ABC is showing Kyle XY Friday night. TitanTV lists it as HD; ABC's Web site does not. (This is the ABCFamily original series that debuted last week). Anyone have better information on whether it will be in HD? I've heard some decent things about it.

From the press bundle we media types get:

"Kyle XY" is broadcast in 720 Progressive (720P), ABC's selected HDTV format, with 5.1-channel surround sound. This program carries a TV-PG,D parental guideline."

I'd say that's a yes.

Doc

I stand corrected, DrDon!

I stand corrected, DrDon!Don't say that 'till Friday night <G>.

Enjoy the HD while it lasts.

I saw the pilot episode on ABC Family and have added it to my must watch list. Bummer that I'll have to start viewing it in SD after the fourth episode.

Pretty good family show about a sevant 16yr who appears out of nowhere and is taken care of by a social worker's family.

The usual good quality muted film look that ABC has on its HD series. Unfortunately it dropped out of HD for about 15mins, but then came back.

Seems like decent off season filler. Well worth a look.

Some have complained about sex scenes....it initially debuting on the (ABC) Family Channel and all. I liked the narration on the small bit I did see. BTW, the pilot episode of Kyle can be downloaded free from iTunes (not in HD, of course).

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On 7/7,Kyle XY will be shown on ABC again in HD @ 9:00pm

I saw the pilot episode on ABC Family and have added it to my must watch list. Bummer that I'll have to start viewing it in SD after the fourth episode.Ep2 is on tonight.

Can you please explain if you meant that after Ep4 it will be SD on ABC or not?

So far, ABC is only scheduled to air the first 4 of the 10 episodes. If the ratings are good enough, I would think that they will play the rest throughout the summer. I don't know why they wouldn't. I haven't watched it yet, but it's got to be better than most of the reality stuff on during the summer.

DaveFi, the SD I was referring to was having to switch back SD only ABC Family channel showing in order to view the remaining episodes 5 through 10.

Ah OK. I will state from my first viewing of EP1 that it is a pretty good show and hopefully will remain so.

As far as to Summer filler, ABC could do a whole lot worse.

This surprising show has great HD PQ, characters you can actually care about, and an intriguing mystery surrounding who or what Kyle actually is. It is on ABC. It is doomed.

This surprising show has great HD PQ, characters you can actually care about, and an intriguing mystery surrounding who or what Kyle actually is. It is on ABC. It is doomed.

Probably. But ABC hasn't managed to cancel Lost yet, so maybe there is still hope. ;)

- Tom

It is on ABC. It is doomed.Maybe not, being that it seems to be gathering a following on ABC Family.

DaveFi, the SD I was referring to was having to switch back SD only ABC Family channel showing in order to view the remaining episodes 5 through 10.

So episodes 5-10 won't be on ABC? Why would they build a viewership on the network and then screw anybody that doessn't get ABC Family? I liked it and so did my kids.

Why would they build a viewership on the network and then screw anybody that doessn't get ABC Family?What Rocky said was, "If the ratings are good enough, I would think that they will play the rest throughout the summer. I don't know why they wouldn't."

Regardless, even if they do stop the broadcasts on ABC, I wouldn't use the word "screw" -- it is unquestionably not their intent, and "screwing" requires intent. Rather, building an audience for a show is a great idea, and if showing folks that ABC Family offers excellent quality programming that they can enjoy, and that prompts any number of families to finally subscribe to basic cable to get ABC Family, then it is a big win for ABC.

Those of us with cable, satellite, Tivo and/or DVRs sometimes forget that there is a large population of people whose only option, for a variety of reasons, is OTA.

Getting someone interested in a show that may only have a run on a non-OTA station could be considered unkind by some.

What Rocky said was, "If the ratings are good enough, I would think that they will play the rest throughout the summer. I don't know why they wouldn't."

Regardless, even if they do stop the broadcasts on ABC, I wouldn't use the word "screw" -- it is unquestionably not their intent, and "screwing" requires intent. Rather, building an audience for a show is a great idea, and if showing folks that ABC Family offers excellent quality programming that they can enjoy, and that prompts any number of families to finally subscribe to basic cable to get ABC Family, then it is a big win for ABC.

You sound like you work for ABC. It's actually a double screw job:

1. Anybody w/o ABC Fam that likes the show is left in the lurch.
2. I don't believe there is such a thing as ABC Fam HD. so even if you have access to the cable channel, you're stuck with SD.

Getting someone interested in a show that may only have a run on a non-OTA station could be considered unkind by some.I suppose all advertising works that way: Netflix offers a free trial. Is it "unkind" of them to do so, given that it might tend to get people interested in a service that they'd have to pay extra for later on? Of course not. :cool:

You sound like you work for ABC. It's actually a double screw job:

1. Anybody w/o ABC Fam that likes the show is left in the lurch.
2. I don't believe there is such a thing as ABC Fam HD. so even if you have access to the cable channel, you're stuck with SD.

1. Almost every cable/sat system has ABC family. It is the 20th most widely distributed channel with 88.7 million subscribers. (Discovery, the most widely distributed cable channel has 90.3 million subscribers.) http://ncta.com/ContentView.aspx?contentId=74

2. This is true for many other original cable shows. (Stargate, The Shield, etc.)

You sound like you work for ABC.It's funny. Whenever I make a point that people disagree with, but don't have a good idea about how to refute my point, they try to guess who I work for. As I've said several times before, I don't now nor have I ever worked for a company that produced or distributed television programming.

No one is owned anything. If you really want the show to continue on ABC, then keep watching, and get others to watch. If the show gets popular, you know they'll feature the show on the flagship network. If you're among the few people who end up liking the show, then it'll be just like any other case where a show isn't popular.

It should be noted this isn't the first time a show has been re-purposed in order to build interest in a show. There were flagship network showings of Monk and Battlestar Gallatica, and probably a few more that I don't recall.

That's actually a good point. And of course, Battlestar Gallactica was indeed broadcast on NBC, in HD, and then folks who got interested in the show were able to subscribe to cable if they wished, and watched the program on Sci-Fi, in SD.

It's funny. Whenever I make a point that people disagree with, but don't have a good idea about how to refute my point, they try to guess who I work for. As I've said several times before, I don't now nor have I ever worked for a company that produced or distributed television programming.

No one is owned anything. If you really want the show to continue on ABC, then keep watching, and get others to watch. If the show gets popular, you know they'll feature the show on the flagship network. If you're among the few people who end up liking the show, then it'll be just like any other case where a show isn't popular.

I've never read one of your illustrious posts before and couldn't care less about who you work for, but I can tell from your reponse that you consider yourself a very important person.

IMO it's sleazy for a network to start a show on a channel available to anyone for free and then switch it to pay TV after five episodes, whatever their motive. It's kind of like the old bait and switch routine. I get OTA HD and E*'s silver package, so it doesn't affect me (except for the HD part) but I still think its sleazy, especially for a family oriented show. BTW, niether you nor I can "refute" an opinion, but we can agree to disagree.

As more people spend their time watching cable and sat the relative power of OTA affiliates decline. Meanwhile, the same companies own both the majority of national OTA networks and cable channels. I'd expect them to continue migrating prime content onto premium cable & sat channels while using OTA for promotions of those same shows.

This process works especially well during summer rerun season when there isn't much else on OTA to compete with it. However they would likely get away with it a bit more if the cable channels were HD.

- Tom

I've never read one of your illustrious posts before and couldn't care less about who you work for, but I can tell from your reponse that you consider yourself a very important person. Then you're really not paying attention to what I'm writing. My message is consistent: Individuals aren't important in this regard. Not you. Not me.

As Garrett pointed out, what ABC is doing isn't new. NBC did it with Battlestar Gallactica, and that obviously worked out very well for NBC.

As more people spend their time watching cable and sat the relative power of OTA affiliates decline. Meanwhile, the same companies own both the majority of national OTA networks and cable channels. I'd expect them to continue migrating prime content onto premium cable & sat channels while using OTA for promotions of those same shows.

This process works especially well during summer rerun season when there isn't much else on OTA to compete with it. However they would likely get away with it a bit more if the cable channels were HD.

- TomAnother method now being tried (at least on Comcast) is showing reruns of recent episodes OnDemand. They are currently running CSI SD for $.99, and HD for $1.49. Makes little sense to me because you can just PVR it, but I suppose if you must watch it, this is as good a way as any.

I'm a little confused by that actually... do they really get a lot of folks paying to watch something a day after they broadcast it for free? Seems to me that that's backwards -- shouldn't they charge extra for seeing it early?

If Kyle stays on ABC in HD I'll continue to watch it. There's nearly enough programming in HD, for the amount of hours I can watch TV, that I don't need to settle for SD.

Ah OK. I will state from my first viewing of EP1 that it is a pretty good show and hopefully will remain so.Agreed. But since I like a little doom in my sci-fi, the tone of the show could use a little darkening, IMO.

Agreed. But since I like a little doom in my sci-fi, the tone of the show could use a little darkening, IMO.Kyle is involved in a murder investigation. Dark enough for you?;)

And who is that murderer that is lurking around him????

Kyle's OK, as are his Dad and Mom.

But I couldn't give a rat's ass about the two kids and their problems. At least John Doe was mostly about "boring" grown-ups.

I assume my impatience will simply be written off by the suits as by my not being the target market.

And who is that murderer that is lurking around him????Why Alex Krycheck, of course. :)

Indeed. Being stalked by Alex Krycheck would scare me silly.

Another method now being tried (at least on Comcast) is showing reruns of recent episodes OnDemand. They are currently running CSI SD for $.99, and HD for $1.49. Makes little sense to me because you can just PVR it, but I suppose if you must watch it, this is as good a way as any.
Actually, being on D*, I have had a few occasions where I wish I could view a show via OnDemand. There have been several series that I never started to watch on the OTA networks simply because I forgot to program my DVR to record them and ended up missing at least the pilots. "The Unit", "House" and "The West Wing" would be three shows that immediately come to mind as shows I never started to watch after missing them in the beginning.

Indeed. Being stalked by Alex Krycheck would scare me silly.
Especially if he's still infected with the black oil..... :eek:

So far, at least The Unit and House seem to be pretty much stand-alone episodes: No need to worry if you haven't seen the earlier episodes.

Still a consistantly good show any word on if it will stop after this next episode or finish them out?

Still a consistantly good show any word on if it will stop after this next episode or finish them out?The promo at the end of the show said it would be on ABC next week so it seems like it will be on for a while.

ABC has extended Friday HD encores for an additional two weeks (7/28 and 8/4).

This week's episode was excellent. I'll be really sorry to see this show go from ABC-HD.

After next week, 6 out of the 10 episodes will have been shown in HD. It's not like ABC has anything better to show this summer.

Maybe we could get a petition going?

I thought the mindless teenage-sex (on last week's ep) was a bit much :eek:. Kids under 13 should not watch Kyle alone, IMO. Young adults being horribly irresponsible could kill an otherwise good program.

This week's episode was excellent. I'll be really sorry to see this show go from ABC-HD.

After next week, 6 out of the 10 episodes will have been shown in HD. It's not like ABC has anything better to show this summer.


Just watched it for the first time last nite (OTA ABC-HD in Tampa, via HDTiVo); and agree with your assesment. I won't watch it on SD, regardless of channel. There's hardly any programming that's good enough for that to me.

I thought the mindless teenage-sex (on last week's ep) was a bit much :eek:. Kids under 13 should not watch Kyle alone, IMO. Young adults being horribly irresponsible could kill an otherwise good program.

LOL ... I was wondering how long it would take for someone to complain. How dare they portray real teenager behaviour ... the nerve! :D ... and on ABC "family" of all channels :rolleyes:

Who said teens don't have sex? My concern is they hopped into the bushes for a quickie with no appearent fear of consequences; (condom use wasn't even mentioned) this is Disney TV afterall. It's an otherwise good program, that issue aside....but it's no laughing matter. :rolleyes:

My concern is they hopped into the bushes for a quickie with no appearent fear of consequences; (condom use wasn't even mentioned) this is Disney TV afterall.

Eh .. perhaps you weren't watching closely. There was an earlier scene where the "daughter" was nearly caught by "mom" as she was retrieving the "unmentionable item" from her drawer and placing it in her purse "just in case."

And then in the follow-up episode the young hussy gets treated as such by her own friends. Consequences are being displayed.

Are you saying that they don't reflect really family behaviors? Or, that they should not? I am not clear on your point unless it is that you feel this is not an appropriate venue for reflecting reality.

Big round of applause to Disney/ABC for trying to show kids behaving as kids (and played by kids, not twenty/thirty year olds). The frankness of the show actually surprises me. The parents are considerate, and caring, yet allowing their kids to discover the world too.

One thing that really mystified me, was the part where Kyle's "geek" friend lead him to the library (specifically to encyclopedias) to find information. For one thing, hardcover encyclopedias don't exist anymore. Secondly, since Kyle has an affinity with math/computers, you'd have thought he'd have been all over the net by this point. At least his friend should have sat him down in front of a computer rather than books.

So the writers for this show must be in their late thirties at least, being that hardcopy encyclopedias have been out of favor for quite a while now...

So the writers for this show must be in their late thirties at least, being that hardcopy encyclopedias have been out of favor for quite a while now...

Argh! Busted! :D

Perhaps the school system lacks funding and the hard copies are relics from the 70's and 80's ... or perhaps the writers felt that showing the big pile of books was more dramatic. ;) Yeah that's the ticket. :)

Funny, my public library still has World Book and Britannica in hard copy. The whole world is not yet computerized.

Funny, my public library still has World Book and Britannica in hard copy. The whole world is not yet computerized.Yeah, they're around, but most have them on CD/DVD-Rom, appended with web updates. The hardcopies tend to take up too much valuable shelf space.

At any rate the first thing his "geek" friend would have done would have set his friend down in front of a PC with Wikipedia or something. I know that's what I would do.

I'm glad he didn't sit him down in front of Wikipedia. When you go to their main page, it states: the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

How much misinformation does Kyle need?

Kyle's OK, as are his Dad and Mom.

But I couldn't give a rat's ass about the two kids and their problems. At least John Doe was mostly about "boring" grown-ups.

I assume my impatience will simply be written off by the suits as by my not being the target market.

Hmm, Kyle's Ok, as are the Kids.

I the parent annoy me. For me they're just too, caring, Oh, he messed up my day and came on to my wife, but, we had a learning experience. Maybe not that bad "let's spend time."

The voiceovers can be a little much, but they do give a bit more warning before Kyle does his thing.

Maybe I like how Kyle gets to observe all aspects of a family and how they interact, and take sides.

And, not sure about Krycheck yet. He certainly is dangerous, but, it seems like he's more of an observer of Kyle, somewhat benevolent towards him. Maybe even trying to protect him--note he treated the parents well, though certainly deceiving them.

I like that they're a mystery, and we, the audience is seeing it from both sides.

Yeah, they're around, but most have them on CD/DVD-Rom, appended with web updates. The hardcopies tend to take up too much valuable shelf space.

At any rate the first thing his "geek" friend would have done would have set his friend down in front of a PC with Wikipedia or something. I know that's what I would do.

Granted, at a well funded suburban high school like we see, they may have the latest and greatest, but, remember how Kyle was a bit mystified by the computer when he first got on. And, visually it's much better to have him reading--and probably best to have his info intake somewhat moderated.

Futon Critic is indicating that Kyle XY will continue on ABC (HD) through the first of September.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch.aspx?id=kyle_xy&view=listings

Thunderstruck at the generally positive appraisals of this one -- I find it cringe-inducing and poorly executed in the EXTREME. If you are to introduce a character that has apparent amnesia but extraordinary abilities, you MUST, MUST be very clever and attendant to detail and consistency to avoid looking inept and foolish in your presentation -- this series is the very definition of inept and foolish.

One moment Kyle will display perfect civility, the next utter some Tourettes-mimicing contemporary verbal flourish which we know he would understand is inappropriate. That kind of stuff really galls me and really is just so tired and hackneyed as to boggle the mind -- didactic enlightenment of our quaint ways shed through the fresh perceptions of the innocent -- barf-inciting dreck that has been done ten times better ad infinitum.

Example: Kyle meets Principal and slaps his palm and follows with a knuckle-to-knuckle backhand, in the manner of some cool dudes he has just seen in the hallway -- later when we are not calling for such a heavy-handed statement, he extends his hand with perfect conventional civility to meet someone else. He is baffled that everyone responds to a bell and knows where to go -- it is inconceivable he would not comprehend this perfectly -- or at VERY VERY LEAST, had it explained to him before being taken to his first day (which is OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY ill-advised, in any event) -- he knows he is there to learn as he states at some later point, but we are subjected to some pathetic pointed cliche about his being left alone when everyone goes to their designated class, when we know he would expect this -- being left alone, come to mention it, to take entrance exams -- of course, he never would be left unsupervised with presumably very well-guarded entry placement tests, let alone that he could cheat as well as steal the tests -- yuck!

We see him show the initiative and enterprise to soak up massive amounts of info from World Books, which demonstrates prodigious memory, but that same memory and that wondrous attendant deductive ability is so so faulty on other matters. Just little details like the pile of books being arrayed in front of him left open at halfway points and heaped on top of one another, reveal the lack of thought operative here -- if he were efficiently knocking back these volumes one by one, they would either all be open toward their last page, or more likely, shut and stacked, but instead we get the look of someone doing specific research, with the volumes cracked open to relevant passages. We know he did not miss a single question, so he presumably read everything the volumes contained (and it was all the right stuff to read). And of course that extraordinary reasoning ability later just seems to completely evaporate in the maddeningly naive and insipid narration.

Don't get me started on that Good Will Hunting solution and the teacher bursting in on a private conference and basically telling to the Principal to shut up, that what he is asking is important -- that whole hurtling toward the hurry-up abbreviated end was appalling -- the Principal just caving to Kyle's admission while all the characters stand around beaming -- YUCK YUCK YUCK!

The fact that you guys seem to like this (and the fact that I have watched it myself), really only reveals to me how starved we are for good entertainment in this reality summer, as well I suppose, how famished we are for good HD no matter what the vehicle.

We are all at the same level with regard to the ability to change the channel when we don't like something being aired. It is that simple, watch it and make your decision. I, personally, watch a program for it's entertainment value. Yes, there are many holes in Kyle, but I find that amusing. Your mileage may vary.

Changing the channel often does not seem to work in summer rerun season for some reason. But I've heard it's also possible to just turn the darn thing off when it gets too bad, and maybe go download something. ;)

Anyway, I like this show. I'll be sad when it goes to SD-only on some channel I don't think I get.

- Tom

If a prior post is correct, Kyle will stay on for its entire 10 episode season. We've had 5 so far and there are 5 left, all on ABC-HD on Fridays through Sept 1.

Kyle's OK, as are his Dad and Mom.

But I couldn't give a rat's ass about the two kids and their problems. At least John Doe was mostly about "boring" grown-ups.


Funny you should mention that. I watched 15 minutes of the show this week with the math problem on the blackboard, and my response was "Hmmm. Good Will Hunting meets John Doe". Then I promptly flipped the channel in search of something more original.

Just little details like the pile of books being arrayed in front of him left open at halfway points and heaped on top of one another, reveal the lack of thought operative here -- if he were efficiently knocking back these volumes one by one, they would either all be open toward their last page, or more likely, shut and stacked, but instead we get the look of someone doing specific research, with the volumes cracked open to relevant passages.
I have to take issue with this part. How often have you looked up an entry in an encyclopedia that contained references to other items in other volumes? For example, an entry on the Tsetse fly might say "see also - Sleeping Sickness" or "see also Nagana", both of which would appear in other volumes. If you were learning this stuff for the first time, wouldn't you check out some of those "see also's"?

Funny you should mention that. I watched 15 minutes of the show this week with the math problem on the blackboard, and my response was "Hmmm. Good Will Hunting meets John Doe". Then I promptly flipped the channel in search of something more original.
So how was Survivor meets Star Search - AKA, American Idol...?

We are all at the same level with regard to the ability to change the channel when we don't like something being aired. It is that simple, watch it and make your decision. I, personally, watch a program for it's entertainment value. Yes, there are many holes in Kyle, but I find that amusing. Your mileage may vary.
Right with you there on watching for entertainment value -- a possible difference may be that (and here I count myself most fortunate), I might quite easily derive entertainment value from relative awfulness as well as transcendant excellence and all gradations in-between.

In fact, often enough, fare such as West Wing might pose an attentiveness/alertness challenge which exceeds the parameters of a given condition of fatigue and/or mental acumen which I might bring to the table, and in such a case a Kyle XY may do nicely. Also, I would count myself a big proponent of the theory that one might as easily glean superlative production skills from watching dreck versus the sublime -- both have the ability to impart knowledge, possibly in equal measure, so the fact that a given production may be lacking in certain areas -- perhaps most -- would not be grounds for a ban from my screen -- on the contrary, I have reviewed films which I more or less mercilessly excoriated for inanity and concluded by giving my highest recommendation.

Lastly to this point, I might pose this: I do hope no one thinks that even disliking something bars one from commenting on it -- I will patiently sit out many things that I am less than enamored of, simply to be able to say I saw it, feel I have a handle on what it had to offer, and now here is my appraisal for what it is worth. How might I ever expect to be given better if I don't speak up and reveal the way in which I found it deficient? If I have sufficient time or inclination, I'm sure I quite enjoy detailing exactly what might have triggered my BS meters -- Kyle XY has had them on full alert, which brings us to:


NETWORKTV commented:

"I have to take issue with this part. How often have you looked up an entry in an encyclopedia that contained references to other items in other volumes? For example, an entry on the Tsetse fly might say 'see also - Sleeping Sickness' or 'see also Nagana', both of which would appear in other volumes. If you were learning this stuff for the first time, wouldn't you check out some of those 'see also's'?"

This was precisely my point -- the books were arrayed as if someone were doing specific research on a given topic -- not mass-crunching data in the page-turning fashion depicted even as they showed the books arrayed that way. Also, we are to assume that Kyle read, and was intending to read from the start, all the volumes and had perfect recall of every passage, therefore there was no need to bounce around between volumes for cross-reference -- he was going to get to everything in that one session anyway.

It is a minor point of course, and obviously I know one reason to depict it this way was for the visual appeal of a panoply of texts fanned out on the table -- same contributing reason they did not have him consulting the internet -- no visual appeal -- yet in this instance, combined with the other elements that had my BS meters pegging, it seemed ill advised, because it detracted from telling the story, showed he was not actually just efficiently absorbing page after page (which he continued to mime even as the books were piling up that way), and seemed to reveal the same sloppiness and mediocrity inherent to every episode I've seen.

And with that, I would hope they can make it better -- or not, I may give it up at a point, but I'll probably keep watching for now -- it is summer after all, and this show features some of the best new HD out there.

I'm pretty good a ignoring little illogical things that would distract from the story, at least if they aren't too extreme. And I assumed the story needed to be able to show the big pile of books at the end, just to show his progress.

But what bothered me for some reason was that at the speed they showed Kyle turning pages it didn't seem he could have turned all those pages in the alloted time. I'm not sure why it annoyed me.

But it didn't really detract from the story much. ;)

- Tom

But what bothered me for some reason was that at the speed they showed Kyle turning pages it didn't seem he could have turned all those pages in the alloted time. I'm not sure why it annoyed me.

But it didn't really detract from the story much. ;)

- Tom
Got to say that irked me as well -- I'm always sensitive too of things such as the eyes drifting or pretending to scan a page, proceeding to the next, then glancing back at the opposite side page which was presumably already read -- this indicates fake reading, which I've caught people doing in real-life and which Kyle did there. I questioned whether even turning pages as quickly as one could, if he could have even gotten to the end (without reading), in the admittedly unspecified, but seeming to be relatively short time span.

I picked on that visual because it represented what is fundamentally amiss with this series -- inconsistency. In that case, the inconsistancy of the visual with the narrative, but the inconsistancy which kept slapping me in the forehead was Kyle's total naivety at one moment or in one instance, yet then in a very analogous situation, perfect intuition and/or deduction -- this speaks of lazy, poor, slipshod, careless production line fabrication from writing to execution.

The way I look at it is that these people are paid to exhibit something on THE WORLD STAGE -- would you not demand that it be well-crafted before airing, if this were your professional work product?

I'm the type of person who labors to make sure my postage stamps are on straight and if I mis-stroke a letter of the address, I scrap the envelope -- no one even looks at that kind of work product except to direct it, much less knows who I am -- it is just a reflection of my pride in craftmanship even in the most minor of matters -- some might say it is obsessive or AR, but here in the arena of internationally televised drama, one might expect greater attention to the mission at hand -- that mission being drama and any drama evolves out of viewer investment in the story -- if what we are being shown defies logic or constantly takes us out of the story and reminds us of the writer's failings, it is more than likely going to amount to a case of drama interruptus and/or short-lived series and there is certainly relatively less point in that than in doing it well.....yes?

in the admittedly unspecified, but seeming to be relatively short time span.

Actually we know that from the time of starting to finishing the test it was supposedly 5 hours. All the other events including the wandering, reading, fighting, and testing took place in that interval.

- Tom

So how was Survivor meets Star Search - AKA, American Idol...?

I couldn't tell you. I've never seen a single episode of American Idol.

I have to take issue with this part. How often have you looked up an entry in an encyclopedia that contained references to other items in other volumes? For example, an entry on the Tsetse fly might say "see also - Sleeping Sickness" or "see also Nagana", both of which would appear in other volumes. If you were learning this stuff for the first time, wouldn't you check out some of those "see also's"?


So how was Survivor meets Star Search - AKA, American Idol...?


Right on man!

And then in the follow-up episode the young hussy gets treated as such by her own friends. Consequences are being displayed.


AHHH arent they grewing too fast :rolleyes: to bad they cant be robots instead of teenagers :D

-- same contributing reason they did not have him consulting the internet -- no visual appeal -- yet in this instance, combined with the other elements that had my BS


Matter of fact, i'd rather that he use the internet. That's more realistic of teenage use today... Visual appeal or no appeal , directors are creative they could figure out how to make the internet work... I think high school theater depts use the encyclopedias as apple boxes come to think of it... :)

Sure the internet could have been made to work visually -- overwhelming floodwaters of data and information have appeared in films such as Beautiful Mind as swirling overlays of print and numerals, etc., but there are budgetary constraints operative here which I would not begrudge the producers. My point was that you must make your visuals conform to your story -- directorial decisions must arise from the imperative to advance the story (within the constraints of the budget), not impede it by shortcutting with something that does not fit, let alone something which actually tells a different story than the one you are trying to advance.

My guess is that if they had shown him using the internet it would have been 10 times more unrealistic than showing him use the encyclopedias. There would have been:

- lots and lots of keyboard strokes, even though reading lots of information would really just take a tiny bit of typing and lots and lots of clicking and scrolling.
- a fully 3D, animated "internet" that's unlike anything anyone has ever used to do research, ever (except in any other movie or TV show where someone uses a computer)
- lots of flashing colors, beeps, boops and swooshes as the aformentioned "internet" delivered its information

It's an absolutely great show. I haven't seen it once on ABC HD yet as I always catch it Monday on ABC Family. I just wish they had an ABC Family HD and a SCIFI HD. Then I'd be set.

Just watched the "Blame it on the Rain" episode and chuckled a bit because when Kyle noticed that the photo in newspaper of the missing professor was the mystery guy in his dream, they held the paper up to the camera.

In HD, you could read the text -- it was four paragraphs of text repeated over and over and over until if filled a half-page "above the fold" article.

At least it wasn't "Loren ipsum" ... :)

I can think of a number of shows where the text of the article would not only have been a complete article, it would have been critical to the plot, even if it was onscreen for only a second.

Posted on the Hot Off The Press sticky:

Cable TV Notebook
ABC Family high on 'Kyle'
Net okays second season for sci-fier
By Denise Martin Variety.com

ABC Family has given an early thumbs up to a second season of "Kyle XY."

Cabler has renewed the series, greenlighting at least 13 episodes from Touchstone Television and Benderspink. One-hour stars Matt Dallas as a mysterious teen who is naive to the world around him.

"Kyle" has overachieved for both ABC Family and ABC. Latter had initially agreed to a promotional four-episode run and later opted to run the entire 10-episode season (Daily Variety, Aug. 1). Agreement marks one of the only times a broadcaster has repurposed an entire season of a cable show; ABC signed up for a second window to USA Network's "Monk" in 2002.

Six episodes into the first season, "Kyle" ranks as ABC Family's most-watched original series among overall viewers (2.1 million), adults 18-34 (336,000) and adults 18-49 (793,000).

Meanwhile on ABC, drama has been finishing first in its time period in the key 18-49 demo. Alphabet's Friday repeats have drawn an average of 4.6 million overall viewers (1.8 million in 18-49), up 17% from the time period average a year ago.

A rep for ABC Family said there has been no decision regarding continued repurposing on ABC for "Kyle's" second season.

... "screwing" requires intent. ...
I thought this was wrong at first ("inadvertently screw" got 305,000 Google hits), but I've come to think it's right. Only very seldom is "screw" used with a personal object together with an adverb such as "accidentally" which denies intent. (Please excuse the tangent.)

Does anyone know if they decided to re-air the show on ABC because of feedback from HD viewers or OTA-only viewers or both?

I'm going to guess the OTA folks. There are a whole bunch more of them then us.

Have to say there was alot less to object to in this week's episode than in previous outings. Sure there were still a few remnant clunker, forehead-slappers like the "insight" about the birthday celebration being in fact a celebration of just another year closer to death. Of course this is offered up as another in the assortment of "innocent lends ironic insight by fresh viewing" moments which generally fall flat. And of course this does not really represent fresh insight -- it is a cliche, of course -- but the far worse aspect of it is that it does not strike me as the type of thing a true blank slate would conjur up -- he would likely take the celebration at face value -- it a celebration of the corresponding date of one's birth in subsequent years -- no, it is not a celebration of being closer to death, aging or any other thing per se -- these are things which may be true of aging, but they are not being celebrated by the birthday party -- that is not what it is for. Besides the "insight" gains its irony from the baggage WE associate with death and aging, not what a true innocent likely would, so for me it just did not ring true.

And then there was the glaring continuity error of Dad proclaiming (about the mystery person lurking at the window) that we don't have a stalker/burgler, just a scared teen afraid to admit what he had done to his Dad -- as viewers, we had this info, but Dad made the pronouncement before daughter and boyfriend even came downstairs, let alone told him anything. That was sloppy.

Also admit to being irritated by the angle and focus changing on the secreted security cameras, which are presumably fixed, as in getting a close-up of boyfriend coming through window. So to get another angle of the same scene, we need to change over to camera two -- oh, now there are two or more in one room alone! It was hard enough to believe that our mystery operative had an hour or so to install just the ones they intitially showed working, let alone an untold number. Remember, the alarm would have to have been turned off, showing the family to be home, then activated just before the operative broke the window, to register a break-in and thereby ensure that the security company corroborated he had a reason to be there, but if the family had been there (alarm off), how come they were just coming home when the alarm suddenly went off? Anyway, just more inexplicable stuff, which can build up at a tipping point.

I will say too that I am no fan of weather prediction to the minute -- so many pitfalls to this -- even the services which constantly monitor this fail to get it right, let alone Kyle whose info has got to be hours old and/or incomplete. I was pleasantly surprised when they showed him getting it wrong, but then they followed with the miracle of the lightning presaging which involved smelling ozone of all things. We know he read about ozone and probably the meaning of its presence during a thunderstorm, but when did he ever associate the information with the smell? Just more leftover tidbits.

We saw that he now knows the definition of every word, as in "wallowing" -- it will be interesting to note if they ever show a naive misinterpretation involving words again.

Anyway, all the nitpicks are meant to demonstrate that to make something like this work really well, you have to be very attentive to the things you set up, otherwise the audience, even without knowing how or why, just does not believe it ultimately, and that is what can happen early on to me. I will say though that the show is not deplorably bad or embarassing on every level -- I do like the fantastic possible alien angle, and the mystery element plays fairly well. In fact, there are alot of things out there that do not even approach this level of credible.

Geez Em, do you actually have time to watch the show, or are you just keeping a list of errors?

If you don't like the show, change the damn channel!:rolleyes:

Geez Em, do you actually have time to watch the show, or are you just keeping a list of errors?

If you don't like the show, change the damn channel!:rolleyes:

You know, thank you for that comment. That is something that was puzzling me. I respect anyone's right to critique a show, and yes there are some plot holes you could drive a truck through in Kyle XY, but I have wondered why anyone would continue to watch a show s/he dislikes only to write lengthy posts of everything that is wrong. Still, that's what makes a forum like this so fascinating.

Personally, I'm not getting into the credibility issues. For some reason, Kyle XY has hooked me. Maybe it is the characters, or the situations, or the mystery, but it just seems to work for me...and as Fredfa has posted...apparently enough other people to have it renewed for a second season.

Geez Em, do you actually have time to watch the show, or are you just keeping a list of errors?

If you don't like the show, change the damn channel!:rolleyes:
Here is how watching this show washes over me: it is not so action packed or intricately complex that my mind can scarcely keep pace with the plot, nor is it in some other significant way so singularly engaging that I am limited to struggling to gain a sense of it and/or just "watching" it to the exclusion of other thought.

We are to believe that here is a very very very extraordinary fellow who suddenly appears but has apparent amnesia -- I guess that were I to have thought of it, I would've realized this was going to be a pretty difficult thing to pull off, but instead I just watched in the early going with a fair sense of anticipation.

Then came the silliness -- Kyle witnesses some would-be gangster types tossing slang, then applies that to polite dinner conversation when his mind is supposed to be beyond genius at deciphering infinite complexities and subtleties. He is trying to fit in, but makes some rather gross errors of social judgment which are precisely counter to his purpose. Something here does not strike me as sound character development, so my attention has been drawn away from the story and into the silliness. In something well done, I find I'm not so prone to this kind of diversion, but.....

The silliness continues to pile on and I continue to think about it a little -- how is it that our mystery security man has all that time to plant an extremely sophisticated surveilance system in the house? -- alarm must be off, but then when the family comes back home, he breaks a window which the family hears and rushes toward -- wait a minute, security guy is working with the alarm off, but has to turn it on so that a break-in is registered at the exact time the family is coming home, but they would immediately turn off the alarm themselves when they stepped inside, so how does the security company know that their NEW employee was there ACTUALLY INSIDE THE FAMILY HOUSE for a valid cause?

Well, Dad calls the security company very suspicious, but they do not report to him that the alarm had been off for an hour or hours just before a breach -- was the alarm on and registering a break-in for all that time? -- don't these companies call the house or their employee or the police in that situation? -- and when they do that, isn't the alarm situation addressed, so that security guy's time is limited to mere minutes?

Stuff such as this simply crosses my mind as I'm watching, it is not an either watch OR catalogue flaws situation -- these processes are quite concurrent, which is really the heart of the problem here -- suddenly the viewer is thinking more about how these things happen than the writer has -- at least I do.

I chose to comment on this series, so wanted to be specific and think I have been. I have watched what they are offering up and have found enough entertainment value to continue watching and enough that needs work to deliver a perspective on what could be improved -- to some this would appear as if I should change the channel -- I really don't quite get that.

I love this medium of entertainment -- good, bad, and/or ugly. I likely get as much entertainment from the inane and poorly done as I do the sublime, and certainly am entertained by analyzing why a given thing did not work for me as well as why it may have. I do not find Kyle boring, which WOULD be the kiss of death, but it is certainly small challenge to determine, at least for me, how it might be improved -- in fact, for those participating in this forum, that is a whole realm of entertainment in itself, so without being the least bit ironic, it might be easily said that Kyle has provided me some of the best televised entertainment of my summer thus far, even while being a somewhat marginal and mediocre series -- don't really know how to make it any more clear than that.

You know, thank you for that comment. That is something that was puzzling me. I respect anyone's right to critique a show, and yes there are some plot holes you could drive a truck through in Kyle XY, but I have wondered why anyone would continue to watch a show s/he dislikes only to write lengthy posts of everything that is wrong. Still, that's what makes a forum like this so fascinating.

Personally, I'm not getting into the credibility issues. For some reason, Kyle XY has hooked me. Maybe it is the characters, or the situations, or the mystery, but it just seems to work for me...and as Fredfa has posted...apparently enough other people to have it renewed for a second season.
I perfectly respect and do find it interesting that some may not be getting drawn into credibility issues, so thank you for that perspective. Perhaps this IS why the series seems to be doing well -- for my part, I would say it is serving my purposes perfectly well enough, even while I AM drawn into those issues.

So maybe we are talking about thresholds of toleration for silly/less credible elements and perhaps there is a different tipping point for each of us in an ultimate sign-off from watching -- I hope I have made it clear that Kyle is not absurd in the same degree as, say, another ABC series, HOPE AND FAITH, which did certainly surpass my toleration of inanity -- I think my only reference to that ever has been as a benchmark of "so silly as to preclude entertainment value."

Emaych must have absolutely hated the original Star Trek....... I wonder if he wrote treatises on that program as well. Or maybe, like Hitchcock, he gets off on his command of the English language.

Emaych must have absolutely hated the original Star Trek....... I wonder if he wrote treatises on that program as well. Or maybe, like Hitchcock, he gets off on his command of the English language.
So to read a little into your post, may we assume that you think there may have been some possibly silly elements to the original STAR TREK as well? -- presumably to such extent that those elements may have called attention to themselves and thereby merited critical commentary? And if you do recognize and/or acknowledge that there was something to criticize there (and even seem to be putting this premise forth as something of a widely accepted given), would there then be something not quite proper about having rendered such analysis at that time and by extension, in this present case of Kyle?

Sorry if I've misinterpreted here, but you seem to be suggesting that pointing out flaws, even possibly obvious ones that may become the defining perception of a given offering, is improper, not to mention that "command of the English language" might be not such a worthy aspiration either?

I perfectly respect and do find it interesting that some may not be getting drawn into credibility issues, so thank you for that perspective. Perhaps this IS why the series seems to be doing well -- for my part, I would say it is serving my purposes perfectly well enough, even while I AM drawn into those issues.

So maybe we are talking about thresholds of toleration for silly/less credible elements and perhaps there is a different tipping point for each of us in an ultimate sign-off from watching -- I hope I have made it clear that Kyle is not absurd in the same degree as, say, another ABC series, HOPE AND FAITH, which did certainly surpass my toleration of inanity -- I think my only reference to that ever has been as a benchmark of "so silly as to preclude entertainment value."

It may just be the old "suspension of disbelief" quandry.

Personally, I like the new Battlestar Galactica. I watch it in SD on the Sci Fi channel, and the HD repeats on UHD. Yet even in that incredibly good show, I have to accept:

- explosions can be heard in the vacuum of space
- you can make a robot down to molecular level that is indistinguishable from a human (except for the silicon brain)
- Baltar can survive a nuclear explosion through "duck and cover"
-Starbuck is a woman (hubba, hubba!)

I think that show works for me because they create a construct, then remain true to its "rules". With Kyle XY, I am accepting that:

-a teenage boy without a belly button is "born" or "hatched" or whatever in a forest
-said boy has knowledge beyond his experience, yet is able to comment on the "human condition"
-nobody but the girl next door has noticed Kyle can leap off a roof and not get hurt, and even she isn't freaked out by it
-said girl finds many pictures of her in Kyle's bedroom, or bath tub room, and doesn't go screaming to the police about the "stalker nutcase next door", but rather asks him, "you don't, um, 'like' me do you?"

...and so forth

Yet, I think it is a well done show despite that and I actually care about most of the characters. On the other hand, I kept hoping NIM would eat Miles on the dearly departed Surface.

Yeah, SURFACE.....not so good, but started out with such great promise. I think one problem there might have been too many plot threads, attempting too many directions of tone, content and even homage to familiar sci-fi fare.

Kyle is much less ambitious and much more consistent and, yes, I think you are right, somewhat less annoying, although I will say the young son in Kyle has grated more than once with his flippant quipster persona.

For me, I almost never have a problem suspending disbelief in the case of such things as he may be an alien -- what could be more natural than that? -- but when you present dramatic situations that would not happen in our real world, or you are inconsistent in your portrayal of character, you muck up the waters considerably, and really, that type of thing only arises from laziness, or lack of pride in your work product.

Another thing too is that with the mystery element, it invites our trying to determine what is going on and with false dramatic leads interjected out of writer error or oversight, we are left contemplating false mysteries and are led astray from the plot purpose -- in another well constructed offering, these leads would be part of the fabric -- example: later we find out how Kyle became familiar with the smell of ozone -- that teaser then would have come to fruition and that is the type of internal coherence and cohesion I can really admire.

I'll repeat that the last episode was a major improvement over the early ones, so maybe all this series needs is the assurance that someone is watching, to raise the level of play and find its footing -- I would wish that for it.

Sure the internet could have been made to work visually -- overwhelming floodwaters of data and information have appeared in films such as Beautiful Mind as swirling overlays of print and numerals, etc., but there are budgetary constraints operative here which I would not begrudge the producers. My point was that you must make your visuals conform to your story -- directorial decisions must arise from the imperative to advance the story (within the constraints of the budget), not impede it by shortcutting with something that does not fit, let alone something which actually tells a different story than the one you are trying to advance.


I see where you are coming from no arguments there

My guess is that if they had shown him using the internet it would have been 10 times more unrealistic than showing him use the encyclopedias. There would have been:

- lots and lots of keyboard strokes, even though reading lots of information would really just take a tiny bit of typing and lots and lots of clicking and scrolling.
- a fully 3D, animated "internet" that's unlike anything anyone has ever used to do research, ever (except in any other movie or TV show where someone uses a computer)
- lots of flashing colors, beeps, boops and swooshes as the aformentioned "internet" delivered its information

well if recall correctly he picks up digital code really easy. So, I'm just saying they could've just showed him being instructed at sometime using the internet...
Only a click or two, arrow keys , enter button needed in the scene with a overhead shot or over the shoulder... just a thought. who knows

...the point was that kids dont go to libraries or use encyclopedias anymore

I believe tonight is the season finale. I noticed Kyle was not listed on the guide last week, we we’re going out and I already set this show up as a series recording but wanted to double check that it was on. Sunday to our surprise I noticed we recorded it. However, it was not in HD. I see this thread hasn’t been updated for a week or so, did anyone watch this last week?

I watched last week's Kyle and it was not in HD. Looked terrible.

Tonight is the penultimate episode to the season finale, which is next Friday.

Only the Friday showing on ABC is in HD. Any other night and you're getting it from ABC Family, which is SD.

I can vouch for last Friday's ep being in HD, at least locally.

Thanks for the reminder.

Well my local abc must have messed up because it wasn't HD. Really a good show and glad I decided to watch it!

I watched last week's Kyle and it was not in HD. Looked terrible.

You must have recorded the ABC Family version. It was in HD on KGO last week and it was tonight, too.

Larry
SF

You must have recorded the ABC Family version. It was in HD on KGO last week and it was tonight, too.

Larry
SF

Actually, I watched it live on Comcast channel 707, the DT channel. It just looked soft and fuzzy to me. Last night, on the other hand, it was just fine. Maybe, "I" was soft and fuzzy last week. :D

Was HD here in Boston WCVB-DT. Looked good, but they had trouble switching over from the commercials so during the transition it looked a bit off.

The show is going well. Interesting quick turn with the security guard. Did anyone see that coming? Would you trust someone who bugs your apt for your own good?

The show is going well. Interesting quick turn with the security guard. Did anyone see that coming? Would you trust someone who bugs your apt for your own good?
Really, I'm happy that folks have found something they could enjoy this bleak summer and I do realize of course that the target audience for KYLE is likely the yet wholesome pre-pubescent set (who have not seen this kind of stuff hundreds of times by now), as well as their sanguine, yet-to-be-disillusioned parents, but since the question of "did anyone see that coming?," was posed, might I just make an observation?

If the "plot twist" of the security guard stalker being not malefactor but benefactor took you by surprise, that was by design of course. And unfortunately it was not of the cleverly-crafted, all-the-evidence-laid-before-you type of twist, but rather the lazy, sloppy, misdirection-which-DEPOSES-the-twist type.

A good twist operates in the realm of all the relevant story elements being plausible -- they are plausible for the ANTICIPATED, AS WELL AS UNANTICIPATED "twist" evolution of the plot. In the SIXTH SENSE for instance, all the evidence was there, but most thought they had correctly assessed the dramatic trajectory, so had their good surprise. Many rewatched, now with foreknowledge of the revelation to come, and it still held up.

With KYLE though, there was the mystery of this man. We were encouraged to wonder about his identity and motivations. We see him laying the electronic foundation for an elaborate, labor intensive, possibly obsessive surveillance operation -- doing things which are not only highly illegal, but likely to trigger the deepest sense of violation. These activities can only imply one thing, his motives are not good.

When we discover that our mystery man has fashioned himself a benevolent protector, the natural inclination is then to retrace what he has done in service of this protection, and here the presentation crumbles like a bug-ridden wall. Before committing to acts that would forever alienate him from those he would protect, not to mention land him jail for some very hard time, this person would have identified himself, his purpose and motives, as he did anyway -- there was no reason not to, ESPECIALLY if the alternative contemplated is compound felonies and borderline, or perhaps definite and irrefutable, perversion.

I'm sorry, it just is not fair to set up story elements that have only one natural conclusion, then introduce a "twist" which deposes all the foregoing simply and purely in the interest of interjecting a surprise -- of course it was a surprise, nothing was leading in that direction, with possible exception here to the fact that our security man had not directly intervened to physically harm Kyle, but that is not enough............. at least for me.

This is probably typical enough of filler entertainments, and certainly typical of this series which has set up one thing after another, including the very nature of Kyle, which it then ignores at another juncture, for comedy or surprise or whatever ill-founded fleeting interest it may lend.

Oh well...I'm still onboard for the conclusion. I've come this far.

I thought the last episode had some great twists to it and was one of the best of the season. I agree a few episodes have been lame but overall very enjoyable and the characters are likable which for me is very important. (the brother was getting a bit annoying but suddenly he isn't on screen as much any more... wonder whY?)

For me, it was the episode just prior to this last one -- can't recall a thing which leapt out and smacked me in the forehead -- good, plausible character development, good advancement of the story and intrigue.....

Well, the complete season has not yet played out......perhaps there IS some reason our guard would have acted as he did, but my guess would be that they won't bother to further address that plot point, particularly since he seems to have been now swept aside.

Anyway, I should think it would be asking alot of Friday's wrap-up, to hope that they tidy everything up -- a few too many loose and exposed threads I'm afraid. They got me to watch in any event, maybe that was as far as their imagination stretched.

Well, the complete season has not yet played out......Actually, it has for those of us who get the ABC Family channel :rolleyes: (just not in HD). I'll be sure to check back next week to see what Emaych says about the finale....

I couldn't wait for Friday so I watched the season finale on ABC Family. I'll hold off specific comments until after ABC airs it, but I will say I thought they did a good job with it and I look forward to the second season.

Actually, it has for those of us who get the ABC Family channel :rolleyes: (just not in HD). I'll be sure to check back next week to see what Emaych says about the finale....
Be sure to bring a snack. I'm sure it'll be a long post...

Be sure to bring a snack. I'm sure it'll be a long post...I don't bother reading them anymore. Why anyone watches something just to pan it (for free) is a mystery to me.

Well, sure -- possibly just a personal preference, but before I render judgment on a thing, I generally will like to watch it or read it.

Hey guys lets ont get to hard on EM. I agree bashing a show or over picking it apart can be bad but some of the fun of this forum is discussing likes or dislikes about a show. If you just plain hate a show and don't watch it I agree you shouldn't post but if you watch a show and like it but have problems with some things in it, it can be fun to discuss them and I enjoy that part of the forum as well.

Anyone catch what kind of car the "Petersons" took Kyle away in? I noticed that they chose to coverup the (Ford?) logo and nameplate on the back of car. An editing mistake left the black masking in place. On the other hand, the Chevy logo on the front of Declan's SUV seemed to be in every shot of that car.

And I wonder how much "promotional consideration" you have to pay to get your product name written into every script? It gets old pretty fast.

It was a 2006 Hyundai Sonata.

OK OK OK -- here goes this week's complaint: local ABC, KGTV, decides in their infinite wisdom, to opt for the very urgent 453rd rebroadcast of John Ritter's PROBLEM CHILD in standard definition no less, versus the wrap-up, all-your-questions-addressed final episode of the premiere season of an original entertainment. No, there was no special pre-emptive programming earlier in the day, and no rescheduling of Kyle that I've yet discovered.

Could this reflect their assessment of the degree of excitement generated by all the mysterious underpinnings of their offering? -- that a reshowing of an tired, idiotic, cheaply licensed flick might serve just as well for entertainment value? Conspiracy theorists might conclude that the producers, having checked into this thread, used their best insider techniques to ascertain what market certain critical parties resided in, then blacked out that market. I'm tempted to submit this matter to a certain Mr. Stone...........


On the point of whether it may be proper to ever find fault with anything at all, let me frame it this way:

Do I commit suicide if milk sours in the refrigerator? Maybe that was too easy to answer -- how about: kill yourself because your marriage is rotten to the core, you just lost your job, and recently woke up to the fact that no one loves or cares about you?

I think we might recognize that such determinations are perhaps largely issues of degree -- maybe there is a tipping point, though I'm sure there exist folks so constituted that there is no justification for such a total withdrawal -- perhaps hope or the sense that the journey is the thing, sustains such individuals. In any case, it does not require much imagination to generate a thousand reasons why people do anything.

In the present case, how about "KYLE is marginal, could be improved in these ways"? Why not "KYLE achieves a level of entertainment value in being mediocre, that exceeds many things which are borderline 'good' "? How about even "KYLE is simply marvelous in most respects, save the following........"?

Not to mention reasons which may lie quite outside of the show itself.....try: "I have chosen to comment on this show as I had high hopes for it, but do not wish to be unfair, let me give it a chance and continue watching," or: "I wish KYLE was better, I would not want to just bash it, so here are some very detailed specifics -- maybe some will agree with these, maybe many will not."

Some seem to react personally to criticism of something they enjoy, but let it be noted that MY intention is never to devalue or diminish those who have found something they liked, but for my purposes (I have stated quite plainly before), entertainment value is not strictly related to perceived quality. I found Kyle to be relatively mediocre and entertaining enough to watch. Is that a difficult concept?

Also, I generally do not respect people who drop in to snipe as in: "KYLE sucks hard," never to provide broader insight or elucidation to their viewpoint. When I commit to commentary, I try to be very specific -- to some I'm sure this detailing appears to be going to great length to hammer a thing, rather it reflects my level of commitment to the undertaking of appraising something and being fair to that undertaking with (possibly exhaustive) specifics.

How might we hope to get a higher level of entertainment? I'm sure the producers of KYLE never envisioned that my demographic might be watching, or might be thinking in depth about what they work so hard to put out -- were I such a producer, "KYLE sucks hard," is almost utterly useless to me..... on the other hand there is this guy churning out a river of specific observations.

Whether this effort is attended to by those who offer up such things or MAY offer these entertainments, is their option completely, of course -- but I have honored my commitment to myself when I undertook to comment -- I did my job, now........

ABC, local KGTV, can I see the last episode of KYLE, please?

Heh, heh .... always check yer TiVo's :)

My local ABC station preempted the last episode for Bengal's preseason football. Fortunately I caught it a week ago and set up my TiVo to capture the ABC Family feed on Monday, just in case I would be unable to pull in my alternate DMA ABC station on Friday due to potentially unfavorable weather/tropo conditions. So ... at least I got to see it in glorious bitstarved SD. :p

I forget. Is it against the rules to offer to send out a recording of the final episode in exchange for a self addressed, postage paid disc mailer? After running it through VideoRedo to chop out the commercials, I'm left with an MPG file that'll fit on a single disc without having to re-encode it.

You're not missing much. I will say this last episode stole so many common themes from so many other sci-fi movies it's not worth mentioning. Lame.

Heh, heh .... always check yer TiVo's :)

My local ABC station preempted the last episode for Bengal's preseason football. Fortunately I caught it a week ago and set up my TiVo to capture the ABC Family feed on Monday, just in case I would be unable to pull in my alternate DMA ABC station on Friday due to potentially unfavorable weather/tropo conditions. So ... at least I got to see it in glorious bitstarved SD. :p
Worse here, they pre-empted the last two episodes for Eagles pre-season football.

Cmon now, preseason football is at least SOMETHING -- but PROBLEM CHILD?!!! -- that is more than a non-event, that is an insulting snub! I repeat, there was NO probable cause for that substitution -- nothing earlier in the day or even the week -- nothing, except perhaps to redirect viewership to ABC FAMILY, but alas, that is not on my horizon, nor would it appear that a rescheduling is either.

I'm not precisely sure what is to be done with an MPG file, but if there is a way to finish what I started, I'm game -- though I surmise the finale did not necessarily prove itself worthy of heroic measures.

Oh well, I do at least like that fantasy/sci-fi, even of the "quasi" kind, is being made/attempted, that alone gets my interest every time. It occurs to me ABC may have been sending a message with this one though: your investment will in the end prove utterly wasted, and in case you don't get it, forget seeing the finale (take our word for it -- wasn't worth worrying about). Guess you know best ABC.

It aired fine in HD on my local abc affilliate. I have to say it was a good ending with a few surprises and no huge plot holes and I loved the ending and what it set up. I could totally tell about the guy in the church though. I do think kyle should have noticed as smart as he is but other than that a real good ending to the season.

Cmon now, preseason football is at least SOMETHING
Well, but they could have showed it in the middle of the night; but maybe they couldn't do it in HD then anyway, I don't know. I checked the Guide on the penultimate episode, but nothing. The last episode, was supposed to air late night, but didn't. Now, that I think of it, when they air other shows later, it isn't in HD anyway, so ABC Family in SD was the best we were going to get, I guess. :(

Tried doing some searches but can't seem to find anything on the status of Kyle XY. Gone forever?

I'm pretty sure it was renewed on ABC Fam, not sure if it will re-air on ABC in HD again though.

Back this summer on ABC Family with more emphasis on Kyle's abilities.

Back this summer on ABC Family with more emphasis on Kyle's abilities.

Good, Thanks. Quirky little show but for some reason I like it.

I was kind of wondering about that, myself. I still have it programmed in the ol' magic tapeless recording box. ;)

Good, Thanks. Quirky little show but for some reason I like it.

same here. Even though it feels like a teen show at times the characters are likeable and Kyle is fun to watch.

Back this summer on ABC Family with more emphasis on Kyle's abilities.

That's good news. I didn't see any more episodes on epguides.com and had figured it was toast.

- Tom

Well if it ain't on in HD I ain't watchin'.

Well if it ain't on in HD I ain't watchin'.

I hear ya. For me though, the fascination with HD for HD's sake is over. Mind you, personally I'd want EVERYTHING possible in HD. However, I've stopped watching some programs JUST because they are in HD (and I've had my trusty Mitsu 55" since 2002 when the Tonight show and Crossing Jordan were the two choices)

I'm back to watching shows for their content....which is why I watch BSG on Sci Fi rather than waiting for the re-broadcast on UHD, and have Monk, Psyche, the Dead Zone and the 4400 as Series Links.

I hear ya. For me though, the fascination with HD for HD's sake is over. Mind you, personally I'd want EVERYTHING possible in HD. However, I've stopped watching some programs JUST because they are in HD (and I've had my trusty Mitsu 55" since 2002 when the Tonight show and Crossing Jordan were the two choices)

I'm back to watching shows for their content....which is why I watch BSG on Sci Fi rather than waiting for the re-broadcast on UHD, and have Monk, Psyche, the Dead Zone and the 4400 as Series Links.

Dude, you are like my alter-ego. I like every one of those shows. It's too bad the last shows you mentioned have so few episodes each season, though. Did Psych even have 12 episodes?

I hear ya. For me though, the fascination with HD for HD's sake is over. Mind you, personally I'd want EVERYTHING possible in HD. However, I've stopped watching some programs JUST because they are in HD (and I've had my trusty Mitsu 55" since 2002 when the Tonight show and Crossing Jordan were the two choices)

I'm back to watching shows for their content....which is why I watch BSG on Sci Fi rather than waiting for the re-broadcast on UHD, and have Monk, Psyche, the Dead Zone and the 4400 as Series Links.

Everyone of the programs you mention are favorites of mine. Have hope - this fall both USA and SciFi channel are launching similcast HD channels. I'm switching from my current crappy cable provider to Verizon FIOS, partly on the belief that Verizon will pick up those channels long before my current provider ever will.

It was great last year, since they ran it on ABC in HD. If it is just going to be on ABC Family (in SD) I'll lose interest.

Dude, you are like my alter-ego. I like every one of those shows. It's too bad the last shows you mentioned have so few episodes each season, though. Did Psych even have 12 episodes?

I know. The good news, though, is that they typically are GOOD shows! I've even gotten my wife interested in Psych. The interplay between the two leads, and the supporting cast is great....which, frankly is one of the reasons I like Kyle XY so much.

Everyone of the programs you mention are favorites of mine. Have hope - this fall both USA and SciFi channel are launching similcast HD channels. I'm switching from my current crappy cable provider to Verizon FIOS, partly on the belief that Verizon will pick up those channels long before my current provider ever will.

I've been following those announcements VERY closely. I have the 5 LNB D* dish and the HR20-700 all set up "just in case" they actually follow through with the promises! ;)

PLEASE let these cancelled shows RIP.

Wolfie

PLEASE let these cancelled shows RIP.

Wolfie
What has been cancelled? Everything mentioned is either coming back soon or is getting ready to go on break until the next season.

Just saw a commercial for Kyle XY's new season on ABC Family starting June 1st.

Anyone know if ABC has any plans to air these in HD first like they did last year???

Doubtful we'll get another season in HD.

I'll watch the show either way, but count me in with the folks who were really hoping for the ABC-HD repeats.

I was hoping for it too. If not we'll probably get the 2nd season on anamorphic DVD like the first.

Still, it seems like a decent enough show for prime time. Better than most of the dreck ABC shows.

Seems like a fun little show for Buena Vista to test the waters with on Blu.

Well, at least ABC Family is going HD. Maybe after September we'll at least be able to catch re-runs in HD.

Well, at least ABC Family is going HD. Maybe after September we'll at least be able to catch re-runs in HD.
Only if your provide opts to carry it. If, for instance, you have TW, it may be September of 2009 before you get it.

The last I heard, ABC Family HD was scheduled to launch in 2008.

Couldn't find info about Kyle XY on ABC but did find out that season 2 is scheduled for 23 episodes.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003582552

Couldn't find info about Kyle XY on ABC but did find out that season 2 is scheduled for 23 episodes.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003582552

Hey, that's a prime number. Kyle would appreciate that.... ;)

The last I heard, ABC Family HD was scheduled to launch in 2008.

I must have mis-read this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10607774&&#post10607774

I saw ABC Family on there and thought it meant it might be part of the "big launch" in September. Oh, well. At least eventually, Kyle will be in HD!

Couldn't find info about Kyle XY on ABC but did find out that season 2 is scheduled for 23 episodes.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003582552

How refreshing. A network that actually recognizes a quality show (sorry, still in a funk over Veronica Mars, Jericho, Close to Home and Crossing Jordan's demise)

There are actually many other quality programs that networks have actually recognized as such within the last year, including:

Blood Ties
Dirt
Heroes
Psych
Shark
The Unit

fredfa is reporting over in the Hot Off The Press thread that ABC will be repeating the show in HD on Friday nights again this summer.

Good news RockyF. ABC is my hero!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10656875&&#post10656875

As a verified HD fiend, I loved when ABC showed the episodes in HD. However, in this case I don’t care. I just really like the show. I’ve been going to the show’s site for more info, and it has a bunch of stuff that just gets me even more psyched for season 2!! Here’s the official site in case any of you guys are too lazy to look it up (j/k!).

http://www.kylexy.com

I'm too lazy to follow the link, can you just write up a summary? ;)

Haha, very funny. Any summary my mortal hands produced wouldn't do the show justice.

Anyone else tuning in tonight? or are you all waiting to watch it on friday when it comes on in HD?

HD on ABC

This is one of those shows I'll even watch in crappy I-Pod video - it's that good.

Yeah, it's that good, but it's also good enough to wait a week to see in HD and get the whole picture.

Yeah, it's that good, but it's also good enough to wait a week to see in HD and get the whole picture.

Actually, only 4 days.....must....resist...watching....tonight.... :D

Yeah, it's that good, but it's also good enough to wait a week to see in HD and get the whole picture.
Ah, but it's good enough to watch twice... ;)

Ah, but it's good enough to watch twice... ;)
Really?..............WOW. I thought this series was marginal at best. It is in the right place during summer reruns and reality TV, which owing to that array of offerings we are familiar with as dismal summer fare, will probably again tempt me to watch. Lose the HD though, and most of whatever appeal there may be there evaporates.

Didn't they kind of end up with a cliff-hanger last time out? Don't remember the thrust of that, but seem to recall they painted themselves into a pretty tight corner -- I guess I'll want to be refreshed on how they step out of that.

Really?..............WOW. I thought this series was marginal at best. It is in the right place during summer reruns and reality TV, which owing to that array of offerings we are familiar with as dismal summer fare, will probably again tempt me to watch.

It depends what you are watching for. I think Kyle is a good undemanding show which is entertaining and has charm. If this was on during regular season I would still watch it. Since the majority of networks throw reality TV at the screen just as much then as they do now.

I've stopped viewing Summer as an empty schedule. There's plenty to enjoy on cable amongst The Closer, 4400, Rescue Me, Psych, Eureka, Entourage etc.

Didn't they kind of end up with a cliff-hanger last time out? Don't remember the thrust of that, but seem to recall they painted themselves into a pretty tight corner -- I guess I'll want to be refreshed on how they step out of that.Honestly it's been so long I hardly even remember last year's finale.

Kyle was taken away by his "parents"...who were actually working the Adam Baylin.

Actually, only 4 days.....must....resist...watching....tonight.... :D

I'm so weak. Couldn't resist....but, we should probably not discuss this show until after the ABC showing (since this is the HD forum).

Or at least, spoiler tags would make sense before the HD broadcast. :)

I couldn't resist either. And it was a good show. I think it is safe to say that without a spoiler tag.

But next week I'll wait for the hidef version. I would have enjoyed it a bit more in hidef and I even feel a bit guilty for not waiting.

- Tom

Yeah I had to watch as well. But I have my dvr set for the friday HD broadcast so I can watch in Sat. morning (usually busy on fridays)

Looked good. That's all I'll say before then.

I never watched Kyle XY last season and I'm now catching up on Season 1 watching episodes from various sites online.

I'm on episode 3 right now, and I'm seeing a strong similarity to the movie D.A.R.Y.L. One of my favorite movies. :D I hadn't seen it mentioned here yet and wanted to throw that out there.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088979/

XY is a wee bit more "family-oriented" than the shows I'm used to, but I'm intrigued. I'll catch up through season 1 before Friday and give it a go.

Anybody liking Kyle XY might also like John From Cincinnati, sort of like "Kyle goes surfing in Deadwood".

- Tom

I never watched Kyle XY last season and I'm now catching up on Season 1 watching episodes from various sites online.

I'm on episode 3 right now, and I'm seeing a strong similarity to the movie D.A.R.Y.L. One of my favorite movies. :D I hadn't seen it mentioned here yet and wanted to throw that out there.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088979/

XY is a wee bit more "family-oriented" than the shows I'm used to, but I'm intrigued. I'll catch up through season 1 before Friday and give it a go.

Kyle XY also has a resemblance to John Doe, the very short run Fox show of a couple of years ago.

D.A.R.Y.L., by the way, is a neat little film. I was actually surprised to find out who he was.

Seeing as this is an HD, just like every other show, please do not discuss things that happen in the ABC Family SD version of its run or any other place where it runs earlier.

This thread is exclusively for the ABC-HD version. If you want to discuss the SD version earlier I'm sure there are plenty of other boards for it.

Seeing as this is an HD, just like every other show, please do not discuss things that happen in the ABC Family SD version of its run or any other place where it runs earlier.

This thread is exclusively for the ABC-HD version. If you want to discuss the SD version earlier I'm sure there are plenty of other boards for it.

Might not be a bad idea to change the title to add something like "No ABC Family Spoilers" like was done with Battlestar Galactica.

Good idea - title revised.

Thank you Panther. Friday's comin'

Anybody liking Kyle XY might also like John From Cincinnati, sort of like "Kyle goes surfing in Deadwood".

- Tom

but only if you don't expect to see the titular "lead" character for more than five minutes and are not expecting something fun.

Good idea - title revised.

Good job. Thanks.

does anyone know if ABCs plans for this are similar to last year? I believe 8 out of the 10 episodes aired on ABC HD last year. Does ABC plan to do the same with it this year, air only some of the episodes on ABC-HD but all of them on ABC family?

I believe I saw all of last year's episodes on ABC-HD. I know I didn't watch any of them in SD and I'm sure I saw all of the episodes.

all of last years episodes were aired on abc hd. I saw them all in HD.

Their published releases indicate that they will be doing so for at least the first few episodes. There is no reason to think they won't continue throughout the summer again.

Their published releases indicate that they will be doing so for at least the first few episodes. There is no reason to think they won't continue throughout the summer again.
I think I can "share" one potential reason....

...of course, Kyle seems to be doing well, so it looks to be able to hold its own a bit better. However, what's a good rating on cable is only so-so on the big nets.

one thing's for certain, if they plan to air all this season on ABC, they'll have to rethink their scheduling. Kyle XY season 2 is 23 episodes long, not the 10 it was last year.

If they still plan to do a split season on ABC family and break until January after the first 13, ABC will have to find a way to accommodate the show when it returns for 10 more episodes.

Something tells me ABC will have gaps to fill. ;)

thefutoncritic.com is showing Kyle XY Season 2 as only 13 episodes. There are no indications there that there will be an additional 10 episodes.

Something tells me ABC will have gaps to fill. ;)

but how often do they fill gaps in prime season with good programming, and that stays on the air longer than a week?

thefutoncritic.com is showing Kyle XY Season 2 as only 13 episodes. There are no indications there that there will be an additional 10 episodes.

and that's why Fredfa doesn't link to the FC very often.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10616571&&#post10616571

Just watch the season opener and I wasn't impressed. Why did they have to give Kyle a superpower? Isn't it enough he's superintelligent, a great athlete, etc, etc? Now they give him telekinesis as well? Meh.

Otherwise it was rather predictable. Hopefully later episodes will be better.

I too watched the season opener a few hours ago and I enjoyed it thoroughly. This is my first full episode (previous viewing was a few mins where Kyle had an embarassing moment regarding anatomy but I didn't see enough to know exactly what 'it' was) so there are a few loose ends but the re cap at the beginning helped a bit. I know its difficult to join a show cold turkey so anybody know if family channel is doing reruns of last season anytime?

I too watched the season opener a few hours ago and I enjoyed it thoroughly. This is my first full episode (previous viewing was a few mins where Kyle had an embarassing moment regarding anatomy but I didn't see enough to know exactly what 'it' was) so there are a few loose ends but the re cap at the beginning helped a bit. I know its difficult to join a show cold turkey so anybody know if family channel is doing reruns of last season anytime?

you can watch the previous 5 or 6 episodes online at abcfamily.com

So, Kyle was in the tank for something like 16 years???

Will be interesting to see how they incorporate "XX" into the plot.

From a PQ standpoint, the colors seemed oversaturated to me...anyone else notice orange faces? I know it's not my set...the commericals looked fine. Was watching via D* MPEG4 LIL.

Just watch the season opener and I wasn't impressed. Why did they have to give Kyle a superpower? Isn't it enough he's superintelligent, a great athlete, etc, etc? Now they give him telekinesis as well? Meh.

Otherwise it was rather predictable. Hopefully later episodes will be better.
Don't forget, he can already detect lightning and jump off the roof of a 2+ story house with ease...

From a PQ standpoint, the colors seemed oversaturated to me...anyone else notice orange faces? I know it's not my set...the commericals looked fine. Was watching via D* MPEG4 LIL.

I was fine OTA here.
Well, other than being really dark, colors were fine.
Must be something DirecTV is doing.

Don't forget, he can already detect lightning and jump off the roof of a 2+ story house with ease...

And sink a basketball from half court, repeatedly.
Didn't he walk through a sliding glass door with little effort and nary a scratch?


Jerry

HE HAS SPECIAL POWERS!!

Haha j/k, but seriously I thought the episode was pretty good (I had already watched the ABC family showing but refrained from talking about it here). I didn't notice any particular color imperfections.

I thought it was great that so many questions were answered, but parts of it just seemed to add more questions...which is probably a good thing. I was trying to hold out for the HD showing on friday, but I'm not sure I'm going to make it.

... I was trying to hold out for the HD showing on friday, but I'm not sure I'm going to make it.

I didn't! This is just like BSG....watch it in SD to see what happens....then the rerun in HD. :eek:

I didn't! This is just like BSG....watch it in SD to see what happens....then the rerun in HD. :eek:Well, then don't even hint at what comes next please.

As to "special powers", I think it's a long "leap" from being able to jump 2-stories or walk through a plate-glass window unharmed to having telekenetic powers. But what's done is done I suppose. It would have been nice if they developed his powers more slowly, but I suppose with only a 10-episode season they have to start things up relatively quickly.

Amazing that they could answer just about every key question between the Season 1 finale and Season 2 premier - yet the show maintains its "must see" status by coming up with an equally compelling direction moving forward.

Amazing that they could answer just about every key question between the Season 1 finale and Season 2 premier - yet the show maintains its "must see" status by coming up with an equally compelling direction moving forward.

Yeah that was really gutsy or incredibly stupid. They pretty much solved his entire origin story, his purpose and his power in one episode.

Luckily I was never that excited by the conspiracy and origin stuff I just liked seeing him interact with the rest of the family and his school with quirky consequences. As long as they keep that dynamic I think it will work.

I'm not that thrilled about XX however.

I..will..NOT..watch..until..HD..Friday!

- Tom

Of course now he must, after discovering who XX is (a genetic double of himself, albeit female), bond with her, even while she's trying to kill him... I really hope it's not that predictable.:(

Well, then don't even hint at what comes next please...

Don't believe I ever have.

Saw the very beginning of last night's show. Was quite reminiscent of the one episode of Smallville when the woman from Krypton suddenly showed up (last season?). PQ was terrible, BTW.

I noticed the picture quality as well. It looked like an upconvert.

I thought it was too similar to Terminator,I was practically expecting "nice night for a walk","Your clothes-give them to me",etc. :rolleyes: :D

Wasn't on here. A documentary on Katrina was on in the Boston area.

I noticed the picture quality as well. It looked like an upconvert.

Good analog....that's what I was thinking.

XX is going to need some serious thearpy. And some clothes. Well, therapy anyway.

It was on here in Boston at 1:06 AM. Our TiVo caught the time change and recorded it for us.

It was on here in Boston at 1:06 AM. Our TiVo caught the time change and recorded it for us.Yeah, I didn't know enough to look for it later. I suppose that's why TiVo is good.

It was broadcast 4:3 gray pillar-boxed -- probably not HD. (My TiVo setting for letter-box and pillar-box is black, so I know that the pillar-boxes came from the broadcast.) Small consolation I suppose.

The Sacramento HD broadcast looked fine to me.

What was up with the PQ on episode 2. It definitely didn't look as clear as episode one did. Eh, oh well. The quality didn't bother me so much. I liked the episode.

They seem to be toying with the XX character, kind of just changing things up as they go along. It's kept my interest though. I'm wondering when they will finally try to give Kyle some kind of love interest to show how he deals with. Here's looking to next episode.

Darn it. They changed the time from 8pm to 9pm. My manually programmed E* 622 missed it. :mad:

Best episode so far this season. I won't screw it up for those who haven't seen it yet, but colors appear to be permanently off.

I think the weird magenta/green color-tones appears to be something they are purposely shooting for.

Best episode so far this season. I won't screw it up for those who haven't seen it yet, but colors appear to be permanently off.

I think the weird magenta/green color-tones appears to be something they are purposely shooting for.

If they are going for a "creative effect", I'm sure I don't get it. Anyway, not so distracting that it takes away from the show itself which I continue to enjoy.

Overall, I think the actors are doing a good job except for Nick Lea. I'm not sure why his character seems to be on the edge of hysteria most of the time. I mean, I get he wants to protect Kyle and continue the work, but his voice is starting to annoy. :eek:

Just watched my DVRed copy. Apparently one of his powers is either activated by running though fire or by holding a candle -- it makes his belly button appear.

If they are going for a "creative effect", I'm sure I don't get it. Anyway, not so distracting that it takes away from the show itself which I continue to enjoy.

Overall, I think the actors are doing a good job except for Nick Lea. I'm not sure why his character seems to be on the edge of hysteria most of the time. I mean, I get he wants to protect Kyle and continue the work, but his voice is starting to annoy. :eek:

I think you are the first person i've seen something negative about nick lea. It's pretty much universal praise every where else.

I'm looking forward to tomorrow night's episode...wonder what other powers might show for Kyle.

apparently ABC's run of the show is ending tonight, a commercial I saw today said season finale, and next week a show called Greek is airing in it's timeslot.

apparently ABC's run of the show is ending tonight, a commercial I saw today said season finale, and next week a show called Greek is airing in it's timeslot.

Wow. That was quick! Guess it is back to the SD version on ABC Family. :eek:

I thought Kyle's original episodes were only shown on mondays (then HD rebroadcast on fridays). Greek is a Family Channel original, AFAIK.

I thought Kyle's original episodes were only shown on mondays (then HD rebroadcast on fridays). Greek is a Family Channel original, AFAIK.

That's the way its been. But Roger is correct, at least according to Titan TV. No Kyle XY next Friday night.

Maybe they are just trying out the pilot to Greek to generate interest.

Well if it is ending its HD run that sucks, I guess I'll wait until it hits DVD (16:9 anamorphic) to see the rest of the season, as I'm not going to waste my time with the SD 4:3 version.

ABC's site says Greek is scheduled for ''Fridays at 9", so they're planning to show a number of episodes.
http://abc.go.com/specials/greek.html

Well if it is ending its HD run that sucks, I guess I'll wait until it hits DVD (16:9 anamorphic) to see the rest of the season, as I'm not going to waste my time with the SD 4:3 version.

Bummer. Me too. I like the show but probably not enough to put up with the low quality version.

- Tom

That's the way its been. But Roger is correct, at least according to Titan TV. No Kyle XY next Friday night.

Maybe they are just trying out the pilot to Greek to generate interest.Ah, OK; I misread Raj's post. This Greek thing looks stinky, BTW.

Ah dammit. I was just beginning to convert to the Friday HD slot. I was wondering how the ratings were faring on ABC, but I guess it's irrelevant now.

Ah, OK; I misread Raj's post. This Greek thing looks stinky, BTW.


I tend to watch pilot episodes of scripted dramas when in HD and convenient. But I don't really hold out very high hopes for this one.

Do college TV series ever succeed?

- Tom

Too bad. This week's episode was quite excellent. They should move Kyle back to 8PM.

I tend to watch pilot episodes of scripted dramas when in HD and convenient. But I don't really hold out very high hopes for this one.

Do college TV series ever succeed?

- Tom

You have to remember that Greek is aimed at the ABC Family audience, home to shows such as "Wildfire" and "Falcon Beach." It's only airing on ABC to give it some ratings push for the channel. On the revived ABC Family it's a better fit.

This weeks Kyle was really good and now that it's been yanked I'd guess that whoever started to watch it on ABC will probably follow it to ABC Family, since the SD audience won't have such a hard time with the channel switch.

It's not even available at abcfamily.com in 16:9! If the audience never saw the ABC HD feed they don't even know they are missing anything.

I'll not be following it to ABC Family. If it ain't HD, it ain't.....

I was sorry to see that Kyle is not going to be shown in HD on ABC, anymore. Since I have watched every episode for the past two seasons, I will reluctantly follow it back to ABC Family.

I haven't watch it on ABC Family at all this, year. Is it shown letterboxed or in 4:3 format on ABC Family? I will really be disappointed if it is 4:3.

Looks like it's center cut on ABCFam.

Still a good series, HD or not.

However, this thread should probably be re-titled and moved out of the HDTV area.

Hopefully when ABC Family goes HD in 2008, it can come back!

It may be a mistake, but my local paper in San Francisco shows it on ABC at 8:00 on Friday, before Greek.

It may be a mistake, but my local paper in San Francisco shows it on ABC at 8:00 on Friday, before Greek.

Not that it is always reliable, but TitanTV is listing 2 episodes of George Lopez beginning at 8 PM.

ABC Pulls 'Kyle XY'

By James Hibberd

ABC has yanked repurposed episodes of sister network ABC Family’s “Kyle XY.”

The second season of ABC Family sci-fi drama has been repurposed four times on ABC, averaging a 0.8 rating among adults 18 to 49. The network tried the drama first at 8 p.m., then at 9 p.m., yet “Kyle” was one of the lowest-rated shows of the night.

ABC aired the entire first season of the show last summer and it averaged a 1.3 rating.

This Friday ABC will air two “George Lopez” repeats in the 8 p.m. slot, leading into the premiere of another ABC Family series, the scripted fraternity drama “Greek.” On the following Friday, ABC will premiere its Jimmy Kimmel-hosted game show “Set For Life,” where contestants compete to win a monthly paycheck for one to forty years.

"Kyle XY" will continue to air as scheduled on ABC Family.

ABC had no comment.

http://tvweek.com/news/2007/07/abc_pulls_kyle_xy.php

Doesn't the actress who plays Kyle's Clonemate, (Sister?) look like Michael Jackson?
Looks just how I imagine Jacko sees himself.

Doesn't the actress who plays Kyle's Clonemate, (Sister?) look like Michael Jackson?
Looks just how I imagine Jacko sees himself.

Thanks for nothing! :D Now, I've got that image stuck in my brain. The scary thing is, you are right! :eek:

ABC Pulls 'Kyle XY'

By James Hibberd

ABC has yanked repurposed episodes of sister network ABC Family’s “Kyle XY.”

The second season of ABC Family sci-fi drama has been repurposed four times on ABC, averaging a 0.8 rating among adults 18 to 49. The network tried the drama first at 8 p.m., then at 9 p.m., yet “Kyle” was one of the lowest-rated shows of the night.

ABC aired the entire first season of the show last summer and it averaged a 1.3 rating.

This Friday ABC will air two “George Lopez” repeats in the 8 p.m. slot, leading into the premiere of another ABC Family series, the scripted fraternity drama “Greek.” On the following Friday, ABC will premiere its Jimmy Kimmel-hosted game show “Set For Life,” where contestants compete to win a monthly paycheck for one to forty years.

"Kyle XY" will continue to air as scheduled on ABC Family.

ABC had no comment.

http://tvweek.com/news/2007/07/abc_pulls_kyle_xy.php

Ah yes, when all else fails, put on a rerun of George Lopez.

Kyle was an entertaining summer replacement series, but not so much so that I'll follow it to an SD broadcast. What's worse is that neither of the two replacements that have been mentioned hold any interest for me at all.
Thanks again ABC.....

You have to remember that Greek is aimed at the ABC Family audience, home to shows such as "Wildfire" and "Falcon Beach." It's only airing on ABC to give it some ratings push for the channel. On the revived ABC Family it's a better fit.Made my twelve year-old turn off Greek. As racy as I thought Kyle was initially, it blushes at this trashy show.

Yeah I'm not sure what ABC was thinking here. I was already watching SD ABC family broadcast, but for when i missed it I was looking forward to the HD version...I think Greek comes on after kyle xy on abc family. Not sure how much better it will do. Sad to see it go, but i'll still be watching on abc family.

Yeah I'm not sure what ABC was thinking here. I was already watching SD ABC family broadcast, but for when i missed it I was looking forward to the HD version...

I don't see why ABC would be expecting great numbers from Kyle on Friday. With the exception of HD viewers it's just a repeat of the ABC Family broadcast. 4 days earlier.

The majority of people have access to ABC Family, so why wouldn't they watch it earlier in the week?

Because it isn't in HD earlier in the week.

I was getting kind of interested in the show, but I doubt that I'll watch it anymore now that it's not in HD.

Because it isn't in HD earlier in the week.

"with the exception of HD viewers"

I was getting kind of interested in the show, but I doubt that I'll watch it anymore now that it's not in HD.
Sorry, but that's just silly. You must miss out on a lot of great shows that aren't available in HD. That's as bad as people saying they won't watch anything in black and white.

I don't find it silly at all. If you know it is filmed in HD, it is only a matter of time before it shows up in HD or at least DVD 16:9 somewhere. I'd rather wait.

Sorry, but that's just silly. You must miss out on a lot of great shows that aren't available in HD. That's as bad as people saying they won't watch anything in black and white.

I'm sorry you're sorry you think I'm silly. I do watch some things in SD, but Kyle XY is certainly not the Wire or the Shield. I can wait for ABC Family to go HD for this one. Heck, I even wait for the UHD showings of BSG, one of my favorites. I guess I'm an HD snob. ;)

Sorry, but that's just silly. You must miss out on a lot of great shows that aren't available in HD. That's as bad as people saying they won't watch anything in black and white.

Actually there are some people who will not see something if it is in B&W!

I love HD and prefer all shows to be in that format. However, I've had an HD set since 2002, so the "novelty" has sort of worn off (when I would only watch something if it were in HD).

If there is something that "demands" HD (and I'd put BSG, Heroes and Lost in that category) then SD is just wrong. However, Kyle XY is mostly character driven. No heavy SFX or lush photography. Having compared the ABC Family broadcast and the ABC HD re-broadcast, I can't honestly say that the HD added anything to it.

So, while I hope Kyle lasts into another season when ABC Family goes HD in 2008, I'll keep up with the story for now in glorious SD. Personally, I think the story is worth the time.

I'm actually more bothered by watching a 4:3 program instead of full 16:9. If Kyle XY were shown letterboxed, or 16:9 SD DVD - I'd watch it now instead of waiting. I watch BSG on SciFi despite horrendous PQ because it's at least 16:9. If it were 4:3 I'd wait for UHD. Even though it is typically non-vital info - I just can't get the idea out of my head that I'm missing a third of the show.

It's a big problem for hearing-impaired TiVo Series 3 owners, actually. My wife is hearing-impaired and relies on the closed captioning to work. The TiVo Series 3 has a bug in it which causes it to stop recording captions on SD programs after the first inserted commercial (other DVRs continue to record captions). So switching to SD means we either have to stop watching this show, or have to have a second DVR just to record SD shows. That's not a practical option for all TiVo Series 3 owners. :(