... if those crack whores wouldn't do it lol
How dare you demean them! They were obviously refined, classy ladies of the evening!

How dare you demean them! They were obviously refined, classy ladies of the evening!

Sheesh! Sorry if I offended any members of the Crack Whore Union. Didn't mean to disparage their proud profession :-)

He was referring to a Cleveland Steamer.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cleveland+steamer

So am I the only freak who knew exactly what he was talking about when she said "a Cleveland what??". Possibly the funniest moment in the history of Prison Break (granted, there aren't many funny moments to compare it to.)

I just want to defend upstanding members of the "escort" community. They provide a valuable service to the weary business traveler and visitors to the great state of Nevada.

crack whores just stand on the street and beg for money.

So am I the only freak who knew exactly what he was talking about when she said "a Cleveland what??". Possibly the funniest moment in the history of Prison Break (granted, there aren't many funny moments to compare it to.)
Ermmm...no. :o Although I didn't know there was a specific slang term for it, I definitely knew when he said they could do a dry run ( :eek: ) on the glass top coffee table (with the camera angle from below...now that was funny), he wasn't talkin' about playing cards. :D

As posted in the "Hot Off The Press" sticky....
TV Notebook
Fox: No Hiatus for Prison Break
By John Consoli Media Week (with Marc Berman) NOVEMBER 15, 2006 -

Fox is leaning toward running 22 consecutive episodes first-run of Prison Break this season straight through, choosing not to pull the series at the end of the November sweeps as it did last season, before bringing it back in March, Preston Beckman, executive vp, strategic program planning at Fox said today at the International Radio & Television Society breakfast session.

Last season, Fox pulled the series after the Nov. 28 episode and brought it back in first-run on March 20, airing it through May 22 which was the final week of the season. At the time, Fox got complaints from viewers who wanted to watch the series in consecutive weeks, like Fox airs its drama series 24.

This season, Fox has already aired 11 episodes but will continue running the next 11 originals. "We do have a little break because we will be airing two BCS [college Bowl Championship Series] games and a two-hour 24 premiere in January (in the Prison Break time period)," Beckman said, but it will run straight through after that."

Prison Break, much like other serials, ABC's Lost and Desperate Housewives, and its own 24, do not do well in repeat.

NBC also plans to air its freshman hit serialized drama, Heroes, straight through in originals, after only a short hiatus, beginning Jan. 22, according to Mitch Metcalf, executive vp, program planning and scheduling at NBC. The network has aired eight so far and will air three more in fourth quarter before bringing the series back in all first-run in January.

And ABC, which aired just six episodes of Lost and now has the series on hiatus, will bring it back in February and run the remaining 16 episodes. Jeff Bader, executive vp, ABC Entertainment, the network is hoping to keep viewer interest up during the hiatus by airing clips from the upcoming episodes during telecasts of Daybreak, the drama series that will be airing in the Lost, 9 p.m. Wednesday time period between now and February.

Bader said ABC decided on this strategy over two others--hold back premiering Lost this season until January and running it 22 episodes straight through, or airing the six episodes as it did and then airing Lost repeats until February when the originals return. Of the first option, he said the network was making too many other scheduling moves, like moving Grey's Anatomy to Thursday, and bringing on eight new shows, "plus we weren't sure how Dancing With the Stars would do." So the decision was made to open the season with some original Lost episodes. The second option was not selected, Bader said, "because Lost repeats are like crimes against humanity" when it comes to getting viewers.

CBS will pull its freshman serialized drama hit, Jericho, after its first-run Nov. 29 airing and bring it back in first-run in February also, rather than airing it in repeat during its first-run hiatus. Kelly Kahl, executive vp, programming operations, for CBS, said Jericho will still be available in repeat for viewers online, and said the network will be airing commercials touting the return of the show in February. --

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003408065

As posted in the "Hot Off The Press" sticky....
TV Notebook
Fox: No Hiatus for Prison Break
By John Consoli Media Week (with Marc Berman) NOVEMBER 15, 2006 -

Fox is leaning toward running 22 consecutive episodes first-run of Prison Break this season straight through, choosing not to pull the series at the end of the November sweeps as it did last season, before bringing it back in March, Preston Beckman, executive vp, strategic program planning at Fox said today at the International Radio & Television Society breakfast session.

Last season, Fox pulled the series after the Nov. 28 episode and brought it back in first-run on March 20, airing it through May 22 which was the final week of the season. At the time, Fox got complaints from viewers who wanted to watch the series in consecutive weeks, like Fox airs its drama series 24.

This season, Fox has already aired 11 episodes but will continue running the next 11 originals. "We do have a little break because we will be airing two BCS [college Bowl Championship Series] games and a two-hour 24 premiere in January (in the Prison Break time period)," Beckman said, but it will run straight through after that."

Prison Break, much like other serials, ABC's Lost and Desperate Housewives, and its own 24, do not do well in repeat.

NBC also plans to air its freshman hit serialized drama, Heroes, straight through in originals, after only a short hiatus, beginning Jan. 22, according to Mitch Metcalf, executive vp, program planning and scheduling at NBC. The network has aired eight so far and will air three more in fourth quarter before bringing the series back in all first-run in January.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003408065



Great News!!!!!! For Heroes as well!

Ermmm...no. :o Although I didn't know there was a specific slang term for it, I definitely knew when he said they could do a dry run ( :eek: ) on the glass top coffee table (with the camera angle from below...now that was funny), he wasn't talkin' about playing cards. :D


Lol, yeah that was the funnies bit of the entire series. I resisted the urge to tell my wife what I was laughing about, she already thinks I'm a big pervert. :D

Milton Burrough admitted his favorite pastime was the Cleveland Steamer on the Howard Stern show shortly before his death.

Milton Burrough admitted his favorite pastime was the Cleveland Steamer on the Howard Stern show shortly before his death.

Not to be confused with Milton Berle, who was actually a much bigger fan of the Dirty Sanchez.

Milton Burrough ....

Wait, is he related to Lincoln Burrows? This show can get so confusing....

That was the worst episode I've seen of this show. I was a huge fan of Season 1 and have been laughing at Season 2, but it still kept me interested until last night.

YOU!!!, It's YOU.....Daddy oh daddy, I can't believe you did that to another human being...bla bla bla.....Daddy oh daddy, I love you, you saved my life.

I've never seen such good show go down hill this fast.

I thought last night was a good episode.. its moving a little slow, but I still like the story.. or is it that I like the story just to see how it plays out!

That was the worst episode I've seen of this show. I was a huge fan of Season 1 and have been laughing at Season 2, but it still kept me interested until last night.

YOU!!!, It's YOU.....Daddy oh daddy, I can't believe you did that to another human being...bla bla bla.....Daddy oh daddy, I love you, you saved my life.

I've never seen such good show go down hill this fast.

Yeah it was pretty bad. Some cool moments, but not many. That Iron had to hurt.

The show makes me laugh sometimes, which isn't a good thing, like when they zoom in on Michael's face and he says, now is when we stop running, then they cue the dramatic music. Right after commerical break they are driving and they see the marshal, they spin the car around and proceed to run from him. Guess their moment didn't last very long.

Yeah it was pretty bad. Some cool moments, but not many. That Iron had to hurt.

The show makes me laugh sometimes, which isn't a good thing, like when they zoom in on Michael's face and he says, now is when we stop running, then they cue the dramatic music. Right after commerical break they are driving and they see the marshal, they spin the car around and proceed to run from him. Guess their moment didn't last very long.


LMAO, good one.

I didn't know the FBI could call in an air strike from the Military. By the looks of the previews, I guess Sucrete (I think that is his name) will have about 4 micro seconds to jump out of that plane before missle lock...LOL!!!

I still watch to find out what happens, but it's so goofy, I treat it like I do a B movie.

I didn't know the FBI could call in an air strike from the Military.
It's all part of the One World Conspiracy. The FBI could order a Space Shuttle launch if it were to protect the World Order!

Yeah the "I love you Daddy, no wait I hate you Daddy. Nevermind I love you dead Daddy" part wasn't very convincing. It was fun watching Bellick attempt to outsmart a small town female investigator with both of his brain cells working at full power.

Yeah the "I love you Daddy, no wait I hate you Daddy. Nevermind I love you dead Daddy" part wasn't very convincing. It was fun watching Bellick attempt to outsmart a small town female investigator with both of his brain cells working at full power.
:D :D

I didn't get the part about the girl drowning in the tub. Did the "bad guy" just walk away and leave her in the hope that she couldn't just get out? (You will note that she did.)

I didn't get the part about the girl drowning in the tub. Did the "bad guy" just walk away and leave her in the hope that she couldn't just get out? (You will note that she did.)


Yes apparently he's a highly trained idiot lol.

I didn't get the part about the girl drowning in the tub. Did the "bad guy" just walk away and leave her in the hope that she couldn't just get out? (You will note that she did.)

I didn't get that either. Somehow by draining the tub she was able to get free? I was pretty sure that her hands were tied behind her back when he was holding her head under water. And speaking of this, exactly how long can she hold her breath (with her mouth wide open, no less)??

I didn't get the part about the girl drowning in the tub. Did the "bad guy" just walk away and leave her in the hope that she couldn't just get out? (You will note that she did.)

He had to leave because someone knocked on the door. Plus, he was "preparing" the drop cloth to cut her body into pieces with the hacksaw (which they showed him doing).

She would have drowned before the tub drained - considering how long she was under water before pulling the plug. And yes her hands were tied behind her back, but more importantly, if she was able to get herself far enough into the tub to yank that chain with her mouth, why not just get herself completely into the tub and then roll over and sit up?

She would have drowned before the tub drained - considering how long she was under water before pulling the plug. And yes her hands were tied behind her back, but more importantly, if she was able to get herself far enough into the tub to yank that chain with her mouth, why not just get herself completely into the tub and then roll over and sit up?

Amen....Amen

After what Michael saw in Prison and during the escape after how could he still be haunted by the killing of the nasty man who was torturing/imprisoning him?

We can't expect common sense in this show, or we may as well check out now lol. I for one want to see how this ends.

Also, how could she have known he had left the bathroom while she under water? And what motel has large whirlpool tubs with a stopper on a chain?

And why didn't she just bury the iron in his skull instead of trying to get the wrinkles out of his chest with it? Ooo ooo it burns! It burns! I'm helpless because the iron is causing me such pain!

My PC keeps cutting off the previews to switch to recording Heroes. Is there anywhere online you can see the previews for next week?

Iteki,

I think Michael was talking about himself when he was saying "How can you do that to another human"

His father left him for that stuff to happen. He didn't care one bit about the other guy.

But the writers deliberately set us up with the red herring that Michael's real father was the abuser (if you remember, the man's face was kept in the dark). Then we learn that Michael is just all upset about his father abandoning him. Just a little "gotcha" to keep it interesting. :rolleyes:

We have to go along with a lot of improbabilities in order to have a program and that is fine. The bathtub matter was going to far, however. It reminds me of the resolutions to some of the old Saturday movie serial cliffhangers from the '40's. Sometimes the hero would be shot dead center and the next week he wasn't even injured.

Iteki,

I think Michael was talking about himself when he was saying "How can you do that to another human"

His father left him for that stuff to happen. He didn't care one bit about the other guy.


I'd buy that, but he finishes the statement 'with your own hands'

I'd buy that, but he finishes the statement 'with your own hands'


I think he was talking about what his father did to the guy, not to himself. If that was the case, Michael wouldn't have spent 10 minutes telling everyone one happened and just ran so the FBI guy wouldn't catch up.

But the writers deliberately set us up with the red herring that Michael's real father was the abuser (if you remember, the man's face was kept in the dark). Then we learn that Michael is just all upset about his father abandoning him. Just a little "gotcha" to keep it interesting. :rolleyes:

Even so, we have been told several times that Michael didn't know his father, so the trying to lead us believe his father abused him wouldn't work, least it didn't on me :confused:

Last night was pretty ridiculous, but I'm enjoying the ride ever since I decided to ignore all the problems.

Watch it like you're reading one of those old pulp novels (even better than the comic-book analogy I think).

High point of the episode: Bellick's interrogation/arrest.

Low point: No T-Bag. (WTH?)

Even so, we have been told several times that Michael didn't know his father, so the trying to lead us believe his father abused him wouldn't work, least it didn't on me :confused:
Point taken.

Last night was pretty ridiculous, but I'm enjoying the ride ever since I decided to ignore all the problems.

Watch it like you're reading one of those old pulp novels (even better than the comic-book analogy I think).

High point of the episode: Bellick's interrogation/arrest.

Low point: No T-Bag. (WTH?)

I agree with everything you say I loved Bellick's arrest and no T-Bag was a disappointment as well.

I am sure this has been posted but when does the new season start up again?

I think he was talking about what his father did to the guy, not to himself. If that was the case, Michael wouldn't have spent 10 minutes telling everyone one happened and just ran so the FBI guy wouldn't catch up.

Exactly. Michael was repulsed by the murder. The OP thought Michael was talking about himself.

Speaking of T-Bag, are they even going to try and explain how he isn't bleeding to death now that he removed his hand (again)? Of course they've never explained how he continues to overpower larger, stronger men despite only having one hand, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much.

T-Bag is one bad mutha! That's how! :D

Speaking of T-Bag, are they even going to try and explain how he isn't bleeding to death now that he removed his hand (again)?
Of course not! Did you just start watching this show? :D

High point of the episode: Bellick's interrogation/arrest.

Low point: No T-Bag. (WTH?)


I totally missed T-Bag...I want him in every episode...handless or not. :D

Bellick is finally getting what he deserves, a little taste of his own medicine...I have been waiting for this ever since he killed the pet kitty in Season 1.

The great thing about Bellick being arrested is we now have season 3 set up perfectly. Michael will get sent to prison to help free the unjustly imprisoned Bellick. :D

I totally missed T-Bag...I want him in every episode...handless or not. :D
Whenever I hear a white DJ talking on our local hip-hop station, I immediately think of Tweener. :)

What I don't get is the credit card receipt of Bellick's. We were shown that T-Bag handled that receipt, so one simple fingerprint test will place T-Bag at the scene of the murder. It won't however say Bellick wasn't there. But out of the two, who you think most likely would of done it? Any agree with me here?

The great thing about Bellick being arrested is we now have season 3 set up perfectly. Michael will get sent to prison to help free the unjustly imprisoned Bellick. :D

Now that Mahone has tracked down Michael and Lincoln, this scenario might not be that far from the truth. He's obviously not going to kill them (even though it appears that's what his orders are), so maybe he sends them back to Fox River and they end up working with Bellick to escape again.....

What I don't get is the credit card receipt of Bellick's. We were shown that T-Bag handled that receipt, so one simple fingerprint test will place T-Bag at the scene of the murder. It won't however say Bellick wasn't there. But out of the two, who you think most likely would of done it? Any agree with me here?

Good point, but to take it even further--not only would his fingerprints be on the receipt, they'd also be all over the hotel room. The champagne bottle (assuming he didn't get rid of it), the door, etc. It wouldn't be very hard to prove that T-bag was there. Also, what happened to his hand that was attached to the radiator? That would be pretty good evidence that he really was in town....

Now that Mahone has tracked down Michael and Lincoln, this scenario might not be that far from the truth. He's obviously not going to kill them (even though it appears that's what his orders are), so maybe he sends them back to Fox River and they end up working with Bellick to escape again.....

Or maybe Mahone's contract is up with FOX...my bet is that Mahone turns the gun on himself.

=NLK=

I was going to add in my list of "no way that could happen" moments of stupidity and defiance of the laws of time and physics - but then I realized, Wile E. Coyote could never overcome them while chasing the Road Runner. The engine on his jetpack always failed and he fell from the sky, or the road ran out and he fell off the cliff. His only feat was not dying in all of these falls and efforts. SO, I guess the Road Runner cartoons were more realistic than Prison Break has become. I used to think it was the other way around.

I think perhaps the most unrealistic thing I've seen on the show is that some small, podunk town in the middle of Kansas (and I'm from Kansas originally) would have what appears to be a very nice luxury type hotel, complete with suites, bathrobes and champagne. Most towns like that are lucky to have a Holiday Inn.

Also, what happened to his hand that was attached to the radiator? That would be pretty good evidence that he really was in town....
"Do you smell something, honey? I think a mouse died behind the radiator. Oh my God!"

Piece of useless trivia. The current Prison Break promo running for next week uses the song "It's Not Over" as the bed from the just released Chris Daughtry CD entitled "Daughtry."

Another bit of useless trivia: today is the 35 anniversary of the D.B. Cooper legend. Still bothers me that the old man died, it would have been fun to see him on the run with the gang. It definitely would have helped them out.

Mahone was being fed some information from the Secret Service Agent who has since been whiped from their database. Question now is this: Will the Secret Service Agent come clean to someone on what is happening to save his OWN life, or will he continue to track down what he's looking for to save grace with the President and regain respect?

"Do you smell something, honey? I think a mouse died behind the radiator. Oh my God!"


Exactly...that hand is behind the radiator...the cops missed it.

Piece of useless trivia. The current Prison Break promo running for next week uses the song "It's Not Over" as the bed from the just released Chris Daughtry CD entitled "Daughtry."


I enjoy useless trivia. :)

The great thing about Bellick being arrested is we now have season 3 set up perfectly. Michael will get sent to prison to help free the unjustly imprisoned Bellick. :D


Bellick can rot! :D

Is the rumor true that Prison Break might not go on the mid-season hiatus until Jan.? Or is Monday night the last show until then?

Is the rumor true that Prison Break might not go on the mid-season hiatus until Jan.? Or is Monday night the last show until then?

it ends tomorrow (monday) for the Fall and returns in January (instead of March as it did last season) for uninterrupted episodes...

WOW, I loved the ending twister. This is a great show ! :D

WOW, I loved the ending twister. This is a great show ! :D

INDEED... Great ending! Best show on TV :D

I thought Kellerman and Mahone would end up shooting one another as they turned a corner or something.

Good stuff.

Realistically though, how much longer can they prolong this show? Another 10 episodes seems like more than enough to get lincoln's name cleared with kellerman's help.

Belick in jail was hilarious..I guess they can continue the show next year with him trying to break out??

INDEED... Great ending! Best show on TV :D


Totally good... :D

T-Bag is one bad handless escaped convict... :confused: He's killed alot of people since he escaped...somehow Michael is going to have to atone for that...in the karmic scheme of things.

Bellick is finally getting what he deserves! :D

I know a lot of you guys (and gals :)) like to see T-bag on screen more often, but after tonight, I honestly don't think I can stomach the guy much more. I got into the whole show real good otherwise, but every moment he was on screen tonight was torturous for me.

As many truly unlikeable scumbags as there are in the show's cast (the asian guy has to be right near the top), T-bag - predator that he is - has easily got to be the utmost lowest and slimiest. The guy is definitely sub-human.

He never bothered me that much, and I always found him sort of comical - but I just had none of that feeling whatsover tonight. Just pure loathing and repulsion. I think I just finally reached my breaking point with his character, unless it was just my general mood or something - I'm just not entertained by the guy anymore.

They really do seem to be toeing the line of good taste with this guy more than ever now - but I guess that's to be expected from Fox :rolleyes:. I wish they would ease off a bit with some of his more disturbing antics, or I'll stop watching for the same reason I don't watch a lot of the primetime "dramas" - mainly because of the gratuitous gore and violence.

Otherwise, I enjoyed the episode :cool:.

Mahone was being fed some information from the Secret Service Agent who has since been whiped from their database. Question now is this: Will the Secret Service Agent come clean to someone on what is happening to save his OWN life, or will he continue to track down what he's looking for to save grace with the President and regain respect?

Looks like my questioned was answered. He's going to help the bro's, or so it appears.

While I really like this show, it is starting to get a little old, to many times they are captured only to be rescued by someone, no one has that much luck. It was so obvious that Kellerman was going to shoot the FBI dude, we knew that as soon as he made the phone call, otherwise, what else would of happened, they go back to jail? Not likely, obviously, someone else came to their rescue at the last minute.

I want t-bag to pay for his crimes, big time. However, it is unrealistic to think someone could survive having his hand chopped off, sewed on, then ripped off again. Especially the second time, with no medical treatment, he wouldn't be able to stop the bleeding by just wrapping a rag around it, he would be dead by now.

I knew that would happen to Bellick weeks ago, but it was still sweet to see him standing there, good scene.

Great episode last night. I have to admit I didn't see the twist coming. Maybe it's because I've learned to turn my brain off when I watch this show. :D

Bellick in prison, especially with *that* particular inmate, was one of the highlights.

To the poster above, you're just *now* being repulsed by T-bag? ;)

not for nothing but how does t-bag get so much pus8y??? the guy has 1 hand (and shouldnt the stub be filled with blood????????), he is all beat up, he hasnt showered in a week, he's always sweating, he looks like a a extra from hee-haw, yet he's slept with 2 woman since he escaped, both within minutes of meeting them. There are a million things unbelievable about this show but that just bothers me.

I know a lot of you guys (and gals :)) like to see T-bag on screen more often, but after tonight, I honestly don't think I can stomach the guy much more.
That character has worn on me since the beginning. Once he starts his drawl, I can't wait until they cut to the next scene. I really wanted him gone when Abruzzi chopped off the hand, but instead they got rid of Abruzzi. Guess Peter had more V-dub commercials to do.

I wish they would ease off a bit with some of his more disturbing antics, or I'll stop watching for the same reason I don't watch a lot of the primetime "dramas" - mainly because of the gratuitous gore and violence.

What "gratuitous gore and violence"? Everything in that area was implied - first by showing the artificial hand attached to T-Bag's arm, and then showing the feet of the female victim. We were never shown the actual events themselves.

I think this episode served an important purpose regarding T-Bag, which was to amplify his deplorable character and lack of humanity. His character had become almost heroic for lots of viewers, and I think tonight's episode was the writer's way of deflating any option on the part of the viewer to like this guy. And it really does seem to have repercussions for Michael in a karmic sense.

What "gratuitous gore and violence"? Everything in that area was implied - first by showing the artificial hand attached to T-Bag's arm, and then showing the feet of the female victim. We were never shown the actual events themselves.

I think this episode served an important purpose regarding T-Bag, which was to amplify his deplorable character and lack of humanity. His character had become almost heroic for lots of viewers, and I think tonight's episode was the writer's way of deflating any option on the part of the viewer to like this guy. And it really does seem to have repercussions for Michael in a karmic sense.

One thing that I keep going back to is we never see T-Bag kill anyone, only the aftermath. PB has shown plenty of other characters being offed, just not by T-Bag (if I'm wrong on this I guess my theory is out the window). We see legs hanging out past a desk or a picture of the vet, supposedly dead, on that exam table. The only person we know for sure that got killed is Geary, but that dude was hardly an innocent in all this.

I guess I still wouldn't put it past this show to reveal that T-Bag left a trail of severely incapacitated victims rather than a trail of dead bodies.

Does anyone remember seeing ol' Theodore actually kill an innocent person? Seems like every time it is simply implied that he did.

That character has worn on me since the beginning. Once he starts his drawl, I can't wait until they cut to the next scene. I really wanted him gone when Abruzzi chopped off the hand, but instead they got rid of Abruzzi. Guess Peter had more V-dub commercials to do.


So, it's his DRAWL that gets to you? I guess you are one of those folks that think someone with a drawl or accent are ignorant or an idiot or a redneck? Sorry if I'm reading into this too much, it just hits a little too close to home.

One thing that I keep going back to is we never see T-Bag kill anyone, only the aftermath. PB has shown plenty of other characters being offed, just not by T-Bag (if I'm wrong on this I guess my theory is out the window). We see legs hanging out past a desk or a picture of the vet, supposedly dead, on that exam table. The only person we know for sure that got killed is Geary, but that dude was hardly an innocent in all this.

I guess I still wouldn't put it past this show to reveal that T-Bag left a trail of severely incapacitated victims rather than a trail of dead bodies.

Does anyone remember seeing ol' Theodore actually kill an innocent person? Seems like every time it is simply implied that he did.

T-Bag did stab and kill a guard in season one.

Was the timing of events completely screwed up on this episode, or was it just me? Bellick had a court hearing, meets with his lawyer and agrees to take a deal as long as he can go back to Fox River, and actually ends up back in Fox River in the SAME DAY? Wouldn't this be a much longer process? And even if he felt like the guards would take care of him, why would he ever choose to go back to a prison that's filled with inmates who he basically terrorized while he was a guard there? I'd rather take my chances in a strange prison where nobody knows who I am.

I
Belick in jail was hilarious..I guess they can continue the show next year with him trying to break out??

HAHA,
I said the same thing to my wife.

It was so obvious that Kellerman was going to shoot the FBI dude, we knew that as soon as he made the phone call, otherwise, what else would of happened, they go back to jail? Not likely, obviously, someone else came to their rescue at the last minute.
The problem is that you're thinking. That will ruin this show for you. ;)

Was the timing of events completely screwed up on this episode, or was it just me? Bellick had a court hearing, meets with his lawyer and agrees to take a deal as long as he can go back to Fox River, and actually ends up back in Fox River in the SAME DAY? Wouldn't this be a much longer process?
Oh jeez another person thinking while watching this show. The writers weren't thinking when they wrote the show so why should you? Stop all your brain activity when it, people! I swear it'll make perfect sense. :D :D

That character has worn on me since the beginning. Once he starts his drawl, I can't wait until they cut to the next scene. I really wanted him gone when Abruzzi chopped off the hand, but instead they got rid of Abruzzi. Guess Peter had more V-dub commercials to do.


I think he is perfect for the part and I like the sinister drawl...originally the part was written as a big overweight kind of dumb hillbilly type but they changed it when this actor auditioned...he went in with that drawl, intelligence and some evil sophistication and won over the casting directors....I think he is one of the most interesting characters of the show.

:)

Oh jeez another person thinking while watching this show. The writers weren't thinking when they wrote the show so why should you? Stop all your brain activity when it, people! I swear it'll make perfect sense. :D :D


Look what happens in ONE HOUR of 24! :D If we can believe THAT, we can believe THIS.... :D

Does anyone remember seeing ol' Theodore actually kill an innocent person? Seems like every time it is simply implied that he did.


It is implied but he does the deeds...that girl last night, the vet, and he was in prison for a killing spree IIRC...he is one bad dude but I still like his character and sometimes (when he's not off killing) he can actually be endearing in a twisted kind of way...

Well no more PB until Jan. :(

See you then guys...Happy Holidays! :)

It is implied but he does the deeds...that girl last night, the vet, and he was in prison for a killing spree IIRC...he is one bad dude but I still like his character and sometimes (when he's not off killing) he can actually be endearing in a twisted kind of way...

Well no more PB until Jan. :(

See you then guys...Happy Holidays! :)

I was referring to the time period since they broke out. Just seems like the body count is pretty high on this show and has to come back to haunt Michael-- one clever way out for the writers would be to reveal that T-Bag spared those people.

Here's a vote for finally wrapping this show up after the new year. And surely Teabag and the money will meet up with the brothers again.

It's pretty obvious that the dialogue writer(s) for the show is very talented, and the plot writer(s) are not. Some of the lines that come out of the characters, particularly T-bags, are genius. His "Italy" pick-up spiel to the mail-gal was shockingly good. It helps too, that the actor playing him delivers those lines so well.

I was referring to the time period since they broke out. Just seems like the body count is pretty high on this show and has to come back to haunt Michael-- one clever way out for the writers would be to reveal that T-Bag spared those people.

Well, we know he didn't spare Roy since Bellick has been charged with his murder. Also, I'm pretty sure that when Mahone was questioning Tweener he showed photos of somebody that T-bag had killed since the breakout. I don't remember who it was, though. (maybe the dad at the motel)

I forsee some awkward moments in the new alliance.

"Oh by the way, Michael. I tried to drown your girlfriend but the lousy ***** cooked me with an iron and got away. I hope that's not going to get in the way of anything. I"m totally on your side now. In fact I didn't really want to kill her. I mean I practically let her get away, like, on purpose. I really should have just blown her brains out instead of drowning her but I was having so much fun torturing her. I mean I would have blown her brains out if I had really wanted her dead, you know. But I didn't. She's a good woman. I shouldn't have enjoyed torturing her like that. I feel bad about it now. Real bad. You're a lucky man to have her, Michael."

I forsee some awkward moments in the new alliance.

"Oh by the way, Michael. I tried to drown your girlfriend but the lousy ***** cooked me with an iron and got away. I hope that's not going to get in the way of anything. I"m totally on your side now. In fact I didn't really want to kill her. I mean I practically let her get away, like, on purpose. I really should have just blown her brains out instead of drowning her but I was having so much fun torturing her. I mean I would have blown her brains out if I had really wanted her dead, you know. But I didn't. She's a good woman. I shouldn't have enjoyed torturing her like that. I feel bad about it now. Real bad. You're a lucky man to have her, Michael."LOL! It also looked like he was getting ready to slice and dice her into pieces to dispose of the body before he was interrupted. Wasn't it he that cut up the Robin Tunney character to dispose of the body in 2-3 garbage bags?

It was so obvious that Kellerman was going to shoot the FBI dude...It looked like Kellerman did not check to make sure the FBI dude was actually dead. Anyone else think the FBI dude will show up in the next episode and go after Kellerman?

Kellerman knows the brothers are going to meet up with Sarah again and at that point he will double cross them and steal the information that implicates the President.

It looked like Kellerman did not check to make sure the FBI dude was actually dead. Anyone else think the FBI dude will show up in the next episode and go after Kellerman?

I really hope not, that would make this show over the top with unbelievable story lines :D

It looked like Kellerman did not check to make sure the FBI dude was actually dead. Anyone else think the FBI dude will show up in the next episode and go after Kellerman?

I think he will show up in the next episode. He's character is too interesting to get rid off. Not that it means anything, but it looks like Mahone was shot on the shoulder. If they wanted to kill him atleast shoot him where it's fatal.

Who was mr. Kim's boss?? He looked familier.. mr. silent we will call him..

I have real bad memory..

Why does Michael and Burrows have different last names? Foster parents?

And what happened to the crazy guy that wanted to go to the wind mill?

I have real bad memory..

Why does Michael and Burrows have different last names? Foster parents?

And what happened to the crazy guy that wanted to go to the wind mill?


I believe because they had foster parents growing up (might even of had different ones then because his brother was not with him when he was getting locked and beat in the closet.

Last we saw of him, he got on a boat to go to the windmill.

Who was mr. Kim's boss?? He looked familier.. mr. silent we will call him..
Good question, the way they revealed him to us was as if we should recognize him for some reason.

Good question, the way they revealed him to us was as if we should recognize him for some reason.


That's for sure. I looked at my wife and said "Was that supposed to mean something to us?"

I think he will show up in the next episode. He's character is too interesting to get rid off. Not that it means anything, but it looks like Mahone was shot on the shoulder. If they wanted to kill him atleast shoot him where it's fatal.

I agree with the shoulder shot (just rewatched it) but wouldn't such force and range cause Mahone to lean back or fall back pretty fast? I know it's in slow-mo but he does appear to remain stood upright and then collaspes. Anyone think I'm wrong here?

On another note I mentioned earlier, not only would T-Bag's fingerprints be on the receipt and not Bellick's, what about video footage? Surely that nice hotel like that has video footage where they can watch it back and actually try to PROVE Bellick killed Geary! I mean come on... who hasn't made idol threats through sheer frustration? They should get Horashio (can't spell it) in there and he'll do a proper job finding out who killed Geary, non of this 'we found a receipt in your name, you do it' crap :confused:

Good question, the way they revealed him to us was as if we should recognize him for some reason.


Only thing I think it means is that he's a completely new character so expect more of him. Howelse they gonna carry this on for 10 episodes? Never mind a 3rd season. His purpose as for as the writers are concerned will be to give them a change to introduce ne material as they did Bill Kim.

Btw... Anyone think we will see Terrrence again this season? If not there gota be a 3rd season :confused:

I have real bad memory..

Why does Michael and Burrows have different last names? Foster parents?

And what happened to the crazy guy that wanted to go to the wind mill?

The reason for the different last names has been mentioned. I think it's when Pope is first informed of their relationship, early in season 1.

P.S. Sorry for the multiple posts but it's been a while since I been here. Each time I see something newI can't wait but comment, and editin to much work when you got all these questions and ideas :)

I agree with the shoulder shot (just rewatched it) but wouldn't such force and range cause Mahone to lean back or fall back pretty fast? I know it's in slow-mo but he does appear to remain stood upright and then collaspes. Anyone think I'm wrong here?:

My and my girl was laughing about that also. He get shot in the shoulder and not only did he fall slowly but on the wrong side.

I was referring to the time period since they broke out. Just seems like the body count is pretty high on this show and has to come back to haunt Michael-- one clever way out for the writers would be to reveal that T-Bag spared those people.


That aspect bothers me too...because Michael is directly responsible for T-Bag getting out...I would LIKE it if the "innocent" people were spared: the vet, the woman, etc. Because Michael is going to atone for those deaths...and I think Michael will end up dying on the very last episode of the series...after he clears Lincoln. :( Michael is haunted by T-Bag...there have been several references to it...the other guys are not cold-blooded serial killers like T-Bag...

Still I dont want to see T-Bag go :D His character is so interesting.

I forsee some awkward moments in the new alliance.

"Oh by the way, Michael. I tried to drown your girlfriend but the lousy ***** cooked me with an iron and got away. I hope that's not going to get in the way of anything. I"m totally on your side now. In fact I didn't really want to kill her. I mean I practically let her get away, like, on purpose. I really should have just blown her brains out instead of drowning her but I was having so much fun torturing her. I mean I would have blown her brains out if I had really wanted her dead, you know. But I didn't. She's a good woman. I shouldn't have enjoyed torturing her like that. I feel bad about it now. Real bad. You're a lucky man to have her, Michael."


Uh me too!!! And I don't trust that sleezy bath-tub drowning guy at all...Sara is only alive because she pulled that drain...But at this point Michael has no choice I guess...and the sleeze did do them a favor of taking out the resident FBI nutcase.

I also don't think Mr FBI is dead...but we will see...I kinda hope not :D

Is anyone also happy that LJ is out of the picture for now? I never warmed up to that kid.

Also what is T-Bags intention with his ex-girlfriend? Sinister or genuine? I thought sinister but last time he tried to find her he dressed up and got flowers...I think he likes her but felt betrayed by her...we will see if she is added to the body count in the New Year I guess... :confused:

I believe the guy behind mr. kim is none other than the president who was reported dead at the end of last season.

So, it's his DRAWL that gets to you? I guess you are one of those folks that think someone with a drawl or accent are ignorant or an idiot or a redneck? Sorry if I'm reading into this too much, it just hits a little too close to home.
I can understand Tony and it's not the regional aspect of his drawl that makes me cringe, it's that I almost feel like he's digesting the words rather than speaking them.

GeekGirlCutie is impressed by the actor's traits and I mutter "Scenery chewer" whenever he's on the screen. I'll give him this much, he's capable of stirring strong emotions.

No offense was intended and I hope none taken. If there was, then I apologize.

Still I dont want to see T-Bag go :D His character is so interesting.

Robert Knepper, who plays the character "T-bag" is, in my opinion, the best actor in the series. Yes, the character is disgusting, but it is superbly played by Knepper -- especially given some of the plotting and writing he has to work with. I would hate to see him go, but I think, eventually, he will be killed off as well.

I believe the guy behind mr. kim is none other than the president who was reported dead at the end of last season.

Can this be verified? It's too bad that the episode "Flight" which is where President Richard Mills is poisoned does not actually show his face at any time so there's no way to determine if the man behind Mr. Kim, indeed, was the president. This would be an interesting twist if it proves true.

That was not Daniel J Travanti (who played the poisoned president).

Robert Knepper, who plays the character "T-bag" is, in my opinion, the best actor in the series. Yes, the character is disgusting, but it is superbly played by Knepper -- especially given some of the plotting and writing he has to work with. I would hate to see him go, but I think, eventually, he will be killed off as well.


I agree he is an excellent actor...I don't want to see him go..I read he is popular with the viewers so maybe the writers will let him live... :D

I thought he was going to kill that vet with the attitude with the realistic looking prosthetic hand...sure seemed like it when T-Bag muttered he knew where to get one after the guy called him out over his dyed hair. I thought he would take that hand.

He did take that hand.

That was not Daniel J Travanti (who played the poisoned president).

That seems so odd to hire Daniel J. Travanti -- who is a emmy winning well-known credited actor -- to play a part that was seconds long and was supposedly killed off instantly. Don't you find that odd? But you're right. The actor playing the man in the room with Mr. Kim is certainly not Travanti.

He did take that hand.

As soon as I saw that guy's prosthetic hand I started laughing out loud. I knew instantly that T-Bag was about to "obtain" it. Just as I knew that when ONLY his bad hand was tied to the radiator, he was going to rip it off.

That whole chopped-off hand thing still cracks me up. Totally ridiculous but funny as hell.

He did take that hand.


Guess I missed that part! ;)

I just started watching this show a couple weeks ago, and I must say it's very addicting. They always go to commerical at the most critical moments! Have you noticed that?

That aspect bothers me too...because Michael is directly responsible for T-Bag getting out...I would LIKE it if the "innocent" people were spared: the vet, the woman, etc. Because Michael is going to atone for those deaths...and I think Michael will end up dying on the very last episode of the series...after he clears Lincoln. :( Michael is haunted by T-Bag...there have been several references to it...the other guys are not cold-blooded serial killers like T-Bag...

Still I dont want to see T-Bag go :D His character is so interesting.

Isn't the vet dead for sure? Not only did we see T-Bag inject him to 'put him down' but Mahone showed the pics of the vet to Tweener and from Tweener's reaction it looked like the vet was dead

Can this be verified? It's too bad that the episode "Flight" which is where President Richard Mills is poisoned does not actually show his face at any time so there's no way to determine if the man behind Mr. Kim, indeed, was the president. This would be an interesting twist if it proves true.

There is one episode where Reynolds is walking down a street with the then President and I'm sure we see his face :confused:

As Ric pointed out:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0871240/

Well, we know he didn't spare Roy since Bellick has been charged with his murder. Also, I'm pretty sure that when Mahone was questioning Tweener he showed photos of somebody that T-bag had killed since the breakout. I don't remember who it was, though. (maybe the dad at the motel)

Vet is dead for sure...and probably Mr Hand as well as poor ms Postal Worker.

LOL! It also looked like he was getting ready to slice and dice her into pieces to dispose of the body before he was interrupted. Wasn't it he that cut up the Robin Tunney character to dispose of the body in 2-3 garbage bags?


It wasn't him, it was another agent. Apparently all Secret Service agents are required to carry drop cloths, hacksaws, and hefty bags in their vehicles at all times. :-)

Also what is T-Bags intention with his ex-girlfriend? Sinister or genuine? I thought sinister but last time he tried to find her he dressed up and got flowers...I think he likes her but felt betrayed by her...we will see if she is added to the body count in the New Year I guess... :confused:

He seems to have no problem romancing someone then killing them.

It looked like Kellerman did not check to make sure the FBI dude was actually dead. Anyone else think the FBI dude will show up in the next episode and go after Kellerman?

He indeed will be back. He was shot in the shoulder only.

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He indeed will be back. He was shot in the shoulder only.

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Seems strange that he wouldn't make sure he was dead. Of course we saw with Sarah that he isn't the best killer in the world....

She turned him in to the cops to put him in prison. He is going to kill her.

"Shot in the shoulder" on TV always means "not dead". In fifty years of television no one has ever ever died by getting shot in the shoulder! :)

I just started watching this show a couple weeks ago, and I must say it's very addicting. They always go to commerical at the most critical moments! Have you noticed that?


Watch the first season...one of the best shows ever...:)

Isn't the vet dead for sure? Not only did we see T-Bag inject him to 'put him down' but Mahone showed the pics of the vet to Tweener and from Tweener's reaction it looked like the vet was dead


Yeah T-Bag is a bad dude...the vet is history...I'm pretty sure the others are too...

She turned him in to the cops to put him in prison. He is going to kill her.


That is probably his intention, but a few times T-Bag is shown to still have feelings for her...and right before he knocked on the door, he "fixed" his hair....I think part of him wants to strangle her and part of him wants to reunite with her.

"Shot in the shoulder" on TV always means "not dead". In fifty years of television no one has ever ever died by getting shot in the shoulder! :)


lol...that is so true! :D

It wasn't him, it was another agent. Apparently all Secret Service agents are required to carry drop cloths, hacksaws, and hefty bags in their vehicles at all times. :-)


He had the stuff in the hotel room and was ready to slice and dice her...the only thing that saved her was reaching that drain plug...

He had the stuff in the hotel room and was ready to slice and dice her...the only thing that saved her was reaching that drain plug...

The OP was referring to the agents that killed lawyer chick at the beginning of the season. He thought it might have been keller then too, but it wasn't.

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My browser doesn't show an icon just a little dot. It took me 30 seconds to find it to quote you.

Anyway.

I really think that once they find Sarah, Kellerman will pull the double cross again and steal the computer disc with the information on it, or was it a key? Leading the way for season 3.

He can't be trusted...Michael and Lincoln know that...he is a weasel and would have killed Sara...except she escaped when the motel guy came to the door...

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So, obviously this "mystery man" next to Mr. Kim was not the deceased president. So, any other ideas who he is? He was revealed in such a mysterious and dramatic way that he must be of tremendous importance.

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So, obviously this "mystery man" next to Mr. Kim was not the deceased president. So, any other ideas who he is? He was revealed in such a mysterious and dramatic way that he must be of tremendous importance.

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He has that mysterious important looking air to him...guess we won't find out until january.

Head of the CIA?

Nah not CIA, if he's head of anything it will be 'The Company' also wasn't the guy who questioned Mahone about Tweener's death from CIA? If so why get him off Mahone's back. Speaking of Mahone, I wonder how he got involved? Picked randomly? Hand selected? etc

The mysterious dude pulling Bill Kim's strings may indeed be the supposedly dead president (recast from Travanti, I'm assuming). I'm wondering whether we'll ever see Patricia Weddig (or "that bitch" as Kellerman called her) again. Isn't she appearing on a new show currently? Or has it been one of this fall's casualties? That would determine if we see her again, I should think.

And, as things turned out, they really didn't need to recast the prez's brother; John Billingsly is available again now that ABC has flushed 'The Nine' (which really pisses me off; I thought that one was the best new show of the season).

The mysterious dude pulling Bill Kim's strings may indeed be the supposedly dead president (recast from Travanti, I'm assuming). I'm wondering whether we'll ever see Patricia Weddig (or "that bitch" as Kellerman called her) again. Isn't she appearing on a new show currently? Or has it been one of this fall's casualties? That would determine if we see her again, I should think.


My wife and I had this conversation while watching the last show. They sure have gone to great lengths to avoid showing her this season, havent' they? I don't recall if she even appeared at the very beginning or not. Maybe she took one look at the Season 2 script and said, "that's too far-fetched for me." :D

My wife and I had this conversation while watching the last show. They sure have gone to great lengths to avoid showing her this season, havent' they? I don't recall if she even appeared at the very beginning or not. Maybe she took one look at the Season 2 script and said, "that's too far-fetched for me." :D

No, her absence on 'Prison Break' is due to her being involved with another show. I now believe I remember that show to be 'Brothers & Sisters' which, despite some early production difficulties and cast changes, seems to be one of the new season's survivors (I don't watch it, which is probably why it's survived). So, I guess we won't be seeing her again. :(

The OP was referring to the agents that killed lawyer chick at the beginning of the season. He thought it might have been keller then too, but it wasn't.

Hmmmm....maybe I was wrong? Recap from EW.com

"The only way for the brothers to get out alive was for one fed to use deadly force on the other. (Congratulations, message-board guessers who said Kellerman would be the turncoat.) Kellerman is still responsible for killing Linc's baby mama, and he almost killed Sara in a hotel bathroom, but his desire for revenge has brought the bad boy on to the good team. For now, at least."

Now I know he killed the Lawyer boy and his dad...after Lawyer boy let her go. She ran to Montana, found baby brother, made a cell phone call and then the Secret Service paid her a visit, shot her and chopped her up. Was that Kellerman? How did he get to Montana so fast? My bad if I didn't catch that...

archiguy - Thanks for the info. I don't really miss her all that much, but she did make a good villain. Btw, I heard that your girl Starbuck recently became Colonial boxing champ. Man, is there nothing that girl can't do? :p

Iteki - I think EW got it wrong. I don't recall Kellerman being at that cabin when Robin Tunney's character was killed. I may be misremembering but I don't think so.

archiguy - Thanks for the info. I don't really miss her all that much, but she did make a good villain. Btw, I heard that your girl Starbuck recently became Colonial boxing champ. Man, is there nothing that girl can't do? :p

Iteki - I think EW got it wrong. I don't recall Kellerman being at that cabin when Robin Tunney's character was killed. I may be misremembering but I don't think so.


Dunno. Even if it wasn't him, he likely ordered it done.

archiguy - Thanks for the info. I don't really miss her all that much, but she did make a good villain. Btw, I heard that your girl Starbuck recently became Colonial boxing champ. Man, is there nothing that girl can't do? :p

Only one thing, Irmo - get you to admit how attractive you find her. Remember, denial is just a river in Egypt. :D

Iteki - I think EW got it wrong. I don't recall Kellerman being at that cabin when Robin Tunney's character was killed. I may be misremembering but I don't think so.

No, Kellerman was far away from that cabin when Robin's character met her untimely end (or, should probably be "ends" since we can't be sure her tush didn't end up in multiple pieces. :p ). That was just another group of evil, corrupt S.S. agents. There are apparently a lot of 'em running around; they probably hang with the other evil, corrupt S.S. agents over on '24' when they're not murdering the president's opponents & what-not. ;)

Only one thing, Irmo - get you to admit how attractive you find her. Remember, denial is just a river in Egypt. :D


Quite the contrary, her face is actually good evidence that she really could be Colonial boxing champ. It looks like it's been rearranged by a few jabs and uppercuts. :D Woof!

^ Awww, that's just cold, man.....

:D

New episode tonight! Whoo hoo!! It's been too long....

Um, now, back to Prison Break. How 'bout that T-bag? :)

I'm actually forgoing Season 3 because I have 2 episodes left on Season 2.5 to go. Heck, Universal HD's broadcast has almost caught up with me, maybe I'll just finish out the season in HD instead of Netflix DVD.

Uh, sorry...yeah, how *bout* that T-bag? :)

Speaking of T-bag, I was flipping channels this weekend and briefly saw our boy on a Bruce Willis movie called "Hostage." Anybody seen this flick? I'm assuming he played a, surprise, bad guy. :D

Speaking of T-bag, I was flipping channels this weekend and briefly saw our boy on a Bruce Willis movie called "Hostage." Anybody seen this flick? I'm assuming he played a, surprise, bad guy. :D
He also played a psycho on Law & Order who chopped up his wife and tossed her out of an airplane. Quite a different character than T-bag, but equally despicable.

He also played a psycho on Law & Order who chopped up his wife and tossed her out of an airplane. Quite a different character than T-bag, but equally despicable.

Quite a bit different than the role he played on the late, lamented 'Carnivale', where he played an "ordinary" guy, not a villain. This guy has serious range; he's a Master Thespian! :)

Just noticed on the news wire that the actor who played "Tweener", Lane Garrison, was in a serious car accident Saturday night in LA in which a 17 year old boy was killed and the other two 15 year old girls in his SUV were seriously injured. Garrison, 26, had minor injuries.

Hmm...I seem to vaguely recall the T-Bag actor from Carnivale, but I only watched Season 1. What part did he play, or was he just in Season 2 that I missed?

Hmm...I seem to vaguely recall the T-Bag actor from Carnivale, but I only watched Season 1. What part did he play, or was he just in Season 2 that I missed?

He played Tommy (I think that was his name), the radio host who was looking for Brother Justin. Found him, too.

Can't believe that it's the same guy, can you? Me either. He's good. :)

Wow never saw the connection to Tommy. Definitely a 180° role reversal.

AH, I remember him now! A role reversal indeed.

Drinking Investigated in Garrison Crash

AP. Dec 4, 9:57 PM EST

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) -- Eyewitnesses said actor Lane Garrison of TV's "Prison Break" showed signs he may have been drinking the night the car he was driving crashed into a tree, killing a teenage passenger and injuring two others, police said Monday.

"Mr. Garrison displayed symptoms of alcohol intoxication, and the investigation into Mr. Garrison's impairment is ongoing," police Lt. Mitch McCann said at a news conference Monday.

McCann would not say whether police tested Garrison's blood-alcohol level. The actor suffered minor injuries.

Garrison, 26, has not been charged with any crime and won't be before the investigation is completed in about six to eight weeks, McCann said.

The identities of the 17-year-old boy who died and the two injured girls, both 15, were withheld because of department policy on juveniles, McCann said in a phone interview.

The accident occurred about 11:50 p.m. Saturday when the sport-utility vehicle jumped a curb. The boy was taken to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, where he died. One girl was treated and released. The other, initially reported in critical condition, fluctuated between guarded and serious condition Monday at the hospital, McCann said.

The teenagers were unrelated to Garrison, and their connection was part of the investigation, McCann said.

Garrison's publicist, Catherine Olim, did not return phone calls Sunday or Monday.

Garrison, a Dallas native, plays "Tweener" on the Fox drama series "Prison Break." He has worked mainly in television but appears in the upcoming film "Shooter," due out next year.

The Los Angeles County coroner's office could not release the dead boy's name because of the police investigation.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEOPLE_GARRISON?SITE=CAACS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Seems like an odd story....a 26 year old out driving around (possibly drinking) with a 17 year old boy and two 15 year old girls. I know he's innocent until proven guilty, but I'm starting to be glad that his character was killed off....

here is something funny a hell.. Reggie Lee ( http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0498046/ ) who plays Agent Bill Kim has had previous acting experience.. lol - slappy sue!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge2FHDf_L78

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0296134/

Did anyone burn the final onto dvd? Was out of town for the show and someone erased my dvr :mad: . Help please, thanks.

Did anyone burn the final onto dvd? Was out of town for the show and someone erased my dvr :mad: . Help please, thanks.


The fall finale is called "The Killing Box" (11/27/2006). You can watch it here:

http://creative.myspace.com/VOD/prison_break/index.html

Thank you so much. :D

Seems like an odd story....a 26 year old out driving around (possibly drinking) with a 17 year old boy and two 15 year old girls. I know he's innocent until proven guilty, but I'm starting to be glad that his character was killed off....

There's more to the story. Eyewitnesses said he had been drinking heavily and when the party started running low on alcohol, the four of them went out to get more. Sad. Usually, celebrity DUI's are brushed off with a small fine and some community service, no matter how many times they get nabbed. Considering there was a death this time, it may be a little more difficult for Tweener to get the typical "celebrity justice" treatment.

I know he's innocent until proven guilty, but....

True, but only in a court of law. A nationwide misunderstanding is that the rest of us (not in a court, that is) owe such allegiance to that belief. I'm completely free to draw my own conclusions on such actions based on history and my own experience. I've drawn one here, based on the evidence at hand.

There's more to the story. Eyewitnesses said he had been drinking heavily and when the party started running low on alcohol, the four of them went out to get more. Sad. Usually, celebrity DUI's are brushed off with a small fine and some community service, no matter how many times they get nabbed. Considering there was a death this time, it may be a little more difficult for Tweener to get the typical "celebrity justice" treatment.I don't know about that.

Kim Delaney killed someone while driving drunk a few years back and got off with what amounted to a slap on the wrist.

Kim Delaney killed someone while driving drunk a few years back and got off with what amounted to a slap on the wrist.
She didn't kill anyone. (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C74032%7C1%7C,00.html) In fact she even made it home (barely) and they couldn't even prove she had been drunk since she refused blood tests.

She didn't kill anyone. (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C74032%7C1%7C,00.html) In fact she even made it home (barely) and they couldn't even prove she had been drunk since she refused blood tests.I thought I had heard at the time that she did. Don't know where, though. I must have misunderstood. Or maybe it was someone else.

(edit: I see her son mentions that he "thought he'd be killed". Maybe this is the part I heard and misunderstood. I still could swear that I had heard it about someone - I might have just confused the person with her, because it was around that same time. But then again, maybe I was just in an altered state or something ;) .

"Coming soon to FOX, Kim Delaney stars in "Women's Prison Break: Fresh Meat"

There's more to the story. Eyewitnesses said he had been drinking heavily and when the party started running low on alcohol, the four of them went out to get more. Sad. Usually, celebrity DUI's are brushed off with a small fine and some community service, no matter how many times they get nabbed. Considering there was a death this time, it may be a little more difficult for Tweener to get the typical "celebrity justice" treatment.

At least this guy already knows what it's like to be behind bars. But this time he won't be leaving (going home) for the day when they finish filming.

I bet his fellow inmates will get a kick out of seeing him after watching his character on Prison Break. They'll probably want to shake his hand and get his autograph and what not. I bet Prison Break is a popular show in the slammer!

Finally!!! The show is coming back! I forget what was even happening! :confused: :D

Finally!!! The show is coming back! I forget what was even happening! :confused: :D

They said they would stop running, but turned around and started running. Oh and they got captured, but where saved at the last minute by a friend/father/mysterious person. I think that sums it up.

They said they would stop running, but turned around and started running. Oh and they got captured, but where saved at the last minute by a friend/father/mysterious person. I think that sums it up.

Nah, they got captured, but the Secret Service Agent that was supposed to kill them shot the FBI agent and took them away. He's been erased by the government, so he's hoping to either save his life or get back at the government or both.

And don't forget to remind them about the "shocking twist."

Thank you guys!!! ;) I think I better watch the last episode as a refresher :D

There was a good little 30 minute recap of the season on last week. I didn't even notice but my dvr recorded it. The cheesy announcer I could have done without but the overview was good, especially if anyone missed any episodes.

New episode tonight!

I made it clear that I'm not his biggest fan ;), but fans of Robert Knepper (T-Bag) in the NYC brdcst. area or have FOX-NY distant access will want to tune in tomorrow AM to "Good Day NY" as he will be paying a visit to the set.

That ended well.

Michael did not look too happy there at the end.

I thought this was a great opening to a new season.

I thought this was a great opening to a new season.

Technically, it's the same season. :)

Scofield has gone from genius to moron in half a season.

This is turning into "The Fugitive"...on the run forever without resolution (if ever!!) until the show is cancelled.

Scofield has gone from genius to moron in half a season.


I couldn't agree more.

He also has one type of speach "Monotone". Whether it's "Hey, let's be quiet so nobody hears us walking around" or "Everyone watch out", it's spoken the same. Very annoying.

This is turning into "The Fugitive"...on the run forever without resolution (if ever!!) until the show is cancelled.

We even have a "one-armed man". ;)

Actually a one handed man.... :)

Scofield has gone from genius to moron in half a season.

Here's what I don't get about Michael's "plan": even if the President's brother had fessed up to the media and cleared Lincoln's name, wouldn't every one of Michael's charges still be legit? After all, he did rob that bank, regardless of why he robbed it. Add on the extra time that he'd get for the escape and he'd probably be looking at 20 years at least. Maybe he's ok sacraficing himself in order to save his brother.

The show is still funny. Schofield is like Richard Gere, he can be sad, happy, angry, etc. but he'll always put the same face.

My wife is the one that's fan of the show, but I watch it with her, and last night I said No way! like 3 times when I looked at the screen and saw what they were doing. You can't have more fun than this.

(From Marc Berman’s Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2007, Programming Insider blog at Mediaweek.com )
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Fast National Ratings For Monday January 22nd

“…NBC’s Deal or No Deal won the 8 p.m. hour with ease at 17.56 million viewers and a 5.2/13 among adults 18-49. Next was Fox’s Prison Break (Viewers: #2, 9.90 million; A18-49: #2, 4.2/10), which the network has confirmed it is in discussions with for a third season…”

Actually a one handed man.... :)
How did he tie everybody to the chairs using sheets he had to tear into strips? Hard to do with just one hand!!!

Mel

(From Marc Berman’s Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2007, Programming Insider blog at Mediaweek.com )
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/55410592
Fast National Ratings For Monday January 22nd

“…NBC’s Deal or No Deal won the 8 p.m. hour with ease at 17.56 million viewers and a 5.2/13 among adults 18-49. Next was Fox’s Prison Break (Viewers: #2, 9.90 million; A18-49: #2, 4.2/10), which the network has confirmed it is in discussions with for a third season…”

What in the world will a third season be about? Breaking the prison guard out?

Who has the money now? Still T-Bag??? :confused:

How did he tie everybody to the chairs using sheets he had to tear into strips? Hard to do with just one hand!!!

Mel

My wife asked that same question, to which I resonded "he probably made them tie each other up at gun point and then just tightened the last one himself."

The, it occurred to me that I'm actually the one defending this show's inconsistancies now. :D

Actually a one handed man.... :)

Based on his actions in the show, would you then say he's "underhanded"?


My wife asked that same question, to which I resonded "he probably made them tie each other up at gun point and then just tightened the last one himself."

The, it occurred to me that I'm actually the one defending this show's inconsistancies now. :D

You always have a hostage tie the other hostages up, then do the last person yourself and check the other knots. You can't watch a group alone while you're tieing one person up, so you have less control. Besides, nothing ruins the spirit of an escape attempt like being forced to do the bad guy's dirty work.

It's similar to taking out the strongest person in the group first, so you can more easily manage the weaker members.

You always have a hostage tie the other hostages up.....................

Maybe you always - I've never had the opportunity to perfect that particular scenario. ;)

Speaking of 'taking out the strongest person in the group'... Bellick sure went to town on that big guy. Wonder how the night will turn out now that they've got easy access to him.

T-bag is really in a bind now, hope his character sticks around a little longer, especially after this stunt. He is a sick bastard though.

I get the feeling that there is going to be a reunion at the prison. All story lines have the possibility of them landing back in prison (sure would save a bundle on set costs). It makes sense and carries the show into future seasons/prison breaks.

I get the feeling that there is going to be a reunion at the prison. All story lines have the possibility of them landing back in prison (sure would save a bundle on set costs). It makes sense and carries the show into future seasons/prison breaks.

There is no way in hell they'll do that. The day that happens, the show will be canceled. Talk about trying to stretch things out..yikes.

Well, they're at a point now where the show has outlived its premise. We all want to see some resolution to the conspiracy storyline, but what then? Where do they go from there? Seems like the only place to go is back to prison. This is the ideal example of a show that should have had a limited life-span. It should have been announced to have 2 seasons, one inside the prison, and one out and on the run, that's it. Then Michael and Link could ride off into the sunset, perhaps with a [new] presidential pardon. Think how great it would be if we knew they only had another 10 hours or so to wrap everything up. Talk about a high-energy race to the finish!

Limited run series are a concept whose time has come (as it already has in the UK), and this show could be a textbook example. Who will be the first network to adopt such an outlandish proposition here in the states?

This was actually pitched initially as a mini-series. The producers would have been delighted to have it picked up as a limited run series. They got an even better end result.

It is odd (although obvious considering the financial incentives) that networks will consider TV movies and miniseries', but then the only alternative is (the desire for) a 7 year series. No middle ground.

Maybe you always - I've never had the opportunity to perfect that particular scenario. ;)

Oops... did I forget to add "at least that's what I've heard....."?

:D :D :D

This was actually pitched initially as a mini-series. The producers would have been delighted to have it picked up as a limited run series. They got an even better end result.

It is odd (although obvious considering the financial incentives) that networks will consider TV movies and miniseries', but then the only alternative is (the desire for) a 7 year series. No middle ground.

The only limited run series in recent years on a major network that I can think of is 'Daybreak' (have there been any others?). It's failure won't give that format any help, unfortunately. And the classic miniseries is virtually extinct, with the made-for-TV movie (at least on the major networks) following the same path. Seems to me that would be a potential niche to explore, if any of the networks had the guts.

I get the feeling that there is going to be a reunion at the prison. All story lines have the possibility of them landing back in prison (sure would save a bundle on set costs). It makes sense and carries the show into future seasons/prison breaks.


Me too. I think they will all land back in, Lincoln will still be on death row. Michael will have to plan another escape again, this time against even more odds because he will be watched like a hawk, and our favorite incarcerated prison guard we love to hate will be in on the escape. I think this season they might "stay on the outside" until the last episode, but I think next season will be inside the Prison. I actually prefer the show when they are inside.

T-Bag still has the money right? Michael is going to want that back.

Pretty good tonight...the whole house of cards is falling...Mr. Kim finally seems a little unnerved.... :confused:

Real good episode. Definitely one of the better ones - at least in awhile, anyway.

Had more "meat" to it than most episodes - next week's looks like it's back to more "fluff". :rolleyes: From the previews, it looks like too much of the show is gonna be taken up by "romancing" between the guys and their gals. Hope they just confine the bulk of that kinda stuff to that one, "obligitory" episode, and get it out of the way and out of their system - and satisfy those viewers (whoever they may be) who really get into that sort of thing. I just don't want to see them make that a regular component of the show. It's supposed to be a "suspense thriller", not a soap opera - and I, for one, would like to see it stay that way. :cool:

One of the things I don't like about this season is the FBI agent. He seems to know everything. He can figure everything out with just a glance. Its to far fethced. He knows everything, no one is THAT good.

One of the things I don't like about this season is the FBI agent. He seems to know everything. He can figure everything out with just a glance. Its to far fethced. He knows everything, no one is THAT good.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. It's so bad, I'm really disliking the show now.

One of the things I don't like about this season is the FBI agent. He seems to know everything. He can figure everything out with just a glance. Its to far fethced. He knows everything, no one is THAT good.

And you're just now figuring out that this show is pure fantasy, not based on reality in any way shape or form? I dunno, it seemed a little far fetched for this engineer guy to plan this elaborate escape plot, with every concievable contingency plan ready to go, all without never being at this prison before (just reading blueprints).

How did Michael know the details of the AA handbook? Is he in recovery, too?

How did Michael know the details of the AA handbook? Is he in recovery, too?


He has John Doe with him. ;)

He has John Doe with him. ;)

Michael actually used the phrase last night then they focused on Linc. Funny moment for those 25 of us who actually watched that show. :-)

And you're just now figuring out that this show is pure fantasy, not based on reality in any way shape or form? I dunno, it seemed a little far fetched for this engineer guy to plan this elaborate escape plot, with every concievable contingency plan ready to go, all without never being at this prison before (just reading blueprints).

There is a difference between Fantasy and craziness. An Engineer coming up with this plot is fantasy, I agree. But, at least they focused on the length of time it took him to do all of it. The show isn't consistent in those regards. The FBI agent figures EVERYTHING out in a matter of minutes that Michael spent months planning.

Fantasy Land, yes. But so is Heroes, LOST, and several other shows I can speak of, but they keep the show intelligent. This show is NOT. The first season was great (although unbeleivable). This season, it's like they are rushing everything and writing scripts on the fly.

The Malone (FBI) character reminds me of Forest Whitaker's character in Species who was always able to track her down with little or no leads to go off of.

And you're just now figuring out that this show is pure fantasy, not based on reality in any way shape or form? I dunno, it seemed a little far fetched for this engineer guy to plan this elaborate escape plot, with every concievable contingency plan ready to go, all without never being at this prison before (just reading blueprints).

Sure, we have to suspend some belief but at least Michael spent months planning everything, details, lots of money, etc. Plus he didn't have every concievable contingency plan, I recall him making it up sometimes as he went along because things changed. However the FBI guy, knows it all right away, looking at some words on a page. I can suspend some belief, but not all of it.

Malone gets around the country faster than Jack Bauer gets around L.A.!

This season, it's like they are rushing everything and writing scripts on the fly. I couldn't agree more. The writing seems very disjointed, and at times, a little desperate. I enjoyed the show much more last year and now find myself watching it more out of habit than anything else. Of course, bad habits can be broken...

Any opinions on what's up with the obvious Les Miserables allusion in the Sucre storyline last night? I think it was too obvious not to have some kind of meaning or foreshadowing. Question is what am I supposed to read into it? If the answer is nothing, well, then I guess it's just a lame lack of creativity and wholesale story-stealing. Personally I think it must be a plot device but don't know what it means . . .

LOL! Yeah, I'm sure we will hear on the next episode or two: "My name... is Sucre valSucre"

How did Michael know the details of the AA handbook? Is he in recovery, too?


He knows Sarah would know the details so I think that's why he familiarized himself with it- so he could send her a covert message - .she would instantly recognize the "chapters" of the book when he started talking about it on the video, and know he was trying to tell her something.

Real good episode. Definitely one of the better ones - at least in awhile, anyway.

Had more "meat" to it than most episodes - next week's looks like it's back to more "fluff". :rolleyes: From the previews, it looks like too much of the show is gonna be taken up by "romancing" between the guys and their gals. Hope they just confine the bulk of that kinda stuff to that one, "obligitory" episode, and get it out of the way and out of their system - and satisfy those viewers (whoever they may be) who really get into that sort of thing. I just don't want to see them make that a regular component of the show. It's supposed to be a "suspense thriller", not a soap opera - and I, for one, would like to see it stay that way. :cool:


It was one of the better episodes - some of the subplots and "love stories" do not interest me at all. It's too "all over the place" at times. Stick to Michael and Lincoln and those out to get them. I also vote for it to stay a suspense thriller versus a soap opera.

He knows Sarah would know the details so I think that's why he familiarized himself with it- so he could send her a covert message - .she would instantly recognize the "chapters" of the book when he started talking about it on the video, and know he was trying to tell her something.

Would he have done this before he was initially arrested? How would he have known then that they would fall in love and that he would have to contact her from the outside??

Mahone figuring out their "play act" was just one of many, many, many ridiculous aspects of this show. I can understand if that was the one that put someone over the edge though...the proverbial "straw breaking the camel's back."

Myself, I saw it coming a mile away. :D

I also really enjoy Mahone's *amazing* healing properties. Bedridden with multiple gunshot wounds one day, galivanting across the country the next. :)

Mahone figuring out their "play act" was just one of many, many, many ridiculous aspects of this show. I can understand if that was the one that put someone over the edge though...the proverbial "straw breaking the camel's back."

Myself, I saw it coming a mile away. :D

I also really enjoy Mahone's *amazing* healing properties. Bedridden with multiple gunshot wounds one day, galivanting across the country the next. :)

Only one gunshot wound, but yeah he has Bauer-like healing properties.

Would he have done this before he was initially arrested? How would he have known then that they would fall in love and that he would have to contact her from the outside??


He could have easily gotten ahold of that book after he escaped. He knew she would have knowledge of it and she would understand during the cryptic message that he was trying to get something through to her.

He could have easily gotten ahold of that book after he escaped. He knew she would have knowledge of it and she would understand during the cryptic message that he was trying to get something through to her.

I thought that Sara didn't enter AA until AFTER the escape. However, I can't really remember anymore. Isn't that where the SS Agent started talking to her...in AA? How would Michael have known she was in AA. Again, my time line is probably off here, but I thought AA came after the escape. If before, did Sara tell Michael she was in AA?

I thought that Sara didn't enter AA until AFTER the escape. However, I can't really remember anymore. Isn't that where the SS Agent started talking to her...in AA? How would Michael have known she was in AA. Again, my time line is probably off here, but I thought AA came after the escape. If before, did Sara tell Michael she was in AA?


She re-entered it after her 'relapse'. She was a reformed junkie prior to joining the staff at the Prison.

wao has this program gone so low that no one talks about it after an episode aired... YIKES!!!! :eek:

wao has this program gone so low that no one talks about it after an episode aired... YIKES!!!! :eek:

No shocking developments, just more of the same. Fun, but not really discussion worthy.

Apparently police cars are made mostly of sparklers. :)

Dumbest cops on the planet were the ones that saw a train bearing down with speed less than a half mile away - and were still standing there signaling it to stop.

Yeah, they were afraid their cars would derail the train! :D

The train always wins!

wao has this program gone so low that no one talks about it after an episode aired... YIKES!!!! :eek:

still love the show, and last night, it may have had its highest viewership thus far..we're at 10+ million viewers.

All of last season and most of this season, I seem to remember it being 7-9 million.

Dumbest cops on the planet were the ones that saw a train bearing down with speed less than a half mile away - and were still standing there signaling it to stop.
The funny part was how the cops were on the track in one view, then they were gone in another, then back, then gone...

I thought that Sara didn't enter AA until AFTER the escape. However, I can't really remember anymore. Isn't that where the SS Agent started talking to her...in AA? How would Michael have known she was in AA. Again, my time line is probably off here, but I thought AA came after the escape. If before, did Sara tell Michael she was in AA?


She has "junkie" problems off and on - I think in the early episodes they talked about her on prescription narcotics or something.

I actually didn't watch it until last night, one of the joys of having a HD DVR, and though I'm not a fan of T-bag, I did get a good laugh out of the scene where they're in the car and he uses his prosthetic hand to signal the turn. :D

Sad to see Haywire go.

Priceless :D

She was in AA early on before working at the prison. In fact, that's how she originally met Billick. He was at one of her meetings.

This show is still good, but mostly for the comedy.

I agree with the poster above, T-bag signaling his turn with his hand was priceless. :D

I was surprised though that they were able to muster up a little sympathy for T-bag by showing his childhood. And now we know why his language is so colorful and descriptive.

With Franklin gone now, we're really whittling down the escapees...I guess we're down to T-bag, Sucre and the Scofield brothers and that's it?

P.S. Was it previously mentioned in the show that Franklin's name was "Benjamin Franklin?" :)

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P.S. Was it previously mentioned in the show that Franklin's name was "Benjamin Franklin?" :)

What African-American family would name their son Benjamin Miles Franklin? What's his brother's name, "Thomas Jefferson Loveslave"?

Excuse me, but I thought the whole thing about T-Bag was he wanted revenge on the woman who turned him in. He's killed, what 2 or 3 people since his escape, but now that he has the chance to deal with the woman who put him behind bars he gets all wussy.

What African-American family would name their son Benjamin Miles Franklin? What's his brother's name, "Thomas Jefferson Loveslave"?

Excuse me, but I thought the whole thing about T-Bag was he wanted revenge on the woman who turned him in. He's killed, what 2 or 3 people since his escape, but now that he has the chance to deal with the woman who put him behind bars he gets all wussy.

We were never sure if his revenge would be to kill her. I think he actually loved her, then when she turned him down, that's when he thought about killing them. Then he decided not to. I can see that happening.

HOWEVER......this show completely sucks and I keep wasting an hour of my time each week watching it..hehehehehehehe. I really don't know why I do, but I do. I think it's because I loved the 1st season, I've invested time, so I at least want to see how things will turn out.

HOWEVER......this show completely sucks and I keep wasting an hour of my time each week watching it..hehehehehehehe. I really don't know why I do, but I do. I think it's because I loved the 1st season, I've invested time, so I at least want to see how things will turn out.

I'm starting to agree with you there.

The first season was so great. I just had the feeling that it was going to all unravel when they left the prison. If this was the first season, it probably would have been canceled after a few episodes (a la Kidnapped).

Except for the fact that, according to Rakesh's post above, ratings appear to be increasing...

About time Bill Kim got his @ss kicked! I think that has to be one of the highlights of the season so far!

About time Bill Kim got his @ss kicked! I think that has to be one of the highlights of the season so far!

I agree that was really fun to watch to bad they didn't hit and kick him a few more times

Not killing Kim makes no sense. He kills plenty in cold blood, had just killed his partner/driver - yet he runs away from Kim instead of killing him.

Not killing Kim makes no sense. He kills plenty in cold blood, had just killed his partner/driver - yet he runs away from Kim instead of killing him.

I was thinking the same thing, and said so, but my wife pointed out that the cops were coming. You can hear the sirens approaching.

Granted, he could've put a bullet in him and then run...

I agree that was really fun to watch to bad they didn't hit and kick him a few more times

Ditto.

Not killing Kim makes no sense. He kills plenty in cold blood, had just killed his partner/driver - yet he runs away from Kim instead of killing him.


I agree to a point. Lincoln was the one kicking his @ss and it would be kinda silly that he kills someone after he breaks out of prison to prove his innocence. Kellerman shot Kim's partner to protect Lincoln or Pope.

Of course Kellerman could have put a bullet in his head as he ran back to the Wagoneer only to be locked out by Sara.

Not killing Kim makes no sense.
Dude, Lincoln could go tor prison for that! He might even get the death penalty!

Wait, did I just spoil season three?

Not Lincoln - I meant Kellerman. He was locked and loaded and had a clear shot. The guy has ruined him and determined to have him killed (and has the resources to do so).

What African-American family would name their son Benjamin Miles Franklin? What's his brother's name, "Thomas Jefferson Loveslave"?


Why did you have to put slave at the end?? Also.. I know an African American whose name is Benjamin. So what??

The show is still good... One highlight of the program is seeing Kim getting his a** kicked.

Why did you have to put slave at the end?? Also.. I know an African American whose name is Benjamin. So what??


I believe he was referring to the fact that Ben Franklin was involved in the slave trade (and owned slaves himself) for much of his life. He became an abolitionist towards the end though.

Possible his parents were unaware of the connection when naming their child though.

OK, I have now officially thought too much about this. <smacks head>