There are successor versions of the MEI MN67753IKA MPEG decoder. They were used in Panasonic and Denon players, but unfortunately there are no reports about their SDI quality.

The Philips DVD963SA has a dramatically better SDI picture than the RP82/RA82. There are a lot of reports in european and UK forums.

I will SDI modify an DVD963SA very soon if I hopefully get my ordered unit and then I am able to directly compare my RA82 SDI (european model of the RP82).

Bejoro - Who does the SDI mod to the DVD963SA? You? If so, do you do this for others?

Yes, I'll do it by myself. It is difficult to do this for others, because I am not able to grant any guarantee. It is much better to ask one of the companies which do SDI mods professionally. It is more expensive but also much more secure.

Yeah I heard about this Oppo player, although it seems it's difficult to find in Europe, so you are saying it's performing particulary good with the Oppo or you are saying it will perform good with any cheap DVD player, I have a Samsung HD-850 with had some decent results in DVD benchmarks but of course nothing spectacular, you think it's going to be a good couple?

the oppo is very well made and passes 576i/480i via HDMI ... which lets the VP 'do its thing' ....

for the money, the oppo 970 is a steal...

the oppo is very well made and passes 576i/480i via HDMI ... which lets the VP 'do its thing' ....

for the money, the oppo 970 is a steal...

I agree. I had a Pioneer Elite DVD player in my HT (moved to the Family Room now). The OPPO feeding 480i HDMI into my VP50 is better (outputting 720P to my Optoma H79)! SJ

Oppo 970hd = best $150 ever spent on my HT. :)

Thx for the help and advice guys.

Don't know if i'm allowed to ask this but if anyone know a place where the VP50 is selling for a good price, please send me a PM (they need to ship to Europe), I was suppose to buy one for 2'000$ here on the forum but apparently the guy changed his mind, so now i'm actively looking for one, best i found is 2'500$ open box on Ebay.

Bejoro - Who does the SDI mod to the DVD963SA? You? If so, do you do this for others?

jvbdigital.com will do the 963. I haven't seen the 963 SDI modded but it sounds good. Most of the previous Phillips chipsets I've tried were full featured, but very sluggish particularly in DVD menu navigation. Hopefully the 963 is an improvement there.

- Collin

I have ordered two DVD963SA (without SDI), just in case.
So if anyone within Europe is interested, just let me know.

If this decoder is extremely good, why isn't it still being used? :confused:
Seems odd to me.

There are many times the "new and improved" product lags behind the previous models. The economics of DVD players became "cheaper is better" as the general public, ignorant of video quality, wanted $49 DVD players. And to be honest I don't think Panasonic every really knew what they had with the RP-82. I think they more or less accidentally produced a videophile grade player for a few hundred bucks.

- Collin

Yeah I heard about this Oppo player, although it seems it's difficult to find in Europe, so you are saying it's performing particulary good with the Oppo or you are saying it will perform good with any cheap DVD player, I have a Samsung HD-850 with had some decent results in DVD benchmarks but of course nothing spectacular, you think it's going to be a good couple?

Try Henry @ crtprojectors.co.uk for a European supplier of Oppo players.
He has the Oppo 970 through to the newer 981 model.

There are many times the "new and improved" product lags behind the previous models. The economics of DVD players became "cheaper is better" as the general public, ignorant of video quality, wanted $49 DVD players. And to be honest I don't think Panasonic every really knew what they had with the RP-82. I think they more or less accidentally produced a videophile grade player for a few hundred bucks.


That's true, most often with very large companies with many products.
Engineers get re-assigned, new ones brought in...no one knows anything, except what is in the files.
Seen that before. ;)

Well I finally got a chance to test the HDMI inputs with a 1080P HDMI source. I finally got a PS3 for BD movie watching and I realized it was putting out 1080P to the VP50. But since my Samsung only accepts 1080P on the VGA input the VP50 has to interlace the 1080P signal to 1080i then the TV needs to deinterlace it. I need to try the PS3 output at 1080i to see how that does.

I send 1080i from my Panny BD player to the VP50 and have it output 720p for my Sammy DLP.

Very sweet. :)

I send 1080i from my Panny BD player to the VP50 and have it output 720p for my Sammy DLP.

Very sweet. :)

Do you get 1:1 mapping? I have a vp50 coming and a Samsung plasma

I have the following setup, a Panasonic Rp82 SDi -> VP50 (1.01) -> Sony pearl.

I used to watch Region 1 NTSC DVDs set to a 60hz output (1080p-60hz output setup format) and that was ok.

I tried outpu format -> framerate -> 60hz ->48hz lock and I do see smoother scrolling but I am noticing what look like dropped frames and stutters every few seconds.

Is there anything I need to do to make this work without the stuttering?

Its really visible on end credits of films on verticl scrolling text

thanks in adv
VB

Do you get 1:1 mapping? I have a vp50 coming and a Samsung plasma

Most Sammy DLPs can get 1:1 pixel mapping. That probably means nothing for a Samsung plasma however. I don't know about those.

- Collin

I tried outpu format -> framerate -> 60hz ->48hz lock and I do see smoother scrolling but I am noticing what look like dropped frames and stutters every few seconds.

Is there anything I need to do to make this work without the stuttering?

Pull up the VP50 test pattern with the white bar sweeping across a black screen. That's your frame rate test pattern. If the movement of the bar is smooth, your projector is properly syncing to 48hz. If the bar's movement is jagged, the projector is converting the 48hz input back to 60hz and you're losing all benefits of the frame rate conversion.

If your display is 60hz, will a 1:1 lock get rid of judder from film sources? Or are you just out of luck unless you have a display that can accomodate multiples of 24?

my test pattern is smooth. But I still get dropped frames/stutter, or whatever it is, when watching dvd via sdi with the vp50 set to 48hz out.

I checked my test pattern and it looked like there were still micro judders. The Pearl reports a 47.95 Locked display rate.
Stutters in movies are easier to see because there is more stuff being displayed vs the single vertical white stripe. I think the 1920 pixels makes the small jumps hard to detect.

I check the opening section of the man Who wasnt there which has a barbers pole which is useful for checking stutters and I can detect them in that.

Perhaps Im just being fussy or perhaps there is something I need to switch to make everything as silky smooth as i had expected at 48hz.

I havent bought a HD DVD or BR player yet so only have UK satellite @ 50hz and Reg1 DVD vis the RP82 to check with.

thanks for your comments
Ian

Hi All,

May I ask how you connect your sat box to the vp50 (hdmi or compnt and res) and if you are satisfied with the picture?

The reason I am asking is that I get absolutely fantastic picture from my oppo 970hd at 576i@50 or 480i@60 via hdmi to the VP50 to my Sharp LC52 (1920x1080 native) at 1980p@50/60 but very average picture from both my sat receivers (one HD via hdmi outputing progressive only at 576p and 720p and 1080i and the other via component outputing 576i only) for SD channels.

The very few FTA HD Channels look fantastic through the HD Sat Rx but SD channels on both Sat Rxs look very average in every aspect (ie judder even with output locked, dull colors, no where near what I get from DVD or HD FTA channels :(

Note that I have calibrated my display, VP50 and DVD but not the Sat Rxs as I haven't found a test channel yet (Sat hotbird 13E).

Also I had to adjust the underscan in the VP50's o/p to get the really best results from my DVD (and 1:1 pixel mapping on the telly) when calibrating as the Telly has two options only when inputing 1080 signal in terms of modes; a full mode and an underscan mode (ie no dot-by-dot as in the US models!).
In order to get the geometry and chessboards etc right I had to use the ful mode and use the underscan in the vp50 o/p.

I also tried PReP on the HD Sat for the SD channels at 576p but the picture I got was even worse (or the same at best)!

I even tried connecting directly the HD sat to the TV's hdmi i/p but it didn't make any difference (if not worse)

I am really running out of ideas here... I mean SD DVDs look great even fantastic but Sat channels dreadful!!


many thanks in advance for any suggestions and sorry for the long post,

kopa13

I checked my test pattern and it looked like there were still micro judders. The Pearl reports a 47.95 Locked display rate.
Stutters in movies are easier to see because there is more stuff being displayed vs the single vertical white stripe. I think the 1920 pixels makes the small jumps hard to detect. IanI think I'm right in saying that you will see small judders if the source is film. You are after all seeing a doubled 24fps image - each original image is only updated 24 times per second, so on a reasonably fast pan, you will see the frame to frame displacement of the image. If the vertical test bar pans smoothly (really smoothly without any small breakups along the edges), you've got 1:1 frame lock.

I have my frame rate locked to 50Hz to suit my sources and here in PAL land, the TV broadcasts are sent out at 25 frames/sec - this the same scenario as you have where the frame rate is sent out at 24Hz and you double the scan rate to 48Hz. I still see judder, but the increments are smaller and more frequent, as there is no 50 to 60Hz frame rate conversion (for a display that can only take 60Hz refresh rate for example). With frame rate conversion, the judder displacement is much larger and more sporadic.

I have an older Sammy HLN507w DLP tv and have a custom resolution that was originally created with Powerstrip(for a PC) so that I could get a 1:1 pixel map, but have not been able to do it with the VP50. Any idea of getting this configured correctly? Or should I email them to DVDO so they could possibly help me in creating a custom resolution? Does anyone else have a Older sammy DLP with a 1:1 res?

Hi Escon - thanks for your reply.

You could perhaps be righ re the update interval, however the thing that still makes me question that something is not right is that the stutters are random, i.e not constant. Vertical scroling titles at the end of films exhibit this really clearly, they scroll updwards for a few seconds as smooth as silk and then pop, they miss a line or two and then return to silky smooth. 48hz (47.65) looks better than 60hz (59.94) except for these little 'jumps'.

At the moment I dont think 48hz is the holy grail I was expecting it to be.....either my system isnt working correctly or my eyes are better than everyone elses on here (and that i dnt believe for a minute!)

Kopa13 - I think you are seeing he limitation with your OTA broadcasts - they always over compress the signal to get as many channels out of the available bandwidth as they can. Consumers buy quantity over quality it seems :-(

vfrjim - I'd ask DVDO as well. Im sure they will do their best to help.

Hi Escon - thanks for your reply.

You could perhaps be righ re the update interval, however the thing that still makes me question that something is not right is that the stutters are random, i.e not constant. Vertical scroling titles at the end of films exhibit this really clearly, they scroll updwards for a few seconds as smooth as silk and then pop, they miss a line or two and then return to silky smooth. 48hz (47.65) looks better than 60hz (59.94) except for these little 'jumps'.

At the moment I dont think 48hz is the holy grail I was expecting it to be.....either my system isnt working correctly or my eyes are better than everyone elses on here (and that i dnt believe for a minute!)

Did you try to adjust the frame rate slightly up or down around 48Hz in the format menu? If you get more stutter adjust slightly in the other direction and vice versa. The scrolling titles at the end of a movie are a good test pattern.

Thats an idea I havent done Bernhard, thanks Ill give it a go this evening when I get home.
I had a thought that to fix the audio glitches DVDO may have bumped the video rather than audio which would be less noticeable (movies dont spend al their time panning etc).......I hope this isnt the case.

Thats an idea I havent done Bernhard, thanks Ill give it a go this evening when I get home.
I had a thought that to fix the audio glitches DVDO may have bumped the video rather than audio which would be less noticeable (movies dont spend al their time panning etc).......I hope this isnt the case.

Please let us know, what you have found out regarding the frame rate adjustment.

Audio dropouts:
I have reported some effects to Josh of DVDO but have not got any feedback at all (incl. on my questions). It seems that this is still a jitter problem. Some with high-end equipment and short cables did not notice any dropout problem. I have changed the arrangement of my setup and now I am using shorter cables to the VP-50. I had some sporadic (every 2 to 5 min) but reproducible dropouts with Dolby-Digital from my DVD-Player, absolutely none with PCM. But I had to use a 5m RCA-Coax cable. Now I have a 1m high-quality RCA-Coax cable connected and I have to test this again.

Thats an idea I havent done Bernhard, thanks Ill give it a go this evening when I get home.
I had a thought that to fix the audio glitches DVDO may have bumped the video rather than audio which would be less noticeable (movies dont spend al their time panning etc).......I hope this isnt the case.

The DVDO architecture is not a general purpose processor with a fixed hardware and customizable software. Such systems (like the Realta) have a finite amount of processing resources which need to be distributed between several tasks. The DVDO on the other hand uses an FPGA based solution which is essentially a chip that can be programmed to rewire itself to become any other chip. Its only resources limitation is the number of gates that can be used. There is no runtime processing hit for spending more gates on audio. I'm sure they left enough headroom in the FPGAs to incorporate a new audio logic without sacrificing any gates for video. Those are some really massive FPGAs in the box. They must cost a pretty penny.

- Collin

I think the guys are on vacation, which is why you're not getting responses.

About the judder. You should expect some degree of consistant judder for 48hz even on film mode DVDs, simply because the source is now 24fps. If there is a frame drop, you would have to notice it on the judder test.

Another possibility is that the frame rate is not exactly set to 48hz either on the source, or detected correctly by the display (could be a function of advanced timing!) which would cause this type of problem on the display side.

The DVDO on the other hand uses an FPGA based solution which is essentially a chip that can be programmed to rewire itself to become any other chip. Its only resources limitation is the number of gates that can be used.

FPGA designs are actually constrained by more things, including timing requirements (can a signal make it from this logic block to another logic block within some time period?), and connectivity (can these logic blocks hook up in the right way to let me realize my function while meeting the timing constraints?). The FPGA design can even be made such that it has the behavior OP is asking about: trading off processing on one kind of algorithm to increase the speed of another.

--Andre

Need some help guys. What is the best way to split a signal and then send it to the VP50?

I have a Directv HR10-250 in another room (only about 6 feet away because it is on the other side of the wall). I want to split the signal from that and feed one end to a TV in another room and the other end to my VP50 in my family room.

I tried the Monoprice splitter - shown here:
http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/25221.jpg

This did not work because the signal seemed to degrade and I would get no singal at all or the screen would have a bunch of white specs on it.

Then I read about the Gefen products. I read that they have some audio problems but there was a way to get them to work by changing the audio to PCM.

This is the Gefen splitter I bought.

http://www.gefen.com/images/hdmi-1x2-topblack.jpg

It is a 1x2 amplifier splitter. Initially it worked, but then it made my VP50 crash. I get error codes - different each time, 14, 18, 20. I have tried every combination - even moving the audio to the toslink and not passing through any audio at all - still no luck.

Does anyone have any ideas? How can this be done?

FPGA designs are actually constrained by more things, including timing requirements (can a signal make it from this logic block to another logic block within some time period?), and connectivity (can these logic blocks hook up in the right way to let me realize my function while meeting the timing constraints?). The FPGA design can even be made such that it has the behavior OP is asking about: trading off processing on one kind of algorithm to increase the speed of another.

--Andre

True, true. I wasn't trying to go too in depth. In the case we're talking about they almost certainly have relatively decoupled audio and video logic running in parallel and therefore not subject to the sort of fight for cycles issues that people are familiar with on their desktop PCs.

- Collin

Need some help guys. Initially it worked, but then it made my VP50 crash.A few pages back there was some discussion of Gefen splitters and iScans not getting along. Try this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9057273&&#post9057273) for starters.

UPDATE:Been using the Gefen HDMI splitter (4:1) with the VP50 since I got it working a few weeks ago and sometimes you need to reselect the source that you selected due to a HDCP handshaking issue, but after reselecting the device, it works fine. This only happened twice (same device, Roku HD1000 (funny thing, no HDCP on that device since it is component video source)) But am very happy with the VP50 and the Gefen, even with the few quirks.

Jim

Anyone experiencing intermittent judder problems with 1080i60 material displayed at 48Hz?

I've recently upgraded my VP30 to a VP50 and all works fine apart from I'm seeing occasional judder / dropped-frames when feeding the VP50 1080i60 on component input from an Xbox360 with HD-DVD add-on and displaying this at 48Hz to my Optoma H79 projector. I know the projector is fine handling 48Hz as SD material is perfectly smooth from the VP50 (as it was with VP30). Also, the judder test pattern at 48Hz is beautifully smooth as well. The problem is only apparent with HD-DVD material.

It seems to happen briefly maybe every other minute on all disks I've tried so far and seems to occur more frequently on scene changes, so I'm wondering if cadence is being lost?

It's reproducible as well. For example Batman Begins HD-DVD, at 10min 30secs into the movie where the young Bruce Wayne is being carried up the steps by his father towards the mansion. During the walk up the steps and in particular as they approach the maid standing on the right hand side, the image appears to just perceptually judder on a number of occasions. The SD version of this scene at 48Hz is perfectly smooth.

I've tried version 1.00 and 1.01 firmware and all de-interlacing modes but it's stubbornly there whatever I try. It's not the feed from the Xbox360, as far as I can tell, as I can set the VP50's outgoing framerate to 60Hz and this specific judder problem disappears.

Anybody encountered anything like this or could give the scene described above a try ?

Allan

is the deinterlacing mode set to auto or film mode? Does it happen in both modes?

Anyone experiencing intermittent judder problems with 1080i60 material displayed at 48Hz?

I've recently upgraded my VP30 to a VP50 and all works fine apart from I'm seeing occasional judder / dropped-frames when feeding the VP50 1080i60 on component input from an Xbox360 with HD-DVD add-on and displaying this at 48Hz to my Optoma H79 projector. I know the projector is fine handling 48Hz as SD material is perfectly smooth from the VP50 (as it was with VP30). Also, the judder test pattern at 48Hz is beautifully smooth as well. The problem is only apparent with HD-DVD material.

It seems to happen briefly maybe every other minute on all disks I've tried so far and seems to occur more frequently on scene changes, so I'm wondering if cadence is being lost?

It's reproducible as well. For example Batman Begins HD-DVD, at 10min 30secs into the movie where the young Bruce Wayne is being carried up the steps by his father towards the mansion. During the walk up the steps and in particular as they approach the maid standing on the right hand side, the image appears to just perceptually judder on a number of occasions. The SD version of this scene at 48Hz is perfectly smooth.

I've tried version 1.00 and 1.01 firmware and all de-interlacing modes but it's stubbornly there whatever I try. It's not the feed from the Xbox360, as far as I can tell, as I can set the VP50's outgoing framerate to 60Hz and this specific judder problem disappears.

Anybody encountered anything like this or could give the scene described above a try ?

Allan

My 360 is in for repairs, so i can't try it (the HD DVD drive doesn't do me much good right now :( ). However, I also have a VP50 and H79. Never tried running the VP50 at 48Hz. Only at 60 which works fine. Why are you using 48Hz?

I've never had judder from Cable or DVD with 48Hz to my Ruby until I tried it with the X360's HD-DVD. It seems inconsistent so I'm not sure what the problem is. I can confidently say that 48Hz works on my VP50 (did not try new firmware) but I have noticed judder with the x360hddvd in the chain.

is the deinterlacing mode set to auto or film mode? Does it happen in both modes?I've tried both and its just the same for each mode, no difference unfortunately.


Why are you using 48Hz?The VP50 is capable of reconstructing the original 24 fps image encoded on the HD-DVD using the information contained in the 1080i60 signal. When working correctly, outputting this 24fps image at 48Hz (ie by simply doubling the frame rate) gives the smoothest image possible. 60Hz will always contain a small amount of judder.


I have noticed judder with the x360hddvd in the chain.Interesting. I wonder why there is a problem with the Xbox 360 HD-DVD? Would be interesting to know if anyone else see's this with the Xbox and also if it definitely goes away when playing the same disk in one of the standalone HD-DVD players.

Allan

It's reproducible as well. For example Batman Begins HD-DVD, at 10min 30secs into the movie where the young Bruce Wayne is being carried up the steps by his father towards the mansion. During the walk up the steps and in particular as they approach the maid standing on the right hand side, the image appears to just perceptually judder on a number of occasions. The SD version of this scene at 48Hz is perfectly smooth.

If the judder is reproduceable at a specific point every time, it's got to be either a glitch on the disc or a problem with the way the Xbox add-on is decoding it.

I watch all my HD DVDs and Blu-rays at 48hz through the VP50, and it's been smooth as silk, aside from that amount of judder inherent to all film-based 24fps material.

Josh,

I was thinking along the same lines, afterall if it was a generic problem with the VP50 I'm sure we'd see posts left and right about this. I don't think it can be the disk as I'm seeing this on other disks as well. However, the worrying aspect for me is that if I set the outgoing framerate on the VP50 to 60Hz I'm not seeing these glitches at all which I think tends to indicate that the incoming signal from the Xbox is 'glitch-free', possibly? I'm just wondering if there is an issue with my VP50.

Would be very helpful to get more feedback from other VP50 owners who also use the Xbox hd add-on.

Allan

I just hooked up a PS3 to my VP50 last night. I could not get a picture with the 1080p output from the PS3. I had the Panasonic BD player hooked up before, and it was able to output 1080p properly. I manually set it to 1080i, as I assume the de-interlacer in the VP50 is better (not that I could actually tell a difference).

I wanted to test the PS3 on both outputs, but cannot get the 1080p to work. Any one have any ideas? Does it even make a difference vs 1080i? How does the PS3 generate it's 1080p60 output - is it 1080p24->1080i60->1080p60 like the Sammy/Panasonic?

Josh,

I was thinking along the same lines, afterall if it was a generic problem with the VP50 I'm sure we'd see posts left and right about this. I don't think it can be the disk as I'm seeing this on other disks as well. However, the worrying aspect for me is that if I set the outgoing framerate on the VP50 to 60Hz I'm not seeing these glitches at all which I think tends to indicate that the incoming signal from the Xbox is 'glitch-free', possibly? I'm just wondering if there is an issue with my VP50.

Would be very helpful to get more feedback from other VP50 owners who also use the Xbox hd add-on.

Allan

Allan,

I might have missed this but have you tried 48Hz out of the VP50 with any other sources, either SD or HD?

cal - how are you connecting? First, the PS3 will only output 1080p via HDMI. Next, you must be connected to a projection to complete the HDCP handshake; plus, if you haven't, you need to set HDCP to ON for that input. Do that, and the PS3 should take it from there.

I had to connect to my DVI card in an external switcher, before I could get the hdmi output to work with my crt pj. Can you connect the PS3 direct to your projector? (and have it work?)

Allan, I've got the 360 HD-DVD drive and Batman Begins... but the wife's watching some Strictly Come Dancing nonsense, so I'll try it out when I can get back on my TV ;)

cal - how are you connecting? First, the PS3 will only output 1080p via HDMI. Next, you must be connected to a projection to complete the HDCP handshake; plus, if you haven't, you need to set HDCP to ON for that input. Do that, and the PS3 should take it from there.

I had to connect to my DVI card in an external switcher, before I could get the hdmi output to work with my crt pj. Can you connect the PS3 direct to your projector? (and have it work?)

I am connecting via HDMI, outputting 720P via DVI to a plasma. Like I said, it worked with the Panasonic BD player outputting 1080p. Just wondering what the PS3 is doing differently. The bigger question is whether it really makes a difference 1080i vs 1080p.

So do you get any picture out of the PS3 via hdmi? If so, no hdcp issues. Maybe that movie doesn't do 1080p? (just guessing) As to whether it makes a difference, based upon a full 30 minute, totally subjective viewing of Talledaga Nights, no. :) - I was fighting hdcp, so connected via component, set PS3 max res at 720p, and let VP50 play with it. Looked fine. But also wanted to see what the buzz was about, so connected by hdmi, fixed hdcp, and PS3 automatically started outputting at 1080p, with no input on my part. But I'm on PS firmware 1.10 - I read that they changed, so if you're on 1.32, you may have to do something different.

1080i works fine via HDMI. What I am describing is just with the setup process. When I test the 1080p output I get a blank screen. I am on 1.32 firmware.

I have the PS3 output 1080P to my VP50 then the VP50 sends out a 1080i signal to my Samsung 1080P DLP set since itonly takes 1080P over VGA. This looks better than having the PS3 send out 1080i to the VP50.
I am using the latest PS3 firmware and v1.00 on the VP50.

OK, I got it working. I had to revert to the 1.00 firmware on the VP50. Now I can get 1080p working on the PS3. So is it true that 1080p is a better output to feed the VP50 from the PS3?

I also had a problem with the menus with the beta firmware, and the info screen most of the time gave no data. Guess I will wait until the official firmware comes out to try to update again. 45 minutes - uggh. We really need a USB device for updates in the next model.

Will report my problems to DVDO.

this may already be clear from an earlier post, but i want to ask now, is the vp50 doing noise reduction? or, is this practically a no-issue for HD?

I might have missed this but have you tried 48Hz out of the VP50 with any other sources, either SD or HD? Andy, yes, I've got an Arcam DVD player connected via SDI and for Region 1 DVD the VP50 outputs 48Hz. This is perfectly smooth. The only other HD I have is 1080i50 (HD sat. in the UK) which is output by the VP50 at 50Hz, this is perfect also but not really challenging like 1080i60 --> 48Hz progressive.


I've got the 360 HD-DVD drive and Batman Begins... but the wife's watching some Strictly Come Dancing nonsense, so I'll try it out when I can get back on my TV Choddo, looking forward to that.

OK, I got it working. I had to revert to the 1.00 firmware on the VP50. Now I can get 1080p working on the PS3. So is it true that 1080p is a better output to feed the VP50 from the PS3?

I also had a problem with the menus with the beta firmware, and the info screen most of the time gave no data. Guess I will wait until the official firmware comes out to try to update again. 45 minutes - uggh. We really need a USB device for updates in the next model.

Will report my problems to DVDO.

Well I guess I won't be able to update the firmware if 1080P from the PS3 only works with v1.00. I was thinking about doing it this weekend.

Well I guess I won't be able to update the firmware if 1080P from the PS3 only works with v1.00. I was thinking about doing it this weekend.

If you've got time, give it a try. I am curious if this problem is specific to my setup.

When I initially e-mailed DVDO about my info screen problems, they suggested that I reload the 1.01 firmware - maybe it did not load properly. I was skeptical about this solving the problem. Figured going back to 1.00 was safer.

If 1.01 works for you, I might try it again.

aaronwt - go ahead and update the firmware - fwiw, I have finally upgraded mine in VP50 to the beta. Haven't got in enough viewing to know if all is fixed, but with several 1/2 hour sessions in, so far so good. But back to point - using 1.0 firmware on PS3 and beta whatever on VP50, I am successfully sending 1080p to VP, 720p out of VP.

Haven't tried other VP outputs, but can't imagine it making a difference. I know the VP is receiving 1080p - at least that is what the INFO screen tells me when I punch INFO.

If I have time tomorrow after wrapping presents I'll give it a try. I just need to remember to write down all my settings.

I am having a hell of a time getting the PS3 to work with the VP50 thru HDMI. I have the beta software. I keep getting the flashing blue light. For a fraction of a second, I can see the output on the PS3 but then the curtains literally closes on the picture and the blue light starts to flash. The info screen on the VP50 recognizes the signal as 480p-60hz, RGB.

Anyone have any ideas?

Try the HDMI out on manual and try a differnt color space, maybe that will make a difference. I noticed you can choose what colorspace to output. Although since you are on the Beta software that sounds like you would be the second one with it that can't get the PS3 to output 1080P correctly with it. More reason forme not to muck around with the Beta version. Has anyone else tried a PS3 at 1080P out over HDMI with the VP50 Beta software.

this may already be clear from an earlier post, but i want to ask now, is the vp50 doing noise reduction? or, is this practically a no-issue for HD?

The VP50 does not have noise reduction. As for whether that's a "non-issue", that's a matter of opinion. Some people can't stand film grain and want it wiped away no matter how much picture detail is lost in the process.

Isn't NR supposed to be a future firmware update?

Isn't NR supposed to be a future firmware update?
Has never been confirmed nor denied.

Choddo, looking forward to that.
Tried it last night. There's definitely something there, the babysitter seems to jump vertically by slightly more than a frame just after the cut to the close-up. But I looked at it so many times I couldn't even be sure I was seeing it any more! I watched King Kong afterwards and couldn't see anything similar, so either I don't notice it enough to bother me (a 42" screen is a lot more forgiving even up close than your projector I'm sure) or it's a very rare glitch?

Chodo,

Thanks for doing that and getting back to me. I know you think it's slight but I'm sure you are seeing exactly the same thing I am. Try leaving the framrate at 48Hz for HD from the Xbox and I suspect that once you start seeing it, you'll start seeing it all over the place. I put Constantine in tonight and saw a slight stutter within 5 seconds and the film hadn't even started; it was the moving Warner logo at the opening!! Had to switch to 60Hz and put-up with minor 3:2 judder.

Currently re-loading the VP50 with version 1.00 firmware as I type this. Can't stand the audio dropouts. Audio was fine when I got the VP50 last week but it's been getting gradually worse. Reached the point now where I'm getting an audio dropout at a rate of about 1 per minute. Had to stop the film. Trying 1.00 as a last resort. If that doesn't work I think I'll have to go back to my VP30 which was never this bad.

Allan

Anyone experiencing intermittent judder problems with 1080i60 material displayed at 48Hz?

I've recently upgraded my VP30 to a VP50 and all works fine apart from I'm seeing occasional judder / dropped-frames when feeding the VP50 1080i60 on component input from an Xbox360 with HD-DVD add-on and displaying this at 48Hz to my Optoma H79 projector. I know the projector is fine handling 48Hz as SD material is perfectly smooth from the VP50 (as it was with VP30). Also, the judder test pattern at 48Hz is beautifully smooth as well. The problem is only apparent with HD-DVD material.

It seems to happen briefly maybe every other minute on all disks I've tried so far and seems to occur more frequently on scene changes, so I'm wondering if cadence is being lost?

It's reproducible as well. For example Batman Begins HD-DVD, at 10min 30secs into the movie where the young Bruce Wayne is being carried up the steps by his father towards the mansion. During the walk up the steps and in particular as they approach the maid standing on the right hand side, the image appears to just perceptually judder on a number of occasions. The SD version of this scene at 48Hz is perfectly smooth.

I've tried version 1.00 and 1.01 firmware and all de-interlacing modes but it's stubbornly there whatever I try. It's not the feed from the Xbox360, as far as I can tell, as I can set the VP50's outgoing framerate to 60Hz and this specific judder problem disappears.

Anybody encountered anything like this or could give the scene described above a try ?

Allan

Hi Allan,

Its exactly the same for me.

But I've read in a french magazine, a test about the Hd-DVD 360.
And they talked about some aleatory lags.

So the best thing for be sure would be to compare with a Toshiba player.
I'll try when i could.

Also, could you tell me if your configuration is the same ?

1)The 360 output 1080I to the VP50
2) The VP50 ouput 1080i60, with the frame rate 60hz=>lock 48hz

But when I do that, the picture is completely shift to the right

Is this the same for you ?

PS : I'm still with the firmware 1.00, and I have no audio drops

Rony,

Thanks for that. Looks like I'm not completely mad afterall. I have a friend with a Toshiba A1 HD-DVD player so I'll see if I can take the VP50 around to his place and try a few disks there.

OK, my configuration:

1 - Same as me, Xbox is set for 1080i which goes via component to the VP50
2 - Different here. I've got the 'Format' setting set to 720p 60Hz (because I have a 720p display here) and the 'Framerate' setting set to 60hz=>lock 48hz

Firmware 1.00 has just finished loading. Off to watch the rest of Constantine now.

Thanks again Rony.

Allan

I just hooked up a PS3 to my VP50 last night. I could not get a picture with the 1080p output from the PS3. I had the Panasonic BD player hooked up before, and it was able to output 1080p properly. I manually set it to 1080i, as I assume the de-interlacer in the VP50 is better (not that I could actually tell a difference).

I wanted to test the PS3 on both outputs, but cannot get the 1080p to work. Any one have any ideas? Does it even make a difference vs 1080i? How does the PS3 generate it's 1080p60 output - is it 1080p24->1080i60->1080p60 like the Sammy/Panasonic?

1080p from the PS3 works fine on the VP50 with the beta firmware. Hold down the PS3 power button for 5 seconds when you're turning it on, until you hear it beep. This is how you auto-sync the HDMI.

Well I just installed the beta v1.01. I can't get the PS3 to output 1080P anymore and I also get a bunch of jaggies on things when before everything was smooth. I'm going to have to go back to v1.00!

Nope. It definitely won't take 1080P from the PS3 anymore. I got it to output 1080i and lower but 1080P gives me a blank screen from the VP50.

I also noticed with firmware 1.01 that the menus were very slow. I just reverted back to v1.00 and now everything looks excellent again and the VP50 is accepting 1080P from the PS3. The menus are also back the normal speed which was fast.
What would cause the VP50 to not accept 1080P from the PS3 with the newer firmware.

Nope. It definitely won't take 1080P from the PS3 anymore. I got it to output 1080i and lower but 1080P gives me a blank screen from the VP50.
This is a picture of my 1.01 VP50 firmware displaying a 1080p signal from my PS3. Not sure what's gone wrong for you, but it has worked perfectly for me ever since I updated my VP50's firmware.

Do you have the latest FW on your PS3 as well? That could be an issue if you're still running day-1 firmware.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7776/ps3vp501080ppp0.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ps3vp501080ppp0.jpg)

I also noticed with firmware 1.01 that the menus were very slow. I just reverted back to v1.00 and now everything looks excellent again and the VP50 is accepting 1080P from the PS3. The menus are also back the normal speed which was fast.
What would cause the VP50 to not accept 1080P from the PS3 with the newer firmware.

Looks like you got the same menu and PS3 1080P issues I had with the 1.01 firmware. At least I know I am not crazy.

By the way, did you have problems with the information screen during the period you were running 1.01?

This is a picture of my 1.01 VP50 firmware displaying a 1080p signal from my PS3. Not sure what's gone wrong for you, but it has worked perfectly for me ever since I updated my VP50's firmware.

Do you have the latest FW on your PS3 as well? That could be an issue if you're still running day-1 firmware.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7776/ps3vp501080ppp0.th.jpg (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ps3vp501080ppp0.jpg)

It looks like have the PS3 set to RGB output or is that always RGB in the menus? I have mine set for auto colorspace and I also have the VP50 outputting 1080i. I don't know if the colorspace has anything to do with it or not but I know it doesn't work for me. I have the lastest PS3 firmware, v1.32. It works with the VP50 on v1.00 but not v1.01 for me.

I also just realized you had a game in the PS3. I never tried it with a game, only the menus and a couple of BD movies since that is what I use it for 99% of the time. I do have a rental of Resistance, I guess I should have tried that but either way it the BD movies and menu didn't work for me at 1080P like it does with VP50 v1.00 firmware.

Looks like you got the same menu and PS3 1080P issues I had with the 1.01 firmware. At least I know I am not crazy.

By the way, did you have problems with the information screen during the period you were running 1.01?
No. I didn't have any problems with the info screen on other inputs. I couldn't see it on the PS3 input though since there was no picture and the VP50 didn't see any input signal.

Hallo and Merry Christmas to everybody.

Sorry but I can't afford reading all the 95 pages of this thread.

I have problems with my VP50 on audio from HDMI inputs : either the audio is intermittent or does'nt pass the Dolby Digital but only stereo.
I have upgraded to fw 1.01 without any difference.
The sources involved are a Sky HD and an Humax 2000 HD decoders.

Probably this issue has been already discussed : can anybody inform ?

Thanks in advance

Victor from Italy

Hallo and Merry Christmas to everybody.

Sorry but I can't afford reading all the 95 pages of this thread.

I have problems with my VP50 on audio from HDMI inputs : either the audio is intermittent or does'nt pass the Dolby Digital but only stereo.
I have upgraded to fw 1.01 without any difference.
The sources involved are a Sky HD and an Humax 2000 HD decoders.

Probably this issue has been already discussed : can anybody inform ?

Thanks in advance

Victor from Italy

Hi Victor,

Although there have been problems with hdmi audio drop outs in the VP50 (although most people have reported them fixed with 1.01 fw) I think your problem lies with you decoders! I know for a fact that there have been audio problems with the Humax (I have the same model). Try in the AVForums for Humax HDCI 2000 at http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353569 . People there have reported similar problems that most were fixed with an update in the firmware of the decoder. Not sure about the SKY HD but could be the same (ie a fw issue).

Then you can come back and tell us if you are still experiencing the same audio problems which could of-course be a VP50 issue ;)

Merry Christmas to you too :)

Regards,

kopa13

Re: xbox 360 HD-DVD and Judder.

Well found out that in my set up it was not judder after all. More deinterlacing (dropped frames) caused by USER ERROR. When playing games I'd vet the vp50 to game mode. Turns out deinterlacing options do not save to the profiles. So though I was changing profiles my deinterlacing was still set to game mode. Changed back to film bias and no more stutters. So 1080i from the x360 Hd-dvd to the vp50 and 1080p 48Hz out is now flawless. Awesome picture. No judder. Bummer that the deinterlacing options are not saving (or not able to be saved).

aaronwt - you were using HDMI, weren't you - for the PS3 input? since component for me tops out at 1080i/720p. Maybe I don't want to upgrade the PS3 firmware - since I'm having no problem with 1080p from PS3 using DVDO beta firmware. I did get the blinking blue light issue, but that was hdcp problem. Once I got a stripper involved (mecahnical, not human) it worked fine.

Could it be an issue of what you are connecting the VP to? I have heard/read that the PS3 will only output at your display/s max res. Do NOT know if that is correct, but has been suggested other places - is that a possibility? My DVI adapters both send EDID of 1080p - perhaps that is why I have no problem.

(Course, don't you have a Ruby? - that shouldn't be a problem. Who knows.)

aaronwt - you were using HDMI, weren't you - for the PS3 input? since component for me tops out at 1080i/720p. Maybe I don't want to upgrade the PS3 firmware - since I'm having no problem with 1080p from PS3 using DVDO beta firmware. I did get the blinking blue light issue, but that was hdcp problem. Once I got a stripper involved (mecahnical, not human) it worked fine.

Could it be an issue of what you are connecting the VP to? I have heard/read that the PS3 will only output at your display/s max res. Do NOT know if that is correct, but has been suggested other places - is that a possibility? My DVI adapters both send EDID of 1080p - perhaps that is why I have no problem.

(Course, don't you have a Ruby? - that shouldn't be a problem. Who knows.)

I have an HLR series Samsung which only accepts 1080i max over HDMI. I guess it could be the Sony software that caused the problem, I don't know. I just know that PS3 v1.32 works with VP50v1.00 and it doesn't work with v1.01 for me. The picture from the PS3 is much better if I output 1080P to the VP50 and let the VP50 interlace it than if I let the PS3 interlace it. So for now I'll stick with v1.00 with the VP50 since it doesn't cause any other problems with my setup.

I have an HLR series Samsung which only accepts 1080i max over HDMI. I guess it could be the Sony software that caused the problem, I don't know. I just know that PS3 v1.32 works with VP50v1.00 and it doesn't work with v1.01 for me. The picture from the PS3 is much better if I output 1080P to the VP50 and let the VP50 interlace it than if I let the PS3 interlace it. So for now I'll stick with v1.00 with the VP50 since it doesn't cause any other problems with my setup.

Bizarre - I could see the PS3 firmware tightening things up, but you'd think that the VP firmware would be transparent to the problem. Well, just in case, I'll stick with the old PS3 software, since that isn't causing me any problems, and so far, (knock wood) I haven't heard a dropout with the beta. Gotta admit, really strange that fixing one problem would cause 2 or 3 unrelated ones....

Hallo and Merry Christmas to everybody.

Sorry but I can't afford reading all the 95 pages of this thread.

I have problems with my VP50 on audio from HDMI inputs : either the audio is intermittent or does'nt pass the Dolby Digital but only stereo.
I have upgraded to fw 1.01 without any difference.
The sources involved are a Sky HD and an Humax 2000 HD decoders.

Probably this issue has been already discussed : can anybody inform ?

Thanks in advance

Victor from Italy

The SkyHD box definatly only outputs stereo via HDMI, no matter what it's connected to. You must use the Optical Toslink output and set the menu to Dolby Digital to get 5.1 from SkyHD. Again this is probably firmware as I can't see any reason hardware wise why it only does this. However Sky say it's a feature as all there boxes use toslink for 5.1 and the added HDMI on the SkyHD box is just for going into your display (narrow minded of them but hey it's Sky! :rolleyes: ).

aaronwt - you were using HDMI, weren't you - for the PS3 input? since component for me tops out at 1080i/720p. Maybe I don't want to upgrade the PS3 firmware - since I'm having no problem with 1080p from PS3 using DVDO beta firmware. I did get the blinking blue light issue, but that was hdcp problem. Once I got a stripper involved (mecahnical, not human) it worked fine.

Could it be an issue of what you are connecting the VP to? I have heard/read that the PS3 will only output at your display/s max res. Do NOT know if that is correct, but has been suggested other places - is that a possibility? My DVI adapters both send EDID of 1080p - perhaps that is why I have no problem.

(Course, don't you have a Ruby? - that shouldn't be a problem. Who knows.)

Just wondering if anyone else has tried 1080p24 from the VP50 to the Sony Pearl? I gave it a quick go and it seemed to work fine and unlike 1080p48 the Pearl info screen actually reconised it was 1080p24 and not 1080p50 like I got with 48Hz (only difference I saw while testing for five mins was that video based 60Hz stuff looked watchable at 48p instead of messed up at 24p).

is there a tool to read out the VP50 configuration and store it?

are there anykind of tools for the vp50 out ? :confused:

all of course for windows systems :-) :p

www.the-gordons.net Seek and ye shall find

www.the-gordons.net Seek and ye shall find

Hi Barry,

The url you gave does not work. Is the site down for maintainance etc? or is there a typo ;)

Thanks & regards,

kopa13

I haven't found anything there and I definitely sought to...

I haven't found anything there and I definitely sought to...

No Typo - It is BROKEN or Down for the Holidays.

aaronwt - a followup and a question; upgraded PS3 to 1.32, still no problem with 1080p into VP50 via hdmi, with beta software in VP50.

but to go OT - how do you set framerate with the PS3 - I could only find max res - all available HD res up to 1080p, but I saw no place to select 1080p24. If there is a way, thanks.

The output is 1080P60. there isn't a way to change it . Maybe in the future.
I wonder why I have a problem with the PS3 at 1080P while some other people don't?

The output is 1080P60. there isn't a way to change it . Maybe in the future.

oh - ok. I figured since you were asking, that it was possible. I had looked all over, and couldn't find the option - now I know why. :)

I wonder why I have a problem with the PS3 at 1080P while some other people don't?

Karma? After all, you were the one who always followed my audio dropout posts with a "I have never had a dropout" disclaimer. :p - 3 consecutive hours, with no audio dropouts - maybe the firmware has fixed the bug (for me.) But you know, this really is a quirky little unit. To put it politely.

oh - ok. I figured since you were asking, that it was possible. I had looked all over, and couldn't find the option - now I know why. :)



Karma? After all, you were the one who always followed my audio dropout posts with a "I have never had a dropout" disclaimer. :p - 3 consecutive hours, with no audio dropouts - maybe the firmware has fixed the bug (for me.) But you know, this really is a quirky little unit. To put it politely.
:D :D :D

I want to thank kopa13 and ailean for the useful replies : I could'nt do it before due to computer problems.
Hope you and all the forumers have had a very Happy Xmas.

Victor
Italy

are there anykind of tools for the vp50 out ? :confused:

all of course for windows systems :-) :p


CalMAN has direct support for the patterns built into the VP30 and VP50 for automated control of display calibration.

To all those trying to reach www.the-gordons.net

Mea Culpa. It seems my domain registrar forgot to check the auto renew flag and there was no domain for three days. All is well now and the domain name is once again registered and alive. Just try again and all will be well.

I am new to this thread, so I hope I'm not rehashing what has gone on before. My new HT will include a PS3 (currently running v1.32) & DVDO VP50 (currently updated to the Beta 1.01 version) as well as a Pioneer LD/DVD player and DirecTV HD DVR all linked to a Sony Pearl (VPL-VW50) via HDMI. I've spoken with tech support at DVDO who told me that I was best off sending (for example) SD DVD & LD content to the DVDO at 480i to be internally processed and scaled to 1080p for the Pearl. I've now read several postings on this thread which relate to potential problems between the PS3 and VP50 given current firmware versions. I had been hoping to send a bypassed 1080p signal from the PS3 to the Pearl, but I'm told that the VP50 cannot pass through 1080p at this time. Given all this, should I downscale the ouput from the PS3 to the VP50 from 1080p to 1080i, then let the VP50 upscale BD movie and PS3 game content to 1080p??? Would this avoid the problems that others have described here, or would that be defeating the "beauty" of "native" 1080p PS3 content which the Pearl supports, even if additionally procesed by the VP50? Lastly, in which piece of equipment would I best to set parameters for 1080p @ 24fps to the Pearl? Would that frame rate be widely accepted as the most solid for viewing? Thanks for any help this forum can provide!

I am new to this thread, so I hope I'm not rehashing what has gone on before. My new HT will include a PS3 (currently running v1.32) & DVDO VP50 (currently updated to the Beta 1.01 version) as well as a Pioneer LD/DVD player and DirecTV HD DVR all linked to a Sony Pearl (VPL-VW50) via HDMI. I've spoken with tech support at DVDO who told me that I was best off sending (for example) SD DVD & LD content to the DVDO at 480i to be internally processed and scaled to 1080p for the Pearl. I've now read several postings on this thread which relate to potential problems between the PS3 and VP50 given current firmware versions. I had been hoping to send a bypassed 1080p signal from the PS3 to the Pearl, but I'm told that the VP50 cannot pass through 1080p at this time. Given all this, should I downscale the ouput from the PS3 to the VP50 from 1080p to 1080i, then let the VP50 upscale BD movie and PS3 game content to 1080p??? Would this avoid the problems that others have described here, or would that be defeating the "beauty" of "native" 1080p PS3 content which the Pearl supports, even if additionally procesed by the VP50? Lastly, in which piece of equipment would I best to set parameters for 1080p @ 24fps to the Pearl? Would that frame rate be widely accepted as the most solid for viewing? Thanks for any help this forum can provide!

I've not got a PS3 yet but you should be okay with 1080i from that to the VP50, at least for movies. As to 1080p24 to the Pearl, in the couple of tests I've done it seems you get a more stable picture if you output 1080p48 from the VP50 to the Pearl. Again this is for movies (NTSC/HD sourced) and for Video and Game sources you probably want 1080p60 to the Pearl (unless they are PAL based in which case 1080p50).

I think PAL PS3 games whenever they come out (I don't think he's talking about any other console than the PS3 if I'm reading it right) will also be 60Hz, rather than 50.

Re: xbox 360 HD-DVD and Judder.

Well found out that in my set up it was not judder after all. More deinterlacing (dropped frames) caused by USER ERROR. When playing games I'd vet the vp50 to game mode. Turns out deinterlacing options do not save to the profiles. So though I was changing profiles my deinterlacing was still set to game mode. Changed back to film bias and no more stutters. So 1080i from the x360 Hd-dvd to the vp50 and 1080p 48Hz out is now flawless. Awesome picture. No judder. Bummer that the deinterlacing options are not saving (or not able to be saved).

The deinterlacing options are certainly saved (as you found out), but they are specific to an input/framerate so get saved there, not to a display output profile. Not much you can do about this, you'll always want to change deinterlacing mode and display profile when switching between movies & games on the 360.

As for what you found, I'd already changed those things and I still get odd stutter. Doesn't bother me too much as it's rare but a couple of good examples in T3 last night. One where there's a cut to the huge yellow crane vehicle coming round a corner & it skips a bit and another where there's a cut in the graveyard as the nasty robot woman approaches John Connor's woman and it cuts to the vetmobile racing in and that skips a bit too.

I have problems with my VP50 on audio from HDMI inputs : either the audio is intermittent or does'nt pass the Dolby Digital but only stereo.
I have upgraded to fw 1.01 without any difference.
The sources involved are a Sky HD and an Humax 2000 HD decoders.

Probably this issue has been already discussed : can anybody inform ?

I've been having a somewhat similar audio problem with my VP50 recently, with the following digital audio signal path (one of two problems with that path, actually):

Oppo 970HD -> HDMI -> VP50 -> S/PDIF coax -> old Pioneer receiver

All of a sudden, while all of the components are already on and playing fine, I lose DD bitstream audio from the Oppo over HDMI. When this happens, I can still get DD bitstream from the Oppo's coax and Toslink S/PDIF outputs, and if I configure the Oppo to output PCM instead of the raw DD bitstream, it works over HDMI through the VP50 as well. After this happens, the only way that I've been able to get the DD over HDMI working again is to disconnect power from the VP50 momentarily. But then it might stop working again sooner or later (sometimes only a few minutes later). What's really perplexing me is that this never happened before the night of 12/16, but I had been using the exact same configuration for several weeks before then without this problem happening at all.

I had been waiting to get around to trying the beta 1.01 firmware before reporting this-- sorry to hear that that upgrade didn't help for you. I had still been using 1.00 because I was concerned about some of the UI regressions that have been reported with the beta version, and I hadn't previously had a compelling reason to try it. (I haven't been badly affected by the typically-affected audio dropouts with my VP30 or VP50-- well, on my first night with the VP30, there were three audio dropouts, so I was worried at first, but since then there has just seemed to be one every few weeks on average.) I intend to try the beta 1.01 firmware very soon.

-- Peter

Hi Peter!

From our italian AV forum it seems that the fault in non passsing DD through HDMI is due to the Skybox HD decoder itself, while regarding the audio dropouts ( which I have on HDMI and also on other audio inputs as well ) it's clearly a bug already reported to italian resailer.
Anyway I will stay with 1.01 because the PreP feature imo works quite well, hoping that soon DVDO will release a new firmware which fixes definitely the audio problems.

I finally upgraded to the beta 1.01 today but still have the audio problem that I described on the last page: that raw DD bitstream (but not PCM) audio over HDMI from my Oppo 970HD just stops working all of a sudden, and it doesn't work again until I power cycle the VP50. I'm still puzzled about why this problem started happening (and happening frequently) a week or so ago when nothing else in my configuration had changed since several weeks before then.

The 1.01 upgrade has seemed to fix another digital audio problem that I had been experiencing since upgrading my projector (to a Sony VPL-VW50) in November (not that this display should affect the audio, but I suspect that there was some HDMI issue permeating the system, argh). I had been getting continuous rapid audio dropouts (like a half second dropout every second) on my Oppo's audio when I would switch from a DVD's menu to starting to play the movie, and I would have to switch sources back and forth to make the dropouts go away. Needless to say, that was getting annoying, and very strange because it never happened with my old projector (NEC HT1000) and everything else the same-- but it doesn't seem to happen anymore with the 1.01 beta.

-- Peter

Hi Victor,

Although there have been problems with hdmi audio drop outs in the VP50 (although most people have reported them fixed with 1.01 fw) I think your problem lies with you decoders! I know for a fact that there have been audio problems with the Humax (I have the same model). Try in the AVForums for Humax HDCI 2000 at http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353569 . People there have reported similar problems that most were fixed with an update in the firmware of the decoder. Not sure about the SKY HD but could be the same (ie a fw issue).

Then you can come back and tell us if you are still experiencing the same audio problems which could of-course be a VP50 issue ;)

Merry Christmas to you too :)

Regards,

kopa13

S/PDIF does not carry a separate clock signal so the clock must be recovered from the data stream via a phase locked loop (PLL). This is tricky business and jitter (irregularities in the clock signal at the source) can make it even more difficult. Apparently the DVDO mini-dropout problem was mainly caused by poor clock recovery on jittery sources. DVDO rewrote their PLL code to handle jittery sources better, though the problem could just as well be fixed at the source by reducing jitter in the outgoing S/PDIF signal.

So, I think you're correct that the problem originates at the source, but DVDO seemed to be having problems with a large number of mainstream sources that weren't tripping up most receivers, so iI think it was more a DVDO issue than a source issue.

- Collin

collinp, pulled the plug on the VP50 a week or so ago and the native output/S3 problem is gone, I can run native output again and not lose the signal when it switches between resolutions...weird.

I'm having an ongoing problem with my VP50 that I'm hoping someone else may have encountered and found a solution to. I have run a lot of searches on this thread and haven't found an answer, so hopefully this is not a redundant question.

The VP50 does not seem to be syncing well with my cable box (Motorola DCT5100) from comcast. This STB does not have HDMI so I'm using component to connect to the VP50. The performance has been eratic. It will work fine for a while and then all of the sudden I get a blue screen. I've tried switching to other inputs and switching back. Turning the cable box and/or the VP50 off and then back on--nothing seems to work. It also does not seem to matter whether I'm viewing a SD or HD station at the time. When it is working everything looks great, but then it will drop out. After a while, it will magically come back--this is also erractic.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

collinp, pulled the plug on the VP50 a week or so ago and the native output/S3 problem is gone, I can run native output again and not lose the signal when it switches between resolutions...weird.

Weird. I've noticed that the DVDO products benefit from an occasional reboot (pull AC and reattach). A menu or front panel method for doing a real reboot would be nice.

Glad you can run NR again it's a nice feature in conjunction with the VP50.

- Collin

Greetings,

I have a VP-50 (beta 1.01) outputting audio (optical out) to a Citation 5.0 system and video to a Sony Vpl-VW5 (HDMI). The VP-50 is not passing DD/DTS from my PS3 (1.32) for games ONLY via HDMI using optical out to my Citation...I get only Prologic, tried many configurations. Standard DVD's and Blu-Ray it passes DD...WEIRD! But when I connect an optical cable from PS3 directly to my Citation I get DD for games and all movies...totally weird!.....Additionally, when I play a Blu-Ray disk I have to put the VP-50 in standby and back on for it to display (This is new to 1.01) going back to 1.00. Menus are slow in 1.01 too.....All this money and nothing seems to play nice together......Audio is generally a mess and I think it's all an issue with the VP-50.

Weird. I've noticed that the DVDO products benefit from an occasional reboot (pull AC and reattach). A menu or front panel method for doing a real reboot would be nice.

Glad you can run NR again it's a nice feature in conjunction with the VP50.

- Collin
Yes, it is weird for sure. I have had my #3 HDMI input go dark on me on occaison and a power boot fixes it, this is only when switching to the input from another, once it's working it's fine.

The menu boot selection would be nice.

I have also partly posted this issue in another thread but am updating my problem and posting here in the hope of getting DVDO's attention.

My system configuration is as follows -

Panasonic Blu Ray Player output set at 1080p

IScan VP50 1.01 firmware

Panasonic AX-100 1280 x 720 projector

Constant image height setup with a Prismasonic Anamorphic lens

2.35:1 screen

Problem is as follows -

IScan output set to 1080p 24
framerate 60Hz - 24 locked
Aspect Screen 2.35:1 Display 2.35:1

Input aspect Frame 16:9 Active 2.35:1

The projector info states 1080p 24 is being input. The judder test pattern is stable.


This configuration effectively removes the judder otherwise seen. Good so far!

BUT - there are about every 10 minutes or so episodes of image tearing and instability in the lower segment of the image (about the lower 20 %).

This _can_ be corrected by pausing and restarting DVD output.


It _cannot_ be resolved by turning the IScan off and on or freezing the projector input. PREP off or on makes no difference.

Update - when I set the framerate to 60Hz - 48Hz locked (still the same 1080p-24 output) the tearing problem is resolved. There are however liitle jumps in the image and the judder test pattern every 20 seconds or so. The judder test pattern is otherwise smooth.

DVDO states that beta Firmware 1.01 corrects 24Hz output timings.

I even went back to the original firmware but this made things much worse at 1080p-24.

Is the above problem an indication of the need for further firmware changes(others are having it also see

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774815



The ability to framerate convert and eliminate judder was my main reason for buying the IScan.

Any feedback from DVDO would be much appreciated.

I hope someone can help me with this, but I am trying to hook up my HD-XA1 to my VP50.

My VP50 is outputting via RGBHV to VGA input on my Panny 7 Series plasma (outputting at 852x480 resolution). I have hooked up the HD-XA1 to the VP50 via component. I get a picture when the HD-DVD player outputs 480i, but as soon as I select 720P or 1080i I loose the picture and the plasma says no signal. What am I doing wrong? Oh, and VGA is the only input into my plasma.

Just for clarity, I have hooked up the HD-XA1 to my Dad's plasma via HDMI and it works fine at 1080i.

Any suggestions? :(

I have also partly posted this issue in another thread but am updating my problem and posting here in the hope of getting DVDO's attention.

My system configuration is as follows -

Panasonic Blu Ray Player output set at 1080p

IScan VP50 1.01 firmware

Panasonic AX-100 1280 x 720 projector

Constant image height setup with a Prismasonic Anamorphic lens

2.35:1 screen

Problem is as follows -

IScan output set to 1080p 24
framerate 60Hz - 24 locked
Aspect Screen 2.35:1 Display 2.35:1

Input aspect Frame 16:9 Active 2.35:1

The projector info states 1080p 24 is being input. The judder test pattern is stable.


This configuration effectively removes the judder otherwise seen. Good so far!

BUT - there are about every 10 minutes or so episodes of image tearing and instability in the lower segment of the image (about the lower 20 %).

This _can_ be corrected by pausing and restarting DVD output.


It _cannot_ be resolved by turning the IScan off and on or freezing the projector input. PREP off or on makes no difference.

Update - when I set the framerate to 60Hz - 48Hz locked (still the same 1080p-24 output) the tearing problem is resolved. There are however liitle jumps in the image and the judder test pattern every 20 seconds or so. The judder test pattern is otherwise smooth.

DVDO states that beta Firmware 1.01 corrects 24Hz output timings.

I even went back to the original firmware but this made things much worse at 1080p-24.

Is the above problem an indication of the need for further firmware changes(others are having it also see

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774815



The ability to framerate convert and eliminate judder was my main reason for buying the IScan.

Any feedback from DVDO would be much appreciated.

Craig,

Have you tried sending 1080i 60 from the blue Ray (let the VP50 do the deinterlacing... should be the same) and send 720p to the projector, since the projector has a native resolution of 720p?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that most BR players (and HD DVD v1 also) actually convert 1080p 24 to 1080i 60 and then outputs 1080p 60 (its not 1080p 24 passthrough directly from the disc) ... the deinterlacer may not be as good as the DVDO VP50 ..... I'm not sure if the panasonic does that also or not .....

If you haven't tried this yet, it may actually improve the picture and get rid of most of the judder....

I hope someone can help me with this, but I am trying to hook up my HD-XA1 to my VP50.

My VP50 is outputting via RGBHV to VGA input on my Panny 7 Series plasma (outputting at 852x480 resolution). I have hooked up the HD-XA1 to the VP50 via component. I get a picture when the HD-DVD player outputs 480i, but as soon as I select 720P or 1080i I loose the picture and the plasma says no signal. What am I doing wrong? Oh, and VGA is the only input into my plasma.

Just for clarity, I have hooked up the HD-XA1 to my Dad's plasma via HDMI and it works fine at 1080i.

Any suggestions? :(

Were you playing an HD DVD or an SD DVD? The HD DVD players won't upconvert an SD DVD over component, only HDMI.

Were you playing an HD DVD or an SD DVD? The HD DVD players won't upconvert an SD DVD over component, only HDMI.

It was with an HD-DVD (I tried both Serenity and Superman Returns).

I hope someone can help me with this, but I am trying to hook up my HD-XA1 to my VP50.

My VP50 is outputting via RGBHV to VGA input on my Panny 7 Series plasma (outputting at 852x480 resolution). I have hooked up the HD-XA1 to the VP50 via component. I get a picture when the HD-DVD player outputs 480i, but as soon as I select 720P or 1080i I loose the picture and the plasma says no signal. What am I doing wrong? Oh, and VGA is the only input into my plasma.

Just for clarity, I have hooked up the HD-XA1 to my Dad's plasma via HDMI and it works fine at 1080i.

Any suggestions? :(

I think you've come across the same bug as me, I'm sorry to say. There is an acknowledged problem with the VP50 with both 1.00 and 1.01 where the output over analogue (haven't tried digital) doesn't set the refresh rates correctly when changing from HD inputs to 852*480 output. This is specific to 852*480. To test it, change the output rez to something else - e.g. 720p - which the screen can then scale. On my Pana, that then works fine - but of course it means no Native Rez. I can input SD signals fine and output them at NR, but with HD signals I have to output none-NR. If you do have this, please contact Aaron in DVDO support. This problem was due to be fixed in 1.01, but missed the cut. I'm pretty annoyed about it, since the reason I upgraded from VP30 to VP50 was HD processing, which now doesn't work properly.

I think you've come across the same bug as me, I'm sorry to say. There is an acknowledged problem with the VP50 with both 1.00 and 1.01 where the output over analogue (haven't tried digital) doesn't set the refresh rates correctly when changing from HD inputs to 852*480 output. This is specific to 852*480. To test it, change the output rez to something else - e.g. 720p - which the screen can then scale. On my Pana, that then works fine - but of course it means no Native Rez. I can input SD signals fine and output them at NR, but with HD signals I have to output none-NR. If you do have this, please contact Aaron in DVDO support. This problem was due to be fixed in 1.01, but missed the cut. I'm pretty annoyed about it, since the reason I upgraded from VP30 to VP50 was HD processing, which now doesn't work properly.

Thanks for the advice Pete, unfortunately I'm still not getting anything on any output resolution other than 480i (from the HD-DVD player). I've tried various output resolutions on the VP50 but I'm still not getting a picture :(

I'm having an ongoing problem with my VP50 that I'm hoping someone else may have encountered and found a solution to. I have run a lot of searches on this thread and haven't found an answer, so hopefully this is not a redundant question.

The VP50 does not seem to be syncing well with my cable box (Motorola DCT5100) from comcast. This STB does not have HDMI so I'm using component to connect to the VP50. The performance has been eratic. It will work fine for a while and then all of the sudden I get a blue screen. I've tried switching to other inputs and switching back. Turning the cable box and/or the VP50 off and then back on--nothing seems to work. It also does not seem to matter whether I'm viewing a SD or HD station at the time. When it is working everything looks great, but then it will drop out. After a while, it will magically come back--this is also erractic.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
Which input is it plugged into?

I am currently experiencing a rather bothersome problem with my HDMI inputs to the VP50. Switching to either of my 2 HDMI inputs (HD Tivo and Zensonic Z500) results in a curtain-like effect. I briefly see the image from my input device displayed, and then gray/black curtains sweep in from the left and right until the screen is just black. Switching to another HDMI input results in the curtains sweeping back to briefly reveal the image from the input device, followed immediately by the curtains closing again. Analog inputs are fine, and I can still pull up the VP50 menus when the curtains are closed and the screen is black on HDMI inputs...so I am confident it is not a display device issue.

I had this happen once before, and I think it just went away on its own after some random switching between inputs and pulling the VP50 power and rebooting, but now it is being a bit more persistent (or maybe I am not reproducing the random acts which fixed it in the past)

Has anyone else seen this? Hoping I am missing something obvious here...

Thanks! -Pat

Craig,

Have you tried sending 1080i 60 from the blue Ray (let the VP50 do the deinterlacing... should be the same) and send 720p to the projector, since the projector has a native resolution of 720p?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that most BR players (and HD DVD v1 also) actually convert 1080p 24 to 1080i 60 and then outputs 1080p 60 (its not 1080p 24 passthrough directly from the disc) ... the deinterlacer may not be as good as the DVDO VP50 ..... I'm not sure if the panasonic does that also or not .....

If you haven't tried this yet, it may actually improve the picture and get rid of most of the judder....

That is not quite what I am trying to achieve. I am trying to output a stable 1080p-24 signal to be fed into the PJ. This is in order to eliminate the 3:2 pulldown steps inherent in a 60Hz signal. The first Blu-ray and HD DVD players output 60Hz signals. The very latest (Pioneer and Sony) also have "source direct outputs at 1080p-24Hz).
I know of projectors able to accept 1080p-24 signals (eg Panasonic AX-100, Sony Pearl). I do not know of any able to accept 720p-24Hz without the PJ again doing a framerate conversion to display it at 60HZ (defeating the purpose and reintroducing judder).

I am also hoping that Panasonic will release a firmware update to enable its otherwise excellent Ist generation Blu Ray player to output 1080p-24 directly.

results in a curtain-like effect. .

Thanks! -Pat

Curtain means HDCP Handshake is FAILING.

That is not quite what I am trying to achieve. I am trying to output a stable 1080p-24 signal to be fed into the PJ. This is in order to eliminate the 3:2 pulldown steps inherent in a 60Hz signal. The first Blu-ray and HD DVD players output 60Hz signals. The very latest (Pioneer and Sony) also have "source direct outputs at 1080p-24Hz).
I know of projectors able to accept 1080p-24 signals (eg Panasonic AX-100, Sony Pearl). I do not know of any able to accept 720p-24Hz without the PJ again doing a framerate conversion to display it at 60HZ (defeating the purpose and reintroducing judder).

I am also hoping that Panasonic will release a firmware update to enable its otherwise excellent Ist generation Blu Ray player to output 1080p-24 directly.

Good Luck Craig,

Cheers,

Marcelo

I am trying to adjust the colors using the built-in patterns and the supplied VRS pattern disc.

I am using the 7 bar 75% color bars to adjust but can only get the same level on Magenta, Red and Blue.

The Cyan, Yellow, Green is on a different level.

How do i adjust that? is there any way to set each individual color?

I am trying to adjust the colors using the built-in patterns and the supplied VRS pattern disc.

I am using the 7 bar 75% color bars to adjust but can only get the same level on Magenta, Red and Blue.

The Cyan, Yellow, Green is on a different level.

How do i adjust that? is there any way to set each individual color?

EDIT: Oops. My initial post was about VP50 to display balancing, but upon a reread of your post I realize you are talking about DVD to VP50 balancing.

Anyway, your only color control is saturation. The VP50 doesn't have any advanced color balancing controls. It is odd however that your DVD player is sending out an incorrect signal. My DVD player (a Yamaha CX-1 SDI) matches the VP50s internal patterns perfectly with no adjustment needed at all.

What is your source? I wonder if your player has got a color matrix error since it's primarily the green channel that's effected. Check out this article (http://www.gadgetbench.com/colormatrixerrors/index.php) for more info on color matrix errors. General workarounds for color matrix problems are to try different output formats (YCbCr vs RGB) and resolutions (SD vs HD).

- Collin

What is your source? I wonder if your player has got a color matrix error since it's primarily the green channel that's effected. Check out this article (http://www.gadgetbench.com/colormatrixerrors/index.php) for more info on color matrix errors. General workarounds for color matrix problems are to try different output formats (YCbCr vs RGB) and resolutions (SD vs HD).

- Collin

I am using a Sony BDP-S1 player connected with YUV and the VP50 is connected to my Panasonic plasma with RGBHV.

I got this problem with my STB also, but only yellow is the problem there.

Let's just theoretically say I have the means to de-crypt HDCP and output DVI-D (please don't ask). Will the VP50, or for that matter the VP30, take the non-HDCP HDMI input and output the resulting (processed or not) signal as component or RGB-HV?

I ask because I want to use the HDMI input from my Sony Blu-ray and have all the digital only features of the player (1080P 24) and re-time through the processor to 1080p 48. I have a G90 that can certainly handle most of the outputs from the VP50 (excecpt 480i).

My other concern is audio input. The VP50 manual says that HDMI inputs cannot be paired to a different audio input. This seems to make it impossible to use a DVI-D to HDMI cable as an input. Unless I'm incorrect, there is NO audio on a DVI-D output--only video. Certainly there must be some way to route audio around this kind of connection.


-Jim

If the DVD player is putting out real HDMI (Video and audio), then the audio will appear at the toslink out and coaxial out terminals of the VP50. Just send those outputs to your Audio processor. That is what i do as my projector only has a DVI input (no audio).

You can select alternate inputs when using HDMI as the video input to the VP50. In that way you can pick up a toslink or coaxial output from your dvd player along with a DVI signal on an HDMI cable. I also have done that

The problem is, I have to go HDMI (from the Blu-Ray) to DVI-D (into the "theoretical" de-crypting device) then DVI-D to HDMI into the VP50. The audio is stripped off the moment I connect the HDMI-to-DVI-D cable from the DVD. I HAVE to route the audio directly from the coax out of the Blu-Ray into the VP50 but apparently there's no way to select the HDMI input with an alternate audio input.

Am I correct?

Jim

Am I correct?

Jim

No You are WRONG - Barry posted you can match up
any input - like Optical with any HDMI input.

Thanks for the clarification!

This is great to hear as the manual clearly states that this is not possible. Must be incorrect. Like that's never happened before.

From also reading the manual over and over, it does appear that I CAN output RGBHV or component if the HDMI input is NOT HDCP. It appears I have to simply turn OFF HDCP on the input and output of that specific HDMI port.

Now to decide whether I can afford the 50 or go back to the 30.

Thanks again for replying.

Thanks for the clarification!

This is great to hear as the manual clearly states that this is not possible. Must be incorrect. Like that's never happened before..

What the manual states is you CAN NOT Take Audio from a HDMI
channel and assign it somewhere else.

You can take any other [non-HDMI] audio input and assign it ANYWHERE!

drhantkz...

Obviously, right you are.

This is why I don't fix my own car...among other things.

drhantkz...

Obviously, right you are.

This is why I don't fix my own car...among other things.

I'm glad I could help - Jim!

I reinstalled the 1.01 firmware tonight. I figured I would just keep the PS3 at 1080i since it won't accept 1080P from the PS3 with v1.01 on my system.
But I did notice that the VP50 seems to be dropping half the fields with a 1080i signal or when upconverting 720p to 1080i. I have several components that output 1080i. With v1.00 or straight to my TV diagonal lines and circles are very smooth. With v1.01 diagonal lines and circles are very jagged. It reminds me of what the VP30 did when I first got it in Dec2005 with the first firmware.
Is anyone else seeing this? With the VP30 it was corrected fairly quickly. The only solution I see for now is to go back to v1.00 or output 720P from the VP50. I guess this also isn't the best time to try and contact DVDO since I'm sure they are pretty busy getting ready for CES.

Crashing tonite - will check tommorrow. Honestly, with my setup and the VP50, 720p has been looking so good, I haven't gone back to 1080i (which is what I ran almost exclusively with the VP30.) Been meaning to look - will see what there is. Assume you still can't trick the VP into accepting 1080p? :(

Curtain means HDCP Handshake is FAILING.

Thanks Doc. I "fixed" the VP50's failure to successfully negotiate the HDCP handshake by doing a hard reset (pull power and restore while holding menu and exit buttons). Lost all my settings and hope this doesn't become a frequently recurring problem.

There is a major bug in the VP50 software with the PAN function under menu Input Aspect Ratio Control, it doesn't work when input 1080i, it works however with 480/576i.

Someone else must have noticed this?

I reinstalled the 1.01 firmware tonight. I figured I would just keep the PS3 at 1080i since it won't accept 1080P from the PS3 with v1.01 on my system.
But I did notice that the VP50 seems to be dropping half the fields with a 1080i signal or when upconverting 720p to 1080i. I have several components that output 1080i. With v1.00 or straight to my TV diagonal lines and circles are very smooth. With v1.01 diagonal lines and circles are very jagged. It reminds me of what the VP30 did when I first got it in Dec2005 with the first firmware.
Is anyone else seeing this? With the VP30 it was corrected fairly quickly. The only solution I see for now is to go back to v1.00 or output 720P from the VP50. I guess this also isn't the best time to try and contact DVDO since I'm sure they are pretty busy getting ready for CES.

I have the PS3 hooked up to a vp50 via HDMI as well. I had a problem going to v1.01 (sent the vp back to DVDO today) but I was able to get the PS3 to output 1080p on v1.0. I wanted to use 720p on the PS3 but it was unable to view BD over 720p (played BD at 480p), so I stuck with 1080p. When I get the vp50 back, hopefully this won't be an issue. Otherwise, we might have to stick with v1.0.

I reinstalled the 1.01 firmware tonight. I figured I would just keep the PS3 at 1080i since it won't accept 1080P from the PS3 with v1.01 on my system.
But I did notice that the VP50 seems to be dropping half the fields with a 1080i signal or when upconverting 720p to 1080i. I have several components that output 1080i. With v1.00 or straight to my TV diagonal lines and circles are very smooth. With v1.01 diagonal lines and circles are very jagged. It reminds me of what the VP30 did when I first got it in Dec2005 with the first firmware.
Is anyone else seeing this? With the VP30 it was corrected fairly quickly. The only solution I see for now is to go back to v1.00 or output 720P from the VP50. I guess this also isn't the best time to try and contact DVDO since I'm sure they are pretty busy getting ready for CES.

I can't say I have noticed the problem with 1080i on my VP50. I haven't done any specific tests since installing 1.01 firmware but probably would have noticed. I will look more closely when i get home tonight. As for the PS3, I have 1.01 installed and it accepts 1080p from my PS3 just fine. When switching from a bluray movie back to the PS3 main menu or to a game i occasionally get the flashing blue light but just turning power on/off or switching input back and forth on the vp50 fixes it.

I can't say I have noticed the problem with 1080i on my VP50. I haven't done any specific tests since installing 1.01 firmware but probably would have noticed. I will look more closely when i get home tonight. As for the PS3, I have 1.01 installed and it accepts 1080p from my PS3 just fine. When switching from a bluray movie back to the PS3 main menu or to a game i occasionally get the flashing blue light but just turning power on/off or switching input back and forth on the vp50 fixes it.

and fwiw, the blue light may well be an artifact of the PS3 - I've been playing WAY too much PS3, and don't want to kill my crt pj just for games, so I hooked the PS3 to my panel. Whenever I go from a game to PS3 menu, to movie or whatever, if there is a format change - 720p to 1080i or 1080p - I get a blue screen on my lcd set. Just long enough for the PS3 and the panel to resynch. --not relevant to VP, except to point out that the PS3 is sufficiently funky without connecting it to the VP50.

I don't have the time to read all 100 pages of this thread so I am donning my flame retardant suit and asking "does anyone know when the next release of firmware past 1.01 will come out?"

Anyone?

Hi all,

I am using the following system:
SDI output from a Denon 2900 DVD player => ABT SDI input card in the VP50=> HDMI cable => Sanyo 720P projector.

I have updated to the new VP50 beta firmware, and reset to factory default several times. But one problem persists in most of my dvd. For example, "Carnivale" Season 2 and "24" Season 5 that I recently watched.

Problems:

1) I regularly see obvious contour/lines differentiating between different colors and shadow/dark areas. That include skin tone as well as the background (for example, the wall).

2) In some section of the video/movie (for example, the opening roller skater animation in the Video Essential disc), the lower/middle part of the video is shaking up and down. The shaking always occur on the same section of video/movie (not random).

3) In "24", there is also instances where the image is cut off (look like the VP50 is unable to lock to the SDI signal), and then the image comes back again.

There is no such problems with the DVD component input to VP50.

I used the same SDI card input in my previous VP30 unit. I have not seen such issue in VP30, where the transition between different colors and shadow/dark areas are seamless.

To everyone who have similar SDI setup, such as Gary. Any idea what causes this and how can we solve that problems? :confused:

1) I regularly see obvious contour/lines differentiating between different colors and shadow/dark areas. That include skin tone as well as the background (for example, the wall).Does this problem occur no matter which of the output color spaces you select?

Yes, I think so.

Does this problem occur no matter which of the output color spaces you select?

I don't have the time to read all 100 pages of this thread so I am donning my flame retardant suit and asking "does anyone know when the next release of firmware past 1.01 will come out?"

Anyone?

The only final release is still v1.00
v1.01 is still in Beta.

The only final release is still v1.00
v1.01 is still in Beta.

Good point - I was an early adopter - got the AVS deal and I'm still running v1.00 five months later.

Josh had me all excited for new stuff that I'm still waiting for. On the other hand my unit has been trouble-free and doing it's basic job well.

Good point - I was an early adopter - got the AVS deal and I'm still running v1.00 five months later.

Josh had me all excited for new stuff that I'm still waiting for. On the other hand my unit has been trouble-free and doing it's basic job well.

Then probably a good reason to wait for production version, since some are having new problems with the beta. I switched to see if the audio bug was fixed; haven't done much extended viewing, but I think (knock wood) that they may have actually fixed it. Maybe I'll have time over the weekend to get enough viewing done to be sure. But for sure, if yours is already working fine, I wouldn't switch. Not worth the hassle of redoing settings when the final version comes out.

This not going anywhere.

Why haven't DVDO fixed so you can pan without having to use zoom?

It seems in the VP30 thread that many people is looking for this simple feature.

Hi all,

I am using the following system:
SDI output from a Denon 2900 DVD player => ABT SDI input card in the VP50=> HDMI cable => Sanyo 720P projector.

I have updated to the new VP50 beta firmware, and reset to factory default several times. But one problem persists in most of my dvd. For example, "Carnivale" Season 2 and "24" Season 5 that I recently watched.

Problems:

1) I regularly see obvious contour/lines differentiating between different colors and shadow/dark areas. That include skin tone as well as the background (for example, the wall).

2) In some section of the video/movie (for example, the opening roller skater animation in the Video Essential disc), the lower/middle part of the video is shaking up and down. The shaking always occur on the same section of video/movie (not random).

3) In "24", there is also instances where the image is cut off (look like the VP50 is unable to lock to the SDI signal), and then the image comes back again.

There is no such problems with the DVD component input to VP50.

I used the same SDI card input in my previous VP30 unit. I have not seen such issue in VP30, where the transition between different colors and shadow/dark areas are seamless.

To everyone who have similar SDI setup, such as Gary. Any idea what causes this and how can we solve that problems? :confused:

the Denon 2900 is very sweet, with SDI mod, it is up there with the Panasonics

a portion of the image shaking(always the same part) is a SDI mod problem, bad solder joint or grounding issues or a slim slim chance cable related, sorry to hear about your trouble, whoever did the SDI mod needs to look at it, the 2900 is picky with it's clock and ground signal, those 2 connections need care and length is very much a concern

it could also be loader related, the 2900 loader was not the most robust, I have seen some crazy stuff, like the loader affecting the power supply thus bothering the SDI mod

-Gary

I have a friend that just purchased the VP50. He has a Sharp V12K PJ on a 106" screen. Currently, he has a Rotel DVD player using component video into the VP50 (no HDMI or DVI). Will he see a significant improvement if he changes to a DVD player like the Oppo970 using 480i over HDMI?

I am sure someone is using this type of setup. Feedback is appreciated.

He also indicates that he cannot notice any improvement in his HD cable signal compared to before he had the processor. I am suprised that his 1080i signal is not significantly better. His cable connection is via HDMI. Any suggestions or comments?

Hi all,

I am using the following system:
SDI output from a Denon 2900 DVD player => ABT SDI input card in the VP50=> HDMI cable => Sanyo 720P projector.

I have updated to the new VP50 beta firmware, and reset to factory default several times. But one problem persists in most of my dvd. For example, "Carnivale" Season 2 and "24" Season 5 that I recently watched.

Problems:

1) I regularly see obvious contour/lines differentiating between different colors and shadow/dark areas. That include skin tone as well as the background (for example, the wall).

2) In some section of the video/movie (for example, the opening roller skater animation in the Video Essential disc), the lower/middle part of the video is shaking up and down. The shaking always occur on the same section of video/movie (not random).

3) In "24", there is also instances where the image is cut off (look like the VP50 is unable to lock to the SDI signal), and then the image comes back again.

There is no such problems with the DVD component input to VP50.

I used the same SDI card input in my previous VP30 unit. I have not seen such issue in VP30, where the transition between different colors and shadow/dark areas are seamless.

To everyone who have similar SDI setup, such as Gary. Any idea what causes this and how can we solve that problems? :confused:

seasea,

I too have a SDI mod 2900 using a VP50 with SDI input. I do NOT have these problems. I am not sure if this just started happening or if you have been using this setup for some time and then this just started happening.

However, I do recall a person who was using a VP30 with a SDI input was having similar problems, as you know the VP30 and VP50 use the same SDI board, it turned out the resolution for this person was to remove the SDI board in the VP30 and reseat the board and things worked after that.

Hai,

Also using 2900 with sdi and vp50 and no problems, but they indeed have to make sure the clock signal is still ok once they added the mod. jvb and other add extra parts to counter this problem. My 2900 was already changed in that it has multiple powerunits and a new clock but even then the guy who modded it checked the clock signal before/after since its a known point of worry.

Daniel.

Ok (didn't think it warranted a new thread) - how does one switch to 1080p 24 on this puppy - I went to output menu, and the only selectable 1080p output is 1080p 60; the other framerates are grayed out. I'm outputting via HDMI; do I have to go back to analog/RGB output to make this work? Thanks (and sorry to bother)

Gary, I got your panny and vp50 up and running. Right now I am using it a panny 42" plasma. It will be a 720p PJ when the ht is done.

I seem to get a LOWERED picture when using a 2:35 DVD. It presents a great picture but it seems odd that it is not a centered picture. It is horizontally below what it should be....

Thoughts?

Ok (didn't think it warranted a new thread) - how does one switch to 1080p 24 on this puppy - I went to output menu, and the only selectable 1080p output is 1080p 60; the other framerates are grayed out. I'm outputting via HDMI; do I have to go back to analog/RGB output to make this work? Thanks (and sorry to bother)
You can choose 24Hz as the output framerate afaik

anyone?

Gary, I got your panny and vp50 up and running. Right now I am using it a panny 42" plasma. It will be a 720p PJ when the ht is done.

I seem to get a LOWERED picture when using a 2:35 DVD. It presents a great picture but it seems odd that it is not a centered picture. It is horizontally below what it should be....

Thoughts?

Are you running SDI? You need to adjust line offset. 12 is about right on my setup. An overscan test pattern of DVE or Avia will help you center it.

- Collin

Ok (didn't think it warranted a new thread) - how does one switch to 1080p 24 on this puppy - I went to output menu, and the only selectable 1080p output is 1080p 60; the other framerates are grayed out. I'm outputting via HDMI; do I have to go back to analog/RGB output to make this work? Thanks (and sorry to bother)

Presumably you are setup OK with a 720p 60Hz output. Try going into the framerate menu here and alter the menu to output 24HZ when in the input is 24 Hz. I think that will then enable 1080p 24 and it will no longer be greyed out. I am not at home now and am doing this from memory but let me know if you have any problems.

I think there is a problem with the 1.01 firmware relating to 1080p 24 however. I have detailed this higher up in the thread and am waiting a reply from DVDO.

www.cine4home.de (in German, try the babelfish translation) has also gone into great detail about the use of 1080p 24 as a means of removing the judder inherent in the 3:2 pulldown process. They also report instability which can be corected by pausing and restarting DVD output suggesting a loss of synch by the VP50.

I urge all here who have been used to NTSC and its inherent judder and who own a VP50 and have a 1080p 24 capable display to try it out. You will see what you have been missing. A more fluid motion.

Also please report any image instability issues here and to DVDO.

I am running SDI. It makes the whole image disappear when I go past 9....

Here are the relevant parts from cine4home


We started with the 24Hz expenditure: The processor recognizes the filmmaterial in fractions of seconds and accomplishes an adequate De-Interlacing. At the same time it changes the disturbing Ruckeln on 24Hz, reliably disappeared. It is already a satisfaction to admire HDTV in full quality without restrictions on the canvas. Who got accustomed only once to the liquid Bewegungsabflaeufe of the 24Hz rendition, the 60Hz Ruckel variant appears increasing unreasonable. But where light is, is also shade: With our test occurred it again and again once that the Scaler lost its Rhytmus, disturbing Ruckeln was the result. Remedy creates a short Pausieren of the film, thus the Scaler synchronizes again and the picture runs again liquid. It is annoying nevertheless to pausieren a film until twice. Easy weaknesses showed up also with fast picture changes: Particularly when flashing, e.g. with thunderstorm scenes, here and there fast a cinema picture was jumped over, which makes itself visible in a short Ruckeln. We went over to 48Hz, here remain the picture still more stably in the Rhytmus, but the Ruckler in parts and/or only the Sync which can be corrected by Pausieren also here still occurred. 5.1.3 1080p Reverse Pulldown As already in the run this Specials describes, the Reverse Pulldown for 1080p becomes at least theoretically somewhat easier, than with 1080i material. IScan the VP50 seems to confirm this in practice. In order to examine its achievement with 1080p material, we switched Player, which inserted its own Faroudja processor for the 1080p expenditure to a Samsung Blu ray. The VP50 with 1080p signals actually shows impressing achievement: Isolated Ruckler does not exist also with fastest camera cuts or flashlights to no more, the picture runs always liquid as in the cinema. Also losing the synchronisation is now an absolute rarity. On average it occurred only once per film, sometimes goes through a film also completely, without one is forced only once to tracing branch. Now and then it happened however nevertheless with our tests. The DVDO iScan VP50 is a payable solution, which offers a good remedy already now against the disturbing 60Hz Ruckeln of the new media. Good De-Interlacing and an efficient Reverse Pulldown let the spectator come the genuine cinema experience more near. But perfectly is not the solution at present unfortunately yet. The misfires in parts with 1080i material cloud the otherwise good general impression and schueren the demand for a software update. And the update is after our information also in work, so that here still further improvements are to be expected.

Many thanks to you guys Gary and Donjulio.

I tried it with Panasonic RP82 SDI and there is no such problem.

I will check the 2900 SDI mod & cable etc for the 2900.


the Denon 2900 is very sweet, with SDI mod, it is up there with the Panasonics

a portion of the image shaking(always the same part) is a SDI mod problem, bad solder joint or grounding issues or a slim slim chance cable related, sorry to hear about your trouble, whoever did the SDI mod needs to look at it, the 2900 is picky with it's clock and ground signal, those 2 connections need care and length is very much a concern

it could also be loader related, the 2900 loader was not the most robust, I have seen some crazy stuff, like the loader affecting the power supply thus bothering the SDI mod

-Gary

wow nevermind worked great!

Thanks! This is sweet....even my wife commented on how much better and smoother it looks.....and she thinks all this stuff is CRAP.

Thanks Gary!

CraigN, (and choddo) - thanks. You are correct - first I had to select the framerate, then go back to select the 1080p 24 choice. A bit counter-intuitive, but ok - it works. (I would think that if I were to select, say, 1080i 50, that the framerate would be 50 - and the same with 1080p24 - but perhaps that is one of the bugs.)

Tho I'm feeding the signal to a 8" crt pj, so far it doesn't seem to like the output, so I'll have to work on a new memory block, and try some more. I get an image, but it is shifted R to the edge of raster, with a ghost partial verticle image on the far left. Maybe a synch issue? Or even porch? Will mess with settings in a couple days, see if I can get the image where it needs to be.

Ta.

CraigN, (and choddo) - thanks. You are correct - first I had to select the framerate, then go back to select the 1080p 24 choice. A bit counter-intuitive, but ok - it works. (I would think that if I were to select, say, 1080i 50, that the framerate would be 50 - and the same with 1080p24 - but perhaps that is one of the bugs.)

Tho I'm feeding the signal to a 8" crt pj, so far it doesn't seem to like the output, so I'll have to work on a new memory block, and try some more. I get an image, but it is shifted R to the edge of raster, with a ghost partial verticle image on the far left. Maybe a synch issue? Or even porch? Will mess with settings in a couple days, see if I can get the image where it needs to be.

Ta.

Not an expert but are you actually outputing 24Hz via a CRT? Or is it internally uping the refresh from the 24Hz input? I'd think on a CRT you'd want to use something like 48 or 72Hz (if the input can take it).

Dunno - I'm probably wrong (again.) Just thought that Gino was trying it with his Marquees - figured if it looked good on his rig, it'd at least be worth a try with my little Runco. I have run at 72 (exceeding bandwidth) and 48 - just wanted to give it a try if I could, see what everyone is on about.

Jon - I recommend you use 1080p@48 since you can't do 72. You are trying to watch films in multiples of 24, but doesnt mean you should be watching 1080p24 on your crt. Probably better yet for your projector, try 1080i72/96

Thanks, Gino. Guess I remembered wrong - didn't mean to take your name in vain. Maybe I'll try dialing in a 1080i72 block - I did one quick and dirty, and it didn't look as good as 720p. But I can still try again. :) fwiw, I'm getting a lot better picture at 720p out of the VP50 than I did with the 30; with the 30, 1080i is what I ran, since 720p was too unstable.

And really, I'm only messing with 1080p since I finally have my 1080p source. I want to pretend I'm as cool as all of the guys with the new 1080p panels. ;)

Alot of new 1080P displays have been announced. It should be an exciting year for 1080P.
Has DVDO announced anything yet at CES?

Thank you Daniel.


Hai,

Also using 2900 with sdi and vp50 and no problems, but they indeed have to make sure the clock signal is still ok once they added the mod. jvb and other add extra parts to counter this problem. My 2900 was already changed in that it has multiple powerunits and a new clock but even then the guy who modded it checked the clock signal before/after since its a known point of worry.

Daniel.

Thank you donjulio.

Last night I removed the SDI board in the VP50 and reseat the board but unfortunately the problems are still there.

I am using 2m Canare 75 ohm cable and BNC connector for the SDI cable. Does the SDI cable length affect the image quality?

All along my 2900 SDI was fine with the VP30. The above problems occur after I upgraded to the VP50.



seasea,

I too have a SDI mod 2900 using a VP50 with SDI input. I do NOT have these problems. I am not sure if this just started happening or if you have been using this setup for some time and then this just started happening.

However, I do recall a person who was using a VP30 with a SDI input was having similar problems, as you know the VP30 and VP50 use the same SDI board, it turned out the resolution for this person was to remove the SDI board in the VP30 and reseat the board and things worked after that.

Alot of new 1080P displays have been announced. It should be an exciting year for 1080P.
Has DVDO announced anything yet at CES?

I hope nothing on the scaler front.... I've just settled in with my VP50!!!

some firmware upgrade news would be excellent ....

SDI on the iScan units is very very sensitive to cable and impedance mismatches.

Hello all. Just upgraded to a VP50 from a VP30+ABT102D combo (which I ran without major glitches for about 7 moths) and wanted to ask a question. Is sharpness control implemented differently in the VP50 (or should I ask, does it have a different default setting) compared to the VP30. Under the same conditions, 0 sharpness on the VP50 running 1.0 is somehow sharper than it was on the VP30/ABT102D running 1.08b - and that produces what I perceive as mixed results.
So, any differences here ?

Hello all. Just upgraded to a VP50 from a VP30+ABT102D combo (which I ran without major glitches for about 7 moths) and wanted to ask a question. Is sharpness control implemented differently in the VP50 (or should I ask, does it have a different default setting) compared to the VP30. Under the same conditions, 0 sharpness on the VP50 running 1.0 is somehow sharper than it was on the VP30/ABT102D running 1.08b - and that produces what I perceive as mixed results.
So, any differences here ?A sharpness setting of 0 on the VP50 is the same as a sharpness setting of 1 on the VP30, so there is a difference. A setting of -1 on the VP50 is the same as a setting of 0 on the VP30. I believe this was changed due to some end-user complaints that the VP30 image wasn't 'sharp enough'. That wouldn't have been my choice, but I'm pretty sure that's what was done.

Note that sharpness control on these iScan models is done by altering the FIR filter behavior used by the filters in the scaling engine. Different sharpness settings use different sets of filter coefficients, which then change the high frequency behavior. The VP30's default setting and the VP50's sharpness setting of -1 use the same set of filter coefficients.

- Dale Adams

Thank you. My feelings exactly. I would mention that my choice would also be towards tle older setting. Oh well, this is one I can live with ;).

In case it's not already been mentioned, a review of the VP50 can be found here http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/dvdo-iscan-vp50-video-processor-1-2007.html

Also, the ABT2010 IC has been announced at CES, and includes Mosquito & Block noise reduction among other features: here http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CEStechnology/ABT2010.php

Also, the ABT2010 IC has been announced at CES, and includes Mosquito & Block noise reduction among other features: here http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CEStechnology/ABT2010.php

VP60, here we come. :)

VP60, here we come. :)
Well, here's hope they'll add the noise reduction algs to the VP50 with a firmware upgrade.

Unfortunately it sounds like its a new board so I am sure there will be a charge if, and thats a big if, the board can be added to the main motherboard as a daughter board.

Barry, the VP50 has a big FPGA in it which can be reprogrammed to do whatever you want it to do. The only question is whether it has enough computational power to run the noise reduction algorithms in addition to all the other stuff. But if it has, then it's surely possible to add noise reduction with a firmware upgrade.

That's just there new IC for OEM DVD players and the like, the iScan VP range doesn't use any IC from ABT. If there's room in the FPGA's then the features can be added to the VP50, if DVDO want to. ;)

I realize that, but what I read talked aboput a new chip and the ability to handle HDMI 1.3. That sounds like some new hardware might be required.

AHHH Posts crossing in the cyberspace. I understand

I gotta vote with Josh Z - sounds like another upgrade path - enough folks want noise reduction that it would make marketing sense to charge for it, rather than give it away. If there was some way to even have us pay for the firmware upgrade to give it to us, I'd vote for that. I've dealt with some Roland gear like that - it was odd, paying for a software upgrade, but the features I gained were well worth the money.

In case it's not already been mentioned, a review of the VP50 can be found here http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/dvdo-iscan-vp50-video-processor-1-2007.html
A good and well balanced Review Ofer (this current Jan 2007 version) - you call it as it is and you show a good sense of humour to boot - see quote below. Unless DVDO come up with the goodies real soon, I'm afraid that I for one will be abandoning them.

.....A nice addition that users have been asking for in recent years, is an alternate silver front panel for the unit. I personally believe that there are two types of processor owners. The first are the practical users that hide the unit, along with other black anodized equipment, in the back of the room and set to show absolutely no visible lighting. The other kind puts everything right in front where everyone can ask why that person (let's use me as an example) has fifteen different boxes doing what most people only need four pieces of equipment to do......

In case it's not already been mentioned, a review of the VP50 can be found here http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/dvdo-iscan-vp50-video-processor-1-2007.html

From Ofer's review there:

"Something that ABT has not improved upon in quite a while is the scaling algorithm. While it was sufficient for 720p projectors, which needed 480i (SD) scaled to 720p, representing a 50% increase in the number of scan lines, 1080p displays show that the ABT scaling algorithm needs to be addressed quickly. Feeding SD content to such a display, particularly one that has letterbox marks shows clear ringing that is the result of a less than ideal scaling algorithm. Processors like the Lumagen HDQ ring far less given the same input and output conditions. Of course, given a less rigorous scaling ratio (e.g., with 720p displays), the situation is far less noticeable. However, ABT should start investing in a better scaling algorithm in the very near future."

This is the first I've heard that particular complaint. Can anyone else with a 1080p display corroborate?

I realize that, but what I read talked aboput a new chip and the ability to handle HDMI 1.3. That sounds like some new hardware might be required.

Well, how much upgrade costs can there be left if the VP50 costs $3K! Will a new VP50+ cost $3.5K or more? Does it ever end? :) SJ

Well, how much upgrade costs can there be left if the VP50 costs $3K! Will a new VP50+ cost $3.5K or more? Does it ever end? :) SJ

So someone spill the beans. Who's beta testing these features in the VP50? :)

I have been critical of the scaling performed by the VP50 for some time. It isn't that bad but it simply isn't as good as say the non ringing scaling in the Lumagen. It rings. I use the Lumagen for scaling 720p to 1080p. For deinterlacing video, I use the VP50. At least for 1080i, the VP50 doesn't have to scale. For 480i to 1080p it does.

The press on the new chip says it has new scaling (II). The lit on the VP50 hides behind its "proven" old scaling. It's proven to be not as good as the competition. Denon did use it in its top of the line DVD player a year or so back. I have no idea if Denon is using it in its top of the line now. I hope ABTs has eliminated the ringing and they make thenew scaling avilable to us as a free upgrade.

BTW What companies have chosen to use the ABT chip? The chip competition has better scaling and already has noise reduction, mosquito noise reduction blah blah blah. ABT had no choice but to add these features to its chip, to improve the scaling, and to incorporate the man's (Dale Adams") deinterlacing algs in its new chip. Dale's video deinterlacing algs may be the best presently available the market is not that sensitive to small distinctions in video proessing ability. Other features are more important to it

ABT is like David fighting the Giants, Gennum etc. The world is now using the Gennum Chip and the Silicon Optix chips and these companies are not siting still. I wouldn't want to be an investor in ABT right now. Also, the company appears to have limited resources and apparently has chosen to develop chips over prioritizing software fixes and upgrades for its processor customers. Probably the only real business choice it has, but we owners of their processors do suffer and IMHO they are fighting an almost hopeless battle. I hope I am wrong.

Yeah it does appear they've decided not to field test new algs on there programable scaler customer base but go direct to silcon. Wasted opertunaty to perfect them before burning them in stone but hey non of the others do it. ;)

If they did care enough about there DVDO customers they would have at least announced if these features would also be available to VP owners...

...[que tumbleweed]....

...guess not then. :D

Mark make sure that your Sharpness is always on -1, that is the normal level, 0 and up adds ringing/sharpness to the scaling etc.

you prolly already know that though, I am sure Ofer did in his review also

but it is easy to forget or misunderstand, -1 is what we want unless one wants added sharpness

EdiT: I see Dale already mentioned this above ;)

-Gary

Slight thread hijack, my apologies.

For those that are well informed about the VP50 and have a Sony LCD TV.

Do you think the VP50 paired with a Sony 46v2500 would outclass (have better picture quality for SD/HD/BluRay/HD-DVD/DVD upscaled/XBox/PS3) then a standalone Sony XBR2 46" LCD? Do you see it falling short with any of those display sources?

The reason I ask is that I am intrigued by the VP50, I realize it is a pretty expensive add-on to make with a TV purchase. For those that use the VP50 do you typically use it more for Plasmas / Projection or are there a lot of LCD users too?

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

I'm trying to set up a one button "Go Wide" on my Harmony 890. Everything else works, but I can't get the VP50 to do anything with the IR discrete code for the Letterbox input aspect ratio. I have also tried setting it up as a VP30 but that doesn't work either. There is no single button on the VP50 remote for Letterbox so I can't use the learn mode and am dependent on Harmony's data base to be correct. Is this a problem with the VP50 or a problem with Harmony's data base? Has anybody succeeded in doing this?

wow nevermind worked great!

Thanks! This is sweet....even my wife commented on how much better and smoother it looks.....and she thinks all this stuff is CRAP.

Thanks Gary!

my pleasure dude, enjoy the Panny

for the Panasonics, Line offset will usually end up on 12 90% of the time, or 13 the other 10%

citation make sure you have the beta software on the DVDO website installed

-Gary

-Gary

The VP50 cuts off 3 pixel rows at the left side of the image when using YUV input, anyone else noticed this?

Citation4444

If you need a cut and paste copy of the IR codes (any and all) for the VP line, try my utility program at www.the-gordons.net. It used to be hosted on the DVDO web site but they took it down when they felt there were too many questions on its use. It has a manual and a simple interface for the neophyte.

Citation4444

If you need a cut and paste copy of the IR codes (any and all) for the VP line, try my utility program at www.the-gordons.net. It used to be hosted on the DVDO web site but they took it down when they felt there were too many questions on its use. It has a manual and a simple interface for the neophyte.
Interesting, Barry. Your utility program is still at the DVDO site in the support, documentation, automation area. :)
Your program gave a different code for the letterbox than does the DVDO site.
Yours gives:
Letterbox
0000 006C 001B 0000 0064 0064 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0044 0044 0016 0001

The DVDO site gives this (assuming the codes are the same for the VP30 and VP50):
Letterbox:
0000 006c 001b 0000 0064 0064 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0044 0044 0016 0001

I have to contact Harmony to get them to input your IR code so I can check it out. I'll let you know later.......

Bob

I guess they put it back up. Let me know how you make out. There are two different types (protocols) of IR on the VP line. One is for the IR Remote they provide, the other basically mimics the RS232 interface allowing any RS232 command that has a discrete (e.g. On, Off) instead of valued parameter such as a range. The program generates both types.

When I generate the code for LTBX (Letterbox) I get
0000 006C 0024 0000 0156 00AA 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 06C0 0156 0055 0016 00AA

Which is different than eaither value you showed me.

The protocol uses a check field and the value above passes the check. Niether of the two values you posted passes that check. Please check the version of the program if you got it from the DVDO web site.

I have an iScan VP50 and a Panasonic-Plasma TH-42PHW6 (the same as TH-42PHD6). Native resolution: 1024.x768

The VP50 is connected with HDMI/DVI to an OPHIT DVI (HDCP) TO VGA CONVERTER and the Converter is connected with VGA to the Plasma.

Can anyone tell me the best Output-Setup in the VP50 to get a perfect 1:1 Pixel-Mapping to the Plasma?

I have testet and tested, but the test pattern 'Vertical Lines' and 'Horizontal Lines' does not appear as it should. I get no 1:1 Pixel-Mapping ...

I guess they put it back up. Let me know how you make out. There are two different types (protocols) of IR on the VP line. One is for the IR Remote they provide, the other basically mimics the RS232 interface allowing any RS232 command that has a discrete (e.g. On, Off) instead of valued parameter such as a range. The program generates both types.

When I generate the code for LTBX (Letterbox) I get
0000 006C 0024 0000 0156 00AA 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0015 0016 0041 0016 06C0 0156 0055 0016 00AA

Which is different than eaither value you showed me.

The protocol uses a check field and the value above passes the check. Niether of the two values you posted passes that check. Please check the version of the program if you got it from the DVDO web site.I got the tool from your website. After using it some more I got the same code you got with 304 bits. The one I generated earlier comes from selecting discrete, then remote control, then LBX. It gives 232 bits. The second code (the same as yours) comes from selecting remote, then LBX. I have sent both codes to Harmony for inclusion in their database. We'll see what happens when they update the database.

I am using VP50 Utility Program v2.0.84.

I got the tool from your website. After using it some more I got the same code you got with 304 bits. The one I generated earlier comes from selecting discrete, then remote control, then LBX. It gives 232 bits. The second code (the same as yours) comes from selecting remote, then LBX. I have sent both codes to Harmony for inclusion in their database. We'll see what happens when they update the database.

I am using VP50 Utility Program v2.0.84.

please let me know which one works for you, i too am having issues with the harmony discrete codes in the 890. I hate how it doesn't let you add your own codes, what on earth is the reason for this power trip they have...

As I said there are two types of IR codes. When it all started there was only the "Remote" IR codes using a slight variant of the standard NEC IR protocol. In that protocol there are three fields of data, A device code of 16 bits, A function code of 8 bits and the function code complimented for another 8 bits for a total of 32 bits.

In discussions between myself and DVDO we discussed having an IR protocol that would just provide an entry into the command and control system with the same data as brought over the RS232 interface. It was felt to be a simple change but would be limited in that no command that issues a data response could be used, and if a command used other than enumeration for its parameter (e.g brightness NNNN as opposed to Power ON/Off) then it would not be supported either. That protocol (the discrete one), is to my knowledge, not used elsewhere in the industry and I am under NDA so I may not disclose it. It is not hard to reverse engineer from the IR patterns, but I leave that as an exercise to the very techy user with plenty of free time and a real thirst for knowledge.

For those very hungry techy types I wrote a paper which can be obtained at my web site or from RemoteCentral describing the structure of IR codes in general and the NEC family in particular. The codes are discussed in terms of the Philips Pronto ccf format which is a hex representation of the IR timing.

Sorry but I wish to raise a (probably silly) question: when I hook up the DVDO to my Sony LCD TV, how can I make sure that I'll by-pass Sony's internal scaler and that all video processing are now done by the DVDO?

Tony

We do not need a VP60, we need audio issues fixed.

A VPXX with two HDMI ouputs and six HDMI inputs would be nice!

We do not need a VP60, we need audio issues fixed.

Yes, that is a FACT. I'm beginning to wonder how many people even upgraded or purchased a VP50, since there really isn't a lot of talk compared to the 30.

But I do know the audio issues have not been corrected completely, plus they added some weird IR menu reponse in the last upgrade. I like the video but the audio problems along with some stuff they never correct is a bother. I'm not really sure how much longer I'll put up with it either and they never answer a email. I don't think they've upgrade the vp30 in a long time, and I know that one had audio issues from day one.

Ktlau,
you need to find your displays' native resolution and set up the VP50 to output this native res. For e.g. if your displays native resolution is 1280 x 720p, you should set the VP50 to output 720p. Essentially, you are 1:1 pixel mapping to your display this way. This should cause your display to disable and/or grey out any internal scaling or processing in the menu settings.

We do not need a VP60, we need audio issues fixed.

With the beta firmware my audio problems are essentially gone. I was horribly plagued by the brief audio dropout issue on the VP30 and then the VP50 with 1.0, but the beta firmware appears to have fixed that. The complete audio loss with dolby digital and TiVo has happened to me a handful of times with the beta firmware, 3 times since the beta firmware was released I believe. It is easily corrected by switching to another input and back. I would like it perfect of course, but its very livable for me now. And of course I'd like to see a real firmware release with some of the UI issues fixed.

The poor VP30 owners on the other hand are waiting, and waiting, and waiting...

- Collin

With the beta firmware my audio problems are essentially gone. I was horribly plagued by the brief audio dropout issue on the VP30 and then the VP50 with 1.0, but the beta firmware appears to have fixed that. The complete audio loss with dolby digital and TiVo has happened to me a handful of times with the beta firmware, 3 times since the beta firmware was released I believe. It is easily corrected by switching to another input and back. I would like it perfect of course, but its very livable for me now. And of course I'd like to see a real firmware release with some of the UI issues fixed.

The poor VP30 owners on the other hand are waiting, and waiting, and waiting...

- Collin

it is a bit disheartnening that development seems to have stopped for the VP30 actually ..... who knows.... in 9 months time vp 50 could be today's vp30 ....

I find it amusing and sad how we the consumers have been trained by the software industry. First of all let me state I was associated with the development of software and the design/construction of computers for over 45 years so I do know something about the industry.

If there were no such thing as "firmware upgrades" then a unit with the problems the VP30 (an item that costs in excess of $2000) has would have been returned to the manufacturer as "not working". Either a replacement unit would have been demanded or a full refund of money. There is some law regarding mercantability that is often summed up as "A toaster shall make toast". But the world today is not like that. We have that human frailty called hope, and we hope that a proper fix will be supplied, especially since it is so easy to install/repair the malfunction with a firmware upgrade. Of course development of the fix suffers from the same problem, hope. The engineers "Hope" they will get it right next time.

Then the "Suits" of the business world step in and properly decide from a business sense that it is not cost effective/economical to pursue the repair any longer. After all what will be the downside? Will the customers return all of their defective units and demand their money back even though the units are out of warranty under the "Toaster shall make toast" provision. They make the bet that will not happen and are right almost all of the time.

The upside to this "firmware upgrade" issue is that you can get improvements from time to time and often at little or no charge, and a unit which is mechanically/electrically sound and will exceed its useful lifetime can be have a much extended life keeping up with changes. That is also why there is thought to be little or no issue with specification changes such as HDMI 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 in very short time spans. After all it might just be a firmware upgrade.

PS Firmware - Software the same breed of cat.

Yes, that is a FACT. I'm beginning to wonder how many people even upgraded or purchased a VP50, since there really isn't a lot of talk compared to the 30.

I don't think they've upgrade the vp30 in a long time, and I know that one had audio issues from day one.

Exactly - which is the prime reason I upgraded to the VP50. And thankfully, the new beta seems to have addressed and fixed all of my audio problems. My main fear? - that the production version of the beta will unfix my audio problems. So far, so good.

But you are exactly correct - for all of Josh's promises of continued VP30 support (if he hasn't deleted them, you can find them in the VP30 and VP50 threads, plus in the audio problem threads) - there hasn't been a VP30 upgrade since the VP50 was released. Just as I (and probably others) predicted.

But unless DVDO screws up my audio in the production firmware, this is most likely the last DVDO product I'll own. I'll wait for news of Dale's new company. :D

As long as DVDO has their generous upgrade program I'll stick with them.

I have an iScan VP50 and a Panasonic-Plasma TH-42PHW6 (the same as TH-42PHD6). Native resolution: 1024.x768

The VP50 is connected with HDMI/DVI to an OPHIT DVI (HDCP) TO VGA CONVERTER and the Converter is connected with VGA to the Plasma.

Can anyone tell me the best Output-Setup in the VP50 to get a perfect 1:1 Pixel-Mapping to the Plasma?

I have testet and tested, but the test pattern 'Vertical Lines' and 'Horizontal Lines' does not appear as it should. I get no 1:1 Pixel-Mapping ...

Hi,
the resolultion is supported by the VGA input as weel as by the TY-42TM6D DVI-D input blade (digital signal in from your DVI but only at 60Hz ie 1024x768@60Hz, 48.36kHz Horizontal Frequency, 65MHz dot clock ). I assume you are aware that the pixels on your plasma are not square, but rectangular with a 4:3 aspect, large side horizontal (one pixel = 3 adjacent cells in R,G, and B). Vertical lines should appear kind of thick and chess pattern would not be made up of squares, but rectangles.

As long as DVDO has their generous upgrade program I'll stick with them.

I'll likely do the same. Though the itch to play elsewhere is strong. Not because I don't like the VP50 ( I love it. No audio problems with any firmware) but just because of the nature of the hobby. Unfortunately the buy in for all of the VP's is so high that a great trade up program really has me locked up.

I'm finding it more and more difficult to justify blowing $3k on a VP. When I first got my Ruby, 35% of the Ruby cost for better deinterlacing and framerate conversion was worth it. But with 1080p PJ's now running <$5k with ok video processing or PJ's that are <$15k with very very good processing, a stand alone is hard to justify. For my plasma, even as close as I sit, I just don't see enough improvement to pay more on the VP then the display.

Anyways, now back to the VP50, can anyone hint at all if noise reduction is coming to the VP50? How about Gary telling us to just be patient and give us a ;) . You all did it when the flames were flaring over the audio. Come on, throw as a bone.

Does anybody know what's up with Josh & DVDO? I wrote some emails, reported some bugs etc. some weeks ago but have never got an answer.

Does anybody know what's up with Josh & DVDO? I wrote some emails, reported some bugs etc. some weeks ago but have never got an answer.

All I can report is I saw him and shook his hand at CES.

He was in Las Vegas ALL THIS WEEK!

Thanks! I have tried it the whole december, about 5 times and no answer.

I did receive multiple replies from support in December. Maybe your mails weren't polite enough? :) Or maybe you asked questions nobody knew an answer to...

Wanted to confirm I can do this:

I want my SA8300HD to output 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i to the VP50 and VP50 to my display via HDMI @1080p.

I want to tell the VP50 to display signal input of 480i, 480p to output to display using stretch (panoramic) mode and to display signal input 720p, 1080i to output to display normally. (ie when I'm watching an SD channel I want it stretched and when watching HD channel I obviously want it as is)

Can I program the VP50 to do this so that I am not forced to manually change the screen setting when switching form SD to HD and back.

Thanks.

I don't have the manual in front of me but one of the locked/unlocked settings was recommended to avoid resyncing when switching from different resolutions inputs.

My question is: While "channel surfing" does the VP50 switch the display of channels pretty quickly and avoid the few secs of resynching if programed appropriately. I'm willing to suffer some display loss if the channels just display quickly when "channel surfing".

Thanks again.

As long as DVDO has their generous upgrade program I'll stick with them.

well, maybe - could have spoken too soon. But there would have to be a VERY compelling reason to upgrade, tempting path or no. My VP50 looks very good; I doubt if they are going to add the additional analog inputs I want, and there are already more HDMI than I need. While the scaling may not be world class, it looks pretty nice on my pj; as I stated, I only upgraded to get the audio fix. If they include blending, PIP, multiple HDMI and analog outpus, then maybe..... :cool:

Hai,

Personally i think they should release this as a firmware update if its a new hardware design i for one will want to hear what all the 'we will add new features' when we got the vp50 was all about. Sofar we have seen mostly little bugfixes PREP was in from the start of the feature set.

Its been silent form dvdo for a while lets hope we will get some good news from them soon since i think with all the delays/audio problems its about time they give us a happy suprise.

Daniel.

Does DVDO have financial problems? why i am asking is because there are never any new firmware updates.

It's been 6 months now since the VP50 was released.

Hi,
the resolultion is supported by the VGA input as weel as by the TY-42TM6D DVI-D input blade (digital signal in from your DVI but only at 60Hz ie 1024x768@60Hz, 48.36kHz Horizontal Frequency, 65MHz dot clock ). I assume you are aware that the pixels on your plasma are not square, but rectangular with a 4:3 aspect, large side horizontal (one pixel = 3 adjacent cells in R,G, and B). Vertical lines should appear kind of thick and chess pattern would not be made up of squares, but rectangles.
Thank you for the answer.
Why the pixels on my plasma are not square? Many Plasmas have the resolution 1024x768. And all not square?
But my problem is: on the test pattern 'vertical lines' and 'horizontal lines' I get no black and white lines, they are grey and light grey.
Must I use 4:3 aspect? But my Plasma is a 16:9-display. I don't understand ...

DVDO has never addressed my audio issue from my Sony DVR (via HDMI with audio also fed via HDMI), if I change the output mode (720p,1080i,480) when connected to VP50 and the VP50 is turned on and I crash the VP50 so that NO audio comes from the VP50 till I do a HARD reset. I have to be careful that I do not change modes while the VP50 is turned on and selected to the Sony DVR.

Also, if I leave the Sony DVR in Dolby Digital mode (not PCM) and change the channels too fast, it too crashes the VP50 till I do a HARD reset, even if it does not crash the VP50, I get snap, crackle and pops till it locks onto the DD signal. Awaiting for a Beta firmware that addresses this....

(rant off)

Does DVDO have financial problems? why i am asking is because there are never any new firmware updates.

It's been 6 months now since the VP50 was released.

what the hell are you talking about? :confused:

-Gary

Seems like an honest question to ask, when you don't provide customer support as Vfrjim recounts.

Perhaps Gary is just referring to the fact that it's been less than 4 months since the VP50 was introduced, not 6 months as Likvid claims.

Recent DVDO firmware updates (release, not beta) have generally come at 2 to 3 month intervals, which does put the VP50 a little (but only a little) behind the norm. The last VP30 update was 5 months ago, though, so it's starting to look like support for that box may be ending as was the case with the previous iScan models.

- Dale Adams

Recent DVDO firmware updates (release, not beta) have generally come at 2 to 3 month intervals, which does put the VP50 a little (but only a little) behind the norm. The last VP30 update was 5 months ago, though, so it's starting to look like support for that box may be ending as was the case with the previous iScan models.

And that is also something for anyone who is a VP30 owner, they are probably not going to be very happy to hear. Just expecting people to buy your new 'latest & greatest' when you start to get a history of not adequately fixing the problems that were in you're previous 'latest & greatest' of only a year ago, and that are still being sold to people as your current 'next to the best' product, is far from the best way to do business.

Perhaps Gary is just referring to the fact that it's been less than 4 months since the VP50 was introduced, not 6 months as Likvid claims.

Recent DVDO firmware updates (release, not beta) have generally come at 2 to 3 month intervals, which does put the VP50 a little (but only a little) behind the norm. The last VP30 update was 5 months ago, though, so it's starting to look like support for that box may be ending as was the case with the previous iScan models.

- Dale Adams

I guess you can't say if these new algo's where planned for the vp50 we know they have been shown (and you commented on them) at shows for a while now. But you can maybe comment on how many space the vp50 still has available on the fpga's. It seems alot more since the firmware update now takes 45m.

Understand if you can't but i guess we all want a hint if the new announced abt algo's will be included you can't blame us for asking :).

Any hints on a new job ?, or are you just reading avs all day ;)

Daniel.

I guess you can't say if these new algo's where planned for the vp50 we know they have been shown (and you commented on them) at shows for a while now. But you can maybe comment on how many space the vp50 still has available on the fpga's. It seems alot more since the firmware update now takes 45m.I believe that the original intent was to add a number of new features to the VP50 after the initial release. Some of those features haven't shown up yet, so it's not unreasonable to expect something in the future. But:

1) ABT is under new mangagement. Management changes sometimes have a way of altering the previous behavior and goals of a company. I don't know that that's the case since I no longer work there, but it's something to be aware of.

2) The FPGAs used in the VP50 are definitely larger and faster than what was used before. A good portion of the 'larger' part was used up with the new deinterlacer, as it's not a tiny thing. The last time I saw data on the FPGA gate usage there was still some room left. (But see the next item.) Also note that some new features could be completely software based and would require little or no modifications or additions to the FPGAs.

3) Some of the features which are being looked for, such as noise reduction, were not completely developed at the time I left. Also, I wasn't the one doing that development. Consequently, I don't really know how much of the FPGA resources they might require, and so don't know if they'll fit or not.

Keep in mind, though, that I do not really know what the current plans inside ABT are, and that some of what I wrote above is speculation on my part.

Any hints on a new job ?, or are you just reading avs all day ;) Nothing I can comment on yet, but there a couple possibilities with good potential. These things sometimes take a while. In the meantime, I've been keeping myself busy by developing a number of display calibration and correction features that I always thought should be in the VP50 (and VP30, for that matter).

- Dale Adams

first, thanks for the kind words about my review.

I have a few nagging complaints that I've been sending to ABT. Processing wise, my one big problem is that the scaling algorithm has not significantly been changed between iScan HD, HD+, VP30 and VP50. I believe that ABT has simply not seen a need for a better scaling algorithm, believing theirs is "good enough".

On a 768p display, it most definitely is good enough. On 1080p displays, I have seen better (e.g., the Lumagen scaling algorithm). That's not to say that the rest of the competition does much better... HQV has a ringing scaling algorithm that I think is slightly below DVDO's current algorithm. I have not really testing VXP to be able to say if it does better or not (I have tested the HD81, but didn't specifically look at the scaling per-se, because I was conducting a 4-way 1080p projector shootout..)..

Dale,

can you expand more on the ownership changes? I knew things were up and there has been far less communication with ABT than in the past, but if you could shed more light on it, I would appreciate it (assuming you feel ok with doing that).

Ofer, here is one press release at ABT:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/news/vp-glass.html

-Gary

All I can report is I saw him and shook his hand at CES.

He was in Las Vegas ALL THIS WEEK!

I too saw Josh and thanked him for "everything" . Nice guy . Got a T-shirt after watching the demo of.... Video Noise Reduction ! :D

They were using the FPGA's in an HD+ but it was still ABT's Noise Reduction . Josh said that it would be a firmware upgrade to existing VP-50's . End of story . No hand-outs , no Press Releases , no documentation . Stay tuned to ABT's site for upcoming details .

Scott..................... :)

Could have done without that link, Gary. Would have been happier to muddle on in a state of unenlightened ignorance.

"Glass comes to Anchor Bay from Core Networks, Inc., where he was instrumental in positioning the privately held company for a successful sale to SupportSoft, Inc."

Not the type of skill set I would want as a DVDO consumer - although probably something that is very desirable to owners and stockholders.

I too saw Josh and thanked him for "everything" . Nice guy . Got a T-shirt after watching the demo of.... Video Noise Reduction ! :D

They were using the FPGA's in an HD+ but it was still ABT's Noise Reduction . Josh said that it would be a firmware upgrade to existing VP-50's . End of story . No hand-outs , no Press Releases , no documentation . Stay tuned to ABT's site for upcoming details .
Scott..................... :)Now that's absolutely fascinating. What does that tell me? That the HD+ is their most reliable machine which is why they chose it, rather than the VP30/50, to demonstrate their new NR alg. Pure speculation on my part of course ;) .

Dale,

can you expand more on the ownership changes? I knew things were up and there has been far less communication with ABT than in the past, but if you could shed more light on it, I would appreciate it (assuming you feel ok with doing that).
It's not really ownership changes, but rather management changes. Gary pointed to one press release. Here's another and earlier one: http://www.dvdo.com/new/press_08-16-2006.php The new CEO was only there a short time before I left and the marketing VP came in after I left, so there's not really much I can add. I was simply pointing out that the current ABT management is now different and that a management change can (but does not necessarily have to) result in changes in company business strategy and policies.

- Dale Adams

I too saw Josh and thanked him for "everything" . Nice guy . Got a T-shirt after watching the demo of.... Video Noise Reduction ! :D

They were using the FPGA's in an HD+ but it was still ABT's Noise Reduction . Josh said that it would be a firmware upgrade to existing VP-50's . End of story . No hand-outs , no Press Releases , no documentation . Stay tuned to ABT's site for upcoming details .

Scott..................... :)
That's what he told me as well, I had very little time to spend at the DVDO booth, but that part I remember distinctly.

I wish they stop adding features and fix the bugs...

I'm so pissed off at the audio drop outs that I finally took the Vp50 out of the chain.

On the other hand, assuming I dun use it for audio, for pure video functions, does it still have any bugs now ? Does 1080p24/60/50 switching work ? Any bugs saving/loading output profiles ?

I'd also run it video only, 'cept two reasons- I paid for an HDMI capable component, and I paid for a feature called lip sync.

I too saw Josh and thanked him for "everything" . Nice guy . Got a T-shirt after watching the demo of.... Video Noise Reduction ! :D

They were using the FPGA's in an HD+ but it was still ABT's Noise Reduction . Josh said that it would be a firmware upgrade to existing VP-50's . End of story . No hand-outs , no Press Releases , no documentation . Stay tuned to ABT's site for upcoming details .

Scott..................... :)
Scott, did the Noise reduction work well? small loss of detail?

bummer I only got to Vegas today ... conference starting on Monday... couldn't get here any earlier...

Now that's absolutely fascinating. What does that tell me? That the HD+ is their most reliable machine which is why they chose it, rather than the VP30/50, to demonstrate their new NR alg. Pure speculation on my part of course ;) .
I remember your HD being rock solid phil ..... I only took mine out of the box once to test...... and upgraded to the VP30.... which I only really used for 2 months or so before upgrading to the VP50 ...


looking forward to noise reduction .....

Just landed a few hours ago in Vegas... long flight from Sydney.... dead tired..should sleep no browse the forum.... ;)

Now that's absolutely fascinating. What does that tell me? That the HD+ is their most reliable machine which is why they chose it, rather than the VP30/50, to demonstrate their new NR alg. Pure speculation on my part of course ;) .

I think not. A VP50 used by development is a loss of a VP50 sale i.e. $3000, on the other hand, DVDO are probably flooded with HD+'s from the upgrade program. It's much more cost effective to give the HD+ to development/marketing rather than a VP50.

Hello All,

After upgrading to a VP50, I have noticed a small problem (rather annoying little artifact :) ...) with 50Hz input material converted to unlocked 59.94 of 60 for output to my display. I am trying to describe this after a couple of days testing its behavior.

Equipment:
VP50 (upgrade from VP30/ABT-102D) running 1.0 (I did not yet load 1.01b)

Display: Panasonic TH-50PHW6 with TY-42TM6D, DVI-D in via HDMI to DVI-D cable
Source: Arcam DV79, HDMI SD interlaced out YCbCr 4:2:2 (priority=Analogue, display=Auto, 16:9, progressive=off) via HDMI cable

Output from VP50:
Image:
Format: 1366x768 (2) - NR achieved, RGB 4:4:4 (DVI)
Framerate: on source at 50Hz setting is Unlocked @59.94 (also tried 60.00)
Sound:
not routed through the VP50.

Problem description:
On all 50Hz source material, irrespective of input aspect settings, a short horizontal line of about 100 display pixels or so (timing dependent, it is shorter on 4:3 FAR) and about (but not exactly) 2 display pixel lines thick appears now and then (seemingly random , it might have to do with rate conversion or poor locking onto an incoming 50Hz signal) in the upper-left corner of the display, always starting with the first upper left display pixel within the frame.
The short stripe appears in white or green, maybe four-five times a minute, and is distracting, particularly on darker images.
It is FAR/AAR dependent (as I chose those from the VP50menu) - that is if I choose FAR 16:9 and AAR 2.35, the artifact will move to the upper-left corner of the Active Area.
It is overscan independent, that is if I keep increasing the overscan the artifact stays in the same position on the display.
It does not apply to signals generated by the VP50, thus it can be completely masked by adding a border 2 pixels thick from the Borders-Vertical menu (a vertical border is actually a horizontal band, it was just a bit confusing :) ...).
It does not show on the test signals generated by the VP50.
It only shows on 50Hz images input from the external source (which are forced to 60/59.94 when output to the display). Even the DVD-player Wallpaper :) is affected when displayed.

This problem was not present on the VP30/ABT102 running 1.08b with the same settings 1366x768 (2) 50->59.94 or 60 (the same timings work ok for achieving NR).
Since replacing the VP30 with the VP50 was the only change in the rig, chances that this problem might originate elsewhere are slim.

I am not qualified to tell where the problem is but it might have to do with either locking onto the incoming 50Hz signal over HDMI (behavior is consistent on all inputs), or with the framerate conversion process.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Hello All.....
After upgrading to a VP50, I have noticed a small problem (rather annoying little artifact :) ...) with 50Hz input material converted to unlocked 59.94 of 60 for output to my display. I am trying to describe this after a couple of days testing its behavior.Some others have reported a similar if not identical problem - some way back into this thread. Big_Marcelo posted having this problem from memory. I think he "overcame" it by overscanning his display (rather than by using the VP50 overscan facility which does not fix the problem as you also report). The problem appears to affect only a few units and some people have returned their VP50 for a replacement which I understand has fixed the problem in every case, i.e. it is a hardware problem (timing in the FPGA?) that can only be remedied by a replacement unit - upgrading to Vs 1.01 will not fix it.

Hello All,

After upgrading to a VP50, I have noticed a small problem (rather annoying little artifact :) ...) with 50Hz input material converted to unlocked 59.94 of 60 for output to my display. I am trying to describe this after a couple of days testing its behavior.

Equipment:
VP50 (upgrade from VP30/ABT-102D) running 1.0 (I did not yet load 1.01b)

Display: Panasonic TH-50PHW6 with TY-42TM6D, DVI-D in via HDMI to DVI-D cable
Source: Arcam DV79, HDMI SD interlaced out YCbCr 4:2:2 (priority=Analogue, display=Auto, 16:9, progressive=off) via HDMI cable

Output from VP50:
Image:
Format: 1366x768 (2) - NR achieved, RGB 4:4:4 (DVI)
Framerate: on source at 50Hz setting is Unlocked @59.94 (also tried 60.00)
Sound:
not routed through the VP50.

Problem description:
On all 50Hz source material, irrespective of input aspect settings, a short horizontal line of about 100 display pixels or so (timing dependent, it is shorter on 4:3 FAR) and about (but not exactly) 2 display pixel lines thick appears now and then (seemingly random , it might have to do with rate conversion or poor locking onto an incoming 50Hz signal) in the upper-left corner of the display, always starting with the first upper left display pixel within the frame.
The short stripe appears in white or green, maybe four-five times a minute, and is distracting, particularly on darker images.
It is FAR/AAR dependent (as I chose those from the VP50menu) - that is if I choose FAR 16:9 and AAR 2.35, the artifact will move to the upper-left corner of the Active Area.
It is overscan independent, that is if I keep increasing the overscan the artifact stays in the same position on the display.
It does not apply to signals generated by the VP50, thus it can be completely masked by adding a border 2 pixels thick from the Borders-Vertical menu (a vertical border is actually a horizontal band, it was just a bit confusing :) ...).
It does not show on the test signals generated by the VP50.
It only shows on 50Hz images input from the external source (which are forced to 60/59.94 when output to the display). Even the DVD-player Wallpaper :) is affected when displayed.

This problem was not present on the VP30/ABT102 running 1.08b with the same settings 1366x768 (2) 50->59.94 or 60 (the same timings work ok for achieving NR).
Since replacing the VP30 with the VP50 was the only change in the rig, chances that this problem might originate elsewhere are slim.

I am not qualified to tell where the problem is but it might have to do with either locking onto the incoming 50Hz signal over HDMI (behavior is consistent on all inputs), or with the framerate conversion process.

Has anyone else noticed this?

I have the exact same problem as you with the "white line".

I have written an E-mail to DVDO support over 2 months ago explaining the problem - No answer! :(

I'm pretty sure I read earlier in the thread, that it is a "software" problem and could be fixed by an update. DVDO please fix it!

PS. I have experienced completely non-working audio on the VP50 on more than 5 occasions now. It happens when I turn the unit on and there is no audio on any input. The only thing that fixes this is to pull the power from the VP50 and do a hard reset.

Anyone else experiencing the same problem?

Have you tried switching inputs? With v1.01 if there is a loss of audio, switching inputs gets it back. That happened once when I tried to see how prone it was to losing audio. I switched back and forth quickly between menus in the TiVo which with v1.00 would easily cause audio to be lost. By turning off the TiVo sounds and normal usage this wasn't a problem for me. With v 1.01 the audio was still lost but I had to switch back and forth many times. So now I've turned the TiVo sounds back on in all my TiVos and I've lost audio once when deleting a bunch of programs which switches quickly between menus. Switching to another input and back brought the audio back.

Have you tried switching inputs? With v1.01 if there is a loss of audio, switching inputs gets it back. That happened once when I tried to see how prone it was to losing audio. I switched back and forth quickly between menus in the TiVo which with v1.00 would easily cause audio to be lost. By turning off the TiVo sounds and normal usage this wasn't a problem for me. With v 1.01 the audio was still lost but I had to switch back and forth many times. So now I've turned the TiVo sounds back on in all my TiVos and I've lost audio once when deleting a bunch of programs which switches quickly between menus. Switching to another input and back brought the audio back.

Thanks for the reply!

I'm using v1.00 firmware. I'm a bit scared of bricking my VP50 with a firmware update so I wanted to wait for the "final" release version of v1.01 instead of the beta version, before upgrading. So I don't have to do so many updates to the VP50.

PS. Switching inputs doesn't work with v1.00.

Has anyone fixed the "White Line Issue" by upgrading to v1.01?

Any news (timeline) on the final release of v1.01?

I wish they stop adding features and fix the bugs...

I'm so pissed off at the audio drop outs that I finally took the Vp50 out of the chain.

Are you using the current beta firmware? My audio dropouts completely went away after upgrading to 1.01.

Thanks for the reply!

I'm using v1.00 firmware. I'm a bit scared of bricking my VP50 with a firmware update so I wanted to wait for the "final" release version of v1.01 instead of the beta version, before upgrading. So I don't have to do so many updates to the VP50.



Have to second Josh Z and aaron - I held off on upgrading to the beta, because I didn't want to upgrade firmware twice, and because of the menu problems some people experienced after the upgrade.

But - so far, my audio problems are gone after upgrade to beta (realizing, that it is far easier to document the presence of a problem than the absence) and the upgrade has introduced no new bugs that I have found. So I would wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone who is having the audio dropout problem.

Only cavaet - if you have a PS3 and are trying to run 1080p, some are having problems with the beta; if that includes you, go back a few pages, and check before upgrading. (The beta is working fine for me, but I had to put up with the audio bug since day one of the VP30, so I figure its only fair that I can avoid a few other new bugs. :))

Hi Guys,

Question concerning the beta firmware update.

My Pio PDP-5070 would not accept 1080p 24 from my VP-50 it was said because of a timing problem to be corrected via firmware update.

Does this firmware address this? And people were reporting a delay with menu changes, and the VP-50 was not as responsive after the update, is this still the case?

I don't have any problems other than not being able to display 1080p @ 24, and don't won't open up a can of worms...

Thanks,

RoydRage