... my redlaser HD DVDs started working a whole lot better after the firmware upgrade.

and " ... the video a bit stuttery at beginning."

Doesn't sound like we are at perfection yet.

Sorry -- I did read your post that the E1 is the same as the A2. Thank you.

First thanks for putting this up. It sounds fantastic!

I successfully burned a disc that was recognized by the XBox 360 HD-DVD drive.

Problem is that the sounds is gone. All i hear is a buzzing noise. The first ten seconds of the film, which is just the film studio intro sequence, is fine. The audio of the movie itself, which is Dolby 5.1, is just buzzing. The film also felt like it was playing a little faster than usual. For reference, I was using the latest version of VideoReDo plus, along with MF 5+ and Nero 7. Any suggestions on why this is happenig? Tried the process twice with the same movie and got same result.

and " ... the video a bit stuttery at beginning." Doesn't sound like we are at perfection yet.
Eh, sorry, what? That quote is by "j666" who patched some 25fps content and is trying to play the result on a Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on. Hardly apples to apples :)

Any ideas what's going on?
Yes. You're using the wrong tools/apps. EVO-format is so new that neither Gspot nor VLC are equipped to handle it properly.

Yes. You're using the wrong tools/apps. EVO-format is so new that neither Gspot nor VLC are equipped to handle it properly.

Fine -- what application plays back EVO files?

I assume folks are trying to play their discs on their computers. Right?

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Originally Posted by pteittinen
... my redlaser HD DVDs started working a whole lot better after the firmware upgrade.

I'm happy they play "better" but it's not clear what you mean. Do they play with no stuttering?

Power DVD Ultra supports playback of HD-DVD and BD discs on your PC.

VLC can play back EVO files, but most often w/o audio.

Power DVD Ultra supports playback of HD-DVD and BD discs on your PC.
Ultra v7.2, yes, but you can only install either HD DVD or BD playback. That's just silly.

Ultra v7.2, yes, but you can only install either HD DVD or BD playback. That's just silly.

It took a while to figure out why I got the BD Edition.

1) rename the ____BD folder to anything.

2) rename the ____HD folder to ____BD

3) Now install and you'll get the HD Edition.

You'll likely get a warning about your graphics card (I'm running on a MBP 2), but dismiss it and the video should keep playing.

So my burned disc does have AC3 5.1 audio. My 1080i60 was encoded at 24Mbps so it's better than HDV.

I'll see if it plays in an A2 at BB today.

Ultra v7.2, yes, but you can only install either HD DVD or BD playback. That's just silly.
I agree, but considering that most people will only have one type of drive in their PC, it's a moot point for the vast majority of users. I don't know of very many HD-DVD or DB drives that are currently available for the PC at this point in time anyway.

finally got sum footage form my hdv hc1 to play had to convert the audio to ac3 and i patched the framerate to ntsc as it was 25 (pal) and the bitrate is 25mbps the video a bit stuttery at beginning but played good after a few minutes got about 20 mins but i think theres room for another 5 mins on the disc thanks for the guide folks oh playing on a x360 add onn

Hi!

For xBox360, there is no need to patch the fps from 25 to NTSC. It works even with h264 in 25fps.

Theres a Thread about this on doom9 in the advanced authoring section.

Too bad, The h264 HD-DVD Testimage did not work on the Toshiba HD-E1. pteittinen was so nice and tested it for me.
The disc was not recognized.

Thats leaving a few things to try out:
- maybe the size is too small to be recognized correctly by the player (I remember some issues with too small DVD-Videos, they had too be minimum 1 GB in size. I think this was in Nero)
- The x264 does not make a correct stream. In this case I think the E1 should at least recognize it but play jerk
- 25fps is not working by the E1. In this case I also think the E1 should have at least recognized it
- The Scenarist Authoring was wrong. I don´t think so, but possible. There were 2 warnings. I haven´t chosen a language for Disc and VTS.


For me, somebody with Toshiba E1/A2. Can somebody test to create a MPEG2 HD-DVD which is only 50 MBs in size and try it on the player? Thx.

Greetings

Hi!

For xBox360, there is no need to patch the fps from 25 to NTSC. It works even with h264 in 25fps.

Theres a Thread about this on doom9 in the advanced authoring section.

Too bad, The h264 HD-DVD Testimage did not work on the Toshiba HD-E1. pteittinen was so nice and tested it for me.
The disc was not recognized.

Thats leaving a few things to try out:
- maybe the size is too small to be recognized correctly by the player (I remember some issues with too small DVD-Videos, they had too be minimum 1 GB in size. I think this was in Nero)
- The x264 does not make a correct stream. In this case I think the E1 should at least recognize it but play jerk
- 25fps is not working by the E1. In this case I also think the E1 should have at least recognized it
- The Scenarist Authoring was wrong. I don´t think so, but possible. There were 2 warnings. I haven´t chosen a language for Disc and VTS.


For me, somebody with Toshiba E1/A2. Can somebody test to create a MPEG2 HD-DVD which is only 50 MBs in size and try it on the player? Thx.

Greetings
ill try it with unpatched next time but ive herad before that pal hdv footage is not supported on current hd dvd players

i cant seem to find the thread with h264 playback on the x360 add on can u give me a link

After checking my burn with PowerDVD and confirming it was perfect, it was time to test in an A2.

Went to BB. No demo system. BB claimed Tosh wouldn't pay for "space" so screw them. Sony and Samsung did -- so of course there were multiple demos. So I went to Ultimate.

Put my disc in -- the front panel said LOADING then HD DVD. Then it started playing. The AC3 sound played fine. But, with a completely BLACK pix!

Connected via HDMI. No error messages.

Then we noticed the A2 was totally locked-up. Yet the A2 was playing audio fine with an advancing TC. Power-switch wouldn't even work, so had to pull plug!

Tried again and the audio played fine for entire 10 minutes. But A2 was still locked the whole time.

1) What should the front panel say when a red-laser HD disc is playing? HD DVD was on. Any other indicators? What indicator shows it is playing AC3 5.1?

2) This demo unit likely had no firmware updates. Could this be the problem?

3) I burned to Sony 120M 4.7GB DVD-R. Others are using DVD-R.

4) I'm going to pickup some DVD+R today. But, I can't see why it should make a difference.

5) I'm also going to try 1080i60 with video at 18.5Mbps.

I don't know of very many HD-DVD or DB drives that are currently available for the PC at this point in time anyway.
There are plenty of BD burners out there, and for PC you can get the Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on drive.

- maybe the size is too small to be recognized correctly by the player (I remember some issues with too small DVD-Videos, they had too be minimum 1 GB in size. I think this was in Nero)
Used Nero in high-compatibility mode, so it burned 1GB on disc, didn't work.

- 25fps is not working by the E1. In this case I also think the E1 should have at least recognized it
Yeah, 25fps is not supported by A2/E1 yet, but it should have at least tried to play the disc.

Hi!

If one tries with a 50MB size NTSC-MPEG2-HD Video, and this works, I´ll provide a 50MB h264 NTSC HD Testimage. I want to rule this out first, before I continou trying with something else.

If somebody would be that nice, thx.

I heard, the A2/E1 also plays from DVD+RW, so that should be no problem.

Greetings.

With a H264 file, how do I make VideoRedo recognize it? I tried loading it and it tells me there is not mpeg stream in it. Can I use HDTV2Mpeg2 to make a mpeg2 out of it?

Well I found the problem.

MPEGstreamclip, which I use to create the PS stream (great app available on both PC and Mac) has two PS output options: No HEADER and HEADER.

HEADER places a Master Header at the top of the file so the entire file doesn't need to be processed. Bad choice.

By using the NO HEADER version, my 24Mbps 1080i60 file works fine. Now I have to see how high I can go. It would be nice to get to 25Mbps for the video encoding. Also going to try 25Mbps 720p30. This is D-VHS quality!

I noted the A2 box only lists DVD-R or DVD-RW -- not DVD+R. So I switched to Verbatim DVD-R.

Still have to check AC-3 audio playback.

With a H264 file, how do I make VideoRedo recognize it?
You can't.

Can I use HDTV2Mpeg2 to make a mpeg2 out of it?
No, you can't. AVC/H.264 is a totally different beast from MPEG2 and we need completely new tools to handle it.

I've got both 1080i60 at 24Mbps (video) and 720p30 at 18.5Mbps (video) working perfectly.

The 5.1 AC3 audio track is also working.

Next I will try both 1080i60 at 25Mbps (video) and 720p30 at 25Mbps (video). This should about a 27Mbps total data rate. And, equal to D-VHS and much better than HDV or ASC HD.

In theory, 1080i60 at 27Mbps (video) and 720p30 at 27Mbps (video) should be possible since that would max at 30Mbps. I don't think I'll push it.

Instead VBR would be better because that will pack more on a disc.

Reading the A2 manual -- it is very clear that only DVD-R and DVD-RW are supported. No mention of DVD+R or DVD+R DL. Amazing that some of you are getting +R to work.

PS: At these high MPEG-2 data rates, it's not clear that it's worth the time to encode HD to either AVC or VC-1. With any HDV camera anyone is likely to have, I really doubt there will be any improvment in quality. Of course, you can burn longer productions, but assuming DVD+R DL works -- with VBR I expect one can put an hour of 1080i on a DL disc. That seems enough to me.

Reading the A2 manual -- it is very clear that only DVD-R and DVD-RW are supported. No mention of DVD+R or DVD+R DL. Amazing that some of you are getting +R to work.

Not sure if it's the explanation, but Nero and other apps can burn +R identified as DVD-ROM for greater compatibility. I noticed that was happening by default on my +R DL burns.

Has anybody gotten MovieFactory or VideoStudio to take 1280x1080 files without re-encoding them? I cannot set that resolution in these programs, they only allow 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 :confused:

Has anybody gotten MovieFactory or VideoStudio to take 1280x1080 files without re-encoding them? I cannot set that resolution in these programs, they only allow 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 :confused:

Yes - that's the standard resolution for D* HD programming (well, 1280x1088) and MF/VS will process without re-encoding (if you patch headers from 1088 to 1080 - read the guide on page 1). You don't have to "set" the resolution in the program - as long as you check the box that tells MF/VS not to re-encode valid streams, it will process 1920, 1440 and 1280 without re-encoding. Make sure your vertical resolution is not 1088 - if it is, you'll need to patch to 1080.

Yes, I've burned over a dozen HD programs from DTV to DVD-R so far with no problems after using HDPatch. None of them have had to be re-encoded. In fact, it only took about 5-6 minutes to process each DVD compilation on my Athlon 64 X2 4200+ PC.

Chefkoch81 that file u sent me of h264 played fine on my xbox 360 add on (pal)

I'm capturing from Echostar and the file captures in 1280x1080 so I don't need to patch it. I have "do not convert compliant files" but it still tries to re-encode. I tried to patch it anyway but that didn't help. The only templates MovieFactory offers are 1480x1080 and 1920x1080. I've been trying to find out how I can match the resolution in the "user defined" box so maybe it won't re-encode but it's always grayed out.

I'm capturing from Echostar and the file captures in 1280x1080 so I don't need to patch it. I have "do not convert compliant files" but it still tries to re-encode. I tried to patch it anyway but that didn't help. The only templates MovieFactory offers are 1480x1080 and 1920x1080. I've been trying to find out how I can match the resolution in the "user defined" box so maybe it won't re-encode but it's always grayed out.

yeah u will need to patch it to 1480x1080 or 1920x1080 unless moviefact does accept 1280x1080 streams is ur version of moviefactory or studio new or old?

Yes - that's the standard resolution for D* HD programming (well, 1280x1088) and MF/VS will process without re-encoding (if you patch headers from 1088 to 1080 - read the guide on page 1). You don't have to "set" the resolution in the program - as long as you check the box that tells MF/VS not to re-encode valid streams, it will process 1920, 1440 and 1280 without re-encoding. Make sure your vertical resolution is not 1088 - if it is, you'll need to patch to 1080.

Hi, texmex!

Where ya been? Good to see you post again.

yeah u will need to patch it to 1480x1080 or 1920x1080 unless moviefact does accept 1280x1080 streams is ur version of moviefactory or studio new or old?


They are new. Do you know how to go on about patching so it looks like 1480x1080 to Moviefactory? Also, my card can capture in mpg and ts, if my card is not capturing compliant files correctly is it better to capture in .ts so I have a better chance of fixing it?

I dont know if its been mentioned before but I tried burning an HD-DVD as Man ual Settings UDF 2.50 (Physical Partition) in Nero 7.5.9.0 instead of Xbox Compatibility and it seems to read back better. The 2 disks I burnt this way have no noticable stuttering, one 1080i and one 720p. I need to probably try a few more to be sure but so far so good. Thats on the X-Box 360 HD-DVD drive.

Are these videos that did have a stuttering problem when burned with xbox mode on?

They are new. Do you know how to go on about patching so it looks like 1480x1080 to Moviefactory? Also, my card can capture in mpg and ts, if my card is not capturing compliant files correctly is it better to capture in .ts so I have a better chance of fixing it?
use hdpatch instructions on first page of this thread

Are these videos that did have a stuttering problem when burned with xbox mode on?
i dont have an option of usf 2.50 on nero is this only on new versions?

i dont have an option of usf 2.50 on nero is this only on new versions?
Only on new(er) versions, yes.

I believe the XBox compatibility mode has been available as an option since Nero version 5.

Using UDF 2.50 in custom settings instead of Xbox compatibility also helped my stuttering issues. Worth a try for those who have the option.

Using UDF 2.50 in custom settings instead of Xbox compatibility also helped my stuttering issues. Worth a try for those who have the option.

HUH

Same video, same everything except I choose UDF 2.50 in custom settings instead of Xbox compatibility and I get nothing but a black screen with 360 addon

I found this thread just yesterday but have spend many hours trying to sort this out.

My source - 8g .TS movie file, downloaded as multiple .ts files and previously joined with HDTVtoMPEG2

Programs - Ulead DMF 5.30.0107
HDPatch 0.3.01
Mpeg2VCR V3.14
Video Redo plus V 2.5.3.501

I've tried just about all combinations of the above programs but can never get DMF to accept the created mpg file without re-encoding. I only have a single layer DVD burning atm so am splitting the movie in half using videoredo, the resultant file is just under 4g ( for each half of the movie obviously ), yet DMF always reports the file as 6g+, which I understand is a bad sign. It doesn't seem to matter how much pre-processing I do with HD patch and mpeg2vcr, it is still reported as 6g and results in a re-encode in DMF. I have follwed the guide at the start of this thread to the letter.

I've been going around in cirlces for 2 days straight now, anyone have any sugestions?

thanks in advance

Kev

What's the resolution of the .ts file you're using? You can check it using VideoReDo. If it's a non-standard resolution then that may be your problem.

What's the resolution of the .ts file you're using? You can check it using VideoReDo. If it's a non-standard resolution then that may be your problem.

Here's the program info from videoredo, I don't think there is anything non standard there. This is the file before splitting with videoredo.

File Size: 8408101472 ( 7.83 GB )
Program Duration: 01:36:45.28
File Type: TS Stream
Encoding: MPEG 2
Video stream Id: 17 (x11)
Encoding Dimensions: 1920 x 1080
Display Size: 1920 x 1080
Aspect Ratio: 16/9
Frame Rate: 29.97 FPS
Bit Rate: 14.000 Mbps
VBV_Buffer: 976 KB
Profile: Main/High
Progressive: Prog or Int
Chroma: 4:2:0
Audio Format: 2.0
Audio Stream Id: AC3: 20 (x14)
Audio Bit Rate: 384 Kbps
Audio Sampling Rate: 48000 Hz

Thanks

Kev

looks to me the files are compliant for MF5.

It may be a silly question to ask, you did have the "do NOT convert mpeg compliant file.." option checked in Ulead, didn't you?

looks to me the files are compliant for MF5.

It may be a silly question to ask, you did have the "do NOT convert mpeg compliant file.." option checked in Ulead, didn't you?

Yes.

HUH

Same video, same everything except I choose UDF 2.50 in custom settings instead of Xbox compatibility and I get nothing but a black screen with 360 addon

All I can tell you is that the UDF 2.50 setting works perfectly on my Xbox 360 and avoids most of the stutter problems I had using Xbox compatibility mode.

This may sound stupid but did you select HD-DVD as the type of project you wish to create in MF5? I believe the default setting is DVD and you need to select HD-DVD each time you start a new project. This would definitely cause your files to re-encode every time you compile the fileset.

This may sound stupid but did you select HD-DVD as the type of project you wish to create in MF5? I believe the default setting is DVD and you need to select HD-DVD each time you start a new project. This would definitely cause your files to re-encode every time you compile the fileset.

Yes I'm creating a HD DVD project. Actually I think I found the problem. I just went into preferences and mpeg settings was set at 1440 x whatever, not the same resolution as my file :mad: . Seems a basic mistake to make but it isn't mentioned in the guide, I just stumbled across it. The file was handled correctly by DMF, I am burning it now.

If all works well I will be buying a dual layer burner, are there any recommended models/media for successful playback on a 360 HD DVD?

Thanks for the help so far.

The MPEG setting found in preferences should actually apply only when you're importing a non-compliant file. Odd, that.

All I can tell you is that the UDF 2.50 setting works perfectly on my Xbox 360 and avoids most of the stutter problems I had using Xbox compatibility mode.
I also am not able to use UDF 2.50 - nothing will play if I use that format. Perhaps there is some other setting you've got that I do not? Can you tell me what software you're using (if any) on your PC to be able to play those files. If I install Vista will I be able to play them?

Yes I'm creating a HD DVD project. Actually I think I found the problem. I just went into preferences and mpeg settings was set at 1440 x whatever, not the same resolution as my file :mad: . Seems a basic mistake to make but it isn't mentioned in the guide, I just stumbled across it. The file was handled correctly by DMF, I am burning it now.

If all works well I will be buying a dual layer burner, are there any recommended models/media for successful playback on a 360 HD DVD?

Thanks for the help so far.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think those mpeg settings matter if you have the “Do not convert compliant MPEG files” box checked. What does matter is whether DMF considers the file compliant, and that's where HDPatch can be your friend.

I kept having problems because the 1080i shows I recorded OTA were identified in VideoReDo as having a bitrate of 45Mbps. Patching them to 20Mbps took just a second and didn't change anything but the header, yet all the files that had either locked up DMF or resulted in an excrutiatingly long recode were now working like a charm.
As for burners, the NECs are cheap and do well with DL. I'm not sure what the latest model is. Mine is a 3520 and it plays nice with a variety of media.

Ok, I successfully burned the movie to disc, it plays in the 360 addon and the picture is great. However I have a stutter in the frame rate approximately every second. By the sound of it I'm far from the only one getting this. Without reading back through 44 pages of this thread, is there a way around this?

Thanks again for the help and advice.

No way around the stutter issue as far as I know, at least w/high bitrate MPGs. There is no stutter on first gen players like the A1, D1 or XA1. I'm hoping the new firmware for my Toshiba HD-A2 will resolve this. I'll also test the Nero UDF 2.50 setting that wittangamo mentions works for his Xbox 360. You shouldn't be getting any stutter w/lower bitrate MPGs, like the 14mbps material from DishHD.

Ok, I successfully burned the movie to disc, it plays in the 360 addon and the picture is great. However I have a stutter in the frame rate approximately every second. By the sound of it I'm far from the only one getting this. Without reading back through 44 pages of this thread, is there a way around this?

Thanks again for the help and advice.

You don't have to read back 44 pages, just a few posts prior to your own.

In the original guide, it suggests checking the Xbox compatibility box. But there is a custom setting that allows you to chose UDF 2.50. Picking that one reduced the stuttering for me. YMMV.

Regarding my previous post about changing mpeg settings, they definately affect the output of DMF, I just tried changing the resolution and from NTSC to PAL and you can see the effect this has on the file size. It seems to me that the mpeg compliance they are refering to with the tick box is about the input file being the same as the output settings, i.e. whatever you set in the mpeg settings. Try it, change the mpeg settings and ok them and see the difference this makes to the file size, and therefore the encoding time.

Not sure how to get over the frame rate problem though, the file is 30fps and I'm leaving it as such, and I have my xbox set to pal 60, yet I get the difference in framerate stutter when playing back.

Regarding my previous post about changing mpeg settings, they definately affect the output of DMF, I just tried changing the resolution and from NTSC to PAL and you can see the effect this has on the file size. It seems to me that the mpeg compliance they are refering to with the tick box is about the input file being the same as the output settings, i.e. whatever you set in the mpeg settings. Try it, change the mpeg settings and ok them and see the difference this makes to the file size, and therefore the encoding time.

Not sure how to get over the frame rate problem though, the file is 30fps and I'm leaving it as such, and I have my xbox set to pal 60, yet I get the difference in framerate stutter when playing back.

I have tried it. In fact I just did it again to verify.

If the box is checked and the file is complaint, there is no added processing time. It doesn't matter whether I change the video format, audio format or compression settings -- it makes no difference whether they match the original or not. If the file is compliant and the box is checked DMF doesn't do any recoding.

No way around the stutter issue as far as I know, at least w/high bitrate MPGs. There is no stutter on first gen players like the A1, D1 or XA1. I'm hoping the new firmware for my Toshiba HD-A2 will resolve this. I'll also test the Nero UDF 2.50 setting that wittangamo mentions works for his Xbox 360. You shouldn't be getting any stutter w/lower bitrate MPGs, like the 14mbps material from DishHD.

It's also possible to set a max bitrate in VideoReDo. That takes more processing time, but might be a better fix for those having stutter than simply cheating by patching the header.

Common sense tells me that firmware differences would affect UDF 2.50 compatibility, so that setting might not be a cure for every player. It does help my Xbox.

I have tried it. In fact I just did it again to verify.

If the box is checked and the file is complaint, there is no added processing time. It doesn't matter whether I change the video format, audio format or compression settings -- it makes no difference whether they match the original or not. If the file is compliant and the box is checked DMF doesn't do any recoding.

Something strange going on here :rolleyes: . Just triple checked, the resolution doesn't make any difference in the mpeg settings but the ntsc/pal setting does. I was half right :) . Sorry for the confussion, I just thought as I was confused you all may as well be! :D

Something strange going on here :rolleyes: . Just triple checked, the resolution doen't make any difference in the mpeg settings but the ntsc/pal setting does. I was half right :) . Sorry for the confussion, I just thought as I was confused you all may as well be! :D

No problem. I figured it was a PAL thing, that was the one setting I never had any reason to try.

Ok, I successfully burned the movie to disc, it plays in the 360 addon and the picture is great. However I have a stutter in the frame rate approximately every second. By the sound of it I'm far from the only one getting this. Without reading back through 44 pages of this thread, is there a way around this?

Thanks again for the help and advice.


I have a disc that has a 15 average and a 19 peek and it runs perfect and another that averages 9 and peaks at 11 that stutters.

both the same size (29.97 1080i), only difference was the one that works great had AC3 2.0 and the one that did not was AC3 5.1

It's also possible to set a max bitrate in VideoReDo. That takes more processing time, but might be a better fix for those having stutter than simply cheating by patching the header.
This doesn't work, at least for me. You can even patch the header w/HDPatch (free tool by texmex in the first post); stuttering remains.

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However I have a stutter in the frame rate approximately every second.
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The stutter could be in the source file. Have you played it on your PC?

Edit - I have a file that has glitches on my HD A1 that actually appears to play fine on my PC. However, when I step through it with VideoReDo, I do see corrupted frames in the source.

Use VRDs 'quick stream fix' feature to convert TS to MPG and see if MF5 likes that better.

The stutter could be in the source file. Have you played it on your PC?

Edit - I have a file that has glitches on my HD A1 that actually appears to play fine on my PC. However, when I step through it with VideoReDo, I do see corrupted frames in the source.

I have already watched the whole movie, streamed through xbox 360 media centre extender. The movie played back faultlessly this way, as do all my other movies. I know I'm new to this having only started trying to create HD DVDr's yesterday, but this stuttering looks to me like the frame rate difference between pal/ntsc. I've seen this exact effect before, when I used to convert downloaded ntsc .avi files into mpeg. I was converting to pal, not realising that the source was ntsc. The result was a movie that would stutter every second. When I realised this I left the file as ntsc while converting and the result was perfectly smooth movie playback. Now I can't say that it is definately this, but it does look exactly the same as it, stuttering every second and more noticeable when there is movement onscreen. Saying that, I am leaving an NTSC file as NTSC, and playing back on an xbox 360 set to 1080i/60hz so I don't know why its still stuttering.

All my red laser HD DVDs stutter and glitch on the X360. Same discs work flawlessly on A1, XA1 and E1. I've said this before: it's a bug within the X360 OS. It's not a problem with the drive, because same discs work fine on the same drive when attached to PC.

That's weird. I took three discs I made to a buddy's and they all played flawlessly on his X360. Could be the bitrate, they were all sat. broadcasts.

All my red laser HD DVDs stutter and glitch on the X360. Same discs work flawlessly on A1, XA1 and E1. I've said this before: it's a bug within the X360 OS. It's not a problem with the drive, because same discs work fine on the same drive when attached to PC.
Does the Xbox 360 media center extender allow you to play a red laser HD DVD from the drive when the drive is attached to the PC?.

Heads up: Memorex DVD+R 2.4X Double Layer 25-pack Spindle is $29.99 at buy.com. Best price I've seen for DLs.

All my red laser HD DVDs stutter and glitch on the X360. Same discs work flawlessly on A1, XA1 and E1. I've said this before: it's a bug within the X360 OS. It's not a problem with the drive, because same discs work fine on the same drive when attached to PC.

It's impossible to generalize based on the experience of one user. My 360 plays red laser HD DVDs without stuttering since I switched from Xbox compatibility mode to the UDF 2.50 custom setting as suggested by another poster.

That same setting apparently has not cured the problem for others. There is such a wide variety of displays, setups, authoring techniques, software, media, etc. that we need to be careful about making blanket statements.

If all red laser discs stutter on your Xbox but not on mine, I can't see how it could be a bug in the OS. We've also had conflicting reports on stuttering on the the Toshiba drives you mention with various firmware revisions.

All we can do is exchange information in hopes of finding out what works through a process of elimination.

Heads up: Memorex DVD+R 2.4X Double Layer 25-pack Spindle is $29.99 at buy.com. Best price I've seen for DLs.

Memorex sucks. Don't buy them.

Best Buy is having a sale on Verbatim coming up. Those are the only ones you should buy.

The stuttering that you are talking about, is it just in the video or is it both audio and video? Example: the pic slows or becomes choppy but the audio plays just fine. I was having this problem with some .ts files (1080i). I seems that the 360 had a hard time deinterlacing.

When I play the .ts on the computer I noticed the interlace lines (such as HDNet recordings more than others). When I played back a HD DVD authored HDNet recording on my Xbox 360 add-on the picture would stutter where the interlace lines were, basically the movement of characters, cars, etc would stutter. I rencoded the video with TMPGEnc 1080i to progressive and it played back w/ no problems on computer and 360. Some 1080i recordings i've noticed no interlace lines on computer playback and it is flawless on the Xbox 360. Now i always have to check for interlace lines before creating the HD DVD.

Memorex sucks. Don't buy them.

Best Buy is having a sale on Verbatim coming up. Those are the only ones you should buy.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I never had any issues w/Memorex DLs. I agree Verbatims are better though, faster burns anyway. I use an NEC 3520 & a 3550 DVD burner.

...the picture would stutter where the interlace lines were...
Could be, but I think it has to do w/the HD DVD drive not being able to spin high-bitrate DVDs used as HD DVDs fast enough. When I look at the LED on my A2, I can see the seconds counting up skipping digits. Just a theory. I think the A1/XA1 behaved more like a computer, so could be why it played red-laser HD DVDs better. Better buffering maybe.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I never had any issues w/Memorex DLs. I agree Verbatims are better though, faster burns anyway. I use an NEC 3520 & a 3550 DVD burner.


I almost always use Memorex DL discs. I haven't had any significant issues with them. I suspect the burner is more often the problem. With some of the burners I've owned, I couldn't get a good burn on any DL disc. I've had no such issues with my Mad Dog (NEC) and Plextor burners. Single layer discs are much less of a problem. I have success with all the single layer burners I own.

Same here. Memorex DL has been flawless on my Toshi A1. Just order 25 spindle from buy.com. Thanks Brajesh.
I guess it does depend more on the burner. I use the cheap Sony.

I've heard it has more to do with the quality of the discs. Because of DVDtalk and dvdrhelp, I've NEVER used them.

I don't use anything but Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs for anything worth saving. The Taiyo Yudens are the best I've ever seen and are relatively inexpensive when bought in spindles of 100 or more. Several online vendors sell them, such as AllMediaOutlet, SuperMediaStore, and Shop4Tech, just to name a few. Verbatims are the only retail discs I'd consider using, but I'd still get them online since you can always get a better deal, especially when buying in bulk.

If all red laser discs stutter on your Xbox but not on mine, I can't see how it could be a bug in the OS.
Simple. Different versions of OS. I haven't updated my X360 in a while, so it's lacking the latest dashboard updates.

For you guys creating HD-DVD's with HD cable/DBS/OTA recordings on to DL-DVD media, are you recording to 2 disks or are you re-encoding to get the file to fit? While a one hour program like 24 with commercials edited out will easily fit on a single DL-DVD, most movies with null packets stripped are still ~9-12GB with some certainly larger. Re-encoding seems to defeat the whole purpose of having the HD recording in the first place, especially for a DBS recording which is already relatively bit starved.

Well I'm just intending to write to 1 DL disc the movies that will fit. Thats probably about 1/4 of the movies I have. I won't be re-encoding.

Splitting over 2 DLs or a DL+SL. Feels like the laserdisc days to me. I don't mind the disc change much.

Splitting over 2 DLs or a DL+SL. Feels like the laserdisc days to me. I don't mind the disc change much.

I've done it for a couple of movies, but I really don't like changing discs, so my plan is to wait until HD DVD's come down in price. I'll be able to burn most of the movies I've captured when single layer HD DVD recordables become reasonable (assuming that ever happens). I still have some laserdiscs in the basement, gathering dust. I loved that format (except for the flipping).

On another note, I actually got one of my Pioneer burners to burn a DL disc that played back in my A2 today. That's a first. It was a Memorex, as usual, and it played back flawlessly. Shocked the heck out of me.

Could be, but I think it has to do w/the HD DVD drive not being able to spin high-bitrate DVDs used as HD DVDs fast enough. When I look at the LED on my A2, I can see the seconds counting up skipping digits. Just a theory. I think the A1/XA1 behaved more like a computer, so could be why it played red-laser HD DVDs better. Better buffering maybe.

Same video that stutters on 360 works perfect on PC using the same 360 addon drive

Same video that stutters on 360 works perfect on PC using the same 360 addon drive
Indeed. This whole "360 add-on not able to spin the disc fast enough" notion has been debunked several times.

If you import a Transport Stream -- made from HDV -- file into MF5P, the Video Elementary Stream will be compliant but the Audio Elementary Stream will not be.

The audio is MP2.

Will MF5P recode only the MP2 to stereo AC-3 while leaving the video alone?

I've never tried DL discs, mainly because they're mostly available in +R format and I have yet to own a DVD player that likes +R discs. I also don't find then cost effective to justify the inflated cost vs. using two single layer DVD-R discs. I'm an old laser disc fan so changing discs is no big deal for me. Besides, I need an excuse to get my butt out of my recliner once in a while. :D A single layer DVD-R is good for about 40 minutes of HD video, which is comparable to an edited 1-hour TV show sans commercials. It's like a built-in intermission and gives me an excuse to grab another beer out of the fridge while I'm up (I just have to stay away from epic-length movies, if you get my drift). ;)

I have yet to record an HD movie that will allow me to use a single disc, even with a DL disc's capacity. So far, everything in HD that I've recorded to DVD-R has required anywhere from 2 to 4 SL discs. It's only a matter of time before someone markets an HD-DVD changer anyway which will render the multi-disc scenario moot.

Will MF5P recode only the MP2 to stereo AC-3 while leaving the video alone?
Yes. That's what happens w/my Sony HC3 footage.

I've never tried DL discs, mainly because they're mostly available in +R format and I have yet to own a DVD player that likes +R discs.
Capt'n-
You should be able to play any +R disk on any DVD player, if it has been created with the correct Book Type. Most DVD burners allow you to set a bit flag that makes +R disks appear to be DVD-ROM; this is called bitsetting and is used to set the Book Type to DVD-ROM. All DVD players accept can play all disks with a Book Type of DVD-ROM, since that is what all commercially produced DVDs are supposed to be.

The DVD burner that came with my Gateway computer says it does not support bitsetting, but Nero is able to set it anyway. I replaced it with a NEC 3550 anyway. Early DVD burners may not set the bit and I've heard that Sony DVD burners will not set it, but I have yet to have a problem.

BTW I agree that it is not a big deal needing to get up and swap DVDs. It is just that I'd prefer to do it once in a show and not two or three times. Also, it makes it *much* easier to split if you can put the first 110 minutes or so on the first disk (DL) and the rest on the second. You can actually look for a logical place to split the show instead of trying to figure out how to most efficiently use disk space to minimize the number of disks (heaven forbid if you need to use 4 disks to store a 12 GB show).

I've never burned any +R discs myself. I just know that any discs given to me that have been +R simply will not play on the majority of DVD players I've ever owned or used, whereas I've never had a player NOT play a -R disc. Numerous manufacturers have stated that their players are not compatible with the +R format, as there are also those that will not play the -R variety. The types of discs they will play are clearly stated in the player's specs.

Thanks for the info on bitsetting with Nero. Can you expand on this and let me know how to set this up when burning a +R disc? I'd try some +R DL discs if I knew they would play back on my player.

I'm amazed at how many high end DVD players are not set up to play +R discs, especially when considering the proliferation of the format. I'm also amazed at how many late model players are simply brain dead when it comes to resuming playback of a disc once it's been removed from the player. My old Sony could remember about 20-30 discs and would resume at the exact same spot as long as the number of discs played in between was not excessive. Most players today omit this feature that was once commonplace and found on even the most inexpensive models.

I've never burned any +R discs myself

Let's assume I believe Toshiba when they say only -R. Are the -R DL's available?

If so, why are folks pushing their luck with +R DL when it might be safer to use -R DL?

http://bobkart.gt3times.com/DVD-R-DL.jpg

I've yet to burn an HD DVD to a DL disc, single layer is fine for me.

I'm only using it for camcorder HDV video, I don't mind using three discs per hour of video.

Those Verbatims I use on my Pioneer 633, it won't burn DVD+R DLs. Unfortunately they are about twice the price of the DVD+R DLs.

Let's assume I believe Toshiba when they say only -R. Are the -R DL's available?

If so, why are folks pushing their luck with +R DL when it might be safer to use -R DL?

I've never seen a -R DL disc for sale at any of the regular outlets locally. As to pushing it, I have yet to have an issue with any +R or +R DL disc I've used, except for the occasional bad burn. Playback has been very solid. I've burned both -R and +R and I can't detect any difference in playback quality between the two.

Let's assume I believe Toshiba when they say only -R. Are the -R DL's available?

If so, why are folks pushing their luck with +R DL when it might be safer to use -R DL?

$$$ +Rs are cheaper

Thanks for the info on bitsetting with Nero. Can you expand on this and let me know how to set this up when burning a +R disc? I'd try some +R DL discs if I knew they would play back on my player.
Google 'DVD Bitsetting' and you'll find lots of info. Here are a few links I found useful or informative:

http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Increased-compatibility-DVD-bitsetting.html

or

http://www.dvdplusrw.org/Article.asp?mid=0&sid=2&aid=44
(this link specifically talks about Nero, but an older version)

Note that if you put a DVD+R disk in your drive and look at Nero's Disk Info, current versions will tell you the Book Type is DVD-ROM... Nero apparently always sets this automatically for +R or +RW media.

Thanks for the info on bitsetting. I may break down and try a few +R discs to see how they work in my players. It certainly explains why +R discs never played in my players before.

-R DL discs are still pretty scarce and much more expensive than +R DL's. I've only seen the -R DL discs at a few online sites and they go for about the same price as +R DL discs when they were first introduced (around $4-5 apiece).

$$$ +Rs are cheaper
This is not usually the case but it also depends on where you buy them. I get my Taiyo Yudens online and they have always been cheaper than +R discs of a comparable type. I get the inkjet printable discs to use with my Epson R300 printer so I can print labels directly on the disc.

For example, a 100-pk spindle of Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+R white inkjet printable discs at SuperMediaStore costs $47.99 with free shipping.

A 100-pk spindle of Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R white inkjet printable discs (Premium Line) at the same site costs $39.99.

$8 for the same size spindle is a considerable difference in cost. Both of the above are sale prices but I almost always find the DVD-R discs to be less expensive than their +R counterparts, except for DL discs. I always buy in bulk from online vendors because you can't find better quality than Taiyo Yudens and most retailers don't carry them.

Thanks for the info on bitsetting. I may break down and try a few +R discs to see how they work in my players. It certainly explains why +R discs never played in my players before.

-R DL discs are still pretty scarce and much more expensive than +R DL's. I've only seen the -R DL discs at a few online sites and they go for about the same price as +R DL discs when they were first introduced (around $4-5 apiece).


This is not usually the case but it also depends on where you buy them. I get my Taiyo Yudens online and they have always been cheaper than +R discs of a comparable type. I get the inkjet printable discs to use with my Epson R300 printer so I can print labels directly on the disc.

For example, a 100-pk spindle of Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+R white inkjet printable discs at SuperMediaStore costs $47.99 with free shipping.

A 100-pk spindle of Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R white inkjet printable discs (Premium Line) at the same site costs $39.99.

$8 for the same size spindle is a considerable difference in cost. Both of the above are sale prices but I almost always find the DVD-R discs to be less expensive than their +R counterparts, except for DL discs. I always buy in bulk from online vendors because you can't find better quality than Taiyo Yudens and most retailers don't carry them.

Sorry, I should have been more specific.... I was referring to DVD+R DL discs

I always buy in bulk from online vendors because you can't find better quality than Taiyo Yudens and most retailers don't carry them.
Actually, Maxell's factory in Japan produces even better quality media than TY.

Nero Digital Information (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=88775)

Coming updates:
-HD-DVD, Blu Ray BDMV and AVCHD authoring support in NeroVision (using NeroDigital's AVC video codec)

...
A 100-pk spindle of Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R white inkjet printable discs (Premium Line) at the same site costs $39.99.
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There is a sale on TDK DVD-R/+R disks at costco starting tomorrow. 100-pk spindle for $19.99. Not bad.

The prices I quoted were for inkjet printable discs, which are always more expensive. They're cheaper than using Lightscribe discs and allow you to print directly to the disc for a professional look. Disc and DVD cover art are available for download at several websites if you look around. I stopped using printable labels a long time ago after hearing many of the horror stories associated with labels coming loose in a player. :eek:

Actually, Maxell's factory in Japan produces even better quality media than TY.
Based on past experience with Maxell optical media I think I'll pass. Taiyo Yudens have provided excellent results for me in the past and have surpassed all other brands I've tried in terms of quality (i.e., fewest glitches and dropouts).

Updated my Toshiba HD-A2 to the new v1.2 firmware & the playback of homemade HD DVDs is the same. The video/audio stutter of high bitrate stuff remains :(. Guess I'll have to continue holding on to my HD-XA1; was hoping I could sell that.

I don't believe that stutter has anything to do with high bit rate. First of all I tried all suggested work arounds. Tried burning using different brands of media, same results. On some titles I experienced no problems at all. One title had stuttering 20 seconds into playing so I tried to move it out from rim by placing it out from middle of hub, used a folder _HOLD which contained 1 even up to 2GB of data and it still stuttered. Played ok on PC. Watched it with WINDVD displaying Info while playing and noticed that eveywhere that stuttering occured (on xbox 360) that the video went from MPEG to MPEG Interlaced. I demuxed the mpeg file and ran it thru RESTREAM checking the Progressive box, burned it to dvd using Movie Factory 5 and Nero. When playing back on PC, Video would only display as MPEG due to checking the Progressive Box in Restream. When playing on XBOX 360 the stuttering was now gone. On all titles that I had previously expierenced stuttering. The only problem is that where there is fast action scenes I see combing effect due to Interlacing. My conclusion is that at least on the XBOX 360, stuttering is due to the inability of the XBOX to handle Hybrid Video. If video is either all interlaced or all progressive I have no stuttering problems at all.

Ron, I am using the Xbox 360 add on and I had the exact same problem. I thought it was the media so I tried so many different DVD+/-Rs. Then looking at the video more indepth I noticed that it was the interlace causing the problem. Encoded the same video through TMPGEnc set it to progressive and the video plays perfect. Thanks for the post I we can't be the only ppl that noticed the problem!

...I demuxed the mpeg file and ran it thru RESTREAM checking the Progressive box...Ron, I'm assuming you mean this tool (http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=Restream). So, you just check the 'Frametype progressive' box? Nothing else? Thanks.
Encoded the same video through TMPGEnc set it to progressive and the video plays perfect.Rob, did you use TMPGEnc DVD Author or MPEG Editor? Thanks.

Also, I'm wondering if there's any way to fix already authored HD DVDs for which I no longer have the original TS or MPG files? Do these tools accept EVO files?

Ron, how do you do this? Which tool(s)? Thanks.
Rob, did you use TMPGEnc DVD Author or MPEG Editor? Thanks.

Also, I'm wondering if there's any way to fix already authored HD DVDs for which I no longer have the original TS or MPG files? Do these tools accept EVO files?

Brajesh, I used the mpeg tools part of TMPGEnc to demux and to mux. After demuxing I used restream to change the headers to Progressive even though the stream is really Hybrid. Then remuxed back to mpeg. Like I said the stuttering was all eliminated but with combing effect in some of the fast action scenes previously flagged as interlaced.

Brajesh, I used the mpeg tools part of TMPGEnc to demux and to mux. After demuxing I used restream to change the headers to Progressive even though the stream is really Hybrid. Then remuxed back to mpeg. Like I said the stuttering was all eliminated but with combing effect in some of the fast action scenes previously flagged as interlaced.
Brajesh, Sorry I forgot to reply to the 2nd question on EVO files. I found that they are no different than .vob files so I just renamed them to .vob and you can use anything (dos copy or VideoRedo to name a few to join them) You can also rename .vob files to .mpg. Seems to work the same for me.

Until now I was reencoding the orignal .ts (demuxed to elementary w/ videoredo) with TMPGEnc Xpress 4. This process took a while (4+ hours) but usually just let it run over night. That solved the problems w/ the stutter in playback.

When I played the .ts in PowerDVD every movement (characters objects etc) you could see the interlace lines. This would always cause problems if I didn't reencode with a progressive setting (TMPGEnc). The final result was a MPEG2 file with no interlace so no lines in PowerDVD and flawless playback on Xbox 360 HDDVD.

After reading Ron's post I sent the same video that stuttered on my Xbox 360 through restream and the result (played on PowerDVD) still showed the interlace lines w/ the movement but I burned it anyway.

The end result was a perfect playback on Xbox 360 HDDVD so I orignally thought that the Xbox 360 could not handle the deinterlacing (so i reencoded every video... argh) but it seems that it does not like the Hybrid Video. I'll keep testing but thanks for the info! hope this helps!

Thanks guys. I'll try an experiment by simply taking an HD DVD I authored before that stutters on my A2, copying the files back to my PC, then use RESTREAM to patch all the EVO files to 'progressive', then simply burn a new disc.

They're getting close to generating a valid VC1 Elementary Stream over on Doom-9. Also potentially very helpful is the work going on with BackupHDDVD. So, if anyone reading here has successfully ripped an HDDVD, and has access to a *.MAP file (that I can analyze), I might be able to get really close to authoring a VC-1 HD-DVD (on red laser DVD of course). Just need to figure out the structure of that *.MAP wrapper... PM me if you think you can help - I need the MAP!

texmex

I'm trying to work out a path from FCP. I have two export options:

1) Export via Compressor -- as .ac3 and .m2v. MF5P will import the .m2v but not the .ac3 (as added audio). Yet VLC plays the .ac3 file with no problem.

Used VLC to convert AC3 to MPEG (which is in fact MP2), MP3, and a/52. MF5P will not import any of them (as added audio).

Used MPEGstream to mux .m2v and MPEG (MP2) to PS. Imports and plays fine in MF5P. No conversion during output so the audio should stay MP2. No audio when played in my A2.

2) Export via Compressor -- as stereo .aiff and .m2v. Used MPEGstream to mux clips to PS. Imports and plays fine in MF5P. No conversion during output so the audio should stay stereo PCM. No audio when played in my A2

Will the A2 not play MP2 or LPCM? If they won't -- why does MF5P consider them "complient" and not convert them?

Is there any way to force MF5P to convert only the audio to .ac3? It's fine that it will be stereo because that's what the FCP audio is.

Or, put another way -- if MF5P considers MP2 and stereo PCM compliant -- what does it consider non-compliant?

I'm still surprised that it refused to import MP3. This would seem to be the perfect choice as it is non-complient on most DVD players and should trigger a conversion. Yet, so much MP3 is used on computers.

I'm trying to work out a path from FCP. I have two export options:

1) Export via Compressor -- as .ac3 and .m2v. MF5P will import the .m2v but not the .ac3 (as added audio). Yet VLC plays the .ac3 file with no problem.

Used MPEGstream to mux .m2v and MPEG (MP2) to PS. Imports and plays fine in MF5P. No conversion during output so the audio should stay MP2. No audio when played in my A2.


Did you try muxing the .ac3 with the .m2v?

Did you try muxing the .ac3 with the .m2v?
Yes -- but MPEGstreamclip refuses to import the .ac3.

I just tried Restream with the progresive box ticked and it didn't make any difference, still drpping frames on the 360 HD DVD.

What are folks using to convert MP2 to AC3?

I can't find in MF5P docs any list of types of files that can be imported.

Can it import a .ts or .m2t file where the audio is MP2?

Since it can capture HDV it should be able to work with this type of file.

I've used AC3Machine with BeSweet to convert mp2 files to AC3 in the past.

Yes -- but MPEGstreamclip refuses to import the .ac3.

TMPGEnc will mux m2v and ac3; and I'm sure there are other muxers that will too.

I found that my discs which had MP2 -- had audio if I switched to Bitstream on my A2. So the need for AC3 is only to save the user from switching their A2.

Strange that my LPCM discs don't playback in Bitstream.

Equally strange is that the AC3 file from Apples's Compressor -- which plays fine in VLC -- is not accepted as AC3 by any other PC application. Maybe the QT file is the issue.

Yes -- but MPEGstreamclip refuses to import the .ac3.


any luck on an os x mpeg2 muxer that works with HD and ac3 audio?

They have developed some awesome HDi applications. They just need projects. :cool:

any luck on an os x mpeg2 muxer that works with HD and ac3 audio?

The best os x muxer is free mpegstreamclip. But will not import Compressor's AC3 output. Damn.

But vlc will import. So I import and the export as a/52 at 256kbps since 448kbps is not available. This is a good sampling rate for stereo and is compliant with mf5p.
Obviously a/52 is what Apple's output should be, but is not.

Now i import into mf5p.

Now if there was an os x muxer that read Compressor's Dolby 2.0 it would really save time. Or, if Compressor could create a PS, that would be fine too.

In the latest Nero Reloaded (I have Premium, not Ultra), after you choose DVD-ROM (UDF), you can choose 'Enable X-box (TM) compatibility mode', in which case 'UDF partition type' & 'File system version' drop-downs are grayed-out.

I recall someone suggesting 'Manual settings' instead of 'Enable X-box (TM) compatibility mode' to avoid stuttering. But, you then have to choose 'UDF partition type' & 'File system version' type from the drop-downs. Should it be 'Physical Partition' & 'UDF 2.60'?

In the latest Nero Reloaded (I have Premium, not Ultra), after you choose DVD-ROM (UDF), you can choose 'Enable X-box (TM) compatibility mode', in which case 'UDF partition type' & 'File system version' drop-downs are grayed-out.

I recall someone suggesting 'Manual settings' instead of 'Enable X-box (TM) compatibility mode' to avoid stuttering. But, you then have to choose 'UDF partition type' & 'File system version' type from the drop-downs. Should it be 'Physical Partition' & 'UDF 2.60'?

I use UDF 2.50. It did help my stutter problem, though it doesn't appear to make a difference for everyone.

My MPEG files on DVD-Rs play so well on the PS3, even up to 30mbps material. No authoring needed. The only problem is it's 2-channel only. Of course, no chapter makers either, but that isn't a biggie. Perfect for my hi-def camcorder footage, but not DD5.1 captures. If PS3 resolves the DD5.1 issue via a firmware update, I'd drop HD DVD authoring & go that route as it'll be useful to have material as MPGs if I ever need to re-author them to another format later.

^^ Yeah, as long as you keep them as Transport streams. PS3 won't play MPEG2 HD Program Streams.

The opposite actually. PS3 plays program streams (MPG), not transport streams (TS).

Did someone tried to output HD-DVD from Final Cut HD in AV264 or Mpeg2?
If yes, how were the results?
Thanks!

Did someone tried to output HD-DVD from Final Cut HD in AV264 or Mpeg2?
If yes, how were the results?
Thanks!

DVD Studio Pro 4 has not been updated to make it 100% HD DVD compliant.

AVC doesn't work, Either does Dolby 5.1, The menus also do not work.

:(

The opposite actually. PS3 plays program streams (MPG), not transport streams (TS).
Benes says PS3 plays both. I've tested both streams with several files, and so far success rate on TS is 100%, success with PS is 0%.

DVD Studio Pro 4 has not been updated to make it 100% HD DVD compliant.
AVC doesn't work, Either does Dolby 5.1, The menus also do not work.

Strange for a such high end app!
Thanks a lot!

Thanks guys. I'll try an experiment by simply taking an HD DVD I authored before that stutters on my A2, copying the files back to my PC, then use RESTREAM to patch all the EVO files to 'progressive', then simply burn a new disc.

Please let us know how this works out. This problem is preventing me from upgrading from XA1 to XA2.

I'll do this tonight & report back. I'm close to selling my A2 & keeping the XA1 if this doesn't work. I plan to use the PS3 for my hi-def camcorder footage that's 2-channel audio anyway.

Yes, I'd also appreciate any testing results. I'm still a fence-sitter; have not bought a player yet, but have already purchased recommended software, and have a homebrew HD DVD-R sitting here waiting, made from my HV10 camcorder (but not 5.1).

We'll hope for the best!

Thanks,
Norm

@all,

this is quite an amazing thread. Thank you all for this. I have a question for which I did not find any answers up to now. If this already has been discussed in the replys I beg for your pardon. I have not read every single reply as the thread is very big. I would like to know if there is any possibility just to split a complete HD-DVD structure to let me say 2-3 DVDR DL oder 5-6 DVDR Single Layer or whatever the capacity will be. Is this something which could be realised ?

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards

@all,

this is quite an amazing thread. Thank you all for this. I have a question for which I did not find any answers up to now. If this already has been discussed in the replys I beg for your pardon. I have not read every single reply as the thread is very big. I would like to know if there is any possibility just to split a complete HD-DVD structure to let me say 2-3 DVDR DL oder 5-6 DVDR Single Layer or whatever the capacity will be. Is this something which could be realised ?

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards

It depends on what you mean by "split a complete HD DVD structure." You can create multiple SL or DL discs from the same MPEG2 file by editing the MPEG2 file into pieces, but each one is then a complete HD DVD. You's have to change discs to watch the entire program. You can create a single HD DVD file set, then split it across multiple DVD's as data files, but it won't play in an HD DVD player that way. That would be one way to take larger movies and archive them for a later time, when you could then burn all the files to an HD DVD recordable (if and when they become affordable).

Okay, I did some tests to fix the video/audio stutter issue on the HD-A2 and sadly they don't work. Tried re-authoring a previously-authored HD DVD with 1080i 18mbps footage by using Restream to set the flag to 'progressive' and using 'xbox compatibility' mode in Nero. Stutter still there. The 25mbps HDV footage I had didn't work either. Using UDF 2.5 in Nero didn't help.

I'm giving up on the A2 for now & selling it. Everything works beautifully on my XA1 of course. Cool thing is in all this I did find a useful free tool, EVO Demux.

EVO Demux (http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=EVOdemux) allows you to demux each EVO file from an authored HD DVD into a MPV (video) + MP2 (audio) fileset. I think you can do AC3 instead of MP2 as well. You can then mux the fileset to MPG again using any MPG muxer. I used Womble MPEG-VCR. EVO Demux is good to have to get back a hi-def MPG so that it can be re-authored to any other format. This means you don't need to save all your original TS or MPG files, rather if desired rebuild them w/o any re-encoding from your authored HD DVDs.

Thanks for that heads-up on EVO Demux, a valuable tool for the reason you stated, not having to archive in two formats.

Sorry you can't get the A2 to work. I'm holding onto the A1 as well. Maybe XA2 is the answer? (I use for 25 mbps HDV)

Yes, also sorry to hear the A2 isn't working out.

Is anything different in the XA2, that would make it more compatible? Or is the XA2 also not playing homebrew HD DVD's properly?

I have a buyer for my A1 tomorrow, so I decided to test my collection on my A2 to be sure I'm not having the same problems as some others here. I tested some 40+ discs tonight, going through at least 3-4 minutes at the beginning and forwarding through a couple of chapters, just to make sure my A2 isn't having the severe skipping problems others are reporting. I had two discs skip, one badly at the beginning and one just a bit (and a chapter back stopped the skipping). Those two discs skipped near the start of the testing, then everything worked extremely well. Not a single skip after the first 3-4 discs.

I did have some severe stuttering with some of my HDV footage that I burned as a test. This was constant bit rate (CBR) material that I burned straight to disc. My edited material from Adobe Premier (output as variable bit rate with Dolby Digital audio) played back smoothly. Since I edit everything I intend to keep in Premier, HDV footage is not a problem for me.

I didn't test every disc I've burned, obviously, but I did test single layer and double layer discs from a lot of different manufacturers - Memorex (most of my DL discs are Memorex), Verbatim, HP, Sony. Most of my SL discs are +R's, a few are -R's. My discs are probably about half and half SL and DL.

Long story short, I feel pretty comfortable letting my A1 go.

Hi Joseph:

Well, thanks for that going through that exhaustive test! Maybe CBR vs VBR is where the problem has been.

I have Premiere Pro 1.5, but I am using Vegas 7 Production right now. That should be OK, because I only render it as an AVI file from Vegas, and do the mpeg thing in Ulead. So Ulead DVD Movie Factory 5+ (followed w/Nero 7+ Ultra) would be where I would concentrate on bit rates, CBR vs. VBr, etc.

I like the multri-track timeline in Vegas. I never got used to Premiere Pro 1.0 after they abandoned the 6.5 timeline format.

So there's hope. Maybe I'll go ahead and order an A2 then.

Thanks,
Norm

About 1/4 of my collection of 150+ homemade HD DVDs have the stutter issue on the A2. These are almost all high bitrate material from DVHS, earlier non-HDLite days & a few Japanese broadcasts at 30mbps. Stuff I record these days from satellite play fine as they're usually 14mbps, maybe 17mbps at best, even 8-9mbps at worst.

I'll try Premiere Pro 2.0 to change my hi-def camcorder footage to VBR & see if I get the same success. For these, it's just easier for me to drop the MPGs on a DVD & play them on the PS3 w/o doing anything.

However, for the high bitrate sat/cable captures, they're already VBR & still stutter. I don't know, maybe I'll hold onto the HD-A2 in hopes they'll fix this issue w/the next firmware update. But, I'm guessing they could care less about red-laser homebrew HD DVDs for people like us. Or, I'm hoping Sony will fix the 5.1-to-2.1 downmix issue w/homemade MPGs on the PS3. If that happens, I'd drop HD DVD & go the PS3 route. Especially because it appears someone may have figured out a way to play MPEG4-AVC on the PS3 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=803192).

I guess all this is the price you pay for playing on the bleedin' edge of technology ;).

About 1/4 of my collection of 150+ homemade HD DVDs have the stutter issue on the A2. These are almost all high bitrate material from DVHS, earlier non-HDLite days & a few Japanese broadcasts at 30mbps. Stuff I record these days from satellite play fine as they're usually 14mbps, maybe 17mbps at best, even 8-9mbps at worst.

I'll try Premiere Pro 2.0 to change my hi-def camcorder footage to VBR & see if I get the same success. For these, it's just easier for me to drop the MPGs on a DVD & play them on the PS3 w/o doing anything.

However, for the high bitrate sat/cable captures, they're already VBR & still stutter. I don't know, maybe I'll hold onto the HD-A2 in hopes they'll fix this issue w/the next firmware update. But, I'm guessing they could care less about red-laser homebrew HD DVDs for people like us. Or, I'm hoping Sony will fix the 5.1-to-2.1 downmix issue w/homemade MPGs on the PS3. If that happens, I'd drop HD DVD & go the PS3 route. Especially because it appears someone may have figured out a way to play MPEG4-AVC on the PS3 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=803192).

I guess all this is the price you pay for playing on the bleedin' edge of technology ;).

I'd really be interested in the PS3 if it could play regular MPEG's with full 5.1 audio. Let us know of any progress in that area.

I just tried Joseph Clark's method on the A1 with a Fuji rewritable DVD+RW disk, 25mbps HDV video. It plays great!

I just tried Joseph Clark's method on the A1 with a Fuji rewritable DVD+RW disk, 25mbps HDV video. It plays great!

Great, Tom! To me, the use of this technique with HDV has tremendous potential for event videographers and students. If the issues that have cropped up can be resolved consistently, it opens up extremely low cost/high quality possibilities for both those groups, not to mention the average person who just wants to do HD vacation videos.

Hmm, I just got Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0. But, the tool has a learning curve for sure. Will have to try Joe's method.

It depends on what you mean by "split a complete HD DVD structure." You can create multiple SL or DL discs from the same MPEG2 file by editing the MPEG2 file into pieces, but each one is then a complete HD DVD. You's have to change discs to watch the entire program. You can create a single HD DVD file set, then split it across multiple DVD's as data files, but it won't play in an HD DVD player that way. That would be one way to take larger movies and archive them for a later time, when you could then burn all the files to an HD DVD recordable (if and when they become affordable).




@Joseph,

thank you very much for your kind answer and sorry for replying so late. I was travelling this weekend. What I exactly meant by splitting a complete HD-DVD structure I meant having one .vc1 file with let me say 1-2 different audio tracks, author them to HD-DVD, but have the result on 3-4 DL discs, so that every part of the splitted file was playable in a hd-dvd player. I wouldn't mind changing the discs a couple of times or better, split the file before in a couple of parts and reauthor then every part as complete HD-DVD. Can you please tell me if this is possible quite easily ? If yes, may I be so exorbitant to ask for the most comfortable way to realize ?

Thank you very much in advance again.



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Originally Posted by ViSioNFaCToRY
@all,

this is quite an amazing thread. Thank you all for this. I have a question for which I did not find any answers up to now. If this already has been discussed in the replys I beg for your pardon. I have not read every single reply as the thread is very big. I would like to know if there is any possibility just to split a complete HD-DVD structure to let me say 2-3 DVDR DL oder 5-6 DVDR Single Layer or whatever the capacity will be. Is this something which could be realised ?

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards

@Joseph,

thank you very much for your kind answer and sorry for replying so late. I was travelling this weekend. What I exactly meant by splitting a complete HD-DVD structure I meant having one .vc1 file with let me say 1-2 different audio tracks, author them to HD-DVD, but have the result on 3-4 DL discs, so that every part of the splitted file was playable in a hd-dvd player. I wouldn't mind changing the discs a couple of times or better, split the file before in a couple of parts and reauthor then every part as complete HD-DVD. Can you please tell me if this is possible quite easily ? If yes, may I be so exorbitant to ask for the most comfortable way to realize ?

Thank you very much in advance again.



Quote:
Originally Posted by ViSioNFaCToRY
@all,

this is quite an amazing thread. Thank you all for this. I have a question for which I did not find any answers up to now. If this already has been discussed in the replys I beg for your pardon. I have not read every single reply as the thread is very big. I would like to know if there is any possibility just to split a complete HD-DVD structure to let me say 2-3 DVDR DL oder 5-6 DVDR Single Layer or whatever the capacity will be. Is this something which could be realised ?

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards

If you can convert your file to MPEG2 from VC1, then yes, you can split it across multiple DVD recordables. You split the MPEG2 file at appropriate points and then just follow the process as outlined in the first post. You can use VideoRedo to split the MPEG2 file anywhere you want, output it to your hard drive, then use Movie Factory to create the HD DVD's. I've done this with a couple of long movies (but without any conversion from VC2 to MPEG2).

Converting VC1 to MPEG2 is an explanation better left to others here. I haven't done that.

Hi Joseph:

Earlier in the thread, you wrote of successfully playing homebrew HD DVD's in your A2 (but best luck with VBR). However, I understand you are using Premiere Pro (2?) as your editing software.

Where in the process are you converting to mpeg2? Do you render it out of Premiere Pro? I'm guessing that after that, you go to DVD Movie Factory 5+, to create the HD DVD folder, then Nero 7 Ultra to make the disc.

Thanks,
Norm

If you can convert your file to MPEG2 from VC1, then yes, you can split it across multiple DVD recordables. You split the MPEG2 file at appropriate points and then just follow the process as outlined in the first post. You can use VideoRedo to split the MPEG2 file anywhere you want, output it to your hard drive, then use Movie Factory to create the HD DVD's. I've done this with a couple of long movies (but without any conversion from VC2 to MPEG2).

Converting VC1 to MPEG2 is an explanation better left to others here. I haven't done that.




@Joseph,

again thank you for your lightspeed reply Sir. I already tried to do some recodes from .VC1 in MPEG2 using a high bitrate 2 pass which was very good. What I meant with the Split Sir, I would like to keep the original bitrate and the original size for the split, so I meant I would like to bring a backupped HD-DVD to some DL discs. Don't need the menus again, just want to have the .vc1 stream + a normal DD5.1 stream. How would you do this ? I think it would be possible to chop the .vc1 at some points, but I am not sure how to "split" the sound on the correct places. I tried to load the .vc1 into scenarist a couple of times, it starts importing but always at 21% it crashes (an error occured to scenarist.exe and needs to be closed). Would I have more luck if I'd going to buy Movie Factory ? You mentioned you had done this with a couple of long movies without conversion. How did you do that ?

Thanks again.






Quote:
Originally Posted by ViSioNFaCToRY
@Joseph,

thank you very much for your kind answer and sorry for replying so late. I was travelling this weekend. What I exactly meant by splitting a complete HD-DVD structure I meant having one .vc1 file with let me say 1-2 different audio tracks, author them to HD-DVD, but have the result on 3-4 DL discs, so that every part of the splitted file was playable in a hd-dvd player. I wouldn't mind changing the discs a couple of times or better, split the file before in a couple of parts and reauthor then every part as complete HD-DVD. Can you please tell me if this is possible quite easily ? If yes, may I be so exorbitant to ask for the most comfortable way to realize ?

Thank you very much in advance again.



Quote:
Originally Posted by ViSioNFaCToRY
@all,

this is quite an amazing thread. Thank you all for this. I have a question for which I did not find any answers up to now. If this already has been discussed in the replys I beg for your pardon. I have not read every single reply as the thread is very big. I would like to know if there is any possibility just to split a complete HD-DVD structure to let me say 2-3 DVDR DL oder 5-6 DVDR Single Layer or whatever the capacity will be. Is this something which could be realised ?

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards

@Joseph,

again thank you for your lightspeed reply Sir. I already tried to do some recodes from .VC1 in MPEG2 using a high bitrate 2 pass which was very good. What I meant with the Split Sir, I would like to keep the original bitrate and the original size for the split, so I meant I would like to bring a backupped HD-DVD to some DL discs. Don't need the menus again, just want to have the .vc1 stream + a normal DD5.1 stream. How would you do this ? I think it would be possible to chop the .vc1 at some points, but I am not sure how to "split" the sound on the correct places. I tried to load the .vc1 into scenarist a couple of times, it starts importing but always at 21% it crashes (an error occured to scenarist.exe and needs to be closed). Would I have more luck if I'd going to buy Movie Factory ? You mentioned you had done this with a couple of long movies without conversion. How did you do that ?

Thanks again.

This is NOT currently possible. Movie Factory only works for MPEG material, not VC1. There is currently NOT a "consumer level" authoring program available that can mux/author VC1 or AVC material. I'm not even sure that an app exists that will split your VC1 streams cleanly?

Regarding the Microsoft Xbox 360 error code C667000A that shows up when playing a dvd+/-r authored by Pinnacle Studio 10.7 + HD-DVD authoring pack, there is still no news about when this problem will be resolved. Original thread describing the problem:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9187261&highlight=pinnacle#post9187261

However, I now tend to suspect that there is something quirky about the implementation of the HD-DVD playback software on the 360 console. Because, I can take the Xbox HD-DVD drive, jack it into a PC, and play my Pinnacle-authored discs through PowerDVD 7.1 ultra. It plays discs with or without menu's. The source material for my discs is a HDV camera, and of course the disc blanks are red-laser format (dvd+r).

So, we have this perplexing situation. The disc plays fine on a HD-A1 and through the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive and Cyberlink combo, sort of plays on the HD-A2 (at slow speed with no audio), but not at all through the 360 console. MF5-authored discs play fine through all four (is that true?), with or without menus. Aargh. Who do I point my finger at?

Btw, for those who think that Microsoft is working hard on this compatibility issue, fuggetaboutit. Customer service has nothing in their logs to indicate they are even aware of the problem. Other than my one phone call. Yuck.

Regarding the Microsoft Xbox 360 error code C667000A that shows up when playing a dvd+/-r authored by Pinnacle Studio 10.7 + HD-DVD authoring pack, there is still no news about when this problem will be resolved. Original thread describing the problem:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9187261&highlight=pinnacle#post9187261

However, I now tend to suspect that there is something quirky about the implementation of the HD-DVD playback software on the 360 console. Because, I can take the Xbox HD-DVD drive, jack it into a PC, and play my Pinnacle-authored discs through PowerDVD 7.1 ultra. It plays discs with or without menu's. The source material for my discs is a HDV camera, and of course the disc blanks are red-laser format (dvd+r).

So, we have this perplexing situation. The disc plays fine on a HD-A1 and through the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive and Cyberlink combo, but not through the 360 console. MF5-authored discs play fine through all three (is that true?), with or without menus. Aargh. Who do I point my finger at?

Btw, for those who think that Microsoft is working hard on this compatibility issue, fuggetaboutit. Customer service has nothing in their logs to indicate they are even aware of the problem. Other than my one phone call. Yuck.

I would ask Amir or Ben about it in the Insiders thread .

What is the best or cheapest way to upload the HD-DVD to the computer hardware? :D

What is the best or cheapest way to upload the HD-DVD to the computer hardware? :D

Not really a question for this forum. Try Doom9...

Not really a question for this forum. Try Doom9...

Why not, it pertaints, to the topic "software" and in some cases Xbox 360 = Hardware, correct.

Why not, it pertaints, to the topic "software" and in some cases Xbox 360 = Hardware, correct.

We are talking "homebrewed" on this forum not up/down loading...many people here have HD video cameras and are looking to archive.

What is the best or cheapest way to upload the HD-DVD to the computer hardware?
Check out the forums at Doom9.org. In particular, look for the threads on BackupHDDVD and AnyDVD HD in the Decrypting forum for the answers you seek. These are not topics normally discussed in the forums here.

Why not, it pertaints, to the topic "software" and in some cases Xbox 360 = Hardware, correct.
According to the content owners, copying from a commercial HD DVD to your computer is pirating the movie.

Everyone assumed that was what you were asking about. However, do you mean you've got a homebrew HD DVD and want to copy it to your computer? If so this is a valid topic for discussion.

According to the content owners, copying from a commercial HD DVD to your computer is pirating the movie.

Everyone assumed that was what you were asking about. However, do you mean you've got a homebrew HD DVD and want to copy it to your computer? If so this is a valid topic for discussion.


Home made hd-dvd.

Home made hd-dvd.

Regardless, see the reply by captain_video above - the forums at Doom9 should have all the information you'll need to extract your video.

Regardless, see the reply by captain_video above - the forums at Doom9 should have all the information you'll need to extract your video.


F Object.

Home made hd-dvd.

You should just be able to copy the files from the disc to your PC. They won't be encrypted if it is a homemade disc.

What's your goal here zapper? I'm not sure we understand what it is you're trying to do...

What are the system requirments in backing up a HD DVD with slysoft HD? Do I need an HD DVD drive in order to do this?

I have not had the time to read all of these threads but if it helps anybody out there using apple dvd studio pro to make HD-DVD on DVD-R with Toshiba playback in mind, I found a way to make it work with firmware 2.x

(I had 3 players with 1.x that worked great, but I just got one more (these are for trade shows) and its 2.x firmware and the same discs dont work)

So here is what you do:

1. Author and build HD-DVD project as usual in dvd studio pro, but do not burn, just build the disc folder.

2. Drop the HVDVD_TS folder into Toast (running v7 here) now it will put all the files at the root of the disc and name the disc title HVDVD_TS for some stupid reason.

Make a new folder HVDVD_TS and move all the files into it, then rename the disc title to what you want.

3. in Toast the format of this disc should be set for DVD-ROM UDF

4. Do a "save as" to BIN/CUE.

5. now somehow copy that bin/cue to a pc with IMGBURN 2.2

6. Burn the image and you will now have a disc authored with dvd studio pro play on the toshiba players with 2.x firmware.

It should be noted that I also tried just burning that disc in toast (just before step 4) but the first time I inserted it, the player said no disc, so I turned it off and back on and went to eject the disc and it started playing, but it seemed to take longer to load.

Hope this helps all of you out there who have lots of dvdsp authored HD-DVD-R discs.

According to the content owners, copying from a commercial HD DVD to your computer is pirating the movie.
Not if you own the DVD. Then it's considered fair use and is perfectly legal. The law permits you to make backup copies of any digital media you own. You only run into legal issues if making copies of digital media you do not own or plan on distributing. Since HD-DVD and BD discs have much smaller track spacing than regular DVDs or CDs they are more susceptible to damage from scratches and surface blemishes. Making a backup copy for playback is just plain smart and allows you to keep the original safe from harm.

Rather than take this thread off in a different direction I would urge anyone looking for more info on this topic to take it over to the forums at Doom9 or similar forums, such as Digital-Digest.com, Afterdawn.com, or Videohelp.com that openly discuss such things.

Not if you own the DVD. Then it's considered fair use and is perfectly legal. The law permits you to make backup copies of any digital media you own. You only run into legal issues if making copies of digital media you do not own or plan on distributing. Since HD-DVD and BD discs have much smaller track spacing than regular DVDs or CDs they are more susceptible to damage from scratches and surface blemishes. Making a backup copy for playback is just plain smart and allows you to keep the original safe from harm.

Rather than take this thread off in a different direction I would urge anyone looking for more info on this topic to take it over to the forums at Doom9 or similar forums, such as Digital-Digest.com, Afterdawn.com, or Videohelp.com that openly discuss such things.

My friend, no matter how you toss the dice it is illegal to make a copy of a copy protected DVD . Right on the front the FBI warning is not there for the heck of it, the reason that it's not so much in pursuit it's that other matters in this country is getting their attention.

On the other hand they will pursuit someone who is bootlegging quiet a few DVD etc. So if you think that by making your own copy is OK, YOU ARE WRONG! All of this applies to any USA territories.

I've rendered a lot of videos from Vegas to the HDV 1080-50i format. Then run them trough VideoRedo, converting them from transport-stream to program-stream. This runs smooth and quick.

Importing the mpg-video to Moviefactory is fast and everything looks great. Rendering the HDDVD-project is no problem, Moviefactory does not reencode anything, and the "burn-to disk" is done in minutes.

BUT when I pop the disc into my Xbox360 HDDVD-addon NOTHING HAPPENS!

My screen is blank.

Has anyone succsessfully followed the guide using Vegas to render M2t-files, and actually got the video to play on a Xbox360 HDDVD-addon?

I've tried everything. If I send an AVI-file to Moviefactory, it takes ages to re-encode. But the Xbox360 HDDVD-addon do play the video - stuttering as a mad horse though...

Bottomline: I can't get the Xbox360 HDDVD-addon to play videos rendered as native HDV-footage in Vegas, and reencoded in VideoRedo to mpg.

Help me :-(

Not if you own the DVD. Then it's considered fair use and is perfectly legal. The law permits you to make backup copies of any digital media you own. You only run into legal issues if making copies of digital media you do not own or plan on distributing.

While I wish that were the law, it's not. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act makes it illegal to break the copy protection on a disc. You can't dupe it without breaking the copy protection, so you're committing a federal crime if you back up "Bambi" to keep the 3-year-old from getting peanut butter smudges on it.

It's a stupid law, and it makes no difference whether you bought the disc or not. It was what the studio suits wanted, and they greased enough congressmen to get it. The fair use exemptions are much more narrowly defined than most people think, and apply mostly to teachers and journalists.

I'm not a lawyer, but I've had conversations with several copyright attorneys on this subject.

Them's the rules, and that's why the mods at this forum shut down threads about copying methods. Let's not let that happen to this one, please.

Bottomline: I can't get the Xbox360 HDDVD-addon to play videos rendered as native HDV-footage in Vegas, and reencoded in VideoRedo to mpg.

Help me :-(

I'm a newbie myself... just started playing with my HDR-HC1>Vegas7.0d>DVDMF5+>HD-DVD.

When I capture with Vegas 7... VideoReDo... MF5+... HD-DVD... works great.

Have you tried the .m2t files captured in Vegas? I mean... are you having problems ONLY AFTER RENDERING EDITED video ?




AND..... THANK YOU JOSEPH CLARK for the Sticky. Your method works great!!! I am using CAPS LOCK ... because I am shouting... THANK YOU JOSEPH CLARK!!!

I've rendered a lot of videos from Vegas to the HDV 1080-50i format.
Are you in PAL territory? Just wondering why are you rendering to 1080-50i? Also, you'll want to render the audio as stereo ac3 - mpeg audio is technically not supported in the HD-DVD specs.

[QUOTE=SV_Trinity]I'm a newbie myself... just started playing with my HDR-HC1>Vegas7.0d>DVDMF5+>HD-DVD.

When I capture with Vegas 7... VideoReDo... MF5+... HD-DVD... works great.

Have you tried the .m2t files captured in Vegas? I mean... are you having problems ONLY AFTER RENDERING EDITED video ?
QUOTE]

The problem is I can't show on the xbox any video that has been anywhere near VideoReDo!

If I only use the m2v-file output from Vegas - its great , but no audio. if I then add the .mpa-file in MF5+ the render takes ages, and the final video is showing on the xbox - BUT now the video (not the audio) is stuttering.

I have a hunch the insane long renderprocess in MF5+ is doing something wrong with the video.

Are you in PAL territory? Just wondering why are you rendering to 1080-50i? Also, you'll want to render the audio as stereo ac3 - mpeg audio is technically not supported in the HD-DVD specs.

PAL territory, yes :-)

Now I've tried AC3, but again Moviefactory takes a loong time rendering - and the final video-output is stuttering...

PAL territory, yes :-)

Now I've tried AC3, but again Moviefactory takes a loong time rendering - and the final video-output is stuttering...
I think you need to mux the m2v and ac3 into an MPEG program stream before processing in MF5. If I remember correctly, anything but the "Create Disk" option in VS10+ caused a re-encode. MF5 might try to re-encode everything if you give it separate audio and video streams. Just a thought, not sure if it's "the answer"....

I think you need to mux the m2v and ac3 into an MPEG program stream before processing in MF5. If I remember correctly, anything but the "Create Disk" option in VS10+ caused a re-encode. MF5 might try to re-encode everything if you give it separate audio and video streams. Just a thought, not sure if it's "the answer"....

Muxing did the trick!

Before I've always tried to render a transportstream from Vegas, and then changing it to a programstream.

Muxing in mpeg-vcr created an mpg-file Moviefactory accepted - and the final result looks great on the xbox360 HDDVD-drive.

Thank's a lot texmex for finally solving my problem :-D

I see the just released version of Magix Movie Edit Pro burns an HD-DVD disc on a standard DVD blank and has smart rendering.
Might be worth a try as an alternative to MF5+.

Has any one used the LG hybrid player to play homemade red laser HD DVDs ? if yes is the player able to play hdv at 25mbs like the A1, without having to down sample to 18mbs like the A2 thanks.

Having a problem with stuttering on fast panning shots or scenes where there are large changes.

I am using Womble Video Wizard to generate the Program Stream Mpeg file and Ulead DVD Movie Factory 5 to generate the folders, the use Nero 7 to create UDF Xbox compatible DVD.

The difference might be that the video's here are 1920x1080 25fps, and in DMF 5 I am generating a Pal HD-DVD at 25fps.

DMF simply goes to 99% instantly and starts working on the audio.

Any Suggestions
Thank You
Wayne

Hey everyone.
My cousin is in the process of buying a new Canon HV-10 camcorder and would like to start authoring on DVD disks to play in an HD-A2. I have gone over this thread twice and the overall concensus is that the HD-A2 will not work consistantly with HDV footage using the guide? Is this correct?
If there is a work around that will give him the results he needs, I would really appreciate it! I am in the process of trying to get MF5 to encode the HD-DVD folders while droping the bit rate to CBR 19mbps!
The encode times are brutal. About seven hours for a 3.9 gig file on a P-4 3.2 ghz machine with 4 gig of RAM. It takes 6 hours on Core 2 Duo 6600 with 2 gig of RAM.
Anyway, please let me know if anyone has a better solution!

Thanks.

Hey everyone.
I am in the process of trying to get MF5 to encode the HD-DVD folders while droping the bit rate to CBR 19mbps!
The encode times are brutal. About seven hours for a 3.9 gig file on a P-4 3.2 ghz machine with 4 gig of RAM. It takes 6 hours on Core 2 Duo 6600 with 2 gig of RAM.
Anyway, please let me know if anyone has a better solution!

Thanks.

Unless they put in a firmware update to the HD-A2, don't hold your breath. I wonder if they even have the I/O bandwidth to read the data as it coming off the dvd-r blank. This is very annoying for all. For the time being, can you get by with an Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive hooked up to a Windows Media Center PC? The Powerdvd Ultra program works quite well with UDF 2.5 HD-DVD format dvd-r discs authored from HDV captures. At least with the Pinnacle Media Studio 10.7 + HD-DVD authoring package.

I've switched to PS3 for my Sony HDV material. Just drop the MPGs onto a SL or DL DVD and play back w/o any issues. You can use Nero Recode or Premiere to change the CBR to VBR for smooth play on the A2, but it's too much work.

Of course, I still use HD DVD for anything w/5.1 audio as the PS3 downmixes to 2.1 for your MPGs, or MP4s for that matter.

How have other people gotten around stuttering on fast moving scenes and panning scenes. I noticed a few people complaining, but not a clear way of resolving this issue.

I am trying to find an area where I can tweak out the problem, but I am not sure where to look.

Any help would be appreciated.

I have a Toshiba HD-A1 imported from the US.

Thanks
Wayne

Well, it appears that the stuttering problem has appeared in 2nd generation Toshiba players. Although not everyone who posts here is having the problem.

I'm no expert, but I will take a wild guess that it's a combination of the high bit rate and constant bit rate that may be excaberated by the possibility that Toshiba's new players have a narrower bandwidth in disc throughput.

By maintaining a constant bit rate, and also 25 mbps through the whole editing stream, the original quality is virtually preserved from the camcorders' tape. If we start reducing the bit rate and change constant bit rate to variable bit rate, we risk the added intervention of the software we are using, in the form of re-rendering and compressing. Then we are dependent upon the quality of this software. Presently, none of the tools referred to in this thread are terribly expensive. This low-ball pricing (compared to pro-level software) may become painfully evident in the quality - or lack thereof - of compression & rendering codecs and associated coding when we view the results.

While I wish that were the law, it's not. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act makes it illegal to break the copy protection on a disc. You can't dupe it without breaking the copy protection, so you're committing a federal crime if you back up "Bambi" to keep the 3-year-old from getting peanut butter smudges on it.

It's a stupid law, and it makes no difference whether you bought the disc or not. It was what the studio suits wanted, and they greased enough congressmen to get it. The fair use exemptions are much more narrowly defined than most people think, and apply mostly to teachers and journalists.

I'm not a lawyer, but I've had conversations with several copyright attorneys on this subject.

Them's the rules, and that's why the mods at this forum shut down threads about copying methods. Let's not let that happen to this one, please.
I'm not here to stir up any controversy about the DMCA because my perception of the law used to be the same as yours. I always thought it was illegal to copy any digital media regardless of ownership. However, this has been proven to be completely false when making backup copies of media that you own. Copyright laws don't even apply in this instance because there is no distribution of copyrighted material taking place.

There are numerous programs for making backups of encrypted DVDs that are available commercially as well as lots of freeware apps that do the same thing. If the process was illegal then these companies would have been shut down long ago. The folks over at the Doom9.org forums are completely anal when it comes to discussing anything illegal so they have researched this from top to bottom.

You CAN make backup copies of your digital media, but only within the constraints of the law as I explained previously. The laws regarding fair use apparently override the DMCA in this regard. The whole idea behind the DMCA was to prevent unauthorized pirating and distribution of intellectual property inthe form of digital media. This has nothing to do with making backups of your own media since there is no piracy taking place nor is anything being distributed illegally. Don't take my word for it, check out the forums at Doom9.org for details. You'll find that I'm not just whistlin' Dixie here.

I'm not here to stir up any controversy about the DMCA because my perception of the law used to be the same as yours. I always thought it was illegal to copy any digital media regardless of ownership. However, this has been proven to be completely false when making backup copies of media that you own. The folks over at the Doom9.org forums are completely anal when it comes to discussing anything illegal so they have researched this from top to bottom. You CAN make backup copies of your digital media, but only within the constraints of the law as I explained previously. The laws regarding fair use apparently override the DMCA in this regard. Don't take my word for it, check out the forums at Doom9.org for details. You'll find that I'm not just whistlin' Dixie here.

Sorry, Captain. Doom9 is a forum where people exchange information about copying digital media. It's only natural that they would interpret the law so as to justify their actions. I've read the Doom9 defense, which is essentially the defense the courts rejected in declaring DeCSS illegal.

Section 1201 of the DCMA makes it a violation of U.S. copyright law to "circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work." Breaking copy protection on a DVD or HD DVD is the textbook definition.

There are fair use exceptions, but they are clearly listed and do not say that you or I can make backups of discs we own. Fair use makes it possible to compile exerpts for educational or journalistic use, backup obsolete software in a current format, literary works in ebook formats, firmware for wireless devices (purely to enable net access,) audio CDs used specifically to test PC security vulnerabilities (added after the Sony root-kit fiasco.) That's it.

Starting with the forced imposition of Macrovision on VHS and continuing with DCMA for CDs, DVDs, HD DVDs and Blu-ray, the MPAA and RIAA have absolutely had their way with congress. Chances are the men in black won't kick in your door for copying your own collection, but under existing federal law it IS illegal.

Fair use could be raised as a defense. Non-profit consumer copying is a gray area on which even lawyers have different opinions based on conflicting interpretations of older court precedents. It's not on the list of authorized exemptions, but there has not AFAIK been a consumer copying test case since the DCMA was enacted because they've only prosecuted commercial pirates and software producers.

As a footnote, it is NOT illegal to record and save OTA broadcasts because there is no copy protection to disable (yet.) But HDCP and the Broadcast Flag are a potentially scary combination.

I don't mean to sound like a prude. I think DCMA is a disaster for consumers and I qualify as a lawbreaker myself. But I think it's important that we all acknowlege what the law really is -- even if we don't agree with it.

I have the 360 HD-DVD Addon and tried burning a backup. I followed the authoring thread. I found that it didn't matter if I used the Xbox compatibility mode or not. I tried burning a disc with the mode set and one disc without. I have option checked in MF5 to not convert compliant file. I am going to try the UDF 2.50 setting when I get home to see if it works, since some have said it helped the stuttering issues. I have tried using single layer and dual layer, both with stuttering. The original plays fine on my pc but stutters when I burn to disc. I used Verbatim DVD+R DL and some Sony DVD-R. It has to be a setting problem. Hopefully, the stuttering issue will get worked out with all the input.

I have the 360 HD-DVD Addon and tried burning a backup. I followed the authoring thread. I found that it didn't matter if I used the Xbox compatibility mode or not. I tried burning a disc with the mode set and one disc without. I have option checked in MF5 to not convert compliant file. I am going to try the UDF 2.50 setting when I get home to see if it works, since some have said it helped the stuttering issues. I have tried using single layer and dual layer, both with stuttering. The original plays fine on my pc but stutters when I burn to disc. I used Verbatim DVD+R DL and some Sony DVD-R. It has to be a setting problem. Hopefully, the stuttering issue will get worked out with all the input.

I got rid of the stutter when I changed the bitrate from CBR25Mbps to CBR22Mbps.

I think the drive has trouble spinning the DVD fast enough to output CBR25Mbps without stutter!

What do you change the bitrate in, MF5 or VRD? Also, do you use the Xbox compatibility mode or do you change it to 2.50 in Nero?

Sorry, Captain. Doom9 is a forum where people exchange information about copying digital media. It's only natural that they would interpret the law so as to justify their actions. I've read the Doom9 defense, which is essentially the defense the courts rejected in declaring DeCSS illegal.

Section 1201 of the DCMA makes it a violation of U.S. copyright law to "circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work." Breaking copy protection on a DVD or HD DVD is the textbook definition.

There are fair use exceptions, but they are clearly listed and do not say that you or I can make backups of discs we own. Fair use makes it possible to compile exerpts for educational or journalistic use, backup obsolete software in a current format, literary works in ebook formats, firmware for wireless devices (purely to enable net access,) audio CDs used specifically to test PC security vulnerabilities (added after the Sony root-kit fiasco.) That's it.

Starting with the forced imposition of Macrovision on VHS and continuing with DCMA for CDs, DVDs, HD DVDs and Blu-ray, the MPAA and RIAA have absolutely had their way with congress. Chances are the men in black won't kick in your door for copying your own collection, but under existing federal law it IS illegal.

Fair use could be raised as a defense. Non-profit consumer copying is a gray area on which even lawyers have different opinions based on conflicting interpretations of older court precedents. It's not on the list of authorized exemptions, but there has not AFAIK been a consumer copying test case since the DCMA was enacted because they've only prosecuted commercial pirates and software producers.

As a footnote, it is NOT illegal to record and save OTA broadcasts because there is no copy protection to disable (yet.) But HDCP and the Broadcast Flag are a potentially scary combination.

I don't mean to sound like a prude. I think DCMA is a disaster for consumers and I qualify as a lawbreaker myself. But I think it's important that we all acknowlege what the law really is -- even if we don't agree with it.
I won't get into an argument about it one way or another since it's not really a topic for this forum. The question was raised so I thought I'd put in my two cents for the sake of discussion. I think everyone will agree that the DMCA royally sucks and is of absolutely no benefit to the end user.

The point I was trying to raise is that there are means available that will allow you to backup your digital media for your own personal use. The legality of such actions is up to the lawyers and courts to decide and not the little people like use or the rank and file of Doom9 or any other forum. However, what you do in the privacy of your own home is your business and no one else's as far as I'm concerned. As long as you're not making bootleg copies to sell on the street or upload to the internet or distribute in any way then there's no foul from where I sit. ;)

I see absolutely no harm in making a backup copy of a DVD or CD I paid for so I can keep the original away from ham-handed users that have no clue how to properly handle an optical disc without covering it with fingerprints or scratches. My wife and kids leave CDs and DVDs laying out with no case or protection of any kind, both around my house or in their cars, and I absolutely cringe whenever I see one being treated this way. There's no law that says I have to keep paying for the same digital content over and over again because some inconsiderate individual made it unplayable due to mishandling. I won't belabor the issue any further. Let your conscience be your guide. Peace. :)

What do you change the bitrate in, MF5 or VRD?
You can change the bitrate in VideoReDo. When you select the Save as option you will get a popup window asking you where you want to save the file and in what format. There's another option button in that window that will take you to another window where you can set the bitrate.

Ok, by looking on the info for my video, it shows the following:

1920 x 1080, 29.97 fps (24.63 fps Telecine), 18.00 Mbps (12.56 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 62.26 KB/Frame, 0.25 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 2/0 Channels (L, R), 48.0 kHz, 384 kbps

18Mbps should be ok correct? I wouldn't think I would have to change that.

For those who are not getting stuttering issues or any other issues, what is the properties of your mpeg file going into Ulead DVD Movie Factory both Video and audio.

Thanks
Wayne

For those who are not getting stuttering issues or any other issues, what is the properties of your mpeg file going into Ulead DVD Movie Factory both Video and audio.

Thanks
Wayne

Usually, just standard Dish Network captures from channels like HBO, Showtime, Universal HD, etc. I edit with VideoRedo to MPEG format from the .ts streams captured with an R5000 modification. For my own HD shot with a Sony HC1, I edit in Premiere Pro 1.5 (haven't upgraded yet to 2.0, since 1.5 has worked so well for me) and create a Dolby Digital audio track to make it easier to play on the A2. I have had stuttering on only a very small number of discs.

For those who are not getting stuttering issues or any other issues, what is the properties of your mpeg file going into Ulead DVD Movie Factory both Video and audio.

Thanks
Wayne

I use Sony Vegsas to render two separate streams
Video = MPG program stream 22Mbps CBR 1440x1080
Audio = Dolby Digital 2.0

The I use VCR-MPG2 to combine the two streams.

Works great!

Does HD-DVD use "anamorph" storage of 2.35:1 material, or does it have to be letterboxed inside a 16:9 1920x1080 windows?

regards
Knut

Pretty sure it's the latter.

The process we're taking about in this thread is to take video shot originating on HD camcorders, capture it, edit, and write to a (conventional) DVD, in true HD DVD format. The video is actually captured by the HD camcorder and stored on tape in widescreen 1440x1080 60i (or 50 outside US). It remains in that same format throughout the process and ends up at that resolution on the (HD) DVD. So the camcorder records in true widescreen. These camcorders are actual widescreen camcorders; nothing is "anamorphed" at any point if it stays in high defintion. Even the LCD screen on my HV10 is widescreen, and playing back the video fills the screen.

The process we're taking about in this thread is to take video shot originating on HD camcorders, capture it, edit, and write to a (conventional) DVD, in true HD DVD format. The video is actually captured by the HD camcorder and stored on tape in widescreen 1440x1080 60i (or 50 outside US). It remains in that same format throughout the process and ends up at that resolution on the (HD) DVD. So the camcorder records in true widescreen. These camcorders are actual widescreen camcorders; nothing is "anamorphed" at any point if it stays in high defintion. Even the LCD screen on my HV10 is widescreen, and playing back the video fills the screen.

1440x1080 50 is fine, but unfortunately no Toshiba player plays a DVD-R with 1440x1080 50...:-(

Well, I thought somewhere or another outside the US, that 50i was used. Perhaps I was wrong.

Who knew?

are thses discs were creating sum kind of hybrid of dvd/hddvd i noticed it uses IFO files and retail discs uses xpl files

are thses discs were creating sum kind of hybrid of dvd/hddvd i noticed it uses IFO files and retail discs uses xpl files


We're doing Standard Content Authoring, the studios are doing Advanced Content Authoring.... which is why our HD DVDs have ifo's.

How do I change to 22Mbps with VideoRedo? I don't see the option for 22. I just use 20Mbps to be safe.

FYI, DVD Movie Factory 6+ is out now.

Marc.

What is the best bitrate setting for authoring hd-dvd to dvd using Xbox 360 addon? I heard 18 or 20Mbps is the best.

Still experimenting with MF6 however to this point I cannot get it to accept an source HD .mpg file as compliant and it always wants to render (re-encode). I've confirmed the resolution is 1920x1080i (not 1088) and the bit rate is under 20 so I'm at a loss for an explanation as to why it always wants to render the source file. the really weird thing is that it actually asks you:

"Do you want to change the project settings to match the video's properties so Ulead DVD MovieFactory can perform Smart Render?

I find this statement somewhat confusing as if it changes the project settings to match the source video, why is there a need to render????

so close yet so far.

Still experimenting with MF6 however to this point I cannot get it to accept an source HD .mpg file as compliant and it always wants to render (re-encode). I've confirmed the resolution is 1920x1080i (not 1088) and the bit rate is under 20 so I'm at a loss for an explanation as to why it always wants to render the source file. the really weird thing is that it actually asks you:

"Do you want to change the project settings to match the video's properties so Ulead DVD MovieFactory can perform Smart Render?

I find this statement somewhat confusing as if it changes the project settings to match the source video, why is there a need to render????

so close yet so far.

that is the header bitrate of the files? maybe try patching the mpg file with HD patch first...

that is the header bitrate of the files? maybe try patching the mpg file with HD patch first...

Definitely tried patching with HD patch first, bitrate 17000000 and still no go. Maybe I'll try lower just to see if it accepts it.

Well I just lowered the bitrate in HDpatch down to 15000000 and added no chapters to my disc which appears to have created HD-DVD compliant files on the hard drive. My guess is adding chapters, not the previously used bitrate, adds a lot of time to the creatio process but I can't really tell for sure. The source .mpg file (converted with VideoRedo from .ts) was ~8.14MB and there was a little space left. Chapters unfortunatley take up space. I'll burn them to a disc this afternoon and try it out in a Toshiba HD-DVD player (since I don't have one yet).

and the answer is... it works. disc played back fine in both HD-A2 and XA2 players. I did not have a good way to test audio other than to say it was present and sounded fine.


to summarize:

1. 1920x1080i .ts file converted to .mpg with VideoRedo.
2. file run thru HDpactch to ensure bit rate OK
3. After launching program, choose HD 15 standard as the media type.
3. HD .mpg file loaded into MF6 keeping source file audio/video properties
4. HD-DVD format disc created using RiData DL-DVD at 2.4x speed.

notes:
-trying to input a noncompliant HD file may cause the program to hang or crash.
-.ts files cannot be directly inputted and must be converted to .mpg
-creating a disc without an intro menu and chapters will allow you to fit more.
-if no intro menu or chapters are added, the maximum size 1080i HD .mpg file which will fit on a DL-DVD is ~8.2GB.

special thanks to everyone who contributed in this thread

WOOHOO!

APPLE updates DVD Studio Pro 4!!

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/dvdstudiopro412.html


What’s New in this Version
DVD Studio Pro 4.1.2 provides important bug fixes and addresses compatibility issues with DVD Studio Pro 4.1 HD DVD projects and Toshiba HD DVD players.

DVD Studio Pro 4.1.2 also updates the Disc Description Protocol (DDP) 2.1 to DDP 3.0 and the Cutting Master Format (CMF) 1.0 to CMF 2.0, which is required for HD DVD replication.

FYI, DVD Movie Factory 6+ is out now.

Marc.

Great! And I just purchased VideoStudio after Christmas because of it's 5.1 support. I should have waited. Movie Factory did everything I wanted except for the "stereo only" :p

Great! And I just purchased VideoStudio after Christmas because of it's 5.1 support. I should have waited. Movie Factory did everything I wanted except for the "stereo only" :p

I don't have a BR burner but from what I can tell MF6 can't create BR discs with 5.1 sound. 5.1 is not an option in the configuration settings.

5.1 sound is an option for HD-DVD authoring and appears to be present on the 2 discs I've made from .ts files (which had 5.1 soundtracks).

Any word on whether MF6 supports advanced codecs for HD-DVDs? I see "AVCHD" plastered all over their promo materials, but it's hard to tell if that is input only, or if it can output that format as well.

As WiFi-Spy pointed out, Apple released an update to DVD Studio Pro today that fixes their HD DVD support. I was skeptical, but was able to take a 1440x1080i HDV mpeg-2 video file, dolby digital 2.0 audio, and build a project with a motion menu, chapter marks, and transitions and it played back in my Toshiba XA1! previously it didn't work at all.

Let the burning begin... :)

Assuming this is for Macs only, not Windows?

Assuming this is for Macs only, not Windows?

correct - Mac only

correct - Mac only

Hello fellow Mac + HD DVD owner :)

As WiFi-Spy pointed out, Apple released an update to DVD Studio Pro today that fixes their HD DVD support. I was skeptical, but was able to take a 1440x1080i HDV mpeg-2 video file, dolby digital 2.0 audio, and build a project with a motion menu, chapter marks, and transitions and it played back in my Toshiba XA1!

Good to hear, but does Apple's output work on a HD-A2, HD-XA2, and Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive + console? These other drives are where compatibility is an issue. Also, what kind of blank media types does the Apple software support, e.g., dvd-r sl, dvd+r sl, dvd-r dl, HD dvd-r sl, etc.? (SL= single layer, DL= dual layer).

Works fine with DVD-R SL and DVD-RW SL on a HD-E1, which I assume is simular to the HD-A2. Source was a FCP HDV project (60i) with native video (not recompressed) and audio transcoded to DD 2.0 with compressor.

Works fine with DVD-R SL and DVD-RW SL on a HD-E1, which I assume is simular to the HD-A2. Source was a FCP HDV project (60i) with native video (not recompressed) and audio transcoded to DD 2.0 with compressor.


Yes same result here with HD-E1 and FCP HDV 60i project and DVD Studio Pro. Unfortunately the Toshiba HD-E1 does not yet support 50i...

Good to hear, but does Apple's output work on ... Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive + console? ...

It does work on the 360, however I've noticed that button highlights and slideshows aren't working correctly. The slideshows don't work at all (it just shows the first slide then jumps to to the end), and the button highlights when using text don't appear (or are inconsistent). When the content didn't work on the 360, it did work fine on the Toshiba XA1.

Hopefully Microsoft will correct these issues in the pending Spring software update.

The process we're taking about in this thread is to take video shot originating on HD camcorders, capture it, edit, and write to a (conventional) DVD, in true HD DVD format. The video is actually captured by the HD camcorder and stored on tape in widescreen 1440x1080 60i (or 50 outside US). It remains in that same format throughout the process and ends up at that resolution on the (HD) DVD. So the camcorder records in true widescreen. These camcorders are actual widescreen camcorders; nothing is "anamorphed" at any point if it stays in high defintion. Even the LCD screen on my HV10 is widescreen, and playing back the video fills the screen.

1440x1080 16:9 video is, by definition, anamorphic - i.e. pixels which are wider than they are tall - isn't it? It certainly isn't square pixels. (1440x1080 in 1:1 square pixels is 4:3 isnt't it - so you could argue that 1440x1080 16:9 is a form of anamorphic video)

I'm not slating 1440x1080 picture quality (after all HDCam has subsampled to 1440x1080 on-tape for years - and it is one of the most popular HD production formats!) - however if it isn't "anamorphic" - I'm not sure what anamorphic means?

this is a great way to archive r5000 recordings. a big thanks to all contributors. now the problem becomes finding a way to get more than approx. 70 minutes of content (average) on a DL DVD. would be nice to have the ability to fit a 2 hour movie on a single DL DVD without compromising pq. Oh well, guess we'll have to keep on splitting content across disks until BR recordable disk prices drop to reasonable levels.

this is a great way to archive r5000 recordings. a big thanks to all contributors. now the problem becomes finding a way to get more than approx. 70 minutes of content (average) on a DL DVD. would be nice to have the ability to fit a 2 hour movie on a single DL DVD without compromising pq. Oh well, guess we'll have to keep on splitting content across disks until BR recordable disk prices drop to reasonable levels.

Problem is BDMV authored disc support is all over the map as far players are concerned..

More custom HD DVD covers by Brajesh added:

http://www.wifi-spy.org/coverart

:)

Problem is BDMV authored disc support is all over the map as far players are concerned..

Do you know of any blu-ray players that play homemade discs on regular DVD's?

I made a homemade blu-ray disc and it plays on my PC with Powerdvd but I plan on getting a "real" player soon. I haven't seen much talk about it in this forum?

Do you know of any blu-ray players that play homemade discs on regular DVD's?

I made a homemade blu-ray disc and it plays on my PC with Powerdvd but I plan on getting a "real" player soon. I haven't seen much talk about it in this forum?You're wondering why you haven't seen much talk about Blu-ray players in the HD-DVD Software forum?!

You're wondering why you haven't seen much talk about Blu-ray players in the HD-DVD Software forum?!

I will take that as a no! Oh well. I guess I will be sticking to HDDVD for homemade HD content.

I will take that as a no! Oh well. I guess I will be sticking to HDDVD for homemade HD content.

They will play in a PS3, and have been reported to play in the Panasonic and Samsung with a firmware update.

I've made a nice 17gig BD-RE of a recording I made a long time ago ;)
I authored the same recording to HD-DVD using 2 DVDR9s and a DVDR5, but swapping 3 discs is a pain. Much nicer to burn on a 25gig platter.

The PS3 currently downsaples the 5.1 audio on BD-RE's to 2 channel but hopefully it will be resolved in the next firmware update



You're wondering why you haven't seen much talk about Blu-ray players in the HD-DVD Software forum?!

And I think you haven't seen much talk about Blu-Ray burning over hear becuase generally any talk of blu ray and people are afraid of getting their heads bitten off. Personally I'm a supporter of both formats and now author on both formats so I don't have any 'agenda'



Marc.

They will play in a PS3, and have been reported to play in the Panasonic and Samsung with a firmware update.

I've made a nice 17gig BD-RE of a recording I made a long time ago ;)
I authored the same recording to HD-DVD using 2 DVDR9s and a DVDR5, but swapping 3 discs is a pain. Much nicer to burn on a 25gig platter.

The PS3 currently downsaples the 5.1 audio on BD-RE's to 2 channel but hopefully it will be resolved in the next firmware update





And I think you haven't seen much talk about Blu-Ray burning over hear becuase generally any talk of blu ray and people are afraid of getting their heads bitten off. Personally I'm a supporter of both formats and now author on both formats so I don't have any 'agenda'



Marc.


Hi, Marc,

Are you using MF6+ to author to BD? There aren't too many things I'd spend the money to put on an expensive Blu-ray recordable. The price of the Sony burner dropped from $750 to $600 not too long ago, so the burner is getting there. When the recordable discs and the burner get more affordable, I'll definitely buy into Blu-ray.

Please, don't anyone bite my head off. :)

Hi, Marc,

Are you using MF6+ to author to BD? There aren't too many things I'd spend the money to put on an expensive Blu-ray recordable. The price of the Sony burner dropped from $750 to $600 not too long ago, so the burner is getting there. When the recordable discs and the burner get more affordable, I'll definitely buy into Blu-ray.

Please, don't anyone bite my head off. :)

Hey Joe,

I'm currently using Powerproducer 4.0 to make discs. Since it doesn't have to create the disc before it burns, it's quite fast. About 45 minutes for 20 gig. I'm authoring everything to BD-RE discs for now until the BD-Rs come down in price. That way I can experiment and I don't end up with a $14 coaster.
I'm gonna try MF6+ and see how it compares to Powerproducer 4 this week.

Marc.

Hey Joe,

I'm currently using Powerproducer 4.0 to make discs. Since it doesn't have to create the disc before it burns, it's quite fast. About 45 minutes for 20 gig. I'm authoring everything to BD-RE discs for now until the BD-Rs come down in price. That way I can experiment and I don't end up with a $14 coaster.
I'm gonna try MF6+ and see how it compares to Powerproducer 4 this week.

Marc.

I'd like to know how they stack up. I haven't used PowerProducer since version 5. Report, please?

You're wondering why you haven't seen much talk about Blu-ray players in the HD-DVD Software forum?!And I think you haven't seen much talk about Blu-Ray burning over hear becuase generally any talk of blu ray and people are afraid of getting their heads bitten off. Personally I'm a supporter of both formats and now author on both formats so I don't have any 'agenda'I'm interested in BD recordable discs too, but I think the BD forum is the more appropriate place to discuss bluray burning.

Like this thread:
My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=815296)
where they discuss BD blanks, the Sony BWU-100a recorder, Power Producer, PS3 playback, etc.

I don't think anyone is accusing anyone of having a BD vs HDDVD fan-boys agenda in this thread... options and alternatives are good. Right now, we have very few HDDVD recording options... that's why I'd like to keep this particular thread on topic as much as possible.

This thread is already too large... I'd prefer to keep it focused on HD DVD Authoring. But I don't moderate this forum, so keep painting this thread blue if you want.

this is a great way to archive r5000 recordings. a big thanks to all contributors. now the problem becomes finding a way to get more than approx. 70 minutes of content (average) on a DL DVD. would be nice to have the ability to fit a 2 hour movie on a single DL DVD without compromising pq. Oh well, guess we'll have to keep on splitting content across disks until BR recordable disk prices drop to reasonable levels.

If we can use AVC or VC-1 encodings, it's possible.

If we can use AVC or VC-1 encodings, it's possible.

hi, I would like to have thisn, because than I do not need to reencode my h.264 caps to mpeg2.
I have not read all of this 50 pages, but I did not encouter a solution for it. would be nice to have that!

greets, Andreas

I just bought MF6 and the built-in burner works fine -- no need for Nero. Nice advance, plus 5.1 is supported!!!

Questions:

1) Is 1080/24p supported?

2) Is 720p24 supported?

3) Is 720p30 supported?

4) Is 720p60 supported?

These are all Region 60 HDV video formats.

5) Is 1080/50i supported?

6) Is 720p25 supported?

7) Is 720p50 supported?

These are all Region 50 formats. I need to know what folks in R50 are able to burn.

Is it true that 25p is going to pushed aside in favor of 24p for the whole world? It seems this way.

Am I right in thinking 720p is "unsupported" at this time?

Just Wondering.....................if Blueray Could Be Played On Toshiba A1and A2 With A Firmware Update.................lg Its Coming Out With A Player That Does Both.....

sORRY GUYS MEANT BLU-RAY

Just Wondering.....................if Blueray Could Be Played On Toshiba A1and A2 With A Firmware Update.................lg Its Coming Out With A Player That Does Both.....

Nope.

If we can use AVC or VC-1 encodings, it's possible.

I think you mean if we "could" use AVC or VC-1 encodings... I'm with you and I feel your pain.

Searched but haven't found a way, but I'm not saying it's impossible.


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btw, is there a project page or wheterver outside avsforum where to find the needed textmex's hdpatch? I am just asking, because where to find possible updates, or where to link? I am want to set a link in our downloadsection on hdtvtotal to the hdpatchpage (for a future linking to this fine tutorial), but would prefer something like sourceforge or whatever, instead of a forum. because it is a downloadlink, and not a "source" link.

and a way to use avc/vc1 would also be great, lik I saif before!

greets,

Andreas

Didn't see anything on the first page about AVCHD. My wife just purchased a Sony hdr-ux5 camcorder for me. I was wondering if the dvds can be played back on a hddvd player. The box only mentions blue ray. I cant really open it and try because we'll have to pay the 15% restocking fee if it doesn't work out. Please someone help. Basically, my main question is whether or not I can play back HD recordings on a HD-DVD Player instead of a blueray player(which i dont have). If it is not possible I think I will return it for the hdr-sr1(hdd) or one of the hdr-uc_(minidv)

You will never see any Hi definition disc made on a Sony recorder of any type that will play back on a HD-DVD player, guaranteed. If it records standard video then it should play back as a regular DVD. If it's a Blu-Ray receorder then you're SOL.

You will never see any Hi definition disc made on a Sony recorder of any type that will play back on a HD-DVD player, guaranteed.

No, but if you can get the contents of the disk on your computer and it is a HD transport stream you could burn disks that would play on a HD DVD player. See if the manual is on-line and read up what it says about transfering your recoding to a PC.

Has anyone with MF6 tried taking the 2.0 PCM that is recorded in HDV and converted to DD 5.1? with the new tool available with Movie Factory 6?

Halfway down this PDF there is a sales pitch that says MF6 supports Dolby Digital 5.1 and:

"Your Stereo audio can be upsampled to 5.1 Surround Sound for that Home Theatre experience."

This would save me a step when I am making my own movies with my HDV Camcorder. Right now I have to strip the audio, convert it to bitstream and re-attach it before sending it off to MF5. Can someone try this and let me know?
Thanks.
p.

Can't speak about HD DVDs...

But for regular DVDs MovieFactory 6 does NOT pass through Dolby Digital 5.1

It converts it to Stereo or a weird 5.0 mono surround that's only meant to confuse people.

Beware.

TIM

Can't speak about HD DVDs...

But for regular DVDs MovieFactory 6 does NOT pass through Dolby Digital 5.1

It converts it to Stereo or a weird 5.0 mono surround that's only meant to confuse people.

Beware.

TIM


For HD-DVD , Moviefactory 6 passes Dolby Digital just fine.

Can't speak for regular SD DVDs.... don't make them, don't watch them.

Marc.

So, what specifically are we gaining w/MF6+ compared to MF5+? Trying to decide if I should upgrade.
- Can author homebrew HD DVDs w/o Nero
- Passes DD5.1 fine
- Anything else?

Ulead's website (http://www.ulead.com/dmf/compare.htm) mentions "Encode Blu-ray video format". Wonder if we can make homebrew BDs on DVD media just like homebrew HD DVDs. It mentions "HD DVD authoring", but not BD.

Ulead's website (http://www.ulead.com/dmf/compare.htm) mentions "Encode Blu-ray video format". Wonder if we can make homebrew BDs on DVD media just like homebrew HD DVDs. It mentions "HD DVD authoring", but not BD.

While you can write HD-DVD format to single or dual layer DVD media, you cannot burn BR format on a standard DVD disc. I've recorded about 4-5 movies onto homebrew HD-DVD on DL-DVD disc and they all played back fine on the A2 player.

The only media type MF6 allows you to burn BR format is to are BR discs. I'm glad they allow you to select DL-DVD or DVD as the media type in the HD-DVD burning module but I don't understand why they didn't include it as an option in the BR module. Perhaps this is something they can correct with an update but I don't know their history on improvements.

How about saving the BR authored files (that will fit onto a SL or DL DVD) to PC, then using Nero to burn to DVD? I'm guessing not.

Rats, just downloaded MF6 yesterday and have the Tosh A1. :eek:

How about saving the BR authored files (that will fit onto a SL or DL DVD) to PC, then using Nero to burn to DVD? I'm guessing not.


As I don't have a BR drive it won't let me complete the burning process but as best as I can tell there is no option for saving to disc.

Rats, just downloaded MF6 yesterday and have the Tosh A1. :eek:

its likely that discs created with MF6 will playback fine in an A1. I only tried an A2 and an XA2 as those were the players at the store.

How about saving the BR authored files (that will fit onto a SL or DL DVD) to PC, then using Nero to burn to DVD? I'm guessing not.

nothing will play them back. unfortunately, the PS3 (and others) won't look for BR content on DVD media. I'd think you should be able to play it back from a PC drive with a s/w player.

While you can write HD-DVD format to single or dual layer DVD media, you cannot burn BR format on a standard DVD disc. I've recorded about 4-5 movies onto homebrew HD-DVD on DL-DVD disc and they all played back fine on the A2 player.

The only media type MF6 allows you to burn BR format is to are BR discs. I'm glad they allow you to select DL-DVD or DVD as the media type in the HD-DVD burning module but I don't understand why they didn't include it as an option in the BR module. Perhaps this is something they can correct with an update but I don't know their history on improvements.
Have you tried making the folder and burning with Nero?

If your file is to large for one disc, what happens? is their an alternative to do 2 or 3 disc?

its likely that discs created with MF6 will playback fine in an A1. I only tried an A2 and an XA2 as those were the players at the store.


Sorry to say but was unable to capture therefore unable to burn and play, maybe I guess that so far I have been burned. :D