I was hoping that Piz would have a chance with Veronica. I don't see Logan and Veonica lasting too long.

Not a great ep, but I'm glad it's back. :)

I loved the whole "P.H.A.T." dialog at the beginning. It was a salute to Kevin Smith's "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back".

After watching the promo for next week's episode, I think Logan and Veronica are done for (the return of Madison Sinclair).

Mediocre epidose on the whole. I did enjoy seeing V rock out to the Barenaked Ladies in Canada.

Personally, I think V is getting a little too "glam" for my tastes (espcially those ginormous sunglasses she had on in the quad. I liked the laid-back quasi-indie look that she sported most of 11th and 12th grades.

Does anyone else think its funny that Mac's roomate's hair is fully grown back in just a few months, or that is the best wig ever.

Great show. Wife and I started at Season 1 Disc 1 less than 3 weeks ago, and caught up yesterday.

Does anyone else think its funny that Mac's roomate's hair is fully grown back in just a few months, or that is the best wig ever.
I was thinking the same thing.

I agree also, VM is looking a little too good, if that makes any sense...

...Does anyone else think its funny that Mac's roomate's hair is fully grown back in just a few months, or that is the best wig ever.

I was thinking wig.

(the return of Madison Sinclair).

What? Really? I think your confusing your characters.

What? Really? I think your confusing your characters.

Watch the promo for tonight's episode. It is indeed Madison Sinclair.

It was indeed Madison...stupid whore....

Best episode this season...the dialog was VMars perfection....

I was rolling on all the BSG references....so great....

I was rolling on all the BSG references....so great....

Yeah ... too bad the BSG camp can't reciprocate ... then again, maybe they could pick up some DNS on the long range scanners. ;)

I had the full closing credits with black screen with music so didnt have the next episode preview. No help that I never see any ads for the show.

Best episode this season...the dialog was VMars perfection....

I was rolling on all the BSG references....so great....

Agree 100%. Especially the use of "And then you guys fracked?". And V's icy reaction to Logan's "And since we've paid ..." as escorts the first escort out ...

Somehow Veronica deciding to blackmail a judge for money seemed both stupid, illegal, and out of character. It bothered me.

- Tom

Somehow Veronica deciding to blackmail a judge for money seemed both stupid, illegal, and out of character. It bothered me.
Yes. They're trying to make Veronica more shady and spontaneous this season. At least the show acknowledged that it was a dumb plan by having it blow up in her face. She does make stupid mistakes sometimes.

Other than that I liked the episode.

Agree 100%. Especially the use of "And then you guys fracked?". And V's icy reaction to Logan's "And since we've paid ..." as escorts the first escort out ...

Best line of the episode:

"It's like a Zagat's guide for hookers!" :D

I loved the expression on Lamb's face when he looked over and saw Keith in uniform!

I really like the show which appears to be a kiss of death.
I really liked Arrested Development and we saw what happened there.

I loved the expression on Lamb's face when he looked over and saw Keith in uniform!

ahahahhaha great scene....

Good episode. I just re watched American Beauty on LD the other day!
At least it didn't have an strange Vincent Gallo reference... a other show had last week. that most 99.999999%people would not get. lets just keep pop reference that at least 1 out of 1,000 people know about. Thanks!:D

I was glad that Veronica asked Logan how (that guy) could have had time to come back from TJ Mexico and rape a girl while Logan was sleeping. Unfortunately he didn't offer up much of an explanation. At least the writers recognized what seemed to be a plot hole (as discussed here).

I thought this episode had the best mix of characters. I have to say that at first I was worried with the change in format that will be coming up later this season, but after watching this last episode, I've now changed my mind and think that it will be better that way. In this last episode, the stuff about the Dean's suicide was boring, while the episode mystery was very refreshing.

By my count, that's at least the third "frak" uttered on VM this season. Love it.

By my count, that's at least the third "frak" uttered on VM this season. Love it.

If you pay really close attention, there was also a brief musical cue from Battlestar Galactica in the score just before a commercial break.

The first 30 seconds of tonight's episode were the best of Veronica Mars ever!!!!!

The first 30 seconds of tonight's episode were the best of Veronica Mars ever!!!!!


We finally got to see how small V's waist really is. I guess that Shape Magazine cover wasn't airbrushed after all. Damn you, Jason Dohring.

This is the second episode where I've noticed that the HD picture quality really exposes how fake the matte painting skyline outside Logan's room is.

This is the second episode where I've noticed that the HD picture quality really exposes how fake the matte painting skyline outside Logan's room is.


I noticed the same. But I'm willing to forgive, given how great the main "scenery" is.

This is the second episode where I've noticed that the HD picture quality really exposes how fake the matte painting skyline outside Logan's room is.

why were you looking there?

why were you looking there?

When he or Veronica walk out on the balcony, it's hard not to notice the fake backdrop behind them.

I was expecting a "Marshmallo" comment somewhere when Weevil mention V was getting soft. oh well.

When he or Veronica walk out on the balcony, it's hard not to notice the fake backdrop behind them.
They should move it a few feet father away so it's more out of focus and so the camera motion makes it less obvious how close it is. It really does look like a poster, even in SD.

When he or Veronica walk out on the balcony, it's hard not to notice the fake backdrop behind them.

Agreed. I recall thinking how badly faked it looked.

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Daaaamn!

If she turns around I would have fainted.

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Daaaamn!

If she turns around I would have fainted.

:D :D :D :D

YUM!

Once you guys are through drooling over Kristen's back, I want to point out another thing I like about this show.

Veronica cleverly tricks her way into Tim's office. She finds his computer is password protected. Does she do some sort of technobabble thing to break into the computer like the Chloes (Smallville and 24) would do? Nope! Instead she sticks a microcamera into the lamp shade over the keyboard and Watergates the lock on the door so she can get in there later and see what password he typed.

I'm kind of skeptical about taping the lock, but the keyboard camera is a real device investigators could use. Bravo, VM writers for not taking the shortcuts!

Once you guys are through drooling over Kristen's back, I want to point out another thing I like about this show.

Veronica cleverly tricks her way into Tim's office. She finds his computer is password protected. Does she do some sort of technobabble thing to break into the computer like the Chloes (Smallville and 24) would do? Nope! Instead she sticks a microcamera into the lamp shade over the keyboard and Watergates the lock on the door so she can get in there later and see what password he typed.

I'm kind of skeptical about taping the lock, but the keyboard camera is a real device investigators could use. Bravo, VM writers for not taking the shortcuts!

I though she was going to do the usual 'watch closely'. But, it was clear that that was how she was going. And got a fun dig about his password, but also his interest in the death of the Dean.
And, I must say Dick is a fun character, well played, but as we saw with his reaction to Madison and Logan, he's got feelings too.

Once you guys are through drooling over Kristen's back, I want to point out another thing I like about this show.

Veronica cleverly tricks her way into Tim's office. She finds his computer is password protected. Does she do some sort of technobabble thing to break into the computer like the Chloes (Smallville and 24) would do? Nope! Instead she sticks a microcamera into the lamp shade over the keyboard and Watergates the lock on the door so she can get in there later and see what password he typed.

I'm kind of skeptical about taping the lock, but the keyboard camera is a real device investigators could use. Bravo, VM writers for not taking the shortcuts!


I'm sorry, did you say something. I was distracted by the photograph of Kristen's lower back.

I though she was going to do the usual 'watch closely'. But, it was clear that that was how she was going. And got a fun dig about his password, but also his interest in the death of the Dean.
And, I must say Dick is a fun character, well played, but as we saw with his reaction to Madison and Logan, he's got feelings too.

Yeah, I like Dick's character also. At the beginning of last season, I couldn't stand him. But his interactions with VM and Beaver are/were great.

wow mr silver is really advertising his movie "Kiss kiss, bang bang!" With a cast list even! Previously there was Matrix and Matrix Online. Where's House of wax or V of Vendetta? Need to push those home video releases!:D

Last night's episode was pretty good.

I noticed Logan uses a Harmony remote.

"those calls are $2/min"


haha great lines....very well written episode last night

Last night's episode was pretty good.

I noticed Logan uses a Harmony remote. Haha, I noticed that, too... and it was a Harmony 880, I'm pretty sure. ;)

Yep 880. What was the animation that Heather was watching?

The dialog between Logan and the little girl was great. It was good to see the old "smartass" Logan again.

I was not able to watch in live on time. Switched it on in the middle and my first reaction to Heather was I thought she was another Echoles. because to me she looked a bit like a young Trina.

I'm surprised that they've started another murder mystery before wrapping up the Dean's. Considering the last five eps this season are supposed to be stand-alones, things will be moving pretty fast the next few weeks. Hold on to your hats, boys.

Mars (name), Neptune (town), Saturn (car) - have any of the other planets' names been incorporated into the show? I'm sure that Dick or Logan have uttered Uranus at some point. I realize that's crude, but probably the only way that planet's getting used. I guess that just leaves Jupiter, Venus, and Mercury (considering Pluto's status as a planet has been downgraded).

Could weevil's car be a Mercury?

Back OT - best line of the night - "Is that my shirt?"

I'm surprised that they've started another murder mystery before wrapping up the Dean's. Considering the last five eps this season are supposed to be stand-alones, things will be moving pretty fast the next few weeks. Hold on to your hats, boys.

Mars (name), Neptune (town), Saturn (car) - have any of the other planets' names been incorporated into the show? I'm sure that Dick or Logan have uttered Uranus at some point. I realize that's crude, but probably the only way that planet's getting used. I guess that just leaves Jupiter, Venus, and Mercury (considering Pluto's status as a planet has been downgraded).

Could weevil's car be a Mercury?

Back OT - best line of the night - "Is that my shirt?"

The first episode of the season had a great line.

Piz - "A Mars, living in Neptune, driving a Saturn?"

Veronica - "Yeah, the stars are aligning, now move Uranus, the Mercury is rising."

I'm surprised that they've started another murder mystery before wrapping up the Dean's. Considering the last five eps this season are supposed to be stand-alones, things will be moving pretty fast the next few weeks. Hold on to your hats, boys.

Mars (name), Neptune (town), Saturn (car) - have any of the other planets' names been incorporated into the show? I'm sure that Dick or Logan have uttered Uranus at some point. I realize that's crude, but probably the only way that planet's getting used. I guess that just leaves Jupiter, Venus, and Mercury (considering Pluto's status as a planet has been downgraded).

Could weevil's car be a Mercury?

Back OT - best line of the night - "Is that my shirt?"

You forgot Earth. ;)

You forgot Earth. ;)

Off-topic - I know you can do this with many words, but "Earth" starts to sound really strange when you say it repeatedly.

The first episode of the season had a great line.

Piz - "A Mars, living in Neptune, driving a Saturn?"

Veronica - "Yeah, the stars are aligning, now move Uranus, the Mercury is rising."

Actually, way back when I first posted about this show before the first season, I did think it was probably a sci fi show of Veronica (teenage sleuth, picture Nancy Drew) in some futuristic city on the planet Neptune.

But I haven't been disappointed. ;)

- Tom

BAH! OMG!

WHAT IN THE HELL!?!?!?! LAMB LED TO THE SLAUGHTER???




WOW...that was pretty surprising...

Apparently he might be on BSG next season :D :D :D

His blog on LJ (http://community.livejournal.com/rack_of_lamb/)

Another excellent Veronica. So many things to like. And next week looks great.

"I smell bread."

What an inglorious death for Lamb! I was really warming up to the character this season. His banter with Veronica and Keith was priceless.

Could weevil's car be a Mercury?



Wasn't Keith driving a Mercury last night?

Shame about Lamb - I also really enjoyed the character.

Is this season only 15 episodes long? Thats all it shows on tv.com...

"I smell bread."

What an inglorious death for Lamb! I was really warming up to the character this season. His banter with Veronica and Keith was priceless.

Didn't see that one coming.

Is this season only 15 episodes long? Thats all it shows on tv.com...

It will return after the Pussycat Dolls reality show with more episodes (7?), but each episode will be self-contained with no continuing story-arc.

Good to know it's continuing on. Hopefully ratings are good enough for another season, this is a fun little show.

Two minor points. An "Accidental Death" clause or double indemnity doesn't pay for murder (or suicide). Murder is not considered an "accident".

Also, despite many references in TV and movies. Suicide rarely voids a life insurance payoff. Generally, after a two year probationary period (from the time the policy is started) - all deaths are paid off - even suicide. Even if you died from lung cancer and they find out you lied on the application when you said you were never a smoker - they can't do much about denying the claim after that 2 year period.

more episodes (7?)
5

7 must have been wishful thinking.

I thought I had heard that there would be 6 episodes remaining, all stand-alones. At any rate, it looks like that's all the Veronica we're going to get. Word is that Kristin Bell has taken a roll in a Broadway musical for next year, so, that's that. Ratings have been pretty anemic. When you're one of the CW's lowest rated shows, that's pretty....uh.....low.

I never cease to be amazed at the often inverse relationship between a given show's quality vs. ratings. I wouldn't mind that the viewing public has such lousy taste if it didn't always mean the demise of the shows I like. :(

I think last night's episode was #14. Typically, there is a 22-episode season if all episodes are ordered, but CW might not have ordered a full slate of episodes.

I thought I had heard that there would be 6 episodes remaining, all stand-alones. At any rate, it looks like that's all the Veronica we're going to get. Word is that Kristin Bell has taken a roll in a Broadway musical for next year, so, that's that. Ratings have been pretty anemic. When you're one of the CW's lowest rated shows, that's pretty....uh.....low.

I never cease to be amazed at the often inverse relationship between a given show's quality vs. ratings. I wouldn't mind that the viewing public has such lousy taste if it didn't always mean the demise of the shows I like. :(

It would make sense to me... sadly.

They have been killing off lots of people lately... and with the Sheriff dead, it seems logical to assume the show is ending this season.

Damn you CW!!!!! Keep the show around you fools!

I thought I had heard that there would be 6 episodes remaining, all stand-alones. At any rate, it looks like that's all the Veronica we're going to get. Word is that Kristin Bell has taken a roll in a Broadway musical for next year, so, that's that. Ratings have been pretty anemic. When you're one of the CW's lowest rated shows, that's pretty....uh.....low.

I never cease to be amazed at the often inverse relationship between a given show's quality vs. ratings. I wouldn't mind that the viewing public has such lousy taste if it didn't always mean the demise of the shows I like. :(

What I don't understand is why.

They have well acted, interesting characters. The arcs have been intricate. The father/daughter relationship between Veronica and Keith is believable, etc. etc.

This is one of the best underappreciated series in a long time. I guess we should be greatful it has lasted for as long as it has....but I still don't get it. What went wrong??? :confused:

if I remember correctly it was 20 episodes instead of 22.

Umm, Veronica Mars is up in viewers from last year on UPN.

And the show is doing three big mysteries this season, unlike one from last year.

Word is that Kristin Bell has taken a roll in a Broadway musical for next year
Link? I couldn't find anything about this.

fredfa's thread shows 20 episodes this year for VM. The last 5 will be stand-alones.

BTW - don't let yourself read the story synopsis from the D* Electronic Program Guide for next week, because it gives away who the killer is. I read it before this week's episode aired, which sort of bummed it out (to know who dunnit, that is).

Can't believe they killed off Lamb.

The thing with the timing and the ear-witness and the tv show - that almost lost me. And the thing is, I doubt stations push back super-late night programming when a game runs late or whatever. Seems like it would just get bumped, but its not a big deal.

Oh, and I guess we've confirmed that Mac's roomate's hair has actually grown back - she went swimming in the ocean so it was definitely not supposed to be a wig. They let that slide a little there I guess as here hair would be about as long as boy's at this point (Valentines Day would be 7 months after she got it shaved off at most).

Another thing - why has Wallace gotten so little screen time this season. It must be cheaper for them to just keep showing Kristen and Enrico and almost nobody else (except for the week's mystery's guest stars).

They let that slide a little there I guess as here hair would be about as long as boy's at this pointThat could be because her hair's long enough now to allow for extensions. Or maybe they just forgot. :D

Another thing - why has Wallace gotten so little screen time this season.Because of their tiny budget and a very large supporting cast, they only have the actors for so many episodes. I guess they're holding Wallace back for the last batch.

Link? I couldn't find anything about this.Xanadu (http://talkinbroadway.com/allthatchat/d.php?id=1366275), although it hasn't been widely reported, and I haven't seen an actual "news" article about it.

Watched this episode last night. Wow, Lamb being killed off! Didn't see that coming.

Honestly, this is one of the main reasons I like this show. Rob Thomas doesn't hesitate to kill a character that is liked by the viewers. I liked Beaver last season, and they killed him. It just makes the show a little more honest than others.

The jail cell scenes with Veronica were hilarious. If this is the final season, at least it's going out with a little respect (like Reba did).

After thinking about it, The CW really needs to let Rob Thomas know if they're going to renew the show for next season. If they aren't going to, Rob could really have the show go out on a bang by killing Keith, and having Veronica take over "Mars Investigations".

If the coache's wife was going to hand the .45 to Keith Mars like she said, why did she jack a shell into the chamber when she took it out of the closet?

If the coache's wife was going to hand the .45 to Keith Mars like she said, why did she jack a shell into the chamber when she took it out of the closet?

lol I know that was so odd....why was she walking around like she was about to use it too...you don't walk around with a gun like that unless you are trying to shoot someone

The jail cell scenes with Veronica were hilarious.

Did anyone get a good look at the "tattoo" on Veronica's arm? It said "Thug Life" over a drawing of a My Little Pony. :cool:

Did anyone get a good look at the "tattoo" on Veronica's arm? It said "Thug Life" over a drawing of a My Little Pony. :cool:

Yeah, I caught that. With all the references to ponies in the show, I got a chuckle out of it.

...After thinking about it, The CW really needs to let Rob Thomas know if they're going to renew the show for next season. If they aren't going to, Rob could really have the show go out on a bang by killing Keith, and having Veronica take over "Mars Investigations".

At this point, with dad being the sheriff, wouldn't she have to do that anyway?

At this point, with dad being the sheriff, wouldn't she have to do that anyway?
Do what, have Veronica kill her dad? That would be an interesting story line. :p :D

Umm, Veronica Mars is up in viewers from last year on UPN.

And the show is doing three big mysteries this season, unlike one from last year.


Link? I couldn't find anything about this.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/02212007/entertainment/theater/harry_trotter_theater_michael_riedel.htm?page=2

Has been offered the role, no confirmation of acceptance yet.

Even if she did accept the role, that is in the Spring, well after filming of the final episodes is done. How long it runs is another animal though.

Do what, have Veronica kill her dad? That would be an interesting story line. :p :D

Cute. :D

Heck, if the show is going to get canceled, it should go out with a bang. :D

Or better yet, Keith could kill Veronica by accident. He's the sheriff reporting to a call, Veronica is doing some sleuthing at the same location, and BLAM!

The Violent Femmes "Good Feeling" starts playing.

One hell of a way to end it.

Keith: Veronica, I am not your father!!:D:D

Keith: Veronica, I am not your father!!:D:D

We already established conclusively that he is her father, if you remember the first season.

yep, i know.

Judging by the most recent episode, and the previous seasons with Abel, Keith could also be sick and dying without v knowing.

yep, i know.

Judging by the most recent episode, and the previous seasons with Abel, Keith could also be sick and dying without v knowing.

Ehh, I don't follow that one. Keith doesn't seem to be the kind of person to keep something like that from V. Especially since he's always on her about not keeping things from him.

Well, that's one unexpected solution! Everyone's guilty.

Meh, seemed pretty anti-climactic to me. We've known all along that the TA was creepy. Veronica's confrontation with him in the classroom just didn't feel right. What, so he just stood there and waited for the police to arrive after she accused him?

The only thing that surprised me was that they didn't rip off his obviously bad wig and reveal some secret identity.

I didn't really care for last season's finale either. Rob Thomas seems to have a problem pulling things together at the end.

I didn't really care for last season's finale either. Rob Thomas seems to have a problem pulling things together at the end.

Well you don't have to worry about that anymore ;)


It was overall, a semi-ok conclusion...but they hinted at his guilt way too much during the episode...it was a little too obvious

It was overall, a semi-ok conclusion...but they hinted at his guilt way too much during the episode...it was a little too obvious Exactly what I was thinking while watching the episode.

It's a shame that, before tonight's episode, Tim was not even in the equation... apart from just being creepy as mentioned earlier. It just felt like this was thrown at us to put an end to this storyline. Or maybe that's the point of "the perfect murder": the complete absence of the three factors of a murder investigation as Tim had written them on the board at the end of the episode... factors that weren't brought to light until this episode.

Veronica's confrontation with him in the classroom just didn't feel right. What, so he just stood there and waited for the police to arrive after she accused him?.

Well, at least V didn't have to be rescued by some protective uber-male "white knight" ... finally. As for the rest, I think we can assume that the class would not have let creepy-TA escape ... a/o creepy-TA realized he was toast.

Great episode last night. I actually thought the last few episodes were fantastic in general, very entertaining. :p

Yeah, there were too many people in the classroom for Tim to make a run for it, and he knew that.

I must ask again - what is up with Wallace not really being a part of the show anymore? I know they're trying to save money, but what was the point in having Wallace and V got to the same college, if Wallace wasn't going to help her solve mysteries like he used to in the old days. As much as I hated the Jackie character, I long for those days because Wallace's friendship with V provided some of the best dialogue.

I'm actually looking forward to the final episodes this season. The last two have not really had mysteries-of-the-week, which I always enjoy. Yes, VM is about to become a procedural, but look how successful most procedurals on TV are. they are easy to follow, yet still entertaining.

I got to see the promo for the next episode of VM. The day after The CW sent it, they told us not to air it quite yet.

Anyway, it's very funny. Veronica, a paint ball gun, a couple of losers in a shed, with Veronica saying "Say 'What' one more time, I dare ya, I double dare ya!"

The guy says "What?"

If you've seen Pulp Fiction, you know what happens next....Laughed my ass off.

I got to see the promo for the next episode of VM. The day after The CW sent it, they told us not to air it quite yet.

Anyway, it's very funny. Veronica, a paint ball gun, a couple of losers in a shed, with Veronica saying "Say 'What' one more time, I dare ya, I double dare ya!"

The guy says "What?"

If you've seen Pulp Fiction, you know what happens next....Laughed my ass off.

Can't wait to see it! I could hear Sam Jackson in my head when I was reading your post.

We already established conclusively that he is her father, if you remember the first season.
Tricking her father into giving her a blood sample was one of the first times we saw that Veronica is one super clever chick. :)

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:(

It was good while it lasted :( :( :(

According to fredfa:

Renewed for 2007-2008
American Idol Fox
America's Funniest Home Videos ABC
Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader? Fox

...a show like Veronica Mars gets axed and Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader gets renewed????

What is the world coming to???

CW= idiots.

CW= idiots.

That's easy to say, but the ratings were simply abysmal. They really didn't have a choice. But c'mon.... we all knew this was going to happen. :(

While this may be a new "golden age of television", it's still a vast wasteland. Since LOST tumbled out of the top 10, I don't think I watch any of the shows rated high in the Nielsens. This may sound "elitist", but I feel that the highest rated shows are mostly beneath me and unworthy of my time. There really is a "dumbing down of America" going on, and the profit-driven commercial television industry is leading the way.

The best folks like us can do is just appreciate the few gems there are, and realize that they all have a very limited life span from the outset. Enjoy them while you can, and then move on.

Where is the official news that VM is cancelled?

- Tom

Now this from the TVaddict:

"Update: In an effort to ensure that rabid MARS fans don’t burn down the CW head office (not a sugestion folks), Eonline’s Kristin has updated her blog this morning. VERONICA MARS has not officially been cancelled. The powers that be are currently considering a different format for the fourth season. Kristin continues, “From what I hear, that format would leap four years into the future and focus on Veronica Mars as an FBI agent. Aside from returning star Kristen Bell (duh), the rest of the cast is yet to be determined, but it isn’t likely that many of her current co-stars would be on board. So bottom line: Veronica Mars could be: 1) spinning off into a new format, 2) returning in her college years or 3) getting canceled.” Click here for Kristin’s full report and at the very least, get ready to say goodbye to Parker and Piz."

....so, at this point, who knows????

official announcement? When do they ever have official announcements? Often I see the shows just not show up on the scheudels after a hiatus or mid season. No orders of additional episodes. Episode burn off blocks.

Yeah, sadly, it's pretty clear they've made their decision based on the fact that they simply can't sell ad time on this show anymore and all this about Rob Thomas valiantly trying to move the lead character to a different time/location is just whistling past the graveyard. They're just waiting until the first or second episode after the hiatus to make the "official" announcement. Surely, none of us expects the ratings to miraculously improve, do we? (I went through this "false hope" scenario for months on end with 'Firefly', one if the all-time great TV series even at only 14 episodes, IMO, so perhaps I'm a bit jaded. It's over, folks.)

That's easy to say, but the ratings were simply abysmal. They really didn't have a choice. But c'mon.... we all knew this was going to happen. :(
What happened to the sudden increase in ratings this season? VM had its highest rated show a couple of months ago.

What happened to the sudden increase in ratings this season? VM had its highest rated show a couple of months ago.

I haven't got time to go back and find the numbers, but I think the "sudden increase" you're speaking of meant that VM went from something like the 5th worst rated show on "big 5" network TV to the 8th worst; it was statistically irrelevant. :(

I like the idea of moving VM ahead to when she is out of school. However, I would have envisioned her as a gumshoe type of detective, rather than an FBI agent. There's already 3 or 4 shows about FBI agents, but none about a Film Noir type of detective.

I like the idea of moving VM ahead to when she is out of school. However, I would have envisioned her as a gumshoe type of detective, rather than an FBI agent. There's already 3 or 4 shows about FBI agents, but none about a Film Noir type of detective.

I agree. The FBI would be a waste of Veronica's talents, and the Bureau is overexposed on TV anyway.

If you're going to has VM in the future, have VM coming to Neptune becoming Sheriff after a stint in the FBI.

Yep, she got PO with the G men re: politics and BS! F over some senior members of the B in a Invistigaton.

If you're going to has VM in the future, have VM coming to Neptune becoming Sheriff after a stint in the FBI.I made a similar statement on the TiVo forum.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4972163&&#post4972163

Then later said that if KB wants to do a different kind of show, that's fine with me.

Just not on The CW.:)

I'd like to see VM become the owner/operator of Mars Investigations, with her father as the permanent sheriff. She would have to butt heads/end around her dad just like she did with the old sheriff. Dad would have to arrest VM from time to time to avoid conflicts of interest.

Then later said that if KB wants to do a different kind of show, that's fine with me.

Just not on The CW.


I think you've hit the nail on the head for me. As long as someone can write a witty show featuring KB, I'll be watching it, regardless what net its on or what its title is. I just hope there's no lag - KB needs to be on my TV every week.

And now for something completely different ...

Just watched the movie "Galaxy Quest" for the first time since it came out years ago and kept thinking that the "head alien" Mathesar was not only very funny but vaguely familiar.

A quick trip to IMDB after the movie and -- OMFG -- it was Veronica Mars' father!
I laughed so hard I think I damaged something ...

Props to Enrico Colantoni!

VM could dump every single character in the show except VM and her Dad, and it would still be a great show.

Kristen and Enrico are the two that sell the show.

Actually, one of the reasons I started watching VM because of Enrico, I thought he was hilarious on Just Shoot Me.

I am all for "VM joined the FBI, obviously gets kicked out, and returns to Mars Investigations in Neptune". Of course, Daddy Mars is still the sheriff. Works for me.

Oh yeah, and have HDNet pick it up instead of The CW.

If she gets booted from the FBI and ends up back in Neptune, it'd defeat the purpose of the re-tooling.

Just got word:

VM will return May 1st (we knew that)

The season finale is May 22nd, and it's a 2-hour finale to boot.

So, it's four more episodes, but since the finale is 2-hours, that's like 5 episodes.

Just trying to PULL this thread up from the depths since the show will be back on in a few days.

waiting...waiting...waiting...waiting...waiting...waiting... waiting...waiting...

- Tom

We know that these last 4 or 5 eps are going to be "stand alone" mysteries. The original plan was to see if ratings picked up with this approach. But I think we all know that's not going to happen, not with the lack of promotion and publicity for the return of the show, not at this late date. It's curtains for our favorite teen detective. :(

So, the question is: Will Rob Thomas give us a "final chapter"? Something to indicate closure? How does he handle that?

We know that these last 4 or 5 eps are going to be "stand alone" mysteries. The original plan was to see if ratings picked up with this approach. But I think we all know that's not going to happen, not with the lack of promotion and publicity for the return of the show, not at this late date. It's curtains for our favorite teen detective. :(

So, the question is: Will Rob Thomas give us a "final chapter"? Something to indicate closure? How does he handle that?

Looking forward to the return, my cable co finally added the local CW's HD channel, it will be my first time to see VM in HD. At least I'll get to see it go out in HD. :)

We know that these last 4 or 5 eps are going to be "stand alone" mysteries. The original plan was to see if ratings picked up with this approach. But I think we all know that's not going to happen, not with the lack of promotion and publicity for the return of the show, not at this late date. It's curtains for our favorite teen detective. :(

So, the question is: Will Rob Thomas give us a "final chapter"? Something to indicate closure? How does he handle that?

I've read some of the spoilers for the upcoming episodes. The teenage girls that watch the show won't like what happens, but those of us here will be in for a treat.

The season finale is just one hour, so there are five episodes left in the season:


3x16 - May 01, 2007 - Un-American Graffiti
3x17 - May 08, 2007 - Debasement Tapes
3x18 - May 15, 2007 - I Know What You'll Do Next Summer
3x19 - May 22, 2007 - Weevils Wobble But They Don't Go Down
3x20 - May 22, 2007 - The Bitch is Back

I'm so excited for the return. I love this show. :D

I'm guessing that Mom shows up in the last one, "The Bitch is Back."

That definitely seems to be a possibility. But I wouldn't know because I don't read spoilers. There are many people on that show that the term could be applied to though.

I just noticed that my CW station is broadcasting in HD. Just in time for Veronica Mars!

My first Veronica Mars in HD. I just finished watching the first 2.5 seasons on DVD and torrents. At least I will get to see five episodes in HD.

My favorite line was from Max to Mac "Did my friends hire you?"

That sucks. I love this show.

My favorite line was from Max to Mac "Did my friends hire you?"
That was funny as hell. Mac go from none to 2 :D

hope they get another season. maybe these last 5 will do the trick :cool:

I'm guessing that Mom shows up in the last one, "The Bitch is Back."
I feel like they wrapped up the story with Veronicas mom for the most part. Im thinking its Kendall Casablancas...there was a bit left unresolved from the first two episodes of this season (yeah it appears shes dead, but we never saw a body). Shes also fits the "bitch" description much better, and who doesnt want to see more Charisma Carpenter? :)

Did they resolve who shot Lamb? Sorry that my mind is not as sharp as it should be.

The new format seems to be ok, but I do miss the longer mystery already.

http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/82593/0/VM1.1.jpg

:D


http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2781/droolmv6.gif

Yeah, many more Charisma Carpenter bikini scenes.

http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/82593/0/VM1.1.jpg

:D


http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2781/droolmv6.gif

That is one great picture!!!

Welcome Back, “Veronica Mars”
By Rich Heldenfels in his Akron Beacon Journal blog May 2, 2007

It’s been too long without you …

so I may have been happier about last night’s episode than I would have been had it aired immediately after the end of the dean-murder arc. But I was just glad to have something, especially since we may be coming to the end of the series and we have to cherish it while we can.

Beyond that, it was also good that Rob Thomas did not take completely to heart the idea that these remaining episodes should be self-contained. Veronica’s romantic life — and Logan’s feelings about her — continue to be serialized. And Keith certainly hasn’t settled in as sheriff; there are too many references to “temporary” to make that plausible, especially when you factor in his shaking up of the department and the Neptune status quo.

Still, even before I began watching last night’s episode, I was remembering the experience of reading the short stories of Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett and Ross Macdonald after reading their novels. With the exception of some of Hammett’s Continental Op stories, I thought the short stories were not as good as the novels — too abrupt, too lacking in texture.

While “VM” last night was better than I feared, I can still look at the terrorism story and see how “VM” would have made a really strong, detailed multi-episode story out of it. Same thing with the bar story; I would have expected Keith to follow the money longer. We see one deputy’s indifference, but others are fired; someone’s palm had to get greased, and it wasn’t just the one bar owner doing it.

Nevertheless, I was so happy the show was back. Love the banter, love the characters — loved Wallace setting Veronica straight, for instance. I am not remotely ready for this crew to vanish into the ozone.

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/heldenfiles/2007/05/02/welcome-back-veronica-mars/#more-1078

Awesome episode...I will definitely miss Miss Mars a lot when its gone

I'm psyched VM is back, even if it's for only 4 more episodes, but last night wasn't one of the better ones. My wife and I would have enjoyed it a lot more if it had concentrated on the fake IDs theme and Parker's party; the graffiti/terrorist/can't-we-all-just-get-along thread wasn't much more than something out of an after-school special. This show is better than that -- the issue was written with a hammer when some subtlety would have been nice.

And much as we've been calling for V to wake up and smell the Piz all year, she's never shown any interest in him, so for her to instantly stop moping over Logan and respond to Piz's going all in, smacked more of "wrapping it up because we've been cancelled" then "character development." :(

Awesome episode...I will definitely miss Miss Mars a lot when its gone


Well, she did drop a comment about maybe working for the FBI.

I'm hoping that the CW will find another vehicle for Kristin.

Did they resolve who shot Lamb? Sorry that my mind is not as sharp as it should be.

Richard Grieco hit him in the head with a baseball bit.

The campaign to save “Veronica Mars”
By Diego Vasquez MediaLifeMagazine.com staff writer May 3, 2007

Over the past two years media people were among those cheering loudest when “Veronica Mars,” the CW’s smart, sassy but low-rated show about a teenage girl detective was unexpectedly renewed.

They like “Mars’” strong acting, intelligent plotlines and especially its hard-to-reach but desirable audience of women ages 12-34.

In a Media Life poll taken last year shortly before the CW’s first upfront, more than a quarter of respondents said “Mars” being canceled was their biggest concern for the new network. But one year later, “Mars” faces the same concern once again.

While its average among total viewers is up slightly from last year, as is its 18-49 average, it still loses a huge chunk of its “Gilmore Girls” lead-in. During “Mars’” recent hiatus, the low-brow reality show “Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search for the Next Doll” performed much better, averaging nearly half a million more total viewers than “Mars.”

That has increased speculation that “Mars,” which returned from a two-month break Tuesday, will be canceled. And that has spurred Cloud Watchers, a group of “Mars” fans, into action.

Last year the group dispatched a plane towing a banner reading “Renew ‘Veronica Mars’” to fly over the CW offices. Last weekend the group hired professional street teams in New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Chicago to distribute 30,000 fliers advertising the series’ return, and Cloud Watchers in other towns took to the streets themselves to hand out flyers.

The CW has not made an announcement either way on “Mars,” but current speculation is that it will be canceled. Cloud Watchers Gaby Allen of Allentown, Pa., Sarah Johnson of Chicago, Anita Nallathamby of Denver, Anna Smith of Atlanta, Kelley Spada of Los Angeles and April Zeisler from Portland, Ore/, spoke with Media Life about the “Mars” campaign and its chance at renewal.

What do you think “Veronica's” chances for renewal currently are?

It totally depends on what the network is looking for. On a strict Nielsen basis? Chances are pretty low. We know that.

People assume that campaigners like us can't read the numbers every week. Of course we can, and we certainly understand how the ratings and demos factor into ad sales and profitability. For us, however, we see the CW as a network that is trying to make its mark and establish a brand.

“Veronica Mars” may not have the highest ratings, but it provides credibility in terms of quality. And from a long-term perspective, shouldn't a new network want to send the message that quality shows that tackle difficult subjects are rewarded, not punished?

We’re less confident than we were last year at this time, but we are still hoping for a good outcome. If we can help increase the number of viewers in the next few episodes before the upfronts on the 17th, we think there will be a really good chance. And recent news from insider sources suggests the CW is high on the final five episodes, so that is always good to hear.

How did you come up with this idea?

Sarah came up with the flier campaign. Like so many “Veronica” fans, she was disappointed when she heard that the show might be taken off the air because even after three years of critical and media buzz, so many people still hadn’t heard of it.

So she tried to think of different, inexpensive ways to help get the word out. She posted her original idea—fliering mall and college campus parking lots—on Television Without Pity, and soon everyone was chiming in with their suggestions for how to make it a more effective publicity campaign.

We all worked together to craft the text, and a professional graphic designer, who is also a fan, created the flier.

Many fan efforts to save TV shows rely on a grand effort such as the "Everwood" fans' Ferris wheel or your plane stunt last year. Why did you decide to go lower-key this year?

Last year was all about appealing to the executives in a new and different way. Since executives get swamped with postcards or gifts or flowers, any attempts to get their attention by similar means would go unnoticed, so we felt we had to do something large enough that they couldn't ignore it.

Appealing to individual viewers requires an almost completely opposite approach. If you shove a plane or Ferris wheel in front of their faces, they could get turned off or feel like they are already not a part of whatever big thing is going on, and they will walk away. We wanted to go totally grassroots.

Most people who watch “Grey’s Anatomy” and “Lost” have probably never heard of “Veronica Mars.” Our flier not only tells them what the show is and when it is on, but it also lets them know that the creators of their favorite shows are already watching.

That little piece of information is usually enough to make most people tune in at least once. “[“Buffy the Vampire Slayer” creator] Joss Whedon called it the ‘Best. Show. Ever.’ I have to check this out!”

So this campaign wasn’t lower-key so much as wider-spread. Last year we were targeting a very small group of decision makers in Los Angeles. This year the idea was to get the ratings up for the season’s final five episodes.

How much of this is an appeal to the CW, to show what a loyal fan base the show has, and how much is simply to get people to watch the show?

This campaign is totally about getting people to watch. The truth is, unless you are a superfan of a show like “Veronica” or “Supernatural” or “One Tree Hill,” you probably have no idea what is on the CW each night.

Most people have never heard of “Veronica Mars” and if they have heard of it, they have no clue what it is about. We thought it was about time that changed.

Is it good if the CW executives notice? Of course.

We hope they realize that the loyal viewers of the programs they currently have are the people who are also getting the network’s name out to the masses.

But we also know that “Veronica Mars” has lasted three years on the faith of the network, and what she needs now, more than anything else, is higher ratings.

How helpful do you think such campaigns are in getting shows renewed?

Well, if this campaign is successful and it gets “Veronica” additional viewers? Very!

We know that is what the network is looking for at this point. Clearly “7th Heaven” got a reprieve last year when it hit an 11th-hour ratings spike.

We know the network wants “Veronica” to succeed. If she gets a ratings increase from this campaign, and we prove that it is possible for the show to attract new viewers, even three seasons in, then we believe the network will take notice.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/printer_11806.asp

It may help VM that Gilmore Girls won't be coming back next season. That's another open spot.

Yeah, put the Pussycat Dolls first, and see what VM does with that.

I'm still wondering if it's a coincidence that Gilmore Girls got canned the day after Rob Thomas showed the network the FBI Veronica Pilot.

Things that make you go hmmmm?

GG "got canned" because Bleidel didn't want to come back. From what I hear, the network offered her mad money and she turned it down. So no "hmmm" there.

GG "got canned" because Bleidel didn't want to come back. From what I hear, the network offered her mad money and she turned it down. So no "hmmm" there.

So you know this for a fact? I heard she wanted more money. Of course, this is from the internet, so we'll probably never know the truth.

It's funny, if true, that one person (Bleidel) doesn't want to come back, so a hundred or so people are now out of a job. I bet she's a very popular girl right now.

Piz seems to have gotten a job on the GREYS ANATOMY spin-off lol! I was like OH MY GOD PIZ when they first showed him

And Kieth was on CSI-LV Wednseday night.

Just found this thread and am a little new to the forums here. Been watching VM since I saw S1 on DVD just before start of S2. Great show, great writing, great acting. Plus all the constant referencing to pop culture (especially loved "the shocker") is very reminiscent of my early love for the Simpsons which has faded. This is a great show to take its place. It's also taken the place of my Arrested Development (AD) addiction and subsequent heartbreak due to their untimely ending of the show.

I didn't read every single page of the thread, but there seems to be suggestions that the show is going away. Has this been confirmed? Just another great show gone. The fact that AD and VM had such low ratings and the fact hat According to Jim remains on the air is making me lose faith in the tv watching public. Oh, I never had faith in them...curses.

Anyway...great thread.

I didn't read every single page of the thread, but there seems to be suggestions that the show is going away. Has this been confirmed? Just another great show gone. The fact that AD and VM had such low ratings and the fact hat According to Jim remains on the air is making me lose faith in the tv watching public. Oh, I never had faith in them...curses.

Anyway...great thread.

It has not been confirmed. But the speculation and rumors are strong.

I sure hope it gets renewed. It's a a great show.

I finally got this week's episode. I had a power outage in the middle of the recording, but a friend of mine capped it. I liked the episode, there was a lot of things going on.

I loved that Wallace got caught in the bar by Keith.

Also, gotta give props to Piz for going all out after Veronica. Personally, I think the show is better when Veronica and Logan aren't dating, rather slinging jabs at each other.

And this show gets picked up, and they go the FBI route, they better keep at least two people on the show somehow: Keith Mars and Dick Casablancas. Dick is hilarious.

btw, this isn't a spoiler. But it was speculated a few posts ago about the finale "The Bitch Is Back." I watched an interview with Rob Thomas, and the bitch is Veronica. He said if you think Veronica has been bitchy in the past, she's about to take it to a new level.

There will be two people on the show from the past, but I won't spoil that part.

TV Guide Exclusive:
"Glimmer of Hope" for “Veronica Mars”
By Michael Ausiello TV Guide

This is why I always tell you people that it ain't over till it's over: According to my CW moles, bless their hairy little hearts, the odds of Veronica Mars being renewed just went from "so-so" to "pretty good."

Suddenly, per my spy, "There's a glimmer of hope." Here's why:

• Since Gilmore Girls is packing it in, the network suddenly has an extra hour of prime real estate available. What are they gonna do, renew 7th Heaven again? (That was a joke, CW. Don't get any ideas.)

• CW prez Dawn Ostroff is said to have responded very favorably to the trailer that series creator Rob Thomas shot for a potential reworking of the show with VM as an FBI agent (think Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs, only with way better hair and funnier dialogue). What's more, sources whisper to me that on the strength of that presentation, Thomas and Co. have been asked for more deets of the proposed revamp.

• Big changes are afoot — starting at the very top. "They've talked about a title change," says my spy. (Hey, if the quality remains the same, they can call it Veronica Mars Presents: The Search for the Next Pussycat Doll for all I — and I suspect all of us V fans — care.) Furthermore, there would likely be a major cast shake-up, with Bell the only guaranteed carryover.

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Glimmer-Hope/800014541

I hope they keep her dad. And every sleuth star these days still needs a super computer nerd sidekick.

- Tom

And in the old days, too. Even Sherlock Holmes had his Watson.

Good news so far.

I'm wincing away on the hopes of renewal for full season pickups of Friday Night Lights and Veronica Mars.

I hope they keep her dad. And every sleuth star these days still needs a super computer nerd sidekick.

- Tom

I've always thought the same. They can get rid of the entire cast, and introduce new members, but they have to keep Veronica and Keith. Their banter is some of the best.

And just for humor purposes alone, I'd like to see Dick stay around also.

So The CW wanted to see how the show would do as stand-alone episodes...and the numbers were disappointing. My question is, why would you expect anything different? Its not like the promos on TV said "now with wrapped-up storylines!" and whatnot. The networks pander to the casual viewer that watches whatevers on, yet only those of us that actually read TV news and care about our shows would know what was planned for VM.

So The CW wanted to see how the show would do as stand-alone episodes...and the numbers were disappointing. My question is, why would you expect anything different? Its not like the promos on TV said "now with wrapped-up storylines!" and whatnot. The networks pander to the casual viewer that watches whatevers on, yet only those of us that actually read TV news and care about our shows would know what was planned for VM.

Because every rating point matters at the moment, a lot of things have to happen in tandem to help get audience to VM. In the LA DMA (2nd largest market), it was pre-empted. While it will show on Saturday -- Nielsen likely won't count the time slot (it was local news) and it also will likely will leave VM will a smaller audience for this week -- I think LA could account for as much as 100k viewers, but I am not sure.

Rasheed

^Im trying to figure out what that has to do with arc vs stand-alone and casual viewers knowing about it, but I just dont see it.

Great episode yesterday...I can't believe they will throw away such a great, well-written show...I will sorely miss it if they do indeed cancel it

HEADS UP!!!!

VM on tonight (Debasement Tapes episode).

If you live in LA this will be your opportunity to watch it.

That's also a pretty good episode as well....

The 2007-2008 Season
“Veronica Mars” Apparently Cancelled
CW picks up dramas
By Josef Adalian Variety May 15, 2007

The CW has officially greenlit three dramas and two unscripted magazine shows — and it's looking like the sun is going down on "Veronica Mars."

Definitely gone: "All of Us," the Will Smith-produced laffer that ran for three seasons on UPN and CW.

Returning shows snagging official pickups: Laffers "Girlfriends" and "The Game," and dramas "Smallville," "Supernatural" and “One Tree Hill." CW picked up "Everybody Hates Chris" for a third season earlier this spring

And while nothing's official, people familiar with the situation said "Mars" was, indeed, canceled. Word on the street was that "Mars" creator-exec producer Rob Thomas has been offered a showrunner gig on CBS' "Viva Laughlin."

As expected, execs at the Green net Tuesday called the producers of "Gossip Girl," "Reaper" and a remake of Blighty family drama "Wild at Heart" to give them the good news. After some last-minute snags, comedy "Aliens in America" also got the go-ahead Tuesday afternoon.

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=print_story&articleid=VR1117964957&categoryid=14

:(

:(

2nd...bettter soak in all the VMars we can over the next two weeks :(

Hopefully she will live on in syndication. Anyone from HDNET listening???

Hopefully she will live on in syndication. Anyone from HDNET listening???


2nd that. Would work well there.

This is terrible news if VM is cancelled. This is my first season watching and I really enjoyed VM.

Tonight's episode was rather boring. A two hour season finale (and possibly the final two hours of VM forever) next week.

I notice last night they didn't specifically say SERIES FINALE...it only said SEASON FINALE....I'm still holding out hope that they can continue the greatness that is Veronica Mars...

I love how they are tying up plot-lines...they talked about a lot of old stuff this episode...Fitz-Patricks, Kendall's death, Dick's dad returning...and now Wallace is going to AFRICA?!?!

I notice last night they didn't specifically say SERIES FINALE...it only said SEASON FINALE....I'm still holding out hope that they can continue the greatness that is Veronica Mars...

I love how they are tying up plot-lines...they talked about a lot of old stuff this episode...Fitz-Patricks, Kendall's death, Dick's dad returning...and now Wallace is going to AFRICA?!?!

Pretty sure the ship has sailed.

:(

2.24M viewers last night...

"The light the burns twice as bright, burns half as long ..."

"So long and thanks for all the fish." :)

Perhaps KB will take a turn back to the dark side now ... ;)

I don't think the picture quality has been better. I'd almost believe it was shot on 35mm in many parts.

The 2007-2008 Season
“Veronica Mars” Apparently Cancelled
CW picks up dramas
By Josef Adalian Variety May 15, 2007

The CW has officially greenlit three dramas and two unscripted magazine shows — and it's looking like the sun is going down on "Veronica Mars."

Definitely gone: "All of Us," the Will Smith-produced laffer that ran for three seasons on UPN and CW.

Returning shows snagging official pickups: Laffers "Girlfriends" and "The Game," and dramas "Smallville," "Supernatural" and “One Tree Hill." CW picked up "Everybody Hates Chris" for a third season earlier this spring.

I friggin' hate Variety, with their stupid little made-up industry jargon. "Laffer"? Ugh. How can anyone stand to read that rag?

I friggin' hate Variety, with their stupid little made-up industry jargon. "Laffer"? Ugh. How can anyone stand to read that rag?

whatever you say Johnny Drama :D

I friggin' hate Variety, with their stupid little made-up industry jargon. "Laffer"? Ugh. How can anyone stand to read that rag?

How can anyone who is a working person in the biz side of the entertainment industry stand to not read it? DV is far bigger than the Reporter and is essential reading on a daily basis.

def looks like they knew it was ending or just nicely wrapping this side up to start the new spin-off or version 2 lol

I friggin' hate Variety, with their stupid little made-up industry jargon. "Laffer"? Ugh. How can anyone stand to read that rag?
I agree, I'm not an English major but what Variety does to the English language is disgusting, their cute little insider vocabulary makes me sick every time I see something from them. The funny thing is, they've got all sorts of writers, yet they all use that crap, lots of individuality at that publication. :rolleyes:

How can anyone who is a working person in the biz side of the entertainment industry stand to not read it? DV is far bigger than the Reporter and is essential reading on a daily basis.

Another reason I'm glad I'm not in the "biz". I would be embarrassed to be seen carrying around a copy of that insult to the English language. Just reading that blurb made me throw up in my mouth a little.

I agree, I'm not an English major but what Variety does to the English language is disgusting, their cute little insider vocabulary makes me sick every time I see something from them.

What's worse is that it's not even real insider jargon. It's all crap that they've made up for their publication alone.

The funny thing is, they've got all sorts of writers, yet they all use that crap, lots of individuality at that publication. :rolleyes:

Well, no doubt it's part of their official style guide. The editor imposes that style on every writer.

Well, no doubt it's part of their official style guide. The editor imposes that style on every writer.


I've said it once, I've said it dozens of times: They are all wanabee screenwriters (or rejects) patheticly screaming "Look see how clever and smart we are at twisting the language and turning a phrase ..."

It's like tats and piercings: "Look, see how rebellious and independent I am ... nevermind that I did it to fit in with the in-crowd." ;) :D

It's official. VM is not on the CW fall schedule. That sucks.

ugh

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=262459&GT1=7703

:(

This is not my week, first Jericho and now Mars. Earlier this season it was Vanished. Last year it was Invasion. I wonder if another network like TNT would be interested in Mars?

It had intelligent writing and three dimensional characters. How could that stack up against much greater shows like Watch Me Open A Suitcase?

It had intelligent writing and three dimensional characters. How could that stack up against much greater shows like Watch Me Open A Suitcase?

I literally LOLed there...thank you

Seriously, NATIONAL BINGO NIGHT

YAY!

How can anyone who is a working person in the biz side of the entertainment industry stand to not read it? DV is far bigger than the Reporter and is essential reading on a daily basis.

I'm with JoshZ on this one. I've had a subscription to THR for about 15 years, but I can't stand to read Variety. And it is really all because of the made-up jargon. Maybe (but probably not) publicists really used that language back in the 30's or 40's, but in the contemporary world, it is just silly and takes away from the newspaper's credibility.

This is not my week, first Jericho and now Mars. Earlier this season it was Vanished. Last year it was Invasion. I wonder if another network like TNT would be interested in Mars?

I still think USA would be a good place for it to go. An 8pm slot before Monk and Psych on Friday would make a great crime night and fit in with their "characters welcome" theme.

I'm with JoshZ on this one. I've had a subscription to THR for about 15 years, but I can't stand to read Variety. And it is really all because of the made-up jargon. Maybe (but probably not) publicists really used that language back in the 30's or 40's, but in the contemporary world, it is just silly and takes away from the newspaper's credibility.

I get both but the Reporter is basically hanging by a thread with it's well documented trials lately with continued cost cutting and exodus of top reporters. Plus the Reporter has had several scandals in recent years. There's no doubt that Variety is considered by far the more credible source and it has a much higher circulation, regardless of the cute verbiage.

ugh

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=262459&GT1=7703

:(

:( indeed. And I for one and pretty bummed that the show is going out with such a profound whimper. These 3 latest eps have been all-time bad (meaning they'd be pretty good eps for just about any other show).

So...is this what VM would have been like without the story arcs? A show like this would have been canceled during its first season, and I probably wouldn't have noticed.

I did just read though that VM is not totally cancelled for sure.. they are still in talks to bring it back with VM in FBI training which if the writing were the same could be a good show. It shoulds like it is a serious possibility.

I did just read though that VM is not totally cancelled for sure.. they are still in talks to bring it back with VM in FBI training which if the writing were the same could be a good show. It shoulds like it is a serious possibility.The show was officially cancelled today from the E-Online blog:

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=366beef5-946d-4c9c-a216-b41e60e2a07f&entry=index

Here is the snip:
Out with the Old
13 minutes ago
by Sarah Hall

The CW has officially bid farewell to three of its flagship series—7th Heaven, Gilmore Girls and cult fave Veronica Mars—while lining up a new slate of programming that includes Life is Wild, a drama about a family that moves from New York City to a lodge in South Africa; Gossip Girl, a show about an unseen teen blogger who chronicles the lives of rich Manhattan socialites; and Farmer Wants a Wife, a dating competition where city women vie for the affections of a country boy. Full Story

:( indeed. And I for one and pretty bummed that the show is going out with such a profound whimper. These 3 latest eps have been all-time bad (meaning they'd be pretty good eps for just about any other show).

So...is this what VM would have been like without the story arcs? A show like this would have been canceled during its first season, and I probably wouldn't have noticed.

That's true. They basically neutered most everything about VM that made it such a superior show for this last pod of episodes. And for what? Did they really believe there would be an audience uptick at this late date simply because they dumbed the show down? That's, well...... dumb. :rolleyes:

They tried the same thing with another great, smart show that struggled in the ratings a few years ago: 'Boomtown'. That didn't work, either. And those who refuse to learn from history...... well, you know the rest.

An interesting summary:


Live CW Upfront Coverage; The Verdict on Veronica Mars
TV Guide: May 17, 2007

Michael Ausiello blogs from the upfronts:

11:01 The Pussycat Dolls are performing "Doncha you wish your girlfriend was hot like me." All I think while watching them bump and grind up there is "you bitches may've killed Veronica!"

11:16 We're getting our first glimpse of Gossip... And OMG, Kristen bell really is narrating the thing. (exclusive scoopbit; Schwartz told me moments ago on the red carpet that Kristen will likely be replaced if VM gets picked up.)

11:23 The cast walks on stage. they're doing a little shtick in character — and Kristen's narrating that too. It's almost like she's standing backstage with a microphone. Kristen, come out and tell us everything is going to be OK!!!!

12:28 First question, asked by me: "Is Veronica dead?"

12;29 OK, here it is in a nutshell, per dawn ostroff. Veronica Mars is dead. But, and there is a but, she says she's "talking to Rob and Kristen" about doing something else. She's not calling it a spin-off, and wouldn't say whether it would feature the character of Veronica. Translation; I'm as confused as ever!

12:33 I will try and get more clarification on this. Please stand by...

12:36 OK, a reporter just asked a VM follow-up — and Dawn continues to dodge. She says they're discussing "an idea," but adds, "I don't think it's going to happen."

12;47 The press conference is over. I tackle dawn just as she tries to escape and I ask her to level with me. Is Veronica dead? "Veronica Mars is over, but we're talking about something else. I don't know if it's going to be anything. I'm being honest with you. It could come back in some form, but I don't know what form that would be." She confirmed that the deadline to make a decision is "somewhere around" the June 15 date i referred to previously. Long story short: mystery still not solved!

An interesting summary:


Live CW Upfront Coverage; The Verdict on Veronica Mars
TV Guide: May 17, 2007

Michael Ausiello blogs from the upfronts:

11:01 The Pussycat Dolls are performing "Doncha you wish your girlfriend was hot like me." All I think while watching them bump and grind up there is "you bitches may've killed Veronica!"

11:16 We're getting our first glimpse of Gossip... And OMG, Kristen bell really is narrating the thing. (exclusive scoopbit; Schwartz told me moments ago on the red carpet that Kristen will likely be replaced if VM gets picked up.)

11:23 The cast walks on stage. they're doing a little shtick in character — and Kristen's narrating that too. It's almost like she's standing backstage with a microphone. Kristen, come out and tell us everything is going to be OK!!!!

12:28 First question, asked by me: "Is Veronica dead?"

12;29 OK, here it is in a nutshell, per dawn ostroff. Veronica Mars is dead. But, and there is a but, she says she's "talking to Rob and Kristen" about doing something else. She's not calling it a spin-off, and wouldn't say whether it would feature the character of Veronica. Translation; I'm as confused as ever!

12:33 I will try and get more clarification on this. Please stand by...

12:36 OK, a reporter just asked a VM follow-up — and Dawn continues to dodge. She says they're discussing "an idea," but adds, "I don't think it's going to happen."

12;47 The press conference is over. I tackle dawn just as she tries to escape and I ask her to level with me. Is Veronica dead? "Veronica Mars is over, but we're talking about something else. I don't know if it's going to be anything. I'm being honest with you. It could come back in some form, but I don't know what form that would be." She confirmed that the deadline to make a decision is "somewhere around" the June 15 date i referred to previously. Long story short: mystery still not solved!

lol its over...

The show was officially cancelled today from the E-Online blog:

The CW has officially bid farewell to three of its flagship series—7th Heaven, Gilmore Girls and cult fave Veronica Mars—while lining up a new slate of programming that includes Life is Wild, a drama about a family that moves from New York City to a lodge in South Africa; Gossip Girl, a show about an unseen teen blogger who chronicles the lives of rich Manhattan socialites; and Farmer Wants a Wife, a dating competition where city women vie for the affections of a country boy. Full Story

I don't think you could make up any worse ideas for TV shows.

Veronica Mars was once one of my favorite shows, season 1 and 2 had me on the edge of my seat much of the time. When they went to the mini-arc this season I still enjoyed the show but something was missing and the show has headed down hill since.

To be honest I'm not that sad that VM was canceled, its been almost a chore to watch the show lately

Veronica Mars was once one of my favorite shows, season 1 and 2 had me on the edge of my seat much of the time. When they went to the mini-arc this season I still enjoyed the show but something was missing and the show has headed down hill since.

To be honest I'm not that sad that VM was canceled, its been almost a chore to watch the show lately

I agree, the mini-arcs did hamper the show. I was really looking forward to the FBI Veronica, and after watching last week's episode, they were setting everything up perfectly for the 4-year jump.

While Veronica Mars may be dead, I'd love to see The CW give the FBI idea a chance (even if it's a 6-episode mini-series), with a different title.

From the looks of their schedule, this would fit nicely with Reaper (whom Kevin Smith is the producer). That would be two-hours of great dialog.

Veronica Mars was once one of my favorite shows, season 1 and 2 had me on the edge of my seat much of the time. When they went to the mini-arc this season I still enjoyed the show but something was missing and the show has headed down hill since.

To be honest I'm not that sad that VM was canceled, its been almost a chore to watch the show lately

I agree, the mini-arcs did hamper the show. I was really looking forward to the FBI Veronica, and after watching last week's episode, they were setting everything up perfectly for the 4-year jump.

While Veronica Mars may be dead, I'd love to see The CW give the FBI idea a chance (even if it's a 6-episode mini-series), with a different title.

From the looks of their schedule, this would fit nicely with Reaper (whom Kevin Smith is the producer). That would be two-hours of great dialog. Guess we'll find out by June 15th.

I honestly thought the show was in trouble during season two. The first season was brilliantly mapped out. Veronica's getting to the bottom of her friend's murder (returning in flashbacks and video tape) fit in perfectly with the subplots and it was going to be hard to top that. The bus-crash plot of season two wasn't as interesting and the ending wasn't as surprising. The Neptune culture was interesting too and that was gone by season three.

FYI: unless they've shot backup material, don't look for a nice, tidy wrap-up tonight. Rob Thomas had previously said that when he developed these final episodes, he deliberately didn't set them up to create a close-out for the series -- in fact, he wanted to make it as hard as possible for the network to not bring the show back. He had planned for carry-over into the next season's storylines, so there will almost certainly be quite a few things left hanging.

I have loved all three seasons. Veronica was my wife, daughter and my replacement for Buffy. Hopefully there will be a new one for us to choose as a replacement for the replacement next season. Will the networks be giving my family a new chosen one? Only time will tell but I'm pretty sure it won't be singing vampires! :D

FYI: unless they've shot backup material, don't look for a nice, tidy wrap-up tonight. Rob Thomas had previously said that when he developed these final episodes, he deliberately didn't set them up to create a close-out for the series -- in fact, he wanted to make it as hard as possible for the network to not bring the show back. He had planned for carry-over into the next season's storylines, so there will almost certainly be quite a few things left hanging.

yeah its all about some sex-tape...pretty classy way to end the show...:-/

I thought that the 2 hour series finale was very good. I thought the comment by Piz regarding Rob Thomas was hilarious.

Veronica Mars...You will be missed.

:( :( :(

....those were classic Veronica Mars episodes...both of them...both amazing.

I can't believe this show can't find an audience...its so much better than 95% of the trash on TV...

Oh well...My own version will include Sheriff Mars continuing to be Sheriff Mars and Veronica will go on to become a lead field agent at the FBI. After college and her love triangle between Pizz and Logan, she'll realize that neither are right for her and move to Washington DC where she'll meet a young analyst working for a consulting company. Dating will be brief and marriage be had in the Spring...


Oh we can dream...



....we'd have good looking children :D

I thought that the 2 hour series finale was very good. I thought the comment by Piz regarding Rob Thomas was hilarious.

Veronica Mars...You will be missed.

A very fitting comment for tonight...and yes, she will be....

Dick had some great one-liners...really great ones...

I will miss this show. But I have an image engraved in my mind of Veronica arriving for her FBI internship, hard drive in hand.

- Tom

Awesome episodes tonight. Just amazing. What I most loved about them was how the season finale effectively served as a cliffhanger/season/series finale.

Also really enjoyed how all the characters were used to great effect in both episodes, and how the entire two hours (especially the last episode) had a season 1 vibe to them.

Couldn't be more satisfied.

The final episode was as good as any. I'm saddened at the realization that we live in a world where wealthy patrons of the arts pay tens of millions of dollars for squiggles on canvas, yet no one will bankroll this far superior and more culturally relevent work of art.

Oh well. To quote Veronica, "Tragedy blows through your life like a tornado, uprooting everything. Creating chaos. You wait for the dust to settle and then you choose. You can live in the wreckage and pretend it's still the mansion you remember. Or you can crawl from the rubble and slowly rebuild. "

I thought that the 2 hour series finale was very good. I thought the comment by Piz regarding Rob Thomas was hilarious.

Veronica Mars...You will be missed.
it was like a double jab, good fun as usual :cool:

:( :( :(
I can't believe this show can't find an audience...its so much better than 95% of the trash on TV...

especially on The CW. Fredfa can provide the stats either way but this show had a following.

guess Ill only be taping Chris next season, unless they move it to thursday like upn had it.

I can def see the new shows not working and the execs begging RT if he has somethin else. They could def jump ahead to her finishing the internship/college and going into the FBI.

Best episodes of the season really....really reminded me how good this show has been in a way, and that even though 3 seasons seems somewhat fair given the ratings, its ashame to see it go. I dont know what the budget of this show is, but it sure would be nice if some cable network could pick it up.

My hope is that The CW realized something when considering to renew: that no matter what you do to the show, the people that havent watched for 3 years arent going to all of a sudden tune in...to them, they see the title and see nothing different. So the best way to do this is cancel Veronica Mars, but do the FBI fast forward idea as a new show...that just happens to star Kristen Bell...who hopefully happens to be named Veronica Mars....and may occasionally feature certain actors who used to appear on some show called Veronica Mars.

Before the start of the 2 hour finale CW was calling Veronica Mars a Season Finale. They even had promos promoting it was on @ 9:00 on Tuesdays. Wouldn't the network advertise it as a Series Finale not a Season Finale? They called Gilmore Girls last episode a Series Finale..Just curious...

I really enjoyed the final two as well. Compared to the Uganda snooze fest from last week, they were gold. Reminded me a lot of season one, and why I enjoyed the show in the first place.

BTW, If anybody gets a copy of Veronica's sex tape in their email, could you forward it to me please? kthnxbye

:D

Before the start of the 2 hour finale CW was calling Veronica Mars a Season Finale. They even had promos promoting it was on @ 9:00 on Tuesdays. Wouldn't the network advertise it as a Series Finale not a Season Finale? They called Gilmore Girls last episode a Series Finale..Just curious...


My wife had the same thought, but unfortunately everything seems to point to it being cancelled. We'd give anything for it to get even just one more year, to wrap things up a little neater. We both felt totally unsatisfied with the many loose ends we were left with. Great eps, don't get me wrong, just not the way to end such a great show.

"This new wetsuit is like a cheap hotel... No ballroom..." -Dick

Knowing how good the finale was, and knowing it WAS the finale was a double blow.

I do hope, as I posted earlier, that some enlightened network (that broadcasts in HD, please) will at least pick up the reruns.

it
especially on The CW. Fredfa can provide the stats either way but this show had a following.



Not much of one, sadly. The ratings were beyond anemic, which is hard to understand, given the hard-core following of relatively bright people this show had. The skank-wannabees of 'Pussycat Dolls' and the vacuous mannequins of 'Top Model' drew far more viewers for the CW Network. Interpret that as you will; I know how I see it. :rolleyes:

Well, those eps last night were tons better than the previous 3. At least the show went out on a high note. I wouldn't say last night's finale was vintage VM, but they were probably among the best eps they've had this year.

WILL...V ever forgive Logan?
WILL...Logan get whacked by the Neptune mob?
WILL...Keith be reelected sheriff?
WILL...Keith get in trouble for tampering with evidence?

For these answers and more, tune in...NEVER!!!

:mad:

It's not like the CW is overloaded with hits as it is, but replacing VM with another edition of Search For the Next Dancing Tranny Skank Ho? Come on. I know they have to program to the lowest common denominator, but isn't that what loss leaders are all about? Show some taste!

Sigh.

Not much of one, sadly. The ratings were beyond anemic, which is hard to understand, given the hard-core following of relatively bright people this show had. The skank-wannabees of 'Pussycat Dolls' and the vacuous mannequins of 'Top Model' drew far more viewers for the CW Network. Interpret that as you will; I know how I see it. :rolleyes:
thats why I said stats and not actual :rolleyes: ;)

From fred's overnights:

and the series-finale of The CW’s Veronica Mars (1.9/ 3). Sorry Veronica Mars fans -- it’s officially over.

(From Marc Berman’s Wednesday, May 23, 2007, Programming Insider column and blog at Mediaweek.com )

9:00 PM Nielsen Fast National overnight ratings

Dancing With the Stars (ABC) 23.22 million viewers (Adults 18-49: 7.9 ratings, 22 share)
Sea Change (CBS) 12.98 million viewers (A 18-49: 2.5/6)
On The Lot (Fox) 8.97 million viewers (A 18-49: 4.1/10)
Law & Order: Criminal Intent (repeat, NBC) 6’55 million viewers (A 18-49: 2.3/6)
Veronica Mars (CW) 2.14 million viewers (A 18-49 0.9/2)

• Source: Nielsen Media Research data
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/15610835

Rob Thomas hints at possible Veronica Mars Feature Movie... (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Veronica-Mars/800015752)

um yes...

I think you're all ignoring the single biggest disappointment about the season finale:

Everyone else in Neptune got to see Veronica naked but we didn't! :D

Rob Thomas hints at possible Veronica Mars Feature Movie... (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Veronica-Mars/800015752)

um yes...

Would love it to be true, but the person who wrote that blog is forgetting how seriously Serenity bombed at the box office.

Would love it to be true, but the person who wrote that blog is forgetting how seriously Serenity bombed at the box office.

Made a profit overall though ;) with the Worldwide DVD sales...and with Universal double-dipping, profit can only go up :)

You know you're going to be buying the SE because of the DTS track...I am and I already have the original R1 and PAL R4 2-Disc from Australia

Anyway, the TiVo EPG was shoing it as a "Series Finale"...

Probably one of the best cliff-hanger finale (better than "24" definitely)... To bad it was for the "Series".

Hong.

Would love it to be true, but the person who wrote that blog is forgetting how seriously Serenity bombed at the box office.

The one catch is that Serenity was a (relatively) big budget studio movie. VM could definitely be done as a $3 million indie film as long as the above the line people are willing to work for the right price. I doubt it will happen anyway...

Made a profit overall though ;) with the Worldwide DVD sales...and with Universal double-dipping, profit can only go up :)

Studios don't produce movies to break even or make a small profit. They produce movies to be huge money-making hits. If they don't believe that's likely to happen, they don't make the movie.

I justed watched the last two episodes and they were freaking great, at least they went out strong.

VM used to be a show I watched live even though I have a DVR, these last two shows reminded me why I liked the show so much to begin with.

Studios don't produce movies to break even or make a small profit. They produce movies to be huge money-making hits. If they don't believe that's likely to happen, they don't make the movie.
If that were true, studios would only release twenty films a year. They actually make a lot of special interest movies that they know won't make a hundred million dollars. The multiscreen suburban cineplexes only show the big time blockbusters. There are a lot more movies out there in other theaters that never got TV ads.

Just look at how many movies are released on DVD every year. Only a fraction of those got wide releases.

A movie would be great....but you know what I'd settle for?

A 1/2 hour special with Veronica and her Dad sitting down to one of his famous dinners...discussing the events that were left hanging. It would be relatively inexpensive to produce and would provide a sense of closure.

Hey, I can dream right?

Just look at how many movies are released on DVD every year. Only a fraction of those got wide releases.

I think you are confusing studio releases with indie films. While the studios do have direct to video divisions now, the vast majority of content that is released on TV/video after either a very limited theatrical release or no public theatrical release at all come from the indie film world.

And I qualify that last statement with no "public" release because under the SAG Low Budget agreements in place, all films must be exhibited in a theater before being released on TV or video or you get hit with major penalties. Every film produced under those agreements play in at least one theater but generally at extremely odd hours and just one or two showings purposely out of the public eye if the only intent is to satisfy the SAG rules.

I think you are confusing studio releases with indie films.
Are you saying that movies from Weinstein and Lion's Gate aren't studio releases?

Did you think Sony expected to make hundreds of millions of dollars releasing "Black Book" featuring Sebastian Koch and Carice Van Houten, or "The Valet" starring Gad Elmaleh and Daniel Auteuil or "The Lives of Others" starring Ulrich Muehe and Martina Gedeck? Why would they bother if they're not going to be big hits? All three of these movies are in theaters right now, although not in thousands of theaters and probably not at your mall Googleplex.

Fox Searchlight Pictures and Newline Cinema are divisions of big studios that serve to release lower-budget pictures that are not going to be huge hits yet will still make a decent profit.

Are you saying that movies from Weinstein and Lion's Gate aren't studio releases?

Did you think Sony expected to make hundreds of millions of dollars releasing "Black Book" featuring Sebastian Koch and Carice Van Houten, or "The Valet" starring Gad Elmaleh and Daniel Auteuil or "The Lives of Others" starring Ulrich Muehe and Martina Gedeck? Why would they bother if they're not going to be big hits? All three of these movies are in theaters right now, although not in thousands of theaters and probably not at your mall Googleplex.

Fox Searchlight Pictures and Newline Cinema are divisions of big studios that serve to release lower-budget pictures that are not going to be huge hits yet will still make a decent profit.

First of all, you're completely misunderstanding the business and the differences between a studio film and an indie film. A studio film is FINANCED by a studio. An indie film is financed INDEPENDENTLY(can be private equity, film funds, pre-sales, etc). All of the films you named above were financed independently and then were put on the market for acquisition in territories around the world. In the cases you named, the films were bought in the US by art house arms of studios but they were not studio films.

Black Book was not financed by Sony Picture Classics, it was an acquisition for them to distribute the film in the States. The producers (and financiers) of that film will make their money selling it worldwide, with the US being only one market. It has different distributors in different territories around the world. In France, as one example, Black Book is being released by Pathe. The Lives of Others was also an independent film (and one that took years to get proper financing) that was eventually picked up for distribution.

There are over 1000 indie films made every year, which is why the festival circuit has exploded.

Just because a film was released theatrically by a certain company doesn't mean they commissioned it to be made. For example, when Fox Searchlight buys a film at Sundance, it is still an indie film (financed independently and then picked up for distribution). An acquisition is a totally different animal than when a studio produces a film. Because indie films make their money from (hopefully) successfully selling many territories, no distributor in a single territory risks much. The amount of money SPC spent on either Black Book or The Lives Of Others wouldn't finance three days of production on one of Sony's studio movies. The films are not acquired with the hopes of making huge money, there's not a lot of risk in terms of financial investment and thus, the goals in terms of rewards are much lower. Sometimes the film breaks out and the company does get a major reward.

Another good example of a successful indie film was Garden State. It was financed for $2.5 million by a single individual who had made a fortune in real estate. It went to Sundance and was acquired by Fox Searchlight. In no way, shape or form is Garden State a studio film.

Beyond that, Sony Picture Classics and Fox Searchlight are two of hundreds of companies acquiring and releasing independent films. The studios have gotten in on the act because so many companies were making money in that arena, most of the companies are ones that non-industry insiders would not be familar with.

To just further elaborate on what luckytwn explained above, we should clarify that the concept and character of Veronica Mars are owned outright by Warner Bros as its production studio. Therefore, don't get any ideas about Rob Thomas finding independent financing and making an indie movie out of it. Warner wouldn't allow it.

To just further elaborate on what luckytwn explained above, we should clarify that the concept and character of Veronica Mars are owned outright by Warner Bros as its production studio. Therefore, don't get any ideas about Rob Thomas finding independent financing and making an indie movie out of it. Warner wouldn't allow it.

Not that I think it will happen but depending on his relationship with them, it's not completely inconceivable since they presumably have no further plans with the character. It's not like there's going to be a Veronica Mars film franchise in the future for them to protect. If it was something he really wanted to do, for the sake of good will, they might make a deal with him on the character rights. It's not like there's big financial stakes on something like this from the WB end at this point. Plus, no question any deal would give WB a piece (and likely first refusal on distribution) in the unbelievably unlikely event it exploded huge.

But again, I don't think there's much chance it could or would happen.

Not that I think it will happen but depending on his relationship with them, it's not completely inconceivable since they presumably have no further plans with the character. It's not like there's going to be a Veronica Mars film franchise in the future for them to protect. If it was something he really wanted to do, for the sake of good will, they might make a deal with him on the character rights. It's not like there's big financial stakes on something like this from the WB end at this point. Plus, no question any deal would give WB a piece (and likely first refusal on distribution) in the unbelievably unlikely event it exploded huge.

But again, I don't think there's much chance it could or would happen.

That would be nice, it would actually be a good fit on a station like Lifetime, I've started watching a show on Lifetime, "Blood Ties" and I think they are interested in some original programming.

Purchased Seasons 1 and 2 DVD sets this weekend at BB (they are on fire-sale at this point) and watched the first 3 episodes of S1 last night. Having watched all the episodes of the series, and now going back and starting over, I must say that the overall production quality and writing definitely diminished over time. It seems that RT had a lot more money available to him in the beginning to spend. And, as much as I love V's quick wit, in the beginning she was much more angst-ridden because of what happened to her, which seemed to add some mystery to the show. That, and the way the story was being told in flashback, which is somthing that couldn't be kept going, played out much better than when the story took place full-time in real time. Still, I always enjoyed watching it, no matter what the offering was. One of my favorite shows of all time.

I will miss VM. May the show RIP. If it comes back in another form or as a movie, I will be there to see it.

That's why I thought that the FBI version might be good, with it taking place years after season 3. possibility of the flashback effect. If no hope for another chapter, instead of movies and miniseries, RT can possibly whip up another paperback of his stories based or loosely based on the Neptune universe.

Save Veronica camapigns are in full swing. June 15 is next Friday and we have until then to try our best and save this show. There is a current campaign going on to send Mars candy bars to CW headquarters. There is a store offering free shipping on Mars bars for VM fans, check out the link for more info.

More info about VM campaigns here: http://www.saveveronicamars.tv/

Please join in, anyone who can.

Short interview with Kristen:

http://www.comcast.net/tv/index.jsp?cat=TELEVISION&fn=/2007/06/08/684781.html

Good grief, I loved VM too, but let's get realistic. It was consistently in the bottom 10 (sometimes the bottom five!) of all shows on TV. It didn't have an audience beyond it's faithful-but-few core fans. It was a no-brainer for cancellation. Sorry, but it's time to accept it and move on, folks.

Good grief, I loved VM too, but let's get realistic. It was consistently in the bottom 10 (sometimes the bottom five!) of all shows on TV. It didn't have an audience beyond it's faithful-but-few core fans. It was a no-brainer for cancellation. Sorry, but it's time to accept it and move on, folks.

Mars!

Maybe now the healing can begin...

The CW has officially pulled the plug on Veronica Mars. Series creator Rob Thomas confirmed the news for me via e-mail just moments ago.

"I'm afraid I have to report that Veronica Mars is officially dead," he wrote. "At least in TV show form. There's really no way that it can happen now. I'm not sure the CW should've given the glimmer of hope. I think Dawn Ostroff genuinely would have liked to have continued on with a version of the show, but there was too much resistance around her. At the end of the day, it would've been kinder had the band aid simply been ripped off rather peeled away in than this agonizingly slow manner."

Ironically, the news comes just as Veronica Mars fans — emboldened by Jericho's 11th hour resurrection — are in the midst of bombarding The CW with thousands of Mars candy bars in advance of that June 15 deadline.

In light of this development, it might make sense to redirect those deliveries to Warner Bros.' feature division — specifically, the folks who would be responsible for greenlighting a Veronica Mars film. Just a thought. If you've got a better idea, by all means, post it below.

Archi, nothing is a no brainer cancellation when ya dont any shows as it is...

Well, at least we will get to see a little of Kristen:

http://www.comcast.net/tv/index.jsp?cat=TELEVISION&fn=/2007/08/20/743800.html&cvqh=itn_veronica

Well, at least we will get to see a little of Kristen:

http://www.comcast.net/tv/index.jsp?cat=TELEVISION&fn=/2007/08/20/743800.html&cvqh=itn_veronica

Cool....coming to Heroes.

Well, at least we will get to see a little of Kristen:

http://www.comcast.net/tv/index.jsp?cat=TELEVISION&fn=/2007/08/20/743800.html&cvqh=itn_veronica

This is great. Now I have a timeframe when my withdrawal symptoms will be relieved for at least a little while.

Well, at least we will get to see a little of Kristen:

http://www.comcast.net/tv/index.jsp?cat=TELEVISION&fn=/2007/08/20/743800.html&cvqh=itn_veronica

I hope we get to see "a lot" of her. :p

In the "I'll believe it when I see it" category:

This from the National Post (http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2009/01/22/veronica-mars-movie-in-the-works.aspx) on 1/22/09:

"Ever since Veronica Mars went off the air in 2007 -- after a too-brief run of three season on the CW of two seasons on UPN followed by a third on the CW -- rumours have swirled that the series would eventually migrate to the big screen. It's no longer a rumour: series creator Rob Thomas revealed he is currently working on a screenplay.

The series -- which follows the exploits of a teenage gumshoe -- has a rabidly loyal fan base (of which I am one) which has been clamoring for a conclusion to the series, which ended with several loose ends.

Reports Natalie Abrams:

Although previously reported that the movie would give fans a taste of Veronica solving crimes in college, Thomas clarifies: "I think it would open just days before Hearst College graduation, so Veronica would be at the end of her college career." As for where she'll go from there, Thomas hasn't quite nailed that down, but has plenty of ideas. "[The story is] 70 percent broken in my head. I've been struggling with one plot point, and I'm hopeful [that I will] figure that out. On the dry-erase board at my house there are Veronica Mars plot points that I want to see, so it is at least there."

Wow! More Veronica Mars goodness?? Go, Rob go! But, you know, be ready for crushing disappointment, because that's how you roll, man. :p

Where do I preorder tickets??????

A Veronica Mars movie will never happen because Josh Z said it won't:

Studios don't produce movies to break even or make a small profit. They produce movies to be huge money-making hits. If they don't believe that's likely to happen, they don't make the movie.

That's why Firefly was never made into a movie. Studios only finance movies that will make hundreds of millions of dollars and they know you can't do that with a movie based on a low-rated television series. ;)

They finance them, but make hundreds of millions? But I'd like Veronica back. A little in heros was good for a while, but what's her next?