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yampan

04-02-07, 01:30 PM

To VeryOldSchool or whoever would be so kind--

O.K. My HR20-100 arrived today. Two men in separate trucks relocated my dish to the back of my house for better reception and now it's not visible from approach at all. Good deal. They were very neat. Everything went well; it's been running a couple of hours now and seems very cool to the touch.

The only problem was when they left I wondered why Sunrise Earth looked so crappy.

Going into the settings, I realized they set the box to think my tv received only 480i and no dolby. Oh well. A few tweeks and Mr. Moose looked like his old self. Word to the wise- recheck all your settings.

Now for the all to often asked questions , if you would be so gracious.

1. What do you punch to turn off that blue light.

2. Is it true that a firmware upgrade turns it back on so you know when you have received one?

3. How does this unit output. Does it always output through tuner 1 and record through tuner 2 or vice versa? I ask because I will often want to record in HD on this unit while I output another show to my DVR to record and save. Do I set this to record the one show and then just make sure it is tuned to the show I want my DVR to record? Autotuning doesn't caused the current watched show to change, does it?

4. If I record a series and reruns, how can I go into the list of recorded shows and get the quide info to see if it's one I want to keep or purge?

Thanks in advance for the info.

CPanther95

04-02-07, 01:50 PM

Tips and Tricks pdf very helpful - Recording default change is in there as well as this for yampman:

DIM THE FRONT PANEL RING LEDS
On the HR-20 front panel, press the Left and Right arrows at the same time
First Press �� 90% Brightness
Second Press �� 80% Brightness Third Press �� 70% Brightness
Fourth Press �� LED's OFF

Undocumented! - Update Alert: Dim your LEDs. After an update, they will be bright again!

veryoldschool

04-02-07, 02:19 PM

1Now for the all to often asked questions , if you would be so gracious.

1. What do you punch to turn off that blue light.

2. Is it true that a firmware upgrade turns it back on so you know when you have received one?

3. How does this unit output. Does it always output through tuner 1 and record through tuner 2 or vice versa? I ask because I will often want to record in HD on this unit while I output another show to my DVR to record and save. Do I set this to record the one show and then just make sure it is tuned to the show I want my DVR to record? Autotuning doesn't caused the current watched show to change, does it?

4. If I record a series and reruns, how can I go into the list of recorded shows and get the quide info to see if it's one I want to keep or purge?

Thanks in advance for the info.
1) already replied to.
2) a reset will have the blue ring back to full [a software update will reset the receiver].
3) there is no way to "pick" a tuner. What you're watching uses "a" tuner & what you record will use another. So if you want to have "something" record, you will need to have that "live" [as in to be watching it] for it to be output.
4) the "list" button will get you to your playlist & selecting the program will give you the info.

Deezul

04-02-07, 02:36 PM

I was watching Saturday Night Live via the LiL HD channel and noticed pixalization on a black jacket as well as on some of the backgrounds during the Weekend Update, mainly on solid colors. I switched over to my local OTA channel (Washington, DC) and saw it was not there. I just noticed it Saturday night, but I am pretty sure that it was NOT there before. Has anyone else seen something similar when viewing MPEG4 content?

veryoldschool

04-02-07, 02:44 PM

yampan

04-02-07, 03:51 PM

3) there is no way to "pick" a tuner. What you're watching uses "a" tuner & what you record will use another. So if you want to have "something" record, you will need to have that "live" [as in to be watching it] for it to be output.

O.K. I'm not trying to be dense here; let me see if I understand you. Say I want the
HR-20 to record something on channel 86 at 9PM, so I go into the guide and set the program. But I want it to send a show on channel 70 to my DVR at 11 PM when I'm asleep. Can I tune to channel 70 earlier and leave it on that channel, and my preset program on 86 won't interrupt channel 70?

dhkinil

04-02-07, 06:38 PM

O.K. I'm not trying to be dense here; let me see if I understand you. Say I want the
HR-20 to record something on channel 86 at 9PM, so I go into the guide and set the program. But I want it to send a show on channel 70 to my DVR at 11 PM when I'm asleep. Can I tune to channel 70 earlier and leave it on that channel, and my preset program on 86 won't interrupt channel 70?

That should work, but why not put it on the HR20?
:confused:

sdf777

04-02-07, 07:34 PM

antenna_man

04-02-07, 08:02 PM

Thank you, I owe you a beer. ;)

I tried that after reading the manual, but it didn't "take". Since it didn't work, I interpreted the function as the volume would always control TV volume unless you entered the 993 code - then the individual components would be controlled based on the slide switch position.

Please disregard previous rant.

But I will say that the lack of Tivo Suggestions means the product will not stay in the living room, and will likely go to one of the kids. Not a chance of converting the whole house - half her viewing (and a good chunk of mine) comes from Tivo suggestions. Wouldn't really mind the loss of the extra buffer if there was a library of programs to choose from, but to lose both, it is a major change in our viewing habits.
Glad to help.Yeah ,I hear alot of my customers complain they liked the Tivo software better but the HR10-250 IS NOT MPEG 4 compatible and when they turn on the 99 sat all you diehards are gonna have to get used to the new software/remote.A quick tip to make the transition easier>Try using the 30 sec jump button to fastfoward through commercials >hit like 6 or 7 times(3.5 mins)then use 6 sec back if it goes to far.This was my biggest adjustment with Tivo I could look away and cause of the sound effects and better controls go through the commercials in a snap.When trying to FF then stop with new unit I couldn't get timing right.

veryoldschool

04-02-07, 08:53 PM

O.K. I'm not trying to be dense here; let me see if I understand you. Say I want the
HR-20 to record something on channel 86 at 9PM, so I go into the guide and set the program. But I want it to send a show on channel 70 to my DVR at 11 PM when I'm asleep. Can I tune to channel 70 earlier and leave it on that channel, and my preset program on 86 won't interrupt channel 70?
You've "got it", but as posted you could also record it and then play it back to "record" on some other device at any time.

sdf777

04-02-07, 10:34 PM

Is Mpeg4 only for locals in HD? If that's all, I'll be good for some time.

kmullen

04-02-07, 10:40 PM

Is Mpeg4 only for locals in HD? If that's all, I'll be good for some time.
At this time yes....however when the new sats go live(this fall?), the programming
on them will be MPEG4.

veryoldschool

04-02-07, 11:23 PM

At this time yes....however when the new sats go live(this fall?), the programming
on them will be MPEG4.
"fall" might only be a couple of months away.

UncD2000

04-02-07, 11:37 PM

That will be great if it's that soon. FWIW, a seventh transponder on 103 (#17) is now active (97 reading) in our area. Whether it will be carrying anything new for Chicagoland is another question.

veryoldschool

04-03-07, 01:31 AM

That will be great if it's that soon. FWIW, a seventh transponder on 103 (#17) is now active (97 reading) in our area. Whether it will be carrying anything new for Chicagoland is another question.
Yeah, it lit up a few weeks ago. Don't know the DMA it's for though.

yampan

04-03-07, 07:28 AM

That should work, but why not put it on the HR20?
:confused:

Sometimes if I know I'll want to make it a keeper, I'll need to burn it to DVD anyway, so putting it directly onto my Panny's DVR HD is more direct and easier. Also, sometimes I'll want to do two shows simultaneously. Sometimes I'll want to put it on the HR to watch once and shoot it over to the Panny at the same time for burning . Particularly, if it's an SD station, or ESPN with its silly 480p, there's little reason to waste disk space on the HR-20. The Panny has its own 250gb, so I'm looking forward to spreading things around. I'm used to the view and burn and erase routine. ;)

vonzoog

04-03-07, 07:28 AM

For those who have (had) HR10's and now HR20's, which unit do you prefer? My HR10 is acting up intermittantly and my only option with D* is to replace it with an HR20 or live with the problem. I'm not convinced based on reading several pages of this thread that the HR20 is an improvement. Any thoughts are appreciated.

I am currently running 3 different units. A Sony SAT-T60 (TiVo), a HR10-250 (TiVo), and a HR20-700 (non-TiVo).

The Sony is by far the most dependable and I have had it for a long time. I believe it was the first D* DVR and I have had it since they first came out. The only problem is it is not HD.

The HR10 I got when it first came out also and the big problem was the HMDI port never worked right and I gave up on it have always been using the component connections. This machine, as far as prgramming was concerned, was flawless until a recent firmware upgrade and now it has a few quirks.

The HR20 is NON-TiVo and took a while to get use to. Yes there are a few quirks however D* has been constantly upgrading and working on fixing everything more so than any other unit I have ever expereniced. My unit has NEVER let me down and has NEVER miss a recording. I know, I know that you keep reading all of the negatives on this thread, but you have to remember . Most of the people posting here are the few that are having problems and that there are several hundred thousand units out there. You do the math.

To be honest with you, once I got use to the HR20, I honestly believe that it is a better unit than the HR10. Heck, even my wife is complaining about the HR10 more than the HR20 now. That statement you tells you alot. ;)

petergaryr

04-03-07, 08:18 AM

Deezul

04-03-07, 08:29 AM

I currently use both.

When I first got the HR20, it seemed a step down. Lots of issues. However, D* has been on top of this and has consistently released software updates to improve reliability and functionality.

At this point in time, I would actually give the nod to the HR20 over the HR10 (never thought I'd say that).

There's one thing holding my wife and I back from giving up on our two HR10s and going strictly HR20 - Close Captioned viewing at the first FF speed on the TiVo. It's a tiny feature, but once you've used it to catch up on a bunch of shows, it's indispensible. I also find it great for those "CSI" moments, when they spend 3-4 minutes getting DNA results that have no dialogue and just music. It's an easy way to FF once, and as soon as they start talking, go back to normal speed.

Give me that, and I will GLADLY swap out the HR10s. Until then, we'll be holding on the HR10s and probably keep at least one around for a long time.

Deezul

CPanther95

04-03-07, 10:18 AM

joed32

04-03-07, 10:28 AM

You can change the recording default options for season passes and it will use that default for all of them.) On a quick single recording you would still have to the options page and change it.

petergaryr

04-03-07, 10:43 AM

I've got plenty of complaints, but I've got to say that setting up my season passes via the guide on the HR20 was an absolute joy compared to the HR10. Pull up the guide for HDTV channels only - set 5 or 6 season passes for primetime broadcast shows in about 10 or 15 seconds - 2 button presses to advance 24 hours to the next night's primetime schedule.....repeat.

Totally agree. I've had the HR10 for a while and remember the 3-4 minute time it took to set a season pass. To be fair, this has improved greatly with the 6.3 update.

Still, now that Jacksonville has the HD LILs the HR20 has the advantage given its MPEG 4 decoder. In fact, I'm getting ready to replace the HR10 in the living room with and HR20 just to make sure I am ready for the new national HD channels.

mabock

04-03-07, 12:53 PM

VARTV

04-03-07, 01:29 PM

mabock

04-03-07, 01:33 PM

I originally tried native, but the issue was still present. Seemed the best I found was using all 1080i.

Thanks

msmith198025

04-03-07, 01:58 PM

I originally tried native, but the issue was still present. Seemed the best I found was using all 1080i.

Thanks

I would think it would have more to do with the settings on the tv than the stb. but i may be wrong, what do you have your contrast, brightness, ect set to?

rkaz

04-03-07, 02:05 PM

I have been waiting to upgrade from my H-20 until the bugs have been worked out of the HR-20.

Should I wait longer?

Thanks.

CPanther95

04-03-07, 02:11 PM

Native really slowed down channel changes for me when switching to channels with differing resolutions. I switched it to 1080i full time, which doesn't bother me so much since the HR20 still allows formatting options for 1080i content.

veryoldschool

04-03-07, 02:33 PM

veryoldschool

04-03-07, 02:34 PM

I have been waiting to upgrade from my H-20 until the bugs have been worked out of the HR-20.
Should I wait longer?
Thanks.
If I were to flip a coin, it would land on it's edge.
They seem to have been behaving for a couple of months now. FWIW

rkaz

04-03-07, 02:41 PM

If I were to flip a coin, it would land on it's edge.
They seem to have been behaving for a couple of months now. FWIW

I guess I'll wait a little longer.

Thanks.

msmith198025

04-03-07, 02:43 PM

I guess I'll wait a little longer.

Thanks.

I upgraded a couple of weeks ago and have been pleased so far. no issues at all really. the only thing i liked better about the H20 was the OTA tuner.
But im happy i swapped

Leftcoastdave

04-03-07, 04:31 PM

Anyone have any advice here or see the same issue:
I have the HR20-700 (set to output all 1080i) hooked up to a KDS60XBR2 1080p television via HDMI and the image using the HR20 often looks grainy/fuzzy on darker colors, especially when slowly panning. I see fuzzy blacks, etc.
Watching HD golf or basketball tournament it becomes very noticable.
If the image is still, then it looks much better, but still not as good as it should.

Thanks for any advice at all.

I have both HR10-250's and HR20-700's connected to my Sony KDS55A2000 via component video and I see the same pixelation and grain in HD golf and basketball frequently. I blame the broadcasters (CBS is among the worst) when I see so much macroblocking on sports motion shots.

The NCAA championship game last night was just awful. I initially thought the problem was DirecTV's compression schema until I switched to CBS-DT off the air and my local HD feed was equally crappy.

My advice is to grin and bear it because your equipment is at the mercy of the signal quality sent to it by the networks. I read a post on DBStalk earlier today where several folks were upset by the pixelation of the basketball game last night and many of them noticed that the same motion shots of the game when rebroadcast on ESPN's sportscenter looked far better. If ESPN 720p can get it right, why can't CBS do it with 1080i?

Dave

mabock

04-03-07, 04:37 PM

Yes, the entire March madness on CBS HD was absolutely horrid. I assume you have DRC off in the TV settings already.

CPanther95

04-03-07, 04:40 PM

So what do you do for the HD 720p programs? You "want" to interlace a progressive scan? :confused:

The TV is going to convert it anyway. If it was hooked up to a 720 line plasma, I'd set it at 720p.

veryoldschool

04-03-07, 06:22 PM

The TV is going to convert it anyway. If it was hooked up to a 720 line plasma, I'd set it at 720p.
Converting progressive to interlaced is one thing, & scaling is another.
I have a Bravia 1080p, it scales everything to fit the screen size. I use
"native" so what I watch has the least [best] conversion. Taking a progressive scan & converting it to interlaced defeats why the broadcaster used progressive scan in the first place. I don't want to turn this into another one of "those threads", so I'll stop..but for some "light reading": http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=81801

Macfan424

04-03-07, 07:13 PM

Not to extend the debate, but there is no "one size fits all" answer. Many people say they can't see much difference, if any, while others swear one is better than the other, much like the HDMI vs. component discussions.

As others have mentioned, some progressive TV's seem to work better with 1080i input than 720p, theory be damned. Panasonic plasmas used to be well known for that (don't know if newer models still are).

The moral is use what looks best to you on your set (if, indeed, you can see any difference) and don't worry about the theoretical "best way."

CPanther95

04-03-07, 07:19 PM

Sending native is always my preference, but in this case the sync-up time when switching channels is far too anoying to live with - especially when I already have family members annoyed with the loss of Tivo software.

Deezul

04-03-07, 08:00 PM

What's your signal strength for your local MPEG-4 SAT?

For the 99 degree, one was 60, three were 73, two were 0. For 103, most were in the 80s, with two 0s, one in the 90s, and one in the high 70s. That should be OK.

Deezul

veryoldschool

04-03-07, 09:26 PM

veryoldschool

04-03-07, 09:32 PM

For the 99 degree, one was 60, three were 73, two were 0. For 103, most were in the 80s, with two 0s, one in the 90s, and one in the high 70s. That should be OK.
Deezul
You should be"OK" if the 103 is the SAT for you locals. Here is a link to find which yours comes from:
http://www.dbstalk.com/hr20/html/DTV_LIL_CITY.html

If yours do come from the 99 SAT then you do need some tweaking...

sdf777

04-03-07, 10:10 PM

Thanks all for the 20 vs 10 comparisons. I'm feeling somewhat better about losing the HR10 in time. I'll probably wait until there are MP4 channels that I want. NY HD feeds will stay for a long time as D* doesn't want to swap out all those units. What are the plans for MP4 satellites and what channels other than locals will be on them? thx.

yampan

04-04-07, 07:31 AM

If ESPN 720p can get it right, why can't CBS do it with 1080i?

Dave

Didn't ESPN and I think ABC evaluate both 720p and 1080i extensively and chose 720p because it handled rapid sports motion better? that's my recollection. :o

Deezul

04-04-07, 07:43 AM

You should be"OK" if the 103 is the SAT for you locals. Here is a link to find which yours comes from:
http://www.dbstalk.com/hr20/html/DTV_LIL_CITY.html

If yours do come from the 99 SAT then you do need some tweaking...

Guess I'll have to tweak it, since I'm on the 99 SAT. Any recommendations, or should I just go up to the dish and move it and have someone relay signal strengths to me?

Deezul

veryoldschool

04-04-07, 10:22 AM

Guess I'll have to tweak it, since I'm on the 99 SAT. Any recommendations, or should I just go up to the dish and move it and have someone relay signal strengths to me?
Deezul
The Ku SATs have a broader beam than the narrow Ka SATs.
three ways to tweak:
1) call D* & have them come out & fix their poor job. You have 90 days from the last service call [still free] & if it wasn't done right in the first place, I'd still get them out for free.
2) use a meter and "center" on the 101 SAT, by using the fine tuning adjustments [where you have the signal drop the same amount on either side & then split it in half].
3) go into the setup menu and monitor the 99 SAT. Then use the fine tuning adjustments to peak the signal to the highest level possible.

I used option #1 for mine... :)

RAVEN56706

04-04-07, 10:53 AM

did anyone record the Wrestlemania this past weekend?

for some odd ball reason, it didnt play back for me... there was a -6:-5 at the bottom bar....

anyone familiar with this?

Spit

04-04-07, 12:55 PM

Guess I'll have to tweak it, since I'm on the 99 SAT. Any recommendations, or should I just go up to the dish and move it and have someone relay signal strengths to me?

Deezul

It seems that Deezul's reported HD quality problem is isolated to one channel -NBC4 HD in DC. If that is the case, then wouldn't the problem have more to do with how the signal is being broadcast to and from the sat? If, on the otherhand, it is a dish alignment problem to sat 99, wouldn't all the channels be affected?

I just had my dish realigned on Monday to fix a sudden non-reception problem with the local HD channels. Since then (Monday night and Tuesday), the picture quality on NBC4 HD has been terrible. (No problem on other local HD channels, or any of the local OTA HD channels including NBC4). I went up three levels of tech support at D*, who concluded because only one channel is affected that it might be a broadcast/signal beam problem. I'm not really sure, because if that is the case, I would expect to be reading posts from a lot of D* subs in the DC area.

I don't really have a lot of knowledge regarding sat and broadcast technology, so any insight that you can provide would be appreciated.

veryoldschool

04-04-07, 01:37 PM

I don't really have a lot of knowledge regarding sat and broadcast technology, so any insight that you can provide would be appreciated.
Why Deezul needs to "tweak" the dish is the 99 signal levels are on the low side [70s not 90s]. This is a transponder which carry all of the local HD channels.
As for why "only" one channel could be bad when the OTA channel is fine: D* picks up the same channel [sometimes with an OTA antenna just like you & me], then converts it to MPEG-4 & sends it up to the SAT. There can be a problem anywhere in the chain that causes the quality to drop. You dish is what you can improve [to a point] and the rest is up to either D* or the station.

Milenkod

04-04-07, 02:03 PM

Thinking of upgrading my D* box to the HR20-700 or -100 (if possible). How are these boxes for reliability, stability and ease of use. I currently have a DirecTiVo Series-1 Sonly box that I love. How does is compare to my old TiVo?

Deezul

04-04-07, 05:58 PM

It seems that Deezul's reported HD quality problem is isolated to one channel -NBC4 HD in DC. If that is the case, then wouldn't the problem have more to do with how the signal is being broadcast to and from the sat? If, on the otherhand, it is a dish alignment problem to sat 99, wouldn't all the channels be affected?

I just had my dish realigned on Monday to fix a sudden non-reception problem with the local HD channels. Since then (Monday night and Tuesday), the picture quality on NBC4 HD has been terrible. (No problem on other local HD channels, or any of the local OTA HD channels including NBC4). I went up three levels of tech support at D*, who concluded because only one channel is affected that it might be a broadcast/signal beam problem. I'm not really sure, because if that is the case, I would expect to be reading posts from a lot of D* subs in the DC area.

I don't really have a lot of knowledge regarding sat and broadcast technology, so any insight that you can provide would be appreciated.

I noticed the color problem with NBC. However, I noticed CBS coming in blocky last night, and remember an episode of CSI a few months a go that "lost" about 10 minutes right in the middle because of a bad signal. I had the dish install in October, so its been more than 90 days. :( But I will call them anyway. I CAN live with it, as I still have my two HR10s and mainly use the HR20 as "backup" to them or when I want to watch something in the bedroom instead of the main TV.

It can't hurt to call; the worst thing they say is they can't do anything for me. I'm probably going to get another HR20 next year, so I can always have someone come out and tune it then when they set it up. :)

Deezul

veryoldschool

04-04-07, 08:35 PM

I noticed the color problem with NBC. However, I noticed CBS coming in blocky last night, and remember an episode of CSI a few months a go that "lost" about 10 minutes right in the middle because of a bad signal. I had the dish install in October, so its been more than 90 days. :( But I will call them anyway. I CAN live with it, as I still have my two HR10s and mainly use the HR20 as "backup" to them or when I want to watch something in the bedroom instead of the main TV.
It can't hurt to call; the worst thing they say is they can't do anything for me. I'm probably going to get another HR20 next year, so I can always have someone come out and tune it then when they set it up. :)
Deezul
I would guess the "worst" would be: $70 please for the service call. I would "explain" that it always was that way & should have been done right the first time. If you're nice, D* has done this for customers [quite recently] at no charge.

CPanther95

04-04-07, 10:13 PM

Didn't ESPN and I think ABC evaluate both 720p and 1080i extensively and chose 720p because it handled rapid sports motion better? that's my recollection. :o

That's the story, and they're sticking with it. ;)

720p is much more multicast friendly because it requires less bandwidth. Anyone who has seen full bandwidth 1080i football knows that the motion artifacting is minimal (maybe "rare" is a better word) and the picture is unbelievable.

CPanther95

04-04-07, 10:15 PM

spongebob

04-04-07, 10:22 PM

veryoldschool

04-04-07, 11:04 PM

ebonovic

04-05-07, 10:19 AM

I hooked up my old UltimateTV unit to catch up on some previously recorded material and was shocked how good even the SciFi channel looked. Not the soft blurry SD that comes out of my HR20.

This is both nto my new Panny 9UK plasma.

Does SD suck on a HD receiver or do I have a bad one??

thx

bob

You are also comparing something that was recorded in the past... compared to something today.

So there could have been changes in the compression levels for SCIFI, between then and now.

When I had my DTivo and my HR20 hooked up at the same time, recording the same episode (Stargate)... playing back over the same component connection.

There was no dobut that the HR20's picture was better then the HR10-250's.

spongebob

04-05-07, 10:57 AM

You are also comparing something that was recorded in the past... compared to something today.

Good point

So there could have been changes in the compression levels for SCIFI, between then and now.

When I had my DTivo and my HR20 hooked up at the same time, recording the same episode (Stargate)... playing back over the same component connection.

There was no dobut that the HR20's picture was better then the HR10-250's.

I'll do the same with my daughters' R15

thx

bob

Spit

04-05-07, 12:08 PM

Why Deezul needs to "tweak" the dish is the 99 signal levels are on the low side [70s not 90s]. This is a transponder which carry all of the local HD channels.
As for why "only" one channel could be bad when the OTA channel is fine: D* picks up the same channel [sometimes with an OTA antenna just like you & me], then converts it to MPEG-4 & sends it up to the SAT. There can be a problem anywhere in the chain that causes the quality to drop. You dish is what you can improve [to a point] and the rest is up to either D* or the station.

Thanks. Your explanation makes a lot of sense. I've now had the local NBC HD quality reception problem now for three days. I do not see this on any other local HD channels. Per the last service rep, my dish is aimed properly. It seems like a broadcast problem to the SAT. (However, I don't understand why other local HD subs in this area aren't seeing the same problem.) D* is looking into this -- I'll let you know when (and if) I learn more.

Milenkod

04-05-07, 12:19 PM

Thanks. Your explanation makes a lot of sense. I've now had the local NBC HD quality reception problem now for three days. I do not see this on any other local HD channels. Per the last service rep, my dish is aimed properly. It seems like a broadcast problem to the SAT. (However, I don't understand why other local HD subs in this area aren't seeing the same problem.) D* is looking into this -- I'll let you know when (and if) I learn more.Just an FYI...I don't have an HR20 and am lurking the forum because I'm thnking about getting one. I currently have the D* MPEG-4 box that I'll be upgrading.
Anyways, it is well known that NBC has the worst HD brodcast on D*. For some reason, I always have very bad quality on NBC and could never fogure out what was worng with my equipment. I ran accross a post in another HD forum about a known problem with most of NBC's HD broadcasts. This could be what you are witnessing as well???

veryoldschool

04-05-07, 12:33 PM

Anyways, it is well known that NBC has the worst HD brodcast on D*. For some reason, I always have very bad quality on NBC and could never fogure out what was worng with my equipment. I ran accross a post in another HD forum about a known problem with most of NBC's HD broadcasts. This could be what you are witnessing as well???
"Your" NBC, is it SFO or SAC [or should I say KNTV or KCRA]? KCRA is [has] upgraded to local news in HD, and they're still "learning" where some of the buttons are in the control room.
KNTV is a whole other story...

lifesun

04-05-07, 01:03 PM

I just got an HR20 -700 installed 2 days ago and am having a few issues. I am in rural Michigan with the Detroit locals package. All HD and SD work fine, and I am very impressed so far (upgraded from a DTV SD Tivo), however I am having major sound issues with my SD locals. Detroit channel 50 CW is the only one that I really need as all the others are HD and work fine. I did check though and all of my SD locals are having the same issue. Its not a sync issue, its almost like a "ghosting" or an additional dialog channel coming through with various static, and squeaks etc. The SD locals are completely unwatchable. I have tried everything that I can think of: Reset the receiver, tried HDMI, optical and composite, tried it on another TV set even. Tried it with DD on and off, nothing changes it. Signal quality is 90% or more......except for the 99 sat, I have 0. When the installer was there, he told me that DTV does not use the 99 SAT in my area and that they don't install the LNB for it???? I have called DTV and they are having me wait 48 hours to see if its something on their end with the signal???? I also plan to call back and see whats up with the 99 lnb not being installed.

Also, the installer mounted the new 5lnb dish and only hooked my new HR20 to it. My other 4 receivers are still on the standard dual lnb dish that I had and all of my other receivers work fine.

Any ideas? DTV seemed to be clueless.....

Thanks,

veryoldschool

04-05-07, 01:11 PM

lifesun

04-05-07, 01:27 PM

I can only address the 99 "issue", since you have the 5 LNB disk, you have the LNB for the 99 SAT. It's part of the 99/101/103 "center" LNB.
You may not be getting a spot beam in your area from the 99 SAT, if your local HD comes from the 103 SAT.
I don't know of any reason not to have all of your equipment connected to the 5 LNB dish. "Worst case" would be the need for a multi-switch to provide enough coax feeds to all of your equipment. D* supplies these free.
I can't say "what" is going on with your SD sound...

Thanks for the response. I just got off the phone with DTV again and they confirmed what you stated about the 99 LNB...............sounds like the installer was mis-informed. They also had escalated my claim yesterday, however, they don't have an answer. Apparently they are going to call back within a few hours. If they can't come up with anything they are going to replace my HR20...........I guess we'll see how this goes! Kinda stinks because it works great except for the SD Locals!

veryoldschool

04-05-07, 02:04 PM

Thanks for the response. I just got off the phone with DTV again and they confirmed what you stated about the 99 LNB...............sounds like the installer was mis-informed. They also had escalated my claim yesterday, however, they don't have an answer. Apparently they are going to call back within a few hours. If they can't come up with anything they are going to replace my HR20...........I guess we'll see how this goes! Kinda stinks because it works great except for the SD Locals!
FWIW: you might try unplugging it for a while. This will "let" it reboot from "cold" & could [mind you I said could] make a difference.

Milenkod

04-05-07, 02:15 PM

"Your" NBC, is it SFO or SAC [or should I say KNTV or KCRA]? KCRA is [has] upgraded to local news in HD, and they're still "learning" where some of the buttons are in the control room.
KNTV is a whole other story...Yes...I get KNTV...it still sucks.

petergaryr

04-05-07, 02:19 PM

Anybody know what the solid circle with an "X" in the middle followed by a star means on the guide for a show that I have a season pass? When I advance to next week's "House" on the guide it's there, but info yields no clues. Is it some scheduling conflict that requires attention?

This from a post on dbstalk:

"The circle-with-the-X means it has a conflict with a higher priority show. Now, if you only have one working tuner, maybe it will only take one show with a higher priority than WHAT ABOUT BRIAN to cancel that record. Why you got a partial record of DAYS is very interesting... Usually the partial records are due to a software bug, but they end up deleting themselves... And I'm guessing you didn't have a higher priority show starting 18 minutes into DAYS OF OUR LIVES? "

You might need to re-order things in your Prioritizer.

veryoldschool

04-05-07, 02:32 PM

Yes...I get KNTV...it still sucks.
Yes, I've "heard" that. Why SAC does it better than SFO escapes me.

veryoldschool

04-05-07, 11:42 PM

Since it always shows up here...here is the link to the next beta test version:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=84534

kmullen

04-05-07, 11:57 PM

Since it always shows up here...here is the link to the next beta test version:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=84534
--------------------------
New feature(s)
Ability to receive Showcase
PPV purchasability dates and expiration dates now displayed in playlist
-----------------------------
Isn't the "showcase" where they used to D/L Sunday Ticket Shortcut Games?(Tivo)
I guess they fixed that PPV order thing, where you D/L an event, and not be
able to view it at a later time, as many times as you want?

Colo232

04-06-07, 12:07 PM

Question about resolutions:

My Samsung LCD TV supports 480p, 720p and 1080i and its native resolution is 720p.
Should I set my HR20-100 to:

A) Native=off and chose resolution 720p only.
B) Native=on and chose resolution 720p and 1080i.

One more question... what’s the best way to display Standard Definition programs?

Thanks all.

Macfan424

04-06-07, 12:39 PM

Colo232, there was some discussion of this here recently. Check posts 2285-2295. For more specifics, click on VOS's link in post 2293.

As I said earlier, my take is that there is no single best answer. It depends on the TV and the individual viewer. Experiment for yourself. Pick the setting that looks best to you.

If you can't see any differerence, I'd suggest you use native. If you have a problem with slow channel changes in native, pick either 1080i or 720p, whichever you like, and forget about it.

SD settings are also an individual matter. I, for one, can't stand any stretch mode. I always watch it 4:3 in 1080i because my TV produces much better color in 1080i than 480i (uses the HD color matrix). Exception: Because my Panasonic won't zoom HD signals, I change to 480i so I can zoom letterbox SD to fill the screen, opting for larger over clearer.

Again, YMMV, so experiment.

veryoldschool

04-06-07, 12:52 PM

+1
It's in the eye of the beholder... :)

bigjohn7

04-06-07, 01:30 PM

"futureproofing" question:

I have an "Eagle Aspen" model DTV4x8 multiswitch installed in my system & it's working great with my HR-10 and my two HR-20's. Will the Aspen be compatible with the signals from the new satellites when they come online or should I contact DTV for a replacement now, to avoid the rush?

Thanks!
John

LarryLA

04-06-07, 01:41 PM

[QUOTE=veryoldschool]So, since you have "just" four cables: it is either the dish & then you say you can swap cables and it still stays on input one as being bad. [B]If you've removed the BBC [the small "boxes" on the cable input] and it still doesn't change. It most likely is the HR-20, but two units shouldn't act the same.[/QUOT

Well, I finally found part of the problem with the Sat Input 1 with my HR20-700. After two swap outs with the same problem, I tried another TV to see if the problem might be interference, and it is. I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma mounted about 3' above the HR20 and it interferes with my local HD channels from Sat 103 Transponder 3 mostly on Input 1. All other HD channels from other satellites work fine. I hooked up a little 15" Sharp LCD set and everything works perfect. The signal strength on both inputs is 95 with the Sharp and roughly 50 and 95 (varies alot) with the Panasonic.

I don't know if the Panasonic is bad or just puts out lots of noise. I know I can't listen to AM radio when it is on! If anyone else has seen this problem and fixed it, let me know what you did. I have a call into BestBuy who installed everything, but have not got a return call yet.

Larry
Windsor, Colorado

veryoldschool

04-06-07, 01:47 PM

"futureproofing" question:

I have an "Eagle Aspen" model DTV4x8 multiswitch installed in my system & it's working great with my HR-10 and my two HR-20's. Will it be compatible with the signals from the new satellites when they come on line or should I contact DTV for a replacement now, to avoid the rush?

Thanks!
John
I can't find ANY reference to it working with Ka band SATs... so I'd guess it doesn't & that will be your problem.

bigjohn7

04-06-07, 01:51 PM

Thanks VOS, I knew I should have had them replace it last week when they installed the new HR-20. Any idea how long before the Ka band sats will be on line?

veryoldschool

04-06-07, 01:52 PM

So, since you have "just" four cables: it is either the dish & then you say you can swap cables and it still stays on input one as being bad. [B]If you've removed the BBC [the small "boxes" on the cable input] and it still doesn't change. It most likely is the HR-20, but two units shouldn't act the same.

Well, I finally found part of the problem with the Sat Input 1 with my HR20-700. After two swap outs with the same problem, I tried another TV to see if the problem might be interference, and it is. I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma mounted about 3' above the HR20 and it interferes with my local HD channels from Sat 103 Transponder 3 mostly on Input 1. All other HD channels from other satellites work fine. I hooked up a little 15" Sharp LCD set and everything works perfect. The signal strength on both inputs is 95 with the Sharp and roughly 50 and 95 (varies alot) with the Panasonic.

I don't know if the Panasonic is bad or just puts out lots of noise. I know I can't listen to AM radio when it is on! If anyone else has seen this problem and fixed it, let me know what you did. I have a call into BestBuy who installed everything, but have not got a return call yet.

Larry
Windsor, Colorado

Well it "sounds" like that TV doesn't pass FCC standards for radiation.

veryoldschool

04-06-07, 01:53 PM

Thanks VOS, I knew I should have had them replace it last week when they installed the new HR-20. Any idea how long before the Ka band sats will be on line?
A couple of months, +?

bigjohn7

04-06-07, 01:57 PM

Thanks! You're a wealth of information. DTV should be paying you for helping to keep their help line unclogged :D

veryoldschool

04-06-07, 02:31 PM

Thanks! You're a wealth of information. DTV should be paying you for helping to keep their help line unclogged :D
I do this because I've spent too much time on their phone merry-go-round..to get...the wrong answer.

JHouse

04-07-07, 06:31 AM

Result of my call. I'm on their "A" list so I qualify for some breaks. I called about 9:30 p.m central daylight time, and got sent automatically to "retention" because when I asked to be transfered, she said I was already there.
I have 2 HR-10-250's now and about 3 SD DirecTivos. They are going to send me 2 new HR20s (99 clams each) and one regular HD receiver (99 clams with 99 clam discount - so free) for my increasing needs, but some tax tacks on about 50 clams for a total of less than 250 guidas for the whole thing. WOW - four functioning HD DVRs and an HD Receiver! (no matter what room I get banished to, I should be ok). They are (of course) going send a guy out with a new 5LNB "narrow profile" dish, which he will install. Two new satellites are going up before the end of the year (she said "this is the year of HD") and I should have about 70 more nationwide HD channels shortly thereafter for no additional cost. The HR10's being MPEG 2 will work for another reasonably long while, but the HR20s are the new standard that is supposed to be here for years. It will ultimately be their "base package." Ordered on the 5th, delivery/install on the 17th. Hope you guys are right about the software glitches being taken care of. I'm pumped.

About a year ago when they first announced the plan for the MPEG4 technology and the new satellites (the last set they shot up) it was all about local HD channels and they had no idea when nationwide HD would ever show up, and they told me if I was happy with my OTA HD, I wouldn't get anything by adding the HR20s. I guess they knew then that the machines were glitchy then, and I would just bitch because it would be different and something new to learn for nothing. I was very appreciative of their candor. Apparently things are going to be very different in pretty short order, in the great scheme of things. Besides I need the new equipment for the new locations. This should be a good year visually.

rpgibbs

04-07-07, 08:02 AM

Is there any way to get rid of the history listing of programs recorded. It is getting pretty long now and I see no sense in keeping this list. Thanks

greywolf

04-07-07, 01:34 PM

Is there any way to get rid of the history listing of programs recorded. It is getting pretty long now and I see no sense in keeping this list. ThanksNo. The list uses no resources that impinge on other stuff so there's no reason to lose it. When it gets big enough to use its alotted space, the oldest go away.

Deezul

04-07-07, 06:23 PM

About a year ago when they first announced the plan for the MPEG4 technology and the new satellites (the last set they shot up) it was all about local HD channels and they had no idea when nationwide HD would ever show up, and they told me if I was happy with my OTA HD, I wouldn't get anything by adding the HR20s. I guess they knew then that the machines were glitchy then, and I would just bitch because it would be different and something new to learn for nothing. I was very appreciative of their candor. Apparently things are going to be very different in pretty short order, in the great scheme of things. Besides I need the new equipment for the new locations. This should be a good year visually.

Right now, outside of LiLs in HD of course, some areas are getting their regional sports channel in HD. I'm in the Washington area, and on my H20 and HR20, one channel maps to the SD feed and the other maps to the HD feed. I went through and turned off the SD feed when I do th guide and channel flip, as well. I think it's a nice surprise that's not talked about as much as the LiLs.

Deezul

Tyro

04-08-07, 03:32 PM

No. The list uses no resources that impinge on other stuff so there's no reason to lose it. When it gets big enough to use its alotted space, the oldest go away.

I think he wants to delete references to the PPV pr0n before his wife sees them
j/k
:p

veryoldschool

04-08-07, 03:57 PM

I think he wants to delete references to the PPV pr0n before his wife sees them
j/k
:p
maybe the "reset defaults" would do this. I can't remember how much it does more than delete the series links...

JHouse

04-08-07, 09:16 PM

Sorry, what's a LiLs?

veryoldschool

04-08-07, 09:28 PM

Sorry, what's a LiLs?
Local channels, or: Local Into Local

For things like this: http://www.dbstalk.com/acronyms.htm

Aaron3001

04-09-07, 12:44 AM

hello,

i'm new to the HR20, i just got in on Thursday. i got upgraded from the HR10-250. i have a question, hopefully someone can answer. my HR10 never did this but when changing channels from SD to HD my tv shows a fuzzy snow screen like the cable has gone out if i had regualr cable. the picture takes a few secs. but it shows up. flickinyg channels in SD is no problems. i have a phillips LCD with its latest firemware. the hdmi cable is a monster cable.

msmith198025

04-09-07, 11:12 AM

yampan

04-09-07, 01:02 PM

I have had my HR-20-100 for exactly a week now and must say the upgrade has been spectacular for me.

Before, because of my location, I could not receive any OTA. Now I get all the locals and network shows, and all the corresponding HD.

Before, I had to program the HR-10 and then separately program my Panny DVR to record a show in SD. Now I can press one button to record a show in HD, or press that button twice to get a season pass. This is a luxury for me.

The installation went smoothly; two men showed up and moved the dish location to the back of my house for better reception. Now it's not visible at all on approach.
They didn't do as good a job with my settings. When they left I wondered why Sunrise Earth looked so crappy. I discovered they had told the box that my tv only received 480i, so I had to add the other resolutions. They also did not enable Dolby.
A word to the wise-- recheck all your a/v settings.

I have to say that I am very pleased with this unit so far. I have increased my available HD stations by at least two fold. I can record in HD, and I can send the programs out to my DVR to be burned in SD. I can even record two shows at the same time, one in HD, the other in SD. Good deal!

Sure it scrolls the guide more slowly than the HR-10, and it takes longer to sync resolutions with a channel change, but I consider that minor, and those issues may improve with firmware updates. I haven't noticed any functionality glitches, so I assume the firmware is pretty recent.

Having read through this thread before purchasing, I did have some pre-installation reservations. Now I am very glad I pulled the trigger on this. To those of you still on the fence, based on my experience, I would say go ahead and upgrade; you won't be sorry.

Aaron3001

04-09-07, 06:11 PM

Do you have Native turned on on the HR20?

I think so, turn it off?

JHouse

04-09-07, 06:25 PM

Right. Turn it off. At least that's what I've read here. It isn't what you think.

veryoldschool

04-09-07, 07:48 PM

Right. Turn it off. At least that's what I've read here. It isn't what you think.
I'm not sure what is "thought", but I use native on & HDMI to my Bravia XBR2.
What it does is sent the broadcast signal to the TV in what ever resolution it was broadcast in. This way HD 720p & 1080i come through "native" & for SD I use 480p.
This has been debated many, many times and it should come down to what you like best.
Here's some lite reading if you want: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=81801

msmith198025

04-09-07, 08:20 PM

I think so, turn it off?

It can cause a slow down in the changing of channels.

The problem could also be the HDMI "handshake".

JHouse

04-10-07, 12:37 AM

Yes, "native" sends your display whatever the sources is broadcasting, and that means the DVR's tuner has to change resolution as you surf. Apparently that slows things down by either making the DVR slower to get the channels displayed or it gives your display too much work to do re-synching so frequently.

I recall that on some earlier tuners, there was a native output, that was always the same, and that's what "native" meant on those. This one apparently means native to the signal and not to the machine's default output.

That's as close as I can get.

veryoldschool

04-10-07, 01:37 AM

bidger

04-10-07, 08:42 AM

For me "channel surfing" is like using a VCR..becomeing a lost art.
What I watch comes from two places: 1) a series link recording, 2) from the guide.
"Hopping" through channels, I rarely do any more. FWIW

I didn't pay for a DVR and the associated service fee to channel surf. That's not to say I don't still watch live or buffered TV, that's how I watch the majority of my Sports programming. But, as you say, once you have a receiver with Guide info coupled with the ability to record your most-watched shows, channel surfing becomes pretty pointless.

yampan

04-10-07, 08:45 AM

ckeegan

04-10-07, 08:52 AM

For me "channel surfing" is like using a VCR..becomeing a lost art.
What I watch comes from two places: 1) a series link recording, 2) from the guide.
"Hopping" through channels, I rarely do any more. FWIW

You're right, channel surfing was fine when you had 40 +/- channels to go through. In the age of 185 or so channels (probably 50 of which are actually useful), you could channel surf indefinitely because it'd take you an entire 30 minute timeslot to find something to watch.

<----------------------->

A little about the Native On/Off debate. I've had my HR20 for a little more than a month now, and had always had Native Off (per the recommendation of D*). Last night (before reading these recent posts), I decided to give Native On a shot, and unless my mind is playing tricks on me, I think the SD content looks better. I can deal with the 1 second lag between channel change. BTW, running the HR20 to a 50" SXRD(XBR1) via HDMI.

veryoldschool

04-10-07, 11:17 AM

yampan

04-10-07, 12:29 PM

you're in "the right place" with the prioritizer, but I don't know if the high is the "visible" one or not. I "think" the higher one is what gets the tuner first & then the second one gets the "leftover" tuner which [for me] is the visible program.
I guess you should do a "quick test" to know for yourself [and then you can post it here for all of us :) ]

Good idea. I'll do a test record and post the results.

dhkinil

04-10-07, 12:39 PM

Good idea. I'll do a test record and post the results.

I believe you can also control this by tuning to one of the two channels ahead of time. Say you want to simultaneously record programs on HDNet and local CBS. If you tune to HDNet before it starts to record and turn your TV on after, I believe it will be tuned to HDNet. :)

Marco33

04-11-07, 12:09 PM

Has anybody had any sucess with these hacks?

They are supposed to let you get to the guide with one button press.

On the receiver itself do the following:
Press and hold the "Guide" button
While still holding the Guide button, press the "Active" button
Release both buttons

Using the remote:
Press the "Exit" button to back out of the guide.
Now Press the "Guide" button on the remote to go straight to the programming guide.
Once in the programming guide, a second press of the guide button will bnring you to the filter list.

OR

SEARCH BY KEYWORD-IAMANEDGECUTTER
CATEGORY-ALL
WHEN IT FINDS NO MATCHES-ON THE FRONT PANEL OF THE HR20, PRESS MENU AND INFO AT THE SAME TIME THEN RELEASE.

THEN YOULL SEE THE OPTIONS SCREEN.

ANIMATIONS-SCROLLING AND PAGING
GUIDE KEY- SHOW GRID SCREEN FIRST OR CHANNEL FILTER FIRST
PLAYLIST SORT- DEFAULT SETTINGS

You will only have to do the keyword search one time, future only have to hit menu / info on front panel.

dhkinil

04-11-07, 12:18 PM

Marco33

04-11-07, 12:23 PM

Tried it this morning, I'll give it another go.

veryoldschool

04-11-07, 12:28 PM

Some day this will be moved into the "normal" menu, but for now it's not a "hack" but a back door into the system from the CE [cutting edge and why "I'm an edge cutter"] testing.

Colo232

04-11-07, 01:09 PM

Is this "back door" open for the HR20-100?

Marco33

04-11-07, 01:12 PM

I have the 100s and it doesn't seem to work for me.

veryoldschool

04-11-07, 01:21 PM

Soon you will have a release more up to date than 012a.
IIRC: it came in the 0132 [or so] release.

Marco33

04-11-07, 01:28 PM

dhkinil

04-11-07, 01:42 PM

Just got my HR20 yesterday.

So far so good. Recording functions are easier.

Bringing up the guide and the guide layout is not very good. If you want to see whats on a channel all week, you have to click and click and click. With the hr10 you could see about 8 shows at a time.

Push the left arrow so that the channel name is highlighted, then push info, you will get a list of the next 7 or 8 shows, I can't remember how many, then keep pushing the channel down (or maybe channel up) and it will scroll a "page" at a time.

Marco33

04-11-07, 02:08 PM

Push the left arrow so that the channel name is highlighted, then push info, you will get a list of the next 7 or 8 shows, I can't remember how many, then keep pushing the channel down (or maybe channel up) and it will scroll a "page" at a time.

That works great except once you click on a show to record it, once your done your brought back to the original day.

I remember the HR10 used to do the same thing for a while. Till they updated the software.

yampan

04-11-07, 03:46 PM

To VOS, or whomever can help,

If I schedule two shows to record at the same time, how do I know, with certainty, ahead of time, which one will be sent to the outputs? Will it be the one on top in the "To Do" list; will it be the higher priority program? Is that the same thing?

Thanks in advance.

(Originally posted by VeryOld School )
you're in "the right place" with the prioritizer, but I don't know if the high is the "visible" one or not. I "think" the higher one is what gets the tuner first & then the second one gets the "leftover" tuner which [for me] is the visible program.
I guess you should do a "quick test" to know for yourself [and then you can post it here for all of us ]

O.K. I've done some experimenting, and here's what I determined.

The prioritizer really does not affect the stacking order of the "To Do List". In fact I could not get any one time recorded shows to appear in the prioritizer, only "season passes". Changing the priority of those did not change the stacking order in the To Do List.

Generally, the TDL stacks shows vertically, top to bottom, with the highest ones closest to being recorded- makes sense. However, when you schedule two shows to begin recording at the same time, they are stacked alphabetically, with the show on top being closer to the beginning of the alphabet (or starting with a number). If you just let them record as is, the top show will be the visible one, i.e., sent to all the outputs and available to your DVR or VCR. Since, there is no way I know of to change the stacking order, this will mean the show you would have chosen to be visible will not be visible about half the time.

The good news, is there's a simple solution for this. It has to do with the HR-20 software that makes a single recorded show always record on the invisible tuner so that it does not interrupt what you might be watching on tv. Once that tuner locks on to that show it will stay there until the recording is over.

So what you do is this. Go into your To Do List and find the two shows that you have set to begin recording at the same time. Determine which one you want to be visible and sent to the outputs. Leave that show alone. Highlight the other show, press select and go to the info screen. Go to the menu on the left and select record, then go the the start time and set it to begin 1 minute early, and save the changes. Now when you go back to the To Do List, the stacking order has not changed, but it does show the new start time.

The show that starts 1 minute early will be invisible and will force the HR-20 to record the second show on the "visible" tuner.

This technique can also be used even if you have only one show you want to record in HD, but want to automatically send it out to your DVR for burning to a "keeper" DVD. Just record a second show you don't care about 1 minute earlier, and then erase that show later. That way you can be sure the show you want will automatically be sent out even if you are out of the house or asleep. ;)

greywolf

04-11-07, 06:59 PM

That works great except once you click on a show to record it, once your done your brought back to the original day.

I remember the HR10 used to do the same thing for a while. Till they updated the software.I just did it and it came back to the selected slot, not the original day. Also, try just pressing the record button. I am using 0x14b software.

studdad

04-11-07, 09:02 PM

Marco33

04-11-07, 09:57 PM

I just did it and it came back to the selected slot, not the original day. Also, try just pressing the record button. I am using 0x14b software.

You are correct. I think it just goes back if you set up a season pass... or whats the term they use.

Also, how do you find out the V# of the software? I ask cause the 2x FF doesn't jump back a couple of seconds when you press "Play". Like on the HR10, you would press play to stop the FF and instead of playing right from that point it, intentional backs up a couple of seconds.

Mine doesn't, I asume it hasn't upgraded all the way... hopfully cause, I miss that.

What's weird is were is says ff at the right on the progress bar, it turns pink sometimes.

Netmaster

04-12-07, 05:37 AM

just a quick question. I am going to be upgrading my DTV DVR to HD DVR. What is the latest series in the model HR-20? Is it the 700 series, and should I be concerned about getting the latest model?

Thanks,,,,,,oh, and you will probably be hearing more from me once I get this thing installed.
The latest model is the HR20-100S. I know . . . it's maybe a bit confusing going from 700 to 100S but that's just they way they numbered this newest model. I just got mine, brand spankin new, this past Monday. Does it matter? Only if you want to make sure you have the absolute newest model that they make. I'd love to give you a comparison of the two from top to bottom, including all the options and video reception, but I just got mine and I'm totally nw to this HD DVR thing. If you are upgrading I'd definitly ask them for the latest model. Chances are pretty good you'll get a 100S.

yampan

04-12-07, 07:18 AM

just a quick question. I am going to be upgrading my DTV DVR to HD DVR. What is the latest series in the model HR-20? Is it the 700 series, and should I be concerned about getting the latest model?

Thanks,,,,,,oh, and you will probably be hearing more from me once I get this thing installed.

I received a new one last week and it was the HR-20-100. The firmware seems to be pretty up to date, because it has performed just fine so far. It scrolls more slowly than my old non HD/DVR model, and it takes longer to switch native resolutions upon changing stations, but the advantages of the HD recorder are remarkable. Enjoy! :)

spongebob

04-12-07, 10:01 AM

I received a new one last week and it was the HR-20-100. The firmware seems to be pretty up to date, because it has performed just fine so far. It scrolls more slowly than my old non HD/DVR model, and it takes longer to switch native resolutions upon changing stations, but the advantages of the HD recorder remarkable. Enjoy! :)

Can you request and be promised this model? My Dad wants to switch to HD but insists on black.

bob

greywolf

04-12-07, 10:04 AM

Macfan424

04-12-07, 10:49 AM

The latest model is the HR20-100S. I know . . . it's maybe a bit confusing going from 700 to 100S but that's just they way they numbered this newest model. I just got mine, brand spankin new, this past Monday. Does it matter? Only if you want to make sure you have the absolute newest model that they make. I'd love to give you a comparison of the two from top to bottom, including all the options and video reception, but I just got mine and I'm totally nw to this HD DVR thing. If you are upgrading I'd definitly ask them for the latest model. Chances are pretty good you'll get a 100S.
Actually, the 100/700 designation isn't about "the latest model." It designates the manufacturer.

As it happens, the Thompson/RCA made version (100) just started appearing in the past few weeks, so it is more recent. The "S" is for silver. There is supposed to be a black one, too, although I haven't seen anyone report getting one yet.

Typically, D* gives their manufacturers a little latitude in the specs, so each iteration may have its own quirks, including slightly different versions of the software. It doesn't make one "later" or "better" than another, although the differences may be important to some people under certain circumstances.

veryoldschool

04-12-07, 12:04 PM

Actually, the 100/700 designation isn't about "the latest model." It designates the manufacturer.
As it happens, the Thompson/RCA made version (100) just started appearing in the past few weeks, so it is more recent. The "S" is for silver. There is supposed to be a black one, too, although I haven't seen anyone report getting one yet.
Typically, D* gives their manufacturers a little latitude in the specs, so each iteration may have its own quirks, including slightly different versions of the software. It doesn't make one "later" or "better" than another, although the differences may be important to some people under certain circumstances.
You are correct...
the HR20-100B is now in the supply stream.
While I don't think the specs change between the manufacturers, "how" they do it does.
Both the -700 [now made in China] & the -100 [made in Mexico] are "current".
The software for [in] the -100 is a bit behind the -700, but beta testing for it is in progress to bring it up to date.

To see what version software is running: go into the setup menu & then select system info. Scroll down & you will see the original version & the last update below it.

yampan

04-12-07, 04:06 PM

Can you request and be promised this model? My Dad wants to switch to HD but insists on black.

bob

That may depend on where you are located and how much of which model is in the pipeline locally. When I ordered mine, I was told they were out of stock and got an install date some 5 weeks out, so I figured mine would be the newest model, and it was. But your area may be entirely different.

As for requesting a particular model from DTV, good luck. My CS rep knew it was an HR-20, but that's all.

Sorry, I have no info on the black model.

studdad

04-12-07, 07:22 PM

Thanks Everyone!!

Deezul

04-12-07, 10:27 PM

Jump back on FF is a Tivo copyright. With the HR20, press the replay button a few times instead of the play button for the same effect. See the tips and tricks thread for all sorts of good info on using the HR20. http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=747592

Jump back is a copyright? Because I was just at my parents' house this past weekend and watched shows on their Motorola DVR from cable. It had jump back as well whenever I was fast forwarding. I swear it was jump back, as I would hit play the moment I saw the show and it would begin normal speed in the commercial right before the show.

Deezul

kevin75

04-12-07, 10:40 PM

i got my new hr20 a few weeks ago and so far i am very happy with it. it is black on the outside if that helps anyone. i love the fact that it gives me an indicator as to how much of my hard drive i have used up. so far so good.

one thing though, is there a slo-mo on the remote? i haven't been able to find one.

veryoldschool

04-12-07, 10:52 PM

i got my new hr20 a few weeks ago and so far i am very happy with it. it is black on the outside if that helps anyone. i love the fact that it gives me an indicator as to how much of my hard drive i have used up. so far so good.
one thing though, is there a slo-mo on the remote? i haven't been able to find one.
So you have an HR20-100B
But no slo-mo to my knowledge...

greywolf

04-13-07, 12:12 AM

Jump back is a copyright? Because I was just at my parents' house this past weekend and watched shows on their Motorola DVR from cable. It had jump back as well whenever I was fast forwarding. I swear it was jump back, as I would hit play the moment I saw the show and it would begin normal speed in the commercial right before the show.

DeezulMore accurately, it's a Tivo patent. The box you mention must be a Tivo or the company is paying Tivo for the rights or they are doing a set jumpback rather than a determined jumpback. From http://forums.directv.com/pe/action/forums/displaypost?postID=10228786

it's US Patent #6,850,691. Just go to http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html and do a search for that patent number.

Larry J

04-13-07, 12:16 AM

Just hold the play button down if you want slow motion, it takes a few seconds before it takes effect.

spongebob

04-13-07, 01:23 AM

So you have an HR20-100B
But no slo-mo to my knowledge...

hold down the play button

bob

veryoldschool

04-13-07, 02:55 AM

hold down the play button
bob
Thank you both...
I spend more time skipping through commercials than looking for slow anything, but it doesn't mean I can learn something more... :)

greywolf

04-13-07, 09:04 AM

Hitting pause then stepping frame by frame using the FF button is an alternative to catch something right away.

TWilly

04-13-07, 03:15 PM

I just received the HR-20-100 day before yesterday in South Austin, and it is glossy black.

jamieh1

04-14-07, 09:00 AM

Sat night 11pm eastern - 2:30am

cutting edge software update by force update method.

no release notes yet but will contain features from the last CE update

SHOWCASES ENABLED
PPV PURCHASE DATES AND EXPIRATION DATES IN PLAYLIST ENABLED
FFX4 IMPROVEMENT
LOW VHF OTA IMPROVEMENT
and more
visit the dbstalk.com cutting edge thread for more.

hockeynut

04-14-07, 01:35 PM

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 01:40 PM

Does anyone know if there is a way to swap remotes?
I have an IR remote for my HR20. My H20 receiver uses an RF remote. Is there anyway to switch these so I can use the RF for the HR20. I know I can program the RF remote to work on the HR20 receiver but I would rather just swap them so I won't have to use up one of the AV selections on the remote.
Thanks!
Yes you "should" be able to change them. IIRC: you would need to set them to IR as this is the default for both. I think in this setting both of my H & HR would turn on when I pressed the power button.
After they're both in IR, then use the one you want & change that to RF with the receiver you want .

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 01:53 PM

Kenn157

04-14-07, 01:54 PM

I wish I were going to be home tonight in time.

spongebob

04-14-07, 03:06 PM

Yes you "should" be able to change them. IIRC: you would need to set them to IR as this is the default for both. I think in this setting both of my H & HR would turn on when I pressed the power button.
After they're both in IR, then use the one you want & change that to RF with the receiver you want .

How do you tell?

i have an hr-20 and a r15. The hr20 won't do rf even tho it is suggested that it should?

bob

dapope

04-14-07, 03:31 PM

Sorry if this has been asked, just went thru 36 pages, havent seen it, does any1 know the results of using one feed from a triple lnb hd dish, and the seconds feed of the new 5 lnb dish into the HR20 would be? The reason i ask is, where they're going to put the new 5lnb dish it will have problems with 119. I would love to have them replace my 3lnb with the 5'er, however its mounted on a C-Band pole about 7 feet high, and the installers wont mount the new one there.I tried to bribe cajole whatever, but, directv installers dont want to think outside of the box, its not like the old days where you could call your local installer, tell him where and what you needed, then just ask how much :(.
If any1 knows an installer who still does "custom" intalls please let me know.

Im thinking the hr-20 will get 119[ from 3lnb dish] on one tuner, and not the other..

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 04:10 PM

How do you tell?

i have an hr-20 and a r15. The hr20 won't do rf even tho it is suggested that it should?

bob
The HR20 should do RF [but some made in China are defective].
How do you tell? Tell what?
What model remotes do you have?

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 04:23 PM

spongebob

04-14-07, 04:57 PM

The HR20 should do RF [but some made in China are defective].
How do you tell? Tell what?
What model remotes do you have?

How do you tell what model the remote is? So, all HR-20-700's *should* do RF? So mine is defective? (cuz it don't)

thx

bob

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 05:07 PM

How do you tell what model the remote is? So, all HR-20-700's *should* do RF? So mine is defective? (cuz it don't)

thx

bob
upper left corner: RC 24, 34 are RF & RC 32 isn't.
Where was your HR-20 made? [read label on back/bottom].

dapope

04-14-07, 05:12 PM

There is any easier way the what you're "thinking" with less problems.
You can connect two dishes together with multi-switches, but Yes you might [should] call around for someone that "does this for a living" and therefore "knows" what to do.
What is the diameter of the pole? You would need a 2" OD to mount the 5LNB & there are adapters now.

Can you explain the benefits of connecting the 2 dishes via a multiplexer?, The pole has been on my roof since the old C-Band days 1987, i use to have a 12ft dish mounted on it, i think the diameter is 4" , its a 10' pole mounted via a horse mount ,very solid . Would the multi combine the triple lnb dish sats with the 5 lnb dish sats and allow me to get all the sats , and all lines out of the multi will push thru the sats available on both dishes ?, that would be great.

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 05:24 PM

Can you explain the benefits of connecting the 2 dishes via a multiplexer?, The pole has been on my roof since the old C-Band days 1987, i use to have a 12ft dish mounted on it, i think the diameter is 4" , its a 10' pole mounted via a horse mount ,very solid . Would the multi combine the triple lnb sats with the 5 lnb sats and allow me to get all the sats , and all lines out of the multi will push thru the sats available on both dishes ?, that would be great.
1) you don't multiplex. You multi-switch.
2) the control signals [voltage & 22 kHz tone] are shared making it harder.
3) the two dishes could be "summed" before the multi-switch, but then you would be driving two LNBs and that would be more DC power, so a "locker" would be needed to supply the power [or an powered multi-switch].
4) if you could adapt "down" the 4" to 2", then "I think" [as in I'm not there to don't know] you're set to use the AT/AU9 [5LNB] dish with less cost & a simpler setup.

dapope

04-14-07, 05:48 PM

dapope

04-14-07, 06:04 PM

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 06:05 PM

"4) if you could adapt "down" the 4" to 2", then "I think" [as in I'm not there to don't know] you're set to use the AT/AU9 [5LNB] dish with less cost & a simpler setup"
sORRY, NOT sure what you mean by adapt down from 4 to 2 ..
Say the 4" pipe could have a "sleeve" mounted on it that "necked down" to 2".
Or that it was threaded & so you could use pipe fittings to "adapt" to a 2" pipe.
You would have a very solid mount that the 5LNB dish would mount to & you're "set".
Look at the website for your mount & they might offer the "sleeve" or adapter.

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 06:06 PM

ahh. i also have attached to the base[horse] of the C-Band pole a radio shack 6' or 9' pole which is secured to the 10' pole and holding a uhf antenna. I could possible get another 6' pole , and attach that to the 10 footer, and possibly mount the AT/AU9 to that....i hope :)
You're "getting it".

I use U-bolts to mount the 5 LNB dish [mast] to my UHF pole [not from Radio Shack though].
Just more "out of the box" ways...

dapope

04-14-07, 06:16 PM

Ya think this one will work, the one i have, just took it out of my garage is a 6 footer.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062034&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032207&fbn=Type%2FMounting+hardware&f=PAD%2FProduct+Type%2FMounting+hardware&fbc=1&parentPage=family

spongebob

04-14-07, 06:21 PM

upper left corner: RC 24, 34 are RF & RC 34 isn't.
Where was your HR-20 made? [read label on back/bottom].
:confused:

I have a RC34. It is or isn't RF?

Made in China

bob

dapope

04-14-07, 06:29 PM

You're "getting it".

I use U-bolts to mount the 5 LNB dish [mast] to my UHF pole [not from Radio Shack though].
Just more "out of the box" ways...

Im going to have to use an additional pole, as the pole for the uhf is on the wrong side of the 4" wide C Band pole, and i'd rather not mess with moving it around. Cant wait to hear their excuses for not doing the job this time. I really wish i could just pay an installer to do the job, and forget about it, unfortunately directv will not ship out the hr 20 or this dish to customers, CSR said these are the only 2 things they're not allowed to ship to us.

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 06:30 PM

:confused:
I have a RC34. It is or isn't RF?
Made in China
bob
Oops...the RC 34 IS RF & if I could type..RC 32 isn't.

Remotes are all made in China, but it's the HR-20-700 made in china that some don't work in RF mode.
If yours is one you will need to call D* & get them to replace it. [took two min for the last member that called, as if they already know].

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 06:37 PM

Im going to have to use an additional pole, as the pole for the uhf is on the wrong side of the 4" wide C Band pole, and i'd rather not mess with moving it around. Cant wait to hear their excuses for not doing the job this time. I really wish i could just pay an installer to do the job, and forget about it, unfortunately directv will not ship out the hr 20 or this dish to customers, CSR said these are the only 2 things they're not allowed to ship to us.
You would want that "thick" pipe. Loews, home depot: 2" outer diameter steel pipe & then bolt "the crap out of it" to your 4" mast.
The dish is just under 50 lbs & shouldn't move [at all] for good signals.

dapope

04-14-07, 06:44 PM

You would want that "thick" pipe. Loews, home depot: 2" outer diameter steel pipe & then bolt "the crap out of it" to your 4" mast.
The dish is just under 50 lbs & shouldn't move [at all] for good signals.

Thanks alot veryoldschool, i'll take a trip to Home Depo tomorrow and pick up ple and u bolts..

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 06:56 PM

Thanks alot veryoldschool, i'll take a trip to Home Depo tomorrow and pick up ple and u bolts..
Make sure the pole is plumb as the dish will be sitting on top of it & also that you have enough clearance that the dish won't hit anything [like the 4" pole].

dapope

04-14-07, 07:11 PM

Make sure the pole is plumb as the dish will be sitting on top of it & also that you have enough clearance that the dish won't hit anything [like the 4" pole].

I'll let the Directv installers set up the new pole :)

veryoldschool

04-14-07, 07:21 PM

I'll let the Directv installers set up the new pole :)
I would say...better yet, but I had the installer from hell & needed to do everything [myself], but he did manage to back over my mail box by himself... :mad:

dapope

04-14-07, 07:29 PM

I would say...better yet, but I had the installer from hell & needed to do everything [myself], but he did manage to back over my mail box by himself... :mad:

heh, i think all these directv installers would qualify for that title :)

JT01

04-14-07, 10:57 PM

[QUOTE=spongebob]:confused:

I have a RC34. It is or isn't RF?

I have an RC23. Is this RF or not? Thanks.

Deezul

04-14-07, 11:29 PM

[QUOTE=spongebob]:confused:

I have a RC34. It is or isn't RF?

I have an RC23. Is this RF or not? Thanks.

If the remote has the FCC sticker that says it complies with Part 15, it's RF. It's on the back of the remote.

Deezul

jamieh1

04-14-07, 11:51 PM

axmode

04-14-07, 11:58 PM

I was trying to connect my D* HR20-700 to my Sammy 4096 via an optical sound cable to get digital sound, but I get no sound!. I only get sound by using the Audio cable. Any suggestions?. TIA.

veryoldschool

04-15-07, 12:22 AM

[QUOTE=spongebob]:confused:

I have a RC34. It is or isn't RF?

I have an RC23. Is this RF or not? Thanks.
RC23 NOT RF

spongebob

04-15-07, 12:53 AM

[QUOTE=JT01]

If the remote has the FCC sticker that says it complies with Part 15, it's RF. It's on the back of the remote.

Deezul

I have the sticker. So my Chinese recever is defective?

thx

bob

rpgibbs

04-15-07, 07:24 AM

Had my system upgraded to 5LNB with the HR20-700 upgraded several weeks ago and occasionally lose all local HD stations (3 network channels). I am able to get the locals in HD OTA. Called D* last week and they checked and said everything was ok. What gives? Is the HD Locals signal (MPEG4 from the satellite) the problem? Just looking for answers. Thanks

veryoldschool

04-15-07, 09:56 AM

I have the sticker. So my Chinese recever is defective?
thx bob
Well, you wouldn't be the first with a HR-20-700 made in China, to have it defective for RF remote operation.

studdad

04-15-07, 03:03 PM

I just got my HR20-100 yesterday. Have been trying to learn the new remote and screens, but have to say it is very different and lacking in many areas from my old regular DVR (samsung). Anyway, I set up several Season Passes (thats what they called it on the Samsung, but I think it is just the VOD list or something on this new unit), and when I set up LOST to record, I changed the settings to First Run Only. Unfortunately, it decided to also record a repeat from last week. I wanted to delete that repeat (not the whole series), so I went into the To Do List, clicked on the one I wanted to delete, and guess what, no such option is available. From what I can see, you have to delete the whole series. Does anyone know how do delete just one item on the To Do List?

Also, the tech set up the box to Native, is that the correct setting? I notice when I am on no HD channels the Mode is at 480i, is that correct (it better be, because thats the only option it gives me). My TV is a Sony 36xs955 (a 4:3 HDTV). I have HDMI cables running from the DVD (Oppo 981) and HD DVR to my receiver (Yamaha 661), and a single HDMI running from the receiver to the TV (tv only has one HDMI in). I also have to say that regular channels dont seem quite as clear as they used to (when I just had regular Directv), and HD channels are not as clear as I thought they would be (excellent picture, just doesnt "POP" like I have seen on other peoples setups). Any suggestions on how to get the best picture possible?

Thanks for any help in advance!!!

jamieh1

04-15-07, 10:14 PM

Check in the SETUP MENU>
TV TYPE>
TV RESOLUTIONS TAB>
make sure that all are checked
480i
480p
720p
1080i

Since your receiver is set to NATIVE, then the receiver will go to the correct resolution automatically.

On my 40"LCD Samsung LN-T4042H my standard def channels play using 480p instead of 480i.
They are clear.
Most progressive tvs play better standard def using 480p.

To do this go back in and uncheck 480i out of the resolutions list.

studdad

04-16-07, 01:06 AM

Jamieh, thanks,,,,any ideas on how to delete individual programs in the To Do List?

Netmaster

04-16-07, 02:51 AM

Dont forget about the beta software update going on now for the HR20-700.

To get it, reset dvr and when welcomescreen comes on hit 02468 on the remote.
Should find new software version 0x14f

visit the CE CUTTING EDGE thread at www.dbstalk.com
for info also right now chat at www.chat.dbstalk.com

Yeah the new HR20-100 should be getting an update soon. Right now (according to the D* official website forum) they are all running on older 700 software and some have reported occasional audio distortion or "buzzing" that usually lasts around a few minutes or until the channel is changed to another channel and back again (I've heard it as well). The new software is coming out real soon and will fix the occasional audio "buzzing". It happens very rarely (in my case at least) but it bugs the heck out of you when it does happen. It seems to only happen on HD locals.

greywolf

04-16-07, 09:15 AM

Jamieh, thanks,,,,any ideas on how to delete individual programs in the To Do List?Use the stop button.

studdad

04-16-07, 06:42 PM

Greywolf, Thank You Very Much!!!

hockeynut

04-16-07, 11:59 PM

Yes you "should" be able to change them. IIRC: you would need to set them to IR as this is the default for both. I think in this setting both of my H & HR would turn on when I pressed the power button.
After they're both in IR, then use the one you want & change that to RF with the receiver you want .

veryoldschool, thank you for your response. I found the one thing I did need to do first was, like you said, to change both intially to IR, then the other thing that needed to be done was to "reset" the remotes.

dapope

04-17-07, 05:16 PM

Marco33

04-17-07, 05:41 PM

Got the call from Halstead [directv installers] and we're on for tomorrow am, i went over with them everything they are supposed to bring over to get the job done, and was told all is on the order sheet, and will be on the truck. I had called directv Tech support over the weekend and we went over the 2 ways to do this install,[ 1, add 5' pole, and 2, using a multi switch to combine the current dish, and the new one].
Going to be an interesting morning :)

Good luck with that. Guy missed my 8-12 appointment, then the 2pm, then the 2:30, then the 4. Shows up a 4:30 ready to swap my unit for me. He relaized very quick that I had no unit to swap and that he was supposed to install a HR20 W dish. Leaves to get it. $236 in sorry's from D* latter...

HR10 Vs HR20

Pro
1. 30 second skip, the HR10 had it but, it was a hack/cheat and since I can't get the guide cheat for the hr20 to work I can't count the HR10's hack/cheat
2. Big clear guide
3. faster remote responce
4. overall video seems more clear than my h10
5. Clear guide to show OTA channels from the D* channels.
6. Crop for the SD programs

Cons
1. The double click guide, can't get the hack to work so, it's a con, all's fair.
2. The auto correct for FF (hit play and it starts right from there instead of backing up a bit.
3. the options seem lacking, like a diffrent looking guide that shows more channels.
4. Menu options not realy intuative, hard to figure, "My favorites"... doesn't jump out and say what it could be. Favorite shows? Favorite channels? Favorite what?
5. Jumping ahead in the guide, once you set a season pass... let's say, three days ahead of time, once set you are sent back to the current day. Kinda a hassle if you want to check what's on all week.
6. The extra color buttons, the HR10 pulled it off without them but now we need four extra buttons.

Overall I would have to say they are about equal... so far. If they fix the first 2 con's, that would put it ahead of the hr10.

dapope

04-17-07, 06:17 PM

I just wish they would allow me to have a local installer do the Dish, i dont care about paying for that, just dont really want to buy the dish and 6 to 8. But they dont allow it :(

Deezul

04-17-07, 06:18 PM

1. The double click guide, can't get the hack to work so, it's a con, all's fair.
2. The auto correct for FF (hit play and it starts right from there instead of backing up a bit.

Overall I would have to say they are about equal... so far. If they fix the first 2 con's, that would put it ahead of the hr10.

I got the single click guide hack to work; directions were simple enough. After using GUIDE->GUIDE to get the guide for 6 months, I really didn't notice it.

The second is unlikely as TiVo has a patent on it. What I do and others on here do is instead of pressing PLAY, press the quick rewide button when you return from a commercial. One or two of those usually does the trick.

If only the TiVo/DirecTV agreement would allow them to incorporate it into the HR20. Maybe with Liberty Media's purchase, TiVo will stick around with D*. I've said it here many times - Give me a MPEG4 DirecTV, and I'll play an extra $5 a month for TiVo DVR service!

Deezul

Marco33

04-17-07, 09:37 PM

I got the single click guide hack to work; directions were simple enough. After using GUIDE->GUIDE to get the guide for 6 months, I really didn't notice it.

The second is unlikely as TiVo has a patent on it. What I do and others on here do is instead of pressing PLAY, press the quick rewide button when you return from a commercial. One or two of those usually does the trick.

If only the TiVo/DirecTV agreement would allow them to incorporate it into the HR20. Maybe with Liberty Media's purchase, TiVo will stick around with D*. I've said it here many times - Give me a MPEG4 DirecTV, and I'll play an extra $5 a month for TiVo DVR service!

Deezul

I've tried 3 different hacks for the guide, none worked. Should be an option not a hack.

I'm with you, give me a Tivo style DVR.

twitchee3

04-17-07, 09:47 PM

The second is unlikely as TiVo has a patent on it. What I do and others on here do is instead of pressing PLAY, press the quick rewide button when you return from a commercial. One or two of those usually does the trick.
Deezul
Patent or not, my Adelphia Cable provided (currently serviced by Time Warner Cable) Motorola Moxi box incorporates this feature and i've learned to love it when fast forwarding through commercials.

It's too bad to hear that the HR20 does not have this functionality, as we will most likely be switching to D* and these receivers since cable service has gone downhill here in SoCal.

veryoldschool

04-18-07, 02:29 AM

I've tried 3 different hacks for the guide, none worked. Should be an option not a hack.
I don't call this a "hack" as it is more a back door from Beta testing that is in the national release & still waiting to be put in the GUI.
This will only work with the -700 software:

To Enable One-Click Guide
* These steps must be done on the front panel of the HR20-700
Make sure you are watching LIVE TV
Push and HOLD the GUIDE button
When the filter screen appears, push and let go of the ACTIVE button
Let go of the GUIDE button
Push the GUIDE button again.

On the remote:
Exit out of the guide
Now push the GUIDE button to see use the One-Click Guide

dapope

04-18-07, 10:38 AM

wco81

04-18-07, 11:08 AM

I don't call this a "hack" as it is more a back door from Beta testing that is in the national release & still waiting to be put in the GUI.
This will only work with the -700 software:

To Enable One-Click Guide
* These steps must be done on the front panel of the HR20-700
Make sure you are watching LIVE TV
Push and HOLD the GUIDE button
When the filter screen appears, push and let go of the ACTIVE button
Let go of the GUIDE button
Push the GUIDE button again.

On the remote:
Exit out of the guide
Now push the GUIDE button to see use the One-Click Guide

Are they eventually going to roll this functionality out or will you always have to enable it this way?

UncD2000

04-18-07, 11:21 AM

Deezul

04-18-07, 11:33 AM

It's sad that only those HR20 owners who frequent these forums enjoy the full functionality of the unit. The majority of owners probably rely on the very basic info in the instruction manual and a few other things that they might stumble onto.

What I find sad is quite a few people here don't read the manual, then post questions here that are clearly in the manual. I've found a few juicy tidbits in several AV components I have that I wouldn't have discovered by simply tinkering.

Case in point, usually folks come in here asking how to turn off the blue ring because it's too bright. Page 45, there it is...

Deezul

UncD2000

04-18-07, 11:57 AM

ckeegan

04-18-07, 12:02 PM

Patent or not, my Adelphia Cable provided (currently serviced by Time Warner Cable) Motorola Moxi box incorporates this feature...

And how much programming does your Moxi hold? Not even close to the HR20. I dumped Charter (Moxi 9022) about 2 months ago, switched to D* (HR20-700), and I would take the HR20 over Moxi any day of the week.

veryoldschool

04-18-07, 12:03 PM

Are they eventually going to roll this functionality out or will you always have to enable it this way?
Since I'm no more than a customer of D*, I can only say "I think" they will.
"They" are just trying to decide "where" to put it in the menu [setup guide]. :)

veryoldschool

04-18-07, 12:07 PM

I agree, but even the page 45 instruction could be construed to mean the left and right arrows on the remote control. I knew that those buttons on the HR20 itself were the ones to use because I read it in this thread.
And then there was the red button reset one: I can't get it to reset. Really? What are you doing? I'm pressing the red button on the remote & it isn't working... :)

And then there is "I read the manual" & it says I can record two shows & watch a third one live...

Macfan424

04-18-07, 01:05 PM

Patent or not, my Adelphia Cable provided (currently serviced by Time Warner Cable) Motorola Moxi box incorporates this feature and i've learned to love it when fast forwarding through commercials.

It's too bad to hear that the HR20 does not have this functionality, as we will most likely be switching to D* and these receivers since cable service has gone downhill here in SoCal.IIRC, a some cable companies have licensed TiVo technology. Sadly, when D* chose to develop their own DVR they apparently were unwilling to pay TiVo for their patented technology. So D*s box will always be different, not necessarily worse, but will lack some TiVo features while adding some of their own.

Marco33

04-18-07, 02:14 PM

I don't call this a "hack" as it is more a back door from Beta testing that is in the national release & still waiting to be put in the GUI.
This will only work with the -700 software:

To Enable One-Click Guide
* These steps must be done on the front panel of the HR20-700
Make sure you are watching LIVE TV
Push and HOLD the GUIDE button
When the filter screen appears, push and let go of the ACTIVE button
Let go of the GUIDE button
Push the GUIDE button again.

On the remote:
Exit out of the guide
Now push the GUIDE button to see use the One-Click Guide

Hack / Cheat... If I want word play I'll talk to my wife. :)

Thanks for taking the time to tell me the code that works for you but like the other codes for the guide I've found on the site, that one also doesn't work for me. Must be the M# or the software version.

By the time they make it part of the regular menu, I'll be used to double tapping it.

veryoldschool

04-18-07, 03:13 PM

Hack / Cheat... If I want word play I'll talk to my wife. :)

Thanks for taking the time to tell me the code that works for you but like the other codes for the guide I've found on the site, that one also doesn't work for me. Must be the M# or the software version.

By the time they make it part of the regular menu, I'll be used to double tapping it.
What model HR-20 do you have?
IIRC: I would go into the guide, then press both buttons [on the front panel] then exit from the remote, & this would enable it when I pressed the remote again.
You need to have the -700 as the -100 doesn't have the software.

BTW: a "hack" I think is where I add something or modify a part to do something, where as following instruction from D* isn't quite the same to me. YMMV

Marco33

04-18-07, 03:38 PM

What model HR-20 do you have?
IIRC: I would go into the guide, then press both buttons [on the front panel] then exit from the remote, & this would enable it when I pressed the remote again.
You need to have the -700 as the -100 doesn't have the software.

BTW: a "hack" I think is where I add something or modify a part to do something, where as following instruction from D* isn't quite the same to me. YMMV

I have the 100s, guess that explains a lot. Guess the box isn't as new as the instalation.

veryoldschool

04-18-07, 03:48 PM

I have the 100s, guess that explains a lot. Guess the box isn't as new as the instalation.
"The box" is newer, but the software isn't.
You will see an update very soon [long before the H20 update] I think.

Marco33

04-18-07, 04:18 PM

"The box" is newer, but the software isn't.
You will see an update very soon [long before the H20 update] I think.

I'm running the 0X12a, version I believe.

veryoldschool

04-18-07, 04:25 PM

I'm running the 0X12a, version I believe.
Yeah, that's what came with the box. D* is working to have it become more "up to date". I'm not sure how much is different "inside" with this compared to the -700, but so far D* won't let it download the national release for the -700. FWIW

The one press guide came somewhere around 0x132.

Matt_G

04-18-07, 06:12 PM

Hey Gang, I got a new HR20 a few weeks ago. Here's a few impressions. First Dtv really takes care of thier customers when presented with a competitive offering. I don't expect that to happen more than once a month or even a year. so I got a good deal on it.

Next the install. They guys they sent out were not so bright. It took two days and it came down to the first box they tried had issues. With a good siganl it would get stuck in reading data. Second box went fine. They walked off with one of my wrenches that was setting about and they took the HDMI cable that came with the the unit which I didn't need right away. But still..those cables are expensive and one day... After a few calls they dropped my wrench off. I think it might have been accidental.

So after it was up and running, I found that it pulled in all locals well and locals off SAT are nice for those bad weather days when the game is on. I found all functions of the until to behave properly. I like the feel of the remote. Never-the-less I programmed my Pronto for it. the HR20 remote can be a bit sensitive and occasionally I will get a double action from a press of a button. The picture quality is very good. The box is small and has very little fan/hard drive sound (much less than my old TIVO). The animated blue lights are cool and dimmable.

I've seen folks talk about the guide and I found that if you edit a favorites with what you get/want and set it as the prefered, then the filters adapt that base set of channels. Like that.

Hey has anyone noticed that any of thier local HD channels off SAT have sound sent to the A/V reciever that is out of phase or perhaps slightly delayed from the sound that goes to the TV? I found one station that if the TV audio is on at the same time as the A/V receiver there is an echo effect. This does not happen when I tune in the off-air feed.

I think I waited just long enough to get it as all functions seem to work just fine. It's very nice to record and pause live HD. Rides, Nova, Lost, Movies look great! All for now.

dapope

04-19-07, 06:13 PM

upper left corner: RC 24, 34 are RF & RC 32 isn't.
Where was your HR-20 made? [read label on back/bottom].
Quick question, if you have the 32 , the hr20 is not rf capable? or, do you just need a different remote, ahla RC34 OR 24, and if so, where can one buy these?

bigcat

04-19-07, 07:34 PM

Anyone knows if the HR20-700 could be setup with two remotes (one IR and one RF)?

Or does the RF disable the IR receiver?

dapope

04-19-07, 09:02 PM

got it working, wheh :)

dapope

04-19-07, 10:18 PM

Well i always took the horror install stories with a grain of salt, got the call 8;30 am, they're on the way, they came on time, only thing is they had no dish or HR 20 BOX, the work order only called for mutli switch and running 2 lines..After 1/2 hour with Directv,and all the blah blah blah, they'll be bcak tomorrow for the 3rd time to do install of hr-20 and 5 lnb dish, the endless story continues

Well after the installers from hell yesterday,today they sent me 2 old timers who knew what they were doing, they only asked me what i would like to have done, gave them my thoughts, and, they did it all, with zero glitches. They were sub contractors for Halstead,not the usuall cookie cottage guys, very happy know , almost :), dont understand why they dont add pip to the ird , UTV had it along time ago ...............

veryoldschool

04-20-07, 02:52 AM

Anyone knows if the HR20-700 could be setup with two remotes (one IR and one RF)?

Or does the RF disable the IR receiver?
It is either or..RF or IR

veryoldschool

04-20-07, 02:56 AM

Quick question, if you have the 32 , the hr20 is not rf capable? or, do you just need a different remote, ahla RC34 OR 24, and if so, where can one buy these?
D* should have sent you an RF capable remote with the HR-20. Several have been sent with the wrong remote.
Call D* and have them send you the correct remote...
You can also get a back-lite remote that is the RC32-RF, which will "work in the dark" [which is what I use now].

spongebob

04-20-07, 09:47 AM

Oops...the RC 34 IS RF & if I could type..RC 32 isn't.

Remotes are all made in China, but it's the HR-20-700 made in china that some don't work in RF mode.
If yours is one you will need to call D* & get them to replace it. [took two min for the last member that called, as if they already know].

Yes, I have the RC-34 with the fcc sticker and my HR20-700 is made in China. Does the manual say that the unit will do RF? If not, I'd expect a battle w/ DTV?

bob

veryoldschool

04-20-07, 11:35 AM

Yes, I have the RC-34 with the fcc sticker and my HR20-700 is made in China. Does the manual say that the unit will do RF? If not, I'd expect a battle w/ DTV?
bob
"I think" the antenna [inside] isn't connected, which is why it doesn't work AS IT SHOULD.
The -700s that came from Mexico worked fine in RF mode.
D* shouldn't give you any problems as this IS a defect in your unit.

veryoldschool

04-20-07, 07:29 PM

I have the 100s, guess that explains a lot. Guess the box isn't as new as the instalation.
0x146 can be downloaded for the -100 with the RBR 02468...

robotman

04-20-07, 10:21 PM

I just got a new HR20 100 series.

When I am in RF mode, the unit responds really slow. Any ideas?

veryoldschool

04-20-07, 11:24 PM

I just got a new HR20 100 series.

When I am in RF mode, the unit responds really slow. Any ideas?
This sound like it is working [in the background]. See if it will speed up over the next day [or two at most].

robotman

04-21-07, 12:23 AM

Strange that IR works faster unless the RF requires different processing throught the software. The whole system is a little stuttery, so I'll give it a couple days as you suggest.

P.S. What is RBR? Is there a way to force download the latest software? The 100 seems to be only on x12a from what I read (and see on my unit).

robotman

04-21-07, 12:27 AM

harris48cars

04-21-07, 12:49 AM

I finally went LCD HDTV and ordered the Direct TV HD package. Of course I got the HR20 receiver. But I'm having problems and I've checked back quite a few pages of posts and haven't seen anyone talk or complain about the same problems I am having Simply put, my HR20 is inconsistent. I've had two units one manufactured in early Feb.. It would record parts of programs. Sometimes only a few minutes of a hour program. I like basketball and it is really aggravating to go to bed having just hit the record button and wake the next morning to find 2 minutes is all that recorded. This problem got worse as the first few weeks went by. I called Direct Tv and they sent a second receiver to me right away ( I had already tried resetting the unit numerous times). Well I have now had the second receiver for a few days (it was manufactured April 2, just two weeks ago) and it is simply pathetic. Same problem with recording. Today I had "The Rifleman" show set to record and it recorded 6 minutes and stopped. The second episode showed that it recorded the whole show but when I hit replay it played for about 20 seconds and went straight to delete. Just as bad is that when i interrupt a recorded program, say to check the news, when I come back to the recorded show It has gone back to the beginning and I have to fast forward , sometimes for an hour or two. I don't know if all HR20's do this but if so, I guess I will cancel service until Direct get's it right. Are there any alternatives to the Direct receiver?
Gary

veryoldschool

04-21-07, 01:23 AM

Also, is there any way to get the remote to control the volume on my stereo without switching the top slider to AVR1?

I have a Denon AVR2805. I can get the remote to control it in AVR1 mode, but it would be much more convenient to not have to move the slider back and forth to adjust the volume. This seems like poor design or I'm missing something.

Any suggestions?
RBR= Red button reset [the one behind the card access door on the front].
I'm not the master of the remote codes, but I think if you change the code for the TV settings you can have it work the AV receiver.
I have a Sony TV & AV receiver and somewhere I programing it where the vol worked the AV instead of the TV when the slider was in DTV.
There are many steps that you can use to program the remote.

Maybe Greywolf will come in & help you. [or send him a PM]

To force a software updat to 0x146-- press the red button [RBR] & when the blue lights start spinning, press 0 2 4 6 8 then wait

robotman

04-21-07, 01:44 PM

RBR 02468 worked great. I see lots of differences with x14a. Thanks.

There still seems to be a bug where when you search for a show by Title (maybe other ways, too) and hit the (R) button twice to record the series, it shows a single red circle even though it correctly sets the series link. If you go out of the screen and back in, you see the triple circles. I didn't see this bug listed anywhere, but it's a hard one to describe and search for by keywords.

I tried entering the Denon code when the slider was set on TV, but the remote wouldn't accept it. I'll PM Greywolf as suggested.

Thanks!

robotman

04-21-07, 01:49 PM

Oops... Greywolf isn't accepting PMs. Maybe he'll see this post.

Anyone else who might have a solution to the remote programming problem?

veryoldschool

04-21-07, 05:00 PM

Oops... Greywolf isn't accepting PMs. Maybe he'll see this post.

Anyone else who might have a solution to the remote programming problem?
Well you could come over to DBStalk & ask Edmund...he's the "master" of remotes over there.
Searches still need help.
As for the guide...it all depends, mostly on how long since the unit rebooted [like a RBR] as it takes some time for the guide data to back fill. Again one of those "check it again in a day or so" things.

greywolf

04-21-07, 05:08 PM

I know nothing about OEM remotes. I've used only learning remotes since 2001. Edmund is TivoBurkee on some boards. He's often at the remote control forum at http://forums.directv.com/pe/index.jsp and is the remote expert AFAIC.

sandiegojoe

04-22-07, 02:38 PM

veryoldschool

04-22-07, 03:33 PM

So I have the hr20 and the hd tivo. I just bought a laptop with a dvd burner and some software for recording television shows. Anybody know which is easier to reord via usb or firewire? (sd or hd is ok.) I just want to archive football games next season.
:confused: As neither of these would be how to transfer a recording into the laptop. You will need to use a S-Video input & a stereo sound input to the laptop along with the software to "capture" it [convert it to digital]. At least with the HR-20, that's what you would need to do [& SD only].

sandiegojoe

04-22-07, 06:41 PM

robotman

04-22-07, 09:22 PM

OK... got the remote to control the stereo volume while the slider is on DTV. I'll repeat how to do it here in case other people need help...

You have to go through a series of programming steps which the details are described on the HR20 help screens (but the overall process is not):

1) Program the TV codes while the slider is on TV.
2) Program the stereo codes while the slider is on AVR1.
3) While the slider is on AVR1, hold down the select and mute buttons and enter 9-9-3. Then press SELECT to transfer volume control to the controls when the slider is in the DTV position. (This is described, but not explained clearly in the instructions. Confusing!)

The OEM remote seems pretty powerful, but is very confusing to program since you have to enter special codes (in addition to the equipment codes) to get it to change default configurations.

Hope this helps someone else. Thanks for the link to the DirecTV support forums which are good for questions like this!

veryoldschool

04-22-07, 09:32 PM

gracias, yeah that's how i had been doing it with my old computer. picture came out ok. time consuming process though.

maybe it'd be easier to just upgrade the memory to have some extra storage space...
"the number crunching" is a killer for me. I use a 3 GHz dual core and it takes about the same time to render as watching it. With a 3 GHz HT [single core] it's about twice as long. 1 GB RAM in both. YMMV :)

yampan

04-23-07, 10:02 AM

"the number crunching" is a killer for me. I use a 3 GHz dual core and it takes about the same time to render as watching it. With a 3 GHz HT [single core] it's about twice as long. 1 GB RAM in both. YMMV :)

If I know I want to keep a show and reclaim HD space on my HR-20, I'll just record it to watch once in HD and simultaeously send it via S video to my DVR. It has a high speed mode that can burn a DVD in a few minutes. I find that a whole lot easier than trying to send it to a computer and redigitize it. You can only get it out of the HR-20 in SD anyway. FWIW.

veryoldschool

04-23-07, 11:40 AM

If I know I want to keep a show and reclaim HD space on my HR-20, I'll just record it to watch once in HD and simultaneously send it via S video to my DVR. It has a high speed mode that can burn a DVD in a few minutes. I find that a whole lot easier than trying to send it to a computer and redigitize it. You can only get it out of the HR-20 in SD anyway. FWIW.
When I'm making a DVD, I want to edit out the commercials which is why it needs to render the program again. [But that's just me & you method is much easier]

yampan

04-23-07, 12:10 PM

When I'm making a DVD, I want to edit out the commercials which is why it needs to render the program again. [But that's just me & you method is much easier]

I should have mentioned that I record it out to my DVR hard drive, which allows me to make chapters and edit also. Just between you and me, I'm way to lazy to do that most of the time. Fast forward 100X works for me. :)

dapope

04-24-07, 12:04 PM

I just got a 2nd remote for my 1 hr20, is there any special way to set the 2nd remote to also do RF?

veryoldschool

04-24-07, 12:37 PM

I just got a 2nd remote for my 1 hr20, is there any special way to set the 2nd remote to also do RF?
:confused: so you want two remotes to control the same HR-20 ?
If so: I would use the first to get into the setup menu for programing the remote. Then change to the IR setting with the second remote. Now using the second remote, I would then make the changes back to RF. This should give you both remotes setup for RF & the HR-20 setup for RF.
There may be an easier way, but this is how I did it [IIRC].

dapope

04-24-07, 02:15 PM

":( so you want two remotes to control the same HR-20 ?"

veryoldschool, thanks, but, why the sad face ? seems i've always had 2 remotes[ hd tivo,utv] just makes life a bit easier...

veryoldschool

04-24-07, 02:25 PM

":( so you want two remotes to control the same HR-20 ?"

veryoldschool, thanks, but, why the sad face ? seems i've always had 2 remotes[ hd tivo,utv] just makes life a bit easier...
That was the "confused" face as this would be the sad one: :(
but I used the: :confused:

But really: :) and you might have wanted to use one remote with two HR-20s also.. :D

studdad

04-24-07, 02:26 PM

Ok, I have had the HR20-100 for about a week so far. Not too many complaints, besides several steps to get to place you want to be, but I have to say, the remote is the worst I have ever had. Did they go to Toys R Us for this damn thing. It is on RF mode, and the damn thing constantly puts in duplicates (you press 2 and get 22, or nothing at all). It is a fine line between how hard you press, and the length of time you press as to whether the command will input at all or duplicate. RF mode is hit and miss, I thought it was a radio frequency, but I'll be damned if I dont have to point and click just like IR. And whats the deal with no backlight? Most people watch in fairly dark room at night, and being 45 my eyes arent the best anyway, so I have to guess where the damn FF, Stop, Pause, etc. buttons are. I know it will be easier as time goes on, but is a backlight too much to ask, or was Toys R Us out of bulbs the day mine shipped? Of course, the 100 series is not updated, so maybe it will get better when it is, but I still get intermittant (sp) sound loss and/or picture loss while viewing recordings from the DVR, and to tell you the truth, I like the HD picture, but I don't love it. I think they have downgraded the signal so often that you don't get much better than an anolog picture on really good analog TV. Oh well, I am tied into another 2 year contract, and if D* doesn't get their act together, I think they will have people flying from them to competitors....oh,, and what about the 100 channels they promised me in HD this year,,,,any update on that (I get about 11 right now).

veryoldschool

04-24-07, 02:32 PM