Joe,
Thank you very much for the reply...at least now I know what is and is not possible.

Thanks
RayJr

Hi,

In the release notes for Ulead/Corel DVD Movie Factory 6 Plus Patch 2 is the following:

"An option for “Create HD DVD on DVD disc” (3XDVD) is added under the drop down list."

Does this mean that this SW is all I might need to get 20 minute HDV clips from my Canon HV-20 imported to the PC, edited and burned to 3x DVD to play in my Toshiba HD-A2?

Thanks,

--Mark--

Thanks for the heads up...I'll have to download the patch. Looks like MF6+ may be a perfect one-stop solution now for MPEG2 HD DVD. Hope the next version adds support for H.264, then we'd be in great shape.

When I try to download the patch I get a Page Not Found! message.

@MarkyM, this option is only to display the possible space on DL DVD. I normally select HD DVD 15GB, create a 8.5GB ISO or less and burn to DL DVD, so I don't think the patch add anything to the current functions. If your files are mpeg2 in your PC then you can create HD DVD on SL or DL DVD.

When I try to download the patch I get a Page Not Found! message.

@MarkyM, this option is only to display the possible space on DL DVD. I normally select HD DVD 15GB, create a 8.5GB ISO or less and burn to DL DVD, so I don't think the patch add anything to the current functions. If your files are mpeg2 in your PC then you can create HD DVD on SL or DL DVD.

Thanks bato,

Cool! Then I can try this using the trial version that doesn't have the patch applied yet.
--M--

Thanks bato,

Cool! Then I can try this using the trial version that doesn't have the patch applied yet.
--M--

I tried this with the trial version and it works!...BUT....

If I try to convert the audio to Dolby Digital, it will error with "Unspecific Error" and not burn the disc (or iso image).

Has anyone had any luck with DVDMF6+ burning with converted audio?

--M--

I tried this with the trial version and it works!...BUT....

If I try to convert the audio to Dolby Digital, it will error with "Unspecific Error" and not burn the disc (or iso image).

Has anyone had any luck with DVDMF6+ burning with converted audio?

--M--
Are you able to create an ISO file? if so you can burn the ISO file with ImgBurn.

Your video is mpeg2 right? and the audio is mpa or ac3? I haven't tested mpa only ac3 and there is no need to change the audio, it can be 2.0 or 5.1 no problem.

Are you able to create an ISO file? if so you can burn the ISO file with ImgBurn.

Your video is mpeg2 right? and the audio is mpa or ac3? I haven't tested mpa only ac3 and there is no need to change the audio, it can be 2.0 or 5.1 no problem.

Nope. Same error.

Yes, video is mpeg2.

Audio from my Canon HV-20 is .mpeg2 also and I want to convert it to ac3.

It appears to convert fine (it does this even before making the menu) but after that the error pops up.

--M--

@MarkyM, you may need to demux to audio/video, convert the audio with other tool to ac3 then remux it back, no other idea at this moment, sorry.

@MarkyM, you may need to demux to audio/video, convert the audio with other tool to ac3 then remux it back, no other idea at this moment, sorry.

Thanks bato,
Why does this all have to be so complicated?:confused:
--M--

Thanks bato,
Why does this all have to be so complicated?:confused:
--M--
That's because we are working with first generation HD DVD software, I hope this will change fast as more people jump in and better software is released.

Maybe a future patch will fix your problem.

I think I remember making a comment a long, long time ago about how this thread might soon be obsolete because the software had advanced to the point that it was unneeded. I really believed that would be the case, but it's been over a year now and only incremental improvements have been made. It's very sad that more progress hasn't been made.

Agreed. My H.264 caps are just sitting on my hard drives as there's no easy way to make HD DVDs, or even BDs, out of them. Dish/DirecTV's MPEG2 HD channels are switching over to H.264, so I'm trying to record what I can before they switch them all. Also, it seems to be taking long for true HD DVD-R/RW drives to be appearing, let alone being affordable. Not to sound impatient, but guess we need to be happy we can at least still author HD DVDs on DVDs w/MPEG2.

Agreed. My H.264 caps are just sitting on my hard drives as there's no easy way to make HD DVDs, or even BDs, out of them.
I have the HD-A2, so pretty much anything HD I burned to DVD had some issues.
You have to know when you're pushing the envelope with old technology - and that's exactly what we're doing here. Like others- I've come to accept it, and now my HD content sits on a hard drive waiting for burning hardware/software to catch up.
Tic...tock, tic...tock...

I have the HD-A2, so pretty much anything HD I burned to DVD had some issues.
You have to know when you're pushing the envelope with old technology - and that's exactly what we're doing here. Like others- I've come to accept it, and now my HD content sits on a hard drive waiting for burning hardware/software to catch up.
Tic...tock, tic...tock...

Thanks All,

I thought things were further along than they really are.

I will live for now with the mpeg2 audio.

After all, it is pretty cool that I can get HD burned to a regular DVD.

--Mark--

Does anyone know where I can find a HD version DVD ISO of Elephants Dream? I want to see how it looks like but I don't have the software needed right now.

Is there a "official" list of HD DVD readers that can/cannot read red laser HD DVD'S?

Regards.

Hi There, I buy a capture card name Intensity PRO, by blackmagic deisgn that allow me to capture High Definition content with HDMI cables or component.
(http://www.blackmagic-design.com )

I transfert some stuff, I edit it with Adobe Premiere Pro.

I would like to copy my project on DVD in High-Def format.
(Hd-DVD burner is not yet arrives)

So with Ulead MF, if I follow your guide, I'll achieve my goal.

But I would like to know what's the EVO files are ?
is it like VOB ? (you can rename VOB to MPG and it works)
so if I rename EVO in WMV, does it will work ?

I would like to maximise the capacity of a Dual Layer disc and VC-1 is better than mpeg. Does Ulead will use VC-1 codec ??

BTW, Thanks for you post, it's a good mine of information that will be helpful !

I think I remember making a comment a long, long time ago about how this thread might soon be obsolete because the software had advanced to the point that it was unneeded. I really believed that would be the case, but it's been over a year now and only incremental improvements have been made. It's very sad that more progress hasn't been made.

Joe,

I was thinking the same thing the other day.

HD camcorders have exploded in choices in the last year.

I hope this is the year we get some other choices that are easier, faster for putting HD on discs.

Once again, one of the best threads on AVS, you have started my friend;)

Actually, aarons started this whole thing with a post he made a long time ago. Alan Gouger asked if someone wanted to pull the information together and start a sticky thread. I haven't seen aaron around in a long time, but he's the one who deserves the credit for getting all this going.

The number of HD cams seems to grow every week. That might be the impetus that's needed to make the process of creating your own discs easier. I still look forward to the time when this sort of thread won't be necessary. It would make life a lot easier for everyone.

Joe, I have been using Pinnacle Ultimate 11.1 for the last month. ALthough I had almost given up on Pinnacle because of all the bugs the prior versions had, this one seems to be pretty stable and will capture, edit and burn HD to DVD disk in HD. I have the Canon HV10 and Toshiba A2. I have been able to use cheap DVD-R without any problems so far. I have not tried any dual layer DVDs. The HV10 is compact and takes great video. The one big problem I have with it is the ergodynamics. Try holding the camera for more than five minutes and my hand begins to shake which translates into a shakey picture. Neither the stabilzer or the pinnalce software is able to take out all the shakey-ness. The newer HV20 looks to be a bit more stable, going back to the traditional form factor (horizontal layout verse vertical). In summary, it looks like there are software options that will make this thread obsolete, unless you are a geek who likes to know how things work, wants to improve on whatever is out there ... Oh, isn't that why we belong to AVSFORUM. In other words, no matter what advances are made in software and technology we will always be lurking on these forums, trying to pick up tidbits from people like you who spend gobs of time figuring out how to do the impossible, so thanks for being here.

Mike Arias

Thanks, Mike. I've used Pinnacle a little, but the stability problems always drove me away. Good to hear it's better now.

Firstly, thanks for the hard work in this FAQ/thread.

I've not read all of it, but did try to do some searching to see if I could find some answers, to no avail.

I have some uncompressed PCM (.wav) audio files in both 16-bit and 24bit formats @ 48Khz. I'd like to author them to a red-layer HD DVD. I need them to stay uncompressed.

it appears that the authoring workflow thus far primarily revolves around taking an existing MPEG2 mux and re-formatting it to fit within the HD DVD parameter constraints and file structure.

I don't believe there are any options for using uncompressed PCM files within MPEG2 (although I could certainly be wrong), so it would seem that option won't work for me.

Any other thoughts as to how I might be be able to accomplish this?

Thanks.

you can do this with Apple's DVD studio Pro 4

Hmm, thanks. I'll probably need a Windows solution...

Appreciate the pointer.

Does HDA20 or HDXA20 HD DVD readers from Toshiba are able to read well hd-dvd's on dvd-r?
HDA1 does it well but only 1080i. I know that HDA2 have a lot of issues...
Thanks.

Does HDA20 or HDXA20 HD DVD readers from Toshiba are able to read well hd-dvd's on dvd-r?
HDA1 does it well but only 1080i. I know that HDA2 have a lot of issues...
Thanks.

I have an A2 and it doesn't have any issues at all...you just have to author and burn the content properly onto good media.

Chris

Does HDA20 or HDXA20 HD DVD readers from Toshiba are able to read well hd-dvd's on dvd-r?
HDA1 does it well but only 1080i. I know that HDA2 have a lot of issues...
Thanks.
I have HD A2 and no problems, burning on DVD+R DL with bitsetting DVD-ROM. I guess is more a burner/media issue. Some people have to use bitsetting DVD+R to make their players happy.

I think you can do this with Adobe Premiere PRo.
Just import the Video, and sync it with your audio track.

I think you can export it in mpg or vc-1 and use no compression for Audio.

If you use HD-DVD authoring software and you don't want to have the video compress again, I rename my files to EVO and it works....

I use Pinnacle to capture from my HV10 hi def camcorder, edit and than burn HD onto the DVD. It works, no loss in picture quality when viewed on my 65 inch mits hi-def 1080p tv. I use the cheapest DVD blanks I can find. Plays great on my Toshiba HD-A2.

I have a .TS file from Custom Intro that I like to burn and play on my XA2. What's the easiest way to do this?

I have an A2 and it doesn't have any issues at all...you just have to author and burn the content properly onto good media.
I have HD A2 and no problems, burning on DVD+R DL with bitsetting DVD-ROM. I guess is more a burner/media issue. Some people have to use bitsetting DVD+R to make their players happy.

Thanks! I'm really glad to read this. I will sell my HDA1 (1080i) for a 1080p like the A20.

I discovered yesterday that when I put one of the 3XDVD's into the same drive that I used to burn it, windows doesn't recognize it. If I try to open it in explorer, it gives me an error. I was planning to eventually pull the content back off when HD-DVD burners and blanks come down to a decent price.

If it helps, I'm using MF6+ to make ISO files for HDDVD 15GB projects, then burning to dual layer DVD+R with Nero. I tried creating folders with MF6+ and dropping them into a UDF-DVD but the A20 wouldn't read them, so I went with the ISO method.

They play great in my HD-A20.

Since I'm still on windows 2k on that computer, do I need a software patch from MS?

I think you can do this with Adobe Premiere PRo.
Just import the Video, and sync it with your audio track.

I think you can export it in mpg or vc-1 and use no compression for Audio.

If you use HD-DVD authoring software and you don't want to have the video compress again, I rename my files to EVO and it works....

So you are muxing uncompressed audio in to a VC1 stream and burning it to DVD media that works in a HD DVD player?

This is with Premiere?

@02fx4dude, the MF6+ creates a UDF 2.5 ISO. I can't read it in explorer either, but I can virtually mount the ISO and PowerDVD play the content without problems, so I guess we need some tool to read UDF 2.5 just like PowerDVD can read it and Imgburn can burn it.

I have created quite a few HD DVD disks lately (dual layer DVD+R with Plextor PX-760A drive) using Pinnacle Studio 11 Ultimate. The video was imported from my Sony HDR-HC1 camcorder. I have been playing them back on my XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on and have been very pleased with the result. The only problem I have run into is that there is some stuttering in the video for the first 45 seconds or so. The disks were created in best (25Mbs - 100%) quality mode by Studio 11. If I decrease the quality to 96% (24Mbs), the stuttering seems to go away.

Does anybody know of any free software that will play the .EVO files on my hard disk?

@02fx4dude, the MF6+ creates a UDF 2.5 ISO. I can't read it in explorer either, but I can virtually mount the ISO and PowerDVD play the content without problems, so I guess we need some tool to read UDF 2.5 just like PowerDVD can read it and Imgburn can burn it.

I did a quick google for "udf 2.5 reader" and it looks like there may be some drivers/reader programs for XP. Didn't do much more than that, maybe this weekend I'll investigate more. I just want to make sure that I will be able to get the streams off the disks in the future.

I discovered an answer to my question above: The Media Player Classic will play the HD DVD .EVO files on my hard disk.

I have a couple HD movies backed up on my hard drive as a 1080p24 WMVHD video stream with a Dolby Digital 5.1 audio track files. Would anyone have the best recommendation for encoding them so I can play these videos back on my XA2?

Best HD DVD authoring software is ( will be) NERO 8 - NeroVision v. 5.0
Street date 2007.10.01

Anybody have any experience using the recompression in MF6+?

I am sick of spanning an hourlong show onto two 4.7 GB disks. The media that I have right now isn't handling DL despite several methods I have tried.

How bad could 44 minutes of video with AC3 be on 4.7 GB?

I record a HD .TS from my OTA HD card on my PC and then burn to HDDVD to play on my A2.

Hi!
Can someone tell me wich DVD+R DL brand is working well on a Toshiba HD-XA2? I've tried Fujifilm and Ridata and both play very chunky. They are doing good on my computer and the same MPEG-2 file plays well from a DVD-R 4.7g.
Any idea?
Thanks!

Hi!
Can someone tell me wich DVD+R DL brand is working well on a Toshiba HD-XA2? I've tried Fujifilm and Ridata and both play very chunky. They are doing good on my computer and the same MPEG-2 file plays well from a DVD-R 4.7g.
Any idea?
Thanks!

I always use Verbatim. Also be sure that the booktype is set to +R and not to dvd-rom. That alone will cause any media to play back bad.

I always use Verbatim. Also be sure that the booktype is set to +R and not to dvd-rom. That alone will cause any media to play back bad.
Thanks!
Wich software are using to burn your HD DVD?
Do you have the latest firmware installed on your HD XA2 installed. If not, wich version are you using?

Thanks!
Wich software are using to burn your HD DVD?
Do you have the latest firmware installed on your HD XA2 installed. If not, wich version are you using?

I use nero. Just set it to UDF and xbox compatible and make sure the booktype isnt set to dvd-rom and burn at a slow speed and that works for me. I have the latest firmware on my A2 and they also play with powerdvd from a dvd drive on the computer as well. It seems its really just the booktype setting that causes the problem. As I had ones I did when I first started trying that would stutter. Yet when I took the same disc and copied them to another disc with just the booktype change they played fine.

I use nero. Just set it to UDF and xbox compatible and make sure the booktype isnt set to dvd-rom and burn at a slow speed and that works for me. I have the latest firmware on my A2 and they also play with powerdvd from a dvd drive on the computer as well. It seems its really just the booktype setting that causes the problem. As I had ones I did when I first started trying that would stutter. Yet when I took the same disc and copied them to another disc with just the booktype change they played fine.
I think you put the finger right on my problem... Hum, I have a French version of Nero. Where are booktype settings please?

I think you put the finger right on my problem... Hum, I have a French version of Nero. Where are booktype settings please?

Ok when you pull up the burning rom and select UDF and xbox compatible. Then when you click new you see the top bar an icon that looks like a drive with a disc comming out. Click that one, it lets you choose the recorder. You highlight the burner you use and then theirs an option button on the bottom. Clicking that drops down some more options. One of those is the booktype settings, and just set it too Physical disc type and that will have a +R burn as a +R and not a -rom. Till I did that I would always have studdering.

Ok when you pull up the burning rom and select UDF and xbox compatible. Then when you click new you see the top bar an icon that looks like a drive with a disc comming out. Click that one, it lets you choose the recorder. You highlight the burner you use and then theirs an option button on the bottom. Clicking that drops down some more options. One of those is the booktype settings, and just set it too Physical disc type and that will have a +R burn as a +R and not a -rom. Till I did that I would always have studdering
Here's my choices: http://www.hydralis.ca/booktype.jpg
Is there a missing option?

Here's my choices: http://www.hydralis.ca/booktype.jpg
Is there a missing option?

Ok now I see your problem. From what I understand their is no way to set the booktype on the pioneer dvr-111D. Some burners just automatically set it to -rom for some reason and others allow you to set it to either. So with that burner your best option would be to use -r disc. Its the only option I can see that should work with that burner.

Unfortunately, it looks as though your burner doesn't allow manual bitsetting. Not all burners allow it. My Pioneers set it automatically to DVD-ROM, while my Plextors allow me to set it manually.

Ok now I see your problem. From what I understand their is no way to set the booktype on the pioneer dvr-111D. Some burners just automatically set it to -rom for some reason and others allow you to set it to either. So with that burner your best option would be to use -r disc. Its the only option I can see that should work with that burner.
Unfortunately, it looks as though your burner doesn't allow manual bitsetting. Not all burners allow it. My Pioneers set it automatically to DVD-ROM, while my Plextors allow me to set it manually.

Thank you guys, really helpful. I will move my image file to another computer and maybe I will be able to change booktype settings.
Regards.

My DVD writer doesn't allow manual bitsetting and all of my disks play fine in my A1. I'm going to check out the A30 this week at Best Buy to see how it does with them.

My A1 was fine with just about any disc, too. I get the occasional stutter on the A2, but it's very rare. Hard to say exactly which combination of burners/media/playback devices will create a problem.

I'll be interested to learn how the A30 performs. I'm thinking of getting the A35.

Same here, after the 'physical drive' booktype setting. Planning to get the A35; expecting it will behave the same way as the A2 w/homebrew HD DVDs.

BTW, has anyone tried the new Nero 8 Ultra (http://www.nero.com/enu/nero8-features.html) or the $20 Ulead HD Power Pack (http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm)? Curious what advances have been made. One area that has been a real disappointment is the lack of HD DVD burners.

BTW, has anyone tried the new Nero 8 Ultra
Yes, I've just tried it a little bit. When burning UDF, the"Xbox" option is now gone and you can set UDF 1.02 to 2.6. I've tried a physical partition with UDF at 2.5 and my XA2 gave me an error message: this is not a readable DVD.
Under DVD Video, there's no option for HD DVD. You have to go throught Nero Vision to see some HD DVD stuff. It can encode MPEG2 and MPEG4. I didn't tried it.

Any suggestions?

I have converted the .m2t to .mpg with VideoReDo.

I have created the HD DVD folder and the HVDVD_TS with Ulead Movie Factory 6.

I cannot get Nero Version 7, so I have Version 8. Everything is different from the instructions for Nero 7 in the original post to this thread. I cannot find anything in Nero V8 with XBOX compatibility or the like.

Any ideas for using the multitude of options in Nero 8?

Thanks
Gerry P

Best HD DVD authoring software is ( will be) NERO 8 - NeroVision v. 5.0
Street date 2007.10.01

Care to tell us how to use it?

Care to tell us how to use it?
Hum, I didn't found a way to use it with Burning Rom.
Nero Vision is set to re encode your files. I didn't tried it yet.
Better to stick with Nero 7...

Anybody have any experience using the recompression in MF6+?

I am sick of spanning an hourlong show onto two 4.7 GB disks. The media that I have right now isn't handling DL despite several methods I have tried.

How bad could 44 minutes of video with AC3 be on 4.7 GB?

I record a HD .TS from my OTA HD card on my PC and then burn to HDDVD to play on my A2.

To answer my own question...it is pretty bad. Not sure if it is the encoder or a bitrate limitation, but it doesn't look much better than DVD.

Yes, I've just tried it a little bit. When burning UDF, the"Xbox" option is now gone and you can set UDF 1.02 to 2.6.

Using Nero 8.0.3.0...and it definately HAS GOT the XBOX-comp. mode ;)

Use DVD-ROM (UDF) and you will find it under UDF-options :)

Using Nero 8.0.3.0...and it definately HAS GOT the XBOX-comp. mode

Use DVD-ROM (UDF) and you will find it under UDF-options

Glad to read this! ;-)

I've been checking the 'playability' of many of my home burned discs since the 2.5 firmware update and so far anything recorded on a Verbatim DL has not played without serious audio/video sync problems at the beginning and end of the disc. Is anyone out there experiencing this issue and if not what method of burning and what DVD brand are you using with Verbatims to get playable results? I've consistently used Plextor or LG DVD units and use VideoReDo, Ulead Visual Studio 10+ and Nero for the processing to disc from captured HD file-thanks for any help

I've been checking the 'playability' of many of my home burned discs since the 2.5 firmware update and so far anything recorded on a Verbatim DL has not played without serious audio/video sync problems at the beginning and end of the disc. Is anyone out there experiencing this issue and if not what method of burning and what DVD brand are you using with Verbatims to get playable results? I've consistently used Plextor or LG DVD units and use VideoReDo, Ulead Visual Studio 10+ and Nero for the processing to disc from captured HD file-thanks for any help

Same problems... I copied HD DVD's from DVD+R DL on DVD-R DL and the problem was solved... until the next firmware...

Your question is not exactly clear. Are you saying that all of your Verbatim DL disks have a sync problem? What about other brands of media?

It would be easier to answer if you also said which player you are using. You did mention the 2.5 firmware update, so I assume you're using a 2nd gen machine, but which one? Also, are you writing the disks with a book type of DVD-ROM or not?

I've not had a single problem with my Verbatim DL disks on a HD-A1, using the same software you are using (except I use Ulead's Movie Factory 5) and with the bit set for DVD-ROM. I My DVD burner is a LG (HL-DT-STDVD-RW GSA-H11N) and does not allow me to set the book type via bitsetting.

Same problems... I copied HD DVD's from DVD+R DL on DVD-R DL and the problem was solved.
I did extensive testing a few months back with my HD-A2 and came to the same conclusion; DVD-R was the way to go. But, I don't care to spend $3+/disk to burn HD onto standard DVD's to find out that the next FW upgrade kills my playback.
I'm done wasting time and $$ trying to push the old technology beyond it's limits and getting disappointing results. Now I just save my hi-def content on hard disk till real HD burners/HD media materialize. Sometimes you have to know when to give in...

I have only been able to get "-R" DL DVDs to work between my PC and my A2 player. My PC has a Pioneer burner in it and I have tried all the different settings I can find in both Nero and ISOburn and can not get a "+R" DL disk to play right in my A2. All my "+R" DL disks play fine in the two XBox360 add on drives I have tested them in. Last week I tried HP brand DL +R DVDs and they will not even burn in my Pioneer, I get a error when it switchs from layer 1 to the second layer.

"+R" single layer disks play fine from my PC to my A2.

The programs I have been using are CapDVHS (to get TS stream from my Samsung SIR-T165 or DVHS deck into the PC), either VideoReDo or HDTV2MPG2 (HDTV2MPG2 also seems to work fine for just trimming the ends from PBS programs), ULead6, and for burning either ISOburn or Nero7.

Interesting on the DL +R vs -R. I've been burning to Memorex and Verbatim DL+R and they work fine on my A20, no problems. I let a friend at work try one of the CSI episodes I burned on his A2 and he said at first the Audio and video was just garbage but when he skipped to the next chapter it played fine.

Maybe I should try -R?

Your question is not exactly clear. Are you saying that all of your Verbatim DL disks have a sync problem? What about other brands of media?

It would be easier to answer if you also said which player you are using. You did mention the 2.5 firmware update, so I assume you're using a 2nd gen machine, but which one? Also, are you writing the disks with a book type of DVD-ROM or not?

I've not had a single problem with my Verbatim DL disks on a HD-A1, using the same software you are using (except I use Ulead's Movie Factory 5) and with the bit set for DVD-ROM. I My DVD burner is a LG (HL-DT-STDVD-RW GSA-H11N) and does not allow me to set the book type via bitsetting.
After I felt like I noticed some visual playback issues with firmware 2.5 on a XA-2 unit I started testing all the discs I had burned up until then. Fujifilm DL and Memorex DL brands came through OK but virtually every Verbatim DL had the stuttering problems at the beginning and end of the recordings. These discs were previously checked after recording for playback issues and worked fine up until I did the 2.3 and then quickly afterward the 2.5 firmware updates to the Toshiba. I've used Visual Studio 10+ all along and the other software I'm using is VideoReDo for editing and Nero 7 for burning. Those two pieces of software have been updated as new versions have become available so for the couple of Verbatim DLs that do work I can't really trace what version of the software I was using for editing or buring at the time. The DVD units that I'm using for burning are Plextor 760a and LG GSA H22N and GSA H55L, all updated to the latest firmware. Early on with this stuff I tried a Sony 500a but couldn't produce consistent results. I haven't paid attention to setting the Booktype allowing Nero to set it after selecting the UDF, enable XBox,etc that are described in the burning guide by Joseph. It is really annoying that I now have maybe 100 coasters instead of watchable programs and to my eyes the Toshiba XA-2 is also slowing more visual problems since the 2.5 update (ghosting on quick motion and movement stuttering) I've quit burning titles until I can resolve this problem and I've been buying more BDs lately because as much as I'm no more fond of Sony then anyone else I haven't had these types of problems with a PS-3 through all the updates they've done to that firmware, Toshiba really seems to have a problem getting their act togather as far as basic playback of this format--thanks for your interest in my problems and any help you can provide is GREATLY appreciated

After I felt like I noticed some visual playback issues with firmware 2.5 on a XA-2 unit I started testing all the discs I had burned up until then. Fujifilm DL and Memorex DL brands came through OK but virtually every Verbatim DL had the stuttering problems at the beginning and end of the recordings. These discs were previously checked after recording for playback issues and worked fine up until I did the 2.3 and then quickly afterward the 2.5 firmware updates to the Toshiba. I've used Visual Studio 10+ all along and the other software I'm using is VideoReDo for editing and Nero 7 for burning. Those two pieces of software have been updated as new versions have become available so for the couple of Verbatim DLs that do work I can't really trace what version of the software I was using for editing or buring at the time. The DVD units that I'm using for burning are Plextor 760a and LG GSA H22N and GSA H55L, all updated to the latest firmware. Early on with this stuff I tried a Sony 500a but couldn't produce consistent results. I haven't paid attention to setting the Booktype allowing Nero to set it after selecting the UDF, enable XBox,etc that are described in the burning guide by Joseph. It is really annoying that I now have maybe 100 coasters instead of watchable programs and to my eyes the Toshiba XA-2 is also slowing more visual problems since the 2.5 update (ghosting on quick motion and movement stuttering) I've quit burning titles until I can resolve this problem and I've been buying more BDs lately because as much as I'm no more fond of Sony then anyone else I haven't had these types of problems with a PS-3 through all the updates they've done to that firmware, Toshiba really seems to have a problem getting their act togather as far as basic playback of this format--thanks for your interest in my problems and any help you can provide is GREATLY appreciated

Well I just checked mine with my A2 with 2.5 and my Varbatim +R DL play fine. The one thing I can see wrong with what you do is letting nero set the booktype. If unchanged it will burn it with a dvd-rom setting, once you set it to physichal type it stays that way pretty much each time you come back. I can not stress this part enough, the book type setting is the key to this. I have a few of my first disc that would studder at the start and clear up after you got around 10 to 15min into them. I read around online and found about the booktype problem. Took one of those disc that studdered and copied it to another +R and made sure the booktype was not dvd-rom. The copy played fine, no studder where the other one had at all.

Well I just checked mine with my A2 with 2.5 and my Varbatim +R DL play fine. The one thing I can see wrong with what you do is letting nero set the booktype. If unchanged it will burn it with a dvd-rom setting, once you set it to physichal type it stays that way pretty much each time you come back. I can not stress this part enough, the book type setting is the key to this. I have a few of my first disc that would studder at the start and clear up after you got around 10 to 15min into them. I read around online and found about the booktype problem. Took one of those disc that studdered and copied it to another +R and made sure the booktype was not dvd-rom. The copy played fine, no studder where the other one had at all.

Which version of Nero are you using? I have 7 Ultra and when using Burning Rom after you click on burn and get the multiple recorder selection screen if I highlight Plextor 760a as the record to device I don't get an option selection that would allow me to manually set the booktype. If I quiry Nero for disc info then it gives me a DVD +R DL as the media so I would think that it would set the booktype to +/- R as a default after it sensed that type of disc being in the recorder. Also in the options selection from the menus there is no setting for booktype whether ROM or +/-R. Should I try re-installing Nero? It concerns me that other users are reproting the "option" selection and I don't have it available in my process. thanks steve

Which version of Nero are you using? I have 7 Ultra and when using Burning Rom after you click on burn and get the multiple recorder selection screen if I highlight Plextor 760a as the record to device I don't get an option selection that would allow me to manually set the booktype. If I quiry Nero for disc info then it gives me a DVD +R DL as the media so I would think that it would set the booktype to +/- R as a default after it sensed that type of disc being in the recorder. Also in the options selection from the menus there is no setting for booktype whether ROM or +/-R. Should I try re-installing Nero? It concerns me that other users are reproting the "option" selection and I don't have it available in my process. thanks steve

The problem is that many DVD writers do not give you the option to not set the booktype to DVD-ROM. It has nothing to do with the PC software you are using and has everything to do with the hardware you're using to write the disks.

... I've quit burning titles until I can resolve this problem and I've been buying more BDs lately because as much as I'm no more fond of Sony then anyone else I haven't had these types of problems with a PS-3 through all the updates they've done to that firmware, Toshiba really seems to have a problem getting their act together as far as basic playback of this format...

It seems you are saying that you are buying commercial Blu-Ray disks instead of buying commercial HD DVDs because you cannot burn your own 3x HD DVDs. I'm missing something here, because buying BDs seems unrelated to burning HD DVDs. Don't commercial HD DVDs playback fine?

I'm not saying Toshiba is doing everything everyone wants to improve all of our HD DVD experience, but they have done an exceptional job with my HD-A1. None of the previous DVD plays I've owned ever allowed me to update the firmware, and several of the early ones were more expensive than the HD-A1 and had serious problems.

Buying more BDs lately is an aside from these negative experiences of Toshiba's firmware updates not correcting problems with disc playback that should be correctable, thrown on top of that I feel that I'm seeing visual issues in playback of regular purchased HDDVDs since the 2.5 update; thrown on top of why would a company in this industry that is well aware of specifications generate a 24p mode as an important update that runs at 24 and not the proper 23.97 causing all sorts of video/audio sync issues that many members of this forum are commenting about. I've been buying more BDs than HDDVDs lately becasue Toshiba isn't convincing me I should do otherwise. I've been right there supporting this format since they released the A1 which I bought as soon as stock appeared in my area and then upgraded to an XA-2 when it became available. Toshiba needs to have a high level of compatability to existing discs, responsive control of playback and real studio support that isn't bought at a price to ensure the success of their company and this format.

Arguing is a pointless pursuit; are you burning DL media discs for HDDVD playabck of programming material you have recorded and if you are successfully what equipment and software are you using to do it with and have you tested your disc playabck after the various firmware updates to see if your burned discs still work. I have a 4 inch stack of discs that used to play fine but stutter now with the 2.5 firmware and I'm only half way through getting the material I've already burned and verified playback on.

Which version of Nero are you using? I have 7 Ultra and when using Burning Rom after you click on burn and get the multiple recorder selection screen if I highlight Plextor 760a as the record to device I don't get an option selection that would allow me to manually set the booktype. If I quiry Nero for disc info then it gives me a DVD +R DL as the media so I would think that it would set the booktype to +/- R as a default after it sensed that type of disc being in the recorder. Also in the options selection from the menus there is no setting for booktype whether ROM or +/-R. Should I try re-installing Nero? It concerns me that other users are reproting the "option" selection and I don't have it available in my process. thanks steve

I use 7 ultra as well. Its on the select a burner button, looks like a burner with a disc sticking out. Then when you select your burner you have an options button that will bring an extra screen drop down. Their you should see a booktype setting, chaning it to physical type and not automatic or dvd-rom. Its not on the tabs when you click burn but set before you click the burn button. Same place as the burn button but to the right of it some. Nero will set it to dvd-rom if you dont tell it not too, thinking it makes it more compatible. Just after you put the folder in and before you click burn click on the drive selection and can set the booktype and should come out fine.

Thanks for the tip-reset the booktype to the physical disc rather than dvd-rom and sure enough the stuttering at the beginning and end of sides is gone-I have to wonder if an earlier version of Nero left this alone or defaulted to the physical disc because i had a whole string of burns that were successful and then the process seemed to go awry-the video playback is also seemingly improved from what performance i've been getting lately on home burns-your help is very appreciated-steve

Thanks for the tip-reset the booktype to the physical disc rather than dvd-rom and sure enough the stuttering at the beginning and end of sides is gone-I have to wonder if an earlier version of Nero left this alone or defaulted to the physical disc because i had a whole string of burns that were successful and then the process seemed to go awry-the video playback is also seemingly improved from what performance i've been getting lately on home burns-your help is very appreciated-steve

Glad I was able to help out.

Buying more BDs lately is an aside from these negative experiences of Toshiba's firmware updates not correcting problems with disc playback ...

Arguing is a pointless pursuit;...

I'm sorry if I appeared argumentative. I'm seriously thinking of getting one of the dual format players that should arrive later in the year and wanted to figure out what you said in that earlier post.

I was also trying to point out that Toshiba appears to have fixed the problems with the A1, so there still is hope for the 2nd gen players.

MF6 SLOW LOADING.

I've read through the thread, and the original instructions, of course, and can't overcome this problem. On a 1080i recording of about 8 GB, output as an mpg by videoredo from the original ts, MF6 takes about an hour to highlight the file from the window that lists possible input files, and then another half hour to load it. I've specified HD DVD 15, and all other switches are appropriately set. I haven't manipulated the ts in videoredo at all, since the bit rate is below 20 Mbs.

I never had this problem with MF5. Anybody else experience this problem?

Mitch

Best HD DVD authoring software is ( will be) NERO 8 - NeroVision v. 5.0
Street date 2007.10.01

Has anyone dowloaded Nero 8 and the HD-DVD plug-in? Are rumors that it may support authoring non-MPEG2 streams true? Does HD-DVD authoring work at all?

MF6 SLOW LOADING.
...On a 1080i recording of about 8 GB, output as an mpg by videoredo from the original ts, MF6 takes about an hour to highlight the file from the window that lists possible input files, and then another half hour to load it. ...
Mitch
This sure sounds like the problem we had with MF5 trying to load a MPG file with the wrong video resolution or that was marked with too high a bitrate. I suggest you try playing with HDPatch and see if you can fix the file so MF6 can load it.

Are you are feeding MF6 a MPG file or a transport stream? It wasn't clear in your post. I've only used MPG files myself .

This sure sounds like the problem we had with MF5 trying to load a MPG file with the wrong video resolution or that was marked with too high a bitrate. I suggest you try playing with HDPatch and see if you can fix the file so MF6 can load it.

Are you are feeding MF6 a MPG file or a transport stream? It wasn't clear in your post. I've only used MPG files myself .

Hyrax,

It's an mpg file, output from videoredo. It was downloaded firewire from TV, is 1080i and shouldn't have a bit rate above 20 Mbs.

I'll try HDPatch and see what it shows.

Thanks,

Mitch

Does anyone know what the specific mux rate "cutoff" is for MF6 wanting to recode a MPG file? Is it 29Mbps or something less?

Hyrax,

It's an mpg file, output from videoredo. It was downloaded firewire from TV, is 1080i and shouldn't have a bit rate above 20 Mbs.

I'll try HDPatch and see what it shows.

Thanks,

Mitch

I used to have this problem (slow loads) with most of my VideoRedo files. Did you try this (from the guide)?

a. Start VideoRedo. Select File>Open Video… . In the browser, select the movie you’ve captured. (Tip: if you have multiple files that need to be added as a whole, lasso select the files and choose "Combine," not "Join," from the dialog that follows; the file segments will be combined into one large MPEG.)
b. In the main menu, select Tools>Options. Hold down the shift key as you click on "Options." This will bring up one additional selection - "Add GOP Timecode to all GOPs... .") Click on this and change the value to "True."

This feature allowed me to use VideoRedo for my projects, although it sometimes led to some strange playback anomalies of the resulting MPEG2 files in MyHD.

I used to have this problem (slow loads) with most of my VideoRedo files.....


Thanks for your suggestions. I thought that my bit rate was set to 20 Mbs or below. It wasn't. Changing it in Videoredo fixed the problem. Thanks again.

In reference to bfdtv's question, what is the bitrate above which the slow load becomes a problem?



Mitch

Thanks for your suggestions. I thought that my bit rate was set to 20 Mbs or below. It wasn't. Changing it in Videoredo fixed the problem. Thanks again.

In reference to bfdtv's question, what is the bitrate above which the slow load becomes a problem?



Mitch


I use HDPatch to set the bitrate to 25000000 or lower. The bitrate reported by HDPatch is what is set in the header info, and it is usually bogus and has nothing to do with the actual bitrate of the mpg file, but DVD MF reads the header and is confused if it is above 25000000. I am using the latest Video Studio 11 and it does not seem to be bothered by the bogus bitrate in the headers, so I do not change it with HDPatch anymore.

Mike T

As most are probably now aware by now, Tivo recently enabled high-definition file copies from their DVRs to PCs.

My problem is that the recordings are transferred in MPG format, not TS format. I want to cut commercials, but HDTVtoMPEG2 doesn't accept MPG files -- it only accepts TS files.

Is there any freeware application that will convert MPG files to TS files so commercials can be removed with HDTVtoMPEG2?

Is there any freeware application that will convert MPG files to TS files so commercials can be removed with HDTVtoMPEG2?
It's not free, but VideoRedoPlus can convert as well as autoscan and cut commercials.

It's not free, but VideoRedoPlus can convert as well as autoscan and cut commercials.
I was about to suggest the same. VideoRedo is a great app and worth the cost if you plan on editing streams on a regular basis. Freeware apps can be great at times, but sometimes a few bucks buys you much greater ease of use and efficiency.

I was about to suggest the same. VideoRedo is a great app and worth the cost if you plan on editing streams on a regular basis. Freeware apps can be great at times, but sometimes a few bucks buys you much greater ease of use and efficiency.VideoRedo is an excellent program. I own it.

I'm just trying to give someone else a freeware alternative to cut commercials. HDTVtoMPEG2 looked good, but it can't open MPGs copied from a HDTV Tivo.

I was already trying to find an answer by using search, no success.
I have a 3xDVD which plays fine on HD-DVD player, but I can not play it on my PC. :mad:
Is it even possible to play those disks on a PC DVD disk player/burner?
What SW player do I need, PowerDVD/WinDVD, etc?

Xbox 360 add-on drive plus PowerDVD Ultra. If your video card and display aren't HDCP compatible, you'll also need AnyDVD.

There's a thread in the HTPC forum and more in the HD DVD player forum under the Xbox360.

I currently have the 360 addon, would the A2 be more friendly to home make 3xDVD discs?

I currently have the 360 addon, would the A2 be more friendly to home make 3xDVD discs?That seems to be the case.

Just bought the nero 8 upgrade and the HDDVD plugin $25 more after the $50 upgrade fee. It won't let me set a bitrate for re-encoding under 15 Mbps. It also won't let me re-encode to 720p. Generally speaking, I am disappointed. Also, I have to burn to the Hard Drive and then separately burn to a DVD+R or DVD+R DL.

Krawitham,

From my limited writing HD video to blank DVDs as HD-DVDs, the XBox 360 add on will read both "-R" and "+R" double layer DVDs, but my A2 will only read (without stuttering) "-R" double layer DVDs. My problem seems to be because my PC/DVD burner will not let me change the "type" to "book". The single layer disks of both types that I have burned work fine on both the Xbox and A2. I just order "-R" double layer DVDs on line when I need them (none of my local stores sell -R DL DVDs).

Having no luck at all trying to create a HD DVD using VideoStudio 11. Even if I can get it to work, I don't think VS11 has the capability to create looped HD DVD content. I have a show opening on Friday and I have to get my HD video going on an endless loop on a Toshiba A30 HD player by then. I'm starting to think about small PC-based kiosk media players as an alternative. Help!!

Peter

Having no luck at all trying to create a HD DVD using VideoStudio 11. Even if I can get it to work, I don't think VS11 has the capability to create looped HD DVD content. I have a show opening on Friday and I have to get my HD video going on an endless loop on a Toshiba A30 HD player by then. I'm starting to think about small PC-based kiosk media players as an alternative. Help!!

Peter

Don't know why you are having trouble creating a disc that works. Under Project Settings/Navigation Controls just make sure that there is a check mark in the "Auto playback when disk play back ends". It should loop then. I would create it without an opening menu.

Steve

Don't know why you are having trouble creating a disc that works. Under Project Settings/Navigation Controls just make sure that there is a check mark in the "Auto playback when disk play back ends". It should loop then. I would create it without an opening menu.

Steve

Thanks Steve. I just found that a few minutes ago! Still having trouble making a DVD that will play in the Toshiba however.

I first converted my 1920x1080 25fps AVI to a 1920x1080 29.97fps MPEG2 with Procoder. The HD previews correctly in the preview monitor of Ulead, and succesfully burns, but when inserted into the A30, I get a message saying the disc is not DVD format.

Somebody said export the HD Ulead project to an ISO and then burn, but the ISO button is greyed out. I'll keep plugging away at it. Perhaps I should encode at 24fps?

Peter

Thanks Steve. I just found that a few minutes ago! Still having trouble making a DVD that will play in the Toshiba however.

I first converted my 1920x1080 25fps AVI to a 1920x1080 29.97fps MPEG2 with Procoder. The HD previews correctly in the preview monitor of Ulead, and succesfully burns, but when inserted into the A30, I get a message saying the disc is not DVD format.

Somebody said export the HD Ulead project to an ISO and then burn, but the ISO button is greyed out. I'll keep plugging away at it. Perhaps I should encode at 24fps?

Peter

Try un-checking the "Create disc" and check the "Create HD DVD Folders" box. Use Nero to burn a "CD-ROM (UDF) disc. Under UDF File Systems Options, select "Enable Xbox Compatablity Mode". Drag the contents of the folder created from Ulead and burn on DVD-R or DVD+R disc.

Steve

Try un-checking the "Create disc" and check the "Create HD DVD Folders" box. Use Nero to burn a "CD-ROM (UDF) disc. Under UDF File Systems Options, select "Enable Xbox Compatablity Mode". Drag the contents of the folder created from Ulead and burn on DVD-R or DVD+R disc.

Steve

Steve, do you mean "Use Nero to burn a "CD-ROM (UDF) disc" or a DVD-ROM (UDF)?

Peter

Found it. Sorry. you did mean "Use Nero to burn a "CD-ROM (UDF) disc"

Thanks for all your help Steve. Got it going! Ulead only seems to want to encode at 29fps, but 24 would be closer to my 25fps original. I'll work on it. I owe you a beer if you come Down Under.

Peter

Steve, do you mean "Use Nero to burn a "CD-ROM (UDF) disc" or a DVD-ROM (UDF)?

Peter

Sorry about that. Yes a DVD-ROM.

Just bought the nero 8 upgrade and the HDDVD plugin $25 more after the $50 upgrade fee. It won't let me set a bitrate for re-encoding under 15 Mbps. It also won't let me re-encode to 720p. Generally speaking, I am disappointed. Also, I have to burn to the Hard Drive and then separately burn to a DVD+R or DVD+R DL.Can you clarify what authoring capabilities you get with that $25 plug-in?

Will that that $25 plug-in enable Nero to (1) burn unaltered high-definition MPEG-2 files (no re-encoding)? Will it fit larger sources to disk by re-encoding to MPEG-4 AVC?

I guess I really want to know if the HD-DVD add-on is comparable to the built-in AVCHD support, which automatically re-encodes with MPEG-4 AVC using whatever compression necessary to fit your recording on the selected disk (DVD5 or DVD9).

I can select either mpeg-2 or mpeg-4 AVC. I am not sure if it will automatically try to re-encode or not. You can't burn directly to DVD5 or DVD9 from within nero vision that I can find. You would have to set a bitrate for re-encoding to get the appropriate size, burn to a hard drive folder, and then burn it with Nero Burning ROM.

OK, just had it build an HD-DVD to my hard drive with a compliant mpeg-2 source. Looks like it is not re-encoding, as it is only giving me an hour finish time.

I will check later to see what it does with a non-compliant 12 GB h.264 file.

ok. Fed it a 1 hr 54 minute h.264 file. Set it to mpeg-4, automatic quality setting (fit to disk). It chooses the lowest bitrate that it is able to , 15000 kbps, and then says it isn't going to fit on the disk(a 14 gb HD-DVD). If it were truly re-encoding to mpeg-4, couldn't we use lower bitrates for comparable quality?

I am going to have to break movies over 2 DVD9 disks, and this is no better off than I was with DVD Movie Factory. Actually, it is worse because I can't tell Nero to size things for a DVD5 or DVD9 disk.

Do the new Toshiba players have any problems with X3 disks? My current collection all play fine on my HD-A1, but my burner does not support bit-setting.

I'm hoping I can upgrade one day and not need to re-burn all my disks.

I can select either mpeg-2 or mpeg-4 AVC. I am not sure if it will automatically try to re-encode or not. You can't burn directly to DVD5 or DVD9 from within nero vision that I can find. You would have to set a bitrate for re-encoding to get the appropriate size, burn to a hard drive folder, and then burn it with Nero Burning ROM.Thanks. I've since confirmed that Nero8 does not directly support the HD-DVD format with DVD5 and DVD9 media.

OK, just had it build an HD-DVD to my hard drive with a compliant mpeg-2 source. Looks like it is not re-encoding, as it is only giving me an hour finish time.If it takes an hour, it must be doing something. Ulead DVD MovieFactory6 Plus takes as little as 10 minutes to build a disk with a compliant MPEG-2 source.

My newly bought A2 will not play my own red laser DVDs that play ok in my A1. I do get stutter in the first 5 or so min then pb is ok.
Firmware is 2.6.
1) Is there a firmware that will fix this?
2) I understand that the booktype possibly plays a role, how can I change existing HD DVDs ,I do not have the files anymore, so can I copy to a different booktype and how.

Thanks so much for any help.

Gene

Sorry about putting this in here twice.

My newly bought A2 will not play my own red laser DVDs that play ok in my A1. I do get stutter in the first 5 or so min then pb is ok.
Firmware is 2.6.
1) Is there a firmware that will fix this?
2) I understand that the booktype possibly plays a role, how can I change existing HD DVDs ,I do not have the files anymore, so can I copy to a different booktype and how.

Thanks so much for any help.

Gene

Sorry about putting this in here twice.

You can just copy the files from the already burnt hd-dvd onto your hard drive and re-burn. Then in Nero you have to change the booktype for your burner to "physical disc type"...note that not all burners allow you to do this.

Chris

Thank you so much Chris for your response. I have Nero 6.6 and Roxio 8 and neither seems to have any way of changing the physical or DVD ROM type setting. In fact the LiteOn drive is supposed to handle DVD-R but does not. May have to buy an external drive. I did make an image and burned it but as expected there was no change.
Will have to keep digging.
Do you know if an earlier A2 firmware will fix this?

Is it possible to make the burner change the burn type by getting new drivers?.It is a
LiteOn DVDRW SOHW-1633s

Thanks again, Gene

Thank you so much Chris for your response. I have Nero 6.6 and Roxio 8 and neither seems to have any way of changing the physical or DVD ROM type setting. In fact the LiteOn drive is supposed to handle DVD-R but does not. May have to buy an external drive. I did make an image and burned it but as expected there was no change.
Will have to keep digging.
Do you know if an earlier A2 firmware will fix this?

Is it possible to make the burner change the burn type by getting new drivers?.It is a
LiteOn DVDRW SOHW-1633s

Thanks again, Gene

The setting is a bit buried in Nero...the following link shows someone describing exactly where it is in Nero 7 (which is what I use):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11775926#post11775926

The picture's French, but you get the idea. :)

Remember still, some burners just don't allow you to set the booktype.

When I was using DVD-R and DVD-R DLs (the DLs are VERY expensive...$4/disc), I had absolutely no stuttering. I'd rather use DVD+R DLs since they're cheaper, and by using the booktype setting correctly, I'm able to.

Hope this helps,

Chris

Thanks again Chris. I have made a lot of progress, installed new firmware in the burner that allows the use of DVD-R . The original driver was from 2001!.
So making copies to DVD-R now works fine. Did not know if DVD-DLs even existed but you answered that too.
Will keep digging, not sure if I should get a new burner, question then arrises what model will allow the burn format to be changed. Or wait untill HD-DVD burners show up.
So now I can pass the A2s on to the family ( bought 3 of them)

You have been very helpful Chris!
Gene

A search here on "rip" hasn't helped me: Once a HD TV program has been burned to DVD using this method, can it easily be "ripped" to hard disk again, and used say in converting to a portable device?

Or has the mpg-now-evo have to be massaged using another dozen programs and steps 1-123 from doom9? :o

I would archive my shows to DVD+R DL (for primary playback on my Toshiba HD player) if I could get at them again for other purposes...

Well, off and running.
The clincher was a download of the LITEON book type software utility that allows my internal liteonDVDRW SOHW 1633S to be toggled from DVD-ROM to NORMAL and with the latter, normal, I can burn Verbatim DVD+R DLs that work fine on a A2. I use Roxio8 to make a HD image from a DVD+ that stutters on the A2 and the burn in the book type"normal"
For regular DVD+R I just copy to DVD-R.

Thank you all for helping me along!!
Gene

I have been looking and trying the aftermarket hd pal to hd ntsc conversion applications for several months to allow my HDE1 to play my hd home movies via MF authoring. I've noticed much discussion regards the best quality results for a pal to ntsc conversion given that the HDE1 requires ntsc source files to playback. My needs are based from hd pal mpeg2 files(with muxed audio) exported from my home video’s to having convert them to hd ntsc mpeg2 that is required for importing into movie factory hd 3X redlaser dvd authoring. These in turn play on my Toshiba HD E1. (I really do wish Toshiba would hurry up an be able to provide firmware to play hd pal source material !)
A few people have had excellent results with avisynth scripts to do the hd pal to hd ntsc conversion.
I am much a newbie to using avisynth but the finalisation with getting audio in sync and the finer details seems to land me back to where I started and so it seems, other differing viewpoints.
Is there anyone out there with similar requirements and /or able to assist me with step by step method to achieve these potentially perfect results.? (all other methods with tmpg, procoder etc are not smooth, crisp and accurate as hd really is), having tried and experienced all these different methods.
I'm not sure if this post is in the correct forum but please to be "relocated" elsewhere.
Thanks.

Thanks. I've since confirmed that Nero8 does not directly support the HD-DVD format with DVD5 and DVD9 media.

What we really need is HD Rec support. (Edit:That is, if the A2 can read HD Rec)

[QUOTE=bfdtv;12084458]Thanks. I've since confirmed that Nero8 does not directly support the HD-DVD format with DVD5 and DVD9 media.

How is it possible as its clear that HD is supported?


http://www.nero.com/enu/nero8-introduction.html

Thanks. I've since confirmed that Nero8 does not directly support the HD-DVD format with DVD5 and DVD9 media.How is it possible as its clear that HD is supported?

http://www.nero.com/enu/nero8-introduction.htmlHD DVD is supported if you have a HD DVD writer and 15Gb HD DVD media. Do you have a HD DVD writer and 15Gb HD DVD media? I don't.

Nero 8 will not author HD-DVD with DVD5 and DVD9 media.

Just curious if any progress has been made in burning mkv files (unmodified) to DVD-/+R/DL? I haven't seen any posts about it since July. Last I heard the tools weren't available so people were trying re-encode to MPEG...

A search here on "rip" hasn't helped me: Once a HD TV program has been burned to DVD using this method, can it easily be "ripped" to hard disk again, and used say in converting to a portable device?

Or has the mpg-now-evo have to be massaged using another dozen programs and steps 1-123 from doom9? :o

I would archive my shows to DVD+R DL (for primary playback on my Toshiba HD player) if I could get at them again for other purposes...

I am wondering this same thing. Does anyone know if there is a simple way to convert a non-encrypted evo from a disc back to the original mpeg2?

Just curious if any progress has been made in burning mkv files (unmodified) to DVD-/+R/DL? I haven't seen any posts about it since July. Last I heard the tools weren't available so people were trying re-encode to MPEG...


As far as I know there are no such tools available for MKV building an HD-DVD.

I have not seen such a solution yet, but would also be interested in that :)

Hi Laserfan,
I'm sure I have used VideoReDo will open .evo files (probably only mpeg2 evo files like you mention though, not h264 or vc-1).

I assume you can then save the streams out as mpg or even back to a ts transport stream.

Assuming lipsync remains correct, it's a nice playable way to archive mpeg2 ts captures.

regards,
Rob.

I've searched this thread, but don't think this is addressed.

I have some demo WMV-HD files downloaded from the Microsoft website. I would like to burn these to a DVD to play in an HD-DVD player.

I can convert the files to MPEG2 easy enough (Any Video Creator is a nice freeware program for this kind of thing). As I understand it, the next step is to create a HD-DVD "compliant" ISO that you can then burn.

So to create this ISO - can you use any ISO creation program? Same for the burning - will anything do?

It would be nice to have freeware options if any exist!

Thanks in advance.

Once you have the files as mpeg2, the steps in the first post in this thread will work. The trick is to author an ISO with the proper HD DVD file structure and burn it in UDF. Not every app will do that. The ones that do, with complete instructions, are listed in the first post.

I edit MPEG2 with VideoRedo, author HD DVDs with Movie Factory 5 and burn with Nero 7. Those aren't the only possibilities, and none of them are free, but they work consistently once you get the hang of it.

Item # 270182847589 at everyone's favorite auction site is a OEM CD w/ Nero 7 Essentials. Is this a deal or a steal? $7

I don't feel like buying a new burner to get the software.

**edit** I guess the first question should be is Nero 7 Essentials able to burn the HD file like Nero 7? This, I do not know.

good job, Thanks !

Item # 270182847589 at everyone's favorite auction site is a OEM CD w/ Nero 7 Essentials. Is this a deal or a steal? $7

I don't feel like buying a new burner to get the software.

**edit** I guess the first question should be is Nero 7 Essentials able to burn the HD file like Nero 7? This, I do not know.


I don't know, either. Apparently there are multiple versions of Essentials floating around, and some of them don't even have basic DVD support. See here: http://my.nero.com/index.php?__path=Blog%3A%2F%2FDisplayBlog%2FNeroDude%2F72002 58&NCSS=a101t22CPavzY5lmvRcIC0H7lYw7qr6wi7wL#0

I can tell you that I bought a Nero 6 Essentials disc on auction and wound up throwing it in the trash. It was so crippled that by the time I paid for the necessary upgrades I would have been within a few bucks of the price of the full package.

Well got a hd player on the big sales last week so I poked around this thread and did my first 1080i to dvd today. Took 3 tries to get everything right and ny head around what the instructions meant but last one played in my new A2, though the audio does skip at the beginning and end on the DL disk I finally got everything right on.
IF I pause the thing for a sec the stutters clear up for a bit and in the middle of the disk everything seemed to go fine.
I've done a LOT of dvd burning with a ton of burners and my guess is the Toshiba is sensitive to marginally recorded disks and so it has a hard time and stutters on playback. Probably the pc drive inside isn't as forgiving as the old A1 units were, though it has played some really iffy regular DL disk I tried in it just fine so far.
I'm going to reburn with a different burner that I know makes disks that seem to work in everything and see if it helps, disk is too big to try minus or plus regular media or I'd give that a shot as well.
I need to put my hdtv card back in now that I can make portable copies of things, Guess getting a HD player was a better idea then I thought;)
Thanks to everyone who helped put the guide together, this just made my day.

One big factor in stuttering is the book type. If your burning software defaults to DVD-ROM, see if you can change it to burn DVD+R (or -R if that's the media you're using.) In Nero that's under the recorder settings. Worked for me and others.

As for the HDTV card, it's a great way to archive. I currently have all the episodes of Heroes, without commercials and in full 1080, plus an assortment of movies and sporting events that I couldn't have gotten any other way.

Thanks, I didn't reset it to native booktype because in the regular dvd burning world most players will not play a DL burn set to dl+r, this would be a first but I'll give it a go and report back, redoing it with my LGh22n now, it seems to do disks that always work, so does my pioneer 111 as far as DL goes. I used my new Samsung S203b for the first one and it has a spotty record but last few regular dl disks played fine in the a2 so figured I'd try it again.

OK, forced the latest disk to dvd+r DL and now the 5.1 sound hasn't dropped out once, weird way to fix things but it works and it is a PC device after all so weirder things can happen. I did read about the bitsetting, just kinda glossed over it and left it the way the burner had it set. Burned the same speed, 4x, same burner, same media, so only thing changed was the bitsetting, Thanks for the advice, Norah Jones sure looks and sounds awesome in 1080i with 5.1 sound:D

because in the regular dvd burning world most players will not play a DL burn set to dl+r,
This in inaccurate. The vast majority of players have no trouble with +R DL related to book-type. The default ROM type setting was started by drive makers who were trying to pro-actively prevent issues with really old players.
The majority of problems with DL media in players is due to reflectivity issues, not book-type.

I suspect that if book-type changes are truly having an effect on recorded discs in HD players, it's because the player is adjusting laser calibration based on media type. In this case, it would be because the player is trying to use a calibration for HD-DVD ROM discs on recordable discs. So this would be a firmware issue. The player is confused about what it's playing. If it were correctly set up, it would read the correct disc type and not use the book type for laser calibration.

Well My Panasonic e80h refuses to play any plus media not set to dvd rom so I always set everything to rom just to make sure it works with every player. Most of the new players should be fine no matter what the bitsetting is yes.
And I think your right about the A2 using a different calibration when it knows it has a home burned disk in it. It acted like the old car players that couldn't pickup the bits from early cdr's back in the day. It was a bit better with the LG disk but still had a problem so better burning helped but machine still liked plus setting better.
Anyways, happy day for me and my new toy.

Sorry but just dropping by for the usual question:

are you able to burn VC1 or AVC files to DL DVD's yet? :)

Sorry but just dropping by for the usual question:

are you able to burn VC1 or AVC files to DL DVD's yet? :)Not yet with consumer tools (as far as I know).

Not yet with consumer tools (as far as I know).

You could with CreateSpace through Amazon (http://www.createspace.com/Special/L/1000HD_indies.jsp) I guess ;-)

This in inaccurate. The vast majority of players have no trouble with +R DL related to book-type. The default ROM type setting was started by drive makers who were trying to pro-actively prevent issues with really old players...

True, for HD DVDs, '+R' book type is fine (even preferred).
For SD DVDs however, you need 'DVD-ROM' book type (not +R).

So that is what confuses (some) people.

are you able to burn VC1 or AVC files to DL DVD's yet?
You have to go on a Mac with Final Cut Studio. You can encode H264 720p and burn it on a DVD-+R DL.
On my Xa2, only DVD-R DL are working perfectly. But on single layers, +R are ok (I use Verbatim).
It's amazing that Adobe on PCs did go Blu-Ray exclusive and Apple did same for HD-DVD... for now. ;-)

You have to go on a Mac with Final Cut Studio. You can encode H264 720p and burn it on a DVD-+R DL.
On my Xa2, only DVD-R DL are working perfectly. But on single layers, +R are ok (I use Verbatim).
It's amazing that Adobe on PCs did go Blu-Ray exclusive and Apple did same for HD-DVD... for now. ;-)
Does that mean you can burn a *cough* 720p blu-ray h264 mkv *cough* to HD-DVD compliant DVD+/-R without having to reencode it? Do you have step-by-step instructions?

Does that mean you can burn a *cough* 720p blu-ray h264 mkv *cough* to HD-DVD compliant DVD+/-R without having to reencode it? Do you have step-by-step instructions?
You will have to reencode with their "HD DVD presets" with Compressor or DVD Studio (both are part of the suite). Those presets are tagged "30 minutes, 60 or 90 minutes on a single layer DVD". (Double layer DVD's is possible too.)
You can chose MPEG2 or H264 codec. In their advertising, they said that you can burn VC1 but it's not true. For now you're stick with those two.
I didn't tried H264 coded with another application yet, but I don't think it will work. I have a couple of 720p mkv movies and I will try to burn them...
Hope it helps...

I'd very pretty interested in converting 720p MKVs and burning them on my mac and playing them on my A2. Playing them straight from VLC via DVI-HDMI cable isn't terrible, but the overscan never works perfectly - although I guess I have to see how the A2 does with upscaling 720p up to 1080i (and then my projector dumbs it back down to 720p anyway). I actually hate optical media now, but I haven't built my UnRAID server yet, and popping in a disc would be nice now and then... keep us posted :)

True, for HD DVDs, '+R' book type is fine (even preferred).
For SD DVDs however, you need 'DVD-ROM' book type (not +R).

So that is what confuses (some) people.

^+1

I am going to try burning to DVD this afternoon, but here is the roundabout way I am exploring (on the PC) to get h264 MKV files to HD-DVD compliant DVDs. If it works when I burn, I'll post specifics on the entire conversion process.

The first problem that you run into is converting out of that darn MKV format - it works really well, but makes it tough to get stuff out.

There is a free program called AlltoAVI that will convert MKVs to AVI files (I think using Xvid) - it maintains the resolution and you can set a high bitrate. I tested it on a fairly small 720p MKV file, about 160mb (4 1/2 minutes). I encoded at 8000kbps and ended up with a 190mb AVI file. From there, I opened up QuEnc, another free encoder, and converted the AVI to mpeg2. Again, I cranked up the bitrate to maintain quality. This part of the process was pretty quick, and created an mpeg2 file that preserved the original resolution.

So, this is where I sit... I have an mpeg2 (.mpg) file that is hopefully DVD compliant, converted from a 720p MKV. I'll put it into MovieFactory this afternoon and see what it can do. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Shade00-
In case you don't know...Make sure to run all 720p MPEG files through HDPatch to fool MovieFactory into thinking it is in a resolution that it doesn't need to transcode. You need to first use HDPatch's 720p preset on the MPEG file's first header before running MovieFactory and then use HDPatch's on the first EVO file created by MovieFactory before you burn it.

Shade00-
In case you don't know...Make sure to run all 720p MPEG files through HDPatch to fool MovieFactory into thinking it is in a resolution that it doesn't need to transcode. You need to first use HDPatch's 720p preset on the MPEG file's first header before running MovieFactory and then use HDPatch's on the first EVO file created by MovieFactory before you burn it.

Is this necessary with all versions of MovieFactory, or just prior to 5? I think I have MF6 (been a while since I used it). I was under the impression that it would not be necessary to HDPatch 720p files for MF6, but I'll still do it. Whatever will make it work.

It would be nice if there was a tool that could take MKVs straight to MPGs, but with any luck this solution will suffice.

Edit: I also haven't messed with burning yet, but I have Nero 7 - can't remember the burner brand, but I only have DVD+Rs. Should I buy some DVD-Rs? I have both the Xbox 360 add-on and the HD-A1. Do I still need to try to set the book type to DVD-ROM?

I've MF5, so I don't know about MF6's ability with 720p.

I also have a HD-A1, and know you do not need to worry about book type for this generation HD DVD player. The 2nd gen players seem to require it, and I have yet to hear about the 3rd gen.

I have a couple of 720p mkv movies and I will try to burn them...

DVD Studio Pro didn't accepted mkv coded files... ;-(
I will try with Compressor...

I will see what I can do with and without HDPatch when I get home in a couple of hours.

Does MF take a while to create the HD-DVD folder? I would assume it's fairly quick if it doesn't have to reencode anything.

I will see what I can do with and without HDPatch when I get home in a couple of hours.

Does MF take a while to create the HD-DVD folder? I would assume it's fairly quick if it doesn't have to reencode anything.

You shouldn't need to use HDPatch with newer versions of MF. They accept 720p natively. MF doesn't take long to create the HD DVD folder - only a little longer than would be necessary to do a straight copy, as long as no re-encoding is done.

Great. I'll try going straight into MF then. I am attempting this with a 4 minute file just to see how it goes... if everything goes well, I'll try it with a whole movie soon and see what kind of time it takes for the whole conversion process.

Help, my burner died, it was the type that could not change book type. Any suggestions for an internal burner, using XP , that allows book type change?

Thanks
Eugene

Ok, successfully made it from .MKV to HD-DVD. HD-A1 picked up the disc and played it with no problem.

MovieFactory 6 converted the mpeg when I created the HD-DVD folders though. I'm going to try HDpatch to see if that fixes it.

Problem with HDpatch. I am trying to patch in Vista, but every time I load the file and try to apply the patch, I get "The process cannot access the file "C:\insert name of file here.mpg" because it is being used by another process."

Any ideas?

Well, I guess there's either a problem with my files or with .NET. I can't figure out what's wrong. I get the same error when I try to use DVDPatcher to accomplish the header file changes. This is very aggravating. I wish I'd never gone with Vista. GRR!

HDPatch was able to patch the .EVO file from the HD-DVD folder I created earlier... what the heck is going on??? I've checked permissions, I've checked the programs that are running... nothing is giving me any hints to why this isn't working as it should.

Jesus, it's still such a cumbersome process?
This is pathetic, seriously, especially the ripoff Nero tries to play with evey single of its new release - zero invention, only more and more skin and every single feature is extra $$, so-called 'plugin.'
****in pathetic, this whole industry, that is.

Hey guys,Please
what burners allow bitsetting changes?

Ok, successfully made it from .MKV to HD-DVD. HD-A1 picked up the disc and played it with no problem.

MovieFactory 6 converted the mpeg when I created the HD-DVD folders though. I'm going to try HDpatch to see if that fixes it.
How long does the whole process take? I assume you are still having to re-encode the H264 to mpeg?

When are we going to the get the tools to simply remove the H264 video and audio files from the MKV container and burn them in using a compliant HD-DVD structure. Having to re-encode to mpeg is a ridiculous waste of time and extra space considering H264 is a supported codec!

How long does the whole process take? I assume you are still having to re-encode the H264 to mpeg?

When are we going to the get the tools to simply remove the H264 video and audio files from the MKV container and burn them in using a compliant HD-DVD structure. Having to re-encode to mpeg is a ridiculous waste of time and extra space considering H264 is a supported codec!

You do have to reencode. I haven't tested any material longer than 4 minutes, so I can't tell you exactly how long it'll take. I've got some more testing to do this afternoon, and since stupid Vista won't let me use HDpatch or DVDpatcher, I may be stuck.

Edit: Not exactly stuck, but if I can't change the mpeg headers, MF6 will make me reencode in that program. I agree, it's ridiculous to go through all this garbage, but until we have some better options, I'm going to try to work around it.

Hey guys,Please
what burners allow bitsetting changes?

My Plextor 750's do, but I'm not sure if they're current models. My Pioneer's don't allow it. Sorry not to be of more help. Have you tried the manufacturers' websites? (The spec sheets might give the info.)

You also might try PMing pteittinen. He's sort of our resident expert on burners.

I have an ASUS 1608. It does not allow bitsetting / booktype :( Where are you guys getting your DVD-R DL from? I can only find DVD+R DL locally.

I tried burning one song from a concert on a regular DVD-R and it worked perfectly on my HD-A2. Then I went and got some DVD+R DL and burned the whole concert. Now I get garbly, stuttering audio for about the first two minutes -- then it is fine. Video is perfect.

Anyone have a fix for this audio issue? I suspect it's the media and bitsetting. I went through a lot of this thread and changed my bitrate with HDPatch...etc, etc.

Just wanted some ideas before I spend the extra $ on the DVD-R DL.

I have an ASUS 1608. It does not allow bitsetting / booktype :( Where are you guys getting your DVD-R DL from? I can only find DVD+R DL locally.

I tried burning one song from a concert on a regular DVD-R and it worked perfectly on my HD-A2. Then I went and got some DVD+R DL and burned the whole concert. Now I get garbly, stuttering audio for about the first two minutes -- then it is fine. Video is perfect.

Anyone have a fix for this audio issue? I suspect it's the media and bitsetting. I went through a lot of this thread and changed my bitrate with HDPatch...etc, etc.

Just wanted some ideas before I spend the extra $ on the DVD-R DL.

When I was using DVD-R DL, I got Verbatim's from newegg, but they're expensive...more than $4/each.

I use DVD+R DLs now. You have to make sure the booktype setting is NOT "DVD-ROM". It should be set to "Physical Disc Type" in Nero.

If your burner can't support that, I would think getting a new, cheaper burner would save more money in the long run than buying the more expensive DVD-R DLs.

Chris

I would think getting a new, cheaper burner
Chris

What model would you suggest? Do you think it is possible to flash the firmware on my ASUS burner?

Hello everyone-

I am having some problems with HDPatch. I downloaded the utility from the first page, but whenever I try to use it, I get an error message saying "The file is already in use." I have copied the log entry below per file. Any suggestions? I am at my wit's end doing this. I also haven't been able to keep VideoReDo from shutting down when I try to convert a file. I have downloaded two different versions, and each one does the same. (I am using vista if that helps.)

System.IO.IOException: The process cannot access the file 'C:\Users\Chase\Desktop\testfile.mpg' because it is being used by another process.
at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
at System.IO.FileStream.Init(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, Int32 rights, Boolean useRights, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES secAttrs, String msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access)
at HDPatch.MPEG2Patcher.Open(FileAccess mode)
at HDPatch.MPEG2Patcher.PatchAllSequenceHeaders()

Hey guys,Please
what burners allow bitsetting changes?
Check this site out:
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters
On the right side, click the "BookType/Bitsetting" box, then click the Search button. It will update the list below with all of the drives that support that feature.

^^Thanks for the advice. I got this one. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106055) Also got a 10-pack of DVD+R DL. Hopefully this is the solution!!

Hello everyone-

I am having some problems with HDPatch. I downloaded the utility from the first page, but whenever I try to use it, I get an error message saying "The file is already in use." I have copied the log entry below per file. Any suggestions? I am at my wit's end doing this. I also haven't been able to keep VideoReDo from shutting down when I try to convert a file. I have downloaded two different versions, and each one does the same. (I am using vista if that helps.)


I am having a very similar problem in Vista. I believe it is a problem with Vista's .NET compatibility with these programs. I am probably going to switch back to XP in the next couple of days - I'm not looking forward to it, but it looks like it has to be done.

Thank you Joe.
Spend half a day searching for a drive that allows bitsetting and came across this entry : ALL LITEON DRIVES MADE SINCE 2004 WILL SUPPORT BITSETTING. Bingo!

Liteon, on their website has a utility "Bitsetting V 1.35". I am using that with a liteon DVDRW LH-20A1P KLON bought at a Wally for $42. (same unit that abuharabi bought)
This works well, I can change the bitsetting to NORMAL and it is still there after re-boot. (After checking the remember box)

Using Verbatim R+DL and no more stuttering.

Anthem thanks, I did look at that site too but got misinformation, my HP1040i was listed as having bitsetting but it actually did not have that feature even though it appeared to be made by Liteon.

Gene

Thank you Joe.
Spend half a day searching for a drive that allows bitsetting and came across this entry : ALL LITEON DRIVES MADE SINCE 2004 WILL SUPPORT BITSETTING. Bingo!

Liteon, on their website has a utility "Bitsetting V 1.35". I am using that with a liteon DVDRW LH-20A1P KLON bought at a Wally for $42.
This works well, I can change the bitsetting to NORMAL and it is still there after re-boot. (After checking the remember box)

Using Verbatim R+DL and no more stuttering.

Anthem thanks, I did look at that site too but got misinformation, my HP1040i was listed as having bitsetting but it actually did not have that feature even though it appeared to be made by Liteon.

Gene


You guys beat me to it. I've been using LiteOn burners for years now, and am currently using the same one abuharabi just bought. Best firmware support and a dedicated user base built around some ingenious hackers.

Burning Verbatim and Memorex DL+R with excellent results in my Tosh A2 and Xbox 360 drive.

Be aware that while most burners will set book type to ROM for DL media, many of those cannot be stopped from doing just that. The LiteOn burners are good because you can use the utility to control what the drive does. Some burners will bitset for DL only, and not for +R or +RW, or any combination of those 3. There are similar utilities available for some other burners, and even modded firmware for the same purposes. http://club.cdfreaks.com is an excellent resource for all this stuff.

So from what I gather I can capture HDDVD video and audio onto my hard drive via the 360 add on and strip copy protection at the same time, correct? And then I can burn copies onto dual layer DVD's and play them back on the 360, correct? What is the best possible way to do this in terms of software requirements? What will offer me the highest quality copies and what are the steps I need to take?

So from what I gather I can capture HDDVD video and audio onto my hard drive via the 360 add on and strip copy protection at the same time, correct? And then I can burn copies onto dual layer DVD's and play them back on the 360, correct? What is the best possible way to do this in terms of software requirements? What will offer me the highest quality copies and what are the steps I need to take?

Let's not go there. That's never been the intention of this thread. And any attempt to do that would result in much degraded picture quality. This process is great for fitting shorter material, such as HDV camcorder footage, onto DVD recordables.

You guys beat me to it. I've been using LiteOn burners for years now, and am currently using the same one abuharabi just bought. Best firmware support and a dedicated user base built around some ingenious hackers.

Burning Verbatim and Memorex DL+R with excellent results in my Tosh A2 and Xbox 360 drive.

Great news! Always good to hear first hand accounts of something working. If anyone else is interested, that burner can be found for around $28 via the link in my previous post.

The only downside is that I have a nice ASUS burner, in perfect working condition, that doesn't allow bitsetting. Oh well...guess that's the name of the tech game. :p

Thanks again to all of your help from this thread.

I'll keep you updated as I try my new hardware.

The only downside is that I have a nice ASUS burner, in perfect working condition, that doesn't allow bitsetting. Oh well...guess that's the name of the tech game. :p


Asus does not make burners, they sell re-badged drives. If you can find out who made the burner, there may be a different firmware available for it that does allow some measure of bit-setting. Try doing a search at the CDFreaks forums for the Asus model number and see if you get a hit on who made it.

HD DVD is supported if you have a HD DVD writer and 15Gb HD DVD media. Do you have a HD DVD writer and 15Gb HD DVD media? I don't.
Nero 8 will not author HD-DVD with DVD5 and DVD9 media.

Well, actually, it will. And when it works, it's excellent. Unfortunately, it works less than half the time! Although the picture is still tops, audio sync is the major problem. A careful rereading of sections of this forum topic mau ultimately resolve that issue.
In the meantime, leave it to Nero to use us as paying beta-testers for what could be a great app ... and to come out with a bloated package (at least half of it near-useless) that weighs in at almost 1 gig.
I wasted my money. For now, I'm sticking with my DVDMF 6 Plus and HDTV2MPEG2, which I find quicker and easier to handle, and the Nero Burning ROM using the procedure pretty much outlined by Joe Clark and the many subsquent contributors on this great forum. At this point, it's far more dependable than the NeroVision 5 with the $25 extra! HD DVD/BluRay plugin.
As for capturing pure transport stream hidef, i get those from hidef tapes recorded on my Mitsubishi DVHS through CapDVHS, a neglected nearly-forgotten little app that looks complicated but isnt and which works well. Recording the tapes via Firewire from my Motorola HDTV cable box is an extra step. But it serves me well and will continue to do so unless I take the plunge into direct HTPC.
Good luck to all you hidef pioneers out there.

Asus does not make burners, they sell re-badged drives. If you can find out who made the burner, there may be a different firmware available for it that does allow some measure of bit-setting. Try doing a search at the CDFreaks forums for the Asus model number and see if you get a hit on who made it.

Asus = Pioneer. However, that Pioneer doesn't natively support bitsetting either. So...whew...thought my $28 was a waste.

I think you can get the firmware from another burner manufacturer and make it work, but there's a chance of bricking the thing too. For $28 and a proven-to-work liteon, I guess I have a good spare burner.;)

I had a very reliable Lite-on burner that I gave to my sister. She's still using it. Their set top DVD burner, though, has been a different story. I've had two and the drive door failed on both. I got the one working by lubricating the open/close pulley, but I have a friend who had the exact same problem.

I am new to the whole HD-DVD Authoring.
My question is, I have a HD-DVD that I have ripped to my Hard drive.....it there some program I can use to take and edit this content. I don't want the whole disc a few select clips and burn them to DVD-R. I have figured out how to burn it...but cant't seen to read and cut out the video I want.
Please point me in the right direction.

Thanks
RayJr

You can do this with Scenarist Standard Content. However the learning curve, which I am still climbing btw, is steep enough that you might not find it worth your while. Also at issue would be investing in the software, as I think it's quite pricey...

I wasted my money. For now, I'm sticking with my DVDMF 6 Plus and HDTV2MPEG2, which I find quicker and easier to handle, and the Nero Burning ROM using the procedure pretty much outlined by Joe Clark and the many subsquent contributors on this great forumWhat is the need for Nero when MF6+ will burn the title itself?

What is the need for Nero when MF6+ will burn the title itself?

I find no need for Nero with MF6+. As long as you stay within the size of the DVD+R or DL+R, everything is fine for me. I am working with DVR-MS to MPG(quickstream fix). I have imported the mpg into MF6+ and remove the commercials there. That is easier, IMO, than editing the file in VideoRedo. It is pretty quick when you choose not to create a menu. And FYI, I am playing these on an HD-A2 firmware v2.5.

I find no need for Nero with MF6+. As long as you stay within the size of the DVD+R or DL+R, everything is fine for me.Agreed.

I just don't understand why people keep mentioning Nero. That seems like an added, unnecessary step that slows the process.

How do you set MF6+ to split the file so that it dosn't compress it to one dvd4.7. Some files need more than one 4.7g.

Hello all.

I have the CANON HV10. I dl'ed the Ulead VS 11 demo and it doesnt recognize my camera.

Movie Maker on the other hand that came with Vista seems to capture video from the camera perfectly... I think.


Has anyone either:

- Made ULEAD work with the HV10?

- Made Movie Maker work with the process outlined to create and HD-DVD?

Agreed.

I just don't understand why people keep mentioning Nero. That seems like an added, unnecessary step that slows the process.


People keep mentioning Nero because many of us need to change bittsetting for a proper playback. And the best recording-playblack method is:

-Create HD-DVD folders in UMF6

-Burn them (only HD-DVD-VideoTS) in Nero with this settings: no multisession, DVD-UDF, XBOX compatiblity, and bittsetting to phisical disk typ...

And voilá: perfect playback in all generations of HD-DVD players.

Also, Nero is mentioned because at its core it is a good burning tool. It is all the extra stuff they pack in that seems useless. I've found that my old version 5 of Nero burns these disks just fine. Also, since UMF5 works, I have yet to see a reason to update to UMF6.

OK, I have about 24GB of 1920x1080 footage that I just filmed in South America over the past couple of months (Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile) and want to put it onto HD DVD.

Currently it is in AVC 13mbps - and there is no !@#$ing way I'm down-converting it to MPEG-2!

So what consumer / pro-sumer programs do I currently have to choose from for PC?

sorry, but there is not any way to author a homebrew HD-DVD with AVC or h264... At this moment only mpeg2. This is the limitation today. And the best software for PC without question (to create HD-DVD) is Ulead Movie Factory 6+

Hello all.

I have the CANON HV10. I dl'ed the Ulead VS 11 demo and it doesnt recognize my camera.

Movie Maker on the other hand that came with Vista seems to capture video from the camera perfectly... I think.


Has anyone either:

- Made ULEAD work with the HV10?

- Made Movie Maker work with the process outlined to create and HD-DVD?

Did you download the HD Power pack for VS11 too?

How do you set MF6+ to split the file so that it dosn't compress it to one dvd4.7. Some files need more than one 4.7g.MF6+ lets you pick the size of the DVD (menu on bottom left). However, if you want to use multiple SL DVD disks, then I suppose that does make sense.

Screenshot (http://mysite.verizon.net/~fiosdvr/author/import.png)

If your burner doesn't support booktype bitsetting, you still have an option to get stutter-free video by simply using DVD+RW rewritable media, since burners are not able to reset the booktype to ROM for that media type. Inexpensive DVD+RW media can be found. Good luck!

I was thinking of how Shrink does it, where you can take the file and split it up so it fits on more than 1 dvd so you don't have to compress.

If your burner doesn't support booktype bitsetting, you still have an option to get stutter-free video by simply using DVD+RW rewritable media, since burners are not able to reset the booktype to ROM for that media type. Inexpensive DVD+RW media can be found. Good luck!

Not really. Some burners do, and some burners set +RW to ROM by default.

I have a A1 and just recently the A3 player.

I burn footage from my Sony and Panasonic HD cameras using MF6.

The A1 playes them perfectly and I was disappointed that the A3 stuttered when playing them.

Well after just updating the firmware to the latest v1.3 I believe it is the A3 now plays them all without a problem.

Can anyone else confirm this, I don't think I am doing anything different.

sorry, but there is not any way to author a homebrew HD-DVD with AVC or h264...

Are you aware that MPEG-4 AVC is H.264?!

E.g. MPEG-4 is the standard; AVC (H.264) and VC-1 are two variants of the MPEG-4 standard.

MPEG-2 is the 15 year-old ancient (highly inefficient) standard that MPEG-4 is replacing (has replaced).

Are you aware that MPEG-4 AVC is H.264?!

E.g. MPEG-4 is the standard; AVC (H.264) and VC-1 are two variants of the MPEG-4 standard.

MPEG-2 is the 15 year-old ancient (highly inefficient) standard that MPEG-4 is replacing (has replaced).

Dude...calm down...you ask a question, someone answers it, and you yell at them?

Currently, the available tools only allow mpg2 home hddvd authoring. Sorry, it's just the way it is.

I have a A1 and just recently the A3 player.

I burn footage from my Sony and Panasonic HD cameras using MF6.

The A1 playes them perfectly and I was disappointed that the A3 stuttered when playing them.

Well after just updating the firmware to the latest v1.3 I believe it is the A3 now plays them all without a problem.

Can anyone else confirm this, I don't think I am doing anything different.

Stuttering goes away when 'physical disc type' is used when burning DVD+Rs...don't use the DVD-ROM booktype.

Dude...calm down...you ask a question, someone answers it, and you yell at them?

Where was I yelling?!

Not really. Some burners do, and some burners set +RW to ROM by default.

That would be an incredibly stupid and useless burner because ROM is a closed disk, whereas +RW can have data added at any time.

That would be an incredibly stupid and useless burner because ROM is a closed disk, whereas +RW can have data added at any time.

All RW discs can be erased, regardless of the booktype. I have burners from LG and LiteOn and NEC that all can set +RW booktype to ROM. It's really not an issue. AFAIK, LiteOn drives have always done so. Suggest you read up on the topic a bit. "disc type" and "book type" are 2 different things, and are read from the disc in different places. This is unique to +R/RW formats.

All RW discs can be erased, regardless of the booktype. I have burners from LG and LiteOn and NEC that all can set +RW booktype to ROM. It's really not an issue. AFAIK, LiteOn drives have always done so. Suggest you read up on the topic a bit. "disc type" and "book type" are 2 different things, and are read from the disc in different places. This is unique to +R/RW formats.

rdgrimes, the intention is for people without bitsetting capable burners to create HD DVD disks that don't stutter. There is a workaround for them, simply to use the +RW media type. Feel free to prove that it doesn't work.

rdgrimes, the intention is for people without bitsetting capable burners to create HD DVD disks that don't stutter. There is a workaround for them, simply to use the +RW media type. Feel free to prove that it doesn't work.

And where did I state anything different? Wouldn't it be best for people to have correct information in order to do just that, rather than giving them wrong information? Many burners do, in fact, change booktype on +RW. The BEST way to avoid that particular issue would be to use -R/-RW media.

Several posters apparently went off their meds over the holiday weekend. Time for a group hug.

I have a number of NEC drives and 1 Sony-NEC Optiarc 7170 drive and they all allow you to change the book type to physical disk. They all work fine in my A1 and A2 HD-DVD players. They cost less than $30 so this would seem to be the easiest way to solve this problem, just buy a new burner and ge on with making your own HD-DVD's. I get them from www.zipzoomfly.com and www.newegg.com

Mike T

And where did I state anything different? Wouldn't it be best for people to have correct information in order to do just that, rather than giving them wrong information? Many burners do, in fact, change booktype on +RW. The BEST way to avoid that particular issue would be to use -R/-RW media.

The burners that do change booktype on +RW have bitsetting capability. The post is for people who don't have bitsetting burners. Again, feel free to disprove that by posting a model without bitsetting capability that defaults to ROM booktype for +RW media.

-R media by the way, does not completely solve stuttering issues on HD DVD content, it's been tried.

Interesting on the DL +R vs -R. I've been burning to Memorex and Verbatim DL+R and they work fine on my A20, no problems. I let a friend at work try one of the CSI episodes I burned on his A2 and he said at first the Audio and video was just garbage but when he skipped to the next chapter it played fine.

Maybe I should try -R?


On my A2, I couldn't get +R SL media to work properly. DVD-R worked great. Are people getting the DL -R to work properly? That would be pretty nice. At least I can get 1 hour programs on one disc.

One of these days someone will figure out how to take TS MPEG2 files and reencode them into H.264 and then burn them onto DVD -R DL.

Just so I'm up to date, is the best way to do this still:

1) Edit MPEG2 TS capture with VideoReDo
2) Use Ulead DVD movie factory to setup HD-DVD disc structure
3) Burn to disc using Nero 8 w/ UDF 2.5 disc structure

Thanks,
Chris

Chris,
DVD-R media works mostly well except for high bitrate (25 mbps) HDV 60i camcorder footage. The symptom with it on the A2 is about 5 to 15 seconds of brief stutter at the beginning, and mostly going away after that, but sometimes comes and goes. The stutter with the A2 on DVD+R (ROM booktype) is stutter that is virtually unwatchable beginning to end, with no audio or broken audio. For the A2, playback stutter is absent with DVD+R/RW single or dual layer, if the booktype can be set to physical media type (or +R).

On my A2, I couldn't get +R SL media to work properly. DVD-R worked great. Are people getting the DL -R to work properly? That would be pretty nice. At least I can get 1 hour programs on one disc.

One of these days someone will figure out how to take TS MPEG2 files and reencode them into H.264 and then burn them onto DVD -R DL.

Just so I'm up to date, is the best way to do this still:

1) Edit MPEG2 TS capture with VideoReDo
2) Use Ulead DVD movie factory to setup HD-DVD disc structure
3) Burn to disc using Nero 8 w/ UDF 2.5 disc structure

Thanks,
Chris

Chris,
DVD-R media works mostly well except for high bitrate (25 mbps) HDV 60i camcorder footage. The symptom with it on the A2 is about 5 to 15 seconds of brief stutter at the beginning, and mostly going away after that, but sometimes comes and goes. The stutter with the A2 on DVD+R (ROM booktype) is stutter that is virtually unwatchable beginning to end, with no audio or broken audio. For the A2, playback stutter is absent with DVD+R/RW single or dual layer, if the booktype can be set to physical media type (or +R).

Thanks for the reply. I have a utility for my burner called "DVD Bitsetting" and I can look at the DVD Book Type. Is this what I should be looking at? I can change it to DVD-ROM or DVD+R, although it defaults to DVD+R. Is that correct? Do I need to do anything in Nero?

Thanks again,
Chris

Thanks for the reply. I have a utility for my burner called "DVD Bitsetting" and I can look at the DVD Book Type. Is this what I should be looking at? I can change it to DVD-ROM or DVD+R, although it defaults to DVD+R. Is that correct? Do I need to do anything in Nero?

Thanks again,
Chris

In Nero 7, got to Recorder, then Choose Recorder, then Options. You should see a pull-down menu for Book Type. It defaults to DVD-ROM, but should be set at Physical Disc Type for HD DVD.

Also in your checklist in the previous post you asked about the UDF setting. Xbox Compatible is the one most of us use, though UDF 2.5 will also work.

In Nero 7, got to Recorder, then Choose Recorder, then Options. You should see a pull-down menu for Book Type. It defaults to DVD-ROM, but should be set at Physical Disc Type for HD DVD.

Also in your checklist in the previous post you asked about the UDF setting. Xbox Compatible is the one most of us use, though UDF 2.5 will also work.


^+1

Thanks for the replies... Unfortunately, I'm on Nero 8 and when I go to options, the book type settings are not available. I put in a disc and the disc info (when blank) says the book type is "DVD+R" which is what I would want, correct?

Chris

I don't have Nero 8, just 7.85 and I could not find the bitsetting options either. I would set the booktype with the Plextor utility software included with the burner, but...Nero would change it to DVD-ROM anyway. I haven't found a way to prevent that. There is a burn log in Nero, and listed right there in the steps is "change booktype to DVD-ROM."

So for me, the workaround is to let Ulead MF6+ do the burn. It doesn't change the booktype set by the Plextor firmware.

I will look closer inside Nero, perhaps I missed the option for booktype. I just remember when I was looking for it, I couldn't find it, but the burn log definitely indicated that Nero had changed it to DVD-ROM.


Thanks for the replies... Unfortunately, I'm on Nero 8 and when I go to options, the book type settings are not available. I put in a disc and the disc info (when blank) says the book type is "DVD+R" which is what I would want, correct?


Chris

On my A2, I couldn't get +R SL media to work properly. DVD-R worked great. Are people getting the DL -R to work properly? That would be pretty nice. At least I can get 1 hour programs on one disc.

Just so I'm up to date, is the best way to do this still:

1) Edit MPEG2 TS capture with VideoReDo
2) Use Ulead DVD movie factory to setup HD-DVD disc structure
3) Burn to disc using Nero 8 w/ UDF 2.5 disc structure

Thanks,
Chris

For those of you who have both formats, like myself, or on the fence on which format to go with, you now can make Blu Ray BDMV disc of mpeg2 ts files with Ulead MovieFactory 6 with plugin and Nero 7 or 8 on DVD-+R/DL. More discussion located here http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/

Steve

You can also make AVCHD discs on SL/DL DVD media with AVC/H.264 captures. Plays nicely on my PS3 w/5.1 audio. I haven't found a satisfactory way to cut, let alone do a full edit, of H.264 TS files. MPEG2 is much easier.

Two quick points on the posts above. 1) I can not get my PS3 to play back 1080i MPEG TS files. They don't play at all, play with choppy video and no sound or play with weird artifacts and then lockup my system. hence, I have given up on the PS3. Plus, if I can get DVD DL to work on my A2, I have an equal solution that works with these files. (Yes, the same files the PS3 throws up on works fine on my A2.)

At this point, I'm personally most interested in a way to take TS Mpeg2 files and reencode them to either VC1 or H.264 and then use them on my A2. that would be the ultimate solution, although apparently that's not possible yet.

The PS3 won't play TS files. They need to be MPG or M2TS.

The PS3 won't play TS files. They need to be MPG or M2TS.

Yea, I know - this is after I used TSremux to turn them into M2TS files.

Thanks,
Chris

At this point, I'm personally most interested in a way to take TS Mpeg2 files and reencode them to either VC1 or H.264 and then use them on my A2. that would be the ultimate solution, although apparently that's not possible yet.

Why do you want/need to re-encode them? That's only gonna degrade the video quality potentially.

I personally love having a nice untouched MPEG2 transport stream that I can make a homemade HD-DVD out of. Works great. The *only* downside I see is that you may have to swap discs, depending on the size of the movie. No biggie, IMHO.

Chris

I thought the PS3 will play m2t if the firmware is updated? No? TSRemux -> m2ts was a problem with the audio for me, basically no audio from HDV footage. By now, I'm sure I don't have the latest version of TSRemux, the author was coming out with so many updates, credit him for that.

I don't have Nero 8, just 7.85 and I could not find the bitsetting options either. I would set the booktype with the Plextor utility software included with the burner, but...Nero would change it to DVD-ROM anyway. I haven't found a way to prevent that. There is a burn log in Nero, and listed right there in the steps is "change booktype to DVD-ROM."

So for me, the workaround is to let Ulead MF6+ do the burn. It doesn't change the booktype set by the Plextor firmware.

I will look closer inside Nero, perhaps I missed the option for booktype. I just remember when I was looking for it, I couldn't find it, but the burn log definitely indicated that Nero had changed it to DVD-ROM.

OK - I played around more last night and figured out that NERO 8 *will* show you the option - if you have a drive that supports it. I installed Nero on my desktop machine which I know has book type support. I went into recorder options and I could set book type to the physical option. I then burned a movie on a DVD+R and BOOM - it worked on my A2! Today I am going to get some DVD+R DL and if those work, I'm going to be a very, very happy man.

On a side note, MF6 is doing something weird and I can't figure it out. My mpg file is 2.08 gigs. I load it in, go to make the folders and it says I need 2.13 gigs. Sounds good. Then it creates the folders, but there's only 1.38 gigs in it and 12 out of 20 minutes on the disc. I'm going to try another video, but I swear this was working OK yesterday.

Thanks,
Chris

I installed Nero on my desktop machine which I know has book type support. I went into recorder options and I could set book type to the physical option. I then burned a movie on a DVD+R and BOOM - it worked on my A2! Today I am going to get some DVD+R DL and if those work, I'm going to be a very, very happy man.


Yep!

Good work!

ARGH... well, I burnt a DVD+R DL this morning and the book type is DVD+R DL. I put it in my A2 and it starts playing no problem. However, about the hour 2 minute mark, it starts to stutter and then I get an error message that it can't read the disc. My guess is this is when it goes for a layer change.

Is this a common problem? I burned at 4x and I'm using Sony DVD+R DL media. Any tips? Does DVD-R DL media work better? They are basically the same price.

Thanks,
Chris

ARGH... well, I burnt a DVD+R DL this morning and the book type is DVD+R DL. I put it in my A2 and it starts playing no problem. However, about the hour 2 minute mark, it starts to stutter and then I get an error message that it can't read the disc. My guess is this is when it goes for a layer change.

Is this a common problem? I burned at 4x and I'm using Sony DVD+R DL media. Any tips? Does DVD-R DL media work better? They are basically the same price.

Thanks,
Chris
Use only Verbatim DL media, and "made in Singapore" if you can find it. The Sony discs can be several different things. There really aren't any reliable alternatives to the Verbatim.

Use only Verbatim DL media, and "made in Singapore" if you can find it. The Sony discs can be several different things. There really aren't any reliable alternatives to the Verbatim.

Do you have a particular place you use? I was just going to order from Newegg.

Do you have a particular place you use? I was just going to order from Newegg.
Verbatim has been out-sourcing a lot, which complicates things. The made in India stuff is not very good. If you stay with the 2.4x rated media, it's sure to be Singapore, although some of the 8x is too. Of course, you can't tell that online. Rima.com is another good place. Even the Sony can be Verbatim-made, if it's Singapore.

I can tell you that my A3 plays the Verbatim DL stuff very well with SD content.

Guys,

to those who convert highdef captured in format .ts (transport stream) into HD-DVD, I have a question:

Wich software you think is the best and fastest to convert (smart convert no quality loss) from .ts to .mpeg (ready for UMF 6+)?

I've been using Videredo for a long time but I updated it recently and it seems to be slower now and sometimes UMF6+ takes ages to load the mpeg file...

Newegg has Verbatim 2.4X DL on sale, 20 for $26.99 after rebate with free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130008

Guys,

to those who convert highdef captured in format .ts (transport stream) into HD-DVD, I have a question:

Wich software you think is the best and fastest to convert (smart convert no quality loss) from .ts to .mpeg (ready for UMF 6+)?

I've been using Videredo for a long time but I updated it recently and it seems to be slower now and sometimes UMF6+ takes ages to load the mpeg file...

I've been using videoredo as well and noticed this last night. It must have taken 2 hours to get the video in.

Newegg has Verbatim 2.4X DL on sale, 20 for $26.99 after rebate with free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130008

Thanks for the link. Has anyone here successfully gotten DVD+R DL to work consistently on an A2?

Chris

I use: VideoRedo TV Suite (current update version) to create the HD Mpeg file, Ulead Movie Factory 5.3xx to author the disk image, Nero Burning ROM 7 to burn, SAMSUNG SH-S203B DVD Burner, play on Toshiba HD-A2.

Always had stutter problems with Verbatim DVD+R discs until setting the booktype to "Physical Disc". Last night I burned a 7GB 1080i movie to a Verbatim 8.5 GB DVD+R DL (locked the burn @ 2.4X) and it ran perfectly on my HD-A2. It's the first time I didn't have any stutter problems with 1080i content on a +R disc.
The only thing I did differently from my past attempts was to set the booktype to "Physical Disc". :D

Thanks for the link. Has anyone here successfully gotten DVD+R DL to work consistently on an A2?

Chris

Yes, no problems so far all good but ditto what has been said on the Verbatim DL. I also have not personally had any issues with 8x rated Verbatim burned at 6x (speed limit of my Plextor). I don't know where my Verbatims are made though.

Update:

My Verbatim 8x DVD+R DL are made in Singapore. Anyway...no problem with them for me. Good luck!

To answer the other question about converting TS, I prefer Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD to VideoRedo which I also have. My VideoRedo works fine, however it is not the latest version. There's no difference in speed per se, and neither program is re-encoding, so both are fast. I prefer the Womble because it's a better editor, and about the same price as I recall. No problems with waiting for Ulead 6+ to load the files with either. Womble has a 30 day free trial that's 100% functional, non crippled. And if you use the DVD version of Womble MPEG Video Wizard, it includes an AC3 encoder to convert your HDV 2 channel camcorder audio into DD 5.1, and it sounds terrific. It's a good bargain for what it does.

I use: VideoRedo TV Suite (current update version) to create the HD Mpeg file, Ulead Movie Factory 5.3xx to author the disk image, Nero Burning ROM 7 to burn, SAMSUNG SH-S203B DVD Burner, play on Toshiba HD-A2.

Always had stutter problems with Verbatim DVD+R discs until setting the booktype to "Physical Disc". Last night I burned a 7GB 1080i movie to a Verbatim 8.5 GB DVD+R DL (locked the burn @ 2.4X) and it ran perfectly on my HD-A2. It's the first time I didn't have any stutter problems with 1080i content on a +R disc.
The only thing I did differently from my past attempts was to set the booktype to "Physical Disc". :D

Excellent!

As a follow up, I have been able to successfully burn two DVD+R DL discs and have them work in my A2. I first tried Monsters Inc which I recorded off ABC years ago (720p). I burned the disc at 2.4x (instead of 4x) and was able to fast forward through th entire movie without any problems at all. (I also stopped it in random places to make sure there wasn't any choppiness. I then tried Time Cop which I grabbed off Universal HD, which is 1080i. Same methodology and once again I could FF through the entire 6.9gig movie without problems.

So, my conclusion is either I had a bad burn or bad TS file for the first disc. I'm going to try another DL 1080i file, but it that works, I think I am in business.

I really, really hope one day to be able to encode these as either H.264 or VC-1. I know a previous poster liked being able to use the original files, but honestly, getting up to change a disc is a big deal to my wife and I. I think with either codec, you could get basically 'transparent' encoding going from a 15gig Mpeg2 file to a 8.5gig H.264/VC-1 file. Now we just need the tools to do it.

Thanks,
Chris

Quick question...
I have burned several DVD-Rs and they work great on my A2 and XA2. Lastnight I tried a DVD+R DL, but it studders. Whould I have better luck with DVD-R DLs? Or is this just because of that booktype setting (which I can not change on my burner)?

Quick question...
I have burned several DVD-Rs and they work great on my A2 and XA2. Lastnight I tried a DVD+R DL, but it studders. Whould I have better luck with DVD-R DLs? Or is this just because of that booktype setting (which I can not change on my burner)?
What burner? Do the burned discs show up as ROM book type?

What burner? Do the burned discs show up as ROM book type?

LG GSA-H20L
OEM:Hitachi-LG
Chipset:Panasonic

Where do I look to tell what the burned discs show up as?

LG GSA-H20L
OEM:Hitachi-LG
Chipset:Panasonic

Where do I look to tell what the burned discs show up as?

That drive is probably setting DL to ROM by default. You can check the burned disc under disc properties in Nero, or most burning programs. Or, download CDSpeed (free) and use it to check disc info. Either will show the physical disc type and book type. If you're using Nero with that drive, try putting a blank DL disc in the drive before checking for the book type setting in "choose recorder".

That drive is probably setting DL to ROM by default. You can check the burned disc under disc properties in Nero, or most burning programs. Or, download CDSpeed (free) and use it to check disc info. Either will show the physical disc type and book type. If you're using Nero with that drive, try putting a blank DL disc in the drive before checking for the book type setting in "choose recorder".

I select Recorder...Choose Recorder. The click on option at the bottom of the window that comes up. All it has there is Buffer Underrun protection and DVD high compatiblility mode.

I do not have a blank DL disk in the drive though (I am not at that PC right now).

I select Recorder...Choose Recorder. The click on option at the bottom of the window that comes up. All it has there is Buffer Underrun protection and DVD high compatiblility mode.

I do not have a blank DL disk in the drive though (I am not at that PC right now).

When you put in the disc, it will tell you what the Book type is. I was going to follow up my previous post that I didn't have as much success as I hoped. I watched a 1080i recording this morning and had trouble with the layer change. if I FF through it, I was fine, but otherwise my A2 had problems. :(

I select Recorder...Choose Recorder. The click on option at the bottom of the window that comes up. All it has there is Buffer Underrun protection and DVD high compatiblility mode.

I do not have a blank DL disk in the drive though (I am not at that PC right now).

The GSA-H20L is a very good burner. Best info I can find is that it does set DL media to ROM by default, but I'm not able to find out if you can change that. I have several LG burners that do allow you to change that in Nero, but usually not on DL discs, only on +R and +RW. You may be out of luck with that drive, but it's still a VERY good burner.

Trying -R DL is an option, but it is expensive and compatibility is poor. If you can find a 3-pack, might be worth a shot.

So what length videos are people fitting to discs? Can you fit a 720p video on a DVD-R? What about a DL disc? If you limit the bitrate can you fit an hour on to a disc?

From OTA recordings I get about 40 minutes per layer. For cable HD (HD lite?) you can get an hour or more, depending on how poor the bitrate may be.

Everdog,

It depends on the data rate of your local stations. With my local PBS station, with their new encoder and sub channels, I can now get over a hour on one regular DVD, but I don't think I can get a full hour when the TV show came from FOX or ABC. If it's a one hour program, after you edit out the commercials they may fit.

Another advance question :D

I'm trying to make some shorfilms shot by myself in High definition and my intention is to distribute them free in downloadable ISO's. Well, now I have all the process perfectly clear, but...

I would like to create an ISO file from the HD-DVD folder created by ULMF6+ and tell the people to burn it with imgburn. So, do you think is there any way to create the ISO with perfect "presets" (like the right booktype) so the people don't have to do anything but burning?

When you put in the disc, it will tell you what the Book type is. I was going to follow up my previous post that I didn't have as much success as I hoped. I watched a 1080i recording this morning and had trouble with the layer change. if I FF through it, I was fine, but otherwise my A2 had problems. :(

I think you may have moved beyond the booktype issue to one that is caused by the player itself. I will agree that any HD DVD disk will potentially stutter or lose audio if I jump around it with too many FF/FR or chapter skip operations on my A2, and also my A1.

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I'm trying to make some shorfilms shot by myself in High definition and my intention is to distribute them free in downloadable ISO's. Well, now I have all the process perfectly clear, but...

I would like to create an ISO file from the HD-DVD folder created by ULMF6+ and tell the people to burn it with imgburn. So, do you think is there any way to create the ISO with perfect "presets" (like the right booktype) so the people don't have to do anything but burning?


I don't *think* so. The reason I say that, is that I have burned lots of home brewed HD DVD disks on DVD+R media with booktype set to ROM, that play great on my A1, but stutter on the A2. To fix that, I make an image copy, and then reburn the image copy to another +R disk after setting the booktype to the physical media type using the burner firmware.

I have Nero yes, but I've been using MF6+ to reburn the image. MF6+ defaults to an image filetype *.ixb instead of *.iso. I don't know if that matters.

I select Recorder...Choose Recorder. The click on option at the bottom of the window that comes up. All it has there is Buffer Underrun protection and DVD high compatiblility mode.


Can I set the book type with Nero and the use MF6 to burn discs?

The good nes is I put a slightly older Samsung burner in to my PC and now the option to change book type appears!

So do I have to use Nero, or is there a way to set the disc and just use Movie Factory? Movie Factory is just really easy.

I don't *think* so. The reason I say that, is that I have burned lots of home brewed HD DVD disks on DVD+R media with booktype set to ROM, that play great on my A1, but stutter on the A2. To fix that, I make an image copy, and then reburn the image copy to another +R disk after setting the booktype to the physical media type using the burner firmware.

I have Nero yes, but I've been using MF6+ to reburn the image. MF6+ defaults to an image filetype *.ixb instead of *.iso. I don't know if that matters.

Thanks Tom, your answers, I will investigate more about creating fully compatible ISO's (if possible)...

And I have same scenario like you, my A1 played everthing fine no matter what booktype the disc had (2.0 firmware only), but my friends with the E1 told me heyyy, your hd-dvd are crap, they stutter!
I finally bought a second generation HD-DVD and I have to copy again my discs, but at least I know the will play perfectly in every Toshiba HD-DVD.

Ah, and I forgot, one more question:

when the video is too long and we use more than one DVD-R (or +DL) is there anyway to tell to UMF6+ that when the video ends, just stop and not restart? I know that if we create a menu you can select go back to menu but when there is no menu it always at the end of the disc restarts the movie. Any trick for that?

Best!

Hi everyone. First, I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to this forum and especially this thread. I have learned a tremendous amount from you all.

However, I have two issues with creating discs that play on my A3 with content from my Sony HC3 HDV camera.

1. stuttering at the beginning of playback - usually around the 15 second mark. This goes away if I simply hit skip backwards to the beginning or pause and then play really quick. this only happens when disc initially starts playing and does not happen when it loops back around from the end of the disc.

2. there is always stuttering between the 11:15 - 12:45 marks. If I simply hit pause, and then play, I'm usually good for another 12 seconds or so before it starts to stutter again. Most of the time, I can let the player fight through this time period, and then by the 13:00 mark, it will play flawlessly through the end, loop back around all the way until we get to about 11:15 again and it will start stuttering again. What is so special about this 11:15 - 12:45 period?

I have tried numerous different workflows, media (-R, +R with "physical disc type" book setting), software, and 3 different burners!
Here is my basic workflow:

1) take HDV video that was edited in Vegas and render as one large m2t file that is ready for Print to HDV tape.

2) in Vegas, I went back and rendered the audio to a separate AC3 audio track based on texmex's suggestion in the thread earlier somewhere.

3) use Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD to demux the large Vegas m2t file into mpv and mpa streams.

4) in Womble, start a new project that has the mpv and mpa streams, delete the mpa stream, and insert the ac3 audio file from Vegas in its place.

5) use Womble to mux the mpv & ac3 files together as a MPEG2 Program Stream for Ulead MF6+. (I have also skipped the AC3 part and created Program Streams from VideoReDo Plus, but the final disc behaves no differently)

6) create a new standard HD-DVD in Ulead MF6, adding the MPEG2 Program Stream file created by Womble or VideoReDo and saying "yes" to the SmartRender question. Ulead accepts the files no problem, and does not re-render anything.

7) output to Verbatim DVD-Rs within MF6, or create HVDVD_TS folders and burn with Nero 7 & UDF/Xbox mode, or create an ISO image and burn with ImgBurn. I've tried slowing the burn down to 4x on all 3 burn methods, and it doesn't make a difference. I also have three different burners (Plextor 716A, LG GSA-HS42N, Sony/NEC Optiarc 7191A) - all three output discs that behave identically.

I've made quite a nice size stack of coasters over the last 4 or 5 days toying with this, and I have made progress down to only two issues, but I can't get past these two issues....I'm starting to wonder if its my A3. I haven't tried these discs on any other players, but I will try and take one up to Best Buy and see how it performs on their display.

Has anyone been able to successfully burn 20 minutes of HDV (25 Mbps CBR only) footage on a DVD-R and have it play back flawlessly on an A3 player? Can someone spot an error in my workflow or see something I left out?

Thanks guys.

Well Verbatim usually has some very good media made for them but you might want to try some different brands has maybe the mid of that media now your burners just don't like well enough to make a disk the a3 will play. You do have some pretty good burner there so my bet is media or something else stuffing the burns for you. Does the A3 have any firmware updates out yet that might help?
That would be the other thing to check out. Many here had issues with the A2 but after a few updates and setting media to physical book type most, including me, can now play our disks.