hi guys i have made several mpeg2 HD-dvd's from my canon hv20 and it works great but i am limited to 20 - 40 miniutes for dv5 and dv9 disks (when keeping quality as its max @ 25mb/s ) ... is there a way of making avc hd-dvd disks ??? if so is there a tutorial for it ? i would like to try it, or could some one give me a link ??? thank - Marty.

hi guys i have made several mpeg2 HD-dvd's from my canon hv20 and it works great but i am limited to 20 - 40 miniutes for dv5 and dv9 disks (when keeping quality as its max @ 25mb/s ) ... is there a way of making avc hd-dvd disks ??? if so is there a tutorial for it ? i would like to try it, or could some one give me a link ??? thank - Marty.

As far as I know there are no home software applications for authoring h264 AVC HD-DVD's.. This can be done for Blu-ray players that support AVCHD, but the only app I know that can do what you're suggesting is Scenarist (which is very pricey).

What media do you guys use for authored discs?

I have been trying multiple brands but have recently discovered playback problems on some content at what appears to be the layer change point on the disc. The video goes blocky and may cause the player to pause at that point or toss up a message saying to check the disc or display MSG6.

Has anyone dealt with this before?

Thus far I've used many media types:

Verbatim +R DL
Ritek +R DL
Memorex +R DL
Nexxtech +R DL (Circuit City brand)
Windata +R DL (Microcenter brand)
Ritek -R DL (incompatible with my burners)

The playback problems I have noticed so far are on some of the Nexxtech media. I need to do additional testing on my other burns.

Most discs authored with mf5 or 6, then recorded with nero 7 with physical disc type set and 2.4x write speed manually forced.

africanmarty,

I have used the instructions from this link to take my MPG2 files to AVCHD disks:

http://forum.videohelp.com/topic346069.html


I just run my .MPG2 files through "tsMuxer" into .M2TS files. Then use "TsRemux" to take the .M2TS files, and make the folders for the AVCHD disk (pick "Blu-Ray" for the output of "TsRemux"). Then I just burn the folders with Nero like I do my HD-DVDs.

I think Isoburn can also burn these disks.

I have burned a few disks this way and my friends with PS3s say they play fine. The only bad thing I have noticed is the same MPG2 file takes more space on a AVCHD disk compared to HD-DVD. I have had one program that fit on a single layer DVD as a HD-DVD that I had to burn to a double layer DVD to make a AVCHD disk of the same file.

As far as I know there are no home software applications for authoring h264 AVC HD-DVD's.. This can be done for Blu-ray players that support AVCHD, but the only app I know that can do what you're suggesting is Scenarist (which is very pricey).
I've discovered that the soon to be released version of BeyondTV (4.8.1) with its optional DVD writing module seems to support converting MPEG files to AVC HD DVD files. As shown in the attachemnt, you can tell BeyondTV to use ShowSqueeze to take a .MPG file and create a file with one of several AVC profiles. I'm trying to figure out what that means.

I have used it to take a 17 GB, 3.5 hour program and resize it to fit onto a DL disk with minimal loss of quality. However, it creates a MP4 file and I've no idea if Nero 8 will allow you to burn this to a HD DVD.

Does anyone know if Nero 8 + the HD DVD add on will allow you to create HD DVDs from MP4 containers?

BTW, BeyondTV 4.8.1 is available as a Beta and I've been using it for about a month.

dwisniskim,

Well I am almost there. Here is what I have done so far and final output video is wrong aspect ratio.

I think I messed up on the mux and demux parts.

Basically I took a 1.02s mkv. 24 fps and 1280 X 544.

I used mkvextract to extract the audio .dts file from the mkv.

I then used the following command to encode the video.
C:\Program Files\WinFF\ffmpeg.exe" -i "D:\file folder\script.avs" -vcodec mpeg2video -sameq -acodec copy -f vob -copyts -y "d:/video.m2v"

I kept the avs file the sample the same.

After encoding I ran DDpulldown and selected 24 --> 29.97 (question do I still need to do this if the files is originally fps 29.97)

I then remuxed the audio and video with mergemkv (mkv tool kit). The weird thing is that mergermkv wants to create a .mkv file again. I just changed it to video.m2v. Othersise MP+ would not see the file. I tried TMPG however it does not accept .dts files.

I opened MF6+ and output to a HD-DVD compliant folder.

When I viewed the final picture it was completely stretched.

Couple of questions:
1) lets say I get everything working and the final HD-DVD folder is larger then a SL or DL DVD. Is there a way to shrink. I mean the 1 min sample used 134MB and a 90 minute would take 12+GB. How do I make this fit on a DL of SL disk.

I will probably have more, I am now converting a full length show.

I was following the guide, but using a .wmv which is 1080p hd with 5.1...
I can reencode it to a hd dvd_ts folder with Ulead6.
How do I make it the size i need for the dvddl disks?? Its making it a 15gig hd dvd folder...
Can I spread the hddvd over 2 dvddl some how??

Lee

powerplyer,

You either have to split the mpeg-2 file into two files [I]before[I] you author them to HD-DVD so that they fit onto DVD+/-R's, or you have to use a mpeg-2 transcoding program to shrink the file down to fit on a blank DVD, but this will mean a loss in quality from your original mpeg-2 file. As for your stretching...since you're using MF6+, are you using the HDPatch header trick? I guess you don't need to, but if you are, you need to change the .evo header back after you have your HD-DVD files. If you're not using HDPatch, maybe something happened when you remuxed the files using mkvmerge. Try using a 1-minute sample clip to test everything out before you do your main movie.

Hyrax, good news, I will be looking for the new BeyondTV 4.8.1 program.

dwisniski,

Thanks for the quick reply.

I tried to use HDPatch but it would not take my DDpulldown .m2v file. It only excepts .mpg files. So I was not able to use HDPatch.

Here are the steps I did for mux/demux.

Original Video:
1280 X 720
24 fps
1 hour and 20+ minutes

Have video.mkv file --> 5 GB
Use mvkextract to get only the audio file seperated --> ~1/4 size of original file. at .dts file
Then used ffshow and Avisynh to create a .m2v.file --> 7 GB
I then use mvkmerge to merge the .m2v file and the .dts file --> Back to a .mvk file
I then did a pull down from 24pfs to 29.97. --> Which gives me a .m2v file (BTW I looked at the properties of this file and it still shows 24fps but the 1280 X 720 now. 7GB

I then opened MF6+ and selected New Project and then "HD-DVD". I insereted the .m2v file that was just converted from DDpulldown. 15GB file

This is where I am stuck. MF6+ will not let me select 1280 X 720 (not avaliable). It is trying to reencode the video to 1920 X 1080. I do not think this should be happening. Why would I be reencoding twice. --> Still encoding.

I will give a smaller file a try soon.

I then took that file

dwisniskim,

Well I am almost there. Here is what I have done so far and final output video is wrong aspect ratio.

I think I messed up on the mux and demux parts.

Basically I took a 1.02s mkv. 24 fps and 1280 X 544.

I used mkvextract to extract the audio .dts file from the mkv.

I then used the following command to encode the video.
C:\Program Files\WinFF\ffmpeg.exe" -i "D:\file folder\script.avs" -vcodec mpeg2video -sameq -acodec copy -f vob -copyts -y "d:/video.m2v"


Couple of questions:
1) lets say I get everything working and the final HD-DVD folder is larger then a SL or DL DVD. Is there a way to shrink. I mean the 1 min sample used 134MB and a 90 minute would take 12+GB. How do I make this fit on a DL of SL disk.

I will probably have more, I am now converting a full length show.

You need to use the "add borders" function to add vertical lines until the vertical resolution is 720 and not 544. I have not done any of this yet but have been doing a lot of reading on Doom9 forum to learn how.

If you want the final size to fit a DL disk, then you need a bit rate calculator to find the correct average bit rate and then use that setting in your command lind for the encode. There are some GUI programs that could help, search for RipBot264 on Doom9 forum for one to try, again I have not used any of this yet, just learning.

Mike T

Mike,

Thanks for the feed back. I looked up ripbot264, intersting program. I have no problems (i think) getting the final video from 544 to 720p. I use Avisynth and ffshow, I think something is happening during the ddpulldown stage where things are getting messed up. I tell DDpulldown pro to go from 24 fps to 29.97, but the end file is still at 24fps.

I will also have to figure out the bitrate and calculate how to get it down to 8.5GB. I thought it would not be an issue as the original .mkv file is like 6 GB.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am stuck in a rut. I am installing Win XP in my system in case Vista is causing interop issue with some of the software. HPPatch just does not want to work.

I just got Nero 8 Ultra, and bought the HD DVD plug in. I've got to say that after just *one* try I burned HD DVD data on to a regular DVD disc, and it WORKED. The file I was using was 1080p with DD 5.1 sound. It looks gorgeous, but I've run in to a few issues.

1. The Nero menus NEVER seem to show up. So when you start the disc you get a garbled pic followed by my HD-A1 telling you it can't play the disc. You simply hit "Play" again and it starts playing fine. This isn't that big of a deal, imo, but I am wondering if it can ever be fixed.

2. DD 5.1, though I choose it for the audio format, seems to only be coming from my center speaker. I tried choosing PCM, and that had the sound coming out as just static through the left and right speakers(stereo, essentially). I am going to re-encode using "Automatic" and see how that pans out. Has anyone run in to this issue?

Past that, there really aren't any issues other than the long encode times. It doesn't bother me that much, because instead of using 5 or 6 different programs, I can just use one and it still works. I have read about some other people having issues with the sound not converting correctly, something about demuxing the .evo file. Anyone know much about that?

Thanks! :)

I've discovered that the soon to be released version of BeyondTV (4.8.1) with its optional DVD writing module seems to support converting MPEG files to AVC HD DVD files. As shown in the attachemnt, you can tell BeyondTV to use ShowSqueeze to take a .MPG file and create a file with one of several AVC profiles. I'm trying to figure out what that means.

I have used it to take a 17 GB, 3.5 hour program and resize it to fit onto a DL disk with minimal loss of quality. However, it creates a MP4 file and I've no idea if Nero 8 will allow you to burn this to a HD DVD.

Does anyone know if Nero 8 + the HD DVD add on will allow you to create HD DVDs from MP4 containers?

BTW, BeyondTV 4.8.1 is available as a Beta and I've been using it for about a month.

does any one know if this 'beyond tv' will author/burn avc hddvd's ???

I have used it to take a 17 GB, 3.5 hour program and resize it to fit onto a DL disk with minimal loss of quality. However, it creates a MP4 file and I've no idea if Nero 8 will allow you to burn this to a HD DVD.

Does anyone know if Nero 8 + the HD DVD add on will allow you to create HD DVDs from MP4 containers?

I have Nero 8, and have now made 3 HD DVD discs out of various file formats, if you can point me to a sample of a file in an MP4 container, I'll try it for you and let you know. :)

What file formats have you been able to convert to hd-dvd with Nero 8? I'd be interested in wmv-hd, and x264 inside an mkv.

What file formats have you been able to convert to hd-dvd with Nero 8? I'd be interested in wmv-hd, and x264 inside an mkv.

So far I've used two Transport Streams(.ts) and a WMV-HD file. I have not attempted MKV just yet, but am going to try one of those later this week.

I have Nero 8, and have now made 3 HD DVD discs out of various file formats, if you can point me to a sample of a file in an MP4 container, I'll try it for you and let you know. :)
I'll try to see how to get you a small file. It may take a little time, however. I'm setting up a new computer and have yet to install any software...

I'll try to see how to get you a small file. It may take a little time, however. I'm setting up a new computer and have yet to install any software...

Oh, don't worry about it, I can get an .mkv on my own. It's just if you wanted a specific .mkv file tested. I've got an .mkv coming to me now, so once I get it I'll let you know how Nero 8 handles it.

Oh, don't worry about it, I can get an .mkv on my own. It's just if you wanted a specific .mkv file tested. I've got an .mkv coming to me now, so once I get it I'll let you know how Nero 8 handles it.
I wanted to find out if the MP4 'flavor' of h264 encoded files would work, not MKV.

I wanted to find out if the MP4 'flavor' of h264 encoded files would work, not MKV.

Ah, I see. Ok, I'll see what I can find and give it a shot. So far, I've yet to find anything that Nero won't encode, but we'll see how it goes.

Roxio Toast Titanium 9 now allows for burning HD DVD 15 and 4.5/9 disks via a separate plugin. The plugin is free until April 15. I'm not sure if there are any HD DVD burners with Macintosh drivers available though. I have a bunch of Eye TV recordings I'm going to try burning to HD DVD 9.

I've purchased it. But so far Toast has blown up every time I've tried to burn HD content.

I burned an HD DVD 4.5 last night from an Eye TV recording, but the results were underwelming. Toast 9 appeared to down rez the 1080i content. Eye TV recording was MPEG2 1080i Dolby 5.1. I'll try transcoding the Eye TV recording to H.264. Otherwise my A35 recognized the disk and loaded it pretty quickly, I guess without ACSS the player is more quick to load the content.

I burned an HD DVD 4.5 last night from an Eye TV recording, but the results were underwelming. Toast 9 appeared to down rez the 1080i content. Eye TV recording was MPEG2 1080i Dolby 5.1. I'll try transcoding the Eye TV recording to H.264. Otherwise my A35 recognized the disk and loaded it pretty quickly, I guess without ACSS the player is more quick to load the content.
Have you tried to play it in DVD Player.app yet?

Have you tried to play it in DVD Player.app yet?

The Mac DVD player app does play the EVO formated disk. I used Eye TV to transcode the recording to MP4/H.264. I'll try burning another disk. The Toast 9 manual says you can burn without transcoding.

Excellent. I assume that 30 minutes per DVD-5 limit is because of MPEG2. If one can get an hour of H.264 on a DVD-5 (or 2 hours on DVD-9), that would be perfect.

I can't wait to try this out...

Burned an MPEG2 1080i file, worked pretty good. The 39 minute vid took 3.7GB of space in MPEG2. Used an Eye TV recording. Set Toast 9 to the same codec, the default is MP4. The broadcast compression artifacts were very apparent in dark regions, but brightly lit areas look good. MP4 should take about half the space, so you should be able to get 2hrs on one DVD 9 disk.

I burned one of these HD DVDs to DVD-R, using 8 minutes of Quicktime HD animated music videos.

It skips on my iMac, when played from the internal laptop slot-load drive. I guess the drive can't handle the transfer rate, cuz I burned it at 26 Mbps MPEG2. However, when I loaded the disc into an external Firewire desktop DVD drive, it worked fine.

Similarly, it skipped on my Toshiba standalone, presumably also because it couldn't handle the transfer rate for DVD media. I will try again with H.264, at a much lower bitrate this time.

I've purchased it. But so far Toast has blown up every time I've tried to burn HD content.
I can't seem to get it to work at all with H.264. It always claims there is a problem with the source material.

It burned an HD DVD on DVD-R disc fine with MPEG2, using the same source material. Unfortunately, MPEG2 really eats up space of course.

I can't seem to get it to work at all with H.264. It always claims there is a problem with the source material.

It burned an HD DVD on DVD-R disc fine with MPEG2, using the same source material. Unfortunately, MPEG2 really eats up space of course.

hi BuGsArEtAsTy,

Can you please tell me where I can find the instruction to burn h.264 to a DVD-R disk?

Thanks.

Roxio Toast Titanium 9 now allows for burning HD DVD 15 and 4.5/9 disks via a separate plugin. The plugin is free until April 15. I'm not sure if there are any HD DVD burners with Macintosh drivers available though. I have a bunch of Eye TV recordings I'm going to try burning to HD DVD 9.
You mentioned it's free, but I don't find a download link on their site, only the purchase option. Could you point me into the right direction?

Edit: I found it --- it's only free if you buy Toast 9 in their online store.

hi BuGsArEtAsTy,

Can you please tell me where I can find the instruction to burn h.264 to a DVD-R disk?

Thanks.
Look up a couple of posts for Toast.

However...

As I mentioned before, I can't burn HD DVD at all if I use H.264 encoding, despite the fact that's one of Toast's main features. Toast keeps telling me that there's something wrong with the source material, which is of course false. If I burn the exact same stuff to MPEG2, it works fine. There's something seriously wrong with Toast's H.264 support.

BTW, for MPEG2, I tried burning at 18 Mbps, and that's still too high a bitrate on DVD media. My iMac's DVD drive can't keep up for reads so the playback skips.

I'm now trying 15 Mbps, but I suspect that that still will be too fast. Are these laptop DVD drives only 1X read when the data is on the inner tracks? If so, that means only about 11 Mbps is going to work, and that just doesn't cut it for MPEG2.

Roxio really needs to get the H.264 support working properly in Toast 9.

Look up a couple of posts for Toast.

However...

As I mentioned before, I can't burn HD DVD at all if I use H.264 encoding, despite the fact that's one of Toast's main features. Toast keeps telling me that there's something wrong with the source material, which is of course false. If I burn the exact same stuff to MPEG2, it works fine. There's something seriously wrong with Toast's H.264 support.

BTW, for MPEG2, I tried burning at 18 Mbps, and that's still too high a bitrate on DVD media. My iMac's DVD drive can't keep up for reads so the playback skips.

I'm now trying 15 Mbps, but I suspect that that still will be too fast. Are these laptop DVD drives only 1X read when the data is on the inner tracks? If so, that means only about 11 Mbps is going to work, and that just doesn't cut it for MPEG2.

Roxio really needs to get the H.264 support working properly in Toast 9.

What media are you using? I never had good luck with the +Rs. I never encountered issue with -R. I remember, I had a 1920x1080i recording at 25mbps, it worked like a charm on DVD-R but not DVD+R.

Thanks for the Toast. I will read up about it and test. I will keep you posted.

What media are you using? I never had good luck with the +Rs. I never encountered issue with -R. I remember, I had a 1920x1080i recording at 25mbps, it worked like a charm on DVD-R but not DVD+R.

Thanks for the Toast. I will read up about it and test. I will keep you posted.
I've had issues with both +R and -R, and have also had good luck with both.

Anyways, I've been burning the discs at 2X, and the computer drives I've tested them in are specifically +R compatible.

Nonetheless, as an experiment, I will try DVD-R. But like I said, I think it's just that my iMac's laptop drive isn't quite up to the task of reading that fast off the inner tracks. If I use an external desktop drive, the same disc gets read just fine.

P.S. Roxio Toast is a Mac program. Hopefully you have a Mac you can work with.

I've had issues with both +R and -R, and have also had good luck with both.

Anyways, I've been burning the discs at 2X, and the computer drives I've tested them in are specifically +R compatible.

Nonetheless, as an experiment, I will try DVD-R. But like I said, I think it's just that my iMac's laptop drive isn't quite up to the task of reading that fast off the inner tracks. If I use an external desktop drive, the same disc gets read just fine.

P.S. Roxio Toast is a Mac program. Hopefully you have a Mac you can work with.

Yep, when I searched about Toast, I found out it was for Mac. I don't have a Mac. So looks like I will have to search for a pc video tool that will be able to author h.264 files to hddvd.

Further testing with SONYD21 (Sony +R) and RITEKF1 (Maxell -R):

26 Mbps DVD+R MPEG2 - Skips on iMac and Toshiba standalone
18 Mbps DVD+R MPEG2 - Skips on iMac and Toshiba standalone
15 Mbps DVD+R MPEG2 - Works fine on iMac, but skips on Toshiba standalone

26 Mbps DVD-R MPEG2 - Works fine on both iMac and Toshiba standalone

Unfortunately, H.264 is still borked, however.

Roxio is aware of the problem. (http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=36424&st=0&p=193877&#entry193877)
We're working on this... but I have authored AVC discs on DVD media.

I'll post an update when we have more information to share, right now we're gathering test files and working on a solution.

ok i have been reading and now iam total confused, i have a 720pmovie in mkv format can i use nero to encode and burn to a dvd -r or do i need to encode this first, help please
thanks

The Roxio made HD DVD discs don't seem to work with the Xbox 360 HD DVD. The disc loads up the menu fine, but there's no way to move beyond the menu as far I can tell.

ok i have been reading and now iam total confused, i have a 720pmovie in mkv format can i use nero to encode and burn to a dvd -r or do i need to encode this first, help please
thanks
As far as I have been able to determine, Nero will not accept MVK files. You can extract the file out of the MKV and then use NeroVision to recode it though.

ok i have been at this all day and still no where near where i want to be, i have an xbox 360 that streams from my pc with mp11 and all works fine now here is my problem, i have a iam legend dts 720p bluray rip that i want to stream and it wont play on the 360 but plays fine on pc, i have a 720p mkv file of shrek the 3 that wont play at all, iam trying to burn shrek to dvd-r with nero but no luck, is there any way that i can just stream it to my 360 without going threw all these programs, or is there some program that will do it all
thanks for the help

ok i have been at this all day and still no where near where i want to be, i have an xbox 360 that streams from my pc with mp11 and all works fine now here is my problem, i have a iam legend dts 720p bluray rip that i want to stream and it wont play on the 360 but plays fine on pc, i have a 720p mkv file of shrek the 3 that wont play at all, iam trying to burn shrek to dvd-r with nero but no luck, is there any way that i can just stream it to my 360 without going threw all these programs, or is there some program that will do it all
thanks for the help

mkv file is a container and it's also very famous in torrent. Hahaha :D

Anyways, extract the movie from the mkv and then play around with the file. Reencode it as mpeg2. You should be good to go.

Further testing with SONYD21 (Sony +R) and RITEKF1 (Maxell -R):

26 Mbps DVD+R MPEG2 - Skips on iMac and Toshiba standalone
18 Mbps DVD+R MPEG2 - Skips on iMac and Toshiba standalone
15 Mbps DVD+R MPEG2 - Works fine on iMac, but skips on Toshiba standalone

26 Mbps DVD-R MPEG2 - Works fine on both iMac and Toshiba standalone

Unfortunately, H.264 is still borked, however.

I even tried 10mbps on DVD+R before, IIRC, it was still stuttering. Just stick with DVD-R ;)

18 Mbps mpeg2 1080i burned with Nero with book type set to physical disk. Using Sony 2.4X +R DL or TDK 8X +R DL play fine on my HD-A2 or HD-A30. I have made several hundred and they all play fine with the correct "book type".

Mike T

ok i have been at this all day and still no where near where i want to be, i have an xbox 360 that streams from my pc with mp11 and all works fine now here is my problem, i have a iam legend dts 720p bluray rip that i want to stream and it wont play on the 360 but plays fine on pc, i have a 720p mkv file of shrek the 3 that wont play at all, iam trying to burn shrek to dvd-r with nero but no luck, is there any way that i can just stream it to my 360 without going threw all these programs, or is there some program that will do it all
thanks for the help

I don't understand, both of those movies are available on HD DVD, why bother going through all this effort when you can simply buy the discs?

iam trying to stream it so see if i can do it, i guess i will keep trying thanks for the help

iam trying to stream it so see if i can do it, i guess i will keep trying thanks for the help
I still don't see the point, but if you're going wireless that's your issue right there. You have to have a monster of a router and a hell of a wireless adapter to stream HD content wirelessly. Try hardwiring your 360 to your PC and see how that goes. If that still doesn't work, then I'd assume it's an issue with the way the 360 is seeing the stream. I used to have one of those dumb-ass D-Link Media Centers, it had all sorts of issues with MKV files.

Using Movie Factory 6, is there a simple way of putting high def onto a 4.7 GB standard def disc and having it playable in a HD-E1?

EDIT: please ignore - I've just discovered there's a patch that gives you an option to do it

I still don't see the point, but if you're going wireless that's your issue right there. You have to have a monster of a router and a hell of a wireless adapter to stream HD content wirelessly. Try hardwiring your 360 to your PC and see how that goes. If that still doesn't work, then I'd assume it's an issue with the way the 360 is seeing the stream. I used to have one of those dumb-ass D-Link Media Centers, it had all sorts of issues with MKV files.

Not really. I've been streaming HD wireless to an Xbox for a couple of years now using cheapo wireless a and g routers from NetGear, Belkin and D-Link. A good 54Mbps router and the standard Xbox wireless adapter does the trick fairly reliably. The only one that ever gave me trouble was the Actiontec I got from Verizon for Fios. It had a firmware incompatibility with the Xbox that's since been resolved, but it still sucks as a router and I piggyback from a Belkin to get better range and a stronger signal.

I stream OTA HD TV and HD movies routinely. Once in a while I'll get a little stutter and a "network congestion" message, but it doesn't happen often and hitting pause for a moment eliminates the problem. Anything I want to keep, I burn using the method outlined here and it works like a charm.

Wired is the most reliable, but for some of us it isn't practical and wireless does the job is configured properly.

well after alot of trying i finally got it to work it streamed well now all i got to do is figure out how to burn it with nero 7 and i promise never to bug you guys again.
thanks to all the people who helped me over the last few days
THANK YOU ALL

Using Ulead Media factory 6, even with the patch and the option for "HD-DVD on 4.7GB SD-DVD", when you put the disc (a DVD-R) in the Toshiba HD-E1 it says "this disc is not DVD format. Cannot play the disc".

Do I need to use something other than a DVD-R? Do only DVD+R or DVD+RW work?
Do I need a newer firmware on the Toshiba HD-E1 (I think I'm running 2.0/T22T firmware version)

well after alot of trying i finally got it to work it streamed well now all i got to do is figure out how to burn it with nero 7 and i promise never to bug you guys again.
thanks to all the people who helped me over the last few days
THANK YOU ALL

According to the Nero site, the HD DVD plugin only allows for authoring when used with Nero 8, but if you read the first page of the authoring guide they talk about how to burn HD files with Nero 7.

Using Ulead Media factory 6, even with the patch and the option for "HD-DVD on 4.7GB SD-DVD", when you put the disc (a DVD-R) in the Toshiba HD-E1 it says "this disc is not DVD format. Cannot play the disc".
Have you tried hitting "Play" after this happens? I can't get a single disc to actually play "properly", they all give me the "there is an error with this disc" message, but all I have to do is hit "Play" on the remote and it does, indeed, play. Try that and see what happens.

Do I need to use something other than a DVD-R? Do only DVD+R or DVD+RW work?
Do I need a newer firmware on the Toshiba HD-E1 (I think I'm running 2.0/T22T firmware version)
With my HD-A1, I can get DVD+R to work every time and DVD-R to work about 50% of the time. DVD+RW works every time as well, though I usually just use those for testing samples of HD video before I convert the entire thing.

As for the firmware, I'd update to the most recent available.

I tried pressing "play" quite a few times. It sort of re-tries but keeps saying "this disc is not DVD format" and won't play it.

I don't think I have any spare DVD+R or DVD+RW discs (although I might have one somewhere) but I'm going to try a DVD-RW disc. If that doesn't work I'll try upgrading the firmware or finding/buying DVD+R/+RW discs.

I tried pressing "play" quite a few times. It sort of re-tries but keeps saying "this disc is not DVD format" and won't play it.
Ah well, it was worth a try.

I don't think I have any spare DVD+R or DVD+RW discs (although I might have one somewhere) but I'm going to try a DVD-RW disc. If that doesn't work I'll try upgrading the firmware or finding/buying DVD+R/+RW discs.
I'd try some DVD+Rs first, just because DVD-RWs are more expensive. Once you find the brand and type that works for your unit, you can start looking in to DL discs. That's pretty much what I did.

I updated the firmware to the latest one and now it's working (even with my DVD-R disc). Thanks for your help :)

thanks Digital Man5 i will read that and try it when i have time thanks again for the help

A Single success with DL +R with many failures afterwards.

Toshiba ep-30 f/w 2.0
Software MF6+ trial (and also DVS 11+ full version)
Burning - Nero 7 premium (I also purchased the BD HD plugin but have no idea what this has done for me)

Source material BBC HD Planet Earth episodes from DVB-S H264 & AC3.
Had to convert the .TS recordings from DVBdream and DVBviewer to mpeg and the only way I have is Nero vision . Sadly it limits the audio options of conversion to mpeg2 stereo and also introduces lipsync issues. It also means re-encoding of the audio stream by ulead (doesnt take long, but increases final file size).
Nonetheless I first tried an old 1280x720p conversion and stuck to the guide (or so I thought) to burn approx 57 mins to DVD+R DL - it failed to play in the tosh but worked in Cyberlink.
After re-reading the guide - I tried once more - and this time used HDpatch to fix the EVO header for 720p as well - the disc worked in the EP-30!!! - wasnt perfect some slow panning shots looked like ntsc/pal conversion (jerks) but it did work.(Nero burn method 1 - xbox compatibility - but no booktype setting, left to auto)

Encouraged by this success I tried some more, however subsequent attempts at transcoding the BBC HD broadcasts (nero vision) to 1440x 1080i have all failed in the ep-30 using DVD+R DL disks.
IF I split the source files in 2 using VRD I can report success on both DVD+RW SL and DVD-R SL.

A point to note, when I tell Nero Vision to trancode the H264 from 1088 to 1080 the resulting mpeg is reported in MPC and HDpatch as being 1088 and I have to patch the stream for ulead compliance. IS it possible I need to patch the EVO as well?? (and if so - How???)

regards,
potnoodles

Burning - Nero 7 premium (I also purchased the BD HD plugin but have no idea what this has done for me)
Sadly, with just Nero 7 it doesn't do anything other than allow for HD DVD playback and Blu-Ray playback of 1.0 only. I'd upgrade to Nero 8 at some point if I were you.

Sadly it limits the audio options of conversion to mpeg2 stereo and also introduces lipsync issues.
There's a multi-channel encoder plugin for Nero 7 that will allow you to encode and decode Dolby Digital 5.1(it also comes with Nero 8 Ultra).

Thanks for the info Digital,

Nero 8 will probably happen on my system anyway, but I will also look into alternative software (re)encoders as well.

I will also try to demux the streams and see what (if anything) the new VS 11.5 plus upgrade can do with them.

regards,
potnoodles

Thanks for the info Digital,

Nero 8 will probably happen on my system anyway, but I will also look into alternative software (re)encoders as well.

I will also try to demux the streams and see what (if anything) the new VS 11.5 plus upgrade can do with them.

regards,
potnoodles

Be aware that with NERO, AVC minimum encode rate may be higher than a Broadcast MPEG 2 stream leaving fewer minutes of video on your disc. There is no good reason for this and Nero has no current plans to fix the problem.

Nero will in fact create a functional 3x DVDs with working menus but the encoding problem means that you will not be able to burn movie length videos.

This is where I gave up and became a passive reader of this thread. I still check it to see if anyone has come up with a reasonable way to give my A3 a new lease on life.

Please let me know if I am in the wrong forum. I recently purchased full nero 8 plus the HD pack mainly to make mini hddvds from firewire captures, and other sources. I have the xbox 360 and hd drive as well as a Toshiba standalone ( I forget the model, it is the 1080i one) I bought it after the news of hddvd being discontinued for $35 with 300 and Bourne Identity!. I also want to make mini hddvds of my HD dvds but I am having trouble with audio quality (clicks/static) and audio sync. I am demuxing the evo, using eac3to to conver to ac3, then adding that audio track back in to the minidvd project. eac3to seems to have less pop/click/static than ffmpeg. I deally I would like to simply split the 20+ gig evo into 4.3 gig chunks, then make mini hddvd without altering the video/audio/sync. I did a test of the first quarter of Chronicles of Riddick, and nero set to mpeg4 15000 bitrate. Picture was beautiful! ac3 audio had surround, slightly annoying clicks, decent sync that seemed to get worse after the 32 minutes passed.

I have read MANY forums and posts, and the more I read the more I forget, not learn... I'm starting to get frustrated, and the $88 for Nero+HD is starting to annoy me. (Upgrade from a valid version 7 license)

I make HD DVD's all the time on regular DVDs from firewire captures.

1. I take my mpeg 2 file and run it through Videoredo...edit..snip out commercials...save to a Mpeg-2 PS.

2. Take Movie Factory 6+...create a menu...add my file....burn HDDVD folders.

3. Take the folders and burn them to a DVD using NERO Burning Rom.

Bingo...perfect disks. No transcoding...perfect 5.1 sound...no sync issues...no glitches at all.

I use a cheapie LG recorder to burn to DVD+R DL disks...a complete edited one hour program.

It is that easy...and that simple.

Be aware that with NERO, AVC minimum encode rate may be higher than a Broadcast MPEG 2 stream leaving fewer minutes of video on your disc. There is no good reason for this and Nero has no current plans to fix the problem.

Nero will in fact create a functional 3x DVDs with working menus but the encoding problem means that you will not be able to burn movie length videos.

This is where I gave up and became a passive reader of this thread. I still check it to see if anyone has come up with a reasonable way to give my A3 a new lease on life.

Dangerdoc1 I am trying to convert DVB-S BBC HD H264 to compliant MPEG2 to play in the EP-30.

Had a try with Elecard Converter Studio AVC HD Edition (Trial version 15000 frames) . This allows re-encoding the BBC HD H264 stream
to compliant MPEG2 1440x1080i using one of the built built in profiles for HDV.
(customisable)
It also allows changing the audio encode to stream copy. (the original BBC ac3 stream copy is compliant with VS11.5plus and the Toshiba EP-30 player).
I havent as yet tried multiple audio tracks (BBC stream includes 48Khz mpeg2 narrative stream)
I did try stream copy for the video as well but VS11+ choked on that.
I havent tried AVC re-encoding - will try later.
Cost to buy $75 (or around £40 i think - same as Nero upgrade for me)

My current version of Nero vision produces mpeg2 which needs to be 'patched' from 1088 and the resulting audio needs re-encoding in the ulead app.

So the elecard app does what I want Nero vision to do (re-code the vid stream and be compliant, - just copy the ac3 stream).
Resulting MPEG gets authored to hd dvd without any re-encoding and it plays in the EP-30.

Dangerdoc1 I am trying to convert DVB-S BBC HD H264 to compliant MPEG2 to play in the EP-30.

Had a try with Elecard Converter Studio AVC HD Edition (Trial version 15000 frames) . This allows re-encoding the BBC HD H264 stream
to compliant MPEG2 1440x1080i using one of the built built in profiles for HDV.
(customisable)
It also allows changing the audio encode to stream copy. (the original BBC ac3 stream copy is compliant with VS11.5plus and the Toshiba EP-30 player).
I havent as yet tried multiple audio tracks (BBC stream includes 48Khz mpeg2 narrative stream)
I did try stream copy for the video as well but VS11+ choked on that.
I havent tried AVC re-encoding - will try later.
Cost to buy $75 (or around £40 i think - same as Nero upgrade for me)

My current version of Nero vision produces mpeg2 which needs to be 'patched' from 1088 and the resulting audio needs re-encoding in the ulead app.

So the elecard app does what I want Nero vision to do (re-code the vid stream and be compliant, - just copy the ac3 stream).
Resulting MPEG gets authored to hd dvd without any re-encoding and it plays in the EP-30.


I have no problems making mpeg2 HD DVD with Nero. My problem is that when I convert the files to make mpeg 4 HD DVDs, the files are larger, the exact opposite of what I am trying to do.

I wanted to fit 2 hour programs onto one disc. I just use a media server now and back up to DVD data discs.

i have found when using a comliant HDV mpeg 2 file ( 1440x1080i - 25mpbs ) that MF5 does not re-encode but when i use the same file VS11 does want to reencode ! any thoughts ??

I have no problems making mpeg2 HD DVD with Nero. My problem is that when I convert the files to make mpeg 4 HD DVDs, the files are larger, the exact opposite of what I am trying to do.

mpeg 4 HD DVD??
I have no knowledge of this - does it require Nero 8(+br hd plug in) - (it is downloading as I type)
Can you provide a workflow or more detail of the process ?

I wanted to fit 2 hour programs onto one disc. I just use a media server now and back up to DVD data discs.

I also use a media player - the Rapsody N35 - but this is not able to handle H264 files. It will play HD Mpeg 2 though. I am waiting to upgrade this until there is a clear winner amongst the H264 players available.

Ive discovered a flaw with the Elecard software. It takes ages to open files on my external HDD (where most of them are archived to) only files on the internal drive will open quickly. I am currently testing the software with a file that Nero Vision cannot successsfully convert (perhaps due to flaws in the original broadcast stream) will post results.

Regards,
potnoodles

i have found when using a comliant HDV mpeg 2 file ( 1440x1080i - 25mpbs ) that MF5 does not re-encode but when i use the same file VS11 does want to reencode ! any thoughts ??

VS11 - Are you perhaps opening the file in the VS video editor which is set to be normal DVD project? For HD DVD I always select the file only after I have create disc window open.

Open VS
Click Share
Click Create Disk
Select HD DVD from the dropdown options that appear
Add Media
Browse to select your file

I have had no re-encoding of compliant files using VS11.5 plus using this method. (IF you have VS11plus the 11.5plus is a free upgrade - doesnt apply to VS11)

regards,
potnoodles

mpeg 4 HD DVD??
I have no knowledge of this - does it require Nero 8(+br hd plug in) - (it is downloading as I type)
Can you provide a workflow or more detail of the process ?



Regards,
potnoodles


You do need to down load the plug in. I wouldn't spend the money if I were you. Minumum bit rate for AVC disc (mgeg 4) is 15 mb/s. They have no plans for correcting this flaw. It is really rediculous because because you should be able to burn at half this rate and have a decent picture.

Most of my HD material is ATSC capture and it plays just fine on my media player. My original plan was to put my shows onto 3x HD DVD discs and play them on my player. I thought I could get up to two hours of HD and about 8 hours of SD on a disc. That was my primary reason for buying a player. Over all, my plan didn't work out so well.

You do need to down load the plug in. I wouldn't spend the money if I were you. Minumum bit rate for AVC disc (mgeg 4) is 15 mb/s. They have no plans for correcting this flaw. It is really rediculous because because you should be able to burn at half this rate and have a decent picture.

Most of my HD material is ATSC capture and it plays just fine on my media player. My original plan was to put my shows onto 3x HD DVD discs and play them on my player. I thought I could get up to two hours of HD and about 8 hours of SD on a disc. That was my primary reason for buying a player. Over all, my plan didn't work out so well.

thanks dangerdoc1

just getting used to nero 8 for now - no xbox compatibility mode for UDF but find UDF 2.50 (physical partition) now works in my EP-30 player with SL DVD-rom and DVD+RW using nero 8 (why did it not work in nero 7)

I always thought the prob was this player - seemingly not so

back on the Elecard software - it succeeded where Nero Vision 4 failed in converting a H264 recording

regards,
potnoodles

My first success with DVD+R DL was seeming to be a complete fluke.
Many subsequent +R DL attempts followig the advice for other players were fruitless in the EP-30 (toshiba firmware 2.0).

I returned to the original successful disc and did a simple disk copy in Nero 8.
The Copy played in the EP-30.

Inspection of the disc properties showed the booktype as DVD-ROM and UDF 1.02 - (the original disc was burned with xbox compatibility in Nero 7).

Using Nero8 (which doesnt have the xbox setting) and the settings listed below I have finally been successful producing 1080i dual layer +Rs for the EP-30.

BookType set to DVD-ROM
Select UDF Disc
Manually set UDF 2.50 with Physical Partition

Its possible new firmware will change this - but new firmware is looking unlikely in the circumstances.
I Hope this is useful for other EP-30 owners.

NOTE: these settings for burning for the EP-30 only - conflicts with advice for other players.


regards,
potnoodles

thanks dangerdoc1

just getting used to nero 8 for now - no xbox compatibility mode for UDF but find UDF 2.50 (physical partition) now works in my EP-30 player with SL DVD-rom and DVD+RW using nero 8 (why did it not work in nero 7)

Xbox Compatibility Mode is only available if you A) Have the HD DVD plugin and B) set the disc type to be non-multisession.

Xbox Compatibility Mode is only available if you A) Have the HD DVD plugin and B) set the disc type to be non-multisession.

Well that is odd - since I do have the plug in - And multisession tab is always set to "no multi-session" (required to burn compatible HD DVD disc).
We are both talking about Nero 8 yes??

regards,
potnoodles

Well that is odd - since I do have the plug in - And multisession tab is always set to "no multi-session" (required to burn compatible HD DVD disc).
We are both talking about Nero 8 yes??

regards,
potnoodles

Well, Well - it is there - must have been choosing UDF before setting multisession (having a Homer moment!!!)

thanks digital,

But now I am successful with UDF2.50 should I revert to xbox compat ??
More testing I suppose.

Well after reading until my eyes turned red. I have successfully put a MKV on a DVD+DL and it played great on my SD300 Sony Blu-Ray DVD player.

No encodeing involved.

None of the credit goes to me. I found this information on http://www.videohelp.com

Here is the link to the article. Now only if he/she has a guide to do the same with HD-DVD.

http://www.itheater.info/jointops/guides/bd/

Enjoy

If anyone has any idea or thoughts post them here.

I decided to finally give movie factory 6plus a try. I had used MF5 and Nero 6 a few times to burn short Proshow 1080i videos I had put together in the past without a hitch (thanks to this guide).

This time I ran into some issues with MF6+ and my XA1 player on 2.4 firmware.

I discovered that while the disc I burnt with menus would play fine, the disc I burnt w/o menus wouldn't. I would get the "hdmi error 1". So I went back to 2.0 firmware, in which case my homemade HDdvds w/o menus would play fine. HOWever I really noticed the decrease in bass on all disc, but especially the LFE on Happy Feet and Polar Express.

Another thing I noticed, is on a disc of trailers I had downloaded and burned to disc, is that two of them, the wmv files, (the divx avi files did great) had stuttering and loss of sound on firmware 2.2 and 2.4, but they would play fine on 2.0 firmware. So now I'm torn on whether I want increased compatibility with my homemade disc, or Bass. :(

Another problem I had, was with one long compilation I put together that I tried to burn on a DVD+R DL disc. I didn't want MF6 to burn it since I wanted to set the booktype, so I used Nero 6 as directed in the guide. When I tried to drop the HDTV folder produced with MF6 into Nero, it came up with some error message saying I needed to chose some other than DVD-video because a file was too large to be used with that UDF file system, or something to that nature. I tried burning it anyway.. when I put the disc into the XA1, the player said it was a CD and showed me the 3 folders on the screen. So... what should I do next time I have a large file and want to burn onto DVD+R DL and set the booktype? Is there a work around for that with Nero 6? Or do I need to breakdown and upgrade to Nero 7 or 8? There isn't a setting in MF6+ for booktype, is there?

Anyway, the small projects burnt with MF6+ onto DVD-R did fine the new pop up menu in the HD power pack was kinda neat.

Another problem I had, was with one long compilation I put together that I tried to burn on a DVD+R DL disc. I didn't want MF6 to burn it since I wanted to set the booktype, so I used Nero 6 as directed in the guide. When I tried to drop the HDTV folder produced with MF6 into Nero, it came up with some error message saying I needed to chose some other than DVD-video because a file was too large to be used with that UDF file system, or something to that nature. I tried burning it anyway.. when I put the disc into the XA1, the player said it was a CD and showed me the 3 folders on the screen. So... what should I do next time I have a large file and want to burn onto DVD+R DL and set the booktype? Is there a work around for that with Nero 6? Or do I need to breakdown and upgrade to Nero 7 or 8? There isn't a setting in MF6+ for booktype, is there?


You say that nero is saying to choose "some other than DVD-video". That leads me to think you're picking the wrong compilation type in Nero. You need to be picking "DVD (UDF)" and turning on X-Box Compatability mode.

Well,,, in the guide, it says, for nero 6, to:
"c. In the left column, select DVD Video and click “New.”"

I do see under Nero 7 the method you describe... and it looks like i could do that under Nero 6 also.. I'll give it a try.

Well after reading until my eyes turned red. I have successfully put a MKV on a DVD+DL and it played great on my SD300 Sony Blu-Ray DVD player.

No encodeing involved.

None of the credit goes to me. I found this information on http://www.videohelp.com

Here is the link to the article. Now only if he/she has a guide to do the same with HD-DVD.

http://www.itheater.info/jointops/guides/bd/

Enjoy

If anyone has any idea or thoughts post them here.

It should be easy - HD-DVD supports AVC/H.264, so you'd think it would be a matter of burning it in the correct structure.

I think the current stopping point is the "minimum bitrate" being enforced by the authoring software. :(

It should be easy - HD-DVD supports AVC/H.264, so you'd think it would be a matter of burning it in the correct structure.

I think the current stopping point is the "minimum bitrate" being enforced by the authoring software. :(

This gets discussed a lot - I wish someone would do a workflow of how to go about it - software and steps involved.

I for one would be happy just to discover how to get HD AVC/H.264 on a working DVD disc of any type. No matter what bitrate restrictions there are !!

Regards,
potnoodles

This gets discussed a lot - I wish someone would do a workflow of how to go about it - software and steps involved.

I for one would be happy just to discover how to get HD AVC/H.264 on a working DVD disc of any type. No matter what bitrate restrictions there are !!

Regards,
potnoodles

Well, here's a rather epic post at the Doom9 forum that seems to detail the creation of 3xDVD (HD media for HD-DVD player on standard DVD5/DVD9):
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128409

No pictures yet or step-by-step. :(

Well after reading until my eyes turned red. I have successfully put a MKV on a DVD+DL and it played great on my SD300 Sony Blu-Ray DVD player.

No encodeing involved.

None of the credit goes to me. I found this information on http://www.videohelp.com

Here is the link to the article. Now only if he/she has a guide to do the same with HD-DVD.

http://www.itheater.info/jointops/guides/bd/

Enjoy

If anyone has any idea or thoughts post them here.

Couple questions:

What was the AVC level of the source file?

Was the source exactly compliant with 720p or 1080p resolution?

If not, did the listed hex-edit let you pass it off as such, and did you end up with green bars or a skewed image?

Any audio problems - lagged or skewed?

Can you seek forward and reverse?

Well, here's a rather epic post at the Doom9 forum that seems to detail the creation of 3xDVD (HD media for HD-DVD player on standard DVD5/DVD9):
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128409

No pictures yet or step-by-step. :(

I'm afraid that option requires scenarist - too expensive an option for most.

Too bad there is not some software out there to do this in one/two steps. Whew lot of work to put in.

I'm using Nero 8 with the HD-DVD plugin to burn HDV films editing Vegas Pro (final file is a m2t MPEG2). Everything works fine until the transcoding is finished and then I get an error message that says "media not supported". I'm using Dynex DVD+R's. I even tried the autosettings to no avail. Also, when I go into my recording options it simply says media not supported and no option to change booktype or anything else.

I'm afraid that option requires scenarist - too expensive an option for most.

Oh. Well, bugger that.

I'm pretty sure there's a free - albiet less friendly - equivalent. Back in the days when DivX/Xvid were the new hotness, I remember you could do anything with VirtualDub, Gordian Knot, and other mishmashes of freeware.

It really does seem easier to create BD-9 or AVCHD compliant discs though, as shown by the link above to the "easy, picture-filled" process. Having to worry about H.264 encoding levels is a pain though.

Oh. Well, bugger that.

I'm pretty sure there's a free - albiet less friendly - equivalent. Back in the days when DivX/Xvid were the new hotness, I remember you could do anything with VirtualDub, Gordian Knot, and other mishmashes of freeware.

It really does seem easier to create BD-9 or AVCHD compliant discs though, as shown by the link above to the "easy, picture-filled" process. Having to worry about H.264 encoding levels is a pain though.

Yes, it is only a matter of time - no incentive in developing commecial HD DVD software any longer. I am on the verge of deciding on a BR player (the PS3 is tempting) but will hold off until things area bit clearer on that front.

regards

I'm using Nero 8 with the HD-DVD plugin to burn HDV films editing Vegas Pro (final file is a m2t MPEG2). Everything works fine until the transcoding is finished and then I get an error message that says "media not supported". I'm using Dynex DVD+R's. I even tried the autosettings to no avail. Also, when I go into my recording options it simply says media not supported and no option to change booktype or anything else.

I never burn any HD projects directly to disc - always to a hard drive folder - I then use Nero Burning ROM to set booktype and UDF options etc.

regards
potnoodles

I'm using Nero 8 with the HD-DVD plugin to burn HDV films editing Vegas Pro (final file is a m2t MPEG2). Everything works fine until the transcoding is finished and then I get an error message that says "media not supported". I'm using Dynex DVD+R's. I even tried the autosettings to no avail. Also, when I go into my recording options it simply says media not supported and no option to change booktype or anything else.


If you try to burn directly to disc, it will only allow you to use -R discs, why, I don't know, probably the same reason it won't allow you to set AVC below 15 mb/s.

I'm so frustrated with Nero!!!!

I've emailed them, no changes to HD DVD support in the future, what they put out is it.

It's a total loss as far as I'm concerned.

The main reason I bought a HD DVD player and Nero was to make my own 3x DVDs. Both sit unused now. I ended up spending another $300 on another product to fill this purpose.

Yes, it is only a matter of time - no incentive in developing commecial HD DVD software any longer. I am on the verge of deciding on a BR player (the PS3 is tempting) but will hold off until things area bit clearer on that front.

regards

Judging by the inability of the PS3 to play anything higher than AVC Level 4.1 and the fact that it craps itself on B-pyramids, it might not be the optimal choice.

Though they could include it in the next firmware update - it is getting DTS-MA so I suppose it's not impossible.

Unfortunately due to time constraints I don't have time to mess around with most of the manual time consuming encoding/authoring methods available.

I was wondering if it's likely in the future that I'll be able to author feature length 720P H.264 DVD9 HD-DVD's with little fuss much like the Blu-Ray guide powerplyer posted?

Unfortunately due to time constraints I don't have time to mess around with most of the manual time consuming encoding/authoring methods available.

I was wondering if it's likely in the future that I'll be able to author feature length 720P H.264 DVD9 HD-DVD's with little fuss much like the Blu-Ray guide powerplyer posted?

I've been following the thread but I gave up a few months ago. Blu-ray does not have a 3x DVD equivalent in their specs so there is no quarantee that you will be able to ever author discs on DVD and expect them to play on any player.

HD DVD has the spec included but I don't ever expect to see any software support. I finally gave up and bought a media player. If you buy the right player, you can either stream the file to the player or upload it to an internal HD in the player.

EDITED, half asleep when posting.

...
I finally gave up and bought a media player. If you buy the right player, you can either stream the file to the player or upload it to an internal DVD player.
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This seems like a much more prudent course of action seeing what's happening to HD DVD players. Who knows what'll happen Blu-Ray players in a few years time. My media player currently is a PC, but I hope to move to something a little more "consumer electronics" soon - I'm the only one in the house who can use it.

My media player currently is a PC, but I hope to move to something a little more "consumer electronics" soon - I'm the only one in the house who can use it.


That's funny, I bought a DVD recorder with hard drive last year. Other than my 6 year old son, I am now the only one in the house that can figure out how to play a DVD.

I finally got Nero to burn flawlessly with Dynex DVD-R's. My HDV footage is good with some artifacting at MPEG 4 15mps. MPEG2 at 25mbps stutters on my 360 add-on in scenes with a lot motion. At MPEG2 at 23mbps it's near perfect. A 50 pack of Dynex DVD-R's at Best Buy was only $8 so it was worth it. I'll be happy with 3x DVD until Bluray authoring becomes more feasible and cheaper. As it stands now my mother and my in-laws all have HD-DVD players so 3x is a great solution for family videos.

I have finnaly gotten some X264 mp4 encodes made from some of my high quality mpeg2 recordings to a play on my HD-A30 burned on DVD+R DL. I used the expensive authoring program that a friend had, not easy to learn. I have had no problem making HD-DVD on DVD+R from mpeg2 files using the guide in this thread with DVD Movie Factory and Nero 7, but never mpeg4 files. The X264 HD-DVD disk played fine and looked very good with a bit rate of around 9 mbps using a HD-DVD profile in MEGui.

I have gotten a PS3 for Blu-Ray and I find I can easily make AVCHD disks on DVD+R+DL using mpeg2 or mp4 files. With the Blu-Ray folders made by TSmuxer (free) they will play without any re-encoding and it takes about 5-10 minutes to make the Blu-Ray folders and then burn with Nero 7 in UDF 2.5. Even my R5000 mp4 recordings from Dish play great on the PS3 using TSmuxer from Doom9 forum without any re-encoding.

I will probably do a few more X264 HD-DVD disks just to prove I can do it, but the PS3 is much easier to do with free software and looks just as good. These AVCHD disks have been reported to also play in some of the stand-alone Blu-Ray players.

Now for a Quad core to speed up those 20 hour X264 encodes.

Mike T

I have finnaly gotten some X264 mp4 encodes made from some of my high quality mpeg2 recordings to a play on my HD-A30 burned on DVD+R DL.
Any special settings in Nero when burning? I have a lot of Mp4 content I've archived to DVD as DVD-ROM (UDF). I'd like to give it a try on my HD-A2 too.

Now for a Quad core to speed up those 20 hour X264 encodes.
I have the Phenom 9500 quad core, your 20hr encodes will drop to 10hrs with the quad core. As a matter of fact, I now process two encodes simultaneously with the quad- which is something I could never do with my dual core Athlon 4800+. The Phenom loves to transcode- it never even rises above the case temps even when transcoding for 10-12 hrs :D

Any special settings in Nero when burning? I have a lot of Mp4 content I've archived to DVD as DVD-ROM (UDF). I'd like to give it a try on my HD-A2 too.

I use the Nero settings described on the first page of this thread, UDF, XBox Compatability mode and Book type set to Physical Disk for the DVD+ disks I use.

You have to author the mp4 in order to play on a player. I think that Nero can do the authoring for mp4, but it will re-encode the file at a higher bit rate which you cannot change. The only way I have found to author my own mp4 files is using a friends copy of Scenarist SCA, which is VERY expensive.

I have the Phenom 9500 quad core, your 20hr encodes will drop to 10hrs with the quad core. As a matter of fact, I now process two encodes simultaneously with the quad- which is something I could never do with my dual core Athlon 4800+. The Phenom loves to transcode- it never even rises above the case temps even when transcoding for 10-12 hrs :D

The 20 hour encode was a 19 GB mpeg2 file encoded with X264 using MEGui and a HD-DVD profile. I use a Core2Duo overclocked to 3.2 GHz with 800 MHz memory running at 975 MHz.

What encoder did you use for your mp4 files?

Mike T

The 20 hour encode was a 19 GB mpeg2 file encoded with X264 using MEGui and a HD-DVD profile. I use a Core2Duo overclocked to 3.2 GHz with 800 MHz memory running at 975 MHz.
What encoder did you use for your mp4 files?
Mike T
I use MEGiu as well, with my own HD profile that I derived from a very useful thread on AVS... which I can't seem to locate now :mad:
I can send you my saved HD MEGui profiles if you'd like to give em a try.



Edit: here's the thread I referenced above with very useful H.264 profiles- http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=972503

I make HD DVD's all the time on regular DVDs from firewire captures.

1. I take my mpeg 2 file and run it through Videoredo...edit..snip out commercials...save to a Mpeg-2 PS.

2. Take Movie Factory 6+...create a menu...add my file....burn HDDVD folders.

3. Take the folders and burn them to a DVD using NERO Burning Rom.

Bingo...perfect disks. No transcoding...perfect 5.1 sound...no sync issues...no glitches at all.

I use a cheapie LG recorder to burn to DVD+R DL disks...a complete edited one hour program.

It is that easy...and that simple.

Movie Factory 6+ burns HD-DVD really well. Just burn it and skip the last step.

Hey, does anybody know how to get Nero 8 (with the HD-DVD plugin) to author 720p without re-encoding content similar to Movie Factory? The 720p HDpatch technique doesn't work and I really don't want to shell out any more money for software at this point. 1080i works flawlessly. Thanks

I'm reading through this long thread, and am a bit lost. Can someone give me a simple pointer or two for making my own copy of Elephant's Dream. I found a link for the files here:

http://www.w6rz.net/

It lists the method to combine them into a single TS file, roughly 2.5GB. Where do I need to go from there?

Thanks in advance for helping a noob.

I'm reading through this long thread, and am a bit lost. Can someone give me a simple pointer or two for making my own copy of Elephant's Dream. I found a link for the files here:
http://www.w6rz.net/
It lists the method to combine them into a single TS file, roughly 2.5GB. Where do I need to go from there?
Thanks in advance for helping a noob.
Once you have a single .ts file, open it in VideoRedo and save it as a .mpg file. Once that's done, follow the instructions on the first page of this post "2. Convert the MPEG2 transport stream file (usually with a .ts, .tp or .m2t file extension) to MPEG2 program stream (with an .mpg extension) with VideoRedo:". http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8105904&postcount=1

As replayrob says, you can use VideoRedo to convert the single .TS file to a MPEG2 file. You may also be able to use the freeware program HDTV2MPG to convert the .TS file to a MPG2 file. HDTV2MPG does not fix any time gaps in the data stream from editing out anything (like commercials), but that should not be a problem with Elephant's Dream.

After you have a MPG2 file you need to use Ulead to make the HD-DVD folders on your hard drive. Then use the freeware program ISOBURN or Nero (6,7, or 8 I think all work) to burn the HD-DVD folder onto a regular DVD.

Good luck.

Is there a process to get from an R5000's H.264 ts to a 3xDVD that will play on a HD DVD player?

Hey guys, I've got some questions.

If I want to cap movies and burn them onto dual layer DVD's so I can play them with my HD-A2, what exactly will I need? If I encode them at 720p (the max resolution my TV will display) and basic audio (I've got a very basic surround sound setup, 5.1, I'm not an audiophile), how long of a video can I put on a dual layer DVD?

I've got OTA, QAM, and I will shortly have Dish Network. Am I able to cap all three of those? Is Dish network scrambled in some way that would prevent me from capping it?
What software is best for this? What capture card is best on a budget?

I want to be able to cap movies and programs and burn 'em at 720p, with a movie on a single DVD9 if at all possible.

Thanks for your help!

Is there a process to get from an R5000's H.264 ts to a 3xDVD that will play on a HD DVD player?

I have made hundreds of mpeg2 HD-DVD's using the info at the beginning of this thread. I have searched all over trying to find out how to make H-264 HD-DVD's and the only way that I have found is to encode the video file in X-264 using HD-DVD profiles and then authoring with Scenarist SCA. The H264 files from Dish are not compatible with HD-DVD format and need to be re-encoded with the correct HD-DVD profile. I took a 18 GB mpeg2 file and encoded with MEGui using HD-DVD profiles, took about 18 hours then went to a friend that had the correct software and after several hours of struggling I got an HD-DVD with H264 and it played fine in my A2 and A30 Hd-DVD player. Don't plan on doing this again, to much trouble.

By FAR the easiest way is to make a AVCHD that will play on the PS3 and some standalone Blu-Ray players. The Dish H264 files are compatible without re-encoding. Just take the Dish recording and run through the free program tsMuxeR (Doom9 forum) and in about 5-10 minutes you have a Blu-Ray folder that will burn on a DVD or DVD-DL and will autoplay just fine in the PS3 with chapters.

Mike T

I have made hundreds of mpeg2 HD-DVD's using the info at the beginning of this thread. I have searched all over trying to find out how to make H-264 HD-DVD's and the only way that I have found is to encode the video file in X-264 using HD-DVD profiles and then authoring with Scenarist SCA. The H264 files from Dish are not compatible with HD-DVD format and need to be re-encoded with the correct HD-DVD profile. I took a 18 GB mpeg2 file and encoded with MEGui using HD-DVD profiles, took about 18 hours then went to a friend that had the correct software and after several hours of struggling I got an HD-DVD with H264 and it played fine in my A2 and A30 Hd-DVD player. Don't plan on doing this again, to much trouble.

By FAR the easiest way is to make a AVCHD that will play on the PS3 and some standalone Blu-Ray players. The Dish H264 files are compatible without re-encoding. Just take the Dish recording and run through the free program tsMuxeR (Doom9 forum) and in about 5-10 minutes you have a Blu-Ray folder that will burn on a DVD or DVD-DL and will autoplay just fine in the PS3 with chapters.

Mike T

Hey, Mike, which disc format do you use for these discs - UDF?

Hey, Mike, which disc format do you use for these discs - UDF?

I don't know which disks you mean, HD-DVD or the AVCHD for blue Ray?

I use UDF for both, but different settings for each.

Mike T

I don't know which disks you mean, HD-DVD or the AVCHD for blue Ray?

I use UDF for both, but different settings for each.

Mike T

I meant for Blu-ray. I tried this last night and it worked well on a DVD+R DL disc with an MPEG4 of "Cars" from Dish Network. It played fine on the PS3.

I have searched this thread but have not found if you can also do this with a mac and if there is free softwear to author HD or Blu ray to SD dvds.

Athanasios

I meant for Blu-ray. I tried this last night and it worked well on a DVD+R DL disc with an MPEG4 of "Cars" from Dish Network. It played fine on the PS3.

If you use tsMuxeR to make the BD folders, then I use Nero choosing UDF and then selecting UDF 2.5 from the manual UDF settings, then drag both folders and burn at a slower speed than MAX. For 16x disks I choose 8X and for 8X DL disks I choose 4X for 2.4X just use that speed. I use DVD+ as they are usually all the DL I can find on sale.

Mike T

I have searched this thread but have not found if you can also do this with a mac and if there is free softwear to author HD or Blu ray to SD dvds.

Athanasioshttp://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13416545&postcount=1

If you use tsMuxeR to make the BD folders, then I use Nero choosing UDF and then selecting UDF 2.5 from the manual UDF settings, then drag both folders and burn at a slower speed than MAX. For 16x disks I choose 8X and for 8X DL disks I choose 4X for 2.4X just use that speed. I use DVD+ as they are usually all the DL I can find on sale.

Mike T

Thanks. The disc of Cars I burned last night was a 4x DVD+R DL, but it burned at 2.4x for some reason. I was just happy it played so well. I watched major sections of the film and no sign of skipping. How about regular Blu-ray set top players - are they compatible with the discs? Does this work with MPEG2 streams or just AVCHD?

I have tons of HD DVD's created with the info from this thread, but the Blu-ray process is easier.

Thanks. The disc of Cars I burned last night was a 4x DVD+R DL, but it burned at 2.4x for some reason. I was just happy it played so well. I watched major sections of the film and no sign of skipping. How about regular Blu-ray set top players - are they compatible with the discs? Does this work with MPEG2 streams or just AVCHD?

I have tons of HD DVD's created with the info from this thread, but the Blu-ray process is easier.

I have not tried any BD players yet, but I read that Sony and some Panasonic will play the disks. I am pretty sure I tried a mpeg2 file and it played fine in the PS3, will try again and check.

Mike T

I just tried an MPEG2 disc of Underworld Evolution and it worked just as well. This afternoon, I'm going to take the discs to a friend who has a Panasonic Blu-ray player.

I read this thread from top to bottom and spent quite a bit of time trying HD DVD authoring. I don't know if this will help anyone but this is what I do for HD DVD authoring.

1. Get Blu-Ray in .AVS source, MPEG-2, MKV or whatever into H264 format with separate sound. (some kind person a few pages back did this on page 85 of this thread)

And then I do this with H264 and the audio file:

2. Load up H264info and select .h264 file as the source. Select an output File name (ie. c:\videos\video1.mpv).
Put a tick in the Remove pulldown box and enter an Output frameRate as 23.976 or 29.97 with 3:2 pulldown
Click on Start

3. If necessary, convert any DTS audio to AC3 with eac3to with libav.

4. Load up tsMuxeR and add in the M2V and AC3 files. Change the fps to 24000/1001.
Select .ts muxing and enter an Output filename (ie. c:\videos\video.ts)
Click on Start muxing

5. Load TSSPlitter and split into two files for DVD-9. If this is a DTS source or the timecodes are bad, use TSRemux and calculate the final running time and divide by 2 for split.

6. Use Nero Vision to convert into AVC/MPEG-4 with Dolby 5.1. (I bought Nero 8 with the HD add-on)

Nero is crippled at 15mbps but I don't mind about the two disc approach. Movies like Ice Age and The Simpsons Movie are rated 90 minutes but I've shaved credits to get it down to low 80s and got them to fit on one DL disc with 15mbps.

I use Philips DVD-R DL to get around the book type stuff for now. DVD +R from Memorex seem to work without any book settings on HD-A35. DVD-R DL work on both HD-A35 and HD-A2 but my HD-A2 with 2.8 firmware needs a little kickstart so I go back one chapter when the disc starts and it seems to be stutter free. Seemingly anything works in the Xbox 360 Add-on. I used to do chapters with Nero but they seem to introduce artifacts into the HD-A35. 360 Add-on does everything.

I know some folks in this thread mention they use Scenarist - I imagine that's how you can get DTS and other fancy audio options as well as lower the bit rate down below 15mbps.

If the source is .ts, like DVR recordings, then I just throw it into Nero Vision. The program does do re-encoding; takes me about 2 1/2 hours per 60 minute block on a Q6600. Nero isn't perfect as evidenced by my re-encoding of I Robot but plenty of my family have HD DVD players as Christmas gifts so I can't imagine re-buying Blu-Ray for them before prices drop.

Hopefully this helps anyone who is interested.

I know my way is very long because of the re-encoding but I leave it to do one 60 minute block at night and one 60 minute block during the day before I go to work. I have very limited knowledge of how the video encoding works (I don't even know why I'm doing step 2, got it from this thread) so slow and steady has been my approach.

I just tried an MPEG2 disc of Underworld Evolution and it worked just as well. This afternoon, I'm going to take the discs to a friend who has a Panasonic Blu-ray player.

Just an FYI...

- TSMuxer (for me) will not work with HDV and DVD5/9 disks and the PS3.
- There is a workaround for HDV using a similar program, TSRemuxer.
- TSRemuxer spoofs the PS3 into seeing an HDV BDMV as AVCHD so that it plays when you insert it, with chapters.
- You have to pass the HDV file through our old friend MF6+, and use that as the source inside the AVCHD wrapper created by TSRemuxer. It's covered in the Blu-ray authoring topic. I can post link if you need it.
- HDV authored to Blu-ray on DVD5/9 media this way works great on the PS3 and a few Blu-ray standalones, but doesn't work on the majority of them, Panasonic, Pioneer etc.

Just an FYI...

- TSMuxer (for me) will not work with HDV and DVD5/9 disks and the PS3.
- There is a workaround for HDV using a similar program, TSRemuxer.
- TSRemuxer spoofs the PS3 into seeing an HDV BDMV as AVCHD so that it plays when you insert it, with chapters.
- You have to pass the HDV file through our old friend MF6+, and use that as the source inside the AVCHD wrapper created by TSRemuxer. It's covered in the Blu-ray authoring topic. I can post link if you need it.
- HDV authored to Blu-ray on DVD5/9 media this way works great on the PS3 and a few Blu-ray standalones, but doesn't work on the majority of them, Panasonic, Pioneer etc.

Thanks, Tom, for the info and I would like the link. I'd like all the info I can get on creating Blu-ray titles (HDV especially) that will work on as many Blu-ray players as possible.

Hey everyone, I have a Canon HV20 HD Camcorder and I'd like to author HD DVD's. I'm probably not going to edit the footage (takes too much time) and I'm interested in attaining the best quality. What software do I need (or which one is better...), Nero 8 with the HD add-on or Corel DVD MovieFactory 6.0 Plus (These 2 seem to be mentioned alot)? Or is there some other software? Additionally, my PC is fairly up to date so processing power should not be an issue (have a "Core 2 Quad" CPU). Thanks!

Thanks, Tom, for the info and I would like the link. I'd like all the info I can get on creating Blu-ray titles (HDV especially) that will work on as many Blu-ray players as possible.

Link to thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12774721#post12774721)

Summary of the updated workflow below:

Basically, what I was able to do was take native MPEG2.ts from an HDV 1440x1080i60 camcorder, put 5.1 AC3 audio on it, author it to BDMV without re-encoding the video, burn it to a DVD5/9 red laser disk, and play it back on the PS3.

The surprise is how perfectly the disk plays. There are no menus, but it does have chapter stops every 1 minute (that work), and it fast forwards/reverses perfectly. There's no stutter, and the 5.1 audio is in sync.

The workflow is a bit of a kludge, but I think one key to repairing whatever is iffy in the source is having the .m2t pass through Ulead's transcoding.

Here's the entire workflow:

1.) Shoot 1080i60 HDV video with Canon XH-A1 or HV10/HV20 to tape.
2.) Capture from tape playback to .m2t using CapDVHS via IEEE firewire.
3.) Edit with Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD, stream copy to MPEG transport stream with 5.1 audio. (No re-encoding of video).
4.) Author the .m2t to BDMV folders with no chapters, using Ulead MF6+ HD Pack. (smart render project from original file properties)
5.) Using 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder as the source file, author a new BDMV project with chapters using 0.20 TSRemux.
6.) Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux created BDMV/STREAMS folder, and replace it with 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder.
7.) Rename 0000.m2ts as 0001.m2ts
8.) Use Nero to burn the TSRemux BDMV project onto a red laser UDF2.5 DVD, no multi-session, manual settings (instead of Xbox compatibility mode as on HD DVD).

What TSRemux does is place an AVCHD wrapper around the native .m2ts MF6+ file so that it auto-plays when the disk in inserted, with chapters and 5.1 audio. I believe the audio needs to be AC3-5.1, thus the Womble step or equal may be required.

TSRemux needs the Ulead MF6+ step for creating a BD compatible .m2ts file. It's will create its own anyway, (the one you replaced in step 6) but it would have stuttering if you used it. Thus, the kludge.

But it succeeds as being the most compatible red laser BD that will play in all the PS3s and some of the standalone blu-ray players.

Hope that helps everyone.

Excellent, Tom. I just finished a huge HDV project and had issues with AC3 audio, too. Your workflow should help solve some of my problems. Thanks again.

You're welcome Joe. It's unfortunate Blu-ray authoring is such a mess at this stage, compared to the relative ease of HD DVD but such is life.

Link to thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12774721#post12774721)

Summary of the updated workflow below:

Basically, what I was able to do was take native MPEG2.ts from an HDV 1440x1080i60 camcorder, put 5.1 AC3 audio on it, author it to BDMV without re-encoding the video, burn it to a DVD5/9 red laser disk, and play it back on the PS3.

The surprise is how perfectly the disk plays. There are no menus, but it does have chapter stops every 1 minute (that work), and it fast forwards/reverses perfectly. There's no stutter, and the 5.1 audio is in sync.

The workflow is a bit of a kludge, but I think one key to repairing whatever is iffy in the source is having the .m2t pass through Ulead's transcoding.

Here's the entire workflow:

1.) Shoot 1080i60 HDV video with Canon XH-A1 or HV10/HV20 to tape.
2.) Capture from tape playback to .m2t using CapDVHS via IEEE firewire.
3.) Edit with Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD, stream copy to MPEG transport stream with 5.1 audio. (No re-encoding of video).
4.) Author the .m2t to BDMV folders with no chapters, using Ulead MF6+ HD Pack. (smart render project from original file properties)
5.) Using 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder as the source file, author a new BDMV project with chapters using 0.20 TSRemux.
6.) Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux created BDMV/STREAMS folder, and replace it with 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder.
7.) Rename 0000.m2ts as 0001.m2ts
8.) Use Nero to burn the TSRemux BDMV project onto a red laser UDF2.5 DVD, no multi-session, manual settings (instead of Xbox compatibility mode as on HD DVD).

What TSRemux does is place an AVCHD wrapper around the native .m2ts MF6+ file so that it auto-plays when the disk in inserted, with chapters and 5.1 audio. I believe the audio needs to be AC3-5.1, thus the Womble step or equal may be required.

TSRemux needs the Ulead MF6+ step for creating a BD compatible .m2ts file. It's will create its own anyway, (the one you replaced in step 6) but it would have stuttering if you used it. Thus, the kludge.

But it succeeds as being the most compatible red laser BD that will play in all the PS3s and some of the standalone blu-ray players.

Hope that helps everyone.

Nice work. Has anyone been able to play MPEG2 based AVCHD discs in a Panasonic BD10a. AVCHD is written on the box!

You're welcome Joe. It's unfortunate Blu-ray authoring is such a mess at this stage, compared to the relative ease of HD DVD but such is life.

The HD DVD authoring process is sometimes quite problematic, as well, depending on the original video. We all know how that has gone in this thread. I'm just glad there are ways to get things done that work. I won't make any more predictions about how soon things will be ironed out. That's always so much slower than we'd like.

The chaotic state of affairs with authoring (and digital video/audio in general) reminds me a little of the early days of computing. You'd go into a computer store and see Atari, Commodore, IBM, and Apple hardware and software, and nothing worked with anything else. You had to jump through huge hoops just to get basic things done. I know this is a totally different animal, but the technical chaos has a familiar feel to it.

Link to thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12774721#post12774721)

Summary of the updated workflow below:

Basically, what I was able to do was take native MPEG2.ts from an HDV 1440x1080i60 camcorder, put 5.1 AC3 audio on it, author it to BDMV without re-encoding the video, burn it to a DVD5/9 red laser disk, and play it back on the PS3.

The surprise is how perfectly the disk plays. There are no menus, but it does have chapter stops every 1 minute (that work), and it fast forwards/reverses perfectly. There's no stutter, and the 5.1 audio is in sync.

The workflow is a bit of a kludge, but I think one key to repairing whatever is iffy in the source is having the .m2t pass through Ulead's transcoding.

Here's the entire workflow:

1.) Shoot 1080i60 HDV video with Canon XH-A1 or HV10/HV20 to tape.
2.) Capture from tape playback to .m2t using CapDVHS via IEEE firewire.
3.) Edit with Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD, stream copy to MPEG transport stream with 5.1 audio. (No re-encoding of video).
4.) Author the .m2t to BDMV folders with no chapters, using Ulead MF6+ HD Pack. (smart render project from original file properties)
5.) Using 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder as the source file, author a new BDMV project with chapters using 0.20 TSRemux.
6.) Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux created BDMV/STREAMS folder, and replace it with 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder.
7.) Rename 0000.m2ts as 0001.m2ts
8.) Use Nero to burn the TSRemux BDMV project onto a red laser UDF2.5 DVD, no multi-session, manual settings (instead of Xbox compatibility mode as on HD DVD).

What TSRemux does is place an AVCHD wrapper around the native .m2ts MF6+ file so that it auto-plays when the disk in inserted, with chapters and 5.1 audio. I believe the audio needs to be AC3-5.1, thus the Womble step or equal may be required.

TSRemux needs the Ulead MF6+ step for creating a BD compatible .m2ts file. It's will create its own anyway, (the one you replaced in step 6) but it would have stuttering if you used it. Thus, the kludge.

But it succeeds as being the most compatible red laser BD that will play in all the PS3s and some of the standalone blu-ray players.

Hope that helps everyone.





Tom,

With so many hoops to jump through, I have got to the point where I do things this way now.

Import HDV with Ulead 11+
Edit with Ulead
Save as video file
Stream and copy to PS3, or copy to memory stick and transfer to another computer.

You'll need a bigger hard drive in your PS3, or external drives as you are well aware of.

This method is faster for me this way, it doesn't put it on a BD disc, or like all the HD DVD's I've made of my HDV footage, but gets the job done faster.

Can anyone help point me in the right direction to convert some .mkv files. Freeware if possible. I am trying to finish watching a series that got erased when my POS mF'ing HR20 died and erased all my saved shows. I was able to get the clips, but they are in .mkv and I have no way of watching them now except on my PC. Thanks.

After I use VideoRedo to make the mpeg should the size go up a bunch when I use Ulead MF6+. The reason I ask is one of my mpeg is about 6.5 gb but after Ulead did its thing it is like 9.0 gb and wont fit on a single DVD+R DL. I did see that I should be able to fit about 110 minutes on one DVD+R DL. I am sure I did something wrong, but I am not so smart.

Sorry for all the new guy questions that have been answered before I am betting, but I read really slow and my wife gets mad at me when I spend a week reading about something on the web. So if anyone can just shoot a quick reply that would be awesome.

After I use VideoRedo to make the mpeg should the size go up a bunch when I use Ulead MF6+. ...
Creating menus may be the problem. Try to do it without menus. The total file size may increase if MF6 is doing any recoding.

I notice a very small increase (for example 5.3GB to 5.34GB) when I go from a MPEG to a HD DVD.

When I look properties in Ulead it says the file is at ~24 fps. Is this correct for what I am doing?

I did unselect the create menu's tab. Am I maybe missing something in the Videoredo settings or is this a ULead issue?

Thanks for the help so far.

Also make sure your capture didn't end up at 1088x1920 and that MF6 picked that resolution rather then the default 1440x1920 pr whatever it is most hd camcorders use.
HDPatch will tell you what res the MPG you make with videoredo is at and gives you a preset to fix the 1088 problem, the other you need to double check in MF6 before you make the folders or burn to disk and reset it if needed.

... it doesn't put it on a BD disc, or like all the HD DVD's I've made of my HDV footage, but gets the job done faster.

Yes but that only plays on PS3. To have any hope for playback on a BD player besides the PS3, it has to be authored BD.

How long does it take for MF6 to create the new file? If the process is in the 10 minute range, you're doing things properly. If it is taking hours, then go to the first post and follow the instructions.

I've no idea if 24fps is proper. My recorded HDTV material is ~29.97 for 1080i or 59.94 for 720p. 24fps sounds like home video.

So I was semi sucessful at making a complete disc. I put it in my A2 and it says HDDVD and the picture looks great. My A2 is also saying 2Ch instead of multi. It sounds like sound is coming out of my front 3 speakers, but not the rear. Not sure what happend as I thought my file had 5.1 on it. Also the final 1 hr and 10 minute show only filled up about 5.8 gb. Does that sound right?

How long does it take for MF6 to create the new file? If the process is in the 10 minute range, you're doing things properly. If it is taking hours, then go to the first post and follow the instructions.

I've no idea if 24fps is proper. My recorded HDTV material is ~29.97 for 1080i or 59.94 for 720p. 24fps sounds like home video.

I think I am having troubles because it is a 1080p source with the one that says 24 fps. What do I know. I am switching to a 720p file to see if I have luck there.

The one I was semi sucessful is supposed to be a 1080i file.

In order for a 24p file to work, you'll need to add 3:2 pulldown. Assuming it's an mpeg2 (what else would it be?), you need to demux it, use DGPulldown to add pulldown flags, then remux it and load it into MF6. Once you've got all the software, this is a fairly simple and quick process. Thing is, I don't know much about mpeg2 de/remuxers, so you'll have to ask someone else about those. I think something like TsRemux should work, though.

EDIT: By the way, you don't need to worry about losing quality when adding pulldown. It's a lossless procedure, and is completely reversible.

Yes but that only plays on PS3. To have any hope for playback on a BD player besides the PS3, it has to be authored BD.

I hear you Tom.

Just throwing in an additional way for those who might not know.

Anyone know why MPEG2 HDV content taken from a Sony HDR-FX7 then burned to a 3xDVD using Ulead is stuttering on an XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on at 25mbps but working fine when I re-encode at 23mbps?

Yes but that only plays on PS3. To have any hope for playback on a BD player besides the PS3, it has to be authored BD.
So if a stand-alone player says it supports AVCHD it will only support it if the disk has been authored BD?

Edit: I'm asking because the DMP-BD30K states it supports
"DVD-RAM Playback DVD-VR, JPEG, AVCHD(H.264)", and I'm trying to figure out what that means.

OK I'm a bit lost. I downloaded Elephants Dream, ended up with a ~2.5GB .ts file. I have Nero 8, so I used Nero vision, told it to make an HD DVD 15mb/sec bitrate, and it did.... but it went to a file called HDDVD_TS on my hard drive. How do I get that to a DVD? It is full of .evo, .ifo, and .bup files.

I tried going to Nero burning but it only lets me select CD or DVD as a format, not HD DVD (although the instructions say I should be able to, I can not.) Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for helping a newbie out.

OK I'm a bit lost. I downloaded Elephants Dream from w6rz.net, ended up with a ~2.5GB .ts file. I have Nero 8, so I used Nero vision, told it to make an HD DVD 15mb/sec bitrate, and it did.... but it went to a file called HDDVD_TS on my hard drive. How do I get that to a DVD? It is full of .evo, .ifo, and .bup files.

I tried going to Nero burning but it only lets me select CD or DVD as a format, not HD DVD (although the instructions say I should be able to, I can not.) Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for helping a newbie out.

Always read the first post of a thread!

Taken from the first post of this thread :

"4. Burn your HD DVD folder to a DVD recordable using Nero Burning ROM.

Technique 1 - preferred (works with Nero version 7):

(Contributed by pteittinen.)

a. Launch Nero Burning ROM and select "DVD-ROM (UDF)" on the left side of the screen (you may need to scroll down).
b. Under the "Multisession" tab, select the "No Multisession" radio button.
b. Click on the "UDF" tab.
c. In the "Options" pull-down (or the checkbox under "Advanced," depending on your version of Nero), select "Enable Xbox (TM) compatibility mode."
d. Disregard any warnings and continue.
e. Click "New."
f. Drop the HVDVD_TS folder you just created into the root directory of the compilation (column on the far left).
g. Burn the disc by clicking on the Disc/Lit Match icon at the top.

Technique 2 (works with Nero 6 and 7):

a. Start Notepad or any word processor that allows you to create a .txt file. Leave the document blank (don’t type in anything). Select File>Save and save the blank document as text (.txt format) in a handy place on your hard drive – call it VIDEO_TS.VOB (.txt will be added automatically). Open Windows Explorer and find your new text file. Right click on it and go to rename. Delete the .txt from the end. Ignore the Windows warning and click “Yes.” Your file should now appear as VIDEO_TS.VOB. Special note: if you can't see the .txt extension in Windows Explorer, it probably means you have your computer set to hide file extensions. Open Explorer and select from the menu Tools>Folder Options... . Select the "View" tab. Find the box for "Hide extensions for known file types." and deselect it. Click "OK." You should now be able to see the .txt extension.
b. Start Nero Burning ROM and select the Nero Burning ROM application.
c. In the left column, select DVD Video and click “New.”
d. In the right column, select the drive where the new VIDEO_TS.VOB file is located. Drag that file onto (on top of, not above it) the VIDEO_TS folder in the leftmost column. (Make sure it’s in the VIDEO_TS folder, not in the root directory.)
e. Go back to the rightmost column and find the HD DVD folder you created in Ulead Movie Factory 5. Drag that folder into the leftmost column. Make sure NOT to put it into the VIDEO_TS folder. This folder must reside in the root directory.
f. Load in a recordable DVD (single or double layer, depending on the size of your project). Make sure your DVD burner is selected in Nero (click the “Choose a recorder” button).
g. Click the Disc/Lit Match icon to burn the current compilation. Ignore any warning messages the system displays by clicking “OK.”"

So if a stand-alone player says it supports AVCHD it will only support it if the disk has been authored BD?

Edit: I'm asking because the DMP-BD30K states it supports
"DVD-RAM Playback DVD-VR, JPEG, AVCHD(H.264)", and I'm trying to figure out what that means.

Someone asked me if I have a split personality..."Well yes, and no."

I don't know if the BD30 will play h.264 or not. I did not have any luck getting it to play mpeg2 stuffed inside an AVCHD wrapper. H.264 inside an AVCHD wrapper as from a consumer HD camcorder is probably the intended target, but I wouldn't assume anything without trying it. It may be that it only plays AVCHD from BD media. My attempts were with DVD5 media.

But in general, AVCHD *is* a BD format. Authoring it is exactly like BDMV. But if anyone just copies h.264 or mpeg2 onto a data disk expecting it to playback from a standalone player, it's going to be hit or miss, and mostly miss, the PS3 being the major exception.

Tom-
I've been recompressing my MPEG recordings using h.264 with a AVCHD profile. There are two reasons for doing this. One is to cut my storage requirements in half and the other is get the recordings so they'll fit on a DVD.

I have many AVC profile choices in profiles ranging from iPod to HD DVD. There is even a separate AVC profile for creating Blu-Ray containers.

I'll try to get my hands on a BD30 and see if it will play one of my videos when it is written to a DVD-R.

So if a stand-alone player says it supports AVCHD it will only support it if the disk has been authored BD?

Edit: I'm asking because the DMP-BD30K states it supports
"DVD-RAM Playback DVD-VR, JPEG, AVCHD(H.264)", and I'm trying to figure out what that means.

After much reading and some testing of my own here is what i think you can do for authoring HD and Blu-Ray stuff.

I have made hundreds of HD-DVD from mpeg2 with MF6 and they all work fine on DVD+R and DVD+DL using the method on page 1 of this thread. I have taken some of my highest quality mpeg2 recordings and re-encoded to H264 using MEGui (Doom9) and taken to a friend and authored using Scenarist SCA and burned with Nero7 onto DVD+R-DL as described on page 1. The H264 HD-DVD's look great, but about 6+ minutes into the disks they crash my HD-A30 player, if I skip 2 or 3 chapters into the disk and then restart playback from the beginning the disk plays great without error.

For Blu-Ray playback my understanding that if you want to play files from a DVD disk that it has to be authored as an AVCHD. If you author to a full BD structure you have to burn on a BD disk. I have read that the AVCHD disks will play on the PS3 (I have one) and on Sony, and some Panasonic and Samsung players. I have made AVCHD using tsMuxeR (Doom9) and burned with Nero7 (UDF 2.5) onto DVD+DL and they play great in my PS3. I took an H264 encode to a friend and authored using Scenarist-BD to a BD folder structure and burned the same as AVCHD onto a DVD+DL and the PS3 did not see the disk and would not play. I have not tried this disk in any other players yet but I don't expect it to work. I think the AVCHD was created so you can author BD files and burn them on DVD disks and play in a BD player that supports AVCHD, but if you author to standard BD file you have to burn onto a BD blank.

AVCHD is much easier to make and the software to do it is FREE.

Mike T

The H264 HD-DVD's look great, but about 6+ minutes into the disks they crash my HD-A30 player, if I skip 2 or 3 chapters into the disk and then restart playback from the beginning the disk plays great without error.

I have this same problem with ALL of the MPEG2 HD-DVD's that I have made. It happens on all of my players too (A-2, A-20 & A-30). I found that pressing the Title button, then selecting the last chapter (with down arrow), then stopping & restarting the disc always fixes this problem. Next time I will try just jumping ahead 2-3 chapters then restart (easier - less buttons to push).

...
I have taken some of my highest quality mpeg2 recordings and re-encoded to H264 using MEGui (Doom9) and taken to a friend and authored using Scenarist SCA and burned with Nero7 onto DVD+R-DL as described on page 1.
...

Mike -
When you burn these Scenarist SCA authored disks, do you get HD DVD structured disks (EVO and supportingfiles) or just a series MP4 files?

Mike -
When you burn these Scenarist SCA authored disks, do you get HD DVD structured disks (EVO and supportingfiles) or just a series MP4 files?

They have the full HD-DVD folder with set with chapters and auto play in my A2 and A30, just sometimes crash the player if I don't skip chapters. The A2 seems to crash less than the A30, hope firmware update my help this. Scenarist is the only way I have found to use H264 encodes to make playable HD-DVD's except for the crippled Nero encoder.

I have never had any problems with mpeg2 files and MF6 crashing the player, just the N264.

Mike T

Can anyone provide any insight to my post #2884? I am quite sure it is a 5.1ch recording.

So I was semi sucessful at making a complete disc. I put it in my A2 and it says HDDVD and the picture looks great. My A2 is also saying 2Ch instead of multi. It sounds like sound is coming out of my front 3 speakers, but not the rear. Not sure what happend as I thought my file had 5.1 on it. Also the final 1 hr and 10 minute show only filled up about 5.8 gb. Does that sound right?

Well a little more info would be nice.
What was the source file and format?
How did you make the HD-DVD?
Was it re-encoded, if so what software and settings?
There are ways to confirm what the audio is. DGIndex is one, if it is a .ts file then tsMuxeR will identify the audio file type, both free software.

File size is ONLY affected by the bit rate and the running time. If you are re-encoding the file, then raise the bit rate to make the final size larger.

Mike T

Okay I will try

Source file was MPEG TS
I first used VideoRedo to make an MPEG. Then I use ULeadMF6+. I then burn in Nero7. I follow the directions from the first post. I thought I had the problem solved as after my last post I was tinkering around with MF6+ and noticed a setting because MF6+ asked if I want to adjust my MPEG settings. So I did adjust from the 1440 that it was suggesting to the 1920 that the file was. I used the customizable option to then set the audio to Dolby Digital and then switched it to 3/2(L,C,R,SL,SR). I was just winging it as that sounded about right, but what do I know.

Now I did some looking with this tsMuxeR and my ts files say they have 6 channels of sound, but some from the same group say only 2 channel. After I combine them through VideoRedo it seems to make a 2 channel MPEG. Is there a setting in VideoRedo I am missing. Will tsMuxer do the same thing as VideoRedo?

On another note if I wanted to use tsMuxer to get a mkv file ready for burning what do I want it to output? A ts muxing, M2ts muxing, or one of the other options? Do I then put that file into MF6+ to make the HDDVD Folder?

I've been burning footage from a Sony HDR-FX7 which is 1080i HDV at 25mbps. I've used both MF6+ and Nero to use the MPEG2 files at 25mbps but they always stutter, regardless of media, booktype, etc. If I lower it to 23mbps it seems to work okay with very minor stuttering, if any at all. However, I also sometimes use Nero 8 Ultra with the AVC option and I don't mind the 15mbps limit. Though when I use this option I notice compression artifacts in the form of minor pixelation. (Especially noticeable in areas with a lot of sky as the background). Shouldn't 15mbps be enough to reduce an quality loss from 25mbps HDV? I edit in Sony Vegas 8 Pro so what would be the best output from Vegas to use in Nero 8? I've been just using HDV streams but should I render to AVC in Vegas and try those in Nero? Eveyrthing is working, menus, sound, etc. But I'm just frustrated with 1) the stuttering on 25mbps MPEG2 material and 2) blocking on Nero 8's AVC setting. If I can get past either one of these hurdles I'll be home free.

But I'm just frustrated with 1) the stuttering on 25mbps MPEG2 material ...
Are you using a third generation (A3, A30 or A35) HD-DVD player?
Second generation players (not sure about first generation) can play the 25Mbps MPEG2 HDV Camcorder footage perfectly. That is why I replaced my A30 with an A20.

Xbox 360 add-on. I did get a little stuttering on my mother's HD-A3 as well.

Follow up from my earlier post: I've successfully burned Elephants Dream to disc, but it doesn't play through. Source is a ~2.5GB file, losted as "1080p@24.0, 40 Mbps CBR (with no zero stuffing) in a 48 Mbps Transport Stream".

My first try was set to MPEG4, 15Mbps, "highest quality encode", and 2 passes, in Nero Vision. I ended up with a file about 1.2GB in size, and burned to a DVD-R at slow speed. It plays well in my A3 until the 1:20 mark, at which point it freezes my player and I have to unplug to reset.

Next I changed setting in Nero Vision to use MPEG2, 15Mbps, Standard quality encode, 2 passes. I ended up with a file almost exactly the same size. When I burned it, it played for a few seconds, then turned all crazy with colors and artifacts everywhere, then eventually froze around the same 1:20 mark. I thought I was trying a DVD+R, but I think I messed up and used a -R again on the second try.

I'm obviously going to try +R on my next attempt. What else could I be doing wrong? 15Mbps should be low enough, and from what I did get working, it looks excellent. Sound worked great in DD5.1 as well. I did not break it into chapters since it is only 11 min long.... should that matter at all? Any other ideas?

I'm so close here that it is killing me!

Okay I will try

Source file was MPEG TS
I first used VideoRedo to make an MPEG. Then I use ULeadMF6+. I then burn in Nero7. I follow the directions from the first post. I thought I had the problem solved as after my last post I was tinkering around with MF6+ and noticed a setting because MF6+ asked if I want to adjust my MPEG settings. So I did adjust from the 1440 that it was suggesting to the 1920 that the file was. I used the customizable option to then set the audio to Dolby Digital and then switched it to 3/2(L,C,R,SL,SR). I was just winging it as that sounded about right, but what do I know.

Now I did some looking with this tsMuxeR and my ts files say they have 6 channels of sound, but some from the same group say only 2 channel. After I combine them through VideoRedo it seems to make a 2 channel MPEG. Is there a setting in VideoRedo I am missing. Will tsMuxer do the same thing as VideoRedo?

On another note if I wanted to use tsMuxer to get a mkv file ready for burning what do I want it to output? A ts muxing, M2ts muxing, or one of the other options? Do I then put that file into MF6+ to make the HDDVD Folder?

I think having clips from different sources with different sound is the problem. Try putting a clip with 5.1 sound first. Also I think "join" is probably a better choice than "combine" when using different clips from different sources. I use combine in VideoRedo when I have a large mpeg2 file that has been segmented into multiple same size pieces. If I have clips of different size and different sources, then I select "join". Then go to the join menu and make sure the clips are in the order you want and then select "make video from join list" and VideoRedo will create one video file.

If MF6 makes your folders in 5-10 minutes, then it is not re-encoding and will not change the audio stream, if it is taking hours it is re-encoding and the audio settings are important. I do NOT let MF6 do any re-encoding, it does not do well when doing this.

tsMuxeR will not make a program stream (.mpg) from a .ts file, use VideoRedo to do this. You could try to join your .ts clips using the "append" selection in tsMuxeR and then use VideoRedo to make it .mpg for MF6 to process, I have never tried this but it may fix your sound problem.

If the MKV file has mpeg2 video then you could use tsMuxeR to convert to .ts and then use VideoRedo to make the mpg file for MF6. MF6 will ONLY accept mpeg2 file, not mp4 or H264. If you get a PS3 for Blu-Ray then you can quickly make a AVCHD disk by choosing the BD output of tsMuxeR and then burning as UDF2.5 in Nero and this will auto play in the PS3 with chapters and it can be mpeg2 or mpeg4.

There is talk on Doom9 forum of somebody releasing free software to author mpeg4 files to HD-DVD without the need for Scenarist or MF6 in a couple of weeks. Hope they do and it works.

Mike T

There is talk on Doom9 forum of somebody releasing free software to author mpeg4 files to HD-DVD without the need for Scenarist or MF6 in a couple of weeks. Hope they do and it works.
WOW! :eek:
Please keep this thread updated with any news on this. Thanks.:D

Follow up from my earlier post: I've successfully burned Elephants Dream to disc, but it doesn't play through. Source is a ~2.5GB file, losted as "1080p@24.0, 40 Mbps CBR (with no zero stuffing) in a 48 Mbps Transport Stream".

My first try was set to MPEG4, 15Mbps, "highest quality encode", and 2 passes, in Nero Vision. I ended up with a file about 1.2GB in size, and burned to a DVD-R at slow speed. It plays well in my A3 until the 1:20 mark, at which point it freezes my player and I have to unplug to reset.

Next I changed setting in Nero Vision to use MPEG2, 15Mbps, Standard quality encode, 2 passes. I ended up with a file almost exactly the same size. When I burned it, it played for a few seconds, then turned all crazy with colors and artifacts everywhere, then eventually froze around the same 1:20 mark. I thought I was trying a DVD+R, but I think I messed up and used a -R again on the second try.

I'm obviously going to try +R on my next attempt. What else could I be doing wrong? 15Mbps should be low enough, and from what I did get working, it looks excellent. Sound worked great in DD5.1 as well. I did not break it into chapters since it is only 11 min long.... should that matter at all? Any other ideas?

I'm so close here that it is killing me!

I think the player freezing (crashing) is the same issue I listed in post #2894, but I only use Nero for burning. I would add chapters as I found that if I skip several chapters when the disk first starts to play, then push stop twice and then start playing, then the player does not crash and I can play the complete disk without problems.

Mike T

Actually, MF6 will import MPEG4 video in a TS stream, and if it is formatted just right, it will use it without reencoding. I've gotten it to work once, though it is a bit difficult to get the video just right. There's a thread about it in the camcorder subforum, something about burning AVCHD to HD DVD.

Thanks mtallent. I have been using the same source for all the files. I checked the file after videoredo tvsuite and it says it is a 5.1 ch source. Then after VS11+ it is saying it is a 6 channel stream in tsMuxR so I am not sure what is going on. Do I need some special add on's for either progarm. I dont get what the problem could be. I thought I had it licked this morning after I checked all those. Could Nero be doing something weird when burning? I am simply dropping in the burning rom application.

Just an added thought. Could my HD A2 not support the audio coding. tsMuxR says each .EVO file is an MPEG-2 video and AC3 audio file. The HD A2 is saying when you press display while reading the disc that the video codec is "MPEG-2" and the audio is "Other 1 Dolby D+" and at the bottom audio output "Digital Bitstream" audio decode "Dolby D+"

I will try the tsMuxR for the mkv's that makes sense.

Thanks mtallent. I have been using the same source for all the files. I checked the file after videoredo tvsuite and it says it is a 5.1 ch source. Then after VS11+ it is saying it is a 6 channel stream in tsMuxR so I am not sure what is going on. Do I need some special add on's for either progarm. I dont get what the problem could be. I thought I had it licked this morning after I checked all those. Could Nero be doing something weird when burning? I am simply dropping in the burning rom application.

Just an added thought. Could my HD A2 not support the audio coding. tsMuxR says each .EVO file is an MPEG-2 video and AC3 audio file. The HD A2 is saying when you press display while reading the disc that the video codec is "MPEG-2" and the audio is "Other 1 Dolby D+" and at the bottom audio output "Digital Bitstream" audio decode "Dolby D+"

I will try the tsMuxR for the mkv's that makes sense.

Did you play the original files to make sure they really are 6 channel, it is pretty common to put 2 channel sound in a 5.1 channel encode. For example HD-Net movies are all encoded in 6 channel format, but many of the older movies are only stereo and some even mono.

When you author the files into HD-DVD folders how long does it take? If they are not being re-encoded it should only take 5 or 10 minutes and when you click the "burn" button to start the HD-DVD folder creation, the total progress bar should go to 99% immediately, then it should mux the audio and video and then finalize the EVO and take 5-10 minutes to finish. If it take a lot longer time then it is being re-encoded and that is probably the problem.

Burning with Nero will not change the files.

I have an HD-A2 and it has no problems playing my mpeg2 and mpeg4 HD-DVD's that I make.

Mike T

Hello,

Probably all of you realized this already, but just in case...

Just found why booktype is so important for dvd+r and dvd+r DL media. Note that this doesn't apply to DVD-R and DVD-R DL.

If the booktype is set to DVD-ROM, then Toshiba will spin the disk at 1x. This limit us to a max bitrate of 10mbits for both audio and video. (Like Standard DVDs)

If the booktype is set to "physical" or DVD+r DL, then the disk is spin at 3x according to the 3xDVD standard in the HD-DVD spec. This give us 30mbits bandwidth for both audio and video.

Here is another proof of the spin speed. Just listen to your Toshiba player when you put a disk, you'll notice that at 1x it's very quiet and at 3x it's much more noisy.

So If you have a homemade HD movie that is under 10 mbits audio and video combined, you can burn it to a DVD+R or DVD+R DL without worrying about booktype/bitsetting. (If you have a pioneer burner for example, it sets the booktype to DVD-ROM automatically for DVD+R DL and DVD+R for DVD+R)

Hope this help.

Pitou!

Mike,

I guess I dont know how to really check if the file is 6 channel. Where would I play it and be able to tell. My computer is only hooked up to 2 speakers. My motherboard supports 5.1 through analog or toslink. I have put the files in DGindex and it says they are playing at 3/2 384k and not 2 at 384. I did notice that the intro to one of the files was in 2 ch at 384 so I edited that out with VideoRedo. Is there a better/another way to see if the file is truly 5.1?

As far as MF6+ or VS11+ it is doing exactly what you describe. Jump to 99% and 10 minutes or so to make the HD DVD folder.

Thanks for the help so far. It is really cool of ya. If my damn POS HR20 had not died I wouldnt be in this boat and would have already watched the series.

...If the booktype is set to DVD-ROM, then Toshiba will spin the disk at 1x. This limit us to a max bitrate of 10mbits for both audio and video. (Like Standard DVDs)

If the booktype is set to "physical" or DVD+r DL, then the disk is spin at 3x...

If you have a pioneer burner for example, it sets the booktype to DVD-ROM automatically for DVD+R DL and DVD+R for DVD+R...Nope, I didn't know this! Anyway you know of to tell my Pioneer burners not to do DVD-ROM?

I think the player freezing (crashing) is the same issue I listed in post #2894, but I only use Nero for burning. I would add chapters as I found that if I skip several chapters when the disk first starts to play, then push stop twice and then start playing, then the player does not crash and I can play the complete disk without problems.

Mike T

I tried using a +R disc, and making chapters, and that seemed to do the trick. I have to watch it through a few more times to be sure, bit I think I nailed it.

Nope, I didn't know this! Anyway you know of to tell my Pioneer burners not to do DVD-ROM?


Put my Pioneer on the shelf, cannot set book type. Get a NEC, Optiarc, Samsung maybe others, you can set book type. Usually around $30 for bare drive.

Mike T

There is talk on Doom9 forum of somebody releasing free software to author mpeg4 files to HD-DVD without the need for Scenarist or MF6 in a couple of weeks. Hope they do and it works.

Mike T


This is great news!

Please keep us up to date.

So I verified that the files do have an ac3 track that is 5.1 channel by demuxing using tsMuxeR then looking at the ac3 file with Nero WaveEditor. Anyone have more ideas?

So I verified that the files do have an ac3 track that is 5.1 channel by demuxing using tsMuxeR then looking at the ac3 file with Nero WaveEditor. Anyone have more ideas?

OK, how is the A2 player connected to your 6 channel amp? If by optical is the output set to "bitstream"?

Mike T

I have it connected via HDMI to my NADT175. The thing is it is saying 2 ch on my HD A2. Like the A2 is not decoding correctly or something. Does what it is saying it is doing in post #2909 make sense? Am I missing something in the A2's settings?

Edit: So I started thinking. I know and I am sure you guys can tell that doesnt happen often. I took the disc and demuxed one of the evo files off of it and put it in Nero WaveEditor and it is a 5.1 channel track. I then set the HDMI output to PCM instead of Auto and it now displays multi. I did get a chance to watch enough, but that may be a good sign.

Ok so now its offical. I am an idot. Even though my A2 is saying 2ch it is actually playing 5.1 DD. All the parts I had checked when testing on the A2 there was no sound out of the rear channels on the recording. At least I learned a bunch and hopefully otheres can benefit.

I will go hide in another thread now. LOL.

Ok so now its offical. I am an idot. Even though my A2 is saying 2ch it is actually playing 5.1 DD. All the parts I had checked when testing on the A2 there was no sound out of the rear channels on the recording. At least I learned a bunch and hopefully otheres can benefit.

I will go hide in another thread now. LOL.

The 2ch/multi display has not worked properly since day 1 on this player. Good you got it working...

Here we go again.

I have been trying to get a mkv file onto a disc and have used tsMuxeR to change it into a ts file. When I put it into VideoRedo I get an error that says "No PIDs when trying to open a transport stream" or when I put it into DGindex it says "No video sequence header found" Anyone have any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks again.

Here we go again.

I have been trying to get a mkv file onto a disc and have used tsMuxeR to change it into a ts file. When I put it into VideoRedo I get an error that says "No PIDs when trying to open a transport stream" or when I put it into DGindex it says "No video sequence header found" Anyone have any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks again.

Load the .ts into TSremuxer (Doom9), I think version .2 was the latest. It should list the video and audio files, if it does, then make sure both are checked and then choose remux. It will re-write the .ts file and maybe fix the errors in it.

VideoRedo will ONLY work with mpeg2 files and your MKV is probably not mpeg2. If is is H264 (tsMuxeR will tell you) then get DGAVCIndex and try it. You will not be able to make a HD-DVD disk from this without a lot of work with many pieces of software. You could re-encode into mpeg2 but the file will have to be about twice the size it is now or you will lose a lot of picture quality.

Mike T

Ok I think it is an H264 file. I will try the DGAVCIndex. I would be happy if I could make it into something I could stream to my Xbox360 too. At least then I could watch it.

I had no freaking idea there were issues with the dumb 2ch and multi thing on A2's.

If the booktype is set to DVD-ROM, then Toshiba will spin the disk at 1x. This limit us to a max bitrate of 10mbits for both audio and video. (Like Standard DVDs)

If the booktype is set to "physical" or DVD+r DL, then the disk is spin at 3x according to the 3xDVD standard in the HD-DVD spec. This give us 30mbits bandwidth for both audio and video.


The weird thing is with my A35, I can use a DVD+R DL disc on a Philips DVD writer which I'm 99.9% sure is doing DVD-ROM for book type and for Memorex or above quality discs, I don't have to set book type and I normally encode at around 15-20mbps VBR (you can tell I'm using Nero 90% of the time since I have a 15mbps floor). I've watched entire 2 hour movies/programs doing this.

But on my A2, it will stutter and never recover. I use DVD-R DL disc, no changes in A35, A2 will stutter a bit but recover. My Xbox 360 add-ons seems to chew up any brand disc -R or +R and be OK.

Anyway, it's kind of annoying since when I share discs with my relatives, they all have A2s, or 360 add-ons or whatever and I have to do a little bit of testing to make sure it works for everyone.

The weird thing is with my A35, I can use a DVD+R DL disc on a Philips DVD writer which I'm 99.9% sure is doing DVD-ROM for book type and for Memorex or above quality discs, I don't have to set book type and I normally encode at around 15-20mbps VBR (you can tell I'm using Nero 90% of the time since I have a 15mbps floor). I've watched entire 2 hour movies/programs doing this.

I'm pretty sure your burner leaves the disk as is. So your +DL is still a +DL. You can verify it with ImgBurn.

But on my A2, it will stutter and never recover. I use DVD-R DL disc, no changes in A35, A2 will stutter a bit but recover. My Xbox 360 add-ons seems to chew up any brand disc -R or +R and be OK.

Some Toshiba drives are picky, make sure you have a good burner/media. I rely only on Pioneer and Samsung burners, these days.

Pitou!

I just got the HD plug-in for Movie Factory 6+. I am able to take the H264 encodes I did with MEGui using the HD-DVD profiles and load them into MF without re-encoding. When I make chapters with MF6 then then my A-30 player crashes around 6+ minutes, same as when I tried Scenarist SCA, unless I skip a few chapters ahead and then re-start the playback, then it play fine with chapters. When I did not add chapters, then it plays fine with A-30. When I authored with MF using HD-DVD Advanced content, then the disk was not recognized by the A-30. This is with DVD+DL disks with book type set to Physical disk and burned with X-Box compatability mode with Nero 7.

So it looks like there is a low-cost way to make H-264 HD-DVD disks on DVD blanks. Also the picture quality is great, even with bit rates averaging in the 7500-9000 range. For H-264 encoding the max bit rate is set to 24 mbps. It does involve many free software programs, but you have full control over the settings unlike Nero.

I did some mpeg2 encoding and I had to set the max bit rate to 21 mbps in order to not get stuttering in the beginning on the A-30 player for mpeg2 disks. Odd

Mike T

I just got the HD plug-in for Movie Factory 6+. I am able to take the H264 encodes I did with MEGui using the HD-DVD profiles and load them into MF without re-encoding. When I make chapters with MF6 then then my A-30 player crashes around 6+ minutes, same as when I tried Scenarist SCA, unless I skip a few chapters ahead and then re-start the playback, then it play fine with chapters. When I did not add chapters, then it plays fine with A-30. When I authored with MF using HD-DVD Advanced content, then the disk was not recognized by the A-30. This is with DVD+DL disks with book type set to Physical disk and burned with X-Box compatability mode with Nero 7.

So it looks like there is a low-cost way to make H-264 HD-DVD disks on DVD blanks. Also the picture quality is great, even with bit rates averaging in the 7500-9000 range. For H-264 encoding the max bit rate is set to 24 mbps. It does involve many free software programs, but you have full control over the settings unlike Nero.

I did some mpeg2 encoding and I had to set the max bit rate to 21 mbps in order to not get stuttering in the beginning on the A-30 player for mpeg2 disks. Odd

Mike T

Mike, can your post a full list of what you did? A lot of us are VERY interested in using something other than MPEG2. Granted, I now have a LG BH200, so I can do AVCHD. However, I would prefer to do 3x DVD for consistency across all my players.

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No luck w/ VC-1/WMV anywhere? Darn, there's a LOT of WMV HD stuff I want to burn.

Does anyone know how to get Nero 8 Ultra to avoid re-encoding MPEG2 files?

You use " Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack " ??

No reencode H264 to Mpeg2 ???

I was using Ulead MF6+ and got it to not re-encode MPEG2. Hell, I even got MF6+ to accept an AVC file without re-encoding. But the menu templates are hideous and it's damn near impossible to customize them. Nero's Menu creation is far superior. But Nero seems to want to re-encode everything not matter what, even with "SmartRender" enabled. The dream scenario would be to have Nero's menu creation in MF6+ or for Nero actually accept a pre-rendered MPEG2 or AVC file without re-encoding.

I'm very confused about Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+. It's stated in the comparison chart w/v6notPlus that everything you need is there to author HD DVDs. But then what's the "Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack" for another $20bucks for???

I'm amazed sometimes that these software companies seem not to know how to sell their software--can someone here explain why I need both 6+ and the HD Power Pack?

Hi guys,I'm Italian ;I'm sorry I can't speak English so well and I can't read all the topic,can you tell me the detailed proceeding to visualize a mkv video by an HD-DVD player please?Thank you so much!!

Mike, can your post a full list of what you did? A lot of us are VERY interested in using something other than MPEG2. Granted, I now have a LG BH200, so I can do AVCHD. However, I would prefer to do 3x DVD for consistency across all my players.

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No luck w/ VC-1/WMV anywhere? Darn, there's a LOT of WMV HD stuff I want to burn.

Here is an outline of what I did to get a H264 encoded file into a HD-DVD formatted DVD disk.

Software used- do Google search

AVISynth, I used version 2.5.7
MEGui from Doom9 forum
DGmpgdec I used version 1.5 rc5
DGavcdec (for H264 sources)
tsMuxeR from Doom9 forum
DGDecode.dll, Decomb521.dll copy to AVIsynth-plugins folder
h264info

The start is different depending on what kind of file you are starting with. Most of my recordings are mpeg2 and usually film source. So this is how I have done it.

Load the mpeg2 file into the latest version of DGIndex and save project. This will demux the audio and create a .d2v file that you use with MEgui X-264 encoder from Doom9 forum. You need to create a text file with notepad saved with a .avs extention to use AVISynth. Here is a sample--

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5.7\plugins\DGDecode.dll")

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5.7\plugins\Decomb521.dll")

mpeg2source("F:\Yourfile.d2v", upConv=1)

Telecide(1,guide=1,vthresh=0)

Decimate(cycle=5)

FieldDeinterlace(Full=False,threshold=15,dthreshold=9)
ConvertToYV12()

This script will de-interlace and convert the film back to progressive frames. I found that doing this makes the motion much smoother, but about doubles the encode time. I am trying to remove the 3-2 pulldown in other ways, but nothing is as smooth as this script.

Load .avs text file you created into MEgui and if you get no error messages, you should see a frame of the source file you are going to encode. Close video frame and use the bitrate calculator in the tools menu to find the bitrate use the audio file that was created by DGindex and for a double layer DVD disk I use a file size of 7.8 GB. Select the SA-HD-DVD profile and set the fourCC to avc1 in MEgui. Select RAWAVC for the output format, you will get a .264 file. For more info on using MEgui see the Doom9 forum. Two pass file encoding for a 2 hour mpeg2 file takes about 18 hours on my overclocked core2duo computer.

After encoding load the .264 file into h264info and select 3-2 pulldown and run to get a 29.97 version of the encoded file as MF6+ only likes 29.97.

Then load the video file just created along with the audio file created by DGindex, noting the time delay in the file name into tsMuxeR. click on audio file and enter the time delay in the file name into tsMuxeR audio delay window. Then mux into .ts file.

Then load this .ts file into Movie Factory 6+ with HD plug-in. I chose the HD-DVD standard content, and HD-DVD 15 GB size. I tried the double layer setting but got a strange output with the file repeated twice. It should load the same as any mpeg2 file and it will not re-encode the file and take about 10-15 minutes to make the HD-DVD folders. I put chapters every 3 minutes, and sometimes my HD-A30 player crashes. You can stop this two ways, first when the disk starts playing just skip 2 or 3 chapters ahead and then click stop twice and then start play at the beginning and it plays fine, or you can NOT put chapters in the file and they do not crash. If my player crashes I have to hold in the power button for about 10 seconds before it will turn off.

Picture quality is amazing.

I think I saw some threads on Doom9 forum on converting HD WMV files into MKV, so you could probably use MEgui to re-encode for HD-DVD playback also.

I know I omitted some stuff, but this will give a flavor on how to do this, one-click it is NOT.

Mike T

I'm very confused about Ulead DVD MovieFactory 6+. It's stated in the comparison chart w/v6notPlus that everything you need is there to author HD DVDs. But then what's the "Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack" for another $20bucks for???

I'm amazed sometimes that these software companies seem not to know how to sell their software--can someone here explain why I need both 6+ and the HD Power Pack?

The standard MF6+ will author HD-DVD but only with mpeg2 video. When you add the HD plugin it adds Blu-Ray and the HD-DVD authoring will accept H264 encodes, and maybe others if they are done with the right settings.

Mike T

Anyone know how to make custom menus with a photoshop program with MF6 or am I stuck with their templates?

Help Me Please:(

The standard MF6+ will author HD-DVD but only with mpeg2 video. When you add the HD plugin it adds Blu-Ray and the HD-DVD authoring will accept H264 encodes, and maybe others if they are done with the right settings.Thanks Mike, I appreciate the info.

I'm puzzled tho about your process--since most (ALL?) movies "are from film source" why do you deinterlace? Also, you said MF6+ only accepts 29.97???

The standard MF6+ will author HD-DVD but only with mpeg2 video. When you add the HD plugin it adds Blu-Ray and the HD-DVD authoring will accept H264 encodes, and maybe others if they are done with the right settings.

Mike T

What are the correct settings? 29.97 fps , 3-2 pulldown , .TS files OK
1080 ? 720 P ? Dolby digital 448K or more ?
thanks .

Thanks Mike, I appreciate the info.

I'm puzzled tho about your process--since most (ALL?) movies "are from film source" why do you deinterlace? Also, you said MF6+ only accepts 29.97???

Yes, the film sources are not really interlaced, but they have 3-2 pulldown flags so the film will play at 29.97 frames per second instead of the 23.976. When I tried to encode as is at 29.97 the resultant file had slightly jerky slow panning. I tried several programs to remove these flags, but it did not fix the problem, also some flags are "hard coded" into the file and the only way to remove them (inverse telecine) is to re-encode. Also I am using the same methods to make Blu-Ray AVCHD disks and they really look good as 1080P24 played on my PS3 into DLP HDTV.

It is easy to add back the pulldown flags after it is encoded into H264. I tried to put 1080P24 file into MF6+ earlier and it did not like it. Maybe the new HD plugin update fixes this, I will try it again later.

Know anyone that would like about 400 Laser disks and several Pioneer Laser Disk players?

Mike T

What are the correct settings? 29.97 fps , 3-2 pulldown , .TS files OK
1080 ? 720 P ? Dolby digital 448K or more ?
thanks .

Since you do NOT want Movie Factory to re-encode your files most of the settings don't matter as long as you have the box checked to not re-encode compliant files. The early version of MF6+ would only accept mpeg2 files as mpg program streams and 1080i format. I have not fully test the updated version with the HD plug in to see what has changed. I do know that MF will accept 1080i files with H264 coding and in a transport stream format .ts.

The beginning of this thread has info on how to make the HD-DVD's and what file requirements are needed.

Mike T

Hi guys,I'm Italian ;I'm sorry I can't speak English so well and I can't read all the topic,can you tell me the detailed proceeding to visualize a mkv video by an HD-DVD player please?Thank you so much!!

It can be done but it is complicated and uses many pieces of software. You would demux the MKV file using tsMuxeR and then re-encode the video using the general method I described in post #2934. The AVIsynth script would be different as you probably have a different video file format in the MKV file.

You can find out more about this by spending a lot of time reading in the www.doom9.org forum like I did.

Mike T

I tried to load a H-264 file at 23.976 framerate into MF6+ with HD plugin and MF would re-encode this to 29.97, so 23.976 frame rate files are not accepted without re-encoding. I used H265info to add 3-2 pulldown to this file and it worked fine in MF6 without re-encoding.

Mike T

I tried to load a H-264 file at 23.976 framerate into MF6+ with HD plugin and MF would re-encode this to 29.97, so 23.976 frame rate files are not accepted without re-encoding. I used H265info to add 3-2 pulldown to this file and it worked fine in MF6 without re-encoding.MF will RE-ENCODE? Sounds time-intensive!!!???!!! To say the least!

Have you ever tried DGPulldown which "simply" changes flags from one setting to another...?

Oops, not enough coffee this a.m.! I doubt DGPulldown would work w/h264!!! :o

MF will RE-ENCODE? Sounds time-intensive!!!???!!! To say the least!

Have you ever tried DGPulldown which "simply" changes flags from one setting to another...?

Oops, not enough coffee this a.m.! I doubt DGPulldown would work w/h264!!! :o

Yes, If MF6 does not like your video then it will re-encode it to mpeg2, which is very slow and not very good.

I have tried DGPulldown, DoPulldown and none give as good results as encoding as progressive and then adding pulldown, plus with AVCHD you do not need the pulldown and can play the file as 23.976 progressive.

My main test for panning judder is the first 6 minutes of Alien, nothing but a very slow pan.

Mike T

Well, the last time I searched for a deal on MF6+ the best I saw was provantage. Today I see it at Amazon for $49.99! Same as 6.0!!?? I think last I looked there it was $70. So I've joined the club (will have to buy also the $20 plug-in of course later).

:)

For Mtallent:
I have understud that the passages are:
Demux MKV with tsmuxer
to follow all passages in the post #2934
But i don't understand this passage:
The AVIsynth script would be different as you probably have a different video file format in the MKV file.

Thank You!

For Mtallent:
I have understud that the passages are:
Demux MKV with tsmuxer
to follow all passages in the post #2934
But i don't understand this passage:
The AVIsynth script would be different as you probably have a different video file format in the MKV file.

Thank You!

The AVISynth script I posted was for mpeg2 files. MKV files may not be mpeg2 format. tsMuxeR will tell you info on the video file in the information window just below the source file window. It will also tell the frame rate as this information is needed to know if de-interlacing is even necessary.

I am still trying to figure all this out also, it is complicated.

Mike T

...it is complicated.Indeed. I received my MF6+ package today, and (amazingly, these days anyway) it comes with a printed User's Guide. Just glancing over it for now, MF6+ is, like Nero I suppose, a "Swiss Army Knife"-type suite of apps. Do I just install everything and run with it, or is there a "hardcore few" i.e. short list of apps that're all I need to create HVDVD_TS for burning with, say ImgBurn which I prefer to use?

I will also be installing the HD plug-in but obviously am not there yet.

OK I found a review which said/showed that MF6+ doesn't allow "Custom Installation" as for example Nero does. So I install and get what I get... :p

Hi...I am looking to solve a size problem after following the 1st thread's instructions.
I'd like to use Ulead to create the HD-DVD folder based on 11GB MPG files and burn to a DVD that can only hold 4.7 and still retain the HD quality. is this possible?

Firstly, I am using VideoRedo Suite v3, Moviefactory 6+ and the latest Nero (I think v8)

Here's what I did to get to this point.
1) I captured 2 large .m2t videos in 1080i output (highest resolution) from my HDR-HC5 Sony Camcorder using the Sony software (SONY HDR-HC5 (Import from Handycam (Tape))).
2) I used VRD v3 to convert both files to 2 MPGs. Each file is now ~11GB
3) I opened each MPG Ulead Movie factory 6+ and adjusted the chapters on each file and unchecked Create Menu.
4) This UMF v6 has a Project Type and there are 2 HD DVD types: HD-Standard 15gb and 30 gb.

Obviously these are not 4.7GBs settings that I need for a 4.7 GB DVD....so what do I do now? Do I encode in another format to shrink the files to 4.7GB?

Anyone's help is much appreciated...I'll likely face this same problem with every tape I capture.

Hi...I am looking to solve a size problem after following the 1st thread's instructions.
I'd like to use Ulead to create the HD-DVD folder based on 11GB MPG files and burn to a DVD that can only hold 4.7 and still retain the HD quality. is this possible?

Firstly, I am using VideoRedo Suite v3, Moviefactory 6+ and the latest Nero (I think v8)

Here's what I did to get to this point.
1) I captured 2 large .m2t videos in 1080i output (highest resolution) from my HDR-HC5 Sony Camcorder using the Sony software (SONY HDR-HC5 (Import from Handycam (Tape))).
2) I used VRD v3 to convert both files to 2 MPGs. Each file is now ~11GB
3) I opened each MPG Ulead Movie factory 6+ and adjusted the chapters on each file and unchecked Create Menu.
4) This UMF v6 has a Project Type and there are 2 HD DVD types: HD-Standard 15gb and 30 gb.

Obviously these are not 4.7GBs settings that I need for a 4.7 GB DVD....so what do I do now? Do I encode in another format to shrink the files to 4.7GB?

Anyone's help is much appreciated...I'll likely face this same problem with every tape I capture.

You have 2 11 GByte files as mpeg2?

And you want to re-encode them both to fit on a single layer DVD disk?

The short answer is don't waste your time.

You could maybe re-encode each clip to 4.7 GByte disk size using H-264 as described in my post #2934 and the quality might be OK, or re-size the clips to 720P then encode into H-264, but it gets pretty complicated with AVISynth script settings, although all the software to do it is free.

You would then need the $20 HD plugin for Movie Factory 6 to author the HD-DVD disks on 4.7 GByte DVD disks.

If you want to read more about this then go to the www.doom9.org forums and check out MEgui in the advanced encoding threads.

Mike T

A quick question. I have my .ts file but when I go to Movie Factory to open it, it says its not accessible. Any help?

Thanks

A quick question. I have my .ts file but when I go to Movie Factory to open it, it says its not accessible. Any help?

Thanks

The early version of MF6 would only accept program streams (mpg) as described in the first page of this thread. After updating and installing the HD plugin, I find that MF6 will accept .ts files just fine.

Are you sure your file is OK, did you play it to make sure, is it mpeg2?

Mike T

You don't even need the HD plugin. Just download and install the latest patch from the website.

Yes. When I go to open the video using moviefactory, the program can see it, but when I click on it, it says its not accessible. I pressed info and it says for file type: MPEG-2(transport stream) and for file type it says H.264 Video.

EDIT: I think I figured it out. I forgot to convert it to 30fps.

EDIT #2 - I changed it to 30 fps but it still says its not accessible

Yes. When I go to open the video using moviefactory, the program can see it, but when I click on it, it says its not accessible. I pressed info and it says for file type: MPEG-2(transport stream) and for file type it says H.264 Video.

EDIT: I think I figured it out. I forgot to convert it to 30fps.

EDIT #2 - I changed it to 30 fps but it still says its not accessible

If the video is H264 you will have to get the $20 HD plug-in. I did and it works fine for H264 encodes I have made with MEgui from Doom9 forum.

Mike T

The thing is... I have the HD plugin and it was working yesterday...

I repeat--you don't need the HD plugin! I have successfully created a h.264 disc without it. I usually have best luck dragging the files from windows explorer onto the timeline.

I repeat--you don't need the HD plugin! I have successfully created a h.264 disc without it. I usually have best luck dragging the files from windows explorer onto the timeline.

I know the original version of MF would not accept H264, but I upgraded with the patch and the HD plugin around the same time, so the update patch may have added the H264.

Also you have to encode the H264 with settings that are compatible with the HD-DVD requirements. There are HD-DVD "profiles" you use for encoding H264 for authoring to HD-DVD. Not just any H264 file can be used for HD-DVD.

Mike T

I know the original version of MF would not accept H264, but I upgraded with the patch and the HD plugin around the same time, so the update patch may have added the H264.

Also you have to encode the H264 with settings that are compatible with the HD-DVD requirements. There are HD-DVD "profiles" you use for encoding H264 for authoring to HD-DVD. Not just any H264 file can be used for HD-DVD.

Mike T

Yes, I found this procedure works also:

Use 'xport -h <Mymovie.m2ts> 1 1 1'
Use h264info.exe to convert the video into a hd-dvd compliant h.264 file.
Use tsMuxR to join the audio + modified video into a .ts file
Import the .ts file into Ulead MovieFactory 6, making sure that the project settings match those of the .ts file. Then Ulead will not re-encode :-)

3. Create the HD DVD folder on your computer with Ulead Movie Factory 5.

a. Start Ulead Movie Factory 5 (and wait, it loads slowly). Select “New Project.”
b. Under “Create a Video Disc” select “HD DVD.” Click “OK.”
c. In the upper right, select the movie film icon with the + sign...I bought MF6+, and can't even get past step b. When I select a "New Project" it asks me to "Select Burner" and then lists my DVD writers for selection. After I do that and get into MF6+ per se, I can see the Add Video Files button, but there's no way that I can find to tell MF6+ that I want to create an HD DVD, as if I need an HD-DVD WRITER to make an HD DVD folderset.

Where'd step b. above go??? :confused:

EDIT: OK, I jumped the gun. I had to select the correct DVD type lower-left; one of the HD-DVD Standards. Then later un-check that I wanted to burn it, and an HD-DVD folder was created. Gotta still get the Power Pack but at least I know I got what I bought! Sorry for the bandwidth... :o

EDIT AGAIN!: I oughta delete this post--turns out my confusion was caused by using the Launcher. If I call DVDMF directly I get very nice New Project and HD DVD Standard radio buttons. Ouch!

FWIW I found a 15% off coupon valid for anything at Corel's online store, including the HD Power Pack plugin. SITEPOINT15OFF iirc. So I saved $3 bucks which still buys me a beer in most saloons that I might frequent!

The best deal on MF6+ is still, I think, amazon.com at $49.

Off to make some HD DVDs...

By way of trying-out my new MF6+ setup, I've run into the issue of MF6+ not accepting 24fps video. For grins I'm making a DVD+R HD DVD out of BD movie trailers (including a very nice "coming soon on Blu-Ray disc"! :D) which are all m2ts files w/MPEG2, and here's what I've had to do:

1. Open the m2ts to VRD and Save As Elementary Streams changing the Bitrate option to 20Mbps

2. Use DGPulldown to convert the 23.976 originals to 29.97

3. Re-mux (I have TMPGEnc to do this) to an .mpg file

4. Add to MF6+ and make HVDVD set

The above is actually very quick, of course each trailer is only 200-400Mb long. But a key is to select 20Mbps in VRD as the output bitrate--I tried 30Mbps and MF wanted to re-encode it. This only changes the header, not the video itself, so VRD output still only takes seconds.

EDIT: Thanks to AnthemAZ.HDTV (in the very next post) it looks like all I really have to do is "fake-out" MF6+ by using HDpatch to change the FrameRate to 29.97 in the header, then change it back after MF has done its thing. Saves a LOT of extra work! WOW IT WORKS! :)

I had looked here for a shorter way to do this, but the only/best comment I'd found about it was this one, which turns-out to be spot-on except JPhilips89doesn't mention a bitrate issue.

In order for a 24p file to work, you'll need to add 3:2 pulldown. Assuming it's an mpeg2 (what else would it be?), you need to demux it, use DGPulldown to add pulldown flags, then remux it and load it into MF6. Once you've got all the software, this is a fairly simple and quick process. Thing is, I don't know much about mpeg2 de/remuxers, so you'll have to ask someone else about those. I think something like TsRemux should work, though.

EDIT: By the way, you don't need to worry about losing quality when adding pulldown. It's a lossless procedure, and is completely reversible.

By way of trying-out my new MF6+ setup, I've run into the issue of MF6+ not accepting 24fps video.
What I do is leave the MPG file at 24fps, and use HDPatch to change the fps to 29.97, and the aspect ratio to 16:9 (if needed - MF6+ does not like 1:1) - do this only for the header, not the whole file. MF6+ should be happy with the file then and not re-encode it. Once the HDDVD files are built, remember to use HDPatch on the first EVO file to change the settings back to what they were (24fps, 1:1, etc.)

... When I make chapters with MF6 then then my A-30 player crashes around 6+ minutes, same as when I tried Scenarist SCA, unless I skip a few chapters ahead and then re-start the playback, then it play fine with chapters. When I did not add chapters, then it plays fine with A-30. When I authored with MF using HD-DVD Advanced content, then the disk was not recognized by the A-30. This is with DVD+DL disks with book type set to Physical disk and burned with X-Box compatability mode with Nero 7.

Mike, I was having the same player (A-2 & A-20) crashes when I created HDDVDs with chapters using MF6+. For the past few weeks, I have been using "Advanced" mode to create HDDVDs and now my players no longer crash. When burning use the same Nero 7 settings (ie. physical disk, and X-Box compatability) and make sure you create the disk with both folders that MF6+ created - I think they are named ADV_OBJ and HDDVD_TS.

What I do is leave the MPG file at 24fps, and use HDPatch to change the fps to 29.97, and the aspect ratio to 16:9 (if needed - MF6+ does not like 1:1) - do this only for the header, not the whole file. MF6+ should be happy with the file then and not re-encode it. Once the HDDVD files are built, remember to use HDPatch on the first EVO file to change the settings back to what they were (24fps, 1:1, etc.)DL'ed HDpatch and wow, is that gonna save me some time, thanks!

BTW do you or anyone else here know the max bitrate MF6+ will accept? I see I can change that with HDpatch also. I only know it does NOT like 30Mbps.

DL'ed HDpatch and wow, is that gonna save me some time, thanks!

BTW do you or anyone else here know the max bitrate MF6+ will accept? I see I can change that with HDpatch also. I only know it does NOT like 30Mbps.

I'm not sure what the max bitrate that MF6+ accepts, but I know at least it's happy with 25Mbps MPEG files from my Canon HD Camcorder.

I'd also like to add that keeping the MPEG file at 24fps will result in a smaller file compared to one that was re-encoded at 29.97fps (6 less frames per second).

:cool:

Hi. I successfully made my HD-DVD disk with the new hd-popup menus. I burnt both the adv_obj and hvdvd_ts folders into my disk. However, when I attempt to play it, the machine says it does not recognize it as a DVD and cannot play it. Would this have anything to do with me not having updated the firmware?

...it's happy with 25Mbps...I'd also like to add that keeping the MPEG file at 24fps will result in a smaller file compared to one that was re-encoded at 29.97fps (6 less frames per second).AAZ to clarify I wasn't re-encoding either--DGPulldown just changes the flags, though unlike HDpatch which takes only a second and patches the header, DGPulldown changes flags thruout the video. What's worse though, it also needs only Elementary streams to work with. So HDpatch is a wildly better & easier way to go for sure. Great tip. :)

Mike, I was having the same player (A-2 & A-20) crashes when I created HDDVDs with chapters using MF6+. For the past few weeks, I have been using "Advanced" mode to create HDDVDs and now my players no longer crash. When burning use the same Nero 7 settings (ie. physical disk, and X-Box compatability) and make sure you create the disk with both folders that MF6+ created - I think they are named ADV_OBJ and HDDVD_TS.

I tried using the advanced mode. With both my A2 and A30 I get a cannot play this disk error. I am using a H-264 encoded file that plays fine when using standard mode and no chapters. I have always used both folders although one is empty when using standard mode.

I have had no problems using chapters with mpeg2 files, have made hundreds with no player crashes, only when using my encoded H264 files that play fine without chapters.

I also made a couple with Scenarist and the ones with chapters also crashed the player when they were H264.

Sure would be nice to have chapters as the fast scan does not go very fast with H264 files. However the quality is amazing with h264.

Mike T

H264 with chapters doesn't work with Scenarist either? I wonder what professionals used. I used Nero Vision 8 to add chapters manually and it causes skips around the chapter points. You'd have to wait till a totally black scene in order to add it incognito so I thought maybe a more professional tool like Scenarist would get around it. That was with one video file though. I guess the video file could be split up into random chapter points too.

Has anyone been able to make a succesful HD-DVD disc from h.264 video files?? I'm able to output to folder and to ISO but no matter how I burn it (+r, -r, +rw, +DL) with booktype set to dvd-rom, DL or -R it always plays with stutters and then stops playing on both the 360 addon and my hd-dvd drive on my pc. I've made the same project on AVCHD and Blu-Ray and plays fine on my blu pc drive. Does the HD-DVD specifications allow for this? h.264 video on dvd media (not real HD-DVDs)??
thanks
P.S.
I have the MF6 with the HD pack.
Burnt with Nero 8 and with the included Ulead tool.
I have made hd-dvds from mpeg files before and they work fine.

Has anyone been able to make a succesful HD-DVD disc from h.264 video files?? I'm able to output to folder and to ISO but no matter how I burn it (+r, -r, +rw, +DL) with booktype set to dvd-rom, DL or -R it always plays with stutters and then stops playing on both the 360 addon and my hd-dvd drive on my pc. I've made the same project on AVCHD and Blu-Ray and plays fine on my blu pc drive. Does the HD-DVD specifications allow for this? h.264 video on dvd media (not real HD-DVDs)??
thanks
P.S.
I have the MF6 with the HD pack.
Burnt with Nero 8 and with the included Ulead tool.
I have made hd-dvds from mpeg files before and they work fine.


Yes, I personally successful .

Here is my tutorial, in French:

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1089&t=29861900&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=75



Stéphane .

Here is my tutorial, in French:

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1089&t=29861900&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=75



Stéphane .

any way to tranlate this to english ??

Has anyone been able to make a succesful HD-DVD disc from h.264 video files?? I'm able to output to folder and to ISO but no matter how I burn it (+r, -r, +rw, +DL) with booktype set to dvd-rom, DL or -R it always plays with stutters and then stops playing on both the 360 addon and my hd-dvd drive on my pc. I've made the same project on AVCHD and Blu-Ray and plays fine on my blu pc drive. Does the HD-DVD specifications allow for this? h.264 video on dvd media (not real HD-DVDs)??
thanks
P.S.
I have the MF6 with the HD pack.
Burnt with Nero 8 and with the included Ulead tool.
I have made hd-dvds from mpeg files before and they work fine.

I have made about 20 HD-DVD on DVD+DL with H-264 video.

I have used film based files and they have to be encoded to H-264 using HD-DVD settings using MEGui from Doom9.org forum, and MF6 with HD plugin.

Where did your H-264 file come from? Dish recordings will not work as HD-DVD, although they do work to make a AVCHD that plays on the PS3.

See my post #2934 for the full method, but I have improved it a little.

Mike T

thanks for the tip mtallent
I'm using files from my camera panasonic HDC-SD9 maybe they're incompatible :(
I'll try your method and post results later :D
thanks

I looked at your method and I don't think it will work for me cause I am not trying to convert the files to h.264 since the files are already h.264 in a .mts .m2ts or .ts container, different tools I use to get the videos from the camera give different containers, none work good :(

I looked at your method and I don't think it will work for me cause I am not trying to convert the files to h.264 since the files are already h.264 in a .mts .m2ts or .ts container, different tools I use to get the videos from the camera give different containers, none work good :(

The problem with making a HD-DVD with H-264 video is that they have to meet the HD-DVD standards, and they are different than Blu-Ray. Your H264 files are probably closer to Blu-Ray requirements. So if you want to author them for HD-DVD playback you will probably have to re-encode them to HD-DVD profiles. There is no other way.

However you could run them through tsMuxeR and save with a blu-ray folder setting and burn to DVD disk and have a AVCHD disk that will play in the PS3 and some Blu-Ray players and it will take about 15 minutes to make the files.

Mike T

i.e. HD-EP30, or will you get "This disc is not DVD format. Cannot play the disc" for any HD format (UDF 2.5) content on a DVD+R :confused:

i.e. HD-EP30, or will you get "This disc is not DVD format. Cannot play the disc" for any HD format (UDF 2.5) content on a DVD+R :confused:

If you use the settings at the beginning of this thread, then it should work. I burn with Nero7 using X-Box compatability mode. I have hundreds of mpeg2 disks burned onto DVD+R and DVD+R DL and many H-264 encodes that I have made and they all play on my Toshiba HD-A2 and A30.

I author using Movie Factory 6+ with the HD plugin.

Mike T

Hmm ... still can't get it to work. What firmware are you using ?
What types of HD content are allowed in the HVDVD_TS folder, that can be succesfully burned to DVD+R by Nero 7 using X-box compability mode and played succesfully on Toshiba standalone player ?

Hmm ... still can't get it to work. What firmware are you using ?
What types of HD content are allowed in the HVDVD_TS folder, that can be succesfully burned to DVD+R by Nero 7 using X-box compability mode and played succesfully on Toshiba standalone player ?

Are you using MF6+? If so, when you start a new project you have to select "HD DVD Standard" for the Output disc type (and not "HD DVD Advanced").

I have a question, can anyone play their discs on an A3? I've tried burning my discs several ways using the instructions in the first post but I still get stuttering on my A3 (even with the latest firmware). They work flawless on my XA2 though (each and every one).

To all EP-30 owners, using the latest firmware (v3.003) my h264 encodes now work fine on dvd+r dual layer. Xbox compatibility mode and book type forced to dvd+r. I used megui's hddvd profile, h264info to change framerate to 29.97 and scenarist to author. With version 2 firmware I got this is not dvd format message. Hope this helps other frustrated owners who read about it working on the A3.

Hmm ... still can't get it to work. What firmware are you using ?
What types of HD content are allowed in the HVDVD_TS folder, that can be succesfully burned to DVD+R by Nero 7 using X-box compability mode and played succesfully on Toshiba standalone player ?

For HD-DVD playback I use a HD-A30 and sometimes an A2 with latest firmware.

Most of my mpeg2 disks are from OTA and cable so the bitrate is never over 19 mbps. I did try to encode some mpeg2 at high bitrates and I got some stuttering on playback when the bit rate was higher than 22 mbps.

I use MEGui with HD-DVD profile to make H-264 disks, and I see that the max bit rate is 24 mbps, but I have not had any stuttering problems with H-264. I author with MF6+ and if I add chapters both my players freeze at the 6-7 minute mark. If I skip ahead 2-3 chapters when I first start the disk and then re-start it does not freeze. Someone suggested using the HD-DVD advanced setting in MF6 but I have not been able to get any disk to play when doing that, mostly I just don't put in chapters and all is OK. This problem ONLY happens when the video is H-264, never any freezing with mpeg2 video. I did author a couple of H264 encodes with Scenarist and the disks also crashed if they had chapters.

The files are 1080i at 29.97 fps and 720P at 59.94 fps you cannot use 1080P at 23.976 fps. If the source is film then for H-264 encodes I de-interlace the file and then use H264info to add the pull down flags after encoding to make the file 1080i at 29.97 fps.

I burn all disks with Nero7 UDF using the X-Box compatability mode on DVD+R or DVD+R DL disks at slower than rated burn speed, usually 4X for 8X DL disks and book type set to physical disk.

Mike T

Has anyone tried making a single layer or dual layer HD DVD using MF6+ and the HD plugin from H264 ts files created by Hauppauge HD PVR for use in Toshiba A2 players?

From Danial and Barbara Sullinger Amazon review of the new Hauppauge HD PVR

"I do not like the issue that you have to make a menu
everytime, most the time I want the movie to start when I plug the
disc in, also for those HD DVD fans out there, once captured and
authored you can use movie factory 6 plus with the HD addon and make
HD DVD's from normal DVD's also."

I have been successfully making OTA, VideoRedo, HDPatch, MF6+, Nero 7 normal DVD-R and dual layer DVD-R for quite some time. I would like to use my Toshiba A2 on a second HDTV as a playback device for some of my recordings currently on my Motorola 6412 STB. I can use Hauppauge supplied Total Media Extreme to create AVCHD normal DVD-R and dual layer DVD-R for play back on my HTPC but I don't like having to click the menu it forces you to use, would like the ease of adding chapters that MF6+ provides and would like to free up the HTPC for making recordings rather than use it for playback as well.

I did try to encode some mpeg2 at high bitrates and I got some stuttering on playback when the bit rate was higher than 22 mbps. I use MEGui with HD-DVD profile to make H-264 disks, and I see that the max bit rate is 24 mbpsI don't understand this "max bitrate" thing. Intuitively it seems one ought to be able to make high bitrate programs just as HD DVD disks.

Is the reason simply that the DVD disk can't spin fast enough to feed higher bitrates???

I don't understand this "max bitrate" thing. Intuitively it seems one ought to be able to make high bitrate programs just as HD DVD disks.

Is the reason simply that the DVD disk can't spin fast enough to feed higher bitrates???

Yes, I think that the drive in the HD-DVD player does not spin the disk fast enough to get the higher bit rates to play smoothly.

Mike T

Yes, I think that the drive in the HD-DVD player does not spin the disk fast enough to get the higher bit rates to play smoothly.Thanks, Mike... bummer! :o

mtallent wrote: "The files are 1080i at 29.97 fps and 720P at 59.94 fps you cannot use 1080P at 23.976 fps."

Do you mean that this method does simply not work with 1080P content (if so, maybe that is why I couldn't get it to work with DVD+R on my EP-30) ?

mtallent wrote: "The files are 1080i at 29.97 fps and 720P at 59.94 fps you cannot use 1080P at 23.976 fps."

Do you mean that this method does simply not work with 1080P content (if so, maybe that is why I couldn't get it to work with DVD+R on my EP-30) ?

Thats my understanding of the HD-DVD format. I could not get Scenarist or MF6 to accept 1080P 23.976 files. When I added pulldown to make the file 29.97 interlaced, they worked fine. Adding the pulldown flags is quick and does not change the file size.

What program did you author the HD-DVD format that accepted a 1080P source file?

Mike T

All of the HD DVd's I make with MF6 have a black bar on the top and
bottom of the video when I play them back on my HD DVD player.My source files are Video: MPEG2 Video 1920x1080 29.97fps 38040Kbps [Video]
Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 384Kbps [Audio]
Subtitle: DVD Subpicture [Subtitle].They all look letterbox when played back.Does anyone know how to correct this?I am selecting 16:9 ratio in the setting on MF6.

All of the HD DVd's I make with MF6 have a black bar on the top and
bottom of the video when I play them back on my HD DVD player.My source files are Video: MPEG2 Video 1920x1080 29.97fps 38040Kbps [Video]
Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 384Kbps [Audio]
Subtitle: DVD Subpicture [Subtitle].They all look letterbox when played back.Does anyone know how to correct this?I am selecting 16:9 ratio in the setting on MF6.

I don't know what the file is, but if it is a movie file, then the letter boxing may be correct. The HDTV size of 16X9 is an aspect ratio of about 1.78 and most newer movies are 1.85 or 2.35 or 2.4 and all would have some black bars on top and bottom, with 2.4 having the largest bars.

Mike T

I don't know what the file is, but if it is a movie file, then the letter boxing may be correct. The HDTV size of 16X9 is an aspect ratio of about 1.78 and most newer movies are 1.85 or 2.35 or 2.4 and all would have some black bars on top and bottom, with 2.4 having the largest bars.

Mike TI had my aspect ratio set to 4:3 in my
HD DVD player.When I set it to 1080I it fix the problem.The file was
a live HD feed of the Olympic track and field trials i recorded off my
Cband dish.Did you notice how high the bitrate of the stream is?38 mb.The picture on the raw HD feeds are incredible.No compression at all.

I had my aspect ratio set to 4:3 in my
HD DVD player.When I set it to 1080I it fix the problem.The file was
a live HD feed of the Olympic track and field trials i recorded off my
Cband dish.Did you notice how high the bitrate of the stream is?38 mb.The picture on the raw HD feeds are incredible.No compression at all.

If that is the bit rated reported in the header info, it may not be the actual average or peak bit rate. For example the bit rate reported in the Showtime header on their HD channel is 80 mbps, but the peak is never higher than 17 mbps. I have not looked for any of these feeds on my 12 foot C-Band dish, but 38 mbps is still a lot less than the "un-compressed " bit rate which would be around 1485 mbps for 1080i. It is sad how the quality of HDTV has been reduced. My NBC station here runs 2 sub channels so the main HDTV feed rarely goes above 10-12 mbps.

Mike T

Anyone knows if MF6+ accept DTS audio tracks or PCM, along with a h264 video track?

Thanks.

Pitou!

Anyone knows if MF6+ accept DTS audio tracks or PCM, along with a h264 video track?

Thanks.

Pitou!

MF6 will accept an H-264 file if it is encoded to the HD-DVD profile. I have not tried DTS but I am pretty sure it will not work probably the same with PCM. If you look at the sound settings in MF6 I believe the input file must match one of those available in MF6 or it will re-encode it. It would not accept AC3 at a 576 kbps rate.

Mike T

I have not tried DTS but I am pretty sure it will not work probably the same with PCM.Maybe someone here who understands consumer HD camcorders can address this, because my guess is that MF6+ is oriented towards creation of discs from that source (camcorder) and not Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies, with all their many permutations of video and audio. Basing this on the "29.97fps" requirement, and the "gut feel" that Ulead doesn't want to get themselves in trouble with the "movie studio interests".

After update UDMF6 to HD pack i have v. 6.10.0194.6 (About Ulead DVD Movie Factory) and impossible to choose H264 template - only mpeg2 for HD DVD (advanced or standart - no matter)...

What vers. of UDMF6plus you, mtallent, have after updating with
HD pack ? Can you make screenshot DISC TEMPATE MANAGER -> COMPRESSION. Thank you.

Maybe someone here who understands consumer HD camcorders can address this, because my guess is that MF6+ is oriented towards creation of discs from that source (camcorder) and not Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies, with all their many permutations of video and audio. Basing this on the "29.97fps" requirement, and the "gut feel" that Ulead doesn't want to get themselves in trouble with the "movie studio interests".

It's my understanding that HD-DVD is very close to DVD authoring, and that HD-DVD format requires 29.97 (as does DVD) and will not accept 23.976, Scenarist will also only accept 29.97 for HD-DVD authoring, don't know about the PAL world. The disks I have made are from OTA or Cable sources.

I am sure the major use for MF6 is from camcorder sources and to keep the cost down and keep the choices simple then DTS sound and other variables are not needed.

Mike T