Here is the information on this developing at dbstalk:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=59585


Sounds good to me!

Sounds great but have to wait on more information and HD DVR

All in due time! But admittedly, it IS getting closer, and it IS getting better.

All in due time! But admittedly, it IS getting closer, and it IS getting better.

I agree with that I guess we have waited this long what's another few months or whatever the time table is

And with today's announcement that many events in the new Big Ten Channel will be in HD, it appears that almost every Big Ten football and men's basketball game will be in HD starting in August of 2007.

I am sure the other BCS conferences will follow with similar deals.

SPOTBEAMED?..............*&$% :mad:

I agree with that I guess we have waited this long what's another few months or whatever the time table is

For what it's worth (and again taking NO sides - this is a GENERIC comment) -

It just seems that almost every month now (or even more frequently), there is an announcement of something new coming. New channels being added, new equipment coming or out, etc. But................

No matter what is said, what is out, what is coming - EVERYTIME there is an announcement it is generally met with TOO many negatives, and IMO not ENOUGH positives. Instead we hear about the PAST too much - which did contain TOO MANY promises in TOO short a time-frame.

But it looks like the time is here for a lot, and NEAR for a lot more.

Make sure you tune in to NESN-HD on July 1st (Will be the first 24/7 RSN-HD channel). There will be 14 others added July 1st for "GAMES ONLY".

August they will add 2 more 24/7 RSN-HD channels and 1 more for "GAMES ONLY".

October 4 more to be added for "GAMES ONLY"

These will not be available CONUS, only avalable in the local channel market - if you get BoSox as your regular RSN, you WILL get NESN-HD.

Awesome, now if they could just downrez everything to 480p, we'd free up bandwidth for more national channels.

Good News.....

Get the new DVR out asap though.....

Does anybody have a complete list of RSN's that broadcast in HD? I'm pretty sure that Fox Sports South (what we get in Atlanta) doesn't, but I'm not 100% sure.

Good News.....

Get the new DVR out asap though.....

According to dbstalk.com that will come out in August or September. Testing is done they are just getting ready to ramp up production before the announcement.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=59530
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=59171

As posted before, it's always been the DirecTV plan to offer all the local HD available in a market, including RSN's. The only question was when.

Comcast Sportsnet Chicago, will be one of the first up on the sats.

Why doesn't DIRECTV and DISH Network carry your home games in HD?

It is up to DIRECTV and DISH Network, not Comcast SportsNet, to decide if they want to create a channel location for our HD telecasts. You may want to contact them to express your concerns.

why will they only be available to local markets and not all if you subscribe to the ticket?

why will they only be available to local markets and not all if you subscribe to the ticket?

Lots of reasons, lets see how many quickly come to mind.

1) unlike NFLST superfan, there is NO committment to offer HD for games. They are NOT owed to the subscribers in other words. HD is NOT part of the package. I still think they will continue to broadcast some HD games on channel 94 or 95 as they do now.

2) as the link in the original post stated, these are NOT going up on CONUS transponders - they are going up on Spaceway on spotbeams - into the currently served HD lils markets. they currently do not have the avaialble bandwidth to provide ALL of these in MPEG 2 nationwide.

3) next year they will be available in the packages if rights fees can be negotiated - so expect to pay additional premium for HD games (just like NFL SuperFan).

why will they only be available to local markets and not all if you subscribe to the ticket?

Of course not, that would only make sense. I mean I guess offering HD Locals to paducah, is more important than being the HD sports leader, unless it is YES network, than everyone can have access. :mad:

Of course not, that would only make sense. I mean I guess offering HD Locals to paducah, is more important than being the HD sports leader, unless it is YES network, than everyone can have access. :mad:

I am not underestanding your post at all.

HD locals (by end of 2006) will be available to over 65% of the U.S. population. It will include 39 out of the top 40 DMAs (Paducah?).

Second, to put those stations on nationally (as opposed to home market) there are things that have to get worked out (for some reaosn you seem to suppose they can just snap their fingers). First to get worked out is bandwidth (they DO NOT have it until the next 2 sats go up) for HD national transmission. Second, MLB Extra Innings is a CONTRACTUAL agreement between MLB and the different providers offering it. MLB would CERTAINLY want additional monies for providing HD don't you suppose? The station broadcasting the game would want additional rights fees - don't you suppose? DirecTV would want to raise the subscription price - don't you suppose? Would you be ready to pay MORE for HD games (next year you will have that choice).

YES-HD network is treated in this NO different than any other RSN, so what are you getting at with the comment about YES?

Why is it that every time a step of real progress takes place we don't hear enough of the 'thats great' but so much of the 'gee, here's what they should have done'?

I am not underestanding your post at all.

HD locals (by end of 2006) will be available to over 65% of the U.S. population. It will include 39 out of the top 40 DMAs (Paducah?).

Second, to put those stations on nationally (as opposed to home market) there are things that have to get worked out (for some reaosn you seem to suppose they can just snap their fingers). First to get worked out is bandwidth (they DO NOT have it until the next 2 sats go up) for HD national transmission. Second, MLB Extra Innings is a CONTRACTUAL agreement between MLB and the different providers offering it. MLB would CERTAINLY want additional monies for providing HD don't you suppose? The station broadcasting the game would want additional rights fees - don't you suppose? DirecTV would want to raise the subscription price - don't you suppose? Would you be ready to pay MORE for HD games (next year you will have that choice).

YES-HD network is treated in this NO different than any other RSN, so what are you getting at with the comment about YES?

Why is it that every time a step of real progress takes place we don't hear enough of the 'thats great' but so much of the 'gee, here's what they should have done'?


Here I will simplify it for you.

I live in the Philly market, I will not be able to get NESN-HD :mad: even though I get HD Pack, Sports Pack and EI. But of course I can get Yes network HD(sure have the bandwidth for that). So yeah that freaking pisses me off, and I am not going to give them a pass on this, I have been patient, no longer. If the want to charge me more for it, fine whatever. But they are not even giving me the opportunity. Sorry I don't want to wait for next year, if they can put it up July 1st, than put it up for all who want it. Just like YES! You can take it as a step forward I will take it as a slap in the face.

BTW, Paducah is a slang term for small town.

Here I will simplify it for you.

I live in the Philly market, I will not be able to get NESN-HD :mad: even though I get HD Pack, Sports Pack and EI. But of course I can get Yes network HD(sure have the bandwidth for that). So yeah that freaking pisses me off, and I am not going to give them a pass on this, I have been patient, no longer. If the want to charge me more for it, fine whatever. But they are not even giving me the opportunity. Sorry I don't want to wait for next year, if they can put it up July 1st, than put it up for all who want it. Just like YES! You can take it as a step forward I will take it as a slap in the face.

BTW, Paducah is a slang term for small town.

You will NOT be getting YES-HD anymore (unless thats your regular RSN and you live in a currently served HD local market). Again unless its a game they ALSO show on channel 94 or 95 as an EXTRA offering of MLB extra innings.

BTW- the only games you have gotten before on YES-HD were on the same shared channel (94 or 95) that they also use to put on other HD MLB and hockey games (1 per day usually).

Best NHL record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Red Wings :)
Best NBA record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Pistons :)
Best MLB record Current 2006 season - Detroit Tigers :eek:

FSN Detroit in HD???

Not a chance :mad: :mad:

Best NHL record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Red Wings :)
Best NBA record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Pistons :)
Best MLB record Current 2006 season - Detroit Tigers :eek:

FSN Detroit in HD???

Not a chance :mad: :mad:

Doesn't matter unless you win the championship.....Detroit has done fairly well with the pistons and red wings, but not quite as well as the Pats and Red Sox in New England lately.

Best NHL record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Red Wings :)
Best NBA record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Pistons :)
Best MLB record Current 2006 season - Detroit Tigers :eek:

FSN Detroit in HD???

Not a chance :mad: :mad:

One of the Worst NFL teams - Detroit Lions

Detriot Lion games in HD: Sure! :D Now I know that has to excite you!! :D

Unfortunately, nearly everyone will get some lions games in HD with fox and cbs.

Hey, you weren't supposed to bring up the playoff records. Or the Lions. Maybe they'll turn it around like the Tigers...LOL.

Best NHL record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Red Wings :)
Best NBA record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Pistons :)
Best MLB record Current 2006 season - Detroit Tigers :eek:

FSN Detroit in HD???

Not a chance :mad: :mad:

tune in to it on July 1st.

Best NHL record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Red Wings :)
Best NBA record 2005-2006 season - Detroit Pistons :)
Best MLB record Current 2006 season - Detroit Tigers :eek:

FSN Detroit in HD???

Not a chance :mad: :mad:

Red Wings - No Cup; out in the 1st rd.

Pistons - No Championship. Out in second Rd.

Tigers: 1-5 vs. my World Champion White Sox. The clock will strike midnight soon on cinderella.

Lions: Puhlease :p :p :p :p :p

You shouldn't want to see all of that disappointment in HD.

D* can have all the HD channels available but until this HD-lite thing is put to rest, D* will never be an option for me.

AWESOME HD/MPEG 4 INFO!!


YES! - will be in HD!

Fox Sports Network

Regions: Prime Ticket, West, Bay Area, Southwest, North, Northwest, South,
Detroit, Florida, STO (sports time ohio, go cleveland!), Arizona, Rocky Mtn
and TurnerSouth

Note: - this will be "games only" so my interperitation is "only the live feeds will be on the HD, no
pregames, post games, commentaries, reruns etc. etc..."

ALSO NESN will be 24/7 HD - r0x0rz!

i bet you're all like when!? it will be like in october.... or August... or NOVEMBER @_@ *bites fingernails*



actually its saturday july first....



we're planning on eventually having them all 24/7 but live games is a great start.


coming in August '06: Comcast sportsNet Chicago,Comcast sportsNet Mid-Atlantic
SNY (SNNY)(mets)

Coming mid October '06: Madison Square Garden, FSN NY, Sun Sports, FSN Ohio, HD Net(Sports)

Can You believe it ?

Note: 5 LNB Dish Required, MPEG 4 Hardware required, all info and release dates are tentative and subject to change. please call 1-800-531-5000 for more info.


-Brine

Congtaulations ScoBuck. I'd say you were correct.

To early for thanks - lets await the first of July. Until its a done deal, I will treat it as a rumor, but as I said, I am extremely confident of my source on this. Brine posting virtually identical info (and obviously not even knowing it had already been posted) is just another good sign IMO.

I also know that not everything goes smoothly on day 1 always, and it might take a couple of days to get them all up and running right! The memo I have clearly does say July 1 though!

Just got the 3lnb and h10 less then 8 months ago. Guess I gotta get he 5lnb and req'd receiver sooner then expected. i don't know whether to be happy or cry.

Do we really need three threads about this subject?

Do we really need three threads about this subject?It's down to two, now. Topics merged.

Thanks, DrDon.

by d* you mean direct tv right sorry I just don't wanna get confused.

by d* you mean direct tv right sorry I just don't wanna get confused.
Correct.

D*= DirecTV
E*= Echostar-(Dish Network)

AWESOME HD/MPEG 4 INFO!!


Coming mid October '06: Madison Square Garden, FSN NY, Sun Sports, FSN Ohio, HD Net(Sports)

Can You believe it ?



Wow, it may be a more dificult decision than I thought in October when my year of cheap Cablevision is over and I need to decide if I drop it or D*. It was going to be pretty easy - No HD NY Rangers (MSG-HD) = no D*. If they really pull this off and provide an HD DVR (and don't make me dump my HD Tivo - yea I'll need their new box for recording Rangers games) then D* is very much back in the running. The only other concern would be losing HD WB though hopefully they will add that in the form of the new merged station as well.

-Greg

:mad:I live in Greensboro NC which is the 40 something largest market in America and I have been patiently waiting and itching like a flea to find out when D* is going to get there act together and start doing something about HD locals. I seriously have, and I mean have to have locals in HD by the start of the football season because our local Fox affiliate doesn't even have an antenna to get over the air reception. What a load of crap. If it doesnt happen I am seriously considering Migrating to E* since we have time warner and they cant even get a contract dispute settled with our local ABC affiliate. I called D* a couple of weeks ago and they said that the markets 36 through whatever... are going to be coming online soon, But WHEN!?!!?!!??!!??

Anyone with some incite please drop some much needed stress relief.

First off, Greensboro has been announced to go this fall for HD LIL on D*. (rumor has it in September)

Second, WGHP does have an on the air digital signal on channel 35 that is receivable in Greensboro. I know since I live off of Battleground and Westridge and have received the signal since it signed on in 2002 with an antenna on my roof.

Third, WGHP is waiting on the FCC to give the final go ahead to turn on the high power transmitter. As soon as they do, that will happen.

Does that answer all of your guestions?

Thanks, helps a little, how did you find out the triad is slated to get D* HD locals in September???

With the Greensboro questions answered, the original is a good question. I'm in DMA 65, I'm assuming that it will go live in 2007 with the launch of the rest of the MPEG4 sats.........Don't know when the next announcement from D* will come on the rollout.

Yea, but if I am correct aren't they finishing the roll out of markets up to 36 as we speak. I had heard that they were going to be done sometime in June. So when does the next x# of markets begin mpeg4???

Here is the latest

2H 2006
Albuquerque
Austin
Cincinnati
Grand Rapids
Green Bay
Greensboro
Las Vegas
Madison
Memphis
Portland, Mn
Portland, Or
Providence
Reno
San Antonio

Ok so second half 06, but we are starting into second half 06 in less than a week are they done with markets up through 36?

Lots of reasons, lets see how many quickly come to mind.

1) unlike NFLST superfan, there is NO committment to offer HD for games. They are NOT owed to the subscribers in other words. HD is NOT part of the package. I still think they will continue to broadcast some HD games on channel 94 or 95 as they do now.

2) as the link in the original post stated, these are NOT going up on CONUS transponders - they are going up on Spaceway on spotbeams - into the currently served HD lils markets. they currently do not have the avaialble bandwidth to provide ALL of these in MPEG 2 nationwide.

3) next year they will be available in the packages if rights fees can be negotiated - so expect to pay additional premium for HD games (just like NFL SuperFan).

Fine charge us more -- I would be willing to pay. But for the remainder of this season, I don't see why they would not allow us to see the HD broadcasts available in our spot-beam if the same network is the SD feed for that game through Extra Innings. It wouldn't be hard to and would give them an advantage over E* and Cable.

Coming mid October '06: FSN Ohio

Presumably this means Columbus Blue Jackets games will be in HD. Mmmm....I still won't watch. One game against the Rangers every 3 years? What idiot made that schedule? Oh right it was Gary Bettman. I should have known from his picture on the wikipedia entry for "idiot".

Doesn't matter unless you win the championship.....Detroit has done fairly well with the pistons and red wings, but not quite as well as the Pats and Red Sox in New England lately.

Not from Detroit or New England -- but what do the Pats have to do with RSN's? NFL Sunday Ticket has nothing to do with the RSN -- the relevant teams are MLB, NHL and NBA.

D* is not going down the line by market size. They are looking at many issues including the number of TV homes in a market, the number of D* subs in a market as well as customer support to install the new receivers and dishes and the distribution system in place in a market of said equipment to decide which markets go at what time.

Should we be expecting any kind of announcement from DirecTV or NESN about Saturadys supposed debut of NESN HD on DirecTV, or does DirecTV just really like surprising its customers?:

D* is not going down the line by market size. They are looking at many issues including the number of TV homes in a market, the number of D* subs in a market as well as customer support to install the new receivers and dishes and the distribution system in place in a market of said equipment to decide which markets go at what time.

During the SD LiL expansion, the former #65 market was actually skipped over in favor of several much "smaller" markets. D* lost a bunch of local customers to E* during that period. ;)

Fine charge us more -- I would be willing to pay. But for the remainder of this season, I don't see why they would not allow us to see the HD broadcasts available in our spot-beam if the same network is the SD feed for that game through Extra Innings. It wouldn't be hard to and would give them an advantage over E* and Cable.

I'm not sure I understand - you WILL be getting the HD feed if you get the SD feed - but provided you are in a currently served HD local market. If not, there is NOT presently a spotbeam from the Spaceway birds pointed at ya - so it can't be done. These are MPEG4 broadcasts from Spaceway on the existing HD local beams.

Here is the latest

2H 2006
Albuquerque
Austin
Cincinnati
Grand Rapids
Green Bay
Greensboro
Las Vegas
Madison
Memphis
Portland, Mn
Portland, Or
Providence
Reno
San Antonio

That's the list I saw a month or so ago and I know Madison is the #85 market and that's where I get my local HD now from 56 miles away with our antenna. I don't recall what # Green Bay is but I think they got bumped up also.

I'm not sure I understand - you WILL be getting the HD feed if you get the SD feed - but provided you are in a currently served HD local market. If not, there is NOT presently a spotbeam from the Spaceway birds pointed at ya - so it can't be done. These are MPEG4 broadcasts from Spaceway on the existing HD local beams.

I will give you an example that maybe you will understand :)

Let say you live in Providence, RI and you receive NESN as you RSN, but Directv does not offer your local HD yet. But you are obviously within the Boston spotbeam, why if you have the right equipment should you not have access to NESN-HD?

I will give you an example that maybe you will understand :)

Let say you live in Providence, RI and you receive NESN as you RSN, but Directv does not offer your local HD yet. But you are obviously within the Boston spotbeam, why if you have the right equipment should you not have access to NESN-HD?

I do understand what you are saying - I don't have your answer but there are certainly possibilities that come to mind.

1) Do they have the ability to give you access to that one channel alone from the spotbeam - or would this mean you also had access to the Boston big 4? That would NOT be ok.

2) They might not have carriage rights to beam that signal into outside markets at this point.

Listen, I don't know the actual reason or logic really, and I would just guess you don't either at this point. Do we KNOW if they could even do it? Without THAT knowledge it is pointless to place blame. I mean why wouldn't they want more people to get it? No harm to them that I know of.

Presumably this means Columbus Blue Jackets games will be in HD. Mmmm....I still won't watch. One game against the Rangers every 3 years? What idiot made that schedule? Oh right it was Gary Bettman. I should have known from his picture on the wikipedia entry for "idiot".

No offense meant, Posty, but maybe Gary was protecting Rangers fans.

Why would they want to see the Blue Jackets more often?

Here is the latest

2H 2006
Albuquerque
Austin
Cincinnati
Grand Rapids
Green Bay
Greensboro
Las Vegas
Madison
Memphis
Portland, Mn
Portland, Or
Providence
Reno
San Antonio
Who makes up these lists? I used to see a list of the first 36 markets. Most were supposed to be up by "June '06". Well June only has a few more days and I've heard nothing about the many cities to have HD-LIL broadcasting by "June '06."

What's reality and what's smoke?

Who makes up these lists? I used to see a list of the first 36 markets. Most were supposed to be up by "June '06". Well June only has a few more days and I've heard nothing about the many cities to have HD-LIL broadcasting by "June '06."

What's reality and what's smoke?

Uhhhh, DirecTV makes the lists. All one has to do is read their press releases. The list for the 2nd half of 06 has been out for months now. The last few markets in the first 36 have been going up all month.

They were the first 36 markets to be offered HD LIL by DirecTV, not the top 36 markets in the country according to their Nielsen DMA rank.

The lists are "made up" by DirecTV management. And, as foxeng noted, D* has many reasons, some of them competitive, for the order of cities to be offered HD LIL.

Topics merged.

No offense meant, Posty, but maybe Gary was protecting Rangers fans.

Why would they want to see the Blue Jackets more often?

Why would anyone want to see the Blue Jackets at all?

I think the Rangers would just like to see the Flyers and Devils a little less often. Between Jan Hrdina, Manny Maholtra, Bryan Berard and the Blue Jacket colors sometimes I squint to pretend they are the Rangers. That will be harder in HD.

If the Jackets go HD in October hockey in Columbus (5 years old) will have gone HD before baseball in Cincinnati (135 years old).

If the Jackets go HD in October hockey in Columbus (5 years old) will have gone HD before baseball in Cincinnati (135 years old).

I didn't realize the Cavs were still on Fox Sports Ohio and had not jumped to STO. But it makes more sense that FSN - OH is being added to carry their games in HD. The Cavs did 9 HD broadcasts towards the end of last season which were carried locally on all the MSOs. In a perfect world we'd get both teams in HD.

any update ScoBuck?

I talked to my source again....what can I say, there definitely is no agreement with nesn and he doesn't see any of these rsns being added in the timeframe indicated. Sorry, this could have been the shot in the arm directv hd desperately needed.

any update ScoBuck?

not at the moment, but nothing has changed that I am aware of. We will see shortly though, won't we?

When? On the 1st or after the 1st?

scobuck, will there be any press releases today?

scobuck, will there be any press releases today?

I do NOT work for DirecTV, so I do not have any way to know this. From past history, they did NOT to this day put out a press release when they added TNT-HD. I do not have the answer on this at all.


When? On the 1st or after the 1st?

Here is a C&P of the memo I received regarding this. I believe the source, I have no reason to doubt it, but as I say above, I don't work for them. What I find interesting though, is that Brine (who claims to work for them as a CSR) has posted IDENTICAL info - and so had a poster named audi. We will find out soon enough I guess if its accurate.

"On 7/1/2006, HD RSNs will be launching on the following networks in certain local markets areas:

"Games Only": YES, FSN Prime Ticket, FSN West, FSN Bay Area, FSN Southwest, FSN South, FSN Detroit, FSN Florida, STO, FSN North, FSN Northwest, FSN Arizona, FSN Rocky Mountain, Turner South. NESN will be HD 24/7.

In August 2006, CSN Chicago and CSN Mid-Atlantic will go 24/7 in HD. SNY will be available for games only.

In mid-October 2006, MSG, FSN New York, Sun Sports, and FSN Ohio will be available for games only.

This channels WILL NOT be available CONUS, only available in the local channel market. For example, NESN will be available only for customers who can get Red Sox as a part of their regular RSN."

As I have tried to make clear, this is info I received from someone I believe, thus I chose to post it (with the full knowledge that it is 'rumor' until it is FACT). I have put NO spin on it as you can see, this is the exact info I received in its original wording C&P. There is someone else who for reasons unknown to me wants to try and make this a challenge, it is NOT. I am posting info as given to me, I have no vested interest in its outcome except to enjoy more Yankee HD games this season.

Frankly, I have no more that I can add to it, I have heard of no changes from the individual (and yes, I have since spoken to him) that passed this on to me.

June 28th is coming and going without official confirmation of any future hd plans other than third party confirmation of today's local hd launches...what a surprise. Meanwhile, more and more hd users continue to switch to cable and dish.

I don't know if sco keeps referring to me, but I am just occassionally giving an update on what my source says, just like he is doing with his source. I am not posting just to discredit him, I just don't want people to get their hopes up when there are reports to the contrary.

That's an interesting list--I live in the Fox Sports South region and I didn't even know that they broadcast any HD games. I know Turner South does some Braves games (and also Thrashers games, but I'm not sure if those are HD or not) so at least I'll see some benefit to that.

I just spoke to someone in the HD department at DirecTV about my HD locals, and I also asked about NESN HD. She said that they did just get some information today saying that RSNs in HD would be coming soon. I asked her if NESN HD being added on Saturday would be out of the question and she said it's certainly possible. Just thought I'd add that into this discussion.

interesting, lets see. it has not been any standard practice of DirecTV to announce in advance new channels - sometimes they have and sometimes they haven't. can't see what that proves. the proof will be in the near future, that is the time to see it (or not).

... Meanwhile, more and more hd users continue to switch to cable and dish...

Do you have a source (and numbers) for this assertion?

It certainly doesn't seem to be borne out by the most recent quarterly subscriber results announced by the MSOs and satellite companies.

Do you have a source (and numbers) for this assertion?

It certainly doesn't seem to be borne out by the most recent quarterly subscriber results announced by the MSOs and satellite companies.
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Thanks, keenan.

I am still trying to see where all those DirecTV HD customers are going.

While Dish has certainly added more net subs in the past six months, DirecTV has been shedding poor credit risks for 15 months now. I have yet to see any indication that HD has much to do with the numbers.

There still are too few HD subs.

Using this data, the last two quarters show the following:

D* increased 1.7%
E* increased 2.2%
Digital Cable (all providers) increased 4.1%

Now these aren't HD numbers, but each provider on the list, other than Mediacom, is increasing digital subscribers at a rate greater (percentage-wise) than D*. It's possible that a number of HD subs are choosing other providers while non-HD subs are migrating from cable to satellite.

The biggest gains on that chart are with the two satcos. The cable companies have been basically stagnant for the last year and a half.

Note: The numbers are inclusive, for example, Comcast has a total of 21,495,000 subs-which includes 10,129,000 of them which are digital cable subs.

Note: That list is only of the Top 10 providers but the numbers for the rest of the cablecos is pretty much the same as the the ones listed as far as gains and losses.

I think cablecos have pretty much reached a saturation point as far as subs go, now they are pushing current subs to go digital, multiple services(telco etc.) and of course Comcast and TW bought Adelphia, both methods to increase revenue.

The total of all the numbers pretty much covers all the available households so the providers will essentially be trading subs back and forth, the same pool of possible customers, and satco is showing the biggest gains, by quite a margin over cable.

Do you have a source (and numbers) for this assertion?

It certainly doesn't seem to be borne out by the most recent quarterly subscriber results announced by the MSOs and satellite companies.

Do you read this board? How many posts do you see about cable and dish subscribers switching to directv primarily for their hd services and how many do you see vice versa, especially lately.

There aren't enough customers that strictly care about hd to make much of an impact on the overall numbers for these companies yet, but at least as far the scope and interests of the posters on this board, it's a definite trend.

No, TVBob, I don't read the board.

Puhleez!

But don't use anecdotal postings as evidence of anything larger than what they are.

Example: There have been many postings from people unhappy with the cancellation of "Huff".

Yet, according to Nielsen, only 211,000 people watched the finale.

You posted: "...Meanwhile, more and more hd users continue to switch to cable and dish...."

You didn't say more and more people on this thread or anything else. The fact is there is little evidence to back up your statement. And you apparently don't have any -- aside from postings on this board.

And if we based our beliefs on postings, it would be impossible to think that DirecTV had many subs at all, much less a substantial lead on every provider but Comcast.

And judging by all the "Comcrap" posts, it would be difficult to believe -- if we were using postings as our source -- that Comcast has by far the most subscribers.

Beliefs are one thing. Facts are often something else.

You didn't really read my entire post I don't think. I said it wouldn't make a difference in overall subscribers yet, because there aren't enough customers who are focused on hd. But among those in this community and that niche of customers that do, there is evidence of far more switching from directv to other services because of their respective hd offerings. There is no hard data for this, but if you spend time on this and similiar boards, it's pretty obvious. But again, there aren't enough people here to make a difference in a tv's show ratings, just like there aren't enough to make a difference in overall subscriber figures.

The bigger point would be is if directv does not shape up and deliver better hd services, it will affect them in the future as more and more typical customers focus on hd. To not realize this, is pure ignorance.

Sorry if I wasn't specific enough in my initial statement, but we are in an hdtv community afterall.

The biggest gains on that chart are with the two satcos. The cable companies have been basically stagnant for the last year and a half.

Note: The numbers are inclusive, for example, Comcast has a total of 21,495,000 subs-which includes 10,129,000 of them which are digital cable subs.

I think cablecos have pretty much reached a saturation point as far as subs go, now they are pushing current subs to go digital, multiple services(telco etc.) and of course Comcast and TW bought Adelphia, both methods to increase revenue.

The total of all the numbers pretty much covers all the available households so the providers will essentially be trading subs back and forth, the same pool of possible customers, and satco is showing the biggest gains, by quite a margin over cable.

They are trading subs, but which subs?. The point I was trying to make is that cable is seeing an increase in digital customers. Now obviously, many of those are moving from analog to digital with the same cableco, but many cable subs are moving to satellite, and I was speculating that the D* HD subs that are leaving are moving to digital cable and E*. Of course the number of HD subs is probably too low to make a difference in this data.

The question posed was where are the D* HD subs going? If they are leaving, they are going to cable or E*. Cable's flat numbers do not show how many SD for HD subs they are trading with satellite. Without a breakout of SD/HD subs, the data doesn't tell us much in trying to answer the original question.

TVBob -

Conclusions drawn from anecdotal evidence are risky. I've been loath to post on this topic lest we decend into yet another this service or that service sucks discussion, but...

I switched from cable to DirecTV (and their HD package) a year and a half ago and have been very pleased with D*. Granted, I switched from Mediacom (notice their dropping numbers in the table above) -- They are IMO one of the worst excuses for a cable provider and still my only available option for cable. I've had three HDTV's connected to D* and OTA HD. The latest is a Sammy HL-S5687W 1080p set. With careful adjustment, I've been able to get quite enjoyable picture quality in spite of HD Lite on all 3 sets (not as good as the best OTA, but still quite good). Yes, I'm still hoping that more satellites and MPEG4 will soon allow D* to maximize both HD and SD picture quality. In the meantime, I'm enjoying what I have (including NFL ST).

There may be a substantial number of satisfied D* viewers around who just prefer not to engage in the endless (and pointless) bickering about service providers.

sub numbers look good to me. according to keenans chart, D* looks like 2nd largest overall, and decent growth IMO.

Hopefully DTV straightens out there HD track record.

Hopefully DTV straightens out there HD track record.

Could you explain, please. Thanks.

Do you read this board? How many posts do you see about cable and dish subscribers switching to directv primarily for their hd services and how many do you see vice versa, especially lately.

There aren't enough customers that strictly care about hd to make much of an impact on the overall numbers for these companies yet, but at least as far the scope and interests of the posters on this board, it's a definite trend.

Well, I read this board - you know that. I in fact do read about people switching services, and I would agree that most (of those posting at AVS) are switching away from DirecTV. But you know what, the number of people that have said that is not even 25 in the past month or more. 25 people, out of 15+ MILLION subs. That's not even a pimple on a rats A**. It is a meaningless number to DirecTV, and keenans info more than backs that up.

BTW, there are a number (yes it is fewer) of posts of people leaving Dish for D* - maybe 3 or 4. NET result, they picked up about 20 SUBS from AVS. Now thats a powerful argument. And like YOU said, this is not to discredit you bob, but your point here is not valid IMO.

As far as the DirecTV better shape up part - I have to guess you do NOT listen to their webinars. Listen to the last one (last week), they talk about this SPECIFIC point, and ADMIT that they were behind in capacity. The FACTS about when that new capacity is going to be added is also WELL-KNOWN and not going to change.

No one who posts on this board should be naive to the D* rollout plan and its timeframe. If its not going fast enough for a person, they have the very choices much discussed at AVS. But continuing with the gloom and doom does NOT match the actual numbers (thanks keenan).

Could you explain, please. Thanks.

Perhaps he means the fact that directv has the poorest hd quality, least channels, and in some cases, the inability to record all hd channels, compared to other hd providers. Plans are nice, but until they deliver, this is how it stands. Where has it been confirmed when hd lite will disappear and what specific hd channels will be added anyway, besides locals.

Perhaps he means the fact that directv has the poorest hd quality, least channels, and in some cases, the inability to record all hd channels, compared to other hd providers. Plans are nice, but until they deliver, this is how it stands. Where has it been confirmed when hd lite will disappear and what specific hd channels will be added anyway, besides locals.

Again a negative post. And again you want to speak for someone else, again you intercept a question for someone else. I have gone out of my way to ignore your taunts, and will continue to do that.

I'll wait for the person I asked the question to respond, if you don't mind. Is it possible he was talking about something else?

I doubt it, those are pretty much the main problems with directv hd.

I make plenty of positive posts are hd products and services, but I struggle to find much positive to say about directv when there are better hd providers.

Why haven't you switched to DISH yet?

Why haven't you switched to DISH yet?

sunday ticket. they got me there.

Why haven't you switched to DISH yet?

I hope you don't mean me, as I have said before, I am not a directv subscriber, but my job requires me to deal with them and other hd providers on a daily basis.

I've noticed that the FSN RSNs have increased the amount of HD games they are doing. I hope this is a good sign...

http://msn.foxsports.com/name/HD

allan

I noticed channels that I hadn't seen before showing up in the guide last night--somewhere around the 645 range, I believe. I know there was FSS-a listed, but it only said To Be Announced in the guide. There were quite a few of these channels so maybe this is where they will be putting the HD versions of the RSN's.

Here I will simplify it for you.

I live in the Philly market, I will not be able to get NESN-HD :mad: even though I get HD Pack, Sports Pack and EI. But of course I can get Yes network HD(sure have the bandwidth for that). So yeah that freaking pisses me off, and I am not going to give them a pass on this, I have been patient, no longer. If the want to charge me more for it, fine whatever. But they are not even giving me the opportunity. Sorry I don't want to wait for next year, if they can put it up July 1st, than put it up for all who want it. Just like YES! You can take it as a step forward I will take it as a slap in the face.

BTW, Paducah is a slang term for small town.

I too feel your pain as I live just outside Philly. However, It's not D*TV, it's Comcast. They found a loophole in the regulations for terrestrial broadcasting. In that loop hole, they (Comcast) do not have to share their local sports net with a "satellitte provider".

I left them (Commycast) because of their GREED and I refuse to go back to them because of their GREED!! Do I miss watching the Flyers and Phillies...Yes! But there are enough sports on D*tV at any given time, and like I said before I refuse to contribute to a greedy, money hungry corporation such as Comcast.

Now for the the "good news"....Verizon FIOS will have the rights (soon) to "air" local sports because they are considered a "cable competitor" in the local area. So once this is set up and in place, I believe that Verizon will be working with D*tv for local sports. That's why Verizon has been working with D*TV for the last year or so. This is speculation on my part, but I have read enough articles to believe that it will happen, but may take 3 months to a year. So hang on and don't give up on D*TV...they have been fighting this battle for years and are finally making progress.

i feel the pain to, i'm in central new jersey, so its even worse between phila and new york. comcast just needs to give it up and play fair.

i feel the pain to, i'm in central new jersey, so its even worse between phila and new york. comcast just needs to give it up and play fair.

Right on...Eventually (I hope) they'll lose the battle. The only thing that scares me, is I believe they will or have purchased the OGN network and may move all Philly sports to that, then we are back to square one......I would not put it past them.

I too feel your pain as I live just outside Philly. However, It's not D*TV, it's Comcast. They found a loophole in the regulations for terrestrial broadcasting. In that loop hole, they (Comcast) do not have to share their local sports net with a "satellitte provider"...

To be fair, they didn't exactly "find" the loophole. The cable lobbyists helped write it.

Cox also takes advantage of the terrestrial loophole and denies the 100+ HD games of the San Diego Padres to DBS.

And Comcast, Cox, and Time Warner lobbied hard (and won) with the FCC to force NewsCorp not to keep any of its networks from cable when it was allowed to gain control of DirecTV.

To be fair, they didn't exactly "find" the loophole. The cable lobbyists helped write it.

Cox also takes advantage of the terrestrial loophole and denies the 100+ HD games of the San Diego Padres to DBS.

And Comcast, Cox, and Time Warner lobbied hard (and won) with the FCC to force NewsCorp not to keep any of its networks from cable when it was allowed to gain control of DirecTV.


Will Verizon FIOS eventually "win out" and they'll have the rights to the local sports? If so, are you under the same impression that I'm under that D*TV and Verizon will work together to air local sports? I know Comcast and Verizon FIOS came to some "agreement" (or Commycast was forced by the FCC) to let Verizon "air" local sports?

Will Verizon FIOS eventually "win out" and they'll have the rights to the local sports? If so, are you under the same impression that I'm under that D*TV and Verizon will work together to air local sports? I know Comcast and Verizon FIOS came to some "agreement" (or Commycast was forced by the FCC) to let Verizon "air" local sports?

I don't know, Mike. I didn't realize that Comcast had reached an agreement with Verizon.

But it seems to me the more pressure the telcos can add, the more problems Comcast (and Cox) will have keeping their RSNs essentially private.

If in several years there are 10 million Verizon telco subs and another similar AT&T number, along with close to 40 million combined DBS subs, it will be pretty hard to keep them shut out. Legislators will feel lots of heat when the shut out subs start to number in the many millions.

Everyone, just relax with the personal stuff, that's what PMs are for. Nothing is more annoying than when I get an email notification that something new has been posted here, only to find that it's people going off on a tangent, away from the topic.

Happened to go through the D* dance this afternoon to update to HD. All the info that they are giving (4 CSRs all the way to retention) speak of RSNs coming soon but no definate date. Yeah, I know that doesn't really help...but hopefully we'll know tomorrow :)

I see all the additional channels they have added in the 600's yet I don't see one for FSN West or FSN Prime Ticket. What gives, and what channels will these HD games be on?

You never know until DirecTV starts broadcastiong new channels, but a good guess would be that the HD games will remain in the 90s.

I see all the additional channels they have added in the 600's yet I don't see one for FSN West or FSN Prime Ticket. What gives, and what channels will these HD games be on?
Which channels do you speak of? What are they labeled? Could you give me some numbers? I'd like to take a look.

650/651 is FSNW. 654/655 are both FSBA. I am assuming one of these are for the HD games. As the only programming on them says upcoming game.

Are you sure those weren't there before?

There's a good chance they were as I have both channels, 654/655-FSNBA, in my favorite channel guide/list and I haven't changed anything on that list in months so they must have been there since way back then.

There's a good chance they were as I have both channels, 654/655-FSNBA, in my favorite channel guide/list and I haven't changed anything on that list in months so they must have been there since way back then.

654 is the main channel and 655 would usually be dark unless there are two pro grames playing at the same time like Warriors and Sharks, then they would play one on 654 and the other on 655.

I sure would love to know if Comcast Sports Net in Sacramento is on the MPEG4 local RSN list for sometime this year. I would run out tomorrow and pick up an H20 just to be ready by October.

Here in NY I got the Yankee game on channel 98 in HD tonight. In the past, I have never been able to access anything on that channel. On those few instances when we did get YESHD in the past it was on channel 97 so I am not sure if this is in relation to this thread, but I thought I would share it.

Everyone, just relax with the personal stuff, that's what PMs are for. Nothing is more annoying than when I get an email notification that something new has been posted here, only to find that it's people going off on a tangent, away from the topic.Amen. Posts removed.

No NESN HD here in CT as of 10:00am. Starting to lose hope. Has DirecTV ever added channels on a Saturday anyway?

I think we can put the legitimacy of that rsn launch info to bed. My source has come through for me again.

Nowhere have I seen any mention of Fox Sports Midwest. Any HD news on this channel? Would be nice to see the St. Louis Cardinals in HD even though they are sucking right now.

well it's official, the red sox marlins game was not on broadcast on nesn hd for anyone with directv as far as I am aware. Not sure who came up with the idea that they had reached a deal with directv.

well it's official, the red sox marlins game was not on broadcast on nesn hd for anyone with directv as far as I am aware. Not sure who came up with the idea that they had reached a deal with directv.

I'd rather be wrong than be anything like you.

Posty - do I have information for you. I will be sending it along very soon, I am sure you will find it interesting.

Posty - i sent you a private message, did you receive it?

I am searching for a honest opinion on which is better now and long run dish or direct for hd and overall thanks. this rsn stuff has me thinking direct.

adgreer - everyone will give you their opinion, it should be honest, but they will all be somewhat different. different strokes for different folks.

heck some people will give you 2 entirely different opinions.

tomorrow I'll send you a PM of some interest, too tired now to write it.

News Flash:
D* will have FSN Detroit when it debuts HDTV on 7/14, with a Detroit Tigers home game vs. Kansas City.

News Flash:
D* will have FSN Detroit when it debuts HDTV on 7/14, with a Detroit Tigers home game vs. Kansas City.

That is great news - thanks! Things are happening!

BTW, have you received the PM I sent you earlier?

So did anyone get any of these today?

News Flash:
D* will have FSN Detroit when it debuts HDTV on 7/14, with a Detroit Tigers home game vs. Kansas City.

Will the games be avaialble to MLBEI subs do you think Ken?

Will it be in MPEG-4 or MPEG-2?

Thanks for any info Ken...

So did anyone get any of these today?

I believe the answer is yes.

Read posts from sub in Florida - actually having audio problems and some video problems.

But it's gonna take a couple of days for better info to be posted. What is interesting is if you go to this link:
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/epg/theGuide.jsp?d=185&h=19&tz=p&l=1&z=94103&fl=_d&ct=all&x=9&y=7

It is the DirecTV programming guide. If you enter different zip codes for different cities you will note that some areas get channel 96 in the program guide, and some do not. The channel heading for 96 shows as RSN, the games listed are the local MLB games in that specific market. This appears to be a MPEG4 spotbeam channel by all indications - going into specified DMAs as expected.

It also seems that ALL the DMAs show channel 95 in the program guides - now this is a guess only, but since quite a few of the DMAs show the same Yankee game listed for Tuesday (for example) - I GUESS that this is still MPEG2, and it is still CONUS. It does show in the program guide games besides the Yankees games - but only today (but the Yankees are on ESPN tonight), and on next Saturday (which is FOX game of the week day). It has Yankee games EVERY other day according to the guide.

So, yes it appears that RSN has been added, but it seems to still be rolling out. I have NOT heard of NESN being lit yet (but since I am in NY, I would have no way to know unless it gets here.

BTW - the same is true for channel 97 as 95. Some DMAs program listings have channel 97 with MLB games listed - so the available channels ARE different in the different DMAS - and have different games showing.

That's an interesting page, I guess DirecTV changed the look of the website, haven't been there in awhile, looks good. Anyway, for San Francisco it show a Giants/Rockies game on Tuesday under the heading "MLB EXTRA INNINGS HD" in the popup window. Be interesting to see if the MPEG4 receivers will get the game.

Interesting. That program guide online shows that I get significantly viewed locals from Boston, Providence, and New York. I actually only get them from New York.

Will the games be avaialble to MLBEI subs do you think Ken?

Will it be in MPEG-4 or MPEG-2?

Thanks for any info Ken...Two good questions, and right now I don't have the answer to either. I'm checking with my sources.

That's an interesting page, I guess DirecTV changed the look of the website, haven't been there in awhile, looks good. Anyway, for San Francisco it show a Giants/Rockies game on Tuesday under the heading "MLB EXTRA INNINGS HD" in the popup window. Be interesting to see if the MPEG4 receivers will get the game.

Gonna be interesting over the next few days to sort it all out!

BTW - I have sent you 2 pms

Two good questions, and right now I don't have the answer to either. I'm checking with my sources.

Sounds good Ken..Thanks for checking into it :)

Gonna be interesting over the next few days to sort it all out!

BTW - I have sent you 2 pms
Thanks.



The below info was posted at DBSTalk.com for anyone that's interested.

No love for the SF Bay Area-FSNBA-HD does not appear on the list.. which is as I suspected since it's not a true Fox Sports run/owned RSN. :(

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=605667#post605667
OK who wants to hear some nifty Y.E.S. channel info? - Page 2 - DBSTalk.Com

I guess it can't hurt to publish this now, since the RSNs doappear to be turning on now. Unless noted, these channels are expected in the upper 90's; and ONLY available in the DBA that corresponds to those RSNs... AKA... If you get that RSN in your BASE PACKAGE, you SHOULD get it in HD then (if you have the MPEG4 setup)

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Atlanta FSN SOUTH
Part Time: MLB Braves, NHL Hurricances, NBA-Hawks

Atlanta TURNER SOUTH
Primetime (Part Time) MLB - BRAVES

Boston
NESN 24/7 on Channel 623 (in HD)
MLB - RED SOX , NHL - BRIUNS

Cleveland Sportstime Ohio
Part Time: MLB - INDIANS

Dallas: FSN Southwest
Part Time: MLB - RANGERS , NBA - MAVERICKS, NHL - STARS
Primetime (Part Time) KDFI (IND)

Denver: FSN Rocky Mountain
Part Time: MLB - ROCKIES

Detroit: FSN Detroit
Part Time: MLB - TIGERS

Houston: FSN Southwest
Part Time: MLB - ASTROS

Los Angeles: FSN West
Part Time: MLB - ANGELS , NBA - LAKERS, NHL - KINGS

Los Angeles: FSN PrimetTicket
Part Time: MLB - DODGERS

Miami: FSN Florida
Part Time: MLB - RAYS , MARLINS , NHL - PANTHERS , NBA - HEAT

Minneapolis: FSN North
Part Time: MLB - TWINS , NHL - WILD , NBA - T-WOLVES

New York: YES
Part Time: MLB - YANKEES , NETS

Orlando: FSN Florida
Part Time: MLB - RAYS , MARLINS

Phoenix: FSN Arizona
Part Time: MLB - D'BACKS , NHL - COYOTES, NBA - SUNS

Seattle: FSN Northwest
Part Time: MLB - MAINERS , NBA - SONICS

Tampa: FSN Florida
Part Time: MLB - RAYS, MARLINS

Thanks.


Interesting stuff I sent you about that - wasn't it?

Thanks.



The below info was posted at DBSTalk.com for anyone that's interested.

No love for the SF Bay Area-FSNBA-HD does not appear on the list.. which is as I suspected since it's not a true Fox Sports run/owned RSN. :(

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=605667#post605667
OK who wants to hear some nifty Y.E.S. channel info? - Page 2 - DBSTalk.Com

Thanks, I didn't see that list yet.

By the way, I sent you a pm.

To ScoBuck: Yes it was.

To TVBob: Got your PM.

To keenan: Mother says not to get mixed up with these two guys. :p :D

To keenan: Mother says not to get mixed up with these two guys. :p :D
I second that. Let's just see some HD RSNs.

I second that. Let's just see some HD RSNs.
I hope you guys get the one's you're looking for. I got my hopes up when FSNBA-HD was listed initially, but per Earl at DBSTalk's post, no go for me, and truthfully, that's what I had expected as FSNBA is Rainbow Media, and not a Fox Sports RSN.

So basically this is of no value whatsoever if you are a fan of out-of-town baseball? Which is 99% of the reason why people buy the extra innings package in the first place. How is it possible for D* to do everything they do for the nfl with all the games in hd, but they can only do one game at a time for baseball? Why can't d* just broadcast all the games that are in hd in hd? I understand it wont look great, but they thought it looked good enough to charge 100 bucks for the hd feeds of the nfl... I believe some days they had as many as10 hd feeds on at once...
Frustrated mariners fan in upstate ny.
Joe

So basically this is of no value whatsoever if you are a fan of out-of-town baseball? Which is 99% of the reason why people buy the extra innings package in the first place. How is it possible for D* to do everything they do for the nfl with all the games in hd, but they can only do one game at a time for baseball? Why can't d* just broadcast all the games that are in hd in hd? I understand it wont look great, but they thought it looked good enough to charge 100 bucks for the hd feeds of the nfl... I believe some days they had as many as10 hd feeds on at once...
Frustrated mariners fan in upstate ny.
Joe
There isn't enough bandwidth available right now with the current 101, 110, and 119 satellites. I beleive that eventually these MPEG 4 HD RSNs will be available nationally and HD games will be part of the MLB EI package. But for now, getting the games for just your area is better than no HD games at all.

So basically this is of no value whatsoever if you are a fan of out-of-town baseball? Which is 99% of the reason why people buy the extra innings package in the first place. How is it possible for D* to do everything they do for the nfl with all the games in hd, but they can only do one game at a time for baseball? Why can't d* just broadcast all the games that are in hd in hd? I understand it wont look great, but they thought it looked good enough to charge 100 bucks for the hd feeds of the nfl... I believe some days they had as many as10 hd feeds on at once...
Frustrated mariners fan in upstate ny.
Joe

actually joe, they have done this so that they CAN show more than one HD basball game at the same time - but they have to use spotbeams - and they have to use MPEG4 - they just don't have the MPEG2 bandwidth right now to do it any differently unfortunately.

as far as what they do with the NFL - that is different. They show HD games, but they are only Sunday (with very FEW exceptions), and to clear bandwidth, they eliminate a large number of other offerings such as PPV channels while the games are on in order to gather th needed bandwidth to do the games. The cannot do this EVERY day for baseball.

Paulie is right, it is a one-year fix. By this time next year (provided DIRECTV10 is launched without delay) the RSNs will reside on there - and even though they WILL be MPEG4 - they will be CONUS.

Also, since FOX and CBS (and NBC, ABC, and ESPN) already have two full time MPEG2 HD channels EACH - ALL on CONUS beams - they ALWAYS have plenty of bandwidth in place for a good percentage of the NFL games.

Remeber the MLB is regional generally, the NFL is a national package, covered by only a few sources.

Here in Los Angeles CH 96 just popped up w/ HD feed of Dodgers pre-game from Fox Sports West HD. Definately mpeg 4 since I can only watch on H20 not on my HR10-250. Only one problem.... No audio, through HDMI or Optical. Hopefully they'll fix it before the game starts.

Thanks Venice - I think between a couple of different boards I have seen posts from at least 9 members now geting local RSN-Hd boradcasts. Looks like the info I posted on the 22nd WAS pretty good - and it looks like more are coming in the next couple of days. I think the initial rolout will be completed by mid-week due to assorted and various items, then we will see the tally of exactly how many.

Did someone keep saying that there were NO RSN HD locals coming this week? hmmm............

Even though SportsTime Ohio is on the list, HD games won't show up until Monday. STO only broadcasts home games in HDTV, and the team is on the road until tomorrow night.

Thanks Venice - I think between a couple of different boards I have seen posts from at least 9 members now geting local RSN-Hd boradcasts. Looks like the info I posted on the 22nd WAS pretty good - and it looks like more are coming in the next couple of days. I think the initial rolout will be completed by mid-week due to assorted and various items, then we will see the tally of exactly how many.

Did someone keep saying that there were NO RSN HD locals coming this week? hmmm............

Not me, I said there would be a decent chance that they would be adding more partime rsn hds starting this month but that there would be no fulltime mpeg 4 rsns until at least october, including nesn.

Has FSN Pittsburgh already been airing HD games? Saw a bit of Tigers/Pirates today on 95 and don't recall if I've seen either team there before.

well it's official, the red sox marlins game was not on broadcast on nesn hd for anyone with directv as far as I am aware. Not sure who came up with the idea that they had reached a deal with directv.


Still gloating, huh?

Not me, I said there would be a decent chance that they would be adding more partime rsn hds starting this month but that there would be no fulltime mpeg 4 rsns until at least october, including nesn.
And what's the reason for no Red Sox in HD until October?

And what's the reason for no Red Sox in HD until October?

It's just not in directv's plans. Until they start using new satellites next year newfulltime mpeg 4 channels will be few and far between. It's possible they could add it partime like the other new rsns at some point, I do not know that for sure.

Not me, I said there would be a decent chance that they would be adding more partime rsn hds starting this month but that there would be no fulltime mpeg 4 rsns until at least october, including nesn.
Oh yes, let's not forget this one:

I talked to my source again....what can I say, there definitely is no agreement with nesn and he doesn't see any of these rsns being added in the timeframe indicated. Sorry, this could have been the shot in the arm directv hd desperately needed.

Here in Chicago, we receive Comcast Sports Net. I was told by comcast that directv would have it later this year. Anyone have any idea when that might happen? I need to have my local teams in HD!

Oh yes, let's not forget this one:

Sorry a bit of a typo there. I meant to say "many" of the rsns supposed to be added, like the rsns on the list but very unlikely directv could come to a deal with because of comcast and other factors. The fox ones are a pretty safe bet.

It's just not in directv's plans. Until they start using new satellites next year newfulltime mpeg 4 channels will be few and far between. It's possible they could add it partime like the other new rsns at some point, I do not know that for sure.
So you're telling me that you think that the Colorado Rockies, Florida Marlins, and Tampa Bay Devil Rays are part of DirecTV's plans, but the Boston Red Sox are not? I don't buy that logic. Also, there is no bandwidth problem with the new satellite's spotbeams that would keep them from putting NESN HD on full time. The reason that the many FSNs are on part-time is because they offer only live game HD programming, and nothing else.

No i was referring to THESE posts:


The information I gathered revealed there will be no fulltime mpeg 4 rsns until september at the earliest, game only hd broadcasts I am less certain of but the source was not aware of any being added before september either. Just don't want to get people's hopes up. Of course directv is planning to add channels like these, I just don't have any reason to believe it will be in the next few months.


I talked to my source again....what can I say, there definitely is no agreement with nesn and he doesn't see any of these rsns being added in the timeframe indicated. Sorry, this could have been the shot in the arm directv hd desperately needed

June 28th is coming and going without official confirmation of any future hd plans other than third party confirmation of today's local hd launches...what a surprise. Meanwhile, more and more hd users continue to switch to cable and dish.

Later all.

So you're telling me that you think that the Colorado Rockies, Florida Marlins, and Tampa Bay Devil Rays are part of DirecTV's plans, but the Boston Red Sox are not? I don't buy that logic. Also, there is no bandwidth problem with the new satellite's spotbeams that would keep them from putting NESN HD on full time. The reason that the many FSNs are on part-time is because they offer only live game HD programming, and nothing else.

I'm sure directv would like to add nesn at least parttime, but they have been unable to come to an agreement with them after much effort. It's not a matter of who they would like to add, but who they can add.

They could add several mpeg 4 fulltime channels before 2007 I suppose, but if they do, they are going to get complaints from all sides as to why more fulltime channels can not be added. My source said they could launch a few, not sports perhaps, starting later in the fall.

So you're telling me that you think that the Colorado Rockies, Florida Marlins, and Tampa Bay Devil Rays are part of DirecTV's plans, but the Boston Red Sox are not? I don't buy that logic. Also, there is no bandwidth problem with the new satellite's spotbeams that would keep them from putting NESN HD on full time. The reason that the many FSNs are on part-time is because they offer only live game HD programming, and nothing else.

This is EXACTLY correct, they are putting on multiple games at the same time now - there is ABUNDANT MPEG4 local bandwidth RIGHT NOW.

They are not going to pay rights fees for full-time when the MAIN program is the GAME.

This is EXACTLY correct, they are putting on multiple games at the same time now - there is ABUNDANT MPEG4 local bandwidth RIGHT NOW.

They are not going to pay rights fees for full-time when the MAIN program is the GAME.

Abundant mpeg 4 bandwith? That is a stretch to say the least. If directv viewed it as abundant, they wouldn't like cable and dish get such a headstart on them.

Right now - they have the capacity to add over 1000 MPEG4 local channels. Full time or part time makes NO difference.

Right now - they have the capacity to add over 1000 MPEG4 local channels. Full time or part time makes NO difference.

It's not just capacity, but the capability to add so many channels.

Just got back from having lunch... Channel 96 says RSN, the game is on and in HD from Fox Sports West HD but I still have no audio... Picture looks good though... Fox Sport West HD isn't on fulltime anyway so if it pops up whenever their website says it's active that's good enough for me... specially when the basketball season starts in the fall... Now only if that dang MPEG 4 DVR would get released so I wouldn't have to plug the H20 in everytime I want to watch Fox Sports West HD.... And I'd like to hear what's going on.

I have a questioner or two for you.


But I'll wait for tomorrow I think.

Right now - they have the capacity to add over 1000 MPEG4 local channels. Full time or part time makes NO difference.
Yeah. Divide that up amongst all of the spotbeams and you've got tons of bandwidth available. There's probalby room for multiple full time RSNs in each spotbeam.

You have failed to see quite a few poiints that YOU yourself have made - I think its showing now - from quite a few different people I might add.

If a few means you, then yes.

I have been very consistent in my reports from my source all along. I never said part time rsns would not be added, I said the entire list you presented was not accurate (and recently on dbs I am told a more accurate list was presented) and nesn definitely would not be added in the next few months, or any fulltime mpeg 4 channel for that matter.

Enough of the off topic bickering. Further non-productive posts will be deleted.

They could add several mpeg 4 fulltime channels before 2007 I suppose, but if they do, they are going to get complaints from all sides as to why more fulltime channels can not be added. My source said they could launch a few, not sports perhaps, starting later in the fall.
Not sure what you're talking about here. They could launch a few more MPEG 4 channels, but not sports? Are you referring to more local channels, like my ABC and FOX affiliates? Well that's a no brainer.

Also, what do you mean that if they add more full time channels, there will be complaints as to why other's haven't been added?

Any sign of 96 in NYC? Don't see it as yet in the guide on either my HD-PVR nor my H20 (MPEG4).

Not sure what you're talking about here. They could launch a few more MPEG 4 channels, but not sports? Are you referring to more local channels, like my ABC and FOX affiliates? Well that's a no brainer.

Also, what do you mean that if they add more full time channels, there will be complaints as to why other's haven't been added?

No, of course locals in mpeg 4 will continue to be added, which will take up much of the bandwith they will be willing to use and implement before 2007. I was talking about I am unsure if the few mpeg 4 channels would be sports related or other networks like foodtv, hgtv etc.

If a few means you, then yes.

I said the entire list you presented was not accurate (and recently on dbs I am told a more accurate list was presented) and nesn definitely would not be added in the next few months, or any fulltime mpeg 4 channel for that matter.
By the way, NESN is on that list.

Given that DirecTV is not going to introduce HD locals in all 210 DMA's for quite some time, maybe not do all 210 ever, significantly viewed and all that, they easily have the capacity for all the RSNs. The interesting thing is how these MPEG4 spotbeams work as they will cover multiple markets, further cutting down on bandwidth needs.

So yeah, I don't see bandwidth being an issue, money and contracts is no doubt the obstacle.

No, of course locals in mpeg 4 will continue to be added, which will take up much of the bandwith they will be willing to use and implement before 2007. I was talking about I am unsure if the few mpeg 4 channels would be sports related or other networks like foodtv, hgtv etc.
They'd give that bandwidth up for NESN HD before they do for HGTV, etc, no doubt.. Beleive me, I live in New England and know that people want the Sox and Bruins before they want HGTV.

By the way, NESN is on that list.

True, which is why I would not trust it entirely, but besides that, it appears to be more realistic and accurate than the ones presented here.

They'd give that bandwidth up for NESN HD before they do for HGTV, etc, no doubt.. Beleive me, I live in New England and know that people want the Sox and Bruins before they want HGTV.

In New england, but not in most of the country.

I take it back, the picture for the Dodger game looks like crap. Whenever you see the grass and ground it's artificating.

I take it back, the picture for the Dodger game looks like crap. Whenever you see the grass and ground it's artificating.

Mpeg 4 problems with directv? Say it aint so!

In New england, but not in most of the country.
Spotbeams.... I don't care about the rest of the country. Doesn't matter anyway as bandwidth is not an issue here. DirecTV is more worried about sports than HGTV.

Spotbeams.... I don't care about the rest of the country. Doesn't matter anyway as bandwidth is not an issue here. DirecTV is more worried about sports than HGTV.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If it was a national sports channel, then probably.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If it was a national sports channel, then probably.
DirecTV WILL NOT be spotbeaming HGTV or other national channels, I don't think it takes an expert to figure that out.

DirecTV WILL NOT be spotbeaming HGTV or other national channels, I don't think it takes an expert to figure that out.

I'm not sure I see your point. Bandwith aside, directv has limited structures in place to add many mpeg 4 channels before their much more significant launch in 2007.

I'm not sure I see your point. Bandwith aside, directv has limited structures in place to add many mpeg 4 channels before their much more significant launch in 2007.
You were saying that DirecTV may add other "non-sports" MPEG 4 channels in spotbeams before the end of the year, not so sure about them being sports channels, more like HGTV, etc. My point is they will not be spotbeaming national channels to the markets that are lit for MPEG 4 before DirecTV 10 goes up next year. Do you understand now?

You were saying that DirecTV may add other "non-sports" MPEG 4 channels in spotbeams before the end of the year, not so sure about them being sports channels, more like HGTV, etc. My point is they will not be spotbeaming national channels to the markets that are lit for MPEG 4 before DirecTV 10 goes up next year. Do you understand now?

That is somewhat contrary to the info I have, directv has not ruled out adding some national mpeg 4 channels before then.

Spotbeaming is not the issue really, there is a lot of work involved in getting any channel going. It's a matter of if they want to spend the effort getting one rsn up or a national network.

That is somewhat contrary to the info I have, directv has not ruled out adding some national mpeg 4 channels before then.
Sure, they may add national MPEG 4 channels, but I can almost guarantee you they will not be on 99 or 103. They'll be on 101, 110, or 119.

And as I said, there is move involved in adding an mpeg 4 channel than just bandwith considerations.

And as I said, there is move involved in adding an mpeg 4 channel than just bandwith considerations.
I guarantee you (if a deal for NESN HD is not in place) that as soon as it's signed, even if it's this week, they'll light it up immediately, they won't wait until it's "in their plans" or they're "ready".

I'm done here, it's too nice of a day to sit indoors at the computer.

In New england, but not in most of the country.Isn't that obvious? Of course most local viewers want local sports nets in HD before second tier cable/sat channels.

I guarantee you (if a deal for NESN HD is not in place) that as soon as it's signed, even if it's this week, they'll light it up immediately, they won't wait until it's "in their plans" or they're "ready".

I'm done here, it's too nice of a day to sit indoors at the computer.

I agree, but it's likely they don't negotiate every single day with nesn. Probably it goes off and on through the months. But I just have no info that directv has immediate plans to add fulltime mpeg 4 rsns, no matter how much some subs may want them. If an agreement is reached, they could show just nesn game broadcasts, as I speculated before.

Isn't that obvious? Of course most local viewers want local sports nets in HD before second tier cable/sat channels.

I thought it was pretty obvious myself.....

But I just have no info that directv has immediate plans to add fulltime mpeg 4 rsns, no matter how much some subs may want them.I do.

I do.

You have the same info or different info that has been presented in this thread? I fear once the false info was released in the first place, it started a rollercoaster or sorts of not entirely accurate information. I don't blame anyone who presents reports they believe to be true though.

I do.
Exactly, Dish has, why wouldn't DirecTV.

You have the same info or different info that has been presented in this thread?Different.

I thought it was pretty obvious myself.....Then what's the point....

Different.

Can you share it?

Then what's the point....

Because Pauley asked.

Can you share it?Right now, no, but maybe on Monday. I'll post here if I can.

Bottom line is that DirecTV is expanding local sports nets in HD, right now.

Right now, no, but maybe on Monday. I'll post here if I can.

Bottom line is that DirecTV is expanding local sports nets in HD, right now.

I agree, but not with fulltime mpeg 4 channels according to my source, and he has yet to be wrong so far.

Do you expect some actual press releases or statements from directv about these rsns next week?

Because Pauley asked.No, he didn't ask. He made a statement.

I lied, I"m not spending some time outdoors yet, I'm still here.

TVBob... I think you are misunderstanding why most of the RSNs have been added as part time so far. It's not because they don't have the bandwidth, or want to spend the "effor" to add the full time channels, it's because the majority of RSNs do not provide any HD content outside of live games. NESN HD provies many hours of HD content daily. They provide every Boson Red Sox game in HD, and they do all of their in-studio shows in HD. That's why NESN HD will be full time on DirecTV, just as all the reports have been saying all this time.

Do you expect some actual press releases or statements from directv about these rsns next week?I don't know. Again, if I can add something I will.

No, he didn't ask. He made a statement.

I guess, my point was simply it's not an easy decision one way or the other to spend the effort and resources on getting a local rsn up or a national hd channel, even if that channel may not get the best ratings.

Maybe I am being totally naive here. I understand the NFL is only one day a week. But, from what I recall they only took down the one PPV HD channel. Which btw, is 99% S**T. Am I missing something? Is there something else they did? So lets say they put 5 or 6 games on a night. That is 1/2 of what they did for the nfl, and they could probably split it. Maybe do 4 early games and 2 late games. Or 3 and 3. Either way, I am not buying the excuse of no bandwidth. Get rid of the one PPV channel and put the games on. Someone else previously mentioned as well, how in the hell are the pirates and d-rays always on and the red sox aren't? Now i am no sox fan, but I do enjoy quality baseball. If i wanted to watch crap, I'd buy some of the D* PPVHD offerings!
joe

I lied, I"m not spending some time outdoors yet, I'm still here.

TVBob... I think you are misunderstanding why most of the RSNs have been added as part time so far. It's not because they don't have the bandwidth, or want to spend the "effor" to add the full time channels, it's because the majority of RSNs do not provide any HD content outside of live games. NESN HD provies many hours of HD content daily. They provide every Boson Red Sox game in HD, and they do all of their in-studio shows in HD. That's why NESN HD will be full time on DirecTV, just as all the reports have been saying all this time.

That makes sense, but again, I can only go by what my source has told me. Still though, it's a fairly limited selection of hd programming other than the bruins and red sox.

I guess, my point was simply it's not an easy decision one way or the other to spend the effort and resources on getting a local rsn up or a national hd channel, even if that channel may not get the best ratings.
DirecTV has different groups to negotiate these deals. They are a large company with the resources and people to negotiate more than done deal at a time, and not have to settle for extremely prolonged negotiations like a small MSO would. They could work an HGTV HD deal and NESN HD deal at the same time.

I guess, my point was simply it's not an easy decision one way or the other to spend the effort and resources on getting a local rsn up or a national hd channel, even if that channel may not get the best ratings.Yes, we get it.

Spotbeaming is not the issue really, there is a lot of work involved in getting any channel going. It's a matter of if they want to spend the effort getting one rsn up or a national network.

And as I said, there is move involved in adding an mpeg 4 channel than just bandwith considerations.

DirecTV has different groups to negotiate these deals. They are a large company with the resources and people to negotiate more than done deal at a time, and not have to settle for extremely prolonged negotiations like a small MSO would. They could work an HGTV HD deal and NESN HD deal at the same time.

Of course, but these same people do more than just negotiate deals with channels. From what I know about the workings of the company, the personnel focused on just this is much less than what you might think. And many of the negotiations remain prolonged, as we have seen with getting all of the local hd networks up. Company resources can only get you so far when you still have to deal with other companies and reach agreements.

Yes, we get it.

Sorry I will try to not repeat myself, but I was responding to individual posts..

I've never seen so many definitive statements made based on so many unrelated obvious observations.

As far as sources go, I'd trust Ken's sources. He's got a track record. I have no idea who "TVBob" is, or if his source is the guy who installed his dish.

As far as sources go, I'd trust Ken's sources. He's got a track record.

Definately...Im looking forward to some possible info from Ken tomorrow...

Definately...Im looking forward to some possible info from Ken tomorrow...
Ditto.

Saw in an earlier post that someone mentioned that the Indians game tomorrow (Monday 7/3) will be the first STO game offered in HD for the Cleveland LIL's - however tomorrows game is on WKYC (also in HD). STO's first game after it being added in HD is Tuesday 7/4 (6:05).

Sorry about that. I forgot (and I wasn't alone) that WKYC did have a Monday night game this week. Nearly all of WKYC's Indians games are on weekends...

Is it me or did the 103 (net14) bird just kickin?

Is it me or did the 103 (net14) bird just kickin?

It's just you. :) Spaceway 2 has been active for months now.

Where does FSN Pittsburgh factor into this? I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread.

I'm in Atlanta and suddenly on channel 96 is the Atlanta/St. Louis game in HD! It is showing on Turner South tonight and earlier when I checked there was nothing scheduled on 96. I think it appeared in the middle of the game. This must be a regional sports net thing as I do not have Extra Innings. Just thought I'd pass this on...

Yes, its our RSN of TunerSouthHD!

That game is on ESPNHD also....

Very cool....am I correct that it came on mid-game? I'm sure I looked earlier (after the game had started) and there was nothing listed on any of the channels in the 90's. Hopefully going forward they'll show up in the schedule in advance.

That game is on ESPNHD also....

But it was blacked out on ESPN HD for those of us in Atlanta.....so now we can see it in HD like the rest of the country.

The game was not listed on my channel 96, but I am in the Fox Sports Midwest region. I think that is one of the few Fox Sports channels Direct TV has decided not to add to it's HD line up.

The game was also blacked out on ESPN HD here in St. Louis.

i gather they're putting up rsn;s that carry baseball in hd first? because fsn new england was not listed. last year tey showed all the celtics home games in hd, just hoping directv will carry this channel in hd so we can watch nba basketball in hd.(eventualy on nba league pass)

Has anyone gotten FSN Bay Area HD on D* yet? If so ima make an order for the H20 box and dish right away.

Right now, no, but maybe on Monday. I'll post here if I can.

Bottom line is that DirecTV is expanding local sports nets in HD, right now.

Anything new to report, Ken?

Has anyone gotten FSN Bay Area HD on D* yet? If so ima make an order for the H20 box and dish right away.
No, the RSNs being added appear to be Fox Sports affiliated RSNs only. FSNBA-HD is not a FSN property, it's a Rainbow Media(Cablevision Inc) property.

Has anyone gotten FSN Bay Area HD on D* yet? If so ima make an order for the H20 box and dish right away.


It's up and running but with audio problems. The A's are one with the tigers.

D

It's up and running but with audio problems. The A's are one with the tigers.

D
FSNBA-HD is on ch 96 right now? That'd be great news indeed.

It's up and running but with audio problems. The A's are one with the tigers.

D

yup, i have it as well, with no audio. what a great picture! at about 7:30, after a few minutes of watching, the rainbow operations screen came on regarding technical problems, and i figured that's that, they're on to us. but shortly thereafter the game is back on, albeit no audio. so i wonder if this is for real or not, cause i was led to believe those of us w/ d*tv weren't gonna get fox bay area in hd for a long time, if ever. but maybe rainbow realized there's money in exapanding their viewer base? one can only hope we get to see the gigantes in hd tomorrow.

are you guys that are getting RSN feeds on ch. 96 all using H20's? I figured I'd ask just incase there's any chance of us MPEG 2 people getting lucky here. :D

Very cool....am I correct that it came on mid-game? I'm sure I looked earlier (after the game had started) and there was nothing listed on any of the channels in the 90's. Hopefully going forward they'll show up in the schedule in advance.

I tuned to 96 at around 7:15 and the Braves game was on in the first inning, so I think they had it up from the start. At that time the channel guide said "Upcoming: Cardinals @ Braves". That changed at some point during the game to "Cardinals @ Braves". The guide does list the game tomorrow night at 7. The PQ of tonights game was excellent, equal to what I see on WTBS via. OTA.

are you guys that are getting RSN feeds on ch. 96 all using H20's? I figured I'd ask just incase there's any chance of us MPEG 2 people getting lucky here. :D

i am.

did anyone pick up the fsn southwest hd game sun. night. It was the astros and rangers.

FSNBA-HD is on ch 96 right now? That'd be great news indeed.

it's up, and it's great news. although i wish the audio was up, and i wish somebody could confirm that it's not a mistake.

are you guys that are getting RSN feeds on ch. 96 all using H20's? I figured I'd ask just incase there's any chance of us MPEG 2 people getting lucky here. :D

It's on my H20 only, no luck on the HR10-250.

FSNBA-HD is on ch 96 right now? That'd be great news indeed.

looks like the list is continuing to grow - that's great news!!!!

Also, what I see in the DirecTV.com program guide is a little interesting and I surely don't know what it means - they are showing channel 399 as having YES network - if you enter a NY zip code in the box (try 10021). Wonder if its HD (why else would they need to duplicate channel 622?).

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/epg/theGuide.jsp?d=188&h=20&tz=e&l=1&z=11570&c=13121&fl=_d&ct=Sports&x=9&y=8

The NYY are on 3 different stations - now that is FANTASTIC!

Actually I see it IS a HD channel (399) - I scrolled through the listings and it show HD for some programming. WOW!!!! :)

It's on my H20 only, no luck on the HR10-250.

does anyone in the bay area have any audio on ch. 96?

I used my own personal ZIP in Louisiana and I still get Channel 399, so maybe 399 is the brand new stand-alone YES-HD

It's on my H20 only, no luck on the HR10-250.
Your H10 or HR10-250 will not get this channel because its in MPEG4!!

Still no nesn.

can't anyone else with fsn bay area chime in here? anyone else get a's/tigers on ch 96 tonight in hd? and does anyone know if this is for real, or just a slipup?

can't anyone else with fsn bay area chime in here? anyone else get a's/tigers on ch 96 tonight in hd? and does anyone know if this is for real, or just a slipup?
I don't have an H20 so I can't verify for you, but at least two of you here have indicated you were getting the game. FSNBA was in the original post made by Brine but was not in the post made by Earl at DBSTalk so I had my doubts, but if you guys are actually seeing the game on 96, it looks like we're good to go.

Does channel 96 show up in the guide listing when using the link ScoBuck posted above? I put my zip in and it doesn't show a channel 96.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/epg/theGuide.jsp?d=185&h=12&tz=p&l=1&z=95404&fl=_d&ct=all&x=12&y=7
TV Listings

I don't have an H20 so I can't verify for you, but at least two of you here have indicated you were getting the game. FSNBA was in the original post made by Brine but was not in the post made by Earl at DBSTalk so I had my doubts, but if you guys are actually seeing the game on 96, it looks like we're good to go.

Does channel 96 show up in the guide listing when using the link ScoBuck posted above? I put my zip in and it doesn't show a channel 96.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/epg/theGuide.jsp?d=185&h=12&tz=p&l=1&z=95404&fl=_d&ct=all&x=12&y=7
TV Listings

no it doesn't show, and that's what concerns me. i do get 96 on my h20 guide, and yes, i got the game, but without audio tonight. i guess we'll see what happens tomorrow when the giants game is scheduled at 5. i'm hoping for the best, but i'm expecting the worst.

no it doesn't show, and that's what concerns me. i do get 96 on my h20 guide, and yes, i got the game, but without audio tonight. i guess we'll see what happens tomorrow when the giants game is scheduled at 5. i'm hoping for the best, but i'm expecting the worst.
I think you're going to be okay as DirecTV would not have the signal if they weren't supposed to have it, it's not like they can pull the signal off-air like they do with the local HD, there has to be a hardwire connection somewhere.

I think you're going to be okay as DirecTV would not have the signal if they weren't supposed to have it, it's not like they can pull the signal off-air like they do with the local HD, there has to be a hardwire connection somewhere.

interesting. i guess the fact that comcast seemingly had some kind of exclusive deal with fsn bay area hd makes me skeptical that all of a sudden d*tv gets it. i suppose rainbow media finally realized it was good business, but for some reason i doubt it. and again, the fact that there wasn't any audio adds to the mystery. i guess we'll see.

thanks for your input.

Anything new to report, Ken?Sorry, not at this time.

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Thanks Ken..... it makes for a dificult read when you have to wade through all the garbage to get to the info.

I, as most here do, appreciate your efforts.

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I just got off with D8 CSR and was told after a 4 minute wait that the Cubs games will be broadcast on Ch. 640 with no additional equipment (I have the H10-250)but not the White Sox . Now why the heck would they do one and not the other? I thought the agreement was with Comcast and not team specific. If anyone could shed some light on this it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Rick

I'm curious as to what your guides say channel 96 is. I'm in Atlanta, and if you push "guide" > "all channels" > 96 > then left arrow, it says the channel is "Atlanta FSNS RSN HD HDTV Channels, Sports Channels."

This indicates to me that this is city specific, and the folks outside of Atlanta are likely getting something else. For example when I go to channel 399, I get "channel not available."

As DirecTV has starting nailing its Sunday Ticket customers for $99 for the games to be seen in HD, I'm wondering how long it will be before they starting nailing its Extra Innings customers.

I'm curious as to what your guides say channel 96 is. I'm in Atlanta, and if you push "guide" > "all channels" > 96 > then left arrow, it says the channel is "Atlanta FSNS RSN HD HDTV Channels, Sports Channels."

This indicates to me that this is city specific, and the folks outside of Atlanta are likely getting something else. For example when I go to channel 399, I get "channel not available."

As DirecTV has starting nailing its Sunday Ticket customers for $99 for the games to be seen in HD, I'm wondering how long it will be before they starting nailing its Extra Innings customers.

Channel 96 is not in the guide in my area, north of Boston.

Where does FSN Pittsburgh factor into this? I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread.


I'd really appreciate an answer to this question.