Makes sense. Too bad, The Simpsons looks like crap on my local Fox channel. Combing, etc. PReP could really help.Well, if anyone's tallying votes, count me as another request to consider adding PReP support for 720p, for exactly the same reason - crappy deinterlacing & upscaling of SD shows on Fox (and probably ABC) digital broadcasts. In my case, my local Fox station (KSAZ-DT 10.1 in Phoenix, AZ) briefly got my hopes up by listing SD simulcasts on a subchannel (10.2), but it never seems to actually have anything broadcast on it. So my thought of at least being able to PReP a crappy 480p version of SD shows from there apparently isn't an option, either. :(

Thanks!

--John

I've only had the VP for a short time and initial impressions i've had so far is that i get the best picture sending the PHD8 higher resolutions rather than pixel mapped.

From what i've seen so far via RGBHV @ 1366x768 is a less detailed picture, RGBHV @ 1080i/p is more detailed and so have gone with 1080i HDMI for the benefit of a digital connection rather than analogue.

I tried mapped via DVI but ran into a few teething problems here with the DVI board.

I will be looking at it again when i have more time to play with the settings and connections but soon i will be pairing the VP50 with a 1080P display when i get one around sept, possibly one of the new Pioneer 508 displays.

Ok. When using the DVI-board the second 1366 selection "1366x768 (2)" is the one to use.

Ok. When using the DVI-board the second 1366 selection "1366x768 (2)" is the one to use.


Thanks but i know already,

problems i had were sparklies some of the time, a washed out picture and judder as i have to FRC 50-60hz but i could try it again and spend some time setting up the connection, if i get round to it.

Well, if anyone's tallying votes, count me as another request to consider adding PReP support for 720pIt's not a matter or just adding 'support' for 720p. PReP only works if the original interlaced signal has deinterlaced but not scaled. That's not the case with 720p, so PReP will simply not function correctly.

- Dale Adams

It's not a matter or just adding 'support' for 720p. PReP only works if the original interlaced signal has deinterlaced but not scaled. That's not the case with 720p, so PReP will simply not function correctly.Ah, okay. Makes sense, now that I think about it, that scaling would be "destructive" enough to the original 480i source as to render it unrecognizable/irretrievable by PReP.

Oh well, I guess my last remaining hope is for noise reduction to make it into the VP50 soon, to help clean up 480i from (MPEG-compressed) digital cable or satellite...

--John

Question:
Will the VP50 allow a 1080p 24 input and allow cue filter and other adjustments to the picture?

Stevie you don't want to use the CUE filter for anything other than SD stuff at 480i, it will rip out all the color info beyond SD quality

1080p/24 input works perfect on my system from the Sony S1, everything is adjustable, I am using 60hz output from VP50, not a film rate which I hate

-Gary

Thanks Gary!

Stevie you don't want to use the CUE filter for anything other than SD stuff at 480i,

So do you turn it off or just leave it in auto?

Thanks

Stevie you don't want to use the CUE filter for anything other than SD stuff at 480i, it will rip out all the color info beyond SD qualityOdd. Sounds like a bug of some sort, as it ought to work perfectly well regardless of the source resolution. (And it does work just fine with 576i/p sources, by the way.) There's nothing inherent in the way the chroma filtering is being done that should prevent it from working as needed with a 1080i/p signal. I've never actually looked at it, though, so perhaps the wrong filter type is being inadvertently switched in. Have you reported this to ABT (and, if so, what did they say)?

- Dale Adams

Stevie you don't want to use the CUE filter for anything other than SD stuff at 480i, it will rip out all the color info beyond SD quality

1080p/24 input works perfect on my system from the Sony S1, everything is adjustable, I am using 60hz output from VP50, not a film rate which I hate

-Gary
Gary, different topic, I know you were a proponent of getting gamma controls in the DVDO menu. What is your take on how it was implemented? I had an occasion to play with it recently and it seems way too coarse to be of much use. I could be using it wrong of course, but it seems that steps of "10" are too much, being able to tune by a value of "1" would seem much better.

Just wondering what your thoughts are.

I have a second batch RS1 projector to replace my 3 year old JVC - HX1. What a step foreward - it is everything I expected from the favourable reviews.

I do seem, however, to have a problem with my HDMI input. The RS1 is connected via a 50m optical connection (extendit DVI 1000HDS) to a DVDO VP50 video processor. The VP50 is running the latest 1.04 firmware. DVI to HDMI cables connect the extender at each end to the RS1 and VP50. This same set up worked without problem with my HX1. Now, occasionally when I power up the system and set the VP50 to display a test pattern, the RS1 displays the message

"HDMI 1 - Frequency of Input Signal is out of Range"

Is this indicating a real problem with the video signal, or could the same message be displayed if there is a HDMI synchronisation problem. At the moment, the only way to fix the problem is to do a hard reset on both the RS1 and VP50 by removing and replacing the power cables. Is there any way I can find out what is happening? Has anyone else experienced similar problems.

PJG

I have a second batch RS1 projector to replace my 3 year old JVC - HX1. What a step foreward - it is everything I expected from the favourable reviews.

I do seem, however, to have a problem with my HDMI input. The RS1 is connected via a 50m optical connection (extendit DVI 1000HDS) to a DVDO VP50 video processor. The VP50 is running the latest 1.04 firmware. DVI to HDMI cables connect the extender at each end to the RS1 and VP50. This same set up worked without problem with my HX1. Now, occasionally when I power up the system and set the VP50 to display a test pattern, the RS1 displays the message

"HDMI 1 - Frequency of Input Signal is out of Range"

Is this indicating a real problem with the video signal, or could the same message be displayed if there is a HDMI synchronisation problem. At the moment, the only way to fix the problem is to do a hard reset on both the RS1 and VP50 by removing and replacing the power cables. Is there any way I can find out what is happening? Has anyone else experienced similar problems.

PJG

What are you fedding it from the VP50? 1080p 1080i? have you tried 1080i if you are feeding it 1080p? Try 1080i60 and see if you get any problems.

My guess us that you extendit dvi deal is not really capable of 1080p and you never knew because your old proj could only take 720p. Now you put in the bad boy and the signal is not quiet strong enough for 1080p. You can either replace your extend it with an accel powered HDMI cable, or live with 1080i (i would pull al new cable).

I have a 85ft accel powered (built in repeater) cable running 1080p to my proj without issue.

Am I close or way off?

Hi Jon

Thanks for the comment.

I am feeding 1080p/50, 1080p/60 or 1080p/24 depending upon the source material. I take your point about the long run, but I don't want to buy and pull another extension cable until I am sure that this is the problem - after all there is no loss over the optical section (in theory anyway) and the two DVI-HDMI cables are each only about 1m long.

I have now found that once I get the problem message, I need only re-boot the VP50 by removing and replacing the power cord to get the system working again. So maybe the problem is there. Unfortunately, I changed both the projector to the new RS1 and the firmware for the VP50 from 1.0 to 1.04 at the same time so I am not sure where the cause lies.

I was hoping for a quick solution without having to do a lot of detective work.

PJG

Hi Jon

Thanks for the comment.

I am feeding 1080p/50, 1080p/60 or 1080p/24 depending upon the source material. I take your point about the long run, but I don't want to buy and pull another extension cable until I am sure that this is the problem - after all there is no loss over the optical section (in theory anyway) and the two DVI-HDMI cables are each only about 1m long.

I have now found that once I get the problem message, I need only re-boot the VP50 by removing and replacing the power cord to get the system working again. So maybe the problem is there. Unfortunately, I changed both the projector to the new RS1 and the firmware for the VP50 from 1.0 to 1.04 at the same time so I am not sure where the cause lies.

I was hoping for a quick solution without having to do a lot of detective work.

PJG

Have you tried running lower resolutions, per Jon's suggestion, to see if a lower resolution signal (that requires less bandwidth) has the same issue. This is purely for troubleshooting sake.

Rebbooting the VP50 will cause a re-stablishment of the link (HDMI handshake) between the VP50 and the RS1 and a re-establishment of the link between the HDMI source and the VP50.

As an experiment pull out of the VP50 (1) the HDMI source cable and see if that also resolves the issue (2) the HDMI output cable o see if that resolves the issue. If either of those does, the problem has been isolated (a little bit further)

Hi Jon

Thanks for the comment.

I am feeding 1080p/50, 1080p/60 or 1080p/24 depending upon the source material. I take your point about the long run, but I don't want to buy and pull another extension cable until I am sure that this is the problem - after all there is no loss over the optical section (in theory anyway) and the two DVI-HDMI cables are each only about 1m long.

I have now found that once I get the problem message, I need only re-boot the VP50 by removing and replacing the power cord to get the system working again. So maybe the problem is there. Unfortunately, I changed both the projector to the new RS1 and the firmware for the VP50 from 1.0 to 1.04 at the same time so I am not sure where the cause lies.

I was hoping for a quick solution without having to do a lot of detective work.

PJG

Sure sure, just trying to help :)

Try 1080i and see what it does. let us know.

Gary, different topic, I know you were a proponent of getting gamma controls in the DVDO menu. What is your take on how it was implemented? I had an occasion to play with it recently and it seems way too coarse to be of much use. I could be using it wrong of course, but it seems that steps of "10" are too much, being able to tune by a value of "1" would seem much better.

Just wondering what your thoughts are.

Keenan, I personally use the Gamma controls on the VP50 with my CRT projector, whatever your display needs the .10 bump in either direction should do pretty well, above 1.10 or below .90 it is too severe I agree, I am glad to have any adjustment, we need that user adjustment selection to come alive, points and all, that way we can dial in our own curve ;)

-Gary

Keenan, I personally use the Gamma controls on the VP50 with my CRT projector, whatever your display needs the .10 bump in either direction should do pretty well, above 1.10 or below .90 it is too severe I agree, I am glad to have any adjustment, we need that user adjustment selection to come alive, points and all, that way we can dial in our own curve ;)

-Gary
Thanks for the input. The problem I have is with an HTPC output and I think I've found a way to make the adjustment at that end instead of the VP50, but it would be nice to have more granularity with the VP50. :)

I was on 1.00 and upgraded to 1.04 today to prepare for new HDMI TV. Now, my output works since menus show up in correct color, etc. But svideo, component and HDMI input show scrambled video. Something is there and moving but all scrambled. I tried factory reset but no go. Anyone got an idea? Thanks.

Update... DVDO got back to me and I did a hard reset (menu+exit, then plug in) and it fixed it. I'll leave this posted in case anyone else has this experience.

Anyone else still persevering with the xbox360 HD DVD drive? There was an update today and while it massively improved the sound quality, as far as I can tell the stutters when converting from 60Hz to 48Hz are still all present and correct. I suspect the xbox isn't kicking out a consistent 60 fields a second for the vp50 to work on. This is using 1080i over component using Auto, Film Bias or Forced 3:2

Can anyone confirm they also still get this issue?

YAYYYY - finally have a bug. After whining about the audio dropouts for over a year (30 and 50) - and then being totally shut up after 1.01 fixed my audio, now I have finally encountered the one I think others are having.

Broke down, got a Moto 6416 HD DVR, w/digital cable. Feeding audio thru HDMI (a first for me) and then out via toslink to my receiver. Worked fine for a week, then found Josh Z's favorite movie on Starz tonight - Sahara. For some reason lipsynch was ridiculous, had to go to 132ms to get it back in synch. (That's not the bug.) But after the movie was over, I forgot to reset the synch, and on every channel change, I got a very loud digital snap (not quite a pop, mostly it sounded like a gated bit of white noise.) Set synch back to ZERO, got the snap to go away, but then lost audio handshake after switching from an HD channel to an SD channel. Had to turn VP50 off and back on, which restored sound.

SO - noise on changing channels when extreme lipsynch is dialed in, and

2) lost audio (picture still fine) after going from HD to SD. fixed by cycling the VP's power.

YAYYYY - finally have a bug. After whining about the audio dropouts for over a year (30 and 50) - and then being totally shut up after 1.01 fixed my audio, now I have finally encountered the one I think others are having.So you're saying you're happy you have a bug? WTF? :confused:

You just lost all sympathy from me. :rolleyes:

- Dale Adams

So you're saying you're happy you have a bug? WTF? :confused:

You just lost all sympathy from me. :rolleyes:

- Dale Adams

no - not really. had just been feeling out of the loop - hadn't had a problem for so long. And since I wasn't trying to feed 1080/24 to my fancy new RS (that I don't have) - things had been great.

Guess I'm mostly happy that I can contribute to debugging this unit. Since the circumstances are fairly repeatable, and specific, I know how to avoid, and perhaps the software guys will have a bit more of an idea where to look.

As I said, once they fixed my audio dropouts, I've been quite happy with the VP50. If it turns out the PS3 bug is more tied to the VP than the Sony, then yes, they can fix that. But otherwise, this puppy is pretty well housebroken. :p

Apologies for not reading through this thread, but can someone give me a quick summary of any problems with updating to the latest firmware? Undecided whether I should proceed. 1.00 has been trouble free for me, but I'm keen to test out Prep and the new deinterlacing modes. Thanks

Gino - fwiw, 1.04 is working better for me than any previous firmware or beta I've run. I'm just running a single Runco 980 Ultra - but that's more like your rig than a panel or bulb pj. Update from 1.01 to 1.04 went smooth as silk - no problems whatsover. You will probably lose your settings when upgrading from 1.00; but the upside is that you should be able to keep your settings upon upgrade in the future. I didn't lose anything from 1.01 to 1.04 - which was very nice. Thanks, ABT. :D

(don't base anything on my above bug report - I have never run audio via hdmi, so for all I know, 1.04 is still a vast improvement over previous versions for hdmi audio. I know it is an order of magnitude better for me, when routing toslink or coax digital thru the unit.)

I don't use the VP50 for anything audio.. so no harm in going to 1.04? Will I be able to go back to 1.00 if it gives me problems?

Gino, go to 1.04 for sure ;) use the forced 3:2 mode for BD and HD, very nice :)

-Gary

When using the forced 3:2 mode, does this mean you need to watch the movie in its entirity or can you pause, skip chapter, fast forward?

yes, if you do anything like that it must take a few seconds to relock in the forced film mode, it usually takes around 6 to 8 seconds, this is perfect for HD and BD stuff, I just love it ;)

-Gary

Another vote for 1.04 here, didn't have many problems with 1.01 (slow menus being the only real issue for me) but 1.04 is great.

Gino, 1.04 is pretty much perfect .... if you use Barry Gordon's upload utility, its all done in a flash!

back up your settings as moving from 1.0 to 1.04 you may loose them ....

I'll do it this weekend then! :) Out of curiousity, what happens to the pic when you are running forced 3:2 and you skip a few chapters, you said that it needs to lock up again and it takes 8 seconds, but what are you looking at during those 8 seconds?

not good during those 8 seconds :p

sometimes it may be 2, 3 or 5 or so, it varies, this is when you skip a chapter or etc.

anything to break the lock, pausing on the XA2 nor S1 causes this though for example

as Josh has said, forced 3:2 is for watching movies all the way thru ;)

I have even used it for SD, but even with some major studio move releases I have seen it drop during what should be purely film, HD and BD is truly fine though because what is on the disc is 24 not 60 like SD DVD, I use film bias for that

-Gary

care to elaborate on not good? unwatchable?

not good during those 8 seconds :p

sometimes it may be 2, 3 or 5 or so, it varies, this is when you skip a chapter or etc.

anything to break the lock, pausing on the XA2 nor S1 causes this though for example

as Josh has said, forced 3:2 is for watching movies all the way thru ;)

I have even used it for SD, but even with some major studio move releases I have seen it drop during what should be purely film, HD and BD is truly fine though because what is on the disc is 24 not 60 like SD DVD, I use film bias for that

-Gary

Gary, P.M. me your number please. I need to chat with you about something.

Cliffy

would this help for an LCD flat panel tv as well or is it mostly just projectors?

care to elaborate on not good? unwatchable?

No, nothing like that. You'll still see the picture, but it will be very juddery for a couple of seconds until the frame rate lock is re-established. It's not a big deal. If you're skipping or fast-forwarding anyway, you've already taken yourself out of the movie experience for the time it takes to do those things.

Gino! Look at your wife for those 8 seconds. She's better than anything you will ever see on the screen! :)

And if she is not in the room, close your eyes and use your imagination.

Problem is, it's when she's not around that I'm allowed to watch

I think I've noticed a problem with deinterlacing in the v1.04 firmware, that wasn't present in v1.01 (and maybe not in v1.03).

When I'm watching Pal 576p source (DVB-C cable TV) via HDMI with PReP on, I see a lot of simple bob-deinterlacing with video material. Film deinterlacing is ok, but video gets bobbed (treated as film?). I've set the deinterlacing mode to "Auto".

I have to do more experimenting to verify this issue, but just wanted to chek if anyone else has noticed this.

Out of curiosity, how can you tell if simple bob-deinterlacing has been done?

What happens if you set the deinterlacing mode to Video?

Bob deinterlacing is equal to line doubling (actually if video content was treated as film I think I'd see combing, not line doubling).

I'll try the video mode. If I get the same result, then it might be that there's something going on with the PReP function. My cable TV box does bob for all video content (no 576i output, only 576p). And what I see might be because PReP is not functioning correctly (although it says so in VP50's info window).

I think I've noticed a problem with deinterlacing in the v1.04 firmware, that wasn't present in v1.01 (and maybe not in v1.03).

When I'm watching Pal 576p source (DVB-C cable TV) via HDMI with PReP on, I see a lot of simple bob-deinterlacing with video material. Film deinterlacing is ok, but video gets bobbed (treated as film?). I've set the deinterlacing mode to "Auto".

I have to do more experimenting to verify this issue, but just wanted to chek if anyone else has noticed this.
Definitely not noticed this on SkyHD 576p output

Dale,

does the VP50 have a high enough pixelclock to support 1080P 71.93/75 Hz

for the analogue output ?


I remember that the VP30 did have a 1080P 71.93 Hz option displayed
in the menu but it couldn't be selected


Michael

Who is Barry Gordon please and what upload utility does he have available?Something to make the updating of the VP50 firmware a more user friendly process I hope? I did the firmware upgrade but having to install and use all those apps and drivers made me sweat that I was going to kill off my VP50. Why does the VP50 use a serial connection. Isn't everything done by USB now? I had to install the usb/serial converter, then make sure I had the correct driver, then install the terra whatever software, then configure it. Aren't firmware upgrades suppose to be easier now-a-days?


Gino, 1.04 is pretty much perfect .... if you use Barry Gordon's upload utility, its all done in a flash!

back up your settings as moving from 1.0 to 1.04 you may loose them ....

http://www.the-gordons.net/

just follow the path to Barry's DVDO downloads

Bob deinterlacing is equal to line doubling (actually if video content was treated as film I think I'd see combing, not line doubling).

I'll try the video mode. If I get the same result, then it might be that there's something going on with the PReP function. My cable TV box does bob for all video content (no 576i output, only 576p). And what I see might be because PReP is not functioning correctly (although it says so in VP50's info window).

I wonder if your cable box has also scaled the output as well as bobing it. If it has, then PReP won't be able to properly retrieve the original frames - i.e. if the input to your cable box was 1080i, scaled to 576i, then bobed, PReP wouldn't work.

Norgoth,

Now you know "where" I am, you can find out who I am at the website, my Bio is there.

Please be sure you read the material on the page for downloading the Utility as it is in a state of flux waiting for some new features of the VP50 line to be released. I do not suspect you will have any problem but if you do you can always reach me by email, same domain, email name is my first name.

Anyone having audio problems with 1.04 production software? I tried letting the VP50 convert the MPCM from my XA2 into coax digital and i am getting 2ch audio like 1.01 used to do.

I will reset the power and try it again, but I did not have this issue with 1.03 and my XA1.

So I am just asking, I will test further and report my finding. Anyone using MPCM with 1.04 and have it work right?

Jon

Optical and coaxial digital connections are incapable of carrying multichannel PCM.

does the VP50 have a high enough pixelclock to support 1080P 71.93/75 Hz

for the analogue output ?


I remember that the VP30 did have a 1080P 71.93 Hz option displayed
in the menu but it couldn't be selected


A true 1080p-72 or 1080p-75 are not output options on the iScan VP50, nor are they options on any competitive video processor that I know of.

Josh is right, I'm also not aware of anything faster than 1080p60 running on them.

BTW Josh, are you getting my PMs and emails?

Optical and coaxial digital connections are incapable of carrying multichannel PCM.

I know but it used to downconvert the audio to standard DD 5.1 over coax and it sounded fine before I changed 2 things in my setup- swaped my XA1 for an XA2, and updated from 1.03 to 1.04. So I will play with my setup to see if the XA2 is the issue or the VP50.

I will post my finding.

So I am just asking, I will test further and report my finding. Anyone using MPCM with 1.04 and have it work right?

Jon


I have my PS3, HD-X1 and Oppo 970 routed to the VP-50 via HDMI with 1.04 installed.

Both the PS3 and X1 are set up to output multi channel Linier PCM and the VP-50 handles the audio just fine. There are occasions when I have to cycle inputs to get the VP to pick up the audio, but they are rare.

I use the 970 for SACD as well as DVD. The VP is having some troubles with SACD. Everything works fine if I start at the beginning of the disk and just listen to it as it progressed through tracks. But if I skip tracks, I loose all audio and have to stop the player and restart. I know it is the VP dropping the audio and not my receiver because I can see the receiver's input signal indicator go black.

"I know but it used to downconvert the audio to standard DD 5.1 over coax "

That would have been the player, not the DVDO. Perhaps the EDID changed which altered that behavior. You could just set the player for PCM output and be back where you were.

Shawn

Who is Barry Gordon please and what upload utility does he have available?Something to make the updating of the VP50 firmware a more user friendly process I hope? I did the firmware upgrade but having to install and use all those apps and drivers made me sweat that I was going to kill off my VP50. Why does the VP50 use a serial connection. Isn't everything done by USB now? I had to install the usb/serial converter, then make sure I had the correct driver, then install the terra whatever software, then configure it. Aren't firmware upgrades suppose to be easier now-a-days?
While you still need a working COM port, Barry's utility is really nice & makes it much easier than teraterm

i found following bug or effekt:

when the curtain is closed and i switch the input there is a small white flash over the screen.

Firmware: 1.04

is this normal does anyone else has this noticed ?

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fixes to be solved:
- white blinking line issue
- missing noise reduction

Thanks for the responses on Barry Gordon and the links. I will shortly read through his website. And hi to Barry himself.

Btw, I hate to ask this newb type of question, but how do you know whether the source's, dvd, cable box, etc., content is 24 or 30 fps? I would like to play around with the VP50s options, such as locking down 3:2 pulldown, but I need to know what variables I am playing with before I do.

You pretty much guess. Takes a little while to get good at that. Most big TV shows are film (24) with the rest of standard US TV being interlaced 60. I wouldn't use forced 3:2 on anything other than bluray/HD DVD.

It would be nice if the vp50 told you on the info screen what it thought it was currently dealing with.

You pretty much guess. Takes a little while to get good at that. Most big TV shows are film (24) with the rest of standard US TV being interlaced 60. I wouldn't use forced 3:2 on anything other than bluray/HD DVD.

It would be nice if the vp50 told you on the info screen what it thought it was currently dealing with.

The old iScan Plus V2 used to flash a different colored light depending on whether it switched to film or video deinterlacing mode.

A question on which deinterlacing mode to use. I am streaming 1080i/p .ts files through the xbox360 media centre/extender and the xbox360 is outputting 1080i60 to the VP50. What deinterlacing mode should I choose on the VP50? Film Bias, Video, Game mode?

Gino it depends on the source, if the source is a movie, I would use film bias, if the source is video based like HDNet stuff, sports etc. use video, if a mixture use auto(very rare)

some people are confused and ask "what about video segments in films" like someone showing a news report or home video in the film(happens very often)? films are 100% film content, same would apply to say for example a movie that was filmed partially on film stock and partially on HDTV camera, like Rocky Balboa or Star Wars Episode I, the content is all film based, not a mixture just because something may seem to be video based in a movie

-Gary

Another audio bug - or perhaps the same one many of you have been having since day 1. (new to me, since HDMI audio is new to me.)

Watching Dixie Chicks on HD-DVR - recording off ACL. great video, great sound, but I paused it - left on pause for 2-3 minutes, when I came back and hit play, no sound. Didn't come back until I switched inputs on the VP50, and then came back to HDMI2. Sound was back. Perhaps a time-based problem? - I paused and rewound a few other times, and the sound was always there when I resumed playback. I have never experienced that when routing audio via toslink or coax - so it must be something in the HDMI/hdcp between the Moto dvr and the VP50.

Not a biggie - I'm not whining - just reporting, as if V1.04 were still a beta release. On the plus side, the image produced was spectacular - and that is what is going to sell VP50s. Just as long as there is sound when the buyer happens to be auditioning it. ;)

Another audio bug - or perhaps the same one many of you have been having since day 1. (new to me, since HDMI audio is new to me.)

Watching Dixie Chicks on HD-DVR - recording off ACL. great video, great sound, but I paused it - left on pause for 2-3 minutes, when I came back and hit play, no sound. Didn't come back until I switched inputs on the VP50, and then came back to HDMI2. Sound was back. Perhaps a time-based problem? - I paused and rewound a few other times, and the sound was always there when I resumed playback. I have never experienced that when routing audio via toslink or coax - so it must be something in the HDMI/hdcp between the Moto dvr and the VP50.

Not a biggie - I'm not whining - just reporting, as if V1.04 were still a beta release. On the plus side, the image produced was spectacular - and that is what is going to sell VP50s. Just as long as there is sound when the buyer happens to be auditioning it. ;)

This happens to me all the time. It seems Tivo's propensity for swapping between Dolby Digital and Stereo really help tease out this issue. This is the one remaining bug in the VP50 that I personally still stumble over with great regularity.

- Collin

i also have found a new problem (sorry josh) it seems to me that if the HDMI input is switching from differen input resolutions the content is showing only the left upper quarter of the picture.

output is 1080p60 the PS3 is also set to 1080p60 using HDMI1

the blu-ray menu is find then i play the extras on the blu-ray disc the screen is change the input to 1080i60 (output is still at 1080p60) when i stop the play back and return to the menu sometimes it is dark or the screen is zoomed and shows only the left upper quarter corner.
for example:
ox
xx
the screen shows onl the "o" of my example if i press the 1080p60 preset button the screen show up in normal mode.

did anyone has also this kind of issue ?

firmware is 1.04.

i also have found a new problem (sorry josh) it seems to me that if the HDMI input is switching from differen input resolutions the content is showing only the left upper quarter of the picture.

output is 1080p60 the PS3 is also set to 1080p60 using HDMI1

the blu-ray menu is find then i play the extras on the blu-ray disc the screen is change the input to 1080i60 (output is still at 1080p60) when i stop the play back and return to the menu sometimes it is dark or the screen is zoomed and shows only the left upper quarter corner.
for example:
ox
xx
the screen shows onl the "o" of my example if i press the 1080p60 preset button the screen show up in normal mode.

did anyone has also this kind of issue ?

firmware is 1.04.

haven't seen that one - I also run a PS3 into the VP, via hdmi. With the PS3 set at a max output of 1080p 60, I have had no problems like yours.

I have noticed, when switching on cable box from sd (480i) to hd (1080i) that there is a fairly lengthy blue screen, waiting for a resynch - a good 2-3 seconds. Other than that, I've had no problems switching between any res, via any input.

That is, any res in - 480i/p, 720p,1080i/p - all into the VP50, and then output via hdmi at 1080i/72. Other than the delay in resynch - which is a real pain when, say, trying to go back and forth between two sporting events. But once it locks, the display is always in the expected correct format.

i also have found a new problem (sorry josh) it seems to me that if the HDMI input is switching from differen input resolutions the content is showing only the left upper quarter of the picture.

output is 1080p60 the PS3 is also set to 1080p60 using HDMI1

the blu-ray menu is find then i play the extras on the blu-ray disc the screen is change the input to 1080i60 (output is still at 1080p60) when i stop the play back and return to the menu sometimes it is dark or the screen is zoomed and shows only the left upper quarter corner.
for example:
ox
xx
the screen shows onl the "o" of my example if i press the 1080p60 preset button the screen show up in normal mode.

did anyone has also this kind of issue ?

firmware is 1.04.
I had this happen with the PS3 about 4-5 times, but lately it seems to be fine. This was with 1.04. I switched inputs and then back and that fixed it each time. I believe aaronwt had the same issue a couple of times.

I feel stupid having to ask this, but for the life of me I can't get the pieces to do what I want.

I'm watching an SD channel on an HR20. Its set to "native" so its putting out a 480i signal. The show is letterboxed. I would like to expand it to fill the screen in proper aspect ratio.

The VP50 is sending 1080p output to an XBR2.

I've tried various permutations of settings on the HR20 and the VP-50, but I must be missing something, because nothing seems to do the job.

I guess I could do a lot of zooming both horiz and vert, but I was hoping for something a little more straight forward?

Thanks!

Eric - What settings have you got for your aspect ratios on both the input and the output?

So I updated to 1.04, didn't have time to see if it caused any problems, just wanted to experiment with the new deinterlacing modes. When I choose Forced 3:2, I don't notice any stuttering when it tries to lock on, how do I know if it is working? It looks the same as when I choose Film Bias.

I'm watching an SD channel on an HR20. Its set to "native" so its putting out a 480i signal. The show is letterboxed. I would like to expand it to fill the screen in proper aspect ratio.

Thanks!

INPUT ASPECT RATIO -> Preset -> letterbox

That should do what you want. Works for me, as long as my box is outputting 480i; but bear in mind, if my stb is putting out 720p or 1080i, this doesn't work. - in that case, I can change any setting, and not get what I want. So try the above, and double check that you are actually getting 480i. If it doesn't work via HDMI, you might want to try component output, just to see if that works.

Optical and coaxial digital connections are incapable of carrying multichannel PCM.


Sorry...don't mean to be naive..but what does this mean? I newly installed the VP50 and am using my HD Tivo for HMDi1 and HD Cablebox for HMDi2....My Sony only has a DVI input so I am sending the Toslink optical for both boxes into the optical inputs of the DVDO.

The optical out from the DVDO then goes to my Denon Receiver....

Question?? Am I getting the 5.1 sound delivered to my receiver or not?... Hope this is a simple answer....

Thanks...

Cheers

Question?? Am I getting the 5.1 sound delivered to my receiver or not?... Hope this is a simple answer....


Simple answer....Yes

My previous statement means nothing to you with your current configuration. In fact, you can probably disconnect the optical audio connections you are currently using. I am using HDMI from my HD-TiVo, AppleTV and Oppo 970 (with no other connection made for audio) and optical to my receiver. If you were to add an HD-DVD or Blu-ray Disc Player then you would be not able to take advantage of the higher resolution audio formats (DD+, TrueHD, dts-HD, dts Master) with a digital connection until you upgrade your AV receiver because optical and coaxial digital audio connections are incapable of carrying these formats.

So I updated to 1.04, didn't have time to see if it caused any problems, just wanted to experiment with the new deinterlacing modes. When I choose Forced 3:2, I don't notice any stuttering when it tries to lock on, how do I know if it is working? It looks the same as when I choose Film Bias.

it should look the same Gino, grab a BD or HD disc and start it up, go into the movie and start skipping around in chapters, you will see it lose it and then comb badly until it relocks, Swordfish chapter 3 or 4 with the car driving on the oil fields is good

-Gary

I use version 1.04 and have no major complaints, but there are still some issues;

1. Sometimes I do not get any audio through the VP-50. Restarting all components in the system usually fixes this. I think this is the same problem that other have reported. It seems to be related to HDMI audio only so I am quite sure that it has something to do with HDMI handshake. I have both the PS3 and Pixel Magic MB200 connected by HDMI, but as long as this problem persists I run the HDMI through the receiver before the VP50. I would like to run the HDMI to the VP50 first as this will allow me to calibrate every component optimally.

2. Also, (and this is a more serious problem for me) I sometimes get some tearing in the bottom part of the screen when outputting 1080p24. The tearing seems to be about 1 inch above the bottom of the screen. I have seen this error from both my PS3 and a Pixel Magic MB200. The error is not always there, but it is present quite often. Once you notice it it is quite disturbing. The last time i witnessed it was with March of the Penguins and The Fountain blu-ray disc. The player is (as mentioned above) a PS3 and the projector is a Sony VPL-VW50. The signal is routed through the VP-50 and a Sony STR-DA5200ES. I also get this error from the Pixel Magic MB200. The problem is present at 1080p24 output with "24Hz locked" enabled. It is also visible with "48 Hz lock" enabled. If I switch the output to 1080p60 the problem is no longer there. I think this might be the same error witnessed in previous firmware releases, but the problem is much less visible.

I will have to write this up and send it to DVDO.

That dosen't seem to be the case for my PS3. Nothing but prologic is sent from the optical out of the VP50 when using HDMI in from the PS3. I must run an optical cable in to the VP50 along with the HDMI to get DD out to my Citation Audion Processor.

That dosen't seem to be the case for my PS3. Nothing but prologic is sent from the optical out of the VP50 when using HDMI in from the PS3. I must run an optical cable in to the VP50 along with the HDMI to get DD out to my Citation Audion Processor.

Odd, I only have HDMI from PS3 to VP50 and then Coax to my Amp.

I get DD, DTS and 2 Channel PCM okay.

It maybe that the PS3 is sending 5.1 Channel PCM to the VP50, in which case the VP50 can ONLY output the L+R 2 Channels of the PCM via Coax/Opti as that is the max that cable standard supports.

If so go into the PS3 audio setup menu and Untick all the advanced formats (everything beyond 2.0 Channel PCM 96Khz I think), the PS3 will then convert any BluRay audio to the older formats that your Amp can play.

I use version 1.04 and have no major complaints, but there are still some issues;

1. Sometimes I do not get any audio through the VP-50. Restarting all components in the system usually fixes this. I think this is the same problem that other have reported. It seems to be related to HDMI audio only so I am quite sure that it has something to do with HDMI handshake. I have both the PS3 and Pixel Magic MB200 connected by HDMI, but as long as this problem persists I run the HDMI through the receiver before the VP50. I would like to run the HDMI to the VP50 first as this will allow me to calibrate every component optimally.

2. Also, (and this is a more serious problem for me) I sometimes get some tearing in the bottom part of the screen when outputting 1080p24. The tearing seems to be about 1 inch above the bottom of the screen. I have seen this error from both my PS3 and a Pixel Magic MB200. The error is not always there, but it is present quite often. Once you notice it it is quite disturbing. The last time i witnessed it was with March of the Penguins and The Fountain blu-ray disc. The player is (as mentioned above) a PS3 and the projector is a Sony VPL-VW50. The signal is routed through the VP-50 and a Sony STR-DA5200ES. I also get this error from the Pixel Magic MB200. The problem is present at 1080p24 output with "24Hz locked" enabled. It is also visible with "48 Hz lock" enabled. If I switch the output to 1080p60 the problem is no longer there. I think this might be the same error witnessed in previous firmware releases, but the problem is much less visible.

I will have to write this up and send it to DVDO.

1. I personally don't see this issue, at least not for a while, I have both the PS3 and MB100 HDMI'd to the VP50 but I don't use them that often (got bored of the mediabox because of the flaky firmware, although current one seems a lot more stable). I take it your Amp is HDMI? Mine isn't (yet) so that might be another loose link in the HDMI/HDCP handshake chain fun that I can look forward later this year. :rolleyes:

2. Since flashing 1.04 I've not seen any issues with 1080p24 to my VW50, it's been completely stable but I've only watched 3-4 films so far. I had 1080p48 working fine too before the mess up in 1.02 or 1.03 but both of these seem stable now with 4. I have my output set to the 1080p60 preset on the VP50 menu and then the framerate set to 60->24Hz Locked. If possible you might want to try plugging the VP50 directly into the VW50 in case something is happening in the Amp.

I have my output set to the 1080p60 preset on the VP50 menu and then the framerate set to 60->24Hz Locked.

Doesn't this mean that you're actually outputting 1080p60, not 1080p24? I think you have to select both 1080p24 output and the 60Hz>24Hz framerate.

Doesn't this mean that you're actually outputting 1080p60, not 1080p24? I think you have to select both 1080p24 output and the 60Hz>24Hz framerate.Not quite. If you select the 24 Hz locked output frame-rate option then the VP50's output is indeed at 24 FPS.

The confusion here comes from the fact that the formally specified timings for 1080p at 60, 50, 48, and 24 Hz are all different. By 'timings' here I mean the number of pixel clocks in the different portions of the video signal (sync, front/back porch, active video). While most timing parameters are the same, the horizontal front porch varies significantly between these. So, to produce a 1080p24 output which meets all 'official' specs, you need to select both the 1080p24 format and the 24 Hz locked output. However, you can also get a 24 FPS output by selecting any of the 1080p formats and also specifying that the output frame rate is 24 Hz.

What makes this all even more confusing is that some displays want to see a 1080p24 signal which meets all the official timing specs, while others are perfectly happy with a 1080p signal which has, say, the 1080p60 timing for the horizontal front porch, but has a 24 Hz frame rate. This same situation is also found for 1080p48 - i.e., different displays appear to want to see different signal timings.

What this all boils down to is that you have to choose the particular combination that your display wants. Unless the display manufacturer has specified exactly what that is, you may have to experiment with different settings to see what actually works best with your display.

- Dale Adams

Eric - What settings have you got for your aspect ratios on both the input and the output?

Ok, I've done some more playing, and I think I see what is happening, but I can't find optimal settings for ease of use.

I started with

the HR20 set to Native mode, 16:9, pillar box

The VP-50 input set to HDMI auto aspect ratio (which grays out the AR settings) and preset to Letterbox

VP-50 output is set to 16:9 1080p

To get a SD Letterbox show to properly display, I need to

Change the HR20 to 4:3

On the VP-50, turn off HDMI auto aspect ratio and make sure preset is Letterbox

But with these settings, HD channels appear vertically squashed. Also, in a situation I'm not sure I can reproduce, I saw the input at one point coming in at 4:3, switched to an HD channel and it changed to 16:9, but when I changed back to an SD channel, it stayed at 16:9. Probably a bug in the HR20.

So it looks like my best choice (for family ease of use and expected result) is to keep the HR20 on 16:9, keep the VP-50 on HDMI auto aspect ratio, and then use Zoom to expand an SD LB picture to full screen and save that as a preset?

I can eyeball the horiz/vert zoom, but anyone know what the magnification should be?

Thanks!

eric

I posted below originally in the VP50 Projector Central Review thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=848747) last week, but did not receive an answer. In the meantime I believe the VP50 main thread is a better spot to ask.

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From the PC Review:
Since there aren't any HDMI 1.3 A/V receivers currently on the market, high-definition audio formats are not yet seeing a lot of use. As of now, the only way to take advantage of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, or DTS-HD is to use a high definition player's 5.1 analog outputs hooked directly into your receiver. As the VP50 does not have 5.1 inputs or outputs, it is not possible to use the lip-sync correction of the VP50 with high-definition audio formats. And when HDMI 1.3 receivers become available, HD audio formats must be fed directly to the receiver.
There is one way to take advantage of the new HD audio formats with the VP50. All HD DVD and Blu-ray players currently available can output this high resolution audio as multichannel PCM, which the VP50 can process for A/V lipsync and in turn pass to an HDMI A/V receiver and HDMI display. However, if you are a serious audiophile, or just planning to make use of the new HD audio formats via HDMI or 5.1 analog, it pays to be aware of the VP50's limitations in this area.

I could use some clarification here:

I am about to purchase a new AVR (Onkyo or Denon with HDMI1.3) to take advantage of the advanced/high resolution audio formats which can only be transmitted via HDMI, but not via Toslink/Digital. (I currently own a 3801 with Toslink/Digital only. Also analog connections are not an option for me.)

Now, I am ok with letting the source devices (PS3, XA2) decode the audio signal, not the AVR. To use the VP50’s auto switching feature and the additional HDMI port this would be my preferred signal path:
PS3/XA2 => VP50 => AVR => Ruby

Does this work or do I have to do this:
PS3/XA2 => AVR => VP50 => Ruby?

Thanks!
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Axel

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Thanks!
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Axel

Ok, I've done some more playing, and I think I see what is happening, but I can't find optimal settings for ease of use.

I started with

the HR20 set to Native mode, 16:9, pillar box

The VP-50 input set to HDMI auto aspect ratio (which grays out the AR settings) and preset to Letterbox

VP-50 output is set to 16:9 1080p

To get a SD Letterbox show to properly display, I need to

Change the HR20 to 4:3

On the VP-50, turn off HDMI auto aspect ratio and make sure preset is Letterbox

But with these settings, HD channels appear vertically squashed. Also, in a situation I'm not sure I can reproduce, I saw the input at one point coming in at 4:3, switched to an HD channel and it changed to 16:9, but when I changed back to an SD channel, it stayed at 16:9. Probably a bug in the HR20.

So it looks like my best choice (for family ease of use and expected result) is to keep the HR20 on 16:9, keep the VP-50 on HDMI auto aspect ratio, and then use Zoom to expand an SD LB picture to full screen and save that as a preset?

I can eyeball the horiz/vert zoom, but anyone know what the magnification should be?

Thanks!

eric


Well, I sometimes use a HR20 to a 720P projector. The pj will a accept all all the output resolutions so I always keep the HR20 on native. That way of course the VP50 can handle 480i. I've never used auto aspect ratio on the vp50, so not really sure if that works right or not.

Anyway, I keep the HR20 on pillar box, because I don't want the pictures stretched. When a show is letterbox I just select letterbox on the vp50, and that's all there is to it. You can also select crop on the HR20, it will do the same thing, but the picture isn't as good. I never change anything to 4:3.

So it's pretty simple really, but maybe your display handles it different than mine.

To use the VP50’s auto switching feature and the additional HDMI port this would be my preferred signal path:
PS3/XA2 => VP50 => AVR => Ruby

Is there some reason you think it would not work?

PS3/XA2 => VP50 => AVR => Ruby

Is there some reason you think it would not work?

I want to get confirmed that the VP50 passes through any advanced audio signal untouched.
I seem to recall people mentioning that they were using splitters to feed the audio signal into an amp/AVR and the video signal into the VP50.
____
Axel

Ok, I've done some more playing, and I think I see what is happening, but I can't find optimal settings for ease of use.

I started with

the HR20 set to Native mode, 16:9, pillar box

The VP-50 input set to HDMI auto aspect ratio (which grays out the AR settings) and preset to Letterbox


Thanks!

eric

That's it!! Forgot to mention it - you also have to turn off the HDMI auto aspect. Do what I said, turn off the auto aspect, and you will have what you want. (which is what you were describing, except by switching to the 4x3, you were squishing.)

Sorry to leave out such an important step. Duh. --I do this all the time, when watching HBO via SD - to have letterbox 4x3 in the middle of a giant 16x9 screen is so nasty. Plus, I still have a few letterbox, non-anamorphic dvds....not to mention my SW lds. ;)

PS3/XA2 => VP50 => AVR => Ruby



I want to get confirmed that the VP50 passes through any advanced audio signal untouched.
I seem to recall people mentioning that they were using splitters to feed the audio signal into an amp/AVR and the video signal into the VP50.
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Axel


I’m running my PS3 and X1 into the VP via HDMI and then out to my AVR (firmware 1.04). High rez PCM audio works great. I am having some trouble with SACD with my Oppo 970 though. I suppose I should try the PS3 to see if the problem is with the Oppo or not.

Doesn't this mean that you're actually outputting 1080p60, not 1080p24? I think you have to select both 1080p24 output and the 60Hz>24Hz framerate.

As Dale mentions it is kind of 1080p24. ;) The VW50 says it's receiving 1080p24 and it works and is smooth, benefit being you can set output for 50Hz input to be 50Hz output (1080p50ish) and 60Hz input to be 24Hz with one profile.

I think if you use the 1080p24 default mode it doesn't allow higher frames...

I have two displays which need different timings for 1080p so Auto Profiles aren't practical.

If I feed my Blu-ray and HD-DVD players to the VP50, stretch it for my anamorphic lens, then send the HDMI signal to my Denon 2807, then send the signal on to my RS-1, are all of the following going to happen:
1) Get all of the HD sound stuff (TrueHD, etc) to work?
2) Get the audio-synch so that I don't have to manually do delay on the sound for my receiver?
3) Have any issues at all passing through a 1080p24 signal through the receiver to the projector?

I notice the VP30 has a new beta firmware for hdmi and rgbhv/bnc passthrough mode... is this supported by the VP50 yet? i take it that this means the signal is untouched, so is there still aspect ratio control?

Not quite. If you select the 24 Hz locked output frame-rate option then the VP50's output is indeed at 24 FPS.

The confusion here comes from the fact that the formally specified timings for 1080p at 60, 50, 48, and 24 Hz are all different. By 'timings' here I mean the number of pixel clocks in the different portions of the video signal (sync, front/back porch, active video). While most timing parameters are the same, the horizontal front porch varies significantly between these. So, to produce a 1080p24 output which meets all 'official' specs, you need to select both the 1080p24 format and the 24 Hz locked output. However, you can also get a 24 FPS output by selecting any of the 1080p formats and also specifying that the output frame rate is 24 Hz.

What makes this all even more confusing is that some displays want to see a 1080p24 signal which meets all the official timing specs, while others are perfectly happy with a 1080p signal which has, say, the 1080p60 timing for the horizontal front porch, but has a 24 Hz frame rate. This same situation is also found for 1080p48 - i.e., different displays appear to want to see different signal timings.

What this all boils down to is that you have to choose the particular combination that your display wants. Unless the display manufacturer has specified exactly what that is, you may have to experiment with different settings to see what actually works best with your display.

- Dale Adams

Thanks for the explanations. I did not know this (not very intuitive).

I get the tearing when output is set to 1080p24 and frame rate is set to 24Hz locked. The tearing is also present when the frame rate is set to 48Hz locked.

I have not tried leaving the output at 1080p60 and the frame rate at 24Hz locked, so I hope that works. I can check to menu on the Pearl if it indeed receives a 1080p24 signal with this setting.

I notice the VP30 has a new beta firmware for hdmi and rgbhv/bnc passthrough mode... is this supported by the VP50 yet? i take it that this means the signal is untouched, so is there still aspect ratio control?

Wow - that would be great. One would have to think that if the poor, antiquated 30 has the hardware to do it, our VP50s should be able to do it standing on their heads.

Thanks for getting my hopes up, at least. ;)

Simple answer....Yes

My previous statement means nothing to you with your current configuration. In fact, you can probably disconnect the optical audio connections you are currently using. I am using HDMI from my HD-TiVo, AppleTV and Oppo 970 (with no other connection made for audio) and optical to my receiver. If you were to add an HD-DVD or Blu-ray Disc Player then you would be not able to take advantage of the higher resolution audio formats (DD+, TrueHD, dts-HD, dts Master) with a digital connection until you upgrade your AV receiver because optical and coaxial digital audio connections are incapable of carrying these formats.

Thanks for the reply. As I understand your answer, the HDMI from my Tivo HD, Apple TV, etc. will provide the audio to the DVDO. I just need the optical link from the DVDO to my AV receiver for the audio to be heard.

I will eventually upgrade the receiver, but for now this configuration will work...Yes?

Thanks again...

Thanks for the explanations. I did not know this (not very intuitive).

I get the tearing when output is set to 1080p24 and frame rate is set to 24Hz locked. The tearing is also present when the frame rate is set to 48Hz locked.

I have not tried leaving the output at 1080p60 and the frame rate at 24Hz locked, so I hope that works. I can check to menu on the Pearl if it indeed receives a 1080p24 signal with this setting.

As mentioned it works for me on the Pearl (why I posted ;) ) so give it a try.

Wow - that would be great. One would have to think that if the poor, antiquated 30 has the hardware to do it, our VP50s should be able to do it standing on their heads.

Thanks for getting my hopes up, at least. ;)

Yes the passthru will make it to the VP50 at some point and no you can't change aspect ratio (that wouldn't be "passthru", that would be scaling) but I think you have some control of picture settings or colour space (check for Josh posts in the vp30 thread for details).

Thanks for the reply. As I understand your answer, the HDMI from my Tivo HD, Apple TV, etc. will provide the audio to the DVDO. I just need the optical link from the DVDO to my AV receiver for the audio to be heard.

I will eventually upgrade the receiver, but for now this configuration will work...Yes?

Thanks again...

Simple answer (again)...Yes.

As Dale mentions it is kind of 1080p24. ;) The VW50 says it's receiving 1080p24 and it works and is smooth, benefit being you can set output for 50Hz input to be 50Hz output (1080p50ish) and 60Hz input to be 24Hz with one profile.

I think if you use the 1080p24 default mode it doesn't allow higher frames...

I have two displays which need different timings for 1080p so Auto Profiles aren't practical.

Big thanks Dale and ailean! I'll try this with my display too.

Anyway, I keep the HR20 on pillar box, because I don't want the pictures stretched. When a show is letterbox I just select letterbox on the vp50, and that's all there is to it. You can also select crop on the HR20, it will do the same thing, but the picture isn't as good. I never change anything to 4:3.

So it's pretty simple really, but maybe your display handles it different than mine.

Actually, for SD material, to get true native pass-through on a HR20 the format needs to be set to "stretch". There is a rather lengthly discussion about this on the DBSTalk forum.

Actually, for SD material, to get true native pass-through on a HR20 the format needs to be set to "stretch". There is a rather lengthly discussion about this on the DBSTalk forum.

Yes, if you want the video device to control the aspect ratio, which in my case I don't see an advantage in. I mostly see that for people that has a stretch function on the TV, like some of the older Pioneer's with natural wide.

I'm not sure that 480i stretch thing is still working though in the last national software release on HDMI.

Muhuska, As Josh stated yes. That is the configuration I use. I do not have any HD or BD DVD players, but I do have:

SA8300HD DVR (2) feeding various resoultions (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i) over HDMI

PC using Villagetronic Video PCMCIA card feeding 720p over Component to run a GUI for the Slim Devices Transporter and a slide show system of my own design

Sony DVD megachangers (2) feeding 480i over component

Sony PS2 feeding 720p over component

Roku Labs Photobridge HD1000 feeding 720p over component.

All audio comes out of the VP50 over toslink and feeds a lexicon MC1 processor for decoding

The component signals are routed through a KDS component switcher, a 6 channel 4x1 switcher, Channels may be used for anything, in my case I use 4 (3-component, 1 Coaxial audio)

On the video side I get a blue screen for about 2 seconds when I change inputs and a HDMI handshake is required. Once in a while I will loose audio because the input and the VP50 have stopped talking (audio only). Forcing a re initioation of the input (switch inputs) always fixes the problem since it causes an HDMI handshake to occur. I am not sure if the VP50 is causing the problem, is abetting the felony, or totally innocent. This only happens when using the fast forward and rewind while skipping commercials, so I really suspect the DVR.

I do get audio drops. It is only over HDMI and therefor from the DVR's. In every case where I investigayed and had it recorded, it was absolutely repeatable. This, IMHO, exonerates no one. I say this because in the digital world presenting the identical input to the digital processor should produce the same result (Providing of course all inpuits are provided which may not be the case. To paraphrase, "It's the memory stupid")

I’m running my PS3 and X1 into the VP via HDMI and then out to my AVR (firmware 1.04). High rez PCM audio works great. I am having some trouble with SACD with my Oppo 970 though. I suppose I should try the PS3 to see if the problem is with the Oppo or not.

I too am curious about the same things Axel mentioned since I am looking to buy a new audio receiver to take advantage of BD discs new audio formats. You say high res PCM works great, what about DTS HD and TruHD formats, are those passed through the VP50's HDMI output untouched?

Anyone running a VP50 with a Samsung HL-S series set?

Set output to 1080p 60 (unlocked) which the set should accept. Worked fine. Put up a test pattern and the set shut off.

Connected a DVD player to HDMI 2 and changed the priority input to HDMI 2 first and HDMI 1 second. Even tho the DVD player was off, the VP50 still "saw the dvd player" and put up a blue screen. When I switched back to HDMI 1 using the remote the set locked up and would not display a picture even tho it was still running.

Don't want a 3k processor shutting off/locking up my set so I plan on returning the unit.

Any advice besides do not put a 3k processor on a 2k display. :rolleyes:

I have one running 1080p60 in the HL-S5088. I believe I am outputting YCbCr 444. I looked at 422 and RGB using some HD test patterns of mine and found 444 produced the best result. (Highest chroma resolution)

Once in a while I will loose audio because the input and the VP50 have stopped talking (audio only). Forcing a re initioation of the input (switch inputs) always fixes the problem since it causes an HDMI handshake to occur. I am not sure if the VP50 is causing the problem, is abetting the felony, or totally innocent. This only happens when using the fast forward and rewind while skipping commercials, so I really suspect the DVR.

Known issue with the SA8300 HD. Fall back to component and optical.

I guess I could do the fallback thing, but in all honesty it just doesn't bother me that much. One of my main goals was to be all digital where ever possible. I believe I am all digital from the Cable head end to the PJ for HD broadcasts.

Hi Guys!
Updated my PS3 firmware to 1.80 which enables 1080p24 output from BD but I don't get any picture at that input resolution. I have to switch back to 1080p60 the get the video signal back. Is VP50 doing something? I have the original firmware. Maybe its the display which does not accept 1080p24.
Thanks,

Vinod, 1080p/24 input works fine, make sure you have latest firmware though

-Gary

After upgrading the PS3 with firmware 1.80, the VP50 accepts 1080p24 input but only if output in 1080p60 :(
When i try 1080p24 output, my RS1 goes out of sync and i must go back to 1080p60 to have a picture once again.
Anyone have this ?

the VP50 takes the 24p input and outputs at whatever your output setup is doing, same as inputting anything else like 1080i, 480i, 720p etc.

-Gary

How do you get the PS3 to output 1080P24 into the VP50? The only settings I have in the PS3 for 1080P24 output is automatic and off. Both settings only give me 1080P60 into my VP50.
I have my VP50 set to output 1080i but I guess the PS3 needs a setting to force 1080P24 and not an automatic settings which doesn't seem to work for me since we know that the VP50 can accept 1080P24 so I assume the PS3 thinks it can do a better job converting it to 1080P60. I would rather make that choice.

I had the same problem with the PS3 1080p24. 24 in 24 out to the RS1 does not work - no acceptable signal at all to the RS1. I had no problems with 1080i or p60 output from PS3 to 24 out from the VP50.

I tried PS3 direct to AVR to RS1. The RS1 was showing 59.94 input under this configuration. I read that some have gotten 24 direct from the PS3 to work with the RS1, so I'll have to investigate further whether my AVR is causing a problem.

At any rate, 24 in 24 out does not seem to be working with the VP50 and RS1, at least with the PS3. Any one have this working properly with any of the other BD players?

How do you get the PS3 to output 1080P24 into the VP50? The only settings I have in the PS3 for 1080P24 output is automatic and off. Both settings only give me 1080P60 into my VP50.
I have my VP50 set to output 1080i but I guess the PS3 needs a setting to force 1080P24 and not an automatic settings which doesn't seem to work for me since we know that the VP50 can accept 1080P24 so I assume the PS3 thinks it can do a better job converting it to 1080P60. I would rather make that choice.

The latest 1.80 ps3 firmware just added this new mode.

-Splints

the VP50 takes the 24p input and outputs at whatever your output setup is doing, same as inputting anything else like 1080i, 480i, 720p etc.

-Gary

OK fine but it does'nt work properly with PS3@1.80/24Hz input and 24hz output from the VP50
Very strange issue :confused:
Josh? :p

I am currently on the road and sadly I did have to return the RS1 to JVC. I will ask our tech support to try this with the PS3/VP50/PRO-FHD1 to see if they can determine the issue.

Running some other tests:

the 24p output works flawless ( no tearing,stutter and missing frames...) directly into the RS1 and is much more stable than with the 24hz framerate processed by the VP50 and the latest firmware ( 1080i@60--->1080@24).

No way to make work the 24p input from the PS3 and 24 output from the VP50, the PJ goes out of sync: works fine with 60 hz output :mad:

Just one question: Does the VP50 24p output is only passthrough when you input a 24p signal ? i hope so :cool:

I am currently on the road and sadly I did have to return the RS1 to JVC. I will ask our tech support to try this with the PS3/VP50/PRO-FHD1 to see if they can determine the issue.


i have the same prob with ps3 to vp50 to an lg 47LB2R with 60hz output and 50p it works 48 and 24 hz are black

i also do not understand why the 1080p24 format setting is never show up ? i did get it one time shown but don't remember how.

the lg are able to recieve 24 and 48 hz 50 and 60 hz because i get a picture when the input is 60 and the output is 24 it works but not 24 to 24

The latest 1.80 ps3 firmware just added this new mode.

-Splints

I realize this. There are only two options, automatic and off. Neither one gives me 1080P24 into my VP50. I can only get 1080P60. they need an option that forces 1080P24 so I can decide what output I want. I know the VP50 will accept a 1080P24 signal but my PS3 will not send it with v1.80 firmware.

Sorry to say this, Josh, but it's the same here:

PS3 [1080p24] -> VP 50 [1080p24 / 24Hz locked out] -> RS1 doesn't work!
:(

It works with 60Hz output, but that's really not what I want.
BTW, the direct connection (1080p24 out of the PS3 -> RS1 in, without VP50) works fine!

Cheers!

Odd, I only have HDMI from PS3 to VP50 and then Coax to my Amp.

I get DD, DTS and 2 Channel PCM okay.

It maybe that the PS3 is sending 5.1 Channel PCM to the VP50, in which case the VP50 can ONLY output the L+R 2 Channels of the PCM via Coax/Opti as that is the max that cable standard supports.

If so go into the PS3 audio setup menu and Untick all the advanced formats (everything beyond 2.0 Channel PCM 96Khz I think), the PS3 will then convert any BluRay audio to the older formats that your Amp can play.

Wow, Thanks so much! I had EVERYTHING at 96khz and below checked and that was my problem. I eliminated all but the following and now have DD, DTS and prologic from my PS3 via HDMI in and VP-50 optical out to my Citation 5.0.

I have checked...

DD 5.1
DTS 5.1
AAC
PCM 2 CH, 44.1, 88.2, 48, 96
PCM 5.1 CH, 44.1
PCM 7.1 CH, 44.1

Same here.....the new option for 1080p24 on the PS3 BD does not seem to work for me. I get good audio but no picture to my Sony VPL-VW50....But, I only have 1 disk to test it with (Telledega). Has anyone tried other disks they know is in 24?

input and output settings to 24, but no picture.....

Oh well...It's a work in progress......

Same here.....the new option for 1080p24 on the PS3 BD does not seem to work for me. I get good audio but no picture to my Sony VPL-VW50....But, I only have 1 disk to test it with (Telledega). Has anyone tried other disks they know is in 24?

input and output settings to 24, but no picture.....

Oh well...It's a work in progress......

24 in 24 out is definitely not working.

Watched The Matrix last night 1080i from XA2, 1080p24 from VP50 to RS1. Even with the "perfect" flagging, I noticed a couple of brief stutters. We definitely need 1080p24 direct output from source working.

I assume we should set the new option of standard DVD upscaler on the PS3 (1.80) to None (Off) and let the VP-50 do the scaling.

Same problem, 1080P with 24 selected does not work going through the VP. It works if I go directly to the Panasonic 1000U.

Does anyone have the PS3 w/ 7.1 channel PCM audio via HDMI working with the VP50?

I just got my VP50 working with my PS3, but only getting 5.1 PCM audio.

Thanks
Mike

Does anyone have the PS3 w/ 7.1 channel PCM audio via HDMI working with the VP50?

I just got my VP50 working with my PS3, but only getting 5.1 PCM audio.

Thanks
Mike
Yes it works for me.
I also got the 1080P24 working. I'm going through a couple of HDMI splitters and had to swap the output cables on one of the splitters. Now it works properly.
I have one HDMI splitter on the output of the PS3 and it sends one to the VP50 and one to my receiver(Denon 3806). This way I can listen to the hig rez SACD at 176khz since the VP50 is limited to 96khz. This splitter is the one I had to switch outputs to get 1080P24 working. The other splitter is on the output of my VP50. One output goes to my TV and the other goes to my receiver.

I believe the 7.1 pcm through the VP50 strarted working properly with the 1.3 or 1.4 beta.

uh - just updated PS3, 1080p24 worked first time. Sort of.

I thought I had the VP50 so I could have one fixed output to my crt projector - before, when I was using just a switcher (which was, btw, a heckuva lot less money) everything was just pass thru - so whenever a program changed res, I had to have a new memory block on my crt to properly display it. I understood that - but figured that was one big thing that the VP30 and 50 could fix.

So - that has been working as expected for quite a while - right up until half an hour ago, when I enabled 1080p24 output on the PS3. As soon as the PS3 output went from 1080i to 1080p24, the display moved to the right by almost 1/3 of a screen. (INFO on VP50 showed when input changed. Not only did bd image move, but everything shifted - including the menues displayed by the VP50.)

Can anyone tell me what is up with that? I'm running 1080i 72 locked - would unlocking it let it stay in the right place? I really can't have this happening - it is jamming the display right off the crt face - from everything I've read, this can do very bad things to my pj.

I really thought that when I set up an output on the VP50, it would stay where I needed it. This is behaving as if there was a pass thru. (which obviously isn't the case - 1080p24 in, 1080i72 out. but the input is effecting location of display on output.)

24 in 24 out is definitely not working.

Watched The Matrix last night 1080i from XA2, 1080p24 from VP50 to RS1. Even with the "perfect" flagging, I noticed a couple of brief stutters. We definitely need 1080p24 direct output from source working.

I too have noticed this outputting 1080i from an A1, 1080p24 from VP50 to RS1. I observed this while watching Sahara, The Good Shepherd, and Smokin Aces. The episodes are brief and not reproducable. I wasn't sure if this was the A1, VP50, or RS1 at fault.

24 in 24 out is definitely not working.

Watched The Matrix last night 1080i from XA2, 1080p24 from VP50 to RS1. Even with the "perfect" flagging, I noticed a couple of brief stutters. We definitely need 1080p24 direct output from source working.

A 24p direct complete passthrough output will be fine :)

Yes it works for me.
I also got the 1080P24 working. I'm going through a couple of HDMI splitters and had to swap the output cables on one of the splitters. Now it works properly.
I have one HDMI splitter on the output of the PS3 and it sends one to the VP50 and one to my receiver(Denon 3806). This way I can listen to the hig rez SACD at 176khz since the VP50 is limited to 96khz. This splitter is the one I had to switch outputs to get 1080P24 working. The other splitter is on the output of my VP50. One output goes to my TV and the other goes to my receiver.

I believe the 7.1 pcm through the VP50 strarted working properly with the 1.3 or 1.4 beta.

Ok, I got 7.1 thru the VP50 to work. Just in case anyone else runs into this issue here is what I had to do...

First on the PS3 audio output setting, instead of selecting Automatic Audio detection you must manually add your supported audio format. Once everything has been selected and confirmed I had to power off the PS3. Upon power-on my receiver was seeing the 7.1 output from the PS3.

Looks like the VP50 might only report it supports 5.1, when it can actually pass 7.1. When I by passed the VP50 the PS3 automatically detected the 7.1 that my receiver supported.

Mike

A 24p direct complete passthrough output will be fine :)

I believe Josh said that it was coming. I think that this would be a problem with the PS3 as it is currently configured. This "automatic" mode I could see causing problems. As a test I had PS3 to AVR to HDMI splitter to RS1 - it locked in at 60hz. PS3 to AVR to RS1 - locked in at 24hz. I think that the more devices in your chain, the more difficulty locking in at 24. If the PS3 doesn't lock in right away, it seems to be defaulting to 60. Sony needs to change it to a "forced 24" or "source direct" type mode.

uh - just updated PS3, 1080p24 worked first time. Sort of.

I thought I had the VP50 so I could have one fixed output to my crt projector - before, when I was using just a switcher (which was, btw, a heckuva lot less money) everything was just pass thru - so whenever a program changed res, I had to have a new memory block on my crt to properly display it. I understood that - but figured that was one big thing that the VP30 and 50 could fix.

So - that has been working as expected for quite a while - right up until half an hour ago, when I enabled 1080p24 output on the PS3. As soon as the PS3 output went from 1080i to 1080p24, the display moved to the right by almost 1/3 of a screen. (INFO on VP50 showed when input changed. Not only did bd image move, but everything shifted - including the menues displayed by the VP50.)

Can anyone tell me what is up with that? I'm running 1080i 72 locked - would unlocking it let it stay in the right place? I really can't have this happening - it is jamming the display right off the crt face - from everything I've read, this can do very bad things to my pj.

I really thought that when I set up an output on the VP50, it would stay where I needed it. This is behaving as if there was a pass thru. (which obviously isn't the case - 1080p24 in, 1080i72 out. but the input is effecting location of display on output.)

This is normal Jon, the timings are different for 1080i72 and 1080p24. I find that for myself, when doing 1080p48 vs 1080p50 vs 1080p60, the front and back porches are different. You need to fiddle with your output settings a little to bring it to where it needs to be.

it should look the same Gino, grab a BD or HD disc and start it up, go into the movie and start skipping around in chapters, you will see it lose it and then comb badly until it relocks, Swordfish chapter 3 or 4 with the car driving on the oil fields is good


Gary, so I've played around with some HD-DVD discs using this locked 3:2 mode, looks terrific and all.. when I skip chapters and fast forward and rewind etc... I get combing, but once I press play, it disappears within a second, I thought it should take a couple of seconds to resync?

Wow, Thanks so much! I had EVERYTHING at 96khz and below checked and that was my problem. I eliminated all but the following and now have DD, DTS and prologic from my PS3 via HDMI in and VP-50 optical out to my Citation 5.0.

I have checked...

DD 5.1
DTS 5.1
AAC
PCM 2 CH, 44.1, 88.2, 48, 96
PCM 5.1 CH, 44.1
PCM 7.1 CH, 44.1

I'd uncheck any PCM with more then 2 Channels, these are only supported over HDMI. (The PS3 should then downmix any high res multi channel audio into a high bitrate DD5.1 stream that works on optical).

I'd uncheck any PCM with more then 2 Channels, these are only supported over HDMI.

Thanks!

This is the very reason I post to these forums....Some issues that we all complain about could be something as simple as a little check mark in a little box that we overlook.....uncheck it - and all is right with the world!

Same here.....the new option for 1080p24 on the PS3 BD does not seem to work for me. I get good audio but no picture to my Sony VPL-VW50....But, I only have 1 disk to test it with (Telledega). Has anyone tried other disks they know is in 24?

input and output settings to 24, but no picture.....

Oh well...It's a work in progress......

Only had time to test PS3 24p -> VP50 -> 60p on my LCD last night and seemed fine, BTB/WTW stuff worked too although not tried calibrating yet.

Will have a go with the Pearl tonight as my copies of PotC 1&2 just arrived, 60i/p -> 24p has been working fine for me with 1.04.

This is normal Jon, the timings are different for 1080i72 and 1080p24. I find that for myself, when doing 1080p48 vs 1080p50 vs 1080p60, the front and back porches are different. You need to fiddle with your output settings a little to bring it to where it needs to be.

I understand the timings are different and such; if I were feeding my pj direct from PS3, it would be all over the place, and I would expect that behaviour.

But I have not changed the Output of my VP50 - it is still 1080i 72. Haven't changed any of my settings on synch, porch, or framerate. So I wouldn't expect my display to shift. Isn't the output of the VP50 supposed to be fixed, until I change it?

Should be... if you're still using the same 1080i72 output, I wouldn't expect the display to shift either.

Yes it works for me.
I also got the 1080P24 working. I'm going through a couple of HDMI splitters and had to swap the output cables on one of the splitters. Now it works properly.
I have one HDMI splitter on the output of the PS3 and it sends one to the VP50 and one to my receiver(Denon 3806). This way I can listen to the hig rez SACD at 176khz since the VP50 is limited to 96khz. This splitter is the one I had to switch outputs to get 1080P24 working. The other splitter is on the output of my VP50. One output goes to my TV and the other goes to my receiver.

I believe the 7.1 pcm through the VP50 strarted working properly with the 1.3 or 1.4 beta.


I'm running everything into the VP, then out to my AVR (yamaha 661). I get 176.4kHz from SACD through the VP-50 using the PS3 just fine, but the Oppo 970 only outputs 88.2 kHz.

I have some trouble with M-PCM. I have had to pause BR playback and re-start for it to sync.

Should be... if you're still using the same 1080i72 output, I wouldn't expect the display to shift either.

Thanks, Gino..that's what I thought.

So I'll escalate my question to the experts - Dale, Josh, anybody (sspears, and the other experts I'm not as familiar with ;) ) - have I discovered a fairly serious bug with how the VP50 handles 1080p 24 input? This could very well explain why the RS-1 users are having problems. If the VP50 throws the display halfway off my phosphor, it isn't hard to imagine bad (and seemingly random) things occuring with fixed panel devices. My crt is sufficiently forgiving to display anything until it blows up; it'll show something when other, newer devices just give up.

Dale - if you tell me output should change with input, even tho I'm not changing output, then fine. I'll chill - otherwise, I'll be most happy to formally call and report to DVDO/ABT tech. Thanks.

Wow, Thanks so much! I had EVERYTHING at 96khz and below checked and that was my problem. I eliminated all but the following and now have DD, DTS and prologic from my PS3 via HDMI in and VP-50 optical out to my Citation 5.0.

I have checked...

DD 5.1
DTS 5.1
AAC
PCM 2 CH, 44.1, 88.2, 48, 96
PCM 5.1 CH, 44.1
PCM 7.1 CH, 44.1

Also you might want to uncheck AAC, I don't think may receivers support AAC decode.

so, are there any crt'rs feeding a PS3 into their pjs? just asking, because I just got off the phone with AnchorBay Tech - very helpful, but they couldn't repeat it on their inhouse LCDs or plasmas. Figured if anyone here had the same image shift, maybe it would 1) help them nail it down, and 2) convince me that it just isn't something wierd in my setup.

fwiw, I put in a BD - the Spiderman 3 demo. PS3 set to do 1080p 24 auto. When the menu comes up, all is good - since menu is 1080p 60.. as soon as I highlight the trailer, and the actual film bit begins, then PS3 output goes to 1080p24, and my displayed image moves 3-4 foot to the right on my 10' screen. As soon as playback ends, and disc goes back to 1080p 60, everything immediately goes back to where it should be.

Am I the only one?

(I know its the holiday - at least around here - so thanks for any help and response)

I'm running everything into the VP, then out to my AVR (yamaha 661). I get 176.4kHz from SACD through the VP-50 using the PS3 just fine, but the Oppo 970 only outputs 88.2 kHz.

I have some trouble with M-PCM. I have had to pause BR playback and re-start for it to sync.

Really? My VP50 won't output 176.4Khz from my PS3. I'll get the picture but no audio. Only when I split it from the PS3 for audio and video, or go into the receiver before going to the VP50, can I get the 176.4khz audio. But if I go through the VP50 first, it won't work for me.
Is there possibly some setting I need to change in the VP50?

I tested PS3 1.8 into VP50 yesterday.

PS3 YCbCr, Superwhite On, RGB Limit -> VP50 YCbCr 444 -> Marantz VP11S1.

I used display profiles and have setup a memory for 1080i60, 1080p60 and 1080p24. PS3, HD DVD and DVD are all using profiles to output 48 Hz. TiVo Series 3 is set to output 60 Hz. I have 3 profiles just for the PS3 to deal with the various resolution.

I usually set sharpness to -1, CUE off and deinterlacing to forced 3:2. For TiVo, I use deinterlacing auto.

The VP50 and or Marantz are not always happy when the resolution / frame rate changes. I sometimes get video out of range from Marantz or blue from VP50. An input cycle usually corrects this. Sometimes audio goes out as well. Again, input cycle corrects.

The VP50 reported 24p input on my film source tests from the PS3.

Okay did a quick test.

PS3 1080p24 -> VP50 -> Sony Pearl

My normal profile for the pearl is default 1080p60 mode with;
24hz -> 24Hz Locked
25hz -> 50Hz Locked
50hz -> 50Hz Locked
60Hz -> 24Hz Locked

This worked for 1080i/p60 from HDDVD and Bluray.

With 1080p24 I get flashing and out of sync messages from the Pearl.

If I change 24Hz->24Hz Unlocked I get a picture but this can lead to frame drops.

I tried changing the VP50 mode to 1080p24 and with locked it didn't work until I changed it to 48Hz Locked, watched 10 mins of Bond without any issues.

So for now I recomend either;

PS3 1080p24 -> VP50 1080p24 @48Hz Locked -> Pearl
PS3 1080p60 -> VP50 1080p60 @24Hz Locked -> Pearl

It looks like there's either something wrong with the frame clock of the PS3 in 1080p24 or in the VP50's ability to Lock to it.

Really? My VP50 won't output 176.4Khz from my PS3. I'll get the picture but no audio. Only when I split it from the PS3 for audio and video, or go into the receiver before going to the VP50, can I get the 176.4khz audio. But if I go through the VP50 first, it won't work for me.
Is there possibly some setting I need to change in the VP50?


I don’t believe there is anything to set on the VP other than audio input. Maybe you need to set the PS3 up differently? I have HDMI audio output set to Manual, all boxes checked and the default is PCM output for both HDMI and Optical. Other than that, I don’t know what to tell you? But yes, Pink Floyd DSOTM is read as 176.4 kHz MPCM on my receiver’s display. There is one weird anomaly though, it shows this disk as a discrete 7.1 channel format and I can not get the PS3 to output it any other way but 2 channel even if I uncheck all the 7.1 boxes. – but, the surround backs are not playing anything. With the Oppo, it’s 82.2 / 5.1.

ailean - just for laughs, what happens when you feed 1080p 24 from the PS3 to the VP50, and then send out (horrors!) 1080i - either 60 or 72? I know you wouldn't want to leave it there, but I'm curious whether your VP50 has the same problem as mine, at that res. -- I may even try 1080p48 on my Runco - while it isn't a res I would want to stay at, I am curious as to which outputs act up with the 108024 input.

I think Dale mentioned before that the VP50 won't do 1080p 72 ... up to 60hz only ...

Who is that directed to Marcelo?

With the PS3 in 24 hz input mode, if you output in unlocked mode at 23,98 hz, a picture finally appears on my RS1 :)
But, there was a lot a tearing :mad:
So, There's no passtrough in 24p with the VP50 :confused:
Please, DVDO, fix the 24p (passtrough and processing framerate output) issue one time for all :cool:

Weird problem here:

Vip622 HDMI to the VP50. Video works fine but the audio doesn't work on the HD channels. Works fine on the SD channels. 622 is set to DD/PCM (also tried DD only and PCM only).

When the 622 is connected directly to the TV everything works properly.

Any ideas?



Also have a call into tech support but not sure if there open on Saturday's.


Thanks all.

i tried it and it worked 23.96 to 24.02 are working in unlocked mode. with the internal judder test bar there is a small portion of judder during wathing of movies i have to check.

so 47 LB2RF is working with 24p mode without oversan !!! :)

but i found something else :-) if i take 1080p50 mode it is in the unlocked mode i can't change the unlocked frame rate i have togot to 1080p60 and then go down to 24hz
is it also normal that i can't select to 1080p24, 1080p25 and 1080p50 modes in the output format settings ? my display is able to do so but i can't select it.
i also notice switching between my profile 1 (1080p60) and profile 2 (1080p50) will cause sometime the LCD not show a picture when in the 1080p60 mode, so i go back to 50 and then retry at 60p and then it works.

Following bug/glitches and improvements open for fix:
1.) White blinking line issue
2.) missing Discrete Deinterlacing code for "AUTO"
3.) showing 1080p24, 25p and 50p in the format settings
4.) input 24p to locked 24p output
5.) change unlocked frame rate when in 1080p50 mode
6.) able to shift the input picture horizonal and vertikal to center it for some dejusted input devices.
7.) more stability for the HDMI output timings (sometimes black screens)
8.) able to show HDCP protected content on my YUV (RGBHV) only beamer :-)))))) this would be great!
9.) able to give profiles names or show informtion for the profiles (i often forget what i saved there)

Following bug/glitches and improvements open for fix:

6.) able to shift the input picture horizonal and vertikal to center it for some dejusted input devices.
I think you can do this, it's under the Aspect Ratio menu item in the Output menu.


9.) able to give profiles names or show informtion for the profiles (i often forget what i saved there)
This would be really nice, or at least list the profile number in the Info screen. If I have to make an adjustment to a profile I have to refer to a handwritten list, and hope that I can find the list and that I actually wrote it down originally.

Weird problem here:

Vip622 HDMI to the VP50. Video works fine but the audio doesn't work on the HD channels. Works fine on the SD channels. 622 is set to DD/PCM (also tried DD only and PCM only).

When the 622 is connected directly to the TV everything works properly.

Any ideas?



Also have a call into tech support but not sure if there open on Saturday's.


Thanks all.

I would think that problem is that your display (and most diplays) can not process a Dolby Digital signal, which HD channels use for audio. Based on this I would think that "PCM only" would be the correct choice.

Do you have any other HDMI sources? Do they have similar issues?

I would think that problem is that your display (and most diplays) can not process a Dolby Digital signal, which HD channels use for audio. Based on this I would think that "PCM only" would be the correct choice.

Do you have any other HDMI sources? Do they have similar issues?


But works fine if the 622 is connected to the display bypassing the VP50. Haven't tried other sources, mostly the other sources (ps3,hd dvd) are connected through an amp.

I think you can do this, it's under the Aspect Ratio menu item in the Output menu.



This would be really nice, or at least list the profile number in the Info screen. If I have to make an adjustment to a profile I have to refer to a handwritten list, and hope that I can find the list and that I actually wrote it down originally.

but the shift is only work if you output is smaller, not to shift the input :(

What sources are shifted and what connections are you using for these sources?

What sources are shifted and what connections are you using for these sources?

hi josh you ask me this question the 3rd time in this thread :-)))))))

component inputs nd svhs inputs need to be shiftet and sdi horizontal

Sorry I can't memorize everyone's systems....

Does anyone else have similar issues?

Pharados - What are the conencted sources on your S-Video and Component inputs? Who did the modification of your SDI source?

I've noticed that with "Forced 3:2" deinterlacing, I occasionally see what look like bief horizontal scan line type artifacts on screen during bright flashes of light such as explosions or camera flashbulbs. Has anyone else notice this?

I'm still getting this artifact with HD DVD and Blu-ray content when running at 1080p24. I've noticed that it may be related to scaling the material for 2.35:1 Constant Height projection, because I seem to see it more often when I'm watching in 2.35:1 mode than when I'm in 16:9 mode.

I'm still getting this artifact with HD DVD and Blu-ray content when running at 1080p24. I've noticed that it may be related to scaling the material for 2.35:1 Constant Height projection, because I seem to see it more often when I'm watching in 2.35:1 mode than when I'm in 16:9 mode.

I also experienced this with 24p output and 3:2 forced mode.
I running in 2:35:1 also but i see this in 16:9 mode too.

But works fine if the 622 is connected to the display bypassing the VP50. Haven't tried other sources, mostly the other sources (ps3,hd dvd) are connected through an amp.
With the 622, I bypass HDMI audio and use an Optical cable directly to my receiver.
This works fine, albeit with the occassionally loss of audio (possibly due to heat).

So, exchanged the tv for a different brand and seems to work now. Very strange that the tv is the problem when it was working directly from the 622. Anyways, working now.

Thanks for the input Josh (and others)...


EDIT: spoke to soon. sd channels work, HD's don't, still works directly from receiver


look for a used VP50 on the forum. very freakin tired of this box!!!!!!!! For 3K I'm extremely disappointed. had nothing but problems since day 1...

Sorry I can't memorize everyone's systems....

no problem :D

Does anyone else have similar issues?

Pharados - What are the conencted sources on your S-Video and Component inputs? Who did the modification of your SDI source?

s-vhs is my old reciever Onkyo TX-DS939 and component are Kenwood DVF-6050j, Samsung HD945 and Nokia Dbox2.

the SDI is the philips DVD939SA, modified by my self the problem is that NTSC and pal detection is not so good. i have to change the position for ntsc discs.

earlier in this threat some one also say it is a good idea to have the input shift.

Following bug/glitches and improvements open for fix:
1.) White blinking line issue
2.) missing Discrete Deinterlacing code for "AUTO"
3.) showing 1080p24, 25p and 50p in the format settings
4.) input 24p to locked 24p output
5.) change unlocked frame rate when in 1080p50 mode
6.) able to shift the input picture horizonal and vertikal to center it for some dejusted input devices.
7.) more stability for the HDMI output timings (sometimes black screens)
8.) able to show HDCP protected content on my YUV (RGBHV) only beamer :D this would be great!
9.) able to give profiles names or show information for the profiles (i often forget what i saved there)

EDIT: spoke to soon. sd channels work, HD's don't, still works directly from receiver
look for a used VP50 on the forum. very freakin tired of this box!!!!!!!! For 3K I'm extremely disappointed. had nothing but problems since day 1...
The best way to work with the VP50 is to not ask it to do too much.
HDMI audio has been a problem from Day 1.
I just bypass...it isn't worth the aggravation IMO.
I use it mainly as a switcher and it seems to do fairly well at that. :)

The best way to work with the VP50 is to not ask it to do too much.
HDMI audio has been a problem from Day 1.
I just bypass...it isn't worth the aggravation IMO.
I use it mainly as a switcher and it seems to do fairly well at that. :)

the problem is not the vp50 it is the technic, all major brand have problems with digital connections.
this is due nobody nows what really going on.

my tvs have problems wih hdmi and hdcp. so dvdo is not alone. :(

but i think dvdo is working on this issues and try to solve them.

Do you have to do the horizontal line shift for SDI every time? I have a Panny XP50 with SDI mod; pal is right on but ntsc I must use the line shift to move it up several pixels. But only once, usually after a FW upgrade that wipes out my settings. Same went for the HD+ before it.

Do you have to do the horizontal line shift for SDI every time? I have a Panny XP50 with SDI mod; pal is right on but ntsc I must use the line shift to move it up several pixels. But only once, usually after a FW upgrade that wipes out my settings. Same went for the HD+ before it.

Your line offset setting should save independently for each resolution you input. You set it once for NTSC and once for PAL, and it will remember them the next time you use the DVD player.

Who is that directed to Marcelo?
I thought you mentioned earlier you wanted 1080p72 output, which I believe the DVDO isn't capable of.... would be nice...

perhaps I did, I've mentioned it in numerous threads :) the radiance guys are looking into its feasibility, hopefully dvdo might consider it also

perhaps I did, I've mentioned it in numerous threads :) the radiance guys are looking into its feasibility, hopefully dvdo might consider it also
I'm keen to have a look at the Radiance myself... hopefully you'll get one soon and let us know how you go! :)

CHeers,

Marcelo

@josh:
when the curtain is closed and i switch between component and sdi i get a white flsh rocking through my screen (HDMI output)
is it possible if the curtain is closed blocking the flash or is it a not solvable hardware issue ?

Following bug/glitches and improvements open for fix:
1.) White blinking line issue
2.) missing Discrete Deinterlacing code for "AUTO"
3.) showing 1080p24, 25p and 50p in the format settings
4.) input 24p to locked 24p output
5.) change unlocked frame rate when in 1080p50 mode
6.) able to shift the input picture horizonal and vertikal to center it for some dejusted input devices.
7.) more stability for the HDMI output timings (sometimes black screens)
8.) able to show HDCP protected content on my YUV (RGBHV) only beamer :-)))))) this would be great!
9.) able to give profiles names or show informtion for the profiles (i often forget what i saved there)

@josh:
when the curtain is closed and i switch between component and sdi i gut a white flsh rocking through my screen (HDMI output)
is it possible if the curtain is closed blocking the flash or is it a not solvable hardware issue ?

Following bug/glitches and improvements open for fix:
1.) White blinking line issue
2.) missing Discrete Deinterlacing code for "AUTO"
3.) showing 1080p24, 25p and 50p in the format settings
4.) input 24p to locked 24p output
5.) change unlocked frame rate when in 1080p50 mode
6.) able to shift the input picture horizonal and vertikal to center it for some dejusted input devices.
7.) more stability for the HDMI output timings (sometimes black screens)
8.) able to show HDCP protected content on my YUV (RGBHV) only beamer :-)))))) this would be great!
9.) able to give profiles names or show informtion for the profiles (i often forget what i saved there)

I would also add
10. missing discrete code for Deinterlacing 2:2 Forced.

done :-)

any more

Following bug/glitches and improvements open for fix:
1.) White blinking line issue
2.) missing Discrete Deinterlacing code for "AUTO"
3.) showing 1080p24, 25p and 50p in the format settings
4.) input 24p to locked 24p output
5.) change unlocked frame rate when in 1080p50 mode
6.) able to shift the input picture horizonal and vertikal to center it for some dejusted input devices.
7.) more stability for the HDMI output timings (sometimes black screens)
8.) able to show HDCP protected content on my YUV (RGBHV) only beamer :-)))))) this would be great!
9.) able to give profiles names or show informtion for the profiles (i often forget what i saved there)
10.) missing discrete code for Deinterlacing 2:2 Forced (by ninja.rogue)
11.) when curtain is closed flashes when switching between inputs

ailean - just for laughs, what happens when you feed 1080p 24 from the PS3 to the VP50, and then send out (horrors!) 1080i - either 60 or 72? I know you wouldn't want to leave it there, but I'm curious whether your VP50 has the same problem as mine, at that res. -- I may even try 1080p48 on my Runco - while it isn't a res I would want to stay at, I am curious as to which outputs act up with the 108024 input.

Hi Jon, had a quick go of this, with Bond again, PS3 1080p24 -> VP50 1080i60 Locked -> my 1080pLCD TV seemed to work fine, looked smoother then 1080p60 actually must be some film mode on the TV turning it into a 24Hz multiple I guess (not tried 1080i on this set before so handy experiment ;) ).

1080i72 was beyond the TV but it is *very* fussy about timings.

Not sure what issues you have but at least in the digital world it seemed fine.

Thanks aileen - finally got home. Set my VP50 output to 1080i 60. Input 1080p 24 from PS3, via hdmi. Had no problems, with menu and/or film, as the disk's output went from 1080p60 to 1080p24 - image stayed in proper place and stable.

Went back to 1080i 72 out from VP50, and the extreme image shift returned, as output changed from 1080p60 to 1080p24; evidently, since 1080i 72 isn't a res normally encountered on panel displays, it got past DVDO's testing wonks. If I'm lucky, they'll find a fix.

Why do I care? - my crt looks just a touch punchier with the 72hz refresh, and BDs look better when output at 1080p24, allowing the DVDO to scale to my preferred res. Just trying to get "any res in, any res out." ;)

I've noticed a new issue since the PS3 supported 24p as well.

If I now disable 24p output when a Blu-Ray movie starts I get only a portion of the image to display in the center of my screen. If I cycle the power or toggle the HDMI inputs then the image comes back and fills my screen.

In my setup I currently have my projector zoomed to fill the width of my 2.35:1 screen and then use the VP50 to set the video input aspect ratio to 16:9 and thus it scales the image down to fit my screen.

If I just set the PS3 to output Automatic (so it chooses 24p), then I don't see this issue. Also I didn't see it before the new firmware on the PS3.

Mike

FYI... I currently still have my output configured for 1080p60.

Mike

The same thing happens with me. I just toggle to another input and back. But 1080P24>VP50>1080i>SamsungDLP works great for me. Now if they would enable 1080P 24 from the HDXA2 player.

The same thing happens with me. I just toggle to another input and back. But 1080P24>VP50>1080i>SamsungDLP works great for me. Now if they would enable 1080P 24 from the HDXA2 player.
Same here, toggling inputs fixes it, and I'm not sure, it could be because I'm watching more BD movies now, but it seems to be happening more since 1.8.

1080P24>Denon 3806>VP50>1080i-Mits CRT-RPTV works great, I don't think I've ever seen this display look as good as it does now.

Hello,

I was wondering if someone could answer me a question related to all the recent 1080p/24 talk I've been watching even if it's slightly off-topic. I currently have a 52" Sharp LCD and I expect that it does 1080p/60 and not 1080p/24. Now I understand that it will 3:2 pulldown that will take an ABCD 24 fps output into AAABBCCCDD 60fps output.

Now if that is the case, what type of PQ issues do you run into by tripling and doubling certain frames in this pulldown? My initial guess would be that you wouldn't lose any information since your not mixing the frames, but just displaying it for 2x or 3x as long. But then again with all of the other information I've learned lately, I would like to hear a definitive word about why everyone is so crazy about 1080p/24. One guess I had is that the display people use only do 1080p/24 and not 1080p/60.

Any reason why I would want to get a VP50 to do 1080p/24 if my tv would need to do a 3:2 pulldown after that?

-Splints

You would have the VP50 go from 1080P24 to 1080P60 instead of the TV. The VP50 is more capable of that than the TV is. A 1080P24 input on the TV is great if it can show it at a multiple of 24. If it's just going to show it at 60P then the VP50 will do a better job.

Why would the VP50 do a better job? It seems repeating frames would be trivial compared to de-interlacing and scaling.

aaaron and keenan - 1080i at what refresh rate? 1080i 60 works for me, but 1080i 72 gives me the problems. Am I correct in guessing that you are outputting at 1080i 60?

aaaron and keenan - 1080i at what refresh rate? 1080i 60 works for me, but 1080i 72 gives me the problems. Am I correct in guessing that you are outputting at 1080i 60?
1080i/60Hz for me - 9"CRT based RPTV, I don't think my display would even take a 72Hz signal, never tried.

1080i/60Hz for me - 9"CRT based RPTV, I don't think my display would even take a 72Hz signal, never tried.

thanks. :) - if I hadn't read all of Mark's posts, re the superiority of 1080i at 72, I probably would be in the same position as you, and would never have even encountered this bug. Appreciate the info - every data point helps. ;)

Why would the VP50 do a better job? It seems repeating frames would be trivial compared to de-interlacing and scaling.

This is the question I'm wondering about as well. I can see if it can do noise reduction or scaling how I would want the VP50 to do this, but how about 24fps to 60fps, is there any advantage to what a decent HDTV would do?

-Splints

Doesn't the device also have to properly detect the content to consistently go from1080P24 to 1080P60? I use a PS3 for BD playback and depending whats on the disc it will output 1080i, 1080P60, and 1080P24 all from the same disc.
Plus if I've paid for a VP50 why woudn't you use that for everything instead of the TV? You have a lot of control ove the picture going through the VP50 to adjust it the way you want it.

Doesn't the device also have to properly detect the content to consistently go from1080P24 to 1080P60? I use a PS3 for BD playback and depending whats on the disc it will output 1080i, 1080P60, and 1080P24 all from the same disc.
Plus if I've paid for a VP50 why woudn't you use that for everything instead of the TV? You have a lot of control ove the picture going through the VP50 to adjust it the way you want it.
It seems to me the VP50 de-interlacing is superior for sure so why would you ever output 1080i if a display accepts 1080p?

Doesn't the device also have to properly detect the content to consistently go from1080P24 to 1080P60? I use a PS3 for BD playback and depending whats on the disc it will output 1080i, 1080P60, and 1080P24 all from the same disc.
Plus if I've paid for a VP50 why woudn't you use that for everything instead of the TV? You have a lot of control ove the picture going through the VP50 to adjust it the way you want it.

Ok, I guess I'm trying to limit the scope to 1080p/24 to 1080p/60. I can understand how the VP50 will help in de-interlacing, scaling, etc. What I don't know is that if you need to change the signal from 24hz to 60hz other than repeating frames, is there anything else a video processor would do?

Also in regards to this, why would a film look smoother at 1080p/24 vs. 1080p/60? It seems a lot of people like 1080p/24 which doesn't make a whole lot of sense in regards to quality since you have more frames in a 60fps signal than a 24...

Hope that clears things up.

-Splints

Also in regards to this, why would a film look smoother at 1080p/24 vs. 1080p/60? It seems a lot of people like 1080p/24 which doesn't make a whole lot of sense in regards to quality since you have more frames in a 60fps signal than a 24...

Hope that clears things up.

-Splints

It would flicker if played back at 24fps, but it is played back in multiples, usually either repeating frames twice (48fps), or 3 times (72). This gets rid of the flicker, and avoids judder as these are perfect multiples of the original 24fps recording rate, so every frame is treated the same way. :)

Ok, I guess I'm trying to limit the scope to 1080p/24 to 1080p/60. I can understand how the VP50 will help in de-interlacing, scaling, etc. What I don't know is that if you need to change the signal from 24hz to 60hz other than repeating frames, is there anything else a video processor would do?

Also in regards to this, why would a film look smoother at 1080p/24 vs. 1080p/60? It seems a lot of people like 1080p/24 which doesn't make a whole lot of sense in regards to quality since you have more frames in a 60fps signal than a 24...

Hope that clears things up.

-Splints

If you're talking about only framerate conversion, then the answer to your question is no, there's really nothing else to do aside from 3:2 pulldown, which is really all framerate conversion is. There are some technologies in the commercial sector that will create synthesized frames in between captured frames, but they have met with mixed success.

Film-based sources look "smoother" when displayed at 24fps (or integer multiples thereof) as compared to 60fps because you don't see one frame more than another. If you display a 24fps source at 60fps, what you're really looking at is 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, etc - i.e. 3:2 pulldown, where "odd" frames are displayed 1.5 times as long as "even" frames. This results in the artifact known as judder.

Of course, all else being equal, a source recorded at 60fps should look "smoother" than a source recorded at 24fps. However, you could display a 24fps source at 120fps (display technology refresh limitations notwithstanding) and it wouldn't look any smoother - you'd just be showing each frame 5 times.

Recently I have been experiencing lip sync issues (audio fast) with BR disks playing from a PS3 (f/w 1.8). The PS3 is connected via HDMI for video and Toslink for audio to the VP50 (f/w 1.04) and from there to a Sony Ruby / Denon 3801. Video from the PS3 is 1080p60, so the VP50 is set to 1080p59.94 locked, and PReP'ed; audio from the PS3 is set to bitstream.

I tried to adjust the lip sync settings, but it only seems to allow me to adjust to a max. of + or - 16 ms, which is not enough.

Anybody else has similar issues?

Is there a way to increase the VP50 lip sync correction time to (a lot) more that those 18ms?

TIA!
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Axel

I just got a critical error code 12 please contact your dealer on my 50's on screen display, but it still works. Without reading through all of this can someone explain what the heck? Thanks

I tried to adjust the lip sync settings, but it only seems to allow me to adjust to a max. of + or - 18 ms, which is not enough.

Anybody else has similar issues?

Is there a way to increase the VP50 lip sync correction time to (a lot) more that those 18ms?

TIA!
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Axel

haven't had that problem with my PS3 and BD - that said, are you sure you only have 18ms? I had to fix a bad Starz feed over digital cable a few weeks ago, and I'm sure I had a good quarter second either way for adjustment. - I just kept scrolling, got a value of over +/- 200 for adjustment values. Dunno what you're seeing or getting. :confused:

haven't had that problem with my PS3 and BD....
How do you route your audio? Toslink/HDMI? I assume you loop it through the VP50.


... - I just kept scrolling, got a value of over +/- 200 for adjustment values. ..

That's more like what I expected. I am using a Universal remote (MX3000) which has been working very well for navigating in the VP50 menus and ok for scrolling.
It does not seem to let me go past those 18ms :confused:. I need to pull out the stock remote and give it another try. Maybe I need to relearn the navigation keys.

Thanks!
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Axel

Axel - actually, this was thru my stb, so it was hdmi into vp50, toslink into Yamaha receiver. Or, could have been audio over hdmi also - I've run it both ways, honestly don't know which it was on that day. Sorry.

But for sure, I only use the DVDO remote, and with that had no problem accessing all the delay /predelay that I needed.

Recently I have been experiencing lip sync issues (audio fast) with BR disks playing from a PS3 (f/w 1.8). The PS3 is connected via HDMI for video and Toslink for audio to the VP50 (f/w 1.04) and from there to a Sony Ruby / Denon 3801. Video from the PS3 is 1080p60, so the VP50 is set to 1080p59.94 locked, and PReP'ed; audio from the PS3 is set to bitstream.

I tried to adjust the lip sync settings, but it only seems to allow me to adjust to a max. of + or - 18 ms, which is not enough.

Anybody else has similar issues?

Is there a way to increase the VP50 lip sync correction time to (a lot) more that those 18ms?

TIA!
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Axel

I noticed I had major lip-sync issues Pirates of the Caribbean BluRay. My audio is sent out via HDMI and I was able to adjust the lipsync by about 200ms.

With the new lipsync setting I've watched one other BluRay setting and it also seems to be in sync so I think the adjust was necessary for all blu-ray titles.

I'm currently using 1080p24 output from the PS3 and firmware 1.8. I hadn't seen any issues before the 1.8 firmware, but I wasn't using the VP50 at that time.

Another quick question... Why would you use PREP on your BluRay content that was never interlaced? My understanding of PREP is it will take a progressive frames, take them back to interlaced versions and then de-interlace them. If the content starts as progressive is sent out as progressive, why would you use PREP?

Mike

There is lip sync when 24p goes into the VP50. It seems to still be going through the deinterlacing path. I have set lip sync to 90 ms

I too am seeing major lipsync issues with my Sony BDP-S1 when i set it to 24 output. fine at 1080i output.

Thanks for your replies, guys! It seems a lot of you have issues with the 24p input to the VP50. I actually have not tried it yet. Thus far I had played only with 1080i and 1080p60 inputs and found the image "crisper" with 1080p60.
To Mike's questions about why using PReP; my approach is to use it "just in case" the PS3 (or any other input device) does not do an as good-of-a-deinterlacing-job as the VP50.

Now this raises another question:

Should I feed the VP50 24p or 60p? My output will always be 1080p59.94-locked.
(My Ruby does not accept 24p and 48 Hz via DVI looks too soft for my taste.)

Thanks!
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Axel

.....
I hadn't seen any issues before the 1.8 firmware, but I wasn't using the VP50 at that time.
....

I had not noticed those LS issues prior to 1.8 either. (I have been using my VP50 since last fall.) I should check the other PS3 threads.....
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Axel

I have used 24p into the VP50 from the Sony S1 on a few occasions, I am using analog audio output on the Sony, meaning no audio thru the VP50, I had no sync issues at all :confused:

-Gary

I have used 24p into the VP50 from the Sony S1 on a few occasions, I am using analog audio output on the Sony, meaning no audio thru the VP50, I had no sync issues at all :confused:

-Gary

Gary;
You are not disappointed, are you??
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Axel

Since we are really just now getting 24p sources, many products don't work well with them. At least the VP50 can be upgraded to correct the problem.

I currently assume 24p goes through the deinterlacing path since PReP control is enabled. I can't think a reason you would ever want to PReP 24p. :)

my vp50 for the longest time would only recognize any signal coming from my htpc as 1080i, whether I was sending it 1080i, 720p 1080p24 or 1080p60.

Something happened the last time I tried 1080p24 and now it recognizes my 1080p60 signal. Man, what a difference! Sharper and smoooother!!! I wish I could get it to recognize 1080p24 for that last drop of smoothness.

I'm using reclock to output 23.97 (whatever original framerate is). Any body else have problems getting it to sync with 1080p24?? and if so, how is it fixed?

I've been away from the thread a bit so I'll go rummaging thru the last few hundred posts for a bit.

How are you guys setting up the Vp50 to get 24 to pass?? I can't get it to work at all.

Gary, upgrade you AVR for chist sake!! You're missing out big time bubba.... :) This lossless sound is damn near as good as sex. - well maybe not, but you get the point.

Mike if folks would get off their ass and release some pre-amps with HDMI I would :p, if I had the scratch for a Anthem I would have one in a second, but so is life

-Gary

Mike if folks would get off their ass and release some pre-amps with HDMI I would :p, if I had the scratch for a Anthem I would have one in a second, but so is life

-Gary
The Denon 2807 for less than $1k does everything and has pre-outs.

Recently I have been experiencing lip sync issues (audio fast) with BR disks playing from a PS3 (f/w 1.8). The PS3 is connected via HDMI for video and Toslink for audio to the VP50 (f/w 1.04) and from there to a Sony Ruby / Denon 3801. Video from the PS3 is 1080p60, so the VP50 is set to 1080p59.94 locked, and PReP'ed; audio from the PS3 is set to bitstream.

I tried to adjust the lip sync settings, but it only seems to allow me to adjust to a max. of + or - 16 ms, which is not enough.

Anybody else has similar issues?

Is there a way to increase the VP50 lip sync correction time to (a lot) more that those 18ms?

TIA!
____
Axel
I checked last night again. Same thing - I can only scroll to + or - 16 ms (I had wrongly posted 18 ms in my initial post, but have corrected it in the meantime). I tried the remote as well as with the navigation buttons on the VP50 itself - weird.

What should I try next? Soft or Hard Reset? Josh, any advise, please?

The lip sync offset was pretty annoying so I eventually plugged the Toslink directly from the PS3 into my AVR. Afterwards it was much better than when running it through the VP50....

Any ideas what is going on?
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Axel

I would not run PReP on the 1080p out of the PS3. The PS3 does not have deinterlacing capability. If it outputs 1080p, it is straight from the disc and is perfect.

I would not run PReP on the 1080p out of the PS3. The PS3 does not have deinterlacing capability. If it outputs 1080p, it is straight from the disc and is perfect.

Thank you - that clears things up. I had asked 10 pages back or so, and then searched this thread - earlier, some had said that the PS3 takes 1080p 60, converts to 1080i, and then back to 1080p60 for output.

Curiously, (and let this be a cavaet re the veracity of some info provided here,) there were those stating that PReP cleaned up 1080p from the PS3, removing the artifacts induced by the PS3's internal processing. :eek:

Course, I'm not much better, since I tried it both ways, and couldn't see any difference with or without......(OK - I could pretend I could see a difference, but if it were double-blind, I'm pretty sure I would have failed the test.) :o

i just can say using prep on with a PS3 is make the picutre worst !!!!

at the dvd DEJA VU the is a 2 pixel white line in the menu, if you look close at the panel you see the 2 pixel white line get artifacts when the background is moving, this effect is not with prep off !!! so the real picture content is better with out prep on !! :cool:

Why would you turn Prep on for the PS3? The original content is 1080P24 not 1080i. Prep is for content that was deinterlaced by an inferior component. BD content from the PS3 was never deinterlaced. Well at least most of the movies are 1080P24.

I have a Denon 5805 (original version) and was considering doing the factory upgrade that allows it to handle 1080P HDMI as well as adds a couple more HDMI inputs. The Denon also has a scaler built in, and upconverts all inputs to 1080P, even composites. My question is this, should I spend the $1000 for this upgrade, or buy one of these? Its not so much the money, as the hassle of pulling the 90 pound Denon form the rack and shipping it and being without it for a few weeks. What is the quality difference between the two?

I have a Denon 5805 (original version) and was considering doing the factory upgrade that allows it to handle 1080P HDMI as well as adds a couple more HDMI inputs. The Denon also has a scaler built in, and upconverts all inputs to 1080P, even composites. My question is this, should I spend the $1000 for this upgrade, or buy one of these? Its not so much the money, as the hassle of pulling the 90 pound Denon form the rack and shipping it and being without it for a few weeks. What is the quality difference between the two?

I guess it would really depend on the quality of the deinternacer Denon is using... my guess is that if you can afford the DVDO it would give you better PQ results... how much better is debateable... also, does you panel accepts native rate signals? if not, probably the Denon would give you better bang for the buck .... as the DVDO really needs a panel/pj which accepts native rate signals to truly shine ....

I have the Panasonic PT-AE1000U 1080P HDTV Projector.

My full equipment list:
Screen: SND120V Stewart FilmScreen 120" FireHawk
Projector: Panasonic PT-AE1000U 1080P HDTV Projector
Line Conditioner: Panamax MAX 7500-Pro
Sat 1: Hughes HR10-250 HDTV Satellite Recivever with Tivo (Hacked with Dual 320MB Drives added)
Sat 2: Hughes HR10-250 HDTV Satellite Recivever with Tivo (Hacked with Dual 320MB Drives added)
Theater Receiver: Denon AVR-5805 1700 Watt THX Certified Receiver
Sub Amp: Carver A-760x Magnified Current, 1200 Watt THX Certified Amp
Switcher: Matrix Crosspoint 128HVA 12 Component inputs and 8 Component outputs
DVD: Denon DVD-3910 DVD Player with Faroudja video processor
HD DVD: Toshiba HD-XA2 1080P HD DVD Player
BluRay: Pioneer BDP-HD1
Audio Server: AudioReQuest F.Series 2 Zone Audio Server
VCR: Sony SLV-920HF
Game Console: Microsoft XBOX 360 with Live Service
Speaker System: Atlantic Technology System 450 THX Certified Reference speaker system.
Subwoofers: JL Audio (2) 15W3 in 2.54 Cubic Ft Sealed Enclosures
Subwoofer Amplifier: THX Certified Atlantic Technology 325 Mono Amplifier
Remote Control: Crestron TPS-5000
File Server PC: Snap Server 2200, 320GB
Media Center PC: XP Media Center Edition PC for fun and games
Housewide Multizone Amplifier: Phoenix Gold MX1260 12 channel amplifier

I have a Denon 5805 (original version) and was considering doing the factory upgrade that allows it to handle 1080P HDMI as well as adds a couple more HDMI inputs. The Denon also has a scaler built in, and upconverts all inputs to 1080P, even composites. My question is this, should I spend the $1000 for this upgrade, or buy one of these? Its not so much the money, as the hassle of pulling the 90 pound Denon form the rack and shipping it and being without it for a few weeks. What is the quality difference between the two?

The Denon MKII uses Faroudja DCDi processing for de-interlacing. Although its diagonal line processing was touted for quite some time as being some of the best around, it's an older technology and does have macroblocking issues.

The scaling options on the MKII upgrade are relatively limited - you can basically tell the receiver whether you want the output to be 16:9 or 4:3 AR, and you can scale any signal up to through 1080p.

The VP50 will give you much greater flexibility and functionality, but depending upon your needs it may or may not be overkill. I'd love to see at least some flexible scaling options included in the next generation of Denon receivers with video processing on board. It would be awesome to have all the scaling/frame rate conversion/picture controls/gamma correction/etc. available in stand alone video processors fused into the higher end next generation Denon receivers. Who knows if this will happen though.

So the short answer is, if you only need de-interlacing and very basic scaling, the upgrade may be the way to go. If you need some more flexible scaling and other video processing options, the VP50 would be well worth the money, and you can buy a used one for around $1600-$1800.

Mostly I watch HD DVD or the BluRay in my theater. Will I notice much difference with these sources? Next is regular DVDs from the Denon DVD-3910 DVD Player with Faroudja video processor. Would I notice much difference here? And finally is the Hughes HR10-250 HDTV Satellite Recivever, how about here?

If the 3910 allows you to output 480i, on a big screen you may notice somewhat of an improvement with the VP50 over the MKII video processing. Since you have a front projector, you also have the option of doing a vertical stretch scaling for use with an anamorphic lens down the road - the VP50 will allow you to do this, the MKII upgrade will not.

The main thing I could think of that you could get out of a VP50 with HD DVD and BD is using it to send a 24fps picture to your projector (if it will accept it) to eliminate judder.

With just regular broadcast TV, the VP50 will definitely do a better job of de-interlacing 1080i than the MKII upgrade will.

FWIW, I downloaded the remote codes for a Harmony 880 from the Logitech site.
Seems to work well.

Is anyone familiar with the signal processing in an 862x chip (used in almost
all network media players), or is using one with a vp50?

I'm running a network media player into my vp50 and converting the signal to 1080p into a jvc 56fn97 lcos display.

I've noticed recently that some programming, particularly MLB extra innings, looks extremely bad when fed at 480p over hdmi into the vp50 with the 'prep' feature turned on (480i is not possible over hdmi with the sigma chip, and i haven't tried
480i over component yet). The picture is better when scaled by the sigma chip to 1080i, so that the vp50 can do the conversion to progressive. I conclude then that the scaler (480 to 1080) is much more tolerable in the sigma chip than whatever evil it is doing in converting 480i to 480p, some of which seemingly cannot be undone by the 'prep' feature.

Anyone else notice this or have any idea what is going on? I notice this problem much more on TS files captured from cable TV than on DVD.

Just got my VP50 and the slip that came with it said to go to www.dvdo.com/register to register it, but that just redirects to http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/systems/ and I don't see a place to register it. Is there a new URL?

FWIW, I downloaded the remote codes for a Harmony 880 from the Logitech site.
Seems to work well.

Did you download them or where they added to your account?

Did you download them or where they added to your account?
Downloaded.

A question re: VP50 and calibration.

I watch mainly Pal sources but as i am using a 50PHD8 via Dvi (which accepts only 60hz for pixel mapping) and so i am using frame rate conversion in the VP50 (which is excellent and the best i've seen yet).

When i output the in built test patterns from the VP(60hz) to the display, will this be in NTSC because my VP output is 60Hz or will this be Pal(60)?

Downloaded.

and how did you get them into your remote?

Preparing to purchase a VP50 so I went to Anchorbaytech and looked for a online reseller. I'm concerned about the differences in price I am seeing.

Amazon 2999
Fry's (outpost.com) 2499
BH Photo 2295

Why the huge disparity in price? Are these models somehow different or considered b-stock? Warrantied?

Preparing to purchase a VP50 so I went to Anchorbaytech and looked for a online reseller. I'm concerned about the differences in price I am seeing.

Amazon 2999
Fry's (outpost.com) 2499
BH Photo 2295

Why the huge disparity in price? Are these models somehow different or considered b-stock? Warrantied?

Good questoin. Especially because if you want to use the upgrade program, as I do, you get almost NO advantage trading in an HD+ over BH Photo for example.

Does the VP50 have a single color saturaton control? Can I adjust the R, G B levels individually? I have an RS1 that needs help. In addition, is there an adjustable Gamma, I'd like to be able to tweak the low level gamma to get the picture to pop.

Good questoin. Especially because if you want to use the upgrade program, as I do, you get almost NO advantage trading in an HD+ over BH Photo for example.

So if I want to upgrade to a newer model in the future I have to pay 2999 for the device and/or just buy it directly from anchorbaytech ?

So if I want to upgrade to a newer model in the future I have to pay 2999 for the device and/or just buy it directly from anchorbaytech ?

no - you should be able to buy one anywhere you want, or used from someone on this forum, or Vinnie on the street corner. ;) - all Raoul was saying is that his price from DVDO, after trade, isn't much different than BH Photo's price w/o trade.

DVDO does allow you to try for a month, to be sure it works in your system - no idea if other resellers are as forgiving as that.

Preparing to purchase a VP50 so I went to Anchorbaytech and looked for a online reseller. I'm concerned about the differences in price I am seeing.

Amazon 2999
Fry's (outpost.com) 2499
BH Photo 2295

Why the huge disparity in price? Are these models somehow different or considered b-stock? Warrantied?


If they get it back in stock try www.ecost.com (It was even a little cheaper when they had it in stock, I might have got the last one they had) Ecost is listed as an authorized reseller. Thats where I got mine. I ran into some issues, but don't believe it was ecost's fault. I've had no problems working with DVDO's tech support since I got it thru an authorized reseller. The unit was brand new.

Mike

Anyone know of a way to change the background color from blue to black?

If you don't have a source turned on, but have a the VP50 on I get a blue screen. I would really like this to be black.

It seams that when a source changes resolution, etc... then the VP50 displays blue again. This is very annoying in a really dark room. Your watching the screen then all of a sudden the screen becomes bright blue.

Mike

Does the VP50 have a single color saturaton control? Can I adjust the R, G B levels individually? I have an RS1 that needs help. In addition, is there an adjustable Gamma, I'd like to be able to tweak the low level gamma to get the picture to pop.


It has individual gamma controls for R,G,B under Output setup/gamma control.

and how did you get them into your remote?
With the supplied USB cable.
Do you not have one?

TreborS;
You may also want to check with our forum hosts for VP50 pricing. Theirs is usually very competitive and in addition they offer excellent support.
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Axel

TreborS;
You may also want to check with our forum hosts for VP50 pricing. Theirs is usually very competitive and in addition they offer excellent support.
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Axel

That would be www.avscience.com? I don't see an online store. Do I just call a sales rep?

look at the sticky at the top of the forum and call Jason

-Gary

That would be www.avscience.com? I don't see an online store. Do I just call a sales rep?
URL is correct. However, they do not have an online store. You can contact them either via email/pm (the former seems to work better for me:)) or just do as Gary suggested.
____
Axel

Just call, email or PM a sales rep. Here is the link with all the needed contact info.


http://www.avscience.com/contact.htm

Anyone know of a way to change the background color from blue to black?

If you don't have a source turned on, but have a the VP50 on I get a blue screen. I would really like this to be black.

It seams that when a source changes resolution, etc... then the VP50 displays blue again. This is very annoying in a really dark room. Your watching the screen then all of a sudden the screen becomes bright blue.

Mike

I also wonder if they will fix this. Yes.... VERY annoying.

I thought this was the TV since my TV does the same thing. I didn't realize the VP50 was creating the Blue screen.

Hey, my kids love it.
"Blue wall"
"Black wall"
"Red wall" (fox warning screen)

DVDO does allow you to try for a month, to be sure it works in your system - no idea if other resellers are as forgiving as that.

That is NICE! Wish they'd offer a good online price that you could trade against...

For those of you that are not aware of it, there is a thread about the VP50 and 1080p24 input here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857640

Well, for the 2nd time now, the VP50 is only outputting a green screen (not from the test menu). It does this from any input, including composite video, and even does it on the component output, when its selected. I've tried a factory default reset, and power cycling it a few times. When plugging my Panasonic plasma directly to any of the components via HDMI, it works just fine.

This has happened once before, where the "factory default" fixed the problem...

I'm running my HR10-250 TiVo, PS3, HDA2, and other components to the VP50, then out to my Panasonic TH65-PF9UK