http://www.rokulabs.com/support/HD1000discontinued.php

Roku is no longer carrying PhotoBridge HD1000 or HD1500 products. Stay tuned for new product announcements in the PhotoBridge line in early 2007. If you are a current PhotoBridge customer looking for support, you’re in the right place!

Does anyone remember the RTV200x Firewire ports? Once again, features offered and then withdrawn. You'd think he pi**ed off enough customers for the board of directors to notice, but I guess he's already in the "club".

Cheers

What features have been offered and the withdrawn? It sounds to me like they are upgrading the product line and have decided not to produce any of the old ones while the new ones are being produced.

The current software version has been in beta for 9 months!

Ahhhh! I understand. Thanks.

http://www.rokulabs.com/support/HD1000discontinued.php



Does anyone remember the RTV200x Firewire ports? Once again, features offered and then withdrawn. You'd think he pi**ed off enough customers for the board of directors to notice, but I guess he's already in the "club".

Cheers
Point of correction on the"withdrawl" of RTV-2k Firewire ports - that wasn't Anthony Woods fault or doing, it was Apple's. Their licensing demands were a bit on the outragous side.

Point of correction on the"withdrawl" of RTV-2k Firewire ports - that wasn't Anthony Woods fault or doing, it was Apple's. Their licensing demands were a bit on the outragous side.

$0.25 per end-user box isn't exactly outrageous, but yeah, it is more than USB. Not that RTV ever implemented USB either. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewire

I had a replaytv 2000 series. I would have paid an extra $1.00 to have firewire, $5.00, $20.00 even.

$0.25 per end-user box isn't exactly outrageous, but yeah, it is more than USB. Not that RTV ever implemented USB either. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewire
It was enough to stop the implementation.

(assuming that the numbers posted in a freely editable non-authoritarian refrence are even remotely close to correct)

I had a replaytv 2000 series. I would have paid an extra $1.00 to have firewire, $5.00, $20.00 even.

The math on these situations can be ugly.

Lets say the implimented firewire for $$$$0.25 a unit. Lets say 1 out of 100 Replaytv owners were tech savy enough to utilize it. 100x0.25=$25.00

Would you be willing to pay $25.00 to subsidize the 99 others who didn't utilize the firewire port?

If so, sorry; still no deal. There is no way practical way to charge those willing to pay $25 more than the people who wouldn't.


disclaimer: Doubt you learned anything here, i just wanted to articulate it.

The math on these situations can be ugly.

Lets say the implimented firewire for $$$$0.25 a unit. Lets say 1 out of 100 Replaytv owners were tech savy enough to utilize it. 100x0.25=$25.00

Would you be willing to pay $25.00 to subsidize the 99 others who didn't utilize the firewire port?

If so, sorry; still no deal. There is no way practical way to charge those willing to pay $25 more than the people who wouldn't.


disclaimer: Doubt you learned anything here, i just wanted to articulate it.

Well, you charge everybody regardless... We don't not get charged for ports on home computers, laptops, etc. This wouldn't be any different. And yes, if they had asked for an extra $25 for live firewire ports, I would have plunked the extra money down in a second.

So I agree, there is no practical way to charge only those that make use, but that isn't the way the model actually would have shaken out.

Was Anthony around during the 4k to 5k non-interop time?

So I agree, there is no practical way to charge only those that make use, but that isn't the way the model actually would have shaken out. I don't get it. Why wouldn't there be a reason to charge the folks that actually use the ports? It would be similiar to an activated unit versus a non-activated unit. If you pay, the port works. If you don't pay, the port doesn't work.

All this, however, is pretty much worthless since a very small percentage of Replays actually have a firewire port. It's a very old model and nobody is going to write software for the port to be used.

Its just more expensive to manage software deployments that allow use of hardware on certain units but not on other.

And you're right, its completely worthless. I sold our 2K ages ago and I wonder if it still is in use.

i wonder if they would have had to pay for having the fw ports on there anyway even if they weren't activated.

i'll bet drm or copy protection issues were more the reason for no fw ports than the licensing fees.

i wonder if they would have had to pay for having the fw ports on there anyway even if they weren't activated.

i'll bet drm or copy protection issues were more the reason for no fw ports than the licensing fees.

Pre ethernet and DVArchive! Extract_RTV came pretty quickly though. And I remember the posts from folks who actually set up drive swap enclosures to make use of Extract_RTV that much simpler.

Pre ethernet and DVArchive! Extract_RTV came pretty quickly though. And I remember the posts from folks who actually set up drive swap enclosures to make use of Extract_RTV that much simpler.

third party hacks that are somewhat inconvenient (dvarchive's slow downloading) to very inconvenient (pull the drive to use extract_rtv) are not the same thing as a built in, supported system like the fw drives would have been in terms of liability issues.

...(dvarchive's slow downloading)...
WTF are you talking about? The only limitation on DVArchive's download speed is the ReplayTV itself.

I doubt if $0.25 per end-user box was a factor on an item with MRSP of $1995. It was gone by the time the 20xx was released. And it probably wasn't for offloading content simply to tweak Valenti/Rosen (ethernet worked fine for that ;) ) The firewire was likely for nothing more sinister than upgrading native storage for a unit shipping with a maximum HDD size of 13 GB.

Back on topic, it is curious Roku would apparently discontinue all product without having any replacement ready to ship?

Back on topic, it is curious Roku would apparently discontinue all product without having any replacement ready to ship?

To be fair, Roku has only EOL the Photobridge HD-1000/1500 and Soundbridge M1000/2000. They still have the SB M1001 and the SBR R1000.

Cheers

The math on these situations can be ugly.

Lets say the implimented firewire for $$$$0.25 a unit. Lets say 1 out of 100 Replaytv owners were tech savy enough to utilize it. 100x0.25=$25.00

Would you be willing to pay $25.00 to subsidize the 99 others who didn't utilize the firewire port?


Hmmm... No economist you are, Cow.

The question is actually whether the other 99 users would have been willing to spend 25 cents to subsidize the one (of us) who would have used the port.

Think about a feature like MyReplayTV.com and you see why we think this was in fact a reasonable trade-off.

WTF are you talking about? The only limitation on DVArchive's download speed is the ReplayTV itself.

I wasn't analyzing the cause of the slow downloading, just stating that it is slow, which can't be denied. The main point of the statement was that third party methods of off-loading content is inconvenient in comparison to unplugging a firewire drive and moving it to your PC.

http://www.rokulabs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8538

I guess he doesn't believe that their lack of support drove people away from buying it...

I'm waiting to see toots' missive.

How'd I miss this post??

Hmmm... No economist you are, Cow.


Yeah, I'm slippin. In fact I was so completly wasted the other night that I bought a lottery ticket.


The question is actually whether the other 99 users would have been willing to spend 25 cents to subsidize the one (of us) who would have used the port.

Why not charge them all $.25 more and keep it all?


Think about a feature like MyReplayTV.com and you see why we think this was in fact a reasonable trade-off.

Explain how offloading shows via firewire(or another use of firewire) could make rtv money?


And to clarify, i wouldn't oppose them doing it. I'm talking from the perspective of an accountant. Although I don't much room justifing firewire(DOA profitwise, no critical mass that would even appreciate the feature), accountants have screwed up other things and ultimately culture thinking this way. One example is the crap coffee our black and white relatives on TV drank in the 50s. Coffee distributers kept on blending their beans with lower grade beans to further cut costs, and pushed processing technologies to the point the whole nation was drinking swill for a few decades. I'll concede that much about accountant math.

I'm waiting to see toots' missive.

toots posted in that thread.

Hmm... She must have doubled up on the Prozac that day. I expected something more along the lines of... uh... nuclear?

I wasn't analyzing the cause of the slow downloading, just stating that it is slow, which can't be denied. The main point of the statement was that third party methods of off-loading content is inconvenient in comparison to unplugging a firewire drive and moving it to your PC.
True. But, external sneaker-net enabled drive arrays have their own higher cost of ownership/convience along with their unique handfull of inconviences and shortcommings too, so... "Where ever you are, there you go..."

Any info on enabling a ReplayTV 4032 to save to a DVD Recorder in a similar way as "save to VCR"?

Any info on enabling a ReplayTV 4032 to save to a DVD Recorder in a similar way as "save to VCR"?
Ii think you're in the wrong thread, but to answer yoru question: it works the same. The RTV has no way of knowing what'ws connected.