Way back in this thread there was considerable discussion about high levels of fan and/or hard drive noise from the HR20-700, but I haven't seen any such posts recently. Are the newer units still noisy?. I recall a fairly recent post saying his HR20-100 was quiet, but what about the newer HR20-700s?
"I think" that the noisy HR-20 [anything] were due to poor assembly of "that" unit. My two are from last fall & don't have the resonance that some have heard [and solved with padding & pressing down on the cover].

Way back in this thread there was considerable discussion about high levels of fan and/or hard drive noise from the HR20-700, but I haven't seen any such posts recently. Are the newer units still noisy?. I recall a fairly recent post saying his HR20-100 was quiet, but what about the newer HR20-700s?

FWIW, I have 3 HR20-700S units; one from Mexico, and two from China. All have assembly dates of March 2007. I did have a little vibration noise (humming?), however, I placed a small foam rubber pad on the bottom of each foot, and the "noise" went away! :)

Cheers,
John

Does anyone know off hand if the HR20 has active output from both compononent and HDMI at the same time?

Does anyone know off hand if the HR20 has active output from both compononent and HDMI at the same time?

Yes it does. I believe all the outputs are hot! I was going back and forth between component and HDMI to compare the differences. I am using HDMI now. Slightly better detail when using the HDMI. :rolleyes:

Yes it does. I believe all the outputs are hot! I was going back and forth between component and HDMI to compare the differences. I am using HDMI now. Slightly better detail when using the HDMI. :rolleyes:
You are right to beleive... :)

We have had on HR20-700 for about a month now and twice have problems with the remote or receiver box. Some functions mysteriously stop working and have to do a reset on the box which clears up the problem and the remote works properly. Anyone else having a similar problem? The first time I had the problem I called D* and was told to hit the reset button and wait and after rebooting was ok. Tech said that there was a know problem with the remote interface on the receiver box(HR20-700).

I have another problem between remote and box. When keying in a new channel with the number pad, sometimes the new channel is ignored at other times it changes the channel. I wind up hitting the select key several times in a row until the channel changes. This usually works, but sometimes not. I haven't had functions totally quit on me, but the remote -> receiver connection is definitely weird, as is the layout of the remote keys in the first place.

I have just started having this same problem (new channel entry being ignored) on a 7-month old HR20. In addition, it often reverses a few frames when I press FF. I'll try a reset to see if that helps. A longstanding problem that D* should address is the picture & sound freezing when Rew is pressed.

Yes it does. I believe all the outputs are hot! I was going back and forth between component and HDMI to compare the differences. I am using HDMI now. Slightly better detail when using the HDMI. :rolleyes:



Originally Posted by Sharp1080
Yes it does. I believe all the outputs are hot! I was going back and forth between component and HDMI to compare the differences. I am using HDMI now. Slightly better detail when using the HDMI.

You are right to beleive...


Thanks guys.

This will allow me to use HDMI for my projector, and component to my upstairs display.

I have another problem between remote and box. When keying in a new channel with the number pad, sometimes the new channel is ignored at other times it changes the channel. I wind up hitting the select key several times in a row until the channel changes. This usually works, but sometimes not. I haven't had functions totally quit on me, but the remote -> receiver connection is definitely weird, as is the layout of the remote keys in the first place.
Sounds like what has been "going around" where now [or sometimes] you need to hit "enter" to make the change with the number pad entry.

I have had this unit for going on 3 days now and could not find an answer in the manual. After setting your program record times 2-3 days in advance does the box need to be left on in order for the HR20 to record? :rolleyes:

I have had this unit for going on 3 days now and could not find an answer in the manual. After setting your program record times 2-3 days in advance does the box need to be left on in order for the HR20 to record? :rolleyes:
Well since the only way you can really "turn it off" would be by unplugging it,..
No, you can leave it in standby, by using that little button marked "off". Kind of dumb labeling huh? :)

Thanks, that's what I thought! Better to know than guess.

Has anyone tried using an eSATA drive on the HR20-100, v.0x146 (attaching then detaching the drive)? I have had the DVR for only a week but I can already see that I will need more storage space.

Has anyone tried using an eSATA drive on the HR20-100, v.0x146 (attaching then detaching the drive)? I have had the DVR for only a week but I can already see that I will need more storage space.
The software on the -100 was used first on the -700 so here is a link to eSATA for the HR-20: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=66201

To take advantage of a feature my plasma HDMI connection has I need to output from the HR20-100 a RGB signal. Is there any way to do this?

Thanks All

I got the HR20 about a week ago. So far it's crashed once due to storms and one of the recorded programs messes up about 1hr into the program. All else seems to be working good.

When activating the unit I haggled with the CSR complaining about the 2yr agreement that Bestbuy failed to mention when I bought it. Ended up getting free HD programing for a year and free DVR service for a year.

First question...Does the disk auto defrag? It seems like the system was making a lot of noise while I wasn't even recording. Just hoping I don't have a problem with this paticular unit.

Second question... I have the 3lnb dish, can I just use a standard splitter for the second sat input? Right now I am not able to watch another show while recording one.

Thanks!

It's always recording. It records live TV if not doing a specific recording. Splitters between receivers don't work. Communication between tuners and dish is two way and two tuners getting their signals combined gives unreliable results.

It's always recording. It records live TV if not doing a specific recording. Splitters between receivers don't work. Communication between tuners and dish is two way and two tuners getting their signals combined gives unreliable results.


This explains the HDD noise.

What are my options to get both tuners hooked up? Currently I have the incomming cable split for OTA and SAT.

Thanks!

This explains the HDD noise.

What are my options to get both tuners hooked up? Currently I have the incomming cable split for OTA and SAT.

Thanks!
Your dish has four outputs. You will need to run another coax from the dish to you HR-20.

This explains the HDD noise.

What are my options to get both tuners hooked up? Currently I have the incomming cable split for OTA and SAT.

Thanks!

As has been mentioned on these forums before, tune your HR20 to one of the channels that you do not get (like channel 95 for me) before you turn your TV off. That way, there is "nothing" there for it to record, and no hitting the HDD :)

This is what I do, FWIW

As has been mentioned on these forums before, tune your HR20 to one of the channels that you do not get (like channel 95 for me) before you turn your TV off. That way, there is "nothing" there for it to record, and no hitting the HDD :)

This is what I do, FWIW


Good idea...might help the MTBF.


And also thanks VOS for your help, I'll run that second cable next weekend.

This explains the HDD noise.

What are my options to get both tuners hooked up? Currently I have the incomming cable split for OTA and SAT.

Thanks!When you got the HR20, DirecTV should have installed a 5LNB dish. The 3LNB won't get local HD where available or the new HD channels due late this year. Half those channels will use the 250-750MHz band which will overlap OTA signals so diplexing OTA and Sat won't work with present equipment. For now, you need another line from the dish or a multiswitch that has four lines to the dish. You could get DirecTV to install a 5LNB dish and the new lines for the second tuner and OTA.

Another option is to wait for the Single Wire multiswitch now being tested to come out. It will allow one cable to carry both Sat feeds and the OTA feed which can again be taken out with a diplexer.

Another option is to wait for the Single Wire multiswitch now being tested to come out. It will allow one cable to carry both Sat feeds and the OTA feed which can again be taken out with a diplexer.

I thought the single wire multiswitch would allow for two SAT feeds, not split feeds. But I may be wrong. I'd be happy with both, as I have a third wire snaked through some closets to my bedroom. I wired it up originally with just two RG6 cables as it was a SD TiVo that was previously hooked up. Either solution would benefit me.

Deezul

I thought the single wire multiswitch would allow for two SAT feeds, not split feeds. But I may be wrong. I'd be happy with both, as I have a third wire snaked through some closets to my bedroom. I wired it up originally with just two RG6 cables as it was a SD TiVo that was previously hooked up. Either solution would benefit me.

Deezul
SWM requires four coax input feeds from the Dish.

SWM requires four coax input feeds from the Dish.

VOS, excuse my ignorance, but I am trying to picture how this new SWM will work. Will this "replace" my zinwell wb68, or will it be "in addition to"? And how (and what kind) of diplexers work? Does anyone have a schematic of "how" this will be wired up? And which manufacturer is making and testing this device? I need some visualization help. :)

Cheers,
John

Well since the only way you can really "turn it off" would be by unplugging it,..
No, you can leave it in standby, by using that little button marked "off". Kind of dumb labeling huh? :)


The Tech told me it won't phone in for an update unless the power is on. That can't be right, can it?

What do they do when the line is busy with one of the other DVR's calling in? Do they wait an hour, a day or just forget about it?

With the update you should be able to do this to inprove your options: press menu-->search-->keyword-->type "IAMANEDGECUTTER"-->continue-->when it finds nothings press and hold menu and info on the front of the box for about 2 seconds and let go. A menu will pop up and it will give you that [as in single press guide] option and a couple more.


VOS, What does this do? I'm didn't understand what question this was addressing.

The Tech told me it won't phone in for an update unless the power is on. That can't be right, can it?

What do they do when the line is busy with one of the other DVR's calling in? Do they wait an hour, a day or just forget about it?

The HR20 is never "off" unless it is unplugged. I've gotten updates (not the forced downloads) in the middle of the night with the unit in standby. I knew an update had happened because when it reboots, the "circle of lights" burns brightly.

I thought the single wire multiswitch would allow for two SAT feeds, not split feeds. But I may be wrong. I'd be happy with both, as I have a third wire snaked through some closets to my bedroom. I wired it up originally with just two RG6 cables as it was a SD TiVo that was previously hooked up. Either solution would benefit me.

DeezulSee http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=78249 for SWM information.

Result of my call. I'm on their "A" list so I qualify for some breaks. I called about 9:30 p.m central daylight time, and got sent automatically to "retention" because when I asked to be transfered, she said I was already there.
I have 2 HR-10-250's now and about 3 SD DirecTivos. They are going to send me 2 new HR20s (99 clams each) and one regular HD receiver (99 clams with 99 clam discount - so free) for my increasing needs, but some tax tacks on about 50 clams for a total of less than 250 guidas for the whole thing. WOW - four functioning HD DVRs and an HD Receiver! (no matter what room I get banished to, I should be ok). They are (of course) going send a guy out with a new 5LNB "narrow profile" dish, which he will install. Two new satellites are going up before the end of the year (she said "this is the year of HD") and I should have about 70 more nationwide HD channels shortly thereafter for no additional cost. The HR10's being MPEG 2 will work for another reasonably long while, but the HR20s are the new standard that is supposed to be here for years. It will ultimately be their "base package." Ordered on the 5th, delivery/install on the 17th. Hope you guys are right about the software glitches being taken care of. I'm pumped.


Update:

First Installation - 5 LNB dish not on the order. Installer said New Dish would burn out OTA channels on HR10-250's I was retaining. Called in for dish.

Service Call for Dish - Didn't come with an order to install a dish. Was for three other things I didn't call about. Got that straightened out on phone (using up phone battery completely). Nice new dish. Installer said first guy put filters in line before new receivers and the 3 LNB dish might have burned them out, but the story about 5 LNB dish burning out old HR10's was BS. They are multiplexed for locals as before, with locals coming in on satellite for HR20s. He found that one of the HR20s had not yet been able to complete its call after 5 days, and he said leave it on or it wouldn't call in (which I doubted) and that there was no way to force a call (which I also doubted after reading this thread). He said my distribution amp didn't have a broad enough frequency band and I needed a new one. D* called, they won't supply it, though I am paying for 5 HD receivers every month. When he left, everything worked, except it was very hard getting used to the glitches of the remote (freezes, delays, over running the start point when skipping commercials, couldn't find how to cancel an episode in the to do list, And the one I really hate, if something is partially recorded, and you select it to watch, it shows black, as if not recorded, and have to wait until it's finished recording to see it ....)

Locals get glitchy - 771 searching for signal - except on different ones at different times. No rhyme or reason. 2 out of 4 would work, 5 minutes later, they quit and the other two work. Now only Fox works. Made the call, got an appointment.

Service call 3: guy didn't show.

I call in a couple of days later because I was out of town in between, and they say it got late, and he called (which was a big fat lie as we were all here) and no one answered so they cancelled the call and left it at that. No attempt to reschedule on their part. Got a new appointment.

Service call 4: scheduled for this afternoon. Will let you know.

One of my 10-250's died one month out of warrenty this weekend. Talked to customer retention yesterday and they are replacing it for free with an HR-20. I am going to be running it off of my 3 LNB dish for now because I get my locals fine OTA. Is there anything I should be looking for or do when I hook it up ??

FWIW, while talking to the level 3 tech this weekend I asked her which series ( the 100 or the 700 ) that she got the most calls on. She said by far the 700 series. May be that there are more of those out there. Maybe not. Hope I get a good one.


Bill

Why don't you want the new dish if it's free?

VOS, excuse my ignorance, but I am trying to picture how this new SWM will work. Will this "replace" my zinwell wb68, or will it be "in addition to"? And how (and what kind) of diplexers work? Does anyone have a schematic of "how" this will be wired up? And which manufacturer is making and testing this device? I need some visualization help. :)

Cheers,
John
It can be "in place" of your WB68. there are two types a 5 channel & 8 channel.
If you need more than it would "hang off" your WB68. Diplexers would be the "same old" ones, as SWM will "free up" the Ka-Lo band so it can be used for OTA.
Testing is going on, but documentions isn't yet. The most is here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=78249

I will eventually when I get the other HR-20. I just want to be hooked up for The Derby on Saturday. Circular Quay by 2 lengths.

Bill

VOS, What does this do? I'm didn't understand what question this was addressing.
This is the way to make changes to how the guide [remote] button works [one press or two] and also "sound & animations". Sound is a thump if the command didn't take, & animations is how the guide moves as you "page up or down".

I asked her which series ( the 100 or the 700 ) that she got the most calls on. She said by far the 700 series. May be that there are more of those out there. Maybe not. Hope I get a good one.
Bill
the -700 has been out since Aug.
The -100 for one month...
Duh

Veryoldschool,

I apologize for not being up on that. As I said in my post 'FWIW'. I am not happy going away from Tivo and all I stated is that I hope I get a good box. Duh.

Veryoldschool,

I apologize for not being up on that. As I said in my post 'FWIW'. I am not happy going away from Tivo and all I stated is that I hope I get a good box. Duh.
No need to apologize. I just look to give info [as there is so much mis-info floating around].
I too wish a "good box in your house".

The "Duh" was to the CSR that told you about the callins and didn't..... Duh....

Slightly off topic....

Any good deals to be had on the HR20? I've been a D* customer since '96 and HD subscriber since it came out. I'd like to upgrade my current HD box to the DVR version??

Slightly off topic....

Any good deals to be had on the HR20? I've been a D* customer since '96 and HD subscriber since it came out. I'd like to upgrade my current HD box to the DVR version??
I don't know what is "good" for you, but calling in, being nice, and having some "discussion" should beat the web or CC/BB... If not try calling at another time.

I don't know what is "good" for you, but calling in, being nice, and having some "discussion" should beat the web or CC/BB... If not try calling at another time.I don't even have a clue about cost...is there an additional fee for the equipment and DVR service?

I don't even have a clue about cost...is there an additional fee for the equipment and DVR service?
DVR service = $6/month
HD DVR= $299-199 for a "lease" [not owned] + 2 year programing commitment.

Update:

First Installation - 5 LNB dish not on the order. Installer said New Dish would burn out OTA channels on HR10-250's I was retaining. Called in for dish.

Service Call for Dish - Didn't come with an order to install a dish. Was for three other things I didn't call about. Got that straightened out on phone (using up phone battery completely). Nice new dish. Installer said first guy put filters in line before new receivers and the 3 LNB dish might have burned them out, but the story about 5 LNB dish burning out old HR10's was BS. They are multiplexed for locals as before, with locals coming in on satellite for HR20s. He found that one of the HR20s had not yet been able to complete its call after 5 days, and he said leave it on or it wouldn't call in (which I doubted) and that there was no way to force a call (which I also doubted after reading this thread). He said my distribution amp didn't have a broad enough frequency band and I needed a new one. D* called, they won't supply it, though I am paying for 5 HD receivers every month. When he left, everything worked, except it was very hard getting used to the glitches of the remote (freezes, delays, over running the start point when skipping commercials, couldn't find how to cancel an episode in the to do list, And the one I really hate, if something is partially recorded, and you select it to watch, it shows black, as if not recorded, and have to wait until it's finished recording to see it ....)

Locals get glitchy - 771 searching for signal - except on different ones at different times. No rhyme or reason. 2 out of 4 would work, 5 minutes later, they quit and the other two work. Now only Fox works. Made the call, got an appointment.

Service call 3: guy didn't show.

I call in a couple of days later because I was out of town in between, and they say it got late, and he called (which was a big fat lie as we were all here) and no one answered so they cancelled the call and left it at that. No attempt to reschedule on their part. Got a new appointment.

Service call 4: scheduled for this afternoon. Will let you know.

Nice fellow showed up. Very patient. One of the new HR20-100s out of Mexico is "busted." Signal levels were fine, just wouldn't pick up locals over satellite consistently. Replacement coming in mail in three days. And since I'm paying for the service contract or whatever it's called, after he figured out that one of my diplexers died he discovered that the menu in one of the old HR10-250 wasn't working and it was hanging up badly while trying to reboot. Replacement with "equivalent" coming in the mail in three days. She said that's all she knew, but I suspect an HR20 will show up to replace the HR10. D* apparently hates Tivo now.

He got on the net for me and found the Zinwell WB68 "DirecTV Approved" Wide Band Frequency (Ku/Ka) 6x8 Multiswitch. I bought two. Nice fellow.

He also showed me that if you have a satellite receiver with an OTA antenna in port that is sitting relatively high and out in the open, a nice sized paperclip is all you need to pick up all your local HD stations. Absolutely Frick'n AMAZING.

Nice fellow showed up. Very patient. One of the new HR20-100s out of Mexico is "busted." Signal levels were fine, just wouldn't pick up locals over satellite consistently. Replacement coming in mail in three days. And since I'm paying for the service contract or whatever it's called, after he figured out that one of my diplexers died he discovered that the menu in one of the old HR10-250 wasn't working and it was hanging up badly while trying to reboot. Replacement with "equivalent" coming in the mail in three days. She said that's all she knew, but I suspect an HR20 will show up to replace the HR10. D* apparently hates Tivo now.

He got on the net for me and found the Zinwell WB68 "DirecTV Approved" Wide Band Frequency (Ku/Ka) 6x8 Multiswitch. I bought two. Nice fellow.

He also showed me that if you have a satellite receiver with an OTA antenna in port that is sitting relatively high and out in the open, a nice sized paperclip is all you need to pick up all your local HD stations. Absolutely Frick'n AMAZING.
Big paper clip & the towers are close [UHF, VHF would be a coat hanger]

They are all between 10 and 15 miles as the crow flies, I'm guessing, and the land is FLAT.

They are all between 10 and 15 miles as the crow flies, I'm guessing, and the land is FLAT.
I'm 62 miles & behind a mountain, so I haven't tried the paper clip. :D

I feel kind of dumb asking this question because I think I read how to do it at one time and now I can't find it... Anyway, the question is how do you move ahead or back one screen (1.5 hours) on the guide, other than by pushing the arrow button three times?

Has anybody run into this one? I set up my HR20-700 to record Mythbusters using the "Both" option to get first run and repeats. Over the course of several weeks this caused the HR20 to record about 30 episodes. I watched several episodes and decided to change the recording option to "First Run" to cut down on future recordings, as it was filling up the HR20. I expected the previously recorded episodes to stay on the HR20, but changing to "First Run" caused the HR20 to immediately delete all repeat episodes, leaving only about 5 first run episodes. I don't really care about getting these episodes back, but wonder if this is what the HR20 is supposed to do in this situation or is it yet another undocumented feature, aka bug? Thanks in advance for your reply.

Has anybody run into this one? I set up my HR20-700 to record Mythbusters using the "Both" option to get first run and repeats. Over the course of several weeks this caused the HR20 to record about 30 episodes. I watched several episodes and decided to change the recording option to "First Run" to cut down on future recordings, as it was filling up the HR20. I expected the previously recorded episodes to stay on the HR20, but changing to "First Run" caused the HR20 to immediately delete all repeat episodes, leaving only about 5 first run episodes. I don't really care about getting these episodes back, but wonder if this is what the HR20 is supposed to do in this situation or is it yet another undocumented feature, aka bug? Thanks in advance for your reply.
I've changed from both to first runs and never seen that. What's "on the drive" is to stay there, unless you changed the "save until" option just below the first run option too. :confused:

I feel kind of dumb asking this question because I think I read how to do it at one time and now I can't find it... Anyway, the question is how do you move ahead or back one screen (1.5 hours) on the guide, other than by pushing the arrow button three times?

Use the red and green buttons while the guide is displayed.

I'm 62 miles & behind a mountain, so I haven't tried the paper clip. :D

Just move the mountain. That's what I did. It's called a 5 lnb dish aimed at a bunch of satellites. ;)

I just wanted to report that I have had the HR-20/100 since April 2. In the first two weeks it froze 3 times, but was O.K. again after reboot. Then it began to work much more reliably. A few days ago I went to check the firmware and it had been updated to 146, I think around April 21-24. So it seems the upgrade does improve stability.

The only problem recently was when it had a brain freeze and thought it was on central time when I am in the eastern time zone. That was troubling because it threw the whole guide off by 1 hour. No amount of hassling with the clock parameters would entice it to change to the correct time. Surprisingly, when I called DTV, I was switched from the first CSR to another who had me hold on while she sent some new programming info to my set. Then after a reboot all was fine. Maybe if I had rebooted in myself first, it would have self corrected, but, hey, let's give credit where it is due. I was handed off to someone who actually knew how to solve a problem. Yippee.

Just move the mountain. That's what I did. It's called a 5 lnb dish aimed at a bunch of satellites. ;)
Now if that "bunch of satellites" would have PBS HD I might not need to use an antenna array. :)

Now if that "bunch of satellites" would have PBS HD I might not need to use an antenna array. :)

Yea, everbody has their own weirdness where they live. I'm surrounded by mountains and can't receive OTA no matter what--except for UNC PBS whose transmitter practically looks down on my house. I took my worthless antenna down, and I still get UNC OTA. Go figure. :)

Quick question. Any chance we could ever see a "Resume" or "Watch from beginning" option when selecting a recorded show to watch? Reason being, every once in a while I will watch half a show or movie, and then I want to go back to the beginning of the show so my wife can watch. Just a little annoying having to rewind through what I had already watched.

Does that make sense?

Holding down the replay button for 3 seconds will move to the beginning. See more tips and tricks at http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=747592

He got on the net for me and found the Zinwell WB68 "DirecTV Approved" Wide Band Frequency (Ku/Ka) 6x8 Multiswitch. I bought two. Nice fellow.
__________

Wait, I thought they were supposed to provide the multiswitches.....I didn't pay for mine (directly, anyway).

A question, though: How much does the multiswitch interfere with the signal? I had an H20 from my 5lnb from July 2006 until Feb 2007 which was basically bulletproof. No dropouts or pixelizations whatsoever, and motion artifact on MPEG4 locals eventually resolved spontaneously. In Feb 2007 HR20 installed with Zinwell as above, and the HR20 now has some problems with audio dropouts and occasional pixelization/signal breakup. Is it the Zinwell or the HR20? Dish is the same. H20 is still hooked up but used more infrequently.

Thanks,
Mark

Now if that "bunch of satellites" would have PBS HD I might not need to use an antenna array. :)


Is that your string of antennaes they shot Jodie Foster working on in Contact?

Is that your string of antennaes they shot Jodie Foster working on in Contact?
Indirect OTA reception can be achieved if you have enough antenna(s) and can get the signal to bend [which it the hard part].

Is there a way on the HR20-700 to tell the signal strength from an OTA antenna? If there is, I assume it would vary from channel to channel.

He got on the net for me and found the Zinwell WB68 "DirecTV Approved" Wide Band Frequency (Ku/Ka) 6x8 Multiswitch. I bought two. Nice fellow.
__________

Wait, I thought they were supposed to provide the multiswitches.....I didn't pay for mine (directly, anyway).

A question, though: How much does the multiswitch interfere with the signal? I had an H20 from my 5lnb from July 2006 until Feb 2007 which was basically bulletproof. No dropouts or pixelizations whatsoever, and motion artifact on MPEG4 locals eventually resolved spontaneously. In Feb 2007 HR20 installed with Zinwell as above, and the HR20 now has some problems with audio dropouts and occasional pixelization/signal breakup. Is it the Zinwell or the HR20? Dish is the same. H20 is still hooked up but used more infrequently.

Thanks,
Mark

I'm no technician, and much, much less knowledgeable than VOS or Greywolf.
A multiswitch is provided by DTV and came with the Dish install. But that is only 4 leads and I need 9 (4 dual tuners and 1 single). Before I had a "distribution amp" which accepted the 4 lines out of the multiswitch and sent them everywhere, and it needed its own power source. The new tech told me to get these WB68's as they would do the job of the distribution amp and they get their power from the DVR boxes somehow. Sounds like magic to me, but I'm giving it a try.

I'm no technician, and much, much less knowledgeable than VOS or Greywolf.
A multiswitch is provided by DTV and came with the Dish install. But that is only 4 leads and I need 9 (4 dual tuners and 1 single). Before I had a "distribution amp" which accepted the 4 lines out of the multiswitch and sent them everywhere, and it needed its own power source. The new tech told me to get these WB68's as they would do the job of the distribution amp and they get their power from the DVR boxes somehow. Sounds like magic to me, but I'm giving it a try.
Well I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night so....
You need 9 outputs? I'm not sure you had an "amp" as some multi-switches are powered, while some aren't.
So what you need for NINE cables will look something like what's shown here: http://www.sonoradesign.com/newpdfs/Sheet_HRPID1422_11.pdf

Now whether you will need the locker & the amps, will depend on your setup, but you can see how to connect two multi-switches.
Another option is to get a Zinwell WB 616 multi-switch [powered] with 16 outputs.

It would be so much easier just to drop a line off the least used DVR.

It would be so much easier just to drop a line off the least used DVR.
or use this:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882145075

Manual for it: http://www.zcwc.com/products/multi_switch/usermanuals/wb_616/WB616manual.pdf

Originally Posted by mgroups
I feel kind of dumb asking this question because I think I read how to do it at one time and now I can't find it... Anyway, the question is how do you move ahead or back one screen (1.5 hours) on the guide, other than by pushing the arrow button three times?
Use the red and green buttons while the guide is displayed.The red and green buttons move the guide 12 hours, not 1.5.

Is there a way on the HR20-700 to tell the signal strength from an OTA antenna? If there is, I assume it would vary from channel to channel.

Yes, get into MENU, then SETUP, Antenna Setup, Edit Off Air Channels, then OTA signal meter?

I am not at home, but it is something like that. Not very intuitive, but it IS there. :cool:

Cheers,
John

or use this:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882145075

Manual for it: http://www.zcwc.com/products/multi_switch/usermanuals/wb_616/WB616manual.pdf

Or, he can wait for the SWM later this year? Where he will not need two cables to each DVR. That would be my advice, drop the single cable for now, and wait for the SWM. :)

You can read more about the SWM here...

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=81489&page=33

Cheers,
John

Or, he can wait for the SWM later this year? Where he will not need two cables to each DVR. That would be my advice, drop the single cable for now, and wait for the SWM. :)

You can read more about the SWM here...

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=81489&page=33

Cheers,
John
There is now & then there is later...if they are all FTM or SWM capable. :)

I've changed from both to first runs and never seen that. What's "on the drive" is to stay there, unless you changed the "save until" option just below the first run option too. :confused:

Further research shows the above is exactly what happened. Thanks for answering - my bad.

Local channels, or: Local Into Local

For things like this: http://www.dbstalk.com/acronyms.htm

Thanks for the tip. It's in favorites now. I had to go back and find it to figure out SWM was a single wire multiswitch.

Now, if I just could figure out where to get those and how to use them, things would be great!

Or, he can wait for the SWM later this year? Where he will not need two cables to each DVR. That would be my advice, drop the single cable for now, and wait for the SWM. :)

You can read more about the SWM here...

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=81489&page=33

Cheers,
John


Thanks for the tip. Still researching. I already have drops everywhere, it was going double on a couple of them that was going to be a pain. Glad that won't be necessary before too much longer.

Yes, get into MENU, then SETUP, Antenna Setup, Edit Off Air Channels, then OTA signal meter?

Thanks, John. I'll give this a try when I get home.

Let me tell you how one of my HR20's is busted. I have 4 locals, 2,11,13 and 26. If two of them are working, the other two won't. 11 and 26 tend to work most of the time. If I reset the HR20 while it is on 2 for example, when it gets finished 2 works and sometimes 13 works but 11 and 26 don't. Today when I switch channels throught he menu from 2 which was working at the time to 26, there was a huge long crackling noise and 26 tuned in, but 2 went away when I tried to go back to it. I reset it while on 2 again and it came back, with 26 being gone again. Can this have anything to do with my extra multiswitch (which has been working fine for years on the HR10s)?

Let me tell you how one of my HR20's is busted. I have 4 locals, 2,11,13 and 26. If two of them are working, the other two won't. 11 and 26 tend to work most of the time. If I reset the HR20 while it is on 2 for example, when it gets finished 2 works and sometimes 13 works but 11 and 26 don't. Today when I switch channels throught he menu from 2 which was working at the time to 26, there was a huge long crackling noise and 26 tuned in, but 2 went away when I tried to go back to it. I reset it while on 2 again and it came back, with 26 being gone again. Can this have anything to do with my extra multiswitch (which has been working fine for years on the HR10s)?
"I think" it's time to find the cable(s) from this unit and connect it straight to the dish [using a barrel connector(s)]. This will remove the multi-switch from the "loop". Then "wring out" your recorder. This way what you're "testing" is the recorder, coax(es) and the dish. From there you can start adding things back into the system. [first the switch without the other receivers connected, then one by one add them].

Tech didn't do that. Just checked the signal level (at 95 to 97%) and ordered new machine. Since the other HR20 works fine, that probably told him something too. If I have the same problem after switching the machine, I'll certainly go your route. Got the new broadband multiswitches in today. I'll install one of them in and see if it helps.

Tech didn't do that. Just checked the signal level (at 95 to 97%) and ordered new machine. Since the other HR20 works fine, that probably told him something too. If I have the same problem after switching the machine, I'll certainly go your route. Got the new broadband multiswitches in today. I'll install one of them in and see if it helps.
To troubleshoot, you need to "break it down", but it is common to "shotgun" the most likely cause.
"Shotgun maintenance", I've done for years, then I have to "go through the drill" if it didn't work. :D

Tonight 11p-2:30a EST HR20-700 Cutting Edge Beta Update night 2.

Tonight is the final night of this 2 night window for version 158. So far this update seems pretty solid and also speeds up channel changes.
Go to the directv cutting edge thread over at www.dbstalk.com

Tech didn't do that. Just checked the signal level (at 95 to 97%) and ordered new machine. Since the other HR20 works fine, that probably told him something too. If I have the same problem after switching the machine, I'll certainly go your route. Got the new broadband multiswitches in today. I'll install one of them in and see if it helps.Do use multiswitches that handle the 250-2150MHz range. The Zinwell WB68 is the typical example. It should not be cascaded. If you use two, install them in parallel using four splitters of the same broadband range plus a margin of error. I'd want to see at least 40-2300MHz on them. See the link at http://www.sonorastore.com/510.html for a wiring diagram and consider the Sonora power inserter to make sure the dish is properly powered.

One of my 10-250's died one month out of warrenty this weekend. Talked to customer retention yesterday and they are replacing it for free with an HR-20. I am going to be running it off of my 3 LNB dish for now because I get my locals fine OTA. Is there anything I should be looking for or do when I hook it up ??

FWIW, while talking to the level 3 tech this weekend I asked her which series ( the 100 or the 700 ) that she got the most calls on. She said by far the 700 series. May be that there are more of those out there. Maybe not. Hope I get a good one.


Bill

Well, the DVR fairy showed up at my door between 10:00 pm Friday night and 7:00 am Saturday morning with my replacement. Much to my surprise, he brought me a 10-250 !! I am sure it is a refurbished box but it works fine. To tell you the truth, I was not looking forward to the HR-20 but I guess I will have to, in the future, burn that bridge when I come to it. I hope that is a long time from now.


Bill

The Zinwell WB68 is the typical example. It should not be cascaded. While you certainly can use power-passing splitters to gain outlets, the WB68 can also be cascaded. Just be sure the first multiswitch has all 8 outlets used (4 to the second WB68 and the other 4 to receivers) so that the dish will see power all of the time from receivers. I have two WB68s cascaded because I only needed 9 outlets, and I have not had a problem at all.

While you certainly can use power-passing splitters to gain outlets, the WB68 can also be cascaded. Just be sure the first multiswitch has all 8 outlets used (4 to the second WB68 and the other 4 to receivers) so that the dish will see power all of the time from receivers. I have two WB68s cascaded because I only needed 9 outlets, and I have not had a problem at all.
Using splitters is still the preferred way as [I'm glad yours are working] what you're doing is counting on the "other" receivers [those on the first switch] to power the dish, & if they aren't tuned to the right channel, won't [for the cascaded receivers]. As you start to get into a complex system as this there will be certain combinations that will show the flaw, while "most" won't.

I think I read that channels 2 & 3 are the only channels the HR20-700 is unable to tune.
It's incredible that a product with a defect like this could have been released. If this could be remedied by a firmware update, it would probably have been done by now.

I just purchased and activated two HR20-700 units and neither will pick up local channels 3-1 or 3-2 which is our NBC station's digital signals. It shows up in the guide but whenever I try to go to one of them I just get a "searching" message. Now I called tech support and the person I talked to seemed to know nothing about this problem. She even checked with another person and they wanted to send someone out for a service call. I told them that since 3-1 comes in fine on my two HR10-250 units, it can't be anything in the house other than the HR20-700. Has anyone had any recent conversations with D* about this issue?

I just purchased and activated two HR20-700 units and neither will pick up local channels 3-1 or 3-2 which is our NBC station's digital signals. It shows up in the guide but whenever I try to go to one of them I just get a "searching" message. Now I called tech support and the person I talked to seemed to know nothing about this problem. She even checked with another person and they wanted to send someone out for a service call. I told them that since 3-1 comes in fine on my two HR10-250 units, it can't be anything in the house other than the HR20-700. Has anyone had any recent conversations with D* about this issue?
The real question [for me] is what is the transmit frequency? If it is VHF 3 [& not the remapped digital signal], then it is known as a problem with the HR-20 and has been fixed with software. I'm not sure if it was in the 0x145 version but know that it is with the betas since and so you should see it in the next national release. FWIW

The real question [for me] is what is the transmit frequency? If it is VHF 3 [& not the remapped digital signal], then it is known as a problem with the HR-20 and has been fixed with software. I'm not sure if it was in the 0x145 version but know that it is with the betas since and so you should see it in the next national release. FWIW


The true channels are 2-1 and 2-2 which map to 3-1 and 3-2. I've tried it both ways and still nothing. There was a software download today (I think the one you reference) and that didn't fix things. So you're saying it should be fixed in an upcoming download?

The real question [for me] is what is the transmit frequency? If it is VHF 3 [& not the remapped digital signal], then it is known as a problem with the HR-20 and has been fixed with software. I'm not sure if it was in the 0x145 version but know that it is with the betas since and so you should see it in the next national release. FWIWGood to hear, VOS.

One of the main reasons I follow this tread is to learn about a fix to that problem but had heard nothing before your post. I wouldn't consider trading my HR10 for an HR20 until I can get OTA reception of our Chicago CBS station, which transmits HD on channel 3. :eek: I had hoped that the HR20-100 might be free of this bug, but haven't heard any reports on that one way or another.

The true channels are 2-1 and 2-2 which map to 3-1 and 3-2. I've tried it both ways and still nothing. There was a software download today (I think the one you reference) and that didn't fix things. So you're saying it should be fixed in an upcoming download?Carrier channels 2 and 3 have just been enabled on cutting edge software releases. The next nationwide software release should enable those channels. Check http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=118 for news of more releases.

Carrier channels 2 and 3 have just been enabled on cutting edge software releases. The next nationwide software release should enable those channels. Check http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=118 for news of more releases.

Thanks for the info. I suppose this the answer to this is obvious but it seems so strange that their own tech support people (as pleasant as they are to chat with on the phone) don't have any knowledge of the channel 2/3 problem. The person I talked to today was looking through all of her computer screens looking for any kind of acknowledgment that this problem exists and couldn't find anything. I'll just hope that the download comes very soon.

Thanks for the info. I suppose this the answer to this is obvious but it seems so strange that their own tech support people (as pleasant as they are to chat with on the phone) don't have any knowledge of the channel 2/3 problem. The person I talked to today was looking through all of her computer screens looking for any kind of acknowledgment that this problem exists and couldn't find anything. I'll just hope that the download comes very soon.
FWIW: the current Beta [CE] version is looking very good so far [all two days] so "hopefully" soon will be "soon".
This is for the -700, anybody with the -100 will be waiting a bit longer. :)

While you certainly can use power-passing splitters to gain outlets, the WB68 can also be cascaded. Just be sure the first multiswitch has all 8 outlets used (4 to the second WB68 and the other 4 to receivers) so that the dish will see power all of the time from receivers. I have two WB68s cascaded because I only needed 9 outlets, and I have not had a problem at all.


Cascading is how the D* tech told me to install them. Just FYI. That's why I got a little stumped when you guys started showing me those parallel diagrams with extra splitters and electonics.

Cascading is how the D* tech told me to install them. Just FYI. That's why I got a little stumped when you guys started showing me those parallel diagrams with extra splitters and electonics.
Sometimes cascading doesn't work, most likely with long cable runs.

The true channels are 2-1 and 2-2 which map to 3-1 and 3-2. I've tried it both ways and still nothing. There was a software download today (I think the one you reference) and that didn't fix things. So you're saying it should be fixed in an upcoming download?

There was a software download today (Sunday)? When I booted up my unit last night I had lost the HDMI signal and ultimately "re-set" my box.

What did they do??

And how can I lose the screensaver?
TIA

There was a software download today (Sunday)? When I booted up my unit last night I had lost the HDMI signal and ultimately "re-set" my box.

What did they do??

And how can I lose the screensaver?
TIA
I doubt there was a software d/l. if you have the -700 the version is 0x145 & with the -100 it's 0x146. Do you have something newer?

For those keeping track of HR20 bugs, last night my HR20-100 stopped responding to the remote. A power reset (the red button next to the card) fixed it. Has anyone else encountered this problem?

For those keeping track of HR20 bugs, last night my HR20-100 stopped responding to the remote. A power reset (the red button next to the card) fixed it. Has anyone else encountered this problem?It's a common situation.

For those keeping track of HR20 bugs, last night my HR20-100 stopped responding to the remote. A power reset (the red button next to the card) fixed it. Has anyone else encountered this problem?

It's happened about 3 or 4 times to me. I've become accustomed to just doing unplugging the unit about once a week. Next time, I'll look for the red button.

It's happened about 3 or 4 times to me. I've become accustomed to just doing unplugging the unit about once a week. Next time, I'll look for the red button.

VOS,

Does unplugging the unit, as opposed to resetting the red button, perform exactly the same process of reset?

VOS,

Does unplugging the unit, as opposed to resetting the red button, perform exactly the same process of reset?

Yes

I doubt there was a software d/l. if you have the -700 the version is 0x145 & with the -100 it's 0x146. Do you have something newer?

False alarm BUT the HDMI interface did fail which required a re-set.
I guess that counts as a bug.

VOS,

Does unplugging the unit, as opposed to resetting the red button, perform exactly the same process of reset?
There is a slight difference.
The RBR is like the menu "reset recorder", while the "un-plug" for 5-10 min will have the chips bleed off voltage not done otherwise [along with the drive spinning down].

Have both a Tivo HR10-250 and a new HR20-700 and overall am satisfied with the new HR20-700. One problem is how to delete items on the Schedule/Prioritizer list. It is easy on the Tivo Season pass list but not so easy on the new Prioritizer list. The ones that I want to remove don't have any upcoming episodes but it seems as though those can't be deleted. Any suggestions? Thanks

Have both a Tivo HR10-250 and a new HR20-700 and overall am satisfied with the new HR20-700. One problem is how to delete items on the Schedule/Prioritizer list. It is easy on the Tivo Season pass list but not so easy on the new Prioritizer list. The ones that I want to remove don't have any upcoming episodes but it seems as though those can't be deleted. Any suggestions? Thanks
Highlite it, then press - - [dash twice].
Also works for recordings in your play list too.

Thanks that did it.

Can I or can I not record 2 satellite programs and watch or record 1 ota program all at the same time. I have a HR20-700? When I try to do this I get a message that says there is a conflict.

Can I or can I not record 2 satellite programs and watch or record 1 ota program all at the same time. I have a HR20-700? When I try to do this I get a message that says there is a conflict.
You can record two & watch a recording. Your "two" can be any combination of SAT or OTA, but only two at a time.

FWIW: the current Beta [CE] version is looking very good so far [all two days] so "hopefully" soon will be "soon".
This is for the -700, anybody with the -100 will be waiting a bit longer. :)


Any update on this (the channel 2-1, 3-1 problem)?

Okay, What's the procedure for aquiring a black unit? I tried asking the CSR and they said they have no idea on what gets shipped out! I read that some of you have them already. What's the method for geting one?

Okay, What's the procedure for aquiring a black unit? I tried asking the CSR and they said they have no idea on what gets shipped out! I read that some of you have them already. What's the method for geting one?
"luck of the draw" or going to a retailer that has one & walking out with it.

Any update on this (the channel 2-1, 3-1 problem)?
None...
Hey, maybe they'll get it for the six month anniversary of activating OTA. [oops they missed that too, well almost as the national release was Jan].

None...
Hey, maybe they'll get it for the six month anniversary of activating OTA. [oops they missed that too, well almost as the national release was Jan].


Why is this so difficult? I've purchased many ATSC tuner-equipped products over the last number of years and the only other one I can remember that had a problem with the lower channels was the very early Panasonic stand alone HD tuner, but that was what, almost 10 years ago? I just find this baffling.

Any update on this (the channel 2-1, 3-1 problem)?
A new CE which is suppose to address this, is available tonight & tomorrow.
See Updated & as always agree to cutting edge downloads...
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=936343&postcount=1

Well, the replacements came today. Got a 700 ("refurbished" which is scary) to replace the 100. Is that the older one or the newer one?

Took about 4 techs and 2 hours of BS to figure out that the reason the local HD channels weren't coming in was that the receiver came with old/old software. I suggested that to them, but that was the last thing they checked, tellimg me the boxes always come with the latest software on them (sure). We did a forced update and now it works.

It may be my imagination, but he picture on the 700 seems noticably better than on the old 100, particularly on Conan and HDNM and HBOH.

I remembered to activate the Dolby Digital and set it to Native.

They also sent me an HR10-250 to replace that busted one too. That was a surprise.

Well, the replacements came today. Got a 700 ("refurbished" which is scary) to replace the 100. Is that the older one or the newer one?

Took about 4 techs and 2 hours of BS to figure out that the reason the local HD channels weren't coming in was that the receiver came with old/old software. I suggested that to them, but that was the last thing they checked, tellimg me the boxes always come with the latest software on them (sure). We did a forced update and now it works.

It may be my imagination, but he picture on the 700 seems noticably better than on the old 100, particularly on Conan and HDNM and HBOH.

I remembered to activate the Dolby Digital and set it to Native.

They also sent me an HR10-250 to replace that busted one too. That was a surprise.
Why four techs didn't follow "standard" installation [meaning a forced download] can make one really question their training [lack of it or disrespect for it].
New, used, old, or refurb, these days doesn't mean as much as working or not. IMO
I truly have no connection to D* other than paying them like anyone else.
If you were to look up in the dictionary the meaning of "to need help", you would see the D* logo & the installers they use.
There was a old commercial that asked "Is this anyway to run an airlines?"

A new CE which is suppose to address this, is available tonight [2nd night now].
See Updated & as always agree to cutting edge downloads...
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=936343&postcount=1
This is only for -700 HR-20s.

"luck of the draw" or going to a retailer that has one & walking out with it.

Has any one found a retail/mail order source for the HR20-100 from an authorized dealer?

Thanks for the answer VOS. Appreciate it.

Has any one found a retail/mail order source for the HR20-100 from an authorized dealer?
There are many [maybe not on Ebay]: best buy, circuit city, Costco, and a whole bunch on-line.

is anyone else experiencing clicks and pops on the hd stations of directv? i am not sure if its my hr20 or something else

is anyone else experiencing clicks and pops on the hd stations of directv? i am not sure if its my hr20 or something else

I have been.. When there is a commercial break is when I notice it

Has any one found a retail/mail order source for the HR20-100 from an authorized dealer?
There are many [maybe not on Ebay]: best buy, circuit city, Costco, and a whole bunch on-line.

Best Buy & Circuit City both sell the HR20-700. COSTCO is a Dish dealer...

So if I wanted to get a D* DVR [HD + MPEG-4], which one do I want...and why?

Best Buy & Circuit City both sell the HR20-700. COSTCO is a Dish dealer...
Costco used to have HR-20-700 [made in China] for $265.
What model [and where made] just depends on when they get their stock.
I don't know if the D* installers get "preferred" status or what. Sometimes their the only one with HR-20s.

So if I wanted to get a D* DVR [HD + MPEG-4], which one do I want...and why?
One that works. [sorry but it is more important than new or refurb to me].
I doubt you'll find any blank ones as they went fast.
The -100 has been out about a month.
The -700 since August.
The national release software is basically the same.
Neither seems to have a feature not on the other one.
The -700 has some software testing going on that the -100 doesn't [yet].
Echo: One that works is better than one that doesn't. :)

One that works. [sorry but it is more important than new or refurb to me].
I doubt you'll find any blank ones as they went fast.
The -100 has been out about a month.
The -700 since August.
The national release software is basically the same.
Neither seems to have a feature not on the other one.
The -700 has some software testing going on that the -100 doesn't [yet].
Echo: One that works is better than one that doesn't. :)
The posts here seem to suggest that the 100 runs cooler than the 700...any thruth? I keep my D* reveiver in an enclosed cabinet and it gets somewhat hot in there now. Is the DVR version going to be significantly hotter and should I be concerned of the -100 vs the -700?

The posts here seem to suggest that the 100 runs cooler than the 700...any thruth? I keep my D* reveiver in an enclosed cabinet and it gets somewhat hot in there now. Is the DVR version going to be significantly hotter and should I be concerned of the -100 vs the -700?The temperature reported by the DVRs themselves (on the info screen) are showing the -100 is 15-20 degrees cooler than the -700 in equivalent circumstances. That may be an actual operating temperature difference or it may be that they have the temperature sensors in different places. In other words, maybe. I have two HR20-100s and they are consistently showing 96-108 degrees fahrenheit on an open shelf.

The temperature reported by the DVRs themselves (on the info screen) are showing the -100 is 15-20 degrees cooler than the -700 in equivalent circumstances. That may be an actual operating temperature difference or it may be that they have the temperature sensors in different places. In other words, maybe. I have two HR20-100s and they are consistently showing 96-108 degrees fahrenheit on an open shelf.WOW, that's quite hot. I may want to connect a fan to ventilate the cabinet and be sure to ask D* for a -100

WOW, that's quite hot. I may want to connect a fan to ventilate the cabinet and be sure to ask D* for a -100
98-108 is "WOW that's quite hot"? :confused:
What's your room temp?
How warm is your computer inside?
My -700s report back 124 F not C.
My "big" computer runs 68 C when doing some work [under control by Intel].

WOW, that's quite hot. I may want to connect a fan to ventilate the cabinet and be sure to ask D* for a -100As VOS noted, temperatures in the range of 100 degrees fahrenheit are not hot when it comes to electronic equipment. My CPU temperature on this computer right now is 44 degrees C - 111 degrees F - the alarm is set at 65 degrees C - 149 degrees F

As VOS noted, temperatures in the range of 100 degrees fahrenheit are not hot when it comes to electronic equipment. My CPU temperature on this computer right now is 44 degrees C - 111 degrees F - the alarm is set at 65 degrees C - 149 degrees FMy concern is that the same cabinet houses an Xbox 360, DVD player and a Monster Power center 3600. It's gonna get really warm in there and the XBox will overheat. But, theres very little ventilation (other then the n the 3" knockouts for the cabling pass-thru). Now...do I blow air in or suck it out to ventilate??????

My concern is that the same cabinet houses an Xbox 360, DVD player and a Monster Power center 3600. It's gonna get really warm in there and the XBox will overheat. But, theres very little ventilation (other then the n the 3" knockouts for the cabling pass-thru). Now...do I blow air in or suck it out to ventilate??????
Air flow or exchange is what you want. So it doesn't matter if it's coming or going as long as there is another way for the air to enter or leave.

My concern is that the same cabinet houses an Xbox 360, DVD player and a Monster Power center 3600. It's gonna get really warm in there and the XBox will overheat. But, theres very little ventilation (other then the n the 3" knockouts for the cabling pass-thru). Now...do I blow air in or suck it out to ventilate??????
My preference would be to suck air out the back to reduce noise in your room. Just my 2¢ worth.

My preference would be to suck air out the back to reduce noise in your room. Just my 2¢ worth.
Question: how would this change the noise level?
Masking the fan by mounting it on the back I understand, but whether it blows or sucks, I don't. :confused:

Someone was using a cabinet that had slotted shelves and was having much lower temps. What seemed to be happening was a chimney affect, where air was being pulled in from the bottom & as it was heated by the equipment, would rise and exit at the top of the cabinet. No fans needed. Natural air exchange.

Best Buy & Circuit City both sell the HR20-700. COSTCO is a Dish dealer...

Costco sell HR20 & H20.

mark

Anyone getting NESN 623HD having audio issues?

Anyone getting NESN 623HD having audio issues?


Sounds better now. Nevermind! :)

Costco sell HR20 & H20.

mark

Guess it varies by area... They don't in the S.F. Bay area... :(

We have had our HR20-700 about 6 weeks and have started having problems with the OTA tuner. Other receiver is a HR10-250. Both are connected to an outside Channel Master CM4228 antenna using an outside signal splitter. The signals are all strong on the Tivo HR10-250 but on the new HR20-700 there is one channel (Wish-TV Channel 8 which is not available in HD via Mpeg 4 since they have not signed on with D*) that is in the 65 to 70 signal range (85 to 90 on the Tivo HD DVR). Switched the cables outside which made no difference. The other local OTA HD signals (network channels 6, 13 and 59) on the new HR20-700 are all in the range (85-95) of the Tivo received signal. Very annoying on the HR20-700 since there are occasional horizontal lines (Pixelation) on this HD OTA channel only. Called D* and they are sending out a new receiver (D* first wanted to send out a refurb receiver but I said the original install of the HR20-700 was this past March 29 and they said would send a new box if the old receiver was less than 90 days old so hopefully will get a NEW receiver). Has anybody else had trouble with just ONE OTA channel on their new D* HD DVR? Just curious. Thanks

We have had our HR20-700 about 6 weeks and have started having problems with the OTA tuner. Other receiver is a HR10-250. Both are connected to an outside Channel Master CM4228 antenna using an outside signal splitter. The signals are all strong on the Tivo HR10-250 but on the new HR20-700 there is one channel (Wish-TV Channel 8 which is not available in HD via Mpeg 4 since they have not signed on with D*) that is in the 65 to 70 signal range (85 to 90 on the Tivo HD DVR). Switched the cables outside which made no difference. The other local OTA HD signals (network channels 6, 13 and 59) on the new HR20-700 are all in the range (85-95) of the Tivo received signal. Very annoying on the HR20-700 since there are occasional horizontal lines (Pixelation) on this HD OTA channel only. Called D* and they are sending out a new receiver (D* first wanted to send out a refurb receiver but I said the original install of the HR20-700 was this past March 29 and they said would send a new box if the old receiver was less than 90 days old so hopefully will get a NEW receiver). Has anybody else had trouble with just ONE OTA channel on their new D* HD DVR? Just curious. Thanks

I have gotten the 771 searching for signal issue a number of times. Yet, reception of the station in question comes in fine with OTA. Others may have different experiences, but I tend to believe the OTA antennas in the HR20 are a little quirky.

The other possibility is a problem in the database that contains station information for your area. As you probably know, with the HR20, you don't techinically "scan for OTA stations".

I have gotten the 771 searching for signal issue a number of times. Yet, reception of the station in question comes in fine with OTA. Others may have different experiences, but I tend to believe the OTA antennas in the HR20 are a little quirky.

The other possibility is a problem in the database that contains station information for your area. As you probably know, with the HR20, you don't techinically "scan for OTA stations".
Or it could just be that the HR-20 has a crappy OTA tuner [by design].
BTW: the HR-20 doesn't have a [any] OTA antenna(s) & counts on a very good & well adjusted external antenna.

I have the HR20-100 and I'm using the Silver Sensor and it works flawlessly just like it did with my Samsung HD DTV Receiver. Guide loads the *-1 *-2 *-3 etc locals from the Silver Sensor and I'm very pleased.

Funny that the installer said the OTA wouldn't work with the unit; re-wired everything once he left and I'm back in business.... w00t.

Only down side is that with my 3 year old 56" Sammy DLP HD only has DVI so I had to use the HMDI to DVI adapter for the video but very pleased with quality of the HD up to 1080i.

Installer coming back tomorrow to swap my 3-LNB dish with the new 5-LNB version.

My preference would be to suck air out the back to reduce noise in your room. Just my 2¢ worth.

Question: how would this change the noise level?
Masking the fan by mounting it on the back I understand, but whether it blows or sucks, I don't. :confused:
I find the turbulent air coming out of a fan to be noisier, so sucking air through the cabinet and blowing it out the back should be quieter.

I find the turbulent air coming out of a fan to be noisier, so sucking air through the cabinet and blowing it out the back should be quieter.
Interesting,
I don't hear the air [unless it's a BIG fan] but the fan itself & the whine or rumble of the motor/blades.

Interesting,
I don't hear the air [unless it's a BIG fan] but the fan itself & the whine or rumble of the motor/blades.

Does it have to be any kind of specialized fan, like a dc fan to minimize interference?
Radio Shack makes a 4" ac fan that could plug into the switched outlet of my avr. Would that work?

Does it have to be any kind of specialized fan, like a dc fan to minimize interference?
Radio Shack makes a 4" ac fan that could plug into the switched outlet of my avr. Would that work?
I like large slow spinning fans, ac/dc shouldn't matter, cubic feet per minute does.
If you were to get any interference [as you shouldn't], I'd take the defective fan back.

Hey guys,

I just picked up a used HR20-700S at a thrift store for $24.95. I did not know anything about the unit except that it would most likely need a card. It has a card (but no remote) so I grabbed it.

After getting it home, I am trying to scan for local channels but it just sits there scanning and does not find any. I use the same antenna for my DB-2010 so I know the signal is good.

So did I blow it in buying this unit or is there a way to get it working w/o a subscription?

You do have to be subscribed to Directv to use OTA tuner, will not work otherwise.

So in other words, I just wasted $24.95?

Those b*stards!

Since Directv not considers all thier receivers as lease units, it maybe hard to even sell on ebay. The older HD Directv receivers will do OTA without a sub. I have a Samsung SIR-T150 HD tuner and remote in like new condition that I'm going to put on ebay soon. I would consider trading for your unit if you like. How well an HD tuner works is based upon how close your stations are.

I knew that people were using some of Direct TV's regular receivers as OTA units (as long as they were activated and had a card) so I assumed the HD-DVR's would be the same. Apparently not.

I'm currently using a Samsung SIR-T451 and one of the Walmart Hisense units for OTA, but could use a third HD receiver.

Will consider your offer, it is much appreciated!

I had the HR20-700 but it had a problem so they sent me a HR20-100. The picture for some reason doesn't look quite as good. Could this be possible?

I just picked up a used HR20-700S at a thrift store for $24.95.It's also almost certainly a leased receiver. It cannot be sold as DirecTV owns it. Whoever sold it is still getting billed monthly charges for it and has to return it when his/her contract is up or pay a big penalty.

new software tonight: 015C

It's also almost certainly a leased receiver. It cannot be sold as DirecTV owns it. Whoever sold it is still getting billed monthly charges for it and has to return it when his/her contract is up or pay a big penalty.

Well, I know the thrift store does not give refunds, and would not understand if I tried to explain the situation to them. I can't use it for OTA reception (apparently).

Anyone have any constructive suggestions as to what can be done with it, short of dropping it in a dumpster in the middle of the night?

Well, I know the thrift store does not give refunds, and would not understand if I tried to explain the situation to them. I can't use it for OTA reception (apparently).

Anyone have any constructive suggestions as to what can be done with it, short of dropping it in a dumpster in the middle of the night?
1) join D*
2) call D* & have them send you a box & shipping label to return it [you won't get your money back]
3) trade with DCbag for the OTA tuner.

The temperature reported by the DVRs themselves (on the info screen) are showing the -100 is 15-20 degrees cooler than the -700 in equivalent circumstances. That may be an actual operating temperature difference or it may be that they have the temperature sensors in different places. In other words, maybe. I have two HR20-100s and they are consistently showing 96-108 degrees fahrenheit on an open shelf.


They replaced my clunky 100 with a refurbished 700 and I immediately felt the temperture difference, even during the install when I had D on the phone. She acted like I was imagining it.

BTW, it sticks up on lots of channel changes, and like a 70's smog car it hangs up with that grinding noise when I turn it off.

When you use the forward 15 second or so button to catch up to real time, it freezes frequently until you back up a ways. There are several uses of ff, rwd, and the jump buttons that make it freeze. Wife is screaming to send them back, and can't understand that there just isn't any alternative. We're just stuck.

Well, I know the thrift store does not give refunds.It wasn't theirs to sell so the sale was illegal even if they didn't know it. Call 1-800-DirecTV and maybe they have a suggestion. They will be able to find the lessee but I doubt they'd tell you who it was. There may be legal avenues for you to pursue but I doubt any would be worth the hassle.

OK. So what was included in the update?
You guys are sleeping on the job! :)

OK. So what was included in the update?
You guys are sleeping on the job! :)
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HR20-700: 0x15C

Version
• HR20-700: 0x15c - 05/16/2007
Improved
• On-Line and Phone PPV purchases will properly record (and playback).
• Series link recording to adjust for a change to end time
• Keyword Search Speed
• Overall system response
• Super Pillar Occurrence
• Setup / Info Screen Speed Up
• Stability / Reliability
Updated
• Improvement to 4x FF
• OTA Low-VHF reception
• Additional Closed Caption polishing
• UI Consistence and polishing
• VIIV Unable to Access Media On-Screen Display
• VIIV server logoff messages during shuffle
• IAMANEDGECUTTER Option Changes: My Playlist Sort, now have options to remember last, or set new DEFAULT
New feature(s)
• Ability to receive Showcase
• PPV purchase by dates and expiration dates now displayed in playlist
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I am considering a second HR20 and called Directv for their best price. They said $199 even though I said I would install it myself. Is this the qoing rate?

OK. So what was included in the update?
You guys are sleeping on the job! :)
ZzZz.....ZzZz...ZzZz ;)

You guys are sleeping on the job! :)I didn't know I was on the job. Send me my paycheck and I'll wake up.

I didn't know I was on the job. Send me my paycheck and I'll wake up.
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Sounds like something a Government worker would say!! :eek:

I am considering a second HR20 and called Directv for their best price. They said $199 even though I said I would install it myself. Is this the qoing rate?

for a second one, that sounds like a good deal.

for a second one, that sounds like a good deal.

D* would not even sell me a second one about a month ago. Have they changed their policy? I had to order mine from an online source.

D* would not even sell me a second one about a month ago. Have they changed their policy? I had to order mine from an online source.
One HD DVR every six months from D*. More & you need to go to CC, BB, or Costco, Although I got my first in Nov & my second in Feb, both from D*. humm :confused:

How does the HR20 OTA tuner compare to the H20-600? My H20 OTA has been marginal at times even with a external UHF yagi. I've been hesitant about ordering a HDDVR.

Roy

One HD DVR every six months from D*. More & you need to go to CC, BB, or Costco, Although I got my first in Nov & my second in Feb, both from D*. humm :confused:I got my first and second one on the same date. I just had a CSR who knew how to do it. It has to be done with two separate orders.
:cool:

How does the HR20 OTA tuner compare to the H20-600?
Roy
It won't hold a candle to it. If you need the OTA of the -600, you won't find it in the HR-20-xxx.

It won't hold a candle to it. If you need the OTA of the -600, you won't find it in the HR-20-xxx.How does the HR-20 OTA compare to the HR10-250 Directivo OTA performance . According to the directv web site local HD channels are available (via satellite) in my area (orlando) however there are only 4 channels available and I would need to use OTA to get the others. Thanks.

Jay

I am considering a second HR20 and called Directv for their best price. They said $199 even though I said I would install it myself. Is this the qoing rate?

One can buy theses off ebay for about the same. Are they worth it?

How does the HR-20 OTA compare to the HR10-250 Directivo OTA performance . According to the directv web site local HD channels are available (via satellite) in my area (orlando) however there are only 4 channels available and I would need to use OTA to get the others. Thanks.

Jay
I haven't tested them to the HR10-250, so I can only say what others that have both say: Some say it's better & I'd say it's no worse. I think they are all using the 3rd gen ATSC chip.
The HR-20 hates multi-path, so a good antenna that you can point correctly helps.

One can buy theses off ebay for about the same. Are they worth it?
They seem to be the same "box", but as it is ebay, you take your chances with the seller. Once it's on your account, D* doesn't care where you got it.

One can buy theses off ebay for about the same. Are they worth it?HR20s came out after the lease system was initiated. Almost all sales of HR20s are of leased boxes by people who may or may not know they don't own them. Before buying any direcTV receiver from somebody else, get the serial number and contact D* to be sure the seller actually owns the box and it is free of charges. Otherwise D* will not activate it. Even good deals will normally require a $20 fee to D* for a new access card. They don't like to and even say they can't change a card from one owner to another.

How does the HR20 OTA tuner compare to the H20-600? My H20 OTA has been marginal at times even with a external UHF yagi. I've been hesitant about ordering a HDDVR.

Roy

The H20-600 has one of the best OTA tuners around. If you are having problems with reception on an H20-600, you will have more problems with an HR20. Sounds like you need to look at your antenna and maybe upgrade. What's your zip and which antenna/preamp do you have....and which stations are you having problems with??

So, since the latest upgrade things have regressed a bit. My HR 20 has started to cancel recordings again. We were going to record a basketball games for friends who are in from out of town and it cancelled that and I am positive I had set the Thursday Anaheim Detroit hockey game to record........... :(

The upgrade enables OTA tuning of WBBM Ch 2-1 in Chicagoland. I can't discern any difference from the MPEG4 feed, but still it's nice to have.

The upgrade enables OTA tuning of WBBM Ch 2-1 in Chicagoland. I can't discern any difference from the MPEG4 feed, but still it's nice to have.
Thanks for the update. I've been waiting to hear that. (Too bad D* uses a second rate tuner in the R20, though.)

New beta update for the HR20-700 tonight, visit www.dbstalk.com
for more on this update.
To get reset reciever and hit 02468 on the remote at the welcome screen.

On a side note a back door code is now out to allow you to activate Game Lounge.

Go to ACTIVE then WEATHER, go to add my cities and add CRAIG ALASKA in every city slot.
This adds GL.

Each game has free versions you can play.

New beta update for the HR20-700 tonight, visit www.dbstalk.com
for more on this update.
To be more specific go here to learn what you're getting into first: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=79021

The H20-600 has one of the best OTA tuners around. If you are having problems with reception on an H20-600, you will have more problems with an HR20. Sounds like you need to look at your antenna and maybe upgrade. What's your zip and which antenna/preamp do you have....and which stations are you having problems with??

Zip is 92865. I did have problems with ch 4-1 which is actually UHF but they seemed to have raised their ERP a couple of months ago and the intermittent problems disappeared. I forget the model number of the UHF yagi antenna and preamp but they were both top of the line and only a couple of years old and am using double shielded cable with press on (not crimp) low loss connectors. Assuming they are OK the signal to noise ratio may not be much different no matter which tuner is used. I like HD from Mt. Wilson better than DTV and the H20-600 works good (removed top to cool as USB port is always powered and fan was always on) but would like to record.

Roy

I didn't know I was on the job. Send me my paycheck and I'll wake up.

I wasn't going to respond to this, but you do know the smilie :) meant my comment was in good humor?

forgive me if these questions have already been answered

I have 2 HR10-250's and just got a Tivo S3 which is so much faster I don't like the HR10's anymore: wondering if the HR20's with the latest software are better (I don't use any of the boxes for OTA):

-is the HR20 faster at channel changes than the HR10?
-can I use the existing 3LNB dish? (NYC area)
-is the HR20 still a Tivo interface?

Thanks in advance

forgive me if these questions have already been answered

I have 2 HR10-250's and just got a Tivo S3 which is so much faster I don't like the HR10's anymore: wondering if the HR20's with the latest software are better (I don't use any of the boxes for OTA):

-is the HR20 faster at channel changes than the HR10?
-can I use the existing 3LNB dish? (NYC area)
-is the HR20 still a Tivo interface?

Thanks in advance
-is the HR20 faster at channel changes than the HR10? No

-can I use the existing 3LNB dish? (NYC area) Yes, but you won't receive the new HD programming coming this year (It's all going to be MPEG4 and from the new satellites which require the 5 LNB dish)

-is the HR20 still a Tivo interface? No

Having answered your questions, I will add that I still have an HR10-250 and also acquired two HR20s so I could get the new HD programming that is coming. I was very hesitant to do it initially because I had heard all the problems with the HR20. I have been pleasantly surprised with the HR20. There is a learning curve for those who are used to the Tivo interface, but overall, the HR20 has been a quality experience for me. There is still room for improvement, and I really miss the dual live buffers, but there are aspects to the HR20 that I view as better-implemented than on the Tivo. (One-button recording, to name one)
A great forum for HR20 information is http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=112

You said beore that you already have 2 HR20-100s so I wonder why you are asking these questions?

Thanks Smuuth

I think the new HD channels will mostly be local network and in the NYC area we get them with the 3 LNB dish, so until some really new HD content becomes available, I will just hang onto the HR10's

You're welcome.

Just to add a little more information, DirecTV will replace your 3 LNB with a 5 LNB for free if you upgrade to an HR20, so there is really no reason to keep the 3 LNB. In addition, by the end of this year, with the launch of 2 more DirecTV satellites, there should be significant numbers of channels with new HD programming which will only be in MPEG4.

Of course, the HR10s will still work with the 5 LNB as well. I certainly kept mine. :p

You said beore that you already have 2 HR20-100s so I wonder why you are asking these questions?If you were directing this post to me, I was answering questions, not asking them. :D

Just recently I got the HR20-100. I never had any DVR before so I was coming into DVR's as a newbie. I can say without having been used to TIVO the H20 seems be easy to use. Not sure what I'm missing but I really like the H20. Channel surfing is not that bad (a little longer then the H10) but I use the Guide to surf so no problems there. Also, having the H20 for about a month I have had no issues at all with it. Very good machine.

Sorry Smuuth. I hadn't had my coffee yet. From now on I will wait before I start posting.

FYI, the latest update may have "bricked" some device functions. The trickplay on my local channels will not work, you press the 30sec slip it returns to the beginning. Same for fast forward. All other channels are fine. The locals I get are not Mpeg4, just regular SD. Any fixes?
It seems odd to be just my locals, maybe an attempt to force us into commercials?

The DBSTalk boards, have a few users losing their entire library.

I got sick of black screen recordings, and removed the gray bricks from the coax lines at the back of my box, not a black recording since.

Just recently I got the HR20-100. I never had any DVR before so I was coming into DVR's as a newbie. I can say without having been used to TIVO the H20 seems be easy to use. Not sure what I'm missing but I really like the H20. Channel surfing is not that bad (a little longer then the H10) but I use the Guide to surf so no problems there. Also, having the H20 for about a month I have had no issues at all with it. Very good machine.
The DirecTivos are simple to use, very intuitive, and have an excellent remote in terms of ergonomics and layout; but part of it is that we are just used to using them. I think their primary major advantage over the HR20, perhaps their only major advantage, is their reliability. And I was one of the long-term die-hard Tivo users.

The HR20 has several features the Tivo lacks, the most important to me being the "Back" button. The eSATA port is another a great feature. After a month with the HR20 I am easily able to leave my Tivo on standby (but I won't disconnect it until the HR20 is less buggy).

I got sick of black screen recordings, and removed the gray bricks from the coax lines at the back of my box, not a black recording since.
The "gray bricks" are the BBCs for when the new SATs go up and the Ka-Lo channels. You might want to get them replaced soon [before everybody wants them]. FWIW

FYI, the latest update may have "bricked" some device functions. The trickplay on my local channels will not work, you press the 30sec slip it returns to the beginning. Same for fast forward. All other channels are fine. The locals I get are not Mpeg4, just regular SD. Any fixes?
It seems odd to be just my locals, maybe an attempt to force us into commercials?

The DBSTalk boards, have a few users losing their entire library.


Which version, -100 or -700?

Which version, -100 or -700?
Beta software is currently only for the -700. "bricking" hasn't been seen quite the same way as was posted.
Some testers have seen the files on the drive computed with the past couple of betas along with the national release.
While this isn't a good thing, it may be due to the new software using more resources that are now finding latent defects in some receivers that weren't found earlier.
I downloaded to two units, one had no problem & the other required a RBR to boot. Neither lost anything.

I have 2 of the H20's and no recording capability as of now. I also have the 5 LNB antenna set up...so..Is this a good time to get one of the new units that allow recording my HD programming...before all of the extra channels are available..or should I just wait a little longer...?

Thanks

Mac

I have 2 of the H20's and no recording capability as of now. I also have the 5 LNB antenna set up...so..Is this a good time to get one of the new units that allow recording my HD programming...before all of the extra channels are available..or should I just wait a little longer...?

Thanks

Mac
I think this is more of a personal choice [which I couldn't give].
My two have behaved now since Feb.
There most likely will be a "rush", when the new channels come on-line.
Not being a big DVR type.....pausing live TV [& then rewinding] when someone comes in talking over what I'm watching....is a very big plus [that you never know about until you have it].

Well..that is a big plus for sure..How much of an upgrade cost am I looking at for one of the new units?

Mac

Well..that is a big plus for sure..How much of an upgrade cost am I looking at for one of the new units?
Mac
They "start at" $299 and vary [lower] from there. Costco $268. D* can go $199 to zero.
These will all be leased [not owned] & have a two year programing commitment.

You all should be seeing an update today/night as 015C is headed your way, making you caught up with the HR20-700 national release.

NEW Cutting Edge update Friday and Saturday.
Force update 02468 on remote after reset.

This update 0x16? will introduce the new GUI new look (white).

visit the directv cutting edge thread at www.dbstalk.com

NEW Cutting Edge update Friday and Saturday.
Force update 02468 on remote after reset.

This update 0x16? will introduce the new GUI new look (white).

visit the directv cutting edge thread at www.dbstalk.com
ALL CUTTING EDGE release info will require [free] registration now so you can follow through with the process [aka reporting bugs].

D* does not support these releases through the call center. The ONLY support is on the CE forum.

Please don't download "just to have the latest & greatest" as that is not what you will have. You will have pre-release software that is to be "de-bugged" [so it will have bugs in it].
We welcome all who want to participate [but do ask you to participate in the whole process]

Beta software is currently only for the -700. "bricking" hasn't been seen quite the same way as was posted.
Some testers have seen the files on the drive computed with the past couple of betas along with the national release.
While this isn't a good thing, it may be due to the new software using more resources that are now finding latent defects in some receivers that weren't found earlier.
I downloaded to two units, one had no problem & the other required a RBR to boot. Neither lost anything.
AKA "bricked" :) .

Mine has been pretty good until the local channel=no trickplay thingy.
There are things it does better than my HR10-250 and things it lacks coming from a Tivo unit. I like surfing the guide while watching a recording.

For my current issue, I do not do the "cutting edge" but wait for national releases.
It is just odd that only my local channels have this. I recorded the OTA "Idol" last night with no issues, rewind/fastfwd/30sec slip/ all worked. On the Local feed from D*, only 1x ff works, everything else restarts to the beginning.

AKA "bricked" :) .

Mine has been pretty good until the local channel=no trickplay thingy.
There are things it does better than my HR10-250 and things it lacks coming from a Tivo unit. I like surfing the guide while watching a recording.

For my current issue, I do not do the "cutting edge" but wait for national releases.
It is just odd that only my local channels have this. I recorded the OTA "Idol" last night with no issues, rewind/fastfwd/30sec slip/ all worked. On the Local feed from D*, only 1x ff works, everything else restarts to the beginning.
Being "old school" I think of the term "brick" as being close to an inanimate object.

I don't think 015C has been their best release. It never when through CE. We had 015A so there were two revs to national... :confused:

So you "only" have the problem with your local MPEG-4?
I do a lot of 30 sec with [as much] |< to recover from overshoot, without problems [but I just realized I'm on 015F..opps]. Never really liked 015C.

The "gray bricks" are the BBCs for when the new SATs go up and the Ka-Lo channels. You might want to get them replaced soon [before everybody wants them]. FWIW

vos,

What's a BBC? What do they look like?

I had my Hr-20/100 installed April 2; I just looked at it and the coax cables are plugged directly into it. Did the installers not put something in place that should be there?

It sounds like I need them for reception in the future. Can I install them myself?
Should I, if they cause problems now, or should I try to have DTV send them to me and keep them for future use. Confused. :confused:

vos,

What's a BBC? What do they look like?

I had my Hr-20/100 installed April 2; I just looked at it and the coax cables are plugged directly into it. Did the installers not put something in place that should be there?

It sounds like I need them for reception in the future. Can I install them myself?
Should I, if they cause problems now, or should I try to have DTV send them to me and keep them for future use. Confused. :confused:
Do a google for: DirecTV SUP-2400 B Band Converter BBC Module
As this forum won't let me link to a photo on ebay
It [or they] would connect to the back of your receiver SAT inputs and then the coax to them.
Yes, you should get them [from D*] and make sure they work before the new SATs come on-line [as everybody will be wanting them then].

Do a google for: DirecTV SUP-2400 B Band Converter BBC Module
As this forum won't let me link to a photo on ebay
It [or they] would connect to the back of your receiver SAT inputs and then the coax to them.
Yes, you should get them [from D*] and make sure they work before the new SATs come on-line [as everybody will be wanting them then].

Thanks. Will do.

Being "old school" I think of the term "brick" as being close to an inanimate object.

I don't think 015C has been their best release. It never when through CE. We had 015A so there were two revs to national... :confused:

So you "only" have the problem with your local MPEG-4?
I do a lot of 30 sec with [as much] |< to recover from overshoot, without problems [but I just realized I'm on 015F..opps]. Never really liked 015C.
I am relatively "old skool" also. I ususally refer to bricked as f***ed :) .
For the record, we do not have MPEG4 yet in my area, the trickplay issue is just on the SD locals from D*.
Really a pain to get half way through Heroes season finale and press ff twice only to get bounced to the beginning :mad: . I have the 2 hour Lost season ender to work through this weekend.
I have done two red button resets to no avail, and went from my Harmony 880 to the D* remote to rule out any issues with that. I have also been scanning the DBS Talk threads for any similar issues, nothing so far. I plan to place a call to D* Tech Support, as last time I had trouble they said call when the issue was occuring, as they could "see" different things related to my box. We will see.

I am relatively "old school" also. I usually refer to bricked as f***ed :) .
For the record, we do not have MPEG4 yet in my area, the trickplay issue is just on the SD locals from D*.
Really a pain to get half way through Heroes season finale and press ff twice only to get bounced to the beginning :mad: . I have the 2 hour Lost season ender to work through this weekend.
I have done two red button resets to no avail, and went from my Harmony 880 to the D* remote to rule out any issues with that. I have also been scanning the DBS Talk threads for any similar issues, nothing so far. I plan to place a call to D* Tech Support, as last time I had trouble they said call when the issue was occurring, as they could "see" different things related to my box. We will see.
MPEG-2 SD?
It must be hardware related [since you've ruled out the remote].
"If it were me", I'd watch everything and call D* telling them "gee it just won't power up. No I don't know why..just no lights or anything". Trying to get them to sort out more than "reset, check your cables, unplug it, Oh there is new software coming out..." will be an uphill battle. IMO

I am relatively "old skool" also. I ususally refer to bricked as f***ed :).
I think it's more when it is totally "f***ed up", to the point where it is dead, completely unresponsive, as in: "like a brick".
If it will power up, it isn't "bricked", even though it doesn't work, it's only "screwed up". :)

MPEG-2 SD?
It must be hardware related [since you've ruled out the remote].
"If it were me", I'd watch everything and call D* telling them "gee it just won't power up. No I don't know why..just no lights or anything". Trying to get them to sort out more than "reset, check your cables, unplug it, Oh there is new software coming out..." will be an uphill battle. IMO
True, I can tell you have ridden the D*CSR Express a time or two.

I think it's more when it is totally "f***ed up", to the point where it is dead, completely unresponsive, as in: "like a brick".
If it will power up, it isn't "bricked", even though it doesn't work, it's only "screwed up". :)
I feel ya, either way it is not doing what it is supposed to do.

True, I can tell you have ridden the D*CSR Express a time or two.
The only other "wild card" that comes to mind would be the reset everything from the setup menu. You WILL LOSE EVERYTHING so it's only something to do when you've watched all of the recordings & getting ready for a replacement.

Greetings all,

I posted the following on the Olevia HDTV thread, but wanted to get your input as the message relates to my HR20-700. I know similiar situations have come up before, but I haven't seen anything exactly like this. Thanks in advance for your reply.


I have an HDMI problem, specifically relating to using a Directv HR20-700 DVR with my 537H. My setup is as follows: Samsung HD850 upconverting DVD player and HR20-700 DVR connected with 6 foot HDMI cables to a Monoprice HDMI switch, which is connected with another 6 foot HDMI cable to the 537H. There is no problem using the DVD player, but the 537H has problems when I switch the HR20-700 from HD to a Standard Definition (SD) channel. The 537H works fine when I switch the DVR from SD to HD, or one HD channel to another (either 720p or 1080i), and will switch from HD to SD when the 537H is first turned on, but as the TV warms up, it will fail to recognize the HDMI signal when switching from HD to SD (480P) and put out the "No signal" display. Sometimes cycling through the 537H inputs will cause the SD signal to be recognized, other times not. Sometimes changing the channel on the DVR will cause the signal to be recognized, and, again, other times not. If neither of these work, I have to turn off the 537H for at least 5 minutes for the signal to be recognized when I turn it back on. Needless to say, this is rather annoying. I have tried bypassing the switch and hooking the DVR directly to the 537H HDMI input, but this doesn't make any difference.

I'm not 100 percent sure the problem is the 537H rather than the DVR, but the longer the 537H is on, the more likely it will happen. Assuming there's no problem with the DVR, the only workaround I can think of is to use component video between the DVR and the 537H for the SD channels and HDMI for HD channels, or use component video for everything, leaving the HDMI input for the DVD player. I'd rather use the HDMI input for HD channels from the DVR, so does anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance for your reply.

Jim

Dont forget about the cutting edge software update the tonight and Saturday night at 11p-2:30a est that introduces the new user interface and other features.

got the new download tonight, very awesome, the new GUI looks great, new menus, colors, channel banners, logos.
FF RW alot smoother, great update.

Can force this update, tonight until 2:30est and Sat 11p-2:30a est
reset reciever, then press 02468 on remote and welcome screen.

got the new download tonight, very awesome, the new GUI looks great, new menus, colors, channel banners, logos.
FF RW alot smoother, great update.

Can force this update, tonight until 2:30est and Sat 11p-2:30a est
reset reciever, then press 02468 on remote and welcome screen.


This is for the 700?

When do you enter the code?

bob

Got a new HR20-700 via Fedex yesterday to replace my original HR20-700 (installed in late march and think had a bad OTA tuner) and unable to get to work. Hooked up same configuration as the original HR20-700 (video to Samsung HD plasma via HDMI) and after initial startup screen (step 1 of 2) goes to blank screen and get a "not supported mode bar" on the TV. Tried several resets and same result. Called D* and setup tech appointment. Put original HR20-700 back in place and restarted ok. Are there any know problems with the HDMI setup on the HR20-700 that I should be aware of before the tech comes out Tues? Original problem with the HR20-700 was one local channel (CBS channel 8 here in Indianapolis which has not signed on with D* for HD). We have a HR10-250 in another room and no problems with OTA and good signal strength. Tried switching outdoor OTA cables and same result with the HR20-700 signal strength very week on channel 8 and the HR10-250 has good signal strength. This low signal strength on channel 8 is only on the HR20-700 but the OTA signal strength is very good on all of the other OTA channels ABC, NBC and FOX on the HR20-700. Only thing that I could figure was a bad OTA tuner on the HR20-700. Does this make sense and has anybody had a similar problem? If you have any suggestions they will be appreciated. Thanks

This is for the 700?

When do you enter the code?

bob


Go into the setup menu, go to reset, then restart.

Once reciever powers off then back on, the first screen you see with text on it, on the remote, press 0 2 4 6 8, then wait, youll see a searching for software screen, it takes 10-15 minutes to load and restart, just let it run and once live programming comes back you are done. Youll see several steps , wait until you see normal programming to use the reciever.

Go to www.dbstalk.com
and register and then go to the directv cutting edge thread for all the info, subscribe to the cutting edge thread and youll get email notifications when the pre national releases are and you can help directv test these release before everyone else gets them.

BEWARE OF RANDOM FORCING OF A UPDATE
REMEMBER YOU CAN ONLY GET CE UPDATES DURING THE OPEN WINDOWS 11p-2:30a eastern, WHEN THEY ARE ANNOUNCED, IF YOU TRY THE FORCE UPDATES AT OTHER TIMES YOULL LOOSE THE CE UPDATE AND REVERT BACK TO THE PRIOR NATIONAL RELEASE VERSION.

SO IF YOU DOWN LOAD TONIGHTS, DONT TRY ANOTHER FORCE DOWNLOAD, OR YOU WILL LOOSE THIS VERSION. WAIT FOR THE NEXT CE RELEASE WINDOW.

This was one of the best releases so far. The new color and look is a major improvement.
New channel logos, and some others updated, I think this is the 1st update to the logos since it was released last year.
Some of the new logos, CW, Sleuth, VS, SportSouth, Spike, GOD, GAC, CMT, 101, Encores, Showtime Showcase and more.
Channel changes are faster.
One touch guide option is now in the menu(select between guide 1st or filter 1st)
Scroll option in menu(have guide page to page or scroll)

Got a new HR20-700 via Fedex yesterday to replace my original HR20-700 (installed in late march and think had a bad OTA tuner) and unable to get to work. Hooked up same configuration as the original HR20-700 (video to Samsung HD plasma via HDMI) and after initial startup screen (step 1 of 2) goes to blank screen and get a "not supported mode bar" on the TV. Tried several resets and same result. Called D* and setup tech appointment. Put original HR20-700 back in place and restarted ok. Are there any know problems with the HDMI setup on the HR20-700 that I should be aware of before the tech comes out Tues? Original problem with the HR20-700 was one local channel (CBS channel 8 here in Indianapolis which has not signed on with D* for HD). We have a HR10-250 in another room and no problems with OTA and good signal strength. Tried switching outdoor OTA cables and same result with the HR20-700 signal strength very week on channel 8 and the HR10-250 has good signal strength. This low signal strength on channel 8 is only on the HR20-700 but the OTA signal strength is very good on all of the other OTA channels ABC, NBC and FOX on the HR20-700. Only thing that I could figure was a bad OTA tuner on the HR20-700. Does this make sense and has anybody had a similar problem? If you have any suggestions they will be appreciated. Thanks

I had the same issue. Do the setup through components, then deactivate 480i in the STB menu and then connect your HDMI. Samsung does noy support 480i.

Got a new HR20-700 via Fedex yesterday to replace my original HR20-700 (installed in late march and think had a bad OTA tuner) and unable to get to work. Hooked up same configuration as the original HR20-700 (video to Samsung HD plasma via HDMI) and after initial startup screen (step 1 of 2) goes to blank screen and get a "not supported mode bar" on the TV. Tried several resets and same result. Called D* and setup tech appointment. Put original HR20-700 back in place and restarted ok. Are there any know problems with the HDMI setup on the HR20-700 that I should be aware of before the tech comes out Tues? Original problem with the HR20-700 was one local channel (CBS channel 8 here in Indianapolis which has not signed on with D* for HD). We have a HR10-250 in another room and no problems with OTA and good signal strength. Tried switching outdoor OTA cables and same result with the HR20-700 signal strength very week on channel 8 and the HR10-250 has good signal strength. This low signal strength on channel 8 is only on the HR20-700 but the OTA signal strength is very good on all of the other OTA channels ABC, NBC and FOX on the HR20-700. Only thing that I could figure was a bad OTA tuner on the HR20-700. Does this make sense and has anybody had a similar problem? If you have any suggestions they will be appreciated. Thanks
I think if you connect with component and then download the national release software, you might have better luck. After the update, you should be able to go back to HDMI.

Go into the setup menu, go to reset, then restart.

Once reciever powers off then back on, the first screen you see with text on it, on the remote, press 0 2 4 6 8, then wait, youll see a searching for software screen, it takes 10-15 minutes to load and restart, just let it run and once live programming comes back you are done. Youll see several steps , wait until you see normal programming to use the reciever.

Go to www.dbstalk.com
and register and then go to the directv cutting edge thread for all the info, subscribe to the cutting edge thread and youll get email notifications when the pre national releases are and you can help directv test these release before everyone else gets them.

Also remember that D* call centers don't support this software.

Any problems [we had a few] need to be posted on the CE forum.
Also log on to the chat room for help during the download window.

Do a google for: DirecTV SUP-2400 B Band Converter BBC Module
As this forum won't let me link to a photo on ebay
It [or they] would connect to the back of your receiver SAT inputs and then the coax to them.
Yes, you should get them [from D*] and make sure they work before the new SATs come on-line [as everybody will be wanting them then].

Vos,

Thanks for the info; a little reading on the D* technical forum made me think that I live where the BBCs aren't needed for locals. I looked in the box where the installers stuck my old receiver and there they were- 2 of them. :)

BTW- what are the sympoms if these things are not working just right? Will they mess up a signal if they are not needed?

Got a new HR20-700 via Fedex yesterday to replace my original HR20-700 (installed in late march and think had a bad OTA tuner) and unable to get to work. Hooked up same configuration as the original HR20-700 (video to Samsung HD plasma via HDMI) and after initial startup screen (step 1 of 2) goes to blank screen and get a "not supported mode bar" on the TV. Tried several resets and same result. Called D* and setup tech appointment. Put original HR20-700 back in place and restarted ok. Are there any know problems with the HDMI setup on the HR20-700 that I should be aware of before the tech comes out Tues? Original problem with the HR20-700 was one local channel (CBS channel 8 here in Indianapolis which has not signed on with D* for HD). We have a HR10-250 in another room and no problems with OTA and good signal strength. Tried switching outdoor OTA cables and same result with the HR20-700 signal strength very week on channel 8 and the HR10-250 has good signal strength. This low signal strength on channel 8 is only on the HR20-700 but the OTA signal strength is very good on all of the other OTA channels ABC, NBC and FOX on the HR20-700. Only thing that I could figure was a bad OTA tuner on the HR20-700. Does this make sense and has anybody had a similar problem? If you have any suggestions they will be appreciated. Thanks

Your setup problem is almost certainly because your Samsung TV is one of those that does not support 480i resolution signals over HDMI. As has been suggested, you can set the system up using component video. Make sure that you uncheck 480i in the HR20's resolution list so that 480i signals will be upconverted by the HR20 before they are sent to the Samsung.

Your channel 8 problem is very unlikely to be a faulty tuner. Every tuner has different characteristics, in general the HR20 is better than the HR10 but they are different in their vulnerability to multipath. Also WISH is your only station using VHF (it's on channel 9, all the other digital stations use UHF) which may why you would only see multipath on channel 8.1 Do you see any ghosting on analog channel 8 if you use an analog TV?
Suggest you tune the HR20 to channel 8.1 and then adjust your antenna to the left or right and see if the signal strength improves. If it's multipath, often a few degrees will make a big difference although I needed to move my antenna 15 degrees away from my VHF station to eliminate multipath effects.

Vos,

Thanks for the info; a little reading on the D* technical forum made me think that I live where the BBCs aren't needed for locals. I looked in the box where the installers stuck my old receiver and there they were- 2 of them. :)

BTW- what are the symptoms if these things are not working just right? Will they mess up a signal if they are not needed?
So far: no locals HD channels are using Ka-lo. They're all Ka-hi [no need for using BBCs].
If they're bad [again so far since Ka-lo isn't yet used], they will degrade your signals [771 error] as they don't pass the frequencies they should. Later when the Ka-lo starts, we can then find out if they convert the signals as they should.

Took your advice and did initial startup using an S-Video cable and set the box resolution to 480P. Everything progressed normally and got D* to activate the New HR20-700 and deactivate the original one. During the initial setup HR20-700 spent around 10 minutes downloading new software (015C) and then restarted normally. After the completed setup shut down the HR20-700 and reconnected the HDMI cable and went through reboot and worked ok. Getting OTA signal strengths of 85 to 95% (on channel 8.1 the HD OTA signal for CBS here in Indianapolis) on the new HR20-700 (same as on the HR10-250 Tivo in the other room) versus 65 to 70% on the original HR20-700. Gotta figure the tuner was bad but strangely only for channel 8 and not the other HD OTA network broadcasts. Thanks to all.

I'm very pleased with the new CE!!!!!

The channel banner lag was my biggest GRIP...now the channel logo/# and title banner appear at the same time....no matter how fast I change channels!!!!!!What a relief.......+++I haven't heard anyone talk about the group play option that was added also......We can now watch all of our Tv series continuesly.....this is a great addition......I was tired of watching my 30min tv shows and having to select another once the program was over......My only wish Is that D* could let us program the shows that we wont to watch ....because I noticed that if Group play is selected ...the shows start at the earleast recording and works its way to the latest recording!!!!!!Anyways this is a GREAT CE........THANK YOU D*.....

I'm very pleased with the new CE!!!!!

The channel banner lag was my biggest GRIP...now the channel logo/# and title banner appear at the same time....no matter how fast I change channels!!!!!!What a relief.......+++I haven't heard anyone talk about the group play option that was added also......We can now watch all of our Tv series continuesly.....this is a great addition......I was tired of watching my 30min tv shows and having to select another once the program was over......My only wish Is that D* could let us program the shows that we wont to watch ....because I noticed that if Group play is selected ...the shows start at the earleast recording and works its way to the latest recording!!!!!!Anyways this is a GREAT CE........THANK YOU D*.....


How do you set group play or is it default?


bob

How do you set group play or is it default?
bob
It's not really "set", but go to the folder [don't open it] and press >
the bottom show will start first & move up the list.

Is it safe to get the HR20-700 at this point? Have they worked out all of the bugs?

Is it safe to get the HR20-700 at this point? Have they worked out all of the bugs?
I'm sure this could be seen as a relative statement.

I will say that my two haven't had a problem since Feb. Every show has recorded & been playable.

Cutting Edge software force update window #2 tonight.
Remember load at your own risk, no directv support.
Ive had no problems since I loaded it last night, very good release.
The new user interface and more.

Visit the cutting edge thread at www.dbstalk.com
and subscribe to the thread to help test these releases.

Cutting Edge software force update window #2 tonight.
Remember load at your own risk, no directv support.
Ive had no problems since I loaded it last night, very good release.
The new user interface and more.

Visit the cutting edge thread at www.dbstalk.com
and subscribe to the thread to help test these releases.

This is just a shameless plug for our forum.. :lol

yep, dbstalk is the best forum out there.

I've been trying to do the Forced Update tonight, 10:30 pacific, to no avail.

Any suggestions why it's not working? I've tried the remote restart, restart button and unplugged. It goes through the process but never shows the updating software screen or a new version of the software once it's done.

I've been trying to do the Forced Update tonight, 10:30 pacific, to no avail.

Any suggestions why it's not working? I've tried the remote restart, restart button and unplugged. It goes through the process but never shows the updating software screen or a new version of the software once it's done.
I'd guess two things:
1) 10:30 PDT was when the download window closed [8:00-10:30].
2) You need to press the numbers in slowly one at a time [no enter] just as the blue lights start to spin [or a couple of sec later].
It sounds like you were just a bit late, which can happen.

So next time, come over to the chat room at DBSTalk and you can get "on-line" help, but you will need to be there earlier.

http://www.dbstalk.com/chat.php?/

Got 0x164 early this morning, I like the new color scheme. Still having the no trickplay on SD D* locals issue. All other channels get trickplay with no trouble.

Anyone experiencing "no sound" issues on SD content only? A reset fixes it every time, but it's happened three times in the last three days now. Usually I'm on an HD channel in the background and I select a previously recorded show in SD. The show will have no sound nor will anything else in SD from that point forward until I reset the box. Any live or recorded HD will have sound though. I'm using the optical output to my receiver and have it set to pass Dolby Digital and PCM. I'll switch it to PCM only for now to see if it makes a difference.

What are the temperature ranges for the HR20? I have moved mine into a cabinet with limited venting in my bedroom so I don't hear it or see all the lights. I checked the settings and the internal temperature was at 122 F.

Deezul

I think it depends upon the model. I have the 100 inside a cabinet with about three inches on the sides and about four on the top (back closed) and all day the internal temp is never above 118 degrees. If you have the 700 I heard some up to 130.

If you have the 700 I heard some up to 130.
I think this is "pushing" the upper limit.
126 is very common on mine though and they're out in the open. FWIW

Installer at my house now and looking for info, he is telling me the 100 is the one that is being installed now not the 700, I believe that is BS, can someone help?

Installer at my house now and looking for info, he is telling me the 100 is the one that is being installed now not the 700, I believe that is BS, can someone help?Should be on the box...

Robert, I was more concerned about the 100 being an older box then the 700, I did find out that is just a different manufacture, my bad for not knowing that. Does one have more issues then the other?

Robert, I was more concerned about the 100 being an older box then the 700, I did find out that is just a different manufacture, my bad for not knowing that. Does one have more issues then the other?

I have both. Other than some cosmetic changes between manufacturers, with the latest national releases of the software both are fine machines (though some more improvements wouldn't hurt).

HR20-700 users-
Cutting Edge download window tonight and Saturday night, if you want the White GUI, this update will get it for you. 11p-2:30a FRI and Sat night

Force download method. Reset reciever and at welcome screen, press 02468 on the remote.

Visit the www.dbstalk.com
cutting edge thread for all the info on the CE releases.

Robert, I was more concerned about the 100 being an older box then the 700, I did find out that is just a different manufacture, my bad for not knowing that. Does one have more issues then the other?

Actually the "100" is newer. Again, the same specs went into the box design but each manufacturer did some tweaking. The "700" is the original box, the "100" came out later and was in black and silver. Apparently D* didn't want to mess with "preference" and have gone to only silver now. No significant differences, although the "100s" tend to run a bit cooler - what that means long term is not known.

Chris

Thanks guys for the info. So far so good. Just starting to get my feet wet on the different interface. Somethings I really like. like watching the TV while on the guide and such.

One question, does anyone have two HR20's in the same room and how do you set up the remotes? The old tivo you could setup the remote for a specific receiver. Have not seen that yet but I have not fully investigated either, so this may be a dumb question.

Thanks guys for the info. So far so good. Just starting to get my feet wet on the different interface. Somethings I really like. like watching the TV while on the guide and such.

One question, does anyone have two HR20's in the same room and how do you set up the remotes? The old tivo you could setup the remote for a specific receiver. Have not seen that yet but I have not fully investigated either, so this may be a dumb question.
I do. I use RF mode and have one using the default DTV position & the other using an AV2 [could use AV1 also].
All I need to do is move the slider switch to "talk" to which ever I want.