Anyone come across this and listened to it yet?

How does it compare with the DSOTM DVD-A?

I was not aware of this, but found it here on a google search

http://www.torrentz.com/torrent_826664.html

Where did this come from? Any info on who did it? I've been begging the gods for a MC remaster of "Animals", but this'll do, as long as its legal. ????

Thanks guys for the heads up. Currently downlading, probably will take a couple of days until completion. Keeping my fingers crossed that it's at least as good as DSOTM.

Interesting.

I wonder if it's truly "DVD-A quality", or was it simply made at a lower quality using the DVD-A format?

I've seen it reported that it was done by the same individual that did the dsotm dvd-a. I consider dsotm dvd-a quality.

I've seen it reported that it was done by the same individual that did the dsotm dvd-a. I consider dsotm dvd-a quality.

That is what it says:

"made by the same guy who done <sic> the dsotm half inch parsons dvd-a".

I was just hoping there was someone here who had actually heard it, and could provide some more detail.

I consider the DSOTM one to be "DVD-A quality", as well (sorry, didn't mean to imply otherwise). Just wasn't sure if this was the "real deal" or some amateur attemp at copycatting what was done with the DSOTM DVD-A.

I'll download it over the next several evenings.

Cool. I've been waiting for "Animals", too, but this will do (I have both on CD).

At less than 2 gbs, isn't the file size a bit small...? How big was the DSOTM DVD-A?

At less than 2 gbs, isn't the file size a bit small...? How big was the DSOTM DVD-A?

You are looking at a different WYWH than the one I am referring to.

The image I am talking about is 3.6GB.

DSOTM was over 3 gb's, so less than 2 is very small.

Looks like the server is down...

If we're all looking at a < 2 GB file and it's not the same one as the one Benefactor was looking at, where is the 3.6 GB one?

I was not aware of this, but found it here on a google search

http://www.torrentz.com/torrent_826664.html

Where did this come from? Any info on who did it? I've been begging the gods for a MC remaster of "Animals", but this'll do, as long as its legal. ????

While the downloadable DVD-A version of WYYH might have a number of qualities, I think legal is probably not one of them :)

Just to make sure, there is no current "official" WYWH DVD-A right?

Looks like it is available here, too

http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-details.php?id=54287

Just to make sure, there is no current "official" WYWH DVD-A right?

Right.

The file size looks to be about right. This is DVD-Audio image only, no Dolby Digital or DTS, so it should be smaller than DSOTM.

The file size looks to be about right. This is DVD-Audio image only, no Dolby Digital or DTS, so it should be smaller than DSOTM.

So we are all on the same page - this one is a 3.6GB file. It is listed as DVD-A/MLP/DD/DTS.

No, both links are for a 1.8 GB MLP DVDA image only

How about this link for Animals dvda?

http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-details.php?id=54491

Uploaded by the same guy that uploaded WYWH. 1.64GB (close to WYWH)

If you guys want to exchange torrent links it would be better to do it via PM or this thread will get closed. Discussing the contents of the downloads is fine, but you are linking to sites offering 'illegal' material and this will cause problems for AVS.

Regarding the 1.87 GB dvd-a ISO's

Dolby tracks dont take up much space, not nearly enough to account for half the size of the image (compared to dsotm dvda)

If you read that comment closely from the link (to a wywh 1.87 torrent) above it says

"Sourced from the cd remaster. Shine on, Syd. 1. Shine On You Crazy Diamond pt1/ Welcome to the Machine 2. Have a Cigar 3. Wish You Were Here/ Shine On You Crazy Diamond pt2"

CD remaster probably meaning it came from the DTS version??

I am betting that it's just a decoded DTS version reencoded to 44.1/24 MLP since it'd be pointless to upsample to 96/24.. it'd also explain the roughly halved size. If so it'll be close to exact in quality to the DTS version and not worth the effort to dl IMO..

I dont know about the 3.x GB version as mentioned in the thread though, havent seen it.

EDIT: removed links

I didn't mean to cause any problems, I was just trying to throw some information out there, and maybe get some feedback in return.

Sorry.

I'm unaware of any Pink Floyd CDs being officially released in the DTS CD format, so maybe someone converted them from the Quad Vinyl. Still worth checking out though.

What's the deal? Did Waters go mad and release some tape on the net? I would love some higher definition verisons of Floyd albums besides Dark Side of the Moon. Ummagumma to start...

So we are all on the same page - this one is a 3.6GB file. It is listed as DVD-A/MLP/DD/DTS.
No, we are NOT on the same page. The torrent for WYWH is NOT for a 3.6GB file. Whoever made these 2 dics available says clearly that they are NOT hybrid/universal DVD-As (they do not contain DD/DTS tracks), and only playable on DVD-A players.

So please provide us with the torrent link for the 3.6GB WYWH download you speak of.

I am betting that it's just a decoded DTS version reencoded to 44.1/24 MLP since it'd be pointless to upsample to 96/24.. it'd also explain the roughly halved size. If so it'll be close to exact in quality to the DTS version and not worth the effort to dl IMO..

Yeah, that's what I was worried about.

I'm still not convinced the file size is unusual. According to DVDShrink, the DVD-Video part of the DSOTM DVDA is 1.8 GB which leaves another 1.6 GB for the MLP portion, which is comparable to these downloads.

Now it still may be an DTS rip of another source that has been upsampled to MLP, but I don't believe the smaller file size indicates anything.

Just to make sure, there is no current "official" WYWH DVD-A right?


That is correct and means this one was not copied from an official "Wish You Were Here" DVD-A. Of course that only means this version is a bootleg. It is reputedly a very good bootleg.

Chris

I'm still not convinced the file size is unusual. According to DVDShrink, the DVD-Video part of the DSOTM DVDA is 1.8 GB which leaves another 1.6 GB for the MLP portion, which is comparable to these downloads.

Now it still may be an DTS rip of another source that has been upsampled to MLP, but I don't believe the smaller file size indicates anything.

It looks like you are right. The audio_ts is around 1.6 GB on dsotm dvda, dolby is 140mb and dts is 472mb. Video is 632mb but there's 2 copies in there for some reason.

Sourced from the CD remaster
If this is the case, I might as well hear my CD copy in Dolby ProLogic II Music mode...

That is correct and means this one was not copied from an official "Wish You Were Here" DVD-A. Of course that only means this version is a bootleg. It is reputedly a very good bootleg.

Chris
Hi Chris,

I'm curious which one are you referring to, the 3.6GB one (which I can't find) or the 1.8GB?

Just burnt WYWH and it is indeed 5.1 channel 96/24 pure DVD-A, and there are no DTS or DD tracks. After having listened to the first two songs, I don't believe this is the same source as the DSOTM DVD-A. There's a graininess to it and a strained quality that doesn't exist on DSOTM DVD-A. The channel separation also doesn't really compare. It seems highly likely this is a well-done upsample from the DTS or Quad recordings.

On the positive side, it's VERY well-done. Not an essential selection like the DSOTM DVD-A, but a nice addition to a music library. Although I don't own WYWH on CD, it sounds as good as any other CD, with the benefit of discrete surround.

Just burnt WYWH and it is indeed 5.1 channel 96/24 pure DVD-A, .......................... It seems highly likely this is a well-done upsample from the DTS or Quad recordings.

If it's "upsampled" from one of those the other sources, then it's really not 96/24; it's only recorded that way. You can't really make it sound better than the original. A lossy DTS recording re-recorded at 96/24 will still be lossy.

I wish someone connected to this release would post here with some info as in the DSOTM thread.

Just burnt WYWH and it is indeed 5.1 channel 96/24 pure DVD-A, and there are no DTS or DD tracks...

Again, I don't think we are talking about the same thing, as the one I'm referring to lists DTS, DD, and also MLP, along with a menu to choose between the different audio sources. From what I can see, nobody has completed the DL yet.

If and when I ever get a chance to listen to this, I will post my impressions here.

Cheers.

Benefactor - PM Sent requesting link to the version of WYWH that you are talking about

I have listened to WYWH and it sounds good. Just not as good as DSOTM. Not as dynamic, and not as much separation.

Benefactor - PM Sent requesting link to the version of WYWH that you are talking about
Me too, PM sent yesterday.

Just finished listening to both WYWH and Animals. Definitely the real thing, MLP encoded 96/24 dvd-audio. First thing that I noticed was that they do not have a LFE channel, only 5.0. Like other people already said, they're both pretty good, not as good as DSOTM, but still holding their own. I tend to like WYWH better for some reason. I guess that the first time, the "author" took the liberty to add the .1 channel to the original 4.0 mix, while this time he took the liberty to add the center channel, leaving the LFE out. That is probably the reason why the sound is not as dynamic as DSOTM was. One thing's for sure though: they surely do not sound like upsampled D PL II to me. The channel separation is very good.

Overall pretty pleased. Whoever did this, keep'em coming. I would gladly pay $20 or whatever if these were officially released, so I do not feel any remorse for downlaoding them this way. It's a pitty that studios do not bother to release the original mixes in HiRez.

I've just listened to this as well, the 3.6 gb one. It's also very well done, not as aggressive as dsotm, but probably that way because the music doesn't lend itself to as much surround as dsotm. I'm not hearing any center channel, only 4.0. I'm getting bass out of the sub, but that may just be because of the bass management settings I have on my computer speakers. It didn't blow me away like dsotm did, but is very well done. I'd rate dsotm 9.25 out of 10, and on first listen give this a 8.5 out of 10.

Now I'm confused. I have also found the 3.6 GB one, and it's currently downloading. Can anybody confirm that the only difference between the 1.8 and the 3.6 ones is the DD/DTS track?

I have listened to WYWH and it sounds good. Just not as good as DSOTM. Not as dynamic, and not as much separation.

The description of the 3.6G versions says made from a mint quad pressing. Does that mean somebody played the vinyl quad version and converted that? That would perhaps explain why it's not as dynamic as DSOTM which appeared to come from a 4 channel tape master.

Just wanted to chime back in after actually having a chance to give this a spin.

I would rate WYWH as the "real deal" after a first listen.

I'd agree that the overall texture isn't as "thick" and "aggressive" as the DSOTM DVD-A, but the MLP track sounds superior to any incarnation of WYWH I've ever heard.

There are also DD and DTS tracks included, although I haven't listened to those yet.

I'd say this absolutely essential for anyone who found the DSOTM DVD-A worthwhile.

Cheers.

Now I'm confused. I have also found the 3.6 GB one, and it's currently downloading. Can anybody confirm that the only difference between the 1.8 and the 3.6 ones is the DD/DTS track?

I wouldn't mind knowing also. I just completed download the smaller version and WINDVD7 says the title is:


Stream:
Type: Packed PCM
Bitrate: 11520 Kbps
Number of main channels: 5
LFE Channel: None
Sampling Frequency: 96khz
Bits Per Sample: 24


It sounds excellent but as somebody else notes, not quite as good as DSOTM. Since this took me over a day to get, I am reluctant to try for the 3.6G vesrsion if it onl contains additional DD and DTS tracks but the MLP tracks are the same.

I want to know why it's "5.0", exactly, if it's supposed to be from a quad mix.

The surround channels sound more like the DSOTM sacd to me; providing mostly ambience.

The surround channels sound more like the DSOTM sacd to me; providing mostly ambience.

EXACTLY my thoughts as I listened to it.

I want to know why it's "5.0", exactly, if it's supposed to be from a quad mix.

The surround channels sound more like the DSOTM sacd to me; providing mostly ambience.

Good, I hate it when the surround channels are used to put you in the middle of all the musicians instead of in front of them.

I prefer the "immersive" surround myself. If I wanted ambiance I would just use something like Dolby Prologic II or something.

FWIW, I think it sounds significantly better than the "remastered" CD I purchased commercially not too long ago.

The DSOTM DVD-A is in a class by itself (so far).

Cheers.

Requesting link. Someone PM? I spent weeks d/l DSOTM,
wouldn't want to miss this.
Thanks,
boondocks

I downloaded the 1.6G version which turned out to be an iso image. Burnt that and ended with a DVD-A. Sound quality is pretty good but I guess I don't know if it's any different from the 3.6G version and I am not going to embark a week long download for something that is the same as I have already!

Just finished listening to WYWH and Animals, I love them both! Not as intensely done as DSOTM, and I do wish there were a .1 channel, but extremely enjoyable, refreshing listening.

I would add though, that they do not sound like they were done by the same person. WYWH sounds much closer to the original, and the surround treatment was done more seamlessly than with Animals. I did not like, at all, the echo on the first track of Animals, and some of the sounds that I am used to hearing on that disc are gone - I'm used to having MC discs add sounds if anything, not remove them. The Animals re-do sounds more contrived, but its still Animals after all.

I thaught the Animals one sounded like crap compared to the DSOTM DVDA. This is not a quad recording IMO. It sounds like it was upsamled/upmixed. Nothing better than the remastered cd and Dolby prologic 2. Eric

The size differences on the two WYWH DVDA discs lead me to believe they are different recordings. The one is 1.8 gigs in full (the one without the DTS and DD). The other disc has an AUDIO_TS folder size of 1.3 gigs and a VIDEO_TS folder size of 2.29 gigs. Eric

Interesting.

I have a DTS conversion of a quad 4.0 transfer of WYWH which is wonderful, except that “Welcome to the Machine” shakes my SVS to the point of it being not listenable.

I tried the1.8 GB download version noted here, and it’s not as good (as in not discrete in the surrounds by any means), but now I have all the songs. :rolleyes:

I have come to the conclusion that the two discs mentioned here are different! Like the last poster said, the "1.8 gig no dts or DD" DVDA disc does not have discrete sourrounds (like the Animals is probally a upmix/upsample). The 3.6 gig version with menu for DTS and DD sounds much better. Discrete surrounds. Not great bass though. I have a Dolby version that sounds a tad better...Eric

If you folks are listening to the same DVD-A of WYWH (with MLP) as I have, then I can tell you that it's a direct transfer from quad vinyl.

That's why it doesn't sound as good as DSOTM from the quad master tape.

Anyone who could PM me the link to the 3.6 version of WYWH as well as the best (if there are more than one) version of Animals would be forever in my debt.

THanks

Just had a chance to listen to both versions of WYWH. I will refer to the 1.8GB version as V1, and to the 3.6 version as V2.
Like I said before, V1 is a 96/24/5.0 MLP mix. V2 is a 96/24/4.0 MLP mix. While V2 might appeal to folks without the ability to playback MLP tracks, I found V1 much much better sounding. To my ears, V2 sounded mutted, and lacked a lot of low end compared to V1. I will have to assume that both versions come from different sources, V1 is much closer in quality to DSOTM dvda. One other major difference between the two is the fact that in V1, there are only three tracks:
Track 1:Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Part One)+Welcome To The Machine
Track 2: Have a Cigar
Track 3: Wish You Were Here+Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Part Two)

V2 has 5 separate tracks for each song.

I am kinda bummed I wasted the time to download the 3.6GB version, and I will give the dvd away to a friend of mine who can only play DD and DTS.

I would just like to add that if you want to do something really strange, listen to WYWH on the HT with the HD broadcast of "Clockwork Orange" showing on the plasma. Truly weird, but kinda worked in a strange way.

Not good thing at all to have the wife show up with that combo going. Now she really wonders about me.

If you folks are listening to the same DVD-A of WYWH (with MLP) as I have, then I can tell you that it's a direct transfer from quad vinyl.

That's why it doesn't sound as good as DSOTM from the quad master tape.

Which version are you listening to? As Tudor notes, V1 is a 5.0 version with 96/24 sound (which is what I have and what WinDVD7 says the audio format is) while V2 (the larger one) is 4.0 96/24. I am guessing that if one version is a conversion from the quad vinyl then it could only really produce a 4.0 96/24 version unless they created a 5th channel somehow?

Which version are you listening to? As Tudor notes, V1 is a 5.0 version with 96/24 sound (which is what I have and what WinDVD7 says the audio format is) while V2 (the larger one) is 4.0 96/24. I am guessing that if one version is a conversion from the quad vinyl then it could only really produce a 4.0 96/24 version unless they created a 5th channel somehow?

The larger file is sourced from quad vinyl (MLP/DTS/DD).

The smaller file is sourced directly from the remastered CD (MLP).

The smaller file is sourced directly from the remastered CD (MLP).

Does this mean it is just a DPLII version then. Also how do you know for sure this is where it comes from.

Please excuse the noob question.
I previously downloaded the DSOTM DVD-A and got an iso image.
I downloaded the 3.6g of WYWH and got mds & mdf files.
I doubt these are MS SQL files.
What type of software do I need to decrypt\burn these files.
Thanks.

how do you know for sure this is where it comes from.

I was just quoting back the text that accompanies the WYWH torrent files that are being discussed in this thread.

Please excuse the noob question.
I previously downloaded the DSOTM DVD-A and got an iso image.
I downloaded the 3.6g of WYWH and got mds & mdf files.
I doubt these are MS SQL files.
What type of software do I need to decrypt\burn these files.
Thanks.

I downloaded a trial version of Alcohol 120% and burned it without problem. ( thanks to Benefactor for the info.) good luck!

The 3.6gb version of WYWH has VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS files dated August 2005, so this predates the DSOTM project (files dated December 2005).

I previously downloaded the DSOTM DVD-A and got an iso image.
I downloaded the 3.6g of WYWH and got mds & mdf files.
For Mac folks, a Google search reveals a quick workaround for these types of files - replacing the extension by typing .ISO and then copying the contents to another blank folder after the image mounts.

So is there a consensus of which version is the best? I have the 3.6gb version with the mds and mdf file extensions and it sounds rather flat. I'm downloading the smaller, 1.8gb(?) version now. Is there another one out there??

Hey Flexx,
Just because I'm ignorant doesn't mean I own a Mac :D
Thanks.
keenan,
I'm did the same thing.
Will burn both tonight.
I had to break down and buy some SL DVDs :mad:

So is there a consensus of which version is the best? I have the 3.6gb version with the mds and mdf file extensions and it sounds rather flat. I'm downloading the smaller, 1.8gb(?) version now. Is there another one out there??

Since the smaller file is sourced directly from the commercially available WYWH CD, I'd assume that it sounds "better" than the quad vinyl transfer - haven't bothered checking the smaller file out as it doesn't interest me, but there is a mention that it is sourced directly from the remastered CD in the file description.

There are a bunch of surround transfers of WYWH out there...but until recently I hadn't seen any which contain an MLP track.

Since the smaller file is sourced directly from the commercially available WYWH CD, I'd assume that it sounds "better" than the quad vinyl transfer - haven't bothered checking the smaller file out as it doesn't interest me, but there is a mention that it is sourced directly from the remastered CD in the file description.

There are a bunch of surround transfers of WYWH out there...but until recently I hadn't seen any which contain an MLP track.
Yeah, well, the one I have, the 3.6gb is not very very impressive, it 96/24 with 4.0, but like I said, it sounds constrained and flat, I didn't even listen to the whole thing, compared to DSOTM, which I sat down and played the whole thing through the first time I played it.

As you note, it's probably been upsampled from the CD, I tried some software that does that and it wasn't very impressive.

Yeah, well, the one I have, the 3.6gb is not very very impressive, it 96/24 with 4.0, but like I said, it sounds constrained and flat, I didn't even listen to the whole thing, compared to DSOTM, which I sat down and played the whole thing through the first time I played it.


I'll agree that it isn't very very impressive when compared to the DSOTM DVD-A.

I do still find it fairly impressive however :rolleyes:

As I stated earlier in the thread, I'd rather throw on this quad vinyl transfer of WYWH rather than play the remastered CD version. I personally just hear "more" there with the quad transfer...it feel "homier", and reminds me of the old vinyl days -- I'm sure other folk's mileage will vary.

I'd assume that it sounds "better" than the quad vinyl transfer
This post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8123251&&#post8123251) indicates that the 3.6gb version is from the U.K. quad 8-track tape. I didn't hear any vinyl groove noise anomalies on an admittedly very quick listen, so I'm inclined to believe it's a tape-based source.

I didn't hear any surface noise with the 3.6 gig version so the 8-track theory sounds possible. Their is another version from quad LP (I think) that sounds better in DTS and DD.

Just because someone chose to make it DVDA doesn't imediately make it better. The 3.6 gig version does sound good. For anyone who owns the remastered CD and has a Dolby PL2x processor the 1.8 gig version is a waste of a DVD IMO.

I didn't hear any surface noise with the 3.6 gig version so the 8-track theory sounds possible. Their is another version from quad LP (I think) that sounds better in DTS and DD.

Just because someone chose to make it DVDA doesn't imediately make it better. The 3.6 gig version does sound good. For anyone who owns the remastered CD and has a Dolby PL2x processor the 1.8 gig version is a waste of a DVD IMO.

Well if the 3.6G version is from a 8 track quad mix, whatever its audio qualities, the discreteness of the surrounds are likely to be better than any upsampled CD with some surround processing applied.

I got the smaller version and while it sounds fine, I can't judge the surround side of it since the only way currently I can play DVD-A is on my PC. But nice touch with the CD cover art :)

Would someone be kind enough to PM me the link to the 3.6 GB version - I can't seem to find it.

TIA!

I would be interested too for a PM with the link to the 3.6 GB version .

Himey wrote: >> I didn't hear any surface noise with the 3.6 gig version so the 8-track theory sounds possible. <<

As I understand it, the WYWH quad transfer was done from a shrink-wrapped 'virgin' vinyl which had never been played before. Hence, no surface scratches.

I would be interested too for a PM with the link to the 3.6 GB version .

I suspect the link has gone underground or in closed sites. But interestingly, I did download the torrent file and it still works - that is when I startup my BT client, I can see that the whole file is still available. However I suspect I am treading on dangerous waters just even talking about that in this forum!

"Welcome to the Machine" is definitely going to be one of my system demo tracks. I listened to that over and over again last night. Did anyone ever figure out who put this one together? I'd like to thank whoever it was. (thank you)

This post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8123251&&#post8123251) indicates that the 3.6gb version is from the U.K. quad 8-track tape. I didn't hear any vinyl groove noise anomalies on an admittedly very quick listen, so I'm inclined to believe it's a tape-based source.

POI: There was no UK version of WYWH released on Q8, only the UK SQ vinyl. There are some very good SQ decoding scripts out there now for Adobe Audition, so someone could have taken a brand new SQ LP, recorded the stereo tracks at 24/96, then decoded them in AA and had "hi-fidelity" surround 4.0 tracks which would have better frequency response than a US Q8 rip. I have not heard these, but would guess it is one or the other.

As for Animals, there was NEVER a quad version of Animals released anywhere in the world, although the title did appear in a few Schwann catalogs at the time. Any surround version of Animals that is out there is strictly a "Frankenstien" mix, created by playing with the ambience and phasing.

One last thing: I would be surprised if the WYWH's out there were created by the same people who did the DSOTM DVD-A.

Since the 1.8gb version is from the remastered cd isn't it a "Frankenstein" mix as well?
The only true version of this would be the 3.6gb version off the vinyl, right?

Since the 1.8gb version is from the remastered cd isn't it a "Frankenstein" mix as well?
The only true version of this would be the 3.6gb version off the vinyl, right?

If that is the case, I wonder how the 4 channels were obtained from 2?

If that is the case, I wonder how the 4 channels were obtained from 2?

Why would the quad vinyl have only 2 available channels?

Why would the quad vinyl have only 2 available channels?

Just to clarify. If the 1.8G version is from the CD, then how did the other two channels get created.

If the 3.6G version is from the quad vinyl, I can understand how four channels were created since they exist on the vinyl.

I presume if you play a pristine vinyl disc, capture in Audition, apply some modest noise reduction (any groove noise etc.) you could get a pretty decent recording. I have managed to resurrect many of my vinyl discs that are in average shape (pops, ticks, groove noise) and with careful of noise reduction filters etc. create a copy that is in many respects, improved over the vinyl version.

Ok, we are on the same page.

One last thing: I would be surprised if the WYWH out there were created by the same people who did the DSOTM DVD-A.

I stand corrected and "am surprised"! :p

I stand corrected and "am surprised"! :p

How were you corrected (ie where did you get the info that it was created by the same person who did the DSOTM DVDA), and to which version are you speaking about?

OK.
Finally got the 3.6 gig file d/l and burned and listened to.
First impression was that it was tape sourced with a lot of noise
removal. No dynamics.
Second impression was that it was a conversion from stereo-but the SQ would be
better if that were the case.
Could very well be CD4, but not what I would call a "pristine" LP b/c I feel some type of noise reduction was used.
Whatever the case, another welcome addition to the collection.
Note: have only listened to the MLP track, and it was indeed quad.

boondocks

would someone be so kind as to send a copy of wywh my way please. as I cant seem to find the 3.6g version anywhere

How do you download the file? After one second I have a file called "[TBox] dvda Animals.torrent" ?
Double click the icon..

And any future discussion about downloading details we should stay away from as it will eventually get this thread closed, and I for one, would like to continue to hear peoples thoughts on the material itself.

The 1.8 gig WYWH dvd-a is a Frankensteinian 'upmix' as they say, a stereo to surround conversion done manually and mixed and balanced by hand/ear. It sounds to me like the intent was to replicate the stereo mix in expanded fashion, so that what's mixed far left and far right in stereo is in the rears in the surround mix, and anything mixed to mid-left or -right in the stereo mix is in the fronts. All processing was done in the 24-96 realm for both WYWH and Animals, they aren't re-encoded Dolby mixes.

Hi guys - I have this WYWH (3.6) on d/l at the mo (still a day to go!) but I don't have a DVD-A player (My Sony DVD player plays DVD-V, S/VCD, SACD, CD, but no DVDA)

When I got DSOTM DVDA it was an ISO done up in a RAR file. I extracted the folders from the RAR and had an AUDIO_TS and a VIDEO_TS. Obviously I couldn't play the AUDIO_TS (for DVD-A) but I burned the VIDEO_TS folder to DVD-V and can play the DD and DTS tracks fine....

The 3.6 version of WYWH I am d/loading states it has MLP/DD/DTS, but it's MDF and MDS files - how do I extract the DVD-V files I need to burn for DVD-V so I can play the DD and DTS audiotracks?

Thanks in advance!

Anyone???

Try one of these links:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mdf+mds+burn

I had looked thru those links (or similar) before, but I was kinda looking for how to extract the files from within the MDF file, like how to "unpack" it....

But, I couldn't find anything, so decided to burn it using DVD Decrypter (which can write MDF iso files) and then, if need be, re-rip it using DVDShrink (or DVD Decrypter, etc)

But as it stands, my Sony DVD player loads up the menu with the option to listen to DD or DTS, so it should be fine :)

Could anyone point me to the 3,6GB file? Its seems gone, I can only find the 1,8GB versions. The file should still be out there. A PM would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.

greetings
the_1

I had looked thru those links (or similar) before, but I was kinda looking for how to extract the files from within the MDF file, like how to "unpack" it....

But, I couldn't find anything, so decided to burn it using DVD Decrypter (which can write MDF iso files) and then, if need be, re-rip it using DVDShrink (or DVD Decrypter, etc)

But as it stands, my Sony DVD player loads up the menu with the option to listen to DD or DTS, so it should be fine :)

I am a total noob when it comes to doing the burn thing for something like this. I have the 1.8 file and art work. The file is saved as an .iso file. How do I get that onto a disc. I have Sonic and have burned data DVD's before. Can I just dbl click on the iso file and it'll do the rest?

I'm really anxious to hear this. Do I need to buy or d/l this DVD Decrypter? If so how do I find it.

Any help is greatly appreciated...thanks!

Doug

I am a total noob when it comes to doing the burn thing for something like this. I have the 1.8 file and art work. The file is saved as an .iso file. How do I get that onto a disc. I have Sonic and have burned data DVD's before. Can I just dbl click on the iso file and it'll do the rest?

I'm really anxious to hear this. Do I need to buy or d/l this DVD Decrypter? If so how do I find it.

Any help is greatly appreciated...thanks!

Doug
You burn the .iso to disc. But this one's a waste of time, in my opinion. It's crap.

Did you get the DSOTM DVD-A d/l, though? That one's probably worth it.

I actually have the DSOTM SCAD from when it was first released. I've come this far and I truly crave WYWH in surround so I'll give it a go. I guess, from what you're saying is that I can just go into my DVD buring software and 'open' the .iso and it'll do the rest?

I'll give it a try....thanks

DSOTM is much better but I don't think WYWH is terrible. I never play either of them though really after checking them both out.

Chris

I actually have the DSOTM SCAD from when it was first released.
The DSOTM DVD-A is a completely different mix than the SACD. It is made from Parsons' original quad mix tapes. It is very professionally done and well worth the download.

Many people actually prefer it over the SACD.

HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=655946&highlight=DSOTM) is the thread regarding it.

I actually have the DSOTM SCAD from when it was first released. I've come this far and I truly crave WYWH in surround so I'll give it a go. I guess, from what you're saying is that I can just go into my DVD buring software and 'open' the .iso and it'll do the rest?

I'll give it a try....thanks


So I tried to open the .iso file with my Digital Media Home (DVD buring program by Sonic) and it didn't recognize the file. It' says, when I dbl click on the .iso that it's a CD ROM file and it gives me a choice of different files to try to open it with, but none of which are my DVD burning software. I typically would experiment with the different progs the computer offers, but I don't want to corrupt the file.

I know I'm so close, but what am I missing here?? Do I need to d/l that DVD Decrypter thing that's mentioned above, and if so, how do I use that to get the file to the DVD?

Thanks,

Doug

I heard stuff on the DVD-A DSOTM I never heard on the SACD.

So I tried to open the .iso file with my Digital Media Home (DVD buring program by Sonic) and it didn't recognize the file. It' says, when I dbl click on the .iso that it's a CD ROM file and it gives me a choice of different files to try to open it with, but none of which are my DVD burning software. I typically would experiment with the different progs the computer offers, but I don't want to corrupt the file.

I know I'm so close, but what am I missing here?? Do I need to d/l that DVD Decrypter thing that's mentioned above, and if so, how do I use that to get the file to the DVD?

Thanks,

Doug
You don't open it. Just burn the .iso as a disc image straight to a DVD.

How do I load the 'disc image' into my DVD buring software....I think that's where I'm confused. I tried to 'open' it with the Digital Media burning software and it didn't 'take'. I did use the dvd decrytor software and it ended up putting a bunch of VOB and AOB files on the disc, but they were unreadable by my dvd player.

How do I load the 'disc image' into my DVD buring software....I think that's where I'm confused. I tried to 'open' it with the Digital Media burning software and it didn't 'take'. I did use the dvd decrytor software and it ended up putting a bunch of VOB and AOB files on the disc, but they were unreadable by my dvd player.
I'm not familiar with your software, but any decent software should have an option that allows you to simply burn an image to disc. The image you want to burn is the .iso.

VICTORY!

Just listening to it now....While some might say it's not a good version I have to say it's better than what the band has release to this point; which is to say nothing.

I've been hoping and waiting for more Floyd in MC for a while (once they whetted our appetites with DSOTM) and this is a fine substitute until the real thing comes out.

I already have the Animals image which I'll burn shortly and then I'll search out the DSOTM DVDA to make a comparison.

Thanks for everyones help!

Doug

then I'll search out the DSOTM DVDA to make a comparison.


The DSOTM quad mix is the only thing floating around out there which rivals (and perhaps surpasses) what has been released commercially IMHO.

VICTORY!

Just listening to it now....While some might say it's not a good version I have to say it's better than what the band has release to this point; which is to say nothing.

I've been hoping and waiting for more Floyd in MC for a while (once they whetted our appetites with DSOTM) and this is a fine substitute until the real thing comes out.

I already have the Animals image which I'll burn shortly and then I'll search out the DSOTM DVDA to make a comparison.

Thanks for everyones help!

Doug

Don't get too excited about the Animals image. It is just an upmix. Nothing like the DSOTM or the WYWH which were both from a QUAD mix.

I listened to the DSOTM DVDA mix and while I like it, it seems like it's missing something. Obviously there are some things you don' t hear on the SACD, but there also seems to be some things that are lacking. I don't know how to explain it. It's good, but just doesn't sound as complete as the SACD.

Does that make sense?

I also d/l'd a bunch of DTS mixes, but I don't know how to burn them to a disc. THey don't have iso images, they have img, ccd and I think sub images. Any thoughts on how to get these onto a disc? I have DVD Decryptor, and MagicIso. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

D

Yeah, well, the one I have, the 3.6gb is not very very impressive, it 96/24 with 4.0, but like I said, it sounds constrained and flat, I didn't even listen to the whole thing, compared to DSOTM, which I sat down and played the whole thing through the first time I played it.

As you note, it's probably been upsampled from the CD, I tried some software that does that and it wasn't very impressive.

Sorry to get back on topic (and so late in the game) but I just listened to the WYWH DVD-A in my Acura TL. I disagree with keenan's review of the MLP track. I didn't feel like the sound was in any way constrained when compared to my CD of the remixed album. I really enjoyed this DVD-A. I feel that the surround mix works well and the audio is very clear and crisp.

-phil

The DSOTM quad mix is the only thing floating around out there which rivals (and perhaps surpasses) what has been released commercially IMHO.Definitely surpasses anything available commercially IMO :)

As far as the 4.0 WYWH I didn't particularly care for it. Now if someone knows how to add the .1 channel to that mix I may come around :)

Sorry to get back on topic (and so late in the game) but I just listened to the WYWH DVD-A in my Acura TL. I disagree with keenan's review of the MLP track. I didn't feel like the sound was in any way constrained when compared to my CD of the remixed album. I really enjoyed this DVD-A. I feel that the surround mix works well and the audio is very clear and crisp.

-phil
I'll probably give it another shot, it's just that it didn't excite me like the DSOTM DVD-A did. The DSOTM "release", in the opinion of some, mine included, may well be the best HiRes multi-channel recording of the decade. YMMV, of course.

The DSOTM "release", in the opinion of some, mine included, may well be the best HiRes multi-channel recording of the decade.

It is certainly right up there.

Absolutely mindblowing.

:eek:

If anyone wouldn't mind PMing me the link to the 3.6gb version of WYWH it would be appreciated :D

Ya me too please I can't seem to find it anywhere :(

I just got it - thanks, I will pass it on to djphil20.

Thanks for the pm's guys. I just listened to the 3.6 gb version and compared to my half-speed master vinyl, it sounds a bit flat and dull, but the separation is good and the surrounds sound nice, the bass is being sent to my sub but it's missing some frequencys.
I say it's defiantly better than the regular CD. I'm happy with it, as now I don't have to wear out my vinyl copy.

edit
That review was based on the DD portion not the DTS and in my living room, not in my studio. On further listening to the DTS track in my studio, I believe this was a tape source, slight noise reduction is apparent with some fluttering. The DTS is a bit fuller sounding with better base frequencies but overall quieter than the DD portion. I compared it to my recorded half speed master in Audition @ 96/24, using my custom noise reduction settings I use for vinyl. I encoded the vinyl into DTS to see if the fluttering was compression based, it does not sound like it. The result is a different sound, the spectrum analyzer shows that there is no doubt that my recording came from vinyl and the DVD-A is sourced from something else.
I'm no expert. Just my interpretation from what I am hearing and seeing.
It sounds nice though.

Could someone pm me with the link to the DSOTM Quad? I'm trying to find it with no luck. I want to compare it with my HSM vinyl and SACD.

Thanks

Will someone PM me the link also.

I am going to get a dvd burner just for this and DSOTM any suggestions on a good external burner and DVD software (Nero 7?).

It is certainly right up there.

Absolutely mindblowing.

:eek:


Ahh, Benefactor.......you mock. But out of the context of this thread, and generally speaking, you do have to admit; DSOTM is great mix, has a slick "market ready" quality to it, and an air of mystery as to the source. Personally, I was so fricking sick of "Money" from hearing it on classic rock radio I never wanted to hear it again. Not here. DSOTM is one of my favorite discs at the moment. I'm no stupid simpleton, as Bjork and Flaming Lips also get heavy rotation. What do you have against it?

What do you have against it?

Nothing whatsoever.

I was being dead serious.

Oh, then........nevermind. :)

Well I got this one to go with DSotM... and you can color me unimpressed. DSotM's mix is much more aggressive and, to me at least, brings something new to the table vs previous versions I have heard/owned. I rather enjoy the DVD-A more than the 30th Anniv vinyl which is my "best" vinyl. However the WYWH mix is so tame I don't think it adds much, if anything, to previous versions I have heard/own. Oh, well. It isn't bad by any means it just doesn't wow me in any way.

I've only listened to it twice but it sounds a little dull/flat to me as well. I am listening to the DD track, couldn't get the DTS track to play for some reason (dang remote I think).

I'd probably only recommned this if you don't already have a good WYWH "album" of some sort or are really into collecting.

IMO/YYMV :p

Well I got this one to go with DSotM... and you can color me unimpressed. DSotM's mix is much more aggressive and, to me at least, brings something new to the table vs previous versions I have heard/owned. I rather enjoy the DVD-A more than the 30th Anniv vinyl which is my "best" vinyl. However the WYWH mix is so tame I don't think it adds much, if anything, to previous versions I have heard/own. Oh, well. It isn't bad by any means it just doesn't wow me in any way.

I've only listened to it twice but it sounds a little dull/flat to me as well. I am listening to the DD track, couldn't get the DTS track to play for some reason (dang remote I think).

I'd probably only recommned this if you don't already have a good WYWH "album" of some sort or are really into collecting.

IMO/YYMV :p

DSOTM is *allegedly* sourced from the original 4 channel studio master tape, the WYWH is either from a commercial quadraphonic 8 track tape or the SQ LP, depending on which version you have. Either way, there is no comparison.

Yeah, to lump the DSoTM DVD-A in with the WYWH one is not proper.

The DSoTM DVD-A is head and shoulders above the WYWH one. Whole other league; no comparison.

To me, downloading the WYWH one is a waste of time.

I'm well aware of the sources and expected quality.

To me, downloading the WYWH one is a waste of time.

I guess my time isn't that valuable.

I would have to guess that this is merely a normal old CD taken and remixed into 5.1 MLP with a program such as Ambisonics, or GART. You see these all the time on usenet servers, and no... they aren't anywhere near as good as an actual DVD-A disc. I speak from experience as I've got many.

The fact people do this often leaves me with a certain look on my face... something like this: :eek:

:D

Difference between this and the DSoTM DVD-A is that one is an actual DVD-A taken from Alan Parsons Quadraphonic mix from the 70's, and the other is simply some guy who had a CD and took the stereo source to 5.0 with an application with poor algorithms. :confused:

I would have to guess that this is merely a normal old CD taken and remixed into 5.1 MLP with a program such as Ambisonics, or GART. You see these all the time on usenet servers, and no... they aren't anywhere near as good as an actual DVD-A disc. I speak from experience as I've got many.

The fact people do this often leaves me with a certain look on my face... something like this: :eek:

:D

Difference between this and the DSoTM DVD-A is that one is an actual DVD-A taken from Alan Parsons Quadraphonic mix from the 70's, and the other is simply some guy who had a CD and took the stereo source to 5.0 with an application with poor algorithms. :confused:

Not sure which version you are talking about. There is a version from a QUAD LP or 8 track that sounds pretty good...not a waste of time like others are saying.

ps Anyone check out the QUAD Zappa Apostrophe?

I was talking about the Quad version, IMO its pretty bland.

I was talking about the Quad version, IMO its pretty bland.

You must have downloaded a "Frankenstien" version, as the real quad version of WYWH is quite good, and demo surround quality in places. The US Q8 is the only real discrete source, however, so there's bound to be some hiss with it.

However, I have heard some excellent DVD-A conversions of the Q8 that retain all of the "discreteness" of the original mix. The problem is, if you do not get them from the original converter, you are only taking a crap shoot by downloading anything from the internet, as there is no way to tell what you are going to get.

Even from Q8, there are great conversion, and there are some horrible conversions.

I would have to guess that this is merely a normal old CD taken and remixed into 5.1 MLP with a program such as Ambisonics, or GART.

The WYWH I referenced originally in this thread is certainly NOT one of these "upmixes" you refer to (mixed from the commercial CD).

It isn't anywhere near the same league as the DSOTM DVD-A, but I certainly don't consider it a "waste of time" either.

Obviously, YMMV.

I do have the one Benefactor is talking about and not some "fake" upmix. Perhaps if I had heard it without hearing DSotM I would have thought better of it but to me it just doesn't really add much. I'll give it another listen though as I have only played it once so far and I'll admit it was with company over so I didn't give it my full attention.

When I played DSotM for my friends they were all whipping their heads around trying to figure out what was going on :D

Now I have it. I just reread this thread. As stated by others, the conversion you are talking about was created from a allegedly "still sealed" SQ LP that was opened and recorded on first playback. It was then decoded using a software script. This is the version that has the MLP/DD/DTS tracks and the graphics.

There is no way an SQ encoded recording will exhibit the same standards of seperation as a Quad 8 track tape, let alone a master tape. This is why you are "not impressed".

To hear this title with the same seperation as the DSoTM DVD-A, you need to find a conversion sourced from the Q8 tape. However, this tape has been converted by many a quad fan, and the quality of these conversions varies greatly. Most are DTS CDs, a few are DVD-Audios.

I have only heard one of the WYWH downloads, the one at about 3.6 GB, and didn't bother with trying to determine the source and who knows if the alleged source is accurate in any event. As others mention it isn't nearly as good as DSoTM, but it is still the best version of WYWH I have ever heard and I play it quite a lot since I don't have anything else. I don't play the DSoTM bootleg much since I have the SACD, actually two pressings of the SACD including one of the Crest crackers which I keep on playing thinking it is going to go bad. It has very tiny cracks around the spindle hole and the prediction is that the disc will either physically come apart or the cracks will extend and render it unplayable. I have the other version as well just in case the Crest version doesn't hold up.

If you must have something of the quality of the DSoTM DVD-A, you will be disappointed with WYWH but I think the album on its own is as good and the audio quality very good so I sure recommend it. My collection of bootlegs doubled with WYWH and I haven't tried to determine if other comparable quality downloads are available, it is just too much trouble to get them.

Chris

I have only heard one of the WYWH downloads, the one at about 3.6 GB, and didn't bother with trying to determine the source and who knows if the alleged source is accurate in any event. As others mention it isn't nearly as good as DSoTM, but it is still the best version of WYWH I have ever heard and I play it quite a lot since I don't have anything else. I don't play the DSoTM bootleg much since I have the SACD, actually two pressings of the SACD including one of the Crest crackers which I keep on playing thinking it is going to go bad. It has very tiny cracks around the spindle hole and the prediction is that the disc will either physically come apart or the cracks will extend and render it unplayable. I have the other version as well just in case the Crest version doesn't hold up.

If you must have something of the quality of the DSoTM DVD-A, you will be disappointed with WYWH but I think the album on its own is as good and the audio quality very good so I sure recommend it. My collection of bootlegs doubled with WYWH and I haven't tried to determine if other comparable quality downloads are available, it is just too much trouble to get them.

Chris
I have the larger download (don't remember the size now). Although I'm glad to
have it, it sounds like some conversions I've heard, in that like a friend says,
sounds like a "blanket has been layed over the speakers". I'll not debate the
source or methods, since like I say I'm glad to have it. But there's no denying the
SQ just isn't there as compared to even some 2-->5 conversions I've heard.
IMOO.

boondocks

Sorry to drag up such an old thread, but I just found out about the WYWH and DSOTM DVD-A's. I have found many torrents for them on Google, but I want to make sure I'm getting the real thing, and not some upmixed CD version, or even worse, a virus. So, if someone would be kind enough to PM me with a good link to them (I especially can't wait to hear WYWH in 5.1), I would really appreciate it.

Sorry to drag up such an old thread, but I just found out about the WYWH and DSOTM DVD-A's. I have found many torrents for them on Google, but I want to make sure I'm getting the real thing, and not some upmixed CD version, or even worse, a virus. So, if someone would be kind enough to PM me with a good link to them (I especially can't wait to hear WYWH in 5.1), I would really appreciate it.Sorry, I'm not going searching for the links because, honestly, I would have to sift through them for a legit one, myself.

WYWH is 4.0. DSoTM is 4.1 (unfortunately an LFE channel was concocted).

Hey Guys,
Would somebody who's downloaded some of these Pink Floyd gems please go back online with them? I've been stuck in the 80% range for weeks.
If anybody wants to make legal arguments please note that I've bought all of these records multiple times on LP, Audiophile LP, cassette, CD and SACD when available. I can't imagine that Roger Waters and the boys would begrudge me a good listen after that kind of support. If they want the 'Money' they could just release them. Hell, tell me where to send a check.
Thanks!
Sam

I just downloaded the DSOTM DVD-A and burned the ISO on my mac. Unfortunately my Oppo BVP-83 thinks it's a 'Data Disk' and can't seem to find the audio on it. Any ideas?
thanks,
Sam

I just downloaded the DSOTM DVD-A and burned the ISO on my mac. Unfortunately my Oppo BVP-83 thinks it's a 'Data Disk' and can't seem to find the audio on it. Any ideas?
thanks,
Sam

I am not a Mac person but if you didn't burn the iso with some software that can burn iso images, then that would be the problem. If you look at the contents of the burnt disc and see a file called *.ISO then you didn't burn it correctly - you need to see two directories VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS

I just downloaded the DSOTM DVD-A and burned the ISO on my mac. Unfortunately my Oppo BVP-83 thinks it's a 'Data Disk' and can't seem to find the audio on it. Any ideas?
thanks,
Sam

Did you burn the iso using Disk Utility? That's how I do it on my Mac and I've never had any problems with iso's.

For those interested in being able to distinguish the discrete mix from the matrix derived version(s) of WYWH, the best track for that is the title track #4 "Wish You Were Here". Listen to this track with the front channels disabled. For the discrete mix, it's what you do and don't hear in the surrounds. This track does not *any* surround information until around 1min 20 sec, as confirmed on the Q8 mix. On the Tate SQ matrix decoded version, one can hear bleedthrough starting around :35 in, followed by dialog bleeding through around 1 min 10 seconds, as the decoder struggles to keep hard panned left front, left right and center front in their proper positions. This pumping of dialog beedthrough audio is absent on th discrete mix. And while you can hear some bleedthrough in the discrete vesion, it constantly very very low, and the only way to hear it is cranked with the front channels disabled. The discrete version at this point 1min 15 sec has subtle cues (drumsticks tapped, and then heard being moved around in the studio) that are lost in the matrix extracted version from both bleedthrough from the front channels and the audio pumping in the surrounds.