i've been using a VP50 for the last two weeks with serious problems of overheating. The processor keeps freezing and i've to wait for several hrs before i'm able to use this again.

Is the fan working? You may need to get your ear close the unit since the fan is barely audible.
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Axel

I had to do a hard reboot the other day and now it seems like the picture is a little bit softer on all inputs. I had made sure that I had the sharpness set to 0 on all inputs, and checked all the settings on my tv and on the VP50 and they are all the same. So is there anything that could cause this to happen when doing a hard reboot?

Im not sure if this has been asked elseware, if so, sorry, please post a link.

After playing around with the menus of my VP50, it would appear that its capable of taking in 1080p over hdmi at 24fps. Is it? If it is, what do I need to do to make sure the EDID that it reports to my dvd player includes 1080p/24.

I have the new LG BH-100 Super Multi Blue player. I cant get that player to engage 1080p . I do know that it wont support 1080/60, only 1080p/24. Apparently the VP50 wont report to the player that its capable of this mode, because its grey'ed out in the menu of the DVD player.

What settings do I need to invoke on my VP50 to allow it to not only take a 1080p/24, but also report that it will take such a res. Do I need a firmware upgrade?

How can I tell?

Thanks much.

well, i can't hear the fan working. also with the hard-reset i've not any result : VP stops at the following point "init hardaware" .

well, i can't hear the fan working. also with the hard-reset i've not any result : VP stops at the following point "init hardaware" .

what you wanna here ?

call dvdo or your dealer and get a replacement. as josh also wrote in your other thread.

:rolleyes:

Bad Mood ? ;-)

dude you have a bad unit, simple as that, get it replaced, no need to go around screaming about it everywhere as DVDO will take care of you no problem ;)

-Gary

Im not sure if this has been asked elseware, if so, sorry, please post a link.

After playing around with the menus of my VP50, it would appear that its capable of taking in 1080p over hdmi at 24fps. Is it? If it is, what do I need to do to make sure the EDID that it reports to my dvd player includes 1080p/24.

I have the new LG BH-100 Super Multi Blue player. I cant get that player to engage 1080p . I do know that it wont support 1080/60, only 1080p/24. Apparently the VP50 wont report to the player that its capable of this mode, because its grey'ed out in the menu of the DVD player.

What settings do I need to invoke on my VP50 to allow it to not only take a 1080p/24, but also report that it will take such a res. Do I need a firmware upgrade?

How can I tell?

Thanks much.

I was also planning to pick up this LG to go with the VP50 I just ordered. Have you figured out how to get the 1080p24s fed through yet?

Nope, Im thnking that the VP50 just wont do 1080i/24 in. Or if it dose, it dose not tell the LG that its comptaible with that mode.

But, 1080i/60 upscaled to 1080p60 on my CRT projector is right now the very best video I have seen to date.

FYI - I am using a hdcp stripper to get the VP50 to allow the RGB ports to work, and its working very well.

Going hdmi in vs Y Pb Pr in is a hughe difference in quality.

hdcp sucks.

The VP50 will accept 1080p-24 in, I have confirmed this with the Sony BD player.

I have another problem with my VP50. With my DVD player connected via 576p component (because 576i component does not work correctly and nobody knows why) and with 576i RGBS input (from my SAT receiver) I get a lot of white sparkling points in mid light areas. No sparkling points in black or white areas.

I am not able to test this with HDMI input, because at present I have only a display with an analog input (with HDCP no analog output).

Does anyone or even DVDO know something about this problem?

No I have some serious problems:
Audio dropouts at DolbyDigital and DTS (audio inputs/outputs of VP50not usable)
A possibly defective power supply (after 2 months the wrong spare part)
576i component input produces completely crushed blacks (have to use 576p)
White sparkling points in mid light areas (at component and RGBS)

My VP50 SDI has a retail price in Gemany of $5000.
So that's the quality I get for $5000.

After some weeks using the VP50 and some really serious quality issues I think I should look for another scaler.

Bejoro - Have you received your replacement power supply yet?

Holy moly...it's like 3 grand....

There must be something cheaper for the average consumer...

Holy moly...it's like 3 grand....

There must be something cheaper for the average consumer...
There is but it won't be as good. Although your average consumer would never buy an external scaler. Most people on this forum aren't average consumers when it comes to Audio and Video.

FYI - I am using a hdcp stripper to get the VP50 to allow the RGB ports to work, and its working very well.

Going hdmi in vs Y Pb Pr in is a hughe difference in quality.

Which stripper are you using?

There is but it won't be as good. Although your average consumer would never buy an external scaler. Most people on this forum aren't average consumers when it comes to Audio and Video.

Yea, I get that I'm outta my league in here.
That said, and I apologize for any thread hijacking, but is there a more reasonably priced unit that will do a similar type job...??

Thanks

Rickkins - Please start another thread as this has nothing to do with the DVDO iScan VP50

Right...sorry.

I had a fellow here on AVS make me one. Its only DVI to DVI, but with the right cables, it works just fine with the DVDO VP50.

Can you tell me what firmware your using to get 1080p/24 in? Also, what do I have to do in terms of setup to make that happen on the VP50? Or is it a simple matter of just picking HDMI1, and it will just lock onto a 1080p24 singal and deal with it?

Oh, how can I tell what my firmware is, and is updating it easy? I assume its done via RS232. I have had no reason to even look for upgrades, its been falwless prodcut for me so far.


Thanks Josh.

Can you tell me what firmware your using to get 1080p/24 in?
It was with version 1.01

Also, what do I have to do in terms of setup to make that happen on the VP50?
I had to select "Direct" on the Sony, which for BD content is 1080p-24.
Or is it a simple matter of just picking HDMI1, and it will just lock onto a 1080p24 singal and deal with it?
Yes, note that if you would like to change the output framerate that you need to adjust here:

Output Setup->Framerate->24Hz->(Select Framerate)

Oh, how can I tell what my firmware is, and is updating it easy? I assume its done via RS232. I have had no reason to even look for upgrades, its been flawless prodcut for me so far.

Updating is done via the serial terminal and all details and software can be found here:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/vp.php

The Sony R70XBR2 TV pops up dialogs "Unsupported audio signal. Check your device output." anytime it detects missing audio in the HDMI input. I have all my audio from the VP50 running to my pre-amp so don't use HDMI audio input on the TV. Unfortunately the Sony TV has no way to turn off this device.

I'm running 1080p HDMI to the TV, is there any solution to forcing a silent HDMI audio output stream? Anyone have ideas on how to hack around this? One suggestion was to use HDMI->DVI adapter to filter out the audio but I'm hesitant to do this due to possible video signal degradation.

Any ideas or suggestions!? I'm sure someone has something clever ;)

Josh,

Does the VP50 work with PS3's HDMI output and the Sharp 45 inch GX panel (bypassed the AVC) at 1080p that you have in house? I can't get mine to work. The panel is HDCP compliant but for some reason I can not get the VP50 to work properly the PS3's HDMI signal at any resolution.

Abbas

Josh,

Does the VP50 work with PS3's HDMI output and the Sharp 45 inch GX panel (bypassed the AVC) at 1080p that you have in house? I can't get mine to work. The panel is HDCP compliant but for some reason I can not get the VP50 to work properly the PS3's HDMI signal at any resolution.
Abbas

Abbas, I have the exact same setup as you...PS3 out via HDMI to the VP50, and then out the VP50 direct to the 45GX6U without the AVC in the setup at all. It works fine for me although the VP50 does occasionally get a HDCP error (flashing blue light) and I have to turn it off and back on to get it to come back. The error usually happens when I start a BD movie for instance or sometimes when i just turn the PS3 on and switch to its input. All resolutions work for me from 480p through 1080p.

Now for another question perhaps for someone who knows best, is it better to send the VP50 1080i for Bluray movies and let the VP50 deinterlace or just send it 1080p60 from the PS3? I cant say i notice much difference either way.

Updating is done via the serial terminal and all details and software can be found here:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/vp.php

Hi Josh,

I am very interested to hear how plans are going to include a fix for the 1080p/24 image instability in the next VP50 firmware release.
Regards

Bejoro - Have you received your replacement power supply yet?

Power supply:
The German distributor sent me not the original power supply that came with my VP50 (after 2 months). It is completely different (much cheaper version, different power plug, much smaller). Aaron wrote, the power supply must have 6V/7A. The power supply I have got from the German distributor has only 6V/5A. I have sent a photo of the (wrong) power supply to Aaron. Aaron told me to clarify this and now I am waiting again.

White sparkling pixels:
I have changed my brightness and contrast settings of the component and RGBS input from default values to new values some days ago. Maybe that causes the white sparkling pixels in mid/low gray/light areas.

@all
A high end audio manufacturer with this sad quality awareness would be out of business very soon. Why do we accept this with $5000 home cinema equipment?

White sparkling pixels:
I have changed my brightness and contrast settings of the component and RGBS input from default values to new values some days ago. Maybe that causes the white sparkling pixels in mid/low gray/light areas.
Is this with PReP turned on or off? With video content only or also with film content? I also had white sparkling pixels with the 1.01 beta and I believe (due to where the pixels where) that these pixels were caused by the diagonal edge processing. I've sent a bug report to DVDO and downdated to the official 1.00 software and the white pixels were gone again.

[QUOTE=bejoro]Power supply:
The German distributor sent me not the original power supply that came with my VP50 (after 2 months). It is completely different (much cheaper version, different power plug, much smaller). Aaron wrote, the power supply must have 6V/7A. The power supply I have got from the German distributor has only 6V/5A. I have sent a photo of the (wrong) power supply to Aaron. Aaron told me to clarify this and now I am waiting again.

My guess is that the distributor sent you a VP-30 power supply which is different.
Check with them again

The VP50 will accept 1080p-24 in, I have confirmed this with the Sony BD player.

Thanks for the confirmation; I don't as yet have a 1080p-24 source, but it is nice to know that it will work when I get one.

And I guess I'm still lucky - my VP50 with the beta still has no problem seeing or handling 1080p out of my PS3, via HDMI input. PS3 sending audio via toslink - I probably should try the audio via hdmi option, but right now its working fine, so I hate to mess with it. :)

[QUOTE=bejoro]Power supply:
The German distributor sent me not the original power supply that came with my VP50 (after 2 months). It is completely different (much cheaper version, different power plug, much smaller). Aaron wrote, the power supply must have 6V/7A. The power supply I have got from the German distributor has only 6V/5A. I have sent a photo of the (wrong) power supply to Aaron. Aaron told me to clarify this and now I am waiting again.

My guess is that the distributor sent you a VP-30 power supply which is different.
Check with them again

Thanks! DVDO and the German distributor are checking all this since more than two months. And now they are checking again. I am very disappointed.

@Josh/DVDO

The sparkling pixels will appear more and more if you increase the contrast parameter of a component input in the "Picture adjust" menu beyond +2 or +3 or decrease contrast below -2 or -3. Even at zero you have sparkling pixels but very seldom. The sparkling white pixels appear, I think, only in mid dark an dark areas of the picture, no one in very dark/black or very light/white areas.

Tested with YPbPr input, Signal 576p@50
Tested with RGBS input, Signal 576i@50

I did not notice this problem with HDMI output from VP50 to my (returned, because of green blob) Sony SXRD 70" rear projection device. At present I am not able to test HDMI output because I have only a 576p/YPbPr output device.

Anyone have ideas on how to hack around this? One suggestion was to use HDMI->DVI adapter to filter out the audio but I'm hesitant to do this due to possible video signal degradation.

Hello,

This will not have an effect on the audio - unless you send your output from the VP50 to a DVI input. Audio is embedded in the video stream in the data "island" outside of the active (viewable) pixels. The only way you can force an HDMI output to turn off it's audio output without re-programming the source device, is to tell the TMDS link that it is in DVI-Compatibility-Mode (where the source will not encode audio into the video signal) by using a DVI only input on the display.

The HDMI-to-DVI adapters are just plug adapters - they don't have any intelligence or processing, but plugging into a DVI input on a device will notify the source (via the TMDS handshake) that it is a DVI display - so it's simply a side effect of using an adapter to send an HDMI output to a DVI input, not a result of the adapter being in-path, that the audio goes away.

HDMI and DVI are very complicated (unreliable?) interfaces that have complex two-way communication and handshaking (EDID, HDCP, TMDS-Setup, CEC, etc.). I've seen a lot of comments on this thread that sound like people are still under the assumption that it is as simple as plugging in a composite video cable (which is a poor and grossly-uninformed assumption). It's my opinion that it's a miracle that any DVI or HDMI devices plugged into eachother result in a picture due to poor guidance and policing of the interface. Anyway so many features are "optional" under the standards that half of you will be buying "HDMI 1.3 Compliant" devices in the next few months that don't actually add anything over what was available in HDMI 1.1 :eek:.

HDMI has so much working in the background that consumers are not allowed to know about that it makes trouble shooting in the field all but impossible. This frustration is why I quit working with CE devices last December (can't say who for).


To turn off the audio - DVDO must simply repeat the "bug" that locked up the HDMI audio output, but this time give it a menu option :D.

Cheers!

-LD :cool:

I had the same problem. Actually the Sony will only accept 2 channel stereo over HDMI thus the pop-up as "unsupported audio stream" when 5.1 is output from VP-50. Very annoying since it comes with every channel change. You could use set your input devices to stereo-not acceptable to me.

I ran HDMI to my receiver from VP-50 and then to Sony. The receiver allows output to speaker or to display but not both. So the audio is "stripped" in a sense

I was wondering if someone on this forum could help me out. I have my VP50 hooked into my reciever. When I hook my PS3 into the VP50 via HDMI, the picture is great, but thier is a loud, continious high pitched sound that comes out of my speakers when the PS3 is on. Someone on this forum wrote about this problem with thier HD DVD player...
The fix is to install the latest beta firmware (1.01?) from the DVDO web site. I had this problem with an HD-A1 until I installed this firmware. Now 5.1 channel PCM mostly works, but sometimes it comes up as 2 channel (L&R only). Switching the VP50 to another input then switching back usually gets 5.1 channels of PCM to work. I just got a PS3 a few weeks ago and it works fine with the latest firmware, but has the same 2 channel issue sometimes.

When using the Auto-Priority feature, if I set for example HDMI 1 to 1, and HDMI 2 to 2, and S-Video to 3, that it remains on HDMI 1 even if the others are on?

When using the Auto-Priority feature, if I set for example HDMI 1 to 1, and HDMI 2 to 2, and S-Video to 3, that it remains on HDMI 1 even if the others are on?

Yes.
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Axel

Sorry, asked my question wrong... didn't read what I wrote :)

What I meant to say was:

When using the Auto-Priority feature, if I set for example HDMI 1 to 1, and HDMI 2 to 2, and S-Video to 3, the VP50 remains on HDMI 1 even if that one is off and the others are on. Shouldn't it go to the next input on the priority list?

Josh, in a recent reply you indicated how to get the VP50 to accept/pass 1080p 24Hz@60 from a Sony BD player. Is this true for a Blu-Ray disc from a PS3 to the VP50 via HDMI as well? My projector (Sony VPL-VW50 "Pearl") will accept this scan rate and I would appreciate understanding the best way to set both the VP50 and "Pearl", as I don't know how to change the PS3's output. Thanks!

The PS3 is not capable of outputting 1080p-24 although I have heard there may be plans for a firmware update that changes that.

For a Pearl, I would think that 1080i-60 out of the PS3 into the VP50 and 1080p-48 out to the Pearl would be the best (for film based content).

Sorry, asked my question wrong... didn't read what I wrote :)

What I meant to say was:

When using the Auto-Priority feature, if I set for example HDMI 1 to 1, and HDMI 2 to 2, and S-Video to 3, the VP50 remains on HDMI 1 even if that one is off and the others are on. Shouldn't it go to the next input on the priority list?

Yes. :)
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Axel

The PS3 is not capable of outputting 1080p-24 although I have heard there may be plans for a firmware update that changes that.

For a Pearl, I would think that 1080i-60 out of the PS3 into the VP50 and 1080p-48 out to the Pearl would be the best (for film based content).

Yep can confirm this, watched Ice Age 2 at the weekend with this config and look very nice. ;)

There are issues with outputing p24 from the VP50 to the Pearl at the moment but p48 looks as good and is a lot more stable.

I don't know what the PS3 does internally to convert BD 1080p24 into 1080i60 but the VP50 seems more then happy to produce a very nice picture from it.

Sorry, asked my question wrong... didn't read what I wrote :)

What I meant to say was:

When using the Auto-Priority feature, if I set for example HDMI 1 to 1, and HDMI 2 to 2, and S-Video to 3, the VP50 remains on HDMI 1 even if that one is off and the others are on. Shouldn't it go to the next input on the priority list?Someone else on this or the VP30 thread had the same problem and mentioned that the root cause was that his hdmi input device still had a connection with the VP50 even when his hdmi input device was in standby. Reason was that his device kept "sync" or something. Maybe you have the same issue. You could check this by removing power from you hdmi input device (or remove the hdmi cable). Then, it should go to the next in priority.

Does this mean that I need to keep removing the cable to lose sync? Would seem easier just to directly choose the input if that was the case.

Sorry, asked my question wrong... didn't read what I wrote :)

What I meant to say was:

When using the Auto-Priority feature, if I set for example HDMI 1 to 1, and HDMI 2 to 2, and S-Video to 3, the VP50 remains on HDMI 1 even if that one is off and the others are on. Shouldn't it go to the next input on the priority list?

Yes, it should, but it doesn't. A real pain. I've asked DVDO a few times, but never got a response. My problem has been with my OPPO 970 (HDMI). If I have the input as #1 priority (with auto on), and turn it off, it DOES NOT go to the next priority. It stays stuck on the 970, even though it is off. When I display the INFO screen, it indicates no signal, but still does not switch. I personally think this is a bug and I wish they would fix it. SJ

That's exactly what is happening to mine, I have the Oppo 970 via HDMI 1 set to autopriority #4, but if I switch it off and swith something on priority 5+ it remains on HDMI 1.

It's not just HDMI either, happens to my S-Video input too.

Exchange power supply for my VP50:

I have reported some negative things, now I have to be fair:

I think ABT/DVDO was tired to clarify my power supply issue with the German distributor (Image Vertriebs GmbH company), Aaron Smith has sent the correct power supply directly from USA to Germany, in only 2 days!

I will test the new power supply and report the results immediately.

Does this mean that I need to keep removing the cable to lose sync? Would seem easier just to directly choose the input if that was the case.Just to test if the device maintains some signal while in standby.

Exchange power supply for my VP50:

I have reported some negative things, now I have to be fair:

I think ABT/DVDO was tired to clarify my power supply issue with the German distributor (Image Vertriebs GmbH company), Aaron Smith has sent the correct power supply directly from USA to Germany, in only 2 days!

I will test the new power supply and report the results immediately.

I have tested the new power supply. Unfortunately there are no changes regarding the reported problems. Still chirps and noise and the white sparkling pixels.

I think about to give my VP50 back and purchase a Crystalio II. But I have to find out whether PMS has also serious problems with the Crystalio II video processor.

why you don't ask for en exchange vp50 ? then ?

i have the vp50 and i only have some software issues and i think they will be solved
"I HOPE SO JOSH :-))) "

Yes, I have already asked Aaron Smith, what we gonna do now. If they are not able to solve the reported problems or exchange my unit to a brand new and perfect working one, I will give the VP50 back an purchase a Crystalio II.

Exchange power supply for my VP50:

I have reported some negative things, now I have to be fair:

I think ABT/DVDO was tired to clarify my power supply issue with the German distributor (Image Vertriebs GmbH company), Aaron Smith has sent the correct power supply directly from USA to Germany, in only 2 days!

I will test the new power supply and report the results immediately.

The problem with europe in these cases is that it all depends on the local dealers or exclusive access points a brand has with the usa counterpart. All i can say is that in the Netherlands its been great not only in support themselfs but also in 'stepping aside' when needed and allowing direct support/upgrade/shipping help from the states. Problem with that ofcourse is that dvdo doesn't have full control of the this so it depends a little per country. Infact i found that most av brands ive used are very open if you talk to their local importer (optoma, infocus, denon, dvdo etc etc). I guess they still see 'ht' freaks as a good source of continued sales and take care of you. At times shops or second line dealers are alot less easy. So talk to the importer directly or just ask a brand what store/place they prefer in your country.

Daniel.

i do have following problem, i have a LG 47" LCD monitor (european model) but should be the same as the US one.

users and Manual ar reporting that 1920x1080 with 59,94hz will work via PC
but with the VP50 i always get the overscan ?
how it is possible to scan the settings ? with witch advance settings should i start to scann h-front h-back ???

Hello

I have been trying for ages to get vp50 to do 1:1 pixel mapping with my display (zenith 60 inch - p60w26) but no luck. THe display is native 1280x720 and according to the manual, it says for 1280x720 horizontal frequency should be 52.4 Khz and 69.98 Hz for vertical frequency. The problem is, I do not know what values I need to use (h-front, h-back, h-sync, v-front, v-back, v-sync) to achieve such frequency. So i was hoping experts on this forum would help me out.

Also, I was wondering is vertical frequency same as the framerate? I am wondering since at 1280x720, the vertical frequency on my display needs to be at 69.98 Hz but most sources are 60 Hz. Am I correct on this?

Thank you in advance

i do have following problem, i have a LG 47" LCD monitor (european model) but should be the same as the US one.

users and Manual ar reporting that 1920x1080 with 59,94hz will work via PC
but with the VP50 i always get the overscan ?
how it is possible to scan the settings ? with witch advance settings should i start to scann h-front h-back ???

Accepting 1080p and displaying 1080p with no overscan are two totally different things. The display does accept 1080p, per the specs, but when a VP50 sends this signal to the display it is easy to verify that this display does additional processing causing the image to be overscanned. This can be addressed in the Advanced Settings of the 'Format' menu, or more easily by adjusting the 'Underscan' control (Output Setup->Aspect Ratio->Underscan).

Accepting 1080p and displaying 1080p with no overscan are two totally different things. The display does accept 1080p, per the specs, but when a VP50 sends this signal to the display it is easy to verify that this display does additional processing causing the image to be overscanned. This can be addressed in the Advanced Settings of the 'Format' menu, or more easily by adjusting the 'Underscan' control (Output Setup->Aspect Ratio->Underscan).

hi josh
thxns for your response, but with the underscan feature you have no correct 1:1 pixelmaing i think (or i'M wrong?)

the display is capable of address 1920x1080p with 60hz with no overscan. if you use a pc and connect either dvi to the hdmi input oder hdmi to hdmi you will have a full 1:1 maping. so there must be a difference to this vp50 output signal ?
it is working with 576p, vga, svga,xvga and 1366x768 an several other resolution only the 1080p60 is not display without overscan.

is it also correct that the 1080p50, 1080p25 and 1080p24 is greyed out in the presets ?

Have you tried to connect a pc to the display and use Moninfo (http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm) to read the EDID? I used it to get right custom resolution settings for Vantage HD (before I swapped to VP50).

I would like to run two displays out of the VP50 - LCD and front projector, not necessarily at the same time. Was looking at HDMI splitters. The Monoprice seems to be hit-or-miss. I am seriously considering the Gefen model, they seem to have more reliable products. With all of the HDCP/HDMI issues, I don't want to waste my money if it does not work at all.
Anyone have experience with these devices?

I would like to run two displays out of the VP50 - LCD and front projector, not necessarily at the same time. Was looking at HDMI splitters. The Monoprice seems to be hit-or-miss. I am seriously considering the Gefen model, they seem to have more reliable products. With all of the HDCP/HDMI issues, I don't want to waste my money if it does not work at all.
Anyone have experience with these devices?

Take a look at the Octava 3:2 switch too, works well in my simular setup.

so i got the problem with my lg it wass a setting at the monitor :-(
i hate lg they have such stupid manual (not like the us model)

so i got the problem with my lg it wass a setting at the monitor :-(
i hate lg they have such stupid manual (not like the us model)

Well... Atleast you're able to get 1:1. I have Pioneer PDP-507XA (european 5070HD) hooked to my VP50 and there's no way to get 1:1 with it. HDMI accepts only 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p24 (all with overscan), and I'm trying to find out which is optimal for SD (TV & DVDs). Obviously 1080p24 would be excellent, but since we have 50Hz pal system over here, there's no way to convert 576i50 without judder. I'm really waiting for those new Pioneers, I'm gonna get the 1080p model this time...

Are there other Pioneer 5070/507 owners with VP50? What signal are you feeding from VP50 with SD? Have you tried 1080p24 with 60Hz SD?

-Johannes

i do have following problem, i have a LG 47" LCD monitor (european model) but should be the same as the US one.

users and Manual ar reporting that 1920x1080 with 59,94hz will work via PC
but with the VP50 i always get the overscan ?
how it is possible to scan the settings ? with witch advance settings should i start to scann h-front h-back ???

It is very unlikely that a lower end display like your LG would bother with having 1:1 pixel mapping.

It is very unlikely that a lower end display like your LG would bother with having 1:1 pixel mapping.

my lower end display has 1:1 mapping, it also excapt 24P 25P 30P 50P and 60P via 1080P !!!!!!!

the reason wy i bought a lower end display is, the price fall and the higher priced display has also all problems (i had a sharp d62 before).
and i'm not spending more then 2000 € for a displa witch has bugs (banding, fogging, overscan or other bad things)

No, LG is one of the companies that almost always support 1:1. Actuallly LG make some of the best panelsin the business. They may save a little in the electronics part, but who cares, we are using VP's right? Except Pannys pro models, some of the LG models should be one of the best choices when using VP.

Hello,

I have a problem with the HDCP authentication, my system is :

DVD player : Arcam DV137 (outlet in HDMI 480i/576i but with other resolution this is the same problem)
DVDO VP50 V1.01 (Input adjust, HDCP mode :on & output setup, HDCP mode : on)
Beamer : Sony VPL-VW100 (inlet DVI)

HDMI cable :
DVD-DVDO => 3m HDMI-HDMI IXOS
DVDO-Beamer => 11m HDMI-DVI IXOS

DVD connected directly in HDMI to the beamer in 1080p, no problem, but when I add the DVDO between... no image and the the Status LED blinking blue

What can I do ?

Thanks
David

Try switching to another input then back. I have to do this with the PS3. Sometimes it looses sync with it and the only way to get the picture back is to change input and go back. I juts hit another input, without an active source and then right away go back to the PS3 input and the picture pops up. It seems to happen when the PS3 changes resolutions. The problem didn't occur with v1.00 but it started with v1.01. V1.01 offers other improvements and I'm hopiong this problem is fixed with the next firmware upgrade. Although the PS3 is the only device I have his problem with.

I have a problem with my HTPC to. I go out with 1920*1080P 60hz and the Info on DVDO VP50 Shows as Input 1920*1080P 60hz and suddenly after a while it shows 1920*1080i and the picture has the half resolution on the Pearl.

When i go direct to the pearl the Picture has the full resolution.

Any speculaltion on what the Mid-March FW upgrade will cover?

Any speculaltion on what the Mid-March FW upgrade will cover?

noise reduction
detail enhacement
1080p24 fix
more audio fix?

1080i resolution fix.

Hai,

Personally i hope they suprise us with the 'hinted' features from day 1 called NR. But i also hope all the people with problems will get their bugfixes. I also hope dvdo will recover from their bad patch in the relation with the people on the board adding something new would be a good way if you ask me. For me some NR/BAR would be on my shopping list for my next scaler simply because SD in our country seems to be getting worse under $$ presures not better that with the jump to HD makes the gap bigger and bigger and these SD signals need all the help we can provide.

Daniel.

Hai,

Personally i hope they suprise us with the 'hinted' features from day 1 called NR. But i also hope all the people with problems will get their bugfixes. I also hope dvdo will recover from their bad patch in the relation with the people on the board adding something new would be a good way if you ask me. For me some NR/BAR would be on my shopping list for my next scaler simply because SD in our country seems to be getting worse under $$ presures not better that with the jump to HD makes the gap bigger and bigger and these SD signals need all the help we can provide.

Daniel.

Josh said the intention for the March release was to get a stable (non-beta) vesion out that included PReP, new features like NR were for a later beta release.

So hopefully at least a majority of the bugs will be fixed this month, I think VP30/VP20 owners are meant to get 1080p pass-thru this month too. :eek:

I'm soon going to buy HD DVD and Blu-Ray player to pair up with VP50 and Pioneer 507XA (which accepts 1080p24 and downscales it to 768x1365). Propably PS3 and toshiba HD-XE1.

Since PS3 and Toshiba have only 1080i output (they might get 1080p24 output later), I'll be using VP50 to reconstruct the orignal 1080p24 (film) signal. Will I get equal pq comparing to players that can output 1080p24?

Thanks!

Here's the whole system:

http://www.stencylvania.com/ht/system1.gif

My setup (http://www.stencylvania.com/ht/pics1/)

I'm soon going to buy HD DVD and Blu-Ray player to pair up with VP50 and Pioneer 507XA (which accepts 1080p24 and downscales it to 768x1365). Propably PS3 and toshiba HD-XE1.

Since PS3 and Toshiba have only 1080i output (they might get 1080p24 output later), I'll be using VP50 to reconstruct the orignal 1080p24 (film) signal. Will I get equal pq comparing to players that can output 1080p24?

Thanks!

Here's the whole system:

http://www.stencylvania.com/ht/system1.gif

My setup (http://www.stencylvania.com/ht/pics1/)
I am just curious about your future plan. No audio receiver? How do you plan on doing audio with VP50? I have a similar setup.

Here's the whole system:
My setup (http://www.stencylvania.com/ht/pics1/)You will want to hold off routing any progressive scan gaming devices (like the PS3 and Gamecube) through the VP50 until DVDO allows an option to turn off the 3-frame delay to all progressive sources that was introduced with the VP50's progressive cadence detection. Until then, you actually get better responsiveness with interlaced game consoles! (With game mode deinterlacing, of course. If deinterlacing is set to Auto, interlaced and progressive sources have the same delay.)

Hey, speaking of what needs to be in the next firmware...

One of the better features of the iScan product line is the locked frame rate/frame rate conversion feature. I.e. the possibility to "transform" a 60Hz NTSC movie with 3:2 pulldown to a 48 or 72 Hz (2:2 or 3:3) sequence without the infamous NTSC judder. The iScans even provide a possibility to set this separately for 50 and 60Hz sources.

For 50Hz, this functionality is complete, either video or film can be perfectly locked to 50Hz or 75 Hz (2:2 or 3:3).

But for NTSC country there is a problem: 60Hz film can be moved to 48Hz or 72Hz, but 60Hz video must stay at 60Hz!

This requires matching of the output FR with the source, video or film. In order to do so you have to know (or see) what your source is. Because the iScan does not provide information to the end user about its opinion of the source, you have to asses this yourself. After assessment, you could switch to an output profile made for the two cases.

I was wondering: has this never come up? I mean, a feature request for separate output frame rates dependant on the source video/film for NTSC. Or is this already possible? Or is this idea just nonsense?

I was wondering: has this never come up? I mean, a feature request for separate output frame rates dependant on the source video/film for NTSC. Or is this already possible? Or is this idea just nonsense?

It seems to me that something like that would be a nightmare to implement, especially on any content that has bad edits in the cadence. The scaler would continually try to switch back and forth between frame rates, causing most displays to continually lose sync and black out.

Is this a CLONE???

http://www.jvcpro-australia.com/JVCPRO/jsp/c_products_details.jsp?catID=9&prodID=342

Thanks

Ben

It seems to me that something like that would be a nightmare to implement, especially on any content that has bad edits in the cadence. The scaler would continually try to switch back and forth between frame rates, causing most displays to continually lose sync and black out.Yeah, I see your point.

How about just setting and fixing the FRC to 60Hz -> 48Hz. Now, assume video frames are coming in. The iScan deinterlaces the 60Hz (interlaced) fields and creates 60Hz (progressive) frames. But because of the choosen 48Hz FR it must trow away 1 frame out of 5 to get to 48Hz. So I then get an kind of "inverted" judder with video?

I have a problem with my HTPC to. I go out with 1920*1080P 60hz and the Info on DVDO VP50 Shows as Input 1920*1080P 60hz and suddenly after a while it shows 1920*1080i and the picture has the half resolution on the Pearl.

When i go direct to the pearl the Picture has the full resolution.

Problem solved it was my Graphikcard.

greets

Is this a CLONE???

http://www.jvcpro-australia.com/JVCPRO/jsp/c_products_details.jsp?catID=9&prodID=342

It's an OEM version of the VP30 (not a VP50 because it doesn't look like it has a "VRS" logo in the bottom corner, instead it has the old "Powered by ABT" logo which Anchor Bay doesn't use anymore). Looks like it's running custom JVC software too...

Cheers!

-LD :cool:

it's just some basic hardware etc., it uses DCDi as explained in the PDF, so it isn't a DVDO in anyway ;)

-Gary

http://www.jvcpro-australia.com/JVCPRO/jsp/c_products_details.jsp?catID=9&prodID=342


This is an iScan VP30 that is OEM'd by JVC.

Here are some other examples:

http://www.vehda.co.uk/ - VP20
http://www.cineversum.com/pdf/bw-web_3pages.pdf - VP50

it's just some basic hardware etc., it uses DCDi as explained in the PDF, so it isn't a DVDO in anyway ;)I think you're looking at the description of the "high-performance, high-end" processor. The LD-HD1K "AV hub processor" is, in fact, an OEM'ed VP30 (without the ABT102 card, I think).

- Dale Adams

I think you're looking at the description of the "high-performance, high-end" processor. The LD-HD1K "AV hub processor" is, in fact, an OEM'ed VP30 (without the ABT102 card, I think).

- Dale Adams

You are correct, Sir!

Emails crossing in the night . . . errr, day . . . . errr, ether. . .

Oh, whatever. . . :D

- Dale Adams

Question!

I'm feeding a 640x480 VGA signal to my VP50 via a VGA to BNC cable. The image displays on the screen, but it's shifted slightly to the left and there's no way for me to change it. I tried the VP50's "Pan" option, but this option isn't adjustable in BNC input mode (at least in 1.01).

Can I pan the image from a VGA signal in Firmware 1.0, or am I just screwed? (There is no possible way to adjust the image output from the source).

Here's an image with a crosshatch test from the source; notice how the left part of the crosshatch doesn't show all the way. I mainly wanted to highlight the info box, anyway:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5738/bncnz9.th.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bncnz9.jpg)

Any help is welcome!

You will want to hold off routing any progressive scan gaming devices (like the PS3 and Gamecube) through the VP50 until DVDO allows an option to turn off the 3-frame delay to all progressive sources that was introduced with the VP50's progressive cadence detection. Until then, you actually get better responsiveness with interlaced game consoles! (With game mode deinterlacing, of course. If deinterlacing is set to Auto, interlaced and progressive sources have the same delay.)

Hey, speaking of what needs to be in the next firmware...

Thanks. This is true, I tried to play some PS2 games through Vantage, but the delay made it impossible.

What do you think about the 1080i film signal from HD DVD and Blu-Ray? Is VP50 able to reproduce the original 1080p24 so flawlessly that I shouldn't wait for players with 1080p24 output?

-J

What do you think about the 1080i film signal from HD DVD and Blu-Ray? Is VP50 able to reproduce the original 1080p24 so flawlessly that I shouldn't wait for players with 1080p24 output?

-J

I can say YES to that with no question or hesitation :cool:

-Gary

I can say YES to that with no question or hesitation :cool:

-Gary

Perfect! :D

Got today my replacement VP50 from the local dealer. The whole replacement process was very quick and smooth, thanks to DVDO crew and finnish importer.

I just installed the beta firmware with no problems. My cable tv box has only 576p (no 576i) output via HDMI/component (typical bob deinterlacing I guess) and now that I get to compare, I must say the VP50 with PReP turned on does wonders to crappy regular tv signal.

Excellent unit, fits my needs a lot better than the Vantage, although it was quite impressive aswell. I'm very satisfaid... For now :rolleyes:

i do have following problem, i have a LG 47" LCD monitor (european model) but should be the same as the US one.

users and Manual ar reporting that 1920x1080 with 59,94hz will work via PC
but with the VP50 i always get the overscan ?
how it is possible to scan the settings ? with witch advance settings should i start to scann h-front h-back ???
Some displays overscan 1080p if you connect via HDMI connector, but will give 1:1 pixel match over DVI connector.

If this is the case, the downside is that DVI connector is unlikely to work at 50Hz for your local broadcast / Region 2 DVD material.

Some displays that force overscan can have this disabled in the Service Menus, it could be worth obtaining the Service Manual for your display; these documents provide the remote control key combinations required to enter the Service Menus.

StooMonster

Try switching to another input then back. I have to do this with the PS3. Sometimes it looses sync with it and the only way to get the picture back is to change input and go back. I juts hit another input, without an active source and then right away go back to the PS3 input and the picture pops up. It seems to happen when the PS3 changes resolutions. The problem didn't occur with v1.00 but it started with v1.01. V1.01 offers other improvements and I'm hopiong this problem is fixed with the next firmware upgrade. Although the PS3 is the only device I have his problem with.


I do the test, but that don't work !
still my problem au HDCP autentication (Status LED blinking in Blue) but I have also some time the status LED blinking in green! what does it mean?

thanks
David

I've only recently tried to set up my DVDO iScan VP50. I could swear that the other night I was getting useful results, but tonight I only got these crazy scrambled looking screens no matter what I tried. I tried different sources, different input types (s video, component, hdmi) different input resolutions and always it looked something more or less like this (assuming the screen shot I uploaded makes it). I tried different cables. I reset to factory defaults.

One constant is the display, a Toshiba 20HLV86 LCD TV. Also, I only used the HDMI output to connect the DVDO to the Toshiba. I was able to get fine images out of it running my various sources in directly over component and HDMI. The OSD worked fine.

What does this mean? Have I got a defective unit on my hands or have I done something silly?

Are you using Beta 1.01? Is the unit hooked up to a switched outlet?

I've only recently tried to set up my DVDO iScan VP50. I could swear that the other night I was getting useful results, but tonight I only got these crazy scrambled looking screens no matter what I tried. I tried different sources, different input types (s video, component, hdmi) different input resolutions and always it looked something more or less like this (assuming the screen shot I uploaded makes it). I tried different cables. I reset to factory defaults.

One constant is the display, a Toshiba 20HLV86 LCD TV. Also, I only used the HDMI output to connect the DVDO to the Toshiba. I was able to get fine images out of it running my various sources in directly over component and HDMI. The OSD worked fine.

What does this mean? Have I got a defective unit on my hands or have I done something silly?

WELL, funny that you posted that picture of what yours is doing because mine has done that SAME thing in the past (has not done it for 2 months) but last night I had the same problem and I hope that DVDO addresses it because fixing it is a pain in the a$$.

How I fixed it :

1. reset to factory default
2. Disconnect ALL sources(video only) and output ( hdmi ) cable
3. Remove the AC adapter from the wall for 15(or so) minutes
4. Make sure your TV(video display) is turned on and connected to the VP50
5. Connect 1 video source to the VP50
6. Plug in the VP50 and if all goes well, it should work fine, if not, redo all steps 1 thru 6 but make sure the ac adapter is out of the wall for a longer period of time.



DVDO, P-L-E-A-S-E fix this problem, it has haunted me for some time, it occurs at random and I cannot recreate this and send it to you because by the time you plug it back in, it will have vanished.

Jim

Are you using Beta 1.01? Is the unit hooked up to a switched outlet?


I am using Beta 1.01 and attached to a dedicated outlet(unswitched).

In my experience you simply need to remove the AC power from the DVDO unit for a few minutes -- either pull power plug from wall socket or DC from rear of unit.

If it still does it upon power-up after five minutes, leave it for ten then try again.

StooMonster

Often, simply disconnecting any and all hdmi sources will also fix it. Back with my 30, I'd get the occasional lockup, and after awhile I discovered that removing the HDMI input was all it took - and the cycle power, of course. Might not help, but much easier than what Jim has to do. I only had to resort to factory default once - that was after I pushed the output to a resolution my crt didn't display properly. No idea why that would bother the DVDO, but it did. ?

I know that my procedure is complicated but in my situation it is a necessity. I have the VP50 connected to a Gefen HDMI splitter and it does not play well with the VP50, so I need to take it out of the loop to get things going again. After it is working, then I can reconnect the splitter without problems.

WELL, funny that you posted that picture of what yours is doing because mine has done that SAME thing in the past (has not done it for 2 months) but last night I had the same problem and I hope that DVDO addresses it because fixing it is a pain in the a$$.

DVDO, P-L-E-A-S-E fix this problem, it has haunted me for some time, it occurs at random and I cannot recreate this and send it to you because by the time you plug it back in, it will have vanished.

Jim

I had the same problem. I did a hard reset and put it on unswitched outlet. Switched outlet gave me the same fuzzy picture. DVDO suggested to reload to the original 1.0 and the unit works in a switched or unswitched.

I wanted this solved. At first DVDO said it could be a 1.01 bug, later I emailed again and wanted to rule out the power supply a 6v@6A instead of the 6V@7a. Aaron said he'd check with engineering and came back telling me it was a hardware issue. He asked me if I'd object to sending the unit back, I said no objection and I'm sending it back on Monday as I wanted to test the VP50 1.0 on the JVC RS1 on Friday.

Bummer got to send it back. HARDWARE ISSUE. HOT UNIT IN UNSWITCHED.

Thanks for sending it back, for me it is a ROYAL pain since I rely on it so much. I hope they find out the issue so it can be fixed. Please let us know what the results are.

I've had the video corruption issue on my VP50 since 1.0. In my setup if the unit is on and AC power is cycled it will get into a permanent corruption mode as others have seen. The only remedy I have found is full hardware reset, which is annoying because you lose settings. I am now very cautious about power cycling the unit with a switched outlet. Putting the unit into standby first seems to avoid the issue. Unfortunately DVDO does not offer a reboot option, so it is occasionally necessary to pull power. Luckily a full reboot seems less essential nowadays since the AC3 audio loss issue can be resolved by switching inputs rather than a reboot.

- Collin

Is the forthcoming Noise Reduction feature goin to help with mosquito noise and MPEG blocks? If not, those would be excellent features for future updates.

I noticed that the VP50 (PSU?) is causing some humming from my subwoofer. When I feed it 576p signal, I don't notice it but with 720p it's stronger and with 1080i really strong. Weird... My DVD player was connected to VP50 with component cables and optical cable and also with coaxial cable to my amp. When I removed the coaxial cable the humming stopped.

Similar humming has been reported in AV Forums's thread (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402492). Is there some kind of problem with the PSU, should it be changed?

I have a Sammy HLS-5087 (50" 1080p DLP TV) which unfortunately does not do 1:1 pixel mapping.

I have a PS3, XBOX 360 with HD-DVD addon, comcast cable (with HD), and Starchoice DBS (with HD).

Would a VP50 provide me an upgrade in picture or is not worth it considering my TV doesn't do 1:1 pixel mapping?

Ideally I'd like to upconvert everything (Except the PS3, which I would leave directly connected to the TV) to 1080p.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

I can't thank everyone enough who responded to my post about the scrambled screen coming out of my VP50. I removed all the cables, including power, for about 15 minutes and lo and behold the problem did in fact clear up! Whew. Thanks!

I removed all the cables, including power, for about 15 minutes and lo and behold the problem did in fact clear up! Whew. Thanks!

And on the one hand, I would be among the first to jump in and trash on DVDO, re how stupid it is, that one has to go thru so many hoops just to keep a 3k piece of equipment operational. Equipment that really seems to be as far along in life cycle as a Ford Crown Victoria.....

But in the last week I've had major equipment failures, or at least lockups, in every aspect of my life - must have been the lunar eclipse. My Nikon N90S locked up, and I had to go thru a procedural list as arcane as Jim's above to get it back online. :( My Toyota Hybrid Highlander all of a sudden has started experiencing some kind of drivetrain/computer glitch that lets me stall when I enter traffic. (and its a 35k piece of equipment!) And now my main guitar amp, a "genuine made in Petaluma" Mesa Lonestar Special has caught fire twice in the last 4 days. :mad: - the good news on the Mesa - local tech has absolutely NO IDEA what is going on.

My ot point - I wish the VP50 functioned in a more predictable fashion - but its starting to look like the only predictable operational mode any more is disfunctional mode. Too many words? OK - anything fairly new can be expected to bork. :rolleyes: And yes, gary -- you said the same thing ten pages ago. But this week the bug bit me.

Glad to hear that your vp is working again, gkoop. At least with this forum, one can often find the proper rituals and gyrations required to get one back up and running again. ;)

:D Immediate Update :D - there is a tech bulletin about my Toyota; not only do they know about my problem (as does DVDO with all the VP50s) but, ta-da, they have a solution. Low battery voltage makes the car's brain lose memory - (must tell wife not to leave dome lite on :o ) - re-enter memory data, and the sucker is as good as new. Kudos to Toyota. :D

I finally got a chance to try out the 24Hz output with my RS1. Very nice picture, but I lose the audio. Switch back to 60Hz and the sound comes back. Anyone else have this issue?

If this has been answered before, I apologize and please direct me to the appropriate pages- I don't have time to wade through all 121 pages, and the search function never works well for me.

That said, in my Family Room upstairs, I have a new Sharp LC46D92U being fed a Comcast HDMI 1080i signal from the STB, HDMI PS3 and XBOX 360-HD for Blue Ray/HD DVD/DVD. This replaced a Toshiba 36" CRT with SD direct cable feed (no STB). This system will be used for casual TV viewing (we rarely watch), kids playing video games (I suck at them), and an occasional DVD when the wife doesn't want to go downstairs. The main system in the basement will be an Anthem D2 and Sony Pearl on 110 screen for movie viewing/big sports events/music (present Toshiba 65" 480p direct cable SD feed will hide behind a drop down screen).

I want the best pic I can achieve upstairs on the Sharp. Having seen Discovery HD, SD broadcast just doesn't cut it any more. I have "looked out the window" with HD and now can't go back. The STB will pass through unaltered 480i. I want everything to go into the Sharp as 1080p so it can just do its job as a display. How does the vp50 do with terrrestrial 480i? I have about 400 480i DVDs and plan to replace NONE of them in the future and will buy only SD/hybrid discs until the format war shakes out. After that, all HD.

I am an Orthopedic Surgeon. Tinkering is in my genes. However, at night I want as much "plug and play" as possible. Will the vp50 do what I need it to do right with a minimum of fuss, or will it require a huge amount of mental anguish to set up, thereby sucking dry what little free time I have to begin with? It has to be extremely user friendly so that once set up, my wife and kids can pretty much forget it is even there and can concentrate on enjoying things. I'm not interested in just putting another Anthem D2 or AVM50 upstairs and being done with it. I am hoping for a less expensive solution that can morph with the times.

Thanks for any feedback. PQ was always "good enough" with my previous system, especially with the killer 7.1 sound from my Lexicon DC1 in the theater. However, once I had a live shark in my room 3 nights ago when I first fired up the Sharp, I just can't stand what I'd been used to! How many times have you all heard that?!!!!

Scott

For me VP50 was quick to set up and it's very easy to use. It didn't give me as much headache as Vantage-HD as it has the front panel display (very useful when you choose a resolution your display can't handle...). And as an UI designer, I really enjoy the minimalistic yet sleek UI and intuitive usability.

VP50's deinterlacing does wonders to SD broadcast, but I still miss MPEG block noise reduction and mosquito noise reduction. I think you're really going to need those since you have a 46" LCD (LCDs are prone to exaggerate such MPEG artefacts).

In the next firmware update there will propably be some sort of noise reduction feature, but I'm not sure if it's going to able to handle MPEG artefacts without softening the image. I have my fingers crossed ;)

Still, you might want to check out Crystalio II VPS3300, but I guess the price is getting too close to AVM50.

With the Vp-50, does anyone know if the HDMI output and RGBHV analog output are active at the same time? driving both digital and analog?

Suppose you have a HDCP compliant monitor connected and powered on, and wanted to output to an analog CRT projector at the same time - would it work?

Thanks for the help.

No, I believe the output choice is mutually exclusive. You may pick either analog or digital but not both.

Barry's correct. It's one or the other. ^

For me VP50 was quick to set up and it's very easy to use. the front panel display (very useful when you choose a resolution your display can't handle...) I really enjoy the minimalistic yet sleek UI and intuitive usability.

VP50's deinterlacing does wonders to SD broadcast, but I still miss MPEG block noise reduction and mosquito noise reduction. I think you're really going to need those since you have a 46" LCD (LCDs are prone to exaggerate such MPEG artefacts).

In the next firmware update there will propably be some sort of noise reduction feature, but I'm not sure if it's going to able to handle MPEG artefacts without softening the image. I have my fingers crossed ;)


Agreed...good advice.

I have a Sharp LC42D62U.
It looks fine...from a distance.
It does need help with deinterlacing and MPEG artifacts/noise.

My VP50 is hooked up to another display.
But I am debating whether to hook it up to the Sharp.
I believe it would improve the PQ.
Although it has been reported by some that scaling to 1080p is not something the VP50 does well at the moment.

Agreed...good advice.

I have a Sharp LC42D62U.
It looks fine...from a distance.
It does need help with deinterlacing and MPEG artifacts/noise.

My VP50 is hooked up to another display.
But I am debating whether to hook it up to the Sharp.
I believe it would improve the PQ.
Although it has been reported by some that scaling to 1080p is not something the VP50 does well at the moment.

I thnk the issues are regarding 1080p 24 .. I'm not sure if there are any problems with 1080p 50 or 60hz ...

IIRC, Ofer mentioned (awhile ago) that the VP50's SCALING engine now lags behind the competition.

Have a newbie question about VP50. Component 1 is connected to 4:3 TV stations. Can you please tell me how to default to 4:3 Stretch everytime I turned on VP50 and switched to component 1. It seems that VP50 always default to 4:3 full frame with 4:3 materials. It is a bit hassle to manually switch to 4:3 Stretch.

IIRC, Ofer mentioned (awhile ago) that the VP50's SCALING engine now lags behind the competition.

I read about the same thing from AV Forums, some thought the result was oversharp even with sharpness set to -1.

I've been testing the differences of feeding my Pioneer PDP-507XA (~5070HD) resolutions 1080i, 720p and 576p with SD (the plasma doesn't take the native resolution of 768p). 1080i wasn't too good, maybe because the signal gets transformed so many times (576i>576p>1080p>1080i>1080p>768p), 720p seemed quite ok but I can't tell if it's any better than 576p (Pioneer's scaling should be quite good and choosing this output resolution would end up with least amount of transformations: 576i>576p>768p).

What resolutions are you using with 768p displays that won't accept 768p, both with SD and HD?

Tnx!

With the Vp-50, does anyone know if the HDMI output and RGBHV analog output are active at the same time? driving both digital and analog?

Suppose you have a HDCP compliant monitor connected and powered on, and wanted to output to an analog CRT projector at the same time - would it work?


The iScan VP50 is HDCP-compliant.

If the VP50 receives an HDCP signal on the input, we maintain HDCP on the output (regardless of where the 'HDCP' settings are in the 'Input Adjust' menu and the 'Output Setup' menu) and we turn off the analog outputs.

I just sent this report to DVDO-- I don't recall having seen this problem discussed here before:

I seem to have encountered a bug in my DVDO iScan VP50 (which currently has the 1.01 beta software) that I don't remember having seen reported before:

The problem occurs when I have the half-transparent color bars test pattern displayed (I'm specifically using the "H-Clr7 Bars75" pattern-- I love the idea of the half-transparent test patterns, by the way). When the input signal is YCbCr at a high definition resolution (720p or 1080i/p), it seems to get incorrectly processed with that test pattern up: the green color bar looks too intense, whereas other colors are subdued (especially compared to the colors of the test pattern). When I turn off the test pattern, however, the input signal's color bars revert back to normal-looking (it's a very obvious difference). Needless to say, this incorrect processing of the input signal while this test pattern is being displayed pretty much makes the test pattern useless for such inputs.

From the symptoms, the problem would seem to me to be that the input YCbCr values are being processed as 601 standard instead of 709 standard while the half-transparent test pattern is being displayed-- that would explain why the problem doesn't occur with standard definition or RGB input signals, and it is also consistent with green appearing too intense, etc.

My output is configured to 1080p YCbCr 4:4:4 at 60Hz or 48Hz to a Sony VPL-VW50 "Pearl" projector. I have reproduced this problem with a couple of different source devices: an Oppo DV-970HD DVD player and a Toshiba HD-XA2 HD-DVD player-- in both cases, the problem with this test pattern only occurs when the player is configured to output 720p or 1080i/p YCbCr, but not when the player is configured to output 480i/p or (in the Oppo's case) RGB at any resolution.

Also, while I have your attention, a request for a feature that I would love to see added to the VP50: per input gamma correction, like what is currently offered for output gamma correction (although just one scalar value would be fine, the separate RGB values are tedious and don't seem to add value to me).

I just sent this report to DVDO-- I don't recall having seen this problem discussed here before:

I seem to have encountered a bug in my DVDO iScan VP50 (which currently has the 1.01 beta software) that I don't remember having seen reported before:

The problem occurs when I have the half-transparent color bars test pattern displayed (I'm specifically using the "H-Clr7 Bars75" pattern-- I love the idea of the half-transparent test patterns, by the way). When the input signal is YCbCr at a high definition resolution (720p or 1080i/p), it seems to get incorrectly processed with that test pattern up: the green color bar looks too intense, whereas other colors are subdued (especially compared to the colors of the test pattern). When I turn off the test pattern, however, the input signal's color bars revert back to normal-looking (it's a very obvious difference). Needless to say, this incorrect processing of the input signal while this test pattern is being displayed pretty much makes the test pattern useless for such inputs.

From the symptoms, the problem would seem to me to be that the input YCbCr values are being processed as 601 standard instead of 709 standard while the half-transparent test pattern is being displayed-- that would explain why the problem doesn't occur with standard definition or RGB input signals, and it is also consistent with green appearing too intense, etc.

My output is configured to 1080p YCbCr 4:4:4 at 60Hz or 48Hz to a Sony VPL-VW50 "Pearl" projector. I have reproduced this problem with a couple of different source devices: an Oppo DV-970HD DVD player and a Toshiba HD-XA2 HD-DVD player-- in both cases, the problem with this test pattern only occurs when the player is configured to output 720p or 1080i/p YCbCr, but not when the player is configured to output 480i/p or (in the Oppo's case) RGB at any resolution.

Also, while I have your attention, a request for a feature that I would love to see added to the VP50: per input gamma correction, like what is currently offered for output gamma correction (although just one scalar value would be fine, the separate RGB values are tedious and don't seem to add value to me).


I too have seen this on my VP50 running the 1.0.1 beta. It appears to only happen over component inputs.

- Collin

hmm...

Sounds like a classic REC709 vs. REC601 bug...

Sounds like a classic REC709 vs. REC601 bug...

I think this has to do with the way the test patterns are drawn. As it was explained to me about a year ago on the VP30 - since the OSD and TPG are the last things in the chain, and the TGP is only available in one color space (601 I think...), this takes precedence over the actual input video signal on the output color correction algorithms.

Thus is you send a high-def (720p/1080i) signal into to iScan, is may apply the 601 conversion with the TPG active which will screw up the colors. Previously, I think they weren’t even doing the 709 conversion on the output which Gary reported earlier in this thread or the VP30 thread (I dunno – there’s more than 200 pages of long posts to go though… :o).

Cheers!

-LD :cool:

I have a Sammy HLS-5087 (50" 1080p DLP TV) which unfortunately does not do 1:1 pixel mapping.

I have a PS3, XBOX 360 with HD-DVD addon, comcast cable (with HD), and Starchoice DBS (with HD).

Would a VP50 provide me an upgrade in picture or is not worth it considering my TV doesn't do 1:1 pixel mapping?

Ideally I'd like to upconvert everything (Except the PS3, which I would leave directly connected to the TV) to 1080p.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Any thoughts? Thanks.

I think this has to do with the way the test patterns are drawn. As it was explained to me about a year ago on the VP30 - since the OSD and TPG are the last things in the chain, and the TGP is only available in one color space (601 I think...), this takes precedence over the actual input video signal on the output color correction algorithms.The test patterns are generated in 4:2:2 YCbCr. There's nothing that constrains the test pattern generation to 601 or 709 outside of the software which programs the test pattern generator hardware. I.e., the hardware can do either, but I think the software is only set up to program it for 601 colors. A new revision of the VP30 software should be able to fix this problem, but I can't say whether or not you'll ever see such a fix.

- Dale Adams

Ok, I've got a VP50 on it's way to me and want to understand the order of components... I've got a BD player and HD-DVD player that I want to connect via HDMI. I've got a Denon 3806 to process the audio from HDMI. Do I want the VP50 before the 3806 in the chain or after it? I'm outputting to a Pearl (hoping for good 1080p@24!).

Thanks!

Paul if you are wanting to use the VP50 for audio send the output of it to the Denon receiver and then the Denon out to the display

-Gary

Paul if you are wanting to use the VP50 for audio send the output of it to the Denon receiver and then the Denon out to the display

-Gary

Does the component order really matter in regards to AV quality and/or capabilities? I thought the only difference would be which component would be used for signal switching. Since the VP50 has a nice auto switching feature I would have said: “various signals” => VP50 => AVR => PJ
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Axel

It's possible the Denon will, in some way, affect the video signal. Gary, pardon my ignorance ;) Can I do what you suggested and not lose the advanced audio from the players?

Thanks,
Paul

I would do it the other way around, I have the HD-DVD go to the 3806, then to the VP50, that way I get the best audio, and not even have to worry about any possible VP50 audio problems either.

I would do it the other way around, I have the HD-DVD go to the 3806, then to the VP50, that way I get the best audio, and not even have to worry about any possible VP50 audio problems either.

Good point - even though the 1.01 beta f/w should help with the audio issues.
Does the 3806 have auto switching for the (video) inputs as well?
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Axel

Good point - even though the 1.01 beta f/w should help with the audio issues.
Does the 3806 have auto switching for the (video) inputs as well?
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Axel
Not sure, pretty sure it does as when you switch sources it will switch to whatever HDMI input is associated with that source. I'm currently using only one of the two HDMI inputs(HD-DVD) and it works flawlessly. I assume that's what you mean.

The auto switching with HDMI doesn't work for me.

Not sure, pretty sure it does as when you switch sources it will switch to whatever HDMI input is associated with that source. I'm currently using only one of the two HDMI inputs(HD-DVD) and it works flawlessly. I assume that's what you mean.

With auto-switching I mean that once a particular device is turned on the switching device, e.g. VP50, automatically switches to the respective input. If you have multiple devices "on", the VP50 determines which one to switch to based on a user definable priority list.

This feature allows me to save some clicks on the remote. I have currently 4 HDMI sources connected to my VP50: HTPC-video card, HTPC-MyHD, Tosh A1, Sony PS3 - very convenient :D.

Hope this makes it clearer.
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Axel

Ah, no. There is no priority switching in the Denon.

It worked fine when I only had one HDMI source and SDI and analogs took priority. But now that I have four it doesn't work well at all. It's almost like it thinks the hdmi port is active and switches to the highest priority one and stays there, even if the device is on.

Haven't tried unplugging the power to the hdmi souce yet to see what that does.

The VP50 will split the audio frpm HDMI and running the audio from any siource through the VP50 will utilize the advanced lip sync that the VP50 has.

Ergo all source video and audio to the VP50, VP50 video out to the PJ, VP50 audio (Toslink or coaxial) out to the AVP using the AVP only for audio.

The VP50 will split the audio frpm HDMI and running the audio from any siource through the VP50 will utilize the advanced lip sync that the VP50 has.

Ergo all source video and audio to the VP50, VP50 video out to the PJ, VP50 audio (Toslink or coaxial) out to the AVP using the AVP only for audio.

Unfortunately, by using Toslink or coax you loose the advanced audio capabilities of HDMI.
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Axel

That's what I thought.

With auto-switching I mean that once a particular device is turned on the switching device, e.g. VP50, automatically switches to the respective input. If you have multiple devices "on", the VP50 determines which one to switch to based on a user definable priority list.

This feature allows me to save some clicks on the remote. I have currently 4 HDMI sources connected to my VP50: HTPC-video card, HTPC-MyHD, Tosh A1, Sony PS3 - very convenient :D.

Hope this makes it clearer.
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Axel
As madpoet notes, there is no auto-switching with the Denon, but for anyone who uses a universal remote, such as the Harmony, it's a non-issue as the Harmony will do all the selecting of inputs and outputs for all the equipment in the chain.

I'm not aware of any AVR that does auto-switching, that's not to say there aren't any, anything's possible.

Unfortunately, by using Toslink or coax you loose the advanced audio capabilities of HDMI.
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Axel
That's the primary reason why I go to the AVR first, and then to the VP50 with my HD-DVD player.

So does the VP50 completely strip the audio track from HDMI and only output video? The 3806 will apparently pass through 1080p untouched.

So does the VP50 completely strip the audio track from HDMI and only output video? The 3806 will apparently pass through 1080p untouched.
Been awhile since I had it hooked up that way, but it should pass the HDMI audio right on to the AVR, it's just that doing it that way, every video source you have will have to be passed through the AVR as the VP50 only has one HDMI output. A second HDMI output that could be utilized for audio to a AVR would be really sweet, in fact, it's been talked about here, but there may be issues with CP and the like, not sure how well splitting HDMI signals works, if at all given the handshaking involved.

Now that I think about it a bit more, I think some here have reported it's not as cut and dried when passing hirez PCM with the VP50, I'm trying to remember the names of those folks who run it that way...

Okay, for my education what advanced audio capabilities are CURRENTLY available from what sources on HDMI that can not be handled by Toslink or Coaxial S/PDIF.

I mean right now, what can I buy that has these advanced capabilities?

BD and HD DVD players. You can't pass the uncompressed PCM over TOSLink.

I mean right now, what can I buy that has these advanced capabilities?
Here (http://www.*********************/Toshiba_HD-A2_and_HD-XA2.htm) you go.

Thanks for the info. Since I have no HD or BR player, I guess I am fine the way I operate. I intend to wait a while before taking that plunge.

I mean right now, what can I buy that has these advanced capabilities?

Right here: www.blu-raydisc.com

BD and HD DVD players. You can't pass the uncompressed PCM over TOSLink.

Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD all also get downgraded to standard DD or DTS quality over S/PDIF.

PCM 5.1 is downgraded to PCM 2.0.

Right, all of those :). If the VP50 leaves the audio untouched then I would go VP50-3806-Pearl. The 3806 just does passthru on 1080p video so it should leave it at 24hz. But if there is going to be audio issues, then I'll have to do it the other way around. Not a huge deal, just means more programming on the old universal remote!

I also go source--vp50--denon 4806--projector. The reasons are several, but most important are: 1. The Denon can turn off any video processing/conversion and still process audio alone; 2. Many cable STB's won't work direct HDMI into an AVR as they sense them as repeaters (requiring that you route thru the VP50 1st or switch to component) and I want to stay all HDMI; 3. This setup allows the closest possible I can find to allow use of DVDO's (somewhat misleading) claim of single wire A/V hub. It isn't, never will be, but this is closer than most other connections.

By the way - a bit OT, but since we're discussing best audio thru HDMI: I've never really been clear on the diff btwn Dolby Digital vs. DTS, including the new TrueHD forms of each. I recently had a disc encoded with DD and DTS and wasn't sure if this was a Chevy vs Ford issue (i.e. personal taste/preference), simple marketing or true scientific "better performance/fidelity with (insert format here)". And yes, I did briefly switch between them to try it on my own ears, but didn't have the time for a really good comparison. Not trying to start a format battle, just wondering whether there is a technology reason to pick one or the other, given the new HD versions of both now available.

This is straying pretty far from the topic of the VP50. You'd be better served reading some existing threads in the audio or DVD forums, where the subject has been covered extensively.

I'm outputting to a Pearl (hoping for good 1080p@24!).

FWIW, I seem to have better results having my VP50 output 48Hz to my Pearl. (The Pearl will report 1080p/50 in that case, but it seems to be really displaying at 48Hz anyway.) They do sync at 24Hz for me too, without the tearing that some people have reported, but it seems to drop frames (stutter) at scenes transitions frequently at 24Hz, but not at 48Hz. (I have no idea which component is to blame for the stuttering at 24Hz. I'm using the beta 1.01 firmware with the VP50.)

-- Peter

The test patterns are generated in 4:2:2 YCbCr. There's nothing that constrains the test pattern generation to 601 or 709 outside of the software which programs the test pattern generator hardware. I.e., the hardware can do either, but I think the software is only set up to program it for 601 colors. A new revision of the VP30 software should be able to fix this problem, but I can't say whether or not you'll ever see such a fix.

Thanks for the info-- I at least would be happy enough with a fix for the VP50. :) I got a response from DVDO that they are investigating my report.

The fact that the test patterns are generated in 4:2:2 YCbCr perhaps explains something that a friend and I were wondering about last weekend: why even the VP50's internal color bars still show very slight artifacts on at least a couple of the transitions (notably, between green and magenta) even when outputting RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4-- I'm guessing that they are artifacts of the (horizontal) chroma upsampling at those sharp simultaneous Y & C transitions, and they actually look slightly better to me when I output YCbCr 4:2:2 and have my Pearl do the horizontal chroma upsampling.

Incidentally, when I configure the Toshiba HD-XA2 to output 480p, thus avoiding the bug with the the VP50's half transparent test patterns, I was impressed to see that color bars from the GetGray DVD matched the VP50's internal color bars exactly, as far as I could see, with all of the VP50's picture control settings at zero (well, I had SHARPNESS at -1). Reference black and white patterns also matched those of the VP50's half transparent patterns exactly at the VP50's neutral picture control settings. This suggests to me that the XA2 is doing minimal processing on the signal levels from the disc? With my Oppo DV-970HD, on the other hand, I have to raise Contrast (on the VP50) to +3 for a reference white pattern to match the VP50's internal pattern, and with no amount of fiddling of either the VP50's or the Oppo's picture controls have I been able to get all of the color bars (from the very same GetGray DVD) to match those of the VP50's so exactly (with the VP50's Saturation at zero, the blue and yellow bars seem to match, but the others in between seem very slightly less intense). Earlier in this thread I recall people speculating about why raw SDI from a DVD player would still be preferable to 480i over HDMI from the Oppo-- well, this comparison with the XA2 suggests to me that the Oppo is still doing some amount of processing of video levels on its HDMI output, even with all of its picture control settings at their neutral positions. (I also recently noticed some very puzzling behavior with the Oppo's Sharpness setting, but that would be getting off-topic here, so I intend post about that in the DV-970HD thread instead.) None of this is to say that I am disappointed with my DV-970HD->480i/HDMI->VP50 combination, but these subtle differences in digital video signal paths seemed interesting to me.

-- Peter

Incidentally, when I configure the Toshiba HD-XA2 to output 480p, thus avoiding the bug with the the VP50's half transparent test patterns, I was impressed to see that color bars from the GetGray DVD matched the VP50's internal color bars exactly, as far as I could see, with all of the VP50's picture control settings at zero (well, I had SHARPNESS at -1). Reference black and white patterns also matched those of the VP50's half transparent patterns exactly at the VP50's neutral picture control settings.I've observed the same thing with an Accupel video signal generator. I'm pretty sure the Accupel produces the correct signal levels. :D

- Dale Adams

Incidentally, when I configure the Toshiba HD-XA2 to output 480p...

-- Peter

I find this post very interesting. You mention that you configured the XA2 for 480p, was the OPPO configured the same way? It wasn't clear to me, it sounded like you had the OPPO set to 480i.

Perhaps I just missed the point of your post, I'm not completely familiar with error you mention in the VP50. Does the VP30 have this same error? I'm a VP30 owner.

Thanks.

I find this post very interesting. You mention that you configured the XA2 for 480p, was the OPPO configured the same way? It wasn't clear to me, it sounded like you had the OPPO set to 480i.

Perhaps I just missed the point of your post, I'm not completely familiar with error you mention in the VP50. Does the VP30 have this same error? I'm a VP30 owner.


The point of my post was to cite (apparently) altered video signal levels as evidence of some (perhaps small) degree of "extra processing" in the Oppo DV-970HD's 480i/HDMI output, which might be considered less then ideal given the desire to use it as a (cheap) pure SD digital transport, compared to an SDI-modded player, for example. (I still think that it works pretty well for that, by the way.) The Toshiba HD-XA2, unfortunately, does not support 480i/HDMI output; I used 480p (as opposed to 720p or 1080i/p) to get 601-standard YCbCr and thus avoid the VP50's test pattern bug described above-- but even with its deinterlacing, the XA2 seems to preserve the source's original digital video signal levels well (in large solid areas, at least).

I no longer have a VP30-- I have no idea if it has the same test pattern bug.

Cheers,

-- Peter

Been awhile since I had it hooked up that way, but it should pass the HDMI audio right on to the AVR, it's just that doing it that way, every video source you have will have to be passed through the AVR as the VP50 only has one HDMI output. A second HDMI output that could be utilized for audio to a AVR would be really sweet, in fact, it's been talked about here, but there may be issues with CP and the like, not sure how well splitting HDMI signals works, if at all given the handshaking involved.

Now that I think about it a bit more, I think some here have reported it's not as cut and dried when passing hirez PCM with the VP50, I'm trying to remember the names of those folks who run it that way...
You can always get a ConnectGear HDMI splitter for only $90. I am using two. One for the output of my VP50. It splits the output between my dsiplay and my 3806. The other ConnectGear HDMI splitter is on my PS3. One output goes to the VP50 and the other goes to the 3806. When the PS3 goes through the VP50 and the audio format changes, the VP50 will keep the foramt the same. So if it is 7.1 but it changes to 2.0 the receiver thing sit's still 7.1. If it goes straight to the receiver it changes instantly. Plus by splitting the PS3 output I can also get the high resolution SACD audio. If it goes through the VP50 it won't play it or if I used the Monoprice splitter it wouldn't play it. But with the ConnectGear splitter it has the same result as if the PS3 is connected directly to the 3806.
Hopefully the next VP50 firmware upgrae will correct the problme as well as the incorrect 1080i output.

I just loaded up 1.03 and am pretty sure I saw a reference to the problem I am having but could not find it.

I can not switch between HDMI 1 and HDMI 2. The Menu and Info screens say the switch was made (input source changed) but that is not the case. It is always feeding HDMI 2. It will switch to HDMI 3, and I have nothing on HDMI 4.

I reverted back to 1.01 and the problem went away.

Any thoughts or ideas for me to try tomorrow?


Where did you get beta 1.03? I only see v1.01 on the website.

V1.03 is in Private Beta testing right now and we hope to have it available on the website for public Beta testing within a week.

I was wondering if that was a typo. I'll look forward to trying out the new public Beta when it's released. Hopefully it will be another step forward like v1.01 mostly was. I really want to get back to 1080i output from the VP50 although hopefully I can get one of the new LED DLP sets from Samsung later this year and just use the VP50 to it's full potential with 1080P output.

V1.03 is in Private Beta testing right now and we hope to have it available on the website for public Beta testing within a week.Well, now that the cat's halfway out of the bag, is anyone able to comment on what might be in that beta? Pretty please? Or are you really going to make us all poor, poor sufferers stick it out a little longer shivering in the rain? Come on, look at us huddled out here. Aren't we so cute and pitiful? You can tell us. You know you want to. :)

Another week or two isn't going to hurt. Besides it's still Beta. The only official non-beta release is v1.00.

You can always get a ConnectGear HDMI splitter for only $90. I am using two. One for the output of my VP50. It splits the output between my dsiplay and my 3806. The other ConnectGear HDMI splitter is on my PS3. One output goes to the VP50 and the other goes to the 3806. When the PS3 goes through the VP50 and the audio format changes, the VP50 will keep the foramt the same. So if it is 7.1 but it changes to 2.0 the receiver thing sit's still 7.1. If it goes straight to the receiver it changes instantly. Plus by splitting the PS3 output I can also get the high resolution SACD audio. If it goes through the VP50 it won't play it or if I used the Monoprice splitter it wouldn't play it. But with the ConnectGear splitter it has the same result as if the PS3 is connected directly to the 3806.
Hopefully the next VP50 firmware upgrae will correct the problme as well as the incorrect 1080i output.

Thanks, but with 3 HDMI sources it could get ugly... I guess I'd just need to use 3 of them and feed the audio to the 3806 and the video to the VP50. Seems like a PITA but I'll see.

I'm trying to get Toshiba XE1 (similar to US model XA2) working with VP50 (v1.01 firmware) and Pioneer PDP-507XA (~5070HD), all connected via good HDMI cables. I think I've run into HDCP issue I can't solve. When I turn the player on, I see the picture for few seconds but the VP50's light blinks and turns to blue and I get a black screen. I can't even open VP50's or Pioneer's menu. I've tried to turn all three units on and off in different combinations but nothing seems to help.

Everything works fine when the player is directly connected to the plasma display, so this has to do with VP50 (probably). The PQ is really good with 1080i60 output but I'm sure it'd be even better if I could convert it to 1080p24 with VP50 before sending it to Pio.

Any clues what to do?

Thanks!

-Johannes

Another week or two isn't going to hurt. Besides it's still Beta. The only official non-beta release is v1.00.
Beta or not, I think sidb and myself just want to play our progressive-source games properly since lag-free gaming is one of the main reasons we purchased the unit. The VP30 has been able to do this since Day 1, so next week's firmware will solidify my decision to keep my VP50 or sell it and "upgrade" to a VP30. :cool:

johannesk-fin, I have a similar problem. My snazzi does this now. Only way to fix it is to either cycle through the resolution settings on it OR unplug the VP50 and plug it back in. The weird thing is that I never had any problems until I added a Panny Blu Ray player on the last HDMI port.

Beta or not, I think sidb and myself just want to play our progressive-source games properly since lag-free gaming is one of the main reasons we purchased the unit. The VP30 has been able to do this since Day 1, so next week's firmware will solidify my decision to keep my VP50 or sell it and "upgrade" to a VP30. :cool:It's true. I'm getting sort or weary of playing all my games interlaced just so they don't lag when I could be playing them progressive; that's the most important thing. The other is HDMI passthrough of 1080p and computer signals it can't process (an advertised feature), which would let me ditch the extra Gefen HDMI+digital audio switch in my setup (which I bought only as a temporary workaround) that sometimes gives me sparklies no matter how I tune things. That one I'm more hopeful for, since another thread seemed to say the VP30 was finally getting 1080p passthrough.

So yeah, I'm sort of holding my breath.

johannesk-fin, I have a similar problem. My snazzi does this now. Only way to fix it is to either cycle through the resolution settings on it OR unplug the VP50 and plug it back in. The weird thing is that I never had any problems until I added a Panny Blu Ray player on the last HDMI port.

Thanks. I already treid to plug the XE1 to different inputs but maybe the resolution-thing will help. If I have to do it every time I watch a movie, it's just too crazy.

I guess one of those HDMI stripper devices would help? ;)

Edit: Actually I can't switch the resolution because I'd need to use the setup menu, which I'm not able to see now. So only way seems to be to forget the VP50 and 1080p24 and go directry to the display. Unless this issue can/will be fixed in future VP50 firmwares.

You can always get a ConnectGear HDMI splitter for only $90. I am using two. One for the output of my VP50. It splits the output between my dsiplay and my 3806. The other ConnectGear HDMI splitter is on my PS3. One output goes to the VP50 and the other goes to the 3806. When the PS3 goes through the VP50 and the audio format changes, the VP50 will keep the foramt the same. So if it is 7.1 but it changes to 2.0 the receiver thing sit's still 7.1. If it goes straight to the receiver it changes instantly. Plus by splitting the PS3 output I can also get the high resolution SACD audio. If it goes through the VP50 it won't play it or if I used the Monoprice splitter it wouldn't play it. But with the ConnectGear splitter it has the same result as if the PS3 is connected directly to the 3806.
Hopefully the next VP50 firmware upgrae will correct the problme as well as the incorrect 1080i output.
I'll have to take a look at that. As it is, I actually need the extra 2 inputs on the 3806 as I have more equipment than HDMI inputs on the VP50.

I have:
DirecTV HD-TiVo-HDMI
TiVo S3-HDMI
Toshiba HD-DVD-HDMI
HTPC-HDMI

and I'll be adding a PS3,

plus, I have a,
Dish 622-component
Star Choice DSR505-component
3806-S-Video for setup menu.

I may lose the HTPC though as I rarely use it and then I may re-think my whole connection scheme.

I'll have to take a look at that. As it is, I actually need the extra 2 inputs on the 3806 as I have more equipment than HDMI inputs on the VP50.

I have:
DirecTV HD-TiVo-HDMI
TiVo S3-HDMI
Toshiba HD-DVD-HDMI
HTPC-HDMI

and I'll be adding a PS3,

plus, I have a,
Dish 622-component
Star Choice DSR505-component
3806-S-Video for setup menu.

I may lose the HTPC though as I rarely use it and then I may re-think my whole connection scheme.
Do what I did. I have a Monoprice 3x1 HDMI switch on one of the VP50 inputs. This is for my HDTiVos. I used to have two HR10-250 and one S3 box but I disconnected one of the HR10-250 boxes. Anyway the settings for the TiVos are the same so I use the switch and it works perfectly with the VP50. One push of a button on my Harmony changes all the inputs. I use the PS3 and HD DVD player on separate inputs since the picture settings are different, then I have a Comcast box(for On Demand) on another HDMI input.
Anyway you can get the Monoprice 3way HDMI Switch for under $70. A 5 way is under $90.

One push of a button on my Harmony changes all the inputs.
Just wondering how you do that? My Harmony 880 has no macro function. PM if too far off topic.

Just wondering how you do that? My Harmony 880 has no macro function. PM if too far off topic.

It does sort of. You can chain an arbitrary number of actions together when you enter or exit an activity.

- Collin

I've got a question that I cannot seem to get answered elsewhere. My PS3 outputs HDMI 1.3, but my VP50 is at HDMI 1.1 (1.2?). I'm trying to find out if my Sony VPLVW50 ("Pearl") projector's HDMI inputs are 1.3 (to match the PS3), but these HDMI specs are nowhere to be found. If the Pearl accepts HDMI v1.3, wouldn't I get a better picture (deep color, etc.) by direct HDMI hookup between these sources at 1080p/60 rather than my current configuration of PS3-> VP50-> Pearl? I know that Josh previously answered a post of mine in which he suggested 1080i/60 from the PS3 to the VP50, then 1080p/48 to the Pearl, but this might not be as optimal as PS3 to the Pearl if it is at HDMI 1.3. Does anyone know (for certain) the HDMI version on the Pearl's inputs??? Thanks!

The Sony Pearl is not an HDMI 1.3 capable device. Any device that is, will be clearly marketed as such. I would guess that the Pearl has HDMI 1.1.

Josh, thanks for (once again) weighing in on my post! Not that I doubt your information on the Sony "Pearl's" HDMI at 1.1, but where is this spec noted??? On-line?? User manual??? It's surprising to me that, given the Pearl and the PS3 are of similar technological vintage, Sony wouldn't want to exploit HDMI 1.3 video capability for Blu-Ray in the Pearl!

Actually the Pearl was earlier, and it is not 1.3.

The Pearl was released prior to HDMI 1.3 being completed. Also, neither Blu-ray, HD DVD, nor any other video format at this time actually supports DeepColor in their specs. You can get the full video performance out of any of these formats using HDMI 1.1.

Many thanks to the 3 of you for providing me with the answer to my HDMI question. I'm relieved to be able to continue to allow the VP50 to switch audio and video for all of my components (including Laserdisc via S-video, Josh Z), running only a single HDMI cable to the Pearl and a single digital coax to the Meridian 861 for audio. I'll set the VP50 output at 1080p/48 for film and 1080p/60 for video content, as per Josh's prior suggestion. PS: should I set this up as a separate user memory for each output scan rate, or manually assign it each time I change content?

I'll set the VP50 output at 1080p/48 for film and 1080p/60 for video content, as per Josh's prior suggestion. PS: should I set this up as a separate user memory for each output scan rate, or manually assign it each time I change content?

You can save two separate Output Profiles, one for video content (output at 60hz) and one for film content (output at 48hz). Then just switch from Profile 1 to Profile 2 depending on the source.

There's no way to get 1080p@72 is there? Analog or digital?

nope.... out of bandwidth spec

Grrr... I hate when I'm wrong ;)

The 1.3 chips weren't ready for the pearl roll out. 1.3 will be in the projectors introduced in September at cedia. sony is touting 1.3 and its buzzwords (deep color, yada yada) in its fall line up of new TVs.

Hi

I have the VP30/ABT102 which works great with the BenQ 8720 projector and a Sony HD CRT 32". My current sources are SD and 1080i Tosh HDa1, but would in near future envisage some 1080p sources including 1080p24. Also I have already a CAVX anamorphic prism system (not implemented yet) for CIH screen in future.

I am about to receive the JVC HD1 projector and just wondering what an upgrade to the VP50 will get me additionally please? ie is it worth it or is there something more appropriate for future proofing on the market now?


PS I would normally read an entire thread to ascertain myself the answers, so please forgive my lazy attitude on this one (I read the first few pages) as >100pages here is above my limits of attention span. Thanks in advance

The 1.3 chips weren't ready for the pearl roll out. 1.3 will be in the projectors introduced in September at cedia. sony is touting 1.3 and its buzzwords (deep color, yada yada) in its fall line up of new TVs....Although it won't be until sometime in the relatively distant future when anyone has a true "deep color" source and display both in the same room. HDMI 1.3 devices may send and accept the extra bits, but actually making use of them is something else. I would think the PS3 might actually be the first device to produce a true deep color signal (for games only), since games could presumably be written to generate the extra information. That might be too much headache for the developers to mess with, though, especially since no one could currently display the extra color depth. I doubt it's even supported in the current PS3 firmware and OS.

Ok, hooked up my VP50 today and have issues. The menus are cut way off on the left side. I had to use shift to like 237, and when I tried anything higher HDMI lost sync. Screen type is right, output format is set to 1080p@60hz on a Pearl... what's going on with my unit :(

Try switching to another input then back. I have to do this with the PS3. Sometimes it looses sync with it and the only way to get the picture back is to change input and go back. I juts hit another input, without an active source and then right away go back to the PS3 input and the picture pops up. It seems to happen when the PS3 changes resolutions. The problem didn't occur with v1.00 but it started with v1.01. V1.01 offers other improvements and I'm hopiong this problem is fixed with the next firmware upgrade. Although the PS3 is the only device I have his problem with.
Looks like I have the same issue with my VP50/PS3 combo; it looses sync (screen goes black, while audio continues) during the movie “start sequence”, i.e. during the switch between FBI warnings, movie menu, etc. Only way to bring the picture back is to switch between VP50 inputs. During the movie itself it has been rock stable, incl. sound.

F/W versions are:
VP50: 1.01 beta
PS3: 1.54 (have not tried 1.6 though)

Output for both, VP50 and PS3 is 1080p/60.
P3S is connected to VP50’s HDMI4 (audio via Toslink).

The PS3 is the only device that shows this behavior.

Any idea how to fix it?
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Axel

Ok, hooked up my VP50 today and have issues. The menus are cut way off on the left side. I had to use shift to like 237, and when I tried anything higher HDMI lost sync. Screen type is right, output format is set to 1080p@60hz on a Pearl... what's going on with my unit :(


did you try 4:2:2, 4:4:4, and RGB output? (under colorspace) to see if thety help?

No, I'll mess with that. Didn;t think it would matter since I am using HDMI.

Looks like I have the same issue with my VP50/PS3 combo; it looses sync (screen goes black, while audio continues) during the movie “start sequence”, i.e. during the switch between FBI warnings, movie menu, etc. Only way to bring the picture back is to switch between VP50 inputs. During the movie itself it has been rock stable, incl. sound.

F/W versions are:
VP50: 1.01 beta
PS3: 1.54 (have not tried 1.6 though)

Output for both, VP50 and PS3 is 1080p/60.
P3S is connected to VP50’s HDMI4 (audio via Toslink).

The PS3 is the only device that shows this behavior.

Any idea how to fix it?
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Axel

What I found made the connection a lot more stable was to go into the PS3 video settings and disable 1080p60 output. 1080 modes now run at 1080i60 and I don't think I've seen any issues since, I'll try 1080p again when the next firmware appears.

No, I'll mess with that. Didn;t think it would matter since I am using HDMI.
Is overscan disabled on the Pearl or are you seeing the right hand edge shifted too?

Overscan is disabled. I did a factory reset on the VP50 and now I have the menus correct, but it won't pass video from my 3806 :( The light turns blue so I know it's seeing a signal, but all I get is a grey screen. And most oddly, it's a 4:3 grey screen when I have everything configured for 16:9.

What I found made the connection a lot more stable was to go into the PS3 video settings and disable 1080p60 output. 1080 modes now run at 1080i60 and I don't think I've seen any issues since, I'll try 1080p again when the next firmware appears.

I have an HDMI splitter on the output of the PS3 so one output goes to the receiver and one goes to the VP50. This has made the connection more stable. Not 100% but more reliable than when it was connected directly to the VP50. ANd if there is a problem all I have to do is change inputs and back very quickly and the PS3 video will come back. Fortunately this doesn't happen very often and the few times it might is when the resolution changes. It is definitely inconsistent. I've sometimes gone back and forth with 1080i content to 1080P and 720 P several times with no problems and then sometimes I might do that 4 times and twice it will lose sync when swicthing.
The 1080i isn't an option for me right now since I'm using v1.01 firmware and that firmeware drops half the fields with 1080i ouput. So I leave my VP50 output at 720P for now until the next firmware is released.

Ok... I'm baffled. I loaded the latest firmware and now at least all my ARs seem right. But I still get no video output. I have it going XA1 - 3806 - VP50 - Pearl. The VP50 turns blue meaning it is seeing and locking on to an HDCP signal. But I get no video output. Taking the VP50 out of the loop gives me my video back. What the heck am I missing? I can see the test patterns, the menus, etc; But the video just disapears into a black hole.

Still sounds like an HDCP issue. After telling aaron it didn't, with the new PS3 firmware mine is showing the same problem; with the PS3, (so far) a simple on off of the VP50 while everything else is hot and connected gets the video back; Don't have an XA1, so can't be more helpful.

(mine also has the blue light, but just doesn't pass the 1080p60, until I cycle power on VP50.)

Does it help if you take the 3806 out of the loop? - just leave the VP50?

Ok... I'm baffled. I loaded the latest firmware and now at least all my ARs seem right. But I still get no video output. I have it going XA1 - 3806 - VP50 - Pearl. The VP50 turns blue meaning it is seeing and locking on to an HDCP signal. But I get no video output. Taking the VP50 out of the loop gives me my video back. What the heck am I missing? I can see the test patterns, the menus, etc; But the video just disapears into a black hole.

A shot in the dark here, but are you sure you haven't accidentally closed the "Curtain"? Hit that button on the remote and see if anything happens. If you see the sides visibly close in, you'll want to hit it again to reopen, as that obviously wasn't the problem.

Do you have any non-HDMI/HDCP sources connected?

Here is another shot in the dark, the VP50 has TWO set up options for HDCP, one for input and one for output. Are BOTH set to HDCP=on?

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Axel

As it turns out, the problem is I am a moron :). I hadn't noticed the "Off" button for the test patterns. Wow, look ma.. I've got a picture!!!

Now... how the heck to do I get a rez other than 1080p@60hz? They are all greyed out.

Go to framerate, set the refresh you want, then you can go back up and the other rez options will be available. Counter-intuitive, but that worked for me.

Thanks. One last question and I'm done for now :) If I run XA1 - VP50 - 3806 - Pearl, I'm getting downmixed 2.0 on the PCM stream instead of the full surround over HDMI. Is that what people were alluding to earlier?

V1.03 is in Private Beta testing right now and we hope to have it available on the website for public Beta testing within a week.

Any update on the release of this beta version?

Also has the 1080p24 tearing problem been addressed? I also continue to get audio problems (hdmi->spdif) with the 1.01b version although I can fix the problem with a simple power on and off rather than unplugging the unit. Hopefully 1.03 will address this problem too.

Any update on the release of this beta version?

Also has the 1080p24 tearing problem been addressed?

Hi Josh

Yes,
Many of us are very interested in the resolution of the 1080p24 problem.

Hi there. I ve a prob with my VP50. My Xbox 360 is running through the VP50 and the picture is kind of lagging, especially with fast games. Does anyone has a reason for it?

It doesn't has do do with my online connection.

FYI: I could solve the problem by doing an total reset. Thanks anyway ;)

One more question:

When I change my settings of the xbox 360 to 1080p, my vp50 does not recognize any signal. Output of my vp50 is switched on 720p, and with 1080i it also doesn't work (My LCD does not have a Full HD panel, max. resolution is 1080i).

Is due to my software version which is still v1.00?

How do you have your 360 connected to the VP50? A xbox360 can only output 1080p over VGA and the VP50 can not accept this. SJ

Thanks. One last question and I'm done for now :) If I run XA1 - VP50 - 3806 - Pearl, I'm getting downmixed 2.0 on the PCM stream instead of the full surround over HDMI. Is that what people were alluding to earlier?

Same as my setup but i got PCM MultiChannel. You must choose PCM in the Toshiba Setup.

Somtimes the VP50 lost the Multichannel signal, than i must power of/on for a second on the VP50 than the 5.1 is back. But it happens only when i skip fast the chapters of a HD-DVD.

greets

I hope the new firmware will fix the problem

How do you have your 360 connected to the VP50? A xbox360 can only output 1080p over VGA and the VP50 can not accept this. SJ

The Xbox 360 outputs 1080P over component also. Although not for DVDs.

Hi there. I ve a prob with my VP50. My Xbox 360 is running through the VP50 and the picture is kind of lagging, especially with fast games. Does anyone has a reason for it?

It doesn't has do do with my online connection.
The VP50 currently has a 3-frame lag on all Progressive sources. So, if your 360 is set to output 720p, it will lag. This is a major glitch and is supposed to be addressed in a future firmware update, although DVDO have declined to comment when this fix will be available.

The only way to play your X-Box 360 in HD without lag through your VP50 would be to set the 360 to output 1080i and then use the "Game Mode 1" option for 1080i to 1080p deinterlacing.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=747832

For more info.

One more question:

When I change my settings of the xbox 360 to 1080p, my vp50 does not recognize any signal. Output of my vp50 is switched on 720p, and with 1080i it also doesn't work (My LCD does not have a Full HD panel, max. resolution is 1080i).

Is due to my software version which is still v1.00?
The VP50 can only accept a 1080p signal via HDMI, it can't process 1080p via Component or VGA/BNC Connectors, so the only possible way to feed a 1080p signal to your VP50 would be to buy the upcoming Elite model X-Box 360 since it will have HDMI output. This is a hardware restriction on the VP50 and cannot ever be changed with new firmware versions.

Oddly enough though it seems (if I read the chart correctly) that it can OUTPUT 1080p on RGBHV. Assuming you feed it a non-HDCP protected source that is.

The VP50 currently has a 3-frame lag on all Progressive sources. So, if your 360 is set to output 720p, it will lag. This is a major glitch and is supposed to be addressed in a future firmware update, although DVDO have declined to comment when this fix will be available.
This is a feature of VP50 called "tracking cadence in a progressive sources". It is used to extract original frames from repeated patterns, particularly for output at 24/48/72Hz to eliminate pulldown judder.

For example, one might watch 'Lost' broadcast at 720p, where the 24 frames per second are encoded in 3:2 pattern to get 24 into 60Hz (each odd number frame is repeated three times, each even number frame is repeated twice), similarly if your Blu-ray player outputs 1080p at 60Hz but you want judder-free 1080p24 output, the VP50 can extract the original frames and not the duplicates enabling judder-free output at 24/48/72Hz.

** This also works for 2:2 pattern and getting 25 in 50Hz (each frame repeated twice) and enables output at 25/75Hz.

It is designed for film sources (i.e. 24/25fps progressive) in 480p/576p/720p/1080p signals.

This is a great feature, but could do with an option to turn it off if not required (on a per input basis) as it does introduce some processing overhead and thus delay.

A good example of where is is not required is when games consoles are connected, especially as 'Game Mode 1' and 'Game Mode 2' are designed for speed of interlaced processing 480i/576i/1080i and are fast, whereas feeding VP50 progressive signal 480p/576p/720p/1080p is slower because of the "progressive cadence detection".

Therefore a games console feeding VP50 a progressive signal has more lag than feeding it an interlaced one -- this should be fixed.

StooMonster

Tracking cadence in a progressive sources

I don't believe the HQV processors do this, there is a post on the AVS Forum from a Silicon Optix employee that stated that their curent algorithms did not do this. I don't know if the Gennum VXP processors do this, but they don't advertize the fact so probably they don't.

But the VRS processors (ABT102 in VP30\VP20, or HD-DL in VP50) do have this feature. :cool:

I have been suprised that ABT don't have it listed as specific VRS feature (along side Precision Deinterlacing, Precision Scaling, PReP, RightRate, etc.) on their website and in their marketing collaterole as it's an advanced function that their competitors don't appear to offer. :confused:

Maybe putting it in the 'Input Adjustment' menu, under 'PReP' and only enabled when progressive source active and then offering submenu with on/off option, would highlight it more? :rolleyes:

StooMonster

The Xbox 360 outputs 1080P over component also. Although not for DVDs.


You sure about this? I thought the only 1080p output (for the Xbox 360) was from VGA.

Oddly enough though it seems (if I read the chart correctly) that it can OUTPUT 1080p on RGBHV. Assuming you feed it a non-HDCP protected source that is.

yes it does - with no problem, in my case. course, this is feeding it normal-type (no BD or HD-DVD) sources. i.e., anything up to 720p or 1080i input, will output via RGBHV at 1080p; I've run it from 48Hz, thru 60, and up to 72Hz. Into my crt, just to see what happened.

I guess I was partially right. HD DVD is limited to 1080i output on component. The Games can be output at 1080P over component.
Here is a list of what resolutions are supported.

VGA:
HD DVD - 1080p resolution and all others
DVD - Upscaled as high as 1080p resolution and all others
Games - 720p games upscaled to 1080p, also supports native-1080p games in the future

Component:
HD DVD - 1080i resolution maximum, limited by AACS
DVD - Upscaled to 480p maximum, limited by CSS
Games - 720p games upscaled to 1080p, also supports native-1080p games in the future "

I also think the DVD ouput only applies to copy protected discs(ie store bought) so if a backup copy is made that would defeat the copy portection allowing a higher resolution output on component. I guess I could test it out sometime on one of my 360s but I haven't used component since I first received them in 2005. I've been using VGA since a couple of weeks after I purchase dthem.

HD DVD - 1080p resolution and all others

To complicate things even more: I don't think it'll do 1080i over the VGA connection.

I'm trying to get Toshiba XE1 (similar to US model XA2) working with VP50 (v1.01 firmware) and Pioneer PDP-507XA (~5070HD), all connected via good HDMI cables. I think I've run into HDCP issue I can't solve. When I turn the player on, I see the picture for few seconds but the VP50's light blinks and turns to blue and I get a black screen. I can't even open VP50's or Pioneer's menu. I've tried to turn all three units on and off in different combinations but nothing seems to help.

Everything works fine when the player is directly connected to the plasma display, so this has to do with VP50 (probably). The PQ is really good with 1080i60 output but I'm sure it'd be even better if I could convert it to 1080p24 with VP50 before sending it to Pio.

I managed to get the XE1>VP50>Pioneer connection "working" yesterday. For some reason I had to use HDMI input 4 in VP50. My display accepted the 1080p24 signal (constructed from 1080i60) but it was very unstable with random stutter and sometimes pixelation at the bottom of the screen. Audio is turned off in HDMI settings, since I use 5.1 analog. I hope this will be fixed in the new firmware.

I noticed that the VP50 (PSU?) is causing some humming from my subwoofer. When I feed it 576p signal, I don't notice it but with 720p it's stronger and with 1080i really strong. Weird... My DVD player was connected to VP50 with component cables and optical cable and also with coaxial cable to my amp. When I removed the coaxial cable the humming stopped.

Similar humming has been reported in AV Forums's thread (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402492). Is there some kind of problem with the PSU, should it be changed?

Now that I have the XE1 connected with HDMI to VP50 and with RCA cables (analog 5.1) to my receiver, I get the "ground loop humming" or similar. And it's very strong since I'm feeding 1080i signal to VP50. Has anyone tried a different PSU?

To complicate things even more: I don't think it'll do 1080i over the VGA connection.

I didn't think about that. VGA would only be a progressive signal.

I wish the 360 allowed two display options (one for games and one for HD DVD). You could then set is for 1080P (for games) and 1080i (for movies).... Otherwise, it is a pain, so I use 1080i for everything. No real lag for games at 1080i into the VP50. HD DVD looks great at 1080i (but I only have a 720P projector - so the output is set for 720P for my setup). SJ

I wish the 360 allowed two display options (one for games and one for HD DVD). You could then set is for 1080P (for games) and 1080i (for movies).... Otherwise, it is a pain, so I use 1080i for everything. No real lag for games at 1080i into the VP50. HD DVD looks great at 1080i (but I only have a 720P projector - so the output is set for 720P for my setup). SJ

Same thing goes with PS3... I hope they'll have this option in the next firmware. Now I'm switching with 1080i for movies and 720p for games (my display is 768p).

To confirm I am reading the chart correctly... if I feed non-encrypted digital signals at 1080p I can output them via RGBHV, right?

To confirm I am reading the chart correctly... if I feed non-encrypted digital signals at 1080p I can output them via RGBHV, right?

Correct. If the VP50 can process the signal, it can be output as either analog or digital with either component or RGB colorspace. If HDCP is present on the inpt signal though, the analog outputs MUST be turned off.

I have a PS3 (firmware v1.60) connected to VP50 (firmware v1.0) through hdmi and then hdmi to Yamaha RX 2700. Playing blu-ray discs with LPCM enabled on PS3, it seems that Yamaha cannot recieve multi channel PCM. But if I connect PS3 directly to Yamaha, Yamaha can recieve multi channel PCM. So is it the fault of PS3 or VP50? or VP50 cannot pass multi channel PCM?

The VP50 will pass it. It will do the 7.1 pcm also. I know with v1.1 it will get stuck on whatever is being input, ie 7.1 pcm and when it siwtches to something that is another format like stereo or 5.1 it will still show 7.1. I had to change inputs and go back to the PS3 input for it to change. i got around it by getting an HDMI splitter so one output goes directly to my receiver, so the audio now changes instantly, and the oher output goes to my VP50. I also put an HDMI splitter on my VP50 that sends one output to the receiver and one to the TV.

Hey Josh,

Just wondering, with 3 days left, if you're still on target for a firmware release this month or are there still some bugs in 1.03 that need squishing? ;)

adyc,

The multi-channel PCM issue was resolved in 1.01 beta.

The VP50 will pass it. It will do the 7.1 pcm also. I know with v1.1 it will get stuck on whatever is being input, ie 7.1 pcm and when it siwtches to something that is another format like stereo or 5.1 it will still show 7.1. I had to change inputs and go back to the PS3 input for it to change. i got around it by getting an HDMI splitter so one output goes directly to my receiver, so the audio now changes instantly, and the oher output goes to my VP50. I also put an HDMI splitter on my VP50 that sends one output to the receiver and one to the TV.



What splitter are you using? I have all my HMDI inputs going to my receiver first, then out to the VP-50 because I was having some odd audio drop outs. But I'd prefer to have them going to the VP first. A splitter sounds like a good compromise, if it works well.

He posted it earlier in the thread:

ConnectGear HDMI splitter

$90 or so each.

This has happened a couple of times to me in the past couple of weeks. I go in to turn on the VP50 and the display says 'Load .abt file now..' This should only display if your doing a software update, correct? Can't get the VP50 to do anything unless I unplug the power and plug the power back in. Then I can turn on the unit and everything is fine. I am running v1.01. Any one else have this issue?
May have to make a call to support.

The only time I've had that show up is when I've stopped a firmware update in the middle of the process. I guess it is supposed to show up when there isn't a firmwar einstalled. In my case I just restart the firmware upgrade and it complets I have no idea why it's showsing up for you. Maybe when you load the new firmware you won't have those problems anymore.

Playing for about ten days now with XE1 and DV79 -> VP50 ->TH-50PHW6. The good news is I still run 1.0 and have't got into a serious glitch yet. The not-so-good-news-but-not-bad either is that if the VP decidedly improves SD picture quality, with my screen there are diminsihing returns of using it with HD input signals.

I have some muscic titles shot in HD video at 1080i (that's what is marked on the box) and when outputing 1080i60 from the XE1 and deinterlacing+downscaling in the VP50 to NR@60 locked) the difference compared to 1080p60 out of the XE1 and downscaling only in the VP is rather ... subtle - that is on actual video material, I gurss I have to wait to redo that with some test signals.

On movies, since the stuff is on HD-DVD mostly at 1080p I see no point in getting 1080i output from the XE1 (I am assuming the XE1 leaves the recorded progressive signal alone if it's set to output 1080p) so the VP only does downscaling.

It is true that a native 1080 display (preferably larger than 50") might reveal a different situation (after all downscaling to 1366x768 roughly reduces tha bandwith in half, and acts somewhat like a low-apss filter wivh might eventually hide/mask the smaller deinterlacing artifacts in 1080 space), but that's the first impression i had.

Nice integration though between SD and HD sources.

I too have experienced increased humm on analogic audio connections since replacing the VP30 with a VP50. Could be that the VP50 PSU is to blame.

I am curious if native 1080 display owners (especially plasmas, like the PDP5000EX) have compared the deinterlacing in 1080p capable HD players with that of the VP50. Using titles shot in 1080i video, that is.

I am curious if native 1080 display owners (especially plasmas, like the PDP5000EX) have compared the deinterlacing in 1080p capable HD players with that of the VP50. Using titles shot in 1080i video, that is.
I've got a Pioneer PDP-5000EX / Elite 1080p plasma and VP50.

Film sources (1080p/24 or 1080p/25) originated from HD DVD, Blu-ray, or broadcast via 1080i are weaved together with 3:2 / 2:2 pulldown. Many displays / cheaper\older VPs / inbuilt upscalers can easily recognise 3:2 pattern but have trouble with or totally ignor 2:2 pulldown; so they work fine if you are in USA but if you have European HD content they don't deinterlace properly. VP50 does do this, however, it does drop the 2:2 pulldown lock under 'Auto' but does much better under 'Film bias mode'. :)

Video sources (1080i/60 or 1080i/50) originated from broadcasts (e.g. in UK this would be some content on BBC HD, but almost all of Discovery HD, History HD, Sky Arts HD, National Geographic HD, and HD sports channels ... not HD movies, or Sky One HD, or most of BBC HD) are deinterlaced into 1080p via various methods which create the alternative lines per field. Many displays / cheaper\older VPs / inbuilt upscalers could use simple line-doubling / "bob" / field-scaling whereas VP50 uses motion-adaptive and edge-adaptive deinterlacing which smooths diagonal edges, this makes the video sources pictures look higher resolution (i.e. more like 1080p film sources, but with video source's temporal update). :)

I would say that your screen's native resolution, and the resulting downscaling of 1920x1080 to 1366x768, is limiting your results and therefore "subtle". Furthermore, if you feed your TH-50PHW6 via HDMI it cannot accept native resolution and is doing it's own scaling, how are you connecting VP50 to your plamsa?

Also to note, you should update VP50's firmware and try PReP on your SD sources (in case they are not providing 480i/576i over HDMI), although Arcam players can be set to output 480i/576i over HDMI anyway. :)

Furthermore, the deinterlacing capabilities of VP50 are greater than those of built in chipsets in HD DVD / Blu-ray players and very few of these output native 1080p signal (most of them deinterlace internally) the best choice is to feed VP50 with rawest signal and that is 1080i.

StooMonster

Furthermore, the deinterlacing capabilities of VP50 are greater than those of built in chipsets in HD DVD / Blu-ray players and very few of these output native 1080p signal (most of them deinterlace internally) the best choice is to feed VP50 with rawest signal and that is 1080i.

StooMonster

I agree 100%, the VP50's deinterlacing is second to nothing, I feed all HD sources via 1080i into the VP50, with the many deinterlacing choices available ;) things are perfection

HD format makers need to focus on getting stuff right like levels, chroma issues and etc instead of pushing their 1080p garbage, the folks that need 1080p are gonna have mostly scalers anyway

I have even compared 1080i vs direct 1080p/24 on the Sony, both into the VP50, test patterns and actual images are 100% identical, not one shred of difference, the VP50 is the real deal in deinterlacing 1080i, that is a fact :cool:

-Gary

And by feeding 1080i one avoids the VP50 doing any scaling. Unfortunately, I feed it lots of HD sports at 720p and upscale to 1080p. Scaling is not this unit's strong point. Ringing is obvious along edges like football helmuts. At least the ringing hides the edge Mosquito noise, hell there is so much ringing it obliterates it.

Thanks for the insight. I am thinking about going PDP5000EX myself. Or maybe a native 1080 projector, there's plenty of room for a bigger screen with HD.

HD TV is of no concern for me at this time (geographical considerations), but I am interested in HD printed media.

As for the plasma, I feed it with NR@60Hz via DVI (HDMI-to-DVI-D cable from the VP50) - it accepts NR over the DVI blade. Also, the Arcam is set to output interlaced SD (YCbCr 4:2:2) over HDMI to the VP50 (that is why I did not immediately jump for PreP).

As for 1080i, it is just the origin of my question, I have been comparing video material that is written at 1080i on the HD-DVD media - deinterlaced by the XE1 and deinterlaced by the VP50 (no cadence issues 60i to 60p displayed at 60Hz display refresh rate). I think the somewhat limiting factor must be the downscaling step.

Note to self: thou shalt get a native 1080 display that accepts bypassing of its internal video processing

Additional note to self: 50" doesn't look that big with HD anymore. I can shoot for a bigger screen :)

And by feeding 1080i one avoids the VP50 doing any scaling. Unfortunately, I feed it lots of HD sports at 720p and upscale to 1080p. Scaling is not this unit's strong point. Ringing is obvious along edges like football helmuts. At least the ringing hides the edge Mosquito noise, hell there is so much ringing it obliterates it.
Mark, have you set VP50's 'Sharpness' to -1?

Strangely this appears to be equivalent of 0 in previous products/firmwares, and gets rid of most ringing.

StooMonster

Film sources (1080p/24 or 1080p/25) originated from HD DVD, Blu-ray, or broadcast via 1080i are weaved together with 3:2 / 2:2 pulldown. Many displays / cheaper\older VPs / inbuilt upscalers can easily recognise 3:2 pattern but have trouble with or totally ignor 2:2 pulldown; so they work fine if you are in USA but if you have European HD content they don't deinterlace properly. VP50 does do this, however, it does drop the 2:2 pulldown lock under 'Auto' but does much better under 'Film bias mode'. :)

Hi

I don't understand how it can be so hard for displays to process 2:2 pulldown, or is it just the fact that 50Hz is a rare thing in the primary markets... I think my Pioneer PDP-507XA (~5070) can't handle HDTV 1080i50 signal correctly (although 1080i60 is excellent) and goes with the bob deinterlacing. I'm now feeding it 720p50 from VP50 and there's definitely more resolution (even though the display does another 720p>768p scaling).

What kind of settings should I choose from VP50 (running on 1.01) to correctly reconstruct 1080p24 from 1080i60? I'm currently getting quite jerky playback when feeding 1080p24 to Pioneer (and also some pixelation at the bottom of the image).

And more about 1080p24... Is it so that the 1080p24 film is actually stored as 1080i60 on Blu-rays and HD DVDs? This would make it even less important to VP50 owners to search for 1080p24 outputting players.

Thanks!

-Johannes

I don't understand how it can be so hard for displays to process 2:2 pulldown, or is it just the fact that 50Hz is a rare thing in the primary markets...
I am sure Dale Adams or another expert can comment, but AFAIK 3:2 pattern itself can be easily detected in 60Hz signal, and if that's all you are looking for it's fairly trivial to find (so long as there aren't any bad edits).

Whereas 50Hz 2:2 pattern versus 50Hz video needs cadence detection alone, which is hard to get right. There's no regular pattern to expose the frames from the fields, so it's difficult ... and many manufacturers don't even bother.

What kind of settings should I choose from VP50 (running on 1.01) to correctly reconstruct 1080p24 from 1080i60? I'm currently getting quite jerky playback when feeding 1080p24 to Pioneer (and also some pixelation at the bottom of the image).
Firstly, feed VP50 a 1080i60 signal, that part is simple.

Secondly, have output set to 1080p24. Although I find this confusing in VP50, as it has three 1080p outputs (60Hz, 50Hz, 24Hz) -- some of which work on my Pioneer and others don't. I have 1080p 60Hz selected, and then FrameLock 24Hz. This could be responsible for jerkiness.

In public versions of VP50 firmware there are some bugs in 1080p24 output that can lead to image breakup.

And more about 1080p24... Is it so that the 1080p24 film is actually stored as 1080i60 on Blu-rays and HD DVDs? This would make it even less important to VP50 owners to search for 1080p24 outputting players.
All movies on Blu-ray and HD DVD discs are in 1080p24 format.

However, earlier players used an off-the-shelf chipset that could not output 1080p24, it could only output 1080i60. This was a problem. Some, e.g. Samsung BD player, included an additional chip in output stage that deinterlaced the 1080i60 from players off-the-shelf chipset into 1080p60 so they could claim "1080p output" in their marketing materials. New chipsets have been, and are being, developed that can decode 1080p24 and output 1080p24 properly.

Unless your HD DVD / Blu-ray player can properly output 1080p24 (and that's a tiny percentage of them) then the best option is to set it to output 1080i and let the VP50 handle the deinterlacing and reconstruction back to 1080p, and output as 1080p24 if you so wish.

I think my Pioneer PDP-507XA (~5070) can't handle HDTV 1080i50 signal correctly (although 1080i60 is excellent) and goes with the bob deinterlacing. I'm now feeding it 720p50 from VP50 and there's definitely more resolution (even though the display does another 720p>768p scaling).
As you can't get 1:1 pixel mapping over HDMI you are going to expect some scaling. However, downscaling is better than upscaling. Doesn't your display accept 1080p60 and 1080p50? I don't understand why you would send it 1080i anyway? You should have VP50 outputting 1080p50 for 50Hz material and 1080p24 for 60Hz material; should look fantastic. Also, you'll want to set the internal frame buffer to Pioneer to 100Hz, not 75Hz for 50Hz sources, otherwise it will introduce judder/flicker.

StooMonster

Big thanks! This cleared up lots of things for me. I'll give the VP50 another try with PS3 and XE1.

My display accepts only 720p, 1080i and 1080p24 signals through HDMI (although it's NR is 768x1365), and it also forces overscan. No 1080p50 or 1080p60. So you can't say it's the best choice to go with an external scaler. After reading this (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/feature-article-1080p-3-2007-part-1.html) article, I really want to go for a 1080p plasma. Behind the link at the footer you'll find a blueprint that shows how much hassle this resolution issue causes and how a 1080p display would resolve things.

It's sad that there isn't even one 768p plasma that would accept it's NR @50Hz via HDMI/DVI. Why didn't they just go for 720p :rolleyes:

After reading this (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/feature-article-1080p-3-2007-part-1.html) article, I really want to go for a 1080p plasma. Behind the link at the footer you'll find a blueprint that shows how much hassle this resolution issue causes and how a 1080p display would resolve things.
That's a good article but only discusses 1080i video sources, such as sport. They should do another piece on 1080p/1080i film sources and deinterlacing them.

StooMonster

That's a good article but only discusses 1080i video sources, such as sport. They should do another piece on 1080p/1080i film sources and deinterlacing them.

StooMonster

True, the scaling part in the end was quite convincing too. One would think that weaving 1080i film to 1080p is simple, but I've learned that in this field, nothing is as simple as it seems :)

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Unless your HD DVD / Blu-ray player can properly output 1080p24 (and that's a tiny percentage of them) then the best option is to set it to output 1080i and let the VP50 handle the deinterlacing and reconstruction back to 1080p, and output as 1080p24 if you so wish.
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Does your recommendation of letting the player outputting 1080i also apply if one wants 1080p60, instead of p24?

...... Some, e.g. Samsung BD player, included an additional chip in output stage that deinterlaced the 1080i60 from players off-the-shelf chipset into 1080p60 so they could claim "1080p output" in their marketing materials. ...

This sound to me that the Sammy does not do a very good job deinterlacing.
Any idea how a Playstation 3 performs in this department?

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Axel

This sound to me that the Sammy does not do a very good job deinterlacing.
Any idea how a Playstation 3 performs in this department?

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Axel
I'm curious about this too. Just hooked up a PS3 yesterday using a 1080i display, should I have the PS3 output 1080p and let the VP50 interlace, or have the PS3 output 1080i?

Gary told me that -1 is equivalent to 0 on the older models. Dale confirmed this. I have had it set at -1 since the day Gary informed me. -1 helps but the ringing still present detracts from the edge sharpness. Its not that it is unwatchable, but switching in another scaler for 720 ti 1080p upscaling of video improves the PQ.

I'm curious about this too. Just hooked up a PS3 yesterday using a 1080i display, should I have the PS3 output 1080p and let the VP50 interlace, or have the PS3 output 1080i?

The PS3 output looks better to me when set at 1080P going to my VP50. Right now I have my VP50 set to output 720P with v1.01. With v 1.00 firmware I used 1080i. But either way when i set the PS3 output to 1080i I get shimmerig in the picture when it pans. It doesn't occur when the PS3 is set to 1080P. I get teh same results whether i'm using v1.00 at 1080i output or 720P with v1.01. In both cases the shimmering is there when the PS3 outputs 1080i and it is gone at 1080P.

I cannot get 1080p24 to work reliably, so I have given up on it for now. However, when it is fixed, would it be better to feed the VP50 1080i or 1080p60 from the PS3 specifically for 1080p24 output.

Of course, by the time the VP50 is fixed, the PS3 may have 1080p24 output. :eek:

The PS3 output looks better to me when set at 1080P going to my VP50. Right now I have my VP50 set to output 720P with v1.01. With v 1.00 firmware I used 1080i. But either way when i set the PS3 output to 1080i I get shimmerig in the picture when it pans. It doesn't occur when the PS3 is set to 1080P. I get teh same results whether i'm using v1.00 at 1080i output or 720P with v1.01. In both cases the shimmering is there when the PS3 outputs 1080i and it is gone at 1080P.
Cool, that confirms my initial thoughts, it looked so good at 1080p I decided to leave that way, no need to mess with different outputs.

BTW, the PS3 hookup/setup was ridiculously easy, and seems to be far more HDCP/HDMI friendly that the Toshiba A1(flashing screens, losing sync, getting sync).

Does your recommendation of letting the player outputting 1080i also apply if one wants 1080p60, instead of p24?
This is why we're going to need new HD Digital Video Essentials etc. ;)

If the player outputs 1080i60 the VP50 should have deinterlacing of 1080i>1080p that you can trust, and it will recontruct the 1080p24 frames from the 1080i60 fields. VP50 then outputs 1080p24.

If the player outputs 1080p60 the VP50 uses "cadence detection in progressive sources" (unique to ABT's VRS, i.e. not in VXP or HQV) to extract the 24 frames from the repeated 3:2 pattern. VP50 then outputs 1080p24.

Try both, see which you prefer.

Try and spot dropping film locks (sign of bad cadence detection), artefacts such as line-twitter and moires will appear.

StooMonster

the ringing still present detracts from the edge sharpness. Its not that it is unwatchable, but switching in another scaler for 720 ti 1080p upscaling of video improves the PQ.
Scaling in my Pioneer Elite 1080p plasma (Pio's top performing display chipset) rings worse than ABT's "VRS Precision Video Scaling II" used in VPx0 products.

But you're right, "VRS Precision Video Scaling II" is not as impressive as say Lumagen's "ring free scaling" which is truely excellent, and completely ring/halo free.

Perhaps as ABT revised "VRS Precision Video Scaling" to "VRS Precision Video Scaling II" in the past, maybe we'll see "VRS Precision Video Scaling III (ring free edition)" in the future?

StooMonster

I suspect they are working on it. Its comical how they advertise their present version as "proven", as that such statement implies because it is proven that it must be good. To me, it is proven that it is better than some stuff out there and it it is also proven that it needs improvement. My guess is at Cedia they will show a new VP with a bunch of needed improvements.

I suspect they are working on it. Its comical how they advertise their present version as "proven", as that such statement implies because it is proven that it must be good. To me, it is proven that it is better than some stuff out there and it it is also proven that it needs improvement. My guess is at Cedia they will show a new VP with a bunch of needed improvements.

Tha would be nice. I would also hope it has HDMI 1.3a and two HDMI outputs. As long as DVDO continues their generous upgrade program I will continue to upgrade.