Prison Break - Season Two on FOX [Text View]

fredfa

08-22-06, 12:13 PM

Fast National ratings for Monday, Aug. 21st

(zap2it.com)--FOX started the 2006-07 TV season with a pair of premieres Monday, scoring decent ratings for both and taking the night by most measures.

CBS actually led in households for the night with a 6.1 rating/10 share to FOX's 5.7/9. However, FOX had the edge in total viewers with just a shade under 9 million; CBS had 8.74 million…
The season premiere of "Prison Break" scored a 5.8/10 -- right in line with its average from last year -- to put FOX on top at 8 p.m…

At 9 p.m., a second "Two and a Half Men" and "Old Christine" averaged 5.8/9 for CBS. The debut of "Vanished," 5.7/9, on FOX won the hour in total viewers and held onto most of its lead-in audience.

• Ratings courtesy Nielsen Media Research. Ratings information is taken from fast national data, which includes live and same-day DVR viewing. All numbers are preliminary and subject to change, especially in the case of live telecasts.

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings082106,0,2318984.story?coll=zap-tv-ratings-headlines

Brian Conrad

08-22-06, 12:48 PM

I TiVo'ed "Prison Break" last night, and watched it around 10:00 P.M., and was pleasantly surprised by the PQ. I haven't watched any FOX programming since they upped the bit rates, so I'm assuming that is why the PQ looked so great.

BUT WHAT'S THIS?!?! Something looks different... could it be? IT IS!! WFXL-DT (my FOX affiliate) made their bug smaller!! I compared it to something I recorded from them earlier this year, and it's only a small difference in size, but it APPEARS much smaller!

I don't really have anything to say about the show... but I just REALLY wanted to brag about the PQ last night! :)

~Alan
I recorded it using my Fusion card and was surprised at the PQ too then checked the resolution and instead of the usual Fox 720p it was 1080i. In fact it was encoded so well there was no pixelation on fast pans I wonder if Fox is switching to 1080 for everything (Vanished was 1080 too)? That would leave ABC the last to switch.

CPanther95

08-22-06, 12:52 PM

I wonder if Fox is switching to 1080 for everything

Nope.

FOX is 720p and likely to stay that way.

leebo

08-22-06, 01:21 PM

No doubt still riding that kids bike with a football helmet... I'm sure they will catch up to him sometime ;)

The preview showed him for next week.

I really enjoyed the episode, but the flash back scenes in the FBI guy's head about Michael throwing the hard drive into the river was a bit much. If he was bright enough to come up with this whole plan, I'm sure he wouldnt chuch the evidence in the river.

Do we get to see Teabag's 'operation' next week?

Actually, in the first episode of season 1, thats exactly what he did. I doubt anything could really be retrieved from it after months in the water though. Especially since it's salt water (isn't it???).

My only complaint is how unbelievable it is for the FBI guy to figure out everything, including the tatoos, after only a few hours. And did they show the doc OD'ing last year??? I couldn't figure out how she ended up in the hospital.

jim tressler

08-22-06, 01:24 PM

they showed the doc last year od'd with some white crap hanging out of her mouth - i think the cops showed up too.. not sure though.. but they never said she was dead..

Kirby Baker

08-22-06, 01:32 PM

yeah she OD'd last season in the finale. The river water wouldnt be salt water. But likely to have lots of mud. Unlikely they could even find the drive. Guess I missed him pitching the drive in the river last year. Come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure I even saw Ep1.

videojanitor

08-22-06, 01:38 PM

Could this be because of the new BITS that FOX has or what was being reported early this month?

The "more bits" story is one of the biggest myths around. Yes, they did increase the data rate on the satellite transponder(s), but there are no more bits allocated to each STREAM, and that's all that matters. The additional "bits" enables them to fit MORE streams on each transponder. The streams were previously maxing out at ~16 Mb/s (before the "added bits"), and they still are.

scowl

08-22-06, 01:42 PM

I recorded it using my Fusion card and was surprised at the PQ too then checked the resolution and instead of the usual Fox 720p it was 1080i.
KTVU broadcasts in 720p.

wmarkw

08-22-06, 02:19 PM

So did any one break the code on the origami?

danc8379

08-22-06, 03:32 PM

My only complaint is how unbelievable it is for the FBI guy to figure out everything, including the tatoos, after only a few hours. And did they show the doc OD'ing last year??? I couldn't figure out how she ended up in the hospital.

This bugged me, too. Michael has about 1,000 tattoos all over his body, with varioius phrases and words, yet he finds the right one at just the right time and somehow figures out that it's a name. Also, wouldn't Michael be able to remember certain details without having them tattooed on him? I would think a name on a gravestone would be something he could remember. Same for the cross streets outside of the prison--why tattoo those on himself?

Also, is it just me or does Michael seem to have made more mistakes since they escaped than he did the entire time in prison? Even if the storage unit was a decoy, why would he rent it in the same town that the cemetary was in? (Oswego) He should have rented the storage unit miles away to further throw the authority off their track.

Sorry, not trying to be one who rips apart the show, but these few things really jumped out at me.

ion-man

08-22-06, 04:26 PM

I agree Michael should not have rented the storage unit in such close proximity to his target, the cemetary. Also the FBI guy figuring it out so quickly was a bummer but it serves to add a bit more intrigue for me. It shows Michael knows he now has a worthy adversary who is hot on his trail. Note said cemetary scene where he just stares at FBI guy in a 'knowing' sort of manner before running off. I Think it may make for a good chase.

Brian Conrad

08-22-06, 04:34 PM

Nope.

FOX is 720p and likely to stay that way.
Yes, I'll take that back. For some reason my Linkplayer2 read 1080 instead of 720. But looking at the file on the drive with VideoReDo it is 720p. It was still an excellent encoding.

Don H

08-22-06, 04:38 PM

Be interested in T-Bags surgery by a vet. It takes a team of doctors with micro surgery to re-attach a limb/hand/arm. Maybe the doc will be so nervous that its attached upside down. ;)

leebo

08-22-06, 04:51 PM

I Think it may make for a good chase.

I agree.
I also predict the agent will eventually smell a rat in the administration/govt. If he's smart enough to figure out the tt's, he's smart enough to figure out the bank robbery was a ploy as well.

I also predict Tbag will be caught or killed. It's not going to be believable that he can live w/o proper medical care with that injury. As it is I would expect him to need a transfusion by now.

keenan

08-22-06, 06:29 PM

Be interested in T-Bags surgery by a vet. It takes a team of doctors with micro surgery to re-attach a limb/hand/arm. Maybe the doc will be so nervous that its attached upside down. ;)
..or a dog's paw since the hand was not viable anymore....

cliffg

08-22-06, 06:43 PM

I too noticed the excellent PQ, and I don't really care whether it's better / bigger network transport, or just better quality production (I would tend to think it's the latter - it's always surprising to me how much the production quality matters versus the technology). Better is better. :)

Being TV, Veronica (Robin Tunney character) is more stupid than an equivalent character in real life would be. I can think of a dozen times where she (and her supposed lawyer friend) made bad decisions - I mean, with the absolute hunger in the public / Internet and the media for conspiracies and corrupt government officials, even half of the evidence she had would have had hundreds of sympathetic people on her side. When they had the chance to kill the bad guy in season 1 (that hunted them down in the country house) and didn't was another stupid move (they knew he had killed, and was ready to kill again). Going to Montana by herself - not bright. And then assuming calling the local police was the right course - come on! I guess she's now paid the price.

And being TV, the new FBI agent Mahone is smarter than an equivalent character in real life would typically be (although there might be enough clues laying around that nobody else has bothered to think through / look at, since what Scofield is doing is so out of the ordinary). I'm looking forward to seeing his character develop - it looks to be similar to the Tommy Lee Jones part in The Fugitive. And I've liked his acting in TV and movies that I've seen (TV - Invasion, movies - Crash, Black Hawk Down, Go, Contact, Heat). It's good to see him get another big role.

So all in all, an excellent season 2 premiere - the usual tight and fast pace, good plot development, etc. This looks to be a good use of an hour of my time once a week (well, a little less than an hour, with the DVR).

Cliff

mikey mo

08-23-06, 01:40 AM

Yes, Fichtner is a great actor.

GeekGirlCutie

08-23-06, 01:46 AM

My only complaint is how unbelievable it is for the FBI guy to figure out everything, including the tatoos, after only a few hours. And did they show the doc OD'ing last year??? I couldn't figure out how she ended up in the hospital.

Yeah I didn't like the FBI guy figuring everything out so quick..I think it should have taken longer...The prison doc OD'd last year...she kind of looked dead..in the last episode...I think she was stressed out because she helped Michael with his plan and had romantic feelings for him....she's in a lot of trouble.

GeekGirlCutie

08-23-06, 01:50 AM

Lady lawyer wasn't very bright.

Not very. I kinda had an inkling when she called the "police" things were not going to turn out well for her.

CPanther95

08-23-06, 09:12 AM

There shouldn't be a whole lot more for the FBI to figure out (beyond how he managed to escape). The whole Utah part of the trek came about post-tattoo, so anything they figure out now should be only as a result of what comes from the manhunt.

I think they wanted to establish early on that Michael had an intellectual equal to keep the planning and actions they take intricate and very deliberate. If death row can be foiled, being on the run should be a piece of cake. Now, Fichtner is the new "prison" that has to be outsmarted. Before long, Michael won't be doing things like tossing those handcuffs on the ground - every potential means of tracking will have to be eliminated.

ak3883

08-23-06, 10:19 AM

Did anyone else notice 3 dropouts(3-5 seconds) during the show? I suspect it's a local thing related to my box but i'm curious. PQ was definetly better, I thought it was just me not having seen the show for a few months and not watching much network HD since the spring.

There is an encore tonight at 9PM EST, I'll probably watch again.

nsavarirayan

08-23-06, 11:04 AM

So if veronica met her fate then who is in charge now of doing the investigative work of clearing Michaels name (dealing with press, hunting down new leads)? Is this part now going to be handled by scofield and company.

jim tressler

08-23-06, 11:07 AM

well with veronica and nick dead.. looks like its up to links dad to come through and break up the "company" and clear the name

Joseph

08-23-06, 12:00 PM

So if veronica met her fate then who is in charge now of doing the investigative work I wonder if the lovely Doc will fulfill that role in the story, now that she presumably is persona non grata at the prison. They need to give her character some reason for existing in the story, now that the prison is essentially out of her picture.

Kirby Baker

08-23-06, 01:05 PM

Yeah, she's going to go Rambo and hold her dad and the VP hostage to clear Linc's name :D

rasheed

08-23-06, 09:26 PM

Enjoyed the show, but also enjoyed the Yaris HD commercials for quality visuals and audio -- but not car racing storyline. Not sure if they were network or local.

Rasheed

Enigma

08-23-06, 10:03 PM

Watched it tonite; thought it was pretty good, a nice change from last years "going to get caught by the nearby guard any second" feeling. Interesting ending.

Karyk

08-24-06, 10:03 AM

I had heard they were thinking of changing the title of the show to 'Prison Break: Manhunt!' this year, which would be kinda' cool (as well as more authentic since they're now done with the Prison Breakin' part of their adventure), but I guess they scrapped that idea. Too bad.

Too bad? Why would you care what the show is called? It's not like the name of the show would make a single episode even slightly more exciting. And changing the name of shows would really mess with DVRs.

Watched the first episode last night and I was rather disappointed:

I'll use spoilers since no one has discussed the episode much.

1. The train thing was rather silly.
2. No helicopters to search?
3. Doors that lock only from the outside? How about just deadbolts?
4. Killing off a character (that is rather nice looking) for no reason?
5. Did he really need a tatoo to remember places in the outside that he visited two months earlier? He must have a memory problem that we don't know about.

I'm sure there are other things, but beyond that it just lacked the excitement of last season.

hdtvmaniac

08-24-06, 10:12 AM

I thought it was pretty good. I think the show will get a lot more exciting as it goes on, but this was a decent setup.

The girl was retarded, it was inevitable that she would die.

As for the helicopers, I think they were being refueled at the time (convenient, of course, but that was their explanation I believe).

As for the tattoos, he has a LOT to remember, so he probably uses words to trigger his memory or something, big deal. It's no more implausible than in the first season.

Karyk

08-24-06, 10:33 AM

As for the tattoos, he has a LOT to remember, so he probably uses words to trigger his memory or something, big deal. It's no more implausible than in the first season.

Well it made sense for the prison, where he wouldn't want to commit details of things he hadn't actually seen to memory. But for places he'd been to recently I just don't buy it.

Oh, also, why not just some place in the woods? Why would you pick an open public place that you had to do that twice?

Oh, one other thing? I don't remember if he originally planned on having so many people with him. But everyone seemed to have a shovel.

archiguy

08-24-06, 10:37 AM

Too bad? Why would you care what the show is called? It's not like the name of the show would make a single episode even slightly more exciting. And changing the name of shows would really mess with DVRs.

Why do you care that I care what the show is called? It would have been cool to reflect the changed focus of the show, that's all. And all anyone with a DVR would have to do is set a new season pass with the new name; no problemo. Whatever. :rolleyes:

And you don't have to use spoilers at this point. As has been discussed ad nauseum, after the show airs on the east coast all discussion of content is fair game.

There's actually more discussion of the show's content on the other thread. The mods may want to merge this one into that one.

Finally, the reason the lady lawyer was killed was that with her "partner" dead, there was really no place to go with her character. And she was able to verify for Linc via cell phone that there was indeed a conspiracy against him, and her death may have some deleterious effect on his psyche, not to mention another dose of guilt for Michael. I'm wondering how they're going to integrate the lady doc into this season's plotlines...

taz291819

08-24-06, 10:41 AM

Personally, I can't stand Robin Tunney's acting, so I was almost happy she got the boot...err bullet.

Dynot

08-24-06, 11:27 AM

Oh, one other thing? I don't remember if he originally planned on having so many people with him. But everyone seemed to have a shovel.

I noticed the same thing and told my wife funny how he stashed away enough clothing for everyone.

Despite these minor inconsistencies, its still the best show out there for me.

I suspect that this year's focus will be on evading the law a la "The Fugitive" style. There may be a couple that are going to get caught & that's how the prison setting will continue. I'm sure the feud between T-Bag & Abruzzi will be a significant storyline affecting the overall story, as will the relationship between Michael & what's-her-name (who's far easier on my eyes than Tuney).

RAJay

08-24-06, 11:39 AM

I noticed the same thing and told my wife funny how he stashed away enough clothing for everyone.

Not to rationalize it, but I figured he probably packed several sets of clothing so they could change appearance as they traveled to escape. He probably divided up the clothes he had brought for himself and his brother. If you notice it was all different types of outfits which would make sense to me if you were trying to evade police. It would be horrible planning if you changed out of prison uniform into a red hooded sweatshirt and that was the only thing you could change into. If a couple hours later you were recognized/ spotted by someone, the cops would be looking for a guy in a red hooded sweatshirt and you would have nothing to change into.

-Jay

lynesjc

08-24-06, 01:07 PM

He's an architect. He understands the concept of redundant systems.

archiguy

08-24-06, 01:23 PM

He's an architect. He understands the concept of redundant systems.

Nope, he's a structural engineer in the canon of the show (which they've mentioned many times), not an architect, and that's an important distinction. Engineers, by and large, are organized, left-brained, practical sorts. Architects are, by and large, more right-brained, creative thinkers and being neatly organized is not their strong suit. While Michael exhibits traits of both, he's clearly more of an engineer-type than an architect-type.

kevin79

08-24-06, 01:38 PM

I noticed the same thing and told my wife funny how he stashed away enough clothing for everyone.

When he gets the clothes out, he says he packed a weeks worth of clothes for him and Linc. He just divied them up so that everyone had something to wear.

lynesjc

08-24-06, 01:52 PM

Nope, he's a structural engineer in the canon of the show (which they've mentioned many times), not an architect, and that's an important distinction. Engineers, by and large, are organized, left-brained, practical sorts. Architects are, by and large, more right-brained, creative thinkers and being neatly organized is not their strong suit. While Michael exhibits traits of both, he's clearly more of an engineer-type than an architect-type.

http://www.fox.com/prisonbreak/bios/

You are correct. I couldn't exactly remember and was mistaken.

Karyk

08-24-06, 02:29 PM

When he gets the clothes out, he says he packed a weeks worth of clothes for him and Linc. He just divied them up so that everyone had something to wear.

A week's worth of clothes, and a lifetime supply of shovels! :D

Karyk

08-24-06, 02:33 PM

Why do you care that I care what the show is called? It would have been cool to reflect the changed focus of the show, that's all. And all anyone with a DVR would have to do is set a new season pass with the new name; no problemo. Whatever. :rolleyes:

And you don't have to use spoilers at this point. As has been discussed ad nauseum, after the show airs on the east coast all discussion of content is fair game....

If you think that's no big deal, you apparently don't have a DVR. Missing shows for no good reason is a big deal.

As to the second point, I'd noticed no one was talking about what happened here, so I decided to leave it that way. It's always better to be cautious about such things.

archiguy

08-24-06, 02:49 PM

If you think that's no big deal, you apparently don't have a DVR. Missing shows for no good reason is a big deal.

Actually, I do have a DVR. That's why I know it's no big deal to spend 10 seconds and set up a season pass when a new season starts. And even if one misses this show on a Monday night, there are about a hundred ways to catch it again, including prime-time rebroadcasts like the one last night. It's a brave new world. ;)

bobby94928

08-24-06, 03:23 PM

A week's worth of clothes, and a lifetime supply of shovels! :D

Well, you need a lot of shovels to go underground..... :D

danc8379

08-24-06, 03:36 PM

taz291819

08-24-06, 03:40 PM

Regarding the tattoos, I mentioned the same thing in the other prison break thread. He couldn't actually remember the name of the three cross streets outside the prison? And the name on the grave where he buried the clothes? THAT was too much to remember, too? Drove me crazy how the FBI guy happened to focus on the one tattoo at just the right time (and figure out exactly what the tattoo meant).

Maybe he was thinking ahead, like a contingency plan. What if (yeah, I know) he would have gotten into some bigger prison fight, had his head bashed in, which led to some memory loss.

Those tattoos would really come in handy then. Unless he forgot how to read them of course. :D

archiguy

08-24-06, 03:45 PM

Rammitinski

08-24-06, 05:06 PM

Last night's episode was alright.

But next week's looks to be so lame, I'm not even gonna go out of my way to watch it.

Looks like they're gonna start "sidetracking" from the main story.

If it's a sign of things to come, I doubt if the show will keep my interest.

Rakesh.S

08-24-06, 05:14 PM

I agree that it's all too much to remember and that's why he's got everything in the tats. And I also agree that the FBI guy figured it all out much too quickly to be believable (but that's a small quibble with this show). I guess the producers want to establish this season as a titanic battle of wits between Michael and the FBI guy. Finally, he has a worthy adversary besides fate & chance.

Yup, the quick wit from the FBI guy definitely seemed a little too quick.

I would have liked to have seen 2 or 3 episodes of the fbi guy putting all the tattoo pictures on his wall, slowly figuring stuff out (for instance, he'd go to the graveyard in maybe episode 2 or 3) and then maybe before they go to hiatus, the fbi guy gets 1/2 or 1 step ahead of scofield.

I don't think viewers would've had patience for that, unfortunately.

archiguy

08-24-06, 05:19 PM

But next week's looks to be so lame, I'm not even gonna go out of my way to watch it.

Wow! :eek: I figured we'd at least get a 3-4 episode "honeymoon" period before we started to see those types of comments.

Rammy, maybe you just need to stay away from the previews. ;)

rsambuca

08-24-06, 05:56 PM

Did anyone else notice on the crane-message to the doctor that Michael left for Sarah, there was a series of dots at the bottom of the note? Kinda looked like some sort of coded message to me. Perhaps she will figure it out and meet Michael later...

Karyk

08-24-06, 06:00 PM

Actually, I do have a DVR. That's why I know it's no big deal to spend 10 seconds and set up a season pass when a new season starts. And even if one misses this show on a Monday night, there are about a hundred ways to catch it again, including prime-time rebroadcasts like the one last night. It's a brave new world. ;)

10 seconds to set up a season pass? That's a long time. But that's not the issue. It's missing the episode. Not that many shows repeat two days later like PB did.

The point of DVRs is to set it up and forget it, and that includes between seasons.

Last year there was an issue where "Commander in Chief" became "Commander-in-Chief" or some such silliness. I'd have been really upset but for the fact that it's only my wife that liked the show.

leebo

08-24-06, 06:25 PM

The question is, what do the series of dots at the end of your post mean?

GeekGirlCutie

08-24-06, 06:27 PM

I love Prison Break but thought the season opener was kind of bland...I also thought the FBI guy figured things out way too fast...but next week might be better....It'll be hard to improve on last season...but hopefully this season can at least match it.

Ken H

08-24-06, 07:55 PM

Moderators Note: Season 2 posts from the Season 1 topic have been split and merged with this topic.

Karyk

08-24-06, 11:49 PM

Moderators Note: Season 2 posts from the Season 1 topic have been split and merged with this topic.

This wouldn't have been necessary if they'd just called the show Prison Break: Manhunt. :D

Rammitinski

08-25-06, 02:19 AM

Wow! :eek: I figured we'd at least get a 3-4 episode "honeymoon" period before we started to see those types of comments.

Rammy, maybe you just need to stay away from the previews. ;)Naw, I'm glad I saw the previews. I'd have been angrier if I had felt like I had wasted my time watching it. :D

A thought: couldn't the government guy have traced the call on Veronica's cellphone after he shot her? And if he could, wouldn't he? Especially after knowing that she just informed someone that the President was really alive?

tonybradley

08-25-06, 07:00 AM

Regarding the tattoos, I mentioned the same thing in the other prison break thread. He couldn't actually remember the name of the three cross streets outside the prison? And the name on the grave where he buried the clothes? THAT was too much to remember, too? Drove me crazy how the FBI guy happened to focus on the one tattoo at just the right time (and figure out exactly what the tattoo meant).

I don't think he's from there. I have a difficult time remembering cross streets in areas that I am not familiar with. I'd definitely need to write those down to remember. As far as the grave, I agree, he should have remembered that name. It's not everyday you pick a head stone and start digging.

Josh Z

08-25-06, 11:09 AM

A thought: couldn't the government guy have traced the call on Veronica's cellphone after he shot her? And if he could, wouldn't he? Especially after knowing that she just informed someone that the President was really alive?

It's not the President who's alive. It's her brother.

Patricia Wettig is the new President (formerly VP). Her brother was "murdered" by Lincoln, but not really. Then she really did have the previous President murdered so that she could ascend to the throne.

It's all very Shakespearean.

archiguy

08-25-06, 11:53 AM

This wouldn't have been necessary if they'd just called the show Prison Break: Manhunt. :D

:D 'Atta boy! :cool:

lynesjc

08-25-06, 04:14 PM

The point of DVRs is to set it up and forget it...

http://www.showtimerotisserie.biz/showtime-rotisserie-images/nav-pic.jpg

Set it and forget it!

Rammitinski

08-25-06, 04:17 PM

It's not the President who's alive. It's her brother.

Patricia Wettig is the new President (formerly VP). Her brother was "murdered" by Lincoln, but not really. Then she really did have the previous President murdered so that she could ascend to the throne.

It's all very Shakespearean.That's what I get for missing a few earlier episodes and tuning in late to this one. :o

tonybradley

08-29-06, 12:04 PM

Last night's Prison Break was the worst episode yet. If this is what we can expect the rest of the season, I see the ratings going down. Based on no other comments about last night's show, I guess others agree, disagree?

rsambuca

08-29-06, 12:42 PM

OK, Whenever I watch this show, I try to turn off the internal logic centers in my brain, but with last night's show - come on... How on earth can anyone be subdued by a man with one hand? Granted they tried to make the vet look as small and frail as possible, but really.

Not enough to make me quit watching, but that one was a little bit much for me!

archiguy

08-29-06, 12:55 PM

Well, the reattaching of T-Bag's hand was a stretch. To do that kind of work would require a team of highly trained microsurgeons. You've got to reattach muscles, blood vessels, and nerves. An untrained vet doing something like that alone, with no special instruments or equipment, is simply impossible. And he gave up without any struggle whatsoever; preposterous.

That being said, who cares? It's Prison Break! Preposterous is the norm. I'm still in for the long haul. Go Michael! :D

Rakesh.S

08-29-06, 01:46 PM

The vet could've easily taken T-bag out. They just want to make T-bag character slimier and slimier, i guess.

Looks like the reattaching thing has struck a nerve (no pun intended) for a lot of people. On rec.arts.tv, where the show can do no wrong, people think this was the jump the shark moment.

I still think this is a better show than 24 -- now THAT'S a show that defies all logic.

rsra13

08-29-06, 03:46 PM

rustycruiser

08-29-06, 04:40 PM

[Comic Book Guy] Worst Episode Ever! [/Comic Book Guy]

danc8379

08-29-06, 04:47 PM

So I wonder if there will be an episode in the future where they have to go to Arizona and break INTO the prison where Lincoln's son is to rescue him...

It's starting to seem like Tweener might be the smartest guy of all of them....

Karyk

08-29-06, 07:35 PM

What about the scape? That was one of the dumbest escapes in the history of TV. I mean the brothers were able to escape a place full of security, police, FBI, etc.

Even for Prison Break standards yesterday was one of the dumbest episodes ever.

The escape? What about getting into the place in the first instance? No plans before hand (but the brother had been there a lot using the normal prisoner entrances :rolleyes: ). What kind of a courthouse has that little security?

I didn't care for last week's episode either, but I'll give this a couple of more weeks before I bag it.

Argee

08-30-06, 08:39 AM

Why was the FBI agent staring at the birdbath? Was that at the house where LJ's mom and step dad were murdered?

Michael252

08-30-06, 09:24 AM

Being from Dallas, I tried to pay attention to the locations where the episode was filmed. I actually used to work in the building that was the courthouse.

But what I found really odd was that, when Linc and Michael were entering the parking garage, very noticable in the background is a sign for "WFAA8," which happens to be the ABC network affiliate for Dallas.

tonybradley

08-30-06, 09:55 AM

I was a big fan of this show, but if the next few episodes are as bad as this one, I may have to end it.

1) Reattachment of the Arm was crazy. Then to be able to have full use of it right away, made it even more hilarious

2) Michael spent many months planning this escape and hiding clues in the tatoos, yet the FBI agent can decipher what he needs exactly when he needs. Must be his Alien abilities from Invasion.

3) The courthouse scene. No further information needed.

4) LJ went from this poor little kid with everything going wrong, to this rebel looking kid who doesn't want to help or say anything about anything

5) The college chick. "Oh hi, so, where is your stuff" "Ummm, I mmm...mmmm...mailed it". "Hmmm, strange, somewhat psycho, a little scary, you talk like a dude from the hood, want a ride to Utah Mr. Stranger"

Josh Z

08-30-06, 09:59 AM

bphisig

08-30-06, 10:17 AM

I just started watching Prison Break at the beginning of this season. I had heard that you need to turn off the logic part of your brain to really enjoy the show, but it is always THIS bad?

1) T-Bag and the vet. It never even occurred to me while watching the show, but he didn't have any weapons or anything. How on earth is he holding the vet hostage? and he just manages to get his hand perfectly reattached by a vet who has never done that sort of operation? I can live with this, but it's definitely stretching the imagination.

2) Are these guys being followed by the worst cops in history? They slip out of the hardware store undetected (or wherever they were shopping), the make a getaway in that big truck, only to have it pulled over, and poof they're gone. No explanation or anything, they just disappeared.

3) How in the heck did they get onto the roof of the courthouse? Did I miss something? Then the cryptic Otis Right clue followed by the crazy elevator shaft sequence...then they make their way out of the building? Again, are these blind cops? How hard could it be to set up a perimeter to get these guys?

With all that said, I still like the show. It's exciting at least, which is more than you can say for a lot of stuff on TV. There are just a lot of loopholes.

And there is no way this is a better show than 24. At least when there is a logic stretch on the show, there is some sort of explanation for it. It's not like the instances above where guys are just vanishing out of thin air to avoid cops.

Karyk

08-30-06, 11:11 AM

2) Are these guys being followed by the worst cops in history? They slip out of the hardware store undetected (or wherever they were shopping), the make a getaway in that big truck, only to have it pulled over, and poof they're gone. No explanation or anything, they just disappeared..

That's one of my biggest complaints about this season. The few times they get into trouble, they just seem to appear somewhere else, or outrun whoever is chasing them, despite incredible disadvantages, etc.

tonybradley

08-30-06, 11:18 AM

She's from Utah. She's probably an overly-trusting Mormon. Or something...

I was going to include that, but thought I better not..lol.

Last season had many impossible things, but it was still cool. So far this season, it's too much. It went from Impossible but fun, to Impossible and stupid.

I'm still going to watch a few more weeks to see if anything changes. I just don't see how this show can go another season.

1st Season Prison Break
2nd Season Prison Break- Manhunt
3rd Season Prison Break- Family Ties
4th Season Prison Break- Friends

scowl

08-30-06, 12:06 PM

5) The college chick. "Oh hi, so, where is your stuff" "Ummm, I mmm...mmmm...mailed it". "Hmmm, strange, somewhat psycho, a little scary, you talk like a dude from the hood, want a ride to Utah Mr. Stranger"
Didn't they attempt to cover that by everyone asking him if he was some well-known local athlete who she also recognized or something? I try not to pay too much attention to this show otherwise it won't make any sense.

And don't count on Veronica being dead. I'm sure they could have taken those bags of her body parts to a dentist, had him sew her back together and she would have been walking around in no time.

Karyk

08-30-06, 12:51 PM

Maybe they can save the show by having everyone get captured and go back to jail again. And if they do that, they'll be thankful they didn't change the name of the show! :D

tbass2k

08-30-06, 03:12 PM

tonybradley

08-30-06, 03:39 PM

Yea, I was a big fan of last season, but this season is definitely over the top. Luckily the characters are what make this show. I love officer Belick or whatever his name is. He has got to be the most hostile cop ever. At any rate the writing so far has been suspect, very entertaining, but suspect. The biggest problem though (as most of you have noticed), is the FBI agent who is figuring out too much too fast, completely unbelievable. This show is still much better than most of the crap on TV these days.

Billick is not a cop. He's a correctional Officer. Since when do correctional Officers think they will have "the case" to go capture a fugitive?? Come on!! They made it sound like it was there case until the FBI took over. LOL.

Maybe they can save the show by having everyone get captured and go back to jail again. And if they do that, they'll be thankful they didn't change the name of the show!

I can see it now. Ok guys. Just for that, you are all going back to the same prison where you can talk about a new escape together. Hehehehehehe. Round and round we go.

I haven't seen a show where we can poke so much fun about in a long time.

Karyk

08-30-06, 03:45 PM

I haven't seen a show where we can poke so much fun about in a long time.

24 comes to mind. But this season of PB is way over the top compared to 24 (well except maybe the first two seasons with respect to anything involving Kim Bauer).

flint350

08-30-06, 04:01 PM

I'm with the majority on this one. You can only suspend disbelief or accept extremes (supervet saves T-Bag's hand and can't even overcome him and escape) for so long. This really smacks of simple, lazy writing. It's almost as though they wrote the 1st season with such complexity and care that they were sure there wouldn't be a season 2 - so they were caught off-guard (pun) when asked to "write some more of that good stuff!". This ship is sinking fast...lifeboats boarding now.

Enigma

08-30-06, 04:18 PM

24 comes to mind. But this season of PB is way over the top compared to 24 (well except maybe the first two seasons with respect to anything involving Kim Bauer).I agree. I actually quit watching 24 about 1/2 way thru the third season. If PB keeps going in this direction, I'll likely give up on it as well.

rsra13

08-30-06, 04:27 PM

well, they were wearing suits so maybe security though there were movie stars ;)

Since my wife is a Wentworth Miller's fan I'll keep watching until they cancel the show.

tonybradley

08-30-06, 06:46 PM

24 comes to mind. But this season of PB is way over the top compared to 24 (well except maybe the first two seasons with respect to anything involving Kim Bauer).

I started watching 24 at season 4. So, I made the mistake of watching seasons 1-3 before season 5 started. Ughghghghghgg. Talk about Disbelief overload. I become quite nautious everytime I hear "We're running out of time" or "You have no choice" or "I'm only 10 minutes away"

But, at least there is some cool action sequences that keeps me watching. Maybe I'm not giving PBS2 a chance and should refrain from judgement until at least week 3 :rolleyes:

hdtvmaniac

08-30-06, 07:37 PM

scowl

08-30-06, 07:38 PM

This really smacks of simple, lazy writing.
Or like 24, they write themselves into deep corners ignoring the consequences and then they have to stupid their way out of them.

I could have sworn the last season ended with the fugies hopelessly surrounded at night yet the first thing I thought I saw this season was them jumping on a train in the bright daylight. Did I miss something here?

It was good of Fox to start this show early in the season. I wouldn't have paid this much attention to it later in the year.

keenan

08-30-06, 07:43 PM

I could have sworn the last season ended with the fugies hopelessly surrounded at night yet the first thing I thought I saw this season was them jumping on a train in the bright daylight. Did I miss something here?

No kidding, you didn't miss anything, when I saw the opening this season I had a definite "WTF" moment...talk about being lazy...sheesh.. :rolleyes:

tonybradley

08-30-06, 09:20 PM

Or like 24, they write themselves into deep corners ignoring the consequences and then they have to stupid their way out of them.

I could have sworn the last season ended with the fugies hopelessly surrounded at night yet the first thing I thought I saw this season was them jumping on a train in the bright daylight. Did I miss something here?

It was good of Fox to start this show early in the season. I wouldn't have paid this much attention to it later in the year.

I thought I started late, or missed the first show LOL

TommyK

08-30-06, 09:35 PM

I was going to include that, but thought I better not..lol.

Last season had many impossible things, but it was still cool. So far this season, it's too much. It went from Impossible but fun, to Impossible and stupid.

I'm still going to watch a few more weeks to see if anything changes. I just don't see how this show can go another season.

1st Season Prison Break
2nd Season Prison Break- Manhunt
3rd Season Prison Break- Family Ties
4th Season Prison Break- Friends
5th Season: Prison Break-The Next Generation

Karyk

08-30-06, 09:41 PM

I agree. I actually quit watching 24 about 1/2 way thru the third season. If PB keeps going in this direction, I'll likely give up on it as well.

I think that's when I quit too, but I came back for the next season, and last season (the 5th???) was pretty good.

keenan

08-30-06, 11:01 PM

5th Season: Prison Break-The Next Generation
Five year olds breaking out of kindergarten.

bphisig

08-30-06, 11:49 PM

I think that's when I quit too, but I came back for the next season, and last season (the 5th???) was pretty good.
3rd season was definitely the weakest. 4 and 5 were great IMO.

scowl

08-31-06, 12:05 AM

No kidding, you didn't miss anything, when I saw the opening this season I had a definite "WTF" moment...talk about being lazy...sheesh.. :rolleyes:
Good, it was so strange I didn't know if I should point it out. It was especially confusing because the FBI agent was telling the press that the night was their ally right when the fugies were clearly running in the bright daylight. I guess that press conference happened last season or something. :confused:

KSP

08-31-06, 12:07 AM

Why was the FBI agent staring at the birdbath?

I thought it was a joke by the writers because William Fichtner was on Invasion last year, and water had an important role in the plot of that show.

archiguy

08-31-06, 07:52 AM

Season 3 was the weakest 24 season so far. Season 5 IMHO was one of the best.

I like Prison Break, but I have to agree so far it hasn't gotten off to a great start. Then again, I thought the first season of Prison Break was somewhat "iffy" in quality as well in the beginning.

That's a good point. The producers had to get the guys out and on the run to start this season's storylines. Things may tighten up now that they're "safely" away and have split up. It took a few eps last year to hit it's stride as well, as I recall.

But the show was so much fun last year, I'm not willing to bail on it. It's still an enjoyable way to spend 42 minutes a week. I find I feel the same way about '24' now. Very predictable in terms of the overall outline - wash, rinse, repeat each year. No longer must-see TV, in spite of all the Emmy hype about this "being its best season" (How, exactly? It followed the exact same formula as the previous 4 years; only the names of the urbane, well-spoken terrorists change every 8 episodes) but a fun show to watch with friends.

spid

08-31-06, 10:09 AM

scowl

08-31-06, 12:07 PM

Like 24, this show would be more fun if the writers didn't take cheap shortcuts between plot points. For example I would have enjoyed watching how they miraculously escaped while completely surrounded at the airport at the end of the last season. I guess the writers didn't want to bore us with the outcome of last season's cliffhanger.

Mikey Palmice

08-31-06, 12:15 PM

lynesjc

08-31-06, 04:21 PM

Yep, disappointing so far. Nowhere near the quality of the first season.

steverobertson

08-31-06, 04:24 PM

Yep, disappointing so far. Nowhere near the quality of the first season.

Maybe I am easy to entertain but I think this show is great and have enjoyed the 1st 2 episodes.

tonybradley

08-31-06, 06:15 PM

I can see what some peole are complaining about, but this is supposed to be a fun show not the most accurate portrayal of a Prision Break ever. If you want that go watch HBO. This show along with 24 are fun blockbuster shows.

I believe you are missing the frustration. The first season, although unbelievable, was still fun and made you say "Hmm, what if.....". This season, it makes you say "Whatever, no way that could happen....". The problem is the downhill spiral from Season 1 to 2. Almost appears like different writers.

Karyk

08-31-06, 07:18 PM

KSP

08-31-06, 09:05 PM

Or sometimes they don't even show you enough to say "no way, that couldn't happen." Getting into and out of the courthouse is a good example of that.

You don't think it is possible for a veterinarian to successfully reattach a severed human hand while the psychotic patient is awake? Or that two escaped convicts, who likely have their faces plastered over every newspaper and newscast could think they could break that kid out of a courthouse, even though it did have the worst security ever. :rolleyes:

Also, didn't the president get poisoned on the last episode of season 1? Isn't it odd that when they show the newspapers that wasn't the lead story instead of the prison escape. Maybe the story about the president's death and the swearing in of the first woman president was on page two.

I think most viewers are willing to accept a certain amount of implausability for the sake of entertainment, but the writers on this show aren't even trying to stay within any limits anymore.

ricwhite

08-31-06, 11:43 PM

Last season's Prison Break I'd describe as "intriguing and suspenseful". This year's Prison Break I'd describe (so far) as "silly and annoying".

I DO NOT like the FBI's intellectual equivalent of Michael Scofield. I wish the writers went in a different direction.

The re-attachment of the severed hand by a VET is just ridiculous. What were the writing team thinking when they discussed that in conference. There must've been a better direction they could've gone. And for T-bag to overtake, strap-down (????) and inject the vet with only one good arm with such a weak weapon is just laughable.

The whole courthouse scene was illogical. The roof scene was right out of 24 (which was just as stupid as this). And exactly HOW exactly did they get away?

I understand that this series requires some dispelling belief. Last year it worked because they were in a situation (prison) that was so unique. But out in the "real world" there are certain laws of logic that come into play which have been violated. Thus, it turns a series that was intriguing into silly.

My prediction is that the genius FBI agent will figure out just about everything along the way and will be right on their heels the whole time. I also predict that he will figure out the corruption in the government. Therefore, he will actually end up fighting two battles.

I'm not sure this seaon's going to work. I'm certainly going to keep watching. Maybe it will correct itself. I went through the same thing in seasons of LOST and 24, but I remained interested.

jdiehl

09-01-06, 01:09 AM

You don't think it is possible for a veterinarian to successfully reattach a severed human hand while the psychotic patient is awake?

Forget the vet doing it, most MD's couldn't do it with a cadaver and a text book open using proper tools and equipment.

To do that kind of extensive microsurgery to attach those nerves, bloodvessels, tendons, muscle, fractured bones etc would take a specialist with a specific skill set (and added degrees in microsurgery) to have the thing not fall off dead the next day.

Rakesh.S

09-01-06, 01:13 AM

and who's to say that it ISN'T going to fall off real soon? I think I'll be a little more patient....you guys are way too restless.

luv2chill

09-01-06, 01:17 AM

ITA with everyone who's saying that this show has gone off the deep end of implausibility. I will give it another few episodes, but if it's just more of the same after that I'm done.

GeekGirlCutie

09-01-06, 02:05 AM

I thought episode 2 was better than episode 1, but the whole hand reattachment was completely ridiculous....it would have been far more plausible if he just had a deep laceration or broken bone to be set...no way is that outcome even remotely possible in rl...

Still I will tune in every week...it beats most of what is out there...but I do hope it gets better, to the quality of last season, which rocked imo.

We're still a long ways off from 24.

GeekGirlCutie

09-01-06, 02:08 AM

Yep, disappointing so far. Nowhere near the quality of the first season.

No the quality differs and I also wonder about the writers...Prison Break was one of the best shows around last season...I don't want a lackluster season this year. Mondays were a blockbuster television night with Prison Break and 24.

keenan

09-01-06, 02:38 AM

and who's to say that it ISN'T going to fall off real soon? I think I'll be a little more patient....you guys are way too restless.
Indeed, it will make for a great escape device the next time he's handcuffed. :)

spid

09-01-06, 09:46 AM

I believe you are missing the frustration. The first season, although unbelievable, was still fun and made you say "Hmm, what if.....". This season, it makes you say "Whatever, no way that could happen....". The problem is the downhill spiral from Season 1 to 2. Almost appears like different writers.

Nothing in last year's show was all that plausiable. Nothing made me go "oh, what if...". The show's hook for me is the interaction between the characters. This season so far is about breaking down the constructs of last season. The killing of the annoying Veronica character, the firing of Bellick, and the dropping of the President storyline all reshuffle the deck for this season.

I hate to break it to you, but there a lot of people who look a like. There are thousands of crimnals who go around free everyday because of that fact.

lynesjc

09-01-06, 01:01 PM

I think some of the frustration on the part of disappointed fans boils down to this: We're willing to play along and accept a certain amount of implausibility, but don't treat us like idiots.

scowl

09-01-06, 01:55 PM

The re-attachment of the severed hand by a VET is just ridiculous. What were the writing team thinking when they discussed that in conference.
My guess: "We have a problem. Robert Knepper doesn't want to wear a fake stump on the show. He says it's uncomfortable. Is there some plausible way we could have his hand reattached? Oh wait, I forgot... we're on Fox. Just come up with anything. An Indian veterinarian? No anesthesia? OK, sure, just make sure the dude dies after he screws T-Bag's hand back on."

danc8379

09-01-06, 02:22 PM

My guess: "We have a problem. Robert Knepper doesn't want to wear a fake stump on the show. He says it's uncomfortable. Is there some plausible way we could have his hand reattached? Oh wait, I forgot... we're on Fox. Just come up with anything. An Indian veterinarian? No anesthesia? OK, sure, just make sure the dude dies after he screws T-Bag's hand back on."

What I don't get is, why did they have to make the guy a veternarian? The least they could have done was have T-bag stumble across an actual human clinic, with a real doctor. It still would have been unbelievable, but not quite as much.

scowl

09-01-06, 02:29 PM

What I don't get is, why did they have to make the guy a veternarian? The least they could have done was have T-bag stumble across an actual human clinic, with a real doctor.
I loved Sobell's comment about that in the Television Without Pity recap (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a12276/) of the episode:

And now, T-Bag illustrates the pitfalls in the American healthcare system by going to a veterinarian for his hand re-attachment. Hey, it was the only Chicagoland healthcare provider in his PPO.

Karyk

09-01-06, 08:25 PM

What I don't get is, why did they have to make the guy a veternarian? The least they could have done was have T-bag stumble across an actual human clinic, with a real doctor. It still would have been unbelievable, but not quite as much.

I think the idea there was a vet was more likely to be alone. T-bag taking on two people with one hand would really be unbelievable! :D

archiguy

09-01-06, 09:11 PM

I think the idea there was a vet was more likely to be alone. T-bag taking on two people with one hand would really be unbelievable! :D

That comes next week. :)

ricwhite

09-01-06, 09:32 PM

I think the idea there was a vet was more likely to be alone. T-bag taking on two people with one hand would really be unbelievable! :D

Naw. . . .I think it would've been a lot more exciting if T-Bag took over a whole hospital and forced an eight-member surgical team to reattach his hand and then, to top that, go to the roof and commandeer a medical helicopter to make an escape all while holding off the security with a half pair of scissors.

ricwhite

09-04-06, 11:45 PM

Nice to see all of the excitement over this show on this board. Thousands of posts on the latest episode. :confused:

Anyway, Bellick following Michael's wife was smart. But I wonder why the FBI wasn't on her tail. Bellick smarter than the FBI? Hmmm. Didn't much care for the red herring "death" in the car that was in the previews.

lynesjc

09-05-06, 12:49 AM

Thought tonight's episode was an improvement over the first two. How exactly did Linc get away from that car in time to avoid being blown to bits? Don't see the loss of the passports as being that big of a deal. If they can hook back up with their dad, he certainly has enough contacts to help them go "dark".

Scofield basically told us what this season is going to be about. The FBI agent staying 1/2 step behind them all the way...

Does anyone buy Bellick hooking up with the ex-guard that got him fired? Not sure I buy him being so willing to get over that...

Not really all that interested in the other escapees. They're not that bright and are dead certs to get caught quickly. We all know Fish was the brains of that op.

Does no one in the press find it odd that Linc's lawyers are dead and missing?

Still, better. Although I don't think I'll ever forgive the writers of this show if they let T-Bag keep his vet attached hand.

R_Willis

09-05-06, 02:02 AM

Thought tonight's episode was an improvement over the first two.

I agree. This episode was one of the better ones of season2 by far!!

How exactly did Linc get away from that car in time to avoid being blown to bits?

Remember, TV/Movies are TV/Movies! :D

Does anyone buy Bellick hooking up with the ex-guard that got him fired? Not sure I buy him being so willing to get over that...

I'm wondering how they knew to go out at the bridge in the middle of nowhere to see the car being blown up? It's not like Michael gave that detailed of information to that fat guy that Bellick(sp?) scared the information out of in the prison....

keenan

09-05-06, 03:02 AM

I'm wondering how they knew to go out at the bridge in the middle of nowhere to see the car being blown up? It's not like Michael gave that detailed of information to that fat guy that Bellick(sp?) scared the information out of in the prison....
The FBI got the cell phone tracked when he made the call to the email drop. What I don't get is why they didn't use a helicopter.

tonybradley

09-05-06, 07:32 AM

The FBI got the cell phone tracked when he made the call to the email drop. What I don't get is why they didn't use a helicopter.

If they had used a helicopter, they would know longer be 1/2 step behind :D

I agree with the other posters that this was the best of the three this season, but still extremely bad in comparison to last season.

Was Sarah's Dad a different actor from last season? He looked different.

CPanther95

09-05-06, 07:52 AM

archiguy

09-05-06, 08:51 AM

The FBI got the cell phone tracked when he made the call to the email drop. What I don't get is why they didn't use a helicopter.

They're always refueling. ;)

Was Sarah's Dad a different actor from last season? He looked different.

Nope. Same guy.

CPanther95

09-05-06, 10:13 AM

Just saw the President's brother (actor from last season) on one of this season's episodes of The Closer.

danc8379

09-05-06, 11:00 AM

What I learned on last night's episode is that cayenne pepper and vodka can heal a gunshot wound!

danc8379

09-05-06, 11:03 AM

keenan

09-05-06, 11:04 AM

They're always refueling. ;)

Nope. Same guy.
Yup, John Heard, for some reason I always think of him getting his arm ripped off by a panther in the movie "Cat People".

archiguy

09-05-06, 11:07 AM

Also, I'm confused about the car that Michael had with the elaborate radio-rigged bomb, with the body parts hidden in the trunk. Wasn't the original plan to get on the plane with Abruzzi? So that elaborate set-up with the car was simply a backup plan?

I was a little confused as well about the "meat" that Michael put in the car. That wasn't real human body parts was it? Maybe it was Veronica; she ended up "piecemeal". :p

As Michael mentioned in the last ep, the elaborate set-up was "Plan B". "Plan A" was Abruzzi's plane.

keenan

09-05-06, 11:13 AM

He got the meat from Omaha Steaks. :p

CPanther95

09-05-06, 11:47 AM

As Michael mentioned in the last ep, the elaborate set-up was "Plan B". "Plan A" was Abruzzi's plane.

Fortunately for the writers, there's a s**tload of letters in the alphabet so they can have numerous plans foiled and still move right along. :)

Josh Z

09-05-06, 12:49 PM

How exactly did Linc get away from that car in time to avoid being blown to bits?

If he had a brain in his head, he'd turn the radio dial back a few stations before hitting the "Scan" button.

Does anyone buy Bellick hooking up with the ex-guard that got him fired? Not sure I buy him being so willing to get over that...

They were friends before, and Bellick got him fired too, so they probably both figure that they're even now.

tonybradley

09-05-06, 02:19 PM

I was a little confused as well about the "meat" that Michael put in the car. That wasn't real human body parts was it? Maybe it was Veronica; she ended up "piecemeal". :p

As Michael mentioned in the last ep, the elaborate set-up was "Plan B". "Plan A" was Abruzzi's plane.

I don't have the show to go back to, but when the FBI agent knocked over the file folder, the camera zoomed in on that one guy on the chart. Once the FBI was on the scene after the explosion, the Agent said THAT guy's name. So, were those body parts from the guy from the file folder, or did that portion mean something else that I completely missed. It's just so hard to follow all the twists and turns to this show :rolleyes:

danc8379

09-05-06, 02:23 PM

I don't have the show to go back to, but when the FBI agent knocked over the file folder, the camera zoomed in on that one guy on the chart. Once the FBI was on the scene after the explosion, the Agent said THAT guy's name. So, were those body parts from the guy from the file folder, or did that portion mean something else that I completely missed. It's just so hard to follow all the twists and turns to this show :rolleyes:

I got the impression that the guy in that file folder was a fugitive who got away, perhaps still haunting the FBI agent. Maybe that's what causes him to pop all those pills.

sandiegojoe

09-05-06, 02:52 PM

I'm a bit dissapointed, the characters are still interesting, but the plot just seems so anti-climactic now.

I'm a bit worried about this show, without being combo'd with 24, people aren't gonna put up with as much BS as they would otherwise. That lame "Vanishing" show isn't gonna help the situation either.

keenan

09-05-06, 04:04 PM

I got the impression that the guy in that file folder was a fugitive who got away, perhaps still haunting the FBI agent. Maybe that's what causes him to pop all those pills.
Yes, that was the take I had, the one that got away. BTW, I'll bet those pills will play a part in the plot somehow, sometime in the future.

flint350

09-05-06, 05:19 PM

jdiehl

09-05-06, 07:30 PM

ricwhite

09-05-06, 07:39 PM

Ho Hum . . . . So is next season, their lives in Mexico? I understand they have like 4 seasons mapped out. I bet the finale of this year is getting across the border.

bidger

09-05-06, 09:06 PM

Yes, thank you Ray, that vanishing bit with Sucre and the motorcycle cop bugged the sh*t out of me.

I like this show, but the "yeah...right" moments keep piling up.

Enigma

09-05-06, 10:39 PM

I thought this week's ep was better than last week, not as many ridiculous scenarios as last week (there were a few, though; but more in line with last year). The FBI guy seems to be developing a personality, anyway.

KSP

09-06-06, 12:07 AM

Agree it was generally better. But, my favorite "most unbelievable moment" (seems to be so many of them this year) - was when the motorcycle cop is on the radio about the prisoner he has already identified! He's shown almost continuously watching him while talking on the radio about this dangerous escapee sitting in a car a few feet away, then suddenly the guy is gone and the cop has no idea he has run off into an open field. The cop slowly approaches the car and never ever sees that the guy has jumped out right in front of him and is running away. Hysterical.

I agree. I think any cop would tell you that if they knew they had an escapee pulled over, they certainly wouldn't take their eyes off him for a second. And a few more...

Unbelievable moment #2: Michael sees the broken glass where his car was parked, and then acts shocked when his backpack, that was sitting in plain sight on the front seat, isn't still in the car at the tow company's place.

Unbelievable moment #3: Continuing the show's disregard for time and distance, Sucre makes it from Illinois to New York within 72 hours of the prison break (he made a comment that he hadn't slept in 72 hours, which is presumably when they broke out), so the train he jumped on in Ohio must have been going in the right direction. I guess I can buy that part, but now he is supposed to make it from New York to Vegas on a motorcycle in two days, with no sleep, to stop his girlfriend from getting married.

Unbelievable moment #4: Why the hell does Michael have tatoos for things he needs to remember after he breaks out of prison? Instead of the bar code on his arm, couldn't he have just left a post-it on the sun visor in the car?

Unbelievable moment #5: Are the cops stupid enough to think that the brothers just drove off the side of a bridge? They didn't leave any skid marks, and that explosion was obviously way too powerful for a car falling 30 feet or so off a bridge.

Chris Rein

09-06-06, 01:33 AM

I agree. I think any cop would tell you that if they knew they had an escapee pulled over, they certainly wouldn't take their eyes off him for a second. And a few more...

Unbelievable moment #2: Michael sees the broken glass where his car was parked, and then acts shocked when his backpack, that was sitting in plain sight on the front seat, isn't still in the car at the tow company's place.

Unbelievable moment #3: Continuing the show's disregard for time and distance, Sucre makes it from Illinois to New York within 72 hours of the prison break (he made a comment that he hadn't slept in 72 hours, which is presumably when they broke out), so the train he jumped on in Ohio must have been going in the right direction. I guess I can buy that part, but now he is supposed to make it from New York to Vegas on a motorcycle in two days, with no sleep, to stop his girlfriend from getting married.

Unbelievable moment #4: Why the hell does Michael have tatoos for things he needs to remember after he breaks out of prison? Instead of the bar code on his arm, couldn't he have just left a post-it on the sun visor in the car?

Unbelievable moment #5: Are the cops stupid enough to think that the brothers just drove off the side of a bridge? They didn't leave any skid marks, and that explosion was obviously way too powerful for a car falling 30 feet or so off a bridge.

I agree on some parts, but you are seriously reaching on a few.

I'll respond why.

1. Agree on the Sucre escape. How the cop didn't see him is beyond me. I'm on board with this.

2. Trust me. You've done it. We've all done it. Something goes missing, you search that area for any signs of where it might have gone, and if important enough, you'll be angry about it. He didn't see the window until the car was pulled right up. Natural reaction. Don't agree there.

3. I'll buy the trip to NY. But he won't make it in time to Vegas to stop the wedding. Now, have you seen the next episode? I know what happens next episode, and it is big, and episode 5 is another good one, and know Sucre is in Vegas by that time, but don't know his outcome. Do we know if Sucre makes it in time to stop the wedding? I am going to hold this judgement until we get more on Sucre. You never know, his love could get cold feet.

4. Um, ever lose a sticky note? His bag was stolen, and that car could have easily been stolen too. Altering plans, which they've done already, made it a wise decision to keep the info on the tats. Why leave MORE clues for know it all Mahone? Don't agree with you there.

5. Yeah, I can't agree with you on this one. That scene isn't over for Mahone. He could easily say in the next episode something is wrong and not see the skid marks. He's angry (downing pills was the indicator) and now he has his fix, he'll figure it out. I've never seen a car explode, and if the electrical mixed with the gas, I bet it could make a decent explosion.

What I am shocked you didn't say was how Bellick showed up so fast next to the car provided by Scofield's other woman? Now that's an unbelievable moment. :p

My only concern/gripe is why do we have to show previews for the following week with HORRIBLE car accidents? Nice Scofield dummy! LOL!

I can't wait to see the reactions after next weeks episode. You thought Veronica was early.... ;) :eek:

kblee

09-06-06, 09:08 AM

Unbelievable moment #3: Continuing the show's disregard for time and distance, Sucre makes it from Illinois to New York within 72 hours of the prison break (he made a comment that he hadn't slept in 72 hours, which is presumably when they broke out), so the train he jumped on in Ohio must have been going in the right direction. I guess I can buy that part, but now he is supposed to make it from New York to Vegas on a motorcycle in two days, with no sleep, to stop his girlfriend from getting married.

This is the one that got me. And, I'm sure the dude who owns the motorcycle is really going to let him take his bike after hearing that he hasn't slept for 72 hours.

danc8379

09-06-06, 09:50 AM

Unbelievable moment #5: Are the cops stupid enough to think that the brothers just drove off the side of a bridge? They didn't leave any skid marks, and that explosion was obviously way too powerful for a car falling 30 feet or so off a bridge.

I definitely agree--also, it shouldn't take them too long to figure out that the railing was unscrewed and removed and not rammed into. Plus, are a couple of bags of (presumably) body parts really going to be mistaken for two full human bodies? Especially when the car had only been on fire for about a minute? Don't the police cars have fire extinguishers?

archiguy

09-06-06, 09:59 AM

I definitely agree--also, it shouldn't take them too long to figure out that the railing was unscrewed and removed and not rammed into. Plus, are a couple of bags of (presumably) body parts really going to be mistaken for two full human bodies? Especially when the car had only been on fire for about a minute? Don't the police cars have fire extinguishers?

Mahone is going to figure it all out, of course, but it will buy them a little time to get away. There's going to be a lot of that this season.

DR_LaRRY_PEpPeR

09-06-06, 10:08 AM

Chris, how have you seen yet-to-be-aired episodes...? And there will be another death next week? :eek:

BTW, I'm really liking the show this season, even with the unbelievable parts (loved your post KSP :D). I couldn't get into that much last season... I think I started actually "watching" full eps. and trying to follow things only in the last episodes leading up to the escape/finale.

CPanther95

09-06-06, 10:31 AM

Losing the backpack is a serious problem. Jack Bauer's man-bag never left his side and always offered a semi-plausible explanation for a lot of hard to swallow plot developments. :)

RaveD

09-06-06, 10:31 AM

Unbelievable moment #6: People are actually debating the believability of this show ;)

The whole premise is not credible. But it's sure fun to watch and looks great in HD.

archiguy

09-06-06, 10:47 AM

CPanther95

09-06-06, 10:53 AM

No, the "Jack-sack" was the canvas bag he carried. I was talking about something else. You need a man-bag with balls of steel to explain many of Jack's actions. :D

Iteki

09-06-06, 11:51 AM

Pretty decent actor swap for the Pres's brother. I guess the President's role will be minimized since she left also.

Lady lawyer wasn't very bright.

No she sure wasn't...I was surprised at her 'whacking'...thought for sure they'd put her in jeopardy and make the brothers detour to Montana to get her out of it, but I can see how that wouldn't be practical storywise. Her character had served it's purpose I suppose. Although I wonder who's going to look after the son now...

Iteki

09-06-06, 11:53 AM

I f'ing loved that they killed her off like that. Even more so when they carried her out of the house in two bags!

That was a truly gruesome detail...reminded me of 'Very Bad Things'

GeekGirlCutie

09-06-06, 12:12 PM

I finally got around to watching this week's episode last nite and much better than the first two imo....the show faltered a little but hopefully gets back into the swing of things....most unbelievable PB moment so far: vascular microsurgery to attach that dumb hand that had been sitting in a cooler for who knows how long, done with no special tools, just plain sutures, by a vet....and the hand is good as gold afterwards.

PB has some impausible moments which are ok with me and make the show fun, but I hope the writers don't continue with the absurd.

Still beats most of what else is out there right now.

GeekGirlCutie

09-06-06, 12:14 PM

What I learned on last night's episode is that cayenne pepper and vodka can heal a gunshot wound!

lol....I've been in medicine for ten years and didn't know that one either! :D

Iteki

09-06-06, 12:16 PM

Losing the backpack is a serious problem. Jack Bauer's man-bag never left his side and always offered a semi-plausible explanation for a lot of hard to swallow plot developments. :)

Yes, only the man-purse allowed him to survive....come to think of it he wasn't carrying it when the Chinese finally nabbed him! He should have never taken it off! And it matched his shoes :-)

archiguy

09-06-06, 12:17 PM

....most unbelievable PB moment so far: vascular microsurgery to attach that dumb hand that had been sitting in a cooler for who knows how long, done with no special tools, just plain sutures, by a vet....and the hand is good as gold afterwards.

Actually, we don't know that the hand is "as good as gold"; in fact, we never see T-Bag use it after it's reattached.

In fact, I've sort of come to the opinion that the writers have to know how unbelievable that whole thing was, and have the intention of having the hand "go bad" later on. I mean, it's not even in a splint and both forearm bones were severed! They can't just shrug it off and have T-Bag go merrily on his evil way.

IrmoGamecoq

09-06-06, 02:31 PM

In fact, I've sort of come to the opinion that the writers have to know how unbelievable that whole thing was, and have the intention of having the hand "go bad" later on.

You mean it's going to go "bad" like in that movie "Idle Hands?"

That'll be entertaining!

I guess the old Indian Vet knew what he was doing afterall. Maybe he imbued the hand with his spirit and it'll haunt T-Bag the rest of his days. :D

Rammitinski

09-06-06, 02:35 PM

Mahone is going to figure it all out, of course, but it will buy them a little time to get away. There's going to be a lot of that this season.Didn't I see this before in the 60's, only it was with Dr. Richard Kimball and Lt. Gerard (although, for the most part it was more plausible - at least the one-armed man never had his arm crudely re-attached by a vetenarian :rolleyes: )?

lynesjc

09-06-06, 02:37 PM

Mahone is going to figure it all out, of course, but it will buy them a little time to get away. There's going to be a lot of that this season.

I think you're on the right track here. I don't think Scofield thought they would really buy it, it just throws them off the scent temporarily, gives them a little time.

What I don't get is why they think the US Gov't is going to stop looking for the convicted murderer of the President's brother just because they're in Mexico.

Rammitinski

09-06-06, 02:42 PM

I think you're on the right track here. I don't think Scofield thought they would really buy it, it just throws them off the scent temporarily, gives them a little time.

What I don't get is why they think the US Gov't is going to stop looking for the convincted murderer of the President's brother just because they're in Mexico.Yeah. And the fact that they don't in the least bit look Mexican might make things a little harder too. :cool:

archiguy

09-06-06, 02:50 PM

You mean it's going to go "bad" like in that movie "Idle Hands?"

That'll be entertaining!

I guess the old Indian Vet knew what he was doing afterall. Maybe he imbued the hand with his spirit and it'll haunt T-Bag the rest of his days. :D

I hadn't thought of that when I wrote "hand go bad" at first, but I like your idea better! :D

Dynot

09-06-06, 04:31 PM

I agree on some parts, but you are seriously reaching on a few.

I'll respond why.

3. I'll buy the trip to NY. But he won't make it in time to Vegas to stop the wedding. Now, have you seen the next episode? I know what happens next episode, and it is big, and episode 5 is another good one, and know Sucre is in Vegas by that time, but don't know his outcome. Do we know if Sucre makes it in time to stop the wedding? I am going to hold this judgement until we get more on Sucre. You never know, his love could get cold feet.

5. Yeah, I can't agree with you on this one. That scene isn't over for Mahone. He could easily say in the next episode something is wrong and not see the skid marks. He's angry (downing pills was the indicator) and now he has his fix, he'll figure it out. I've never seen a car explode, and if the electrical mixed with the gas, I bet it could make a decent explosion.

3. All we know & see is that Sucre left NY to stop the wedding. Nothing unbelievable with that; afterall, the man was so in love he risked his life to break out of jail. If he makes it - now that is a stretch.

5. Just before they came to a stop on the bridge Michael asks "Are you ready?" then slams on the brakes doing a half-spin. So the skid-marks are there.

sp1dey

09-07-06, 10:14 AM

OK, just watched this weeks show... riddle me this... How did Bellick know the brother's would be at that very spot at the end of the show. Bellick mentions he gets it from the fat dude, but this car explosion only comes into play if plan A falters. Nobody except Michael even knew about a plan b. I just don't see how Bellick's character fits with the show anymore. The Invasion/BlackHawk Down guy is growing on me but I have a hard time believing two ex prison guards are going to keep up with a genius con and high ranking FBI agent. So far Season 2 is a letdown for me, but I'll keep tuning in for now.

wasting

09-07-06, 10:16 AM

If you remember from season 1, Bellick knows where Nika (michael's fakewife) works he could have followed her thinking she'd eventually contact michael..

CPanther95

09-07-06, 10:47 AM

He specifically said that he knew that if he tailed the girl, she'd lead them to Scofield.

sp1dey

09-07-06, 10:50 AM

He specifically said that he knew that if he tailed the girl, she'd lead them to Scofield.

Did he? I thought he mentioned the fat dude... must have missed that, dude sounds like he has marbles in his mouth.

IrmoGamecoq

09-07-06, 01:11 PM

Did he? I thought he mentioned the fat dude... must have missed that, dude sounds like he has marbles in his mouth.

Yeah, he turned to his "partner" and said something to the effect of "see, I told you she'd lead us right to them."

memnoch

09-07-06, 03:07 PM

Did he? I thought he mentioned the fat dude... must have missed that, dude sounds like he has marbles in his mouth.
i believe that the only thing they could have gotten from fat dude is the utah thing.
yes, bellick knew about the girl so following her was not a stretch.
i agree with everyone regarding t-bag's hand. maybe the writers was initially thinking of writing off t-bag early in the season and eventually decided to keep him longer and to do that, they would have to give him use of his hand again. :D if this is the case then i'm fine with it because i love t-bag!

NetworkTV

09-08-06, 03:53 AM

...if this is the case then i'm fine with it because i love t-bag!
He probably loves you, too....

....not that there's anything wrong with that... ;)

IrmoGamecoq

09-08-06, 08:50 AM

He probably loves you, too....

....not that there's anything wrong with that... ;)

My wife and I got into a debate about whether T-bag is *really* that way, or he was just acting that way to put the other character's off-kilter at times. Neither of us had started watching PB regularly until late in the season so we couldn't be sure.

So is he or isn't he?

Hawkeye7

09-08-06, 12:13 PM

He was a jailhouse homosexual and obviously a sexual deviant (He was in for murder and being a pedo.) But he did use a woman to get closer to her kids.

I think he does what ever he wants sexually.

IrmoGamecoq

09-08-06, 01:50 PM

He was a jailhouse homosexual and obviously a sexual deviant (He was in for murder and being a pedo.) But he did use a woman to get closer to her kids.

I think he does what ever he wants sexually.

The last episode listed his rap sheet partly as "sexual assault" so that was what prompted the debate. I didn't know he was a pedophile, but that fits what is certainly a pretty despicable character. Thanks for the info.

Whitearrow

09-08-06, 03:01 PM

Unbelievable moment #6: People are actually debating the believability of this show ;)

The whole premise is not credible. But it's sure fun to watch and looks great in HD.

Well, exactly. The only thing I'm surprised about was people finding this season any less plausible than first season. There was plenty of implausability built into that right from the very beginning. Michael's entire plan -- starting with the presumption that he'd be placed in the same prison as Lincoln -- is implausible. Using a full-body tattoo is totally implausible. The idea that a *death row inmate* would ever be allowed into a general population work detail is utterly implausible -- etc., etc., etc. And I haven't even mentioned the conspiracy yet.

The interesting thing, to me, about this show is the characters -- how they relate to each other, how they react to different events, what each of their priorities are. It's pretty much exactly the same as 24 for me, without quite so much of the adrenaline, ticky-clock part :)

When the characters stop being interesting, I'm done, but until then, they have me. And I really like that William Fichtner's character is Tommy Lee Jones instead of another Bellick.

And maybe I'm the only romantic, but I love Michael's note to Sara, both the note itself and the sekrit code.

scowl

09-08-06, 07:31 PM

I don't mind the implausibility that much. That can actually work to a show's advantage. It's the impossibility that bugs me. It's not implausible that a vet can reattach a guy's severed hand -- it's impossible, a product of carelessness writing.

Rammitinski

09-09-06, 03:07 AM

I don't know if it's impossible - any hack could attach the thing. Doing it right is another matter. It still may end up gangrened - give it another episode at least

The truly unbelievable thing is that he did it without any aenethesia.

ak3883

09-09-06, 11:56 AM

On the whole car thing, I noticed a few things since I had a 92 Honda Accord and know every detail about the 90-93 (in the show it's a 90 or 91).

First off the doors do not make the sound they used when they shut. Standard sound effect of a car door shutting I guess.

The radio, now this is interesting. On the car in the episode, it comes from 98-00 Accords, and must be rewired to put it into a 90-91, the plugs aren't the same. But the standard radio in the 90-91 did NOT have a scan function, so I can understand why the newer one was put in.

And I don't get why he couldn't just tune it down, and then hit scan to get away from the car before it exploded. I guess having it upside down, you do have to really think for a second to make sure you turn the knob the correct way.

Josh Z

09-09-06, 01:06 PM

And I don't get why he couldn't just tune it down, and then hit scan to get away from the car before it exploded.

He could have, and in fact may have. We just didn't see exactly what he did.

CPanther95

09-09-06, 01:25 PM

And I don't get why he couldn't just tune it down, and then hit scan to get away from the car before it exploded. I guess having it upside down, you do have to really think for a second to make sure you turn the knob the correct way.

If it's a round knob, "down" should be counter-clockwise, even upside-down. Of course, Linc isn't known as the smart one. ;)

nlacey

09-09-06, 04:50 PM

hoggy

09-09-06, 06:39 PM

I think the reason he didn't tune it back and then hit scan was because it got stuck on that station once and they must be assuming that it will again.

Josh Z

09-09-06, 07:12 PM

I think the reason he didn't tune it back and then hit scan was because it got stuck on that station once and they must be assuming that it will again.

First, we don't now that he didn't go back a few stations. I think he probably did. Second, the reason it got stuck is because the car crashed, which jarred the radio out of its "Scan" mode.

ak3883

09-09-06, 11:49 PM

First, we don't now that he didn't go back a few stations. I think he probably did. Second, the reason it got stuck is because the car crashed, which jarred the radio out of its "Scan" mode.

Correct, the only way to get it out of scan mode is to hit the scan button again. Something must have hit it on the way down from the bridge(which is possible, I guess). The scan button can't get "stuck" on a station with that radio.

danc8379

09-09-06, 11:58 PM

Correct, the only way to get it out of scan mode is to hit the scan button again. Something must have hit it on the way down from the bridge(which is possible, I guess). The scan button can't get "stuck" on a station with that radio.

I guess he wasn't at all concerned that the impact of the car falling off the bridge would break the radio??

ricwhite

09-10-06, 01:36 PM

So why head to Utah. Last time I checked...Utah was a state...not a small city.

Isn't Utah just a small farming community with polygamists and sheep? :)

nlacey

09-10-06, 01:47 PM

lol...i dunno..maybe i'm putting to much thought into it. Just find it funny that they are using it so loosely. Hell,...utah is 82,144 square miles big....and them saying we headed west to utah towards the money just seems broad to me.

pkonold

09-10-06, 09:36 PM

The thing that keeps bothering me is that...some of the other cons are trying to head to Utah after the money. Aside from Micheal....they dont know where it is. So why head to Utah. Last time I checked...Utah was a state...not a small city. lol...what are the chances of them finding the location and getting there before micheal?

They did say where in Utah on the show. If you remember, the old man (D.B. Cooper) that didn't make it too long into the escape, told them the money is buried under a silo on a ranch in Tooele, Utah. One the show they pronounced it tool-uh :) It is really too-ell'-uh :p

nlacey

09-10-06, 09:50 PM

Ok I stand corrected. Thanks. Can't wait for tomorrow night. :)

Karyk

09-11-06, 08:28 PM

Enigma

09-11-06, 10:04 PM

I thought tonite's ep was the best of the season.

MarkAllan22

09-11-06, 11:26 PM

I thought tonite's ep was the best of the season.

As did I.

Bellick was hilarious in this episode.

rsra13

09-12-06, 01:13 AM

Yeah, they keep it more "reasonable" tonight.

jdiehl

09-12-06, 01:51 AM

Yeah, they keep it more "reasonable" tonight.

Other than Michael and Lincoln letting the stripper go free after she turned on them and was going to call the cops/FBI. At that point, they needed to go tie her up with the two prison guards since her next move was probably to call for help and inform the authorities about the two brother's whereabouts and plans (she'd still get the reward money as her lead would potentially lead to their capture... you don't have to hold an escaped convict at gunpoint in order to collect reward money, just give them a tip that leads to the arrest).

Also, since when does a mob boss perform a "hit" on his own? (even when it's personal). Don't they usually send one of the underling/soldiers to clean up messes like that? I didn't buy Abruzzi falling for the trap that easily.

Rammitinski

09-12-06, 03:19 AM

I'm a bit behind watching, and just saw last week's episode. I thought it was the best yet, but that only means it was okay. There were relatively few things that made me roll my eyes compared to the first two episodes.Yeah, it certainly was easier to just "get into" the episode straight through for a change.

The only thing that had me thinking during it was that hand again, when he was showing it. I still think that thing should've shriveled up and fallen off by now.

But that part at the end about letting the stripper go was definitely pretty stupid, and I did take note of that. At least they saved it till the very end.

archiguy

09-12-06, 06:52 AM

The stripper girl may have really wanted to help Michael and Linc up until the point where she overheard Michael professing his love for Sara. I took that as the point where she decided to betray them (Hell hath no fury, etc, etc.). And does it make sense for Bellick to just leave all three of them tied up together in a room without him in there so that they can more easily work up a plot against him?

And what's with Tweener and the Utah girl? I thought she was all about ratting him out, and then all of a sudden she sees him half-nekkid after a shower and decides she's going to do him instead? Huh?? I realize it was all part of the "bait & switch" scene with Abruzzi (this is becoming a common plot device), but still, it seemed inconsistent. Guess she's going to be his moll from here on out.

And it's too bad we'll never get to see T-bag get his revenge on Abruzzi now. But, hey, that's one less character to write for!

raaj

09-12-06, 07:55 AM

archiguy

09-12-06, 09:11 AM

I thought killing off a character like Abruzzi with an actor of that caliber playing it was pretty stupid for what appeared to be no apparent benefit. Maybe this was one of those "Contract Killings" where characters get whacked because the actor had disagreements on his contract terms or something like that.

Doubtful. I think it's more of trying to winnow the cast down (my bet is Sucre is next) so that they don't have to keep bouncing around subplots that aren't as interesting to the audience as the main plot thread involving Mike and Linc. Additionally, having regular characters from last season get caught or killed helps keep the tension and sense of danger cranked up. That's become a pretty standard device these days in these sorts of "thriller" type shows.