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Is the self-appointed "King of All Media" also the king of all markets? Terrestrial-radio deserter and wickedly popular morning-show radio host Howard Stern helped Sirius (Nasdaq: SIRI) close the subscriber gap with market-leader XM (Nasdaq: XMSR) for the third quarter in a row. In the second quarter, which ended last week, Sirius claims that it landed 600,460 new subscribers, while XM generated just 398,000 net additions.

XM can't sugarcoat the disparity. It's true that XM still commands the larger audience. The company closed out the quarter with 6.9 million subscribers, while Sirius totalled 4.7 million. Even if XM's subscriber count remains stagnant over the next few periods -- highly unlikely, of course -- Sirius wouldn't catch up until the first half of 2007.

The problem is that this is a momentum game, and at the moment, Sirius is the one behind the wheel. It was able to land 64% more net new subscribers during the period than it did a year earlier. Over at XM, the company suffered a 38% slide in net new additions, after claiming 640,000 new sets of ears in the June quarter of 2005.

XM is still growing -- reporting net new additions, not subtractions. That doesn't take away from the one thing that's now becoming painfully -- or gloriously -- obvious: Howard Stern is bigger than even he thinks he is.

Hugh blew it
When Sirius agreed to a five-year deal with Stern, a stock-and-cash pact valued at $500 million at the time, XM CEO Hugh Panero was critical of the amounts being bandied about for the sometimes-controversial host. David Gardner interviewed Panero last year, and this is what he had to say:

I don't know if it is a good move for Sirius. It is clearly a very good move for Howard Stern. He is a smart guy, and he has obviously done a deal that is very good for him. I think that there will be a number of his hardcore fans who will subscribe to listen to him in that environment.

Whether it is a good business deal, I think time is going to tell. It is a lot, a lot of money. I had also spoken to Howard and some of his people, and there was some interest in us doing some sort of a deal with him, but I never, ever contemplated a deal of that magnitude. That is more money than people like Oprah Winfrey make. That is more money than some of the biggest stars that exist. It is quite a gamble, but it was clearly a very good business deal for Howard Stern.

In retrospect, Panero was wrong. Since the day the deal was announced, shares of Sirius are only trading marginally higher; that still tops XM, which has seen its shares nearly halved in the same period. It's interesting to note how Panero singled out Oprah, a broadcasting celebrity with whom XM eventually teamed up to create a new XM channel debuting this fall.

Along the way, we've had downward subscriber revisions, troublesome product rollouts, and a defecting Chicken Little board member. Investors keep waiting for the other shoe to drop at XM, only to realize that XM is really Imelda Marcos in disguise. Boy, Stern would have been really convenient about now. Would we even still be in a duopoly if Sirius had let Stern slip through its fingers and into XM's hands?

We can argue about Stern's merits until we're blue in the face -- and I don't mean the FCC's definition of "blue" here. Whether you think he's brilliant or a potty-mouth, the numbers don't lie. Consumers have been choosing Sirius over XM since Stern made his media blitz over the 2005 holiday season.

Stern is the not-so-secret ingredient behind Sirius' killer recipe. I subscribe to both XM and Sirius. I love both. XM has more channels, with a lot of content overlap. You'll get a wide range of opinion on who has the best music channels, but both services are excellent substitutes to old-school radio. One can argue that XM's deal with Major League Baseball and Sirius' pact with the National Football League make each offering distinctive, but that's also what makes Sirius clobbering XM here so Stern-driven. We're waist-deep into the baseball season and a couple of months away from the start of the NFL games. All things being equal, XM should have smoked Sirius this quarter.

Eighteen months ago, I made a pretty ridiculous prediction. XM was trouncing Sirius, yet I proclaimed that Sirius would land more net new subscribers by the fourth quarter of 2005. It seemed outlandish at the time, but I was spot-on accurate. I'm off to hock my crystal ball, though. A year later, I predicted that XM would regain the new-listener lead in the second and third quarters. Not even close.

Another shoe tumbles
This doesn't end here, of course. Anyone with a calculator and a penchant for train wrecks can see that XM may let us down one more time. Back in May, XM announced that it intended to close out the year with 8.5 million subscribers. It had originally planned to end 2006 by lapping the nine-million mark.

On the other hand, Sirius expects to wrap up the year with 6.2 million subs. In other words, over the next six months, XM expects to land 1.6 million more net new users, with Sirius projecting just 1.5 million net new subscribers.

How? If the baseball-charged second quarter didn't do it, how will XM outmuscle Sirius when the playing fields of choice go from diamonds to gridirons? XM will have "its Oprah moment" in a few months, but that's a wildcard, since Oprah's emphasis will remain with her syndicated television show.

What would it take for XM to avoid another heartbreak? Will next month's earnings report bring that 8.5 million year-end target to a round 8 million, or will announcement come in early October instead?

Things don't have to be that bleak. As logic goes, the more time that Stern spends entrenched in satellite radio and away from the mainstream spotlight, the less of a factor he becomes in moving new receivers. True Stern fans would have made the migration already. But the strong second quarter, months after Stern's first show for Sirius, throws that theory into the wood-chipper.

Maybe the thinking is that XM stars Opie & Anthony, pioneers in taking their controversial morning show to satellite radio, will be successful ambassadors. XM began syndicating part of the show to Stern's former haunt at CBS (NYSE: CBS). If lightning can be caught in a bottled-up radio show twice, XM may be on to something. But the early XM migration numbers don't seem to have panned out that way.

I still believe in XM. I even recommended the stock to Rule Breakers subscribers last year. I'm realistic, though. A year ago, I was wondering why XM had a lower market cap than Sirius. Now I understand. Still, XM's attractive valuation, and the upside potential of the niche, keep me glued to the possibilities.

Stop dropping shoes, XM. And if you've got platform shoes in there, try them on. We can all use the lift.

Rick recommended XM to Rule Breakers subscribers last year. The stock is currently in the red, though the average newsletter service pick is currently beating the market. See David Gardner's full list of growth-focused picks with a free 30-day guest pass.

Longtime Fool contributor Rick Munarriz is a Sirius and XM subscriber, but he does not own shares in any of the companies mentioned in this story. The Fool has a disclosure policy. He is also part of the Rule Breakers newsletter research team, seeking out tomorrow's ultimate growth stocks a day early.

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Yeah this sub war is fun to watch and read about.. Article after article,paragraph after paragraph..Yet nothing on when these 2 companies are going to FINALLY make a buck..

All hail the red ink...

Yeah this sub war is fun to watch and read about.. Article after article,paragraph after paragraph..Yet nothing on when these 2 companies are going to FINALLY make a buck..

All hail the red ink...



i guess you know nothing about business and/or wall street.

i guess you know nothing about business and/or wall street.

I know this much..To stay in business you have to turn a profit..Unless of course your company's name is Enron..

I wonder when Sirius is going to buyout XM?

I wonder when Sirius is going to buyout XM?
soon

Yeah,both companies have billions just lying around.....Maybe they both can pool their profits and give GM a hand!!!

I'm amazed how Stern or many other DJ's can actually get people to do their marketing for them for free. :rolleyes:

If you want me to help sell your product, you'd better give me some cash. ;)



I do hope that they don't merge. That would lead to constant price increases ala cable TV. The threat of competition does wonders for keeping prices under control.

In the interest of honesty, I have to admit I don't like Stern. I didn't like his show when he first started simulcasting on WYSP in Philly, and I still didn't like it when left for Sirius. I would find it difficult after a merger to continue buying satellite radio since I'd be lining his pockets with my subscription money (obviously, no matter who acquired who, he'd be part of the merged company).

Yeah,both companies have billions just lying around.....Maybe they both can pool their profits and give GM a hand!!!
Um if these companies are so broke how is Sirius buying a new satellite for 225 million dollars huh? Also I'm doing any marketing I just love the service and therefore they get good word of mouth from me just as if it sucked I would let everyone know that.

Um if these companies are so broke how is Sirius buying a new satellite for 225 million dollars huh? Also I'm doing any marketing I just love the service and therefore they get good word of mouth from me just as if it sucked I would let everyone know that.

There's a great idea...Sirius can use their invisible profits to buy XM..Then they won't need to buy a new sat,they can use XM's.. :) JH you could have just saved Sirius 225 mil, good work!!

I hate to keep being a sarcastic SOB..But all you fanboys got to get a grip with this sub war between XM and Sirius.. They're businesses,they have to start making a profit and stop worrying about who's got,or going to have more subs..I'd feel much better about XM's future if they'd NOW had just 4 million subs and were breaking even,like they were suppose to,then be at 7 million subs and still bleeding red ink...

They will both start turning an annual profit within the next 2 or 3 years. However, it will still be a few years more years before they are completely in the black.

As far as either of the two companies acquiring the other is concerned, unless a third satellite radio company comes along, it just won't happen. Just like when DirecTV tried to buy Dish Network, the FTC is not about to allow a monopoly in satellite broadcasting


Um if these companies are so broke how is Sirius buying a new satellite for 225 million dollars huh?

Um... they're dipping further into the money that investors have spent on Sirius stock in order to pay for the new satellite. They're certainly not paying for it with the money that they are taking in by selling radios and subscriptions. At least not yet.

I'm not saying that buying a new satellite is a bad thing. From what I understand, any technical infrastructure improvements that Sirius can make is a good idea. But don't get the idea that they are paying for this by reinvesting profits. Because that just isn't the case.

Don't get "profit" confused with "cash on hand" or the ability to borrow. They aren't the same thing. Right now, Sirius is using the second and/or third to pay for their new satellite.

In the last 6 months siri stock has gone from $6.57 a share to $4.41 a share. Howard was going make this stock rocket into the double digits, what happen. Can't the king of all media, help the doggy company. Also I know XM stock isn't doing great now but, they have less share outstanding.

They will both start turning an annual profit within the next 2 or 3 years. However, it will still be a few years more years before they are completely in the black.

If you're right and it takes 2-3 years to turn a profit I doubt either company will be around in their present form(maybe merged,bought out by someone else,etc.)....I think the next 6-12 months will be make or break for both companies..

First of all I never said I wanted Sirius to buy XM in my opinion that would be a bad deal for Sirius. Sirius is kicking XMs ass right now in new subs and buzz. No need to buy a loser when you can just out right kill them off by yourself. Sirius isn't going anywhere in the next few years that much I know. There are many,many businesses that lose money for years on end untill they finally turn a profit. This is no different.

First of all I never said I wanted Sirius to buy XM in my opinion that would be a bad deal for Sirius. Sirius is kicking XMs ass right now in new subs and buzz. No need to buy a loser when you can just out right kill them off by yourself.

Actually, if it were possible for Sirius to buy XM, it would be a good thing for them. XM is years ahead of Sirius when it comes to technology. One and a half years after XM has released a truly portable receiver that also records (the Myfi), Sirius has nothing even close. Xm is now on their second generation of this technology. It would be a lot easier for Sirius to buy this capability instead of having to engineer it themselves.

I think that Sirius would also like to have the satellite locations that XM has so that people can put an antenna in a window in their home or office and be able to listen to Sirius without having to move the antenna every few hours.

First of all I never said I wanted Sirius to buy XM in my opinion that would be a bad deal for Sirius. Sirius is kicking XMs ass right now in new subs and buzz. No need to buy a loser when you can just out right kill them off by yourself. Sirius isn't going anywhere in the next few years that much I know. There are many,many businesses that lose money for years on end untill they finally turn a profit. This is no different.
Open a spread sheet and plot the numbers from Mercury's post above. It hardly looks like Sirius is going to kill XM. You can definitely see the affect of Stern, but you can also see that the affect is now trailing off and both XM and Sirius will soon be back to the pre Stern growth rates.

Barbie is right, all of the subs in the world are no good unless you are making a profit on them.

I think that Sirius would also like to have the satellite locations that XM has so that people can put an antenna in a window in their home or office and be able to listen to Sirius without having to move the antenna every few hours.

Actually, this is what the third satellite is supposed to do.

Unlike the current two, which are in a elliptical(did I spell that right?) orbit above the U.S., this 3rd one is going to be in a GEOSTATIONARY orbit.

I think it is going to be in the Southern Sky, just like XM's, but I may be wrong about it's placement.

But it is definitely going to be geostationary like XM's birds.

Hopefully this is because Sirius has finally begun to listen to their customer base(myself included) that the indoor reception for Sirius is PITIFUL compared to XM's.

Sirius' Car reception is better. At least that has been the case with me. Going on a long trip my XM, with the antenna on the roof just like my Sirius now, would crap out more than Sirius.

Sirius' moving birds often better reception when on the go, while XM's would have the more occasional dropout because they are stationary and would occasionally be blocked out by the side of hill/mountain/whatever. Not for long, but it did happen more.

THE FOLLOWING RANT IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LETTER "R":

Now, I have made no bones that I am definitely in the Stern camp, but this constant bickering between Stern fans and O&A fans is becoming ASSININE. Give it up.

J.H.,

Do you HONESTLY feel that the satellite radio world would be better off with just ONE dominating company? Do you honestly believe that? If you do, you are crazy.

It may be great for Mel Karmizan and stockholders, but would for everybody, including you, when the rate increase explodes.

Why? Because there would be no competition to keep prices down, which would suck for every consumer out there.

And this all got started becasue Karmizan was asked in an interview if he would like to by XM, and he said, "Absolutely." It seems like alot people, including Stern, took this too mean that he will.

Come on! Of course he would like too, but it will never happen, and never be approved for that matter. When he said it, he meant it. But even he knows that it is impossible, especially at this stage. I think he said it more tounge-in-cheek than anything else. But the interviewer asked a question, and he gave them an answer.

Ask XM's top executive the same question with regards to Sirius, and you would get the same answer. Who doesn't want to be the "Master of the Universe" in regards to their product? If you don't, then the guy/girl in charge doesn't have the guts to be the best out there.

Here is one person hoping this will never happen.

So Sirius and XM will continue to grow. Stern will begin a new round of TV interviews before the end of summer to promote the product heavily again(this is just guesswork on my part, but it would be smart since the NFL would be starting up again) along with himself(which is the main reason).

But this will not stop the "My Dad can beat up your Dad" posts between O&A Blowhards, and Stern Blowhards.

Ok guys how many more times do I have to say thid before you get it through your thick skulls! I think it would be a BAD idea for sirius to buy XM when they can kill them on thier own. I don't care if there were 8 satellite companies. The only one that counts is sirius anyway.

Steelers...Very good,well said...BTW I took Mels comment about buying XM as a little shot at XM because of their recent troubles..

JH...Sirius is the only one that counts huh? Damn you either brainwashed or 8 years old...

JH...Sirius is the only one that counts huh? Damn you either brainwashed or 8 years old...


barb you cant let anything go can you.

Actually, this is what the third satellite is supposed to do.

Unlike the current two, which are in a elliptical(did I spell that right?) orbit above the U.S., this 3rd one is going to be in a GEOSTATIONARY orbit.

I think it is going to be in the Southern Sky, just like XM's, but I may be wrong about it's placement.


If it's going to be put into a geostationary orbit, it would have to be in the southern sky (at least for those of us in the northern hemisphere). In order for the orbit to be geostationary, the satellite must be directly above the equator.

The only variable would be the longitude of the new satellite. In a perfect world, they would want the satellite to be south of Texas, right around 100 degrees west longitude (essentially the middle of the US).

Also, it's going to be Sirius' fourth satellite. In order to have coverage over the US at all times with an elliptical path, Sirius initially had to put 3 satellites into orbit, not 2.

The Orbitcast article on this satellite (http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/sirius-to-augment-satellite-constellation.html) doesn't indicate where it will be located.

Yes, but if your information is correct about it having to be the Southern Sky for Geostationary orbit for the Northern Hemisphere, then that is where it is going to be.

Unless of course they are trying to make deals with Mexico/Central/South America to provide a pure Latino program lineup, plus other things.

But I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT, as it would involve to many goverments/red tape to do. Just not feasible.

The old thread, and your article, makes it perfectly clear that it will be Geostationary.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=686098

barb you cant let anything go can you.

Come on Merc. When I see you come down on JH for the tons of crap he posts here then I'll lay off..Sirius is a radio company,it's not life or death..Stern and O&A are radio personalities,thats all.. None of them will formulate a cure for cancer or create world peace.

You guys take all this waaaay too serious(pun intended)..:)

Steelers...Very good,well said...BTW I took Mels comment about buying XM as a little shot at XM because of their recent troubles..

JH...Sirius is the only one that counts huh? Damn you either brainwashed or 8 years old...
I'm not brainwashed nor 8 years old. XM sucks and Sirius doesn't thats why its the only one that counts. To me its the only one that counts. Do you have problem with opinions? The buzz is clearly with Sirius that cannot be denied. I don't see how XM will or can regain the buzz factor. I don't post "tons of crap" I post opinions and my opinion is that O&A are wannabe losers and XM sucks both valid points. I've been able to get those two losers for free for months now in NY and havent had the urge to even turn the dial thier way. To be fair though I don't listen to regular radio anymore at all except at work when I can't listen to sirius and that is strictly music listening. Actually I will amend that I listen to 660AM can't give up Mike and the Maddog.

Open a spread sheet and plot the numbers from Mercury's post above. It hardly looks like Sirius is going to kill XM. You can definitely see the affect of Stern, but you can also see that the affect is now trailing off and both XM and Sirius will soon be back to the pre Stern growth rates.

Barbie is right, all of the subs in the world are no good unless you are making a profit on them.


http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/files/xm3_476.jpg

Wow, you waited six months to plot the numbers?

Wow, you waited six months to plot the numbers?


No,just needed the time to prove you wrong,again!

again????????? yeah right!

this is being reported over at NYRMB...

the Fall book for O&A

(12+) 1.6 - down from a 2.2 in the summer.

(persons 25-54) 2.4 - down from 3.1 in the summer.

(18-34) 3.1 - down from 4.1 in the summer.

(men 25-54) 3.9 - down from 5.0 in the summer.


waddle doodle!

Merc, you're the first to bring O&A into this thread, what's with the obsession?

Merc, you're the first to bring O&A into this thread, what's with the obsession?


really?

maybe you should read the article posted on page one.

Howard! Howard! Howard! Howard!

Howard's done. His show is the same thing everyday, he just doenst have it like he did in the 80's and 90's. Thats why I left Sirius for XM.... boring shows on Howard. He got the big payday already so whats his motivation? Exactly. The show (when its actually live) SUCKS now.

Go with XM and try out O & A. Fresh and different, they actually do a unique show thats very very funny. I mean how many times can you listen to sex on the radio Howard? *sigh* its time to retire.

Howard's done. His show is the same thing everyday, he just doenst have it like he did in the 80's and 90's. Thats why I left Sirius for XM.... boring shows on Howard. He got the big payday already so whats his motivation? Exactly. The show (when its actually live) SUCKS now.

Go with XM and try out O & A. Fresh and different, they actually do a unique show thats very very funny. I mean how many times can you listen to sex on the radio Howard? *sigh* its time to retire.


Oh boy!!! You just opened up a HUGE can of worms. Be prepared for the onslaught. :)

Bah. Howard's zombies can say all they want, I've been to both sides and I know how Howards show's doing. Its terrible. In 1992, it ruled all. Now, it sucks. OnA's show is so much better, its night and day. Myself, a buddy, and my bro-in-law all dropped Sirius for XM for two reasons. 1. XM has better reception and playlists. 2. Howards show sucks and OnA are better.

i would say the subs howard was going to bring to sirius is already there but i wouldn't say subs are going to drop off since nascar is starting up here in the next couple of weeks and it is on sirius now.

Bah. Howard's zombies can say all they want, I've been to both sides and I know how Howards show's doing. Its terrible. In 1992, it ruled all. Now, it sucks. OnA's show is so much better, its night and day. Myself, a buddy, and my bro-in-law all dropped Sirius for XM for two reasons. 1. XM has better reception and playlists. 2. Howards show sucks and OnA are better.
Those two guys are just copy cats don't fool yourself ok. I hear now those two morons are having a film festival. Hmmm just a few months after Howard had one. What a bunch of suck asses those two. You can say all you want that they are more funny but don't give me the BS that they are original in anything ok. Plus and this is a good one. Are you all ready for this little nugget of information? Here it comes! O&As ratings on 92.3 K-rock are WORSE THAN DAVID LEE ROTHS WERE!!!!! Now thats just too funny. Can we say experiment FAILED!

You heard wrong they arent having a film fest and they dont copy anybody. You dont listen to them, you just repeat what HooHoo says, of course he's gonna lie about the defeats.

Believe me, OnA give Howard credit all the time for getting their start, but they are original my friend. Well maybe original doenst work in radio because how can you be now, but they aren't howards show. I know I listened to both.

And your info on the ratings is wrong. Stop listening to the liar and do your own research. LoL. Typical Howard brainwashed zombie.

Are you ready for this little nugget of information? Here it comes! Sirius deactivation is up 320% since last year. Bwahahaha!

You heard wrong they arent having a film fest and they dont copy anybody. You dont listen to them, you just repeat what HooHoo says, of course he's gonna lie about the defeats.

Believe me, OnA give Howard credit all the time for getting their start, but they are original my friend. Well maybe original doenst work in radio because how can you be now, but they aren't howards show. I know I listened to both.

And your info on the ratings is wrong. Stop listening to the liar and do your own research. LoL. Typical Howard brainwashed zombie.

Are you ready for this little nugget of information? Here it comes! Sirius deactivation is up 320% since last year. Bwahahaha!
Wrong again your the one that brainwashed. It was in the local NY papers um where they print rating. see I live here in NY and actually read those papers. There rating are worse than David Lee Roths. Here in NY there is no buzz for those two copy cats. Thats what they are. They are NOT original sorry to disapoint you. Also I have been able to get those two morons for free for months now and I would dare turn on those two copy cat idiots. Plus they are screwing the actual XM subs by going on free radio. Thats the truth.

You heard wrong they arent having a film fest and they dont copy anybody. You dont listen to them, you just repeat what HooHoo says, of course he's gonna lie about the defeats.

Believe me, OnA give Howard credit all the time for getting their start, but they are original my friend. Well maybe original doenst work in radio because how can you be now, but they aren't howards show. I know I listened to both.

And your info on the ratings is wrong. Stop listening to the liar and do your own research. LoL. Typical Howard brainwashed zombie.

Are you ready for this little nugget of information? Here it comes! Sirius deactivation is up 320% since last year. Bwahahaha!


what a noob.... note to self... i think fanboyism and threadcrapping isnt permitted. so please open up a O&A thread and praise your two gods...

Yeah twice on Lettermen and once on Leno within 2.5 months must mean bad ratings.

OnA just bashed Howard live on MSNBC....lol. Another great moment. Hoo Hoo Robin...I invented everything.

bro... your really pushing it.... now i already asked you to please open up your own thread and talk about o&a but your obviously not listening

since you are a new member, i will let you know that this behavior isnt tolerated.... your thread crapping and a big no no....

next will be alerting the moderator.... so please take your pick

I didnt think you were serious about a new thread, especially given the tone and language in which you wrote it.

No worries I just enjoy argueing about stuff like this. I didn't know this site was so serious about its topics. Sorry.

Your implies ownership, fyi.

I didnt think you were serious about a new thread, especially given the tone and language in which you wrote it.

No worries I just enjoy argueing about stuff like this. I didn't know this site was so serious about its topics. Sorry.

Your implies ownership, fyi.


and argueing is spelled arguing. fyi

Since getting Sirius, I listen to Howard, and yeah, it's the same old show. It was a little disappointing at first. Then I listened more. and more.... and more.......

Nothing really outrageous has happened, for for some unexplainable reason, I am hooked again. I record 4 hours every night to listen at work the next day.



You all can argue his show all day, but the numbers of subscribers he has drawn, and continues to draw, is amazing and speaks for itself. 600,000 to 6Million in 1 year, and with Howard being the #1 most listened to show on Sirius....... You do the math....

Here are the O&A ratings-

12+) 1.6 - down from a 2.2 in the summer.

(persons 25-54) 2.4 - down from 3.1 in the summer.

(18-34) 3.1 - down from 4.1 in the summer.

(men 25-54) 3.9 - down from 5.0 in the summer

http://www.nydailynews.com/01-10-2007/news/gossip/story/487259p-410201c.html

Chicago-

The only morning show doing worse is WCKG's latest replacement for Howard Stern -- the syndicated duo of Gregg "Opie" Hughes and Anthony Cumia. They're faring no better than Shane "Rover" French, who lasted only seven months here.
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Philadelphia,

WYSP, Summer: 1.9, in 19th place
WYSP, Fall: 2.2, in 18th place

those are the facts.
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You heard wrong they arent having a film fest and they dont copy anybody. You dont listen to them, you just repeat what HooHoo says, of course he's gonna lie about the defeats.

And your info on the ratings is wrong. Stop listening to the liar and do your own research. LoL. Typical Howard brainwashed zombie.

Are you ready for this little nugget of information? Here it comes! Sirius deactivation is up 320% since last year. Bwahahaha!

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ENTRIES:
Short films, live action or animated, up to 5 minutes in length based on a topic related to The Howard Stern Show. All entries are subject to the Official Rules.

OFFICIAL RULES: Can be read and downloaded at www.Howard.TV

ENTRY DEADLINE:
April 11th, 2006. Deadline is date RECEIVED, not postmarked. Late entries will not be accepted.

SUBMISSIONS:
• All work for consideration must be submitted on DVD. VHS also accepted but not preferred.
• Follow the directions found at www.howard.tv including complete rules, official submission form, and participant affidavit.
• Place DVD in a standard commercial DVD case. Please be sure to include your name, contact information (address and phone number (with area code), short film title, and the running time on the spine of the DVD packaging and the DVD itself.
• Mail DVD or VHS along with completed submission form and participant affidavit in a bubble-pack envelope (collectively, the “entry”) to: Howard Stern Film Festival, c/o iN DEMAND NETWORKS, 345 Hudson St., 17th Fl., New York, NY 10014 (“Sponsor”).
• Entries must be received by April 11, 2006 to be eligible.


PRIZES:
$25,000 in cash prizes, press exposure for the finalists, and winning films will be aired on Howard TV On Demand and at the festival in NYC on April 27, 2006.

AWARDS:
• 1st place – $15,000
• 2nd place – $7,500
• 3rd place – $2,500


JUDGES:
Howard Stern, select cast members, industry professionals and other “distinguished” judges.

THE AWARDS SHOW:
Thursday, April 27 2006 in New York City

SEE IT ALL:
The Awards Show & The Winning Films The finalists and winning entries will be seen on Howard TV: Howard’s On Demand Channel as of April 28, 2006.

OPIE AND ANTHONY VIDEO CONTEST
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# Here's the deal: Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to create a short video or animation (no more than 3 minutes in length) based around the cast and crew of the Opie and Anthony Show. Get creative. Get Silly.
# The best entries will be hosted in our DOWNLOAD SECTION, and the winner will be announced on December 15th, 2006.
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DEADLINE: Howard Stern Film Festival Call For Entries
by Doug Goodstein, Executive Producer Howard TV
If you’re an aspiring filmmaker or think you’ve got what it takes to make a great Howard Stern related/themed short film, here’s your chance to prove it!

ENTRIES:
Short films, live action or animated, up to 5 minutes in length based on a topic related to The Howard Stern Show. All entries are subject to the Official Rules.

OFFICIAL RULES: Can be read and downloaded at www.Howard.TV

ENTRY DEADLINE:
April 11th, 2006. Deadline is date RECEIVED, not postmarked. Late entries will not be accepted.

SUBMISSIONS:
• All work for consideration must be submitted on DVD. VHS also accepted but not preferred.
• Follow the directions found at www.howard.tv including complete rules, official submission form, and participant affidavit.
• Place DVD in a standard commercial DVD case. Please be sure to include your name, contact information (address and phone number (with area code), short film title, and the running time on the spine of the DVD packaging and the DVD itself.
• Mail DVD or VHS along with completed submission form and participant affidavit in a bubble-pack envelope (collectively, the “entry”) to: Howard Stern Film Festival, c/o iN DEMAND NETWORKS, 345 Hudson St., 17th Fl., New York, NY 10014 (“Sponsor”).
• Entries must be received by April 11, 2006 to be eligible.


PRIZES:
$25,000 in cash prizes, press exposure for the finalists, and winning films will be aired on Howard TV On Demand and at the festival in NYC on April 27, 2006.

AWARDS:
• 1st place – $15,000
• 2nd place – $7,500
• 3rd place – $2,500


JUDGES:
Howard Stern, select cast members, industry professionals and other “distinguished” judges.

THE AWARDS SHOW:
Thursday, April 27 2006 in New York City

SEE IT ALL:
The Awards Show & The Winning Films The finalists and winning entries will be seen on Howard TV: Howard’s On Demand Channel as of April 28, 2006.
Well thank you sr. I told you those two suck asses are followers. They steal ideas and pass them off as thier own. People who fal for thier BS are too funny. You can say all day they are funny which I don't have problem with but don't tell they are original and cutting egde. They are two loser followers.

Here are the O&A ratings-

12+) 1.6 - down from a 2.2 in the summer.

(persons 25-54) 2.4 - down from 3.1 in the summer.

(18-34) 3.1 - down from 4.1 in the summer.

(men 25-54) 3.9 - down from 5.0 in the summer

http://www.nydailynews.com/01-10-2007/news/gossip/story/487259p-410201c.html

Chicago-

The only morning show doing worse is WCKG's latest replacement for Howard Stern -- the syndicated duo of Gregg "Opie" Hughes and Anthony Cumia. They're faring no better than Shane "Rover" French, who lasted only seven months here.
0.08

Philadelphia,

WYSP, Summer: 1.9, in 19th place
WYSP, Fall: 2.2, in 18th place

those are the facts.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/cringehumor/remission.jpg
I knew this one too zero because I actually read it in the paper. First they completely screwed paying XM customers and then they can't get a rating because they are big loser thieves. Again NOT original in anyway.

I'm a Stern fan since 1987. And it's true, the show is not the same as before. It's BETTER! Why you say? FREEDOM! Let me expand.

ANYTHING can be said, done, tolerated, (to an EXTREME point), than ever before. That alone makes the show better. The FCC (F-cin Crooked Cops), have no hold what so ever. Again, making the show better. O&A had that same freedom in XM. So what happened? 2 words. No talent. IF that show was any good, it should've eaten Sirius for breakfast.
So, what happened? Why did O&A go to K-rock? With scary talent as those two, why K-rock?
I don't know. I really don't. Maybe someone from the O&A army can explain it to me. Please tell.
I wish O&A all the luck they can get. They have families and bills to pay. I'm not against anyone trying to make a living. But if this downward spiral continues, their days may be numbered.

Does Howard have the vibe, energy, forte, as before? No. Is the show more intriging, courageous? Absolutely!

All hail the King.... All Hail Mr Stern....

You all can argue his show all day, but the numbers of subscribers he has drawn, and continues to draw, is amazing and speaks for itself. 600,000 to 6Million in 1 year, and with Howard being the #1 most listened to show on Sirius....... You do the math....




1. It is IMPOSSIBLE for XM or Sirius to know which show is #1, or which channel is most listened to.

2. 600k to 6 million and its ALL from Howard huh? Wouldnt be someone who just wants to listen to music? You believe HooHoo when he says its all him huh? insane.

I'm a Stern fan since 1987. And it's true, the show is not the same as before. It's BETTER! Why you say? FREEDOM! Let me expand.

ANYTHING can be said, done, tolerated, (to an EXTREME point), than ever before. That alone makes the show better. The FCC (F-cin Crooked Cops), have no hold what so ever. Again, making the show better. O&A had that same freedom in XM. So what happened? 2 words. No talent. IF that show was any good, it should've eaten Sirius for breakfast.
So, what happened? Why did O&A go to K-rock? With scary talent as those two, why K-rock?
I don't know. I really don't. Maybe someone from the O&A army can explain it to me. Please tell.
I wish O&A all the luck they can get. They have families and bills to pay. I'm not against anyone trying to make a living. But if this downward spiral continues, their days may be numbered.

Does Howard have the vibe, energy, forte, as before? No. Is the show more intriging, courageous? Absolutely!

They went to free FM cause they're the best talent available...free FM had to go to satellite to get the talent. They also do a show on XM afterwards and all the free ad's on FreeFM its a no brainer.

In fact, Howard Stern put a gag order on O&A when they were on afternoons in NYC. WHY? Cause Howard, as said on Hannity, was afraid of their talent. :p

Well thank you sr. I told you those two suck asses are followers. They steal ideas and pass them off as thier own. People who fal for thier BS are too funny. You can say all day they are funny which I don't have problem with but don't tell they are original and cutting egde. They are two loser followers.


Alright calm down...just a little convo here.....

I breathe, so am I copying off of you too? O&A are doing a green screen contest and this is copying? It just cant be a same idea huh? How about Howard copying a comedy tour (like the group he had in SF?) off of O&A's comedy tour (which set all the sales records last summer) ???
Howard copies too then.

In fact, shouldnt you be listening to his show right now....oh wait. He doesnt work Fridays.....in fact he doesnt work for 12 weeks a year....yeah....great motiviation. Keep watching those subs fall.

oh boy... dont say i didnt warn you.

oh boy... dont say i didnt warn you.

Everyone can bash O&A but I cant defend myself?

Guys... play nice in this thread. We've had to suspend a lot of members this week and I would hate to have to add to the list.

Kyser

I'm playing nice. Whenever I speak I get threatended with a ban for going off topic, but they can talk O&A all he wants and not get in trouble?

if you saw an all hail king stern, it doesnt mean you can come in and bash away Stern.... listen thats call threadcrapping...

like i said... open up a O&A thread and talk all you want about it....but dont come in here and start an argument and bash .....

defend in your thread when u open one about o&a but dont come in a Stern thread and bash Stern.....

but dont say i didnt warn you..

thanks Kyser....

anyways... i heard a replay of the Gary Roast the other day... man was Colin Quinn good... just why isnt his shows as good as his roasting abilities


also who here thinks will be roasted next?

Fine I'll start a new thread....take a look back at JH's and mercury's posts though. Just because I agrue against you doenst mean you overlook them too. Equal treatment. Thats all.

good job zerohour.... glad you listened...

so... will Howard do another roast or not?

Stern has been on fire lately. So has Bubba. Artie rocks. I've never been so giddy about consumer electronics like this ever before.

The prelude and post reports of Bubba's wedding have been amazing entertainment.

I think they'll roast Robin next.

Everyone can bash O&A but I cant defend myself?

Get used to it, it's not worth fighting with message board people-- just keep listening to the better show and don't worry about the "zombies". They are here just to pick fights and watch themselves type. I learned my lesson, just let it go.

They are paying $13/mo. for a show that's not living up to the "revolution" and takes off more days than you can imagine and O&A are free again for a lot of listeners and do great radio 5 days a week on XM til 11:15 and beyond including things like audible downloads every day, live paltalk studio cams-- actually "revolutionary" stuff for a radio show...

Which fan do you think would be bitter in this case?

I thought so...

So just let it go, the boys will be fine even without us "defending" them in here.

This is my first, and last, post on this topic on these forums. This stuff is for wackbag and SFN IMO.

Get used to it, it's not worth fighting with message board people-- just keep listening to the better show and don't worry about the "zombies". They are here just to pick fights and watch themselves type. I learned my lesson, just let it go.

They are paying $13/mo. for a show that's not living up to the "revolution" and takes off more days than you can imagine and O&A are free again for a lot of listeners and do great radio 5 days a week on XM til 11:15 and beyond including things like audible downloads every day, live paltalk studio cams-- actually "revolutionary" stuff for a radio show...

Which fan do you think would be bitter in this case?

I thought so...

So just let it go, the boys will be fine even without us "defending" them in here.

This is my first, and last, post on this topic on these forums. This stuff is for wackbag and SFN IMO.


as the great Artie Lang would say " Waaaaaaaa"

They went to free FM cause they're the best talent available...free FM had to go to satellite to get the talent. They also do a show on XM afterwards and all the free ad's on FreeFM its a no brainer.

In fact, Howard Stern put a gag order on O&A when they were on afternoons in NYC. WHY? Cause Howard, as said on Hannity, was afraid of their talent. :p

The real reason free FM went to get O&A is because they were desperate. They fired DLRoth, without giving him a chance BTW, to fill in the "stern" spot. Not because their antics and talent were too hard to pass up. But they desperately needed to get another "stern" act. They failed. And they're bleeding badly.

Get your facts straight. I read and watched NY media.

Get used to it, it's not worth fighting with message board people-- just keep listening to the better show and don't worry about the "zombies". They are here just to pick fights and watch themselves type. I learned my lesson, just let it go.

They are paying $13/mo. for a show that's not living up to the "revolution" and takes off more days than you can imagine and O&A are free again for a lot of listeners and do great radio 5 days a week on XM til 11:15 and beyond including things like audible downloads every day, live paltalk studio cams-- actually "revolutionary" stuff for a radio show...

Which fan do you think would be bitter in this case?

I thought so...

So just let it go, the boys will be fine even without us "defending" them in here.

This is my first, and last, post on this topic on these forums. This stuff is for wackbag and SFN IMO.
I'd say the guy who wrote this sounds bitter.

I'd say the guy who wrote this sounds bitter.
It's O&A who are bitter and their listeners tend to inherit that attitude.

The fact remains that no matter how "revolutionary" their show is, they still cannot attract a tiny fraction of Stern's former audience, and in satellite radio, they are not helping lure new subscribers to XM.

As for Stern, if you count up the number of hours O&A are on the air per week, minus the LOOONG commercial breaks they now take, Stern has them beat, even taking off every Friday. He's on from 6AM past 11AM every day with less than 10 minutes of commercials per hour. And his show has never been better.

It will be quite interesting if XM and Sirius do merge one day. Can you imagine O&A working for the same company as Stern? Naaaaahhhhh...

LOL.... tell me about it...

oh well...

If you post an anti-stern message on a "All hail King Stern" thread, you should expect to be treated in that way. And don't throw out bs statistics like a "320% increase in deactivation". For that to be true, it only had to be 32 this year compared to 10. Which is nothing compared the number that signed on. So if you have real numbers, throw them out. (82.2% of statistics are made up, anyway).

Besides that, if you like O&A, listen to them. I paid for a new year of Sirius because I enjoy the show. Enough said. And there are a lot like me. And Howard doesn't have to come up with something "new", because it has been good since the start.

See, now look at all the replies I just got.

It will be quite interesting if XM and Sirius do merge one day. Can you imagine O&A working for the same company as Stern? Naaaaahhhhh...

AHH, another one that needs to be PUT TO REST.

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/fcc-chairman-says-rules-ban-satellite-radio-merger.html

i am actually happy they didnt do the merger..... i like Stern on Sirius and for him to mix it up with the competition would be so good...

A merger would be a bad idea if you ask me and the FCC probably would let it happen anyway. It would in affect create a monopoly. Stay separate and see who survives in which I think they both can survive but that just me.

Fine I'll start a new thread....take a look back at JH's and mercury's posts though. Just because I agrue against you doenst mean you overlook them too. Equal treatment. Thats all.


I warned you.... :)... Oh and here's another warning. You won't get equal treatment. :) :)

AHH, another one that needs to be PUT TO REST.

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/fcc-chairman-says-rules-ban-satellite-radio-merger.html


Old news X...1 day later the very same man said a merger was possible if XM and Sirius petitioned the FCC to change the rules..


NEW YORK, Jan 18 (Reuters) - U.S. Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin said on Thursday a rule that bars XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. (XMSR.O: Quote, Profile , Research) and Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. (SIRI.O: Quote, Profile , Research) from merging could be altered, if requested.

Martin, speaking to Reuters on the sidelines of a conference in New York, said he was not aware of any request to change the rule on satellite radio licensing ownership, which currently prohibits one entity from owning both licenses.

He said he was not aware of any request to change the rule, and declined to comment on the specifics of any potential satellite radio merger.

Old news X...1 day later the very same man said a merger was possible if XM and Sirius petitioned the FCC to change the rules..


NEW YORK, Jan 18 (Reuters) - U.S. Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin said on Thursday a rule that bars XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. (XMSR.O: Quote, Profile , Research) and Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. (SIRI.O: Quote, Profile , Research) from merging could be altered, if requested.

Martin, speaking to Reuters on the sidelines of a conference in New York, said he was not aware of any request to change the rule on satellite radio licensing ownership, which currently prohibits one entity from owning both licenses.

He said he was not aware of any request to change the rule, and declined to comment on the specifics of any potential satellite radio merger.

Still not likely at all. I see this as a move to try and recover the stock losses that occured because of the comments.

In all reality, the licenses could be indeed be transferred to a bigger company like Viacom or whatever as an example-- just not to each other, which would create a monopoly.

I don't think anyone is saying the rules couldn't be changed or the licenses couldn't be sold or moved-- it's just that 1 company can't own them both.

Maybe whoopie is a better talent,she did just beat O&A in the ratings

Talk about needing to cite your sources! First, satellite radio doesn't have ratings, but if they did, Eric Logan (VP Programming, XM) announced last month that O&A's channel is offically #1 on the platform. Unless ofcourse you're only talking about FM, and well, that's not what this forum is about now is it?

Maybe you should visit the New York Radio Message Board??

Talk about needing to cite your sources! First, satellite radio doesn't have ratings, but if they did, Eric Logan (VP Programming, XM) announced last month that O&A's channel is offically #1 on the platform. Unless ofcourse you're only talking about FM, and well, that's not what this forum is about now is it?

Maybe you should visit the New York Radio Message Board??


I deleted my post because i really did not want to get into this...

of course im talking FM....and who gives a crap what eric logan says.he can say anything he wants.XM has been getting crushed by sirius ever since stern came aboard,what else is there to say.

Iv been listening to O&A the past couple days(FM)and all they do is repeat bits,Caruso,the water death it lasts for hours and goes on for days then gets boring.
even the Wackbags are starting to complain about the show....

Love stern or hate him the man delivers the goods.
like i said,
It's time for O&A to put up,get the ratings and help turn XM around.

O&A can no longer hide behind stern!

http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/files/xm3_476.jpg

XM has been getting crushed by sirius

help turn XM around.


You do realize that since both companies engaged in this 'spending spree' they have both been getting crushed and thats why they, mostly Sirius, are begging for this merger.

You do realize that since both companies engaged in this 'spending spree' they have both been getting crushed and thats why they, mostly Sirius, are begging for this merger.


i disagree. They are both spending a ton, yes. They both have finally turned a profit this last quarter and Sirius would love a merger cuz it knocks XM off the market. I think the heads of Sirius would eventually run the merging entity, if it were to happen. XM is reeling with Howard and Nascar both on Sirius. Also to add, if it wasnt for that GM contract XM has, it would be GAME OVER for XM.

Howard's done. His show is the same thing everyday, he just doenst have it like he did in the 80's and 90's. Thats why I left Sirius for XM.... boring shows on Howard. He got the big payday already so whats his motivation? Exactly. The show (when its actually live) SUCKS now.

Go with XM and try out O & A. Fresh and different, they actually do a unique show thats very very funny. I mean how many times can you listen to sex on the radio Howard? *sigh* its time to retire.


And what a stand up character you are. You come in here and push your weight around like some bully but as soon as people stand up you run to an O&A message board looking for reinforcements. Pathetic!

The O&A effect can easily be judged.

O&A went to XM first, as a PREMIUM channel. How many subscribers did they get? How well did THAT work?

If HS had chosen XM, you can bet that his channels would have been a premium as well. However, he did not.

Did O&A affect the XM subscriber numbers in the same manner that HS affected SIRIUS? I doubt it. The NYC FM ratings are nowhere near what they were with Stern, and they probably never will be.

When O&A get their own two XM channels, then we can start a comparison. (Oh yeah, when they also have a #1 movie and a #1 book and a #1 CD....................)

You do realize that since both companies engaged in this 'spending spree' they have both been getting crushed and thats why they, mostly Sirius, are begging for this merger.
It is true, financially, both companies are losing tons of money.

But you cannot argue with the subscriber growth numbers. Stern helped Sirius grow subscribers by nearly 1000% last year. XM didn't come close.

Anyone who says it's the "same old show" clearly has not been listening. The show now is much better than it has been for the last few years, when Janet Jackson's nipple forced them into a shell.

It's pretty interesting how O&A fans are so combative about Stern. If you like their show, and don't mind 3 hours of breaks every day, then listen. I find the show is actually funny about 10% of the time (mostly thanks to Jim Norton), annoying for 60%, and infantile for the remaining 30%. I also choose to turn off Stern when he has porn stars and other sex-themed content (which isn't nearly as often as many would have you believe). It's just entertainment. Make your choice, and be happy.

wow sirious has really grown since I'd looked at the sat radio numbers. so who's the bigger company right now? (some said xm still is, is that right?) and who's gonna not go out of business? I want to buy a new sat radio and a subscription so bad right now but i'm scared that one's gonna go out of business. and my luck it would be the one that I buy and then have useless equipment, plus the fact that if I get it for me then I got to get it for the wife so that's double the price. and I read that they can never merge due to it would be a monopoly and the govt is not gonna allow that. also, not sure of all the fighting with people on this thread but to me sounds like some people like the howard stern show (sirious) but dont like the opie and anthony show (xm) and vice-versa but does that make or break the companies?

I've heard both shows and they are both good in their own respect imo. howard does great interviews and gives his opinions on things happening. and he got hot chicks naked on the old tv show :). also he was on letterman not too long ago and if I recall gave everyone in the audience a free sirious radio dressed as santa which was cool. however agreeing with someone earlier in the thread he's not really a comedian anymore like he used to be, so you dont really laugh at what he says. but I dont think you listen to him for laugh's anymore like the ole' days. he has become more "distinguished" as he's gotten to be an older gentleman. not sure if "distinguished" is the right word to describe him, lol he still does say some gross things, but anyway hopefully you get my point on him. and dont get me wrong he still throws some good wisecracks in every now and then but he's not the same personality he used to be when he was younger. but as we all know age is a b*tch and there aint no escaping it :). so on the other hand when I've gotten to hear the opie and anthony show I've laughed pretty much every time. but I think they're more comedic in their approach to doing a show. they're younger & fresher and relate to that 18-35 male demo as far as what we would find funny (I fit in there). not sure how they do at interviews dont think I've heard them do a real one. and not sure about the hot naked chicks either :). but everytime I've heard them I've laughed my butt off. one of them does impressions and he's really funny. btw, that same guy did a howard impression as well and it was really good and very funny. so that's my take on the 2 shows, they're each good at what they aim for. if I want to hear funny comments/jokes and side splitting radio bits, I'd listen to the opie and anthony show. and if I wanted to hear talk radio that's interesting and has a share of comedy as well I'd listen to howard stern. (I know that sirious has other shows that are that are supposed to be actual comedy shows, but I've never heard them so cant comment) and not to say that the opie and anthony show is not interesting but they're just hysterical guys to me.

now someone here is trying to say that whether or not these 2 companies make it depends on 2 of the on-air talents? so if stern sucks then sirious is gonna go under? or if opie and anthony quit being funny then xm will go under? um, arent there a lot of other channels/shows/personalities to listen to on both? I just cant see the future of either company being solely dependent on one particular aspect of their programming. companies this large arent stupid enough to put all their eggs in one basket. I see the Stern show has brought a lot of people on board but in the long run I'm sure that's got to taper off. so other things that sirious offers will help carry them and the same thing for xm. I'm just waiting a bit longer to make sure that one of them doesnt go into the toilet before I make a decision on which to get in the future and that's if something else better doesnt come along :).

wow sirious has really grown since I'd looked at the sat radio numbers. so who's the bigger company right now? (some said xm still is, is that right?) and who's gonna not go out of business? I want to buy a new sat radio and a subscription so bad right now but i'm scared that one's gonna go out of business. and my luck it would be the one that I buy and then have useless equipment, plus the fact that if I get it for me then I got to get it for the wife so that's double the price. and I read that they can never merge due to it would be a monopoly and the govt is not gonna allow that. also, not sure of all the fighting with people on this thread but to me sounds like some people like the howard stern show (sirious) but dont like the opie and anthony show (xm) and vice-versa but does that make or break the companies?

I've heard both shows and they are both good in their own respect imo. howard does great interviews and gives his opinions on things happening. and he got hot chicks naked on the old tv show :). also he was on letterman not too long ago and if I recall gave everyone in the audience a free sirious radio dressed as santa which was cool. however agreeing with someone earlier in the thread he's not really a comedian anymore like he used to be, so you dont really laugh at what he says. but I dont think you listen to him for laugh's anymore like the ole' days. he has become more "distinguished" as he's gotten to be an older gentleman. not sure if "distinguished" is the right word to describe him, lol he still does say some gross things, but anyway hopefully you get my point on him. and dont get me wrong he still throws some good wisecracks in every now and then but he's not the same personality he used to be when he was younger. but as we all know age is a b*tch and there aint no escaping it :). so on the other hand when I've gotten to hear the opie and anthony show I've laughed pretty much every time. but I think they're more comedic in their approach to doing a show. they're younger & fresher and relate to that 18-35 male demo as far as what we would find funny (I fit in there). not sure how they do at interviews dont think I've heard them do a real one. and not sure about the hot naked chicks either :). but everytime I've heard them I've laughed my butt off. one of them does impressions and he's really funny. btw, that same guy did a howard impression as well and it was really good and very funny. so that's my take on the 2 shows, they're each good at what they aim for. if I want to hear funny comments/jokes and side splitting radio bits, I'd listen to the opie and anthony show. and if I wanted to hear talk radio that's interesting and has a share of comedy as well I'd listen to howard stern. (I know that sirious has other shows that are that are supposed to be actual comedy shows, but I've never heard them so cant comment) and not to say that the opie and anthony show is not interesting but they're just hysterical guys to me.

now someone here is trying to say that whether or not these 2 companies make it depends on 2 of the on-air talents? so if stern sucks then sirious is gonna go under? or if opie and anthony quit being funny then xm will go under? um, arent there a lot of other channels/shows/personalities to listen to on both? I just cant see the future of either company being solely dependent on one particular aspect of their programming. companies this large arent stupid enough to put all their eggs in one basket. I see the Stern show has brought a lot of people on board but in the long run I'm sure that's got to taper off. so other things that sirious offers will help carry them and the same thing for xm. I'm just waiting a bit longer to make sure that one of them doesnt go into the toilet before I make a decision on which to get in the future and that's if something else better doesnt come along :).


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They both have finally turned a profit this last quarter and Sirius would love a merger cuz it knocks XM off the market.

Neither are NO WHERE near profitability. Where on Earth did you get that idea????

Both achieved positive cash flow the last quarter, but thats NOT profitability, thats not even close to profitability. Sirius alone is going to show about a 1.2 billion $ lose for 2006. Sirius is pushing for a merger because they won't turn a profit until at least 2010, and thats only if things go 'well'. And who knows if Sirius can hold on that long.


But you cannot argue with the subscriber growth numbers. Stern helped Sirius grow subscribers by nearly 1000% last year.

Rave, I've never denied Stern has brought Sirius a ton of subs. But at what cost? It looks like Sirius paid Stern about 380 million in 2006, add the NFL money, plus NBA, etc. and Sirius is paying out a ton of money for these contracts. 2006 was a disappointing year for both sat radio companies, the competition from Ipods, etc. is cutting into their subs big time.

Sirius expenses are huge, and they are no where near making a profit, plus their technology isn't as good as XM's. XM is getting killed in the retail market by Sirius, plus even though XM is in better shape financially they are far from being out of the woods.

If you look closely you can see why both companies want/need a merger.

Neither are NO WHERE near profitability. Where on Earth did you get that idea????

Both achieved positive cash flow the last quarter, but thats NOT profitability, thats not even close to profitability. Sirius alone is going to show about a 1.2 billion $ lose for 2006. Sirius is pushing for a merger because they won't turn a profit until at least 2010, and thats only if things go 'well'. And who knows if Sirius can hold on that long.




Rave, I've never denied Stern has brought Sirius a ton of subs. But at what cost? It looks like Sirius paid Stern about 380 million in 2006, add the NFL money, plus NBA, etc. and Sirius is paying out a ton of money for these contracts. 2006 was a disappointing year for both sat radio companies, the competition from Ipods, etc. is cutting into their subs big time.

Sirius expenses are huge, and they are no where near making a profit, plus their technology isn't as good as XM's. XM is getting killed in the retail market by Sirius, plus even though XM is in better shape financially they are far from being out of the woods.

If you look closely you can see why both companies want/need a merger.
Ya know you act like and try to convince everyone you are not partisan but its bullshit. Every chance you get you rip Sirius and rarely rip XM. So you are not equal in your assaults even though you clam to not care about either. There is no evidence at all the Sirius is pushing for a Merger for any reason. Everything is on there side as far programming goes. If anyone is begging for a merger its XM and those two losers O&A who have done nothing for XM. Also just declare your rooting for and probably subscribe to XM ok because your BS is showing.

Ya know you act like and try to convince everyone you are not partisan but its bullshit. Every chance you get you rip Sirius and rarely rip XM. So you are not equal in your assaults even though you clam to not care about either. There is no evidence at all the Sirius is pushing for a Merger for any reason. Everything is on there side as far programming goes. If anyone is begging for a merger its XM and those two losers O&A who have done nothing for XM. Also just declare your rooting for and probably subscribe to XM ok because your BS is showing.

J.H. as usual you're dead wrong, and it's amazing how you're wrong ALL THE TIME.

There's no evidence Sirius is pushing for a merger huh? Mel Karmazin, you remember him right? He's mentioned it time after time since LAST SUMMER. When the CEO mentions a merger every couple of weeks for months the best guess is he's interested in a merger.

And yes subscribe to XM, and no I've never ONCE listened to O&A, so please leave me out of this childish war you Stern and O&A fans get into every few weeks here.

In this very thread I said XM is getting killed in the retail market and not doing well financially either, and if you do a search you'll see I've ripped XM many times here. Especially concerning their spending practices. So you can put that BS away.

Awhile ago you wrote here that you don't care if Sirius ever makes money, as long as the stay in business so you can continue to hear Stern. That statement proves you have NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about, and your post today proves you haven't learned a thing.

J.H. as usual you're dead wrong, and it's amazing how you're wrong ALL THE TIME.

There's no evidence Sirius is pushing for a merger huh? Mel Karmazin, you remember him right? He's mentioned it time after time since LAST SUMMER. When the CEO mentions a merger every couple of weeks for months the best guess is he's interested in a merger.

And yes subscribe to XM, and no I've never ONCE listened to O&A, so please leave me out of this childish war you Stern and O&A fans get into every few weeks here.

In this very thread I said XM is getting killed in the retail market and not doing well financially either, and if you do a search you'll see I've ripped XM many times here. Especially concerning their spending practices. So you can put that BS away.

Awhile ago you wrote here that you don't care if Sirius ever makes money, as long as the stay in business so you can continue to hear Stern. That statement proves you have NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about, and your post today proves you haven't learned a thing.
You are dead wrong and its amazing how your aften you are wrong. just because Mel mentioned a merger a few times doesn't mean anything. It might have been to raise stock prices,might have been to tweak Xm and thier subs,it might have been to get the name Sirius in the headlines again. there is no evidence that Sirius serously pushed for any kind of merger. You are the BS artist here. There no evidence of any of this. You take pride in ripping Sirius more and thats the truth.

A few times huh? No evidence huh? From a week ago:

Sirius-XM merger makes sense
Sirius CEO Mel Karmazin reiterates that consolidation in the satellite radio industry could happen, defends Howard Stern bonus.
By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com editor at large
January 10 2007: 5:56 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The chief executive officer of Sirius Satellite Radio told investors Wednesday that he would be open to a combination with his company's top rival, XM Satellite Radio.

Mel Karmazin, speaking at Citigroup's annual entertainment, media and telecommunications conference in Las Vegas, said that a merger between Sirius (Charts) and XM (Charts) could be in the best interests of both companies.

It's been a volatile year for shares of Sirius and XM, but both stocks have rallied recently on renewed hopes that the two will merge.
"One way you can create shareholder value is through consolidation, particularly in a fragmented industry like radio," he said. "Conceptually a deal makes sense and you could add value from synergies."

Speculation has run rampant on Wall Street about a possible deal, and that has helped to lift the stock prices of both companies in recent weeks. Shares of Sirius gained more than 7 percent Wednesday, while XM's stock rose more than 10 percent.

A few times huh? No evidence huh? From a week ago:

Sirius-XM merger makes sense
Sirius CEO Mel Karmazin reiterates that consolidation in the satellite radio industry could happen, defends Howard Stern bonus.
By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com editor at large
January 10 2007: 5:56 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The chief executive officer of Sirius Satellite Radio told investors Wednesday that he would be open to a combination with his company's top rival, XM Satellite Radio.

Mel Karmazin, speaking at Citigroup's annual entertainment, media and telecommunications conference in Las Vegas, said that a merger between Sirius (Charts) and XM (Charts) could be in the best interests of both companies.

It's been a volatile year for shares of Sirius and XM, but both stocks have rallied recently on renewed hopes that the two will merge.
"One way you can create shareholder value is through consolidation, particularly in a fragmented industry like radio," he said. "Conceptually a deal makes sense and you could add value from synergies."

Speculation has run rampant on Wall Street about a possible deal, and that has helped to lift the stock prices of both companies in recent weeks. Shares of Sirius gained more than 7 percent Wednesday, while XM's stock rose more than 10 percent.
Thhis doesn't mean as you have mentioned that Mel is looking for a merger because they can't survive. Its just talk and who knows why their is talk. It doesn't mean Sirius is clamaring for a merger. Its just talk. You made it sound like Sirius can't survive and was in talk to give itself away to XM. Thats why you have credibility on this subject. just tell everyone you are an XM sub and move on.

By the way i'm no apologist for Sirius I could care less about their financial situation other than them staying in business. I don't care what Stern makes,Mel makes or Marthe Stewert makes either. Sirius does have issues that bother me so I'm not going sit here tell you how great they are either. They have technology issues for sure. Drop outs are annoying and I get them. Sometimes the signal is not as strong as it should be. Sirius has problems but one of them is not contecnt or programming. Thats thier best weapon here because the two losers O&A do not compare to Howard Stern.

Thats why you have credibility on this subject

I know I have credibility on this issue because I'm speaking from facts, not blind loyalty..



By the way i'm no apologist for Sirius I could care less about their financial situation other than them staying in business.

And on that note we'll let this subject drop...

I know I have credibility on this issue because I'm speaking from facts, not blind loyalty..





And on that note we'll let this subject drop...
Bling loyalty? Are you insane as well as a closet XM fan and sub? I just ripped them for thier awful technology and dropouts. You do not either know how to read and just won't read the posts. There still is no evidence that Mel was pushing for any real merger. It was just talk that had no teeth to it at all. They werent clamaring for any king of merger for fear they were going out of business as you have suggested. Who have 0 crediblility period. Now run along and listen to those two losers O&A on your nice new shiny XM radio and lifetime subscription that we all know you have!

Who saw THIS coming!

:)

Who saw THIS coming!

:)

I know, I know. Here I am warning other people about arguing with these lemming fans and then I argue instead. I need a drink, then a good beating for not taking my own advice... :)

For J.H.'s benefit...

Lemming: The act of following the crowd into an investment that will inevitably head for disaster.

J.H. I think your wrong about barbie845...she/he looks at sirius/xm from an investment point of view,while you or I look at it as great Radio;)with almost 14 million subs....

there's a difference!


while I hardly ever agree with barbie845 I know exactly where he/she is coming from.the books don't look pretty and the price paid for talent was too steep.

that said,I feel both will survive and turn out to be great investments.

yes barbie845 HATES stern but NEVER trashed the fact what stern brings to the table,numbers....barbie845 only trashed the price paid for those numbers.....

J.H. I think your wrong about barbie845...she/he looks at sirius/xm from an investment point of view,while you or I look at it as great Radio;)with almost 20 million subs....

there's a difference!


while I hardly ever agree with barbie845 I know exactly where he/she is coming from.the books don't look pretty and the price paid for talent was too steep.

that said,I feel both will survive and turn out to be great investments.

yes barbie845 HATES stern but NEVER trashed the fact what stern brings to the table,numbers....barbie845 only trashed the price paid for those numbers.....

Merc. I am pleasantly surprised and I Thank You for the kind words.

And I too hope BOTH survive, I would absolutely hate to go back to FM radio. I do not hate Sirius, I never have and I NEVER EVER TRASHED Sirius programming. My God I've recommended Sirius to some who posted on this forum.. It's a fine service. Yes I have trashed Sirius's AND XM's financial's. And yes I think Sirius is on shakier ground than XM is right now, but I've never given XM's management a pass on their stupid moves, they don't deserve a pass.

Mod please close this thread...... tired of this....

Mod please close this thread...... tired of this....

I'm sorry Raven, we should only discuss what YOU want to discuss from now on. My apologies. :rolleyes:

no just saying it before it gets out of hand.

what a noob.... note to self... i think fanboyism and threadcrapping isnt permitted. so please open up a O&A thread and praise your two gods...
Wake up, the starter of this thread, Merc, brought up O and A, so that opened it up for comment. And considering fanboyism, give me a break, look at the title of this thread, how much more of a fanboy could anyone be?
Now you want the thread closed? How about just not reading it.

Wake up, the starter of this thread, Merc, brought up O and A, so that opened it up for comment. And considering fanboyism, give me a break, look at the title of this thread, how much more of a fanboy could anyone be?
Now you want the thread closed? How about just not reading it.


Wrong Pat-

Barbie845 was the first to mention O&A by name(besides the article)...page 1.

and the title of this thread is the title of the article....Doh!

Well no actually Steelersrule was, then me, But in both cases there was no malicious intent involved, just a statement in passing. But if anyone starts a thread mentioning Stern, or O&A you can be sure a fight will break out. It's as certain as the sun rising tomorrow morning. :)

Wrong Pat-

Barbie845 was the first to mention O&A by name(besides the article)...page 1.

and the title of this thread is the title of the article....Doh!
Sorry, I should not have said "first". My point was it was your thread and you recently brought up O and A, so it would seem to be an open subject. As for the title, you're right, Doh! Oh well, jsut got back from China and am kinda jet lagged.

LOL.... you know what this is getting funny... continue

Neither are NO WHERE near profitability. Where on Earth did you get that idea????

Both achieved positive cash flow the last quarter, but thats NOT profitability, thats not even close to profitability. Sirius alone is going to show about a 1.2 billion $ lose for 2006. Sirius is pushing for a merger because they won't turn a profit until at least 2010, and thats only if things go 'well'. And who knows if Sirius can hold on that long.




Rave, I've never denied Stern has brought Sirius a ton of subs. But at what cost? It looks like Sirius paid Stern about 380 million in 2006, add the NFL money, plus NBA, etc. and Sirius is paying out a ton of money for these contracts. 2006 was a disappointing year for both sat radio companies, the competition from Ipods, etc. is cutting into their subs big time.

Sirius expenses are huge, and they are no where near making a profit, plus their technology isn't as good as XM's. XM is getting killed in the retail market by Sirius, plus even though XM is in better shape financially they are far from being out of the woods.

If you look closely you can see why both companies want/need a merger.


In any business, money makes money. Sirius wants to invest as much as possible even at a loss. It may or not work. But if the plan goes all steam ahead, Sirius MAY win even without the merger. Time will tell.

In any business, money makes money. Sirius wants to invest as much as possible even at a loss. It may or not work. But if the plan goes all steam ahead, Sirius MAY win even without the merger. Time will tell.

Very true. But IMHO the business plan XM and Sirius have been following the past 2-3 years is the same business plan the dot com companies of the 90's used. And we all know what happened to 95% of the dot com companies. Again IMHO!!

Very true. But IMHO the business plan XM and Sirius have been following the past 2-3 years is the same business plan the dot com companies of the 90's used. And we all know what happened to 95% of the dot com companies. Again IMHO!!

Your right, but dot com companies had no real value. A .com was VALUED at 1mill, but WORTH 2 cents.
Sirius and XM are REAL companies dooking it out for #1. ;)

O&A blow.

STERN rocks.

BUBBA rocks.

FA-FA-FA-FERRALL rocks.

NFL rocks.

OCTANE rocks.

Get SIRIUS bitches!

O&A blow.

STERN rocks.

BUBBA rocks.

FA-FA-FA-FERRALL rocks.

NFL rocks.

OCTANE rocks.

Get SIRIUS bitches!
Careful, Raven will be all over you for "fanboyism". Oh wait, he agrees with you so it's probably okay.

O&A blow.

STERN rocks.

BUBBA rocks.

FA-FA-FA-FERRALL rocks.

NFL rocks.

OCTANE rocks.

Get SIRIUS bitches!

Wow, very well throught out. Good points. You are a true maven.

Careful, Raven will be all over you for "fanboyism". Oh wait, he agrees with you so it's probably okay.


lol.... lets see praising howard stern and sirius in a thread that says "All Hail King Stern"


hmm...... now if this was an ALL Hail Xm or O&A..... would this be ok..... definitely not

I bet Incubus has all that written on every one of his school folders, as well as, the inside of his locker. :)

Do you see how good this thread got now? Now I can do something besides work. :)

LOL.... you know what this is getting funny... continue


OMG I agree with raven. :eek: See how smart I am...I make my own entertainment. ;) :D

LOL...bro.... u bad mouth us on another website forum and then you come back here to talk....

why?

I didnt bad mouth this site dude. Careful what you say, I have no intention of that at all, and you know this. Shame on you.

Shame on me?

lol... you said your intention.... why continue the escalation?

Shame on me?

lol... you said your intention.... why continue the escalation?

What are you talking about man? I'm just making CLEAR that I DID NOT BASH THIS SITE, you are not telling the truth on your post. Dont say I bashed this site, because I did not.

never said you bashed the site.... but you bashed us on that site.... big difference

You're gonna have to prove this, cause I dont recall ever bashing anything. Just Howard. I love this site and the advice of its members, I would never.

Ahh, forget it.

changing topics...


who here thinks the old tapes deserve their own channel?

Closing this...

Don't start a new one.

Kyser