Our favorite mystery girl is back! Veronica Mars returns October 3rd from a 5-month hiatus to the new CW. Fortunately it keeps it's old timeslot, Tuesdays at 9 PM (E/P).


NOTICE:
As Veronica Mars is on a new network, The CW, it may have moved stations. For a complete list of CW affiliates, go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CW_affiliates


The season two finale was one of the best episodes of Veronica Mars we've seen yet, (IMHO), and raises alot of questions about season three to be discussed:

(No topics listed here, as I have no clue as to how to spoiler-proof it)


HDTV Specs:
Veronica Mars will be available in HD through your local affiliate, as the past two seasons have been. The format, along with the other CW shows, will be 1080i.

Since Veronica Mars was on UPN, it is not known whether it will have Dolby 5.1.

The CW HD can be found on most local cable providers, Verizon FiOS, and, of course, OTA. DirecTV has adding some CW affiliates, as well, but on a seemingly random basis. HD is not available in all markets, especially if your affiliate is cable-only or is on a digital sub-channel.


Too confused by Season 2? Don't worry, as in the third season, there will only be three running mysteries, as well as the mystery of the week. Also, the new season will be seperated out into three mini-seasons, each being nine, seven, and six episodes, respectively. Although, if ratings are low, the number of episodes can be reduced to just 13.


Still catching up through reruns or the DVDs? Well than catch up on AVSForum's discussion of the second season, found here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=585598

Woot, the S3 thread has officially begun. Nice post SJKurtzke. Now, a little more waiting... :)

We need pics....like...maybe...this one... :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/cc_veronicamars.jpg

..and of course we have to have this one, which I understand Kristen Bell is really getting tired of seeing... :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/mars_cast_main.jpg

Must...mop....sweat.....from......brow

Now I don't know how exact this information is, but a person on another forum (someone I know is connected to CW, he works on Everybody Hates Chris) told me that VM was behind in shooting for Season 3....I hope he's just exagerrating but he also said that the Exec who was really pushing VM has also left after the change-over to CW

I hope they get a full season which allows Rob Cohen to conclude VM correctly...and not cut short in the middle (if the ratings are sour)

Kristen Bell is on Leno thursday

Kristen Bell is on Leno thursday
Cool, thanks for the update. There are also two season 2 repeats airing tonight on UPN/CW; "The Rapes of Graff" and "Plan B".

Great startup post, SJKurtzke.

Can't wait for the new season to begin! I really hope the ratings are strong enough to keep the show around for a few more years.

Or this pic (even though its not officially from VM)...

http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/kristen-bell-in-shape-magazinefor-the-boys/

Or this pic (even though its not officially from VM)...

http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/kristen-bell-in-shape-magazinefor-the-boys/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/Kristen-Bell-shape-magazine.jpg

You know, there was a discussion on the TWOP forums on whether men watch VM for her looks. I think we've found our answer.

(BTW, in that first pic, doesn't she kind of look a little anorexic?)

Anyway, since the DVDs have Dolby Surround, do you think we'll get the DD5.1 upgrade this season?

You know, there was a discussion on the TWOP forums on whether men watch VM for her looks. I think we've found our answer.

(BTW, in that first pic, doesn't she kind of look a little anorexic?)

Anyway, since the DVDs have Dolby Surround, do you think we'll get the DD5.1 upgrade this season?
Hey, she's hot no doubt, but she has so much more to offer.

She's a well-rounded character, one of my favorites on TV today. And Kristen Bell is a terrific actress with great range.

Damn!

Searching for more pix . . . . . . . . . . .

You know, there was a discussion on the TWOP forums on whether men watch VM for her looks. I think we've found our answer.

(BTW, in that first pic, doesn't she kind of look a little anorexic?)

Anyway, since the DVDs have Dolby Surround, do you think we'll get the DD5.1 upgrade this season?Have you ever known of a vegetarian that didn't appear somewhat undernourished? (Or is it vegan?)

Anyway, I don't care one way or another for the show, but the more I've been seeing K.B. lately, the cuter she seems to be getting.

Don't know if it's just me or what.

You know, there was a discussion on the TWOP forums on whether men watch VM for her looks. I think we've found our answer.

(BTW, in that first pic, doesn't she kind of look a little anorexic?)

Anyway, since the DVDs have Dolby Surround, do you think we'll get the DD5.1 upgrade this season?

Thanks for posting the picture. I could not figure out how to post anything but the link.

I agree that she looks thin on the cover of Shape. In fact, I first saw this magazine in a grocery store, and while I definitely did a double take at the "hot" girl, I did not realize that it was KB at first. I've been a huge VM fan since the middle of season one and think its the second best show on TV (behind Lost). In my very humble opinion, I think the editors of Shape may have airbrushed KB to look thinner for the cover shot. If you compare these to the pictures from Maxim, it doesn't even look like the same girl. The Maxim pics (which would be nice posted here - hint hint) make her look a lot healthier.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=kristen%20bell%20maxim&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

She was on Kelli and Regis this week promoting Pulse. I'm always a little dissapointed that KB is not as quick with the wit as VM. Oh well, she is an actress - and clearly a damn fine one at that.

UPN has not been HD in my market but the our WB station has been and its the one that's becoming the CW - can't wait to finally see all the 1080i glory of VM.

I agree that she looks thin on the cover of Shape. In fact, I first saw this magazine in a grocery store, and while I definitely did a double take at the "hot" girl, I did not realize that it was KB at first.

As we've just started watching the S-1 DVD set and are becoming big fans, my wife cut out the 'Shape' magazine cover and put it on the 'fridge as an "incentive". Oddly, I haven't objected. ;) :)

Now I don't know how exact this information is, but a person on another forum (someone I know is connected to CW, he works on Everybody Hates Chris) told me that VM was behind in shooting for Season 3....I hope he's just exagerrating but he also said that the Exec who was really pushing VM has also left after the change-over to CW

I hope they get a full season which allows Rob Cohen to conclude VM correctly...and not cut short in the middle (if the ratings are sour)


I'll see what I can find out about the production. Also about the DD5.1.

The Exec that was pushing VM is Dawn Ostroff (whom has stated many times that VM is her favorite show). Dawn is President of Entertainment for The CW, the same position she held at UPN.

EDIT: The only show that I know that is behind on production is America's Next Top Model. The writers went on strike a few weeks ago, I don't know if that was settled or not.

As we've just started watching the S-1 DVD set and are becoming big fans, my wife cut out the 'Shape' magazine cover and put it on the 'fridge as an "incentive". Oddly, I haven't objected. ;) :)


As an incentive for what? To encourage you to watch the show? To encourage her to try and look like KB? To encourage you to fantasize about KB?

If she's going to allow that to be put on display as an "incentive," I suggest you got to Kinko's and get it englarged about 1000%.

I'll see what I can find out about the production. Also about the DD5.1.

The Exec that was pushing VM is Dawn Ostroff (whom has stated many times that VM is her favorite show). Dawn is President of Entertainment for The CW, the same position she held at UPN.

EDIT: The only show that I know that is behind on production is America's Next Top Model. The writers went on strike a few weeks ago, I don't know if that was settled or not.


On Reg and Kelli this week (don't know when it was taped but its recent b/c she was promoting Pulse), KB said that they had been back on the set for a couple of weeks.

I'll see what I can find out about the production. Also about the DD5.1.

The Exec that was pushing VM is Dawn Ostroff (whom has stated many times that VM is her favorite show). Dawn is President of Entertainment for The CW, the same position she held at UPN.

EDIT: The only show that I know that is behind on production is America's Next Top Model. The writers went on strike a few weeks ago, I don't know if that was settled or not.

excellent...I'll have to rub this in his face one day :)

To encourage you to watch the show? To encourage her to try and look like KB? To encourage you to fantasize about KB?


Not necessary; yes; not if I value my life. :p

Not necessary; yes; not if I value my life. :p


Your answer to question #2 is good enough. Nice to know she's willing to put in the effort. Just means that you have to spend less time on the couch as well, though, in all likelihood.

I hope they get a full season which allows Rob Cohen to conclude VM correctly...and not cut short in the middle (if the ratings are sour)

Small correction: the creator of VM is Rob Thomas, who is not the musician.

Unless the CW pulls the stunt of pulling the show off the air and not airing filmed episodes at all, we shouldn't have to worry about the "incomplete mystery" this season. Mr. Thomas decided near the end of Season 2 to make Season 3 a 'set' of mysteries...almost a trilogy of mini-series, in the vein of British shows with deliberately short runs.

The plan [the last time I read about it] is to have three seperate mysteries, each one running uninterrupted (supposedly the CW brass have arranged for no pre-emptions for each stretch run), followed by several weeks of other shows as 'filler' in the time slot (no immediate re-runs). And, with the guaranteed pickup they were given in early summer (but only for a partial season), it's expected that the first two mysteries will get in under the wire regardless of ratings.

Based on events near the end of Season 2, two of the three mysteries are expected to be:

1) The contents of Kendall's briefcase, which kept Keith from making his New York trip with Veronica at the end of the season; 2) the identity and motives of the person(s) who are raping women, then shaving their heads, at Hearst College - - where Veronica will almost certainly be going this Fall.

Ohhh, I can't wait for season 3. I am a tad disapointed that there are three mysteries compared to just one. But it's better than nothing.

I like this pic of Ms. Bell:

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Ohhh, I can't wait for season 3. I am a tad disapointed that there are three mysteries compared to just one. But it's better than nothing.


I don't think it will be that bad. Rob Thomas is an excellent writer. Just think of it like "Veronica Mars: The Mini Series", but we get three different ones for the season.

btw, I've talked to a few people, and none are aware of VM being behind in production. Also, none know if it'll be in DD5.1.

The thing that concerns me is that VM only got a short season ep order, so if it doesn't cut it in the ratings race we may only get 12-13 eps.

I don't think it will be that bad. Rob Thomas is an excellent writer. Just think of it like "Veronica Mars: The Mini Series", but we get three different ones for the season.

He is more like a good storyteller. He has only written 9 episodes.

While someone like Joss Whedon wrote 17 episodes for the first 2 seasons of Buffy. And the first season was only 13 episodes.

Yeah, Rob Cohen was the guy who did "fast and the furious", XxX, and stealth.

I'm looking forward to the new season. theCW dont look to have much in development in case of cancellation of veronica mars.

As for robs writing, because of the nature of the series, he seems to have basic overall plot outlines with overall storyarcs for every episode done before a single season episode is ever made...

The good news is I've seen mutiple CW Adds for Veronica Mars on transit buses...with Kristen Bell's face plastered all over it. In two different counties in Maryland too.

Rob Cohen...arg...I knew it was Thomas

Others seems to be doing this (4400, BSG, LOST, ) previously. Why is there no recap shows for VM? I think it would have been the prefect show to make a recap episode for the start of the new season.

Recap show - I agree. While I hated the LOST recap shows (so little actually happens on that show that you really don't need a recap), I think a recap would have been welcomed for VM. That said, if the story arcs are going to be 7-8 eps long this season, without interruption, then they probably arent' necessary now.

He is more like a good storyteller. He has only written 9 episodes.

While someone like Joss Whedon wrote 17 episodes for the first 2 seasons of Buffy. And the first season was only 13 episodes.

In TV production all story ideas are filtered through the show runner, who also drives the overall story arc and structure of the season. Even on episodes where he's not credited for the script, Thomas undoubtedly had a significant hand in the writing.

Watched Leno last night and, again, I have to say I'm sort of dissapointed with KB in person. While her "hottness" is in no way diminished, her personality does not exhibit the same level of attractiveness as VM's does. I guess that's why scripted tv shows are not considered reality. Too bad though - you would think that she would have picked up some of VM's quick wit. Not saying she doesn't seem like a nice person or that she wouldn't be fun to be around, just that she's not as "cool" as VM. I guess it just speaks to what a good actress she is, if her character can be that different from her true self.

Wish I had seen the Leno show as I'm becoming a big fan of VM as I work my way thru the first season DVD set. But no question she's a heck of an actress. Anyone who saw her tour de force performance in a guest starring role in the first season of 'Deadwood' would recognize that. Wow.

Watched Leno last night and, again, I have to say I'm sort of dissapointed with KB in person. While her "hottness" is in no way diminished, her personality does not exhibit the same level of attractiveness as VM's does.
I saw her on a talk show last year, and I thought the exact same thing. I think some of that could be attributed to nerves. I would add that she didn't seem as sophisticated in her speaking and mannerisms as she does on the show.

Wish I had seen the Leno show as I'm becoming a big fan of VM as I work my way thru the first season DVD set. But no question she's a heck of an actress. Anyone who saw her tour de force performance in a guest starring role in the first season of 'Deadwood' would recognize that. Wow.

That was indeed a memorable performance, though followed by the disappointment she wasn't becoming a regular there as I'd hoped at the time. :(

- Tom

Wish I had seen the Leno show as I'm becoming a big fan of VM as I work my way thru the first season DVD set. But no question she's a heck of an actress. Anyone who saw her tour de force performance in a guest starring role in the first season of 'Deadwood' would recognize that. Wow.
Indeed, the girl can definitely act.

I saw her on a talk show last year, and I thought the exact same thing. I think some of that could be attributed to nerves. I would add that she didn't seem as sophisticated in her speaking and mannerisms as she does on the show.
Noticed that as well in the two times I've seen her on those shows, she seems to not be in tune with the hosts/guests wavelengths as it were, outside on the inside jokes I guess you could say.

Indeed, the girl can definitely act.

After that 'Deadwood' performance, I remember turning to my buddy and saying I think we've just seen the next Meryl Streep. I hadn't even seen VM at that time; not sure if it had premiered yet. That talent, those looks, and she's only 25. She could have a long career if she's careful about the roles she takes and builds a buzz.

But I think she may have taken the typical young TV starlet off-season role of horror flick victim, didn't she? Don't think Meryl did one of those. ;)

And as to her being ditzy on the talk shows, maybe she really is, but any actor has to draw on his own personality and experience. She's so "together", cool, and witty on VM that there has to be some of that in her real-world persona I should think. Maybe she's just nervous on those shows for some reason (maybe due to being somewhat new to the world of fame).

The best appearence I've seen her in was on Late Night last year. She told a story about how her mom scared her while watching an X-Files episode.

But I think she may have taken the typical young TV starlet off-season role of horror flick victim, didn't she? Don't think Meryl did one of those. ;)


I haven't seen "Pulse" but from the previews it's looks like a stinker compared to the original version, it's too bad as the original was very good IMO, and in fact, it looks like they really changed the storyline around for the US release.

re: Leno :D


...or in case you guys forgot what Kristen Bell looks like :D It's been a long break after all.

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re: Leno :D


...or in case you guys forgot what Kristen Bell looks like :D It's been a long break after all.

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These pics remind me of something I was wondering about last night...what is the deal with that dress? Are those loose strands suppose to be there, it looks like the dress is unraveling on her, or wasn't seamed correctly....maybe I'm just too old and that's the "style"... :p

Wow Keenan, good eye. I didn't even notice those strands. I would guess it's the style but what the hell do I know about woman's fashions.

Hmm, the past two times she's been on Leno, I haven't liked the outfit.

I've read interviews of her in magazines, and she seems so "at ease" in those.

Heck, even when she was "Punk'd", she seemed more like VM than what she's shown on the talk shows.

btw, her performance in "Reefer Madness" was excellent. She's a hell of an actress, has the looks, and doesn't have the "I'm better than everyone else" attitude (like many other young actresses).

Like normal, I forgot about her appearance. Is a video available on the NBC site anywhere?

Hmm, the past two times she's been on Leno, I haven't liked the outfit.

I've read interviews of her in magazines, and she seems so "at ease" in those.

Heck, even when she was "Punk'd", she seemed more like VM than what she's shown on the talk shows.

btw, her performance in "Reefer Madness" was excellent. She's a hell of an actress, has the looks, and doesn't have the "I'm better than everyone else" attitude (like many other young actresses).Hmmm. Apparently you missed her comments last night about initially being P.O.'d about and not wanting the film makers to hire the male lead in her new movie because she thought he was "too pretty", and she was originally led to believe she would be (and clearly wanted to be) the focus of and the best looking person in the movie. And she wasn't kidding around when she said it - she was dead serious.

Definitely no shortage of ego there.

I actually liked her until I heard that part, and she lost a lot of points with me there.

Sounds similar to what she said in the video on this this (http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2006/060804b.html) page from Watch with Kristin (E! Online).

She doesn't seem all that serious in that clip, I'm sure she's just having a little fun.

guys....I know you guys know this but Veronica Mars is character...which has 5-10 incredibly smart and well-versed writer writting her dialouge...its okay if she can't solve the JFK assassination because she's an actress ;)

I just went through a few of her talk show appearances on YouTube, she seems fine on them.

Wish I could watch the Leno ones to see what the big deal is.

Watched Leno last night and, again, I have to say I'm sort of dissapointed with KB in person. While her "hottness" is in no way diminished, her personality does not exhibit the same level of attractiveness as VM's does. I guess that's why scripted tv shows are not considered reality. Too bad though - you would think that she would have picked up some of VM's quick wit. Not saying she doesn't seem like a nice person or that she wouldn't be fun to be around, just that she's not as "cool" as VM. I guess it just speaks to what a good actress she is, if her character can be that different from her true self.

Kristen Bell has a personality, just not Veronica Mars's personality. If you want an example of a "teen" starlet that plays a quick-witted character (Rory Gilmore) with absolutely no real-life personality, catch some of Alexis Bledel's interviews. The critics who say her personality is the one that's written for aren't exaggerating, they're being charitable.

I hope the number of posts that this thread has garnered already is a good indication for the possibility of a successful season this year (ratings wise).

Anyone gonna miss the vice principal? I like they way he outsmarted v.

I finally finished watching Season 2 last night. I didn't think the season as a whole got off-track too much, and I didn't get confused about anything. Though I have to admit, I did not guess who the killer was.

btw, Mack put on some pounds over the final three episodes, very noticable.

Definitely ready for some new episodes.

- Tom

Me and the missus blew through S-1 this summer and are halfway thru S-2 now. Hope to get it all finished in time for S-3 to premiere so we can catch it in HD. We've become big fans; sure hope they get to finish out a full third season. Anybody know when it premieres?

I finally finished watching Season 2 last night. I didn't think the season as a whole got off-track too much, and I didn't get confused about anything. Though I have to admit, I did not guess who the killer was.

btw, Mack put on some pounds over the final three episodes, very noticable.


Taz - it was much more confusing during the actual broadcast season when the 22 or 24 episodes were spread out over almost twice as many weeks, sometimes with several week breaks. I am re-watching all the episodes which I Tivoed and it is a lot less confusing the second go 'round. Still, though, I bet if I went back a third time and took notes, I'd discover that the writers took us down several dead ends intentionally. Looking backwards on a show like this always reveals plot holes that weren't there initially.

Back to the main topic . . . I can't wait for the new season to start.

Are they filming season 3 in 16mm film as in the other 2 seasons or are they going up to 35mm?

Reason I'm asking is because the PQ has been lackluster with lot's of grain.

Are they filming season 3 in 16mm film as in the other 2 seasons or are they going up to 35mm?

Reason I'm asking is because the PQ has been lackluster with lot's of grain.


Don't know, but here's some info on the original cinematographer and his choice of stock. According to IMDB, he only did 3 episodes, but it may not be updated.

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/16mm/why/filmMaker/veronica.jhtml?id=0.1.4.3.6&lc=en

Are they filming season 3 in 16mm film as in the other 2 seasons or are they going up to 35mm?

Reason I'm asking is because the PQ has been lackluster with lot's of grain.

Considering the ratings and that the season has been provisionally shortened to only 13 eps, I'd be real surprised if they did anything that might increase the budget, as in an upgrade in film stock. They probably even cut Backup's dogfood allowance!

Me and the missus blew through S-1 this summer and are halfway thru S-2 now. Hope to get it all finished in time for S-3 to premiere so we can catch it in HD. We've become big fans; sure hope they get to finish out a full third season. Anybody know when it premieres?
Tuesday, Oct 3rd 9PM ET/PT

Considering the ratings and that the season has been provisionally shortened to only 13 eps, I'd be real surprised if they did anything that might increase the budget, as in an upgrade in film stock. They probably even cut Backup's dogfood allowance!

Just to be completely clear: the season is still structured for 22 episodes, like seasons 1 and 2. However, the CW only gave Rob Thomas a guaranteed pickup for 13 episodes - - a partial order, instead of a full season order up-front. If the ratings hold, and/or the network continues to have faith in the show, the season will continue past 13 episodes.

And, as mentioned previously: we don't have to be as worried about the partial season pickup, as this year they will be doing three distinct mysteries, back-to-back-to-back, instead of one season-long one. 13 episodes should be enough to get two mysteries in, and even if the ratings do go in the tank, due to the partial season pickup we should be able to get those episodes out, either on TV or eventually on DVD. This is much better than last season, where we were wondering at points if we might not get to find out who blew up the school bus...

Can't wait. This is a must-see for me.

I just gotta get an antenna up so I can get UPN OTA.. since Comcast doesnt provide the digital feed...

Must have VM in HD. :)

Can't wait. This is a must-see for me.

I just gotta get an antenna up so I can get UPN OTA.. since Comcast doesnt provide the digital feed...

Must have VM in HD. :)


You might want to verify that your UPN station is going to be The CW when it officially premiers this month. It could already by a MyNetworkTV affilliate. In my DMA, the local WB station is becoming the CW.

But, I hear ya. My UPN station was not HD so I've never seen Veronica in full HD glory. Can't wait for this year, since my WB/CW station does do HD. Interestingly, my MyNet station also does HD now, even though it did not as a UPN affliate.

Does anyone know if Dish Network will be putting up the HD feeds of CW in any markets? I'm in the Philly market, but can't get any of the Philly stations OTA. I could get some of the NYC digitals including the UPN station. Too bad I can't get the WB station in NYC which will be the CW station.

I guess no more VM in HD for me.

But, I hear ya. My UPN station was not HD so I've never seen Veronica in full HD glory. Can't wait for this year, since my WB/CW station does do HD.
You're not missing much. If you have a really good DVD player, that's about the quality the HD feed puts out, with a little more realism in the facial features and background objects. (Then again, I have only seen it on D*)

The CW was sending some DD5.1 tests this morning, and Veronica Mars was the test material.

You're not missing much. If you have a really good DVD player, that's about the quality the HD feed puts out, with a little more realism in the facial features and background objects. (Then again, I have only seen it on D*)

Uh, I watch on a CRT front projector and HD Veronica Mars is much better. If I had to watch SD, I'd live with it but I would feel like I'm missing out big time.

NYC/OTA.

Uh, I watch on a CRT front projector and HD Veronica Mars is much better. If I had to watch SD, I'd live with it but I would feel like I'm missing out big time.

NYC/OTA.
I watched on an old Mits RP CRT that is esentially broken, through WDCA (notorious for being one of the crappiest stations in the top 50 markets), and through DirecTV. So, yeah, maybe my judgement was a little off. ;)

Anyway, I'm kind of worried about VM. It hasn't really been promoted much on The CW, and that 13 confirmed order doesn't really settle things.

It'll be heavily promoted next week (so I'm told).

Just a reminder that this is on tonight. Unfortunately, I have to record it in SD due to Dancing with the Stars for now until the show drops to one hour instead of 90 minutes (only one OTA tuner with a MPEG2 Dish subscription).

This is a first for the LA DMA due to News Corp not willing to air the HD of UPN programs last season. Everybody Hates Chris, in the same situation, was in pretty good HD, so this should be good as well.

Thanks,
Rasheed

KB was on the Late Late Show last night. Best interview I've seen her give. Looking foward to the new season.

KB was on the Late Late Show last night. Best interview I've seen her give. Looking foward to the new season.
Caught the last few minutes of that and it was a good interview, she seemed much more relaxed, at ease.

Okay, at what time is Veronica Mars on? My cable provider has it listed for 9 PM Eastern Time; however, they're showing Gilmore Girls, not VM. Anyone else in the same boat?

Well, either they're not showing it in HD, or there's a disconnect between standard CW and its HD counterpart, as it's only showing on the former.

Tonight's episode was pretty mediocre, except for the last couple of minutes. Kind of a shame, considering this was the first VM on the new network, and probably the first VM lots of people have seen.

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Did Kendall, get killed, or just shot?
Did Dick rape that fraternity girl, or does it just look that way?

Okay, at what time is Veronica Mars on? My cable provider has it listed for 9 PM Eastern Time; however, they're showing Gilmore Girls, not VM. Anyone else in the same boat?
It was fine on the DC station, but the Baltimore CW station engineer posts in the DC local thread, maybe he knows what happened.

It is on at 9 ET, usually.

VM was not on in HD here in Denver. Anyone else have that problem?

Veronica Mars was in HD with DD5.1 on WGN HD Chicago.

PQ was good.

There was a bad picture breakup/freeze near the beginning of this evening's episode which made me very nervous as I thought things were going to be as bad as Monday's "Vanished" which was a real disaster ... picture breakups and freezes; sound pops and dropouts throughtout the entire program. Near the end there was a total lost of sound ... after the last commercial break they switched to SDTV and there were still sound dropouts!

This evening there were just a couple of picture/sound dropouts after that first glitch.

Source ... Bell ExpressVu ... channel 825

havent watched yet, it's on the DVR though, hopefully all is kosher....

:)

Up in HD/DD2.0 from WBKI-DT ... There was a brief (2-3min) segment toward the end that dropped to ~15fps "stopmotion" video (which is an ongoing issue with this newly HD capable station.) ... The :20 - :25 commercial break lasted *way* too long.

VM was not on in HD here in Denver. Anyone else have that problem?

Grainy but mostly decent HD here in Jax. And a good show.

- Tom

Grainy but mostly decent HD here in Jax. And a good show.

- Tom

Hey Tom,

I agree it was a good show, and after watching VM in SD all the previous seasons, having it in HD is great.

I have to add a however...the colors seemed really "off" to me. I figured out that the scene in Keith's office was garish because of the stained glass windows, but then I was noticing that everything was overly vivid.

When they cut to commercials, the color balances looked much more natural. I've never noticed this when viewing in SD. Has the HD version been like this all along?

Can someone explain to me the entirety of Keith's storyline this episode? I'm totally confused on the whole thing. Who was the guy he drove to Kendall, and what exactly happened at the cabin? I just didn't get it at all.

I tried to watch Veronica Mars in HD last night, but it was really hard to make out what was going on behind the CW bug.

Hey Tom,

I agree it was a good show, and after watching VM in SD all the previous seasons, having it in HD is great.

I have to add a however...the colors seemed really "off" to me. I figured out that the scene in Keith's office was garish because of the stained glass windows, but then I was noticing that everything was overly vivid.

When they cut to commercials, the color balances looked much more natural. I've never noticed this when viewing in SD. Has the HD version been like this all along?

It's always looked that way, and I believe it's intentional.

Can someone explain to me the entirety of Keith's storyline this episode? I'm totally confused on the whole thing. Who was the guy he drove to Kendall, and what exactly happened at the cabin? I just didn't get it at all.

Yeah, I ak a little confused by this also. The guy was Kendall's old partner in crime, the one she did time for. I believe he is a Fitzgerald. Keith was reuniting them, as they are running from the guys older brother (another Fitzgerald).

The other PI, that put the bug in Keith's brief case, is working for the older brother.

On the broadcast front, we had a perfect airing, no breakups at all. The opening scene looked very soft, but after the credits, it looked more like VM did the previous seasons.

So far, I'm not a fan of the guy playing Wallace's roommate, something about his acting that just isn't believable.

So far, I'm not a fan of the guy playing Wallace's roommate, something about his acting that just isn't believable.
He has the same hair cut I had back in 1981 before I grew up.

He has the same hair cut I had back in 1981 before I grew up.

Yeah, the hair cut has to go also. Reminded of the guys that sang karaoke at the coffee shop VM worked at.

Can someone explain to me the entirety of Keith's storyline this episode? I'm totally confused on the whole thing. Who was the guy he drove to Kendall, and what exactly happened at the cabin? I just didn't get it at all.
Well, alright then Josh...looks to me like I have to explain everything....

Bear in mind I have never seen this show as it is newly in HD, so I will have missed any backstory, but here goes:

Keith had business to conduct during the day which he did not see fit to share the specifics of with his daughter, the titular VM. Turns out he was by prearrangement meeting a man being released from prison that day, someone who is known as "Cormac" (or something close to that).

We are to assume I suppose that he had been doing time upon conviction for a "project" which netted a nifty nest-egg which has kept his, Cormac's, girlfriend Kendall comfortable during the span of Cormac's incarceration. The implication was that she may have done time too, but both she and Cormac never divulged the whereabouts of the larcenous proceeds of the project, so as she had the earlier release, she benefitted initially from that pact of silence.

Also implied was that Cormac's younger brother Liam, was in on the job and had never been satisfied as to his portion of the cut, so had attempted (unsuccessfully obviously) to track down Kendall who owes her escape from this fate to Keith who supplied her, Kendall, with a passport, housing, an ATM card and a way out of town. Keith may have picked her up from prison just like he was doing for Cormac, or possibly he aided her after the job but possibly she got busted anyway.

I guess we might be able to assume the project took place in a foreign country -- why else would she need a passport to end up someplace within driving distance of a US penitentiary unless that place is Mexico or Canada -- unsure where the cabin was.

Anyway, at the cabin Keith is the third wheel but goes to his car to get the travel documents he has for Cormac, so he can get out of there, job done. He has forgotten his car keys (checks his pocket, looks back at the door, decides car is probably unlocked anyway). Goes to car, grabs his bag for the documents, notices a pen from a probably rival Private Dick, Vincent Van Howe (?), who he obviously knows because he mutters "Don't tell me Vinnie that you are working for Liam" (the brother who is trying to find Kendall and Cormac). He uncorks the pen to discover a device either listening or tracking -- my bet is tracking because he looks upward as if to a GPS satellite.

Anyway, in the flush of realization he checks his glove compartment. Cormac has his gun! Kendall is in mortal danger! Now so is Keith! But he has no keys to drive out of there! How will he escape the peril?! -- freezing temperatures alone will off him by morning!

Stay tuned fellow Marstians! I will explain next weeks hair-raising (just in time for the sake of the aesthetics of Keith's corpse!) episode!

(From Marc Berman’s Wednesday, October 4, , 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

“…In season-premiere news, The CW’s Veronica Mars limped out of the gate with a disappointing (and, of course, last-place) 2.4/ 4 in the overnights, 3.27 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m. Although comparatively that was a vast improvement over year-ago failed occupant Sex, Love & Secrets (Overnights: 1.5/ 2; Viewers: 1.40 million; A18-49: 0.6/ 1 on Oct. 4, 2005), keep in mind three things:

1. Retention for Veronica Mars from lead-in Gilmore Girls (Overnights: #5, 4.0/ 6; Viewers: #5, 4.71 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 6 at 8 p.m.) was just 60 percent in the overnights, 69 percent in total viewers and 70 percent among adults 18-49.

2. Sex, Love & Secrets on the year-ago evening led out of a repeat of America’s Next Top Model.

3. Veronica Mars opened season two on Wednesday, Sept. 28, 2005 (out of America’s Next Top Model) with a similarly disappointing 2.5/ 4 in the overnights, 3.29 million viewers and a 1.3/ 3 among adults 18-49.

To the countless Veronica Mars groupies reading this column: the ratings are not terrible. But they could, and should, be much better. ….”

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

Retention for Veronica Mars from lead-in Gilmore Girls (Overnights: #5, 4.0/ 6; Viewers: #5, 4.71 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 6 at 8 p.m.) was just 60 percent in the overnights, 69 percent in total viewers and 70 percent among adults 18-49.


Gabmore Girls: 4.71 million viewers
Veronica Mars: 3.29 million viewers

This is just soooooo wrong. :(

Can someone explain to me the entirety of Keith's storyline this episode? I'm totally confused on the whole thing. Who was the guy he drove to Kendall, and what exactly happened at the cabin? I just didn't get it at all.

Just wanted to make sure that you see your explanation Josh, now that the page has changed:

Well, alright then Josh...looks to me like I have to explain everything....

Bear in mind I have never seen this show as it is newly in HD, so I will have missed any backstory, but here goes:

Keith had business to conduct during the day which he did not see fit to share the specifics of with his daughter, the titular VM. Turns out he was by prearrangement meeting a man being released from prison that day, someone who is known as "Cormac" (or something close to that).

We are to assume I suppose that he had been doing time upon conviction for a "project" which netted a nifty nest-egg which has kept his, Cormac's, girlfriend Kendall comfortable during the span of Cormac's incarceration. The implication was that she may have done time too, but both she and Cormac never divulged the whereabouts of the larcenous proceeds of the project, so as she had the earlier release, she benefitted initially from that pact of silence.

Also implied was that Cormac's younger brother Liam, was in on the job and had never been satisfied as to his portion of the cut, so had attempted (unsuccessfully obviously) to track down Kendall who owes her escape from this fate to Keith who supplied her, Kendall, with a passport, housing, an ATM card and a way out of town. Keith may have picked her up from prison just like he was doing for Cormac, or possibly he aided her after the job but possibly she got busted anyway.

I guess we might be able to assume the project took place in a foreign country -- why else would she need a passport to end up someplace within driving distance of a US penitentiary unless that place is Mexico or Canada -- unsure where the cabin was.

Anyway, at the cabin Keith is the third wheel but goes to his car to get the travel documents he has for Cormac, so he can get out of there, job done. He has forgotten his car keys (checks his pocket, looks back at the door, decides car is probably unlocked anyway). Goes to car, grabs his bag for the documents, notices a pen from a probably rival Private Dick, Vincent Van Howe (?), who he obviously knows because he mutters "Don't tell me Vinnie that you are working for Liam" (the brother who is trying to find Kendall and Cormac). He uncorks the pen to discover a device either listening or tracking -- my bet is tracking because he looks upward as if to a GPS satellite.

Anyway, in the flush of realization he checks his glove compartment. Cormac has his gun! Kendall is in mortal danger! Now so is Keith! But he has no keys to drive out of there! How will he escape the peril?! -- freezing temperatures alone will off him by morning!

Stay tuned fellow Marstians! I will explain next weeks hair-raising (just in time for the sake of the aesthetics of Keith's corpse!) episode!

Gabmore Girls: 4.71 million viewers
Veronica Mars: 3.29 million viewers

This is just soooooo wrong. :(
Perhaps it's because of this: (saw this at school yesterday)

A: "Yes! Veronica Mars is on tonight!"
B: "What's Veronica Mars?"
A: "Only the best show ever!"
B: "What's it about?"
A: "Um...a teenage girl who solves mysteries"
B: "What's so great about that?"

How would you even describe the show to someone? It's a great show no doubt about that, but what makes it so great?

More promotion would certainly help, or a MadTV parody, like they did for the Gabmore Girls.

Well, alright then Josh...looks to me like I have to explain everything....

Bear in mind I have never seen this show as it is newly in HD, so I will have missed any backstory, but here goes:

Keith had business to conduct during the day which he did not see fit to share the specifics of with his daughter, the titular VM. Turns out he was by prearrangement meeting a man being released from prison that day, someone who is known as "Cormac" (or something close to that).

We are to assume I suppose that he had been doing time upon conviction for a "project" which netted a nifty nest-egg which has kept his, Cormac's, girlfriend Kendall comfortable during the span of Cormac's incarceration. The implication was that she may have done time too, but both she and Cormac never divulged the whereabouts of the larcenous proceeds of the project, so as she had the earlier release, she benefitted initially from that pact of silence.

Also implied was that Cormac's younger brother Liam, was in on the job and had never been satisfied as to his portion of the cut, so had attempted (unsuccessfully obviously) to track down Kendall who owes her escape from this fate to Keith who supplied her, Kendall, with a passport, housing, an ATM card and a way out of town. Keith may have picked her up from prison just like he was doing for Cormac, or possibly he aided her after the job but possibly she got busted anyway.

I guess we might be able to assume the project took place in a foreign country -- why else would she need a passport to end up someplace within driving distance of a US penitentiary unless that place is Mexico or Canada -- unsure where the cabin was.

Anyway, at the cabin Keith is the third wheel but goes to his car to get the travel documents he has for Cormac, so he can get out of there, job done. He has forgotten his car keys (checks his pocket, looks back at the door, decides car is probably unlocked anyway). Goes to car, grabs his bag for the documents, notices a pen from a probably rival Private Dick, Vincent Van Howe (?), who he obviously knows because he mutters "Don't tell me Vinnie that you are working for Liam" (the brother who is trying to find Kendall and Cormac). He uncorks the pen to discover a device either listening or tracking -- my bet is tracking because he looks upward as if to a GPS satellite.

Anyway, in the flush of realization he checks his glove compartment. Cormac has his gun! Kendall is in mortal danger! Now so is Keith! But he has no keys to drive out of there! How will he escape the peril?! -- freezing temperatures alone will off him by morning!

Stay tuned fellow Marstians! I will explain next weeks hair-raising (just in time for the sake of the aesthetics of Keith's corpse!) episode!


A couple of things here (Season 2 spoilers):

Last season, we did find out about Cormac and Kendall pulling scams. Kendall has been out of prison, that's why she changed her name. She was in most of Season 2 (step-mother of the Cassidy kids). The money I believe is from the investment thing that Beaver Cassidy came up with, he committed suicide, Kendall gets the money.

Now, I'm assuming the tracking device is for Liam to meet up with Cormac.

And yes, Cormac is Liam's older brother, both are Fitzpatrick's.

Perhaps it's because of this: (saw this at school yesterday)

A: "Yes! Veronica Mars is on tonight!"
B: "What's Veronica Mars?"
A: "Only the best show ever!"
B: "What's it about?"
A: "Um...a teenage girl who solves mysteries"
B: "What's so great about that?"

How would you even describe the show to someone? It's a great show no doubt about that, but what makes it so great?

More promotion would certainly help, or a MadTV parody, like they did for the Gabmore Girls.

I have to agree with promotions. The CW dropped the ball promoting it.

Thank you, Taz and Emaych. I guess what I still don't get is why Cormac seemingly shot Kendall and was going to kill Keith. Maybe that needs to be explained to us next week.

A couple of things here (Season 2 spoilers):

Last season, we did find out about Cormac and Kendall pulling scams. Kendall has been out of prison, that's why she changed her name. She was in most of Season 2 (step-mother of the Cassidy kids). The money I believe is from the investment thing that Beaver Cassidy came up with, he committed suicide, Kendall gets the money.

Now, I'm assuming the tracking device is for Liam to meet up with Cormac.

And yes, Cormac is Liam's older brother, both are Fitzpatrick's.
Wow! That IS alot of carryover backstory for people who might be new to the series. I imagine that will complicate the process of drawing a fresh audience in.

The other thing I would say is: my surmise is that Liam was tracking Keith through Vinnie to get to his brother, Cormac, to come to an understanding, decidedly unfriendly -- maybe that is what you meant, but it almost sounded like you thought Cormac and Liam had agreed to meet up, whereas I got the distinct impression Liam was a threat to Cormac.

Thank you, Taz and Emaych. I guess what I still don't get is why Cormac seemingly shot Kendall and was going to kill Keith. Maybe that needs to be explained to us next week.
Well now, you're kidding on that one, right? The guy is a no-good-nic, greedy, selfish bastard covering his tracks in getting to the major stashed loot which will ensure a lifetime of sipping Martinis on the beach, albiet (unlike what he told Keith in the car), sans the apparently late Kendall.

Well now, you're kidding on that one, right? The guy is a no-good-nic, greedy, selfish bastard covering his tracks in getting to the major stashed loot which will ensure a lifetime of sipping Martinis on the beach, albiert (unlike what he told Keith in the car), sans the apparently late Kendall.
Nothing is that simple, or black and white with this show, there's a reason other than what you've posted here. Maybe because she had been sleeping around while he was in prison?

Nothing is that simple, or black and white with this show, there's a reason other than what you've posted here. Maybe because she had been sleeping around while he was in prison?


Exactly, this show has so many twists and turns, I don't really even bother to try and guess "why and who".

OK, this was my first show, but it DOES seem fairly apparent that Cormac is a major no-good-nic, right? I mean, you can venture a few things I would hope. But it is nice to know there may be more to the tale than what meets the eye.

Speaking of matters of "who" -- I know you say you don't bother to guess on such things, taz291819, but you did seem to reaffirm that Cormac and Liam are Fitzgeralds, so in the context of previous seasons, who are the Fitzgeralds?

OK, this was my first show, but it DOES seem fairly apparent that Cormac is a major no-good-nic, right? I mean, you can venture a few things I would hope. But it is nice to know there may be more to the tale than what meets the eye.

Speaking of matters of "who" -- I know you say you don't bother to guess on such things, taz291819, but you did seem to reaffirm that Cormac and Liam are Fitzgeralds, so in the context of previous seasons, who are the Fitzgeralds?
I think he might mean the Fitzpatricks. Mean gangsters who do drug deals and other nasty things.

Oh, yes, my mistake -- he did say Fitzpatrick. And thank you for the family bio, but how did the straight-up seeming Mars bunch get involved with such a crowd, or is that yet to be revealed?

Oh, yes, my mistake -- he did say Fitzpatrick. And thank you for the family bio, but how did the straight-up seeming Mars bunch get involved with such a crowd, or is that yet to be revealed?

It's been revealed. Dude, you really need to see the two previous seasons; you're working at a disadvantage. That's what I did over the summer. Yes, I was a Veronica virgin like yourself only a few short months ago. In fact, I'm only 2 episodes away from wrapping S-2, and will save this ep on the DVR for the weekend. That way, I can seamlessly slide into S-3 (in HD!) right from the end of S-2. Gnarly, no?

Oh, yes, my mistake -- he did say Fitzpatrick. And thank you for the family bio, but how did the straight-up seeming Mars bunch get involved with such a crowd, or is that yet to be revealed?

Yeah, you really need to watch Season 2 to understand who the Fitzpatricks are. There's way to much to explain without typing a few pages.

I believe Target has the complete Season 2 box set on sale right now for $19.99. Well worth the money.

Let's just say the Fitzpatricks have ties to not only the Mars family, but also Logan Echols and Weezil (Weezil didn't appear in last nights episode, but he will).

Yeah, you really need to watch Season 2 to understand who the Fitzpatricks are. There's way to much to explain without typing a few pages.

I believe Target has the complete Season 2 box set on sale right now for $19.99. Well worth the money.

Let's just say the Fitzpatricks have ties to not only the Mars family, but also Logan Echols and Weezil (Weezil didn't appear in last nights episode, but he will).
SPOILER ALERT

Yeah, Weevil was arrested at the end of S2. And right before his graduation, too. :P
I wonder if the Fitzpatricks were somehow involved? (Season 2 was really confusing. Makes me want to get the DVDs)

I believe Target has the complete Season 2 box set on sale right now for $19.99. Well worth the money.Agreed -- a great TV show. BTW: I saw Season One at Costco yesterday for $15.

Target.com has Season Two at $42, but mayby there is a special going on a the brick & mortar stores ...

Yeah, you really need to watch Season 2 to understand who the Fitzpatricks are. There's way to much to explain without typing a few pages.

If you're interested in a quick "catch up", check out here (http://www.marsinvestigations.net/seasonsummary2.php) for a Season 2 summary. It also has individual episode summaries going all the way back to the beginning.

This was my first episode, so of course the ratings are sliding. :(

And yes, I also feel lost on several aspects of the show. Unfortunately I don't have time to catch up on all the episodes right now, but I want to eventually. So I won't delve into online summaries so as not to spoil anything for me.

Nothing is that simple, or black and white with this show, there's a reason other than what you've posted here. Maybe because she had been sleeping around while he was in prison?

Well, if I had been in prison for x number of years, get out, meet up with my very hot girlfriend, I'd think I'd plug her with something else other than lead first! ;)

Something else is probably going on to throw Keith off, the tracking device may have been planted by Vinnie at Veronica's behest, to help protect her dad from the Fitz's double dealings.

Anyway it's just the first episode of the 3rd season, in someways they are trying to tie up things left over from S2, introduce new characters and pick up the only unsolved mystery of S3, the Hearst rapes. Looking forward to more episodes!

For some odd reason, I always thought Dick have some feelings for Mac... neah... anything that moves.:D

This was my first episode, so of course the ratings are sliding. :(
...

Hopefully that is just people having trouble finding the show in its new location and not a lot of promotion.

But I'm just pleased as punch I can get it in HD now. I never could before, at least without downloading.

- Tom

This was my first episode, so of course the ratings are sliding. :(


Actually, the ratings are about the same (maybe slightly higher than last season).

The CW needs to promote the damn show seriously. One, it's nothing like Gilmore Girls. Two, this show has the potential to be The CW's top-tier show, ie America's Next Top Model. They need to give it at least a fraction of air-time that they do with Top Model.

Another decent episode.

I have one issue, though. I feel a little old to be watching the show to begin with, no matter how good it is, but the Aerie Girls commercials (http://www.makemewatchtv.com/2006/10/04/the-aerie-girls-and-terrible-tv-advertising/) (for American Eagle) are almost ruining this show for me. How can I feel good about watching this show when I see pre-teen girls giggling and talking about who needs to date who in the show.

The CW should realize that their audience is a lot broader than that and stop risking alienating most of them.

Don't watch the commercials!

This isn't a teenie bopper show. It's about roofies and date rape and murder and money and psychology experiments gone awry (http://www.prisonexp.org/) and how a blond teenage girl can be smarter than most adults. The giggling girls must think they're watching the O.C.

(From Marc Berman’s Wednesday, October 11 , 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

“…Although Gilmore Girls on the CW remains a solid player at a fifth-place 4.0/ 6 in the overnights, 4.61 million viewers and a 2.0/ 6 among adults 18-49 at 8 p.m., lead-out Veronica Mars dipped to a 2.4/ 3 in the overnights, 2.99 million viewers and a 1.3/ 3 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m. Retention was just 60 percent in the overnights, and 65 percent in both total viewers and adults 18-49. Even so, fans of Veronica Mars take note: Veronica was up a healthy 33 percent among women 18-34 (2.4) from it’s year-ago performance….”

• Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

At last fredfa brings some sort of good news. :)

:mad: Why can't most smart, intelligent and well acted shows make it?
Maybe they should start a channel like the SciFi channel for such shows: call it IQ!!!

I always thought they should move VM over to Showtime, which is owned by Viacom, and which would love 3 million viewers for a show. Plus they could get a lot edgier with their storylines.

I always thought they should move VM over to Showtime, which is owned by Viacom, and which would love 3 million viewers for a show. Plus they could get a lot edgier with their storylines.


I agree, while it's a great show, it would be fantastic if it were a little edgier. (Though, I've loved the use of "Frak" so far).

I've heard good things about this show and I finally watched an episode last night. I missed the very beginning. Is this a serial with an ongoing storyline? I kinda thought it would be something like Veronica solving a new mystery every week.

Dont know about that... Sho has cancelled many of the shows I enjoy watching. I thought VM on UPN was a lot safer than VM on CW rating wise.

I've heard good things about this show and I finally watched an episode last night. I missed the very beginning. Is this a serial with an ongoing storyline? I kinda thought it would be something like Veronica solving a new mystery every week.

Historically, there have been one (or more) season long arcs ... along with one episode, self-containted mysteries ... although some of these "B" stories turned out to have relevence to the season-long arc.

But that was then, supposedly there will be several shorter multi-ep arcs this season.

I agree, while it's a great show, it would be fantastic if it were a little edgier. (Though, I've loved the use of "Frak" so far).
I thought the "buzzing" Veronica said she heard was a clever way to hint at something not normally mentioned on network television. ;)

That was a given. :p

(From Marc Berman’s Wednesday, October 18, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

“…Veronica Mars followed (Gilmore Gilrs) with a more distant 2.1/ 3 in the overnights, 3.22 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m. But before anyone starts panicking, former UPN time period occupant Sex, Love & Secrets was considerably worse on the year-ago evening at a 1.2/ 2 in the overnights, 1.57 million viewers and a 0.7/ 2 among adults 18-49. The year-ago performance for Veronica Mars (on UPN, Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2005) was a 2.7/ 4 in the overnights, 3.03 million viewers and a 1.3/ 3 among adults 18-49. Do the math, and that’s an increase of 190,000 viewers and 8 percent among adults 18-49. Veronica Mars also posted a season high among adults 18-34 (1.8/ 5), with its second best performance in adults 18-34, adults 18-49 and women 18-49. And week-to-week, Veronica was up by as much as 20 percent demographically. Yes, Veronica Mars fans -- you heard me right!...”

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

Last night most of the show was SD... then when they came back from a break about midway through the show it was HD again... and after the next break back to SD. The first show I watched last week was HD all the way through. Has anyone else had this problem?

my DVR captured it in all HD....Great Season so far...I'm really like the new dynamics and really think they transistioned it very well....its not that much different but its still different enough to feel new.

And Veronica saying Frack is just about the best thing I've heard all month...that totally makes this season...

Finally, some good news on the ratings front! Maybe 'Ronnie will get a full season after all.

What did they do to Weevil? He looks like he gained a bunch of weight, and acts like a doofus now.

What did they do to Weevil? He looks like he gained a bunch of weight, and acts like a doffs now.

He and his buddy Lee Adama went on an eating binge this Summer. :rolleyes:

What did they do to Weevil? He looks like he gained a bunch of weight, and acts like a doofus now.

That's the second cast member who has gained some weight (though Mack looks as though she's lost most of her's over the past two episodes).

It would have made sense if Weevil gained weight if he had done some time, but he made a plea bargin, hence, no major jail time.

Rob needs to pick up the pace a little, and personally, leave all the lovey-dubby high school crap out. The episode had some great lines in it though.

And, I'm liking the Dean, fills in for the old principal (or was he vice-principal?) nicely.

btw, 100% HD last night.

vice... the principal hardly appeared at all.

Last night most of the show was SD... then when they came back from a break about midway through the show it was HD again... and after the next break back to SD. The first show I watched last week was HD all the way through. Has anyone else had this problem?

Local problem. HD all the way here in Jacksonville.

vice... the principal hardly appeared at all.

Season 2 Spoiler Alert!

He became principle when it was revealed that the previous principle knocked up the janitor lady with Logan's adopted sister...geez...hehe

Another decent episode.

I have one issue, though. I feel a little old to be watching the show to begin with, no matter how good it is, but the Aerie Girls commercials (http://www.makemewatchtv.com/2006/10/04/the-aerie-girls-and-terrible-tv-advertising/) (for American Eagle) are almost ruining this show for me. How can I feel good about watching this show when I see pre-teen girls giggling and talking about who needs to date who in the show.

The CW should realize that their audience is a lot broader than that and stop risking alienating most of them.
Let me just say that I'm in The CW's demographic.

The CW should just drop the whole "youth network" theme. Act like a real network, and you'll get real network ratings. FOX figured that out.

I know that the youth demo is attractive, but COME ON! If they really wanted to attract that demo, they'd put their shows on iTunes, promote it on MySpace/YouTube, and start doing events at high schools or colleges.

I'm wondering why the writers avoided the obvious phrase booby trap for the rat traps strategically placed to catch gropers? Censors?

I'm wondering why the writers avoided the obvious phrase for the rat traps strategically placed to catch gropers? Censors?

And the "obvious" phrase would be...?

Gotta say I loved last nights ep....the interaction between V and her Dad at dinner with Logan was awesome...the show always brings a smile to face....I still think they did a very good job of transitioning it to college life-style...

There should have been more "Logan and Logan"" Matt Czuchry and Jason Dohring" promos. Maybe could have retained more viewers from Gilmore girls.

Gotta say I loved last nights ep....the interaction between V and her Dad at dinner with Logan was awesome...the show always brings a smile to face....I still think they did a very good job of transitioning it to college life-style...
The show finally settled into college mode last night and get its groove. Everything seemed to flow nicely. The previous episodes this year seemed a little awkward and contrived in how they tried to fit all the old characters into the new setting.

I don't know if this was bothering anyone else, but I had a hell of a time figuring out who Veronica and Logan were dressed up as for Halloween until I was pointed to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:White_Stripes_-_Early_Career.jpg

I don't know if this was bothering anyone else, but I had a hell of a time figuring out who Veronica and Logan were dressed up as for Halloween until I was pointed to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:White_Stripes_-_Early_Career.jpg


How did you possibly ever figure out that? ;)

- Tom

How did you possibly ever figure out that? ;)

TelevisionWithoutPity forums.

My wife was hounding me to get an answer to that. Fortunately, someone there had already asked.

One advantage to being a tad older than the desired demographic for most tv these days is the ability to instantly recognize that V and Logan were dressed as Sonny & Cher circa 1964.

How could anyone have a Sonny Bono costume without a big mustache? Yeah, he didn't have it during the "I Got You Babe" years but he had it all through the superstar TV variety show years until the day he died.

I think VM and Logan are much more likely Jack and Meg fans than they areSonny and Cher.

I think it's much more likely that Steve S's joke went over a few people's heads than that he seriously thought Veronica and Logan were dressed up as Sonny & Cher.

:)

Just watched the episode and...

Hey kids! It's BOOKER! Richard Grieco!!!!:)

Dont really need a lot of them but... I find it odd that this season has so few flashback sequences... and voiceovers... compared to previous seasons. prob flashed out from season 2.

Dont really need a lot of them but... I find it odd that this season has so few flashback sequences... and voiceovers... compared to previous seasons. prob flashed out from season 2.

I've noticed that also, but I guess it's hard to have a "flashback" with what's going on now.

I really wish they'd bring the Fitzpatricks back into the mix, I guess that's coming later though.

In an interview Rob Thomas said most of the voice overs had been added at the request of slow UPN executives who had trouble figuring out "why Veronica is going to the lumber yard".

I enjoyed last night's episode, probably the best of the season so far. The pacing was a lot like the first two seasons, with quite a lot going on.

I enjoy them bringing in Laura San Giacomo in as Keith new love interest, but she's looking a little worse for wear unfortunately.

Eating meals with the Dean is bound to make Veronica even more popular with her classmates. :)

I enjoy them bringing in Laura San Giacomo in as Keith new love interest, but she's looking a little worse for wear unfortunately.

lol...she used to look sooooooooo much better...its not even funny

I enjoy them bringing in Laura San Giacomo in as Keith new love interest, but she's looking a little worse for wear unfortunately.
Yeah, I agree, but aren't we all? :p

worse for wear? it's like she stepped out of a Stephen King ... oh wait.

worse for wear? it's like she stepped out of a Stephen King ... oh wait.

:p

The Stand was the first movie I saw her in.

And there's no way she can just be some "romantic" interest for Keith. R. Thomas is setting something up. (fingers crossed for the Fitzpatricks).

You all know that the "Do you know who I am?" midterm trick has been a urban legend since at least the early 80's? I expected the show to acknowledge that but it didn't.

Can anyone riddle me this? At the end of Season 2 Beaver blew up the plane that Veronica thought her Dad was on. The next morning she wakes up to find him home. He explains that at the last minute Sheriff Lamb decided that Keith shouldn't be on the plane and makes him drive home. So, did I miss something because Lamb isn't dead? I've seen all the eps this season but maybe I just didn't process something when they explained it. Maybe the details have never been sorted out. Can anyone help because its really bugging me!

Can anyone riddle me this? At the end of Season 2 Beaver blew up the plane that Veronica thought her Dad was on. The next morning she wakes up to find him home. He explains that at the last minute Sheriff Lamb decided that Keith shouldn't be on the plane and makes him drive home. So, did I miss something because Lamb isn't dead? I've seen all the eps this season but maybe I just didn't process something when they explained it. Maybe the details have never been sorted out. Can anyone help because its really bugging me!

I always assumed that Lamb communicated that decision by phone call and was not himself present on the plane.

- Tom

I always assumed that Lamb communicated that decision by phone call and was not himself present on the plane.

- Tom

Lamb is a cylon and was just regenerated. Ooops, wrong show. ;)

I agree, I was probably just a phone call.

Lamb is a cylon and was just regenerated. Ooops, wrong show. ;)

I agree, I was probably just a phone call.

So, do we know who was on that plane?

You all know that the "Do you know who I am?" midterm trick has been a urban legend since at least the early 80's? I expected the show to acknowledge that but it didn't.

To those of us who don't know what you're talking about -- i.e., me, at least until further notice -- what's the story on that one?

To those of us who don't know what you're talking about -- i.e., me, at least until further notice -- what's the story on that one?

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/doyouknow.asp

You all know that the "Do you know who I am?" midterm trick has been a urban legend since at least the early 80's? I expected the show to acknowledge that but it didn't.

Plus there's the fact that Logan is, you know, kind of famous and has been all over the news in Neptune the past year.

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/doyouknow.asp

Haha, I get it now, thanks. I thought Logan was being all arrogant: "Do you know who my dad used to be?!?!" :)

Haha, I get it now, thanks. I thought Logan was being all arrogant: "Do you know who my dad used to be?!?!" :)

Yeah, it went over my head also. Much cooler scene now knowing of the urban legend.

I had mixed feelings about last night's episode. I didn't care for the beginning, Veronica just seemed extra bitchy, a little out of character. But it finally came together.

I had mixed feelings about last night's episode. I didn't care for the beginning, Veronica just seemed extra bitchy, a little out of character. But it finally came together.

I figured the situation with her dad, which she confronted, had her a little off center. Got a little scary at the end. "Save the college freshman....save the Mars". Just doesn't have the same ring as a catchphrase. ;)

Looks like its coming to the end of the whole rape-story line....1 or 2 more episodes?

Looks like its coming to the end of the whole rape-story line....1 or 2 more episodes?

2 more before the break

I have a couple of ideas who's responsible... My season 1 and 2 guesses were mostly correct.:)

Hmmm...

Seems odd she would find a hair in her food, then have it exchanged only to be drugged and nearly raped in a parking lot minutes later?

Maybe someone working the cafeteria?

This show has me stumped.

I have a possible suspect for the rapes and it's a regular on the show.

Seems odd she would find a hair in her food, then have it exchanged only to be drugged and nearly raped in a parking lot minutes later?

Maybe someone working the cafeteria?

She left her drink un-attended ... rookie mistake. In short, it could have been anyone at the food court. A crime of opportunity? OTOH, the hair in the food might be important (or it could be a red-herring.)

I have a possible suspect for the rapes and it's a regular on the show.
I have a couple of ideas who's responsible... My season 1 and 2 guesses were mostly correct.
Are you going to share your insights, or wait until the story is resolved and then say "That's who I thought it was!"? :D

Piz? I don't remember if there were rapes before he got there though...

Keenan - I also think that Piz is the rapist.

Piz? I don't remember if there were rapes before he got there though...I haven't been paying close enough attention, but I thought there had already been a rape when Piz showed up to move in. But I guess just because we hadn't seen him doesn't mean he wasn't already around.

Are you going to share your insights, or wait until the story is resolved and then say "That's who I thought it was!"? :D

Yep!:D

a bit late, but...:) I posted a part of in on the season 2 thread.
The only reason I got most of season 2 was because I rewatching season 1 veronica did not follow up on Beav's alibi, and went straight to duncan during the trip to the dentist. I thought that was sort of strange... Tied Beavs attitude toward sex and mac, bc of veronica in season 1 and figured out the abused kid angle the were trying to push in earlier episodes. I didnt tie Beav to Curly/death even though I knew about his previous movie making adventures. But figured that Beav did know about explosives because of it.

btw there are some small hints and clues this season as well, but I have not enough proof.. to connect some of it up yet. but there are some interesting threads!

hopefully the patty episode will reveal something more solid.

I haven't been paying close enough attention, but I thought there had already been a rape when Piz showed up to move in. But I guess just because we hadn't seen him doesn't mean he wasn't already around.
I thought there was too, in fact, wasn't there one about the time V did a visit to Hearst while still in HS? Last season was so broken up I'm having a hard time remembering what happened back then.

I thought there was too, in fact, wasn't there one about the time V did a visit to Hearst while still in HS? Last season was so broken up I'm having a hard time remembering what happened back then.

Yep, there was a campus rape while she was visiting.

Yep, there was a campus rape while she was visiting.
That's what I thought, and we really haven't been introduced to any non-freshman, so it must be someone who was already there. Now I'm thinking the criminology professor, or his assistant.

That's what I thought, and we really haven't been introduced to any non-freshman, so it must be someone who was already there. Now I'm thinking the criminology professor, or his assistant.

I'm calling it as the geeky RA.

I'm calling it as the geeky RA.
Yes, he seems like the favorite, he works in the criminology dept, has issues with VM already which would explain the attack on her, and has talked(bragged?) about how there's no physical evidence having been left.

Sorry, just remembered what a RA is, the Resident Advisor, hmm, not sure about him, would seem to obvious maybe...

I'm calling it as the geeky RA.

I remember thinking that having him use his keys to let Veronica & the girlfriend into the boyfriend's room, and having him casually mention that he has keys to everything, seemed like a pretty huge arrow.

Remember that he does have a case diagram on his wall about the rape. BUt is it to solve the crime, or a way around it so he knows his next move??:)

Kristin confirms that Veronica has been picked up for another seven episodes, bringing the total to 20 eps.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=fd178846-3fe4-499b-b258-2aae1db13c2b

Remember that he does have a case diagram on his wall about the rape. BUt is it to solve the crime, or a way around it so he knows his next move??:)I think this is the TA (teaching assistant) to the Criminology professor, not the RA (resident assistant) in the dorm.

Yep, I have 2 different main suspects, I have other ideas about the RA was well. But to me just having keys is not enough. There just dont seem to be enough things to connect this season. while previous season 2 had tons of things that connect but led nowhere. I'm gonna try watching that season 2 episode "The Rapes of Graff" to see if there are other clues that may have missed.

Oh forgot was the hawaiian girl the first or just one of the victims? Was there someone in season 2 also in 3, TA?? Time to whip out that tape of season 2.

Oh forgot was the hawaiian girl the first or just one of the victims? Was there someone in season 2 also in 3, TA?? Time to whip out that tape of season 2.

The hawaiian girl was from Season 2, with another girl that got raped (I believe). Veronica's ex-boyfriend was being blamed for the rapes (the dude who sold drugs, shady background), and Veronica thought it was a frat-brother.

This same fraternity is the one she cleared in Season 3.

Wasn't Dick there also for the HS visit last season? And didn't he show up at Logan's room a complete mess the night if one of the rapes? Also, the guy in the hoodie was much taller than the TA.

Wasn't Dick there also for the HS visit last season? And didn't he show up at Logan's room a complete mess the night if one of the rapes? Also, the guy in the hoodie was much taller than the TA.

I don't remember if Dick was there or not. I know Wallace was there, because he was the one that talked Veronica into going. (It was the episode where Veronica kept dumping beer on that guy, and then used a stun-gun on him.)

Well, that might be my favorite episode ever: tense, exciting, hilariously funny (kiester eggs! Bwah!). If someone ever asks me why I love this show, I'll point to last night's episode and explain it that way.

Well, that might be my favorite episode ever: tense, exciting, hilariously funny (kiester eggs! Bwah!). If someone ever asks me why I love this show, I'll point to last night's episode and explain it that way.


I agree, my favorite episode of the season, it just had everything perfectly combined.

And, the promo made for next week's episode looks like a good one.

Thirded. The show was really firing on all cylinders last night.

Yep, excellent, it had a lot going on but it was all smoothly done, great stuff.

Just now getting caught up this season - watched 4 episdodes last night and I have to say that the show finally found its groove (a lot like how S2 took a while to get going as well). I have to say that after a very dissapointing start to LOST, I am so happy that VM has both multi-episode and single-episode mysteries to resolve.

A few random thoughts:

- Mac's roomates hair no longer looks like a wig. Not a big deal but without the obviousness of a wig, it sort of lulls one into forgetting that she was raped (except that they revisit the rape in the intro/flashback, so I guess its OK).

- I was totally caught off guard to see V get drugged. I should have seen that coming but didn't. I believe that the predator did not intend to rape her, only wanted to threaten her - to let her know that if he could get to her if he wanted to, so she ought to keep away from things.

- I like how things have gotten complicated again. The way the single episode from S2 fits into this season as the beginning of the story.

- Is that the same River Stix from last year? Inside looked the same but I thought it was a bar in the backyard of one of the Fitzpatricks' houses, not out in a business district (although that makes more sense)?

- Lamb is great this year. With the whole tension between him and Keith gone, he can be sort of a good guy, with great one-liners.

- I watched and re-watched the brief scene where V was staying at Wallaces' and stepped over Wallace's roomate sleeping on the floor, that showed KB's legs very nicely. I am now convinced that Shape Magazine took much liberty in airbrushing KB's waistline down considerably. IMO, they didn't need to - she's great looking as is, just a little short.

- Thought it was great that V had a fan from Neptune High at the pizza joint. Finally, someone giving her the respect she is due.

- I sort of miss the old convertible LeBaron. It just fit her better than the Hybrid Saturn. I think Saturn gave her one for real - KB mentioned she drives one on one of the talk shows.

As for Whodunnit - I have no idea.

- Finally, are there fewere commercials this year? There's an 8 minute intro before the opening credits/Dandy Warhol's song (liked the original version better) and then it goes right back to the show. The first commercial break is something like 15 minutes into the show. I'm not complaining, but it makes me wonder if they're having trouble finding advertisers (other than AERIE).

Anyway - glad the show got picked up for at least 20 episodes. I think before the season is out, The CW will realize that VM is still good enough to be on the air and will pick it up for another season.

- Finally, are there fewere commercials this year? There's an 8 minute intro before the opening credits/Dandy Warhol's song (liked the original version better) and then it goes right back to the show. The first commercial break is something like 15 minutes into the show. I'm not complaining, but it makes me wonder if they're having trouble finding advertisers (other than AERIE).

Anyway - glad the show got picked up for at least 20 episodes. I think before the season is out, The CW will realize that VM is still good enough to be on the air and will pick it up for another season.


Actually, there are more commercials this year than last, as someone pointed out to me in another thread. I believe the last episode was ~40 minutes in length, rather than the standard 42 minutes.

But, I do like that they go straight back to the show after the intro, not many shows do that anymore. I think The CW did it to get the viewers attention, which may help lead-out out of Gilmore Girls (though I don't think those two shows are a good match, I think VM and Supernatural would be better).

Actually, there are more commercials this year than last, as someone pointed out to me in another thread. I believe the last episode was ~40 minutes in length, rather than the standard 42 minutes.

Yep, it seems like most of the 1hr CW shows are taking an e-x-t-e-n-d-e-d commercial break (close to 5 mins, or longer) at the 25 min mark this season.

- Is that the same River Stix from last year? Inside looked the same but I thought it was a bar in the backyard of one of the Fitzpatricks' houses, not out in a business district (although that makes more sense)?

Remember that they came in the back door in the episode from last year. I guess that this business district backs up to older residential area. But remember the sets may not be set up that way.




Anyway - glad the show got picked up for at least 20 episodes. I think before the season is out, The CW will realize that VM is still good enough to be on the air and will pick it up for another season.

Yes, this is good news. I hope that RT and co can continue to bring us a good product make what improvements that are needed to keep and increase the audience.

Amazing episode tonight. I can't believe that there were two people involved with the rapes. I didn't see that coming. Also, Hearst is going to need to find a new a dean now.

I'm calling it as the geeky RA.

I do believe I'm entitled to at least partial credit. :)

Very good episode and a nice wrap-up to the rapist mystery, though why is it I keep feeling like Rob Thomas watched Scream one too many times?

Indeed, an excellent episode. I loved how he wrapped things up, and the way the story was told. I was wondering how the next mystery was going to be introduced, now we know.

btw, Kristen Bell is smokin' hot with the straight hair and bangs. WOW!

The final scene with Logan was cool also.

Wow. Amazing episode tonight. A lot went on, but it was done 'suspense fully.' I really hope CW keeps this show next season, it's one of the strongest shows on tv on par with House IMO.

Yeah, KB did look pretty damn good with the straight hair.

http://yogurtrat.com/files/78/snapshot_20061129__thumb.png (http://yogurtrat.com/files/78/snapshot_20061129_.png)

Just thought of something... when the professor was handing out the perfect murder papers, he mentioned one of them was about offing the Dean. I'm thinking Veronica's paper was the one about the Dean and that IF the prof killed the Dean then he has maybe set up to frame Veronica for the murder?!?

Might be too far fetched.. and with the whole rape thing.. she might have an alibi.. but she was in the general 'vicinity' of his office.

Yeah, KB did look pretty damn good with the straight hair.
You could hardly see her face.

You know that VM's paper was the one killing the Sheriff...

You know that VM's paper was the one killing the Sheriff...

Didnt catch that.

Thanks.

Oh well.. so much for rampant theories.

As someone who finally got on board this season, I was really tiring of Logan. He just seemed to be an afterthought. And when I was happy that he and Veronica finally broke up, he gets himself arrested just so he can pummel (assumingly) the rapists in their cell. That won me over.

And let's see, over the past few episodes we were growing to really like the Dean, and this past episode you couldn't help but root for him... of course he had to die. ;)

So obvious suspects are Mrs. O'Dell, professor Landry, the "conflict of interest" board member, the cigar-smoking guy (do we know who he really is? at first I thought he was a bookie, a mob guy, or the afore-mentioned board member), and anyone from "Lilith House" (Am I missing anyone?) I wonder who'll get accused first... of course it'll be Weevil (or maybe Keith Mars since his fingerprints will be all over the liquor bottles.) :p

Quick question, the band that was playing at the Frat house, was that Lars Ulrich playing the guitar? Looked just like him, and the guy was chewing gum real fast, something Lars does in real life.

Also, I agree with the Logan thing, I was really tiring of his pansy attitude the past few episodes. Finally they bring back the Logan of previous seasons.

Also, I believe the slight ratings spike for VM last night was due to two things:

1. The quality of that episode's promo. Whomever produced that promo really needs a pat on the back. IMO, it was the best promo for the show ever created.

2. The CW stepped it up a bit on running said promo. Normally, VM's promos don't get aired too much, but they aired it quite a bit over the last week. (During Primetime and the daytime block).

Also, I believe the slight ratings spike for VM last night was due to two things:

1. The quality of that episode's promo. Whomever produced that promo really needs a pat on the back. IMO, it was the best promo for the show ever created.

2. The CW stepped it up a bit on running said promo. Normally, VM's promos don't get aired too much, but they aired it quite a bit over the last week. (During Primetime and the daytime block).

Hopefully this is a positive step in the sense that the CW is starting to realize VM is a good show and it is more than worth keeping around.

OK, I'm dense.

The dean went to the room with a gun, confronted his wife and her lover, and he is the one who gets dead in his office? So, he DREAMED he confronted wife/lover and woke up when the eggs started hitting the window, then got dead?

OK, I'm dense.

The dean went to the room with a gun, confronted his wife and her lover, and he is the one who gets dead in his office? So, he DREAMED he confronted wife/lover and woke up when the eggs started hitting the window, then got dead?

I've watched the episode twice. The first time, I thought he actually went to the hotel. The second time, it seemed more like it was a dream.

Though, since he's dead, it wouldn't make sense that it was a dream, since in later episodes, there is no way to prove it.

Yea, I believe that the confrontation did take place.

I'm wondering if Lamb's going to dismiss this as a suicide since he's at his desk, maybe after writing a note, and the wound seems to have powder burns on the skin. His hand is at his side, but the floor isn't in frame. I'm guessing that's where the gun is.


ETA: one other note, it's a shame that the Dean never got to experience his HDTV since Weevil was bringing the HDTV receiver when he found him! :(

I'm a tad bit disapointed with who the rapist are but that is probably because the first two villians came out of nowhere and made perfect sense.

As anyone noticed all of the acne on Weevil? Where did that come from?

Favorite Scene Ever in any VM: Logan taking the baseball bat with that look on his face to the cop car...that was absolutely amazing...

ETA: one other note, it's a shame that the Dean never got to experience his HDTV since Weevil was bringing the HDTV receiver when he found him! :(Nah - I think it was just an SD Tivo. I thought I could see "80" on the corner of the box - I don't think there's an 80 gig HD Tivo.

I do believe I'm entitled to at least partial credit. :)

Very good episode and a nice wrap-up to the rapist mystery, though why is it I keep feeling like Rob Thomas watched Scream one too many times?
Yup, good call. :)

I'm a tad bit disapointed with who the rapist are but that is probably because the first two villians came out of nowhere and made perfect sense.

As anyone noticed all of the acne on Weevil? Where did that come from?

He's had the acne problem in every episode he's been in this season. It was a lot worse when during his return episode (working at the car wash).

Maybe that's a reason he was written into the script as much for the first mystery. Plus, as I mentioned several weeks ago, he's put on some weight also, though it looks like he's slowly losing it (like Mac did).

Maybe I missed something but...

Didn't Logan's friend who was one of the rapists have an alibi with Logan being in Mexico?

Was that explained?

Maybe I missed something but...

Didn't Logan's friend who was one of the rapists have an alibi with Logan being in Mexico?

Was that explained?

Hmmm. Maybe that was for the "fake" rape? The alibi that he ended up using was the radio broadcast that he did, which V later realized was on tape.

And they still haven't said what "aweful" thing Dick did, from earlier in the season.

Hmmm. Maybe that was for the "fake" rape? .

Right.

Note: This is not a spoiler.

I just read an interview where Rob Thomas said he didn't mean for viewers to be confused (though I was) with whether the Dean killed anyone at the hotel. The answer is no, he didn't kill them.

Here's the interview:
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=4992edd6-8f92-4afd-b1a4-d98abaf9af4f

From that same link...

Not only was last night’s episode thoroughly rocking in every way, but the ratings reflected it, scoring 3.5 million viewers—the biggest audience ever in the CW's coveted 18-34 demo. Yeeeeeay!

Good news for us VM fans, I guess!

Maybe I missed something but...

Didn't Logan's friend who was one of the rapists have an alibi with Logan being in Mexico?

Was that explained?

I wondered this same thing. Didn't Logan claim to V that he and Mercer were in Mexico (the ablibi) when the rape that happend during the summer occurred? I was confused when Logan said it becuase I didn't remember a "rape from the summer." I'm sure the writers considered this and it's me who's slow on the uptake.

Note: This is not a spoiler.

I just read an interview where Rob Thomas said he didn't mean for viewers to be confused (though I was) with whether the Dean killed anyone at the hotel. The answer is no, he didn't kill them.

Here's the interview:
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=4992edd6-8f92-4afd-b1a4-d98abaf9af4f

Interesting interview. I still don't get why VM remains so under-appreciated. The writing and the performers are all top notch. To me, that's the mystery.

I dont like the sound of a possible format change of the show.

I dont like the sound of a possible format change of the show.
I don't either, I like the running mystery thing, but if that's what it takes to keep the show on the air, then I'm sure Thomas will do it right. I don't want to see this show turn into a CSI:Neptune or a Law & Order:College Criminals.

Agreed. But if they can do a 3-4 episode mystery, I'm down with that. The writers of "House" do a pretty good job with their story arcs, so I'm confident Rob could do the same.

EDIT:

What I think would work is a tie-in with Supernatural. Since Veronica has "seen" ghosts in the past, it would be believable on the show. Have Sam and Dean make their way to Neptune for whatever reason. And of course, have characters on each other's shows for the story arc. It's been done with other networks in the past, and with success.

The reason I think this would work is because the two shows are both very dark dramas. And as I mentioned before, in the future, I think they should be paired on the same night (though I have no idea which night that should be).

I wondered this same thing. Didn't Logan claim to V that he and Mercer were in Mexico (the ablibi) when the rape that happend during the summer occurred? I was confused when Logan said it becuase I didn't remember a "rape from the summer." I'm sure the writers considered this and it's me who's slow on the uptake.

The Lilith house girls were faking some rapes, which made the Mexico alibi moot. We were never told if the summer-rape was a real rape or not. That's my take on it anyway.

Agreed. But if they can do a 3-4 episode mystery, I'm down with that. The writers of "House" do a pretty good job with their story arcs, so I'm confident Rob could do the same.

Agreed. Still, the old formula with a season long arc and "mini-mysteries" was what I thought was a good approach. However, given a choice, I'd rather have a somewhat format-altered VM, rather than none at all, especially this is the first year I can actually see the show in HD (we had the SD version here in Jax for previous seasons).

Agreed. Still, the old formula with a season long arc and "mini-mysteries" was what I thought was a good approach. However, given a choice, I'd rather have a somewhat format-altered VM, rather than none at all, especially this is the first year I can actually see the show in HD (we had the SD version here in Jax for previous seasons).

Oh yeah, the season long mystery is what I'd love to see, but you know, VM needs it's ratings. And it's the truth, during the first two seasons, you couldn't just jump into this show mid-way through the season.

(That's why I haven't watched Lost the past two seasons, I'm still on Episode 10 of the first season. Though, I have them all recorded and archived for a rainy day).

Just read the interview with the comment from RT about the possible format change after the next mystery is wrapped up.

Maybe Rob could slip in a mystery that's under the Exec's noses. Make them think that the episodes are truly stand-alone only, but in reality there are clues being dropped here and there, for the truly ardent viewer to pick up on. It could be a season-long mystery, just not the primary focus of the show. That way, we would would all get the satisfaction we want. The problem is how to establish the set-up of the mystery - that's what would have to be so super sly. Maybe the set-up could be given on-line, with only the clues delved out on the show...

Just read the interview with the comment from RT about the possible format change after the next mystery is wrapped up.

Maybe Rob could slip in a mystery that's under the Exec's noses. Make them think that the episodes are truly stand-alone only, but in reality there are clues being dropped here and there, for the truly ardent viewer to pick up on. It could be a season-long mystery, just not the primary focus of the show. That way, we would would all get the satisfaction we want. The problem is how to establish the set-up of the mystery - that's what would have to be so super sly. Maybe the set-up could be given on-line, with only the clues delved out on the show...

Too funny! I like it!!

Oh yeah, the season long mystery is what I'd love to see, but you know, VM needs it's ratings. And it's the truth, during the first two seasons, you couldn't just jump into this show mid-way through the season.
I did during the first season. Each show had a self-contained secondary plot along with the running plot which made it worth watching. After two or three shows (and a bunch of "previouslys") I was able to figure out the running storyline.

I did during the first season. Each show had a self-contained secondary plot along with the running plot which made it worth watching. After two or three shows (and a bunch of "previouslys") I was able to figure out the running storyline.


Same here - I started watching mid-way through S1 summer repeats and figured out what was going on with the opening recaps.

That's because you guys are smart, the general public isn't. :)

Just read the interview with the comment from RT about the possible format change after the next mystery is wrapped up.

Maybe Rob could slip in a mystery that's under the Exec's noses. Make them think that the episodes are truly stand-alone only, but in reality there are clues being dropped here and there, for the truly ardent viewer to pick up on. It could be a season-long mystery, just not the primary focus of the show. That way, we would would all get the satisfaction we want. The problem is how to establish the set-up of the mystery - that's what would have to be so super sly. Maybe the set-up could be given on-line, with only the clues delved out on the show...

Like how Buffy would give hints seasons in advance. Though probably wouldn't take much to get past the Execs.

Like how Buffy would give hints seasons in advance. Though probably wouldn't take much to get past the Execs.
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But that is one thing I love about VM. They have the season long storyline but each episode has its own mystery. You could watch one episode and just follow that mystyery, but if you watch the show you'll follow two of them.

Atleast the ratings are up, so they might not cancel the show! :D

well it's gonna be downhill untill the end of Jan, with reruns and all.

Watch with Kristin
Q&A: Kristen Bell Talks Death, LoVe and Veronica's Future
by Kristin Veitch E! Online Blog Dec. 11, 2006 2:25 PM

Lest anyone ever try to tell you otherwise, remember this: Kristen Bell is a freaking goddess. In real life, the girl we know and love as Veronica Mars is witty, charming, kind and willing to take time out, even on an extremely busy night, to answer all my inane questions, like what it's like to kiss Jason Dohring. (Oh, you know you wanna know, too!)

This has always been my experience with the lovely Ms. Bell. And Thursday night, at a party launching the new seenon.com (a Website where you can buy your favorite TV character's fashions), was no exception. As you can see, Kristen was her usual playful, non-Hollywood self, taking time to feel up a mannequin on the red carpet. That's my girl!

Anyhoo, because I'm sure you fans will gobble this up like gravy, allow me to share with you my exclusive one-on-one chat with Kristen Bell, in which she discusses the possible format change for her CW show, another upcoming death (Ay, carumba!) and, of course, the prospects of LoVe (Logan and Veronica).

Okay, girl. Can we talk about that finale? So, so good!
Thanks! It was awesome, because it was [creator] Rob [Thomas]'s episode. He wrote and directed it, which is always a treat for us, because he is the end-all of the storyline. He is the creator, and he knows everyone best, and his voice is so specific when he writes.

So, are you and Logan done for the season?
There will be some parts before the end of the season, I think. I am not positive, because I've only read up to episode 14. I know that we're done for a little bit, so each of us might have new love interests—we may or may not.

I love Logan. Don't get me wrong. But I'm also kinda digging Piz. Should I feel bad about that?
No! Isn't he a sweetheart? I think Veronica definitely needs someone who isn't brooding all the time and isn't always "woe is me." She needs someone fun, someone who won't complicate her life. At the beginning of the season, Rob said he wanted to do something that was the polar opposite of Logan. Which is goofy, light and funny, which is Piz, basically.

Rob dropped a bit of a doozy on me last week: that Veronica might no longer have big mysteries but, instead, stand-alone episodes. How do you feel about that?
I think because it was seven more episodes instead of nine and because we are all ending on the same week on the CW, I think it would be interesting. And I actually like the idea of keeping it fresh and not constantly trying to do the same thing. That is what the writers have been doing from day one, keeping it fresh and always turning the tables. I think if they have four episodes instead of six if they are like, "We don't want to make it so convoluted and confusing. Let's just give them some really good single storylines and single-arc episodes."

And maybe, hopefully, get more viewers.
That's another thing they are trying to do: simplify it without losing the respect we have gained from our fans for being an intelligent show.

How are you feeling about a fourth season?
I'm always hoping for one. I'm weird. I have to say that it is not out of cockiness at all, but I have never worried about our pickup, even the last seven, because I just think it is a good show, and I think it would be stupid of the network to not pick us up.

It is the smartest show they have on the network. And, well, dare I say the smartest show on TV?
[Laughs] I hope so! We all have our fingers crossed that season four will happen.

So, what's coming up? Give me something good!
Oh, you have not seen the end of the deaths. I don't want to say murders or deaths, but I'll say this: More people kick the bucket before this season is over. You think, How could we possibly? But, we do.

That's a good one.
Yeah, I know—you can spoil that. We're shooting one right now where somebody—pow!

And is Veronica dating Piz in the episode you're on?
No, not on the episode we're on right now. She's all on her lonesome.

If you had to make a prediction, what would you say is the future of LoVe?
I honestly think Logan and Veronica are star-crossed, and you can't explain why they keep going back to each other regardless of the mistakes each have made. I think it will always be a tug between the two of them, no matter who they are dating. In the upcoming episodes, I think what they have been doing is to allow Logan to have a more human side. Everybody loves the obligatory, psychotic, jackass scenes, but they are going to give him a manlier, human side.

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Television Without Pity has another long interview with creator Rob Thomas. (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a12755/) It's full of industry jargon like "breaking" an episode and how writing the episodes is difficult because unentertaining plot shortcuts are so tempting.

In the room right now, we've been discussing how a hotel robe went from one bag to another, I swear to God, for two days.

I love the radio commercials we have here in DC that are personal adds and they recommend Veronica Mars...

Can't wait for tomorrow night

I love the radio commercials we have here in DC that are personal adds and they recommend Veronica Mars...

Can't wait for tomorrow night
I heard that earlier today, those are awesome!

Anyway, only like 13 more minutes! VM always gets the worst days. It had a new episode for the midterms, and now SOTU! We need The CW to take care of this show better.