The official AVS Guide to HD DVD Authoring. [Text View] - Page 8

Capek

06-25-07, 03:16 PM

Somebody please help me! lol

Is there a better program for fixing video timestamp gaps? Because mpeg2repair ain't cuttin' it! Also, does anyone have any experience adding a subtitle file to a HD .ts recording?

What I'm trying to do is add an english subtitle track to a Korean HD broadcast of an anime movie called "Wonderful Days". What I've done so far is:

1 "Fix" the .ts file with mpeg2repair (still left with ~95444 seconds of timestamp gaps! and ~1.2 secs of audio stamp gaps.)

2 Convert "Fixed" .ts file to .mpeg using Womble, so I can open the file in virtualdubmod.

3 In virtualdubmod, I load the "textsub" filter and open the srt subtitle file, then open the .mpeg video. In virtualdubmod I select frameserve, following the guide here:
http://www.videohelp.com/virtualdubframeserve#problems

4 The reason for frameserving is so that you can encode the file with an HD encoder, which in my case is TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress. Using TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress, I open the dummy .avi file creating for the purposes of frameserving, but am unable to figure out how to encode using TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress without doing a bunch of crazy processing.

That is where I am, stumped, as I have been for a long long time, when it comes to subbing this HD file. Surely I can't be the first person that wanted to sub a HD .ts file? Please, if anybody can help me I'd greatly appreciate it. I was all exciting thinking TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress would be the answer, but now I'm really bummed to be back to sqaure one. :(

HAHA! I found a solution, or I should say Ulead provided a solution. Namely Ulead DMF ver 6. It adds the ability to add optional subs to a HD-DVD. It adds about 10 seconds to the process, is just awesomely easy and quick. When you do this and output the resulting EVO folder, an additional folder called "ADV_OBJ" is produced, which is empty. But on my test burn I added the folder as I did the HVDVD_TS folder, and it played perfectly on my A1. I just clicked the subtitle button on my remote, and voila, I have English subs on my home made HD-DVD of Wonderful Days!

Ah, what a wonderful day! :cool: :D

drsmithdtv

07-03-07, 11:34 AM

I'd love to create a tool to author simple VC1 HD-DVD's, but I would need one (or more) of the following:

An "insider" kind enough to "share" the data/file structure of either:
1) the MAP file and the VTI file
or
2) the IFO file

---AND/OR---

Someone with Scenarist willing to author and share a handful of very short/simple VC1 encoded HD-DVD's for a "reverse engineering" effort...

---OR---

$6000 to purchase the HD-DVD specs...
Is there any information on the .MAP files ?

I'm interested in creating a .MAP file for two EVO's that I have joined into one.

Looking at the two MAP files in notepad, the code is just too complex to know what to paiste and edit to join them into one.

Joseph Clark

07-03-07, 04:21 PM

Has anyone tried Ulead VideoStudio 11 yet? It's supposed to support AVCHD, but does it render to MPEG2?

Vanboozin

07-03-07, 05:57 PM

VideoReDo won't accept my .MKV files ( can i fix this, or is there another way to convert .mkv to .mpeg without quality loss ?) before i load into ulead movie factory.

i really wanna try this guide but i'm kinda stuck
this guide is so close to what i need .i have many .mkv files that i would love to burn to regular dvd or dual layer dvd & watch on my HD-DVD Player

Any help is greatly appreciated !!

i have :

- VideoReDo 2.5.5.512
- Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6.0 Plus
- Nero Burning Rom 6.6.0.8
- Plextor 716a
- Toshiba HD-A2
- Samsung LN-T4661F

greg_mitch

07-03-07, 07:06 PM

Has anyone tried Ulead VideoStudio 11 yet? It's supposed to support AVCHD, but does it render to MPEG2?

I just purchased Ulead Video Studio 11 Plus. I have a Canon HV20 so I won't be using the AVCHD features. Is there a clip somewhere (preferably small) that I could use to test with.

I am a complete noob to this so I am still trying to figure out how to burn some HD-DVD's on my regular DVD's. I am still reading!

greg_mitch

07-03-07, 07:09 PM

22 min shows should fit on a single layer DVD, 44 min shows will need a double layer. You can use Nero to burn the MPEGs to DVD in HD DVD format. Media results vary, but most report good results with Verbatim. I use mostly Memorex, but some have had spotty results using this brand. Your burner may be more of a factor than the discs. Good results are reported with Plextor, NEC and Pioneer, but results do vary by model number.

Do you have to use Nero to burn the HD-DVD content to the regular DVD's? I am having a hard time turning over another $80 for a million features in Nero that I will never use. Can I just purchase the burning part separate from all these media features they now have bundled? I just selected HD-DVD15 in Video Studio 11 last night to try and burn a hidef version of my theater intro and tried to play it in xbox add-on and it froze on the menu screen. I need to figure out if I can get rid of the menu altogether.

Joseph Clark

07-03-07, 07:19 PM

Joseph Clark

07-03-07, 07:20 PM

pteittinen

07-04-07, 05:44 AM

VideoReDo won't accept my .MKV files ( can i fix this, or is there another way to convert .mkv to .mpeg without quality loss ?) before i load into ulead movie factory.
There are no professional/prosumer authoring wares that accept MKV as input. Since most of them contain H.264/x264 video (I assume your files do as well), you're pretty much out of luck, since MovieFactory et al. don't accept H.264/x264 as input either. This means you need to do a complete re-encoding of the file into MPEG-2 (and suitable audio format), which usually takes several hours for a 2-hour movie, for example.

mikeyari

07-04-07, 10:53 AM

Vanboozin
VideoReDo won't accept my .MKV files ( can i fix this, or is there another way to convert .mkv to .mpeg without quality loss ?) before i load into ulead movie factory.

Stop the Press!!!!! I`ve got great news!!!

Your "MKV" files can be re-encoded to mpg files in three hours using a program I found that works perfectly. This program is called PS3 CONVERTER!!!

It doesn`t matter if you have vc1 or avc in your mkv container...this baby will convert smoothly.

you will get the exact same quality as your mkv file. Check it out....Quick guide.

Open program, choose settings,
under device choose ps3,
under profile choose Mpeg 2 1080p 6144kbs stero/192kbs,
choose the same settings under one click,
over to the right choose edit profile,
choose ps3 1-pass or ps3-2 pass,
1-pass gives exact same quality in about 2:30 hours.
choose video, set your average bit rate to 19456, max resolution to 1920x 1080, under advance 1 tab put buffer se
at 20000, min bitrate 0, max bitrate 25000, keyframe int 300, number of threads 1 and under advance tab 3 check CABAC.

Click ok then down on bottom right choose save converter settings or you will loose them.

I use these settings for all 1280 x 544 or 720p resolutions. I start out with an mkv file 4.37 or such after conversion I end up with a like 6.37 gb of exact quality mpg file.

Now you can play around with the average bit rate and choose the profile as is bu i got picture noise/ degration which I couldn`t tolerate until found the settings to eliminate it. Also play with max and min bitrate setting for smaller size or choose the 720p profile and set with my same settings...play aound for the pq that you like.

And the mpg file we just re-encoded from mkv to mpg I use tpmg`s simple demux to get rid of the 192kb of audio.

Now audio, I demux with mkvtoolin from the original mkv file save... to be muxed back with tpmg simple mux with re-encoded mpg and original ac3 audio... sweet!!!

Now the new file has no sync issues. It`s excepted into videoredo with a problem, haven`t tried any other mpeg editors and from here you guys can follow the guide on the first page now that you have a beautiful mpeg file.

captain_video

07-04-07, 10:41 PM

Do you have to use Nero to burn the HD-DVD content to the regular DVD's? I am having a hard time turning over another $80 for a million features in Nero that I will never use. Can I just purchase the burning part separate from all these media features they now have bundled? I just selected HD-DVD15 in Video Studio 11 last night to try and burn a hidef version of my theater intro and tried to play it in xbox add-on and it froze on the menu screen. I need to figure out if I can get rid of the menu altogether.
There is an option to burn using DVDMF6 but Nero provides the option to burn in X-Box compatibility mode. Check outlets like CompUSA or Outpost.com for specials on Nero. I see it advertised all the time with rebates that end up making the software either free or only a couple of bucks. I've also seen OEM versions on ebay for about $5-10 or perhaps slightly more. Nero comes in several different versions so you might want to check the Nero website for info on each version to see if they have a stripped down model that suits your needs.

There are programs such as DVDFab Platinum that work well to strip out the menus and extraneous features present on most DVDs. Unfortunately, I don't believe they offer a version that does this with HD-DVDs or BD discs yet. There is a free version of DVDFab Decryptor HD available that strips out the AACS encryption. Check out the download section at www.dvdidle.com for details. The options for ripping just the main movie are there but I don't believe they're active in the free version.

Tom Roper

07-05-07, 01:47 AM

I use Nero 7.9 Ultra Edition, and it isn't needed anymore with MF6+.

DigitalfreakNYC

07-05-07, 10:23 AM

Sorry to bounce in...but is there still no way to burn advanced codecs yet to disc??

Vanboozin

07-05-07, 06:41 PM

greg_mitch

07-05-07, 06:50 PM

I use Nero 7.9 Ultra Edition, and it isn't needed anymore with MF6+.

Ok, I have Ulead Video Studio 11 Plus which is presumably more advanced than MF6+, right? So I should have all those features plus more?

Is the xbox compatibility box called something like x compliant. I don't remember seeing specifically anything called xbox.

mikeyari

07-05-07, 07:23 PM

Can anyone elp me with my problem. I had this happen when I burned my first red laser hddvd like a year ago.

The soure resolution is at Ratio 1:1 ,1280 x 544@23.97. I`ve patched it at 16:9 ,1280 x 720 @ 59.94, but the final dvd plays center with a huge black bar at the bottom at like 30% of the screen. When I patched this movie to run through Ulead dvd movie factory 5, I had set it at 1440 x 1080@29.97. 6:9.

This caused the final dvd to play way up in the left hand corner of the screen.

Should I re-encode the 23.97 rate into 59.95? Is there a resloution I can patch this to?

I can`t remember what I did to fix it and my search won`t pull any info, yet I remember someone had this problem last year.

Vanboozin

07-05-07, 07:41 PM

"mikeyari" which version of PS3 Converter are u using
the ones i have dont give me the options your suggesting
thanks again

Joseph Clark

07-05-07, 07:47 PM

kemac

07-05-07, 07:51 PM

"mikeyari" which version of PS3 Converter are u using
the ones i have dont give me the options your suggesting
thanks again

I think he gave out the wrong program name, a link would have been helpful...

Looks like PS3 Video 9 is the program he was excited about, just giving it a try now.

PS3 Video 9 (http://www.redkawa.com/videoconverters/)

mikeyari

07-05-07, 08:12 PM

"mikeyari" which version of PS3 Converter are u using
the ones i have dont give me the options your suggesting
thanks again

Oh, sorry. version 2.21. http://www.redkawa.com/videoconverters/ps3video9/

mikeyari

07-05-07, 08:17 PM

Did you try patching the EVO files back to the original resolution before the burn?

thank you that`s exactly what I was trying to do but my burn failed on the second layer.

I didn`t want to try because the resoultion was 1280x 544 so I thought the xbox would see it as non compliant.

I going to test on a dvd-rw with a demo clip . I`ve ruined 5 dl disk on this resolution thing.

captain_video

07-05-07, 08:27 PM

In case anyone's interested, Outpost.com currently has Nero Ultra Edition for $70 with $70 in rebates for a net cost of $0.

greg_mitch

07-05-07, 11:24 PM

In case anyone's interested, Outpost.com currently has Nero Ultra Edition for $70 with $70 in rebates for a net cost of $0.

Only really a $50 rebate unless you have another full retail boxed version of:

Roxio:
Easy Media Creator
Easy CD & DVD Creator
Nero:
Nero 5
Nero 5.5
Nero 6 Ultra Edition

Online purchases of any of these does not qualify.

Heck still a great price though. Expires today!

Marc D Carra

07-07-07, 08:05 PM

Not really related to HD-DVD, but related to question I'm about to ask. I finally had success playing back a Blu-Ray authored DVDR tonight, with my new Samsung BDP-1200 player. I used the same technique we've been using for a year to do HD-DVD DVDR movies. First create the image file with Ulead DVD Movie Factory 5, and then burn it with Nero to a DVDR (or dual layered DVDR). The resulting disc plays back perfectly in the Samsung 1200 Blu-Ray player, with 5.1 audio. I tried this numerous times with the PS3 I owned and it would not recognize a Blu-ray authored DVDR disc, so I was amazed that they play in the Samsung player.

Now the question that is 100% related to this thread:

If I want to take some of my HD-DVD red laser DVDRs I have created over the year, and rip the demux Mpeg2 stream from the EVO file, which utility do I need to use. I read about it somewhere but can't remember.

EDIT: I just had to read back in the thread a bit to find my answer. EVO Demux should do the trick.

Marc.

Hyrax

07-07-07, 10:32 PM

Marc-
EVODemux creates two files from an EVO file- a video stream and an audio stream. You'll need to find a way to connect the two to make (Mux ?) a MPEG2 stream. If you find a free one, let me know :)

Tom Roper

07-09-07, 12:01 AM

Joseph Clark

07-09-07, 03:00 AM

IIRC, there was some discussion about this issue early on, with some people unable to get clean playback without setting DVD-ROM booktype on in the burner. Odd that you have the reverse situation. Will be interested to see if others experience this, too. Some burners do not allow you to set the booktype, unfortunately, or set it automatically to DVD-ROM (Pioneers?).

fatherom

07-09-07, 08:47 AM

The A2 problem of 1080i/p content authored onto DVD+R DL media is solved.

It didn't make sense to me that I could burn DVD+RW disks that played back flawlessly, but when I used the +R or +R DL media it stuttered so badly it was unplayable.

The solution was to turn off DVD-ROM booktype bit setting in the burner. (There is no corresponding DVD-ROM setting possible for +RW media.) As long as the player identifies the HD-DVD authored content as DVD+R/RW/DL media and not DVD-ROM, playback is flawless. Fast forwarding and reversing is also smoother.

The above observations apply to 1080i/p mpeg2 streams authored to the HD-DVD format and played back on the A2. DVD-ROM booktype bit setting works fine for conventional SD DVD content on the A2.

Cool deal...I may try this today.

What's the bitrate of the content that stop stuttering for you once you changed the booktype?

You meant to say there's no corresponding setting possible for -RW media right?

I discovered that Nero and ImgBurn allow you to choose what happens to the bitsetting on my Sony DRU-810A drive, so here's hoping this works...I'm sick of paying $4 a blank for Verbatim DVD-R DLs. :)

Chris

Tom Roper

07-09-07, 09:10 AM

Tom Roper

07-09-07, 09:11 AM

Cool deal...I may try this today.

What's the bitrate of the content that stop stuttering for you once you changed the booktype?

You meant to say there's no corresponding setting possible for -RW media right?

I discovered that Nero and ImgBurn allow you to choose what happens to the bitsetting on my Sony DRU-810A drive, so here's hoping this works...I'm sick of paying $4 a blank for Verbatim DVD-R DLs. :)

Chris

No, I meant there's no way to bit-set DVD+RW media type to DVD-ROM. At least not on my Plextor PX716 burner.

The bit rate content is 25 mbps, 1080i60 HDV camcorder footage. 100% smooth. Next I'm going to insert the DVD+R DL disk in the A1 and verify whether it plays properly in that model as well.

I was unable to even locate a retailer who stocks DVD-R DL, so this is good news. I hope your testing of the bitsetting gives the same result.

Tom Roper

07-09-07, 09:31 AM

The DVD+R DL disk with booktype bitsetting not set to DVD-ROM plays flawless on the A1 as well, just tested this.

I've noticed that since upgrading the A1's firmware to V2.3, the behavior mirrors or is very similar to the A2 with V2.0 firmware. The A1 used to not stutter for me, but upon upgrading (from V1.4) to 2.3 it introduced intermittent stutter in the first 20-25 seconds of playback with DVD-R media or DVD+R like the A2.

Anyway, both are so far 100% free of stutter by using DVD+R, DVD+R DL with booktype bitsetting to DVD-ROM not set.

rlsnyder

07-09-07, 10:03 AM

Tom Roper

07-09-07, 10:17 AM

Russ, I got that message several times last nite when attempting playback from DVD-R media. Reloading, rebooting several times would usually get it to play.

That's why I was on a campaign to find something more reliable, to make DVD+R media work, which for me was behaving better if I could get it to play at all in the A2, which in the end required that DVD-ROM bitsetting *not* be used for HDV files.

If you want, send me a PM, we can exchange addresses, send me your disk, I'll see if it plays on mine, if not fix it so it does and send back to you to see if it plays in yours. I'm interested because I want cross platform compatibility, so we have to get to the bottom of these issues.

fatherom

07-09-07, 10:59 AM

No, I meant there's no way to bit-set DVD+RW media type to DVD-ROM. At least not on my Plextor PX716 burner.

The bit rate content is 25 mbps, 1080i60 HDV camcorder footage. 100% smooth. Next I'm going to insert the DVD+R DL disk in the A1 and verify whether it plays properly in that model as well.

I was unable to even locate a retailer who stocks DVD-R DL, so this is good news. I hope your testing of the bitsetting gives the same result.

Oh, now I see what you meant about +RW bitsetting.

I had to buy the expensive DVD-R DLs from newegg.

I'm about to try a burn on Verbatim DVD+R DL and will report what happens.

Chris

fatherom

07-09-07, 11:00 AM

I have prepared an HDV DVDR, following the instructions in the first entry on this thread. When I try to load this DVDR into my HD A2, I get the following error message:

"This disk is not DVD format. Cannot play the disk."

What's my problem?

Source video is HDV clip captured from HDR-FX1 using CapDVHS, 1440 by 1080i, 25 Mbps.

Clip processed without apparent difficulty with latest version of VideoReDo.

HVDVD_TS Folder prepared without apparent difficulty with Movie Factory 5.

Taiyo Yuden DVDR written in UDF format without apparent difficulty with Nero 6.6.

DVDR contains HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS folders in root directory. VIDEO_TS folder contains dummy VIDEO_TS.VOB file.

Firmware for HD A2 is original firmware. This firmware has not been upgraded.

The HD A2 plays commercial HD DVDs, commercial DVDs, and DVDRs without apparent difficulty.

Russ Snyder

Russ,

I've had this happen a couple times. I've NEVER been able to get the disc to play. What's funny is that if I burned the same content onto a DVD+R DL (it was originally on a DVD-R DL), the disc played, but I had stuttering. Gonna try Tom's bitsetting trick to see if that removes the stuttering.

Chris

fatherom

07-09-07, 11:39 AM

I just tried burning Usual Suspects (1080i, ~17.6mbps video) to a Verbatim DVD+R DL. In Nero, under 'Choose Recorder', I changed the booktype setting on my Sony DRU-810A burner from "DVD-ROM" to "Physical Disc Type". When the disc burned, Nero said it changed the booktype to "DVD+R DL", as expected. (Until today, I didn't even know you could do that! I thought the booktype was automatically changed by the burner.)

The disc played great. No stuttering during the first few minutes, which is where it usually presents itself. Also, as Tom mentioned, much smoother rewind and fast forward. It's funny that this simple flag changes so much how the Toshiba "deals with" the disc.

I'm running the A2 with 2.0 fw. That leads me to wonder...as firmware updates come, are we gonna be subject to discs that didn't work before all of a sudden working and vice versa? I'd hate to spend all this time making all these HD-DVDs only to have them stop working someday.

I find it interesting that Toshiba's own specs for the HD-A2 say that only -R and -RW media is supported. :)

Thanks for the tip, Tom...this will save me a ton of money on blanks and no more stuttering! Newegg has 20 Verbatim DVD+R DLs for $35.99 with free shipping. Great deal.

Chris

Tom Roper

07-09-07, 12:31 PM

HDTVFAN0001

07-09-07, 01:20 PM

I'm running the A2 with 2.0 fw. That leads me to wonder...as firmware updates come, are we gonna be subject to discs that didn't work before all of a sudden working and vice versa? I'd hate to spend all this time making all these HD-DVDs only to have them stop working someday.

I find it interesting that Toshiba's own specs for the HD-A2 say that only -R and -RW media is supported. :)
I found this to be the case with DVD +R disks I burned using the A2 under firmware V1.6 and now V2.0 as well. :)

To my pleasant surprise, I have yet to find a disk it won't play (DVD +R).

But then....it's playing every disk (HD DVD, DVD, etc.) without any problems at all, so why should this undocumented capability be a surprise... :D

Maybe I should try a Blu Ray platter just for fun...OK...just kidding... :eek:

Joseph Clark

07-09-07, 02:48 PM

Thanks for this tip, Tom. This has the potential to help a lot of people.

I'll be making a note in the guide.

Joseph Clark

07-09-07, 02:58 PM

I just changed the guide. It's #5 under "Special Warnings." Please take a look and let me know if this needs to be amended at all. I'm in the middle of a massive computer overhaul and I don't have the software up and running.

Tom Roper

07-09-07, 05:27 PM

Special warning #5 contains appropriate language as you've written it.

fatherom

07-09-07, 07:47 PM

So this discovery of being able to use the cheaper DVD+R DLs has caused me to get off my butt and do some more movies that I've been meaning to do. :)

I have a 720P ABC capture of the Lion King. Problem is, it seems that the original TS file "bounces" or "jumps" up and down several times per second. It does this in VRD, Womble, and on the A2 if I author the content to an HD-DVD.

I tried ReStream, since that can fix field order/interlacing issues. But, then I realized this is 720P, which shouldn't be dealing with interlacing at all, right?

Has anyone else ever seen this with HD content, especially 720P content? If so, how was it corrected (if at all)?

Thanks,

Chris

fatherom

07-09-07, 08:31 PM

Never mind...I found out that apparently the original TS is just really messed up and nothing can be done. It's not an interlacing problem, just a really messed up capture.

fatherom

07-09-07, 10:40 PM

Awesome Chris. I totally agree with everything you observed, the stuttering in the opening moments, the stated specification for DVD-R compatibility but not +R, and the shared concern about future firmware updates.

Hi Tom,

I made two HD-DVDs today (Usual Suspects and Lion King) using the new method. They both worked great.

I did notice one little thing. I'm pretty sensitive to sound, so I don't think I'm imagining it. :) I noticed during both movies little audio stutters, barely audible, but noticeable. They sound a lot like the audio stutters we used to hear when using DVD+R DL with DVD-ROM for the booktype, but fewer, further between, and much shorter in length (like 1/10th of a second). Again, vaguely noticable pops here and there throughout the movie.

Just wondering if you've noticed this with any of the discs you've burned using the new booktype method.

Chris

wittangamo

07-10-07, 07:57 AM

I want to thank you guys for helping me fit the last piece in the compatibility puzzle.

My trusty old Xbox 360 add-on, now connected to my PC, thrived on a steady diet of inexpensive Ritek +R and Memorex +R DL. I burned using Nero with book type set to DVD-ROM. When I had minor stuttering for the first minute or so, I fixed it by switching the UDF setting from Xbox compatibility to UDF 2.50.

Then I bought an HD D2 from Costco. An otherwise terrific machine, it choked on my collection of OTA HDTV recordings. In most cases, it gave me a "This disc is not in DVD format" error.

I tried copying on better media, Tayo Yuden and Verbatim. I tried switching back to Xbox compatibility. A few discs would start, but stuttered so badly they were unwatchable.

It wasn't until I set the book type back to "Physical Disc Type" in Nero that I found the perfect recipe to satisfy my picky Toshiba.

Meanwhile the Xbox drive will swallow anything I give it without so much as a hiccup. Gotta' be in the firmware.

It cost me a few coasters to figure this out, but you guys sped the process of elimination by sharing here. Much appreciated.

fatherom

07-10-07, 08:15 AM

cnickersonjr

07-10-07, 08:41 AM

Are there any home brew HD-DVD's floating around? I don't have the means to create one, but would love to have one! There's a HT Demo Disc thread over in the theater construct thread, but I see nothing but DVD demo disc! These can be downloaded via FTP. Any HD-DVD Demo disc available this way?

rlsnyder

07-10-07, 10:16 AM

I have prepared an HDV DVDR, following the instructions in the first entry on this thread. When I try to load this DVDR into my HD A2, I get the following error message:

"This disk is not DVD format. Cannot play the disk."

What's my problem?

Source video is HDV clip captured from HDR-FX1 using CapDVHS, 1440 by 1080i, 25 Mbps.

Clip processed without apparent difficulty with latest version of VideoReDo.

HVDVD_TS Folder prepared without apparent difficulty with Movie Factory 5.

Taiyo Yuden DVDR written in UDF format without apparent difficulty with Nero 6.6.

DVDR contains HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS folders in root directory. VIDEO_TS folder contains dummy VIDEO_TS.VOB file.

Firmware for HD A2 is original firmware. This firmware has not been upgraded.

The HD A2 plays commercial HD DVDs, commercial DVDs, and DVDRs without apparent difficulty.

Russ Snyder

Sorry, folks. Just found my problem. (Let's just say, I missed a crucial setting in Clark's guide, the one forcing Xbox DVD video compliance. The corrected DVD-R now plays perfectly. And it looks like I don't even need the VIDEO_TS folder.)

Thanks, Joe.

Tom, I appreciate your willingness to have a look at my DVD-R, but I think there is no longer any reason to send it on to you. Good luck with your DL DVD+Rs.

Now if only someone could figure out how to incorporate the more compressed formats ...

Russ Snyder

dargo

07-10-07, 12:36 PM

Brajesh

07-10-07, 12:56 PM

Guys, thanks so much for your solution to the stuttering issue. Changing the booktype setting on my DVD burners from "DVD-ROM" to "Physical Disc Type" did the trick. I can finally sell my HD-XA1 now and just keep the faster A2.

wittangamo

07-10-07, 12:57 PM

Are there any home brew HD-DVD's floating around? I don't have the means to create one, but would love to have one! There's a HT Demo Disc thread over in the theater construct thread, but I see nothing but DVD demo disc!

If you're just looking for a sample, I'd be glad to mail you, say, an episode of Heroes. PM if interested.

fatherom

07-10-07, 01:48 PM

Tom Roper

07-10-07, 08:46 PM

It looks like we made progress! I'm honored. Thank you all! But everyone shares the credit, because if YOU didn't try it, we would have never known.

Chris, so far I have not noticed the 1/10th second audio abberations.

Brajesh, you're going to finally sell your XA1 but, you're one of the reasons I held off buying the A2 for so long, Lol...

I only stumbled upon this because it didn't make sense to me that +RW media would play fine, but not +R. And in my workflow, the only difference was that my burner would not permit setting the booktype to DVD-ROM for +RW media. Since I was setting the book type to DVD-ROM for +R, that meant I was doing something different compared to +RW, hence the reason to try the physical disk type setting change.

The irony for +R media is that booktype DVD-ROM works fine for conventional 480i/p std definition authoring. It only fails on HD-DVD authoring, and only on the newer players, A2/A20 etc. But I noticed after upgrading the firmware on my old A1 from 1.4 to 2.3 it started to acquire some stuttering issues, and has benefitted from the same physical disk type bitsetting as well.

It occurs to me that the booktype setting may be used to set a focusing parameter for the laser pickup. But now I'm speculating. Best to just leave it this way, that even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn.

One thing I am curious about, is if anyone using MF6+ to perform the disk burn has been successful in getting that to play in the xbox360??? FWIW, I believe that once you set the booktype bit to "physical disk type" with Nero, the setting sticks after you close the nero application. Can anyone confirm?

rlsnyder

07-11-07, 10:43 AM

Sorry to inject a new topic into the discussion (once again), but ...

One goal that I thought might be attainable via Movie Factory, using techniques similar to those detailed in this thread, was some sort of scheme for encoding a high definition slideshow to DVD-R, playable through the HD A2.

Having spent a very frustrating day yesterday wrestling with the slideshow (and menu) capabilities of Movie Factory 5, I realize that, regardless of the resolution of the source images, what goes on the resulting slideshow DVD-R has been scaled to SD. (If you like, the slideshow branch of the application does not provide an HD DVD option as it does in the video DVD branch.)

One way to realize a high definition slideshow using Movie Factory and the HD A2 is to queue up the images on the timeline of a nonlinear editor (such as Vegas), render out the resulting video as an high definition .m2t file, and then convert this file to a DVD-R as described in this thread, using the video DVD branch of Movie Factory.

Does anyone know of any other more direct way to realize a high definition slideshow DVD-R, playable on the HD A2?

Russ

mtallent

07-11-07, 11:07 AM

I have Ulead moviefactory 6 plus and with HDTVtompeg2 I have been able to make
HD DVD's very well capping with capDVHS from broadcast channels like ABC,CBS,NBC
but I capped Live Earth from the cable station Universal HD and all looks fine I can play the .ts files with vlc just great but no matter what I do moviefactory 6 plus will not accept these caps (it hangs up at the video import screen) from universal HD channel I convert them to mpg with HDTVtompeg2 I have tried videoredo and mpeg-vcr and mpeg2repair all have failed with this channel any help as to what they could have put in the transport stream to mess with us? I don't know what else to try is there settings in capdvhs or HDTVtompeg2 I can change, please help I just want to archive these videos, thanks

Get the program HDPatch, I believe it is in the first part of this thread. Run it on one of your files and make sure that the bitrate reported is less than 25000000, if it is not then change the number to something less than 25000000. Also make sure that the resolution is 1080 not 1088 run fix1088 to change the header to 1080. Your files need to be in mpg format not .ts to import into Movie Factory. Use VideoRedo to convert .ts to mpg it is by far the best program for this conversion as everything else I tried for the conversion created errors in the data stream. HDTV2mpeg2 WILL NOT make correct mpg files, do not use it for conversion to mpg, also I cannot recommend Womble or VideoLAN for this conversion.

After I capture in .ts format, I run mpegrepair in logging mode only to check for any glitches. I edit and convert to mpg with VideoRedo and then run HDPatch to fix any problems and load into Movie Factory and burn with Nero 7.2 using the settings in this thread and have no problem playing on Toshiba HD-A1. Have done hundreds of dual layer +R disks.

dargo

07-11-07, 02:45 PM

Get the program HDPatch, I believe it is in the first part of this thread. Run it on one of your files and make sure that the bitrate reported is less than 25000000, if it is not then change the number to something less than 25000000. Also make sure that the resolution is 1080 not 1088 run fix1088 to change the header to 1080. Your files need to be in mpg format not .ts to import into Movie Factory. Use VideoRedo to convert .ts to mpg it is by far the best program for this conversion as everything else I tried for the conversion created errors in the data stream. HDTV2mpeg2 WILL NOT make correct mpg files, do not use it for conversion to mpg, also I cannot recommend Womble or VideoLAN for this conversion.

After I capture in .ts format, I run mpegrepair in logging mode only to check for any glitches. I edit and convert to mpg with VideoRedo and then run HDPatch to fix any problems and load into Movie Factory and burn with Nero 7.2 using the settings in this thread and have no problem playing on Toshiba HD-A1. Have done hundreds of dual layer +R disks.

Thanks so much for the tips, will give it a try this weekend.

cnickersonjr

07-11-07, 11:42 PM

jacked

07-12-07, 06:21 AM

Does anyone please have a download link for HDPatch ?
The link at the start is down and I can`t find another.
Thanks very much.

Joseph Clark

07-12-07, 11:06 AM

Does anyone please have a download link for HDPatch ?
The link at the start is down and I can`t find another.
Thanks very much.

I just tried it and it works for me.

wittangamo

07-12-07, 11:15 AM

One that can be burned to a DVD-R???

That's what this thread is about. Your proof is in the mail.

dargo

07-12-07, 12:55 PM

Get the program HDPatch, I believe it is in the first part of this thread. Run it on one of your files and make sure that the bitrate reported is less than 25000000, if it is not then change the number to something less than 25000000. Also make sure that the resolution is 1080 not 1088 run fix1088 to change the header to 1080. Your files need to be in mpg format not .ts to import into Movie Factory. Use VideoRedo to convert .ts to mpg it is by far the best program for this conversion as everything else I tried for the conversion created errors in the data stream. HDTV2mpeg2 WILL NOT make correct mpg files, do not use it for conversion to mpg, also I cannot recommend Womble or VideoLAN for this conversion.

After I capture in .ts format, I run mpegrepair in logging mode only to check for any glitches. I edit and convert to mpg with VideoRedo and then run HDPatch to fix any problems and load into Movie Factory and burn with Nero 7.2 using the settings in this thread and have no problem playing on Toshiba HD-A1. Have done hundreds of dual layer +R disks.

nope still MF6 plus hangs up when trying to import any video I capture from Universal HD, ABC-NBC-FOX-CBS all no problem dam anymore ideas?

Joseph Clark

07-12-07, 01:20 PM

nope still MF6 plus hangs up when trying to import any video I capture from Universal HD, ABC-NBC-FOX-CBS all no problem dam anymore ideas?

Are you with Dish? Dish moved to MPEG4, a format MF6 doesn't recognize for video import.

rlsnyder

07-12-07, 05:36 PM

Having spent a very frustrating day yesterday wrestling with the slideshow (and menu) capabilities of Movie Factory 5, I realize that, regardless of the resolution of the source images, what goes on the resulting slideshow DVD-R has been scaled to SD. (If you like, the slideshow branch of the application does not provide an HD DVD option as it does in the video DVD branch.)

Does Movie Factory 6 in fact have an HD DVD option in its slideshow branch? I saw a Ulead FAQ today that implied this might be the case.

Seeking confirmation before I upgrade,

Russ

dargo

07-13-07, 02:21 AM

Are you with Dish? Dish moved to MPEG4, a format MF6 doesn't recognize for video import.

nope comcast cable using a Motorola DCT6412
could Universal HD be using MPEG4 and vlc and mpc would still play them?
cause they play fine as .ts or .mpg

cnickersonjr

07-13-07, 02:23 AM

That's what this thread is about. Your proof is in the mail.
Daaaah. Thanks. Brain fart :p

Joseph Clark

07-13-07, 04:25 AM

nope comcast cable using a Motorola DCT6412
could Universal HD be using MPEG4 and vlc and mpc would still play them?
cause they play fine as .ts or .mpg

Although VLC and MPC could probably handle them, I doubt UHD is originating MPEG4. Not certain, though.

pixel_

07-13-07, 02:52 PM

Toshiba Europe is announcing the first HD-DVD BURNER in the Notebook Qosmio G40-11L:

http://de.computers.toshiba-europe.com/cgi-bin/ToshibaCSG/jsp/productPage.do?service=DE&PRODUCT_ID=132360&toshibaShop=false

http://www.zdnet.de/news/hardware/0,39023109,39156247,00.htm?h

http://de.internet.com/index.php?id=2050667

Guy's the DVD only game is over now you can real burn HD-DVD..:-)

wittangamo

07-13-07, 03:09 PM

When they offer a PC burner for $100 and HD DVD blanks for $2, I'm in. Until then I'll probably continue to play this game, which is actually a lot of fun.

I have quite a stack of HD DVD shows and movies on DVD+R and DVD+R DL now, many of them unavailable as commercial releases. They look great and cost only a little time and a small investment in blanks.

Joseph Clark

07-13-07, 08:16 PM

5thDanMaster

07-14-07, 03:30 AM

It is amazing what one can find on AVS.
Can I capture a movie via Comcast Cable? And how?

Joseph Clark

07-14-07, 04:24 AM

It is amazing what one can find on AVS.
Can I capture a movie via Comcast Cable? And how?

Google Nextcom R5000 and see if your cable box is on their list of supported devices.

AVS is your international window on the media world.

bourke

07-14-07, 05:47 AM

If I have a VC-1 video stream generated by Microsoft's VC-1 encoder - what Windows software can I use to mux it back with the audio stream ready for a HD DVD-9?

Preferably something less expensive than Sonic Scenarist!

ni9ht_5ta1k3r

07-14-07, 10:24 AM

I wonder if anyone has taken HD transport streams of TV shows and put them onto HD-DVD like Prison Break or 24 (Yes I just had to pick FOX shows).

wittangamo

07-14-07, 11:21 AM

It is amazing what one can find on AVS.
Can I capture a movie via Comcast Cable? And how?

Not if it's encrypted. You can do it with local network affiliates using the firewire output on a Moto cable box. It doesn't work on scambled channels -- which is most everything these days. There is another thread in the HDTV Recorder forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=403695

You can capture analog cable (while it lasts and at SD resolutions only) and HD OTA using any of several PC turners. Check the HTPC forums for that info.

All OT here. This thread is about burning whatever HD content you have, from a camcorder, TV capture or download, to a standard DVD in the HD DVD format.

I wonder if anyone has taken HD transport streams of TV shows and put them onto HD-DVD like Prison Break or 24 (Yes I just had to pick FOX shows).

Yes. Once you have the content, the instructions in this thread will work as long as the file is mpeg2. Other compression schemes pose problems. (At least for me.)

Clarence

07-14-07, 09:05 PM

I have not used MF6, so I can't compare to it. But I can compare to MF5 which I did use before though not extensively. Overall, it looks like magix is more pro oriented, with all the powerful tools for NLE, but it lacks in the burning department. I don't see a way to create ISO images with it, though it creates EVO and IFO files. Of course one can burn directly to a disk and so with some ISO tools I was able to see that it burms UDF 1.02 filesystem rather than UDF 2.5. I don't have an HD-DVD player so I tried the disk I burned in the same Fry's store and it did not play it, but I would attribute it to the very low quality LG DVD-R disk I used, as it initially showed the menu and then choked...
It does not do VC1 or AVC HD-DVDs, only Mpeg-2, there are some weird restrictions on using AC3, though Mpeg audio can be used just fine.
The choice of menu templates is greater than in MF5. As with other tools the magix only reencodes the parts that are affected by applied FX. Great UI, very intuitive. Very very good video and audio mixing tools. One can not only do the transitions between two video objects in a sequence, but also mix them from two "parallel" tracks, overlaying them in different ways (including chroma keying). It also has an audio samples generator to add backround music to video... So it is a keeper.
Magix Movie Edit Pro 12 is in tomorrow's BestBuy ad for $29.99

Now that you've had more time with it, would you recommend it for HD-DVD?

ni9ht_5ta1k3r

07-15-07, 06:04 AM

What sucks is:

a) I don't have an HD capture card
b) No HD-DVD authoring software
c) No HD-DVD writer/discs

wittangamo

07-15-07, 11:04 AM

What sucks is:

a) I don't have an HD capture card
b) No HD-DVD authoring software
c) No HD-DVD writer/discs

An HD DVD burner, when one is available, will be expensive for some time to come and the cheapest single-layer 15 gb blanks are now about $9. That's part of the reason this thread exists. We all want to experiment on the cheap.

Meanwhile you can get an ATI HDTV Wonder for $70-100 and DVD+R DL blanks for $1.50 each that will work on a $30 DVD burner. The software isn't free, but even at retail you could pick up everything you need for about the same price as a standalone HD DVD player. I had most of what I needed already from previous experiments with burning DVDs.

Meanwhile the aggravation of burning coasters in an effort to find the magic combination of settings that will let you roll your own HD DVDs is proceless. :o

BobRob

07-15-07, 12:39 PM

I'm wanting to author a DVD that makes use of HD DVD's downloadable web content feature. Is there a procedure or tutorial on how to do this?

speresh

07-15-07, 01:53 PM

Magix Movie Edit Pro 12 is in tomorrow's BestBuy ad for $29.99

Now that you've had more time with it, would you recommend it for HD-DVD?

Well, it does its job, but if you already have MF5 or MF6 you would not need this one. I use a lot of other tools for my video needs, like HC and TMPGenc encoders, Avisynth and so on, so I'm not relying on just this one tool to do everything.
Overall - I still like it over MF5.

DigitalfreakNYC

07-15-07, 04:20 PM

Any authoring programs that will do VC-1 or AVC yet?

Brajesh

07-15-07, 06:56 PM

That's what I'd like to know as well, especially as Dish is moving more & more HD channels to h.264 AVC.

Hyrax

07-15-07, 10:49 PM

That's what I'd like to know as well, especially as Dish is moving more & more HD channels to h.264 AVC.
I know nothing about h.264. If you record this to your PC (via R5000-HD?) what sort of container does it end up in? I know so little about h.264 that I'm not sure that question even makes sense...

texmex

07-16-07, 02:17 AM

Any authoring programs that will do VC-1 or AVC yet?
Not yet. Any day now... :rolleyes:

mhasanx

07-16-07, 03:15 AM

texmex

07-16-07, 08:01 AM

Hi, I have a one hour Wedding video, I want a 720P resolution but want to put it on a DVD5 4.7GB and should be playable on a regular DVD player NOT on HD DVD player, is it possible? if yes How? Thanks in advance. please HELP.
Uhh, you want to put high definition (720P) video on a standard DVD5 and have it play on a regular DVD player? You realize that DVD players are standard definition and only play standard definition (480p) DVDs, right? In order to put 720P footage on a playable DVD5 (and keep it in 720P), you'll need either an HD-DVD player or a "special" DVD player that plays HD DivX/Xvid/WMV (in which case you'd have to transcode the video). You can't author a 720P "standard" DVD.

mhasanx

07-16-07, 10:09 AM

Thanks texmex for your quick reply, you are right it cannot be done, need an HD-DVD player.

DigitalfreakNYC

07-16-07, 10:47 AM

Not yet. Any day now... :rolleyes:

???

what was the :rolleyes: for?

texmex

07-16-07, 11:16 AM

???

what was the :rolleyes: for?
Sorry - not directed at you, just been waiting a long time for that capability. If I'm not mistaken, Nero demonstrated HD-DVD authoring (AVC I think) at CES 2006! Being able to use the advanced codecs on home-brewed DVD5/9 would be HUGE. I'd buy the specs and build an app myself, but I don't have $5K sitting around. When the first "prosumer" tool hits the market, you can bet the news will get to this thread VERY quickly. FWIW, one of the Microsoft insiders in another thread claims that these tools will arrive "soon".

Hyrax

07-16-07, 12:39 PM

Thanks texmex for your quick reply, you are right it cannot be done, need an HD-DVD player.

Before you give up, there are lots of options for what you want to do. You might want to look for what texmex called a "special" DVD player that plays HD DivX/Xvid/WMV. There are lots of them out there, including a XBox 360 and PS3. I was at a friends house recently and we watched a HD Movie that was stored on his MacBook laptop as a MPG file ... it looked very good.

However, a HD DVD player is probably a lot easier for playback than any other option,

DigitalfreakNYC

07-16-07, 12:43 PM

Sorry - not directed at you, just been waiting a long time for that capability. If I'm not mistaken, Nero demonstrated HD-DVD authoring (AVC I think) at CES 2006! Being able to use the advanced codecs on home-brewed DVD5/9 would be HUGE. I'd buy the specs and build an app myself, but I don't have $5K sitting around. When the first "prosumer" tool hits the market, you can bet the news will get to this thread VERY quickly. FWIW, one of the Microsoft insiders in another thread claims that these tools will arrive "soon".

Awesome. Thanks for the response :)

fatherom

07-16-07, 03:28 PM

Has anyone else out there tried to convert an MKV using "PS3 Video 9" like that poster mentioned earlier?

I've tried converting an AVC video inside an MKV to a MPG2 Program Stream. I'm able to bring the resultant MPG file into VideoReDo, but when I try to cut selections and save it, VideoReDo yields a "Audio Ring Buffer Overflow".

I also tried demuxing the mp2 audio out of the MPG that PS3 Video 9 spit out, and muxing in the original AC3 audio using TMPG.

VideoReDo didn't like that much either. The audio stream wasn't even displayed in the Video Properties dialog.

Has anyone been able to make PS3 Video 9 convert an MKV into an MPG that VideoReDo actually likes?

Thanks,

Chris

davidimdpt

07-16-07, 06:13 PM

digitalvideo

07-16-07, 07:53 PM

For hd dvd advance authoring you can also goes to see netblender dostudio Mx, the product i now in beta and the final version his for less a month.

mhasanx

07-16-07, 11:46 PM

Before you give up, there are lots of options for what you want to do. You might want to look for what texmex called a "special" DVD player that plays HD DivX/Xvid/WMV. There are lots of them out there, including a XBox 360 and PS3. I was at a friends house recently and we watched a HD Movie that was stored on his MacBook laptop as a MPG file ... it looked very good.

However, a HD DVD player is probably a lot easier for playback than any other option,

Thanks Hyrax, sure I will look for the other options.

mhasanx

07-17-07, 12:03 AM

Hi guys,
first time posting in this forum. I have to make a photo and video slide show and was wondering which program you guys would recommend. I have a sony hdr-hc3 and casio exslim 750 with mpeg4 video. I want to make a slideshow for my son's first birthday party and my current editing program doesn't support mpeg 4 or the new HD formats. Is there a particular program that is better for doing photo and video presentations with great transitions and special effects for photo slideshows? I have been looking at Ulead DVD MovieFactory® 6 Plus or the Value Pack: VideoStudio 11 Plus & PhotoImpact 12 combo but don't know which one to get for my needs.

Thanks!

Try MemoriesOnTV (codejam) you can create High Definition slideshow by using AVI export feature in this program allows you to export your slideshow to AVI file format, using whatever VFW (Video For Windows) video codecs you have installed on your PC. 2 very common good AVI codecs to use are DivX and Xvid . For audio, you can use the LAME MP3 codec.

What’s interesting about the AVI export feature is that you can specify a custom output resolution (as long as the codec you’re using supports it).

You can generate 720p (1280×720) and even 1080p (1920×1080) widescreen slideshow, using both DivX and Xvid codecs.

wittangamo

07-17-07, 01:09 PM

Hyrax

07-17-07, 01:58 PM

Try MemoriesOnTV (codejam) you can create High Definition slideshow...You can generate 720p (1280×720) and even 1080p (1920×1080) widescreen slideshow, using both DivX and Xvid codecs.

That sounds like a very nice app. It appears that creates slideshows just from photos. Does it work with HDV files as well? Also, what can you use to play the slideshow back? I assume it needs either a PC (or Mac).

Thanks,
Tim

Hyrax

07-17-07, 02:00 PM

I can't even make an MPG that "I" like with that app. I tried converting a couple of different MKV files using the specified settings and several variations. In every case I wound up with a pixellated mess. Still waiting for a good converter.
It seems like the whole world is waiting for something that deals with MKV containers. Go read some of the HD Media server threads and you'll see what I mean.

mhasanx

07-17-07, 10:11 PM

That sounds like a very nice app. It appears that creates slideshows just from photos. Does it work with HDV files as well? Also, what can you use to play the slideshow back? I assume it needs either a PC (or Mac).

Thanks,
Tim

It does support both still photos and video clip formats, such as MPG, MOV and AVI
if you have HDV file in EVO format just rename it to MPG file and import in the software and export your project in AVI format to make a HD slide show.
You can use X360 HD drive or HD player to play it, but if you decide to make a regular DVD5 then you can use a Standard DVD player to play it.

bato

07-20-07, 03:16 PM

This is my progress so far:
- Source 1080i
- subtitles
- use MF6, adjust subtitles time to match the movie
- create ISO file directly from MF6
- media Memorex DL
- burn with ImgBurn (max speed and only burned at 0.7x, bad media? old burner?)
- booktype DVD-ROM, no way to change that on the burner
- A2 with fw 1.3 layer jump stuttered, upgraded to 2.0 and got great flow (no stutter)

I'll try TDK and Verbatim DL media next week. Hope for same result but faster burn speed, if not, then I'll try other burner.

bourke

07-20-07, 09:38 PM

bato

07-23-07, 11:17 AM

I used a Verbatim DVD+R DL and the ImgBurn reported burning at 0.7x (same as Memorex), so I'll try other burner, maybe I need to buy a new one, the burn speed is very very slow. The good news is that it plays without problems with booktype DVD-ROM on my A2 with fw 2.0.

I think the other I have is a Nec 3540, I think I can change the booktype with it. I hope I can burn faster with perfect playback.

replayrob

07-23-07, 11:20 AM

This is my progress so far:
- media Memorex DL
- burn with ImgBurn (max speed and only burned at 0.7x, bad media? old burner?)
Memorex does not manufacture it's own disc's, so theres only "Memorex branded media" no real Memorex brand media. Each batch of Memorex branded disc's you buy could have been be produced by a different manufacturer- there's just no way to get consistent results with Memorex branded disc's. Better off with Verbatim, TY, etc..
Check your Memorex disc's with one of the media code readers available: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/DVD_Identifier

bato

07-23-07, 11:34 AM

Memorex does not manufacture it's own disc's, so theres only "Memorex branded media" no real Memorex brand media. Each batch of Memorex branded disc's you buy could have been be produced by a different manufacturer- there's just no way to get consistent results with Memorex branded disc's. Better off with Verbatim, TY, etc..
Check your Memorex disc's with one of the media code readers available: ...
Thanks. Yes the Memorex and also the Fuji I bought are the same discs, rated as 3rd class media (from digitalFAQ), TDK DL are 2nd class and Verbatim are 1st class.

I read in this thread people with problems burning DL media with booktype DVD-ROM and A2, also that 3rd class media suffer from stutter but in my case it plays great, the problem I have is the burning speed, only 0.7x. I don't have a lot to burn on DL media, so if the answer to great playback is slow burning then I can live with that, but I'll test other options to see if I can find better burn speeds.

Tom Roper

07-23-07, 07:42 PM

Tom Roper

07-23-07, 07:49 PM

And this personal observation on media brands, specifically the comment about Fuji being a 3rd tier brand...I bought two large spindles of the Fuji +R media a year ago, they were Taiyo Yuden which is tops in quality. It may be they are like Memorex, just putting their brand on it. I recently bought some Maxell disks with high hopes, soon dashed to find these were Prodiscs same as I got from Memorex.

bato

07-23-07, 08:09 PM

Just to reiterate an observation, the A2's problem with +R DL media is only on disks authored to the HD-DVD format with booktype DVD-ROM. It plays std-def DVD authored disks fine with either booktype setting on the same media.
I think I was not clear enough, the memorex and Verbatim HD-DVD authored discs were burn in DL media, both burn at 0.7x (don't know why) and the burner automatically set the booktype to DVD-ROM on the DL media (no way to change it). Both discs play perfect on my A2 fw 2.0. ImgBurn display that the UDF used on the ISO is 2.5 (created with MF6 directly).

Tom Roper

07-24-07, 02:44 AM

I think I was not clear enough, the memorex and Verbatim HD-DVD authored discs were burn in DL media, both burn at 0.7x (don't know why) and the burner automatically set the booktype to DVD-ROM on the DL media (no way to change it). Both discs play perfect on my A2 fw 2.0. ImgBurn display that the UDF used on the ISO is 2.5 (created with MF6 directly).

How are you sure the booktype is DVD-ROM? Usually, when you don't have the option for setting it, the burner default is to the physical media type, i.e. DVD+R/DL, not DVD-ROM. The ability to bitset the booktype to DVD-ROM has been the feature, not the default in my experience, but perhaps that has changed.

Anyway...since setting the booktype to "physical disk type" (DVD+R DL) I burn at 6x without problem.

Joseph Clark

07-24-07, 02:48 AM

I think some of the Pioneer drives set the booktype automatically to DVD-ROM, and it couldn't be changed. I believe my Pioneer 108 and 109 used to do that.

Tom Roper

07-24-07, 03:16 AM

Would the Pioneer 108/109 burn on +RW? I don't think there's a DVD-ROM bitsetting option for rewritable media. If it could it just seems unusual since the fixed bitsetting defaults in that case would be DVD-ROM for write once media and physical disk type for rewritable media.

Other question, is on the +R disk you burn with the 108/109, were you using a utility (i.e. Nero or something else?) to interrogate the booktype parameter? Anything less would be an assumption.

Joseph Clark

07-24-07, 03:47 AM

Yes, the Pioneer would burn to +RW, but I didn't do that - only +R and +R DL. I used Nero to get info on the booktype after burning. I read about the Pioneer doing an automatic DVD-ROM setting, then checked it after a burn. Sure enough. The booktype could not be set in Nero. Some drives allow it, others not.

bato

07-24-07, 11:13 AM

How are you sure the booktype is DVD-ROM? Usually, when you don't have the option for setting it, the burner default is to the physical media type, i.e. DVD+R/DL, not DVD-ROM. The ability to bitset the booktype to DVD-ROM has been the feature, not the default in my experience, but perhaps that has changed.

Anyway...since setting the booktype to "physical disk type" (DVD+R DL) I burn at 6x without problem.
I read the disc information after burning and it say booktype DVD-ROM. My drive is a Samsung with lightscribe. I'll try my older burner and report back.

eagle100

07-25-07, 08:16 PM

I have a sony dhg-hdd250 is there a way to burn to dvd the hd shows on my hard drive?

Hyrax

07-26-07, 12:13 AM

I have a sony dhg-hdd250 is there a way to burn to dvd the hd shows on my hard drive?
I don't think so... at least not in HD.

You can make very high quality SD recordings by connecting to a DVD Recorder via S-Video cable. These can really look wonderful, for SD. Think of it as the opposite of garbage out...garbage in. :)

paintit77

07-26-07, 11:42 PM

Does anyone know how to change the Book Type Setting in Ulead MF6?

Brajesh

07-27-07, 10:31 AM

The booktype could not be set in Nero. Some drives allow it, others not.
You may be able to with hacked DVD writer firmwares available here (http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php). These firmwares also unlock rip speed & region-code restrictions.

bato

07-27-07, 10:57 AM

Does anyone know how to change the Book Type Setting in Ulead MF6?
You want to burn directly from MF6? I think most DVD creation apps don't change or set the booktype, my guess is that there is no way to change the booktype within MF6, depending on your burner there are software that set the booktype either for the session or until you change it back.

I create ISO files from MF6 and burn with ImgBurn, my burner set booktype DVD-ROM and it plays great on my A2.

I reported before that I burn at 0.7x but that is HD-DVD speed, I set Tools -> Settings -> Write -> Write Mode: HD-DVD on ImgBurn (but burn to DVD DL media), that's about 2.4x DVD speed. I just burn a TDK DL and it burn faster, almost 6x DVD speed on average. Verbatim, Fuji, Memorex all burn at 2.4x only TDK burn up to 8x, all play great.

LpChaos

07-30-07, 09:22 AM

Here's a question that MAY have been addressed (I don't feel like looking through 1800 posts and I did a basic search and nothing came up in relevance to my question).

Is there a way to Author HD DVD's on a Mac??? I looked through all the instructions and everything seems to point toward applications that require a PC.

Thanks!

craftech

08-01-07, 09:49 AM

DSKTexas

08-01-07, 10:11 AM

I think you'll have to record in HD for the picture to look any better. Just upconverting the 720x480 material isn't going to make it HD.

Hyrax

08-01-07, 10:33 AM

craftech

08-01-07, 10:46 PM

John-
You should be able to get something that looks as good as your original. How are you viewing your orginal?

The issue may be Vegas 4 (isn't the current version is Vegas 6 (or higher)). But Vegas has so many options for output that it may just be you've not found the one that writes out a good looking file. Try using the VideoReDo trial version and see if it does a better job.

Since your data is in SD you may want to also try burning a disk as a SD DVD. This makes more sense than trying to force it into a HD DVD format. And it will be easier.

I am viewing the original via Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD player to an HT projector on a homemade screen. The SD DVDs I create look the same as the HD DVDs I create. Neither look as good as the image fed from the original DV tape to the same player and projected onto the screen. When fed to a 32" CRT both look the same as well.

Vegas 4 has pretty much the same output choices as Vegas 7 using the same renderer. Movie Factory 6 isn't re-encoding the file rendered in Vegas. I may be trying to do the impossible withhout buying an HDV camera.

Maybe I'll give VideoReDo a try.

John

EDIT: Just looked at the VideoReDo home page. It is an Mpeg editor. Not sure why I need an Mpeg editor when I can edit in avi and render to Mpeg later. Please explain.

Thanks.

Hyrax

08-01-07, 11:23 PM

EDIT: Just looked at the VideoReDo home page. It is an Mpeg editor. Not sure why I need an Mpeg editor when I can edit in avi and render to Mpeg later. Please explain...

That's why you're seeing a reduction in quality. Going from your tape to AVI and then rendering in MPEG is causing the problem. Do whatever you can to go directly to MPEG. Is your camera digital? How are you getting the data from your camera to your computer? I assumed you were using firewire...

bato

08-02-07, 11:02 AM

Has anyone seen a good tutorial or post on a forum for creating an HD DVD using Ulead Movie Factory 6 from 4:3 720 x 480 camera footage?

I use Vegas 4.0 for editing and have tried every combination for rendering to MF6 compatible resolutions that I can think of and the HD DVDs don't look any better than the SD DVD versions when played on my Toshiba HD DVD player. The camera is a Sony VX2000 that shoots excellent 4:3 video. I am trying to get the HD DVD to look like the original DV tape or as close as possible. Someone must have figured out how to do it by now?

John
I think this is a little off-topic because the source material is not HD but maybe this apply to HD DV tape camcorders too. I don't have at hand a DV camcorder, but I worked with them before, so this is my theory that I need you to prove.

Your problem is the rendering done with Vegas 4.0, you need to work within MF6 or output the edit from Vegas back to AVI or DV tape, then import that on MF6, select project as HD DVD and let MF6 render the file to HD mpeg2 (higher bitrate than DVD). If you render with Vegas 4.0 you end with a 720x480 mpeg2 file with bitrate set for DVD.

If everything goes well, you will have a DVD with HD DVD video in it that can be played in any HD DVD player (or add-on) and any PC with the right DVD player software, but not a normal DVD. Also the footage you can put on the DVD will depend on the bitrate.

My guess is that in a few months there will be software using mpeg4 for rendering so we will be able to put more stuff on normal DVDs.

Hyrax

08-02-07, 12:03 PM

bato

08-02-07, 12:19 PM

I believe that there will always be a problem if one imports from the camcorder into an AVI file and then converts it into a MPEG.
A few years ago I captured from a DV camcorder to AVI file, and the AVI file was only a container that the video inside was still the same as the tape (not as the new common use as mpeg4 encoded video). Then some AVI editors were able to edit the AVI (cut parts) and be able to return the final AVI to the DV camcorder by firewire without any loss of video because they worked with the video as is.

I do hope MF6 can take the AVI or direct camcorder footage and output to HD DVD. It defaults to DVD 4.7GB project if no disc is on the burner, I select HD mpeg2 video, the software try to encode to DVD but I override that to HD DVD and it works, so I guess it should work with DV footage also.

texmex

08-02-07, 12:34 PM

Bato-
Yeah, this is off topic, but the concepts may apply to others.

I think the problem is that two compression methods are being used, which results in quality loss. As you suggest, going from a DV camcorder tape directly into MF6 should get around the problem. However, I believe that there will always be a problem if one imports from the camcorder into an AVI file and then converts it into a MPEG.
Actually, I don't think there are two compression methods in this case. The camera he listed is in fact digital. So the only compression is AVI to MPEG. I'm not sure why he's seeing such a visible loss - it would help to know the encoding parameters he's using in Vegas. If the footage is less than an hour he should be using ~8mbps CBR. Shouldn't be much loss there. If one felt that 8mbps wasn't enough, I imagine you could encode at SD resolution (720x480), but at a higher bitrate (say ~15mbps), then try importing into MF6 and authoring as HD-DVD. 720x480 is a valid HD-DVD resolution - it's just a question of if MF6 will accept it without re-encoding. I would definitely do the encoding in Vegas, b/c you have more control over the process. Just make sure that MF6 isn't re-encoding during the authoring stage.

gearo

08-03-07, 10:13 AM

Hi all,
I am EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED.!
I have purchased a hd e1 here in aus for the express purpose of creating 3x discs to play my home hd video content. (standard red laser dvd with hd content)
I use ulead movie factory to author the hd content (folders or iso) and nero 7 to burn.
All is fine and final discs play on windvd and show as hd video BUT....

My new Toshiba hd e1 continues to state "disc is not dvd format"
and will not play the disc.
I understand the us version hd a1 does all this fine.
I think the hd e1 does not like the file structure or the detail of a simply hd pal video content .
I am desparetely looking for assistance if anyone can help.
ps.
It is not related to media type, dvd writer type, firmwares etc etc as I've used several different pcs, firmwares, disc types, formats (roms +. - etc)

Thanks so much in advance

bato

08-03-07, 11:00 AM

I think the hd e1 does not like the file structure or the detail of a simply hd pal video content .
I didn't know there is hd pal video.

What resolution are you using?
What MF version are you using?
Your video is in HD mpeg2?
Is MF reencoding your video?
What settings you put on MF (1920x1080, 1440x1080...)?
Try using ImgBurn to burn your ISO file.

Rob100

08-03-07, 12:07 PM

As bato has said none of the HD DVD players support HD @ 25fps (aka PAL).

gearo

08-03-07, 04:40 PM

bato

08-03-07, 07:11 PM

Hi,
Resolution is 1080i.1920
video is 1080i. (edited in premiere pro 2 and exported mpeg2)
I set the MF settings to automatically use the same as the movie file in it's project. (I've checked it does this and even tried other manual settings without change)
MF is version 6 plus and set not to reencode compatable files (it also does this)
I will try image burn app now and get back to you.
Thanks for your time and thoughts.
I don't know what to tell you. I just hope your E1 is not limited this way. The only thing I can ask is the exported mpeg2 from premiere pro 2 still 1920x1080i ?

I use MF6, source material is 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 mpeg2, export to ISO and burn with ImgBurn, play great on my A2.

Sorry I can't help you more.

gearo

08-03-07, 11:00 PM

I don't know what to tell you. I just hope your E1 is not limited this way. The only thing I can ask is the exported mpeg2 from premiere pro 2 still 1920x1080i ?

I use MF6, source material is 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 mpeg2, export to ISO and burn with ImgBurn, play great on my A2.

Sorry I can't help you more.

Thanks for your help anyway..
I think it's a problem with the HD E1 AND A REAL PROBLEM THAT TOSHIBA NEEDS TO ADDRESS.
I reckon I could sell a hundred just here in Australia.
I will keep trying and thank again.

bourke

08-04-07, 08:51 AM

It is not related to media type, dvd writer type, firmwares etc etc as I've used several different pcs, firmwares, disc types, formats (roms +. - etc)

I notice you have not mentioned book-type there... I assume that on the +R discs you are setting the book type to +R?

It is important that you do not leave it set as 'DVD-ROM' or they wont work in the Toshibas.

By default most modern DVD burners set +R (& +R dual layer) discs to book type 'DVD-ROM', e.g. the Pioneer models are permanently set to this and you need to flash your drive to allow it to be changed.

Most importantly - after making sure your burner can set the book type to +R then often you also need to force your burning programs to set book type to +R as well. E.g. in ImgBurn this is an option under Tools->Drive->Change Book Type...

gearo

08-04-07, 09:16 AM

bato

08-04-07, 10:35 AM

Thanks.
This Is Good Information On Top Of The Best News This Year....

Hd E1's Do Not Play Pal Sourced Hd Files On 3x Dvd !!
But They Do Play Ntsc.
Why Anyone That Purchases A European Hd Player Would Use Ntsc Is Anyones Guess More Alone The Question Of Why Our Mating Pal Format Is Not Supported Is Even More Perplexing !!!
Come On Toshiba !!
But Thanks To All Once Again.
I don't know about PAL - NTSC, so if you record on PAL but select in MF to use NTSC, does MF reencode the video in any way? the time it takes is longer? the end size is bigger? If there is no big difference I think that's the way you need to work, or start with NTSC if possible.

All I have read about HD DVDs from other countries I haven't seen any mention on PAL or NTSC, so I guessed that for HD DVD they use the same fps all over the world. People importing foreign HD DVDs and play on USA they only say it plays great, not a single mention that the HD DVD is PAL and it doesn't work on the A2.

Rob100

08-04-07, 03:26 PM

Thanks.
Hd E1's Do Not Play Pal Sourced Hd Files On 3x Dvd !!
But They Do Play Ntsc.
Why Anyone That Purchases A European Hd Player Would Use Ntsc Is Anyones Guess More Alone The Question Of Why Our Mating Pal Format Is Not Supported Is Even More Perplexing !!!
Come On Toshiba !!
But Thanks To All Once Again.

PAL/NTSC is a SD term, nothing to do with HD. HD should be referred to as 720p50, 1080i60 etc.

AFAIK HD DVD @ 25fps (50Hz) has not yet been ratified by the DVD Forum, hence why Toshiba don't support it. You cannot buy a commercial HD DVD which is at 25fps.

Hyrax

08-04-07, 11:12 PM

Thanks.
This Is Good Information On Top Of The Best News This Year....
Hd E1's Do Not Play Pal Sourced Hd Files On 3x Dvd !!
But They Do Play Ntsc.
Why Anyone That Purchases A European Hd Player Would Use Ntsc Is Anyones Guess More Alone The Question Of Why Our Mating Pal Format Is Not Supported Is Even More Perplexing !!!
Come On Toshiba !!
.

It is Not a NTSC vs PAL issue. The fault is the authoring software, not the player - MF6 never should have allowed you to select PAL when writing a HD DVD. There is no such thing as a PAL HD DVD disk, just as there is no such a thing as a NTSC HD DVD disk.

This is a great feature of the player! It means that you can buy HD DVDs from the US, Germany, France, or Japan and it will play on your E1. This may be important to you because some movies that will never appear on HD DVD in your country may well do so in another. So thank Toshiba, and enjoy it.

gearo

08-05-07, 03:40 AM

MF does ask for either.
So how do you explain that the imported NTSC hd files work fine and the HD PAL files cause the error?
I think the error relates to the dvd 3X that needs to see PAL or NTSC.
I've had to convert PAL files to NTSC and obviously they do not look near as good quality as original source material from my PAL camcorder

gearo

08-05-07, 03:45 AM

When I import a NTSC file into MF , everything works fine.. it asks to adjust import to project settings etc.
If I import the PAL file into MF and set MF to NTSC it takes much additional time and obviously encoding the 25fps to 24.9xx.
The quality this way is more jumpy vs using procoder master settings/ double variable bit rates etc.
When I then import the procoders encoded NTSC from original source PAL all works the best but is far from what you should see with HD all the way thru without these unnecessary encodes.
Thanks.
ideas other than the world complain to Toshiba appreciated.

Chefkoch81

08-05-07, 01:27 PM

AFAIK HD DVD @ 25fps (50Hz) has not yet been ratified by the DVD Forum, hence why Toshiba don't support it. You cannot buy a commercial HD DVD which is at 25fps.

Hi!

I'm not so sure about that. Because Sonic Scenarist does support HD with 25fps/50Hz. And Scenarist is normally very serious about specs.

The Toshiba website says, that a firmware update is coming for this. They keep saying this year. We´ll see if they can make it in time.

From toshiba Website:
HD DVD discs containing high definition content at a field rate of 50Hz or a frame rate of 25Hz cannot be played on HD-E1 without a firmware update. Firmware update is expected in the future. Should you have any questions about the frame rate of your disc, please contact the disc vendor.

50Hz HD-DVD support will come. Because european HDTV over Satellite is 50Hz, European Porn industry is 50Hz, HDV in Europe is 50Hz.

If this update for the HD-E1 is not out till end of the year I´m on BluRay for my HDV recordings

Hyrax

08-05-07, 05:52 PM

...If I import the PAL file into MF and set MF to NTSC it takes much additional time and obviously encoding the 25fps to 24.9xx. The quality this way is more jumpy vs using procoder master settings/ double variable bit rates etc.
ideas other than the world complain to Toshiba appreciated.
What happens if you run HDPatch to set just the first header? You may be able to fool MF6 and the E1.

gearo

08-05-07, 07:42 PM

Hi Hyrax,
This sounds like it's on the right track if I've any chance at all.
As I mentioned, I know very little regards authoring details and file structure on the final disk.
Could you explain in more detail how to do what you suggest.
Thanks.

Hyrax

08-06-07, 12:23 AM

Gearo-

First, read the first post in this thread (it does a good job of telling you what to do) and download HDPatch from the link.
Next run HDPatch and open your file with it.
Set the Framerate of the first header only to be 29.97 and save the file.
Open the resulting file with MF6 and create the HD DVD directories and files as though for a NTSC machine. Which is to say, do not create an ISO.

Burn the file to DVD and see if it plays.

Is that doesn't work (because the video looks bad, skips, freezes, whatever); run HDPatch again, but this time on the first EVO file in the HD DVD file and have it set the framerate to the orignal value. Burn and try again.

GL. There is little chance this will actually work, but you never know...

gearo

08-06-07, 07:32 AM

Hello and thanks Hyrax.
I have just done what you suggested.
I have run hd patch over the original PAL hd file.
The first header was set to the 29.97 ntsc format.
I opened up MF6, settings to NTSC (I'm guessing thats what you'd meant)
and created not only the hd dvd files but also an iso.
Burnt with nero and ...
GUESS WHAT...?
It worked !! (both the iso burn and the hd dvd file burn)
BUT.. the playback was jumpy BUT VERY VERY CLEAR on both..
FINALLY THE QUALITY THAT A HD MOVIE SHOULD BE !!!

I then followed with your 2nd suggestion and patched the first of the evo files and final results on disc were the same as the above...ie:played, jumpy but very clear.

You are obviously on the right track but I sense the jerky/jumpy playback relates to the 25fps/50hz stuff rather than what MF expects with the NTSC setting.
Tell me if I'm wrong but the Toshiba needs to be able to work with PAL HD files??
It only wants to work with what it sees as NTSC.

When the original PAL files are encoded back to NTSC with procoder, authored with MF AND burnt, the playback is much smoother but the quality is lost to a noticeable degree being a bit blurred in detail.

Another important point with your suggestion...
The MF6 project completes VERY QUICKLY to completion and I'm sure no other encoding is taking place with the input file that has the first header changed.
At first I didnt' get the option of setting the project the same as the imported HD file but later did.
I am confident MF didn't re encode the PAL files ! (well done)
I'm not sure how multiple HD PAL imported files would go after each one had the hd patch treatment. I will try this out later..
But for now, I am hopeful that this information will assist many people.
Unfortunately the final picture with this method IS JUMPY but at least with the high quality of clarity gives me something to look forward too !!!
Suggestions ??
and thanks again !

Tom Roper

08-06-07, 10:30 AM

gearo,
Please continue posting your progress here, very interesting.

Hyrax

08-06-07, 12:11 PM

Gearo-
I was afraid it might jump or skip. You've told the E1 that the files are in one frame rate whereas they are in another. I, unfortunately, have no suggestion other than playing with procoder (which I've never used) or some other prosumer program to transcode the file from PAL to NTSC. But that is not really much of an option because it could take hours to transcode. Before I bought a HD DVD player, I used to use Sony's Vegas to transcode HD material to SD and each hour of HD material took over 4 hours to transcode. The results were a very hight quality DVD, but the effort involved was substantial.

gearo

08-07-07, 06:44 AM

hi,
It will take time for me to find a good PAL to NTSC conversion.
I am presently looking at dvfilm atlantis as it looks like it has all the right stuff.
I am working thru problems with this however as it does not output mpegs.
Will keep in contact or please get back with suggestions of excellent conversion software that I may be able to try.
Thanks

zinja

08-08-07, 08:10 PM

Hi,
Although a long time member, most of my loitering has been at the Kenwood DVD 5900m list. That being said, I have also been lurking on this forum for some time. I have the Canon HV10 and received the free Pinnacle ver. 10.5 and then paid $49 more to activate the HD program. Only to find out that the dang thing was not supported by the Microsoft HD DVD add-on. So, off I went and got the Toshiba a20 from best buy. But, still no luck, apparently the first gen Toshiba played HD rendered by Pinnacle, but not the second gen.

Yesterday, I bought the Pinnalce 11 ultimate, downloaded the patch to ver 11.1 and at exactly midnight EDT I actually burnt 2 different HD video from the Canon onto DVD's at the HD resolution. Not only were the pictures very sharp (as compared to the same program on SD DVD) but the menus all worked, no stuttering, no out of sync, just perfect. I used cheap Compusa DVD-R blanks and burnt at highest rate allowed. I will be trying different media to see if there are any burps. It also rendered 18 minutes of HD in about 7 minutes (vs all night for ver 10.5). Somebody at Pinnacle must have slipped up and finally wrote some good software. I would have changed long ago, but I was used to the editing features and just too lazy to learn another program. I am running with an older Gateway, 3.2 GHZ INtel Pent D, three 500 GB sata drives and 1 gig of memory that came with this old warhorse about 4 years ago.

Joseph Clark

08-08-07, 10:37 PM

Welcome to the club. It's a bear learning new software, isn't it? I've always used Premiere for video editing and am used to its interface. Glad you've had some success with the HV10 footage.

smkstang1

08-09-07, 04:03 PM

Hi all,

I have been trying to learn this new adventure of authoring HD DVDs for a few days now... I usually try to research everything I possibly can before diving into a project or a new endeavor.

I have a MacBook Core Duo. I know it is possible for me to install Windows and use all the programs mentioned in the first post, but I just dont like working with windows anymore. I am not a Mac Fanboy that preaches that macs are better than windows pc in any aspect. I just like macs for what they are - simplicity...

So my approach to this is from a different angle. Authoring HD-DVDs through a Mac based software...

After much searching I have stumbled on a tutorial:

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/hd_dvds_on_sd_dvds_young.html

The tutorial details the steps needed to author HD-DVDs in DVD Studio 4 (Final Cut Pro 2).

I am trying to start a dialog with some of the members that are trying this approach from a Mac perspective. I dont have the Final Cut 2, but believe that one of my buddies does and he will let me use it (will double check the availability of the software a bit later when I return from work).

My question is for the people that are familiar with the proper steps in the procedure, whether it be from a pc standpoint or from a mac, to comment if this is the software that will allow me to accomplish the following (tell me if the procedure / software in the above link will be able to do this):

Encode x264 HD streams to HD-DVD on DVD5 or DVD9
Encode other HD Material available on the internet free to download to proper HD-DVD on DVD5 or DVD9
Handle HD Mpegs in proper format keeping everything compliant in terms of picture quality
Cut HD Video source if it is too large to fit on 1 DVD5 or DVD9 into multiple compliant streams to accomplish the same, above tasks

Will this be enough for me from an all-in-one package to accomplish HD-DVD Authoring from different angles and different file types?

I really dont mind letting the Software re-encode everything into the proper format as long as I dont lose quality. What I mean is that I would rather give up time (through encode) rather than jump through 20 different programs to accomplish the same task (but save some time)...

I thank all of you for the input...

If my questions dont get answered, I hope that some can use the info in the above link to explore the possibility of doing the same thing that is discussed in this thread on a mac...

BTW, I dont want to get into the issue of Legality of my source material. I will be recording / authoring Legal, free source available on the internet at this point...

Best regards

Hyrax

08-09-07, 04:47 PM

I really don't mind letting the Software re-encode everything into the proper format as long as I don't lose quality. What I mean is that I would rather give up time (through encode) rather than jump through 20 different programs to accomplish the same task (but save some time)...

I hope you can get this working, and please report your success back to us. I plan on buying one of the new iMacs when they become available. Unlike yourself, I'll be bopping back into Windows frequently.

Many recordings do not have resolutions that exactly fit the expected HD DVD resolution, and will cause you problems. I don't know if that is because of we've got meager authoring software on PCs or because of the HD DVD players will not accept them. These files will either need to be recoded or a program like HDPatch needs to be run to fool the authoring software. From all of my experiences you will lose quality if you need to recode.

As far as I know, no one has been able to create anything except MPEG based HD DVDs with the PC software. It would be fascinating if a Mac could create .h264 disks that play in a HD DVD player.

smkstang1

08-09-07, 05:30 PM

I hope you can get this working, and please report your success back to us. I plan on buying one of the new iMacs when they become available. Unlike yourself, I'll be bopping back into Windows frequently.

Many recordings do not have resolutions that exactly fit the expected HD DVD resolution, and will cause you problems. I don't know if that is because of we've got meager authoring software on PCs or because of the HD DVD players will not accept them. These files will either need to be recoded or a program like HDPatch needs to be run to fool the authoring software. From all of my experiences you will lose quality if you need to recode.

As far as I know, no one has been able to create anything except MPEG based HD DVDs with the PC software. It would be fascinating if a Mac could create .h264 disks that play in a HD DVD player.

Thanks for the reply. Before I actually dive head-first into this project, i want to be sure I can get HD-DVDs working through Mpeg Encode first... I will probably want to do that first... Once I get a successful burn, I may take it a step further and try other Codecs...

However, I may need to get educated on native HD-DVD Toshiba player codecs in order to know if it is at all possible...

So, If you or anyone can comment if I can get the basics down through this program, I may give it a legitimate shot...

Lets say I take a footage like that 'Elephant Anime', would I be able to author the DVD5 using this program?

Thoughts?

smkstang1

08-09-07, 05:36 PM

The reason I want to use the 'Elephant Anime' is because it is of high quality and of a small size... about 1gig Thus it wont take long to work with this file.

BTW here is the link to it http://orange.blender.org/download

Tom Roper

08-09-07, 09:05 PM

In MF6+ I stumbled onto a workaround that eliminates the need for using other programs like Videoredo, Womble etc. to convert ts to ps.

Included in the MF6+ suite is a utility for authoring Blu-ray BDAV files. The program is called Ulead BD DiscRecorder 2.7.

1.) Start BD DiscRecorder 2.7. Open the ts file. A window pops up, "File cannot be edited. Do you want to perform pre-process to make it editable?" Choose "Yes."

2.) BD DiscRecorder 2.7 converts the ts file to ps stream without rendering it, and saves it to a folder.

3.) Now close BD DiscRecorder 2.7 and open the newly saved file with MF6+.

With Ulead MF6+, you can potentially do the whole workflow now, capture, edit, burn to HD DVD without any other software, if you so desire.

I confirmed that BD DiscRecorder "pre-process" maintains the AC3 5.1 audio. Its fast and flawless.

Just a FYI.

Joseph Clark

08-09-07, 10:45 PM

nightfly13

08-10-07, 02:05 AM

Hi guys I'm another newb to this thread and also a Mac user. Maybe there should be a dedicated mac thread? Frankly I caught myself smirking that this is 'The official AVS Guide to (PC only) HD DVD authoring'. But yes we're the minority so maybe we should start our own?

I don't just start one myself in case you other Mac users feel there's enough common data to stay in this one and/or a Mac users thread already exists.

Thoughts?

BioSehnsucht

08-10-07, 02:58 AM

Doesn't that mac movie software it comes with have built in HD-DVD authoring ? I just don't know how you'd go about burning it to DVD5/9...

nightfly13

08-10-07, 03:30 AM

I'm almost certain that iDVD (even the new '08 one) doesn't support HD-DVD authoring. DVD Studio Pro does, as it should considering it's a pro app.

WiFi-Spy

08-10-07, 07:06 AM

WiFi-Spy

08-10-07, 07:08 AM

smkstang1

08-10-07, 08:23 AM

FYI you can buy a real HD DVD of Elephants Dream.

I know that... :) I just want to use it as a test footage, because of the quality and size of the file...

Does not look like I may get my hands on the Final Cut Pro. Will give it one more try tonight and then I may cave and install windows...

Glad to hear there are more Mac users... Anyone have had success yet on the mac side?

Best regards,

Hyrax

08-10-07, 11:01 AM

Personally, I'd like to keep the Mac discussion here. Otherwise stuff will get scattered within two threads, and the Mac thread may not be sticky.

Joseph Clark

08-10-07, 11:27 AM

Maybe this has been covered before, but has anyone done this on a new Intel Mac with Windows?

ludeboy12

08-10-07, 11:44 AM

An Intel Mac with windows should be no different than any other pc running windows. The guide should work fine.

Joseph Clark

08-10-07, 11:53 AM

I thought as much. Is anyone doing it yet? It seems a pretty inexpensive way for Mac users to get into burning their own HD DVD's, too, especially with Tom's workflow (doing everything from within MF6+).

dargo

08-12-07, 01:49 PM

Maybe this has been covered before, but has anyone done this on a new Intel Mac with Windows?

yep I've done it works like a charm

Joseph Clark

08-12-07, 02:33 PM

yep I've done it works like a charm
Thanks for the confirmation. :)

webbsy

08-13-07, 08:21 AM

hello im getting a canon hv20 and have just got the hd-xe1 in aus and i use to have the hd-a1 and my red laser dvds have worked in the past but when i convert some test footage from the hv20 and play it back it stutters so my question is, is anyone having a simmilar problem or is there a better way to convert the footage from the hv20?

cheers

Tom Roper

08-13-07, 09:35 AM

Hyrax

08-13-07, 11:59 AM

I wonder if this stuttering is the 'book type' issue. Wasn't it found to be the cause of problems on some of the 2nd Gen players?

Brajesh

08-13-07, 12:22 PM

In my case, it definitely was. Once I changed to 'physical disc type' in Nero, the stuttering went away on my A2. Stuttering was never an issue on my XA1.

Hyrax

08-13-07, 04:37 PM

I'm having a horrible time trying to go from my own EVO files back to the original MPG or .TS files. My bright idea was to free up Hard Drive space after creating the HD DVD files. However, I'm thinking of that was a mistake for the long term and I might want the original files someday.

So... I run the files through EVODemux and get the two streams. But I cannot find any program that will take those two streams and create the .TS file. Then I try TSRemux and it just crashes with a 'Not enough resources' message. Curiously it sometimes works if I first run the file through EVODemux and create the elemental streams.

I've tried dozens of other programs, and one and all either crash, or have some other problem with the file. The most common problem is that they cannot deal with a 720p source with a 59.94 frame rate.

Kind people in this thread have tried to help me, but I'm still where I started. Does anyone else do this? What tools are you using? Does Ulead VideoStudio 10 Plus allow you to combine a video and audio stream? If they do, perhaps they create a MPG scratch file somewhere that I could use?

TIA,
Tim
Edit: Well, I got TSRemux to work reliably. There is an option called 'Use Async I/O'. At least on my machine, if it is checked, it makes TSRemux unstable.

webbsy

08-13-07, 09:43 PM

In my case, it definitely was. Once I changed to 'physical disc type' in Nero, the stuttering went away on my A2. Stuttering was never an issue on my XA1.

how do u change the physical disc type?

cheers

also all the movies i made before work but i am using a diff version of nero and a diff burner so i wonder if thats the case?

Hyrax

08-13-07, 11:40 PM

mike171979

08-13-07, 11:55 PM

ludeboy12

08-14-07, 12:31 AM

Well if your source is 1080p and and you encode to avc, vc1 or even mpeg2 you should be able to see a marked improvement in detail. Of course the movie might have to be stretched over 2 DVDs but for some its worth it.

Hyrax

08-14-07, 12:42 AM

Which is.....Why why why?
Maybe a small difference if you clean up some artifacts or something, but not NOTICEABLE.

You missed the point - by a lot more than a mile. We're burning true HD DVDs; these are not standard def DVDs that we want to upconvert. For example, I record an episode of House, Lost, Heroes, or Jay Leno in HD on my PC. I could watch it on my PC in HD the next day ... or I can burn it to a RW disk, put it in my HD DVD player, and watch it on my 100" screen in my TV room.

The only problem with what we're doing is that we can only fit a small amount of HDTV on a single layer disk. But single layer disks are so cheap that it isn't a big deal. In fact double layer disks are so cheap that it may make more sense to use them than actual HD DVD media.

Joseph Clark

08-14-07, 12:48 AM

I've been reading this thread.

In fact I've read several pages, several.

But I can't find the answer to my question.

Which is.....Why why why?

What is the point?

I mean if the source material is 480i DVD, and you use your HD-DVD player to upconvert to 1080i, then why bother with any of this?

Is there any difference in the video quality letting your HD DVD player upscale a regular DVD to 1080i, and/or taking the DVD and putting it in your computer, then upconvert it to 1080i, then burn it as HD DVD format on a Blank DVD, then pop it in your HD DVD player.

I don't see how there can be any NOTICEABLE difference.

Maybe a small difference if you clean up some artifacts or something, but not NOTICEABLE.

You've completely missed the point. This is not about taking 480i and creating HD DVD's from it. That *would* be pointless. This is about taking HD source material of different resolutions (1920x1080, 1440x1080, 1280x1080, 1280x720) and burning HD DVD's of that.

Read the first part of the original post. The purpose of the thread is spelled out pretty clearly.

Edit: You beat me to it, Hyrax.

mike171979

08-14-07, 02:02 AM

hmm, ok, I see, I gotcha, I feel ya.

Not a bad idea at all.

After rereading what I read, I did read about people basically converting dvds to HD DVDs, but that is definitely the minority now that I read a bit more.

webbsy

08-14-07, 04:48 AM

so does anyone know how to change the bokktype setting in nero to take out the jittering?

Hyrax

08-14-07, 09:49 AM

so does anyone know how to change the bokktype setting in nero to take out the jittering?
It's mentioned several times above that Nero->Recorder->Choose Recorder will let you set it. But my version of Nero (6.6) doesn't allow me to do so (I suspect my burner doesn't let me change it). Search google for 'Bit setting' and you'll find other ways.
Nero has a 'tool' directory. In it there is a program called something like CD-DVD Speed. It has a menu item called BitSetting. This will allow you to set the book type for +R media, if your DVD writer supports bit setting. Mine does not, so the options are greyed out. Make sure you have +R media in the drive whenever you wish to set the bit.

bato

08-14-07, 10:15 AM

Is there any difference in the video quality letting your HD DVD player upscale a regular DVD to 1080i, and/or taking the DVD and putting it in your computer, then upconvert it to 1080i, then burn it as HD DVD format on a Blank DVD, then pop it in your HD DVD player.

I don't see how there can be any NOTICEABLE difference.
Others responded that we use HD material to create HD DVD on standard DVD media, but I needed to point that if you re encode standard definition video to high definition the difference will be very noticeable, it will be awful.

In the HD DVD will only take the SD material and upscale with hardware to HD resolution, converting on a PC will take too much time and changing the resolution from 720x480 to 1920x1080 will make it look bad because you will need the same bitrate to make it fit on a blank DL media.

So in short, don't re encode SD video and try to make it HD, start with HD material. Use the player to upscale your SD video.

Don Borvio

08-14-07, 12:29 PM

I don't know if this has been discussed because googling hasn't helped me. I can't get a 4.4GB 720p x264 .avi to be recognized in Ulead MF6+. I tried the HDpatch, but that's only for MPEG2 streams it seems. What process can I take to get this to recognize and burn to DVD in HD DVD format?

If this has been discussed or answered, please point me to the thread/post. Thank you.

Brajesh

08-14-07, 01:45 PM

x264 is not supported by MF6+ as far as I know, only MPEG2. You can however author an AVCHD w/your x264 clip on a DVD-R for playback on the PS3. See this thread at doom9. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447)

Don Borvio

08-14-07, 02:31 PM

Thanks for your reply, Brajesh. I was just reading the forums over there (doom9) and I'm trying to take in all the info, but still don't know a solution to my problem. I'm trying to find the best or easiest way to get this .avi to a 3x DVD. Is there a good tool for this? Will I have to convert/transcode to some other format to get this to work? I've been trying to find a guide, but nothing that doesn't involve many pieces of software, some that cost a lot of money as they are for professional authoring.

Edit again: more I look at this, all I need is something to get H.264 converted to MPEG2 (or something that a program like DF6+ can work with) and go to burn it in Nero. I'll keep looking.

FreeBaGeL

08-14-07, 09:24 PM

BioSehnsucht

08-14-07, 10:21 PM

Don Borvio

08-14-07, 11:49 PM

we're all dying for something consumer/prosumer or even hacked together and usable that would allow us to make h264 and/or VC-1 HD-DVDs of our own on DVD5/9, cause it'd make a huge difference in what you can fit and at what quality. :(

I think I've seen (which great effort and learning curve), the people at doom9 do it with Scenarist. I'd guess most are either super series about mastering pro-quality discs or are pirating that software (it's $5000 minimum per license). I don't really want to do that. :) $5000 can buy you a lot of HD movies and and that Denon BR player and a XA2.

I just realized this avi I have is in Spanish as well, so it's worthless to me. Oh well, maybe when ConvertXtoDVD 3.0 comes out I can do mp4/H.264/VC-1 to 3x DVD.

BTW, the newest version of Nero (Vision) has AVCHD support, so you could do it that way instead of what Brajesh linked to...but it can't be long before a simple tool for making these discs comes along.

Tom Roper

08-15-07, 12:42 AM

There are currently no tools available to mux such streams for HD-DVD playback, even if they were encoded with the correct settings.

Which kind of surprises me. you'd think with all the work people at doom9 etc have done to dump streams from HD-DVD, someone would by now make a braindead simple content mode muxer that doesn't support menus or anything and just muxes an a/v pair into the right format..

we're all dying for something consumer/prosumer or even hacked together and usable that would allow us to make h264 and/or VC-1 HD-DVDs of our own on DVD5/9, cause it'd make a huge difference in what you can fit and at what quality. :(

If you use EVOdemux to split the file into mpv and mpa elementary streams, any mpeg editor (like Womble) can mux them back together into a TS or PS file. Once you've got that, you author it back to EVO with Ulead MF6+ or the others.

It's not a hard workflow, I just did this for proof of concept.

Edit: I misunderstood you if your only intent is to get the project into AVC or VC-1.

BioSehnsucht

08-15-07, 05:59 AM

Oh I meant, that with all the work to demux done, that nobody as a byproduct made a standalone muxer. I.e., to take VC-1 or h264 that we have encoded ourselves (from HD cam or broadcast or whatever) and to then mux it into EVO for HD DVD.

Or can MF6 really handle remuxing a VC-1 / h.264 mpeg stream into EVO? Cause, that would be awesome. Then the only *hard* part would be encoding said sources into said streams with HD DVD compliant settings, and then muxing that into the mpeg stream. So simple! :D

sixone

08-15-07, 08:26 AM

I've captured some HD shows off of network TV and have successfully authored an HD DVD using the guide in the first post. However, when trying to author some of my captures, for some reason when I get to the following step, it forces me to "convert title" even though I've followed the same steps. Any ideas?

Thanks,
61

j. Click the “Burn” icon in the lower right. If things have gone well, you should see “Total progress: Prepare output content…” and “Detailed progress: Video/Audio multiplexing…” appear with blue progress bars almost immediately. If you see the message “Convert title…” you are in for a long wait and your video may not be compatible. Time to check the settings. and refer to Frequently asked questions bwlow.

texmex

08-15-07, 10:07 AM

Oh I meant, that with all the work to demux done, that nobody as a byproduct made a standalone muxer. I.e., to take VC-1 or h264 that we have encoded ourselves (from HD cam or broadcast or whatever) and to then mux it into EVO for HD DVD.
I don't think the muxer is the hard part - that would be pretty easy to reverse engineer. Problem is, there are other "administrative" files required for both standard and advanced authoring, and without the $5K specs, it's hard to figure out what goes in those files. Someone with Scenarist and a lot of time could probably reverse engineer those files too, but if they already have Scenarist, why bother!

mtallent

08-16-07, 10:54 AM

[QUOTE=sixone]I've captured some HD shows off of network TV and have successfully authored an HD DVD using the guide in the first post. However, when trying to author some of my captures, for some reason when I get to the following step, it forces me to "convert title" even though I've followed the same steps. Any ideas?

Thanks,
61

Did you run HDPatch on the file to make sure it is compliant with MF? The vertical line rate must be 1080i and not 1088 and the bit rate must be 25000000 or less.

Mike T

sixone

08-16-07, 11:40 AM

I've captured some HD shows off of network TV and have successfully authored an HD DVD using the guide in the first post. However, when trying to author some of my captures, for some reason when I get to the following step, it forces me to "convert title" even though I've followed the same steps. Any ideas?

Thanks,
61

Did you run HDPatch on the file to make sure it is compliant with MF? The vertical line rate must be 1080i and not 1088 and the bit rate must be 25000000 or less.

Mike T

No I did not. I didn't think that I had to since I got everything from the same source (The Office NBC 1080i via FiOS). I didn't know about the bitrate, I'll see if I'm over the limit. Also, I'll run HDPatch and see if it helps.

Thanks for the response.
61

sixone

08-17-07, 07:21 AM

OK, I verified that I wasn't over the bitrate and that it's 1920x1080i. Anything else I can try?

bato

08-17-07, 10:26 AM

OK, I verified that I wasn't over the bitrate and that it's 1920x1080i. Anything else I can try?
Are you using MF6?
Are you using mpeg2 as input?
The time to open the file is the same?*
Sometimes it ask me if I want to change the project properties to match the video file, sometimes it doesn't, so check that your project properties and your file match, maybe your project is 1920x1080 and your file is 1440x1080 or the other way. Make sure you select HD DVD project, once forgot about it and started building a normal DVD :confused:

*sometimes MF6 doesn't like the mpeg2 that you select (at least in my case) and take a loooong time to open it, most of the time I get around it just using other app to mux the file again, sometimes even without a demux just saving again in mpg.

vanejorg

08-17-07, 02:03 PM

bato

08-17-07, 02:14 PM

texmex

08-17-07, 02:39 PM

@vanejorg, Videoredo only work with mpeg2 files, that can be .ts, .mpg, .vob. I guess your files are VC-1 and not mpeg2, you need to encode the files to mpeg2, but I don't know what you can use for this.
Looks like the files are definitely VC-1 (indicated in file name). There is no workflow for authoring VC-1 HD-DVD's at the moment. Technically, you could transcode to mpeg2, but you would likely lose quality and double the file size (approx.). No good options at the moment for what you're trying to do.

bato

08-17-07, 02:59 PM

Looks like the files are definitely VC-1 (indicated in file name). There is no workflow for authoring VC-1 HD-DVD's at the moment. Technically, you could transcode to mpeg2, but you would likely lose quality and double the file size (approx.). No good options at the moment for what you're trying to do.
The only software I read that can handle other HD DVD codec is Scenarist.

texmex

08-17-07, 03:19 PM

The only software I read that can handle other HD DVD codec is Scenarist.
I believe you are correct. My statment above should have read:
"There is no consumer level workflow for authoring VC-1 HD-DVD's at the moment"

vanejorg

08-17-07, 09:06 PM

I might be able to get my hands on Sonic Scenarist 4.0. How do you use this software to get the VC-1 .ts file to mpeg2 format so that one can put this HD DVD file on a regular or dual layer DVD?

bobkart

08-17-07, 11:51 PM

Apophis906

08-18-07, 12:34 AM

I might be able to get my hands on Sonic Scenarist 4.0. How do you use this software to get the VC-1 .ts file to mpeg2 format so that one can put this HD DVD file on a regular or dual layer DVD?
Scenarist is an authoring program, no encoder in that part of the workgroup. Your easiest way would be to frame serve the .ts file. Then you could encode an mpeg out from that. Start here for some ideas on how to do it. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=126676

Hyrax

08-18-07, 05:46 PM

I'm guessing some of you are getting your HD material from one of those USB HDTV tuners. I'm considering doing that myself and am wondering which of the many such devices any of you have had success with, i.e. you could save programs from the USB tuner to hard drive and then author them to DVD as described in this thread?

Thanks for your help.
Bob -
I just started using a HDHomeRun (from SiliconDust). It is pretty cool. You can record either OTA or QAM sources, and it attached to your PC via a network. That means anyone on your network can record a show. It includes two tuners and you can mix OTA and QAM sources, if you wish. There is a thread in the HDTV Recorders section.

I also have a DiVCo Fusion5. I like it and have had no trouble with it, but it is a PCI card. It and the HDHR work together, so that means I can record 3 shows at once.

Now I just need to figure out where to store all that stuff...

bobkart

08-18-07, 07:16 PM

Thanks for the reply Hyrax.

Have you burned to DVD (as described in this thread) any of the HD material you've recorded from the HDHomeRun? What kind of files do you get from the HDHomeRun? MPEG Transport Stream perhaps? Just trying to connect the dots from HD content on my cable to HD on DVDs playable on my HD DVD Player.

(Checking the thread in the HDTV Recorders section . . . )

Hyrax

08-18-07, 07:25 PM

zapper

08-18-07, 07:37 PM

Sorry if this has been already posted but can we use Ulead MF6 ? instead of MF5?

Thank's

bobkart

08-18-07, 07:43 PM

Bob-
Correct, OTA recordings and QAM are both delivered as MPEG2 transport streams. I don't know of any changes in this. Basically, I believe clear QAM stuff is just re-sent OTA stuff. Since all OTA broadcasts are MPEG2, cable companies would have to transcode the broadcasts if they wanted to use a better codec. I'm not sure this can be done in real time.
Okay, just making sure before I plunk down ~$200 only to find out it won't work.

So you HAVE authored HD material recorded from HDHomeRun to DVD as described in this thread?

BLS

08-19-07, 12:24 AM

What a fool!

Me that is. I went through all the steps necessary to do this and after burning a few discs realized that this doesn't work for BD. I have a Panasonic Blue Ray Disc player. I was thinking of it as a high definition video player and not just a BD player. DA...m!

Oh well, I learned a little bit and I'm ready for when I buy a combo drive for the PC or combo player.

Thank you to those who contributed to this.

Eugene157

08-19-07, 01:56 PM

I there a free program like videolan that will play red laser HD-DVDs on my desk top ?
Or low cost?
Gene

Eugene157

08-19-07, 03:24 PM

BLS, as you know HD-DVD players sell for $250 on this forum.
Gene

BLS

08-19-07, 06:24 PM

Hyrax

08-19-07, 07:40 PM

Actually, no I haven't been reading very much on the forum the last couple of months and I haven't looked here at players.

What kind of quality can you get from a $250.00 player? (I think I actually heard the can of worms open...)
Very, very good. You can get an A20 for that much and it is well thought of.

Cannot you use MF6 to author BD disks?

Hyrax

08-19-07, 07:41 PM

Okay, just making sure before I plunk down ~$200 only to find out it won't work.

So you HAVE authored HD material recorded from HDHomeRun to DVD as described in this thread?
Yes. Works like a charm.

BLS

08-19-07, 10:46 PM

I downloaded the trial version of MF6 and followed the threads instructions, but they were for HD DVD. They didn't work in my Panasonic BD. They did work in my computer, retaining all the high def video bit rate and Dolby 5.1 glory. So that gave me hope for when I do get an HD DVD player.

Hyrax, are you saying this can be done for Blu-Ray?

ludeboy12

08-19-07, 10:56 PM

Are you saying this can be done for Blu-Ray?

Why would he be saying this works for Blu-Ray......this is an HD DVD authoring thread.

BLS

08-19-07, 11:39 PM

In post #1973 Hyrax asked,

"Cannot you use MF6 to author BD disks?"

I did some reading and MF6 can author BD.

For anyone sensitive about a mention of BD in an HD DVD thread, I'll ignore any future questions/remarks, but I won't tell them to go to another thread, it was just one question out of 1,973 posts.

FreeBaGeL

08-20-07, 01:57 AM

Are you saying this can be done for Blu-Ray?

Hyrax asked if it could be done for BD and then Hyrax (same guy) answered someone else's post about something else saying "yes, it worked like a charm."

I think you misread, no one said "yes, it worked like a charm" in regards to doing it for Blu-ray. That was in fact the same guy who asked the question, answering a separate question about something else.

I have no idea if it works for BD or not (though I would doubt it), but just trying to clear that up for ya.

sixone

08-20-07, 09:24 AM

Are you using MF6?
Are you using mpeg2 as input?
The time to open the file is the same?*
Sometimes it ask me if I want to change the project properties to match the video file, sometimes it doesn't, so check that your project properties and your file match, maybe your project is 1920x1080 and your file is 1440x1080 or the other way. Make sure you select HD DVD project, once forgot about it and started building a normal DVD :confused:

*sometimes MF6 doesn't like the mpeg2 that you select (at least in my case) and take a loooong time to open it, most of the time I get around it just using other app to mux the file again, sometimes even without a demux just saving again in mpg.

Thanks for the response. I'm using MF5. I've verified all of the above settings. It takes the same amount of time to open. I basically have the entire season of the office saved using the same process. However, some of the episodes force me to "convert title". I'll try muxing again today.

Eugene157

08-20-07, 10:16 AM

Still wondering if there is a way to play red laser HD-DVDs on the computer?
Gene

ludeboy12

08-20-07, 10:40 AM

Still wondering if there is a way to play red laser HD-DVDs on the computer?
Gene

PowerDVD 7.2 plays red laser HD DVDs just fine here.

habscolts

08-21-07, 12:20 AM

BuGsArEtAsTy

08-21-07, 10:43 AM

I tried searching this long thread but...

Does someone have a Mac-friendly HD DVD image (for DVD-5 or DVD-9) here? I want to burn it just for fun (with either Toast or Disk Utility).

bato

08-21-07, 11:03 AM

How many minutes of HD content can you fit on a DVD-R burned as an HD DVD? I calculated the a 15mbps stream would be able to have 41.7 minutes of content on a single layer disc. Is this about what people are getting?
It all depends on the source, some get 24mbps streams others as low as 12mbps. Most get to put a single episode on a single layer disc (without commercials) and up to 90min movie on dual layer (sometimes super mpeg2 transcoder is used to make it fit).

Hyrax

08-21-07, 11:41 AM

I found something interesting last night - the headers in MPEG files lie.

A show I recorded said it was 38mpbs in its header. After I ran it through VideoReDo, VDR said the actual bitrate was 9.6mbps. Another show's header said it was 37mbps, but running it through VDR indicated an actual bitrate of 19mbps.

The higher bitrate show was a local stations HD live broadcast of a football game and was by far the best looking HD broadcast I've ever seen.

Actually, it is a good thing that the headers can lie, otherwise HDPatch would not work. But I found it strange that the TV stations lie about their bitrate.

WiFi-Spy

08-22-07, 06:16 AM

I tried searching this long thread but...

Does someone have a Mac-friendly HD DVD image (for DVD-5 or DVD-9) here? I want to burn it just for fun (with either Toast or Disk Utility).

I could whip one up for you in DVD SP4, *wonders what legal content to use*

vanejorg

08-27-07, 02:25 PM

I have videoredo v2.5.6.512 trial copy. I am trying to open up two very large .ts files to have them encoded to the mpeg2 program stream format(following instructions as per the copying hd dvd video to regular dvd's post). The size of the files are 4.3 GB and 3.17 GB and I have hit the "combine" button since they are two parts of the same video. When I try to open the above in videoredo I get the following message:
This transport stream does not contain an MPEG2 program. At this point it will not let me go any further. The original files have the following information:
File 1 ......HD-DVD.remux.1080P.VC-1.DD51.DualAudio.disk1.ts
File 2 ......HD-DVD.remux.1080P.VC-1.DD51.DualAudio.disk2.ts
I have verified that they are .ts files. I am using a Dell Dimension PC with an LG Dual layer dvd multi-recorder. Does something have to be done to these files before videoredo will accept them? Thank you.

The above was my previous post from approximately 10 days ago. Since then I have tried Sonic Scenarist 4.1. I did not get it to open the two files listed above either. Therefore, videredo won't do anything, evodemux won't do anything, and pretty much every other program listed way back at the beginning of this post to put HD DVD content on to DVD-9 discs will not do anything...at least not for me. I 'm just letting everybody know for their own information if they are trying to do the same thing I was trying to do...get the above two files combined and recorded as HD content on a DVD-9....Any further developments or other suggestions from members on how to get this job accomplished?
Meanwhile, I have read the posts on the different kinds of HD DVD players other members are using. I would like to add my two cents.
One of my close family members here in the States, who works at one of those big box electronic stores was able to get me the LG HD DVD/Blu ray combo(I believe it is officially called the LG Super Blu) for her incredible, employee discounted price of $599(didn't someone earlier in this post say that they paid $250 for a machine that plays HD DVD alone). Needless to say I jumped all over this. I have had it since the middle of July....and friends this is the absolute Jedi master of players at the moment and in my opinion for good. It plays any kind of disc with HD or blu ray content in breath taking 1080 HD.
Incredibly, it upconverts regular dvd's(that don't look as good on other machines...even those with component cable hook-up) and actually makes them look better. She brought over a disc that she had recorded using these very forums of HD content from a video camera. It plays them without any of the complaints the members have been expressing about stuttering or voice-sync issues.
Amazing machine!! All members who are thinking about buying a machine(although you will not be able to get the incredible price...unless you know someone similar), my recommendation would be to get this one. It will save you from upgrading again should blu ray eventually win the market over. Any type disc, any time!! Thank you.

wittangamo

08-29-07, 10:58 AM

bato

08-29-07, 11:20 AM

Look at the file titles. They are encoded with VC-1 compression. VideoReDo can only handle MPEG2.
He quoted an earlier post without the quote tags. The actual post started in second paragraph.

@vanejorg, I guess Scenarist can't open .ts files, maybe you need to demux the ts file to VC-1 and DD5.1. I'm only guessing, I don't have Scenarist, nor VC-1 files.

vanejorg

08-30-07, 11:54 AM

So is there anything on demuxing .ts files to VC-1 and DD5.1. Thank you.

Hyrax

08-30-07, 12:51 PM

Go to www.doom9.org and check out their forums. Be prepared to read a few thousand posts. Also be prepared to spend a lot of time (hundreds of hours) messing with those files.

As far as I know the only way you can get VC-1 compressed files is from ripping a HD DVD. Or from downloading files someone else ripped. That seems to me to be a bit far from the intent of this thread.

carefreepastor

08-30-07, 03:25 PM

paintit77

08-31-07, 12:19 AM

vanejorg

08-31-07, 09:44 PM

Hyrax: Thanks for telling me about doom. At a cost of $90 dollars plus tax, for 4 HD DVD discs, one should be able to make a back-up copy of each disc, don't you think. Discs can sometimes get scratched or damaged in machines.
This is the reason why I want to copy discs. I don't know about everybody elses motives, but mine are legit. Thank you.

BLS

09-01-07, 12:04 AM

Let's see what you think of my intent. There are certain High def movies and concerts I like to see and hear more than once. I can't fit all of them on my HD DVR so I would like to burn them to a disc retaining the 5.1 sound and high bitrate video.

I don't trust keeping them on a hard drive and that's not portable or convenient. This fits my need perfectly. Whether I store it on a DVR or disc, either way seems ok to me.

Tom Roper

09-01-07, 12:06 AM

Tom, do you burn from MovieFactory 6+? If so,are you able to set the disc type? And, again, if so, where do I find those options so that I can do the same. I do have Nero Ultra as well, so I can do the burn-with-book-type-settings with +R to which you alerted us earlier. I am just looking to simplify my work flow.

I actually do burn from MF6+, and I prefer it since it's simple and I already have the program opened. Sometimes I will use MF6+ to author HD DVD to an iso image file, and burn the image to disk also using MF6+, especially when I want to produce multiple copies. If I just want one HD DVD disk, it's faster to let MF6+ author and burn in one step.

I also use Nero Ultra, and it works fine. It may or may not be essential depending on whether you use it, or some other utility to set the booktype bit for your burner to DVD+R. That's the missing ingredient from MF6+.

zapper

09-01-07, 06:36 PM

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