Last night I watched the A' vs Tiger's game in HD on channel 96. No audio but that may be a blessing. I spoke with D* customer service and was informed they are being turned on in my area SF Bay Area. No formal announcement but the game was on. Sharks, Warriors, A's, and Giants will be broadcast when FSN has HD available. Being a sports fan this is huge for me.

As DirecTV has starting nailing its Sunday Ticket customers for $99 for the games to be seen in HD, I'm wondering how long it will be before they starting nailing its Extra Innings customers.
That's a good question.

I'm curious as to what your guides say channel 96 is. I'm in Atlanta, and if you push "guide" > "all channels" > 96 > then left arrow, it says the channel is "Atlanta FSNS RSN HD HDTV Channels, Sports Channels."

This indicates to me that this is city specific, and the folks outside of Atlanta are likely getting something else. For example when I go to channel 399, I get "channel not available."

As DirecTV has starting nailing its Sunday Ticket customers for $99 for the games to be seen in HD, I'm wondering how long it will be before they starting nailing its Extra Innings customers.
For MLBEI it's probably in the cards, as you noted, the precedent was set with football.

The local RSN HD though is a different animal and I don't imagine there would be any extra charge as it's really just another local HD channel.

Ch 96 should be multi-market specific as many RSNs cover more than one market/city. For example, FSNBA covers San Francisco, Sacramento, Reno, Fresno and other cities/markets that all have, or will have, their own local HD channels. To provide FSNBA-HD to the SF market only would be wrong on DirecTV's part and if they did do that I would hope it would be corrected.

Last night I watched the A' vs Tiger's game in HD on channel 96. No audio but that may be a blessing. I spoke with D* customer service and was informed they are being turned on in my area SF Bay Area. No formal announcement but the game was on. Sharks, Warriors, A's, and Giants will be broadcast when FSN has HD available. Being a sports fan this is huge for me.

wow that's great news! my understanding is that fsn bay area is always hd for local games. i'm psyched, and now i don't have to think about comcast.

I'd really appreciate an answer to this question.
I don't know if it helps, but FSN Pittsburg was on a national channel just the other day, I think it was ch 95. Has DirecTV provided FSNP HD games before?

It was not in the earlier posted list, but neither was FSNBA so maybe there's some hope.

wow that's great news! my understanding is that fsn bay area is always hd for local games. i'm psyched, and now i don't have to think about comcast.
I don't think it's every game, although that may have changed recently, but it's quite a lot though, by far the most-the local OTA channels only have handful each year.

It's especially great news for 550MHz Comcast areas that are so bandwidth strapped that INHD was not even available, we haven't been able to see our local teams in HD from anywhere, at any price since Comcast was the exclusive provider--now we can, thanks to DirecTV.

I just got the following from DirecTV,

Hello JAMES!

This is your scheduled reminder for the following program:

Channel: A3 San Francisco FSN Bay RSN

Name: Giants @ Rockies

Start Time: Tuesday, July 4 8:00 PM EDT

Enjoy the show!

Go to Your DIRECTV Program Guide Now

I have no idea what channel "A3" is though, does that mean anything to you folks with the H20?

no such channel that i know of on my h20. these games are showing up on ch 96 on my guide.

Probably a glitch in the online guide software, or maybe it's trying to lure me into getting an H20. :p

I noticed when inputting an NY zip in DirecTV's online guide, that it shows 97 as "RSN", but the only programming I see on it is a Cardinals/Braves game. Doesn't make sense that NY gets and HD RSN channel for either of those teams.

BTW...I'm in CT and the online guide does not show 97, but my H20 does show 97 labeled "DTV", but there is no programming in for this channel.

Probably a glitch in the online guide software, or maybe it's trying to lure me into getting an H20. :p
Keenan,
I really hope this is true. FSN Bay Area HD is the only thing holding me back from leaving Comcast. The problem is I'm not a D* fan and would prefer that E* got the package also, maybe farther down the line they will :)
I sent an email to Mr. Geer to get his story on this event to see if it's permanent or not and to see when and if E* will get it.

Laters,
Mikef5

Keenan,
I really hope this is true. FSN Bay Area HD is the only thing holding me back from leaving Comcast. The problem is I'm not a D* fan and would prefer that E* got the package also, maybe farther down the line they will :)
I sent an email to Mr. Geer to get his story on this event to see if it's permanent or not and to see when and if E* will get it.

Laters,
Mikef5
Yeah, I'm hoping Dish will get it soon as I really don't want to spend any more money with DirecTV. Unless DirecTV cuts off my LA-DNS-HD channels I'll be hanging on to my HD-TiVo, if they do cut them off in the near future then I may entertain getting the H20/or DVR if available setup, but only if forced to. With half a season of baseball left I'm not go to jump in just yet, hopefully Dish will come through and I won't have to.

Was the Giants/Rockies game last in HD? No one I know with D* could find it in their lineups, even though at the beginning of the SD telecast they put up a graphic saying "Presented In High Definition." All we can figure is that while it might have been produced in HD from the truck, that's as far as the HD signal got. I guess at least the operators in the truck could enjoy the game in HD.

I just spoke to a CSR for fun. She read me some script they had which was "HD RSNs to be launched later", I guess later means not on July 1st. On the list was NESN HD full-time, FSN New Engalnd games only, FSN New York games only, YES games only, SNY games only, and MSG games only. This is new to me, since I was still expecting NESN to come on some time soon, but "to be launched later" doesn't seem all that promising to me.

I just spoke to a CSR for fun. She read me some script they had which was "HD RSNs to be launched later", I guess later means not on July 1st. On the list was NESN HD full-time, FSN New Engalnd games only, FSN New York games only, YES games only, SNY games only, and MSG games only. This is new to me, since I was still expecting NESN to come on some time soon, but "to be launched later" doesn't seem all that promising to me.

Disapointing but not surprising according to what my source has been saying.

Keenan,

The Giants play the Rockies tonight at 5:00 pm on FSN-HD Bay Area ( Comcast ) let me know if the game is shown on D* and shown in HD.
I'll let you know Mr Geer's response to all this ( if he answers ).

Laters,
Mikef5

First 96 and now today 95 has disappeared from my H10 guide. I hope FSN West and Prime Ticket won't be exclusive to the Los Angeles spot beam so I'll have a reason to upgrade my dish when Las Vegas hd locals are turned on.

Disapointing but not surprising according to what my source has been saying.

OK, we get it, TVBOB!

OK, we get it, TVBOB!

Well it just seems some people are still holding out hope even though my source has been right every step of the way, if there was an agreement reached with nesn or even close to one, I would know about it.

Well it just seems some people are still holding out hope even though my source has been right every step of the way, if there was an agreement reached with nesn or even close to one, I would know about it.

You (nor, your source :rolleyes: ) have not been right, you said no RSN's would be added.

I talked to my source again....what can I say, there definitely is no agreement with nesn and he doesn't see any of these rsns being added in the timeframe indicated. Sorry, this could have been the shot in the arm directv hd desperately needed.

What are you some deranged Yankee fan who only wants to see your games in HD?

You (nor, your source :rolleyes: ) have not been right, you said no RSN's would be added.



What are you some deranged Yankee fan who only wants to see your games in HD?

No I did not. Please look back. My only definitive claim was that nesn hd would not be added, nor would any fulltime mpeg 4 channels for the next few months.

For what it's worth, I was told by a CSR that my spot beam "channel 96 and 97" were rolling out on July 1 and Sharks, Warriors, A's, and Giant's will be shown when available. Also said this would be games only and not fulltime.

I did watch the A's vs Tiger's last night but with no audio. This sure seems like I was told the truth. My guide tells me tonight's Giant's game will be broadcast on channel 96.

I live in Central Louisiana, and I'm in the FSN Southwest DMA. I have Ch. 95 which from what I understand in the MLBEIHD channel, but my guide doesn't show a ch. 96 nor a channel 399.

I believe I'm too far from Houston or Dallas to have their HD feed spotbeamed.

I just spoke to a CSR for fun. She read me some script they had which was "HD RSNs to be launched later", I guess later means not on July 1st. On the list was NESN HD full-time, FSN New Engalnd games only, FSN New York games only, YES games only, SNY games only, and MSG games only. This is new to me, since I was still expecting NESN to come on some time soon, but "to be launched later" doesn't seem all that promising to me.
I haven't checked on a one-to-one basis, but it seems the non-FSN operated RSNs are just games only. FSN New England is also a Rainbow Media property, just like FSNBA along with FSN Chicago being the third of the three owned by Rainbow. Of course, YES and MSG are also non-FSN properties and probably SNY as well although I'm not familiar with that one. NESN-HD appears to be the only non-FSN anticipated to be a full time channel currently. Which is fine with me, I'd only watch the channel when there were games anyways but I'm sure there are others that would like it full time.

Keenan,

The Giants play the Rockies tonight at 5:00 pm on FSN-HD Bay Area ( Comcast ) let me know if the game is shown on D* and shown in HD.
I'll let you know Mr Geer's response to all this ( if he answers ).

Laters,
Mikef5
Yes, it would be nice to get it from the horse's mouth. As far as the game tonight, hopefully some the bay area posters here will verify as I don't have the H20 to receive the channel.

No Braves on Turner South in HD.

First 96 and now today 95 has disappeared from my H10 guide. I hope FSN West and Prime Ticket won't be exclusive to the Los Angeles spot beam so I'll have a reason to upgrade my dish when Las Vegas hd locals are turned on.
That's what I was remarking about earlier, these RSNs are multi-market signals, but my knowledge of spotbeams is very limited so I don't know whether they are capable of being used to cover more than one market. My guess would be that they are. In any case, any market within the RSN's coverage should get the signal, whether DirecTV does that remains to be see. So far I don't recall having seen any posts about FSNBA being seen outside of San Francisco, hopefully someone in Sacramento or Reno is following the thread and will report.

Isn't Las Vegas a home market for about 6 teams, is there one specific RSN that covers LV or do you get multiples?

I live in Central Louisiana, and I'm in the FSN Southwest DMA. I have Ch. 95 which from what I understand in the MLBEIHD channel, but my guide doesn't show a ch. 96 nor a channel 399.

I believe I'm too far from Houston or Dallas to have their HD feed spotbeamed.
Do you have a MPEG4 STB like the H20? If not you most likely will not see a channel 96.

On spotbeams, even if the spotbeam for a particular market did not cover the entire RSN area I don't see any reason why the signal couldn't be re-transmitted over another spotbeam being used for the out of area market.

Yes, it would be nice to get it from the horse's mouth. As far as the game tonight, hopefully some the bay area posters here will verify as I don't have the H20 to receive the channel.

im watching now and the giants are on, but again with no audio. i'm on hold with d*tv and will report back.

That's what I was remarking about earlier, these RSNs are multi-market signals, but my knowledge of spotbeams is very limited so I don't know whether they are capable of being used to cover more than one market. My guess would be that they are. In any case, any market within the RSN's coverage should get the signal, whether DirecTV does that remains to be see. So far I don't recall having seen any posts about FSNBA being seen outside of San Francisco, hopefully someone in Sacramento or Reno is following the thread and will report.

Isn't Las Vegas a home market for about 6 teams, is there one specific RSN that covers LV or do you get multiples?

Yes, we really are claimed by six baseball teams: LA Dodgers, LA Angels, SD Padres, Oakland A's, SF Giants, and Arizona Diamdbacks.

Las Vegas gets FSN West and FSN Prime Ticket. If you buy the sports pack, FSN Bay Area and FSN Arizona are secondary RSNs. Cox Cable subscribers also get the channel 4 San Diego games.

No Braves on Turner South in HD.

Do you have an H20 and the 5LNB dish? I am watching the game right now in HD on channel 96. And last nights game was on as well.

well, of course, like sgt. schultz in hogan heroes, d*tv know nothing. and i didn't feel like being transferred around. so i think all bay area folks that are lucky enough to receive ch 96(and again, it looks great tonight) should make a call and thank them and ask them where the audio is.

Yes, we really are claimed by six baseball teams: LA Dodgers, LA Angels, SD Padres, Oakland A's, SF Giants, and Arizona Diamdbacks.

Las Vegas gets FSN West and FSN Prime Ticket. If you buy the sports pack, FSN Bay Area and FSN Arizona are secondary RSNs. Cox Cable subscribers also get the channel 4 San Diego games.
Be interesting to see how that is handled, it would seem you would need multiple RSN-HD channels, unless DirecTV cherrypicked which game from which RSN they were going to carry.

Be interesting to see how that is handled, it would seem you would need multiple RSN-HD channels, unless DirecTV cherrypicked which game from which RSN they were going to carry.

I doubt DirecTV will be offering any HD secondary RSNs until the new sats are up and they can make them CONUS, so it would just be FSN West and FSN Prime Ticket. (Which aren't showing any HD games in the same time through July according to the schedule.)

BTW, Las Vegas has been getting the mpeg2 FSN West/Prime Ticket games on channel 95.

Do you have an H20 and the 5LNB dish? I am watching the game right now in HD on channel 96. And last nights game was on as well.

Yes I do, it looks like Atlanta is getting it. But no one else in Turner South area is getting it.

Yes I do, it looks like Atlanta is getting it. But no one else in Turner South area is getting it.
I don't know if you already answered this, but do you have the Atlanta HD MPEG4 locals?

I see that the Rangers will be playing the Blue Jays tommorow in HD via FSN Southwest.

If Ch. 96 appears, I will be able to confirm that the spotbeam covers the entire RSN coverage area.

But as of right now, Ch. 96 is absent from my guide

Sorry, not at this time.

Was that the Magic 8 ball responding?

I don't know if it helps, but FSN Pittsburg was on a national channel just the other day, I think it was ch 95. Has DirecTV provided FSNP HD games before?



yes, they have. about three or four this year so far.

Ken, what's the magic 8 ball see for FSD having some Red Wings in HD this year? ;)

Ken, what's the magic 8 ball see for FSD having some Red Wings in HD this year? ;)Keep in mind the M8B is a much more definitive source of info than I am, unfortunately there are no messages at this time.

As far as my personal opinion, I'd say it will probably happen.

I didn't get ch. 96 on my guide for tonights Rangers game, so I guess I won't get any extra HD games in my area :(

I didn't get ch. 96 on my guide for tonights Rangers game, so I guess I won't get any extra HD games in my area :(
Baldmaga, if you put your location in your profile it will show up in the left hand box under your name. This will put posts like yours in context so others can reference your info and likewise they can possibly give you info regarding your location. I see that you mentioned you were in central LA in a earlier post but if it was under your name it would be easier. :)

Here in NY, I haven't seen either channel 96 or 399 appear in my guide. Has anyone else in the NY area had channel 96 or 399 appear in their guide when the Yankees are on?

I have the H20 and the 5 lnb dish, I have seen YESHD appear on channel 95 though, but it doesn't have a HD tag in my guide and the picture is awful.

I don't know if you already answered this, but do you have the Atlanta HD MPEG4 locals?

Nope, I'm in south GA. Turner South is a RSN (now own by Fox Sports) not a local channel. So if I get Turner South in SD I should get the Braves in HD?

Nope, I'm in south GA. Turner South is a RSN (now own by Fox Sports) not a local channel. So if I get Turner South in SD I should get the Braves in HD?

Where in south GA? You may not covered by the KA spotbeam being used for the Atlanta area.

Nope, I'm in south GA. Turner South is a RSN (now own by Fox Sports) not a local channel. So if I get Turner South in SD I should get the Braves in HD?
If you do not get HD locals, and are not under the same spotbeam as Atlanta, you will not receive Turner South HD. Here are the requirements for TS HD: H20 receiver, AT9 dish, live within the same spotbeam as Atlanta, and receive HD locals (not necessarily Atlanta, although I don't know if any others are available in GA).

Just got this email from D*

Thanks for writing. We are currently showing Red Sox games in HD on NESN and we often add programming based on customer requests. I have forwarded your request to offer the whole NESN channel in HD our programming department.

DIRECTV is committed to providing the best in HDTV programming. To do so, we're in constant discussions with various program providers to increase the number of high definition channels and programs we offer.

Also, you are important to us and we certainly want to keep you as a customer. We know you have a choice in providers, and we must continually earn your business.

A service specialist will call you in the next few days to discuss what we can do to meet your needs.

Thank you for your patience, and for giving us the chance to respond to your concerns.

Sincerely,

Agnes
DIRECTV Customer Service

Nesn hd games aren't being shown in any capacity.

Just got this email from D*

Thanks for writing. We are currently showing Red Sox games in HD on NESN and we often add programming based on customer requests. I have forwarded your request to offer the whole NESN channel in HD our programming department.

DIRECTV is committed to providing the best in HDTV programming. To do so, we're in constant discussions with various program providers to increase the number of high definition channels and programs we offer.

Also, you are important to us and we certainly want to keep you as a customer. We know you have a choice in providers, and we must continually earn your business.

A service specialist will call you in the next few days to discuss what we can do to meet your needs.

Thank you for your patience, and for giving us the chance to respond to your concerns.

Sincerely,

Agnes
DIRECTV Customer Service
I would call DirecTV, tell them that you got this email and ask them if it was an error.

Nesn hd games aren't being shown in any capacity.

We all know that TVBOB! :rolleyes: But thanks for sharing again.

We all know that TVBOB! :rolleyes: But thanks for sharing again.

If someone doesn't read back in this thread, and just read that customer service email, they wouldn't know that.

I'm just updating what they told me. I have not seen it either. Sorry Dark Cloud Bob. :D

That's what I was remarking about earlier, these RSNs are multi-market signals, but my knowledge of spotbeams is very limited so I don't know whether they are capable of being used to cover more than one market. My guess would be that they are. In any case, any market within the RSN's coverage should get the signal, whether DirecTV does that remains to be see. So far I don't recall having seen any posts about FSNBA being seen outside of San Francisco, hopefully someone in Sacramento or Reno is following the thread and will report.

Isn't Las Vegas a home market for about 6 teams, is there one specific RSN that covers LV or do you get multiples?

Reno won't get local HD till fall. Hopefully we will get FSNBA HD then also.

Mark

curious if anyone in the bay area who has ch 96 has checked their guides this morning for upcoming games. i'm at work and didn't get a chance to this morning. wondering if any new games are listed. would also love to find out why no audio...

curious if anyone in the bay area who has ch 96 has checked their guides this morning for upcoming games. i'm at work and didn't get a chance to this morning. wondering if any new games are listed. would also love to find out why no audio...

As of this morning "To be announced" as far in the future as I cared to look.

Here is a response I received from D* when asking about CSN Chicago, channel 96 and the new HD DVR.

Thanks for writing. DIRECTV is beginning to expand its HD offerings in July by providing all HD games produced by select RSNs in specific parts of a market only. On July 1, 2006, 13 local RSNs started offering HD games on Channel 96 or 97. More areas will get HD local RSNs and select local channels later in 2006 and that will include Comcast Sportsnet Chicago.

Regarding your question about high definition DVR, we currently offer an HD DVR that can record programming off of our national HD stations like TNT HD, HBO HD or Discovery HD that are broadcast in MPEG-2 format. We’re in the testing stages for our new HD DVR that can record programming broadcast and local channels in both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 format, but I don’t expect it to be available until fall. I’m sorry I don’t have any more specific information right now, but stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news about new equipment.

We're committed to providing the best in HDTV programming and we're in constant discussions with various program providers to continue adding new channels and programming. Thanks again for writing.

Sincerely,

Michelle P
DIRECTV Customer Service

Here is a response I received from D* when asking about CSN Chicago, channel 96 and the new HD DVR.

Thanks for writing. DIRECTV is beginning to expand its HD offerings in July by providing all HD games produced by select RSNs in specific parts of a market only. On July 1, 2006, 13 local RSNs started offering HD games on Channel 96 or 97. More areas will get HD local RSNs and select local channels later in 2006 and that will include Comcast Sportsnet Chicago.

Regarding your question about high definition DVR, we currently offer an HD DVR that can record programming off of our national HD stations like TNT HD, HBO HD or Discovery HD that are broadcast in MPEG-2 format. We’re in the testing stages for our new HD DVR that can record programming broadcast and local channels in both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 format, but I don’t expect it to be available until fall. I’m sorry I don’t have any more specific information right now, but stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news about new equipment.

We're committed to providing the best in HDTV programming and we're in constant discussions with various program providers to continue adding new channels and programming. Thanks again for writing.

Sincerely,

Michelle P
DIRECTV Customer Service

Now that is a great response ;)

And I updated my location...silly me :P

looks like the next d*tv bay area broadcast on 96 will be angels vs. a's on sunday. hope they get the audio going by then...

Some weird news to report on.

I had scheduled in my H20 program guide Angels vs. Mariners to follow Yankees vs. Indians.

When Y/I ended, I was given Giants vs. Rockies on FSN Rocky Mountain HD. and I checked the info, and low and behold, Giants vs. Rockies!

I ask about comcastsportsnet chicago in hd, because White Sox game that are in hd and this what the sent me.

Thanks for writing us back White Sox games in HD. I'm sorry that we don't carry White Sox games in HD right now. However, we often add programming based on customer requests, and I have forwarded your request to our programming department.

DIRECTV is committed to providing the best in HDTV programming. To do so, we're in constant discussions with various program providers to increase the number of high definition channels and programs we offer.

Stay tuned to DIRECTV.com/HDTV for the latest news and announcements as they become available.

Sincerely,

Agnes
DIRECTV Customer Service

I ask about comcastsportsnet chicago in hd, because White Sox game that are in hd and this what the sent me.

Thanks for writing us back White Sox games in HD. I'm sorry that we don't carry White Sox games in HD right now. However, we often add programming based on customer requests, and I have forwarded your request to our programming department.

DIRECTV is committed to providing the best in HDTV programming. To do so, we're in constant discussions with various program providers to increase the number of high definition channels and programs we offer.

Stay tuned to DIRECTV.com/HDTV for the latest news and announcements as they become available.

Sincerely,

Agnes
DIRECTV Customer Service

I like the response I received better -- hopefully it is accurate and it is added before the end of the year.

I spoke with Directv and Comcast Sports Net and both confirmed that Comcast Sportsnet HD will be added later this year.

Some weird news to report on.

I had scheduled in my H20 program guide Angels vs. Mariners to follow Yankees vs. Indians.

When Y/I ended, I was given Giants vs. Rockies on FSN Rocky Mountain HD. and I checked the info, and low and behold, Giants vs. Rockies!

so were we in the bay area. unfortunately, since it was on FSN RM HD, we were blacked out of the hd version here. so obviously extra innings has to have picked up a bay area fox feed for us to get the hd version of the game. so we haven't reached comcast levels yet. i'll take what i can get.

follow this DirecTV link - it is showing that the RedSox - Devil Rays game is on Channel 57 in the Orlando DMA. Interesting - can anyone confirm this info.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/epg/theGuide.jsp?d=187&h=19&tz=e&l=1&z=32810&fl=_d&ct=Sports&x=10&y=9

follow this DirecTV link - it is showing that the RedSox - Devil Rays game is on Channel 57 in the Orlando DMA. Interesting - can anyone confirm this info.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/epg/theGuide.jsp?d=187&h=19&tz=e&l=1&z=32810&fl=_d&ct=Sports&x=10&y=9
Judging from the Devil Rays schedule, it looks like a local OTA station broadcast, PAX in fact, probably just a SD feed...

I've been following this thread for a short time. So what is the bottom line? Is FSNBA available in HD in the Bay Area or not? I will upgrade to the mpeg4 receiver if someone can definitively tell me that it's available.

I've been following this thread for a short time. So what is the bottom line? Is FSNBA available in HD in the Bay Area or not? I will upgrade to the mpeg4 receiver if someone can definitively tell me that it's available.

tonight's a's/angels game is now scheduled on ch. 96, so it seems that whenever one of the local teams' fsnba broadcast is on mlb extra innings then it will probably show up in hd on 96. not quite as complete as comcast but it should be a majority of the games.

now lets hope we also get audio tonight.

tonight's a's/angels game is now scheduled on ch. 96, so it seems that whenever one of the local teams' fsnba broadcast is on mlb extra innings then it will probably show up in hd on 96. not quite as complete as comcast but it should be a majority of the games.

now lets hope we also get audio tonight.
Here's a link to the HD schedules for the bay area teams, if you don't already have it.

http://fsnbayarea.com/FSNHD.jsp
FSN HD

Judging from the Devil Rays schedule, it looks like a local OTA station broadcast, PAX in fact, probably just a SD feed...

Here are the Orlando Locals, pax (i) is 56 - not 57. The guide said OR57 for the game though. Anyone in Orlando confirm? Also, when I scrolled through the listings from the first post, after the game it shows NO programming.

Here are the Orlando Locals, pax (i) is 56 - not 57. The guide said OR57 for the game though. Anyone in Orlando confirm?
I saw a post from like last weekend where someone in Orlando said that a Rays game was on their channel 57 but was in SD.

Found it:

Here in the Orlando market, we now see a channel OR57, which says TBA. We have no local OTA channel 57. The other night that channel had the Marlins/Devil Ray game on it, in SD, while it was either 95 or 96 that had the same game in HD. Wondering if that is what they will use for our HD RSN games, although it is shown on the H10 receiver program guide, and my understanding is that the new RSNs were to be in MPG4, and require the H20 receiver and AT9 dish.

Thanks Paulie - it WOULD be nice if D* would put out a blurb on all of this - wouldn't it?

Thanks Paulie - it WOULD be nice if D* would put out a blurb on all of this - wouldn't it?
DirecTV enjoys being mysterious :eek:

DirecTV enjoys being mysterious :eek:

My source agrees with that. :rolleyes:

Here's a link to the HD schedules for the bay area teams, if you don't already have it.

http://fsnbayarea.com/FSNHD.jsp
FSN HD

unfortunately, i don't think it's that easy. unlike comcast, where all of fsnba games will be in hd, i think the d*tv version depends on whether or not mlb ei is carrying the bay area version. and like last night when mlb ei carried the colorado feed, us in the bay who use d*tv didn't see the hd version of the giants game. luckily, tonight's a's game is on. and the audio has been turned on!

FSNBA up with audio tonight. A's vs. Angel's on channel 96. Life is good.

there seems to be an increase in the number of national hd games that directv is showing. while only the yankees-indians game shows up in the guide for this evening, after it ended we also have gotten the giants-dodgers via the dodgers feed.

last night the rockies game came on after the yankees game, although for most of the day only the yankees game was listed. there are two games currently listed on 95 for both friday and sunday. that would mean directv will have shown nine games on 95 between wednesday and sunday.

Here in Los Angeles tonight the Dodgers FOX Sports West Prime Ticket HD game is on Ch. 96 with the audio fixed this time. 5 LNB Dish w/ H20.

Dre

Here in Los Angeles tonight the Dodgers FOX Sports West Prime Ticket HD game is on Ch. 96 with the audio fixed this time. 5 LNB Dish w/ H20.

Dre

I'm getting the game in Las Vegas in mpeg2/channel 95. (H10/3 LNB dish)

Now I find out the A's vs Angels game was on in HD. Would've loved to see the Big Hurt end it in HD....

I'm getting the game in Las Vegas in mpeg2/channel 95. (H10/3 LNB dish)
I need to remember to check that channel, I flipped it off after the Yankee game was over.

I'm getting the game in Las Vegas in mpeg2/channel 95. (H10/3 LNB dish)

So channel 95 is mpeg 2 then? I have been getting all the Yankee games this week from YESHD on that channel and I want sure if this was part of the RSN's roll out or not.

Oh well, I will just wait some more until the games come out in mpeg 4......

Will they add Comcast Sportsnet HD in Washington, DC? I'd sure like to see my Wizards and Caps in HD!

Oh well, I will just wait some more until the games come out in mpeg 4......Why should it matter to you which encoding/decoding scheme is used? :confused:

So channel 95 is mpeg 2 then? I have been getting all the Yankee games this week from YESHD on that channel and I want sure if this was part of the RSN's roll out or not.

Oh well, I will just wait some more until the games come out in mpeg 4......

It Is part of the RSN rollout - because now that so many of the other teams that used to share this 1 HD sports channel are in MPEG4, it has freed up additional slots and they have increased the number of NYY games being delivered by D*. D* was NOT showing ALL of the YES produced HD games - very few of the road games, etc - and I believe they will be showing ALL games being offered by YES-HD.

I have a feeling that YES will stay CONUS, and move to MPEG4 when DIRECTV 10/11 launches.

Why should it matter to you which encoding/decoding scheme is used? :confused:

It matters only that I am curious to see if there is any difference in picture quality between mpeg 2 and mpeg 4 from D*. Other than that, I don't care as long as I get the channel and it looks good, which it does :)

But a great deal of this PQ stuff is dependant on so much more than JUST D*. Reports of PQ (just like all opinions) are ALL over the place.

Also, besides the OBJECTIVE pieces (rezz, bitrates, etc.), the size, technology and quality of the HDTV monitor, the final part is the HUMAN eye.

But a great deal of this PQ stuff is dependant on so much more than JUST D*. Reports of PQ (just like all opinions) are ALL over the place.

Also, besides the OBJECTIVE pieces (rezz, bitrates, etc.), the size, technology and quality of the HDTV monitor, the final part is the HUMAN eye.

But it's something that a lot of us are/maybe concerned with. E*'s MPEG 4 PQ(or lack there of) is the only reason I havent made a switch from D* yet. I've read that D*'s MPEG4 LIL's look pretty good to very good PQ-wise for the most part, and would be interested to hear how the MPEG4 RSN broadcasts are looking.

Us without the newer equipment are relying on you guys to offer up some opinions...... :D

But it's something that a lot of us are/maybe concerned with. E*'s MPEG 4 PQ(or lack there of) is the only reason I havent made a switch from D* yet. I've read that D*'s MPEG4 LIL's look pretty good to very good PQ-wise for the most part, and would be interested to hear how the MPEG4 RSN broadcasts are looking.

Us without the newer equipment are relying on you guys to offer up some opinions...... :D

Yeah - I know that, but as you will see here, the responses are all over the place. In my case (NYC DMA) I see no difference on the NBC, ABC, or FOX channels between MPEG4 and MPEG2 - I have had some issues with the CBS MPEG4 picture.

For example, I have seen some PQ complaints about STO from people in Cleveland - I have also seen some posts that say the PQ is amazing - GO FIGURE!

Anyone live in the SF Bay and able to watch either the Giants or A's games in HD on channels 96 or 97. In a previous post it was mentioned that FSBayArea was not on the list because it was not O&O by Fox Sports. However, I just spoke with D* and they said that it is on the list for games only.

So...anyone been able to watch a Giants game in HD.

Yeah - I know that, but as you will see here, the responses are all over the place. In my case (NYC DMA) I see no difference on the NBC, ABC, or FOX channels between MPEG4 and MPEG2 - I have had some issues with the CBS MPEG4 picture.

For example, I have seen some PQ complaints about STO from people in Cleveland - I have also seen some posts that say the PQ is amazing - GO FIGURE!

I guess I should just pony up for a new dish and receiver and see for myself since they just added two of the Raleigh locals in MPEG4(I get them all OTA other than PBS). I would get FSNS's two games listed for this month...... YAY! :o

I see where you're coming from, but I'd still like to hear what people have to say about PQ with the usual understanding on my part that it's a dynamic situation, and that it's only someone's opinion. That way I can make the determination in regards to who's opinions REALLY matter...... :eek: :D :cool:

That's what has prevented me from going with the H20, no definitive answers on PQ and I already have Dish locals which are in need of improvement. That, and no DVR, plus the baseball season is already half over, means I'll probably just wait, I've gone years without seeing my local teams in HD already, so another 6-9 mos won't kill me.

That's what has prevented me from going with the H20, no definitive answers on PQ and I already have Dish locals which are in need of improvement. That, and no DVR, plus the baseball season is already half over, means I'll probably just wait, I've gone years without seeing my local teams in HD already, so another 6-9 mos won't kill me.

You are right, directv hd is awash with mass confusion and missing features, stick with dish.

That's what has prevented me from going with the H20, no definitive answers on PQ and I already have Dish locals which are in need of improvement. That, and no DVR, plus the baseball season is already half over, means I'll probably just wait, I've gone years without seeing my local teams in HD already, so another 6-9 mos won't kill me.

While we dont get much baseball on FSNS(and I'm a transplanted Angels fan anyways), I'm pretty sure most of the Stanley Cup Champion :eek: Hurricane's home games are done in HD..... that's when I'll have to bite the bullet and make a move. Hockey season cranks up around October/November.

Hopefully, if there's a God above, D* will FINALLY have a MPEG4 DVR ready by then. :cool:

You are right, directv hd is awash with mass confusion and missing features, stick with dish.

Troll say what? Have you seen the E* MPEG4 that Keenan has seen first hand?

That's what has prevented me from going with the H20, no definitive answers on PQ and I already have Dish locals which are in need of improvement. That, and no DVR, plus the baseball season is already half over, means I'll probably just wait, I've gone years without seeing my local teams in HD already, so another 6-9 mos won't kill me.

There are software updates on the horizon for the H20s - including a major one in the works now that will be the one giving the H20 interactivity. Its being (been) under discussion somewhat at dbstalk.

It's a work in progress to be sure, frankly I don't mind 'beta' testing in order to get my locals and whatever else is on the way. Since I got the AT9 and the H20s for free - I had no downside, I still get the MPEG2HD stuff, and get to 'view' the rollout and its progress.

I really couldn't switch anyhow - not until DISH gets YES (and that ain't happening anytime soon either).

(It is also awash with many additional HD baseball games in recent days, Bob.)

There is an interesting clash in tone between what keenan writes and the shrillness of your constantly venomous anti-DirecTV posts -- or anyone who dares utter a positive thing about D*.

While keenan is thoughtful, looking for the best HD experience and constantly seeking information, you are, well, you do seem to have all the answers conveniently at your finger tips. And when they don't appear as called for, you can always fall back on those DirecTV "sources".

Exactly what "mass confusion" is washing over DirecTV HD?

Each provider has its strengths and its weaknesse. And each apparently has those to whom it can do no right.

After dozens and dozens and dozens of your repetitive posts, I think we all understand: you don't like anything about DirecTV HD.

There are software updates on the horizon for the H20s - including a major one in the works now that will be the one giving the H20 interactivity. Its being (been) under discussion somewhat at dbstalk.

It's a work in progress to be sure, frankly I don't mind 'beta' testing in order to get my locals and whatever else is on the way. Since I got the AT9 and the H20s for free - I had no downside, I still get the MPEG2HD stuff, and get to 'view' the rollout and its progress.

I really couldn't switch anyhow - not until DISH gets YES (and that ain't happening anytime soon either).
Frankly, I would add an H20 if I was certain I wouldn't lose my DNS feeds prematurely, at least I know the PQ there, and I can record it, if I went to the H20, with possible PQ problems, and no DVR, and lose DNS, I wouldn't be a happy camper at all. :p

Frankly, I would add an H20 if I was certain I wouldn't lose my DNS feeds prematurely, at least I know the PQ there, and I can record it, if I went to the H20, with possible PQ problems, an no DVR, and lose DNS, I wouldn't be a happy camper at all. :p

Got ya - I am luckily NOT in the DNS thing - but ya make perfect sense.

Troll say what? Have you seen the E* MPEG4 that Keenan has seen first hand?

Actually yes I have, I work with all the available hd services for my job, I am not a subscriber of directv myself.

It's a joke anyone would ever compare PQ of dish to directv, sorry. However no matter how much better mpeg 4 might look on directv in some cases, it's still far more prone to regular pixelation, audio drops, etc.

Frankly, I would add an H20 if I was certain I wouldn't lose my DNS feeds prematurely, at least I know the PQ there, and I can record it, if I went to the H20, with possible PQ problems, an no DVR, and lose DNS, I wouldn't be a happy camper at all. :p

I agree completely. I wouldn't toss by HD TiVos for the MPEG4 until I know there is a working HD DVR to take their places.

If I were allowed to, I would try a new H20 unit -- if I could keep the HD TivOs. We'll see, but it appears that when you go to MPEG4, your MPEG2 HD service is cut off.

And with Time Warner about to get control of Adelphia here in Los Angeles, we'll have to see what that brings to the equation. (Finally we may actually have an alternative to satellite if TW can provide it.)

Otherwise there is Verizon looming -- although it is apparently a year or more away.

(It is also awash with many additional HD baseball games in recent days, Bob.)

There is an interesting clash in tone between what keenan writes and the shrillness of your constantly venomous anti-DirecTV posts -- or anyone who dares utter a positive thing about D*.

While keenan is thoughtful, looking for the best HD experience and constantly seeking information, you are, well, you do seem to have all the answers conveniently at your finger tips. And when they don't appear as called for, you can always fall back on those DirecTV "sources".

Exactly what "mass confusion" is washing over DirecTV HD?

Each provider has its strengths and its weaknesse. And each apparently has those to whom it can do no right.

After dozens and dozens and dozens of your repetitive posts, I think we all understand: you don't like anything about DirecTV HD.

Directv has advantages over dish, but dish clearly has the lead in hd offerings, which is what this community is about.

What confusion? Just check out this thread....what rsns are available in hd, how do I get them....or when will the mpeg 4 dvr be out...it goes on and on.

I agree completely. I wouldn't toss by HD TiVos for the MPEG4 until I know there is a working HD DVR to take their places.

If I were allowed to, I would try a new H20 unit -- if I could keep the HD TivOs. We'll see, but it appears that when you go to MPEG4, your MPEG2 HD service is cut off.

And with Time Warner about to get control of Adelphia here in Los Angeles, we'll have to see what that brings to the equation. (Finally we may actually have an alternative to satellite if TW can provide it.)

Otherwise there is Verizon looming -- although it is apparently a year or more away.
Yes, the day my DNS goes dark is when I'll get the MPEG4 equipment because at that point I won't have anything to lose.

Why do they make all this so difficult??? :p :D

Got ya - I am luckily NOT in the DNS thing - but ya make perfect sense.
Plus, since I've seen so many Yankee games I've become a Yankee by default because I NEVER got to see my local teams because of Comcast. Giants? A's? who are they..? :p :D

Actually yes I have, I work with all the available hd services for my job, I am not a subscriber of directv myself.

It's a joke anyone would ever compare PQ of dish to directv, sorry. However no matter how much better mpeg 4 might look on directv in some cases, it's still far more prone to regular pixelation, audio drops, etc.

That is certainly your opinion -- and, obviously, it is shared by quite a few other posters.

But it isn't the ONLY opinion. It isn't even the only "informed" opinion, despite what you would lead us to believe.

I don't know what your "job" is that requires you to "work with all the available HD services" but I would disagree with your blanket statement. I have spent a lifetime in television control rooms. There are some Dish channels that seems crisper to me than DirecTV, but many seem comparable.

The Cox HD I have seen in the San Diego area seems better than either DBS offering, as does the FiOS i watched in Texas recently and the Comcast I saw a few months ago in Philadelphia.

Yes, no doubt, most cable services look better than both dbs services.

I know some people disagree with me, but my only point was I have a strong argument to back up my opinions, and I am hardly the only one who thinks so as some seem to try to make me look like, if anything far more in this community prefer dish for hd quality.

What confusion? Just check out this thread....what rsns are available in hd, how do I get them....or when will the mpeg 4 dvr be out...it goes on and on.


I assume everything is clear on the E* side then (no confusion there?)

I know what RSN's are available on D* (I can point out the thread if you want), but for the life of me I can't seem to find information on when they will be available on E*..can you help clear up my confusion?

Also, is there a clear answer on whether you can get more then 1 MPEG4 DVR from E*?

shall I continue?

I assume everything is clear on the E* side then (no confusion there?)

I know what RSN's are available on D* (I can point out the thread if you want), but for the life of me I can't seem to find information on when they will be available on E*..can you help clear up my confusion?

Also, is there a clear answer on whether you can get more then 1 MPEG4 DVR from E*?

shall I continue?

How is it confusing to not know about channels that do not exist? Directv has channels up that most customers have no clue exist.

"Also, is there a clear answer on whether you can get more then 1 MPEG4 DVR from E*?"

Yes, that is a far more critical issue for dish subs than when one will be out at all for directv subs. You don't have to be too intelligent to figure out how to acquire more than one from dish anyway.

It's a joke anyone would ever compare PQ of dish to directv, sorry. However no matter how much better mpeg 4 might look on directv in some cases, it's still far more prone to regular pixelation, audio drops, etc.
To respond to this part of the post, the Dish locals here in SF are no picnic. I don't need perfection, but these channels are not acceptable to me in their present condition. I don't imagine DirecTV would be much different, for both satcos in most cases they are collected OTA, crammed into fiber, sent to Colorado, and Scotty beams them up.

I still have a Comcast account, and will continue to have it until either D* or E* can get the PQ at least very close to Comcast, so far, Dish is not even close. I haven't seen DirecTV's locals.

What specific problems do you experience with your dish locals? Just lack of sharpness?

What specific problems do you experience with your dish locals? Just lack of sharpness?
This really isn't the thread, but quick and dirty,

None of the 4 channels have the sharpness and detail of Comcast.

The 2 720p channels look the best but have been plagued by audio sync issues.

The 2 1080i channels both look soft, and of those, the NBC station has some severe blurring problems with a lot of material. SNL can look and sound fine, then a Wimbledon show will have peoples faces melting and blurring. It literally looks like what a person might see on acid, not good, not acceptable. CBS looks okay, but is soft, which is sad because KPIX in SF puts out one of the finest looking HD pictures ever, and somewhere along the line, Dish has destroyed it.

It has been reported that Dish has had issues with their MPEG4 equipment and they are aware of it so I'm giving them time, but come the fall TV season it better be right or I'll have to continue to have Comcast.

So channel 95 is mpeg 2 then? I have been getting all the Yankee games this week from YESHD on that channel and I want sure if this was part of the RSN's roll out or not.

Oh well, I will just wait some more until the games come out in mpeg 4......


i am getting the games on 95. i haven't upgraded to the mpeg4 receiver as yet.

it looks like directv is increasing both the number of yankee games being shown nationally in mpeg2 as well as all other teams. from the start of the season until the end of june, directv had shown 76 hd games on channels 95 and 96, of which 31 were yankees games. that's an average of 6 games a week, of which 2.5 were yankees games. directv had shown five of the eleven yes televised hd yankee away games.

in the first week in july, there have been (counting tonight's game) five yankees games in high defintion in mpeg2 and eleven total games. one week is a small sample, but at least for now the trend is substantially more games available in mpeg2 for national distribution. for those of us with rsn's that have yet to discover hd (kansas city), this is very good news.

Indeed - more Yankees games ( and in HD to boot) is a strong DirecTV advantage over E*.

More RSN-HD (none for E*) is a strong D* advantage.

Indeed - more Yankees games ( and in HD to boot) is a strong DirecTV advantage over E*.

More RSN-HD (none for E*) is a strong D* advantage.

If only you could record them.

The world doesn't revolve around a second place team or a handful of small rsns. What advantages directv hd has on dish is on the local level, that is true.

If only you could record them.

The world doesn't revolve around a second place team or a handful of small rsns. What advantages directv hd has on dish is on the local level, that is true.

there is something called the nfl with only one provider that will be showing roughly nine nfl hd games per football weekend in hd for the rest of this decade.

there is something called the nfl with only one provider that will be showing roughly nine nfl hd games per football weekend in hd for the rest of this decade.

Yes, I believe I heard about that when reading about the fulltime nfl network hd channel on dish.

Yes, this is a significant advantage for directv, but one that has been around for years and we will see what the hd games are like on directv this year, otherwise it doesn't have much relevance to this community.

If only you could record them.

The world doesn't revolve around a second place team or a handful of small rsns. What advantages directv hd has on dish is on the local level, that is true.
I never record sports broadcasts so that's not a factor for me with the H20. If I don't see it live, I just don't see it.

I don't record them and store them much myself, but pausing livetv sure comes in handy in most households like mine, nice to able to replay footage yourself too.

True, pausing and playback is very nice.

Hopefully Philly will have local sports via D*tv....soon, oh very soon I hope!!!!

Can all of the sniping back and forth about what E* and D* have/don't have/is crappy stop?

I am looking at this thread for updates about the RSN's and I keep seeing all the back and
forth.

Mod's, please either close this thread or moderate it.

Can all of the sniping back and forth about what E* and D* have/don't have/is crappy stop?

I am looking at this thread for updates about the RSN's and I keep seeing all the back and
forth.

Mod's, please either close this thread or moderate it.

If Directv would release some info about them, we might have more to talk about.

Can all of the sniping back and forth about what E* and D* have/don't have/is crappy stop?

I am looking at this thread for updates about the RSN's and I keep seeing all the back and
forth.

Mod's, please either close this thread or moderate it.

Agreed

Update:

Early next week we'll be getting news from D* on this subject.

Update:

Early next week we'll be getting news from D* on this subject.

hallelujah, though I'm sure it will just confirm what we already know, but hopefully the subs that don't visit there boards will at least learn something.

hallelujah, though I'm sure it will just confirm what we already know, but hopefully the subs that don't visit there boards will at least learn something.
I'm hoping to learn something, maybe you will too.

I'm hoping to learn something, maybe you will too.

We doubt it, Ken. ;)

looks like fsn bay area hd games will only be shown when they are the channel of choice of mlb extra innings. tonight's giants/dodgers game was scheduled on ch96, but it's not there, evidently because the ei broadcast is the dodger feed. oh well, i'll take whatever i can get.

looks like fsb bay area hd games will only be shown when they are the channel of choice of extra innings. tonight's giants/dodgers game was schedule on ch96, but it's not there, evidently because the ei broadcast is the dodger feed. oh well, i'll take whatever i can get.

The FSN Prime Ticket HD feed Giants/Dodgers game is also on channel 95 in mpeg2 tonite. Bonds just hit 720.

The FSN Prime Ticket HD feed Giants/Dodgers game is also on channel 95 in mpeg2 tonite. Bonds just hit 720.

unfortunately, that's a blackout if you're in the bay area. those of us with d*tv are out of luck on the hd front unless it's the giant's(or a's) feed.

hallelujah, though I'm sure it will just confirm what we already know, but hopefully the subs that don't visit there boards will at least learn something.

Thing is the vast majority of D* subs can't even get these channels because they are in MPEG4.

D* has done this before. They most likely have been trying this out to make sure it works well before making a big press release. Also need to make sure that they have enough H20's and AT9 dishes in stock to fill any demand that occurs because of a press release. I just don't understand your problem with this. To the general public perhaps July 15th will be the day D* started carrying RSN's in HD. To us we got to see them 15 days early. It's a win-win all around in my book.

If only you could record them.

The world doesn't revolve around a second place team or a handful of small rsns. What advantages directv hd has on dish is on the local level, that is true.

Questioner, why would I need to record them - just like your precious RedSox, they repeat the games at least once (usually twice) - they are only regular season games.

And as we see the world doesn't revolve around your RedSox - were they in HD tonight on D*? I noticed that nesn wasn't put on a CONUS beam tonight - were they?

But since you don't get DirecTV (yeah right) - why are you so OBSESSED with what they do anyway?

Questioner, why would I need to record them - just like your precious RedSox, they repeat the games at least once (usually twice) - they are only regular season games.

And as we see the world doesn't revolve around your RedSox - were they in HD tonight on D*? I noticed that nesn wasn't put on a CONUS beam tonight - were they?

But since you don't get DirecTV (yeah right) - why are you so OBSESSED with what they do anyway?

You won't see the game repeated on partime RSNs in hd. I believe the red sox were on national tv tonight on espn hd, rightly so as the best two teams of 04 and 05 went head to head.

Im sorry it's so hard for you to believe I am not questioner or subscribe to directv.

&#^%#! DirecTV cut-off the mpeg2/channel 95 Prime Ticket HD feed of the Giants/Dodgers game on 95 in the middle of a 9th inning Barry Bonds at bat.

Bonds singled in a run, then Durham flied out and Feliz struck out.
Dodgers 9, Giants 7.

Anyone live in the SF Bay and able to watch either the Giants or A's games in HD on channels 96 or 97. In a previous post it was mentioned that FSBayArea was not on the list because it was not O&O by Fox Sports. However, I just spoke with D* and they said that it is on the list for games only.

So...anyone been able to watch a Giants game in HD.

Yes both A's and Giant's games have been broadcast since July 1. I have watched many of them. The PQ is very good. Check the FSN Bay Area website for the schedules. BTW all games have been on channel 96 so far.

not all games. the other night when the giants were playing the dodgers, and the extra innings feeds was the los angeles fox network, we in the bay area were blacked out. hopefully, it will be every game going forward. the pq is terrific.

not all games. the other night when the giants were playing the dodgers, and the extra innings feeds was the los angeles fox network, we in the bay area were blacked out. hopefully, it will be every game going forward. the pq is terrific.
Is the PQ better, on average, than the local channels?

I'm in NY and the Yankee-Devil Ray just finished on Channel 95 at about 4:45 EST (mpeg-2, I guess). I was wondering did anyone see on Channel 95 the start of the Giants-Dodgers game on Channel 95 which was scheduled for 4:30 EST? How did D* handle that?

I'm in NY and the Yankee-Devil Ray just finished on Channel 95 at about 4:45 EST (mpeg-2, I guess). I was wondering did anyone see on Channel 95 the start of the Giants-Dodgers game on Channel 95 which was scheduled for 4:30 EST? How did D* handle that?

Here in NC, I got the same switch over as you...... heck, they could have bailed on the YES coverage 10 minutes earlier instead of showing all the commercials, replays & postgame show.

Oh well...... they'll get it right eventually.

Both games with excellent PQ today BTW(via HR10-250).

Is the PQ better, on average, than the local channels?

pretty much as far as the mpeg4 goes. but i normally watch any hd on locals with an ota antenna, and that does tend to be better than d*tv compressed signal. since i don't have that option here, it's a moot point. im happy to have any local baseball in hd. fsn ba w/o hd is just terrible on a 50" plasma.

pretty much as far as the mpeg4 goes. but i normally watch any hd on locals with an ota antenna, and that does tend to be better than d*tv compressed signal. since i don't have that option here, it's a moot point. im happy to have any local baseball in hd. fsn ba w/o hd is just terrible on a 50" plasma.
Thanks, I'm going to have to find someone locally and go see what the MPEG4 locals look like. Did you get the LA HD feeds, and if so, how does the MPEG4 locals compare to those?

Sorry for the off-topic. :)

anyone have any idea when D* will release info on the rsn's in hd?

anyone have any idea when D* will release info on the rsn's in hd?

look up about 20 posts and you will see the answer (Ken's post # 374)

anyone have any idea when D* will release info on the rsn's in hd?

The rumor is directv will finally be releasing a press release early this week about them.

anyone have any idea when D* will release info on the rsn's in hd?

As soon as you find out something, please tell DirecTV!!!

Thanks, I'm going to have to find someone locally and go see what the MPEG4 locals look like. Did you get the LA HD feeds, and if so, how does the MPEG4 locals compare to those?

Sorry for the off-topic. :)

the la feeds were blacked out in the bay area, so no, i didn't see it.

Press Release Source: DIRECTV, Inc.


DIRECTV Expands HD Sports Programming with MLB Games from Regional Sports Networks
Monday July 10, 4:42 pm ET
HD Games Now Available in 13 Major Markets
Six More Markets to Launch in Coming Weeks


EL SEGUNDO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 10, 2006--DIRECTV is stacking the lineup with more HD sports programming by delivering Major League Baseball games produced in HD by regional sports networks (RSNs) in 19 major markets.
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DIRECTV is now broadcasting all MLB games produced in HD from the following RSNs: FSN Prime Ticket (Los Angeles Dodgers), FSN West (Los Angeles Angels), FSN Bay Area (San Francisco Giants, Oakland A's), FSN South (Atlanta Braves), FSN Houston (Astros), FSN Detroit (Tigers), FSN Florida (Marlins, Devil Rays), SportsTime Ohio (Cleveland Indians), FSN North (Minnesota Twins), FSN Northwest (Seattle Mariners), FSN Arizona (Diamondbacks), FSN Rocky Mountain (Colorado Rockies) and Turner South (Atlanta Braves).

On July 18, HD MLB games from YES Network (Yankees) and FSN Southwest (Rangers HD games will be seen only in the Dallas DMA) will be available, as well as a continuous 24/7 HD feed from NESN HD (Red Sox). In August DIRECTV will deliver HD MLB games from SportsNet New York (Mets), as well as continuous 24/7 HD feeds from Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic HD (Orioles) and Comcast SportsNet Chicago HDTV (Cubs, White Sox).

The RSNs' HD games will be broadcast by DIRECTV via a local market spot beam, and as a result, the RSN programming will be available only to those customers who live within the local DMA (designated market area) spot beam and the RSN team territory. The games will be available at no extra charge.

In addition to the MLB games, DIRECTV will also carry NHL and NBA games that are televised on the RSNs when their seasons start in the fall.

"If we hear one thing from our HD customers, it's 'give us more sports programming in HD,' and we plan to do that throughout the year, beginning with more Major League Baseball games in HD via the RSNs in several of the largest markets," said Dan Fawcett, executive vice president, Programming Acquisition, DIRECTV, Inc. "With all of the regional sports networks' games produced in HD -- including MLB, NHL and NBA, and the more than 110 NFL games DIRECTV will broadcast in HD this fall, we'll offer fans the best selection of HD sports programming available anywhere."

Customers who live within the RSN team territory and the spot beam area will also be required to have the H20 (MPEG4 compatible) HD receiver along with a five LNB dish to receive the RSN's HD programming. The HD games will be available on viewer channel 96 or 97 in each market, and the 24/7 RSNs will be seen on a separate channel that will have the same viewer channel number as their standard definition feed. For customers outside the spot beam, select HD games may be available on channel 95.

Customers can visit DIRECTV.com to determine if they are within the team territory and spot beam and can receive the games.

About DIRECTV, Inc.

DIRECTV, Inc. is the nation's leading digital television service provider with more than 15.4 million customers. DIRECTV and the Cyclone Design logo are registered trademarks of DIRECTV, Inc. DIRECTV (NYSE:DTV - News) is a world-leading provider of digital multichannel television entertainment. DIRECTV is approximately 38 percent owned by News Corporation.

The rumor is directv will finally be releasing a press release early this week about them.Rumor? Once again you are incorrect, not only about the info and when it would show up being a 'rumor', but also about the info itself, and the fact you insisted DirecTV would not have NESN full time in HD any time soon, which the press release clearly states. I could go on, but why bother....

You owe this forum, and a few specific members, an apology.

You owe this forum, and a few specific members, an apology.

Odds are the people deserving it wont get it...... but hey, he still has the "You can't record them" argument, right?

So the troll wasnt completely wrong...... just 99 percent. :eek:

The list of RSN's that D* is rolling out in HD is impressive to say the least.

If only we could get every baseball, hockey, or basketball game in HD if we're a subscriber to the various Pro sports packages similar to how they do with the Sunday Ticket.

Maybe next year with a MLB SuperFan package?? :D

Odds are the people deserving it wont get it...... but hey, he still has the "You can't record them" argument, right?

So the troll wasnt completely wrong...... just 99 percent. :eek:He will be 100% wrong soon enough.

Rumor? Once again you are incorrect, not only about the info and when it would show up being a 'rumor', but also about the info itself, and the fact you insisted DirecTV would not have NESN full time in HD any time soon, which the press release clearly states. I could go on, but why bother....

You owe this forum, and a few specific members, an apology.

Well now fellas, TVbob did state yesterday (Sunday) the rumor is D* will be releasing a press release "early" this week and guess what...he was right.

Well now fellas, TVbob did state yesterday (Sunday) the rumor is D* will be releasing a press release "early" this week and guess what...he was right.

Thank you, so far I have been right about nearly everything I have reported, give me some credit is all I ask. It should be pretty clear by now I have some valid connections with broadcasting services. Hopefully I can clear up this nesn matter once and for all.

I am trying to get ahold of someone halfway important at directv to see if this mistake can be cleared up and a correct press release distributed.

hehe! Too funny! :D

hehe! Too funny! :D

Hehe, about as funny as all my correct directv reports in the past.

Well now fellas, TVbob did state yesterday (Sunday) the rumor is D* will be releasing a press release "early" this week and guess what...he was right.

Well, now he's trying to get his "sources" at Directvt to "distribute a correct press release". If he knew that DTV would be sending out a press release early this week, why didn't he get his sources to make sure that it was correct?

Well now fellas, TVbob did state yesterday (Sunday) the rumor is D* will be releasing a press release "early" this week and guess what...he was right.
TVBob heard about the press release coming this week when we all did, which was out of Ken H's mouth. Don't dare give TVBob credit for something Ken did.

Well, now he's trying to get his "sources" at Directvt to "distribute a correct press release". If he knew that DTV would be sending out a press release early this week, why didn't he get his sources to make sure that it was correct?

Unfortunately my source could not find out what would be in the press release, nor does he have the power to change their press releases in any case.

Hopefully I can clear up this nesn matter once and for all.

So the Directv press release with a quote from a Directv official didn't clear up the NESN matter and all of the other RSN matters?

TVBob heard about the press release coming this week when we all did, which was out of Ken H's mouth. Don't dare give TVBob credit for something Ken did.

I don't recall seeing anything about it here, but I do think someone else confirmed the rumor last night at dbstalk after my post.

So the Directv press release with a quote from a Directv official didn't clear up the NESN matter and all of the other RSN matters?

If directv had an agreement with NESN already, I would know about it, and the channel would be launched....rarely do they give some specific information about channel launches before the fact. Something is funny about the press release for sure.

I don't recall seeing anything about it here, but I do think someone else confirmed the rumor last night at dbstalk after my post.
You are SO full of it, you are unbelievable...

From this thread....
Update:

Early next week we'll be getting news from D* on this subject.

To which you replied:
hallelujah, though I'm sure it will just confirm what we already know, but hopefully the subs that don't visit there boards will at least learn something.

Get over youfself dude.

I don't see anything about a rsn hd related press release.

I don't see anything about a rsn hd related press release.
Are you mentally challenged? What do you think this thread is about? Can you read the title? Also, do you know what we've been talking about here? Or then again, maybe you don't.

I guess I see your point, but the information I received was more specific. I didn't really think of the kenh vague post when I learned about it.

I guess I see your point, but the information I received was more specific. I didn't really think of the kenh vague post when I learned about it.
Vague.... Okay man, whatever you say. I just can't argue with you because you enfuriate me with your ignorance.

So - how did I do with my original post?

BTW - I credit my source - EB!

So - how did I do with my original post?

BTW - I credit my source - EB!

Pretty good. Better than TvBob.

Hmmm, I can't seem to find anything that has actually happened to discredit my claims.

So the press release doesn't do that? Just curious as to what you believe it'll take to "discredit your claims" b/c it seems that the press release has or will.

So the press release doesn't do that? Just curious as to what you believe it'll take to "discredit your claims" b/c it seems that the press release has or will.

It wouldn't be the first time a press release was inaccurate, particularly in this case when the nesn claim is likely based on a deal being finalized, which is not a guarantee, and which is why broadcasters generally don't announce new channels ahead of time.

It wouldn't be the first time a press release was inaccurate, particularly in this case when the nesn claim is likely based on a deal being finalized, which is not a guarantee, and which is why broadcasters generally don't announce new channels ahead of time.
So when NESN HD is live on DirecTV next Tuesday, what will your excuse be then? You will then be pointing out that you were not wrong somehow, I'm sure.

How?


By every word you post. You said that the RSNS wouldn't happen when they did. You said NESN was months away. Then, when presented with evidence that you are wrong, you refuse to accept that you were wrong. Plus you take credit for the press release when it was Ken H. who gave out that info. And then you denied knowing about it when you referred to it in one of your posts.
Plus calling the Directv press release as "speculative". What exactly was "speculative" about it? Did it say NESN may start on July 18? No, it said it would start on July 18. That's pretty definite in my book.

It wouldn't be the first time a press release was inaccurate, particularly in this case when the nesn claim is likely based on a deal being finalized, which is not a guarantee, and which is why broadcasters generally don't announce new channels ahead of time.


OK, since you brought it up, TVBob, please give us examples of previous DirecTV press releases which announced programming agreements would start on a specific day, and which turned out to be "inaccurate".

It would absolutely fly in the face of everything DirecTV has done regarding press releases to announce an agreement when, in your words "the nesn claim is likely based on a deal being finalized, which is not a guarantee".

And there is something else important here, too. Do you understand the liability DirecTV would have if this press release coming from investor relations were bogus?

The SEC could bring criminal charges because this NESN release.

If DirecTV is announcing a deal to investors then a deal has been finalized. Period.

Of course there are always technical snafus which could possibly push back the launch by a few days, I would guess, but the deal is done.

The sooner you admit that your source was WRONG the more credibility you might be able to salvage for the future.

[QUOTE=spoonman27]Press Release Source: DIRECTV, Inc.


"In August DIRECTV will deliver continuous 24/7 HD feeds from Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic HD (Orioles) and Comcast SportsNet Chicago HDTV (Cubs, White Sox)."

And they still won't release their stranglehold on CSN Philly. Is thre any update on this situation? I would gladly settle for a standard def version of it. Blasphmy in this forum I know but come on already.

And they still won't release their stranglehold on CSN Philly. Is thre any update on this situation? I would gladly settle for a standard def version of it. Blasphmy in this forum I know but come on already.
I think the only chance in the near future for getting CSN Philly on DirecTV will be this Thursday as the FCC votes on the Adelphia sale to Comcast and Time Warner. Although I personally think it's unlikely, there is a chance that the FCC will have Comcast make CSN Philly available to DirecTV and Echostar as a condition of the sale. I am personally hoping so, because I think it's terrible that they are doing that to fans in Philly who do not want cable. But, even if the FCC forces Comcast to make it available, I don't believe that automatically will add it to the DirecTV lineup. They would still have to negotiate carriage of the channel, and I'm not sure if Comcast would play dirty or not.

[QUOTE=spoonman27]Press Release Source: DIRECTV, Inc.


"In August DIRECTV will deliver continuous 24/7 HD feeds from Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic HD (Orioles) and Comcast SportsNet Chicago HDTV (Cubs, White Sox)."

And they still won't release their stranglehold on CSN Philly. Is thre any update on this situation? I would gladly settle for a standard def version of it. Blasphmy in this forum I know but come on already.


Originally NewsCorp had an ownership interest in CSN Chicago as well as CSN MA. As part of the deal to get ownership, Comcast had to agree to make it available to DBS.

I believe that eventually NewsCorp and Comcast will come to some agreement over CSN Philly -- simply because there is lots of money being left on the table by both of them at the moment.

But such an agreement probably will not come soon.

However were a la carte to come into effect it would probably come almost immediately, because such a high number of subs would opt out of RSNs -- including CSN Philly.

Thus Comcast would need every dollar it could get from willing subs, even if they were with Dish or DirecTV.

So what channel is CSN Chicago hd going be on, and what date?

Does anybody know what the deal with Channel 4 San Diego is? Is it under the terrestrial loophole? (possible, but Cox also puts their games on the Las Vegas system)

So what channel is CSN Chicago hd going be on, and what date?

According to the release, sometime in August.

Looks like the same channel you receive the SD feed of CSN CHI

" Customers who live within the RSN team territory and the spot beam area will also be required to have the H20 (MPEG4 compatible) HD receiver along with a five LNB dish to receive the RSN's HD programming. The HD games will be available on viewer channel 96 or 97 in each market, and the 24/7 RSNs will be seen on a separate channel that will have the same viewer channel number as their standard definition feed."

Have to wait and see really.

Does anybody know what the deal with Channel 4 San Diego is? Is it under the terrestrial loophole? (possible, but Cox also puts their games on the Las Vegas system)

The quick answer is yes, it is under the loophole.

question anyone know how to check if you qualify for the hd rsn feed on the D* website like the press release says you can do?

I would like to know this as well..seeing how I am in Louisiana, but will be gettting FSN Houston/Southwest, but unsure as to getting HD games...even though I could care less about the Astros...

Basically, it appears that if you get a city's locals in HD, you most likely would get the RSN -- barring a territorial overlap.

Specifics, I am sure, will be answered in the next few weeks.

I doubt you'll be able to get Dallas or Houston where you live, adgreer. And since Lubbock is the 146th market, it may be a while until you get your locals in HD. But when you do apparently you will get whatever RSN is available to you in Lubbock.

As for you, Baldmaga, you would get, in HD, whatever city's local HD stations you are offered. If it is New Orleans that is what you would get. If it is Houston, you'll get that RSN

Basically, it appears that if you get a city's locals in HD, you most likely would get the RSN -- barring a territorial overlap.

I wish the press release was more specific on that point. It did mention that FSN Southwest Texas Rangers game would be in the Dallas DMA only, but that was it. Since upgrading to the 5LNB dish will probably re-up my commitment to DirecTV, whether or not FSN West HD and Prime Ticket HD will on the Las Vegas beam will be a huge factor in my decision.

If the channels are only available to those that have access to HD locals through D*, then why wouldn't they just say that in the press release? Why the vague comment about spotbeams?

A few unnecessary comments deleted. Keep on topic, and leave the personal comments out of the discussion.

I believe these are the conditions for receiving the HD RSNs:

1. You must get that RSN in standard definition in your Total Choice package.
2. You must live under the spotbeam which will carry the HD RSN.
3. You must have an H20 and 5 LNB dish.
4. You must receive HD locals at your location.

So if my interpretation is correct, people like myself who live in Connecticut, under the NY and Boston broadcast area, will get both the YES games only channel and NESN HD next Tuesday.

I believe these are the conditions for receiving the HD RSNs:

1. You must get that RSN in standard definition in your Total Choice package.
2. You must live under the spotbeam which will carry the HD RSN.
3. You must have an H20 and 5 LNB dish.
4. You must receive HD locals at your location.

So if my interpretation is correct, people like myself who live in Connecticut, under the NY and Boston broadcast area, will get both the YES games only channel and NESN HD next Tuesday.

And so if you are correct, those of us who live outside the San Francisco DMA, but still receive FSNBA in SD, would then receive the HD telecasts via the Sacramento, Fresno, etc., spotbeam, correct? Has anybody found the right area on the D* website to confirm this?

I didn't see anything mentioned about MSGHD in the press release, any word on that?

question anyone know how to check if you qualify for the hd rsn feed on the D* website like the press release says you can do?

go to this link - enter your zip - and PRESTO.

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=P3000004

I didn't see anything mentioned about MSGHD in the press release, any word on that?

MSG-HD is now on the schedule for mid-October 2006 launch. Really no hurry for this one - they carry no baseball, no major sports until Hockey/Basketball season starts - so it will be there right on time. BTW same for FSN-NY. These will be 'game-only' HD channels, gotta wait for the games to start.

The NY DMA is going to have 4 local RSN's in HD come October. Now who thinks DISH has better HD channels? I'll take those four and NFL ST HD OVER VOOM and HGTV and NGC any day.

This is just the beginning of DirecTV dominance in HD. They are expanding the use of the Spaceway birds for locals - to a place DISH CANNOT come close to matching now - the MPEG4 DVR is close to launch (that IS a negative for them no doubt, but soon to go away), and DIRECTV10 will put them SO FAR ahead of EVERYONE else in HD capacity.

And so if you are correct, those of us who live outside the San Francisco DMA, but still receive FSNBA in SD, would then receive the HD telecasts via the Sacramento, Fresno, etc., spotbeam, correct? Has anybody found the right area on the D* website to confirm this?
If you are in fact under the same spotbeam as SF, and you receive HD locals (not necessarily SF locals), and you do get the SD RSN as part of your regular package, then under my assumption you would get FSN BA games in HD.

As far as a qualification page on DirecTV's site that specifically says what HD RSNs are available to you, I don' think there is one yet. There is just the standard RSN page that ScoBuck posted.

If you are in fact under the same spotbeam as SF, and you receive HD locals (not necessarily SF locals), and you do get the SD RSN as part of your regular package, then under my assumption you would get FSN BA games in HD.


One would assume that would be the case, but I guess it depends on how versatile, or how large an area the spotbeam can cover, if it covers a larger area than what they do with the regular local HD spotbeam or not. I suppose they could just duplicate it as DirecTV doesn't seem to hurting for MPEG4 bandwidth.

I asked earlier in the Sac local thread if anyone was getting FSNBA-HD yet but I have not seen anyone respond. Trying to find localized DBS members though can be a little tricky though.

Tracy CA is covered by FSNBA and Comcast Sportsnet(West).

MSG-HD is now on the schedule for mid-October 2006 launch. Really no hurry for this one - they carry no baseball, no major sports until Hockey/Basketball season starts - so it will be there right on time. BTW same for FSN-NY. These will be 'game-only' HD channels, gotta wait for the games to start.

The NY DMA is going to have 4 local RSN's in HD come October. Now who thinks DISH has better HD channels? I'll take those four and NFL ST HD OVER VOOM and HGTV and NGC any day.

This is just the beginning of DirecTV dominance in HD. They are expanding the use of the Spaceway birds for locals - to a place DISH CANNOT come close to matching now - the MPEG4 DVR is close to launch (that IS a negative for them no doubt, but soon to go away), and DIRECTV10 will put them SO FAR ahead of EVERYONE else in HD capacity.

Agreed, as long as the new MPEG4 HD DVR is coming right behind this. As much as I want to jump into these, I can't give up my HD TIVO until it is replaced.

One would assume that would be the case, but I guess it depends on how versatile, or how large an area the spotbeam can cover, if it covers a larger area than what they do with the regular local HD spotbeam or not. I suppose they could just duplicate it as DirecTV doesn't seem to hurting for MPEG4 bandwidth.

I asked earlier in the Sac local thread if anyone was getting FSNBA-HD yet but I have not seen anyone respond. Trying to find localized DBS members though can be a little tricky though.

Tracy CA is covered by FSNBA and Comcast Sportsnet(West).

keenan - here is a link to a RSN-HD thread - it has posts from members saying they ARE receciving FSNBA-HD.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=60107

Agreed, as long as the new MPEG4 HD DVR is coming right behind this. As much as I want to jump into these, I can't give up my HD TIVO until it is replaced.

What DMA is Putnam, NY in?

What DMA is Putnam, NY in?

Depends what county you're in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market

OK, since you brought it up, TVBob, please give us examples of previous DirecTV press releases which announced programming agreements would start on a specific day, and which turned out to be "inaccurate".

It would absolutely fly in the face of everything DirecTV has done regarding press releases to announce an agreement when, in your words "the nesn claim is likely based on a deal being finalized, which is not a guarantee".

And there is something else important here, too. Do you understand the liability DirecTV would have if this press release coming from investor relations were bogus?

The SEC could bring criminal charges because this NESN release.

If DirecTV is announcing a deal to investors then a deal has been finalized. Period.

Of course there are always technical snafus which could possibly push back the launch by a few days, I would guess, but the deal is done.

The sooner you admit that your source was WRONG the more credibility you might be able to salvage for the future.

I can guarantee no deal has been finalized with nesn. While I can not rule out one done by July 18th, my source finds it very doubtful.

I can guarantee no deal has been finalized with nesn. While I can not rule out one done by July 18th, my source finds it very doubtful.


Right.

You are "guaranteeing" that DirecTV, which said yesterday full 24/7 broadcasting of NESN HD begins July 18th, is lying.

Which would upset many Boston area viewers, be totally unlike any other news release DirecTV has made, oh and by the way, subject DirecTV to federal prosecution.

You might might to look, for the next week, at finding a new source. Or at least stop subjecting people on this forum to his or her (and your) "information".

Another nesn sighting:

http://www.skyreport.com/#Story2

It wouldn't be the first time a major company made an error in a press release. If they provide a prompt retraction and revision and take the appropriate actions, they can avoid major legal problems.

wow

wow

I suggest you search google for "Press release retraction". It happens.

What DMA is Putnam, NY in?


I am in Orange county NY and I get YES and FSN-NY as well as MSG, so I would guess you would be the same.

I am in Orange county NY and I get YES and FSN-NY as well as MSG, so I would guess you would be the same.


Do you get the NYC HD locals?

I can guarantee no deal has been finalized with nesn. While I can not rule out one done by July 18th, my source finds it very doubtful.
You know, it is possible that DirecTV has a working agreement with NESN, in that they don't have a long term contract worked out, but in the interest of all parties involved, including the customers, they agree to air the channel now. If that's the case, obviously both sides feel a deal will be reached at some point, but would rather not miss out on airing these HD games in the heart of the Red Sox season.

You know, it is possible that DirecTV has a working agreement with NESN, in that they don't have a long term contract worked out, but in the interest of all parties involved, including the customers, they agree to air the channel now. If that's the case, obviously both sides feel a deal will be reached at some point, but would rather not miss out on airing these HD games in the heart of the Red Sox season.

I highly doubt that. That could pose more legal problems than an inaccurate press release.

Furthermore, sadly directv or nesn could care less about their customers compared to making the almighty dollar. They want an hard agreement that will ensure profits for years to come and the security that they will not be exposed to lawsuits.

It wouldn't be the first time a major company made an error in a press release. If they provide a prompt retraction and revision and take the appropriate actions, they can avoid major legal problems.

Please give it a rest.

this is getting confusing I called just now and the csr told me that since I get fsn southwest now in standard I will get it in hd when the games are broadcast in hd. And I still can't find anywhere on the D* website that will confirm exactly who will recieve the feed the whole dma or just select areas. This is very vage info by D*. Anybody find anything that specificly says it on the website.

I have called the Office of the President of DirecTV. I was told in no uncertain terms that NESN-HD is a DONE deal, it WILL launch on the 18th, it is a long-term contract.

They reconfirmed the entire press release as accurate BTW.

this is getting confusing I called just now and the csr told me that since I get fsn southwest now in standard I will get it in hd when the games are broadcast in hd. And I still can't find anywhere on the D* website that will confirm exactly who will recieve the feed the whole dma or just select areas. This is very vage info by D*. Anybody find anything that specificly says it on the website.

You WON'T find it anywhere on the website (at least not at this point). If you are IN the DALLAS DMA you will receive the HD-RSN, it says that ALSO right in the press release. Does your service address qualify for DALLAS HD Locals? That is the only question you need to answer for yourself at this point really.

Check this out:


http://skyreport.com/#Story2


Also, TVBob: Why so negative???? Lighten up and enjoy the world of tv.

I am waiting to hear back from my source, but I was able to get in touch with a nesn executive. He was very surprised when I told him about yesterday's press release. He insists no deal has been reached and he would launch an inquiry immediately. Sounded rather angry, I'll keep you updated.

keenan - here is a link to a RSN-HD thread - it has posts from members saying they ARE receciving FSNBA-HD.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=60107
Yes, I've been following that thread but as I don't know what cities/members are in the actually home markets for some of those RSN it doesn't really answer the question. As far as the market I do know, none of the posts indicate that FSNBA is being shown anywhere but the SF DMA, meaning Sacramento, Reno, Fresno etc which are all FSNBA territory are not getting the games, so far.

The below is from the link you provided and appears to be a re-print from the PR. The underlined parts seem to address the question about out of home DMA coverage. If the underlined statement is to be taken at face value it means that, for example, FSNBA, will be shown ONLY in the SF DMA, excluding the rest of FSNBA territory which is a bummer for those residing in those cities.

Las Vegas will be interesting to see as it's "home" teams number 6 MLB teams, yet the RSNs covering those games are based in other DMAs. If the below is to be believed, Las Vegas may not receive any of the games that it is covered by those RSNs. If that's the case, I hope it changes soon.

That's why the question about how versatile the spotbeam is, can it cover multiple DMAs to provide coverage to the whole RSN territory, or will DirecTV have to use multiple beams, one for each market, with duplicate signals. For example, for LV, will there be 4-5 different signals, signals that are already being sent in the home market DMA, or can the home market beam be expanded to overlap into the RSN territory. Interesting to see how it turns out.

As part of its high-def programming push, DirecTV on Monday said it would deliver Major League Baseball games in HD from several regional sports networks.

The satellite TV service will deliver baseball games produced in HD from the following RSNs:

FSN Prime Ticket (Los Angeles Dodgers), FSN West (Los Angeles Angels), FSN Bay Area (San Francisco Giants, Oakland A's), FSN South (Atlanta Braves), FSN Houston (Astros), FSN Detroit (Tigers), FSN Florida (Marlins, Devil Rays), SportsTime Ohio (Cleveland Indians), FSN North (Minnesota Twins), FSN Northwest (Seattle Mariners), FSN Arizona (Diamondbacks), FSN Rocky Mountain (Colorado Rockies) and Turner South (Atlanta Braves).

Beginning July 18, HD games from YES Network (Yankees) and FSN Southwest (Rangers HD games will be seen only in the Dallas DMA) will be available, as well as a continuous high def feed from NESN HD (Red Sox), DirecTV said. The company also said that in August it will deliver high def games from SportsNet New York (Mets), as well as continuous high def feeds from Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic HD (Orioles) and Comcast SportsNet Chicago HDTV (Cubs, White Sox).

DirecTV will deliver the HD games via a local market spot beam, and as a result, the regional sports programming will be available only to customers who live within the local DMA. The games will be available at no extra charge, the company said.

P.S. This is all related to sdk 009's question about getting FSNBA in Tracy CA since it is in the Modesto DMA, not the SF DMA, yet it falls into FSNBA coverage area. :)

go to this link - enter your zip - and PRESTO.

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=P3000004

I dont really think that link gives any definative answer to the HD RSN confusion..

I live 250 miles from Detroit and Im eligible for Fox Sports Detroit as my RSN..

Personally I still feel theres a huge ???? as to whether the spotbeam will actually cover me up here 250 miles away form Detroit..

I dont really think that link gives any definative answer to the HD RSN confusion..

I live 250 miles from Detroit and Im eligible for Fox Sports Detroit as my RSN..

Personally I still feel theres a huge ???? as to whether the spotbeam will actually cover me up here 250 miles away form Detroit..

If I don't ask you before - I'll ask now. Do you get the Detroit local HD spotbeam from DirecTV now? I believe that will answer your question. If you don't get the HD locals, you won't get the RSN-Hd either IMO.

I am waiting to hear back from my source, but I was able to get in touch with a nesn executive. He was very surprised when I told him about yesterday's press release. He insists no deal has been reached and he would launch an inquiry immediately. Sounded rather angry, I'll keep you updated.
Did you speak to the NESN executive at the NESN office?

If I don't ask you before - I'll ask now. Do you get the Detroit local HD spotbeam from DirecTV now? I believe that will answer your question. If you don't get the HD locals, you won't get the RSN-Hd either IMO.

I am not sure if the Detroit spotbeam reaches up here in my neck of the woods..

I am not part of the Detroit DMA, I know this much..But this does not mean that spotbeam cant reach me..

Bottom line, theres alot of unanswered questions right now, IMO...

I think we should start a thread where people can report their location and what HD RSN spotbeams they are receiving at their location..This will give everyone a good idea of how strong these spotbeams are..

I would be happy to start the thread if we can get some other people to chime in and concur with me that the thread may be useful :)

EDIT: We could just use this thread..But with so many people still insisiting on bickering over this TVBob fiasco it would just be a huge pain in the butt, IMO..Trying to find the useful info in this thread is becoming very difficult at this point..

Did you speak to the NESN executive at the NESN office?

Probably, can't say for sure, I believe a secretary patched me through to his line, could have been a cell.

Probably, can't say for sure, I believe a secretary patched me through to his line, could have been a cell.
Guess what... NESN offices are closed until Thursday. You didn't speak to a NESN secretary, and you certainly didn't speak to an executive at the NESN office.

I am not sure if the Detroit spotbeam reaches up here in my neck of the woods..

I am not part of the Detroit DMA, I know this much..But this does not mean that spotbeam cant reach me..

Bottom line, theres alot of unanswered questions right now, IMO...

I think we should start a thread where people can report their location and what HD RSN spotbeams they are receiving at their location..This will give everyone a good idea of how strong these spotbeams are..

I would be happy to start the thread if we can get some other people to chime and concur with me that the thread may be useful :)

I agree there are unanswered questions - but it will all sort out in a week or so. From the way I understand it though, you have to be IN the local DMA (meaning that your access card is programmed for that specific DMA in order for it to get the local spotbeamed channel in your program guide.

Example, I live in NY - only 225 miles from DC and 225 from Boston. I do NOT get NESN because my access cards are not authorized to decrypt the programming from that channel due to my zip code. I do not see any of the Boston HD locals in my guide - even though I am in the outer limits of the spot beam.

IMO you will NOT get the HD channel at this time - because you do not have authorization to receive the Detroit locals.

Guess what... NESN offices are closed until Thursday. You didn't speak to a NESN secretary, and you certainly didn't speak to an executive at the NESN office.

Not true, they are running at smaller capacity, aided by the all star break, but executives are still holding meetings. The quieter conditions probably gives them time to get things done they have been putting off. Nice try.

It's also interesting that there is still no directv related announcement on the nesn website. In the past, almost immediately, when new markets are in added in hd you see it there. There is one on the front page right now.

I agree there are unanswered questions - but it will all sort out in a week or so. From the way I understand it though, you have to be IN the local DMA (meaning that your access card is programmed for that specific DMA in order for it to get the local spotbeamed channel in your program guide.

Example, I live in NY - only 225 miles from DC and 225 from Boston. I do NOT get NESN because my access cards are not authorized to decrypt the programming from that channel due to my zip code. I do not see any of the Boston HD locals in my guide - even though I am in the outer limits of the spot beam.

IMO you will NOT get the HD channel at this time - because you do not have authorization to receive the Detroit locals.

Well I can easily have my card authorized for that DMA, if you know what I mean..

Which still leaves the million $$$ question, does the spotbeam reach this far?

Plus, and no offense, Im still not convinced that your service has to be within the actual DMA..I still think theres a good chance your service address has to only fall within the RSN's market area...

Can't you enter your zipcode at the DirecTV website and find out, guffy1?

Can't you enter your zipcode at the DirecTV website and find out, guffy1?

I can find out what RSN serves my area, yes...Its Fox Sports Detroit..On what has always been a conus beam featuring SD, so no questions there..

The HD RSN's according to the press release are on spotbeams though...And before I pay for and install an at9 (something I swore I would never do :)), I want to make sure this spotbeam reaches me 250 miles away from Detroit..

I can find out what RSN serves my area, yes...Its Fox Sports Detroit..On what has always been a conus beam featuring SD, so no questions there..

The HD RSN's according to the press release are on spotbeams though...And before I pay for and install an at9 (something I swore I would never do :)), I want to make sure this spotbeam reaches me 250 miles away from Detroit..

If you know someone currently receiving Detroit locals - borrow their receiver for a day and see if you get them in.

If you know someone currently receiving Detroit locals - borrow their receiver for a day and see if you get them in.

I already have the receiver (H20)..Its the AT9 Im lacking..

Guess what... NESN offices are closed until Thursday. You didn't speak to a NESN secretary, and you certainly didn't speak to an executive at the NESN office.

Are you shocked he has now proven himself to be a fruad?

No one is available to take any calls at the Watertown office

I already have the receiver (H20)..Its the AT9 Im lacking..

Thats not what I am saying. Your card is not authorized to receive Detroit DMA. borrow a receiver that is - boot it up at your location, see if it get the Detroit locals in and with decent reception, then you will know if you are inside the spotbeam.

Are you shocked he has now proven himself to be a fruad?

No one is available to take any calls at the Watertown office

Quite frankly, YES I for one AM shocked! That's unbelievable, according to MY SOURCE.

Thats not what I am saying. Your card is not authorized to receive Detroit DMA. borrow a receiver that is - boot it up at your location, see if it get the Detroit locals in and with decent reception, then you will know if you are inside the spotbeam.

I still need an installed AT9 for all of that...

I still need an installed AT9 for all of that...

See if you can get the SD Detroit locals with a Detroit authorized card and receiver.

See if you can get the SD Detroit locals with a Detroit authorized card and receiver.

I can say this is probably a no. At least back when the Detroit SD spotbeam started is just made it as far west as Kalamazoo (about a 55 strength) and made it about as far north as a line from Kalamazoo/Lansing/Saginaw.

I still need an installed AT9 for all of that...

You can get one for free (or at least just shipping) once your HD locals are available. Before that you should be able to get one via CSR roulette.

See if you can get the SD Detroit locals with a Detroit authorized card and receiver.

Arent they on a totally different satellite than Detroit HD LIL?

You would think if they are on a different satt than the footprint could easily vary..

I suppose doing it that way could give somewhat of answer though, maybe Ill think about trying that out...

I think the answer Im looking for just simply isnt available yet though...

Does a sub need to be in the DMA of the RSN? Or does a sub simply need to be within the home coverage area of the RSN?

I believe that is a question that has yet to be answered definatively..Time will tell...

You can get one for free (or at least just shipping) once your HD locals are available. Before that you should be able to get one via CSR roulette.

I really dont have much of a problem paying for it if needed..The issue is mostly that I really dont want that monstrosity installed on my house unless I am 100% for sure Ill get FSD-HD out of it..

I really dont have much of a problem paying for it if needed..The issue is mostly that I really dont want that monstrosity installed on my house unless I am 100% for sure Ill get FSD-HD out of it..

Well, eventually you will once the Up North, MI HD locals go live next year. ;) So there is no loss in the long run.

Arent they on a totally different satellite than Detroit HD LIL?

You would think if they are on a different satt than the footprint could easily vary..

I suppose doing it that way could give somewhat of answer though, maybe Ill think about trying that out...

I think the answer Im looking for just simply isnt available yet though...

Does a sub need to be in the DMA of the RSN? Or does a sub simply need to be within the home coverage area of the RSN?

I believe that is a question that has yet to be answered definatively..Time will tell...
From my earlier post, and from the DirecTV PR,

DirecTV will deliver the HD games via a local market spot beam, and as a result, the regional sports programming will be available only to customers who live within the local DMA.

The statement is rather ambiguous in that RSN areas do not equate to DMAs. My guess would be that the RSN will be available only on the team's home market DMA. At least initially.

Well, eventually you will once the Up North, MI HD locals go live next year. ;) So there is no loss in the long run.

FSD-HD is the only thing Ill ever use that dish for...

Once Charter or DISH gets FSD-HD that dish will be coming down, Pronto...

From my earlier post, and from the DirecTV PR,



The statement is rather ambiguous in that RSN areas do not equate to DMAs. My guess would be that the RSN will be available only on the team's home market DMA. At least initially.

I guess I did miss that exact wording Keenan...Thanks for pointing it out...

Now I will just hope its worded wrong by D* is what Ill do :)

I guess I did miss that exact wording Keenan...Thanks for pointing it out...

Now I will just hope its worded wrong by D* is what Ill do :)
The wording is exact, but the meaning is a bit unclear. :p :D

That's why I have been trying to see if anyone outside of my local RSN in SF is getting the games, if not then the wording would seem clear and mean RSN home team DMA only. Time will tell of course.

The wording is exact, but the meaning is a bit unclear. :p :D

That's why I have been trying to see if anyone outside of my local RSN in SF is getting the games, if not then the wording would seem clear and mean RSN home team DMA only. Time will tell of course.

My feelings exactly..Time will tell

I think part of the problem in finding out the for sure answer is that not many people outside of the HDLIL DMA's have an H20 and AT9 to verify..

EDIT: Im almost thinking about ordering an AT9 just to find out :)

What DMA is Putnam, NY in?

New York, I'm right above the northern tip of Westchester. I currently have both D* and Cablevision (just for Mets, Knicks and Rangers in HD). The minute D* puts the HD version of MSG, FSNY and SNY up along with the MPEG4 HD DVR, Cablevision is history in my house (with the exception of Optimium online!

New York, I'm right above the northern tip of Westchester. I currently have both D* and Cablevision (just for Mets, Knicks and Rangers in HD). The minute D* puts the HD version of MSG, FSNY and SNY up along with the MPEG4 HD DVR, Cablevision is history in my house (with the exception of Optimium online!

Sounds to me that you will be on-board by Mid-October.

My contract with D* expired at the end of June and they have 6-10 months to keep my business. This is one of the things I that will factor into my decision.

Guffy,
While FSN Detroit is the "local" RSN for you (and me), do you think that the Detroit MPEG4 spot beam covers TC? ..........

One would assume that would be the case, but I guess it depends on how versatile, or how large an area the spotbeam can cover, if it covers a larger area than what they do with the regular local HD spotbeam or not. I suppose they could just duplicate it as DirecTV doesn't seem to hurting for MPEG4 bandwidth.

I asked earlier in the Sac local thread if anyone was getting FSNBA-HD yet but I have not seen anyone respond. Trying to find localized DBS members though can be a little tricky though.

Tracy CA is covered by FSNBA and Comcast Sportsnet(West).
I live in sacramento and do not get FSNBA. But I have a 3lnb dish. Get my locals off an antenna. I could upgrade to a 5lnb but they said I could not get the locals off the anttenna withn the H20 reciever. that would suck cause currently they do not have Fox 40 for a HD channel

Sounds to me that you will be on-board by Mid-October.

Are you saying mid-October for the HD DVR?

Guffy,
While FSN Detroit is the "local" RSN for you (and me), do you think that the Detroit MPEG4 spot beam covers TC? ..........

I doubt it covers TC reliably...

I do remember from looking at the old footprint maps of SD Detroit locals that TC was right on the very fringe of the spotbeam...Sketchy at best is what I would say..

Isnt Perry down by Flint anyways? Or am I mistaken?

Are you saying mid-October for the HD DVR?

I wouldn't be surpirsed if then or a bit sooner actually.