http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=143343
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/medialib/screens/screenshot_159514.jpg

This looks like a small time site peddling rumors. Unless I'm mistaken, and I hope I am, this has not been officially announced for the 360 yet has it?

This is on my PS3 must have list. Interesting if it comes to 360...

This looks like a small time site peddling rumors. Unless I'm mistaken, and I hope I am, this has not been officially announced for the 360 yet has it?
http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/assassins-creed-for-xbox-360-and-pc

It is popping up rather frequently, I hope its true. PC port is in the mix also. My money is on timed exclusive.

This looks like a small time site peddling rumors. Unless I'm mistaken, and I hope I am, this has not been officially announced for the 360 yet has it?


If you look on the bottom of that article, you will see the article is cited as an OXM (Official Xbox Magazine) story.

Computer and Videogames magazine was a legitimate magazine put out by Future Publishing who were formered known as Ziff Davis, the same publishers as Xbox Magazine. I don't know if it still comes out, but the website is legit.

dpe, why do you hope you are mistaken? You don't want AC to come out for the 360?

dpe, why do you hope you are mistaken? You don't want AC to come out for the 360?

He hopes he was mistaken and it is coming out for the 360.

I heard on one of the podcasts I subscribe to (1up, I believe or maybe EGM) that Sony was negotiating to make AC an exclusive(maybe timed) but was hesitating at ponying up enough cash. The podcast said that when they saw it the 360 build was much farther along than the PS3 build (which was why it was running on a PC or 360 at E3, depending on who you believe). They expressed skepticism that a 360 version would get trashed when it was so far along unless Sony brought an absolute boatload of money to the table. One of the commentators was pointing out that even if they time delay the 360 release by 3 months, there will still be more 360s than PS3s out at that point and hence more sales.

Time will tell but I expect to see a spring/summer release of AC for the 360 at latest. Maybe a dual release if Sony backs away from buying the timed exclusive....

That would be awesome if it was out on both systems, I love options. This is likely to be a very hardware intensive title, so this will be a great oppurtunity to see possible diffs between PS3 and 360 performance.

I'm very interested.. Are there any gameplay videos yet?

Would be very cool if it looked like that drawing

I do not belive that during this time, and with the amount of money Sony has been spending on both the Cell, Blue Ray and the PS3 that Sony could afford to buy the exclusive rights for the game, especially when the game has been in development for so long for the Xbox 360 (Since 2005). Sony just took out a large loan just to cover operating costs and PS3 manufacturing. So hoisting around a giant bag of money like M$ does seems out of the realm of reality.

Sony might have just bought gag rights, they might be going for a timed exclusive or they might be playing dirty and as a "requirement" for exclusivity talks they might have been put under a gag order. Either way Sony won big time with this, while it is an open secret that the game wont always be only on the PS3 it sure gives Sony fanboys some material, from:

The xbox 360 isn't strong enough the handle the advanced AI
The game is far to large for a DVD

By The Way, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was only 2.5 gigs.

Would be very cool if it looked like that drawing
Nice drawing eh?

yup :) The trailer looks cool as well, a half second appears to maybe be gameplay but not 100% sure.

So, no leaked gameplay videos or anything?

I do not belive that during this time, and with the amount of money Sony has been spending on both the Cell, Blue Ray and the PS3 that Sony could afford to buy the exclusive rights for the game, especially when the game has been in development for so long for the Xbox 360 (Since 2005). Sony just took out a large loan just to cover operating costs and PS3 manufacturing. So hoisting around a giant bag of money like M$ does seems out of the realm of reality.

Sony might have just bought gag rights, they might be going for a timed exclusive or they might be playing dirty and as a "requirement" for exclusivity talks they might have been put under a gag order. Either way Sony won big time with this, while it is an open secret that the game wont always be only on the PS3 it sure gives Sony fanboys some material, from:

The xbox 360 isn't strong enough the handle the advanced AI
The game is far to large for a DVD

By The Way, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was only 2.5 gigs.

While I agree that Sony may not find it worth it to buy exclusive rights, the notion that they can't afford to do so is absolutely 100% laughable. Sony is a huge very profitable multinational corporation. I believe it was ranked like 81st in the Forbes "worlds leading companies" while microsoft was ranked like 30th.

Huge companies take out a lot of loans, even if they can afford to do something w/ liquid assets, it can be good business. Trust me, if Sony decides not to make this exclusive it is 100% because they decided it doesn't make sense, not because they can't afford it.

I do not belive that during this time, and with the amount of money Sony has been spending on both the Cell, Blue Ray and the PS3 that Sony could afford to buy the exclusive rights for the game, especially when the game has been in development for so long for the Xbox 360 (Since 2005). Sony just took out a large loan just to cover operating costs and PS3 manufacturing. So hoisting around a giant bag of money like M$ does seems out of the realm of reality.

Sony might have just bought gag rights, they might be going for a timed exclusive or they might be playing dirty and as a "requirement" for exclusivity talks they might have been put under a gag order. Either way Sony won big time with this, while it is an open secret that the game wont always be only on the PS3 it sure gives Sony fanboys some material, from:

The xbox 360 isn't strong enough the handle the advanced AI
The game is far to large for a DVD

By The Way, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was only 2.5 gigs.

Actually the fact that GTA San Andreas was only 2.5 gigs would actually indicate that we may eventually need more space than a dual layer CD. That game was in 480 resolution. The jump to 720p alone will take double the space and that doesn't include any actual improvement in graphical quality. They will continue to be able to compress space w/ clever programming, but eventually we will need more space.

Not that it really matters, the Xbox can always use multiple disks, a pain in the butt, but nothing terrible.

yup :) The trailer looks cool as well, a half second appears to maybe be gameplay but not 100% sure.

So, no leaked gameplay videos or anything?
None that I saw. I did come across 'Live Arcade Unplugged', a disc version of popular Arcade titles including 'Geometry Wars'. Yay for me in the broadband deprived land :) .

I fI am not mistaken, Sony didn't make a billion dollars last year. Considering their sales number which are breath-taking they don't make a lot of profit. This also factors the huge margins that the PS2 was raking in. Sony has stockholders and cannot break the bank to sure up a game that would cost more than it is worth. They probally could afford it but I don't think it makes any sense.

None that I saw. I did come across 'Live Arcade Unplugged', a disc version of popular Arcade titles including 'Geometry Wars'. Yay for me in the broadband deprived land :) .

sweet, so you have Geo Wars now? I like it a lot even though I suck.. Mutant Storm Reloaded kicks ass as well. I think playing MSR on black belt difficulty made me better at Geo Wars a little.

I fI am not mistaken, Sony didn't make a billion dollars last year. Considering their sales number which are breath-taking they don't make a lot of profit. This also factors the huge margins that the PS2 was raking in. Sony has stockholders and cannot break the bank to sure up a game that would cost more than it is worth. They probally could afford it but I don't think it makes any sense.

Precisely, if they are not choosing to pay up for exclusivity it is soley a business decision and has nothing to do w/ their bank.

Actually the fact that GTA San Andreas was only 2.5 gigs would actually indicate that we may eventually need more space than a dual layer CD. That game was in 480 resolution. The jump to 720p alone will take double the space and that doesn't include any actual improvement in graphical quality. They will continue to be able to compress space w/ clever programming, but eventually we will need more space.

Not that it really matters, the Xbox can always use multiple disks, a pain in the butt, but nothing terrible.

The jump to 720p doesn't take anywhere near 2x the space. It's been discussed to death here and elsewhere but it is a massive amount of FUD to claim increasing the resolution causes large size increases. The summary is: if developers want large amounts of prerendered video cutscenes blu-ray makes a difference. If they use the in game engine like most do for $$$ reasons now, it doesn't matter for the next 2 years at least. I'm not going to go into it any more do a search here and in the xbox forum and you should be able to find the threads without much difficulty.

BTW I am very interested in seeing Sony's blu-ray stand alone player. If it takes 30-40 seconds to start reading a disc like the samsung, thats a bad sign.

The jump to 720p doesn't take anywhere near 2x the space. It's been discussed to death here and elsewhere but it is a massive amount of FUD to claim increasing the resolution causes large size increases. The summary is: if developers want large amounts of prerendered video cutscenes blu-ray makes a difference. If they use the in game engine like most do for $$$ reasons now, it doesn't matter for the next 2 years at least. I'm not going to go into it any more do a search here and in the xbox forum and you should be able to find the threads without much difficulty.

BTW I am very interested in seeing Sony's blu-ray stand alone player. If it takes 30-40 seconds to start reading a disc like the samsung, thats a bad sign.

You say it doesn't matter for the next 2 yrs at least. I agree w/ that! It is the years after that that I am concerned with. "A massive amount of FUD"???? I think not. Sure it might not take precisely 2X the disk space in every situation, but it does take more, significantly more. It is a historical fact that as games have gotten better over time they have required more disk space, that is a fact. I don't think we will see any games (that don't have a ton of video sequences) that requre more that 1 DVD, but after that, it is MHO that we will.

By the way, I love cinematic sequences.

sweet, so you have Geo Wars now? I like it a lot even though I suck.. Mutant Storm Reloaded kicks ass as well. I think playing MSR on black belt difficulty made me better at Geo Wars a little.

Man I started out loving MSR.. then i just got to the point I could no longer take the LONG wait between boards or even worse when you perish.

sweet, so you have Geo Wars now? I like it a lot even though I suck.. Mutant Storm Reloaded kicks ass as well. I think playing MSR on black belt difficulty made me better at Geo Wars a little.
September release date :( .

Precisely, if they are not choosing to pay up for exclusivity it is soley a business decision and has nothing to do w/ their bank.


Well then my bad, but I still must argue that creating a game in 720p will result in a direct storage increase due to the fact that games are rendered real time. The approximate space that the coding portion takes will not increase purportionally, as the next generation of games will not so much be affected by additional lines of code as they will compared to the additional processing power.

The High resolution character models that are being used in games today will replace both the low res ones of the last generation, they will also replace the cut scenes (Aside from playable movies).

You are however very much correct on the texture increase. Correct me if im wrong, im not expert on video game developers. You ever running conduit though thats my kingdom ;)

You say it doesn't matter for the next 2 yrs at least. I agree w/ that! It is the years after that that I am concerned with. "A massive amount of FUD"???? I think not. Sure it might not take precisely 2X the disk space in every situation, but it does take more, significantly more. It is a historical fact that as games have gotten better over time they have required more disk space, that is a fact. I don't think we will see any games (that don't have a ton of video sequences) that requre more that 1 DVD, but after that, it is MHO that we will.

By the way, I love cinematic sequences.
Kinda gotta side with GAC here, bigger file sizes probably won't yield better resolutions or gameplay, but watching Cloud do his eyeliner in HD CGI most definelty :) .

Actually the fact that GTA San Andreas was only 2.5 gigs would actually indicate that we may eventually need more space than a dual layer CD. That game was in 480 resolution. The jump to 720p alone will take double the space and that doesn't include any actual improvement in graphical quality. They will continue to be able to compress space w/ clever programming, but eventually we will need more space.

Not that it really matters, the Xbox can always use multiple disks, a pain in the butt, but nothing terrible.


Wow what you said would have made sense except wait didn't thay announce at E3 GTA4 is coming to the 360. Next your going to say both systems will have different versions and isn't the game going to be in 720P? Actually I am not about to comment on the resolution you just said. :rolleyes:

Actually the fact that GTA San Andreas was only 2.5 gigs would actually indicate that we may eventually need more space than a dual layer CD. That game was in 480 resolution. The jump to 720p alone will take double the space and that doesn't include any actual improvement in graphical quality.
This is nonsense. The jump to 720p would never, ever, ever, ever, ever double the space required for a typical video game, except in cases where said game required a sizeable amount of hi-def full-motion video. Especially since the GTA series does all its cut-scenes in the game engine.

All the textures that I've used over ten years of CGI production (and I've saved almost all the images I've ever used) consume about five gigs of my hard drive; all my thousands of 3D models, a little over one gig. We're talking about thousands upon thousands of assets that are too large to fit within the constraints of either the 360 or PS3 memory limitations, no matter what. I'm talking uncompressed images, .TGA sequences with alpha channels, high-poly skinned and boned character models, animated bitmap sequences ... stuff that never gets used in a real-time environment.

The day will come when DVD-9 isn't sufficient to store all a game's assets, but I'm not convinced that it's happening in this generation.

Actually the fact that GTA San Andreas was only 2.5 gigs would actually indicate that we may eventually need more space than a dual layer CD. That game was in 480 resolution. The jump to 720p alone will take double the space and that doesn't include any actual improvement in graphical quality. They will continue to be able to compress space w/ clever programming, but eventually we will need more space.

Not that it really matters, the Xbox can always use multiple disks, a pain in the butt, but nothing terrible.
As mentioned above, the resolution that a console renders a game has no impact on the storage capacity of optical media.

By the way, San Andreas registers on my PC as being 4.7GB.

You say it doesn't matter for the next 2 yrs at least. I agree w/ that! It is the years after that that I am concerned with. "A massive amount of FUD"???? I think not. Sure it might not take precisely 2X the disk space in every situation, but it does take more, significantly more. It is a historical fact that as games have gotten better over time they have required more disk space, that is a fact. I don't think we will see any games (that don't have a ton of video sequences) that requre more that 1 DVD, but after that, it is MHO that we will.

By the way, I love cinematic sequences.

By FUD, I mean its what most Sony fans immediately start shouting as an advantage for the PS3 that will massively handicap the 360, even though PS3 games will be using BD-9 (DVD9 + BD copy protection) for most or all launch games. Lord knows the bs rumor about GoW being 4 dvds was shouted by many for weeks.

Doing a 720p game doesn't take significantly more space than a 480p game its a minor bump if any. Space hasn't been the limiting factor on resolution, displays and video processing horsepower was. Resolution is easy, textures and sound were the bigger problems in the past which is why both consoles added the latest and greatest compression for them. I'd say we won't have size issues until the 720 or whatever but I figure thats 4-5 years away. We might have a few 2 dvd rpg games by the end of the life span but I'll bet it will be very rare.

Look at Oblivion, a massive game that uses about 4.6 GB (based on the pc file size, should be significantly smaller given the efficency of only programming for one set of hardware). So it could grow by at least another 60% before it hits the xbox disc limit. Developers have to pay to make that content, also.

BTW I'm going to guess we'll see very few games on 25 gb blu-ray because of production costs, multiplatform titles, and disc load times. As I mentioned before if it takes 30+ seconds to start reading the 25 gb disc (as the samsung does now), start up times will be an issue.

This game will be sick on the 360. I wanted a PS3, but the cost is ridiculous. I am very happy to hear it is the works for 360.

But has it been officially confirmed. Thats what I am waiting on is an announcment that it is confirmed from Ubisoft.

Not confirmed by Ubisoft yet, but last month's issue of Game Informer said it would be announced eventually for 360 along with the new Mercenaries (EA) game. I've been reading this rumor on a few major sites and UbiSoft has a great relationship with M$, so I really can't see any way its not coming to 360.

Either way Sony won big time with this, while it is an open secret that the game wont always be only on the PS3 it sure gives Sony fanboys some material, from:

The xbox 360 isn't strong enough the handle the advanced AI
The game is far to large for a DVD


I'll eat my shorts on Youtube if this were true.

I'll eat my shorts on Youtube if this were true.

as much as I'd love to see that, I don't think you will be.

new footage of assassin's creed from Ubidays, over at Xboxyde:

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_4376_en.html

just as good as the "mad world" trailer for gears, if you ask me, albeit in a different way. absolutely love the music.

this game is looking spectacular.

Agreed. My hype for this game just went up a few notches!

It has been known for a while that this is on the 360 as well. Right?

yup.

but this is the first that's been seen or heard of the game in a while.

absolutely love the music.


Here is an MP3 of the song. (http://fry3k.free.fr/Musique/Unkle%20-%2005%20-%20Lonely%20Soul.mp3)

The game looks great.