OK another chapter for those following the SHED 2009....RAISING WALLS

Cut a bunch of wood:

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Layout the frame for the back wall and bang it together

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Skin it with sheathing (it's getting vinyl siding later)

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Frame the front wall, cover it with at least one sheet of sheathing to make it square

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Look for some help. BritinVA to the rescue to help stand up the walls and brace them in place. (20 minutes)

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Laying out the side walls notice position of tape to figure where the 48 and 96 inch studs need to fall

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Mark up the stud locations and transfer the 48 and 96 marks to the edges.

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bang together the side wall framing

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Put on a sheet of sheathing between the 48 and 96 marks . Using the top edge and the marks you can square up the wall.

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Cut off the bottom, I'm using a 1 1/2 inch overhang,

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Assuming it isn't too windy you can stand it up by yourself and clamp it to keep it from falling over.

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repeat and you've got the two side walls up

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A couple of construction details. I'm using a double top plate and I inter-weaved them in the corners.

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I sheathed right over the window opening to add rigidity during construction to the front wall, I'll cut it out later. I also used a continuous bottom plate that I will cut out later for the double wide door that I've ordered.

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I also intentionally hung the side wall sheathing 1 1/2 inches lower on the side walls so that when I sheath the gable ends I'll have the top of the double top plate to anchor the bottom of the sheathing.

BIG, with the size of that shed, it could pass as a mini HT!

You will fill that space up quicker than you think! Nice work.

BIG, with the size of that shed, it could pass as a mini HT!

It is 10x12 and the thought did occur to me that it would make a really nice personal 2 seat theater.

You will fill that space up quicker than you think! Nice work.

Mark said that I better hurry and put a lock on it or some people from West Virginia might move in!

Some nice work - albeit as over engineered as Tom's closet :D

One design flaw is the door should be on other side so you can more easily get your boat onto that lake behind the shed.

Just curious, the 2 sheets you put 48" 96" for the 2 wall, thats just for rigidity for when you stand the up? Just trying to get an understanding on the construction detail. While part of it will be the wall, I would have thought to only add it after the walls are up, if not covering the whole wall before standing them into place.

Adding sheathing before standing up the walls squares up the wall before and keeps it square after it is raised. I sheathed the entire back wall and used one sheet on the other three walls.

Also sheathing while the wall is flat is a lot easier when you are working alone. So all together I put on 6 sheets flat and I'm going to tackle the other 4 sheets today.

If I had a crew of a couple of guys helping I would have totally sheathed ALL the walls before standing them up. It is just easier to position the panels. Working alone the open sections allow you to step through the openings and steady the wall while you are securing it with the clamps.

One design flaw is the door should be on other side so you can more easily get your boat onto that lake behind the shed.

I waste enough time without creating an opportunity to fish out the window when it is raining.

OK for the rest of you, here is the inside joke.

One day I heard a truck behind my house, I went out and discovered that the county had installed this sign on the "outlot" behind my house that has a storm water retention pond that minimizes downstream flash flooding.

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Anyway the thing gets about 24 inches of water maybe 2-3 times a year for 20 minutes.

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One day I heard a truck behind my house, I went out and discovered that the county had installed this sign on the "outlot" behind my house that has a storm water retention pond that minimizes downstream flash flooding.

Anyway the thing gets about 24 inches of water maybe 2-3 times a year for 20 minutes.

That there is your TAX dollars hard at work. :eek:

Mark said that I better hurry and put a lock on it or some people from West Virginia might move in!

I willl unpack now....

Working alone the open sections allow you to step through the openings and steady the wall while you are securing it with the clamps.

you mean jump through when it starts tipping too far and you have to jump under the other side before it goes crashing down?;)

I thought you had Brit helping out, or did he bail after one wall? Thats just weak if you ask me.

No he didn't bail. Saturday he stopped over and we erected the two walls that I had built the day before. Then we went over to the Loganator's to do a couple of items getting him ready for drywalling. Then I built the other two walls on Sunday instead of watching that miserable excuse of a Football team they have in this city.

Then I built the other two walls on Sunday instead of watching that miserable excuse of a Football team they have in this city.

AD cordially invites you to give the Vi-queens one more chance to break your heart. If you want you can even ignore the geriatric Cheese Head decoy behind center. Between Peterson and a real defence, anything is possible. Perhaps even a 5th losing Super Bowl. ;)

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AD cordially invites you to give the Vi-queens one more chance to break your heart.

IMHO there hasn't been a team worth watching since Grant/Tarkington/Page/Eller and Boom Boom Brown.

And you had to sit outside in 20 below weather with a minimum of 3 layers of clothes.

It could be worse, you could be a Browns fan...

It could be worse, you could be a Browns fan...

Ouch, that hurt.

Update. Yesterday I went to HD to pick up the sheathing I needed to finish the walls and the gable. After I loaded it in my ancient pickup it wouldn't turn over and it wasn't a battery problem. So I called AAA and waited for a tow. I had it towed to my mechanic who happened to be taking the day off. Then took a cab home.

After that I wasn't in the mood to do any shed work.

Today I took stock of what I could get done without the sheathing that is sitting at my mechanic's and decided to put up the trusses and cut the hole for the window.

Four inch deck screws in pilot holes (some nails later)

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starter hole

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While I was out working I had an audience:

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What type of ventilation are you planning? Ridge vent? Looks like you have quite a bit of shade. Mine will be in full sun from about Noon on every day.

What type of ventilation are you planning? Ridge vent?

I picked up 3 of these ( the 18 inchers) on Ebay. Do you think it will be enough? I also looked at the various ridge vent systems but I don't think I need both.

http://www.duraflo.com/specs/images/ShedLightVent.jpg

I found one resource that has a guideline of roughly one square inch of free air space for every square foot of attic space. I assume that the same guidelines would apply to a shed.

I was also wondering if I should put a screened vent on the floor so I get some air flow bottom to top. It will stay pretty cool under the shed.

I was also wondering if I should put a screened vent on the floor so I get some air flow bottom to top. It will stay pretty cool under the shed.

Watch out you don't provide easy access to those West Virginians, Oops, I mean critters :D

I picked up 3 of these ( the 18 inchers) on Ebay. Do you think it will be enough? I also looked at the various ridge vent systems but I don't think I need both.

Probably enough ventilation. Not a lot of light but the double doors should help with that.

I was also wondering if I should put a screened vent on the floor so I get some air flow bottom to top. It will stay pretty cool under the shed.

I was thinking low on a wall on the shady side (against the garage in my case) but the floor would probably work as well. Also depends if you will have vented soffits.

Because mine will be in more sun and I will have electric lights I am considering large gable vents on both sides instead of roof vents.

Then took a cab home.

You should have called me. You know, I had guys doing the drywall work FOR me, so I was just sitting around.

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Something else that works real well with this, is a Rotozip. I had my doubts the first time I tried it but works real well with the right bit.

Looking good Big!

Big,
Your shed's looking good. Nice thing about sheds/barns is they tend to get finished a LOT faster than HT's. I build mine in 2005 (14' x 20'), pictures below. It's just sitting on 4" x 6" PT runners on a gravel base. Haven't had any issues with settling, heaving etc. The single ridge vent keeps things cool enough, and haven't had any issues with enough light inside (with both doors open), even with it being North facing. If I were to build it again, I would have put 2 layers of 3/4 OSB on the floor as I'm getting some sagging where I park my ATV. Still may add another layer at some point.

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I had a 4' ridge vent on my 8'x12' and it was just fine. I was limited to 4' due to the hip roof. Air came in under the soffets and out through the ridge vent. I never noticed any excess heat in there, even during the hot Carolina summers.

Good looking shed Floyd. I see those trees giving that roof the evil eye and right now they are deciding which one of them is going to split it in half. The tree with the birdhouse is collecting bets from the others on which tree will get the job done.

Thanks. Funny you should mention the trees...the leaning tree you see behind the right rear corner lost a rather large branch 2 years ago that landed right on the peak of the roof, between two of the trusses. I had to replace a section of sheathing, shingles and now have a nicely bent ridge vent. I guess that's the one who won (for now):(

BIGmouthinDC, I have noticed your thoughts, comments & references through many of the threads & I was wondering if you could point me in the best direction to my following questions...

1. I'm almost finished with my framing & I will soon start with the electrical. Is there a minimum spec for the number of outlets, amperage, etc. I know that the equipment to be used will probably dictate what will be required, but that leads me into my next question...

2. Where can I go to determine the equipment I will need for my a theater? I know I have left this question very open, but it seems the more I read in some of these equipement threads, the more confused I become. It appears that each thread is a bunch of comments of "my equipment is better than than yours." Maybe its just the few I have picked to read, but I still seem to be unsure to select a correct setup.

3. What is the difference or benefit of a 2:35 vs 16:9. From some of the threads I have seen, there seems to be a loss of lumens or detail by making this switch.

Thanks

Room outlets are required by code every so many feet along the wall, basically no matter where you might put something along the wall that you will be able to plug it in with a 6 ft cord. One 15 amp circuit for the receptacles that you will will never use (except for running the vacuum) will be fine for the HT room. There is a little more here in our counties basement finishing guide see pages 9 and 10:

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpwes/publications/basements/details.pdf

As for the Equipment stack area, 2 dedicated 20 amp circuits is the standard overkill one size fits all recommendation. You will probably only need one. You also need to plan how to power the projector and whether you want to condition the power. There are 100s of threads addressing this topic. Search on "projector outlet" Lastly you need to plan for lighting circuits and they should be separate from every thing already mentioned. Don't forget step lights in the riser on a dimmer.

Equipment. Big topic basically it helps to have a budget then do research in your price range. A good starter projector would be the Panasonic 4000 shipping sometime after you finish the room. Less than $1999. (This projector deserves a 2.35 screen)

2.35 versus 16:9, for this you need to go up to the CIH forum and read the stickies. I have 16:9 but I have plans to switch because watching letter-boxed movies on my screen is too small. If I were to get a bigger 16:9 screen so that letter boxed movies were bigger than 16:9 material would be too big. IMHO The best solution is a screen with automatic masking. There are many here who make their own screens with masking The Flaming Oak build thread is an excellent example. This will get you started in your research:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=554901

http://www.pjbj.ca/uploaded_images/shed_done-706056.jpg

I basically 'finished' my soundproofed HT/Media room in December, basically a big room with GG etc, reclining theater seats and a 120" DIY screen.

http://www.pjbj.ca/labels/home%20theater.html

I then also built a shed in the backyard in the spring of 2009.... blogged a bit about it

http://www.pjbj.ca/labels/shed.html

There seems to be a very high correlation between HT builders and Shed builders.

Equipment. Big topic basically it helps to have a budget then do research in your price range. A good starter projector would be the Panasonic 4000 shipping sometime after you finish the room. Less than $1999. (This projector deserves a 2.35 screen)

Agreed, the new Panasonic is shaping up to be a terrific buy and should go hand in hand with a 2:35:1 screen due to its memory lens setting.

BTW, nice job on the shed Jeff!

What ever happened with the truck?

What ever happened with the truck?

Last week was a total bust for outside construction. Not only did my truck crap out, but it practically rained non stop for 5 days.

OK, the truck needed a new starter, seems 18 years was all it had to give.

This week I've made some progress. Got all the remaining sheathing on, the double wide metal door installed and one of the two end gables cut and installed. I would have the other but the bottom sheet of board in my pickup took on too much water to be used.

Tomorrow, the other gable and hopefully the roof sheathing, then I've got to get the drip edge, tar paper, shingles and skylights on. Hopefully all that by the end of the week if the weather cooperates. Next week vinyl siding.

Last week was a total bust for outside construction. Not only did my truck crap out, but it practically rained non stop for 5 days.

OK, the truck needed a new starter, seems 18 years was all it had to give.

This week I've made some progress. Got all the remaining sheathing on, the double wide metal door installed and one of the two end gables cut and installed. I would have the other but the bottom sheet of board in my pickup took on too much water to be used.

Tomorrow, the other gable and hopefully the roof sheathing, then I've got to get the drip edge, tar paper, shingles and skylights on. Hopefully all that by the end of the week if the weather cooperates. Next week vinyl siding.

All this and no pictures, whats the fun in that, I hope with the roof work and drip edge you will have some. How about gutters, are you planning those?

Who said there wouldn't be pictures?

Door, The WAF was for a real door, not something made by the shed builder that you see on so many sheds. So we ordered a double wide metal covered 6 panel door that matches the other doors on our house. It sat under a tarp for several days as it rained. Finally it stopped raining and I called over the neighbor for 15 minutes to help me lift it into place. The door has a composite wood frame and came with an attached brick molding also composite. The door will probably last longer than the shed builder.

So here is the door in place from the outside

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Inside, screwed in place at the hinge locations, I also tried out some new composite shims and I really liked them. Notice that you attach the out-
swing door on the inside. So once you set it in place it's a good idea to have a way of getting to the inside without opening the door which comes shipped with a spacer between the two door edges which helps during the installation. So leave off at least one section of sheathing.

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Sheathing, just one little trick to working alone and getting the panels lined up: It is pretty hard to hold a 4x8 sheet in place with your left hand and hold a pneumatic Nailer in your right. With a block on the one corner it makes it possible.

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OK, need to put sheathing on the gables. I figured it would be a lot easier to do flat rather than up on the shed. So first I traced what piece I needed

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Cut it out and attached it, then traced the remaining piece.

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Here she is all dressed:

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Here she is on her throne:

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Stunning work as usual BIG. I love the doors (excellent choice Mrs. BIG)...looking more and more like a two-seater dedicated room to me ;).

Excellent workmanship Big. Can't wait to see more progress pictures.

Thanks guys, off to HD after breakfast. Whole wheat French toast, turkey sausage, Mrs Buttersworth sugar free syrup and COFFEE. About 380 calories.

Brilliant work, I love the block on the corner to help support. So simple, but yet many probably have no idea.

Thanks guys, off to HD after breakfast. Whole wheat French toast, turkey sausage, Mrs Buttersworth sugar free syrup and COFFEE. About 380 calories.

Please don't tell me you order off the "seniors" menu at Denny's, too.

380 calories....PSHAW! You probably burn more than that just lifting that Harmony remote.

Please don't tell me you order off the "seniors" menu at Denny's, too.



I'll take any discount people are willing to give me. But I do hate it when I get the senior discount and they didn't ask my age.

Brilliant work, I love the block on the corner to help support. So simple, but yet many probably have no idea.

for my Board and Batten shed, I screwed a 2x4 ledge to the base to make sure all the boards aligned, then removed it when done.....

P

Who said there wouldn't be pictures?

Door, The WAF was for a real door, not something made by the shed builder that you see on so many sheds. So we ordered a double wide metal covered 6 panel door that matches the other doors on our house. It sat under a tarp for several days as it rained. Finally it stopped raining and I called over the neighbor for 15 minutes to help me lift it into place. The door has a composite wood frame and came with an attached brick molding also composite. The door will probably last longer than the shed builder.

So here is the door in place from the outside

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF1701.jpg



Big,

What kind of price were you able to get on the door (if you don't mind me asking)? I'm in the planning stages and trying to decide between a double door like this or a roll up style door. I have found some roll up style doors for about $250, seems to be about half of what I was quoted for a double door.

It is a Therma-Tru, tradition line and was $471.58 plus tax. MSRP for the door, the rot resistant jamb, the bumper threshold and pre-drilling the door was $639.

It is a Therma-Tru, tradition line and was $471.58 plus tax. MSRP for the door, the rot resistant jamb, the bumper threshold and pre-drilling the door was $639.

I thought so. I got prices starting at $535, but that was for a standard wood jamb (who wants that anymore?). That is about half of what my last shed cost to build. :(

Thanks!

Yea, the door is disproportionately expensive relative to the overall expense of the shed, WAF is my only excuse.

I imagine if I hung out on Craig's list for several months a suitable used door might pop up.

Progress report, this rain is killing me.

Yea, the door is disproportionately expensive relative to the overall expense of the shed, WAF is my only excuse.

I imagine if I hung out on Craig's list for several months a suitable used door might pop up.

Progress report, this rain is killing me.

Yup, I plan to check our Craig's List and also a local salvage yard usually has some nice doors. Maybe I will get lucky! :rolleyes:

Finding an out-swing exterior door is usually the issue unless you are willing to install it backwards.

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Ooooooh, do I see a JVC RS25/35 in your future? Assuming that since you went the lens route the Panny is off the table.

Nice....now I have serious lens envy!

Ooh - aah. Nice pick up.

You going to use your original SmX roll or seek out whatever improvements have come out since the group buy? As a fellow group buy purchaser w/less budget I am planning to stick with the original formula.

I think I might step up to the new SeymourAV center stage fabric. My original fabric was back when Rubin had his Optoma 720P projector. Anyone want a roll from Rubin's initial group buy? I will not ship. but if you are local give me a holler. Also a 100 inch 16:9 Stewart Firehawk will be available after proof of concept.

Ooooooh, do I see a JVC RS25/35 in your future?

Didn't you see post 722?

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If you still have it when you put this together I'd be interested in a comparison. I can be talked into upgrades. . . .

I think I might step up to the new SeymourAV center stage fabric. My original fabric was back when Rubin had his Optoma 720P projector. Anyone want a roll from Rubin's initial group buy? I will not ship. but if you are local give me a holler. Also a 100 inch 16:9 Stewart Firehawk will be available after proof of concept.

so you just have a roll of ruebens smx screen material laying around? now thats funny.

so you just have a roll of ruebens smx screen material laying around? now thats funny.

Not any funnier than my Carver Sonic Holographic stereo Pre-amp that is gathering dust. Make me an offer.

There seems to be a very high correlation between HT builders and Shed builders.
I think its because our wives make us build it after putting up with us while we build our "theaters", we do it but build it as if someday we may be living in it! :)

My shed:
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Let me know how you like that Planar. That is my top choice I am looking at right now. :)

Not any funnier than my Carver Sonic Holographic stereo Pre-amp that is gathering dust. Make me an offer.

where were you a few weeks back, now that i have a Carada BW I have no need anymore...

My bad on the Planar. Now I recall after seeing your pic again. I too am very curious to hear your initial impressions. That's a DLP right?

Queen DLP, right,

My initial reaction was influenced by the reviews and the test results of Tom Huffman, (my actual machine) so part of what I saw might be Psychological.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16324507&postcount=225


When I fired it up, the image was good and sharp and the colors seemed much more natural. Maybe it was because I was expecting it, but anyway I am happy. Like many you can ponder whether you made the right decision such as should I have waited and just went with the new Panasonic at about a quarter of what I will have invested to get this projector fully implemented. Or how about the new Infocus coming out. Then there is the RS35. It's maddening.

This is a handheld shot, a little more blurry than the actual and the yellowish tint was as filmed . Anyway another serving of Megan Fox over metal, Michael Bay's homage to the looking under the hood picture from Transformers I.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSC02904.jpg

so you just have a roll of ruebens smx screen material laying around? now thats funny.

I'm not finding that funny at all. Not that I have one too, or anything. This COULD turn out to be the one thing I regret buying early. And I bought a Denon 3806. OK, TWO things I may regret buying early. AND an SVS Sonotube. THREE, THREE things I may regret....

BUT I HAVEN'T BOUGHT A PROJECTOR YET. That Panny 4K is looking pretty good.

Tom, you may want to set your sights on the 5000!

Queen DLP, right,

My initial reaction was influenced by the reviews and the test results of Tom Huffman, (my actual machine) so part of what I saw might be Psychological.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16324507&postcount=225


When I fired it up, the image was good and sharp and the colors seemed much more natural. Maybe it was because I was expecting it, but anyway I am happy. Like many you can ponder whether you made the right decision such as should I have waited and just went with the new Panasonic at about a quarter of what I will have invested to get this projector fully implemented. Or how about the new Infocus coming out. Then there is the RS35. It's maddening.

This is a handheld shot, a little more blurry than the actual and the yellowish tint was as filmed . Anyway another serving of Megan Fox over metal, Michael Bay's homage to the looking under the hood picture from Transformers I.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSC02904.jpg
Big is this with the Lens?

Big is this with the Lens?

Not yet, still in the box.

Figured so. Good approach to see the difference once installed. Be interested in your take on the visual improvement, adding a lens is somewhat spendy

So whats bad about the SMX screen? I have a roll waiting for the appropriate time to install.

WAIT! Back the truck up. Did someone say "Panny 5000?"

So whats bad about the SMX screen? I have a roll waiting for the appropriate time to install.

Ruben is now on his third generation fabric each was a step forward. As I understand the step to #2 made an improvement with the moire problem at 1080P resolution, I think 3# went further and I think was a smoother surface

I have version 1. If I am going to DIY a screen I think I want to put the best DIY fabric on it. I think right now that is the Seymour.

But if someone has a different opinion I would like to hear it.

WAIT! Back the truck up. Did someone say "Panny 5000?"

Remember I have an Internet connection so fast I can see the future.

So whats bad about the SMX screen? I have a roll waiting for the appropriate time to install.

Hopefully nothing. That original screen material was tested/recommended using older 720p projectors. I don't recall seeing any tests of that particular material used with the newer 1080i/p projectors. It's possible (notice I said "possible") that the weave of that material and the pixel size of a 1080 projector MAY (notice I said, MAY) not work as well. Rueben HAS identified material that he HAS tested with 1080 projectors. The problem is the manufacturers figured out what he was using their material for, raised the price substatntially and then started to market it as "screen material."

I've seen some prices of manufactured AT screens coming down, so the DIY aspect/cost savings of it may not be there any longer.

Remember I have an Internet connection so fast I can see the future.


...and fast enough to get a reply in while I was still typing....

I didn't get in right away on the SMX material. I got in when he was not allowed to sell it for DIY, then had a small opening where he could sell it again, before closeing it to DIY for good. That is when I jumped in.

Guess I will try it and see if it works, if not, then I will research whatever is next to try.

Same here. I don't think it was that he wasn't ALLOWED to sell it for DIY, but that he converted over to a true business model making screens. It was a somewhat sudden announcemnt, a lot of guys said if they had known they woud have purchased, so a small window opened up for people who had expressed an interest earlier.

I thought I had heard some of his distributors he wanted to sell through would not accept his stuff if he undersold them and just sold the material himself to us lowely DIYers. So before that contract was finalized he had one last opportunity for us.

Ruben is now on his third generation fabric each was a step forward. As I understand the step to #2 made an improvement with the moire problem at 1080P resolution, I think 3# went further and I think was a smoother surface

I have version 1. If I am going to DIY a screen I think I want to put the best DIY fabric on it. I think right now that is the Seymour.

But if someone has a different opinion I would like to hear it.

I have to agree with you on this Big. If I were building my screen today I would be using Seymour's XD. If I ever upgrade my projector to a 1080P model I will swap out my screen material for it. When I built my screen I used a screen spline which will allow me to easily swap it out.

I have an unused roll of the PF4500 that I will try to figure out how to use for teh back yard movies and will be using the Semour AV XD as well. Tried to half heartily sell the 4500 with no success.

PF4500 is now at $50 yard ( it was lower) so the 4 yards Ruben sold me at $300 in now worth $200 new.

http://www.interiormall.com/cat/nsample.asp?ID=113044&t=2182

Compare that to Seymours 60 bucks a yard or $19.95 per linear ft and easily one would choose the XD with the better weave and a small increase in gain as well.

Tom, you may want to set your sights on the 5000!

Remember I have an Internet connection so fast I can see the future.

Did you have your glasses on - sure you must have missed a 0 on that model #

My glasses are for distance, I take them off when I'm looking at the future on the Internet.

It's Seymour for me, unless something better get's introduced in the next few years before I'm ready to actually buy it:rolleyes: Wait a minute, did I just say that or was it the ghost of Logan speaking through me:eek: WOOOOOO, WOOOOO.

PF4500 is now at $50 yard ( it was lower) so the 4 yards Ruben sold me at $300 in now worth $200 new.

WOW! Just like my stock portfolio, such as it is.

PF4500 is now at $50 yard ( it was lower) so the 4 yards Ruben sold me at $300 in now worth $200 new.

http://www.interiormall.com/cat/nsample.asp?ID=113044&t=2182


Yep and that is what I paid and tried to sell for a buck fitty with no nibbles.

Talked to the wife last night about screen material... and it is official, I will be using the SMX material if I want to even think about finishing the rest of the project...

Talked to the wife last night about screen material... and it is official, I will be using the SMX material if I want to even think about finishing the rest of the project...

Discretion is the better part of valor. I passed on having that conversation for similar reasons.

Talked to the wife last night about screen material...

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/hanesian/leaarn.jpg

I know, its that whole easier to ask for forgiveness than permission thing...

I didn't get in right away on the SMX material. I got in when he was not allowed to sell it for DIY, then had a small opening where he could sell it again, before closeing it to DIY for good. That is when I jumped in.

That's what I'm using as well. I think that was his 2nd gen stuff. It looks fine to me.

CJ

...I think 3# went further and I think was a smoother surface.

IIRC, the 3rd gen material was made with a fine enough weave to handle 4k projector images.

CJ

I'm not finding that funny at all. Not that I have one too, or anything. This COULD turn out to be the one thing I regret buying early. And I bought a Denon 3806. OK, TWO things I may regret buying early. AND an SVS Sonotube. THREE, THREE things I may regret....

BUT I HAVEN'T BOUGHT A PROJECTOR YET. That Panny 4K is looking pretty good.

I feel your pain. I got in on that last chance offer for SMX. It was in June 2007. I have 13' of material still sitting in the original shipping box! How sad.

I'm pretty sure it is the second gen stuff, so I am going to give it a go. Unless of course the material deteriorates before I hang it.:)

I thought we were building a shed, who cares about some archaic screen material that doesnt even work with 1080p projectors.

Today I buy shingles. Coming up this weekend: Pictures of covering soffits, J molding the gable, dressing the outside corners, Drip edges, and putting on roofing felt, for all the SHED-HEADS following along.

Most people your age try to avoid shingles, and now you are going out looking to buy the stuff.

Another rain delay day. When will it end?

Another rain delay day. When will it end?

You didn't by chance hear a voice telling you to build your shed 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high, did you?

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/hanesian/5167b8c7.jpg

You didn't by chance hear a voice telling you to build your shed 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high, did you?

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/hanesian/5167b8c7.jpg

Riiiight...

What's a cubit?

and, just who is going to clean up that $hit?

and, just who is going to clean up that $hit?

I'm inclined to believe it would be Ham, Shem, and Japheth.;)

Another rain delay day. When will it end?

I am about a day's weather to the West of you so you should have some sun tomorrow. More light rain is on the forcast for tomorrow so you better work fast.:eek:

I see sun!

I see you replying to a thread at 11:00am. What happened to the sun and why are you not shed-building?

It was 11:20, I had just got home from my Kick-boxing class and I was recharging my batteries. Then had to have some lunch.

yeah, yeah, yeah....everybody has an excuse. GET TO WORK!

Actually went out and found I need to wait some more for the roofing felt to dry out.

Wait?!

Just stand up on the roof with a leaf blower to help the drying process!

Actually from what I've read if it doesn't flatten out when it dries out I'll be tearing it out and putting down a fresh layer. Sigh........... may have to wait as I've got some things planned starting Wednesday.

A
My Outlaw only has 5.1 analog in. So while I have will have sound It won't be 7. I've been waiting for the new Outlaw pre/pro or the new Emotiva pre/pro, I might have to look at getting something sooner than I planned. Or pick up something in the interim.


Thought you were coming and picking up the speakers, remember <<< Click here >>> (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15679960&postcount=360) Any who the Onkyo PR-SC886 is working pretty sweet ;) Updated picks thru the link above.

Sigh........... may have to wait as I've got some things planned starting Wednesday.

Ya, more rain. :mad:

I don't think I will be getting my leaves up anytime soon. Enough of this crap already.

Yep, we went from summer to rain and cold and it has not let up. Man I wish I lived in a nice climate. Well hey its going to get colder and then it will snow for 4-5 months, I guess we have somrthing to look forward too :p

So where are the finished pics of this shed. It was a beautiful weekend. Are you planning on having to shovel snow off to finish it or what. Man, you almost had me motivated to build mine before the flakes flew but I have been working 50ish hours so that just doesn't seem to be happening.

Are frozen two by fours easier to work on? Does thermal gloves make it hurt less when you slam your finger with the hammer??? Is it all part of the master plan???

I spent all the good days in NY. Got back Sunday night and spent Monday afternoon and today teaching myself how to shingle. Right now I think I rate it less than mudding and taping on the list of things to avoid if I can. Of course I'm not totally done and it is supposed to rain again!

I'd rate shingling right up there "in the miserable jobs" category along with being a mason tender. I worked on a 3 person crew one summer in my college years. We did a strip mall roof and the day consisted of getting there, climbing on the roof, putting down 40 square of shingles, then go home. A solid week and a half or so of that put me off pursuing it as a career:rolleyes:

It's not the shingling that is the hassle. For the shed sized roof, half the job you are standing on a ladder. Then the rest you have to go up on the roof, In my younger days I could probably just jump off the thing without even thinking about it. At my age if I were to slip off the edge I would probably break a bone in my foot/ankle. Then there is the fact that I have some overhanging branches. Just makes me cautious.

Did I mention there was a parade in NY?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF1995.jpg

It got a little messy

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2012.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2021.jpg

Oh for the winner of the so called World Series

At my age if I were to slip off the edge I would probably break a bone in my foot/ankle.

At your age, I was thinking it would more likely be a hip. :D

Shouldn't have clicked on your thread today, just brings back the pain!!! Look at my location for ref. of course.

My forecast:

Today Rain
Thursday Rain
Friday Rain
Saturday Rain.

How am I supposed to get this shed done?

My forecast:

Today Rain
Thursday Rain
Friday Rain
Saturday Rain.

How am I supposed to get this shed done?

Four words: Big tarp... Tall poles

oh, and maybe a leaf blower to dry things out...
Oh, and make sure the poles don't act as lighting rods..
Oh, and you will need a topper for that truck for supplies.
Oh, and watch out that electricity and water don't mix
Oh, and maybe a dehumidifier... oh wait that won't work

Did I mention that snow is easier to shovel?

Oh... nevermind... your screwed.

Did I mention there was a parade in NY?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF1995.jpg



BIG, this is too funny! I was at the parade too and it appears that I was right across the street from you :eek:. I was standing in the area near that Pret a Manger sign. My dad is a die-hard Yankees fan and I wanted to expose him to his very first ticker tape parade. My dad, brother and I were all perched up on newspaper stacks, second row behind the barricade.

I'm posting a couple pictures where you might be able to find yourself :D. Who's your favorite player? I got some pretty good shots and can post them here if you like.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/queendvd2/DSC_0171.jpg

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/queendvd2/DSC_0203.jpg

Is that YOUR arm I see?

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/queendvd2/DSC_0185.jpg

Too funny, actually it wasn't until very late in the parade that we found a secret path to the street that wasn't blocked by the police by going through a restaurant that had a back and front door. The shot I took was about the only player we were actually close enough to see.

We did however see four of the players at the taping of Letterman on Thursday.

From what I could tell from my previous far distant viewing position the parade was all about creating an opportunity for all the season ticket holders, politicians, Press, groundskeepers, and their cousins to ride in a ticker-tape parade. It seemed that the ratio of people of interest to people in the parade was less than 1 in 100.

We really didn't have an interest in the team only in seeing the spectacle, similar to the inauguration we went to.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF0998.jpg

Maybe so, BIG, but I think I found you in Queen's shot anyway. :D

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/hanesian/DSC_0185.jpg

Queen are you in this shot?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF1990.jpg

Maybe so, BIG, but I think I found you in Queen's shot anyway. :D



Caught!

Oh... nevermind... your screwed.


I may have to rent one of those outdoor heaters to finish this thing.

Queen are you in this shot?



I think you may have gotten my dad's head. I remember he was standing right in front of that grey pole. Both he and my brother were wearing dark navy snow hats and had on Yankee jackets. I might even have a hard time seeing myself since I had a black hood on with no Yankee gear. That big fat guy is blocking the great picture you might have gotten of me at the parade!

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/queendvd2/yp-1.jpg

I may have to rent one of those outdoor heaters to finish this thing.


Suposed to be dry for Sunday onwards.

Is it covered or will you need to let is dry out?

Nevermind where's Waldo. Let's play Where's Biggie and Queen!!! Too Funny.

Queen? Is that you with the camera pressed to your forehead to the left of the guy holding his cell phone?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/WhereisQueen.jpg

Is it covered or will you need to let is dry out?

I only need to finish half of the back. When it clears up I may just rip off and replace a bit of the roofing felt to speed up the process

Queen? Is that you with the camera pressed to your forehead to the left of the guy holding his cell phone?


I was shooting with a DSLR and a telephoto lens, not a point and shoot. You see that guy on the far right with the baseball cap turned backward. I was diagonally behind him. I remember that other circled guy as well behind him with the really big face.

The square is my brother's hand filming with my flip, while the Q is where I was. So close BIG! Thanks for trying.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/queendvd2/WhereisQueen-1.jpg

This is like the Zapruder film - frame by frame analysis! :cool:

Only without the tragedy. Much better.

P.S. I mean other than the minor tragedy of the Yankees winning again.

Just build the shed inside one of these:
http://en.wikivisual.com/images/c/c5/CircusTent02.jpg

Queen I looked through my pics and found one more from a different angle: I see a an older guy and a younger version in blue stocking caps. I see a couple of dark hoodies?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/whereisqueen2.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF0998.jpg

I bet the smell is just as good as the view.....:D

Queen I looked through my pics and found one more from a different angle: I see a an older guy and a younger version in blue stocking caps. I see a couple of dark hoodies?


BIG, you found me, albeit just the top of my head :rolleyes:! Clear as day, you got my dad and my brother. Unfortunately, with my height challenged status (as hanes can attest to), I fear I won't be visible in any of your pics. But how cool is that we were on the same part of the street for the parade. I had heard there were like 1-2 million people there. Imagine the odds of us being in the same spot!

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/queendvd2/whereisqueen2-1.jpg

Ok, I gotta hit the sack. I have an 8:30 am meeting tomorrow :eek:! I'll be sure to show my dad and brother your pic tomorrow evening.

You know, on CSI this picture wouldnt be so grainy, it would be cleaned up and super crisp and sharp. BIG, I am disappointed you would put such a poor quality out there. I want to be able to make out faces.

Rain again this morning, so I'm guessing no shed building unless the circus came to town last night?

I have most of a roll of roofing felt from cathan if you need it. I'll only need about 25 feet to put under my stage. The rest is yours if you want it.

You know, on CSI this picture wouldnt be so grainy, it would be cleaned up and super crisp and sharp. BIG, I am disappointed you would put such a poor quality out there. I want to be able to make out faces.

Here is the original photo, If you have any CSI software let me know what it is.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2006.jpg

I bet the smell is just as good as the view.....:D

Here was the view:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF0995.jpg

You know, on CSI this picture wouldnt be so grainy, it would be cleaned up and super crisp and sharp. BIG, I am disappointed you would put such a poor quality out there. I want to be able to make out faces.

On CSI they would be able to image DNA from everyone within a mile of the shot using the reflection off of eyeballs in the crowd. Must be great to get to ignore physics when doing your job.

I thought that DHS already did that......

Here is the original photo, If you have any CSI software let me know what it is.



maybe they have different cameras, making it all possible...not really sure :rolleyes:

It got a little messy

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2012.jpg

That wasn't from the parade, that is just New York...

BIG, any progress\updates on the Shed?

Roof is on, vinyl siding going up now.

BIG, tried shooting you a PM, but it got bounced.

OK, paid my dues.

Wow, Jeff your shed looks awesome!

It has been a few months since I have been looking over here in the Dedicated Theater section and what do you know, you nearly finished a shed.

Nick, when are you going to start the project in that massive basement of yours?

If it wasn't for the Fracking rain today I would have finished the siding. Right now three sides are done. If it isn't coming down in the AM I should finish the front in time for lunch.

couple of shots:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2115.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2148.jpg

Is that sunlight poking through? I cant believe it.

Looks great, it is just hte way the picture was taken, or is the shed really on a steep incline?

Looks great, it is just the way the picture was taken, or is the shed really on a steep incline?


I think there is a 8 inch variation from front right to left rear. That is the reason I choose the foundation system I did.

HeyNow will be moving in soon :)

I think there is a 8 inch variation from front right to left rear. That is the reason I choose the foundation system I did.

Yeah, for some reason it looks way steeper in the picture to me. But 8 inches in that few feet could be alot? I have no idea.

HeyNow will be moving in soon :)

Yep, Bubba is comin' home!

i promised a status report of my not quite done ht1.0 what remains is a wall treatment above the back bar and under the marquee. Then i intend to do a custom back lit poster for the wall next to the stairway.

If you have a sharp eye you will note that i repainted the third row back bar and redid all the trim molding to lighten it up. My original paint was too dark and you couldn't even see the bar stools sitting in front because there was no contrast.
Anyway here are some shots i took this evening:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250012.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250014.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250021.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250029.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250034.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250035.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250043.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250055.jpg


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/theater%20dec%202008/2008_11250070.jpg


sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmmmm those pictures are still there not certain why that message is popping up?

HeyNow will be moving in soon :)
It's got a deadbolt lock

OK, took me a little longer today than anticipated but I wrapped up the vinyl stage. Now, I swear the weather gods are mocking me because as soon as I finished the siding the sun started peaking through the clouds after a couple of miserable days.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2155.jpg

Now I need to
finish a little detail work on the soffit corners,
paint the floor
paint the outside trim
build shelves
build the ramp/landing
move crap in.

The outside painting may have to wait until spring unless we get a spurt of warmer weather.

Looks good!

I was expecting a step by step of the siding install though. ;)

Looks good!

I was expecting a step by step of the siding install though. ;)

Coming soon, it really was pretty simple.

Coming soon, it really was pretty simple.

Glad to hear that! It is the only part of my upcoming build that I have yet to do before. My plans have been submitted to my HOA, just awaiting approval. :rolleyes:

There is a pretty good write up on the Mastic siding web site:

http://www.mastic.com/Homeowner/Learning_Center/Install_Instructions/General.aspx

I also googled some other "Installing vinyl siding" web sites to flush out the details.

I hope you detail the ramp build as i am not a fan of the one I've got.

I hope you detail the ramp build as i am not a fan of the one I've got.

I was wondering how he was going to tackle that big step.

BIG, this may seem like a dumb question but with the shed being so big and so nicely constructed do you have to worry about water (i.e. gutters) or is that a non-issue since yours is elevated?

Queen It sits well above ground level so I'm not too worried about not having gutters. Also since the ground is sloped it does dry out at some point. Right now with all the rain and my stomping around, mud is my biggest problem.

Queen It sits well above ground level so I'm not too worried about not having gutters. Also since the ground is sloped it does dry out at some point. Right now with all the rain and my stomping around, mud is my biggest problem.

I was thinking no gutter too at one point but the rain runs off the roof and splashes onto the shed, now the lower few feet is dirty all the way around. Next year, gutters...

Quote:
Originally Posted by BritInVA
HeyNow will be moving in soon

It's got a deadbolt lock

Just keep an eye out for any holes that may get chewed into the side or the floor. They ALWAYS find a way in. And once they're in, there's NO getting rid of them.

Some of the other signs to watch out for....you might have HeyNow^ living in the shed if....

there's a rusted car out front, you might have HeyNow.
someone knocks on your door and asks if that refrigerator out front is free, you might have HeyNow.
there are Christmas lights still up and ON in June, you might have HeyNow.
you notice a distinct lack of possums, you might have HeyNow.

Some of the other signs to watch out for....you might have HeyNow^ living in the shed if....



you notice chewing tobacco spit all over your yard, you might have HeyNow.

you start hearing the banjo, you might have HeyNow.

every night you start hearing, good night Mama, good night Ben, good night everyone, good night Mama, good night Daddy, good night children, good night Daddy, good night Elizabeth, good night John Boy, good night Jim Bob, good night Jim Bob, GOOD NIGHT JIM BOB, whats going on I was asleep, whats everybody doing, good night Jim Bob, you might have HeyNow.

I was thinking no gutter too at one point but the rain runs off the roof and splashes onto the shed, now the lower few feet is dirty all the way around. Next year, gutters...
I didn't put gutters on my last shed and the lower foot or so of the shed was always dirty from water splashing on the mulch. My new shed will be getting gutters and a 4" corrugated pipe to take the water to the ditch behind my yard. Or I may install a small rain barrel and use the runoff to water some plants in the backyard.

Roflmao...

Great build thread! Lovin' the shed :p

BIG, I love the idea of a third row counter with stools. Do you know how far it is from your screen wall to the back of the stools? I will probably have 25' between my screen wall and my back wall. Trying to come up with my layout at the moment.

The front of the bar is about 18 ft from the screen. Then you need the width of the bar top and then room for seating. My riser is 6ft 8 inches deep. With your 2 ft deep screen wall It would give you 5 ft for bar and seating which would be doable but tight. This is where building your theater 12 inches longer might make all the difference.

It pisses me off that I can't build a shed in my subdivision. I could really use one like yours. It turned out great, nice job!

Jeff, it seem that you are almost finish with the shed. Can you let me know when will you haul it to my backyard. I would like to be home when you do. lol..

Ps: If the HOA say no to the shed....Can you refund me?

OK, just spent the whole day reading your entire thread. Your theater is awesome! I am building an Irish pub in my basement. Wish I saw some of your ideas before I went ahead and started.
Special hello to the shed-heads!

Can't wait to see progress on HT 2.0!

Oh I forgot- When is the big get together? Even tho I am in New York, would still be pretty cool come down and see it in person.

I could return the favor and have all you guys over for free beer.

i hate this thread cuz ill never have enough mula to do what he did

i hate this thread cuz ill never have enough mula to do what he did

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/hanesian/funny035.jpg

It's not enough that I do well. Everyone else has to do poorly.

:p

Oh I forgot- When is the big get together? Even tho I am in New York, would still be pretty cool come down and see it in person.

I'll second this - how about a New Years Eve party, Big? It would be just the excuse I need to get out of the wife's current plans (and it would probably be cheaper too! :rolleyes:).

You didn't by chance hear a voice telling you to build your shed 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high, did you?

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/hanesian/5167b8c7.jpg

I always do a double take when I see that structure west of Frederick, MD.

BTW: Big mouth, I'm envious. Love the setups. (Basement and backyard)

big,
Is there any shots of your theater in its present state?

chester

There are no visible changes as I been focused on other areas. Right now I have my new Planar 8150 sitting on a box on my back bar and a 40' HDMI cable running on the floor. I also have some assembled kitchen cabinets waiting to go into my beach place.

I also have a stack of obsolete gear that is in a pile that I need to dispose of: an Epson 1200 large format color printer, an Apple 1705 CRT monitor, and a keyboard, Anyone local that can put these to use drop me an PM.

Big,
If I build a theater using all of the tried and true sound proofing that many people on avs used I would be able to have a bar similar to yours in the theater?

chester

Putting a back bar inside a well soundproofed room does not affect the soundproofing. You just need the room.

Sure, you just need to build your soundproofing shell out further to contain the bar also.

Then there is the noise of bar appliances - my refrigerator makes a bit of noise..... but then so does my PJ :(

I was thinking about a third row sit at bar when I first answered. It you are talking about a wet bar at the back of the room the only thing you have to worry about is treating the wall penetrations so that sound doesn't leak out the holes you drill for plumbing connections. Did I do it?, no, can you hear the theater upstairs?, yes.

On the refrigerator if it ended up being too much of a problem I would put a wall switch in a convenient location (near the door) to cut the power to the Refrigerator during critical listening events. You just gotta remember to turn it back on that's why putting it somewhere where you can see it on the way out would be a good idea. I imagine some kind of a delay switch might help the truly absent minded.

Big,
Thank you

chester

:DOn the refrigerator if it ended up being too much of a problem I would put a wall switch in a convenient location (near the door) to cut the power to the Refrigerator during critical listening events. You just gotta remember to turn it back on that's why putting it somewhere where you can see it on the way out would be a good idea. I imagine some kind of a delay switch might help the truly absent minded.

I think I would have to a have a 3' toggle switch that would close off my stairwell in the off position. In order to get up the steps you would need to open the "gate".

I think that adding some sort of relay switch and a Harmony action "Turn fridge back on" to the remote activity "Off" would be very cool - especially for those of us lazy enough to complain about having to remember to "open the gate". ;)

Or just have a button that shuts it off for 3 hours, then automatically turns it back on.

Or just use dry ice...or get rid of the fridge. I think after constant trips upstairs for drink you will be convinced that the little noise the fridge and ice maker do make is tolerable...

Looks good!

I was expecting a step by step of the siding install though. ;)

Coming soon, it really was pretty simple.

Hey Big, are you still panning to show us your siding installation in more detail? How is the rest of the list coming along? Have you moved stuff in yet?

With no shed work in the winter, I expect some bathroom pictures soon

Actually I ripped my beach condo kitchen down to the studs just so I can rebuild it

before:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCN1261.jpg

A week ago:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2163.jpg

OK, for the Shed Heads I owe some details on the Vinyl siding. So basically you start with a Naked OSB skinned shed. (no house wrap was used, it's only a shed)

First you put on the corner and J channels.

I like jigs rather than repeated measurements. So here is a 4x4 inch jig for the outside corners.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2130.jpg

Then you use the jig and draw some lines 4 inches in from the edges of all the corners.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2129.jpg

Bang up the corner wrap and integrated channel, you use special nails and you leave them 1/8 shy of tight so the stuff can expand.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2133.jpg

Now you need to put on the starter strips on the very bottom.

another jig

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2134.jpg

Hold it on the bottom frame

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2135.jpg

hold up the starter and bang in place

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2137.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2140.jpg

Now cut a piece of siding to fit with a little room for expansion on both ends:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2141.jpg

It hooks on the bottom starter strip and you bang it up:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2143.jpg

here is a shot of the hook on the bottom of the siding, see the hook,

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2145.jpg

you bring it up to the first row below final position and lift up, it will snap in place and actually hang there without nails. but you do nail it.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2146.jpg

Then just repeat a number of times going up the wall

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2147.jpg

On the gables there is a J channel nailed in place

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF1804.jpg

just one other small detail is you need to extend the corner pieces with j channel for a little bit on the corners.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF1791.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2118.jpg

At the top of the wall they sell a Finishing strip that goes inside the J channel nailed at the top and it holds the top edge of the siding,

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2121.jpg

I don't seem to have any pictures of the J channel around the door and windows but I'll add that when I go out to paint the trim, add the front ramp and finish a few minor cosmetic issues this spring.

Thanks for the pics Big!

I will have a slightly different setup at the top of my gables as I will have an overhang on the sides. Actually, now that I see your pics I may have to rethink my setup. :confused:

What did you use for the front fascia? Is that Hardie Board? I'm thinking of doing the same although I know someone with access to a brake so I may use flashing and match the house.

What did you use for the front fascia? Is that Hardie Board? I'm thinking of doing the same although I know someone with access to a brake so I may use flashing and match the house.

The big boards are AZEK plastic lumber, they stocked it at the siding place. I see HD now stocks them as well. I used stock metal drip edges from Lowes/HD.

very nice theater.very pleasing to the eye. just wondering what effect if any, the irregular shape had on sound quality?

One tip for anyone not as careful as Big was in leveling the shed....I guess these are not as critical in new builds, but when siding older buildings that are not as square and plumb as Big's.

You need to level that starter strip or by the time you get 5 or 6 courses up the wall you will be surprisingly off kilter. Trust me, I did this for a summer and learned really fast about that.

OK, TWO tips...

If two people are hanging siding (especially vinyl) you have to be careful that they hang it with the same touch. When attaching a row and snapping it in at the bottom, you need to let it hang there when you start to nail it in. It's pretty easy to "lift" it and get out of alignment, First thing you know, the corners of the two walls don't meet.

OK, THREE tips....

Those corner channels need to be plumb or you ruin into the same alignment issues.

Looks great Big!

Trust me, I did this for a summer and learned really fast about that.


Good thing I didn't know that before hand, I would have called in one of my markers.

Good thing I didn't know that before hand, I would have called in one of my markers.

Can't wait for the day when we call in those markers :cool:

Quote from the 1080p HD Demo Disv thread was apt

Oh, oh. That sounds familiar, oh Zen Godfather!

http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/hanesian/godfather.gif

Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day accept this justice as gift on my daughter's wedding day.

Hey Big,

Great looking theater!

Quick question....do you have any lighting/screen brightness issues with the bar lighting and theater in the same room? Does that have anything to do with why your bar is offset from the screen?

Thanks

Hey, thanks.

The third row sit at bar is aligned with the screen, the Arboroak Cinema Bar (ACB) is where it is because my basement is odd shaped.

I do have to watch the brightness of the ACB area and interestingly particularly the LED's under the bar top. But all are dimmers so it is not an issue.

Hey BIG, you getting any snow?

Yea, I think about 5-6 inches.

steam shower?
new projector screenines

Lets resurrect this thread...51 days

I have a long list of Logan excuses for not completing any major project but i have been busy.

My computers hard drive crashed and I had to re-install my operating system on a new drive. Of course the first time I used it there was a slight problem.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2763.jpg

Oh the joy of re-installing after a hard drive crash. Sympathize with you. Done it too often myself.

But silver lining is you can start afreash without all those programs you installed and never used :D

Look into WHS! It will definitely free you up from those annoying updates. I had a HD go bad on my spouse's PC (the bill pay/data/FARMVILLE PC) and I can't tell you how much aggrivation I saved myself by doing a backup restore from my WHS (no more reloading OS and ALSO programs!) As a plus, it also serves as a storage pool for my Media Files for playback in the Theater, as well as other rooms (Control4 Media Player, Windows 7 Media Center)
You can buy them outright from vendors like HP, or build them as many of us do.

David

Look into WHS!

+1

And if not, then one word applies: slipstream (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Eir&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___US326&q=slipstream+windows+vista&aq=f&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=). ;)

My computers hard drive crashed and I had to re-install my operating system on a new drive.
You too? I had two systems crash last week - one at home and one at work. I had to restore BOTH of them. I had recent backups on both of them so I didn't lose much data, but it is still a pain to recover from something like that.

I have all my personal files backed up (I actually have 2x backups of photos and documents on two separate drives) but obviously I am clueless about how to back up/restore the program files with ease. I have yet to master the use of the restore feature on my Seagate external drive.

Did you ever finish the punch list for the shed?

not 100%. This weekend I put on a ramp. Still need to do a little cosmetic fix on the eaves, paint and put down some more crushed stone around the perimeter.

Shot from 5 minutes ago out my office window. It turned cold, wet and a little nasty to do much outside so I'm working on my taxes.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/DSCF2778.jpg

not 100%. This weekend I put on a ramp. Still need to do a little cosmetic fix on the eaves, paint and put down some more crushed stone around the perimeter.

Shot from 5 minutes ago out my office window. It turned cold, wet and a little nasty to do much outside so I'm working on my taxes.


I'm not quite done yet either, but it is functional. Still have some caulking to do, underside of the soffits and cut the last piece of my ramp, then finally go through and organize everything.

Organize? just use the LIFO method.

Organize? just use the LIFO method.

If I did that I would be mowing the lawn with the kids bubble mower! :p

It turned cold, wet and a little nasty to do much outside so I'm working on my taxes.



Tax were done 3 weeks ago, refund received already and in the back. DONE!

Organize? just use the LIFO method.

Depends on the task. Then I choose LIFO or FIFO. Whichever is easiest? :p

Good thing you have the backups, at least that data isn't gone, but the reinstalling sure is a serious PITA.

I do video editing, and on my main box if I have to reinstall every app and get the system back to running just right it takes days... thankfully I've only had to do that once.



For BIG and the other guys with nice sheds, do you use a plow on a mower? I've been wanting to build a shed for the last few Summers, and the itch is starting again. The main large item to put in the shed would be the riding mower. However, I use the plow attachment on the mower for the driveway, and so I would have to store the mower in the garage anyway all Winter long... anyone go through that issue?

I had the mower, snow blower and everything else in the garage before the shed was completed. Keeping the Snow blower in the garage for those few months is not an issue.

On the nights before a big one I even park it facing out right inside the door.

Good thing you have the backups, at least that data isn't gone, but the reinstalling sure is a serious PITA.

I do video editing, and on my main box if I have to reinstall every app and get the system back to running just right it takes days... thankfully I've only had to do that once.



For BIG and the other guys with nice sheds, do you use a plow on a mower? I've been wanting to build a shed for the last few Summers, and the itch is starting again. The main large item to put in the shed would be the riding mower. However, I use the plow attachment on the mower for the driveway, and so I would have to store the mower in the garage anyway all Winter long... anyone go through that issue?

I don't have the snow problems. On the rare occasion that we get snow it is gone in a day or two tops. I just have a 36" walk behind and it fits nicely in my 10x12 that I just built. Plenty of room to walk around it and still get to everything.

looks awsome !!

Just to close out the Shed Project, Got around to painting the door and trim to match the house so now the shed is done, However I'm going to get another load of stone to put around the perimeter.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2808.jpg

Looks great Big!

Looks great Big!

+1, very nice.

Nice shed!

Ok, now I have shed envy. :(

It is already going into Wednesday of my week off and the Landscaping is kicking my rear. So much for the shed. Looks like it is going to have to be another drawn out project on nights and weekends.

Spectacular as always BIG!

So does this mean you will get to changing your screen?

Very nice! What did the finished dimensions end up being?

I am within a season or two of having to build a shed as well. Hopefully that build will go much faster than my theater!

Regards,

RTROSE

So does this mean you will get to changing your screen?

Yup this weekend I actually did all the necessary FINAL testing to verify screen size, exact projector mount location and experimented to see how much pin cushion to expect (luckily not much) so next step is the get the projector on the ceiling.

Very nice! What did the finished dimensions end up being?
RTROSE

The framing is right at 10x12. I never measured the roof peak height. This works out great in using up full sheets of materials.

Your theater is beautiful and Classy Great Work on your basement. I love to see when people sketch pencil drawings and see it come together. well done

Thanks Kampswas. Your sketches for the Star Wars theater are pretty neat. I look forward to seeing your finished product.

That room is amazing, BigMouth. The bar, in particular, is simply beautiful. Thank you very much for sharing :)

Just to close out the Shed Project, Got around to painting the door and trim to match the house so now the shed is done, However I'm going to get another load of stone to put around the perimeter.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/SHED/DSCF2808.jpg

what did you use under the ramp to bring it level like that? I need to raise mine and get it level to the door, but cant figure out the best solution, yours looks very nice

what did you use under the ramp to bring it level like that? I need to raise mine and get it level to the door, but cant figure out the best solution, yours looks very nice


I basically built a "riser frame", attached the first deck board then put some bricks and scraps of wood under the edge next to the door until it was snug under the door threshold. then I ran about a dozen deck screws through the step platform frame and the shed perimeter floor joist. I also put scrap bricks and crushed stone under the rest of the platform frame riser. My yard is sloped up from the front of the shed so the platform is basically built into the hill but does slope down a bit from the door.

I plan to put down some more crushed stone where you see dirt in foreground.

Update: HT 2.0 for 2010 is now in full gear as I have placed an order for an SMX 2.37 screen.

Big sale going on so I pulled the trigger:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1247268

While I have been assembling all the gear I really haven't done much in the way of installing it or remodeling the front end. Well that has changed. Just a recap, previously I bought a Dealer demo Planar 8150, then added the Panamorph lens kit on a manual slide, Yesterday I ordered the screen and placed a Monoprice order for a bunch of cables to put in the wall/ceiling. So now everything for the video side of my update is in the pipeline.

Last night I took down my old mount so that I can hang my new projector in the right location and had to keep asking myself "why did I glue the plywood mounting plate to the drywall?", big mess to patch. Stay tuned. Pictorial review to follow.

Looking forward to the progress pics. What size screen did you end up ordering. Seems as though you got a pretty good deal on the screen, good prices if you can take advantage right now.

Keep us posted. Are you changing anything cosmetically or mostly just gear? I don't know if you remember me saying, but it was your theater/color scheme that inspired my color selections. So if you are changing I might be forced to change my plans as well ;)

Regards,

RTROSE

Thanks RTROSE, don't worry no color changes planned.

Here is the plan, I'm keeping the same screen height as my 100 inch diagonal but going to 2.37. That means 49x116. My prime seating is right at 11 ft so that means sitting at 2.69 image height 1.14 width. Second row will be at 4.28

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b393/bigmouthindc/allscope.jpg

As for other changes all my false wall framing between the swing open columns and black GOM panels will need to be reworked. I also anticipate swapping out my speakers for some new DIYs and I do need a new Pre-Pro like the Integra 80.1. Also thinking about an Itouch/Ipad remote system. Step one is to get the video component reworked and functional.

I have a room similar in width to yours, with primary seating at 12 feet. I have the exact same size 2.35:1 screen (49x116), made out of DIY seymour AV material, paired with a Panasonic AE4000. Love it. Mind you this is my first home theater build (in progress - I really do need to start a thread), but I think the size is perfect.

FYI, your build was very inspirational in many aspects of my own build, including the screen size and comment of the future switch to 2.35:1. Thank you for the time posting all of the info. Mine won't be nearly as beautiful or intricate, but very much functional and nice looking - once it's finished!

I used the same stripped down false wall framing scheme you used and it's working great. I have verticals behind the screen at the "thirds", and even with the AT screen you can't see them at all - so I wouldn't (didn't) hesitate to do that.

Of note, I broke the golden rule of putting in a projector before it was otherwise finished. On the up side, I was able to confirm my screen size before building the false wall, but on the down side, it is taking me much longer to get things done now...

Best,
Christopher

Update: HT 2.0 for 2010 is now in full gear as I have placed an order for an SMX 2.37 screen.

Big sale going on so I pulled the trigger:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1247268

While I have been assembling all the gear I really haven't done much in the way of installing it or remodeling the front end. Well that has changed. Just a recap, previously I bought a Dealer demo Planar 8150, then added the Panamorph lens kit on a manual slide, Yesterday I ordered the screen and placed a Monoprice order for a bunch of cables to put in the wall/ceiling. So now everything for the video side of my update is in the pipeline.

Last night I took down my old mount so that I can hang my new projector in the right location and had to keep asking myself "why did I glue the plywood mounting plate to the drywall?", big mess to patch. Stay tuned. Pictorial review to follow.

That certainly is tempting.....I'm at 10' to the first row now and would have to move the screen forward 12" to get my speakers behind the screen....I'm thinking 120" wide 2:37. My current screen is 105" wide 16:9. Man, I just finished my 30X40X12 shop and I do need stuff in there..... Stop it Biggie... You know how compulsive I am.