Let here from all the Klipsch owners. Likes or dislikes about Klipsch? I update a lot of my equipment in the last few months. I have the RF-83 mains, RC-64 center,RF-82 rears and Infinity SM152 for the back speakers. Veloydne DLS-5000 and a Klipsch KSW-200 for subs. A Sony STR-DA7100ES receiver,Sony 60"SXRD,Sony DVP-NS90V DVD, Sony SLV-676UC VCR,Sony MDP-33 laserdisc,Philips CD770 CD recorder, JVC XV-S65 DVD, JVC TD-W660 cassette, JVC XL-M700 multi cd, JVC AL-F350 turn table, Fisher CAV875 video switcher, JVC HM-DSR100U DVHS dish, Xbox 360, Motorola cable box. My room size is 16x18. Over all I am very happy with the whole system. The Rf-83 turned out to very fine speaker little less in the bass than I would like, but the mid and high are great. The Veloydne fill the gap nicely. I like lot of base in my system. The RC-64 is a kick but center speaker, very large in size but great sound for dialogue. It is the best center I ever heard. The RF-82 are not as refined as the FR-83 but very nice for the price. The DLS-5000 is a bargain for the price you can buy them for. Looks like they range from 600-800 online. Plenty of volume , but it doesn't go as low in frequency as the more expensive subs. In the future I will look at the new Klipsch subs along with SVS,Earthquake, or another Veloydne. Driving all this is the Sony 7100ES that I am totaly happy with. This whole system is incredibly loud. :)

What other receivers have you owned other than sony's?, I really wanted the 7100es, I had a str da30-es before I went to the yamaha.

I like the yamaha, the presence channels gave me an excuse to buy 2 more Klipsch speakers:), but I do miss my sonyES. The main reason I bought the 757 yamaha, was because I got it cheap, and I'm waiting for the new HD formats to come out, and for hdmi to settle on a version. But I would have totally jumped on the 7100 if I could have gotten it cheap.

I want the new surrounds. I have the RS-25's right now, and am waiting to get the $$$ together to upgrade to 4 RS-52's.
Love my Klipsch. Crank and Enjoy! :)

I have the previous generation Reference system. I have RB-75's L/R, RC-7 CC, RS-7 SS and an Earthquake Supernova MKV-15 sub, EQ'd by a Velo SMS-1. I have a Yamaha RXV-4600 receiver and a Sony upscaling 720p/1080i DVD player. My video system is a Sony HS51 pj and a 92" Da-Lite screen. My room is extensively treated for both light control and sound. The entire system looks and sounds incredible together.

Craig

I had a Yamaha RX-V2092 before the Sony it was great receiver too, but only had 3 digital inputs. Had it down to handful of receiver before choosing the Sony. It was hard to make that decision on the receiver. I was looking at Pioneer VSX-74TX,Yamaha RX-V4600,Denon AVR-4306,AVR-3806 and the Sony 7100ES. I bought the Sony due to the weight of the unit. The old Yamaha was rate at 5x100 watts and weighted in at 45 lbs. All but the Sony weighted less and all new receivers had 7x120 or more on the wattage. The amplifier in the unit meant allot and the Sony delivers there. Also has has good surround modes.

How do you like your earthquake Suppernova MKV-15?

When I first got it, I was somewhat disappointed. It didn't have as much LF extension as I had hoped it would. Turns out the problem was not the sub, but instead it was my room. Adding the Velo SMS-1 tamed a *huge* peak from 30 to 50 Hz. This allowed me to raise the overall level of the sub, bringing the really low stuff up in the process. Now that it's properly EQ'd, my EQ sub is a thunderous beast of a sub. I love it. It will be the *last* piece of equipment on my upgrade list.

Craig

I originally had a Pioneer 1014 with Athena F1s, B1s, C1 and P400(got it all for under 500 bucks at BB)...I found a pair of KLF30s with boxes, original packing materials, and in mint shape for 400 bucks on craigslist, so the Athena set up went to my gf. I just got a 16-46PC+ for my new sub. Still using the 1014, working ona deal to buy a pair of KSP-s6s, and watching over a c7 on ebay to complete the setup.

I'm a big fan of the Synergy III series. I haven't tried the Reference Series yet though, but I have auditioned the THX series and I love what I hear.


Going to college next year, I am seriously considering picking up a pair of B2's or something similar. Though I know when I graduate and get a job, my goal will be a HT based on the Reference Series...


...a kid can dream yes?

There got have more Klipsch owners here.

I am considering the Klipsch Ref. CDT-5800-C (http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=939&dmore=True&rmore=False) to use as an in-ceiling rear surround speaker, mated to a set of RB-75's, RC-7, and RS-7's. Does anyone know if these will be a good tonal match for the rest of my Ref. speakers? They are a rotating, swiveling design that allows for directionality control. They will be mounted about 10 ft. behind the LP. Is this too far back for the amount of tilt/swivel that they are capable of?

Also, I will be mounting them in an acoustic tile ceiling. I think I should enclose them in such an installation, (otherwise the back wave would interfere with the front wave as it wouldn't be blocked by the acoustic tile, at least at low and low-midrange frequencies). Klipsch makes an enclosure (http://www.klipsch.com/newscenter/photocaption.aspx?id=2044), but it looks to be just a steel box with some insulation. I think they want $100 for one. Has anyone used these enclosures, and are they worth the money?

Thanks,

Craig

My home theater consists of K-horn's ;) in front with LaScala's in the rear. Center is a KLF-C7, sub is an SVS PB12 plus/2. Run them through McIntosh amps :) .

I am thinking about going 6.1 with CDT 5650's inceiling all the way around.
Wife doesn't want floors and I don't want bose.
Ceiling will be about 8'4'' high. and I will be using an electric screen.

Are the CDT's a good call?
I am using the Yamaha 659 receiver.
T

I started with the ProMedia 2.1's for the PC a few years back and when I moved into my new home in December I quickly replaced "thOSE" speakers with RB-10's, an RC-10, an RW-8 and a pair of CDT-5650-C's in the ceiling for rear surrounds. I wanted the RS-10's but the boss said no way (new house you know). I have a small family room which is open to the kitchen and I had concerns with any choice in rear surrounds. I must say I couldn't be happier with the 5650's! I realize the ceiling placement and room layout is not optimal for true Home Theater but it most definitely works for me. I've watched the King Kong DVD over and over till my eyes bleed and it never sounds less than amazing. I had the in-laws down for a visit over the holiday and I watched both ma and pa jump more than once when we watched Kong crash through the jungles of Skull Island.

I'm a solid Klipsch fan and am now considering Klipsch in-walls for my living room HT. The room has been pre-wired for speakers and, once again, the boss says in-walls or nothing at all. I think the Klipsch line will once again surprise me as the living room setup has a high, open ceiling. The installer ran the pre-wire much too high on the front and back walls for my taste (when it was done we were thinking of selling so I didn't bother having them lowered...my bad). The back surrounds will be directly above the couch. So, as usual, my less than optimal settings dictate that I go away from the norm in speaker selection. I'm thinking about the R-5650-W and the R-5650-S as they include the pivoting horn like the CDT's.

TDubbs and craig john...if you guys are looking for approval on those in-ceilings, then you have my blessing! I think my system sounds great all the way around!!

I was also sold on the ProMedia's. Then came around to trying the synergy, then reference RF-35 Home Theater Setup (which I currently own). Just yesterday ordered the promedia 2.0 ultra speakers for work/office. Klipsch makes an excellent product. I haven't been disappointed yet!

Within the year I plan on buying a house and will use Klipsch exclusively throughout. I just love the sound.

I originally bought JBLs for my home theater. I did this because of the trade off between price and sound. Once I got them home I was 100% dissatisfied. Three days later I packed them up and traded them for the Klipsch 35's...when I got them home and set up, I felt as if the prodigal son had returned home <smile>. They sound incredible and they live right where they were meant to. I am amazed when I see people say that Klipsch sound tinny or harsh. It has the most incredible mid ranges I have ever heard, and with a slight adjustment to the treble, high range is remarkable. I have in fact joined the church of Klipsch. love em love em love em.
also...I got my toshiba hd-dvd set up last night. NOT ONE SINGLE PROBLEM. I watched apollo 13 and Last Samurai...only one word...PRICELESS.. and I have a 220 inch screen. It far exceeds any of my expectations.

I have been a proud owner of Klipsch la Scala's for many years. Last year I added a pair og Heresy II for the side surrounds and use the klipsch WDST for the rear side and back. My center is custom built utilizing all Klispch drivers, Two KV1089 10" woofers, K52 midrange horn and a K77 horn tweeter. Subs are my weakest link but you would be hard pressed to tell. My La Scala's have ALK crossovers in them as well. I have had more compliments on the sound of my system over the years.

I LOVE MY KLIPSCH!!!

I just updated my RF/RC-7 HT system to an RF-83 RC-64 system, you can read my review here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682529

In short, I'm thrilled with them.

I am thinking about going 6.1 with CDT 5650's inceiling all the way around.
Wife doesn't want floors and I don't want bose.
Ceiling will be about 8'4'' high. and I will be using an electric screen.

Are the CDT's a good call?
I am using the Yamaha 659 receiver.
T

Can you use in-walls instead of in-ceilings, at least for the fronts? You'll get better imaging with in-walls.

Craig

My first Klipschs were a pair of KG4's I bought in college in 1990. In grad schoool in the 90's, I gradually built a HT around those finally culminating with a KV2 center, KSW12 sub, KSB2 surrounds, powered by an Onkyo TX-DS777 5.1 THX receiver. This system served me well for many years. Last year I finally replaced all the speakers with RF15 mains, RC25 center, RS25 surrounds and an Outlaw LFM-1 sub. I'm very happy with the 'little' Reference series speakers; they have the open and dynamic Klipsch sound, and although a little bit bass-shy, it isn't an issue with the Outlaw backing them up :). I recently had another bout of upgraditis (v7.1) and picked up a HK635 AVR on closeout and pair of RB15s for back surrounds. Just hooked up the 635 last night and will mount the RB15's tonight, so no opinion on the new set-up yet.

After several other HT's and lots of auditioning my dedicated room is filled with RVX42 L/C/R, RSX5 rear, and Sunfire True sub. The electronics and plasma are all Pioneer Elite. It is perfect in the den. Would definitely have gone for larger floor standing speakers but the room wouldn't accomodate them. Love the sytem. Absolutely no regrets. OK, I wish the center could rest on top of the cabinet but it's an aesthetic no-no.

Next up is a new 2 channel in the LR to replace the Ipod/ Klipsch iFi. Too bad Klipsch doesn't make a compact floor standing speaker around 35" high. Any other ideas for a compact floor stander from the Klipsch afficionado's?

What originally sold me on Klipsh reminded me of a pair of JBL bookshelf speakers I had bought (actually my first decent pair of speakers). They had titanium tweeters and had such clear, precise sound (highs in particular). I went through a couple more sets inbetween but none have never matched those relatively inexpensive pair of bookshelfs. It wasn't until I heard Klipsh that I was brought back to that sound. The liveliness, the clarity. After listening to them now, the majority of the speakers I hear sound dull/lifeless and boring. I'm sold!

Too bad Klipsch doesn't make a compact floor standing speaker around 35" high.

:confused: That's exactly how I would describe my RF15's. The RF10's are even smaller:

DIMENSIONS:
34" H x 6.8" W (w/o feet) x 10" D

If by 'compact' you mean a thin speaker like your RVX's, then yeah, you're out of luck. That thin form factor which looks great wall mounted comes with sonic sacrifices with respect to the horn depth and cabinet volume, which is why all the the Klipsch floor standers are traditional 'big' boxes.

I first grabbed the promedia 2.1 speakers that klipsch makes. I was absolutely amazed by these things. I am still using them. Since then I have picked up a set of RF-35's, and I will piece together the rest of my system. I am looking for a subwoofer as my next purchase, and may go with the SUB-12.

When I moved into my current place my old HT didn't quite cut it so I had to upgrade. Was on a tight budget but managed to find some used RF-3s, a used RC-3, the last open box Pioneer 1014TX in town, and a scratch and dent Outlaw LFM-1(10/10 condition). I bought the Klipsch sight unheard and was a afraid they'd be too harsh but as soon as I hooked everything up I fell in love. Simply the best money I've ever spent on audio. They get loud with little power and I would run them that way but the neighbors complain if I go above -25 on the receiver. :( Room is 40x17x10, speakers are amazing, I just wish I had another sub.

Another Klipsch lover here. Dealer too...just for disclosure purposes ;)

We have a dedicated demo theater going in and are trying to decide whether to go with a 9.1 Ultra 2 setup or the Klipsch Pro Cinema speakers (it is a big demo theater!). Sub is a Danley Labs DTS-20 which saved $$ over the 8 Ultra 2 subs we were going to use :eek: . I also have a few smaller Ref systems set up, a Cinema 10 package (which I sell with the Hsu VTF-3) that is KILLER for the $$!) and am debating what Heritage setup to display. Bought, sold and owned Heresy's, Corns, LaScalas and K-Horns over the years along with many Ref series speaks. Klipsch is fun! :D

Too bad Klipsch doesn't make a compact floor standing speaker around 35" high. Any other ideas for a compact floor stander from the Klipsch afficionado's?

They do...two in fact. The RF-52's run 37" tall and the RF-10's run 34" tall. Both are legitimate Klipsch products. PM me if you need more info.

My Klipsch Home Theater...Front View

RF-7's, RC-7 and 4-RS-7s along with an SVS PB2+. Lovin it....Pioneer Elite VSX-49TXi driving them all.

I run a pair of F2 Synergys and a C3 Synergy center running off a Pioneer Elite VSX-72 and am very happy with my setup but will be adding a sub later on.

Anyone have experience making a center channel with Klipsch components? I'm wondering if, instead of paying 400 for a C7 to match my KLF30s, I might buy the horns and either 2 10" or 12" drivers from the KLF line, and make one.

I think I'm giong to a projector set up, so I'l lhave plenty of room under the screen for a big center...so let's say I got a KLF-10 for parts...I'm guessing just setting it on its side wouldn't be optimal since the high freqs would be offset to one side. I guess I would do a driver on the left, then stack the two horns in the middle, then a driver on the right? I'm also guessing a 3 way center would be preferable to the 2 way C7?

I currently use RF-35's in the front with an RC-35 center, and RS-25 for surrounds. I have a 12" DIY Stryke Audio av-12 for bass. Currently have an HK-635 but will be comparing against a Pioneer Elite 56txi I picked up.

I have had all the JBL S,N, and E series-great value, but not Klipsch Reference.

Anyone have experience making a center channel with Klipsch components? I'm wondering if, instead of paying 400 for a C7 to match my KLF30s, I might buy the horns and either 2 10" or 12" drivers from the KLF line, and make one.

I think I'm giong to a projector set up, so I'l lhave plenty of room under the screen for a big center...so let's say I got a KLF-10 for parts...I'm guessing just setting it on its side wouldn't be optimal since the high freqs would be offset to one side. I guess I would do a driver on the left, then stack the two horns in the middle, then a driver on the right? I'm also guessing a 3 way center would be preferable to the 2 way C7?


Capa,

I built my center utilizing all klipsch drivers. 2-10" KV1089 woofers, K52 midrange from a KLF30, and a alnico T35 horn tweeter. It timbre matches very nicely with my La Scala's and the bottom end does a good job of keeping up with the La Scala bass.

If you can find a KLF20 or 30 then you could use the cabinet and just change out the front motorboard so you have a horizontal center. Check ebay daily and you will come actoss some. You may have to buy a pair but see if anyone is willing to buy the other one from you or you could build 2 centers and then sell one. Check out my center channel construction page and see if its any help to you.

http://www.geocities.com/scooterb4u/Custom_Center.html

My home theater consists of K-horn's ;) in front with LaScala's in the rear. Center is a KLF-C7, sub is an SVS PB12 plus/2. Run them through McIntosh amps :) .Holy Smokes ... :eek:

In the wrong hands that could be used as a weapon of mass destruction.

Indeed. But they can be so sweet!

I like Klipsch speakers and have owned several models. Currently my setup included Khorns for LR, KG4.4 for center and rear LR with a recent purchase of RS300 as my LR for my 7.1 system. I have a KSW12 as my sub. I power with a Marantz sr9300. My analog system is a michell gyro SE with Van den hul frog cartridge and michell tonearm. I have a Marantz dv8400 and Marantz vp12s2 as a projector. I love the Khorns as my 2 channel when listening to my vinyl. Sweet! One thing however, you need the right room for the khorns to be most effective. My last home, they sounded terrible because of a narrow room
My 7.1 system using the above mentioned system is just outstanding and really brings any movie to life. Some say the horns are too bright but I find them perfect for me. The only speakers that compare IMHO are 3 to 4 times more expensive (such as B&W nautilus series). I listen to music every night (2 or 3 albums) and never get tired of the sound. With a great analog system, I hear every thing from the smallest bell to the thunderous drums with a sound stage that brings the concert home. I am sold on Klipsch.

I like the Klipsch for HT, but not so much for music. That horn crushes me! The RF 7's are sweet speakers, as are the K-horns, but having a properly designed room for the K-horns is a little ridiculous to me.

RF-7s up front, RS-3IIs sides, RF-3IIs back, RC-3II center ... looking for a good local deal on the RC-7 ... yamaha rx-v1400 ... RMX1450 powers the RF7s ... two SVS PC+ 16-46 ... X1 modded with screenplay firmware ... RB-3s in the bedroom

Oh I just gotta blow my horn, if you haven't clicked on my link, my items are

6 RF-7's, mains, rears & surround back channels
RC-7 center channel
RF3ii's are pulling duty for my dual surrounds located above my rf-7 surrounds
RB10's for my presence channels
Dual SVS PC-ULTRA's EQ'd with the velodyne sms-1
All channels are driven with Kenwood km-208 amplifiers (pics not up yet)
APC J-15 power conditioner with battery backup
92" tensioned electric draper projection screen
panasonic pt-ae700u projector
yamaha rxv-757 - until HDMI & HDaudio are firmly established
Buttkicker amp & LFE shakers

Wish list is room treatments, wicked amp & for HDaudio to arrive and be worth paying for!

I auditioned speakers for about a year until a decided to go with the klipsch. In the price range i was looking for the best bang for the buck and best sounding were the klipsch. I paired them with a Pioneer receiver and they sound great for movies and ok for music but that has to do more with my subwoofer that needs replacement soon.

Sony 34XS955
Panasonic DVD-S35
Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD
Pioneer VSX-D912
RC-25
RF-15's
RB-10's
KSW-10

Anyone have RT-10D subwoofer? Thoughts?

My Klipsh system consists of RF82's mains, RS62's surounds, RC35 Center, SVS PB2/Plus 2 900watt Subwoofer, which are connected to my Denon AVR-3805 Receiver, and Outlaw 770 Power Amplifier "200watts per chanel, 7 chanels", for my space "Townhouse" this system makes my walls and floor shake, I also use a Klipsch Synergy II Quintet II and a Klipsch KSW 10 Sub hooked into a Onkyo TX DS595 Reciever for my bedroom setup, you can tell I am a Klipsch kind of guy, I just love the Klipsch sound.

Oh I just gotta blow my horn, if you haven't clicked on my link, my items are

6 RF-7's, mains, rears & surround back channels
RC-7 center channel
RF3ii's are pulling duty for my dual surrounds located above my rf-7 surrounds
RB10's for my presence channels
Dual SVS PC-ULTRA's EQ'd with the velodyne sms-1
All channels are driven with Kenwood km-208 amplifiers (pics not up yet)
APC J-15 power conditioner with battery backup
92" tensioned electric draper projection screen
panasonic pt-ae700u projector
yamaha rxv-757 - until HDMI & HDaudio are firmly established
Buttkicker amp & LFE shakers

Wish list is room treatments, wicked amp & for HDaudio to arrive and be worth paying for!

Good god man if your not deaf you must just be nuts (6 RF-7's) Thats gotta be just plain insane if you wont to get loud.

I just replaced a full Polk set up with a pair of RF-35's, a RC-35 center, RS-35's surrounds, & RB-35's surround rears & couldn't be happier. Im powering everything off three Crown amps. A 602 running my fronts, another 602 running my center & IB, & a 402 powering my surrounds. And at the moment just a single RB-35 running off my receiver for the rear center.

Sound System for our small Library HT

Denon 4802R THX Ultra II AVR=>RF-7's/RC-7 up Front with RF-3's (A)/RS-7's (B) Surrounds with RB-75's in the rear. RSW-12 front sub/RSW-15 rear sub.

Sound System for the Bedroom HT

Denon AVR 3805=> RB-75's/RC-7 up Front with RS-3's & Phase Tech 10 sub in a 5.1 configuration.

FWIW, I highly recommend upper end Denons with Klipsch Speakers :) . Being able to have 2 sets of side surround speakers means having tremendous options when it comes to Movies Vs. Music. :cool:

Sound System for our small Library HT


FWIW, I highly recommend upper end Denons with Klipsch Speakers :) . Being able to have 2 sets of side surround speakers means having tremendous options when it comes to Movies Vs. Music. :cool:

Yes I too really like this option. I use two sets of side surrounds plus two more on the back wall.

The Grand Carriage Cinema
http://www.geocities.com/scooterb4u/ScootersHT.html

Granted, i only used a Denon 2805, but I wasn't that imressed with the receiver and the Ref 35's with it in particuliar. Does the Denon 4000 series have an improved sound? The Denon seemed to sound rather flat in my room.

Granted, i only used a Denon 2805, but I wasn't that imressed with the receiver and the Ref 35's with it in particuliar. Does the Denon 4000 series have an improved sound? The Denon seemed to sound rather flat in my room.

I have no experience with the 2805 but the AVR-3805 that I have with my Bedroom setup (listed above) is phenomenal and in no way could be described as flat. I have the Denon AVR 3803 driving a Klipsch Legend 5.1 system (KLF-20's/C-/RS-3/KSW-15 sub) in a 1200 sq ft workout room with a drop ceiling and it is more than able to drive that HT without sounding bright (which would be the problem with under-power, imo) much less flat.

I have never heard the RF-35 system described as flat but I feel the 3806(?) (or better yet a used AVR 3803 to 3805 being the best bang for your buck) would be the AVR to go with; IMO, the 4806 would be overkill.

FWIW, I listened to the RF-35 series and thought they sounded good, but I feel the RF-7's/RB-75's/RC-7 a considerable step above. They may be able to be found discounted since they are discontinued, but I wouldn't really count on it. My 2 cents. :)
{edit: I didn't mean to sound like I was ditsing the RF-35 system, which btw are great speakers at that price point. I also think people should stay in budget--sometimes I get overly excited by my HT's :cool: }

Sony KDP-51WS550 HDTV
Yamaha HTR-5660 AV Receiver
Mitsubishi DD-6040 DVD
Klipsch RF-82 Main
Klipsch RC-62 Center
klipsch RB-61 Back
Working on the sub...

Promedia 4.2 THX in the office.

I've been very happy with mine!

F-3's for L/R
C-3 for CTR
Sub12
S-2's for surrounds

My rears are JBL's from the "boneyard" right now, but I'll have these changed out soon.

I'm driving these with the Yamaha HTR-5990 currently. This combo has worked very well for me.

Greg

I have no experience with the 2805 but the AVR-3805 that I have with my Bedroom setup (listed above) is phenomenal and in no way could be described as flat. I have the Denon AVR 3803 driving a Klipsch Legend 5.1 system (KLF-20's/C-/RS-3/KSW-15 sub) in a 1200 sq ft workout room with a drop ceiling and it is more than able to drive that HT without sounding bright (which would be the problem with under-power, imo) much less flat.

I have never heard the RF-35 system described as flat but I feel the 3806(?) (or better yet a used AVR 3803 to 3805 being the best bang for your buck) would be the AVR to go with; IMO, the 4806 would be overkill.

FWIW, I listened to the RF-35 series and thought they sounded good, but I feel the RF-7's/RB-75's/RC-7 a considerable step above. They may be able to be found discounted since they are discontinued, but I wouldn't really count on it. My 2 cents. :)
{edit: I didn't mean to sound like I was ditsing the RF-35 system, which btw are great speakers at that price point. I also think people should stay in budget--sometimes I get overly excited by my HT's :cool: }


No, I meant the Denon 2805/RF-35 series was not quite what I was looking for. I then tried an HK 635 and now have a Pio 56txi. The 56txi is a great fit. I just can't do the R-7 series due to their size-WAF. Once the basement is finished off then that is a different story. I had a chance to get a RC-7 for $350 and it was tempting. I am happy with the speakers though. I have a friend with the R-7 series so I get my fill...

Seems like the Denon/Klipsch combo works well for others as well...

My System

Denon 3803
Klipsch KSF 8.5 Synergy Tower
Klipsch KSF C5 Center
Klipsch KSF S5 Surrounds
Klipsch KSW-10

Decent sound. Looking to upgrade to reference line and bigger Denon in a year or so with a dedicated theater.

SF

Although I run my La Scala's with a big Onkyo dual mono block amp I do like my denon. The denon's amp section is used to run my center and surrounds and does so very well. As noted above a lot of Klipsch users also run with Denon, must be a reason for it.

Denon AVR 3801 Digital AV Reciever
Onkyo M504 Dual Mono Block Power Amp
Technics DVD A10 DVD Audio/Video Player
Pioneer DVL-909 Laserdisc/DVD Player
RCA HS10 HD Digital Satellite Reciever
Zinwell Briteview Pro 3000
Mitsubishi HSU-575 Hi Fi VCR
Infocus SP4805 DLP Projector
Draper Luma 106" Diag. 16:9 Screen
Klipsch La Scala's Main Speakers
Klipsch Heresy's Side "A" Surround
Klipsch RSS6 Side "B" Surround
Klipsch SS.5 Back Surround
Klipsch KSW-12 Subwoofer
Custom Built 3 way Center Speaker utilizing all Klipsch Drivers

Although I run my La Scala's with a big Onkyo dual mono block amp I do like my denon. The denon's amp section is used to run my center and surrounds and does so very well. As noted above a lot of Klipsch users also run with Denon, must be a reason for it.

Denon AVR 3801 Digital AV Reciever
Onkyo M504 Dual Mono Block Power Amp
Technics DVD A10 DVD Audio/Video Player
Pioneer DVL-909 Laserdisc/DVD Player
RCA HS10 HD Digital Satellite Reciever
Zinwell Briteview Pro 3000
Mitsubishi HSU-575 Hi Fi VCR
Infocus SP4805 DLP Projector
Draper Luma 106" Diag. 16:9 Screen
Klipsch La Scala's Main Speakers
Klipsch Heresy's Side "A" Surround
Klipsch RSS6 Side "B" Surround
Klipsch SS.5 Back Surround
Klipsch KSW-12 Subwoofer
Custom Built 3 way Center Speaker utilizing all Klipsch Drivers

My question was not whether klipsch owners used denon. There are klipsch owners that will attest to every major manufacturer out there.

What I was wondering is in what model there begins to be some real performance. The 2805 did not cut it for me. But with an improved amp section, DAC's, etc, the 4xxx series might. Or is the 3805/6 truly better?

This is just the same as my trying out the Pioneer 1015 with the same speakers. I did not like it at all. Yet I now have the Elite 56txi which I love. You cannot say that all Denon and Klipsch go together. There are distinct differences throughout all the lines.

I have the following speakers in storage. In the process of moving and can't wait to set it up in the townhouse

Klipsch Pair RF-83
Klipsch Pair KS-525-THX
Klipsch RC-64 (One heavy center)
For back surround Definitive Tech. Pair of BPVX/P
Velodyne DD-12

And Denon AVR-5805 pumping out the wattage to the speakers
Cable is RAM bi-wire (Yes I click the sponsor link to purchase it )

Now all I need to do is find a center stand thats about 2-3.5 feet high to hold that beast (RC-64)

I love the knife edge look of the RF-83

all in black

I was just going to get a JBL sub, but I ended up with a full set of Klipsch. I had a Best Buy friend make me an offer I couldn't refuse! :p I sure don't miss my Bose 301s!
I listen to mostly rock and metal, and they sound great, plus movies have never sounded better. This is definitely just the beginning of an expensive hobby for me!
F3s, F1s, C3, and a SUB12.
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Nice HT BikerTrashXB. I too am a fan of having towers all of the way around. :cool:

FYI, I experimented with several different heights and came to the conclusion I wanted to keep the side surround's tweeters (which are pretty directional) at the same height as my mains (raised 10 inches). I also tilt my center channel and my 2 back speakers towards my ears--Really works for me. :D

Ok I have to chip in....All my speakers are still in the box and I can barely stand it. I have RF7's , RC7, and RS7's. I was staying with a 5.1 but after reading a lot decided to go with a 7.1 I bought some 5800w's for the rear. I hope they do alright.
I got a great deal on a Rotel1098 pre and will go with a RMB1075 (5x120) for the surrounds and a 1080 (2x200) for the fronts. That will break the bank so to speak......Oh my pj and dvd player are also just sitting around. I will say I am now getting ready to pull my wires and cables then drywall will start. If you haven't guessed I am finishing out my basement...:)

I got my first pair of Klipschs maybe 10-12 years ago. Quartets. Low on the Klipsch scale but man did I love those speakers. Made me a Klipsch fan for life....:)

I've converted 3 people already after hearing my demo.

My System

Sony DB930 Receiver
Klipsch KSF 8.5 Synergy Tower
Klipsch KSF C5 Center
Klipsch KSF S5 Surrounds
Klipsch KSW-12

Promedia 2.1 (great when compared to pc speakers of same cost)

If you own a 5.1 system of Klipsch reference towers, you should be very happy. You currently own the best "bang for buck" system in the world under $10K.

I.

If only there was a customer loyalty program.... I'd upgrade to reference today.

I.

I was just going to get a JBL sub, but I ended up with a full set of Klipsch. I had a Best Buy friend make me an offer I couldn't refuse! :p I sure don't miss my Bose 301s!
I listen to mostly rock and metal, and they sound great, plus movies have never sounded better. This is definitely just the beginning of an expensive hobby for me!
F3s, F1s, C3, and a SUB12.
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Bet the sounds monsterous.Your prolly ready to upgrade the TV.One question though.How come you have F-1's for rears?They look weird especially stacked that high onto a old floor.I would have just purchased the S-1.

Okay, another Klipsch in storage poster as I wait to finish the rest of our soon to be family room theater. Wife's making me sell my dirt bike to purchase the rest (plasma and something to drive these Klipschs). So, still in the boxes are.....

RF-82 (Mains)....These are already being replaced with the RB-81's on order. I took one out of the box to place it where I planned and wife said they're too big. So what to do with these now. They'll probably end up upstairs for the main theater after I complete the family room. So the RB-81-s will be the mains in this room.

RC-62(Center)

CDT-5800-C(Rear Surrounds)....I have three of these for 6.1, but still unsure. The main seating position (sofa) is against the back wall about 12' from display. I don't know what I would gain from the rear center channel directly overhead. I thought I could aim the driver and horn against the back wall for rear effect and mount the sides slightly forward of the center??? Thoughts anyone on this one would be appreciated.

Rt-10d....Eagerly awaiting this one. I had a new RSW-10 for this system but sold that to a friend (see below) and ordered the new Rt series sub. Last I spoke to Klipsch rep, they were set to start shipping these earlier this month(not). I will call him tomorrow and see if he could give a better date for those also waiting.

AW-650...for the backyard.

For those interested, I just installed a 5.1 setup with the CDT-5800's and RSW-10 at a friend's house and these things sound really, really good for an in-ceiling system. It was a straight out of the box demo as it was a really late night trying to finish up his install. They are mated to a Denon-3806 that I haven't even been able to properly set up for him yet. All I know is he is extremely happy. I will have to go back there sometime next week and calibrate (he's probably got everything set to large) and will give a better review later.

JG

Remarkably, I have a set of Klipsch in boxes as well... I am replacing my old Altec Lansing towers.

Klipsch RF-83 front
Klipsch RC-64 center
Klipsch RS-62 side
SVS 20-39 PCi subwoofer

Sony 333 ES receiver
Momitsu 880n DVD player
Barco 1208s projector

I hope that the sensitivity of the Klipsch will allow me to avoid the expense of a new receiver... for a while.

Home theater in basement is being constructed this summer - in time for the 2nd White Sox World Series.

Why the F-1s in the rear? Well, I almost bought 4 F-3s! I wanted equal sound all around, and I don't have a wall on 1 side to mount a S-3.
Now, say I wanted to do 7.1, and I have 4 walls. Would I want to do a pair of S-3s in the back and the F-1s on the sides?

I was expecting the F-3s to have more of a "punch". Do I just need more power, or an eq? I currently have a 90x5 receiver, which will most likely be replaced with a Denon. And yes, the TV will grow to at least 60". :D

Pic of the other F-1, and as Zen suggested, I lowered them to just a few inches higher then the fronts.

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Lonster will not been dispointed in the RF-83 or the RC-64. The RC-64 has to be one of the best centers out there.

I just recently set up the Klipsch THX Ultra 2 system in my new dedicated theater. It consists of:

3 of the KL-650THX for front left, center, right, mounted on custom made Sound Anchor stands
4 of the KS-525THX for the side and rear surrounds - wall mounted
2 of the KW-120THX dual subs
1 of the KA-1000THX sub amps

Receiver is the Denon 5805 and source is the Denon 5910ci DVD/CD/DVD-A/SACD player.

I have read many things about these speakers and all was confirmed when I got everything set up and dialed in. AMAZING for both theater and music. In fact, music has never sounded so good in my system, and for comparison sake, I moved to this system from a complete M&K S-150THX set up, powered by Parasound amps and a Lexicon MC-12.

I was watching the new Rush R3 dvd the other night, which has a great remastered DTS track, and Geddy Lee's voice was spot on coming through the center channel. And, the subs absolutely ROCK! We watched War of the Worlds and I literally thought the room was going to collapse.

Overall, I couldn't be happier with the Klipsch THX Ultra 2 system. Absolutely amazing!

Best Buy cut me a killer deal. I have 4 F3s for fronts and rears, 2 S3s for sides, a C3 and a SUB-12. Its powered by a Pioneer Elite 74. I got the whole speaker package for $2500 with tax. The sound is absolutley killer. Couldnt be happier.

Bought at a Good Guys GOOB sale.
Synergy II SF-1's ($150)
Synergy II SC.5 ($75)
Synergy II SS.5's ($95)
Synergy II SB-1's ($125) for later 7.1 install.
Room is 15'x13'

Running through an Onkyo 602 with a DIY 12" Dayton DVC sub @ 19hz.
Panny ae900u w/92" screen
I do need to move to a bigger center. I regularly reach it's limit at the volume level I play at, even with the crossover set pretty high. I've been bidding on SC1's on ebay but haven't won any auctions at my buy point... it's only a matter of time.

My buddies who swear by their Bose Lifestyle and 42" plasmas come over occasionally. Just for a second, imagine their faces when I tell them I don't own a single Monster product, and their speaker cables cost more than my sub that the neighbors can feel... two houses away. They look like Neo when he finds out about the Matrix and that his whole life is a lie... Most of them avoid me at work for at least a few days after, unable to look me in the eye.

It's a tough world... I do what I can.

I have 2 front Klipsch KLF-20

1 klipsch klf c-7 center

2 klipsch forte II floor used as surround

2 klipsch ksp-s6 reserve surround

2 klipsch synergy floor reserve

1 Velodyne 15

receiver-Denon avr-4802

Toshiba 65h81 rear projection hdtv

Denon 2900 dvd audio + video + sacd (which has stopped playing redbook audio wtf!--plays everything else flawlessly)

I have 2 RF35 (front). Waiting for 2 RS35 (no center) so just 4.0 or may be 4.1 in a near future. Working on a Marantz SR5400 + Rotel RB1070. The room is about 20m² and...

Sounds more than GREAT !!!

I'm an Happy Frenchy ;)

I'm thinking of getting either a pair of F2 or F3s. I have a Velodyne DPS12 sub to handle the bass. Which would you guys recommend?

I'm thinking of getting either a pair of F2 or F3s. I have a Velodyne DPS12 sub to handle the bass. Which would you guys recommend?

Get the F-3. Great set of speakers with fantastic sound, imaging, and presence for both music and HT applications.

Get the F-3. Great set of speakers with fantastic sound, imaging, and presence for both music and HT applications.

Thanks. Would you say the F3s are better sounding than Athena F2.2? They have the same size speakers.

I'm thinking of getting either a pair of F2 or F3s. I have a Velodyne DPS12 sub to handle the bass. Which would you guys recommend?

I've heard the F-3's and Athena F2.2's on a number of times and the Athenas are so much better! At least to my ears. The F-3's suffer from the problem all Klipsch's do which is boring/dissapointing mid range. There is absolutely nothing enjoyable about listening to vocals on them.

I've heard the Rf-60 something and Rf-80 something and while the imaging was about as good as anything I've ever heard (absolutely amazing actually) they sounded horrible for vocals. I'd go Athena unless you know you don't mind thin sounding voices. No offense to anybody here. Everybody's different. I just want to save you from buying something you'll only like for a little while. I would guess you'd love the Athena's forever. I think by and large they are more respected on this website with the exception of this thread.

The best buy down here has the f2 and f3's all set up in a little room so. The f3's sound substantially better then the f2's. But for the price BB sells them youre much better getting anything else. Since Klipsch are pretty hard to find on the internet you'd be better off getting the Athena's.

I've heard the F-3's and Athena F2.2's on a number of times and the Athenas are so much better! At least to my ears. The F-3's suffer from the problem all Klipsch's do which is boring/dissapointing mid range. There is absolutely nothing enjoyable about listening to vocals on them.

I've heard the Rf-60 something and Rf-80 something and while the imaging was about as good as anything I've ever heard (absolutely amazing actually) they sounded horrible for vocals. I'd go Athena unless you know you don't mind thin sounding voices. No offense to anybody here. Everybody's different. I just want to save you from buying something you'll only like for a little while. I would guess you'd love the Athena's forever. I think by and large they are more respected on this website with the exception of this thread.

The best buy down here has the f2 and f3's all set up in a little room so. The f3's sound substantially better then the f2's. But for the price BB sells them youre much better getting anything else. Since Klipsch are pretty hard to find on the internet you'd be better off getting the Athena's.


You are entitled to your opinion. However, the Athenas you mention are not in the same league as the Klipsch RF line. They may compete with the Synergy line-not the Reference series.

I would disagree of your assessment in regards to vocals. Maybe your receiver/ amp and room acoustics accounted for your results. Sound is subjective but you can't say "problem all Klipsch's do which is boring/dissapointing mid range. There is absolutely nothing enjoyable about listening to vocals on them. "

Especially when you don't even know the model you listened to...

I find the vocals on my Reference 35 series with a Pio 56txi to sound fantastic-far and away better than the JBL studio series, Paradigm monitor series, Infinity Beta, and Athenas-all of which I auditioned.

Well, my local Best Buy has the F2 not the F3. And I actually like the slim look of the F2. Does the F3 really sound much better?

I've heard the F-3's and Athena F2.2's on a number of times and the Athenas are so much better! At least to my ears. The F-3's suffer from the problem all Klipsch's do which is boring/dissapointing mid range. There is absolutely nothing enjoyable about listening to vocals on them.

I've heard the Rf-60 something and Rf-80 something and while the imaging was about as good as anything I've ever heard (absolutely amazing actually) they sounded horrible for vocals. I'd go Athena unless you know you don't mind thin sounding voices. No offense to anybody here. Everybody's different. I just want to save you from buying something you'll only like for a little while. I would guess you'd love the Athena's forever. I think by and large they are more respected on this website with the exception of this thread.

The best buy down here has the f2 and f3's all set up in a little room so. The f3's sound substantially better then the f2's. But for the price BB sells them youre much better getting anything else. Since Klipsch are pretty hard to find on the internet you'd be better off getting the Athena's.

With all due respect, the Athenas sound and performance falls significantly short of the F-3. One thing to consider when visiting local stores is to pay close attention to how all the speakers are set. For example, almost about every time I go to Best Buy and go by the Klipsch speakers, they invariably have the bass on both the receiver to the speakers and the sub 12 or sub 10 jacked up so high that they severely muffle all mid levels. The only thing you can get out of them is the BOOM-BOOM of a jacked up woofer. It's all about getting the attention of the younger crowd that listen to bass intensive music simply because the speaker has the capability to do so at the expense of overall sound quality. You don't need to do that with these or most any other speakers. The F-3, set at the appropriate level, are fantastic speakers that require very little tweaking at the tone controls and even though they are part of the lower series of the Klipsch line, (Synergy), they will provide significantly better sound than the Athenas.

Now... when it comes to the new Klispch Reference IV line, however, Athena is simply not in the same league. The new improved throat geometry on the horn, drivers, cabinet, bracing, and internal electronics puts the Reference IV speakers in an entirely different performance point. They still have that signature Klipsch dynamic range and openess, but the highs are smoother and more sofisticated, and the mids are very well balanced. The Reference IV equivalent of the F-3 is the RF-82... a middle of the road floorstanding speaker in the line... The RF-83 and RF-63 provide better overall sound and performance at a significantly higher cost. But the RF-82 has been called by several audio sound professionals the best speaker in it's price range. There are other comparable speakers in the market by other manufacturers, but you are going to be paying several thousand dollars more to get the type of performance that the RF-82 delivers. The Reference line is a little harder to get than the Synergy series. The Reference line is only sold through authorized dealers, and Klipsch does have a very strict policy about authorized dealerships for their Reference line and THX Ultras.

Well, my local Best Buy has the F2 not the F3. And I actually like the slim look of the F2. Does the F3 really sound much better?

I'm hoping someone can answer this question. :)

Only you can really judge that. However, I would get the pair you can afford.

I'm hoping someone can answer this question. :)


There is a noticeable difference. The F-3 has better extension at the lower end, and the mids are better. But a lot will depend on your intended set-up and application. If your application is mainly music without the benefit of a sub, the F-3 would be a better choice IMO. If your application does include a sub, the F-2 is a very good choice. However, the F-3 still would produce better mids, and would allow you to roll the crossover on your sub at a lower threshold. My advise would be to stop by a local dealer, set the tones at a reasonable level and audition them. Sound quality is a very subjective criteria depending on each individual's taste. You may not necessarily like what another listener considers good quality or tone in a speaker.

I have a pair of Klipsch Epic CF3's. Not too many people have heard these but they are tremendous speakers. They are 100dB efficient and yet can handle 250 watts continous with 1000 watt peaks and can hit like a concert monitor when really cranked. They are powered by a Rotel RB991 which is 200 watts per channel and mates quite well with them. They also do quite well with my recent purchase of the latest sonic T amp. For center duty I use the KLF C-7 which is also a great speaker from Klipsch. I use to have Audio Physic speakers before these but there is no comparison. These will stay with me for quite a while.

I'm hoping someone can answer this question. :)

I compared the F2 and F3 side by side with my brother and we both agreed that the F3 was more dynamic, had a larger soundstage, and had greater bass extension. Taking my bias against Klipsch out of the picture, I think you'll be happy with either (until you hear something better of course :) ), but the F3 is a much better performer.

I would look on-line for the Reference line. I currently have RF-35's, RC-35, and a pr. of RS-25's. I paid $1400 shipped. I just won an auction for a RC-7 for $275. This is less than what I paid for the RC-35. There are some deals to be had. Course now i need to get rid of the RC-35!

You may not be happy with the Synergy line when the Reference line can be had for almost what BB charges for the synergy line...

I would look on-line for the Reference line. I currently have RF-35's, RC-35, and a pr. of RS-25's. I paid $1400 shipped. I just won an auction for a RC-7 for $275. This is less than what I paid for the RC-35. There are some deals to be had. Course now i need to get rid of the RC-35!

You may not be happy with the Synergy line when the Reference line can be had for almost what BB charges for the synergy line...

Amen :)

You may not be happy with the Synergy line when the Reference line can be had for almost what BB charges for the synergy line...
Unless you know someone that works there... 65% off retail. :eek: :p :D :cool:

Unless you know someone that works there... 65% off retail. :eek: :p :D :cool:

If you can get them at 65% off, you are getting a pretty good deal. See if you can get the Sub 12 to match them. Very good combination.

That would be a nice deal at 65% off for sure. I just was able to upgrade from an RC-35 to an RC-7. 10 weeks ago I paid $280 for a new RC-35. I was able to pick up a demo RC-7 for $295 shipped with a little careful shopping.

That is what I mean, under $300 for a flagship center is hard to beat. The ref line is selling very cheaply-the old version. I have had a hard time selling my RC-35 for a reasonable price though.

Compare both lines if you are able.

I would like to know if the RC-64 sounds significantly better than the RC-7. I have the RC-7 and love this speaker. However, I need another center channel sicne I have a media room (projection screen with TV off to the side. I have a center channel (RC-7) under the projection screen and synergy series center channel under the TV and I switch the center channels depending on if I am watching the TV or projector.

The synergy series center just doesn't keep up with the rest of my speakers (RF-7, RS-7s) so the plan is to move the RC-7 under the TV and either 1) get another RC-7 for under the screen or 2) get a new RC-64 for under the screen.

I have 2 subwoofers (one directly under where the new speaker will go at the front of the room). Will the RC-64 outperform the RC-7 ? How do they compare ? What is the difference between the two in term of sonic signature and audio output? I use a 40hz cut-off for the RC-7 and it looks like I will need to go to 60 hz with the RC-64. Will I loose some of the punch that the 8" woofers of the RC-7 provided or not? What are the pros and cons fo RC-7 vs. RC64? I can't find any professional reviews that compare the old and new Klipsch reference series speakers. What's up with that? Also, they were new this year and I don't see any awards for best new product. Is the new RC-64 speaker with (4) 6.5" woofers really better or just cheaper to manufacture than the old Klipsch reference RC-7 with (2) 8 inch woofers????????????


and a lot or a little?

Ten months and one move (to new house) after Hurricane Katrina, I finally got my system (mostly) set up again about two weeks ago.

The system consists of two RF5's (mains), one RC7 (center), two RB75's (surrounds), and two RB75's (rears). Supplemented by a pair of SVS 2039PC+ subs. All driven by a Pioneer VSX-49TXi.

It sounds great in the new house, and it feels great to have it all set up again. :D :D :D

Ten months and one move (to new house) after Hurricane Katrina, I finally got my system (mostly) set up again about two weeks ago.

The system consists of two RF5's (mains), one RC7 (center), two RB75's (surrounds), and two RB75's (rears). Supplemented by a pair of SVS 2039PC+ subs. All driven by a Pioneer VSX-49TXi.

It sounds great in the new house, and it feels great to have it all set up again. :D :D :D

Congrats, man.... I feel for you, and hope everything is getting back to normal.

I would like to know if the RC-64 sounds significantly better than the RC-7. I have the RC-7 and love this speaker. However, I need another center channel sicne I have a media room (projection screen with TV off to the side. I have a center channel (RC-7) under the projection screen and synergy series center channel under the TV and I switch the center channels depending on if I am watching the TV or projector.

The synergy series center just doesn't keep up with the rest of my speakers (RF-7, RS-7s) so the plan is to move the RC-7 under the TV and either 1) get another RC-7 for under the screen or 2) get a new RC-64 for under the screen.

I have 2 subwoofers (one directly under where the new speaker will go at the front of the room). Will the RC-64 outperform the RC-7 ? How do they compare ? What is the difference between the two in term of sonic signature and audio output? I use a 40hz cut-off for the RC-7 and it looks like I will need to go to 60 hz with the RC-64. Will I loose some of the punch that the 8" woofers of the RC-7 provided or not? What are the pros and cons fo RC-7 vs. RC64? I can't find any professional reviews that compare the old and new Klipsch reference series speakers. What's up with that? Also, they were new this year and I don't see any awards for best new product. Is the new RC-64 speaker with (4) 6.5" woofers really better or just cheaper to manufacture than the old Klipsch reference RC-7 with (2) 8 inch woofers????????????


and a lot or a little?

The newer Reference IV line was just recently released, so I doubt you will find much in the way of review yet. As with the rest in the Reference IV line, the RC-64 have significant improvements incorporated. It shares the same compression driver as the top of the Reference line RF-83 and RF-63. Very, very smooth and more extended highs. The center benefits from improved cabinetry, cross brazing, and internals, including an update crossover. It is deeper and wider than the RC-7, (and fairly heavy too). It's performance is superb. I had the chance to audition it with the RF-83 and RS-62, (among other DVDs, the Eagles "Hell Freezes Over, Chicago, and Monster's Inc, The Incredibles, and others... Music was so transparent and life like that you felt that you were at the front row of the concert. They have done a tremendous job of improving Klipsch's neutral coloration. You get out of these speakers what you put in them... nothing more, nothing less. The improvement with the new compression driver was evident. You still retain that Klipsch signature forward presence, but the highs were smooth and natural. No harshness, even while new.

One thing to consider is that the speaker is large and heavy. But it commands is place as the top of the line center in the Klipsch Reference line... superb.

I look forward to hearing the new upper end Reference line. I am very familuar with the RC-7 and for WolfsBane to say:

"The improvement with the new compression driver was evident. You still retain that Klipsch signature forward presence, but the highs were smooth and natural. No harshness, even while new." has me intrigued. I like the look of the new RC-64 and can't wait to hear with my own ears the improvement of a smaller driver pushing those 4 woofers. :cool:

That being said I have been reading about people picking up RC-7's for under $400. I don't know what the RC-64 is going to sell for but picking up the discontinued model for that price seems like a high quality bang-for-your buck adoption for Randomcreek's current system. :)

I will post pack my impressions when a dealer FINALY sets up a HT with the RC-64 to audition. :mad:

I just purchased a demo RC-7 for $295 shipped. Got it yesterday and what an improvement over the RC-35!

I look forward to hearing the new upper end Reference line. I am very familuar with the RC-7 and for WolfsBane to say:

"The improvement with the new compression driver was evident. You still retain that Klipsch signature forward presence, but the highs were smooth and natural. No harshness, even while new." has me intrigued. I like the look of the new RC-64 and can't wait to hear with my own ears the improvement of a smaller driver pushing those 4 woofers. :cool:

That being said I have been reading about people picking up RC-7's for under $400. I don't know what the RC-64 is going to sell for but picking up the discontinued model for that price seems like a high quality bang-for-your buck adoption for Randomcreek's current system. :)

I will post pack my impressions when a dealer FINALY sets up a HT with the RC-64 to audition. :mad:

The stores up here just received their first batch of the newer Reference IV line about 2-3 weeks ago. The store where I demoed the speakers still didn't have all the systems set up. But their are making their way out now. The thing that I came away with is how big the RC-64 is. Seems that as part of their improvement process, (and this is just speculation), Klipsch has increased the internal volume of most, if not all of it's speakers. The cabinets are deeper for one thing. The new line is creating a buzz among those who have had an opportunity to listen to them. And the new subs are creating quite a stir... they are supposed to be something to behold.

The new models are BIG. The RF83's and 63's in a local dealers showroom looked like monsters beside a pair of 37" tall Monitor Audio floor standers.

The sales guy really bashed the Klipsch and they did sound tizzy on top but I suspect they weren't broken in yet. One thing they did have is the thump and drive Klipsch is famous for. I'd love to hear a broken in pair.

And the RC64 is also huge in person.

The new models are BIG. The RF83's and 63's in a local dealers showroom looked like monsters beside a pair of 37" tall Monitor Audio floor standers.

The sales guy really bashed the Klipsch and they did sound tizzy on top but I suspect they weren't broken in yet. One thing they did have is the thump and drive Klipsch is famous for. I'd love to hear a broken in pair.

And the RC64 is also huge in person.


My guess is that the guy has them improperly set up. I've had the opportunity to listen to the RF-83, RF-63, RF-82, RF-52, RC-64, RC-62, and RB-61. Fantastic sound. Of course, the larger the drivers, the more extention and dynamic range. IMO, they do require considerable break in period. But when I audition the unbroken sets up here, they sound just clear... a tad reserved while unbroken, but clear, and this is only while listening to music. For HT, they where just fine out of the box. After about a couple of weeks, (roughly about 50 hrs or so of use), they openned up to an unbelievable full and rich sound all across. Very smooth at the upper range. I didn't even bother to break out the AVIA DVD until just today. Love the transparent sound out of these things. Again, a very realistic front row sound. And I agree that the RF-82 is the sweet spot in the line. The RF-83 and RF-63 have a greater dynamic range, extention, and are smoother at the upper frequency, but you are paying significantly more for them. The RF-82 is a fantastic value in it's price range.

If you guys could ever hear Klipsch's Heritage speakers! Unfortunately very few dealers carry them, let alone have them in their show rooms. If you do get a chance to hear them there is no going back. They sound that good.

rcarlton: I am familiar with the heritage line and I can see where you are coming from. In 2 channel I agree the sound is incredible. In a large room the LaScalas in a 5.1 or 7.1 configuration with dual Klipsch THX amps would be the optimal Movie or Concert experience imaginable. For $14k to $19k for speakers I can only imagine. :cool:

That being said I can attest that the right set of upper end Reference can sound slightly less incredible, but still be labled sublime, at less than twice the cost or footprint/room reqirement that the larger Heritage line would need.

Insofar as the upper end Reference line is concerned and in my experience, most stores under power them by using AVR's that don't supply adequate power to fill the room. There ends up being good bass response but the horns suffer, imo.

There is a running debate (as some of you know) between familiar names in the AVR business. I prefer the upper end Denons (regardless of year made after 2002) because of their high current designs to power my HT's. I have also heard nothing but favorable response from folks using HK AVR's. :)

RC-7 at a discount is an intriguing proposition. But at one point the only Reference series speaker I had in my system was the RC-7- the rest being Synergy all around - and this worked okay for movies (although I admit it was not very great for music). Now that I have RF-7s and RS's (plus preamp/ separate monoblocks for each channel set-up) it's very nice for both music and movies. It would be nice to improve on the center channel in a way that didn't wack out the overall sound quality (I can't really justify replacing all of my speakers).

If I had the RC-64 in the center position replacing the RC-7, I wonder if I would 1) notice in a bad way the difference between the R-64 in the center and the RF-7s on the ends or 2) just notice that the center was excellent and not necessarily be unhappy with the R/L sound. This might be analogous to having the least adept speakers in the surround positions (as most of us do) and it not really making that much of a difference. Any thoughts?

I may just buy the RC-64 and do my own review comparison of the RC-64 with the RC-7 and of the RC-64 combined with the RF-7s. I already have a switch and wire in place to do the A/B testing. Maybe I can find a dealer that will give 30 day money back and if I'm really unhappy with the RC-64 I can take it back.

[QUOTE=Zen Traveler]rcarlton: I am familiar with the heritage line and I can see where you are coming from. In 2 channel I agree the sound is incredible. In a large room the LaScalas in a 5.1 or 7.1 configuration with dual Klipsch THX amps would be the optimal Movie or Concert experience imaginable. For $14k to $19k for speakers I can only imagine. :cool:

Oh yes Heritage in a 7.1 setup. I run La Scala's as my mains, Heresy's for my "A" side surrounds and then for the back side and rears I run the Klipsch WDST. My center is custom built using all Klipsch drivers (2-KV1089 10" drivers, K52 Mid horn and a T35 High Frequency horn). I have heard many systems in my lifetime and in all honesty I still get goose bumps from my system.

Given that I will say that my buddies RF 7's setup is very nice sounding, not quite up to par of a full heritage system but nothing to be shy about. If I hadn't bought my La Scala's when they were less expensive I would have probably ended up with the reference line.

Pics are of my setup

I will chime in here since I have a Klipsch setup as well. I have Rf-35 mains, and RC-35 center (which sounds a but muffled at times) and RS-35 surrounds currently no sub but I plan on purchasing an SVS PB12-Plus/2. This is all powered by a HK AVR7200 and I absoultly love the sound of the combination.

I am looking to upgrade to the new flagship Reference IV's after I move into my new home which is currently being built and will have a much larger room to fill with the sound. I may also go to a pre/pro setup of maybe just get an amp and use the HK as the processor but I am still undeceided.

I would love to find a good dealer here in So Cal that I could audtion the new line in also it would be nice if they happened to be a dealer for some nice pre/pro equipment as well. Sometimes its no fun being in a small town....

My Klipsch speakers are still in the boxes also. Waiting for the basement to get finished. We will be using:
RF-83 for fronts
RC-64 for center
RS-62 for rears
rsw-15 sub
Adcom GTP-860
Adcom GFA-7805
Denon DVD 5910
Sharp MK-II projector


Heard a set of RF-7's compared to a set of RF-83's at the local shop. We liked the sound of the 83's better. The shop owner was impressed as well. Two more months untill it is all ready to go.

I heard the new RF-83 + RC-64 set up at a local klipsh dealer (Extreme Theaters in Wilmington, DE) last night. I had them disconect the subwoofer. The sound across the front compared to my set up at home was apparently "smoother" or perhaps "less harsh" is a better descriptive term. The effects were crisp and male voices seemed to not be as "raspy" as with the older reference speakers. Having said that- I always liked the RC-7's and thought the ability to produce those deep raspy tones was a plus. What I don't know is which center channel actually produces the the more accurate tonal quality. And not having reviewed them side by side it's impossible to decide which I like better.

Also, at a volume sufficient to fill the room with sound (about the same size as my HT), the new speakers were working like crazy and they must have been moving in and out at least an inch during active music passages. At the same SPL I am certain that my RF-7s and RC-7 would be barely breaking a sweat. Does anyone know if working the drivers like this is a good or bad thing from an acoustical perspective? (i.e. does diving the smaller woofers more actively produce better sound? ) How about from speaker longevity perspective (i.e. will the improvement in quality come with a decrease in lifespan due to the woofers working like crazy all the time?)



Keep in mind they no longer have the old RF-7 / RC-7 around to compare to the new ones which is a bit of a shame since I will need to heard the difference in an A/B comparison before shelling out big bucks to replace the old reference set up I have now.

Also, at a volume to sufficient to presurize the room that was about the same size as my HT, the new speakers were working like crazy and they must have been moving in and out at least an inch during active music passages. At the same SPL I am certain that my RF-7s and RC-7 would be barely breaking a sweat. Does anyone know if working the drivers like this is a good or bad thing from an acoustical perspective? (i.e. does diving the smaller woofers more actively produce better sound? ) How about from speaker longevity perspective (i.e. will the improvement in quality come with a decrease in lifespan due to the woofers working like crazy all the time?)


Keep in mind they no longer have the old RF-7 / RC-7 around to compare to the new ones which is a bit of a shame since I will need to heard the difference in an A/B comparison before shelling out big bucks to replace the old reference set up I have now. RF-&is smooth

The size issue of the low frequency drivers hasn't really been a big issue on their site, though I've seen a few users wish for a center with dual 8" drivers in the new line to complement the older RF-7s. I beleive I saw something from Klipsch indicating that the size of the cabinet is the major issue with the new redesigned Reference IV specs. On the RC-64, they apparently chose to go with 4 6 1/2" woofers rather than 2 8" drivers to keep the overall size of the cabinet down a little, (which considering how big the RC-64 is, is saying something). The smaller drivers on the RF-83 are going to work a little harder to displace equal amount of air as the larger drivers for comparable sound pressure, but at the range of frequencies in which they are operating, (between around 30 hz or so and 23kz), they will be just fine, (and should actually improve the imaging, presence, and sound of the mids). Longetivity should be just fine... the engineering and construction seems to be typical Klipsch... designed and built to be driven, (and I do mean for extended periods of time). With my college kids at home for the summer, my system is on practically 20 hours a day with no strain whatsoever even while the system is performing without the added benefit of a subwoofer.

Ah yes Klipsch love it. Dynamic and powerful! I love the live sound and system really shines for all types of music and movies. Here is what I have:

Home Office - ProMedia 4.2
Media Room - 5 Cornwalls (one is a Vertical model being used as a center channel) + SVS subs. Fronts are powered by a Fisher 500B (the decoding and other speakers are powered by HK510)
Front Projector - 6 Herseys + SVS subs using a Kenwood 8100N digital amp

There are some pictures and full equipement lists on my webpage (some of it is a bit outdated).

Laters,
Jeff

Proud new owners of a pair of RB-81s and a RC-35. Cant wait to plug them in but I wont have them in the proper room or properly setup for another month (house still being built) :(



I could have bought a pair of F7s, I think thats the model for $1300. Man they sounded awesome but the wife wont allow Floor standing speakers in the main room so the RB-81s are the only option. I do have Onix Rocket 850s already for the HT room so F7s didnt come home for me :(

RC-35 center (which sounds a but muffled at times)

yuck :( I hope I cant hear that. Going to test today.

RC-35 center (which sounds a but muffled at times)

yuck :( I hope I cant hear that. Going to test today.

From what I understand about the RC-35 it should match well with your speakers but it's the older discontinued model. You should have gotten a good deal on it.

IMO, if you can get the discontinued RC-7 for under $500 it would be more than worth it (Retailed for $800) given how much material comes out of your center. {edit: although I would stay in budget. If you can find the RB-75's near the price you paid for your RB-81's I would jump on it}

I have not heard the new Reference iV.

Thanks, just about to play a movie to test them out.

I do think I got a good deal considering its a local store that has been in business for 20 years and I get a 5 year warranty on these speaker. ($220 for the RC-35 and and $600 for the RB-81s). No shipping, just FLA sales tax. I usually buy online because of the great deals I find but its nice to know I can still shop local once in awhile to find great deals. Brian the sales guy was awesome we demoed the Klipsch and also some Paridigms. Heck they had some MacIntosh amps powering some monster speakers but I didnt have the $5Gs ;)

Any of you klipsch owners own the KHC-6 ceiling or KHW-5 in-wall speakers and if so have an opinion on them?

I need to add some speakers to my system. I have new RF-7's which I liked because they sounded brighter than the RF-83's to me. So I bought the older models admitidly at a cheaper price. Let me be the first to admit that I am not the shapest knife in the drawer when it comes to any of this stuff. But I love the RB-7s I have had in the library running off my big old MacIntosh 1986 vintage Amp and pre-amp, so I thought I couldn't go to wrong with the older version towers. I can't seem to find a RC-7 as mine came in scratched up and Ultimate couldn't find a replacement. The were also totally out of the RS-7 surrounds.

So I figure there are some real experts here that might help and old man out. What should I do? I can get some surrounds.

I have found a place that will sell me two RS-7 for $550 or the new RS-62 for about $800.

I haven't a clue what to buy for the center channel. I can buy a beat-up floor model RC-7 or buy the new RC-64 everyone seems so high on here.

I am quite worried about mixing a bastard set of speakers again. Been there and bought that t-shirt before.

As a gray haired retiree, I want a great system but like some others, I need to get a good value. I guess that is also why I like the brighter sound. Too many years in combat have taken a toll on the old ears. Huh! What do you think I should buy? Please Help!!!

Quick couple of questions for you guys. I've been readint the threads for a while now and was hoping for some help regarding my setup.
I bought 4 x CDT-5800-C's for rear and sides
2 x RB-61's for my fronts
1 x RC-62 for center
1 x RW-10 for Sub
I am going to be using the Pioneer VSX-84TX for my receiver. This setup will be going into my basement which will have a wall to wall custom cabinetry to hold my Sony 57" and the Front, Sub and Center speakers. The room is such that I had to put the Side speakers up into the ceiling.

The questions I have are:
1. are the 5800's the right way to go with the other speakers?
2. should i get the ME-800 enclosures for the 5800's? Remember this is going into the basement
3. What speaker cable should I go with for this? (looking not to spend a ton on speaker cable but still get decent cable.)

The speaker runs arent that far from the TV I believe the longest run is maybe 20 to 30 feet from the receiver (those being the rears and being in wall)

Any suggestions/feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Ethan Allen] I can't seem to find a RC-7 as mine came in scratched up and Ultimate couldn't find a replacement. The were also totally out of the RS-7 surrounds.

I have found a place that will sell me two RS-7 for $550 or the new RS-62 for about $800.

I haven't a clue what to buy for the center channel. I can buy a beat-up floor model RC-7 or buy the new RC-64 everyone seems so high on here.

I am quite worried about mixing a bastard set of speakers again. Been there and bought that t-shirt before.
QUOTE]

Do you have the room for RF-7's all the way around, if you do you will not be sorry for going this route! I currently use the RC-7 center channel but will eventually replace it with another RF-7 after my old crt tv is replaced with a 1.3 hdmi compliant plasma in a couple years. Until then I'm happy with my other six speakers being RF-7's.

If any of you guys are currently looking for a set of K-horns - the BEST speaker ever made by Klipsch.......... I have a beautifull set that I would consider parting with, PM me anytime I'd love to find a happy home for these.

Quick couple of questions for you guys. I've been readint the threads for a while now and was hoping for some help regarding my setup.
I bought 4 x CDT-5800-C's for rear and sides
2 x RB-61's for my fronts
1 x RC-62 for center
1 x RW-10 for Sub
I am going to be using the Pioneer VSX-84TX for my receiver. This setup will be going into my basement which will have a wall to wall custom cabinetry to hold my Sony 57" and the Front, Sub and Center speakers. The room is such that I had to put the Side speakers up into the ceiling.

The questions I have are:
1. are the 5800's the right way to go with the other speakers?
2. should i get the ME-800 enclosures for the 5800's? Remember this is going into the basement
3. What speaker cable should I go with for this? (looking not to spend a ton on speaker cable but still get decent cable.)

The speaker runs arent that far from the TV I believe the longest run is maybe 20 to 30 feet from the receiver (those being the rears and being in wall)

Any suggestions/feedback would be greatly appreciated.

1. The 5800's are probably the best in-ceiling match in the Klipsch line for your mains. In-ceilings are a compromise at best for these HT-type applications. Nonetheless, with the proper seating location, you can probably make this work. You want the seating to be located well away from the room boundaries, (walls). You do *not* want to be sitting directly underneath the in-ceiling speakers.

The side surrounds should be to the sides, well away from the seating. You can experiment with aiming the tweeters at the LP or aiming them away from the LP, at the side wall for a more diffuse, dipole-like sound field. Dipole side surrounds are designed for the listener to sit in the "null" of the tweeter/midrange. This is what gives them the diffuse sound field they are noted for. Aiming the tweeter at the wall *might* simulate this effect. Try it and see. If not aim them at the LP.

The rear surrounds you want well behind you, separated by a few feet, (according to Dolby's Speaker Layout Recommendations (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout.html)), and aimed at the LP.

2. You should definitely consider the backboxes for these speakers. Without them, the "enclosure" will be drywall and joists. :eek: You'll have drywall resonances, which will make the sound hollow and dull. Also, the sound from the backwave will leak into the upstairs. The backboxes will attenuate both these problems.

3. Parts Express (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=100-021) has good, inexpensive speaker cable.

Craig

Thanks for the info Craig. as far as layout I have a fairly wide room to work with and the rears will be installed behind the LP and speced about 5 to 8 feet apart. the sides I was thinking about putting them even with the rears but I do have room to push them further apart if thats what is recommended. The fun part is going to be getting those enclosures up into the wall since its been drywalled although I can probably have the builders redo those sections for a price.

Also any clue as to who sells the ME-800 online? I havent been able to find a vendor yet.

Actually, I'm waiting to hear back from my dealer about them. I've been asking about them for months, ever since I saw them in a press release. They're up on the new Klipsch website, though, so they should be available very soon. Klipsch Backboxes (http://www.klipsch.com/products/lists/reference-in-ceiling.aspx) (Klipsch re-did the entire website a few days ago after the API acquisition.)

Craig

the sides I was thinking about putting them even with the rears but I do have room to push them further apart if thats what is recommended. The fun part is going to be getting those enclosures up into the wall since its been drywalled although I can probably have the builders redo those sections for a price.

The sides surrounds should be at your*side* or just *slightly* behind you, as in the Dolby layout. If you have the capability to mount them there, that would definitely be best, especially if you want to experiment with aiming them at the side walls.

Too bad the backboxes weren't available before you dywalled. In any event, it'll be worth it to use them.

Craig

I have two KG-4's that I purchased new in college (1987). They sound better today than ever.

I am starting to build out a theater in the space over our garage. I had been planning to get all reference model speakers for the theater (the Ultra is what I want but is likely out of the budget). A dealer said, "why not get another KG-4 for the center and use those. They have the same punch as the Ultra 2".

I don't know if that is accurate but it got me thinking. They do sound really good.

Questions:

1) What do you think about that idea? Pros and Cons..
2) If I should do it, what side and rear speakers should I use that would be closely matched?
3) I I should do it, how should they be mounted. I think that they are too low to stand on the floor. My speakers will be behind a transparent screen. Should I put them on stands or build into a wall space. They have a rear passive port but placing them close to a wall really pops the bass.

Thoughts?

I need to add some speakers to my system. I have new RF-7's which I liked because they sounded brighter than the RF-83's to me. So I bought the older models admitidly at a cheaper price. Let me be the first to admit that I am not the shapest knife in the drawer when it comes to any of this stuff. But I love the RB-7s I have had in the library running off my big old MacIntosh 1986 vintage Amp and pre-amp, so I thought I couldn't go to wrong with the older version towers. I can't seem to find a RC-7 as mine came in scratched up and Ultimate couldn't find a replacement. The were also totally out of the RS-7 surrounds.

So I figure there are some real experts here that might help and old man out. What should I do? I can get some surrounds.

I have found a place that will sell me two RS-7 for $550 or the new RS-62 for about $800.

I haven't a clue what to buy for the center channel. I can buy a beat-up floor model RC-7 or buy the new RC-64 everyone seems so high on here.

I am quite worried about mixing a bastard set of speakers again. Been there and bought that t-shirt before.

As a gray haired retiree, I want a great system but like some others, I need to get a good value. I guess that is also why I like the brighter sound. Too many years in combat have taken a toll on the old ears. Huh! What do you think I should buy? Please Help!!!

audiogon.com ... there is an RC-7 avaiable right now ...

Just ordered all my stuff. I got the Pio Elite Vsx-82txs to drive it all and I cant wait til everything arrives. I ordered the F-3s, C-3, S-3x2, and Sub12X2. I cant wait to see how it all sounds. I know a bunch of you guys highly recommend the Reference line, but I got the whole 7.2 speaker package shipped to my door for $1200, so I have to believe it was worth it. Im sure the Ref series is really great too but I couldnt pass up the deal that was given to me by a BB employee friend of mine.

(Ethan alan) The RC-64 will match fine with the RF-7. I read on a forum that somebody use that combo and it work out well. Think it was post on the Klipsch forum. Hope this helps.

I have had mixed advice on mixing the RC-64 with the RF-7. I am still hoping to find a new Cherry Wood RC-7 somewhere. My local Klipsch dealer stood me up on a six week order with daily promises that it was being shipped. I didn't buy elsewhere when they were available, because I had repeated assurances that my multiple speakers were enroute. Six weeks enroute and they finally told me the only thing they had for sure was the RC-7.

So I bought all the rest somewhere else and waited through weeks of excuses until they finally told me they were sorry, but they had no RC-7.

So now I have a houseful of 13 Klipsch speakers, Cherry Wood 4-RF-7s, Cherry 2 RB-7s, Cherry 2 RF-5s, 4 RS-7s, 1 RC-35, but no Cherry Wood RC-7s. All because I didn't want to go back on my word to the dealer. Unfortuntely the dealer salesman didn't have a like motto!

So if anyone comes across a new in the box RC-7 in Cherry, please let me know where.

I have sent multiple e-mails to Klipsch, but they don't answer their e-mails at customer service. I guess I am too small of a customer? The attitude of these stores toward customers is amazing.

Of course, these are the local "authorized" stores. The online stores have been responsive and good to their word, when I finally went that direction to get what was still available after I realized I was getting "played" by my dealer. I actually wish I had started with them and I am going to lean in that direction in the future.

I made the mistake of thinking I had some leverage if I bought local. I am discovering that the online stores actually care about their ratings. The local store carries no rating system.

I have had mixed advice on mixing the RC-64 with the RF-7. I am still hoping to find a new Cherry Wood RC-7 somewhere. My local Klipsch dealer stood me up on a six week order with daily promises that it was being shipped. I didn't buy elsewhere when they were available, because I had repeated assurances that my multiple speakers were enroute. Six weeks enroute and they finally told me the only thing they had for sure was the RC-7.

...
I made the mistake of thinking I had some leverage if I bought local. I am discovering that the online stores actually care about their ratings. The local store carries no rating system.

I feel your pain. I love my Klipsch speakers but have become disenchanted with the whole retail situation regarding purchasing and auditioning Klipsch speakers. There seems to be a major disconnect between Loyal Customer=><Retailer=><Klipsch Corp.
That being said I would hold out for the RC-7. Mine work seamlessly with my RF-7's and RB-75's in different Ht's. If the RC-64 is better--It can't be by much, imo.

I haven't seen any post on the Klipsch rvx-54 home theater system. Does anyone own one? I just bought one but have to wait to set it up when we move into our new house. Can't wait!

Features
RVX-54 Floorstanders
RVX-42 Center
RSX-4 Surrounds
RW-12d Subwoofer

Powered by a Pioneer VSX-74TXVi receiver.

New member here... Also a happy heritage-line owner. I find Klipsch are a wonderful fit for HT because HT is all about dynamics, and that's what Klipsch is all about: effortless dynamics. Plus, they sound great and pull the disappearing act so easily on stereo content that people swear that the center speaker is working when it isn't.

I currently have the RF-7's and the RC-7 Center Channel, but I need some rear spearkers to fill out my home theater setup. I'm thinking about picking up the RS-7, but I was wondering if anyone had any other recomendations? I wouldn't mind finding a cheaper option, if possible. Any input is appreciated!

Brian

Last week I picked up a pair of KSF 10.5 towers in the rosewood finish for $40 apiece (!). One of the binding posts had snapped off, but a spade still grips it perfectly. I'm currently switching between them and my Polk RT800i's in the bedroom, depending on the mood I'm in.

Last week I picked up a pair of KSF 10.5 towers in the rosewood finish for $40 apiece (!).
Klipsch doesn't have enough of a historic market share in Canada for us to find bargains like that. Good for you!

I currently have the RF-7's and the RC-7 Center Channel, but I need some rear spearkers to fill out my home theater setup. I'm thinking about picking up the RS-7, but I was wondering if anyone had any other recomendations? I wouldn't mind finding a cheaper option, if possible. Any input is appreciated!

Brian

You could ask on the Klipsch forums if you don't get useful replies here. I'd stay as close as possible to the family, perhaps dropping down to (used?) RS-35 or RS-3, or pergaps a bookself rather than a sprayer, Hope this helps a little.

Brian I just bought 4 rs-7s at what I thougth was a pretty good deal. I did it on line and the supplier was great. I also bought 4 rf-7s from the same place. I am having trouble figuring out why i have dealt locally with the same store for all my stuff for so long. It has bought me zero loyalty. The online place is concerned about their online ratings. If only I could rate my local store.

Ethan Allen keep an eye on e-bay, I seen quite a few of those RC-7 on there.

Here's my setup:

RF82 for L and R
RC64 for C
RS52 for surrounds
Earthquake sub for low ends.
Denon 2805 as preamp
Rotel 1075 to drive all 5 channels
Infocus SP5000
I really would like to upgrade my RF82 to 63 to match up my center to mains, but my room is just currently too small for such powerful speakers. Can't wait until I get a bigger room to run a full RF63, RC64, RS62, RB61 and kicking SVS sub driven by Rotel separates.

I must check e-bay five times a day looking for one.

There used to be many new ones there about two weeks ago, but the ones there now are used and some have dented cones.

A used speaker is a difficult thing to buy sight unseen. I am sure there are many good ones, but a picture doesn't quite tell the story. I have thousands of dollars of brand new cherry Klipsch speakers but I am missing the one that is the center of the sound and display. Like a blemish on the nose; it is hard to miss.

I may go for a black and keep looking for the cherry. At least the sound will be right.

I wish I could satisfy myself that a RC-64 would sound not just all right but spectacular with all the RF-7s in the room. I know this is personal taste, but the crossovers are different and the timber is different and I would rather buy the RC-64 for the next room I do.

I really appreciate the help.

I am running 4 RF-7s with an RC-7 center. I am pushing them with an Harman Kardon avr and I love it. I have heard many systems but nothing I have heard personaly can compare to my own setup. Klipsch just blows everything away when it comes to Home Theater. There is a reason every theater across the country uses horns in their theater.

Another Klipsch owner here. RF-5 and four matching in wall's for the family room.

Question though..

Building the home theater and can get the discontinued rf-5 home theater system or the new RF-52 home theatre system.

Can anyone comment on the difference between the two? I love my RF-5's and want a similar sound in the HT

I've been a Klipsch owner since April, I started with 2 RB-75s and an RC-35. I was away from my speakers all summer and forgot how satisfied I was, so I gave in to the upgrade demon. A week ago I replaced my center with an RC-7 and today got my local dealer's last pair of new RF-7s. This is all setup in my bedroom that is only 11 x 14 ft. I really truly could not be happier now, and hope to be a Klipsch owner for many years.

My humble Klipsch setup (compared to all that reference stuff):

Fronts: F-1's
Surround: SB-2's

I got a REL Quake as sub and I'm perfectly happy with that, not gonna change it for a Klipsch. Need/want a Klipsch center though (currently Acoustic Energy).

Looking at current C-1 or older SC-1, any thoughts?

At Last!! I upgraded my speakers to Klipsch. Just got the RC62 center channel, the RF62 will arrive next week. Got a very good deal at local UE.
I have/had polk 6200 sats for the last 5 years, i wanted to go for floor standing and did a lot of reading, went looking for Rti10s, fell in love with RF-62s. i played them side by side like 10 times, with all DVD clippings the store had. WOW, the 62s BLOW!!. Now i am out of cash, will take a while to get the other half - RS-42s..
last night, i replaced my polk center with RC-62.. all i hear is the center.. its dominating...
I plan do drive the entire 5.1 with my existing Denon 1802, i know its old. but should i be concerned?

If the center is dominating it's not properly positioned and/or configured...Oh wait...you haven't got the RF62's yet...I'm sure the center will blend in nicely when you got those floorstanders!

Just upgraded form SVS SB-01, bought the RF-82, RC-64 and the RS-52. The RF-82 arrived yesterday and I must say they are sweat. Much better mid-bass and bass compared to the RB-75's and not as aggressive, the RF-82 seems to be better balanced in the mid-range as well.

Just sold my RB-75's which got me wanting more of the Klipsch sound in the first place. Can not wait for the rC-64 and RS-52 to arrive.

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I plan do drive the entire 5.1 with my existing Denon 1802, i know its old. but should i be concerned?

I wouldn't worry...driving my K-horns with a Denon AVR-3200 (through two McIntosh MC-250's). No problem.

Picked up a pair of Rosewood KSF10.5s mint off craigslist for $40 apiece. Right now they're not in use because I don't have enough amps for all my speakers, but eventually I believe they'll be side surrounds in my bedroom setup.

Anyone have a C7(prefer black) or some KSPS6s for sale?

I wouldn't worry...driving my K-horns with a Denon AVR-3200 (through two McIntosh MC-250's). No problem.

I thought you meant to reassure him?

Got my RC-64 today :) Holy crap what a beast! Looks awesome though, the finish seems to be more exquisite than that of my RF-82.


Im considering selling the RF-82 and use the rest of my budget for RF-83 instead of an extra pb-10 or RS-52.

Currently I have a pair of B&W for rears and frankly I want to prioritize bass and front LCR first... Would definitely be nice to have the 1.25" driver in the left and right channel as well as the center...

What do you guys think? How big is the difference, do they use the same bass driver? Im not willing to spend double the amount for some bass extension since I cross over at 80hz and the RF-82 goes well below one octave of my xo.

So I guess the 1.25" titanium driver is the biggest difference, but in the RF-83 its crossed at 1600hz as opposed to 2000hz of the RF-82 so it has a wider frequency range to work even though its slightly bigger. Decisions decisions

There is a big difference in sound between the RF-82 and RF-83. The RF-83 is a more refined sound. I have both and had them side by side for while listing to different music and movies. I bought the RF-83 before I bought the RF-82. The RF-82 was purchased for rear speakers, but I did a compare the two to see if the price difference was worth it. It is. No contest between the two.

A question on another thread:

Aside from the price difference, how does Heresy II compare to the RB81 in listening tests?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8482792&&#post8482792

Anyone want to answer that one? I haven't heard the RB81...

My history with Klipsch started when my best friend had a pair of KG .5 bookshelf speakers along with a dual 8" passive Klipsch sub at least 10 years ago.

That prompted me to go with a Klipsch center channel when I got a Dolby Pro-Logic system a couple years later.

4 years ago I visited a friend's house who said I needed to hear his speakers. They were RF-7s, in Maple finish I believe. We listened to so many CDs and concert DVDs that night I can't even remember all of them. I was blown away by the clarity of every instrument and voice that I heard.

I decided to buy a pair of RF-25s a little over a year ago. I found a pair that were NIB on eBay for $360+shipping. Enjoyed them for 6 months when I found a pair of RF-7s on craigslist for $1000 that were only 1 year old. I ended up making $100 when I re-sold the RF-25s on eBay. I sold my old Klipsch KV1 center channel and also 2 pairs of Definitive Technology satellite speakers to pay for the difference for the RF-7s.

I decided I needed to buy some equipment that was better matched to the RF-7s so within the past few months I bought a harman/kardon HK3480 2 channel amp, harman/kardon DVD-31 DVD-A player and a Cambridge Audio D300se CD player.

Within the past week I also installed 2" acoustic wedge tiles to treat first reflection points and also made some corner bass absorbers that helped smooth out the boomy bass in my basement and now everything sounds incredible!

http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/storage/7/793049/100_0859%20(Medium).jpg

Could somebody tell me, why RF-52 is 34Hz-23kHz +/-3dB but RF-62 is 38Hz-23kHz +/-3dB ?

So the RF-52 has better bass with smaller box/drivers, or it's just typo on their web page?

How much are they worth KG4.5 (front), KV 1 (centre) and KG 1.5 (surround)? I intend to sell this classics as i'll be getting new speakers. or should i just keep them?

Have you ever thought about putting 4.5's all the way around, my buddy just did 6.1 with 5.5's all the way around (center channel is also a 5.5) and it is amazing! Sounds incredible and he did it all for a song compared to buying new speakers. You'd only have to buy 4 more speakers to do 6.1, assuming you have room or a need to do something like that. Matching speakers rock for home theater, actually if you could hear towers all the way around you might wonder why anyone would want to use anything else other than for asthetic reasons. Crossing them over at 80hz is fine, the towers still sound better than a surround type speaker IMO.

Edit: this is a reply to the last post on the previous page.

Could somebody tell me, why RF-52 is 34Hz-23kHz +/-3dB but RF-62 is 38Hz-23kHz +/-3dB ?

So the RF-52 has better bass with smaller box/drivers, or it's just typo on their web page?

I'll post this in the Klipsch own forum to see if anyone answers.

If anyone is interested, the subject title is "Mystery" at the Klipsch web site.

Sounds interesting but i dont think its available in my area and my hall is pretty small to accommodate 6 4.5 lying around lol! Will prefer a new set of speakers though. Thanks for suggestion mate.

Cheers!

Hi all,
I might have the opportunity soon to buy some KLF-20 speakers and a matching center channel. Probably 2-300 (now sounding like a bit more, we will see). Has anyone ever heard these personally, or own them personally? I have never even heard horn speakers before so am not sure what to expect. Any feedback would be appreciated, though. I am trying to decide if these are worth getting or if my money is better spent elsewhere. I can try before I buy, however, it involves a long drive so I want to find out what I can first.

Thanks.

Academy Center

Quartets Main.

Insignia's from Best Buy for surround duty (temporary...my apartment is only about 500sq ft now and I have to fight with volume control as it is ;))

Yamaha HTR-5960 Reciever

Yamakawa DVD288K/VGA DVD

Yamaha CCD-665 CD changer

Dish 508 PVR

Toshiba M752 VCR

Toshiba CX32G60 CRT

It's a nice system...once I get a larger room I will get a sub or two. I will also move the Quartets to rear duty and hunt down a set of Cornwalls or another pair of quartets (with subs I think I may go the quartet route).

I will then decide if I want to go 6.1 or 7.1.

Å

Hi all,
I might have the opportunity soon to buy some KLF-20 speakers and a matching center channel. Probably 2-300 (now sounding like a bit more, we will see). Has anyone ever heard these personally, or own them personally? I have never even heard horn speakers before so am not sure what to expect. Any feedback would be appreciated, though. I am trying to decide if these are worth getting or if my money is better spent elsewhere. I can try before I buy, however, it involves a long drive so I want to find out what I can first.

Thanks.

I own the KLF 20's and the matching C-7 (along with several Klipsch Reference line products) speakers. They are a 3 way design that does both movies and music superbly. I would imagine those 3 speakers would be a steal at $800 in reasonable condition. If you are talking about getting all three for 2 to 300 dollars then that is either a steal or a scam, imo. Good Luck. :)

Okay, little survey for Klipschorn owners:

How do you rate the the way that your Klipschorns image?

I sit in the crosshairs on the two speakers, currently 21' apart (but they were 18' in my previous home). They completely disappear from the room. Sound very rarely appears to come from them. Without need for closing your eyes, you can point to the singer, or singers in different positions, and place most instruments in different spots as well. People swear that a center speaker is playing when it's not.

Yet, I come across people who have come to believe that Klipschorns don't image at all. There must be some awful dealer setups somewhere to convey this. See for example:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8519693&&#post8519693
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8522856&&#post8522856

Peter,

I don't own Klipschorns but have listened to them many many times. However, I do own La Scala's with ALK crossovers. I have them in a corner and toed about 20 degrees. Since they share the same mid & high horns they are basically identical in the mid & upper frequency. For someone to say they image poorly is hogwash. They are blowing smoke up your A** because they probably never listen to them even though they say they have or someone told them something.

I have read and the thread you linked to over the last week or so and although I found myself wanting to jump in I decided it wouldn't do any good. The 2 in question that love to argue about how much they know and nobody else knows anything makes me want to just, well you know.

No speaker in the world can solve every acoustical problem and if one could then all the companies makng room treatments, analyzers etc would be out of business not to mention every other speaker manufacturere. I have listened to many fine speakers over the years and quite frankly if I found one that was 10k or under I would buy them. Khorns would work in my theater with some stage modifications but in all honesty I love my setup they way it is, with the La Scala's as the mains. My La Scala's are 18' apart and they Do Disapear!

Over the years I have so many people compliment my system and have folks tell me they have never heard anything as dynamic. These people own some pretty good gear too and its not like they were just introduced to audio.

Every review writen about the Khorn has been nothing but sonic praise. I don't care if the basic design is 60 years old or not! Driver & Crossover tecnology has changed with the advent of better design and materials in the heritage line but the basic cabinet (bass horn) has not.

Thanks for the input. I guess I have been waisting my time trying to have a discussion where none is possible.

K-horns are the holy grail, if you've got em, you don't need anything else, I'd hate to have to shell out the money for what it would take to "upgrade" from a K-horn!!! But I'm a little biased, I sure wish my room could handle these babies or I'd never let them go, but it sure is nice having owned them. Here's a pic from the day I brought them home. http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/rushisrighton1/100_1981.jpg

For any Klipsch Ref owners looking...just did an install on the new RT-12D sub. It is everything Klipschophiles have been waiting for. Fast as heck, musical, punchy and puts out HELLACIOUS amounts of energy. And...it gets DEEEEP. We measured 3 db down at 17hz and hit near 115 db at 30hz before the room and our ears gave out...and the sub had more to give. Guys, this one is serious.

Thanks for the post rushisrighton. Sorry I disappeared over the wekend; busy with leaves and that that fall jazz. You are selling your KHorns?

Yes, although not "officially" selling yet, I have a ton of pics for them allready, but have to get pallets and shipping estimates ready. But they are for sale. If anyone is interested drop me a pm, no price set yet cause I have to figure out shipping, and make sure that they are packaged well, but it could be speeded up if I knew I had a buyer. I'll probably be able to beat / sell for less than any price you see on audiogon. If I didn't allready have 6 RF-7's and if my room was not a nightmare, there's no way I'd EVER sell them, but you can only have so many things.

If anyone is dieing to get a sweet pair of K-horns in great shape, let me know, I even have some of the original sales documentation for them.

I fell in love with Klipsch over 20 years ago when I saw a pair of KlipschHorns.
One day i will add a pair of Heritage models to make 7.1.

(5)Bryston 7BST THX Silver mono block amps
Proceed AVP Processor
Klipsch KLF30's x 4(mains and surround)
Klipsch C7(center channel)
Klipsch KSW15(subwoofer)
Adcom GCD750 5-disc Carousel CD
Toshiba 3108 DVD
Arcam Alpha8 Tuner
Mitsubishi HS-U760 S-VHS
Mitsubishi CS-40505 40inch TV
(2)VanEvers Unlimiter Surge/Conditioners
VanEvers Model 85 HT Surge/Conditioner
Tara Labs Gen MasterII interconnects(amps)
AudioQuest Topaz interconnects(a/v)
Nordost Superflatline speaker wire (bi-wired)
(5)ESP Power Flo-Pro A/V powercords(amps)
Salamander Synergy Twin 40 Silver& Black rack
(2)20amp dedicated electrical lines

The KLF-30 is nothing to sneeze at, and I'm sure that your system rocks, what with the matching KLF-C7. The twin 12" woofers cover a large area. But yeah, if you see a pair of used Klipschorns near you, and your room is large enough (read wide enough!) for them, then go for it! You could use the KLF-30 as surounds and back without too many complaints.

Hi All

I have been a big fan of Klipsch products since I first tried the promedia 4.1...

I am now trying to find LF-10 and LF-12 subwoofers. The specs on these thing are pretty sweet, and I would love to find one. Does anybody here have any experiance with the LF series subs?

Thanks for any info...

Snype32

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Vettebob54 all the prices you have listed appear to be list. I love Klipsch but I would have to believe you can get a better price.
Monster Cable tend to be really over priced. You can do better than that for sure. Try Better cables, Bluejean Cables, KnuKonceptz or MonoPrice just to name a few.
Marantz makes some nice affordable receivers and would complement Klipsch nicely. Just shop around, what ever you do don't pay MSRP!
Good Luck!
-Hammer

What do you Klipsch experts think of this system and its price? You advise will be appreciated.

How many times are you going to post this? :(

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730117

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730125

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730106

Hey everyone!

I am new to the forum and I need a little advice. I already have my system picked out and I would like some suggestions on how I can get the most out of it. This setup is going in a one bedroom apt., so keep that in mind when you hear what I am getting.

I will be purchasing the Quintet III package with the Synergy Sub-10, and the Yamaha htr-5960 AVR. Since I work part-time at BB, I cannot pass up the price on the Synergy series. This will only be my main system for about a year or so until my house gets built(custom building, no real time table). I just need to get the most out of it until it goes to the family room and not my theater.

I listen to music as much as I watch movies, so balance in my system is a must. The 5960 is a 7.1 reciever, should I get a pair of B3's for music. Would the B3's overpower the Quintets in a theater application?

Any suggestions are apprecitated.

I would go with an entire bookshelf size to begin with, but $2000 for speakers and TV is my limit and the wife wants a 42" Plasma. How can you tell a woman no when she tells you to go get a plasma.

Thanks

How many times are you going to post this? :(

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730117

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730125

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730106


How about getting your postcount up a bit with contributions instead of calling out n00bs?

One was about the DVD, the other was similar to what he posted here...hardly excessive plus this thread welcomes him posting his system.

EthanAllen -

I sent you a PM.


Dave

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HI!
I am considering going with Klipsch for my HK avr-635. Right now Im using Insignias only! :-)
I can get a used pair of RB-61 for $225 shipped and based on my research they seem to be really nice. Has anyone compared them stuff like the Onix X-LS, Insignias, HTD Level 3...etc?

Hi guys need help, new the avsforum and good sound systems. I just bought a house with a media room and have a sony 7.1 system :( , subwoofer just quit. Looking to buy new sounds. I notice alot of avs'rs have klisp speakers. I would like to buy the thx2 but price :eek: , and wife would kill me :) . I will probably buy all the speakers from ebay. I am a little confused. I can find the center channel and the sub, but what about the other 6 speakers. Can i just get any surround klisp. speaker for the front L&R, Side L&R and Rear L&R or should i be looking for specific rear, front & side speakers? :confused:

thanks wap

BugHunt,
I am sorry I didn't think I needed your approval to put requests in anywhere on this site. I am asking similar but different questions on sites where specific individuals might read it here and not there. Like the speaker issue I am not sure if Klipish opwners would of read the 831 site or the DVD site so thats why I am asking here also.

If you dont want to offer any help thats fine but I appreciate the help from those that do. So please just ignore my posts if they bother you so much after all I don't see any constructive information from you. After all I thought this site was the place to get help and advise if needed.

Thank you very much for your advise and help Alkemyst & Hammer I am just trying to cover all bases before making a big purchase and I dont have alot of experience in Audio & Video equipment.

Thanks, but please learn to spell the equipment you are buying, if you have done any research it's Klipsch.

Thanks, but please learn to spell the equipment you are buying, if you have done any research it's Klipsch.

:eek: :rolleyes:


He spelled it correctly in his first post and it appears he is trying to do research or he wouldn't be here.

vettebob54--I wish I could help you but I have no experience with the exact speakers you are looking at. :)

Wow, what a lot of seriously critical people in here that must always be perfect. I guess this thread isnt for anyone trying to figure anything out only for those that know everything. Sorry for bothering everyone and I am out of here, I would ask that you please don't follow my posts in any other thread if it's bothers you all so much.

I sure hope everything is spelled correctly wouldn't want to get sent to the principle.

Now don't go overboard either!

You might find some people with relevant experience on the Klipsch web site forums at http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/

I'm into the Klipsch heritage line of products myself, so can't really help you either.

He's gone. Can't say I blame him either.

Wow, what a lot of seriously critical people in here that must always be perfect. I guess this thread isnt for anyone trying to figure anything out only for those that know everything. Sorry for bothering everyone and I am out of here, I would ask that you please don't follow my posts in any other thread if it's bothers you all so much.

I sure hope everything is spelled correctly wouldn't want to get sent to the principle.

I know where you are coming from and I hope you understood that my post was trying to convey not all of us Klipschsters are so pretentious. Good luck on your speaker research and purchase. FWIW, I hope you post back on this Thread with the EXACT system you are looking at and share with us a positive experience. :cool:

I will be happy to hear from the new RB-61 and RC-62 speaker owners as I am considering that setup for my HK AVR-635.

Which sub should I pair with the RB-61s and RS-42s?

I'm considering the recommended RW-10d or the legacy RW-12 (for about $100 extra). Just how important is the sub pairing and is the 10" sub adequate?

Background:
My greatroom is essentially 16' wide x 32' deep with 9' ceilings (actually an L shaped area comprising the greatroom, kitchen, and dining area). The RB-61s will be placed front L & R in book cases on either side of the LCD TV (mounted on the wall above the fireplace). The RS-42s will be placed back L & R on top of the kitchen cabinets. The sub will be located at the corner of the L shaped area. The LCD displays speakers will have to suffice for the center channel. Although placement is not optimal, it's the most obtrusive audio system which received spousal approval). I'll likely choose the Yamaha HTR-5890 to drive everything.

Sadly, the RT series subs are beyond the budget.

We'll use the system for both music and movies. The serious home theater is planned for the basement in 2008.

Thanks in advance,
-MN_EE

Hello:

I'm currently planning to build my home...late winter or beginning next year. I’m Also going to structure wire the whole house, looking 5.1 upstairs bedroom and 7.1 HT/Den. Not going the fully automated $$$ way. Want to wire for future though.

My home theater/media room (7.1) (not dedicated) will be about 2,280 cuft (17.25'x13.25'x10', pic attached). I currently have RF-7, that are in storage, which I plan to use. Which Klipsch speakers should I match w/ the RF-7’s? I was thinking about the RC-7 for (center), R-5650-S's for surround. And possibly using a pair of CDT-5800C with the ME-800C back-box as rear surrounds.

What is your take on using the THX KS-7800 in walls for surrounds? Do you think that is over kill on my size of room? Will the R-5650 be adeqaute enough?Any Input would help.

Thanks,


Jonathan
(Cali)

http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/5c/8e411c8de132fc6b8f20c05be6b3235c.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/630587/other/joe-s-media-area.php)

Current Gear:

JVC 52G786 52"
Onkyo TX-DS898 (will upgrade to 200w/ch/pre/amps later)
Moxi DVR HDTV(Cable)
Panny S77
Sony (5disc)
Xbox w/ XBMC
500 gig Maxtor Network Drive/Server
Harmony Remote
JBL S-38's (front)
JBL Center (same class)
JBL Surr ("")
JBL Surr Back ("")
SVS PB12+2
Sampson Bridged 700
AudioSource SW-15 (first sub lol)

Klipsch RF-7 – In-Storage

My home theater/media room (7.1) (not dedicated) will be about 2,280 cuft (17.25'x13.25'x10', pic attached). I currently have RF-7
[...]
Do you think that is over kill on my size of room?

You mean a 7.1 system based on RF-7? The room is almost big enough for Klipschorns, so I don't think it's overkill. But you will have speakers everywhere!
(Sounds awesome.)

No, no. Lol. Are you kidding the wife would kill me. I have to go with in-walls/in-ceilings for surround and back surround. The Fronts will be RF-7's and either an RC-7 or RC-64. I just wanted to get an idea about the difference on going with the THX Ultra-2 for the surrounds.



Jonathan
(Cali)

For any Klipsch Ref owners looking...just did an install on the new RT-12D sub. It is everything Klipschophiles have been waiting for. Fast as heck, musical, punchy and puts out HELLACIOUS amounts of energy. And...it gets DEEEEP. We measured 3 db down at 17hz and hit near 115 db at 30hz before the room and our ears gave out...and the sub had more to give. Guys, this one is serious.

Damn, Soundood ...

Do I need to send my Danley back and pick up the RT-12D?

I thought I had THE Ubersub ...

Chris

Hello:

I'm currently planning to build my home...late winter or beginning next year. I’m Also going to structure wire the whole house, looking 5.1 upstairs bedroom and 7.1 HT/Den. Not going the fully automated $$$ way. Want to wire for future though.

My home theater/media room (7.1) (not dedicated) will be about 2,280 cuft (17.25'x13.25'x10', pic attached). I currently have RF-7, that are in storage, which I plan to use. Which Klipsch speakers should I match w/ the RF-7’s? I was thinking about the RC-7 for (center), R-5650-S's for surround. And possibly using a pair of CDT-5800C with the ME-800C back-box as rear surrounds.

What is your take on using the THX KS-7800 in walls for surrounds? Do you think that is over kill on my size of room? Will the R-5650 be adeqaute enough?Any Input would help.

Thanks,


Jonathan
(Cali)

http://images5.pictiger.com/thumbs/5c/8e411c8de132fc6b8f20c05be6b3235c.th.jpg (http://server5.pictiger.com/img/630587/other/joe-s-media-area.php)

Current Gear:

JVC 52G786 52"
Onkyo TX-DS898 (will upgrade to 200w/ch/pre/amps later)
Moxi DVR HDTV(Cable)
Panny S77
Sony (5disc)
Xbox w/ XBMC
500 gig Maxtor Network Drive/Server
Harmony Remote
JBL S-38's (front)
JBL Center (same class)
JBL Surr ("")
JBL Surr Back ("")
SVS PB12+2
Sampson Bridged 700
AudioSource SW-15 (first sub lol)

Klipsch RF-7 – In-Storage

Interesting plan, however, it's not how I would allocate my $$$, nor how I would set this room up. (I know you're not here soliciting room setup advice, but as a fellow "Klipsch-o-phile", I feel compelled...) :). Anyway, with that sized space, I would suggest a front projection system utilizing one of the new 1080p FP's from Panasonic or Sony. Throw the image onto a 92" to 106" screen mounted on the wall. This removes the acoustic barrier of the media center between the speakers and provides a significantly larger display. At 1080p resolution, the image will be just as good and the "WOW" factor will be much higher. In addition, the street prices on a Sony or Panny pj and a good screen will be below the cost of the 70" RPTV. The one downside is that you need to run video cabling to the pj location. However, it sounds like you are wiring "new construction" so this shouldn't be a problem.

If money is not an issue, I would go for the entire THX Ultra-2 in-wall system, (and sell the RF-7's, which will bring a very good price). Even though your room is not an Ultra-2 sized room, the stealth nature of the speakers and clean, hidden nature of the system will make your wife very happy... and you'll still have *excellent* sound. If you want to save some money, Klipsch makes a set of in-walls in their Reference Line. Be sure to use their back-boxes with the Ref. line speakers. Keep the SVS sub (and possibly add another one). In addition, budget for some room treatments. They'll make the whole system sound much better.

Good luck and keep us posted on the construction. In fact, many people in your situation start threads in the "Dedicated Theater Design and Construction" forum. It would be fun to watch your process from design to construction to *enjoyment*!

Craig

Interesting plan, however, it's not how I would allocate my $$$, nor how I would set this room up. (I know you're not here soliciting room setup advice, but as a fellow "Klipsch-o-phile", I feel compelled...) :). Anyway, with that sized space, I would suggest a front projection system utilizing one of the new 1080p FP's from Panasonic or Sony. Throw the image onto a 92" to 106" screen mounted on the wall. This removes the acoustic barrier of the media center between the speakers and provides a significantly larger display. At 1080p resolution, the image will be just as good and the "WOW" factor will be much higher. In addition, the street prices on a Sony or Panny pj and a good screen will be below the cost of the 70" RPTV. The one downside is that you need to run video cabling to the pj location. However, it sounds like you are wiring "new construction" so this shouldn't be a problem.

If money is not an issue, I would go for the entire THX Ultra-2 in-wall system, (and sell the RF-7's, which will bring a very good price). Even though your room is not an Ultra-2 sized room, the stealth nature of the speakers and clean, hidden nature of the system will make your wife very happy... and you'll still have *excellent* sound. If you want to save some money, Klipsch makes a set of in-walls in their Reference Line. Be sure to use their back-boxes with the Ref. line speakers. Keep the SVS sub (and possibly add another one). In addition, budget for some room treatments. They'll make the whole system sound much better.

Good luck and keep us posted on the construction. In fact, many people in your situation start threads in the "Dedicated Theater Design and Construction" forum. It would be fun to watch your process from design to construction to *enjoyment*!

Craig


Craig:


Actually I don't mind the advice at all, the more the better. But the actual room size/layout is how it has to be.... I already changed my mind a few times w/ the Arch. But as far as components and and speaker choices I'm only limited by budget. The more I think about it, the KS-7800 in-walls all around might be too much $$$. Also, I thought the Reference Line only in-walls w/ back-boxes were the ceiling mounted 5800's? Maybe I'll email Klipsch if there are other models available.

I like your take on perhaps a 1080p front projection system, but every time I see some displays at either a Custom HT store or Fry's......it always seems you need pretty good control of the lighting. If you don't have that.....I'm sure it would wash out the picture. I know I can control the lighting from the front......w/ dark roman shades if need be. But what if I want to watch a Saturday college game during the day? Just afraid I won't be able to see the picture w/ the same contrast power as a SXRD or JVC 1080P Lycos. Any ideas on changing my mind. What models of are availabe from sony or panny? What cost am I looking at w/ that and a screen? Thanks.


Jonathan
(Cali)

Don't sell those JBL S38's. I had some and loved them. Sold them for next to nothing. Best sounding speakers JBL has made in awhile.

They just don't quite have what the Klipsch do...

Wow -- great thread.

My setup:

* Klipsch Forte's (had for 15 yrs)
* Klipsch Academy center (bought recently to match)
* Klipsch KS-525 THX Ultra2 surrounds
* InFocus 7205
* Stewart Firehawk 92" screen
* SVS PB12-ISD sub
* Harman Kardon AVR 435

See link below for pics.

Jonathan,

Klipsch makes a whole line of in-walls:
http://www.klipsch.com/products/lists/in-wall-speakers.aspx
They even make back-boxes, (although only for the 6.5" woofer speakers):
http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/me-650-w.aspx
The tweeters pivot so you can toe them in.

Three of the R-5650-W (http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/r-5650-w.aspx) across the front and a pair of R-5650-S (http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/r-5650-s.aspx) for side sourrounds and an additional pair of R-5650-W's for rear surrounds along with your SVS sub would be an awesome HT.

In terms of the FP suggestion, if light control is an issue, FP could be problematic. However, there are some ways to address it. First is the screen. A high-gain screen like the Vutec SilverStar or Da-Lite High-Power can help by generating a very bright image. Also, a bright projector like the Panasonic PT-AX100U will help:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic_Home-PT-AX100U.htm. For an afternoon football game, (which is quite bright), you don't need a lot of CR to get an acceptable image. Nonetheless, if you have a lot of ambient light falling directly on the screen, PQ will be compromised, and a RPTV or FPTV are probably better solutions. (For further discussions about FP systems, see the two projector forums and the screen forum.)

Craig

Okay, little survey for Klipschorn owners:

How do you rate the the way that your Klipschorns image?

I sit in the crosshairs on the two speakers, currently 21' apart (but they were 18' in my previous home). They completely disappear from the room. Sound very rarely appears to come from them. Without need for closing your eyes, you can point to the singer, or singers in different positions, and place most instruments in different spots as well. People swear that a center speaker is playing when it's not.

Yet, I come across people who have come to believe that Klipschorns don't image at all. There must be some awful dealer setups somewhere to convey this. See for example:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8519693&&#post8519693
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8522856&&#post8522856

Hi Peter,

My Klipschorns fill the room and image like nuts. My results are very similar to your description above. The room, of course, is THE critical piece for a really great K-horn experience yet even marginal rooms can't totally destroy the sonic joy that Klipschorns create.

Amplication chain is also important. Mediocre amps, both high and low-powered, will not do well with Klipschorns (or Klipsch in general). They are merciless on crummy recordings because they reproduce them perfectly, without color. My good recordings are amazing, my bad ones rarely get listened to anymore ...

Chris

I recently purchased some used LaScala's to use for my front mains. I put my Heresy's for the sides and my KG1.2 for the rear surround. As soon as I can find another pair of Heresy's then they will do the rear surround. My center is a KV4 which I need to find maybe another Heresy. I have had Klipsch since 79 and have not heard much better for the price ratio unless you go to the ultra high end systems I have auditioned. And even then the seperation was not what I envisioned. One of the better bang for the bucks in stereo.

Of course running 7 Khorns would be a treat, but finding all the corners would be a little tough. Cheers

Hi Peter,

My Klipschorns fill the room and image like nuts. My results are very similar to your description above. The room, of course, is THE critical piece for a really great K-horn experience yet even marginal rooms can't totally destroy the sonic joy that Klipschorns create.

Amplication chain is also important. Mediocre amps, both high and low-powered, will not do well with Klipschorns (or Klipsch in general). They are merciless on crummy recordings because they reproduce them perfectly, without color. My good recordings are amazing, my bad ones rarely get listened to anymore ...

Chris

Thanks Chris! Yeah, good recording sound great and bad one you forget forever.

I recently purchased some used LaScala's to use for my front mains. I put my Heresy's for the sides and my KG1.2 for the rear surround. As soon as I can find another pair of Heresy's then they will do the rear surround. My center is a KV4 which I need to find maybe another Heresy. I have had Klipsch since 79 and have not heard much better for the price ratio unless you go to the ultra high end systems I have auditioned. And even then the seperation was not what I envisioned. One of the better bang for the bucks in stereo.

Of course running 7 Khorns would be a treat, but finding all the corners would be a little tough. Cheers
Steve, a La Scala based HT system rocks because of the dynamics of these speakers. All you need is a sub to fill in the low end. I use a single Heresy II as a center for Klipschorns in front and La Scala surround (5.1). I'm generally happy with it, but it doesn't have the dynamics of the bigger brothers. Eventually I'll try to get my hands on a single vertical Cornwall.

Kinda late to the thread but I thought I'd chime in with my system. I have RF25's in cherry up front with an RC35 center(black of course). Four RF15s are my rears, also in cherry. I'm using an older Velodyne sub that is going to be upgraded to the combo of an SPL1200R and SPLR1000R. I run everything through a Denon AVR4802 with the RCA HDV5000 HD-DVD player and I watch it all on a Panny CT34WX54, which will be replaced sometime next year. I'll provide pictures later when I get home and get the chance.

I really wasn't a big Klipsch fan until I got to audition them one day and actually ended up prefering their sound to what I was going to get (Infinity Beta system). I've been so impressed I am going to get a pair of the older RB15 bookshelves for my computer speaker along with an older RC25 and RW8 sub. I can get a good deal on them, hence not going with the new Reference line instead. Not sure if I want to do full surround yet as a bedroom computer system is a bit harder to manage, wire wise. Still, I'm looking into it.

Just wanted to share. :)

Just an FYI- I was working for a home theater company that just went out of business(owner retired), and a competitor grabbed myself and a couple of employees. Found out that we have top tier pricing on Sony(yuck) and Klipsch (yay) products. PM me with what you want and I'll get pricing for you.

Sigh! If I only had deeper pockets. I'll keep this in mind when I am ready to upgrade.

I do have a question though. My seating is on the sides of the room and I have been looking at the Dipole/bipole surrounds (can't remember the numbers). Anyway could they be used as surrounds and sound good. I do have a chair for when I watch movies that I put in the sweet spot. I can't hang the speakers on the side walls since where they need to go there is a 5 ft doorway and on the other wall 9ft of windows.

Thanks

I do have a question though. My seating is on the sides of the room and I have been looking at the Dipole/bipole surrounds (can't remember the numbers). Anyway could they be used as surrounds and sound good. I do have a chair for when I watch movies that I put in the sweet spot. I can't hang the speakers on the side walls since where they need to go there is a 5 ft doorway and on the other wall 9ft of windows.

Thanks


I am not really sure of your question but I will give you an opinion on Klipsch WDST speakers. In my main theater, where I have a seated position parallel to my side surrounds I prefer the direct radiating speakers (although I have RS-7's sitting on my RF-3's and on action movies sometime play both A & B surrounds because I can :D ).

In our bedroom where we watch movies in bed, but also do chores moving around the room in the daytime, I prefer the Klipsch RS-3 WDST to direct speakers (even on muli-channel music).

BTW, pcweber111--I have the Denon 4802 R driving my main HT. It is an EXCELLENT AVR. :)

Sorry Zen Travelerlet me try to be more specific.

My seating is along the sides of the room but my speakers need to be hung on the back wall. Will the dipole/bipole do a better job than directional speakers? Moving the speaker to the sides is impossible due to the shape and build of the room.

Sorry Zen Travelerlet me try to be more specific.

My seating is along the sides of the room but my speakers need to be hung on the back wall. Will the dipole/bipole do a better job than directional speakers? Moving the speaker to the sides is impossible due to the shape and build of the room.

Hard to say given how different room dynamics are.

If you move your chair to the sweet spot for movies and then appreciate your sound system at different areas of the room for other material, then I feel the Klipsch WDST speakers would work well. That being said, the rear channels in my main HT are RB-75 bookshelf speakers, that I have angled towards the back of my head, but I have only one "Sweet Spot" for Movies and Music.

In my bedroom scenerio that I discussed above I have multi listening positions and prefer the WDST technology. I don't necessarily think there is a wrong answer but keep your receipt. ;)

BTW, pcweber111--I have the Denon 4802 R driving my main HT. It is an EXCELLENT AVR. :)

Yeah, it's an excellent receiver. Plenty of power and enough inputs to last me for awhile. I might upgrade the the 4806 but I'd like to see what they're doing about DolbyTrueHD and DTS HD support. If a new revision adds both I will make a purchase right away.

There is test on the Klipsch RF-83 Theater System in Sound & Vision. November 2006 issue. The write up sound good but not sure why it didn't get the S$V approved stamp. I really like my setup. They also said the bass may overwhelmed in a small room. My room is relatively small and this not the case for me. My system real need a good sub, I don't have the RT-12d. I have Velodyne DLS-5000 and looking something better. But I'am kind of a bass guy. They really like the RT-12d sub.

There's also a review (that I haven't read yet) of the La Scala II in the november issue of Stereophile. There was a thread on the Klipsch forum about it.

To read the article on the LaScala II click http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/storage/4/811836/LSIIbySam.pdf .

I have bought and sold and bought and sold and bought K-horns ( 3 times for different reasons ) along with most of the other Klipsch....... Including LaScala, Chorus, Forte, and numerous additional Klipsch speakers. I've spent more money while not being able to afford.........anyway.......Something about them........

Currently have Khorns ( Front ) Kv-3 ( Center ), and Kg 3.2's which serve as my side/rear. I'm in a rectangle with couch on back wall.

I've tried to go on Klipsch forum ( just joined ) and it won't let me login, and I can't reach anyone, cus I can't login!!!

Anyway, I used to have Parasound HCA-1206 which worked great for HT bottom end wise, but sold it, and went back to Mac amps ( I had one years ago ) this is the 5 channel 7205. One big problem for me.It lacks the heavy tight bass for HT..........

Now I'm in search of the "perfect amp" . Considering the Para 5250 ( I hate the Halo look ), a Gemstone Blue Diamond, and some guys are talking up the Butler 5150...........a different kind of tube amp............

Any thoughts here?

Also, is there a similar size center speaker that might be better than the KV-3 center I'm currently using? Something a little more "open"?

Thanks,

Zork,

You can post anonymously on the "Forum" section of their web site to fix your login problem:

http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/31/ShowForum.aspx

Or you could email Amy at amy.unger@klipsch.com

Concerning your KV-3, I use a Heresy II as center and would think it should be better than a KV-3. It's still a bit compressed compared to the big horns, but it's not bad. The word on the forum is that an Academy fits the bill rather nicely. Your best bets are with a La Scala (or Belle) or a vertical Cornwall, but they are much bigger to fit over a TV display.

To read the article on the LaScala II click http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/storage/4/811836/LSIIbySam.pdf .

As scanned by a forum member, in no way affiliated with Klipsch. I wonder how long it will stay up there. It's a good review, but still copyright infringement...

Peter,

Thanks. I have a 23" tall Glass and metal stand from Bush with 56" Sammy DLP on it. The next shelf down only has around 10 or 11 inches height availabe.

My KV-3 is 9" tall. I'm looking for something that size. I can "live" with what I got.

I'm amp hunting and poor................But if I can find something around the size of the KV-3, that's decidedly better..............

Brian

The Academy size is 23.25" x 11" x 10", but I would assume that means 11" tall... There are two of them for sale on the Klipsch forum right now.

Here's what the Academy is:

http://www.klipsch.com/products/discontinued/details/academy.aspx

I saw some nice big, expensive not too tall ones on the Klipsch site. The RC-64 and RC-62...........................Only 8 inches tall. ...................Thanks for info.

Yup. I didn't suggest those because I don't think they would timbre-match Klipschorns that well, BYMMV.

Damn, Soundood ...

Do I need to send my Danley back and pick up the RT-12D?

I thought I had THE Ubersub ...

Chris

You DO have THE Ubersub. The RT-12D is an awesome product, Klipsch went way beyond expectations with that beast...but is still ain't a DTS-20 :D
But...for those who can't fit the 7'+ tall coffin of doom and dont' have the coin to spend on the Ultra 2 subs...the RT-12D has got to be on the short list.

I am in the process of building my HT and I really like the reviews of the Ultra 2 THX system. That said, I have not found anything definative on the best way to power these. I have considered the Denon AVR-3806, it is pricy but THX ultra 2 certified.

I would like some input from those who own these speakers on what they are using and what alternative are out there

.... I have considered the Denon AVR-3806, it is pricy but THX ultra 2 certified.



I don't have the Klipsch THX ultra-II's but I power my Klipsch Reference systems with the Denon AVR-4802R (THX- ultra II )in my main HT and a Denon AVR-3805 in our Bedroom--Both are good units. I have no experience with the AVR- 3806 but FYI it's not THX certified. :)

Leary, buy the speakers because you like the way they sound, not because they're THX certified. THX certified really doesn't mean much.

Ive finally got my room setup and I dont think my center is going to do it. Ive got 2 F-3s, 2 sub-12s, C-3, and 2 pair S-3's. Powered by an elite 82txs. My question is, dont laugh, can I just get a better center already. This thing is popping at -10 and Im not sure if its bad or just not enough. Im going to exchange it and if it doesnt get better Im going to be looking to replace it with something bigger, much bigger. I was thinking the RC-64 but its too wide, so maybe the RC-62? I was maybe even thinking about just getting the KL-650 or 525, hahaa, I think it will be overkill though. Then again, if it sounds good I dont care. I know I should have just got the reference line to begin with, but I couldnt get the BB employee discount on them. Any suggestions please.

Hey gang, I was hoping you guys could help me out with proper placement of my Klips. KSPS-6's. I just finished up my room and am trying to figure out were to place them - I.E. Ceiling, side walls, rear walls or in the corners. I will have a sectional for my seating which will run along the right wall and the rear wall - were I will be sitting. The room is 13WX18LX7H.

I would appreciate any help you guys can give me.

Leary, buy the speakers because you like the way they sound, not because they're THX certified. THX certified really doesn't mean much.

I agree about buying speakers because of the way that they sound.

I personally chose my Denon AVR-4802 R Ultra II certified AVR because I don't trust the WPC numbers that Manufactures claim. For it to be ultra II it has to reach THX's specifications and this unit was more than $1,000 cheaper than other AVR's I was considering. FWIW, If you can find either a used Denon AVR-4802R or AVR-5803 and don't need the Video switching, you couldn't find a better bang for your buck, imo. :)

Ive finally got my room setup and I dont think my center is going to do it. Ive got 2 F-3s, 2 sub-12s, C-3, and 2 pair S-3's. Powered by an elite 82txs. My question is, dont laugh, can I just get a better center already. This thing is popping at -10 and Im not sure if its bad or just not enough.

Doesn't sound normal to me... I would think simply exchanging it will fix the problem.

Zen Traveler,
There's a pair of Klipsch RS-62 surround speakers for sale on Audiogon :D

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1165526857

I personally chose my Denon AVR-4802 R Ultra II certified AVR because I don't trust the WPC numbers that Manufactures claim. For it to be ultra II it has to reach THX's specifications and this unit was more than $1,000 cheaper than other AVR's I was considering.

I agree with you that WPC ratings usually mean one speaker at a time, and that few brands have honest ratings with all channels driven. One interesting thing to look at is power consumption. It's hard to give out 7x100W continously if the receiver draws only 500W from the outlet.

However, I'm more interested in a receiver's ability to handle 4 ohms speakers than its overall power. The impedence of most 8-ohms nominal speakers can dip much lower at certain frequencies, so it's important to get that right. Power, in the other had, is exponentially expensive. I think 100W is a magic marketing number, and I don't care if my receiver doesn't reach it. It's a difference of only a few dB, and I only have a few recordings (drums mostly) that I listen to at maximum volume (when I could use a few extra dB). The advantage of high-sensitivity speakers such as Klipsch means I can sacrifice a few (When you start from 105 dB sensitivity, you can afford to lose a few here).

Of course, if money is no object, I suggest buying a separate amplifier. It will outlive the receiver and still be useful in the future.

Surrounds Questions:
I have got RF62 and RC62. now i need 2 sorrounds to complete my 5.1 setup and that where i am lost.
I know RS52 are the match, but thats $700/pair - its a bit expensive for me.
I am thinking of going for RB-61 which are couple of hundreds less, or RS42.
RB61 has 100w and RS42 has 75w - for the same price.
Is it a very bad idea to use bookshlefs as surround. Or should i just invest in RS52 without thinking..
Here is my room setup, its 16 feet in length, one side opens to kitchen/dining. My seating position is a sofa against the wall, planing place the surrounds just next to seating area close to the sofa ends..
Can u guys throw some ideas..
Thanks all

Surrounds Questions:
I have got RF62 and RC62. now i need 2 sorrounds to complete my 5.1 setup and that where i am lost.
I know RS52 are the match, but thats $700/pair - its a bit expensive for me.
I am thinking of going for RB-61 which are couple of hundreds less, or RS42.
RB61 has 100w and RS42 has 75w - for the same price.
Is it a very bad idea to use bookshlefs as surround. Or should i just invest in RS52 without thinking..
Here is my room setup, its 16 feet in length, one side opens to kitchen/dining. My seating position is a sofa against the wall, planing place the surrounds just next to seating area close to the sofa ends..
Can u guys throw some ideas..
Thanks all

Go here the RS52's are 571.00 for a pair... ;)

http://www.audiophileliquidator.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=7&products_id=1495&osCsid=c20fb5b377f2c27d7635f2a8e4c46abb

Hey Jags99,

I think either one will work. If you listen to multi-channel music and/or sit in between the 2 surrounds I would go with the RB-61's. If you have more than one listening position, the RS42 may be better. I sit in between my surrounds and prefer my direct radiating towers over my WDST surrounds in my main HT.

In the bedroom HT I have several places that I enjoy my system and prefer the WDST technology because I am usually up a and moving around. When we are in bed watching a movie they still sound great.

If I were you and after hearing what a few of us say--I would buy the speaker you think best and keep the box and receipt along with the agreement from the store that you could bring it back and exchange it for the other one just in case. :)

PS: I would also see if they can come down on the price of the RB-81 or the RS-52--call around. ;)

Thanks all for your input. Today i had a chance to hear them both RS42 and RB-61. (RS52- there were no floor models). I preferred the RB-61 and yes RS42 spread more, but i always sit inbetween the surrounds while i watch a movie and RB-61 were 30% off ( i liked this even more).. thinking of investing the remaining money on a good stands..
Will take a day or two to set them up ...

I have a couple questions for everyone.

I picked up a pair of RF-82s and I need a matching center and rears. Klipsch web site says the matching center for the 82s is the RC-62 but I am interested in the RC-64. Will the RC-64 be timbre matched up with the 82s. I am also dealing with this problem for the rears. THe RS-52 is matched up on the website as being matched with the 82s, but has a 5.25 driver whereas the RS-62 has the same 6 inch driver as the centers (rc-62 and rc-64) do. I am also open to doing the bookshelves for the rears also. So would I buy the RB-81 or the RB-61s for the rears? Whats everyones thoughts. This will be a 5.1 application for now. Thanks

Samskiggidy: I would stay with the RC-62 for the front. Same power rating and a match set. For the rears I would probaly go with the RB-81 or the RS-62. The power rating would be same all around. Think about HD DVD send full range to the rears. Those 5.25 drivers are small. The RC-64 does not have the same woofers as the RC-62. If you get the RF-82 stay with the RC-62. Just my 2 cent worth.

I wouldn't care much about matching power ratings. RC-62 RC-64... I guess you to have to go listen. They have the same driver sizea and same crossover frequencies. Surprisingly, the RC-62 is rated to a slightly lower frequency response than the bigger RC-64 (57 Hz vs 62 Hz) and only gains 1 dB in sensitivity while doubling up on the drivers. That's strange. Still, they should sound very similar.

I am undecided between 2 models. The RF-52 or the Synergy F-2. The Synergy actually is more money because it has the dual 6 1/2s, but the RC-52 has the 5 1/4, but are suppose to be better. Is there a big difference between these 2 lines. Also, the F-2s are front ported also, as I don't have a lot of space near the back wall either, but I would rather have the model that has the smoother treble, as so many people say that Klipsch speakers are so bright,(wheather that is true or not, I don't know, never owned pair, I have KEFs.

Tough question. Depends on what you want to do and your budget. The Reference series is better than the Synergy, different drivers and build quality (Reference are made in Hope, Arkansas, Synergy are made in China). I have not compared them side to side...can you? I suspect the Reference series speakers will have a higher resale value when you get the itch to upgrade. Don't think I helped much, perhaps muddied the waters some.

Different drivers too! Interesting picture...I assume that is the Klipsch factory in Arkansas?

Yes. Rainy day in June, Hope, Arkansas. I have many more pictures of the factory.

I am a fan of the Heritage line. Can't audition them at any dealer here in Dallas.

Same here. Tough call. Some people say great things about the Synergy, and others say Reference at the same price point (smaller) are clearly better. But in the case, the RF have better specs!

Here is how the Cornwall III is constructed.

Doc99,
I too was looking at the F-2's vs the RF-52's. I ended up buying the RF-52's because I could audition them with music I knew. The only place I could find the F-2's was BB and they don't allow you to bring your own music to audition with. To my ear, the RF-52's are less "bright" sounding, but that judgement was made without a side by side comparison. They are both fine speakers and I am very happy with my RF-52's

Congratulations!

I have the Klipsch Quintet III and the Klipsch Synergy 12" sub and I'm very happy with my purchase. The sub is my favorite.

THX U2 system.

KL-650 LCRs
KS-525 Surrounds (4)
KW-120 Subs (2)
KA-1000 Amp

What I like about the 650s: Voicing; Refinement; Definition; Directivity. Every room has specific needs. Mine is a bit on the large and on the active side, so the directivity of the KL-650s is particularly beneficial. The superb voicing that Klipsch has rendered with the THX line is heavenly; never harsh, or honky/horn sounding, but terrifically defined and refined. I am told that Klipsch took a really long time to bring these to market so that the voicing was just right and virtually identical to their state of the art professional cinema line, the Grand Cinema (I think it is called). Dialogue, effects, and music are all strikingly superb. I found their size just right for my need to conceal them.

The surrounds are extremely well matched to the LCRs, and broadcast and disperse sound with amazing power/authority and fidelity. Their not-so-big physical appearance is deceiving. Big sound!

The subs were a big surprise. I had been using some heavy-hitter JBL HTPS-400s, but had heard them get a little strained. The two Klipsch THX subs are immensely superior and never challenged to deliver in even a large room. Immense effortless power and seamless blend with the other speakers.

This system will easily perform in a range of systems; good receivers or seperates, and certainly with refinements like upscale EQ like Auydessey, etc.. MultEQxt did a terrific job for me overcoming some acoustic nuances caused by the build-in of the 650s. Also did a terrific job matching the KS-525 surrounds, refining the subs performance and blending them with the rest of the system.

Certainly my system until torn from my cold, dead fingers. :D

Cheers

I'm not seeing a lot of other owners of the THX U2 system posting. I see SandmanX has them. Any others with feedback?

I'm not seeing a lot of other owners of the THX U2 system posting. I see SandmanX has them. Any others with feedback?

Well, I've got them...love them...but I'm biased so take everything I say with a grain of profit motivated money grubbing salt :D I'm a Klipsch THX Ultra 2 dealer and I sold them to SandmanX (he hooked me up with an SMX screen...which is AWESOME!). The Ultra 2 system is, in my (biased) opinion, one of THE finest home theater speaker packages available...bar none. I've yet to come across a system that can equal it for less than double the money. Just make sure you throw some good quality big horsepower at them (AV recievers will get you started...but they don't get really happy until about the 250 w/ch amp mark).

I am now a Klipsch owner as well now. I have been listening to speakers for my new HT for awhile now and have bought the following:

RF-62 Main (2)
RC-62 Center
RB-61 Surrounds (4)

I am doing 7.1 and my wall setup really did not work well with the RS-52, so I went with 4 RB-61s. I currently have them hooked up to my HK 635 to break them in while I finish my HT and they sound wonderful!

new to klipsch. i live in a small town and cannot audition. i presently have paradigms, reference speakers in a 7.1 set up with two velodyne dd 18s. my paradigms are aging and need to be replaced.
i watch movies like crazy at high volume, -10 to -5. i'm looking at the klipsch line including rb81, rb51's for sides and rears( or rs52's) and the rc 64. is this a good set-up/match?
any suggestions?

i watch movies like crazy at high volume, -10 to -5. i'm looking at the klipsch line including rb81, rb51's for sides and rears( or rs52's) and the rc 64. is this a good set-up/match? That depends on a number of factors such as your room size, listening area size/seats, expectations, and budget. Klipsch is a good place start for someone who likes to listen at near reference level.

nomarian : congratulation on the purchase

I have a pair of KSF 8.5's I bought a few years ago from what is now Tweeter. They are rated at 8 ohm, 75 watts.

I would like to build my surround sound system around these. Can I get the current model center channel SC.5 or SC-1 and surround SS.5 or SS-1 or do I have to find the older models? If I can get the newer models does it matter which one?

I will also add a KSW-12 Sub and a Denon receiver.

Any input is appreciated.

I have an offer to buy a pair of Klipsch - Legend Series KLF-30 and the Klipsch - Synergy Series KSW-200 for about 670$(all inclusive). How are these speakers rated and is this a good price to pay. I would appreciate hearing from any one to help me decide if this is a good deal.

Thanks

I have an offer to buy a pair of Klipsch - Legend Series KLF-30 and the Klipsch - Synergy Series KSW-200 for about 670$(all inclusive).
Thanks

I have the KLF-20's with slight but noticable cabinet damage that I wouldn't sell for $600 (maybe closer to $70--if it was an easy transaction) I would imagine 2 speakers that sounded good with no visible audio damage and slight imperfections would be a steal at that price but I would sell the sub and put that money towards a newer model (or KLF- C7 center;-). :cool:

I have the KLF-20's with slight but noticable cabinet damage that I wouldn't sell for $600 (maybe closer to $70--if it was an easy transaction) I would imagine 2 speakers that sounded good with no visible audio damage and slight imperfections would be a steal at that price but I would sell the sub and put that money towards a newer model (or KLF- C7 center;-). :cool:

Thanks for the reply Zen... Looks like I may bite this bullet..