http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/dvda/messages/26154.html

If it is Warner they will probably be Dual Disc :(

I'll wait and buy them as imports from Europe when they are released as CD/DVDA.

Good news but will have to wait and see.

No problem with DualDiscs here. This might be a good set and one of the few rock releases in DVD-A the second half of this year.

Chris

Sweet!
Been waiting for this news.
L.A. Woman was one of my first DVD-A purchases, back in the formats infancy.

Will be getting this, if its DVD-A.

If it is Warner they will probably be Dual Disc :(


They did 2 Flaming Lips, a whole bunch of REM and all of Seal's releases as CD+DVD-A. Has Warner Bros. made some official DualDisc-only announcement since then? While hardly a tragedy, that would be a bit of a drag, IMO.

Sweet!
Been waiting for this news.
L.A. Woman was one of my first DVD-A purchases, back in the formats infancy.
riders of the storm sounds great.

They did 2 Flaming Lips, a whole bunch of REM and all of Seal's releases as CD+DVD-A. Has Warner Bros. made some official DualDisc-only announcement since then? While hardly a tragedy, that would be a bit of a drag, IMO.

No Official announcement, but I guess it depends on which arm of Warner this is, how recent the release and in some long shot cases (haha) what the artists may want.

Rhino recently out with the Jesus/Mary Chain DualDiscs, the Talking Heads Brick DualDisc and the new Bjork Brick is DualDisc.

Warner did Dire Straits Brothers In Arms as DualDisc but that was a while ago in US. They also did a re-re-release :) of Grateful Dead American Beauty on DualDisc which is also still around as DVDA only. Eric Clapton, Back Home is DualDisc, also released by WEA - Warner. I'm pretty sure the Doors were on Elektra, which would probably be a WEA DualDisc re-release.. Only a guess on my part.

At any rate, I see more new releases by US labels in DualDisc these days, and I wait for any CD+DVDA sets that come around instead.

Warner did Dire Straits Brothers In Arms as DualDisc but that was a while ago in US. They also did a re-re-release :) of Grateful Dead American Beauty on DualDisc which is also still around as DVDA only.

I just got the DualDisc today and think it is great. I was never a fan of the original album although I consider it their best. This is a great job and if they do as well with the Doors music on DualDisc, it should be fine.

Chris

I saw on the Rhino Records website that they've got a Doors' remastered set coming out. Is this the same thing?

I just looked, but can't find the web page. Can you pls link to it ?

This doesn't offer much, but I had read about it somewhere else.

http://www.rhino.com/store/upcoming.lasso

I saw on the Rhino Records website that they've got a Doors' remastered set coming out. Is this the same thing?

No, it is different. The hi-res boxset will contain re-mastered editions of all of The Doors' studio albums. According to www.thedoors.com, the set will be availble in October for about $150.

More information.

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=15597242

Here's a picture of the box set :

http://www.raymanzarek.us/thedoors/box.jpg

It looks like it is going to be two discs per album - one remastered CD and one DVD-A. The DVD-A will have hi-res 5.1 and stereo, DTS, and DD.

The Doors website lists the price at $149 with a release date of November 21st:

http://messageboard.thedoors.com/index.php?showtopic=31271&st=0

My b-day is November 18th - I already know what I want.

I am definitely looking forward to this. I wonder what the cost will be?

I am definitely looking forward to this. I wonder what the cost will be?

The information I have seen is an MSRP of $150. I would guess on line discount price will be around $120.

Chris

The information I have seen is an MSRP of $150. I would guess on line discount price will be around $120.

Chris
Thanks Chris-I will be a buyer.

Hey there... first post here after reading for quite some time.

Anyways, I just wanted to say that this Doors set will be fantastic. I've been a Doors fan for a long time and I've been waiting for this DVD-A set for years. If you head over to the Doors official forum, there's a few discussions all about this set and the manager of The Doors has been posting all the info as it is avaliable.

The LA Woman dvd-a that is out now is outstanding and there's no doubt that the rest of the albums will follow suit- Bruce Botnick is a fantastic engineer. Just like the LA Woman disc, there will be new bits and pieces added to the songs, so in addition to the great clarity that the DVD Audio format enables, we'll also be hearing some "new" stuff.

I cant wait.

The set will be avaliable for pre-order on Thedoors(.)com sometime in September or possibly October. While the final details haven't been set, the manager is looking to toss in a few free downloads from the upcoming Doors Download service for those that preorder.

I just rec'd an advance copy of The Doors - Perception box set (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin). It's quite impressive! Alas, I didn't get the deluxe packaging, but I have all the CDs, DVD-As, liner notes, info, etc. If anyone has any Q's, shoot away.

As has been stated, hi-res DVD-A @ 96/24, folks! Each disc also includes Dolby Digital 5.1, 2.0 and DTS 5.1 options for DVD-Video players. Photo Galleries and Mobile Phone Ringtones are also included.

I've done a *very* quick browse thru the discs and the only disappointment is that the first album's surround tracks have only light ambience in the rears - not discrete at all. Not even "The End," which was a letdown, after hearing the more spacious mix in Apocalypse Now. The other albums were very clearly discrete surround. I'll double check and post back if otherwise.

Here's (http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showpost.php?p=50546&postcount=15) a tracklisting.

How's the overall sound quality? Also, is it possible to purchase any of the disks from this set separately?

Very, very good sound quality. Considering the vintage 1/2" 4-track on 4-track recording of the first album (Strange Days thru L.A. Woman were recorded on 1" 8-track), the audio is quite remarkable. Don't expect bombastic low-end, but this is the best the catalogue has ever sounded. In fact, after revisiting the original tracks, engineer Bruce Botnick discovered that the first album, "as it has existed on the street for the past 40 years, is running slow and off-key - flat to be exact." By almost a full half-step! Botnick continues in the liner notes, "what I determined was the following: when the album was mixed at Elektra studios in New York, either the 4-track playback recorder was running slow, or the stereo 2-track was running fast...What resulted is that the albums that are on the street, be they vinyl or CD, are playing back slow...so now, with the new mixes, you will hear the entire album at the correct speed and correct pitch..."

Have not heard anything about separate releases for each album; however, Rhino did just that with the Talking Heads, so we shall see...

How are the 2.0 remixes? Anything jump out like extra vocals, longer fades, etc? Also, how are the outtakes and alt takes?

Thanks!

Chris

How are the 2.0 remixes? Anything jump out like extra vocals, longer fades, etc? Also, how are the outtakes and alt takes?

Thanks!

Chris

The stereo mixes have been remixed as well? I thought it was all the original stereo mixes with new (obviously) 5.1 remixes?

Flexx,

On the subject of resolution, when you say 96/24, is that for both the stereo and surround? Is there any 192/24 or 176.4/24 stereo on there?

Yes, 96/24 for both stereo and surround.

Re: re-mixing for stereo...here's where it gets hairy...I'm not a huge Doors fan, so I don't have the original vinyl or anything to compare to. I did some A-B'ing of "The Doors" DVD-A and accompanying CD. The liner notes indicate stereo remixing, and the CD stereo mix does sound different to its hi-res stereo counterpart. The CD is duller, has a thicker low-end, and has about 3-4db less dynamic range (dynamically limited) than the hi-res stereo (i.e. the CD is LOUDER). The stereo layout of both are very similar, but I still think they are two different mixes; however, even on the stereo CD, Morrison says "she gets high" on "Break On Thru" so I'm not sure if the CD is also a remix (wasn't that lyric not present in the original 1967 mix?). I did not see more than one stereo option in the menu (not including the Dolby Digital stereo option for DVD-V players).

Just checked the liner notes more carefully. Botnick writes, "the new mixes are 100% complete and Jim now sings as recorded: 'She gets high.'"

So there you go. Not sure if every album is treated the same, but I am sure this will be a point of great discussion, and a point I don't know enough about.

This thread (http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=67175&highlight=track) may also be of interest re: the recording of the first album.

Yes, 96/24 for both stereo and surround.

Re: re-mixing for stereo...here's where it gets hairy...I'm not a huge Doors fan, so I don't have the original vinyl or anything to compare to. I did some A-B'ing of "The Doors" DVD-A and accompanying CD. The liner notes indicate stereo remixing, and the CD stereo mix does sound different to its hi-res stereo counterpart. The CD is duller, has a thicker low-end, and has about 3-4db less dynamic range (dynamically limited) than the hi-res stereo (i.e. the CD is LOUDER). The stereo layout of both are very similar, but I still think they are two different mixes; however, even on the stereo CD, Morrison says "she gets high" on "Break On Thru" so I'm not sure if the CD is also a remix (wasn't that lyric not present in the original 1967 mix?). I did not see more than one stereo option in the menu (not including the Dolby Digital stereo option for DVD-V players).

Just checked the liner notes more carefully. Botnick writes, "the new mixes are 100% complete and Jim now sings as recorded: 'She gets high.'"

So there you go. Not sure if every album is treated the same, but I am sure this will be a point of great discussion, and a point I don't know enough about.


Thanks for your time and effort. :) :cool: personally, I don't mind if the stereo is remixed as I am mainly interested in the high-res 5.1. I already have all the original CDs with the original mixes.


On a different topic, does anyone hvae any new news on when this is going to be available for pre-order?

The stereo mixes have been remixed as well? I thought it was all the original stereo mixes with new (obviously) 5.1 remixes?

Flexx,

On the subject of resolution, when you say 96/24, is that for both the stereo and surround? Is there any 192/24 or 176.4/24 stereo on there?

Each album on the box has 3 mixes. Original stereo, 2.0 remix (not a fold down of the 5.1) as well as the 5.1 remix.

Each album on the box has 3 mixes. Original stereo, 2.0 remix (not a fold down of the 5.1) as well as the 5.1 remix.

:cool: Thanks for the info. :)

Each album on the box has 3 mixes. Original stereo, 2.0 remix (not a fold down of the 5.1) as well as the 5.1 remix.
Chris, did you also receive an advance copy of the set? I only see DD 5.1 Surround, DTS 5.1 Surround, and Dolby Stereo (DVD-V players) and Advanced Resolution Surround and Advanced Resolution Stereo (DVD-A players) as the options in the "Audio Setup" menu. No third option for the original stereo mix (unless I'm really missing something or what I've rec'd is not the final product). They do look like the final deal, and they're DVD-9s (in the past, I've rec'd advance copies of concerts on two DVD-5s, indicating that the final version will have all the content on one disc).

Chris, did you also receive an advance copy of the set? I only see DD 5.1 Surround, DTS 5.1 Surround, and Dolby Stereo (DVD-V players) and Advanced Resolution Surround and Advanced Resolution Stereo (DVD-A players) as the options in the "Audio Setup" menu. No third option for the original stereo mix (unless I'm really missing something or what I've rec'd is not the final product). They do look like the final deal, and they're DVD-9s (in the past, I've rec'd advance copies of concerts on two DVD-5s, indicating that the final version will have all the content on one disc).

I don't have a copy but I'm told each album is represented by a DVD-A as well as a redbook CD. The remastered original mix should be on the redbook CD.

Thanks for your time and effort. :) On a different topic, does anyone hvae any new news on when this is going to be available for pre-order?

It's now up for preorder at CD Universe.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M

It's now up for preorder at CD Universe.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M


Thanks, but I pre-ordered one from them already. :D :cool:

EDIT: I actually cancelled my pre-order from CD Universe and ordered it from Amazon UK instead. Total charge including shipping and minus VAT from Amazon with today's exchange rate: $104. Total charge from Amazon USA: $149.98. CD Universe: ~$120.

Also, how are the outtakes and alt takes?
Wow...I'm just working my way thru these discs, and there's just a treasure trove..."Albinoni's Adagio In G Minor" (bonus track on Waiting For The Sun) is absolutely transcendant...I believe it's one of my fave Doors tracks now...cellos in the rear speakers...divine stuff.

Highlights from Strange Days...The title track is ghostly in its use of the surround sound space..."I Can't See Your Face In My Mind" sounds as if Morrison is sitting in front of you, crooning the lyrics...with the lights out, it's damn eerie (he's in the room with you!)...In fact Morrison's voice is perfectly reproduced. Nice low midrange captures his silky baritone. Thank God, they didn't roll off the low end to oblivion to seat his vox in the new mixes...this is perfect!

"Hello, I Love You" from Waiting For The Sun is a new experience. This one had been burnt out for me from all the plays on classic rock radio, but here, it's...unbelievable! I'm in love with it all over again!

A note on the mastering...about 4-5db more dynamic range than most new rock releases nowadays. Bless 'em!! The highs are also perfect, and not tweaked to sibilance. Perfect!

I'm just making my way thru the set...will take quite a while!

Wow...I'm just working my way thru these discs, and there's just a treasure trove..."Albinoni's Adagio In G Minor" (bonus track on Waiting For The Sun) is absolutely transcendant...I believe it's one of my fave Doors tracks now...cellos in the rear speakers...divine stuff.

Highlights from Strange Days...The title track is ghostly in its use of the surround sound space..."I Can't See Your Face In My Mind" sounds as if Morrison is sitting in front of you, crooning the lyrics...with the lights out, it's damn eerie (he's in the room with you!)...In fact Morrison's voice is perfectly reproduced. Nice low midrange captures his silky baritone. Thank God, they didn't roll off the low end to oblivion to seat his vox in the new mixes...this is perfect!

"Hello, I Love You" from Waiting For The Sun is a new experience. This one had been burnt out for me from all the plays on classic rock radio, but here, it's...unbelievable! I'm in love with it all over again!

A note on the mastering...about 4-5db more dynamic range than most new rock releases nowadays. Bless 'em!! The highs are also perfect, and not tweaked to sibilance. Perfect!

I'm just making my way thru the set...will take quite a while!

Do you know if the surround mix on L.A. Woman is the same as the previously released DVD-A, or is it a different mix? Also, are they using the same mastering for the L.A. Woman DVD-A in this set, or has it been remastered?

BTW, you're making me very jealous and anxious to have this set in my hands. :)

I don't have the orig DVD-A of L.A. Woman, but a friend of mine does. I'll try and do an A-B if time permits.

However...if I had to guess...the new release should include the same mix and mastering of the last DVD-A, with new menus and obviously new bonus tracks and videos.

"Re-mastered" these days usually means LOUDER (compressed dynamics), so it was a real pleasure to hear that this project was treated with a gentle hand.

I don't have the orig DVD-A of L.A. Woman, but a friend of mine does. I'll try and do an A-B if time permits. Thanks again. :) :cool:

However...if I had to guess...the new release should include the same mix and mastering of the last DVD-A, with new menus and obviously new bonus tracks and videos. So would I, although if anything were to change, I would more expect it to be the mastering than the mix.

"Re-mastered" these days usually means LOUDER (compressed dynamics), so it was a real pleasure to hear that this project was treated with a gentle hand.

This is so true. It doesn't just mean 'louder' either, it means maximised, compressed, peak limited, tweaked in the high frequencies, or 'smiley faced', and just downright awful sounding. :rolleyes: I'm glad to hear (no pun intended) The Doors box does not suffer from these tendencies and deficiencies. :)

hi a question we all want to ask is if you have an advanced copy of the box can you post one of the better outakes for us to hear on this board a sample thanks

I don't have the orig DVD-A of L.A. Woman, but a friend of mine does. I'll try and do an A-B if time permits.



Have you had a chance to compare the two?

hi a question we all want to ask is if you have an advanced copy of the box can you post one of the better outakes for us to hear on this board a sample thanks
I'd love to, but then the folks from Rhino would probably make me disappear.

My buddy who has the old DVD-A of L.A. Woman is coming over today. I'll remind him to bring his copy. However, I'm 99.9% sure the version in Perception has the same audio/mix.

IMy buddy who has the old DVD-A of L.A. Woman is coming over today. I'll remind him to bring his copy. However, I'm 99.9% sure the version in Perception has the same audio/mix.

You're probably correct. :)

So far, this has not shown up on the computer at any of the stores I shop at. Has the release date been moved up?

So far, this has not shown up on the computer at any of the stores I shop at. Has the release date been moved up?

http://www.amazon.com/Perception-Doors/dp/B000ILYYJE/sr=1-2/qid=1159808334/ref=sr_1_2/102-7885002-2104945?ie=UTF8&s=music

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Perception-40th-Anniversary-6cd-6dvda/dp/B000ILYYJE/sr=1-1/qid=1159808459/ref=sr_1_1/026-9282315-4074040?ie=UTF8&s=music

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=Doors&sc=artistSP&cp=1&sp=&qp=&list=n&usc=%A0-Album&nrp=15&iht=n

http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=35938&section=music

http://www.amazon.com/Perception-Doors/dp/B000ILYYJE/sr=1-2/qid=1159808334/ref=sr_1_2/102-7885002-2104945?ie=UTF8&s=music

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Perception-40th-Anniversary-6cd-6dvda/dp/B000ILYYJE/sr=1-1/qid=1159808459/ref=sr_1_1/026-9282315-4074040?ie=UTF8&s=music

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=Doors&sc=artistSP&cp=1&sp=&qp=&list=n&usc=%A0-Album&nrp=15&iht=n

http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=35938&section=music
The dumb@$$ salesman at Best Buy couldn't find it. The ones at Borders and Barnes & Noble couldn't either. I should have known. :D

The dumb@$$ salesman at Best Buy couldn't find it. The ones at Borders and Barnes & Noble couldn't either. I should have known. :D
:rolleyes: :D

My buddy who has the old DVD-A of L.A. Woman is coming over today. I'll remind him to bring his copy. However, I'm 99.9% sure the version in Perception has the same audio/mix.
Listened to the first two tracks today. Sounded exactly the same, as I thought. Mastering appeared the same as well - volume-wise; however, the hi-res stereo mastering on Perception appears to have about 3db more dynamic range than the hi-res stereo on the old DVD-A (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1096378&BAB=E&frm=lk_allspin) (i.e. the old stereo mix is LOUDER). I didn't measure it, but it sure sounded that way. Also, I did not see a stereo-only Dolby Digital option (for DVD-Video players) on the old DVD-A. Another thumbs up for the Perception box (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin)!

The dumb@$$ salesman at Best Buy couldn't find it. The ones at Borders and Barnes & Noble couldn't either. I should have known. :D

That Best Buy salesman couldn't find it because it isn't stocked in store. The sku is a BestBuy.com only sku.

I don't know Barnes and Noble's excuse.

Hi, any chance you could post a screen capture or two from the Crawling King Snake video?
Thanks.

Are the videos on the amazon UK version PAL?

Are the videos on the amazon UK version PAL?


If it is anything like the Talking Heads CD+DVD-A releases - which is highly likely considering they are both Rhino - I'm guessing they will be NTSC.

EDIT: I actually cancelled my pre-order from CD Universe and ordered it from Amazon UK instead. Total charge including shipping and minus VAT from Amazon with today's exchange rate: $104. Total charge from Amazon USA: $149.98. CD Universe: ~$120.

CDuniverse (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin) just lowered their price to $104.99 from $111 not too long ago. Good news if other vendors follow suit and prices continue to fall.

CDuniverse (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin) just lowered their price to $104.99 from $111 not too long ago. Good news if other vendors follow suit and prices continue to fall.

Amazon UK is still less expensive. The CD Universe price is before shipping.

Amazon UK is still less expensive. The CD Universe price is before shipping.

Does Amazon UK ship to the US? Do they accept paypal or google checkout? I have been wondering this in the last few days. There are many 5.1 discs that isn't available on US sites. Thanks,Eric

Does Amazon UK ship to the US?

Yes, they do. I have ordered from them many times in the past.

Do they accept paypal or google checkout?

I don't know, but you can check the website to find out:

http://www.amazon.co.uk

FYI,
the boxset is now available for pre-order on the thedoors.com website.
$124.95 plus shipping. More expensive than CD Universe BUT boxsets ordered from the doors site will be numbered up to 10,000 so I spent the extra 20 bucks what the hell.

this was kinda scary how they word this on the doors website...(i hope dts was an example and we also have DVD A...

Each of the six albums is presented with bonus audio – much of it previously unreleased – on a remastered CD with an additional DVD including a 5.1 DTS encoded Surround Sound mix of the album and additional tracks as well as a photo gallery, lyrics and discography, and two videos of songs from that album.

Yeah I saw that too and thought WFT? No mention of DVD-A.
But after reading all the posts from the people putting the set together who repeatedly confirmed that it was DVD-A 2channel,MC and lossy surround I'm not concerned.
Also someone earlier up in the thread is a reviewer, has pre-release set and confirmed the same.

Yeah I saw that too and thought WFT? No mention of DVD-A.
But after reading all the posts from the people putting the set together who repeatedly confirmed that it was DVD-A 2channel,MC and lossy surround I'm not concerned.
Also someone earlier up in the thread is a reviewer, has pre-release set and confirmed the same.

Also, when you look at the images of the box you can clearly see the DVD-A logo. It's high-res folks, fret not. :) ;)

Here's what High Fidelity Review says:

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=15597242

".......Each DVD-Audio disc will have:

* A 5.1 mix of the album, with new parts, and all alternates and outtakes also mixed in 5.1
* The "40th Anniversary Stereo Mix", with new parts
* The classic stereo mix, as you have always heard them, but in hi-resolution 96kHz 24-bit audio
* Videos (stereo only)
* 10-20 photos in a photo gallery"

Also FYI, I pre-ordered at cduniverse, with a google checkout, total came to under $98 with shipping!

I have an advance copy of the Perception set (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin). It's great, and definitely DVD-A, and for $105 it's a great holiday gift for oneself! Enjoy!

Also FYI, I pre-ordered at cduniverse, with a google checkout, total came to under $98 with shipping!

Did the same earlier in the month. Can't wait for this release.

ouch..i paid $142 on the doors site and they already charged me..someone said at least I will get a numbered edition for that extra $50..ouch..

ouch..i paid $142 on the doors site and they already charged me..someone said at least I will get a numbered edition for that extra $50..ouch..

Amazon UK had the cheapest price, even ordering from the U.S., so that is where I pre-orderd mine.

Keith was that $142 without shipping?
I betting you got the day of release delivery right?
And yes, as the web site states, your box will be one of 10,000 numbered sets.

Keith was that $142 without shipping?
I betting you got the day of release delivery right?
And yes, as the web site states, your box will be one of 10,000 numbered sets.


You might want to cancel your order because I'm pretty sure that they are no longer numbering the sets. I saw a post from Doors manager Jeff Jampol saying that they wont be numbering the sets.

that was $142 with that expedited shipping. Claims it will be at my door the 21st...that website already took the $142 from my bank...if it isn't number and is the same set that everyone else is getting for aroudn a$100 then I better contact them and raise heck and get my money back..

shoot...

This post is from the doors website:

"Any questions to me need to be posed in the "QUESTIONS FOR JEFF JAMPOL" thread, please, okay?
As I said there, we will not be numbering ANY of the Box Sets, in response to board members' feelings (we would've had to increase the price to do so, and the majority opted for lower price/no numbering). So, that's what we did."

Thanks fpicks.
I'll be doing a little order canceling too.
Nice of them to post the info on the site :rolleyes:

so I got this today from my music..the place the doors.com deals with...is it real?

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Sound samples are up at amazon

Just rec'd the final product. The package is jaw-dropping. God bless Rhino! A couple of pics here (http://quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showpost.php?p=52858&postcount=51).

Just rec'd the final product.

Probably a stupid question, but how did you get this release a week early?

All I know is, I found it in my mailbox, with a note from Jim ;)

One of the perks of writing for a magazine, I guess...

Just thought I'd share. I just placed my order through Amazon UK as well. I have never order from Amazon UK before, but have ordered from Amazon US. I logged into my account using the same username & the basket price was cheaper than the advertised price on the item's page. Cost, including shipping, using today's exchange rate from xe.com, comes out to less than $95 US!

Also, is it possible to purchase any of the disks from this set separately?

I just went to the CD Wow US site to see if the box set was available and I noticed that instead of the box, they have each individual title (CD/DVD-A) listed as a pre-order for 1/29/07. The price is $24.22 each, using the Monkey Bargain coupon, with free delivery.

http://www.cd-wow.us/searchresults_cd.php?searchfield=the+doors

I just went to the CD Wow US site to see if the box set was available and I noticed that instead of the box, they have each individual title (CD/DVD-A) listed as a pre-order for 1/29/07. The price is $24.22 each, using the Monkey Bargain coupon, with free delivery.

http://www.cd-wow.us/searchresults_cd.php?searchfield=the+doors
Excellent. Thanks! :)

"The Unknown Soldier" is quite impressive in surround. The marching section starts in the rear-left speaker and works its way clockwise around the listening space...then...the snare roll in the four corner speakers...and then...the shot.

Very cool indeed!

Dave thanks for the tip. I cancelled my order with cd universe and purchased the box from Amazon UK and saved about $20. I like the individual cd and dvd-a discs that you get in the Uk over a dual disc.

Now I want Rhino to put out a DVD-A box of the Led Zepplin albums.

Mine shipped yesterday.

Hate to throw a wet blanket over this but got the new issue of Sound & Vision yesterday. They TRASHED it. ie, "Morrison's lead vocals almost exclusively in the central channel, isolating him from the music..sounds like he's trapped in a box"....."use of the surrounds is generally unambitious"...."mostly surround channels serve to faintly echo the music of the left and right front"..

I was looking forward to buying it..but forget it now..

Probably do better to seek out the TOUP mixes

http://www.toupltd.com/

I mentioned TOUP in the Beatles 5.1. thread and some people PM'ed me.. sorry I did'nt reply (never noticed I had PMs!).. PM me if you interested but bear in mind you cant buy these anywhere. They are only available as bit torrent downloads..you have to be familar with BT.

Mine shipped yesterday.

As did mine.

Hate to throw a wet blanket over this but got the new issue of Sound & Vision yesterday. They TRASHED it. ie, "Morrison's lead vocals almost exclusively in the central channel, isolating him from the music..sounds like he's trapped in a box"....."use of the surrounds is generally unambitious"...."mostly surround channels serve to faintly echo the music of the left and right front"..

I was looking forward to buying it..but forget it now..



This is completely contrary to the reviews of others here that received pre-release copies. It sounds like they only listened to the first album, The Doors, that was remarked to have been mixed exactly as described here.

Probably do better to seek out the TOUP mixes

http://www.toupltd.com/



I haven't listened to the Perception box yet, but I have little doubt I will prefer it over the Frankenstein bootleg DTS upmixes you refer to (mixed from the WEA commercially released CD's no less).

This is completely contrary to the reviews of others here that received pre-release copies. It sounds like they only listened to the first album, The Doors, that was remarked to have been mixed exactly as described here.


I hope you're right! You are correct about their view of the first album.." the multichannel mix of the self-titled debut is vitually worthless..my scratched up vinyl mono copy sounds bolder and punchier"

Believe me I hope they're wrong..but they love surround and for them to have trashed it is not a good sign..Look forward to hear some members reviews here..

I haven't listened to the Perception box yet, but I have little doubt I will prefer it over the Frankenstein bootleg DTS upmixes you refer to (mixed from the WEA commercially released CD's no less).

As a rule I do not download commercially released material (I d/l bootleg type stuff..concerts, studio outtakes)..I make an exception to that rule when it comes to surround material. If it is'nt obvious already the record companies ( with FEW exceptions) could'nt care less about offering muti-channel releases. Gee, what do we have to look to this fall..the Doors set, David Crosby's debut LP, the Beatles Love, Pete Townshend's Rough Mix..Am I missing anything? , if so not much, for the rock/pop fan.

Some of these amateur mixes are quite good..One guy (he might have been associated with TOUP) has mixed a half dozen classic albums (that you would die for!) in actual DVD-Audio with visual artwork for the songs, like a legit disc. They sound absoutely awesome. Another thing I've seen and obtained is old original QUAD mixes converted to DTS. Sure they're not up to SACD/DVD-A quality, but again some sound very nice.

As far as the regular Beatle albums in 5.1?? You can forget about it. Not in this lifetime.

So I will be happy to listen to some wonderful Frankenstein produced surround discs that will probably NEVER be offically released, instead of limiting myself to the few crumbs the record companies throw a year!!

That's all fine and well, I have most of the TOUP titles.

Some of these amateur mixes are quite good..One guy (he might have been associated with TOUP) has mixed a half dozen classic albums (that you would die for!) in actual DVD-Audio with visual artwork for the songs, like a legit disc.
I grabbed most of those DVD-A titles as well, and they are certainly fun to play around with, but they are still derived from 16bit/44.1khz sources, so I don't think they should be called high-resolution. Why release them as a DVD-A with MLP 24bit/96khz tracks if that is the case?

To suggest that the TOUP Doors DTS CD "releases" sound superior to the official Rhino Perception DVD-A mixes is just silly IMHO.

Like I said, I haven't listened to Perception yet...will post back when I have a chance to give it a spin.

FWIW, the only underground multichannel title I've come across which surpassed the commercial release has been the Dark Side of the Moon DVD-A.

Hate to throw a wet blanket over this but got the new issue of Sound & Vision yesterday. They TRASHED it. ie, "Morrison's lead vocals almost exclusively in the central channel, isolating him from the music..sounds like he's trapped in a box"....."use of the surrounds is generally unambitious"...."mostly surround channels serve to faintly echo the music of the left and right front"..
While the center channel is used liberally for Morrison's vox (there is spillage into the L-R depending on the song; in "Strange Days," he's even in the surrounds), he hardly sounds "in a box," unless, of course, you're using a box as a center speaker. The previous L.A. Woman DVD-A is a good idea of what to expect for the vox, with probably wider usage on the other albums.

I've already commented that the first album sounds like 3.1 with some ambience in the back. While I would have opened the mix up a bit more, it is important to note that the first album was recorded on 4-track, with printed reverb. Not a whole lot you can do. Some of Strange Days is front-heavy, with the core band in the L-C-R and multi-tracked elements in the rears. Do not expect The Flaming Lips, folks.
"...the multichannel mix of the self-titled debut is vitually worthless..my scratched up vinyl mono copy sounds bolder and punchier"
If this is a quote from the review, I strongly disagree with it. First of all, it's confusing two different things: mix and sound quality. However one feels about the mix, the sound quality is very impressive. Furthermore, Botnick also properly transferred the first album: due to a tape machine issue back in the day, the album ran flat and slow, as it appeared on every release until now (including vinyl) - did the review mention that? BTW, was there ever a mono LP of any Doors album...?

"Morrison's lead vocals almost exclusively in the central channel, isolating him from the music..sounds like he's trapped in a box"

In principle I disagree 100% with the reviewer's statement complaining about use of the center channel for main vocals - IMO having main vocals come from the center speaker is a GOOD thing! The widely-praised Elton John multichannel SACDs have his vocals predominantly in the center channel. In fact you feel like you are in the studio with EJ as he's cutting the vocals if you turn off the other speakers

All the quotes I noted from from Sound & Visions review. If you want to hear more buy a copy.
I was'nt suggesting that the TOUP mixes were superior, but when the top audio/video magazine (who have been a steady supporter of multi-channel) in the US claims it's crap, I have to wonder if they're right.
I also agree that some multi-channel releases with a predominatly centered vocal are fine, but maybe as S&V thinks it does'nt work here.
I'm just reporting what I read and it's stopped me from going ahead with the purchase. If enough of you guys think they're nuts and it's really great, then wonderful I'll want a copy.

Hate to throw a wet blanket over this but got the new issue of Sound & Vision yesterday. They TRASHED it. ie, "Morrison's lead vocals almost exclusively in the central channel, isolating him from the music..sounds like he's trapped in a box"....."use of the surrounds is generally unambitious"...."mostly surround channels serve to faintly echo the music of the left and right front"..

I was looking forward to buying it..but forget it now..

Probably do better to seek out the TOUP mixes

http://www.toupltd.com/

I mentioned TOUP in the Beatles 5.1. thread and some people PM'ed me.. sorry I did'nt reply (never noticed I had PMs!).. PM me if you interested but bear in mind you cant buy these anywhere. They are only available as bit torrent downloads..you have to be familar with BT.

Didn't I read that they used the same mix as the LA Woman DVD-Audio for this Box Set? If that is the case it will sound much better than any UPMIX from a 44.1/16bit source obviously.

I think it sounds pretty good based on one listening. It would probably sound even better if I liked the Doors. :p

I've only listened to the self titled album and Strange Days.

Initial impressions...I think the surround mix (at least on these two) sounds stellar.

I'll leave the arguments/critiques of vocal and instrument placement to others.

Very happy with the purchase so far.

I've only listened to the self titled album and Strange Days.

Initial impressions...I think the surround mix (at least on these two) sounds stellar.

I'll leave the arguments/critiques of vocal and instrument placement to others.

Very happy with the purchase so far.

:cool: Thanks for the brief review. I can't wait for mine to arrive from Amazon UK.

Buy.com has this for $89.99 delivered using Google Checkout, so I ordered mine today. I am not a big Doors fan, but after all of the reissues, remixes and now surround sound, I thought I would go ahead. I was hoping I would stop buying surround sound discs, after all DVD-A and SACD are dying formats for popular music, but no, I keep on digging deeper.

Chris

The Doors were perhaps the first musical group that really captured me when I was a little boy.

It is a treat to hear "new" things throughout this release...I've owned all of these albums several times, and so many of these tracks still sound fresh and certainly relevant in the world we currently live in.

I have only listened to the first disc so far and I am impressed. Not even considering this recording is forty years old it sounds very dynamic. No "effects" in the rears however it envelopes you in the sound fully!

The buy.com price is 17$ cheaper than what I paid. Jump on it. A steal!

Buy.com has this for $89.99 delivered using Google Checkout, so I ordered mine today. I am not a big Doors fan, but after all of the reissues, remixes and now surround sound, I thought I would go ahead. I was hoping I would stop buying surround sound discs, after all DVD-A and SACD are dying formats for popular music, but no, I keep on digging deeper.

Chris


:D

I'm waiting for my set to arrive from Amazon UK. I am a big Doors fan, BTW. :)

Did anyone read the review in Sound and Vision? They were pretty harsh on the surround placement, especially on the first album.

Did anyone read the review in Sound and Vision? They were pretty harsh on the surround placement, especially on the first album.

I think the first disc sounds great it is just not very agressive. Mostly just ambiance in rears. But considering the age the remaster job is awsome. Very dynamic. The other ones have much more going on in the rears...I think someone mentioned in this thread that the first disc was origionaly recorded on 4 tracks. I wish the Beatles (and other bands) would put out a Box set like this one!Eric

I wish the Beatles (and other bands) would put out a Box set like this one!
See the two threads in this forum concerning the Beatles "Love" DVD-A that was just released. As far as a box set of all their work, I imagine there's a lot more money to be made, when it comes to the Beatles, in releasing new remasters periodically over the years.

It sounds like those who have this box-set seem to be very happy with it, so I'll be taking the Sound & Vision article with the grain of salt that it seems to deserve.

you will love it too Joe..I have had it since the day it came out....Super mastering, you can just crank it and no fatigue...as other have said, especially Felix, the first disc was a 4 track and they did not do as much with that as the other 5 with surround..but all are just great sounding and well placed...

The sound quality for this set is excellent. I am happy with the mix, but it isn't aggressive at all. I also recently picked up a bunch of the R.E.M. CD/DVD-A sets by Warner. What a great job Warner does with their old music. Maybe a boxset like this for R.E.M. is coming. I am certainly glad I waited and didn't buy the previous Doors boxset or other reissues. Not everybody is crazy about this set, but I sure can't find much fault considering the age of the recordings.

Chris

Just saw this thread - posted in the Pio player problem thread. The surround mixed tracks (the couple I bothered to listen to) are ho-hum to me (my surround system is not my reference system. Plus I'm not a big fan of surround mixes that aren't recorded as such). The 96/24 2ch tracks are excellent. A very good job of remastering. You will never hear the Doors sound better. :) I did also listen a bit to the CD of "The Doors" and was surprised to hear how much different it sounded than the DVD-A tracks. It sounded very good, but different. The DVD-A tracks have plenty of detail and dynamics. The CD sounded "grittier" and had a little bit more "balls". Haven't listened to any of the other CDs yet, just finished all the hirez tracks. I also found that the liner notes were great reading. Brought back some nice memories... :)

larry

I just listened to the first cd and DVD-A, it sounded good, but then again I bought the set for the remastered versions, ill post soon again in this thread.

I just read the review in Sound and Vision. The reviewer is somewhat clueless if you ask me. He says there are hi-rez surround tracks. Nope, just DD and DTS which are not hi-rez. He complains that the surround mixes just have some (in my words) "ambience" sound in the sides and rear. Well, if you would record in surround mult-channel, that's what you would hear. It recreates being there. The Doors never performed with each person in a corner of the music field. I also did happen to pop in a disc where there was more than substantial surrounds info, but that's neither here nor there. The real value in this set is the remastered CD tracks and the 96/24 2ch tracks made from the new digital masters.

larry

I just read the review in Sound and Vision. The reviewer is somewhat clueless if you ask me. He says there are hi-rez surround tracks. Nope, just DD and DTS which are not hi-rez.

Actually, there are definitely hi-rez surround tracks on Perception, for all 6 albums.

I just read the review in Sound and Vision. The reviewer is somewhat clueless if you ask me. He says there are hi-rez surround tracks. Nope, just DD and DTS which are not hi-rez.

There are indeed DD, DTS, and advanced resolution 24/96 mixes available on each of the DVD-A discs.

You might want to check your discs again.

PooperScooper,

As the others noted, these are indeed true DVD-Audio discs with hi-res. If you are not seeing that option make sure you have your DVD-Audio player set to default to DVD-Audio instead of normal DVD (most players have this as a configuration or setup settting).

Also AFAIK, the CDs are the same as the ones that came out previously in their previous box (same mastering). For the remix/remaster 2 channel you need to go to the DVD-As.

Sorry for the mix-up but maybe it's a bug in my player. When I set DVD-Audio I don't see the surround mixes. Hmmm. I've never had an issue before although I don't have that many DVD-As. I'll have to check again. Luckily I really only care about 2ch even though I use a different player than the one in my HT setup. Strange. Both my players didn't see them. I wondered why I didn't have to "button fumble" to find the 2ch on my player that doesn't have a monitor attached to see the menus. I wonder if have 2ch set someplace and that is why... Now, I'm curious. :)

Also, having the CDs from previous remasters may explain why they sound very much different that the 2ch hi-rez.

larry

Edit: I found them. I had to hit "top menu" to get the menu to show up that had the setup option. My receiver indicates "DVD-A 96". Sorry about being "remote(ly) challenged". :)

The set is already sold out (http://messageboard.thedoors.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=32467&view=findpost&p=692045)!! Unbelievable!! 20,000 copies of a deluxe $100+ hi-res surround set sold in less than a month...not bad...

Wow, that's pretty impressive! Glad I just got mine as an early Xmas gift. Haven't had time to listen yet, but hopefully this weekend...

There are still new/sealed sets on Ebay for reasonable prices (under MSRP).

larry

Back in stock at CDUniverse (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin).

Actually, there are definitely hi-rez surround tracks on Perception, for all 6 albums.

My player recognizes and accesses the DVD-A tracks, but for some reason I don't get any subwoofer output, as if there's no LFE track. Anybody else have that problem? (I recently got the David Crosby DVD-A and thought I had the same problem, but then I noticed the booklet actually states that the mix is 5.0, not 5.1. I didn't see anything similar in the Doors booklets.)

What player, and how is it connected? You probably need to set up bass management in the player, if it's connected through analogue.

If the player doesn't have bass management, it's first generation, and you need an upgrade.

My player recognizes and accesses the DVD-A tracks, but for some reason I don't get any subwoofer output, as if there's no LFE track. Anybody else have that problem? (I recently got the David Crosby DVD-A and thought I had the same problem, but then I noticed the booklet actually states that the mix is 5.0, not 5.1. I didn't see anything similar in the Doors booklets.)

Waiting for the Sun does not contain a .1 track (contrary to what the packaging states).

The other five albums in the set are indeed 5.1 mixes.

Waiting for the Sun does not contain a .1 track (contrary to what the packaging states).

The other five albums in the set are indeed 5.1 mixes.

Or, as Bruce Botnick has explained...it does have the .1 track, only he decided not to send any signal to it.

Or, as Bruce Botnick has explained...it does have the .1 track, only he decided not to send any signal to it.

Yeah - he said that he didn't feel that that he needed to send any signal to the .1 track in the case of WFTS in order to effectively "tell the story".

Why an active .1 was required to "tell the story" on the other five albums, but not WFTS is still a mystery to me. My inquiries on thedoors.com regarding this issue have gone unanswered.

If it makes any difference at all to you, your system's badly configured or just inadequate.

If your system can't output bass without an LFE track, how on earth do you cope with CDs?

If it makes any difference at all to you, your system's badly configured or just inadequate.

If your system can't output bass without an LFE track, how on earth do you cope with CDs?

The overwhelming majority of the several thousand discs I own will playback with no bass-deficient issues to speak of (CD, DVD, DVD-A, SACD, etc).

I am confident that this issue is not a problem with my playback system, and instead an issue with the authoring of the high-res content of the WFTS DVD-A (DTS and DD content on the same DVD-A disc play back with no issues).

FWIW, I am running a Denon DVD1920 > Denon AVR3806 > Paradigm Cinema110

As long as the 5 channels have the entire sonic spectrum (as in the case of The Doors), I don't have a prob. The sub is there to - as one mixer told me - "kick it up a notch." Another told me that he doesn't even activate the sub until the end of the mix session, and then very delicately brings it up until he gets a hint of the overtones, and then leaves it at that.

I myself have struggled with the .1 channel when doing surround music mixes, and in fact, there have been some mixes where I have sent 0db to it - just like Botnick, so I take him at his word that it wasn't a mistake. I found that adding to the sub just clouded up the works, depending on the material, and I left well enough alone. Remember: the sub is LFE channel, i.e. low frequency effects - not a channel for bass. Your other speakers have all the low end of the master tapes, don't worry.

This is a really good set and the missing .1 on WFTS has been explained as deliberate. I don't know and don't care, the album sounds fine and isn't lacking bass for me. If in fact the entire 20,000 run is going to sell out as I read, this is quite a success. To sell 120,000 DVD-A's of 40+ year old music by this group sure surprised me. Warner did a fine job with David Crosby "If I Could Only Remember My Name", and Warner has done a great job with other CD/DVD-A sets and for that I am sure grateful. Without Warner's few recent releases and The Beatles "Love", popular music wouldn't have seen much high resolution surround recently.

Chris

I am thinking about picking up an extra copy of this box set and keeping it in the wrapper...is anyone else doing this?. 20,000 copies doesn't seem like very many? Not sure yet if I will but just a thaught. Any opinions about this? I think they are releasing them seperately, but the box set is a nice package.Eric

I am confident that this issue is not a problem with my playback system, and instead an issue with the authoring of the high-res content of the WFTS DVD-A (DTS and DD content on the same DVD-A disc play back with no issues).

If the DTS and DD versions are okay, that suggests a fault in your equipment, as they're almost certainly the same 5.0 mix. Bass management may be working for them, but not for DVD-A. How are you connected up?

I am thinking about picking up an extra copy of this box set and keeping it in the wrapper...is anyone else doing this?. 20,000 copies doesn't seem like very many? Not sure yet if I will but just a thaught. Any opinions about this? I think they are releasing them seperately, but the box set is a nice package.Eric

In terms of historical DVD-A sales, 120,000 sold by one artist in one year is enormous. I can't guess as to what DVD-A discs will do well in the future, but with these discs scheduled for release individually next year, I wouldn't think this is one to buy at any price I have seen. The odd packaging won't likely make it a collector favorite.

Chris

Waiting for the Sun does not contain a .1 track (contrary to what the packaging states).

The other five albums in the set are indeed 5.1 mixes.

Benefactor,
Thanks for the reply. You're right. All the other DVD-A's in the set play OK. As luck would have it, "Waiting for the Sun" was the very first one I played.

If the DTS and DD versions are okay, that suggests a fault in your equipment, as they're almost certainly the same 5.0 mix. Bass management may be working for them, but not for DVD-A. How are you connected up?

For DVD-A, I have 5.1 analog running out of the 1920 to the 3806, speakers set to "small", etc.

Like I said above, the other few thousand discs I have play back without deficient bass issues. Off the top of my head, the only other DVD-A I have had this problem with is Seal Best of 1991-2004.

I am thinking about picking up an extra copy of this box set and keeping it in the wrapper...is anyone else doing this?.

Uh...yeah. I did.

However, I'm one of the biggest geeks I know.

YMMV.

Benefactor,

Are you aware that lack of bass is a common problem in 5.1 analog connections? Usually, people have to find a way to boost it by 10 or 15dbs. If you're lucky, there's a setting to do that in your player or reciever.

Benefactor,

Are you aware that lack of bass is a common problem in 5.1 analog connections?

Well no...as I stated earlier I haven't had this "problem" with the vast majority of the advanced-resolution material I own.

My player has "bass enhancement" controls, which I've never had the need to change from the default setting (OFF) since I purchased the machine -- I'll mess around with them the next time I have a yen to listen to WFTS, and see what kind of a difference it makes.

For starters, why not use Denon Link? That will work more smoothly. Ah, maybe the 1920 doesn't have it.

If you are using the analogue input, make sure all your speakers are set to small on the player, and appropriately distance calibrated. All that setup needs to be duplicated in the player for the analogue connections. Finally, make sure the subwoofer input level in the receiver is set to +15dB ("SW LEVEL" in the "EXT. IN SETUP" menu).

You may only be really noticing your problem with this track, but you may be getting below-par performance on all material.

What happens if you play the DD through the analogue 5.1 connection, by the way?

If you are using the analogue input, make sure all your speakers are set to small on the player, and appropriately distance calibrated. All that setup needs to be duplicated in the player for the analogue connections. Finally, make sure the subwoofer input level in the receiver is set to +15dB ("SW LEVEL" in the "EXT. IN SETUP" menu).


That is exactly how I have it set up.


What happens if you play the DD through the analogue 5.1 connection, by the way?

I'm not sure I understand the question. When I choose the DD or the DTS tracks off the DVD main menu, the SW performance is more than adequate on WFTS.

Obviously, I have the DVD player connected to the AVR digitally as well as via analog connections.

I was wondering if you were playing the DD/DTS through the digital link, rather than the same analogue link as the MLP.

Another thing, that "bass enhancer" setting has always intrigued me. It's never been clear what it does. I've a suspicion it may need to be on for correct functionality.

Another thing, that "bass enhancer" setting has always intrigued me. It's never been clear what it does. I've a suspicion it may need to be on for correct functionality.

My wife will kill me if I put on WFTS again.

:rolleyes:

I'll have to wait a few days try it out with "bass enhancement" on.

Well, I just read your posts in the "bass enhancement" thread in another forum...I guess the adjustment of this particular setting is not going to make a difference in my case.

Last night I listened to a little of "Hello, I love you" from the dvd-a layer and the DTS version, and I didn't hear any bass difference. Is there a certain song or part of a song I should check out? And for my taste, the bass seemed a little too strong, I definitely wouldn't want more. But then again, I think my microphone auto-setup system set the sub a few dbs too hot, and I haven't had a chance to really go over everything.

I am using a Denon 3910 DVD player to a Denon 5805 through Denonlink with Onix reference speakers. I litstened to both versions this way, so theoretically any bass management or sub level problems should be applied to both versions in the same manner.

FWIW, the advanced resolution stereo tracks play fine. No issues with bass content at all on these.

The issues I'm speaking of are particular to the advanced resolution 5.1 (or really 5.0) tracks on the Waiting for the Sun DVD-A only.

I was comparing the 5 channel mixes. But is there a specific song or part of song where the problem is most noticeable? I didn't have a lot of time to compare, so I only listened to a little of one song. And it's not a A/B comparison. I have to stop the disc, eject change setup in player settings and reload disc to change from DVD-A to DTS and back.

Maybe another reason to upgrade the universal player, and connect via Denon Link III.

I wonder what else I am missing...

???

:(

Have you actually tried the DD/DTS mixes through the analogue multichannel connection? Do they come out okay?

Have you actually tried the DD/DTS mixes through the analogue multichannel connection? Do they come out okay?

This question ^^^ (for whatever reason), just doesn't make sense to me.

Since DD/DTS are inherently digital entities, then how would I listen to them via analog connection?

Sorry for what is certainly a stupid question.

This question ^^^ (for whatever reason), just doesn't make sense to me.

Since DD/DTS are inherently digital entities, then how would I listen to them via analog connection?

Sorry for what is certainly a stupid question.

Most DVD/DVD-Audio players have built in DD/DTS decoders to allow playback through 5.1 analog outs. So you in theory could compare the DTS mix vs. the lossless DVD-Audio mix. They should be the same just a bit compressed on the DTS side.

Most DVD/DVD-Audio players have built in DD/DTS decoders to allow playback through 5.1 analog outs. So you in theory could compare the DTS mix vs. the lossless DVD-Audio mix. They should be the same just a bit compressed on the DTS side.

OK - thank you.

I will give this a shot, just to see if the performance is any different than when running DD/DTS direct through the digital outs.

The box is now over $200 at CDUniverse (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin)! Says it's now an import...guess they really are sold out here in the states...

The box is now over $200 at CDUniverse (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin)! Says it's now an import...guess they really are sold out here in the states...

I just bought the set from amazon last week for $119. It's still listed for that price on their web site. Maybe CDUniverse's domestic sources are sold out and import is all they can get now.

ss9001

Maybe CDUniverse's domestic sources are sold out and import is all they can get now.

ss9001

I wasn't aware there were multiple pressings of this release. (import/domestic).

My understanding is that there were ~20,000 units produced domestically.

Benefactor,
CDUniverse's new price is for an Australian import, while a week ago it was shown as a domestic with a price around $135, but it was backordered. That's why I bought it from amazon instead, cheaper and in stock.
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin

Considering CDU's new price, I'm glad I bought it at amazon. :)
ss9001

Benefactor,
CDUniverse's new price is for an Australian import

Yeah, but is that an Australian pressing of Perception?

I don't believe there is such a thing.

"Yeah, but is that an Australian pressing of Perception?"

I don't know, maybe they just imported stock from Australia, not that it was pressed there. That would probably be the case, unless someone knows differently. The important thing is that it's over $200 and CDU only has 2 left as of tonight. Amazon still has in stock for only $119.

It's a great collection. My only 2 complaints are that on most songs, Morrison's vocals in the center channel are quite a bit lower in sound level than the L/R fronts and that the use of the surrounds is inconsistent from song to song even on the same album. Clarity of vocals and all instruments is superb. I still have the original LP's of 4 of the albums, CD's of the same 4, and this collection is superior in overall SQ. I haven't yet compared the DVD-A of LA Woman in Perceptions with the DVD-A that was released several yrs ago.

I'm glad I got one of the 20000. :)
ss9001

"I haven't yet compared the DVD-A of LA Woman in Perceptions with the DVD-A that was released several yrs ago.
ss9001

For what it is worth, I made a quick comparison of the first track of both versions and it sounded to my ears that the Perceptions recording was superior in clarity. I also noticed that the 2 DVD-A versions were recorded at different studios.

"Yeah, but is that an Australian pressing of Perception?"

I don't know, maybe they just imported stock from Australia, not that it was pressed there. That would probably be the case, unless someone knows differently. The important thing is that it's over $200 and CDU only has 2 left as of tonight. Amazon still has in stock for only $119.

It's a great collection. My only 2 complaints are that on most songs, Morrison's vocals in the center channel are quite a bit lower in sound level than the L/R fronts and that the use of the surrounds is inconsistent from song to song even on the same album. Clarity of vocals and all instruments is superb. I still have the original LP's of 4 of the albums, CD's of the same 4, and this collection is superior in overall SQ. I haven't yet compared the DVD-A of LA Woman in Perceptions with the DVD-A that was released several yrs ago.

I'm glad I got one of the 20000. :)
ss9001

I saw 4 copies of the box set today (12/23/06) at my local Sam's club for $99.88. So, if you're still looking, check your Sam's club.

For what it is worth, I made a quick comparison of the first track of both versions and it sounded to my ears that the Perceptions recording was superior in clarity. I also noticed that the 2 DVD-A versions were recorded at different studios.IIRC, from reading the liner notes of Perception, new digital masters were made.

I just listened to the first 3 albums again (hi-rez 2ch). These recordings are some of the best I've heard, SACD or DVD-A. The fact that the original tapes were made in the late 60's makes it more amazing.

larry

Strange Days and Lost Little Girl are hauntingly good in 5.1. I may need to break out the lava lamp!!!

The price has come back down a bit... (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7301532&BAB=M&frm=lk_allspin)

That's good, but I don't understand why we can't buy any of the individual disks within this set.

That's good, but I don't understand why we can't buy any of the individual disks within this set.

My guess is that The Doors/Rhino received so many complaints about the DVD-A discs (mostly from folks who didn't understand what a DVD-A was), that they decided that they weren't worth reissuing separately.

A look at The Doors message board gives many prime examples of this phenomenon.

Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Perception-6CD-6DVD-Boxset-Doors/dp/B000ILYYJE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0446399-2352009?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1173216720&sr=8-1) actually has it about 11% cheaper. I also found it at Best Buy for just a touch more. It definitely does seem to be a little easier to find of late. Ebay auctions typically seem to go for close to the Amazon price if not more so there's still high demand...

Well worth picking up for anyone into hi-res audio that likes the Doors at all...

I'm definitely enjoying my copy of Perception. As others have commented, they were a little light on using the surround on the first album, but it does get better on the others.

Not the best expample of surround material, but still worth having.

Well, there's *some* hope...

Just got this update from my Rhino contact:
The double-disc versions of the Doors albums will probably come back in print at some point in different packaging from the "Perception" box. Right now we're just releasing single CDs of the expanded albums.

So, then, there will be individual DVD-A "albums" from the Perception set? :confused:

I'm sure the content will be reissued at some point...but not as DVD-Audio discs.

So, then, there will be individual DVD-A "albums" from the Perception set? :confused:

Very unlikely. Maybe on Blu-ray or HD DVD, but I think WEA has taken their lumps with DVD-A and have moved on. The new DVD Album is supposed to start showing up, but it is all very unclear. DVD-A and SACD sales were so pathetic, the chances of seeing major labels do much with either in this country are slim.

Chris

Very unlikely. Maybe on Blu-ray or HD DVD, but I think WEA has taken their lumps with DVD-A and have moved on. The new DVD Album is supposed to start showing up, but it is all very unclear. DVD-A and SACD sales were so pathetic, the chances of seeing major labels do much with either in this country are slim.

Chris

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Is the eye roll because you don't believe SACD and DVD-A sales have been pathetic or because you believe WEA is still interested in releasing music on DVD-A? I think this Doors box set or the David Crosby album were the last DVD-A release I have seen from WEA and I have not seen even one announcement of another. Will there be music released on Blu-ray or HD DVD, I don't know but it might happen especially if a clear winner emerges.

Chris

Sorry to bring an old thread back to life, but I noticed that there is a "new" version of this boxed set listed on Amazon, release date Oct 2008.

http://www.amazon.com/Perception-Doors/dp/B000WCN8SC

Any ideas whether it is the aforementioned re-release? DVD-A and CD, or ???

shinksma

Same discs just a smaller box.

[QUOTE=ss9001;9240647]"Yeah, but is that an Australian pressing of Perception?"

I don't know, maybe they just imported stock from Australia, not that it was pressed there. That would probably be the case, unless someone knows differently.

My copy of Perception bought from Sanity.com.au was $109 AUS on the 20/10/07 was manufactured in the EU. You are right it is not an Australian pressing. I have never been a big Doors fan and had held off on this set for a good while. I thought I should at least get LA Women on its own but could not find it anywhere at a decent price so when I saw this Box Set available at this price it was the best solution for me. Excellent clarity. Uneven mixes.

If you are into DVD-A this set still is a must have.