This was over on the HBO Deadwood board.
The real life Seth Bullock wrote a very similar letter--for Reverend Smith, who in real life was killed by Indians, not by a brain tumor/Al Swearengen mercy kill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Weston_Smith

"It becomes my painful duty to inform you that Rev. H. Weston Smith was killed by the Indians yesterday (Sunday) a short distance from this place. He had an appointment to preach here in the afternoon, and was on his way from Crook City when a band of Indians overtook him and shot him. His body was not mutilated in any way, and was found in the road a short time after the hellish deed had been done. His death was instantaneous as he was shot through the heart. His funeral occurred today from his home in this town. Everything was done by kind hands, that was possible under the circumstances, and a Christian burial given him. I was not personally acquainted with Mr. Smith, but knew him by reputation, as an earnest worker in his Master’s Vineyard. He has preached here on several occasions, and was the only minister in the Hills. He died in the harness and his memory will be always with those who knew him. A letter from you which I found in his home causes me to convey this sad intelligence to you."

"NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE, DOC." - Al to the Doc

Al evokes shades of Jim Morrison here as he reminds Doc of the inevitable. For me this was the single best line in all the recent episodes and Al's look made it work for me.

We are not likely to see the likes of this show again on TV.....ever.

And this time next year when Deadwood is gone......and the Sopranos is finished......and Rome has run its last episode......I'll miss them all but hopefully Showtime will continue with Weeds and Huff.

Huff was cancelled, alas, but Weeds will be back, I think.

On another similar note, I was surprised to discover that W. Earl Brown (Dority) had also played Warren Jensen, Mary's brother in There's Something About Mary ......

Now THAT is an amazing bit of trivia. Thanks!

Huff was cancelled, alas, but Weeds will be back, I think.

Yes, the very clever Weeds will be back with its second season next month and Brotherhood will continue for another 6 weeks or so. In addition, Sleeper Cell will also be back on Showtime.

Yes, the very clever Weeds will be back with its second season next month and Brotherhood will continue for another 6 weeks or so. In addition, Sleeper Cell will also be back on Showtime.
I'm actually somewhat shocked Sleeper Cell is coming back, I know the ratings were terrible, hopefully Brotherhood will have the same sort of "luck".

The ratings may have been terrible but it was great show. I'm welcoming it back.

Sleeper Cell was a real "buzzworthy" show and Showtime needs all of those it can get to build their cache. I'm guessing that's why it was renewed, although it's hard to see where it can go from here since the 'Cell' got all busted up and its leader is probably getting waterboarded in Gitmo. ;)

:p :D

Interesting sports-focused interview with Ian McShane:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/richard_deitsch/07/27/qa.mcshane/index.html

"SI: You have played great villainy during your career. Who is villainous in sport in your opinion?

McShane: I can't say Barry Bonds because it's too easy. Maybe the money guys. It's always the suits. I mean, HBO canceled Deadwood. Management is always the problem. They figure they know better than anybody else, but they can't do anything without the people who play the game. Maybe Bud Selig for his refusal to acknowledge that anything is wrong in baseball. He still believes it's going through a golden age. Who is in charge in Football? [Paul] Tagliabue? That game seems to keep itself well-organized. "

Good read, loaded with funny stuff, I liked the one about Brent Musburger. :D

"NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE, DOC." - Al to the Doc

Al evokes shades of Jim Morrison here as he reminds Doc of the inevitable. For me this was the single best line in all the recent episodes and Al's look made it work for me.

I love Al's lines, and some of EB's too.

"We forego the rock for the dagger, learn distraction’s use and deceptions before the dagger is employed—spirits, women, games of chance."
-I love that part, 'Forego the rock for dagger'. Can't wait to use it in conversation.

"Change ain’t lookin’ for friends. Change calls the tune we dance to"

And from Dan:
"Morning....best time of the day to go f*** yourself!"
-Every Monday morning, there is a great danger that I'm going to say that in reply to usual exchanges of "good morning"

That's some good of the stuff out of a lot of good stuff. The sheer beauty of Deadwood's language and the drama it conveys are about the best I have heard on television.

The language of Deadwood is pure poetry and I'll miss it.

Good for the contributors to this thread. Nice to see that some of us are perceptive enough to treasure the beauty of the language. Thanks to those who go to the trouble of quoting some of the memorable lines and even some paragraphs.

I remember that last year there was a lot of controversy over Deadwood's obscenity. Those posters seem to have disappeared and the remaining users all seem to appreciate what we're about to lose.

I wonder how many of us would be fans if the same writers were working, using the same style of dialog, but the series was about something mundane. In other words, maybe a show about the relationships among a group of thirty-somethings in New York. It would still be worth watching for the writing, but the setting in Deadwood and the constant threat of deadly violence in what seems today like an exotic setting adds a real tang to the words.

(I didn't see this posted yet in this thread yet)

In an interview with Ian McShane on comingsoon.net (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=15673 ), he is asked about the DeadWood finale movies...

CS: And those are also going to be on HBO?
McShane: Yeah, we're doing all the deals now. It's supposed to be next year, next May, and we'll do two two-hour movies.



with the long delay of season 3 after 2, waiting yet another year for the series to wrap will be painful... :)

btw - it's an interesting interview if you haven't seen it

The language of Deadwood is pure poetry and I'll miss it.

I remember that last year there was a lot of controversy over Deadwood's obscenity. Those posters seem to have disappeared and the remaining users all seem to appreciate what we're about to lose.


That is very true. I was trying to explain the beauty of the language on Deadwood to my wife the other night and she was still stuck on the profanity. She sat down to watch it with me one time during the 1st season and it was right at a particulary long series of ****ing cocksucker and it really turned her off. I think that is telling, when you look at the ratings you see this 3 million viewer drop off from Sopranos and I'm willing to bet that is 3 million wives and girlfriends getting up and leaving the room. I can't get her into Rome or The Wire either.

That is very true. I was trying to explain the beauty of the language on Deadwood to my wife the other night and she was still stuck on the profanity. She sat down to watch it with me one time during the 1st season and it was right at a particulary long series of ****ing cocksucker and it really turned her off. I think that is telling, when you look at the ratings you see this 3 million viewer drop off from Sopranos and I'm willing to bet that is 3 million wives and girlfriends getting up and leaving the room. I can't get her into Rome or The Wire either.

Yes, my wife also is mad about me watching Deadwood. She says it is not good for me to hear such vulgar language. So I told the loopy c**t to go f*** herself.

Interesting that the forum profanity police forgot to include c*cks*ck*r among the banned words. Hope this doesn't harm our moral fiber.

Yes, my wife also is mad about me watching Deadwood. She says it is not good for me to hear such vulgar language. So I told the loopy c**t to go f*** herself.


Ha ha. Good one! :o

Yes, my wife also is mad about me watching Deadwood. She says it is not good for me to hear such vulgar language. So I told the loopy c**t to go f*** herself.

At which point she probably told you to 'Forego the bed for couch'

At which point she probably told you to 'Forego the bed for couch'

Quoting Alma (Episode 30 "A Rich Find") she said "I will no longer be requiring your services".

Hmm, another somewhat slow, leading-up-to type episode. Still good, but I hope next week plays out the way the preview makes it seem. There seemed to be two or three mini-story lines going on tonight that didn't contribute too much to the overall story (the actor dying, the horse kicking steve the drunk, etc. Still the best thing on TV, and still look fwd to next week. The Earp's were a little dis-appointing (esp. Morgan, who seems like a loser to me), but maybe they'll be more impressive next week; though I don't expect them to take any of the glory away from Seth.

I read through both of those Ian interviews...I found it interesting in both he seems to imply almost NO leverage in how the scripts go. He even refers to Milch as the "elephant in the room" and that you can give some hints, ideas, etc. but the show is what he makes it. He says "God forbid you improvise on Deadwood".

Yet in "Dority's" (I forget the actors name) interview he seems to act as if he gave a LOT of input in his fight with the captain for instance. Seems contradictory, even if for that one scene.

I would bet a little input on the action is ok, but would also bet changing any of Milch's **words** is not ok. From the interviews it seems Milch is free flowing where storyline is concerned, he talks a lot about letting one scene inform him where the story is heading as opposed to graphing out every event beforehand. His dialogue though, he is particular about it to the point of obsession (literally). The 2nd season DVDs showed Milch's process of writing, and he just works on the same line over and over until he decides it right, literally trying it with 20 different words until he decides on the right word.

I agree that this week's episode was a little slow and the Earps a little disappointing. Still, Deadwood is the best show on TV. Timothy Olyphant's Seth Bullock has grown on me over time. Seth's always smoldering temper and his self righteousness have become a source of fascination to me. Further, there is an essential sadness in the man. I also enjoy Al Swearengen's sneering references to Bullock as "his Holiness," when Al has become sick of Bullock's prissy rectitude.

George Hearst is a great character, and I can't imagine an actor who could have played him better than Gerald McRaney has done the job. Hearst is a dangerous man whose ruthlessness knows no bounds, and yet he is often warm and charming.

I am going to be interested to see how the interplay between Bullock, the Earps, and Hearst's imported thugs plays out. Deadwood IS a hell of a town.

Well I am mourning the likely loss of Steve from the show. Never ever have I heard such things uttered from the mouth of a human, much less on TV. The actor must crack himself up after performing those scenes. He and Jane carry the show's humor load almost entirely and they're both wonderful at their craft.

I actually find this treatment of the Earps refreshing, having the "Tombstone" and Kevin Costner varieties in my head as well, I find the Deadwood version to be more likely and appealing.

Unlike Schwingding, I am happy about Steve getting a kick to the head. I never liked him and find his tirades to be tiresome and annoying after a while. Will be interesting to see if the General actually leaves now. Best part of the show was the General throwing mush all over Steve.

Was glad Alma was exempted from this past show. I found it interesting though that we did not see her, Ellsworth, or Trixie even once.

I think we'll see much more of the Earp's as time goes on and will grow to like them. As Hearst's gang rolls in, I'd be surprised if we don't see them deputized before too long(which they seemed open to) and fighting alongside Bullock. It was an interesting opening for them though what with the "made up" story of being heros. You would think Wyatt's name would have already travelled given his days as a lawman in Nebraska. (Especially to Seth.) Perhaps not though...

I also just wish they'd open the theater already and get on with it. Although the previews certainly indicate that will be the case next week.

I agree about Gerald McRaney - a great character brilliantly played.

Does anyone know how many more episodes we have to look forward to?

Per IMDB there are 4 more. Then I understand that there will be no more seasons of regular episodes, but (2) 2 hour HBO original movies to tie up all loose ends (I don't recall when they were supposed to air, but I'm thinking next summer or later).

The Earp's were a little dis-appointing (esp. Morgan, who seems like a loser to me), but maybe they'll be more impressive next week; though I don't expect them to take any of the glory away from Seth.

They seemed pretty accurate to me. Morgan actually married a prostitute, so his obsession with them seems pretty accurate and probably why they played it up so much. (Wyatt did too, in a sense..though he didn't actually marry her legally).

The Earp's weren't exactly the white hat heroes the movies made them out to be. Many considered them in the wrong for the OK corral incident and felt it was sanctioned murder.

I did love Bullock's comment about turning in his badge once, but not being able to turn aside the "beating of certain types" with it :)

Yet in "Dority's" (I forget the actors name) interview he seems to act as if he gave a LOT of input in his fight with the captain for instance. Seems contradictory, even if for that one scene.

In the "Behind the scenes" disc of Season 2 of Deadwood, it appeared that the choreography of fight scenes was a collaboration between Milch and the actors, where Milch would dictate the emotion and reasons for each action and the actor would then try something while saying "how about this?" to Milch would approve or disapprove.

Milch is also accepting of suggestions from actors about how their character would behave. One of the examples of this shown in the BTS was when Wu cut his pony tail off last year. The actor approached Milch saying, "I don't know what you have planned for Wu in the future, but if this is something that is going to unite Wu with Swearengen and America, maybe cutting off his pony tail signifying that he's now an American would be a good idea." Milch agreed.

IGeorge Hearst is a great character, and I can't imagine an actor who could have played him better than Gerald McRaney has done the job. Hearst is a dangerous man whose ruthlessness knows no bounds, and yet he is often warm and charming.


While most of us would agree that this year's Emmy nominations were a steaming pile of goo, next year should at least reward Deadwood with a best dramatic actor win for you-know-who and a best supporting actor win (or best guest-starring role or whatever they call it) for the astounding Gerald McRaney. He's certainly held his own against McShane, a difficult task at best.

Yes, my wife also is mad about me watching Deadwood. She says it is not good for me to hear such vulgar language. So I told the loopy c**t to go f*** herself.

Oh my god...I haven't laughed so hard at a post in a long time.

While most of us would agree that this year's Emmy nominations were a steaming pile of goo, next year should at least reward Deadwood with a best dramatic actor win for you-know-who and a best supporting actor win (or best guest-starring role or whatever they call it) for the astounding Gerald McRaney. He's certainly held his own against McShane, a difficult task at best.

I was never much of a Gerald McRaney fan, probably because I've never really liked any shows he's been in. When I first saw him in Deadwood I was a little skeptical at first, but his portrayal of Hearst is absolutely amazing. Having said that, the Emmy's have pretty much ignored the actors in Deadwood to this date, so I don't hold much hope that will change next year. It's not just this year that the Emmy's have been a big pile of cr*p.

Yes, my wife also is mad about me watching Deadwood. She says it is not good for me to hear such vulgar language. So I told the loopy c**t to go f*** herself.

sorry, but this is the funniest post I've ever read here

While most of us would agree that this year's Emmy nominations were a steaming pile of goo, next year should at least reward Deadwood with a best dramatic actor win for you-know-who and a best supporting actor win (or best guest-starring role or whatever they call it) for the astounding Gerald McRaney. He's certainly held his own against McShane, a difficult task at best.


Both McRaney and you-know-who, well all right, Ian McShane, have wonderfully resonant voices which add to the power of the wonderful lines they are given to read. I think that McRaney's tough-guy southern accent is a plus, too. The same can be said for the wonderful Powers Boothe as Cy Tolliver.

Cy Tolliver doesn't so much talk as he does 'ooze'.
Powers Boothe does such a great job just making Cy as creepy as possible, that sarcastic, sneering drawl of his make me hate him (Cy) so much!

So is "sweetness on retiring" a euphemism for Seth removing the bundling board and actually having sex with Martha? I plan to ask my wife for some "sweetness on retiring" and I want to be sure to use the phase correctly.

I was never much of a Gerald McRaney fan, probably because I've never really liked any shows he's been in. When I first saw him in Deadwood I was a little skeptical at first, but his portrayal of Hearst is absolutely amazing. Having said that, the Emmy's have pretty much ignored the actors in Deadwood to this date, so I don't hold much hope that will change next year. It's not just this year that the Emmy's have been a big pile of cr*p.

I agree on McRaney; I also was skeptical at first, but he's really done a great job of portraying a believable charater. I wouldn't think the Emmy's would pick this year to have a change of heart wrt Deadwood, now that they know the show's over.

Interesting that the forum profanity police forgot to include c*cks*ck*r among the banned words. Hope this doesn't harm our moral fiber.

Nice catch, although the fact that you were the one to figure that out points to you as the threat to our collective moral fiber. :)

BTW, I'm guessing BrentHD has been married more than a year since he called his wife a c*ck instead of the much more popular Deadwood term: c*cks*ck*r. That's the time frame beyond which the term is either not accurate, or it has become such a delicate topic that you don't want to attach any negativity to it :eek:

can someone explain to me the significance of the "theater people" please...their whole storyline bores me to tears and last night's episode suffered greatly becuase of them IMO.

sturmie

I agree on McRaney; I also was skeptical at first, but he's really done a great job of portraying a believable charater. I wouldn't think the Emmy's would pick this year to have a change of heart wrt Deadwood, now that they know the show's over.
Deadwood wasn't eligible for the voting this year due to it's start date. What we're watching now will be eligible for next year's Emmy's.

Deadwood wasn't eligible for the voting this year due to it's start date. What we're watching now will be eligible for next year's Emmy's.

Although it will be next year before this season will be eligible, the first two seasons haven't been recognized by the Emmy's either.

The fact that Ian McShane hasn't already won an Emmy just shows what cow dung the Emmy's have become.

can someone explain to me the significance of the "theater people" please


The only significance that I can think of is that Jack Langrishe is an actual historical figure in Deadwood and that he ran a theater where plays took place. Apparently, it was the only place in Deadwood that "respectible" women would step foot in.

Just another facet of the camp becoming a civilized town.

Just another facet of the camp becoming a civilized town.ok, i can see that...but with only a limited number of eps left, why spend SO much time on them? why not just have a few scenes here and there to say "hey, Deadwood's got a theater troupe...woohoo!" and be done with it...sorry, but they just don't do it for me...the best thing to come out of them being in Deadwood was Richardson's line of "Are they acting now?" when he and Farnum were watching them talk in the hotel.

The only significance that I can think of is that Jack Langrishe is an actual historical figure in Deadwood and that he ran a theater where plays took place. Apparently, it was the only place in Deadwood that "respectible" women would step foot in.


"A native of New York, Jack (John) S. Langrishe, an actor, impresario, and production manager, had been operating different theatres for some 17 years before his arrival in Deadwood in 1876."

More:
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/WE-JackLangrishe.html

can someone explain to me the significance of the "theater people" please...

[sarcastic_snarky_mode]

Well clearly it's either:
A) Just another example of Hollywood trying to force the "Gay agenda" on us.

or

B) A blatent attempt to re-enforce the stereotype that all theater people are a bit "light-in-the loafers."

[/snarky_sarcastic_mode]

... Depending upon your particular socio-political viewpoint of course ;) :D

or it could be

C) As noted above, a historical portrayal of Mr Langrishe's arrival in "camp" -nothing more, nothing less ...

In the "Behind the scenes" disc of Season 2 of Deadwood, it appeared that the choreography of fight scenes was a collaboration between Milch and the actors, where Milch would dictate the emotion and reasons for each action and the actor would then try something while saying "how about this?" to Milch would approve or disapprove.

Allan Graf (the Captain): "Mr. Milch, when my eye is hanging by its socket should I say oww, ouch, or holy f***ing s**t?"

ok, i can see that...but with only a limited number of eps left, why spend SO much time on them? why not just have a few scenes here and there to say "hey, Deadwood's got a theater troupe...woohoo!" and be done with it...sorry, but they just don't do it for me...the best thing to come out of them being in Deadwood was Richardson's line of "Are they acting now?" when he and Farnum were watching them talk in the hotel.

Keep in mind that the lack of a 4th season was unknown at the time this 3rd season (3rd year in Deadwood) arc was assembled and written. It would have been nice if this 3rd season and the 4 hours from the 4th could have been combined and then the 3rd and 4th year developments could have been evenly distributed over the available episodes. That would have likely eliminated some of the less "important" story arcs.

BTW, I'm guessing BrentHD has been married more than a year since he called his wife a c*ck instead of the much more popular Deadwood term: c*cks*ck*r. That's the time frame beyond which the term is either not accurate, or it has become such a delicate topic that you don't want to attach any negativity to it :eek:

Not to nitpick, but I believe BrentHD called his wife a c**t, not a c**k....

Ooops, you're right, I read it wrong. That is the appropriate Deadwood follow-up for "loopy". :)

Things like the Theatre troop bother me too, but I think it is, as someone pointed out, because we know the clock is ticking on Deadwood. Four more episodes, then maybe, maybe we get the two movies--I'm not holding my breath on them though.
So now it's like every minute has to be pure gold or I get frustrated.

I know it's subject we've beaten to death, but as we get near the end, I'm just in disbelief that a relatively popular show is getting the boot like this. The TV game has really changed.

Yes, my wife also is mad about me watching Deadwood. She says it is not good for me to hear such vulgar language. So I told the loopy c**t to go f*** herself. .. and how did the little woman's respond?

The fact that this show is cancelled should be a crime. This was probably the worst episode of the year, and it is still better than anything else on TV. Really angers me that I only have 4 more episodes with these characters. It's a damn shame.

Keep in mind that the lack of a 4th season was unknown at the time this 3rd season (3rd year in Deadwood) arc was assembled and written. It would have been nice if this 3rd season and the 4 hours from the 4th could have been combined and then the 3rd and 4th year developments could have been evenly distributed over the available episodes. That would have likely eliminated some of the less "important" story arcs.


I find even the so-called less important story arcs to be fascinating as well. They all work together with the more violent, dramatic arcs to weave the intricate, incredibly detailed tapestry that comprises this world. They enhance, not diminish my weekly visit to Deadwood.

This show sooo deserved a full fourth season. :( But even so, I'd still want to experience all these little subplots, including the theater people, that add so much texture to the tableau. Additionally, this arc has served to give us a little background on Al and demonstrate that he has actually has had real friends during his life (like Langrishe) and can act like one if required. It helps humanize him and fill out his character.

I find even the so-called less important story arcs to be fascinating as well. They all work together with the more violent, dramatic arcs to weave the intricate, incredibly detailed tapestry that comprises this world. They enhance, not diminish my weekly visit to Deadwood.

I'm enjoying the show thoroughly exactly as it is, so I agree with you regarding this season. My only hesitation comes when looking ahead at an extremely abbreviated 4th year and wondering how much of the meaty intense scenes will never be shot for lack of time.

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Yes, my wife also is mad about me watching Deadwood. She says it is not good for me to hear such vulgar language. So I told the loopy c**t to go f*** herself.

.. and how did the little woman's respond?

She gouged out my left eye with her thumb.

I'm enjoying the show thoroughly exactly as it is, so I agree with you regarding this season. My only hesitation comes when looking ahead at an extremely abbreviated 4th year and wondering how much of the meaty intense scenes will never be shot for lack of time.
I can't help but think that the 4th "season" eps will have a completely different feel to the them with an accelerated pacing, and I agree, it's a crime that the 3rd and 4th seasons couldn't have been paced as a whole group of episodes. I could even see them using a voice-over narrative for the finales, wouldn't that be hideous. :eek:

Or using the ol' spinning newspaper trick showing headline after headline to quickly progress us through time. :)

Exactly! :p

I'm sure this was posted in one of the season discussions of deadwood, but long since buried. I found it recently and it serves as a great summary of the major characters in deadwood's history, as well as background on deadwood itself...

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/WE-DeadwoodHBO.html


here's a link that covers deadwood's history: http://www.legendsofamerica.com/SD-Deadwood.html

Wow, great episode tonight. Last week was a little off, but they really brought it this week. This is yet another episode that I'll be watching a couple of times this week, once with closed captioning on, so I can just mine all the genius out of it.
Why, oh God why can't we get one more complete season of this????

It was good, but it still felt more of a build-up than a climax (I suppose that's natural). It was still great, but looking at the previews makes it look like there will be a lot more action next week.

Love Morgan shooting the guy (at least he's a good shot), and the resulting fall-out. I don't think that it's too smart to call Seth a liar, I get the impression he doesn't like it :D .

Was that the Pinkerton guy that Al was kicking around in the preview for next week?

Yeah, it looks like the head Pinkerton isn't getting the smooth ride he thought he'd get.
How funny was it when Utter called him to come closer, then punched him through the cell bars?

Bullock and the ear grabbing. *L* Seems effective, though...

How funny was it when Utter called him to come closer, then punched him through the cell bars?

I loved that too.

And when Al clocked Johnny after he figured out waht Woo's drawing was about.

I loved that too.

And when Al clocked Johnny after he figured out waht Woo's drawing was about.

Yeah, it turns out that Johnny ain't as dumb as he once appeared (his encounter with Morgan, reading the paper to a whore, and now this?). It seems that Richardson has some surprises up his sleeve as well. I have been enoying both of their character developments. I would certainly love to see "more" of that whore Johnny is palling around with as well. She is HOT.

Did anybody else notice, during the talent show, that the camera panned onto the mysterious lady once again? She wasn't wearing a red dress this time but it was certianly her. What's the deal with this women? Is she important to the show or is she just the director's girlfriend or something?

I have a feeling Aunt Lou won't be around much longer.
Up till now Hearst seemed to believe that he and Aunt Lou had a 'connection' of sorts because he doesn't discriminate against her (based on color anyway).
But her running away from his condolences may imply to him that she thinks he had something to do with Odell's death.

Richardson had better step up the cook-training with her while he can!

Richardson has become a great character. In Milch's commentary to one of the episodes on the Season Two DVD, he said that the actor playing Richardson had done so much with the part that they just kept on giving him more to do.

Last night's episode was terrific. While I agree that it had a tone of anticipation, I though the writing was delicious, particularly some of Jane's lines and the scene at the talent show between the fellow who could cry on demand and the guy who paid him to do it. ("It was easy for you, you didn't know the c**ks***er.")

Have to say I was dis-appointed in Jane running for help. I would have thought she'd pull a gun on Cy and tell him to get lost. Her character seems completely hopeless sometimes, other times almost functional. She does have a lot of great lines, though :p.

Have to say I was dis-appointed in Jane running for help. I would have thought she'd pull a gun on Cy and tell him to get lost. Her character seems completely hopeless sometimes, other times almost functional. She does have a lot of great lines, though :p.
It's possible Jane is struggling with her current emotional state, her liaison with Joanie, and is unsure of herself and where she stands in the grand scheme of things. Becoming who she is in the first place must have put her through quite a bit of emotional upheaval, second-guessing herself in an overwhelmingly male dominated world.

I sympathized with Jane's evident fear of Cy. He is a cold, evil, violent man. Worse, he is volatile, unpredictable and was clearly on the verge of an eruption when Jane arrived. I think Jane appreciated that.

It's not surprising that Jane would be scared of Cy and Al (in season 1).
Let's face it, they're scary guys. I'm a guy, and I'd be scared witless too. Those two guys are smart, ruthless killers, and Cy is psychotic to boot.

I have a feeling Aunt Lou won't be around much longer.
Up till now Hearst seemed to believe that he and Aunt Lou had a 'connection' of sorts because he doesn't discriminate against her (based on color anyway).
But her running away from his condolences may imply to him that she thinks he had something to do with Odell's death.

Richardson had better step up the cook-training with her while he can!

Of course he had everything to do with his death! And she's seen it before. He had no other reason to give Odell the letters other than for "identification" purposes.

at the risk of beating a dead horse deader, let me say what a f***ing shame it is Milch and HBO could not work out whatever they needed to work out to bring us the planned full 4 seasons. I don't know why this show doesn't get more attention it does, why Sopranos gets all the glory. It's a unique TV achievement. We won't see anything like it again.

Whatever the new surf noir thing will be, and I'm sure it'll be interesting and worth watching, it will be nowhere near this good.

Have to say I was dis-appointed in Jane running for help. I would have thought she'd pull a gun on Cy and tell him to get lost. Her character seems completely hopeless sometimes, other times almost functional. She does have a lot of great lines, though :p.

If you remember she backed down from Al at the Doc's office in season 1. Milch wrote her to talk a big game but backs down when it is time to toe the line

If you remember she backed down from Al at the Doc's office in season 1. Milch wrote her to talk a big game but backs down when it is time to toe the line

He also wrote her to be ultra-sensitive, insecure, with subtle intelligence, and having a huge heart (like most addict/alcoholics). I assume most of you know about Milch's own demons.

Unbelievably great episode tonight! Last 2-3 have been homeruns.
If you didn't watch tonight, stop reading now.



Al making that Pinkerton boss cry like a little girl, then slitting his throat! Then throws it back into Hearst's face in such a smartass manner.
Bullock looked like a rabid dog sitting at that dinner table, if one nut or bolt let's loose, he's going off like a nuclear bomb.
Great, great episode.

Absolutely agree. Best ep since "the fight". Too many great lines to mention. Not many clues on exactly what next week will bring, though. Can't wait.

Yeah, I'll be rewatching it tomorrow with close captioning on, digest that crazy dialogue. Watching some of these exchanges, it like the verbal equivalent of the old gang fights where two guys tied their hand to each other and then fought with knives. They're locked into these situations, but can't say an unguarded word, so they talk as vaguely (and poetically) as possible.

Ya, great ep. I haven't laugh as hard in a long time as I did during the scene between the Commissioner and Heart.

That commissioner is one kinky freak!

Too many great lines to mention. Not many clues on exactly what next week will bring, though.

My favorite was the pin in the eye comment to richardson...and Johnny has to let him know he was joking :)

The head pinkerton really made a mistake...first talking trash on Dan (which was a lie as Hearst asked him to finish him quickly) then implying that Al was not such a bad guy :) Nice to see Al come back around...he had seemed not himself as of late (even Johnny said that was the longest the rug has lasted) :) A

Bullock at the end, utterly helpless was funny.

There was so much tension!!! I loved this episode. And Jane's dream was a fantastic piece of writing. Once again, BEST SHOW ON TV!

I couldn't quite make it out last night...did Hearst tell EB he'd be mad if he came back and EB HAD cleaned the spit off his face, or he'd be mad if he HADN'T cleaned the spit off his face? Since EB didn't wipe it off after Hearst walked away, I'm assuming he said "HAD"

I couldn't quite make it out last night...did Hearst tell EB he'd be mad if he came back and EB HAD cleaned the spit off his face, or he'd be mad if he HADN'T cleaned the spit off his face? Since EB didn't wipe it off after Hearst walked away, I'm assuming he said "HAD"

He told EB he'd be mad if he did clean the spit off his face. Considering what he was like when he spit on EB, I'd hate to see him mad.

It was a great episode, but I disagree with those who think there hasn't been a good episode since the fight. Every time my wife and I finish watching one, we have the same response: "Another great episode." It is clearly the best show on television.

I know some have been more interested when there's a lot of "action," but the best part of the show is clearly the dialog. I try to follow who writes the episodes. Did you notice that W Earl Brown wrote this episode? I wonder if that is why there was a reference to the fight he had with the captain?

I do wonder what will happen the rest of the way, and I am not going to be happy waiting for the last two two-hour movies.

SMK

I loved last nights episode! One of the best of the series so far.

I'm still PO'ed about having the series dropped for the two movies, but at least they can finish the story.

I agree that the dialog is one of the best parts of the show.

I did not notice that W Earl Brown wrote the episode. It was so good they should give him the pen more often.

As for what happens next, there's no telling, but Tell your gods to ready for blood.

I can finally join this thread now, even though there are only 2 episodes left. I rented and watched the first 2 seasons this summer, and thanks to Video On Demand, finished watch all of Season 3 up to last nights episode.

Great show. Just wish they weren't going to do the movies and instead do another season. Has been a better show, IMHO, than Sopranos has turned into.

He told EB he'd be mad if he did clean the spit off his face. Considering what he was like when he spit on EB, I'd hate to see him mad.

It was a great episode, but I disagree with those who think there hasn't been a good episode since the fight. Every time my wife and I finish watching one, we have the same response: "Another great episode." It is clearly the best show on television.

I know some have been more interested when there's a lot of "action," but the best part of the show is clearly the dialog. I try to follow who writes the episodes. Did you notice that W Earl Brown wrote this episode? I wonder if that is why there was a reference to the fight he had with the captain?

I do wonder what will happen the rest of the way, and I am not going to be happy waiting for the last two two-hour movies.

SMKToo bad EB didnt shoot him. Too bad no one has pickled him off of his balconey or convinced Lou to poison him

Does any of you think Hearst had Lou son killed? :confused:

I couldn't quite make it out last night...did Hearst tell EB he'd be mad if he came back and EB HAD cleaned the spit off his face, or he'd be mad if he HADN'T cleaned the spit off his face? Since EB didn't wipe it off after Hearst walked away, I'm assuming he said "HAD"

Hearst is basically a bully. He was one upped by Al, and had to take out his fury on a weak EB. He just loves to torment others. He is the only character on the show who has no compassion for anyone else. Even Al, and Dan, show a little warmth on occasion. Hearst is just cold and evil.

I'll so miss Deadwood when it's gone. :(

Art

Does any of you think Hearst had Lou son killed? :confused:


Me

Does any of you think Hearst had Lou son killed? :confused:

Aunt Lou does.

Aunt Lou does.
Thats what thought. I wondered why she doesn't just poison him and save everyone else the trouble. :eek:

There was so much tension!!! I loved this episode. And Jane's dream was a fantastic piece of writing. Once again, BEST SHOW ON TV!
I can't stand Jane. At all. I wish they wouldn't have forced her character to stay around for as long as she has.

Even Steve the drunk wasn't as annoying. I was about to switch back to preseason football 3 times during her tirade.

Does any of you think Hearst had Lou son killed? :confused:
Yeah, but I'm not sure why. Either Hearst figured he was getting scammed, or he believed him about the find in Liberia and wanted him out of the way.

or he believed him about the find in Liberia and wanted him out of the way.

Bingo!

Aunt Lou said she'd kill Hearst if she could. Who wants to bet she eventually tries and who thinks she lives thru the attempt?

Does any of you think Hearst had Lou son killed? :confused:

I thought that was implied. That was why she was trying to talk her son out of trying to con him, because she knew Hearst and knew he'd kill him.

He is the only character on the show who has no compassion for anyone else. Even Al, and Dan, show a little warmth on occasion. Hearst is just cold and evil.


well to be fair, who after the first season thought Al wasn't "just cold and evil". That's why I'm such a fan of Ian's....he's turned a character for which I was rooting against in season 1, to my favorite character who I'm rooting for in season 3.

I mean we're all now cheering for a guy who wanted to kill a little girl in episode 3. That's good acting in my opinion :)

I mean we're all now cheering for a guy who wanted to kill a little girl in episode 3. That's good acting in my opinion :)


Or maybe he is the lesser of two evils.......

Don't you think he'd still kill that little girl if she got in his way. ;)

Anyone think in 2 weeks we are going to be in for a huge cliffhanger? I don't need the Actor story line at all. Jane and Joanie is not needed either IMO. Give me Al, Hearst, Bullock, and throw in some Wu

Wu wasn't around last night, was he? Maybe he's off to Custer City for his 150 Chinese c******ers for reinforcements.

I mean we're all now cheering for a guy who wanted to kill a little girl in episode 3. That's good acting in my opinion :)

Maybe the writing had a little something to do with it. ;)

Anyone else take a good look at the previews?

In the one of the last shots it shows what appears to be Hearst with blood on his hand, almost like he got shot or stabbed, but it could have been someone else's blood, I guess.

I thought it was a great episode as well. A little foreshadowing when the Pinkerton asked Al what he had been doing during the war and Al said "Slitting throats". I think this is before he said he was with "the co**suck**" brigade....so funny !
I sometimes wish it were not somewhat based on actual events..I mean we all know Hearst will survive Deadwood and go on to be a politician...so much for politicians.

Wu wasn't around last night, was he? Maybe he's off to Custer City for his 150 Chinese c******ers for reinforcements.

He was one of the "guards" watching Alma to the bank the second time around.

He was one of the "guards" watching Alma to the bank the second time around.


He was?

Anyone else take a good look at the previews?

In the one of the last shots it shows what appears to be Hearst with blood on his hand, almost like he got shot or stabbed, but it could have been someone else's blood, I guess.

Yeah, I saw that. I did some slow-mo action with the Tivo. But as the poster below you said, Hearst survives Deadwood. I'm somewhat confused as to how many men Hearst actually has coming to DW. The Pinkerton said that he had 150 Pinkertons waiting. But as the fellow that came into town and met with Hearst also mentioned that there was 150 waiting in Yankton. Are these different men or are these guys the 150 Pinkerton?

Also, I think that Pinkerton that Al killed last night wanted to die. He just kept rolling around on the floor and didn't even try to get. Sure he was being kicked in the ribs and penis, but most people would have at least tried to get up on their knees. I just thought that it was a bit much.

Or maybe he is the lesser of two evils.......

I'd say Al isn't evil, he's closer to amoral. He doesn't mind seeing good flourish, he even seems to enjoy it. But if something gets in the way of him and his ambition, he has no problem killing without remorse.
Cy Tolliver on the other hand is evil. He does bad things because he seems to like it, even to the point where he seems repulsed by anything good and decent. That sneer on his face when he saw the school children was priceless.
Hats off to Powers Boothe, he makes me hate every breath Cy Tolliver takes in.

Cy Tolliver on the other hand is evil.

I like the character only b/c he is such a fool. The guy is a coward but acts like a clown in a show as he tries appease the people he is a afraid of. Too much.

Cy licks the boots of the powerful, and torments anyone weaker, he literally has not a single redeeming quality about him. Every word he speaks is either weasily sucking up or hateful and abusive, there is no other mode with him. Like I say, give Powers Boothe credit, he does a great job of making you hate him.

I have been rolling around in my brain why someone (Al or Bullock or ANYONE) hasn't just put a rifle bullet into Hearts brain cavity. I have come to the conclusion that they know if Hearst died from a Deadwood bullet that word would get back to the "friends or family" of Hearst and that would be that for Deadwood. It would be wiped off the face of the planet. Anyone agree or disagree? Whats your take on why SOMEONE hasnt killed him? (other than history doesn't allow it :p )

Also, I think that Pinkerton that Al killed last night wanted to die. He just kept rolling around on the floor and didn't even try to get. Sure he was being kicked in the ribs and penis, but most people would have at least tried to get up on their knees. I just thought that it was a bit much.

You take as many hits to the pelotas that he took and I want to see you get up.

You take as many hits to the pelotas that he took and I want to see you get up.

Once you get kicked in the penis once, you're not going to lay there and wait for it to happen again unless you're a scared coward, as Mike Tyson once said. Did you see how he was in the fetal position? You'll be motivated to get up just so that you don't kicked in the nut sack again.

Cy licks the boots of the powerful, and torments anyone weaker, he literally has not a single redeeming quality about him. Every word he speaks is either weasily sucking up or hateful and abusive, there is no other mode with him. Like I say, give Powers Boothe credit, he does a great job of making you hate him.

Satan comes to mind when describing Cy

I have been rolling around in my brain why someone (Al or Bullock or ANYONE) hasn't just put a rifle bullet into Hearts brain cavity. I have come to the conclusion that they know if Hearst died from a Deadwood bullet that word would get back to the "friends or family" of Hearst and that would be that for Deadwood. It would be wiped off the face of the planet. Anyone agree or disagree? Whats your take on why SOMEONE hasnt killed him? (other than history doesn't allow it :p )
Totally agree.
Imagine what would happen to some wierd religious cult (like the Branch Davidian in Waco, or some other small, alienated group) if they killed Bill Gates. The Government would roll in (at the behest of all of Bill Gates business partners) and lay waste.

Anyone think in 2 weeks we are going to be in for a huge cliffhanger?
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of too. Can't imagine resolving the coming battle and multiple story lines with only 2 eps left to go this season. Yikes ...

Hey, at least it won't end with everyone sitting around a Christmas tree opening presents. :D

Totally agree.
Imagine what would happen to some wierd religious cult (like the Branch Davidian in Waco, or some other small, alienated group) if they killed Bill Gates. The Government would roll in (at the behest of all of Bill Gates business partners) and lay waste.
Indeed, it's an early example of government/private enterprise collusion. We do it today all over the world.

I'd say Al isn't evil, he's closer to amoral. He doesn't mind seeing good flourish, he even seems to enjoy it. But if something gets in the way of him and his ambition, he has no problem killing without remorse.
Cy Tolliver on the other hand is evil.


That's why it was so brilliant that Milch develped Al's character before Tolliver came into town. Until the appearance of Tolliver, Al was the "bad guy" of the show. Once Tolliver showed up, the viewer realized that although Al was still a bad guy, there are worse bad guys that he was.

Had Tolliver been around during the first few episodes, Al character would have never developed into the "bad guy" in the first place.

Once you get kicked in the penis once, you're not going to lay there and wait for it to happen again unless you're a scared coward, as Mike Tyson once said. Did you see how he was in the fetal position? You'll be motivated to get up just so that you don't kicked in the nut sack again.

I can only assume that this is coming from someone who has never taken a good shot in the "package". As an ex-catcher, who once had to go to the hospital for what was diagnosed as a "contusion of the left testicle", even though I was wearing a cup at the time, I can assure you that, if your package gets hit hard enough and squarely enough, not only are you not getting up for five minutes, you're lucky if you can breathe during the first two of those minutes.

I have been rolling around in my brain why someone (Al or Bullock or ANYONE) hasn't just put a rifle bullet into Hearts brain cavity. I have come to the conclusion that they know if Hearst died from a Deadwood bullet that word would get back to the "friends or family" of Hearst and that would be that for Deadwood. It would be wiped off the face of the planet. Anyone agree or disagree? Whats your take on why SOMEONE hasnt killed him? (other than history doesn't allow it :p )

I agree also. The question is (which seems like Al's been trying to figure out), is how to not allow Hearst to take over the town, while at the same time not bring down the wrath of his minions to destroy it.

I thought it was interesting how he handled the head Pinkerton. Disposed in secret, not allowing Hearst to know what happened. I'm sure that Hearst thinks he knows, but at the same time he'll want to be sure. Plus he needs to find a new leader for his guys now. So this would seem to have bought Al some time.

I can only assume that this is coming from someone who has never taken a good shot in the "package". As an ex-catcher, who once had to go to the hospital for what was diagnosed as a "contusion of the left testicle", even though I was wearing a cup at the time, I can assure you that, if your package gets hit hard enough and squarely enough, not only are you not getting up for five minutes, you're lucky if you can breathe during the first two of those minutes.

Shattered ribs too. Al kicked him multiple times in the ribs/chest even after he broke those ribs. The guy probably had little shards of ribs piercing his lungs, in all reality he was probably a goner just from those ribs.

My favorite line?

"Wu"

Like I said in my first post after this ep; too many to mention. But now that I've had time to watch it again, and think a little (and visit HBO.com :p ), I'll take a stab at it (no pun intended :p ).
ALMA: "I need to take off my corset."
SWEARENGEN: "No one objects to that here."
JARRY: "Perhaps, then, rather, at this moment - having had in fact no connection to the regrettable incident involving Mrs. Ellsworth -you are Socrates to my Alcibiades, taking it upon yourself to edify me?"
HEARST: "Are you saying you want to f*** me?"
JARRY: "I forgot that part of the story."
HEARST: "Do you believe anything you say?"
AL: "Every step a f***** adventure."

I can't stand Jane. At all. I wish they wouldn't have forced her character to stay around for as long as she has.

Even Steve the drunk wasn't as annoying. I was about to switch back to preseason football 3 times during her tirade.

:eek:

In addition to Jane's hilarious comic relief, I have a hunch she is going to play an important role in the outcome of the series.

The Pinkerton said that he had 150 Pinkertons waiting. But as the fellow that came into town and met with Hearst also mentioned that there was 150 waiting in Yankton. Are these different men or are these guys the 150 Pinkerton?

I thought the Pinkerton mentioned 25 more Pinkertons were coming, not 150. But I could be wrong - going from memory.

Yarry - the guy that met with Hearst - was talking about 150 soldiers in Spearfish - a nearby town - that are available to vote in the upcoming elections. They would vote as a block for the candidates that Hearst wants elected.

My favorite line of the show was:

As Johnny and Dan are wrapping the dead Pinkerton in the rug:

Johnny: "That's the longest a carpet's lasted yet"

As I remember, the Pinkerton said the re enforcements would bring the total to 150. R enforcements + his men in town + guys out at Hearst's mine works.

I thought the Pinkerton mentioned 25 more Pinkertons were coming, not 150. But I could be wrong - going from memory.

Yarry - the guy that met with Hearst - was talking about 150 soldiers in Spearfish - a nearby town - that are available to vote in the upcoming elections. They would vote as a block for the candidates that Hearst wants elected.

yes, how I understood it as well. They have 25 pinkertons in town and 25 more coming according to the guy Al killed. The 150 number was referring to the soldiers that Yankton would provide to vote in the elections..not re-enforcements for a war.

Wu also has 150 chinamen waiting as well I believe, which I'm curious as to why Al hasn't called them down yet.


Anyone else take a good look at the previews? '

yes, and I had thought the previews were alluding to Alma having shot him (with Trixie asking if Bullock put her up to it).

Once you get kicked in the penis once, you're not going to lay there and wait for it to happen again unless you're a scared coward, as Mike Tyson once said.

Why did Mike Tyson not get up after he got punched by Buster Douglas? Was he a coward? He was incapacitated from getting the crap beat out of him, just like the Pinkerton. The only unlikely part of the whole beating was the guy telling everything he knew to Al. He had no reason to and would have known Al was going to kill him. If all it took to get info from a guy was give him a few boots to the head, then we wouldn't need all this money spent on military intelligence.


I have been rolling around in my brain why someone (Al or Bullock or ANYONE) hasn't just put a rifle bullet into Hearts brain cavity.


To quote Al..."It would be raining Pinkertons". It's funny, but I had always thought of the Pinkertons as "the good guys", i.e. tracking down the James brothers. Just a group of detectives that could be hired to deal with any outlaws that local law couldn't handle. I never really thought of them as "guns for hire" which is what Milch paints the picture as.

To quote Al..."It would be raining Pinkertons". It's funny, but I had always thought of the Pinkertons as "the good guys", i.e. tracking down the James brothers. Just a group of detectives that could be hired to deal with any outlaws that local law couldn't handle. I never really thought of them as "guns for hire" which is what Milch paints the picture as.

The whole series has an anti establishment feel to it.

The Al and Tom Nuttall types went to Deadwood to escape the rules of society (eg: Nutall's rant about the fire inspector telling him to repair the stove pipe at the #10 saloon in season 2)

Hearst and the Pinkertons represent Society and commerciall interests trying to bring their rules to a camp that doesn't really want them.

"good guys" is a very subjective term. While Hearst and the Garett familly might see the Pinkertons as good, from Al's point of view they are something very diffrent.

To quote Al..."It would be raining Pinkertons". It's funny, but I had always thought of the Pinkertons as "the good guys", i.e. tracking down the James brothers. Just a group of detectives that could be hired to deal with any outlaws that local law couldn't handle. I never really thought of them as "guns for hire" which is what Milch paints the picture as.
The good guys? :confused:
Even when they killed people just because they didn't want to sell to the rail road? :confused: :eek:

It's funny, but I had always thought of the Pinkertons as "the good guys", i.e. tracking down the James brothers. Just a group of detectives that could be hired to deal with any outlaws that local law couldn't handle. I never really thought of them as "guns for hire" which is what Milch paints the picture as.

They were exactly that -- hired guns with a veneer of respectabiltiy, doing the bidding of rich industrialists like Hearst. They were not the good guys. Well paid thugs in coat and tie is more like the truth.

There were very few "good guys" in Deadwood, period. Mostly thugs of differing stripes.

My favorite line?

"Wu"
Hell yeah.

I thought the Pinkerton mentioned 25 more Pinkertons were coming, not 150. But I could be wrong - going from memory.

Yarry - the guy that met with Hearst - was talking about 150 soldiers in Spearfish - a nearby town - that are available to vote in the upcoming elections. They would vote as a block for the candidates that Hearst wants elected.

I beleive the soldiers were in Sturgis, not Spearfish.




I will assess myself a demerit for quibbling.

I beleive the soldiers were in Sturgis, not Spearfish.




I will assess myself a demerit for quibbling.

Correct you are! Like I said, poor memory. :)

In this week's episode, Silas Adams make reference to 'Hawkeye' in Cheyenne, and then Al punches Adams for saying Hawkeye's name.

Who is Hawkeye? Is that someone who has previously been on the show - Adam's partner when he first came to Deadwood in Season One, perhaps? Or is Hawkeye a new character that will be showing up for the season/series finale?

In this week's episode, Silas Adams make reference to 'Hawkeye' in Cheyenne, and then Al punches Adams for saying Hawkeye's name.

Who is Hawkeye? Is that someone who has previously been on the show - Adam's partner when he first came to Deadwood in Season One, perhaps? Or is Hawkeye a new character that will be showing up for the season/series finale?

I believe he's his former partner when they first came to deadwood (and has a drug problem).

Al's got on Adams before about spending time with him (just a few episodes back if IIRC), so that's why he punched him when he said his name.

In this week's episode, Silas Adams make reference to 'Hawkeye' in Cheyenne, and then Al punches Adams for saying Hawkeye's name.

Who is Hawkeye? Is that someone who has previously been on the show - Adam's partner when he first came to Deadwood in Season One, perhaps? Or is Hawkeye a new character that will be showing up for the season/series finale?

Hawkeye was Adams' partner. Due to his "weakness for the ladies" he has proven to be unreliable to Al. Therefore, Al has told Adams that he doesn't want him to rely on Hawkeye for anything that Adams is doing for Al.

Desperate times call for desperate measures then, I guess.

Any bets on whether Doc will die before the finish of the series. I loved how he spoke to CY in last weeks episode.
Also, can someone enlighten me as to what the whores were talking about when they were speaking of Alma? What did they want to ask her?
Does anyone wonder if EB will have dried loogi on his face the next time we see him? :D

well, Doc just has to make it through two more episodes, so think he'll outlive 'Deadwood'

well, Doc just has to make it through two more episodes, so think he'll outlive 'Deadwood'
Isn't two more and four hours? :confused:

Any bets on whether Doc will die before the finish of the series. I loved how he spoke to CY in last weeks episode.
Also, can someone enlighten me as to what the whores were talking about when they were speaking of Alma? What did they want to ask her?
Does anyone wonder if EB will have dried loogi on his face the next time we see him? :D

I will put my money on him dying befor the end of the series (2 more episodes and 2 two hour movies). I doubt that the writers would give him a terminal illness without killing him off.

I don't remember what the whores were talking about specifically. However, (like Jewel), I had the impression that they were in awe of a woman of such "stature".

I think the whores look at Alma like a superhero. In that day and age, and that place, it was incredible that a woman would undertake a gold mine, a bank...she even has manservant (Ellsworth).

As for the two 2-hour movies, I'd give no more than a 1 in 100 chance that they will ever happen. If I hear that Ian McShane and Co. officially get a contract, I'll believe it. Till then I would fully expect HBO to reverse it's position on this, as there is nothing really to gain for them financially.

That is definately something I didnt want to hear. I sure hope you are bad at betting.

I think the whores look at Alma like a superhero. In that day and age, and that place, it was incredible that a woman would undertake a gold mine, a bank...she even has manservant (Ellsworth).

As for the two 2-hour movies, I'd give no more than a 1 in 100 chance that they will ever happen. If I hear that Ian McShane and Co. officially get a contract, I'll believe it. Till then I would fully expect HBO to reverse it's position on this, as there is nothing really to gain for them financially.

With the introduction of HD-DVD coupled with the end of The Sopranos......If HBO leaves the Deadwood story "hanging", I am DONE with them for good.

I will "**********" Curb Your Enthusiasm with NO GUILT whatsoever.

That is definately something I didnt want to hear. I sure hope you are bad at betting.

:D Yeah, no kidding. I think they'd get a good audience for a follow-up movie, esp after some people have seen the DVD's who missed the first showings. You'd think that all the DW fans would watch for sure, so the ratings would be at least as good as the current shows (probably better with the right promotion).

The two follow-up movies next year will happen, rest assured. We will get 4 more hours with Al, Seth, and the rest o' them hoopleheads. But it's still only a third of what we should have gotten. Damn that John from Cinci, damn him all to hell!! :mad:

And, what the heck, I'll throw in a little damnation for Chris Albrect too. ;)

again we come back to this...HBO cancelled Deadwood, not the other way around.

Yes, but HBO haS really declined. They canceled Deadwood, Rome (only 1 more season) and when Sopranos ends this next year what will they have??? Big Love? Big Joke!!

I am moving on tO SHOWTIME with their wonderful new show WEEDS and HUFF, as good as SIX FEET UNDER.

Yes, but HBO haS really declined. They canceled Deadwood, Rome (only 1 more season) and when Sopranos ends this next year what will they have??? Big Love? Big Joke!!

I am moving on tO SHOWTIME with their wonderful new show WEEDS and HUFF, as good as SIX FEET UNDER.

I started watching Huff this year and loved it, BUT wasn't it cancelled?
Bish

I started watching Huff this year and loved it, BUT wasn't it cancelled?
Bish

Yes, it was canceled. HUFF is no more.

No Deadwood, no Rome....sigh...
I like 'big' shows, epic shows. I do enjoy Showtime's 'Weeds', but it doesn't fill my need for the big time spectacles. It seemed like TV hit a peek a few years back, just before HBO started cancelling shows like 'Carnivale' (a show I loved BTW).
We had Sopranos, Carnivale, Deadwood, Band of Brothers, limited series like 'From Earth to the Moon'.
It seemed like HBO could do no wrong, and their profits soared. They made a billion dollars in profit in 2004, more than any network.
Suddenly, they just switched gears, cancelling, tightening their belt.
I honestly believe all these big epics had a 'buzz' effect that indirectly paid off big time. Each show might seem like a loss (moneywise) individually, but as whole they made money.
Just my opinion.

I've often wondered if HBO is paying the price for losses and missteps elsewhere in the multi-headed beast that is TW/AOL.

I haven't visited this thread for nearly a week so I have several comments to make about different things.

As to Al, I think that he is without moral compunction and will do what is in his best interests, no matter how heinous. Nevertheless, he can be oddly softhearted at times, see his relationship with the crippled Jewel -- but he takes pains to coverup this trait. Al's saving grace is that he is smart, fearless, and very, very sane -- in stark contrast to the psychopathic, sadistic Cy Tolliver.

At first I had trouble understanding the scene where Al ended up killing Hearst's minion, Barrett, too. I think I get it now, though. Barrett knew from the beginning that Al would likely kill him so he tried to give Al something to convince Al to let him live. In the event, it didn't work.

Al's detestation of Hawkeye, Silas's friend and sometime partner, stems from Hawkeye's unreliability. He seems to always wander off with another woman and not be where he is supposed to be in time to do what he is supposed to do. Al has had enough of that, and of Silas's infinite capacity to forgive Hawkeys -- for the moment, at least.

I like Jane, she has a curious combination of toughness and vulnerability that appeal to me.

I am really looking forward to these last episodes and, like most others who have posted to this thread, mourn its cancellation.

Great episode, but I have to say I f*cking hate HBO or Milch or whoevers decision is was not to have a 4th season. Am I wrong in thinking that there would have somehow been been a build up over that supposed last season where the main players managed to stay alive, until one of the last episodes where Woo would have come back with his 150 men and the show would finish with a huge battle between his men and the Pinkertons? That would have kicked so much ass and even if it happens if we actually get the two movies, it won't be anywhere near the same because the story is going to have to be compressed from 12 hours down to 4.

It's not surprising that Jane would be scared of Cy and Al (in season 1).
Let's face it, they're scary guys. I'm a guy, and I'd be scared witless too. Those two guys are smart, ruthless killers, and Cy is psychotic to boot.


I love Deadwood....Al is morally bankrupt yet a compelling character to watch and once in a while does the right thing...Cy has zero redeeming value and totally ruthless...I like Jane's complexity and at times she is hilarious...


I did not know there would be no 4th season and that is upsetting...is it for sure? :(

again we come back to this...HBO cancelled Deadwood, not the other way around.


Maybe I'll cancel HBO.... :mad: :(

I hate that Ellsworth is gone.....I really enjoyed his charictar. I am really going to miss Deadwood,

ASH

Great show tonite; next week should be an awesome finale. Too bad Trixie isn't a better shot!

As intense and sad as much of tonight's episode was, it made me laugh out loud a lot. When somebody said something about Bullock having a "reason" for doing something, Al said, "That's something he f***ing lacks."

I'll miss Elsworth's character, too. Jim Beaver, who played Elsworth, is an old Oklahoma City boy who attended Bethany Nazarene College (now Southern Nazarene University) and graduated from Central State College (now the University of Central Oklahoma).

Great episode, but I have to say I f*cking hate HBO or Milch or whoevers decision is was not to have a 4th season. Am I wrong in thinking that there would have somehow been been a build up over that supposed last season where the main players managed to stay alive, until one of the last episodes where Woo would have come back with his 150 men and the show would finish with a huge battle between his men and the Pinkertons? That would have kicked so much ass and even if it happens if we actually get the two movies, it won't be anywhere near the same because the story is going to have to be compressed from 12 hours down to 4.

It wont be 1/100 th as good as an entire season. Half of the fun is the week of anticipation and analyzing a weeks episode while waiting for the next. Each episode having its own highs and lows. a movie will just get thrown at us. I think its gonna suck.

The worst part is they had no idea at the time that they were filming Season 3 that HBO was going to drop them. HBO knew it though, they kicked Deadwood back to Summer, in favor of giving 'Big Love' the coveted post-Sopranos time slot--and the rumor was floating that HBO was going to soothe Milch over by announcing Season 4 was greenlit before Season 3 even started airing.

So basically Milch believed he had Season 4 in the bag, and thus it is very likely that Season 3 was supposed to be the runup to the final conflict with Hearst. At the very least, we are going to end the series with a cliffhanger, no resolution.

Maybe I'll cancel HBO.... :mad: :(

No damn maybe about it for me: I'll be cancelling HBO about ten minutes after next weeks show. I've had HBO for at least ten years, maybe longer. The string of cancellations: Carnivale, Deadwood, and Rome, set against the new trend of lightweight, laugh track crap like Lucky Louie has convinced me I needn't waste my time with HBO.

Should the somehow stumble into something good, I'll buy it on DVD. Let's face it, HBO sucks as a movie channel, and now they are planning to suck in the dept of original programming as well.

I might change my mind if Chris Albrect (CEO of HBO) gets fired though, and I see evidence of them returning to their previously philosophy.

It wont be 1/100 th as good as an entire season. Half of the fun is the week of anticipation and analyzing a weeks episode while waiting for the next. Each episode having its own highs and lows. a movie will just get thrown at us. I think its gonna suck.

That's very true about half the fun being the anticipation. Kinda like looking fwd to the weekly football game (or Lost episode). However, I still think that the movies will be much better than nothing. Nothing was what I got with Carnivale and Dead Like Me, and that really sucks. I think the movies have the chance to be great, just I would much have preferred the weekly approach (not to mention the missing 8 hours!).

Nothing was what I got with Carnivale and Dead Like Me, and that really sucks.

Yeah,that's what really bothers me. I don't expect a business to lose money week after week, season after season because I like a show, but I do expect a 'goodwill' concession of some sort. A little something that says 'Sorry it didn't work out, but we value you and want you to give us another shot'

It would have been nice if they told the producers of Carnivale that Season 2 was the end (before they filmed Season 2), and maybe given them another six episodes to wrap it up in some way. Would have been nice if they had done the same for Deadwood as well.

I have been wondering why Woo's 150 Chinese guys are sitting in Custer City doing nothing. Took long enough to get them mobilized.

Quite simply, one of the finest hours of television i've ever seen this evening. I had chills much of the night. TRIXIE! good lord woman.

I cancelled HBO after Deadwood season 2 ended and signed back on for season 3. I will be cancelling again next week.

Yes, but HBO haS really declined. They canceled Deadwood, Rome (only 1 more season) and when Sopranos ends this next year what will they have??? Big Love? Big Joke!!

I am moving on tO SHOWTIME with their wonderful new show WEEDS and HUFF, as good as SIX FEET UNDER.


I guess you don't watch The Wire, which I find to be excellent!

Great show tonite; next week should be an awesome finale. Too bad Trixie isn't a better shot!


That's what I thought!!! :mad:

No damn maybe about it for me: I'll be cancelling HBO about ten minutes after next weeks show. I've had HBO for at least ten years, maybe longer. The string of cancellations: Carnivale, Deadwood, and Rome, set against the new trend of lightweight, laugh track crap like Lucky Louie has convinced me I needn't waste my time with HBO.

Should the somehow stumble into something good, I'll buy it on DVD. Let's face it, HBO sucks as a movie channel, and now they are planning to suck in the dept of original programming as well.

I might change my mind if Chris Albrect (CEO of HBO) gets fired though, and I see evidence of them returning to their previously philosophy.


The movies can be gotten on NetFlix...I liked HBO for the original programming but if they cancel the good shows...what's the point. Lucky Louie: cr*p.

Without its inventive and exciting original programming...it's just another cable channel.

I agree that it's too bad Deadwood is going to end with a whimper, not a bang, because of its unexpected cancellation. The worst example of this was Carnivalle, I thought, where the whole thing just came to a jarring stop without even an attempt at resolution.

Six Feet Under's last episode showed what can be done when a show's creative staff is given time to prepare. That episode brilliantly wrapped up the series in a hugely satisfying way.

Sorry to go back a few episodes, but I watch the shows on video on demand, and just yesterday watched the "amateur night" show. I got the sense that Swearengin wanted to participate in the talent show, and was bitter/jealous that he could not. He was alone in his bar, when the show was going on, and rather feverishly wiping off his bar, to stay occupied while the town folk were displaying their "talents." He also commented, "some people need to work." One of the participants came in the bar showing off his board balance trick, and Swearengin ordered him out. Then, the show ended with him still wiping off his bar, and singing a song--not a bad voice. My take--it was a song that maybe he would have sung at the show, and singing is something only he knows he does well, and really likes, but can't for some reason take it public.


Just my impression.

Great episode. I didn't expect Ellworth to bite it, but damn what an episode.

Anyone think Hawkeye will actually come through and show up with a bunch of men? And what about Woo's 150?

I loved how Trixie ripped open her top, grabbed her gun and headed straight to Herst. Knew to give the men standing around something to look at and confuse them.

I hated to see Elsworth go too. He was just a good guy caught up in a bad situation.

For half a second I thought Farnum was going to kill Hearst, he still might try.

Langrishe, had a good laugh line last night. "...Perhaps a weight, to be dropped upon them from on high." While offering his help to Swearangen.

Trixie really does need to work on her aim.

Originally Posted by vurbano
It wont be 1/100 th as good as an entire season. Half of the fun is the week of anticipation and analyzing a weeks episode while waiting for the next. Each episode having its own highs and lows. a movie will just get thrown at us. I think its gonna suck.

I'm looking forward to the movies. But the beauty of this series is there's very little "Dead weight" in the script. A lot of shows have superfulous storylines that could be cut out and not missed. I can find un important charactors but no real dead end story lines.

I cringe at the thought of what they are going to have to cut out of this TV series to make those movies.

Cut the storyline about the acting troupe.

Still my favorite show. I'm going to miss it.

I thought Jewel had one the best lines of the show:

Godd*mnit Richardson, you're too ugly to be sneaking up on f*ckin people.

Langrishe could wind up playing a big part in the end game. The rest of the troupe...eh, cut em'.

Cut the storyline about the acting troupe.

I'm with you on that. I like Langrishe, but the rest of them I could care less about.

The second Hearst asked one of his men if "he knew the tent of the first man he wanted killed" I knew it was curtains for Ellsworth. Still, I was shocked at how swift and decisive his murder was. Not even a fight.

And the irony of Al caring about Sophia after seeing Ellsworth dead, enough to make sure that Utter collected her to bring to Alma, was delicious. This from the man who wished her dead early in Season 1. I'm trying to think of a more contradictory/deeper character in recent TV history than Al, but none immediately springs to mind.

From the previews for the finale, it doesn't look good for poor Johnny. Not sure what that could be all about. Looking forward to it though.

Johnny could be the next on a slab. I'd hate to see that though. I've grown to like him over this season.

Jewel and Richardson were good last night. I liked the scene where Jewel was taking the tray up to Alma, Dan offered to take the tray up for her, she said no. When she started up the steps she was going sooo slooow that they had to carry her up the steps. Good for a laugh.

And the irony of Al caring about Sophia after seeing Ellsworth dead, enough to make sure that Utter collected her to bring to Alma, was delicious. This from the man who wished her dead early in Season 1. I'm trying to think of a more contradictory/deeper character in recent TV history than Al, but none immediately springs to mind.

From the previews for the finale, it doesn't look good for poor Johnny. Not sure what that could be all about. Looking forward to it though.

I wonder if he realized at any point that the man who could ID the killer of Alma's first husband was now dead, and only he and Dan know the truth about it.

Great character.

I cancelled HBO after Deadwood season 2 ended and signed back on for season 3. I will be cancelling again next week.

I will be cancelling within 2 minutes of next Sunday's broadcast.

Trixie....my my my.

Sorry to go back a few episodes, but I watch the shows on video on demand, and just yesterday watched the "amateur night" show. I got the sense that Swearengin wanted to participate in the talent show, and was bitter/jealous that he could not. He was alone in his bar, when the show was going on, and rather feverishly wiping off his bar, to stay occupied while the town folk were displaying their "talents." He also commented, "some people need to work." One of the participants came in the bar showing off his board balance trick, and Swearengin ordered him out. Then, the show ended with him still wiping off his bar, and singing a song--not a bad voice. My take--it was a song that maybe he would have sung at the show, and singing is something only he knows he does well, and really likes, but can't for some reason take it public.


Just my impression.

That's an interesting take on that...maybe you're right...Out of all the Deadwood episodes, Amateur Night was the only episode I was bored with.

Cut the storyline about the acting troupe.

Still my favorite show. I'm going to miss it.


Yeah the acting troupe story line can definitely go. I am going to miss it....at least there will be some type of 4th season with the 4 hours of movie.

I haven't watched Rome but am definitely interested in that...I'll watch it on dvd.

I thought Jewel had one the best lines of the show:

Godd*mnit Richardson, you're too ugly to be sneaking up on f*ckin people.


I also noticed that line and found it humerous...Jewel has a bit of spunk in her.

Such a good show...so many colorful characters...I really wish HBO would have let the 4th season play itself out.

...so many colorful characters...
I really believe that is why this show is so interesting, and I am someone that typically takes things at face value.

The writing is always good and many like the verbiage, I really enjoy the subtle depth to each character.

My favorites in order:

Al---The best character I've ever seen on TV. Cool, calculated, sadistic, sympathetic, hysterically funny.
Bullock---Pressure cooker type, that is often conflicted.
Charlie Utter---loyal as the day is long, funny as well.
Woo---interactions with Al are classic TV.
Trixie--prostitute who tried to better herself. Brutally honest.
Dan--Bada$$; Loyal henchmen
Jane--Funny; sometimes pathetic

All of these characters have changed greatly since season 1.

Not to mention: Hearst, EB, Richardson, Cy, Alma, Steve the drunk, Sol, Jewel,Johnny, Silas.

I cannot think of one show that I've ever looked forward to as much as Deadwood.

I believe the movies at least will offer some kind of resolution to the camp.

"I got the sense that Swearengin wanted to participate in the talent show, and was bitter/jealous that he could not."

You're kidding, right? Maybe Al, Cy and Dan could put together a minstrel show!

You're kidding, right? Maybe Al, Cy and Dan could put together a minstrel show!

LOL!
A song, a dance , some seltzer in your pants... and a throat cuttin' :D

Quite simply, one of the finest hours of television i've ever seen this evening. I had chills much of the night. TRIXIE! good lord woman.

What a loopy c**t. :D

When that episode ended last night, I was thinking "What!? Only 20 minutes!" The time flew by. I have a feeling next week is going to feel like 5 minutes - and perhaps the rest of my life wanting for more.

Poor Ellsworth.

Trixie really does need to work on her aim.

well she shot left handed while lifting her skirt up with her right hand, all the while with tears in her eyes. I think she was doing good to even hit him :)

From the previews for the finale, it doesn't look good for poor Johnny. Not sure what that could be all about

my guess its related to his prostitute he's been involved with. They've been showing his relationship with her for some reason, maybe she gets offed and he goes for revenge.


Question: Elsworth's death hit everyone hard..but why did it seem to affect Cy as well? He seemed geniunely sad that Ellsworth was killed and then took it out on his girls. Was curious what everyone else interpreted that was about...that seems to contradict any of his previous behavior.

I really believe that is why this show is so interesting, and I am someone that typically takes things at face value.

The writing is always good and many like the verbiage, I really enjoy the subtle depth to each character.

My favorites in order:

Al---The best character I've ever seen on TV. Cool, calculated, sadistic, sympathetic, hysterically funny.
Bullock---Pressure cooker type, that is often conflicted.
Charlie Utter---loyal as the day is long, funny as well.
Woo---interactions with Al are classic TV.
Trixie--prostitute who tried to better herself. Brutally honest.
Dan--Bada$$; Loyal henchmen
Jane--Funny; sometimes pathetic

All of these characters have changed greatly since season 1.

Not to mention: Hearst, EB, Richardson, Cy, Alma, Steve the drunk, Sol, Jewel,Johnny, Silas.

I agree that the characters have changed a lot since Season One, or at least our perception of them has. I also agree that Al has depth and complexity virtually unmatched by any other TV character.

No one has seemed to change more profoundly than Al. As upgrade noted above, Al did appear to be a sadist in Season One, given that he beat Trixie brutally. But as time has passed, I have come to believe that Al is just a violent man with an ungovernable temper.

I have concluded that Al takes no particular pleasure in meting out pain but certainly doesn't hesitate to do it and his white-hot temper can cause him to get out of control. But mostly Al is calculating, very smart, and willing to do whatever it takes to advance his own interests.

My favorites in order:

Al---The best character I've ever seen on TV. Cool, calculated, sadistic, sympathetic, hysterically funny.
Bullock---Pressure cooker type, that is often conflicted.
Charlie Utter---loyal as the day is long, funny as well.
Woo---interactions with Al are classic TV.
Trixie--prostitute who tried to better herself. Brutally honest.
Dan--Bada$$; Loyal henchmen
Jane--Funny; sometimes pathetic




Good list...Al is my favorite and I like when the episodes revolve around him: brutal, ruthless, out for himself but with a little tinge of a conscience...I don't think he necessarily likes being so brutal at times...I think he feels he must to survive.

I like the funny tough sad soft pathetic Jane...she is so many traits rolled up in one...I remember in one of the first episodes in S1 the line she had in Al's saloon about her leaving because she was the only one with any b*lls there (surrounded by all men)...classic.

What a loopy c**t. :D

When that episode ended last night, I was thinking "What!? Only 20 minutes!" The time flew by. I have a feeling next week is going to feel like 5 minutes - and perhaps the rest of my life wanting for more.




Me too...I want more.

I'll miss the loopy c****s and the d*amn c***s*****! :D :(

Did anyone else notice the soldier eating and mouthing off to Bullock is Sark from "Alias"?

Did anyone else notice the soldier eating and mouthing off to Bullock is Sark from "Alias"?


Yeah, I noticed 'Sark'. Good to see him again. Al is smart. He told Bullock to tell Alma that she needs to sell her claim. It seems Al is smart enough to not want a conflict with Hearst, but yet he tells Woo to go get his 150 and the other guy supposedly has men coming as well. Does he want a war or what?

Funniest line from last night's episode: Woo walking down the hall after talking with Al. Woo says to himself: "Big man, big man". He was walking like he was all cool and sh*t. :D That was soooo funny!

well she shot left handed while lifting her skirt up with her right hand, all the while with tears in her eyes. I think she was doing good to even hit him :)

Not that I would know first hand but I've heard than those little Derringer pistols were/are notoriously inaccurate an ineffective except at point blank range ... like pointed in the ear or mouth ... etc .... Stealth vs. accuracy ...

Not that I would know first hand but I've heard than those little Derringer pistols were/are notoriously inaccurate an ineffective except at point blank range ... like pointed in the ear or mouth ... etc .... Stealth vs. accuracy ...
True, no appreciable barrel length, no accuracy....(maybe she should have checked her email for one of those lengthening products..)

True, no appreciable barrel length, no accuracy....(maybe she should have checked her email for one of those lengthening products..)


Are you refering the kind you can pump up! :D

She was being unbelievably smart while at the same time extremely emotional. How fricken smart was it to hike her skirt up. Theres not a man on earth that wouldnt look there first instead of looking at her face.
And what everyone is saying about Al is so true. One of the most brilliant things about this series is how everyone has evolved. A true mirror of real life. These people had interesting lives and had to evolve or die. The smart ones changed to fit their circumstances.
This weeks episode had so many great elements and lines. I was utterly (no pun intended)shocked when Elsworth was shot. I think I actually gasped.
There was a moment when I thought that EB might actually grow some balls and shoot Hearst, but I should have known better. All he could do was go and brag about trying to run interference for Trixie.
You could see that Doc hated taking that bullet out of Hearst, but his code wouldnt let him NOT do his job.
The small thing of Dan handing Utter his drink was a thing of subtle beauty.
And can ANYONE have more of a look of smoldering anger than Bullock? I think not.

well she shot left handed while lifting her skirt up with her right hand, all the while with tears in her eyes. I think she was doing good to even hit him :)



my guess its related to his prostitute he's been involved with. They've been showing his relationship with her for some reason, maybe she gets offed and he goes for revenge.


Question: Elsworth's death hit everyone hard..but why did it seem to affect Cy as well? He seemed geniunely sad that Ellsworth was killed and then took it out on his girls. Was curious what everyone else interpreted that was about...that seems to contradict any of his previous behavior.

I thought Cy was upset because he realized that Hearst is aiming to destroy the town and everyone in it. He tore the clothing because there is no point in investing his money being classy in a town that is headed for demolition.

Great episode. I agree that one of the best things about the series is that there's so many interesting side stories that don't drag the main story. (I keep thinking the theater group sub plot will gain momentum..we'll see)

I was confused by one scene though - What was with the shot of Sol and a girl who did not appear to be Trixie, looking up at the ceiling. Not sure the exact timeline, but it kinda came out of nowhere. Did I miss something?

Tony

Not safe for work but funny as hell...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31PLcCXD0U

Let me throw in a contrary opinion. I didn't find Sunday's show particularly well written or directed. Fascinating plot turns, but too stagy and mannered. When the writing is top notch, there's a sense of reality to the program even as we are aware that they didn't really talk that Shakespearean way in Deadwood. But this episode lacked the cleverness and depth we've seen so often this year.

Still couldn't take my eyes away.

Can anyone explain what was going on while Doc and Alma were talking on the bench in Al's saloon? He was asking if she had actually seen her real parents killed or something. I couldn't quite figure out what the purpose of that whole conversation was.

Can anyone explain what was going on while Doc and Alma were talking on the bench in Al's saloon? He was asking if she had actually seen her real parents killed or something. I couldn't quite figure out what the purpose of that whole conversation was.

I believe Doc was trying to convey to Alma the need for the child to actually see Ellsworth's body so she would gain closure.

I thought Cy was upset because he realized that Hearst is aiming to destroy the town and everyone in it. He tore the clothing because there is no point in investing his money being classy in a town that is headed for demolition.
I really got the impression that Cy was pissed at Hearst too. Hopefully he will side with Al.

She was being unbelievably smart while at the same time extremely emotional. How fricken smart was it to hike her skirt up. Theres not a man on earth that wouldnt look there first instead of looking at her face.
And what everyone is saying about Al is so true. One of the most brilliant things about this series is how everyone has evolved. A true mirror of real life. These people had interesting lives and had to evolve or die. The smart ones changed to fit their circumstances.
This weeks episode had so many great elements and lines. I was utterly (no pun intended)shocked when Elsworth was shot. I think I actually gasped.
There was a moment when I thought that EB might actually grow some balls and shoot Hearst, but I should have known better. All he could do was go and brag about trying to run interference for Trixie.
You could see that Doc hated taking that bullet out of Hearst, but his code wouldnt let him NOT do his job.
The small thing of Dan handing Utter his drink was a thing of subtle beauty.
And can ANYONE have more of a look of smoldering anger than Bullock? I think not.

I agree 100%. I thought that EB just might wait for Hearst to come harrass him again and pop a round in him. I am also amazed at how Al has gone from utter sleaze to potential champion of the camp.

Yeah, Cy is upset that Hearst is gonna cost him lots of money by destroying the camp.

Funniest line from last night's episode: Woo walking down the hall after talking with Al. Woo says to himself: "Big man, big man". He was walking like he was all cool and sh*t. :D That was soooo funny!

Actually IMO, he is the most important character at the moment. The fate of deadwood is pretty much in the hands on the 150 Chinese, that is, if Al hasnt waited too long to get them there.

Swe-gen get Woo bring 150 chin-di c***s***ker from Custer City!

Woo, Swe-gen chin-di.

Woo, big man :D

He told Bullock to tell Alma that she needs to sell her claim

I think you misunderstood

Al: Oh, Bullock, you might want to stand guard outside her place.
Seth: I’ll take Charlie as backup.
Al: No no, Hearst ain’t gonna be coming for her. But to bring the matter home as grave, it’d make a case for her selling her claim.

My impression is that he's saying by Bullock standing outside her house, he's giving the impression that the situation is "grave", meaning it's giving the impression to Hearst that she's going to sell her claim. As he discussed with Langrish, as long as Hearst thinks she "might" sell, he won't attack either her or the daughter. As soon as he realizes she's not going to sell, he may mete out further damage to her.

I believe Doc was trying to convey to Alma the need for the child to actually see Ellsworth's body so she would gain closure

I thought it was the other way around...whereas they might think it wasn't as big a deal for her to see Elsworth dead since she saw her parents dead, I thought he was explaining she may NOT have seen her parents dead, and because of that seeing him dead might be a big jolt. But I could be wrong.

What was with the shot of Sol and a girl who did not appear to be Trixie, looking up at the ceiling

that WAS trixie.

I thought Cy was upset because he realized that Hearst is aiming to destroy the town and everyone in it. He tore the clothing because there is no point in investing his money being classy in a town that is headed for demolition.

makes sense

Really good episode, kicked everything into overdrive. Too bad there's only one more episode left.

I thought it was the other way around...whereas they might think it wasn't as big a deal for her to see Elsworth dead since she saw her parents dead, I thought he was explaining she may NOT have seen her parents dead, and because of that seeing him dead might be a big jolt. But I could be wrong.

I think you are wrong. I think the Doc was explaining exactly why it was important for her to see the dead body. She never received closure on her parents and thus it was especially important that closure was acheived this time. Also evidenced by the fact that when Alma went upstairs she told the child she could see Ellsworth.

I think you are wrong. I think the Doc was explaining exactly why it was important for her to see the dead body. She never received closure on her parents and thus it was especially important that closure was acheived this time. Also evidenced by the fact that when Alma went upstairs she told the child she could see Ellsworth.

I agree. I also thought the previous episode written by the guy that plays Dan was even better than this one. When Jewel claimed she wasn't sure what her last name was - for comic effect, I guess - I thought that was pretty lame. Also, one second the publisher could barely speak, and the next he seems fully recovered. Wierd. It's going to be tough to leave Deadwood after Sunday. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

Not safe for work but funny as hell...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31PLcCXD0U

that's hilarious...it's got the right language, tone, and cadence.

Not safe for work but funny as hell...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31PLcCXD0U

A little off topic, however I could not get the video to play. The youTube sight indicated that I either had Java Script turned off, or I that I did not have the latest Flash player. When I checked, the Adobe/flash player site it indicated that I have the latest version. I then opened the Java Console, and everything seems to be enabled, although I coud not find anything about Java Script or enabeling it.

Any thoughts or help would be apreciated.

ps. My favorite line was Al comment (and delivery) about Bullock not necessairly having a reason for his actions.

I think you misunderstood

Al: Oh, Bullock, you might want to stand guard outside her place.
Seth: I’ll take Charlie as backup.
Al: No no, Hearst ain’t gonna be coming for her. But to bring the matter home as grave, it’d make a case for her selling her claim.

My impression is that he's saying by Bullock standing outside her house, he's giving the impression that the situation is "grave", meaning it's giving the impression to Hearst that she's going to sell her claim.

How does Bullock, standing guard, give the impression that she's interested in selling? To me, it seems to suggest the contrary...hunker down and fight.

How does Bullock, standing guard, give the impression that she's interested in selling? To me, it seems to suggest the contrary...hunker down and fight.

That she's scared and afraid for her life? Definitely gives the impression that she would want to sell, just like her walking defiantly to the bank by herself after she was shot at gave the opposite impression.

If they were going to hunker down and fight, they'd do just that...not hide in her house with Bullock as a guard.

I think you are wrong.

apparantly

http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/episode/season3/episode35.shtml

The Doc arrives demanding to speak with Mrs. Ellsworth alone. He wants to know if she is certain Sofia saw her family dead or if, perhaps, the child was hidden by her family before the murders occurred. If the latter, he suggests the girl may have suffered from never being able to see her family alive or dead again.

A little off topic, however I could not get the video to play. The youTube sight indicated that I either had Java Script turned off, or I that I did not have the latest Flash player. When I checked, the Adobe/flash player site it indicated that I have the latest version. I then opened the Java Console, and everything seems to be enabled, although I coud not find anything about Java Script or enabeling it.

Any thoughts or help would be apreciated.

ps. My favorite line was Al comment (and delivery) about Bullock not necessairly having a reason for his actions.

I think the line was "Reason's not his strong suite."

Not safe for work but funny as hell...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31PLcCXD0U


That is funny as hell!

A little off topic, however I could not get the video to play. The youTube sight indicated that I either had Java Script turned off, or I that I did not have the latest Flash player. When I checked, the Adobe/flash player site it indicated that I have the latest version. I then opened the Java Console, and everything seems to be enabled, although I coud not find anything about Java Script or enabeling it.

Any thoughts or help would be apreciated.

ps. My favorite line was Al comment (and delivery) about Bullock not necessairly having a reason for his actions.
Browser maybe? I use Opera.

That is funny as hell!

Agreed!

Here are two more (both via gorillamask.net):

http://www.tubewad.com/madtv-parody-of-hbo-s-deadwood-824-p.html

and

http://www.cracked.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=890

enjoy!

Browser maybe? I use Opera.

I use the latest version of Internet Explorer, does the MS browser disable Java Script?

Several scenes really played on a gamut of emotions as they usually do. Such a powerful show and maybe we are a minority in terms of viewers compared to other shows, but damn this show seems to have really got to all of us. Best tv I have ever enjoyed. Tragic there won't be more seasons.

Ellsworth getting shot really shocked me enough so that even though I watched it alone, I said out loud "oh f**k"! It was like a mob hit. It was powerful how everyone reacted to the death of a decent man.

The scene at the GEM with everyone sitting around and drinking shots brought me some good laughs as they looked at each other and laughed. In the midst of all the **** there was a lighthearteed moment.

Wu walking out and saying "big man, big man"' gave me a good laugh too.


I don't remember seeing much of Trixies bod in the past, but whooo...she is built. Hearst looked impressed. I did pause the scene a few times. :D

I believe that the convo between Doc and Alma having to do with the child seeing Ellsworth's "DEAD" body was so the child could know that death was real. She wanted to touch his beard and yes have closure to make death a reality for the child.

All those videos were hillarious!

I wonder if Al regrets not moving against Hearst earlier, before all his hired guns arrived. It seemed out of character for him to wait for the odds to be against him.

I wonder if Al regrets not moving against Hearst earlier, before all his hired guns arrived. It seemed out of character for him to wait for the odds to be against him.

I think that was more out of necessity than anything else. He knew there would eventually be a showdown with Hurst from the time he got de-digitized. But Al doesn't have an army (like the Pinkertons) in reserve that he can call on in time of need. That's the reason for the excruciating (from Al's point of view) negotiations with Wu and Hawkeye. In the meantime, he's just trying to keep things quiet and buy time.

In fact, now that he knows he's going to have Wu's chinamen on his side (and maybe Hawkeye's men as well), that may have emboldened him to kill Hurst's minion.

I believe Doc was trying to convey to Alma the need for the child to actually see Ellsworth's body so she would gain closure.

I think your right on here as well. What throws people is that the Doc was trying to explain "closure" without saying it using the words of an era before psychobabble.

Yeah the acting troupe story line can definitely go. I am going to miss it....at least there will be some type of 4th season with the 4 hours of movie.

I haven't watched Rome but am definitely interested in that...I'll watch it on dvd.


Well, I like Langrishe, but part of the problem with the Troupe's storyline is that it appears to be half missing. I feel they have cut out a couple scenes that better explains what is going on with these people. Like with Langrishe and that women Mary (whom the camera panned on 3 or 4 times without comment in previous episodes) and why the one women is sleeping with Con when she so obviously detests him. If you cut out a short scene here and there then you're left with scenes that are abolutely pointless. Tonights was the scene in the room with the two women from the troupe. What the f*&k were they talking about and why the heck was it important at all?

Well, I like Langrishe, but part of the problem with the Troupe's storyline is that it appears to be half missing. I feel they have cut out a couple scenes that better explains what is going on with these people. Like with Langrishe and that women Mary (whom the camera panned on 3 or 4 times without comment in previous episodes) and why the one women is sleeping with Con when she so obviously detests him. If you cut out a short scene here and there then you're left with scenes that are abolutely pointless. Tonights was the scene in the room with the two women from the troupe. What the f*&k were they talking about and why the heck was it important at all?


Many good points about the troupe. As intense as I am into Deadwood and believe for me it may be the best show on tv I have ever enjoyed, I find myself paying little or no attention to the troupe segments. Or is it like you said, I just can't make sense of what they are doing, saying or trying to do.

I'm not in the mood to search 485 posts....

Is there any word/idea as to when the 2 movies will be shown? Thanks

From the Hot Off The Press thread....and to answer your question, in my opinion, there's a good chance it may be never as HBO is already starting the spin on it..notice the underlined sections and in specific, the wording, "HBO intends to produce...tentatively..", and "tempers...expressed by viewers...died down subsequently". Sounds like some early groundwork for just letting Deadwood fade away forever...and finally the last part where HBO is puffing itself up as a network with more than one show...I hope we get the movies, but I have absolutely no faith in HBO that they will actually happen.

TV Notebook
Dead End
By Adam Buckman New York Post August 23, 2006

As HBO's "Deadwood" heads toward its final regular episode this weekend, fans are still seething over the cancellation of their favorite show.

It remains to be seen how many of them will make good on a vow they made earlier this year to cancel their HBO subscriptions this coming Monday, the day after the "Deadwood" finale - a date they've dubbed "Cancel HBO Day."

"I haven't the foggiest notion," said D. Grimes, administrator of the Web site credited with creating Cancel HBO Day, savedeadwood.tv, when asked if he could guess how many "Deadwood" fans are planning to drop HBO next week.

But Grimes, a New Mexico businessman, does know of at least one HBO subscriber who plans on dropping the pay-cable channel - himself.

"I've been an HBO subscriber for probably 10 years," he said yesterday. "I'm just not that impressed with what they've been doing lately, and 'Deadwood' was kind of the last thing that they had that I'm really interested in and I want to send them a message.

"So, at least until there's something named 'Deadwood' back on the air, I probably won't have HBO."

He will likely have a long wait. HBO insists it intends to produce two, 2-hour "Deadwood" movies that will serve as finales of sorts for the series. With production tentatively scheduled to commence next spring, the movies won't likely hit the air until late next year or 2008.

HBO's decision to make the movies was made, at least in part, in response to the outcry last spring by fans who were angered when HBO decided not to finance a fourth season of the profane western series. The decision meant that the third season, which was then just about to begin on June 11, would be the series' last.

While tempers were hot back then, an HBO spokesman said yesterday that the anger - at least as it is expressed by viewers in their communications with HBO - had died down subsequently.

Still, just yesterday, "Deadwood" fans continued to post messages venting their displeasure on HBO's own Web site.

" 'Deadwood' is one of the best shows ever created," wrote one. "It will be unfortunate if the show can't come to an acceptable conclusion for its audience."

Whether this Sunday's episode is "acceptable" to "Deadwood" fans as a series ender will be a matter of opinion.

The episode, airing at 9 p.m., was designed as a season finale, not a series finale, and was filmed before producer/creator David Milch got the news there would be no fourth season for "Deadwood," which has averaged 3.9 million viewers per episode this summer, according to HBO.

For its part, the cable channel seems unconcerned about Cancel HBO Day.

"We respect the diehard fans of our programming," the HBO spokesman said, "but find it strange, because of the wealth of our programming, that someone would consider canceling HBO. We're not just one show."

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/dead_end_entertainment_adam_buckman.htm

I don't quite understand this doubts about the "movies". I have no doubt they'll produce the Deadwood movies if they have indeed inked a contract for these with David Milch. And, if they hadn't, then we'd likely have heard from Milch about it by now. Also, they need to keep him happy, since they're banking on his new series to be the next "buzzworthy" show for them.

All that being said, I'm extremely disappointed about the short-sighted decision not to produce 12 more hours to properly wrap this story up. One wonders just what they're going to be doing with all that cash (they're swimming in it) if the new goal is to produce original programming on the super-cheap. Maybe they need a new slogan:

"It's no longer compelling; it's HBO!"

or...

"We're HBO; our executives are loaded!"

I don't quite understand this doubts about the "movies". I have no doubt they'll produce the Deadwood movies if they have indeed inked a contract for these with David Milch. And, if they hadn't, then we'd likely have heard from Milch about it by now. Also, they need to keep him happy, since they're banking on his new series to be the next "buzzworthy" show for them.

All that being said, I'm extremely disappointed about the short-sighted decision not to produce 12 more hours to properly wrap this story up. One wonders just what they're going to be doing with all that cash (they're swimming in it) if the new goal is to produce original programming on the super-cheap. Maybe they need a new slogan:

"It's no longer compelling; it's HBO!"

or...

"We're HBO; our executives are loaded!"
"If it's cheap; it's HBO!"

I hate to say it but if I had to bet I would bet on this sunday being the last we ever see of Deadwood.

"It's not TV, It's worse!

Speculation is cheap. If someone has any evidence that the movies will not be made, produce it. If you can't then your opinion is the wildest form of speculation, which seems to be the lifeblood of this forum.

Speculation is cheap. If someone has any evidence that the movies will not be made, produce it. If you can't then your opinion is the wildest form of speculation, which seems to be the lifeblood of this forum.
That's why I put in the very first line of my post "in my opinion", it is only my opinion based on my interpretation of the remarks stated in the above article. I underlined the particularly suspect remarks which lead me to suspect that Deadwood movies are not a sure thing. :)


archiguy, just because HBO may have Milch and company signed up to do the movies doesn't guarantee that they will happen. Breaking, or buying out contracts would probably be considerably cheaper than going through with a full production. Plus, Milch has a history of not being the most focused guy on the planet and the fact that the last word he wrote for Deadwood was probably over 6 mos ago and he is now into his new gig...

Yes, maybe I'm being too cynical, and I truly hope we will see the movies, but I'm certainly not taking it to the bank.

Dang it Jim, now you've got me worried.... :(

Why should we trust HBO to do the right thing? They've dished out a lot of disappointment lately...

Dang it Jim, now you've got me worried.... :(

Why should we trust HBO to do the right thing? They've dished out a lot of disappointment lately...
We shouldn't, and the fact that HBO is already downplaying the complaints about Deadwood being canceled/over-with I think speaks volumes about where their head is at, they should be expounding on the prospects of the movies coming in the future, instead they're talking about how the hub-hub has already started to die down.

Past history has shown that nothing is set in stone with HBO until the film is just about to start going in the can, and with filming set "tentatively" for sometime next year...plus, if there's any network that can afford to break and pay contracts, it's HBO.

I don't quite understand this doubts about the "movies".

agreed. Ian has already referred to the movies in at least 2 different articles I read about him, so he certainly seems on board.


"We respect the diehard fans of our programming," the HBO spokesman said, "but find it strange, because of the wealth of our programming, that someone would consider canceling HBO. We're not just one show."


I certainly don't expect those dropping HBO will even make a ripple that HBO itself notices, but that statement is pretty smug. They don't have a wealth of programming anymore. They've gotten rid of all of their "wealth" and replaced them with cheap knock-offs. They have essentially become another movie channel, of which there are others that are better (or have netflix as an alternative).

That's why I put in the very first line of my post "in my opinion", it is only my opinion based on my interpretation of the remarks stated in the above article. I underlined the particularly suspect remarks which lead me to suspect that Deadwood movies are not a sure thing. :)


archiguy, just because HBO may have Milch and company signed up to do the movies doesn't guarantee that they will happen. Breaking, or buying out contracts would probably be considerably cheaper than going through with a full production. Plus, Milch has a history of not being the most focused guy on the planet and the fact that the last word he wrote for Deadwood was probably over 6 mos ago and he is now into his new gig...

Yes, maybe I'm being too cynical, and I truly hope we will see the movies, but I'm certainly not taking it to the bank.

A little cynicism is a good thing. I just haven't seen any concrete evidence that the movies won't happen and offered up a little contrariness, lest the naysayers are taken too seriously.

Speculation is cheap. If someone has any evidence that the movies will not be made, produce it. If you can't then your opinion is the wildest form of speculation, which seems to be the lifeblood of this forum.

Until we hear about contracts for movies being signed, then the movies are just speculation.

What HBO says they intend to do is not something to take at face value. I seem to recall a quote from CEO Chris Albrect saying that HBO doesn't use ratings to decide whether or not to keep shows, that they rely on unique quality programming to keep subscribers and generate 'buzz' 'heat' and talk around the watercooler.

This why we do and will continue (rightly) to speculate whether we'll see those movies ever get made.

Until we hear about contracts for movies being signed, then the movies are just speculation.

What HBO says they intend to do is not something to take at face value. I seem to recall a quote from CEO Chris Albrect saying that HBO doesn't use ratings to decide whether or not to keep shows, that they rely on unique quality programming to keep subscribers and generate 'buzz' 'heat' and talk around the watercooler.

This why we do and will continue (rightly) to speculate whether we'll see those movies ever get made.

However, the press releases and statements from Milch and HBO carry more weight than the speculation of outsiders.

However, the press releases and statements from Milch and HBO carry more weight than the speculation of outsiders.
But hey, I'm not an outsider, I have a friend who has a friend who has a cousin who has a sister who's mother used to be married to the sister's step-father who's son has a friend that worked the canteen at a HBO shoot about 20 years ago...and he says... :p :p :D :D