I'm wondering if anyone has seen an upconversion from component to HDMI that isn't fully functional. I'm getting the video and audio from my comcast cable box to the VP50 just fine and the video is upconverted to HDMI, but the audio does not seem to be upconverted with it. Has anyone else seen this issue before? Any recommendations?

Equipment:
Mot 6412 DVR/Cable STB (via Component)
PS3 (via HDMI)
VP50 (HDMI out to Yama 661)
Yamaha 661 (HDMI out to LCD)
Sharp LC-60C52U

Connections: PS3 and DVR connected to the VP50 which sends out HDMI to the 661 which is sending out HDMI to the LCD.

-Splints

I'm wondering if anyone has seen an upconversion from component to HDMI that isn't fully functional. I'm getting the video and audio from my comcast cable box to the VP50 just fine and the video is upconverted to HDMI, but the audio does not seem to be upconverted with it. Has anyone else seen this issue before? Any recommendations?

If you're using the cable box's component video outputs, I assume audio is connected by Coax or Toslink? I don't think the VP50 will combine audio from an SPDIF input with its HDMI output. Hopefully someone else can confirm.

If you're using the cable box's component video outputs, I assume audio is connected by Coax or Toslink? I don't think the VP50 will combine audio from an SPDIF input with its HDMI output. Hopefully someone else can confirm.

Currently I'm just using the RCA jacks for audio. I assumed the VP50 would be able to combine them, but if not, what would work? Optical and Component then?

-Splints

Yes it will take the SPDIF input and transmit it over HDMI. That is what I'm doing with my Comcast Motorola cable box I use for On Demand. It only has a DVI output so I run audio over an optical cable to the VP50. I only use the HDMI out for the VP50 and I get the DD audio just fine.

Edit: It's a Scientific Atlanta cable box

Yes it will take the SPDIF input and transmit it over HDMI. That is what I'm doing with my Comcast Motorola cable box I use for On Demand. It only has a DVI output so I run audio over an optical cable to the VP50. I only use the HDMI out for the VP50 and I get the DD audio just fine.

I stand corrected.

I have SDI from my yam dvd combined with analog audio (in the VP50) and sent hdmi to my bedroom plasma, works fine.

Anyone using a Panasonic Blu-ray player with the VP50? I'm going to get one and wondered how things are working between these two? Thanks. SJ

Anyone using a Panasonic Blu-ray player with the VP50? I'm going to get one and wondered how things are working between these two? Thanks. SJ

I tried it and the Sony S1 through my VP50 and the Sony has a better picture so I bought the Sony BD player.

I bought BD10A last night & connected it to VP50 with VP50 sending the signal to 720p PJ. During previews I am getting horrible jaggies but the main feature is ok. The picture looks a bit soft & less detailed compared to PS3. Both are outputting 1080p60. All the picture settings are at 0. Panasonic is set to progressive "on" & "auto 2". Deinterlacing modes are blanked out on VP50 menu. What am I doing wrong? Is it the player?
Thanks,

How does the VP50 compare to the Lumagen VisionHDQ as far as image quality from SD sources?

I bought BD10A last night & connected it to VP50 with VP50 sending the signal to 720p PJ. During previews I am getting horrible jaggies but the main feature is ok. The picture looks a bit soft & less detailed compared to PS3. Both are outputting 1080p60. All the picture settings are at 0. Panasonic is set to progressive "on" & "auto 2". Deinterlacing modes are blanked out on VP50 menu. What am I doing wrong? Is it the player?
Thanks,
set progressive "off".

I will try setting the progressive to "off" but according to manual this setting is fixed to "on" if HDMI is used for video output.

Whatever you need to do to get 1080i to the VP50. It may be that if you turn HDMI off it will send 1080i over HDMI anyway or you can send 1080i over component.

I will try setting the progressive to "off" but according to manual this setting is fixed to "on" if HDMI is used for video output.

That way, the VP50 won't be deinterlacing, only re-scaling the signal.

Can VP50 pass audio via HDMI (including advanced codecs in PCM format) out to receiver without any problems with the original firmware or do I need to update the firmware? The current firmware on my VP50 is 1.0. I am planning to connect HDMI out from VP50 to HDMI in of Integra DTR-7.7 & from Integra to the PJ.

Here is what worked best with my 720p front projector -

Toshiba XA-2 HD-DVD -> component -> VP-50 -> RGBHV -> PJ
Toshiba XA-2 HD-DVD -> HDMI -> Denon 2807 AVR

Unfortunately on Panny the progressive is fixed to "on" if HDMI is used. I set the output to 1080i on Panny with VP50 doing the deinterlacing & in this mode the picture looks a bit sharper & cleaner compared to Panny outputting 1080p. Seems like the deinterlacer on Panny is softening the picture a bit which probably is more apparent on a bigger screen. I will try it on my Sammy 50" 1080p dlp tonight to see what happens.

Unfortunately on Panny the progressive is fixed to "on" if HDMI is used.
Huh?
My BD10 outputs HDMI 1080i just fine. :confused:

I set the output to 1080i on Panny
So does his.

So I'm getting tons of interlacing in subtitles when using this with my Oppo 970 480i over HDMI... Any suggestions? Seems to be fieldmatching the picture and screwing up the subtitles in the process.

Dan, I had alot of issues with the Oppo 970 via 480i into the VP50 when doing my comparison against the 981 via SDI, handshaking problems and other issues which cause jaggies and combing with the 970, very strange

I didn't care for the combo myself, the 981 SDI was much better, not that that helps you, you may want to make sure you have no HDMI issues though (like mentioned above)

-Gary

Can VP50 pass audio via HDMI (including advanced codecs in PCM format) out to receiver without any problems with the original firmware or do I need to update the firmware? The current firmware on my VP50 is 1.0. I am planning to connect HDMI out from VP50 to HDMI in of Integra DTR-7.7 & from Integra to the PJ.
The VP50 can pass audio via HDMI. It will pass Dolby Digital, DTS and multichannel PCM, but you will probably have to upgrade your firmware for PCM. I say probably because it may depend on your HDMI sources and downstream components. For my setup I got a high frequency tone added to mulitchannel PCM with 1.0. With the latest firmware I no longer get this and it works fine most of the time. However, I still sometimes lose audio over HDMI, typically after a FF or rewind operation on the source. The only fix I have found is to switch the VP50 to another input then switch back. This usually restores the audio on the first try.

I don't know about advanced codecs like DD True HD. I think this would require HDMI 1.3 and I have never seen anything to indicate that the VP50 supports it. But maybe someone from DVDO can provide a definite answer.

The VP50 can pass audio via HDMI. It will pass Dolby Digital, DTS and multichannel PCM, but you will probably have to upgrade your firmware for PCM. I say probably because it may depend on your HDMI sources and downstream components. For my setup I got a high frequency tone added to mulitchannel PCM with 1.0. With the latest firmware I no longer get this and it works fine most of the time. However, I still sometimes lose audio over HDMI, typically after a FF or rewind operation on the source. The only fix I have found is to switch the VP50 to another input then switch back. This usually restores the audio on the first try.

I don't know about advanced codecs like DD True HD. I think this would require HDMI 1.3 and I have never seen anything to indicate that the VP50 supports it. But maybe someone from DVDO can provide a definite answer.

The VP50 will never pass bitstream Dolby Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or DTS Master Audio. This is not possible within the HDMI 1.1 specs. The only possibility is that DVDO provides a hardware upgrade for the unit, but it seems more likely that they will launch a VP60 or something like that. The VP50, with its HDMI 1.1, can pass PCM. Dolby Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD and DTS Master Audio can be converted to PCM in some Blu-ray and HD-DVD players. When implemented correctly this should be lossless, so there will not be much difference in audio quality. This makes the VP50 quite futureproof as long as the audio issues get fixed in firmware updates.

I have tried several times to connect all my sources to the VP50 and then to the AVR, but the HDMI audio switching in the VP50 does not provide a good solutions. About half the time I get no audio. Switching HDMI inputs and restarting the components sometimes fixes the problem and sometimes not. It is very frustrating for a $3K component. Each time I try this configuration I end up switching back to: Source -> AVR -> VP50 -> Projector. This works because there is no need for audio switching. The problem is that it does not allow for individual configuration of each source.

Also, I have just tried to connect the new Sony BDP-S1E Blu-ray player (this is the new european modell that is just out). Unfortunatly the VP50 will not accept the 1080p24 output from this player. It gives no image at all, only a blue flashing screen on the projector when HDMI handshake is incomplete.

I do know that VP50 will not pass bitstream advanced codecs but I would like to know if it can pass advanced codecs in PCM format once thay are decoded in the player.

I do know that VP50 will not pass bitstream advanced codecs but I would like to know if it can pass advanced codecs in PCM format once thay are decoded in the player.

Yes, it does this just fine.

yep, but be quite, don't tell anyone that all we will ever need is PCM via HDMI for HD/BD :rolleyes:

-Gary

The VP50 will never pass bitstream Dolby Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or DTS Master Audio. This is not possible within the HDMI 1.1 specs. The only possibility is that DVDO provides a hardware upgrade for the unit, but it seems more likely that they will launch a VP60 or something like that. The VP50, with its HDMI 1.1, can pass PCM. Dolby Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD and DTS Master Audio can be converted to PCM in some Blu-ray and HD-DVD players. When implemented correctly this should be lossless, so there will not be much difference in audio quality. This makes the VP50 quite futureproof as long as the audio issues get fixed in firmware updates.

I have tried several times to connect all my sources to the VP50 and then to the AVR, but the HDMI audio switching in the VP50 does not provide a good solutions. About half the time I get no audio. Switching HDMI inputs and restarting the components sometimes fixes the problem and sometimes not. It is very frustrating for a $3K component. Each time I try this configuration I end up switching back to: Source -> AVR -> VP50 -> Projector. This works because there is no need for audio switching. The problem is that it does not allow for individual configuration of each source.

Also, I have just tried to connect the new Sony BDP-S1E Blu-ray player (this is the new european modell that is just out). Unfortunatly the VP50 will not accept the 1080p24 output from this player. It gives no image at all, only a blue flashing screen on the projector when HDMI handshake is incomplete.

The only audio problem I sometime run into is with my PS3. The VP50 will get stuck in 7.1 but for me I use an HDMI splitter on the output of the PS3 so one out put goes to my VP50 and one goes to the VP50. This also allows me to play the 176Khz pcm from SACD. For some reason my VP50 won't pass that. Anyway, all my other audio sources work fine with the VP50. And it also works well with the 1080P24 video output of the PS3. HDMI 1.1/1.2 is fine for me now. If they came out with a VPxx that had HDMI 1.3 I would still probably trade up, but I would also have to upgrade my receiver and switches( I also have an HDMI splitter on the output of the VP to send audio to the receiver and video to the TV)to HDMI 1.3 to be able to take advantage of it. Although my new TV supposedly has HDMI 1.3, although I have no idea how I could verify this.

The only audio problem I sometime run into is with my PS3. The VP50 will get stuck in 7.1 but for me I use an HDMI splitter on the output of the PS3 so one out put goes to my VP50 and one goes to the VP50. This also allows me to play the 176Khz pcm from SACD. For some reason my VP50 won't pass that. Anyway, all my other audio sources work fine with the VP50. And it also works well with the 1080P24 video output of the PS3. HDMI 1.1/1.2 is fine for me now. If they came out with a VPxx that had HDMI 1.3 I would still probably trade up, but I would also have to upgrade my receiver and switches( I also have an HDMI splitter on the output of the VP to send audio to the receiver and video to the TV)to HDMI 1.3 to be able to take advantage of it. Although my new TV supposedly has HDMI 1.3, although I have no idea how I could verify this.

If I understand you correctly you split the signal from you PS3, so that no sound is sent to the VP50. Have you connected any other devices with HDMI audio or do you use the toslink or coax audio connections?

What AVR do you use? I use the Sony STR-DA5200ES.

If I understand you correctly you split the signal from you PS3, so that no sound is sent to the VP50. Have you connected any other devices with HDMI audio or do you use the toslink or coax audio connections?

I'm also looking for a splitter. Which device are you using?

I'd like to send video output from the VP to the PJ, and audio to a receiver.

If I understand you correctly you split the signal from you PS3, so that no sound is sent to the VP50. Have you connected any other devices with HDMI audio or do you use the toslink or coax audio connections?

What AVR do you use? I use the Sony STR-DA5200ES.

I can still use the VP50 for audio if I want.
i use A Denon 3806 receiver. I have one device that uses an optical input, my Comcast On Demand cable boxes. My other devices use HDMI.

I'm also looking for a splitter. Which device are you using?

I'd like to send video output from the VP to the PJ, and audio to a receiver.

I'm using a couple of ConnectGear 1x2 HDMI splitters. I've also used the Monoprice HDMI splitter. I like the Connectgear better because it is only 1/3 the size of the Monoprice Splitter.
I got them for a good price from Provantage.

I'm also looking for a splitter. Which device are you using?

I'd like to send video output from the VP to the PJ, and audio to a receiver.

I use the gefen 1x4 http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3354 and send it to my projector, DLP RPTV, LCD TV and plasma tv. It works pretty well.

Today I discovered something strange with my VP50. It generates noise in my audio system. To eliminate all other possibilities, I physically unplugged the power to all components (including the VP50). The only component I left on was the power amp. As soon as I connected power to the VP50 it started to boot up and there was a low pink noise in all my speakers. The VP50 was definitely the cause of this.

I have all my components connected to a "hub" with surge protection. I discovered that moving the VP50 power cord to another wall socket solved the noise problem. It might have something to do with a ground-loop as I have a bit old electrics in my building.

So this might be a tip if some of you are experiencing noise issues: use a separate wall socket for you VP50.

I had exactly the same problem. At first we have exchanged the power supply, but with no positive effect or any change.

The exchange of the whole VP-50 was necessary!

Now everything works fine in my setup.

re the vp50 noise issue. It's an earthing thing. I stopped mine from buzzing/humming by connecting an unused phono lead between my dvd player and amp. I only need to do this when the vp50 is in circuit.

What is better?

Samsung BD-P1000: 1080p
VP50: PReP ON

or

Samsung BD-P1000: 1080i
VP50: PReP OFF

If I remember correctly, I think the BD-P1000 doesn't send out the true 1080p image, but takes 1080i, then converts it to 1080p and then sends it out.

If this is true, then I would have the Samsung send 1080i to the VP50 and let your video processor do all the work. If not then you are using PreP to guess what the origional 1080i image was so you can create a 1080p output. Makes more sense to take the origional 1080i image and have your expensive VP do the conversion.

TO: JOSH@DVDO

When can we expect the next VP50 software release and what will be probably the new features, respectively improvements?

as Mike says, most certainly the second option on the Samsung

a scaler is so sensitive that they really need a isolation transformer between them and the power, I use a custom made balanced unit on my VP50

I have heard horror stories of folks frying scalers because of a ground loop between components :eek:, of course you can strip the ground plug, but this isn't ideal at all

-Gary

If I remember correctly, I think the BD-P1000 doesn't send out the true 1080p image, but takes 1080i, then converts it to 1080p and then sends it out.

If this is true, then I would have the Samsung send 1080i to the VP50 and let your video processor do all the work. If not then you are using PreP to guess what the origional 1080i image was so you can create a 1080p output. Makes more sense to take the origional 1080i image and have your expensive VP do the conversion.

I tested both with the BD S.W.A.T., but I saw no difference. So I take interim 1080i.
Maybe other users tell their experiences with Samsung BD-P1000 and VP50 ...

When use PReP? Only if the source can't send an interlaced signal?

My Display is a Panasonic-plasma TH-42PHD6 - native resolution 1024x768 accept 50, 60, 72, 48 and 24Hz at VGA.

If I remember correctly, I think the BD-P1000 doesn't send out the true 1080p image, but takes 1080i, then converts it to 1080p and then sends it out.

If this is true, then I would have the Samsung send 1080i to the VP50 and let your video processor do all the work. If not then you are using PreP to guess what the origional 1080i image was so you can create a 1080p output. Makes more sense to take the origional 1080i image and have your expensive VP do the conversion.

I agree with this entirely. The BD-P1000 should be set for 1080i.

When use PReP? Only if the source can't send an interlaced signal?

Yes, if you have interlaced content that is being de-interlaced and sent out as progressive video, then you want to use PReP so you can get back to the interlaced content and then let the VP50 do the processing.

I need some HELP.

My VP50 does not work anymore and it shows "Serial Error 20 - Contact your dealer". I did a hard reset (via restarting when pressing exit and menu button), but still that error message.

What does it meant, does anyone know the problem?

Thanks in advance.

I recently purchased the Sony Blu-Ray BDP-S300 player and have it connected to my VP50 via HDMI. The VP50 outputs to my Sony KDF-70XBR950. The S300 allows me to select the video level and gives me the options of Y,Cb,Cr; RGB (16-235) and RGB (0-255).

Which video level would be preferable for my setup?

I recently purchased the Sony Blu-Ray BDP-S300 player and have it connected to my VP50 via HDMI. The VP50 outputs to my Sony KDF-70XBR950. The S300 allows me to select the video level and gives me the options of Y,Cb,Cr; RGB (16-235) and RGB (0-255).

Which video level would be preferable for my setup?

YCbCr.

I need some HELP.

My VP50 does not work anymore and it shows "Serial Error 20 - Contact your dealer". I did a hard reset (via restarting when pressing exit and menu button), but still that error message.

What does it meant, does anyone know the problem?

Thanks in advance.

Uhhh, sometimes on 4th and 20 - You gotta PUNT......

Ever consider doing what it said? Contact your dealer/DVDO and get it repaired and save yourself the heartache and time figuring out what else could be done?

For anyone looking to buy a VP50. You may want to check out frys.com, as they have a special 4th of July sale going on right now. And the VP50 is one of the items that is included in the sale, and they show it for a fairly decent price.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

they sell VP50 at Fry's ?!

they sell VP50 at Fry's ?!

And the VP30 and VP20. The VP30 is also on sale. They are some very good prices.

@ mike_orst, Gary Murrell, Josh Z

Thank you for your statements to the Samsung BD-P1000. :)
I take 1080i.

In addition to my subtitle combing problem previously mentioned, I noticed last night that I'm still getting combing on some PS2 stuff. I was playing Okami and text was showing interlacing on transitions.

I kind of wonder if I'd have been better off going for a Realta-based machine... Seems like this thing isn't helping me that much.

For anyone looking to buy a VP50. You may want to check out frys.com, as they have a special 4th of July sale going on right now. And the VP50 is one of the items that is included in the sale, and they show it for a fairly decent price.

Holy Crap :eek: I guess its a good price.

Too late for me, but thanks for the heads up anyway - here in the Midwest, I was pretty much unaware of Frys. They also have some outstanding deals on BD disks, so your post was still much appreciated. :)

Sold out. Note that it is only a good price if you were an original purchaser back when there was a great demand. That is a standard street price now.

if 1799.99 is the standard street price for a VP50 then I must have missed something big indeed, any DVDO dealer will know what I am talking about

-Gary

Actually, I was thinking of the price with the strikethrough. I forgot that you add it to your cart to see the real price. That notwithstanding, even the shopping cart price is readily available. Makes you wonder how much of a markup is on these things if authorized dealers can sell it for that.

Edit: I withdraw the readily available comment. After further research, that is for B-stock. So, if Frys is selling new stock (and there is no notation they aren't) that is a rare price indeed.

FYI.... eCost.com (an authorized reseller) used to have it listed for about the same price (it doesn't even show up anymore). Thats where I ordered mine.

I'm trying to slowly work my way through this thread and have yet to find an answer.

Is the VP50 a good match for the upcoming 58" 1366x768 Panny Pro Plasma (with DVI board) considering I have a PS3, oppo 970 dvd player, and Directv HR20? I would feed the VP50 a native signal from each source via HDMI, which is a mix of 480i (via Oppo & DirecTV), 720p (via DirecTV), 1080i (via DirecTV), and 1080p (via PS3).

Will I get 1:1 with no reprocessing by the plasma's scaler? If not is the VP50 still a wise addition?

BTW - I plan let the VP50 do my audio switching as well and output a single digital optical or digital coaxial line to my non-HDMI pre-pro.

Thanks in advance for your replies!

I'm trying to slowly work my way through this thread and have yet to find an answer.

Is the VP50 a good match for the upcoming 58" 1366x768 Panny Pro Plasma (with DVI board) considering I have a PS3, oppo 970 dvd player, and Directv HR20? I would feed the VP50 a native signal from each source via HDMI, which is a mix of 480i (via Oppo & DirecTV), 720p (via DirecTV), 1080i (via DirecTV), and 1080p (via PS3).

Will I get 1:1 with no reprocessing by the plasma's scaler? If not is the VP50 still a wise addition?

BTW - I plan let the VP50 do my audio switching as well and output a single digital optical or digital coaxial line to my non-HDMI pre-pro.

Thanks in advance for your replies!

Yes, that will work fine with the DVI-board. You'll get 1:1 pixel map.

As I read through the wealth of information in these forums it is clear that that many have valued from adding their VP-XX video processor to their setup. I am specifically interested in understanding the 'requirement' for the display to accept its native resolution (1:1 pixel mapping) in order to benefit from a video processor.(Similar to the question in the previous post)
In my case, I am trying to determine if it is worth while getting a VP-50, when I am told my 58'' Panasonic plasma will not accept its native resolution of 1366 x 768. If I simply select 720p as the output of the VP-50, then let my display take it to its native resolution, do I come out with a net zero gain? To help put this into perspective, my first goal is better picture quality from SD.(No, I am not expecting miracles that would make SD look like HD). I am happy (for now!) with my HD broadcast, and I have not started to get my feet wet with 1080p stuff, so even the VP-20 could fit the bill. Now I just need some help assessing the impact based on my display not accepting its native resolution. :rolleyes:
I am just coming up to speed on all of this, so my apologies if I mis-represented anything. I am just trying to educate myself so I can make the best decision.

Regards,
Rob

Can someone please tell me if the Panasonic TH50PF9UK (http://www.visualapex.com/plasma/Plasma_details.asp?VA=Panasonic&chPartNumber=TH-50PF9UK) is a good match with DVDO VP50?

Any word on new VPxx devices coming out? I keep wondering when I will come onto this forum and see the "New DVDO Iscan VP60" (or whatever) thread? :) My unit seems pretty rock solid at this point. Kudos to DVDO for their ongoing support... SJ

As I read through the wealth of information in these forums it is clear that that many have valued from adding their VP-XX video processor to their setup. I am specifically interested in understanding the 'requirement' for the display to accept its native resolution (1:1 pixel mapping) in order to benefit from a video processor.(Similar to the question in the previous post)
In my case, I am trying to determine if it is worth while getting a VP-50, when I am told my 58'' Panasonic plasma will not accept its native resolution of 1366 x 768. If I simply select 720p as the output of the VP-50, then let my display take it to its native resolution, do I come out with a net zero gain? To help put this into perspective, my first goal is better picture quality from SD.(No, I am not expecting miracles that would make SD look like HD). I am happy (for now!) with my HD broadcast, and I have not started to get my feet wet with 1080p stuff, so even the VP-20 could fit the bill. Now I just need some help assessing the impact based on my display not accepting its native resolution. :rolleyes:
I am just coming up to speed on all of this, so my apologies if I mis-represented anything. I am just trying to educate myself so I can make the best decision.

Regards,
Rob

I am in a similar boat as you and I know enough that one of your points is inaccurate. You won't be outputting 720P from the VP50, but (ideally) a resolution of 1366x768, or 768P, the native resolution of your display. Therefore, in theory, there shouldn't be any additional processing necessary if the display and the input you are using supports dot-to-dot mode. Which 1366x768 displays allow you to bypass the internal scaler and achieve 1:1 if fed NR is a difficult question to answer, one I struggle to answer myself. I've talked to Panasonic, my calibrator and ABT and all have told me a Panasonic Professional display, DVI board, and VP50 is the way to go. However, some members at avsforum have hinted that the video processor in the Panny is not truly bypassed since you can still adjust the aspect ratio within the menu.

Regarding the VP-20, I believe only the VP-50 accepts a 1080p signal, which would be downscaled to 1366x768 (again, ideally to avoid double processing by the display). You can go with a BR or HDDVD player that outputs a 1080i signal and be ok with the VP20 or VP30.

The vp20 and VP30 only have 1080P pass thru, assuming it's been implemented. I think it has. But I knew I would have several 1080P sources and pass thru doesn't allow you to use the ability of the VPXX to it's full potential so I traded in my VP30 as soon as the VP50 was first released.
Hopefully some newer models will be announced. Not that I really want to spend some more money. But if DVDO sticks will their generous upgrade program,I won't have a choice since I've been able to get great deals from the trade inprogram when I upgraded to the VP30 and then to the VP50.

I am in a similar boat as you and I know enough that one of your points is inaccurate. You won't be outputting 720P from the VP50, but (ideally) a resolution of 1366x768, or 768P, the native resolution of your display. Therefore, in theory, there shouldn't be any additional processing necessary if the display and the input you are using supports dot-to-dot mode. Which 1366x768 displays allow you to bypass the internal scaler and achieve 1:1 if fed NR is a difficult question to answer, one I struggle to answer myself. I've talked to Panasonic, my calibrator and ABT and all have told me a Panasonic Professional display, DVI board, and VP50 is the way to go. However, some members at avsforum have hinted that the video processor in the Panny is not truly bypassed since you can still adjust the aspect ratio within the menu.

Regarding the VP-20, I believe only the VP-50 accepts a 1080p signal, which would be downscaled to 1366x768 (again, ideally to avoid double processing by the display). You can go with a BR or HDDVD player that outputs a 1080i signal and be ok with the VP20 or VP30.

My particular display is not the pro series, but the TH-58PX60U. As far as I can tell, that display will not accept its native resolution(1366x768), so no matter the circumstance the internal scalar of the plasma will always play a role. ABT have indicated that it would be best to use 720P(or 1080i) as the output of the VP-XX, as that is the closest to my resolution. I am still concerned that I will not get much of a gain in PQ. It would be benefical if I could truly understand the importance of 1:1 mapping being supported by a display before the benefits of a VP-XX could be realized. If it is that critical, I could still swap to a different display as I am still within the return window for the panny I currently have.

Rob

hi, does anyone uses the HDfury with the hdmi output and then transform into a VGA signal ?

my plans are VP50 output 1360x786x60 hz to the HDMI and then via the HDfury to my toshiba LCD

do you think this is possible ?

SJHT,

Traditionally, press releases about new products are usually out around Sept (CEDIA) or January (CES).

Can someone please tell me if the Panasonic TH50PF9UK (http://www.visualapex.com/plasma/Plasma_details.asp?VA=Panasonic&chPartNumber=TH-50PF9UK) is a good match with DVDO VP50?

Should be a very good match. Just make sure you get the DVI-board for the PF-model. TY-FB9FDD

Wondering if anyone here is seeing the same thing...

Using the VP40 (1.04 firmware) and a PS3 and using HDMI. Sometimes the my receiver is only sent the front left and front right audio signals. Ususually cycling the power on the VP50 causes my receiver to detect the full 5.1 channel input.

This doesn't always happen just sometimes.

Mike

Wondering if anyone here is seeing the same thing...

Using the VP40 (1.04 firmware) and a PS3 and using HDMI. Sometimes the my receiver is only sent the front left and front right audio signals. Ususually cycling the power on the VP50 causes my receiver to detect the full 5.1 channel input.

This doesn't always happen just sometimes.

Mike


I have seen (heard :)) this one with my setup (same as yours).

As a long shot, do you also have the latest f/w for the PS3?

____
Axel

My particular display is not the pro series, but the TH-58PX60U. As far as I can tell, that display will not accept its native resolution(1366x768), so no matter the circumstance the internal scalar of the plasma will always play a role. ABT have indicated that it would be best to use 720P(or 1080i) as the output of the VP-XX, as that is the closest to my resolution. I am still concerned that I will not get much of a gain in PQ. It would be benefical if I could truly understand the importance of 1:1 mapping being supported by a display before the benefits of a VP-XX could be realized. If it is that critical, I could still swap to a different display as I am still within the return window for the panny I currently have.

Rob

I would swap displays. The TH-58PH10UK Panny Professional should be out in a few weeks (Visualapex.com already taking preorders) and will have a street price comparable to the 60U. You'd need a DVI board and a HDMI to DVI-D adapter too.

does the vp50 have problems with some switchers ?

i need a 1 input to 4 outputs ? any idea ?

I've used a Monprice 3x1 and 5x1 switch and a ConnectGear 4x1 switch on the VP50 inputs without any problems. I've also used a ConnectGear 1x2 HDMI splitter and a Monoprice 1x2 HDMI splitter on the VP50 output without any problems.

My VP50 is supposed to come in tomorrow and I'm staying home to sign for it. The first thing I'm going to do is watch some Star Trek Voyager and other shows and movies that I recorded on my replay and saved to my laptop hard drive.

I'm going to connect the laptop to the VP50, and the VP50 to my 7.1 receiver set to pass a pure video signal to my 1080p projector. Is there anything I need to know about setting this up that isn't explained clearly in the manual? I'm not connecting the audio to the VP50 because I have 7.1 speakers.

This is my first time using a stand alone video processor and I really hope the image improves enough for me to justify my nearly $2,000 cost.

I was hoping someone from DVDO could comment on when the next firmware for the VP50 will be ready and what issues will be be adressed.

Here is my wishlist (I have mentioned some of this previously);

1. Fixed 1080p24 input. The VP50 does not accept the 1080p24 signal from Sony BDP-S1E and the BDP-S300. There are also other 1080p24 related input/output issues.

2. Improved stability for the 24p reverse pulldown. When viewing 1080p60 (film) and 720p60 (film) content at 1080p24 the VP50 is not totally stable. The picture will sometimes stutter as the VP50 drops a few frames. Also there is some tearing in the extreme low end of the picture

3. Improved audio switching stability. I often loose sound when I route sound through the VP50.

I did a search within this thread for "noise reduction." I see that a lot of members have asked about the future firmware update adding noise reduction and detail enhancement. But, I've never seen a response for Josh whether it's still in the cards or something that will appear in the VP 70 (I assume the future product model)?

I would love to see the implementation before Sept, so I have an idea as to the value of DVDO vs the competition's new product. At this point, with prices for new units going down to used pricing (what used units sold for within the last 30 days or so), the value of my VP50 has taken a significant hit.

At this point, I don't see myself continuing to upgrade to the next DVDO model, as I've done during the last two model trade-in programs. By Sept., I'll probably be jumping ship.

Ron

As I read through the wealth of information in these forums it is clear that that many have valued from adding their VP-XX video processor to their setup. I am specifically interested in understanding the 'requirement' for the display to accept its native resolution (1:1 pixel mapping) in order to benefit from a video processor.(Similar to the question in the previous post)
In my case, I am trying to determine if it is worth while getting a VP-50, when I am told my 58'' Panasonic plasma will not accept its native resolution of 1366 x 768. If I simply select 720p as the output of the VP-50, then let my display take it to its native resolution, do I come out with a net zero gain? To help put this into perspective, my first goal is better picture quality from SD.(No, I am not expecting miracles that would make SD look like HD). I am happy (for now!) with my HD broadcast, and I have not started to get my feet wet with 1080p stuff, so even the VP-20 could fit the bill. Now I just need some help assessing the impact based on my display not accepting its native resolution. :rolleyes:
I am just coming up to speed on all of this, so my apologies if I mis-represented anything. I am just trying to educate myself so I can make the best decision.

Regards,
Rob

Just a bump on this one ... is there any value in using a VP-XX if the display will not accept its native resolution?

I have seen (heard :)) this one with my setup (same as yours).

As a long shot, do you also have the latest f/w for the PS3?

____
Axel


Yep, I also have the latest F/w for the PS3.

I am in the process or trying one thing differently... On the PS3 for BluRay/DVD audio output, I'm now selecting Bit-Stream instead of PCM. Just trying to see if it makes a difference.

Mike

My VP50 is supposed to come in tomorrow and I'm staying home to sign for it. The first thing I'm going to do is watch some Star Trek Voyager and other shows and movies that I recorded on my replay and saved to my laptop hard drive.

I'm going to connect the laptop to the VP50, and the VP50 to my 7.1 receiver set to pass a pure video signal to my 1080p projector. Is there anything I need to know about setting this up that isn't explained clearly in the manual? I'm not connecting the audio to the VP50 because I have 7.1 speakers.

This is my first time using a stand alone video processor and I really hope the image improves enough for me to justify my nearly $2,000 cost.

FYI... I also have a 7.1 channel receiver and have been able to send 7.1 channel audio from the PS3 thru the VP50 and then to my receiver.

I did a search within this thread for "noise reduction." I see that a lot of members have asked about the future firmware update adding noise reduction and detail enhancement. But, I've never seen a response for Josh whether it's still in the cards or something that will appear in the VP 70 (I assume the future product model)?

I would love to see the implementation before Sept, so I have an idea as to the value of DVDO vs the competition's new product. At this point, with prices for new units going down to used pricing (what used units sold for within the last 30 days or so), the value of my VP50 has taken a significant hit.

At this point, I don't see myself continuing to upgrade to the next DVDO model, as I've done during the last two model trade-in programs. By Sept., I'll probably be jumping ship.

Ron
Me too.
My incoming Integra 9.8 pre/pro has the Reon built in...very interested in taking it for a drive.

Just a bump on this one ... is there any value in using a VP-XX if the display will not accept its native resolution?

Surprised no one has stepped up to answer this one. Personally I think there's value, but how much is hard to quantify, since the display will rescale the signal.

The guys that answer the phone at Anchor Bay Tech (AKA DVDO) are very helpful. You might find what you're looking for there.

Me too.
My incoming Integra 9.8 pre/pro has the Reon built in...very interested in taking it for a drive.

taking a scaler built into a pre-amp on a "drive" vs the VP50 won't be much of a comparison IMHO ;)

-Gary

taking a scaler built into a pre-amp on a "drive" vs the VP50 won't be much of a comparison IMHO ;)

-Gary
I'll let ya know in a few weeks.

My particular display is not the pro series, but the TH-58PX60U. As far as I can tell, that display will not accept its native resolution(1366x768), so no matter the circumstance the internal scalar of the plasma will always play a role. ABT have indicated that it would be best to use 720P(or 1080i) as the output of the VP-XX, as that is the closest to my resolution. I am still concerned that I will not get much of a gain in PQ. It would be benefical if I could truly understand the importance of 1:1 mapping being supported by a display before the benefits of a VP-XX could be realized. If it is that critical, I could still swap to a different display as I am still within the return window for the panny I currently have.

Rob
not getting 1:1 you would still benefit from a scaler - if the panel accepts 1080p, then I believe this is the best option sinc most panel scalers do better at downscaling then upscaling, and the DVDO would have done the deinterlacing... 1080i will have your panel do the deinterlacing.... , so if your panel doesn't accept 1080p, 720 is a good option to try ....

now, when you compare the same panel receicing 720p vs native.... its clearly improved - greater depth, more detail, more 3-D.... that's why in my case I bought a VP then went looking for a suitable panel....

it will improve, the question is if you would find the ROI suitable or not based on the improvements....

not getting 1:1 you would still benefit from a scaler - if the panel accepts 1080p

The 60u does not accept 1080p.

not getting 1:1 you would still benefit from a scaler - if the panel accepts 1080p, then I believe this is the best option sinc most panel scalers do better at downscaling then upscaling, and the DVDO would have done the deinterlacing... 1080i will have your panel do the deinterlacing.... , so if your panel doesn't accept 1080p, 720 is a good option to try ....

now, when you compare the same panel receicing 720p vs native.... its clearly improved - greater depth, more detail, more 3-D.... that's why in my case I bought a VP then went looking for a suitable panel....

it will improve, the question is if you would find the ROI suitable or not based on the improvements....

big_marcelo/Magnus_CA - Your input is much appreciated. It gives me some clear guidance and a basic understanding of what to expect. Magnus_CA is correct; my display is 720P with a native resolution of 1366x768. Now that I have a little more insight into how these VP's work, I might start looking for a suitable display which at least will accept its native resolution. Many thanks again to all that chimed in to help me out. Now I just wish I had that magic list of which displays truly can do 1:1 mapping. It does not seem to be one of those items that you find in the published specs.

Best Regards,
Rob

big_marcelo/Magnus_CA - Your input is much appreciated. It gives me some clear guidance and a basic understanding of what to expect. Magnus_CA is correct; my display is 720P with a native resolution of 1366x768. Now that I have a little more insight into how these VP's work, I might start looking for a suitable display which at least will accept its native resolution. Many thanks again to all that chimed in to help me out. Now I just wish I had that magic list of which displays truly can do 1:1 mapping. It does not seem to be one of those items that you find in the published specs.

Best Regards,
Rob

There are 50" 1366x768 displays that accept 1080p (see Pioneer HDP-6070). But there is no 1:1 on that panel either. The new 1080p 8G Pioneer Kuros DO provide 1:1 via HDMI when fed 1920x1080 but they will cost an arm and a leg and are not due out until Sept. Please read up on the Pioneer PDP607CMX (also pricey) and the Panny 58-PH10UK (may be hard to find at that price once they hit the distribution chain). Both may be more in line with what you are looking for. If you receive confirmation of 1:1 via DVI when fed NR on either I'd be interested to hear it. I still have my sights on the Panny, but I'm starting to consider a projector now too!

the NEC does take 1:1 via scaler via HDMI (I have the XR5 50").... but its hard to find displays which do take 1:1

the NEC does take 1:1 via scaler via HDMI (I have the XR5 50").... but its hard to find displays which do take 1:1

Yep, that's another one. Unfortunately, the NEC's are pricey. The PDP-6010 1080P Pioneers will most likely street for less than that!

the NEC does take 1:1 via scaler via HDMI (I have the XR5 50").... but its hard to find displays which do take 1:1

HDMI? Did you have to buy that card separately? According to the specs the only digital input is 24-pin DVI-D!

big_marcelo/Magnus_CA - Your input is much appreciated. It gives me some clear guidance and a basic understanding of what to expect. Magnus_CA is correct; my display is 720P with a native resolution of 1366x768. Now that I have a little more insight into how these VP's work, I might start looking for a suitable display which at least will accept its native resolution. Many thanks again to all that chimed in to help me out. Now I just wish I had that magic list of which displays truly can do 1:1 mapping. It does not seem to be one of those items that you find in the published specs.

Best Regards,
Rob

Take a look at your local Costco and look for the Sharp Aquos LC-60C52U. It's a 52" LCD that does 1080p (1920x1080) with 1:1 mapping and costs around 3.2k (maybe cheaper if you can find it on sale). It's one of the best bang for the bucks at that size.

-Splints

rboster,

with regards to detail enhancement / noise reduction.

My understanding was that the company would attempt to create an algorithm and when they reach a point where it can be implemented, they would be able to see if the VP50's design was robust enough to include this function.

We have not yet seen any DVDO implementation of this capability and there has been no official word if the VP50 has the gate capacity to include it. DVDO never promised to include this and there are too many variables to consider here.

In any case, I would suggest the following:
1. Assume the VP50 will not receive this capability
2. If it does, be very happy with it.

I personally like to be pessimistic (I prefer to be pleasantly surprised...)

HDMI? Did you have to buy that card separately? According to the specs the only digital input is 24-pin DVI-D!


the DVI is on the commercial model, I have the cosumer model, with 2 HDMIs... so, I didn't have to buy anything else... all built-in ...

rboster,

with regards to detail enhancement / noise reduction.

My understanding was that the company would attempt to create an algorithm and when they reach a point where it can be implemented, they would be able to see if the VP50's design was robust enough to include this function.

We have not yet seen any DVDO implementation of this capability and there has been no official word if the VP50 has the gate capacity to include it. DVDO never promised to include this and there are too many variables to consider here.

In any case, I would suggest the following:
1. Assume the VP50 will not receive this capability
2. If it does, be very happy with it.

I personally like to be pessimistic (I prefer to be pleasantly surprised...)


that's probably the best approach since it would stop anyone from being disapointed... however, DVDO had the noise reduction and detail enhacement on a VP50 brochure on their website for a couple of days a few months ago ... they promptly changed/remove it.... so, not sure if it was a mistake in specs, or they were not ready to implement it in production yet....

either way, I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised...... :)

rboster,

with regards to detail enhancement / noise reduction.

My understanding was that the company would attempt to create an algorithm and when they reach a point where it can be implemented, they would be able to see if the VP50's design was robust enough to include this function.

We have not yet seen any DVDO implementation of this capability and there has been no official word if the VP50 has the gate capacity to include it. DVDO never promised to include this and there are too many variables to consider here.

In any case, I would suggest the following:
1. Assume the VP50 will not receive this capability
2. If it does, be very happy with it.

I personally like to be pessimistic (I prefer to be pleasantly surprised...)
DVDO may not have "promised" it, but as big_marcelo notes, it was in some DVDO literature, and at CES 2007 Josh actually talked about it be implemented late 1Q earlier 2Q, so it was more than just wishful thinking. The way Josh spoke about it, it was a tangible product that was in the pipeline.

Personally, if it comes great, if not, well, I can live with that as well. At this point I'm more interested in seeing where DVDO is headed as there seems to have been some redirection of focus with the company, their next product releases should be a good indicator of the way they are going, whether is to continue with consumer products or put most/all of company resources toward supplying solutions for other CE manufacturers.

DVDO may not have "promised" it, but as big_marcelo notes, it was in some DVDO literature, and at CES 2007 Josh actually talked about it be implemented late 1Q earlier 2Q, so it was more than just wishful thinking. The way Josh spoke about it, it was a tangible product that was in the pipeline.

Personally, if it comes great, if not, well, I can live with that as well. At this point I'm more interested in seeing where DVDO is headed as there seems to have been some redirection of focus with the company, their next product releases should be a good indicator of the way they are going, whether is to continue with consumer products or put most/all of company resources toward supplying solutions for other CE manufacturers.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.


*******************

I certainly don't think less of DVDO if they choose not to implement NE or DE on the VP50, nor did I assume it was a given, if it came across that way in my post...it wasn't intended. But from putting out a competitive product for the end user...I think they need to keep up with the "jones" in this case. If not, no hard feelings, I'll need to seek out another alternative.

I was hoping someone from DVDO could comment on when the next firmware for the VP50 will be ready and what issues will be be adressed.

Here is my wishlist (I have mentioned some of this previously);

1. Fixed 1080p24 input. The VP50 does not accept the 1080p24 signal from Sony BDP-S1E and the BDP-S300. There are also other 1080p24 related input/output issues.

2. Improved stability for the 24p reverse pulldown. When viewing 1080p60 (film) and 720p60 (film) content at 1080p24 the VP50 is not totally stable. The picture will sometimes stutter as the VP50 drops a few frames. Also there is some tearing in the extreme low end of the picture

3. Improved audio switching stability. I often loose sound when I route sound through the VP50.



To Josh@dvdo from me also.

I agree exactly with the above post. Resolution of these issues would be a very good improvement for the VP50.

Do you have some feedback please?

my VP50 accepts 1080p/24 perfectly from the Sony S1, I have used it a few times set on direct mode

my output is 60hz on the VP50 (1080p/24 in - 1920x800p 60hz out) and it is perfect also

-Gary

my VP50 accepts 1080p/24 perfectly from the Sony S1, I have used it a few times set on direct mode

my output is 60hz on the VP50 (1080p/24 in - 1920x800p 60hz out) and it is perfect also

-Gary

I find that a bit strange, but my player is not the same as yours. The BDP-S1E (european version) i much more like the US S300 model, but with the same chassis as the BDP-S1 (US edition). There might be some internal differences between the players, but I do not know the details. Others have also reported that 1080p24 from the S300 does not work either, so these two players might be quite alike internally.

I don't know whether it's an HDMI issue or VP50 issue, but I too would like to see some improvement in the audio switching. Most of my other issues have been reasonably addressed over (loooooong) time, but the total loss of audio on input switching continues and can be irritating - especially since I operate via RF remote and the equipment is in a remote closet.

Norll, that very well may be the case ;)

-Gary

I don't know whether it's an HDMI issue or VP50 issue, but I too would like to see some improvement in the audio switching. Most of my other issues have been reasonably addressed over (loooooong) time, but the total loss of audio on input switching continues and can be irritating - especially since I operate via RF remote and the equipment is in a remote closet.
I don't lose audio with my VP50. The only audio problem I've noticed recently has been if I run audio from the PS3 into the VP50 it will get stuck in whatever audio mode it's first in, 7.1pcm, and won't switch to 5.1 when a movie starts. To change it I have to change inputs and back quickly. But I get around that by using an HDMI splitter so I use one output for video to the VP50 and the other for HDMI audio to my receiver.

my VP50 accepts 1080p/24 perfectly from the Sony S1, I have used it a few times set on direct mode

my output is 60hz on the VP50 (1080p/24 in - 1920x800p 60hz out) and it is perfect also

Why would you feed 24hz in and 60hz out? Why not just set the BD player for 60hz and avoid the external conversion?

Josh, the Sony S1 is doing a internal conversion for the 60hz output also, all movies are 1080p/24, so setting the player for Direct output (which gives exactly whats on the disc) bypasses everything on the Sony S1

so in the end with the Sony S1 and the VP50 we are comparing the conversion from 24 to 60 in the S1 vs in the VP50, I have compared alot and they are 100% identical

-Gary

Josh, the Sony S1 is doing a internal conversion for the 60hz output also, all movies are 1080p/24, so setting the player for Direct output (which gives exactly whats on the disc) bypasses everything on the Sony S1

so in the end with the Sony S1 and the VP50 we are comparing the conversion from 24 to 60 in the S1 vs in the VP50, I have compared alot and they are 100% identical

-Gary

To me the whole point of the VP50 being able to accept 1080p/24 then process it (Aspect ratio etc) and then to pass it on to the display still as 1080p/24 is to eliminate the judder inherent in a 60 Hz signal. There are still some minor problems when the VP50 converts 60Hz to 24 Hz as eluded to by Norll.

That is why I am requesting DVDO to look at this issue.

I don't lose audio with my VP50. The only audio problem I've noticed recently has been if I run audio from the PS3 into the VP50 it will get stuck in whatever audio mode it's first in, 7.1pcm, and won't switch to 5.1 when a movie starts. To change it I have to change inputs and back quickly. But I get around that by using an HDMI splitter so I use one output for video to the VP50 and the other for HDMI audio to my receiver.

I don't have those "audio dropouts" that plagued so many of us earlier. What I get occasionally is a total audio loss - usually when switching input or stop/pause/start a DVD. The panel of my Denon 4806 even shows that it is not getting the audio signal from the VP. It often requires a power down/up of the VP50 or sometimes will resume with simply changing inputs again. Like I said, it may well be a flaky HDMI handshake issue and not totally (or at all) the fault of the VP50. But it remains annoying when it happens.

To me the whole point of the VP50 being able to accept 1080p/24 then process it (Aspect ratio etc) and then to pass it on to the display still as 1080p/24 is to eliminate the judder inherent in a 60 Hz signal. There are still some minor problems when the VP50 converts 60Hz to 24 Hz as eluded to by Norll.

That is why I am requesting DVDO to look at this issue.
What are you going to do about all the judder that is inherent in the 24fps film camera?

What are you going to do about all the judder that is inherent in the 24fps film camera?

That is of course impossible to eliminate. At the local cinema, film based judder is still easily seen. I am talking about eliminating the extra judder introduced by the 3:2 pulldown process. For those of us who have lived in a PAL country, this judder is quite annoying now that we are exposed to it with Blu-ray and HD DVD sources.

That is of course impossible to eliminate. At the local cinema, film based judder is still easily seen. I am talking about eliminating the extra judder introduced by the 3:2 pulldown process. For those of us who have lived in a PAL country, this judder is quite annoying now that we are exposed to it with Blu-ray and HD DVD sources.
As a newbie to BD and HD DVD, and not even having a player at the moment, am I to understand that HD/BD titles released in PAL country are not sped up to 25 frames per sec - unlike SD DVDs which all have their frame rate upped to 25 fps?. For those not in PAL land(s), we don't have the classical 3:2 pulldown judder on SD DVDs and locally screened/scanned film TV shows as we of course just double the frame rate with 2:2 pulldown (2 identical video "frames" per every film frame). Imported NTSC video shows naturally have judder intrinsic in that system. I have seen specs for displays listing 25Hz as a selectable frame rate, so I was assuming that this was meant for PAL HD/BD DVDs.

As a newbie to BD and HD DVD, and not even having a player at the moment, am I to understand that HD/BD titles released in PAL country are not sped up to 25 frames per sec - unlike SD DVDs which all have their frame rate upped to 25 fps?. For those not in PAL land(s), we don't have the classical 3:2 pulldown judder on SD DVDs and locally screened/scanned film TV shows as we of course just double the frame rate with 2:2 pulldown (2 identical video "frames" per every film frame). Imported NTSC video shows naturally have judder intrinsic in that system. I have seen specs for displays listing 25Hz as a selectable frame rate, so I was assuming that this was meant for PAL HD/BD DVDs.

With PAL DVDs this is correct. The video runs 4% faster so that we get 25 fps instead of 24 fps. This has the advantage of eliminating 3:2 pulldown judder, but it does have som problems with the audio (= altered pitch).

With the introduction of Blu-ray and HD-DVD there is no longer any difference in NTSC and PAL countries. Film is stored as 1080p24 on the discs and the players can output this as 1080p60 and 1080p24. The players will also be able to output 1080p50 (I think), but this is meant for video as EU camcorders still use 50Hz refresh rate. It is also used for upconverted PAL DVD's as framerate conversion between 50Hz and 60Hz usually causes a lot of stutering.

For us (PAL countries) that have not had any 3:2 pulldown earlier it is often quite noticable. Therefor I would also like the VP50 to fully support 1080p24 input and output. At the moment I have to run Blu-ray discs at 1080p60 output from the players. I do not use the 3:2 pulldown reversal in the VP50 because this conversion (= 1080p60 -> 1080p24) is not totally smooth. I find it very distracting when the VP50 drops a few frames and stutter is introduced. Then I actually prefer 3:2 pulldown. At least it is consitent and thus smoother...

I am eagerly awaiting comments from DVDO on what we might expect in the next firmware update. It has been very quite from their representatives here on the forums. They have read this thread earlier and I hope that they are still watching it.

Thanks Norll. So, a display that can do either 24 or 48/50Hz at 1080p would seem to be the answer for all HD/BD DVDs. For all NTSC or other 60Hz based HD video, a native refresh rate capability of 60Hz is the go. It would seem from posts here in this thread and others, that quite a few displays can't do 48Hz and that explains of course why so many are wanting the 24Hz in and out to work properly.

Thanks Norll. So, a display that can do either 24 or 48/50Hz at 1080p would seem to be the answer for all HD/BD DVDs. For all NTSC or other 60Hz based HD video, a native refresh rate capability of 60Hz is the go. It would seem from posts here in this thread and others, that quite a few displays can't do 48Hz and that explains of course why so many are wanting the 24Hz in and out to work properly.

Yes, you are correct. All HD-ready TVs are required to support 720p and 1080i at 50Hz and 60Hz. 1080p support is optional, but also here most televisions support both 50Hz and 60Hz. There is no need for 1080p48 support if the TV supports 1080p24 as most people do not own a VP. There are no players that will output 1080p48.

I just got this plasma. Here are the specs (http://www.visualapex.com/plasma/Plasma_details.asp?VA=Panasonic&chPartNumber=TH-50PF9UK) . I want to hook up my Directv H2O IRD to the DVDO vp50. what is the best connections. My option are HDMI (1080i), DVI-D (1080p), Component Video.

And what connections to plasma from DVDO VP50. My options are HDMI to DVI-D or RGB?

I'd go HDMI into the VP50 from the H20 and HDMI out to a DVI-D adapter plugged directly into the DVI input of the 9UK.

I'd go HDMI into the VP50 from the H20 and HDMI out to a DVI-D adapter plugged directly into the DVI input of the 9UK.
Magnus,
Why HDMI into VP50 from H20?

Magnus,
Why HDMI into VP50 from H20?

Because it's digital and the VP50 has no DVI inputs. You can avoid a A/D conversion by using HDMI over Component.

Because it's digital and the VP50 has no DVI inputs. You can avoid a A/D conversion by using HDMI over Component.
Thank you again. Last question. I have an oppo 970 dvd player and Directv H20. What should the output resolution be set to on each item? For example should i set dvd to output at 480i and let DVDO vp50 output 1080p?

Thank you again. Last question. I have an oppo 970 dvd player and Directv H20. What should the output resolution be set to on each item? For example should i set dvd to output at 480i and let DVDO vp50 output 1080p?

The player should output what is natively on the DVD-disc, så set the Oppo to 480i. This will bypass most of the processing i the DVD-player. I do not know the Directv H20 as I live in Europe. Can't help you there, but also here you should output the native signal to the VP50.

Thank you again. Last question. I have an oppo 970 dvd player and Directv H20. What should the output resolution be set to on each item? For example should i set dvd to output at 480i and let DVDO vp50 output 1080p?

The H20 should have an option to output resolution called "Native". My HR20 does. This will output at the broadcasts' native resolution.

Toby: I have an OPPO modded with SDI out (sending a 480i pure digital signal) to my VP50. I've also used the OPPO allowing it to upconvert and send a native signal to my projector. I see a sharper, cleaner image letting the VP50 do the scaling. If I were going to go the VP route I would consider the OPPO 970, which can send a 480i signal via hdmi to the VP50. ...plus the 970 is cheaper.

Ron

PS: You can send your current dvd player's 480P signal to the VP and utilize the PerP feature too.

I do not use the 3:2 pulldown reversal in the VP50 because this conversion (= 1080p60 -> 1080p24) is not totally smooth. I find it very distracting when the VP50 drops a few frames and stutter is introduced. Then I actually prefer 3:2 pulldown. At least it is consitent and thus smoother...
MAn I can't follow you in this phrase but otherwise I agree.

Until now, for I watch HD content on a Mitsu 1080@24p, I prefer to bypass VP50 and make a direct connection on the pj.
So, with 1080@60p you are referring to, which is the deinterlacing you use (if any, if you use PreP as I suppose)?

Thanks rboster.

What type of "mod" are you refering too? What are it's benefits? Who does these mods?

To be honest, I have no problem buying both (VP50 and OPPO 981) if it is worth it. I'll gladly pay the extra $ 241.00 for the OPPO 981. I just hate wasting money if not needed.

If I went with your suggested 970 route, what benefits am I gaining over my standard DVD prgressive scan player if feeding either to VP50?

note: obviously I would gain HDMI with either 970 or 981 as my current DVD player is component only (no HDMI).

Many thanks for your imput. :)

Go with the Oppo 970 as this is the only player that can output raw 480/576i digitally via HDMI, which is what you want to feed the VP50 and let the VP50 do the de-interlacing/processing.

Other players output 480/576P, so the output has already been de-interlaced by the player, prep can be used but the original format has already been processed by the player, so the damage has been done and won't be the original format!

Or do an SDI mod to the other non 970 players, which is most expensive but gives a slightly purer signal than HDMI, then you will also need to buy an sdi input for the VP50... more cash spent.

Other players output 480/576P, so the output has already been de-interlaced by the player, prep can be used but the original format has already been processed by the player, so the damage has been done and won't be the original format!However, it has been claimed that many deinterlacing solutions leave the original fields of the deinterlaced frames intact (and add their own calculated or combined field). Thus prep is able to extract 100% of the original interlaced signal and the end result 480/576p+prep and 480/576i should be identical. The catch is that prep may make mistakes in selecting the interlaced frames...

The Toshiba HD-A2 can also output 480i over HDMI. That's how I have mine setup when I'm watching a SD DVD. The VP50 does a very good job deinterlacing and upscaling to my H79 at 720p 48hz

The catch is that prep may make mistakes in selecting the interlaced frames...

Exactly, which is why i recommend using a raw signal if possible.

Yep, thats the jist of it!

As the VP50 will do the upscaling and de-interlacing, no need for the 980 unless you plan to sdi mod it and go the expensive route for not much of a difference in PQ!

Yes the options for raw 480/576i are in the normal menu's.

The VP50 will do the 1080P for you, so your covered for the future.

Hope this helps!



Being the video processor MORON that I am, I appreciate all of your explanations & suggestions.

If I am understanding this properly, the DVD mods are removing (bypassing) the DVD's internal processing (scaling, deinterlacing, etc...) and send the unprocessed raw digital 480i signal to the VP50 (which then does the scaling, de-linterlacing, etc...)

Less processing (A to D or D to A) the better.

The OPPO 970 or the Toshiba A2 allow 480i to be passed unprocessed, therefore no need to mod? Is this video processing an option in these DVD players menus? Process or don't process? Or are these DVD players "transports only" and useless without an external processor?

Is the only real practical differences between the 981 and the 970:
981 is HDMI only, 1080p capable
970 is HDMI & component, NOT 1080p capable (720p/1080i)

I don't even have 1080p screens, mine are 720p/1080i. Was just thinking future upgrades.
And if the VP50 is 1080p, then this is ALSO a mute point?

Am I getting this? LOL (I am LITTERALY laughing as I am typing this)

Ok, everyone take your turn, *SMACK* the newb! :)

Is v1.04 "new" or is Widescreen Review just behind the times...?

http://www.widescreenreview.com/news_detail.php?id=13710

Scott............... :confused:

Edit; Looks like DVDO has had this posted since May 9th ! Shame on Widescreen :p

Has anyone got 1080P working from a Panny Blu-Ray machine? Seems to sync with the VP50, but my projector just "searches"... Works great on 1080i. I input 1080P fine from my XBOX 360 Elite/HD DVD player (HDMI) with no problems. Thanks. SJ

I haven't been able to get the VP50 to output 1080P/24 very good at all, using a HTPC. I have both HD formats using power dvd. The graphics card will output 24hz straight to the projector just fine. Its a RS1.

But the VP50 just don't like it at all, stutters about constantly. Ever so often I can get it to lock and be ok, but its a pain. Forced 3:2 won't work at all, but sometimes auto or film will. The graphics card isn't doing anything that the VP50 should have a problem with.

So, they don't have that /24 output working all that great. I see posts where it is working for people but others not so good. I could input 1080P/24 and output 60hz for awhile, but that isn't stable either.

I hope they are still working on it, because if it works straight to the PJ, it should work with the VP50.

Toby, Ron is referring to a SDI modified DVD player, which he just so happened to have purchased from me ;) , if you need any info or links on SDI mods, just shout and someone will surely supply ;)

-Gary

Thanks Gary. If I am understanding an SDI mod for DVD players, the mod is bypassing the players decoders & processors, sending the DVD's unprocessed content to the VP50 (in this case). Correct?

The DVD player still has to decode the data off the disc. Without that step, you'd get no picture. The SDI output taps directly into the MPEG decoder and bypasses any downstream deinterlacing, scaling, or other processing steps. But you're still at the mercy of the quality of the DVD player's MPEG decoder (not all are created equally).

Does the mod permanently disable the players processing? i.e. If the VP50 were to be in for repairs would I be able to switch the moded players processing back on for viewing DVD's in the absence of an external processor?

All you'd have to do is plug in another connection type. The SDI mod shouldn't disable Component or HDMI output.

Josh has already answered with everything you need to know Toby ;)

-Gary

Just had an interesting experience. I finally went format neutral and added a Blu Ray to my HD-DVD setup. When adding the Blu Ray to HDMI port 3 on the VP50, I consistently get a "copyright infringement" message and no disc will play. Just to be sure, I moved it to HDMI port 4 on the VP50 and now everything plays. I'm wondering if I have a bad HDMI port (I know, ck with another device - and I will soon). Fortunately, since I now use my HD-A2 for 480i output, I only need 3 of the 4 HDMI ports. But, one day....

I've got a Sony BDP-S300 outputting 1080p/24 into the VP50. The VP50 converts this to 720p/48 and sends it on to my H79 projector. The 1080p/24 input works fine (and looks fantastic) but I'm getting lip synch problems. I need to dial-in about 85ms of extra audio delay to bring it into line with the video, quick calculation indicates that there is probably exactly 2 frames (83.3ms) of video delay being introduced somewhere.

The 85ms I'm adding is in addition to 16ms that the VP50 adds automatically for it's own video processing overhead. All other output formats from the BDP-S300, like 1080i/60, work fine and lip-synch is spot on without need for manual adjustment. I guess the video delay could be originating in the player but having searched all the S300 threads in the blu-ray players section, nobody else has encountered this issue.

I wonder if there's some kind of quirk with the way the VP50 is handling a 1080p/24 input that results in this 2 frame delay that doesn't get automatically compensated for by the VP50's 'intelli-synch' featute?

Current firmware installed in both the VP50 (1.04) and the BDP-S300 (2.0)

I've got a Sony BDP-S300 outputting 1080p/24 into the VP50. The VP50 converts this to 720p/48 and sends it on to my H79 projector. The 1080p/24 input works fine (and looks fantastic) but I'm getting lip synch problems. I need to dial-in about 85ms of extra audio delay to bring it into line with the video, quick calculation indicates that there is probably exactly 2 frames (83.3ms) of video delay being introduced somewhere.
I should have done a more thorough search here first. Looks like this is a known issue with the VP50 and 1080p/24 input. Hope this is on DVDO's radar.

How do you calibrate lip sync??

A few quick questions about, for instance, using 1080i sources from HDTV or an HD-DVD player, or 1080p from Blu-Ray or 3rd gen HD-DVD and stretching from use with Anamorphic lens and 2.35:1 source material:

I imagine the VP50 can de-interlace 1080i and stretch, correct?
Can the VP50 stretch 1080i signals and output as 1080i?
Can the VP50 stretch 1080p signals?
Can the VP50 pass through/switch both 1080i and p sources?

Curious about use with Blu-Ray 1080p and HD-DVD signals and projectors/displays with comparable de-interlacer/processor but no stretch capability.

thanks,

:)

Just had an interesting experience. I finally went format neutral and added a Blu Ray to my HD-DVD setup. When adding the Blu Ray to HDMI port 3 on the VP50, I consistently get a "copyright infringement" message and no disc will play. Just to be sure, I moved it to HDMI port 4 on the VP50 and now everything plays. I'm wondering if I have a bad HDMI port (I know, ck with another device - and I will soon). Fortunately, since I now use my HD-A2 for 480i output, I only need 3 of the 4 HDMI ports. But, one day....

Check the VP50 to make sure you haven't mistakenly turned HDCP off for that input.

How do you calibrate lip sync??

Digital Video Essentials has a test pattern for this. At least, the HD DVD does. I haven't check the SD version.

Digital Video Essentials has a test pattern for this. At least, the HD DVD does. I haven't check the SD version.

no way! :eek: I'm going to have to dig out my SD version, and actually rtfm, and see if I can find it. Never ran into it in the video calibration portion, but I hate the audio section so much that if it is in there, I gave up before finding it. If/when I find it, will post back. Cool - thanks, Josh.

(Networks sent out a lipsynch calibration clip to their affiliates. So there is no reason for what we often see with OTA HD programming. Fixing their gaffes is about the only time I move from DVDO's default setting.)

Check the VP50 to make sure you haven't mistakenly turned HDCP off for that input.

That was one of the 1st things I looked at, but knew it wasn't that since I was running my old Oppo via HDMI in that slot (I now use the HD-A2 for 480i, no more Oppo). Thanks for the good suggestion though.

I have since run into the problem again and on a different port. I was able to finally get past it by hitting "skip" as the disc read into the machine. The error says Copyright infringement error # C001". I tried 2 movies that came with the Panny Blu Ray - Pirates of C. and Fantastic Four. Error on both, but got both to eventually play. Sounds like either the Blu Ray machine is having issues or it's the combo with the VP 50. I even changed HDMI cables. I'll check the error codes, etc, but maybe the machine goes back.

I am going to buy an audio receiver in the future. But for now is this possible:
I have a panasonic TH-50PF9UK (http://www.visualapex.com/plasma/Plasma_details.asp?VA=Panasonic&chPartNumber=TH-50PF9UK) . I have the 1080p DVI-D blade TY-FB9FDD (http://www.visualapex.com/accessories/accessory_details.asp?chPartNumber=TY-FB9FDD&MFR=Panasonic&Type=Plasma_Video_Card) that has a Stereo mini jack input. Is it possible to have any of the DVDO audio output go into a stereo mini jack. Is there a converter?

A few quick questions about, for instance, using 1080i sources from HDTV or an HD-DVD player, or 1080p from Blu-Ray or 3rd gen HD-DVD and stretching from use with Anamorphic lens and 2.35:1 source material:

I imagine the VP50 can de-interlace 1080i and stretch, correct?
Can the VP50 stretch 1080i signals and output as 1080i?
Can the VP50 stretch 1080p signals?
Can the VP50 pass through/switch both 1080i and p sources?

Curious about use with Blu-Ray 1080p and HD-DVD signals and projectors/displays with comparable de-interlacer/processor but no stretch capability.

thanks,

:)

Does anybody know where I can find out the above ?

I am going to buy an audio receiver in the future. But for now is this possible:
I have a panasonic TH-50PF9UK (http://www.visualapex.com/plasma/Plasma_details.asp?VA=Panasonic&chPartNumber=TH-50PF9UK) . I have the 1080p DVI-D blade TY-FB9FDD (http://www.visualapex.com/accessories/accessory_details.asp?chPartNumber=TY-FB9FDD&MFR=Panasonic&Type=Plasma_Video_Card) that has a Stereo mini jack input. Is it possible to have any of the DVDO audio output go into a stereo mini jack. Is there a converter?Not possible, the VPxx has no analog out. You need a convertor. Pls search the thread for suggestions (I use a cheap Sony minidisk portable recorder as a D/A convertor).

Does anybody know where I can find out the above ?

the VP50 can do all that except the passthru ;)

-Gary

Thanks Gary. So the VP50 can stretch a 1080i signal and send it through 1080i? If it can do that, why can't it passthrough? Oh well.

Not possible, the VPxx has no analog out. You need a convertor. Pls search the thread for suggestions (I use a cheap Sony minidisk portable recorder as a D/A convertor).
What kind of imput does the minidisk recorder have? Also is there any other d/a converter?

A few quick questions about, for instance, using 1080i sources from HDTV or an HD-DVD player, or 1080p from Blu-Ray or 3rd gen HD-DVD and stretching from use with Anamorphic lens and 2.35:1 source material:

I imagine the VP50 can de-interlace 1080i and stretch, correct?
Can the VP50 stretch 1080i signals and output as 1080i?
Can the VP50 stretch 1080p signals?
Can the VP50 pass through/switch both 1080i and p sources?

Curious about use with Blu-Ray 1080p and HD-DVD signals and projectors/displays with comparable de-interlacer/processor but no stretch capability.

thanks,

:)

I use the VP50 in a 2,35:1 setup with an anamorphic lens. The VP50 can do all of the above, but if you apply stretch it will not pass through the signal. The signal will obviously be processed. I do not however see why you would want to output 1080i. In almost any setup it would be better to let the VP do the de-interlacing and send a 720p or 1080p signal to the projector\TV (depending on the native resolution).

The VP50 works very well with in a 2,35:1 setup. It has far more options than the Realta and Gennum processors and it is thus more flexible. I think the only other VPs with the same amount of flexibility are those from Lumagen, but I understand that they have a less intuitive user interface. I only wish that DVDO had the same customer support as Lumagen!

All in all the VP50 works quite well in my 2,35:1 setup, but I am hoping for a fix for all the 1080p24 issues! At the moment this is a big issue for me. I have the BDP-S1E but cannot use its 1080p24 output capability...

MAn I can't follow you in this phrase but otherwise I agree.

Until now, for I watch HD content on a Mitsu 1080@24p, I prefer to bypass VP50 and make a direct connection on the pj.
So, with 1080@60p you are referring to, which is the deinterlacing you use (if any, if you use PreP as I suppose)?

I actually don't use the PreP function that much. My Blu-ray player can output 576i for PAL DVD and 1080p24 for Blu-ray. I do not have any TV signals connected at the moment, so I only use PreP when I view region 1 NTSC DVD's (not very often). My region one player can only ouput 480p, so then it is very useful.

I would also prefer to bypass the VP50 when viewing Blu-ray movies from the Sony BDP-S1E, but unfortunatly I can't. I have to use the VP50 to stretch the picture for my anamorphic lens. At the moment the VP50 will not accept any 1080p24 signals from the BDP-S1E. There have been similar reports for the Sony BDP-S300 as well.

Also, I do not use the 3:2 pulldown reversal for NTSC DVDs or for 720p60 and 1080i60 content. The VP50 can extract the original 24 frames from these signals (if it is film, not video), by reversing the 3:2 pulldown. Unfortunatly this ability is not 100% stable. It will drop a few frames here and there and these micro-stutters are very visible once you notice them. This feature would be great and also virtually unique in the VP world if it was 100% stable. For now it is still better to output everything at 1080p60. At least the 3:2 motion judder is there all the time, so it is less noticeable (and we are quite used to it).

I hope that DVDO can fix this soon. They have already annouced this feature to the public (like the Widescreen Review newsletter), but at the moment it is not working as announced, so it is practically worthless.

I use the VP50 in a 2,35:1 setup with an anamorphic lens. The VP50 can do all of the above, but if you apply stretch it will not pass through the signal. The signal will obviously be processed. I do not however see why you would want to output 1080i. In almost any setup it would be better to let the VP do the de-interlacing and send a 720p or 1080p signal to the projector\TV (depending on the native resolution).

The VP50 works very well with in a 2,35:1 setup. It has far more options than the Realta and Gennum processors and it is thus more flexible. I think the only other VPs with the same amount of flexibility are those from Lumagen, but I understand that they have a less intuitive user interface. I only wish that DVDO had the same customer support as Lumagen!

All in all the VP50 works quite well in my 2,35:1 setup, but I am hoping for a fix for all the 1080p24 issues! At the moment this is a big issue for me. I have the BDP-S1E but cannot use its 1080p24 output capability...

Stretching 1080i and outputting interlaced 1080i isn't really necessary I agree. I was just curious.

The VP50 sounds like it's good because it will stretch and do good de-interlacing of 1080i from HD DVD players AND from HD TV sources.

By the way; I did a reset on my VP50 a week or two ago. Now I have far less problems with the audio. Now the audio get to the receiver, but sometimes I need ot switch HDMI inputs on the VP50 to get the correct channels (stereo, DD 5.1, PCM, etc). Anyhow, it is better than before.

I have since run into the problem again and on a different port. I was able to finally get past it by hitting "skip" as the disc read into the machine. The error says Copyright infringement error # C001". I tried 2 movies that came with the Panny Blu Ray - Pirates of C. and Fantastic Four. Error on both, but got both to eventually play. Sounds like either the Blu Ray machine is having issues or it's the combo with the VP 50. I even changed HDMI cables. I'll check the error codes, etc, but maybe the machine goes back.
I have had zero problems with the Panny/VP50 combo.
Have you tried Component Cables instead of the HDMI?
You could narrow the problem down that way.
Although, it does sound like the frickin' HDMI monster rearing its head....

I get a problem with my VP50 I cannot any more connect it to the power supply . When I plug the connector into the DC in port, it makes only a blinking green led ..... and the front panel display is also blinking!!!!

Can anybody help?

Thank you

Nicolas

Nic, sounds like you have a bad unit sadly, I would contact your dealer

-Gary

Thank you Gary

As you suggest I contacted the dealer and here is what he said:
"call DVDO directly for their tech support service at 408-395-4455" :rolleyes:

So I contacted DVDO by mail.....But still have no reply

Nicolas

I have had zero problems with the Panny/VP50 combo.
Have you tried Component Cables instead of the HDMI?
You could narrow the problem down that way.
Although, it does sound like the frickin' HDMI monster rearing its head....

Yeah, I have the same combo and no problems. Even the update to the new firmware (2.2) went quickly. However as you know, 1080P output from the Panny into the VP50 does not work. Not sure it makes a big differnece, but I would at least like to try it :) SJ

Thank you Gary

As you suggest I contacted the dealer and here is what he said:
"call DVDO directly for their tech support service at 408-395-4455" :rolleyes:

So I contacted DVDO by mail.....But still have no reply

Nicolas

Calling DVDO Tech Support directly rather sending them an email has worked better for me in the past....

____
Axel

Yeah, I have the same combo and no problems. Even the update to the new firmware (2.2) went quickly. However as you know, 1080P output from the Panny into the VP50 does not work. Not sure it makes a big differnece, but I would at least like to try it :) SJ
Remember that the Panny (in order to output 1080p) does this internally: 1080p/24(native BD)>1080/60i>1080/60p to display.
Because of this (and the fact that it won't output 24p) you would be better off sending a 1080i signal to the VP50 and have it scale and/or de-interlace from there.
You aren't losing anything because 1080i has the same amount of pixels as 1080p.
I am sending 1080i from the Panny into the VP50 and sending out a 720p signal from there to my Sammy DLP.
And it looks great IMO. :)

yes oink is correct, you want to output 1080i on the Panny and let the VP50 work the wonders ;) me likely forced 3:2 mode :p

-Gary

I have had zero problems with the Panny/VP50 combo.
Have you tried Component Cables instead of the HDMI?
You could narrow the problem down that way.
Although, it does sound like the frickin' HDMI monster rearing its head....

It would appear my problem is limited to the 2 POTC discs, and can be overcome by pressing "skip>" as the disc begins "reading". It is not HDMI, cable, etc specific - just those two discs (so far). I have since played several others and have had no issues at all. I read somewhere in the Blu Ray forums that many users have certain titles that simply don't get along with the player. I guess that is my problem as well, though I can get around it. So, now being format neutral, and since - to me - PQ is identical btwn them, it's 1 strike on Blu Ray and none on HD-DVD, which has never given me any such problems. And I have vindicated my VP 50 as not part of the problem.

Remember that the Panny (in order to output 1080p) does this internally: 1080p/24(native BD)>1080/60i>1080/60p to display.
Because of this (and the fact that it won't output 24p) you would be better off sending a 1080i signal to the VP50 and have it scale and/or de-interlace from there.
You aren't losing anything because 1080i has the same amount of pixels as 1080p.
I am sending 1080i from the Panny into the VP50 and sending out a 720p signal from there to my Sammy DLP.
And it looks great IMO. :)

Thanks for the info. SJ

Also, I do not use the 3:2 pulldown reversal for NTSC DVDs or for 720p60 and 1080i60 content. The VP50 can extract the original 24 frames from these signals (if it is film, not video), by reversing the 3:2 pulldown. Unfortunatly this ability is not 100% stable. It will drop a few frames here and there and these micro-stutters are very visible once you notice them. This feature would be great and also virtually unique in the VP world if it was 100% stable. For now it is still better to output everything at 1080p60. At least the 3:2 motion judder is there all the time, so it is less noticeable (and we are quite used to it)

This is undoubtely true, the reverse pulldown introduces so many stutters it makes the movie quite unviewable for my tastes.
I was wandering if were the one to notice it, as here in a forum of NTSC viewers nobody ever mentioned it :)

Otherwise I found PreP very useful with my Sky HD receiver, as for SD channels it output only 576p through HDMI: that's the only setting where I use Prep mode.

It would appear my problem is limited to the 2 POTC discs, and can be overcome by pressing "skip>" as the disc begins "reading". It is not HDMI, cable, etc specific - just those two discs (so far). I have since played several others and have had no issues at all. I read somewhere in the Blu Ray forums that many users have certain titles that simply don't get along with the player. I guess that is my problem as well, though I can get around it. So, now being format neutral, and since - to me - PQ is identical btwn them, it's 1 strike on Blu Ray and none on HD-DVD, which has never given me any such problems. And I have vindicated my VP 50 as not part of the problem.
That is peculiar.
I haven't heard the 2 Pirate films are a problem for the Panny.
Have you tried somebody else's disks or your disks in someone else's machine?

Also, I do not use the 3:2 pulldown reversal for NTSC DVDs or for 720p60 and 1080i60 content. The VP50 can extract the original 24 frames from these signals (if it is film, not video), by reversing the 3:2 pulldown. Unfortunatly this ability is not 100% stable. It will drop a few frames here and there and these micro-stutters are very visible once you notice them. This feature would be great and also virtually unique in the VP world if it was 100% stable. For now it is still better to output everything at 1080p60. At least the 3:2 motion judder is there all the time, so it is less noticeable (and we are quite used to it)
This is undoubtely true, the reverse pulldown introduces so many stutters it makes the movie quite unviewable for my tastes.


This is probably a dumb question, but were you guys talking about PreP making NTSC DVDs stutter? Or does the VP50 stutter even when it deinterlaces DVDs from 480i?

I was planning on getting a VP50 later this year for outputting DVDs at 1080p24 and have been reading this thread on and off for awhile, apologies if this has been asked before and I just missed it.

Ive mailed this to dvdo a few days ago but figured i would
also post it here to see if anyone agrees or has better ideas on this topic.


---------------
Hello,

I like many vp50 owners are slowly running out of hdmi ports. We have to resort to external switches that don't integrate that well. It means more remotes
and more inportant the loss of settings per port. Now i have been thinking of a way they you can solve this in a very nice way that doesn't mean you have to
build 7 or 10 or ... hdmi ports on your next scaler but reuse hardware that you already sell.

You sell a rs232 controller 4 ports switch and the vp line of scalers both have rs232 so they can interact. Only software changes need to be made and as far
as i can see (i can't be sure) this can be done seemless the end user should not even know he doesn't have say 7 ports instead of 4.

Idea : vp50 now has 4 hdmi ports, when a vp4 unit is attached to port 4. Extend the menu from htmi1 to hdmi7. When 4 to 7 are selected just pick input 4 and send
a switch to 1 signal to the switch. when 5 then 2 to the switch etc etc. Since you now 'know' hdmi4 (really port for but with external on 1) is not the same as htmi6 (real
port 4 but external on 3) you can also support settings again on that port.

The end result would be that the user sees 7 hdmi's and they all act the same with full settings support and fully integrated. This also means for installers alot easer since
the vp50 control protocol could not support hdmi1 to hdmi7 and just 'abstract' the slave switch making it easer to integrate.

This could also be used with switches that have more inputs and even on the output side (since you can only have 1 active anyway). The nice thing is that you can extend this in many ways and the products keep their own value the switch (made by you or oem) can be sold on its own.

Please consider that people who use $3000 or up external scalers will probably run out of hdmi inputs and even outputs and adding 1 or 2 ports to a next scaler design is
a bad way to fixing the problem maybe this is a good way with low cost on your side and a very flexible setup for end users.

Hope this makes sense, i am a software designer by trade so i am more than willing (with the dutch importer) to beta test think more on how this can be done.
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This is probably a dumb question, but were you guys talking about PreP making NTSC DVDs stutter? Or does the VP50 stutter even when it deinterlaces DVDs from 480i?

I was planning on getting a VP50 later this year for outputting DVDs at 1080p24 and have been reading this thread on and off for awhile, apologies if this has been asked before and I just missed it.

No it has nothng to do with the PreP function. That works very well.

Our point is that the 1080p24 i not perfect from 60Hz sources.

No it has nothng to do with the PreP function. That works very well.

Our point is that the 1080p24 i not perfect from 60Hz sources.

So there's no way to get perfect 1080p24 from DVDs with the VP50? Great... Guess I'll keep using my HTPC until this is fixed or the next in the VP series comes out.

Ive mailed this to dvdo a few days ago but figured i would
also post it here to see if anyone agrees or has better ideas on this topic.


---------------
Hello,

I like many vp50 owners are slowly running out of hdmi ports. We have to resort to external switches that don't integrate that well. It means more remotes
and more inportant the loss of settings per port. Now i have been thinking of a way they you can solve this in a very nice way that doesn't mean you have to
build 7 or 10 or ... hdmi ports on your next scaler but reuse hardware that you already sell.

You sell a rs232 controller 4 ports switch and the vp line of scalers both have rs232 so they can interact. Only software changes need to be made and as far
as i can see (i can't be sure) this can be done seemless the end user should not even know he doesn't have say 7 ports instead of 4.

Idea : vp50 now has 4 hdmi ports, when a vp4 unit is attached to port 4. Extend the menu from htmi1 to hdmi7. When 4 to 7 are selected just pick input 4 and send
a switch to 1 signal to the switch. when 5 then 2 to the switch etc etc. Since you now 'know' hdmi4 (really port for but with external on 1) is not the same as htmi6 (real
port 4 but external on 3) you can also support settings again on that port.

The end result would be that the user sees 7 hdmi's and they all act the same with full settings support and fully integrated. This also means for installers alot easer since
the vp50 control protocol could not support hdmi1 to hdmi7 and just 'abstract' the slave switch making it easer to integrate.

This could also be used with switches that have more inputs and even on the output side (since you can only have 1 active anyway). The nice thing is that you can extend this in many ways and the products keep their own value the switch (made by you or oem) can be sold on its own.

Please consider that people who use $3000 or up external scalers will probably run out of hdmi inputs and even outputs and adding 1 or 2 ports to a next scaler design is
a bad way to fixing the problem maybe this is a good way with low cost on your side and a very flexible setup for end users.

Hope this makes sense, i am a software designer by trade so i am more than willing (with the dutch importer) to beta test think more on how this can be done.
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I think having a port expansion device is a great idea!

For me, the next generation should have better/greater HDMI audio interfacing.

So there's no way to get perfect 1080p24 from DVDs with the VP50? Great... Guess I'll keep using my HTPC until this is fixed or the next in the VP series comes out.

I think someone else could respond better to this. I live in PAL country and I have very litte NTSC DVDs. Here we have 4% PAL speed-up instead of 3:2 pulldown, so motion judder is not an issue. I have however used the VP50 with Blu-ray discs played back at 1080p60 from the Sony PS3 and Sony BDP-S1E. With 1080p24 output from the VP50 there are micro-stutters, so I prefer to output 1080p60 from the VP50. I do wish that DVDO could fix this issue soon.

There is a possibility that these mirco-stutter errors relate to something with the PS3 and BDP-S1E 1080p60 output (both products are from Sony). I do not have any other high quality sources, so I cannot compare them to other players. I hope that other VP50 owners can comment on the 1080p24 output in their systems. I remember reading somewhere that the Toshiba HD-DVD XA1 had a problem with its 1080p60 output, that caused some stutter-problems for VP50 owners... I am not sure were I found it and I believe that Toshiba fixed it with a firmware update.

Also there is a tearing issue on the extreme low of the screen with the scenario mentioned above (1080p24 output). The tearing is about 1 inch from the bottom of the screen. It is only visible on 16:9 material, as this area only contains black bars on 1,85:1 and 2,35:1 discs. My projector can blank this area for 16:9, but I would prefer not to.

I think someone else could respond better to this. I live in PAL country and I have very litte NTSC DVDs. Here we have 4% PAL speed-up instead of 3:2 pulldown, so motion judder is not an issue. I have however used the VP50 with Blu-ray discs played back at 1080p60 from the Sony PS3 and Sony BDP-S1E. With 1080p24 output from the VP50 there are micro-stutters,

Does this also happen when you output 1080i to the VP50?

Also there is a tearing issue on the extreme low of the screen

NORLL:

Tearing and judder ? Are You sure, You use latest firmware version 1.04 ? All these effects were known before 1.04.
I am using 1.04 with 1080p60 input and 1080p24 output and I have no tearing and absolutely no studder with it !

NORLL:

Tearing and judder ? Are You sure, You use latest firmware version 1.04 ? All these effects were known before 1.04.
I am using 1.04 with 1080p60 input and 1080p24 output and I have no tearing and absolutely no studder with it !

Yes, I use the 1.04 firmware.

Yes, I have the tearing but as I said it is only visible on 16:9 (full frame) material (not on 1,85:1 and 2,35:1 because of the black bars). It is also quite difficult to notice, but when it kicks in it looks like the lowest part of the image (about 1 inch) i a little bit out of sync (showing a different frame than the rest of the image). I believe that is called tearing. I will check this for the BDP-S1E yet, first I need to get my hands on something 16:9 on Blu-ray (I have Weeds coming). It is only a problem when outputting 1080p24.

I will try watching the next Blu-ray movie from the BDP-S1E with 1080i60 output and see it I get any judder problems. I have not tried this yet, but it is a good idea. When 1.04 was first released a few other users also reported that their 1080p24 output was 100%. It is very difficult to find the problem. As I said, the VP50 might not be the problem. I am not sure, and checking for errors takes a lot of time and many different configurations.

GinSonic: What DVD\HD players are you using?

Hello,
I have a VP50 and a HTPC with a x300 ATI card 'intel htpc system running mce'.

I tried this the other night:

1- i set the pc at 1920x1080p output. The pc has a DVI-D connector, i am using a simple adapter to convert it to hdmi

2- If i plug the htpc into the Vp50 set at this resolution, it fails the sync and i see nothing. the resolution according to the ATI control panel is 1920x1080p at 60hz.

If I unplug the pc dvi-d-hdmi cable and go directly to my sony perl, the picture come up fine.

If I lower the res of the x300 on the PC to 720p, the VP50 accepts the input just fine.

I want to run all my equipment through the vp50...

-- I have an Toshiba XA1 outputing 1080i -- works perfectly with the vp50
-- I have panny DB10a outputing 1080i -- works perfectly with the vp50

It is my pc that i would like to set to i guess here is the million dollar question:

1- can the vp50 with the hdmi inputs accept 1080p/60? i am running 1.04 firmware and it does not seem to work.

2- can the vp50 only accept 1080i/60 ..and not 1080p/60? is there perhaps something different about the PC 1080p/60 over the Blu-ray player 1080p/60?

I have yet to try my panny at 1080p/60 to the vp50, my toshiba only puts out 1080i, my ultimate output to the projector is 1080p/60 ...

The perl accepted the pc directly, the vp50 will not...at the 1080p/60 ?? anyone know why?

i will set the pc to 1080i60...is this possible?

thank you
charles2006

GinSonic: What DVD\HD players are you using?

I am currently using a HD-DVD player Toshiba XE1 (XA2 in USA) and a Panasonic Blu Ray player BD10a, both without any problem. Before the Pana I used a Samsung BD-P100 Blu Ray without any troubles too. Projector is a JVC HD1

quote

"I am currently using a HD-DVD player Toshiba XE1 (XA2 in USA) and a Panasonic Blu Ray player BD10a, both without any problem. Before the Pana I used a Samsung BD-P100 Blu Ray without any troubles too. Projector is a JVC HD1"

what are you outputing with the pany? 1080p/60? or 1080i/60? for the xe1 it wold have to be 1080i/60 ...i do not believe it can even output 1080p/60 ....so just wondering?

i am using 1080i/60 on both of my hd and blu-ray players.

Charles2006

what are you outputing with the pany? 1080p/60? or 1080i/60? for the xe1 it wold have to be 1080i/60 ...i do not believe it can even output 1080p/60 ....so just wondering?

Output of both the Toshi and the Pana is 1080p, but I also tried 1080i and it also works flawlessly. Only the little white "cursor" in the left corner, but this problem is known and should be fixed in one of the next releases of VP50 firmware.

I think having a port expansion device is a great idea!

For me, the next generation should have better/greater HDMI audio interfacing.

The whole point is they ALREADY have the hardware in place for this both the vp20/vp30/vp50 and their vs4 unit is all what you need. No extra ports just a rs232 cable and some changed on the vp20/vp30/vp50 software.

Daniel.

I am running 60i->24 locked for HD DVD and 24p->23.98 unlocked for PS3. I definitely see the little stutters on both formats. I have not seen the tearing lately, but have not checked 16:9 content.

That is peculiar.
I haven't heard the 2 Pirate films are a problem for the Panny.
Have you tried somebody else's disks or your disks in someone else's machine?

No and I don't know anyone nearby that has BluRay copies. However, since I can get past it with the "skip>" while initial disc read (and I didn't like the 2nd POTC movie anyway, so no replay issue :D ), it's not a problem worth pursuing yet since it has not re-appeared with subsequent discs. I'll just let it go for now and assume a random HDMI error in some combo with the Panny and VP 50. I'm not concerned, yet.

Anyone here using the VP50 with a Panasonic Commercial Plasma?

I am . I have the TH 50PF9UK.

Anyone here using the VP50 with a Panasonic Commercial Plasma?

TH-65PHD7UY. Started with iScanHD then VP30 now VP50

So, is there anyone else getting stuttering when taking 480i/p input and outputting to 1080p24 using the VP50? Or was this just a fluke with NORLL's setup?

Anyone here using the VP50 with a Panasonic Commercial Plasma?


50PHD8

I am running 60i->24 locked for HD DVD and 24p->23.98 unlocked for PS3. I definitely see the little stutters on both formats. I have not seen the tearing lately, but have not checked 16:9 content.

I am glad I am not the only one seing this. Anybody else seing these micro-studders with 1080p60 input and 1080p24 output?

I only see the tearing on 16:9 (full frame) content. Never on 1,85:1 or 2,35:1, so this is only a minor problem. Please check for it when viewing 16:9 content at 1080p24 (so I know that I am not mad...).

I am glad I am not the only one seing this. Anybody else seing these micro-studders with 1080p60 input and 1080p24 output?

I only see the tearing on 16:9 (full frame) content. Never on 1,85:1 or 2,35:1, so this is only a minor problem. Please check for it when viewing 16:9 content at 1080p24 (so I know that I am not mad...).

I see it from both my HD-A1 and PS3 both inputting 1080i60 to VP50 outputting 1080p24. Aaron from DVDO said they were aware of the problem and were working on a solution.

Too busy to make a phone call but seeing this post made me think about my showroom. We recently brought this processor into our main theater. After doing the initial set up, my partner has not been able to get into some of the key features. They are "grey'd" out. In particular, the "Prep" function.

Too busy to make a phone call but seeing this post made me think about my showroom. We recently brought this processor into our main theater. After doing the initial set up, my partner has not been able to get into some of the key features. They are "grey'd" out. In particular, the "Prep" function.


Prep featuer would be on if you were sending a 480P signal through the VP50. I don't use the feature, but if I remember correctly, it will not accept anything higher than 480 lines? Someone I'm sure will verify the info.

Ron

You can prep 480p and 1080p. Also, it was not on the original release firmware IIRC.

I see it from both my HD-A1 and PS3 both inputting 1080i60 to VP50 outputting 1080p24. Aaron from DVDO said they were aware of the problem and were working on a solution.

Do you refer to the micro-stutter or the tearing (or both)?

You can use the PreP for both 480p and 1080p, but usually it will do you no good on 1080p. It would in most cases be better to use 1080i if you have an inferior de-interlacing in the source (if the native signal is 1080i of course). The reason for PreP on 480p would be that most modern DVD-player and set-top boxed will not allow you to output native 480i. The PreP also works well for 576p.

Do you refer to the micro-stutter or the tearing (or both)?

You can use the PreP for both 480p and 1080p, but usually it will do you no good on 1080p. It would in most cases be better to use 1080i if you have an inferior de-interlacing in the source (if the native signal is 1080i of course). The reason for PreP on 480p would be that most modern DVD-player and set-top boxed will not allow you to output native 480i. The PreP also works well for 576p.



The stutter.

The stutter.

Ok, thanks. That was the answer I was hoping for.

Then I hope firmware 1.05 will fix 1080p24 input as well as stutters on 1080p24 output.

Ok, thanks. That was the answer I was hoping for.

Then I hope firmware 1.05 will fix 1080p24 input as well as stutters on 1080p24 output.

It would be really good to hear something in this forum from DVDO about this.

Josh???

Can DVDO update the calibration test patterns via the firmware?

Reason i ask is that the current supplied patterns produce an inaccurate greyscale measurement as the windows in the windowed patterns are too large and need to be around 3" x 2" or less.

It would also help if the IRE patterns could be small windowed 0 -100 with the addition of 2%, 5%, 15% and 25% added to the range.

At the moment i have had to use a correctly windowed calibration disk (Non DVDO)that i downloaded and calibrate from source with the VP in the chain, instead of the ideal VP to display and then the source to VP.

Could we also have the calibration disk supplied by Anchor bay updated with these changes and available as a burnable iso that can be downloaded from the web site?

Would DVDO please add this to the next revision?

Too busy to make a phone call but seeing this post made me think about my showroom. We recently brought this processor into our main theater. After doing the initial set up, my partner has not been able to get into some of the key features. They are "grey'd" out. In particular, the "Prep" function.

In the Configuration menu, make sure User Mode is set to Advanced.

First, let me apologize, I have not been keeping up on this thread as we have been moving from Philly to Portland OR. In the move we sold our Sony KD-34XBR2 (CRT), too heavy to move. Also, we are temporarily living in an apartment, looking to buy a house, so my LCD front projector is in storage. Now to my question if someone can help. We purchased a Samsung LN-T4065F LCD display (1080P with 1:1 pixel mapping), however, I cannot get my VP50 to send the Samsung audio over HDMI. If I hook my Motorola DCT cable box directly to Samsung, audio works fine, but if I connect VP50 between the cable box and display, no HDMI audio.
Anyone had this and how did you overcome? Do not want to re-invent the wheel here.

THANKS, in advance.

Regards.

First, let me apologize, I have not been keeping up on this thread as we have been moving from Philly to Portland OR. In the move we sold our Sony KD-34XBR2 (CRT), too heavy to move. Also, we are temporarily living in an apartment, looking to buy a house, so my LCD front projector is in storage. Now to my question if someone can help. We purchased a Samsung LN-T4065F LCD display (1080P with 1:1 pixel mapping), however, I cannot get my VP50 to send the Samsung audio over HDMI. If I hook my Motorola DCT cable box directly to Samsung, audio works fine, but if I connect VP50 between the cable box and display, no HDMI audio.
Anyone had this and how did you overcome? Do not want to re-invent the wheel here.

THANKS, in advance.

Regards.

Have the same problem with DN 622. No hdmi audio and I'm going directly to the TV now. I've had nothing but problems with VP's. Matter of fact, it's in the shop now cause the HDMI output took out my 75' and 35' HDMI cables, possibly my JVC RS1 and my Denon 887. I'm real happy with DVDO!!!!!

I'm real happy with DVDO!!!!!
That's good!

No and I don't know anyone nearby that has BluRay copies. However, since I can get past it with the "skip>" while initial disc read (and I didn't like the 2nd POTC movie anyway, so no replay issue :D ), it's not a problem worth pursuing yet since it has not re-appeared with subsequent discs. I'll just let it go for now and assume a random HDMI error in some combo with the Panny and VP 50. I'm not concerned, yet.
I don't know if this is the same thing....BUT...
Watched DMC last nite and noticed something...
During the FBI warning (actually the blue screen warning right after that) the disk seemed to freeze.
I might have been a little impatient...I don't know. :confused:
However, I skipped ahead and the movie played just fine.

Does that sound similar to what you experienced?

BTW, this is the 1st time something like this has happened on my BD10.
And I have used it extensively. ;)

Sorry everyone for being a little off-topic.
Flint, let's move this conversation to the BD forum or to PMs. :o

I am glad I am not the only one seing this. Anybody else seing these micro-studders with 1080p60 input and 1080p24 output?

I only see the tearing on 16:9 (full frame) content. Never on 1,85:1 or 2,35:1, so this is only a minor problem. Please check for it when viewing 16:9 content at 1080p24 (so I know that I am not mad...).

For ease of connections' sake I'm actually viewing BD movies with my PS3 linked in HDMI first to a new Onkyo receiver for the 1.3 compatibility (the VP50 is not compliant), then I send the HDMI output of the receiver to the VP50 input, and from the output of the DVDO the signal goes to the Mitsubishi HC-5000.

I must admit that at 23,97 Unlocked mode, with the PS3 outputting native BD at 1080@24p, the stutters are quite non-existent, at least they are not close each other, sometime even 20 seconds without a noticeable one in a panning scene (most critical ones IMO).

I'm waiting for a Toshiba XE1 player, as actually I'm watching HD-DVD on a Xbox player in analogue mode (component) @1080i, so I can't help on this.

...Sorry everyone for being a little off-topic.
Flint, let's move this conversation to the BD forum or to PMs. :o

It happened to me again and it's not quite what you describe. I get a full "copyright error C001" and back to the Blu Ray screen with no options available - but I agree, it's more likely addressed in the BD forums. At first I thought it was the VP50 and Panny not liking each other. Still don't know, but I'll drop it here.

How long do we have to wait for the next f/w update v1.5?
I am waiting for noise reduction since almost one year.
DVDO (or Anchor Bay - hell whatever), please keep your promise!

How long do we have to wait for the next f/w update v1.5?
I am waiting for noise reduction since almost one year.
DVDO (or Anchor Bay - hell whatever), please keep your promise!

Better not mess with this guy^. His avatar is a self-portrait! :eek:

when did DVDO promise NR ?

-Gary

How long do we have to wait for the next f/w update v1.5?
I am waiting for noise reduction since almost one year.
DVDO (or Anchor Bay - hell whatever), please keep your promise!

I do not think they ever promised noise reduction. I believe they were considering it, that is hardly the same. It is also not in the specs, so DVDO is not breaking any promises here. I believe that a noise reduction option is more of a internet\forum rumor.

Personally I would prefer to have all bugs fixed before noise reduction i added.

i also wait for long waited bug fixes, known to dvdo since october 2006 !!!!! since then i really did get no update where the status is.

this is sad because it is really a nice product.

btw: today i tested the hd fury with the vp50 and an lg display, and it works great now i'm able to watch the ps3 also on my analog beamer !!!! using hdmi input and output of vp50 and ps3 !!! great, no hdcp

when did DVDO promise NR ?

-Gary
Josh talked about it at CES, said it was slated for late 1Q early 2Q release. He was discussing it while showing us the guitar playing demo he had set up.

He talked about that and something else I can't remember at the moment, might have been PREP, but he was very positive and very clear about it as a coming feature. Obviously things have changed.

when did DVDO promise NR ?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9818758&highlight=avforums#post9818758

Thanks Dale

I took a look at that brochure, it is difficult to understand the exact meaning,

they list NR under the VRS family of technologies, but they also list it under the VP50 so....

-Gary

It was promised, Gary. (OK - they didn't use the word PROMISE - my bad) But release at a future date would tend to raise one's expectations. :rolleyes:

As for upcoming bug fixes, this thread has been relatively quiet since 1.04; without a lot more noise, I wouldn't be expecting anything new very soon. (anybody, anybody? - we know you're hooked up better than I am, Gary :D)

It was promised, Gary. (OK - they didn't use the word PROMISE - my bad) But release at a future date would tend to raise one's expectations. :rolleyes:

As for upcoming bug fixes, this thread has been relatively quiet since 1.04; without a lot more noise, I wouldn't be expecting anything new very soon. (anybody, anybody? - we know you're hooked up better than I am, Gary :D)

it is also quite on the known bugs aready known. and another beta firmwares

it would be glad if josh can keep us more up to date with information.

and i hope everybody agree with me if josh make inofficial annoucements he will not held responsible for this. (bad world)

Has DVDO announced any new products yet?

nope

-Gary

It would really be disconcerting to market a new VP-xx so soon - when alot of us people on this board waited for the VP-50 (over purchasing a VP-30). And, in my opinion, the VP-50 was only really ready for the masses AFTER 1.04 was released in early May. Similiar to my PS3....which really wasn't ready till a few updates ago.....I think these companies have become pressured to release product after product that they know may not be ready, yet, at the same time complacent in the fact that software updates will make most people happier, eventually.....

With 1.04, it's a good addition to my theater. Chatter and most complaints have dropped off....I would take that as most people are mostly satisfied.

Still has bugs, sure......but, give DVDO some credit for coming from 1.00 to 1.04

With 1.04, it's a good addition to my theater. Chatter and most complaints have dropped off....I would take that as most people are mostly satisfied.Heh, that's a coincidence. I just happened to check back here for practically the first time after a couple months of having dropped off the forum, and someone just commented on it. But in my case, it wasn't that I'm satisfied; I just sort of gave up when 1.04 was released as production (not beta) software and still didn't fix my problems. In fact, the only reason I ducked back in this thread was to see if maybe people were talking about 1.05 yet. Well, maybe in another month or two. Sigh.

(Just for the record -- seriously, I'm not going to stick around and discuss it, but I guess I might as well remind whomever that it's still there -- my main problem has been that progressive-scan inputs are, due to PREP, delayed more than interlaced inputs, which sucks for gaming. Still not fixed; should have been easy if anyone really cared.)

Why would you use prep during gaming? The game should be progressive to begin with.

Why would you use prep during gaming? The game should be progressive to begin with.If I remember correctly, poster means that due to PREP code in the firmware, there is always a few frames delay, even if PREP is off...

If I remember correctly, poster means that due to PREP code in the firmware, there is always a few frames delay, even if PREP is off...

I didn't know that. My 360 is the only device I run straight to my TV instead of going through the VP50. So I've never had to deal with that.

Has anyone connected a media center PC to a VP50 using DVI/HDMI output at 1920x1080@60 Hz?

When I try this, I'm unable to get a picture on my 1920x1080 projector. This doesn't make sense to me since I thought the VP50 was fully capable of accepting this resolution. So I'm now bypassing VP50 and have the video out of my Media Center going straight into the projector until I can resolve this issue.

Please help!

Sincerely,
hcsi

Has anyone connected a media center PC to a VP50 using DVI/HDMI output at 1920x1080@60 Hz?

When I try this, I'm unable to get a picture on my 1920x1080 projector. This doesn't make sense to me since I thought the VP50 was fully capable of accepting this resolution. So I'm now bypassing VP50 and have the video out of my Media Center going straight into the projector until I can resolve this issue.

Please help!

Sincerely,
hcsi

Well, I got a PC and it has Vista on it. I didn't buy it put together but not sure why they would matter. Anyway I can play the "stuff" that Media center has on it, through the VP50 just fine at that resolution.

Of course I have to use Powerdvd Ultra to play blu-ray an HD-dvd. But anyway, I don't have any problem seeing whats on Media center, but not really interested in what's on it. Not to mention how bad the video quality is on the things they have.

That resolution is 1:1 mapping on my projector.

Has anyone connected a media center PC to a VP50 using DVI/HDMI output at 1920x1080@60 Hz?

When I try this, I'm unable to get a picture on my 1920x1080 projector. This doesn't make sense to me since I thought the VP50 was fully capable of accepting this resolution. So I'm now bypassing VP50 and have the video out of my Media Center going straight into the projector until I can resolve this issue.

Please help!

Sincerely,
hcsi

I have no problems with my HTPC(Vista Premium) running at 1920x1080P60 into the VP50 using a DVI to HDMI cable. The VP50 is also set to output at 1920x1080P60 into my TV.
I do need to have the VP50 and TV on that input for everything to sync when I turn the PC on. Otherwise I won't get a picture. Once I do that I can change inputs and come back to the HTPC input and I will still have a picture.

they never promised NR, they said they're working on a solution and if they can get it to fit on the VP50, they will do it.

AFAIK, they are not done, nor has there been any official word on when/if it will be implemented on the VP50 itself.

I have no problems with my HTPC(Vista Premium) running at 1920x1080P60 into the VP50 using a DVI to HDMI cable. The VP50 is also set to output at 1920x1080P60 into my TV.
I do need to have the VP50 and TV on that input for everything to sync when I turn the PC on. Otherwise I won't get a picture. Once I do that I can change inputs and come back to the HTPC input and I will still have a picture.

Thank you. That is good to know that I now have 2 data points showing the VP50 will accept a 1920x1080P60 input. I will now go back and tweak my settings to get it to work. I do have a 2nd media center PC with a different graphics card so my plan is to test that out as well.

Thank you. That is good to know that I now have 2 data points showing the VP50 will accept a 1920x1080P60 input. I will now go back and tweak my settings to get it to work. I do have a 2nd media center PC with a different graphics card so my plan is to test that out as well.

I also have no problems with outputing my HTPC at 1080p60. My graphics card has HDMI so i use it to send to the VP50.

My personal request to DVDO staff is to fix the 24p output issues with native 24p inputs (BD PS3).

It's a pity to leave some frame in the field :D to use the "unlock" mode at 23.97 hz...

I know it's only a pass-through, but it's so important when you have 30ft of cable between you and your Pj...
:rolleyes:

they never promised NR, they said they're working on a solution and if they can get it to fit on the VP50, they will do it.

AFAIK, they are not done, nor has there been any official word on when/if it will be implemented on the VP50 itself.

Really? I give you this from their own literature advertising the actual product, not what they hope it to be:

"The iScan VP50 also adds:
• VRS Precision Deinterlacing™ – 10-bit Motion, Edge and Source-Adaptive Deinterlacing of 480i, 576i, and 1080i
• PReP™ – Progressive ReProcessing of 480p, 576p, and 1080p sources
• Noise Reduction....."

Now, let me hasten to add, I don't have a dog in this fight nor much interest. But the regular brash defenders of anything DVDO should read the DVDO literature before making dismissive comments about other posters views that are arguably in conflict with DVDO's own printed ADVERTISING and PROMOTION of their product. Call it a promise or not - for me, don't advertise or promote something you don't have for actual delivery at time of sale, unless you say "coming soon", etc.

they never promised NR, they said they're working on a solution and if they can get it to fit on the VP50, they will do it.

AFAIK, they are not done, nor has there been any official word on when/if it will be implemented on the VP50 itself.
Not to be argumentative, but Josh's own words when I saw him at CES in Jan were that it would be coming in a few months, late March or early April, and there was no doubt about it coming, no "we're trying", it was simply a matter of when, not if.

Guys you also must understand that Josh is sometimes only conveying "rumblings" and not necessarily facts as to products and such, things can change rather quickly and as you can see by the board, folks turn on him in a instant if they find his word isn't gospel and company policy :(

Josh could have very well known it was coming at CES but something could have easily changed, there is certainly a dark side to a company such as DVDO having such open discussions with customers

how many features have folks seen in product brochures that never come to fruition? I can start a good list myself and no I AM NOT apologizing

-Gary

NR would be nice but I went ahead and purchased an HDMI Flea for my broadcast sources.

Guys you also must understand that Josh is sometimes only conveying "rumblings" and not necessarily facts as to products and such, things can change rather quickly and as you can see by the board, folks turn on him in a instant if they find his word isn't gospel and company policy :(

Josh could have very well known it was coming at CES but something could have easily changed, there is certainly a dark side to a company such as DVDO having such open discussions with customers

how many features have folks seen in product brochures that never come to fruition? I can start a good list myself and no I AM NOT apologizing
-Gary

Gary, as I said, I don't have a personal concern in this particular "feature" discussion. But, it is way more than Josh casually saying something at CEDIA vs. DVDO's continued advertising of features they don't have. They don't say features that "are planned" or "being considered" - they list them as features in the unit and use that to sell the unit. There's a huge difference. This NR thing is only the one currently discussed. There have been others, though admittedly addressed thru long delayed f/w updates.

Maybe you aren't apologizing and maybe Oferlaor wasn't either - but the tone is usually defensive and not in keeping with the facts. It's ok to disagree, but when DVDO has the guts to put it in the ad campaign, then they should be accountable for delivery. Someone pointing that out (I forget who started it) should not be subject to heavy criticism for stating the obvious and provable. DVDO makes a generally good product - two of which I have bought now at great (to me) expense. I just expect some responsibility and honesty.

And for the record, maybe you have bought numerous $3000 units that didn't provide the features advertised as present - but I have not. I can't believe your list is really that long. That does sound like a bit of "an apology" excuse to me. Sorry.

Josh could have very well known it was coming at CES but something could have easily changed, there is certainly a dark side to a company such as DVDO having such open discussions with customers



-Gary
There's no doubt things have changed and I have said exactly that in my earlier post, which is fine, companies change directions all the time and I'm not holding anything against Josh or DVDO.

At this point though there is a secondary discussion about whether or not it was "promised", "published", "talked about", etc.

Fact: it was "promised" by Josh Allen at CES but obviously things have changed since that "promise" was made, but the fact remains, it was to be a feature implemented on the VP50 as of the earlier part of this year, as indicated by DVDO's VP Marketing, the public face/interface of DVDO, what has changed since then, who knows? But one thing we do know, there has been no word, comment, explanation, whatever from DVDO on the subject.

Personally and my very own opinion, is that DVDO is moving out of the consumer scaler marketplace to concentrate on OEM solutions as Anchor Bay Tech. I hope I'm wrong, I've throughly enjoyed DVDO's products and as a consumer responsive company and would hope they would continue to offer consumers products in the future, but, I have my doubts that's where they are headed.

There's no doubt things have changed and I have said exactly that in my earlier post, which is fine, companies change directions all the time and I'm not holding anything against Josh or DVDO.

At this point though there is a secondary discussion about whether or not it was "promised", "published", "talked about", etc.

Fact: it was "promised" by Josh Allen at CES but obviously things have changed since that "promise" was made, but the fact remains, it was to be a feature implemented on the VP50 as of the earlier part of this year, as indicated by DVDO's VP Marketing, the public face/interface of DVDO, what has changed since then, who knows? But one thing we do know, there has been no word, comment, explanation, whatever from DVDO on the subject.

Personally and my very own opinion, is that DVDO is moving out of the consumer scaler marketplace to concentrate on OEM solutions as Anchor Bay Tech. I hope I'm wrong, I've throughly enjoyed DVDO's products and as a consumer responsive company and would hope they would continue to offer consumers products in the future, but, I have my doubts that's where they are headed.

I couldn't agree more with your accessment....as stated in some of my more recent comments. As I stated, no hard feelings, but if they are to stay competitive in the end-user market....NR is something they will need to implement.

Ron

...Personally and my very own opinion, is that DVDO is moving out of the consumer scaler marketplace to concentrate on OEM solutions as Anchor Bay Tech. I hope I'm wrong...

I agree with your assessment on DVDO's plans, but disagree on hoping you are wrong. I think more progress lies ahead if companies like Denon incorporate scaling on a level of the VP 50 into their new AVR's.

In fact, Denon has already announced their new AVR's, some of which incorporate the Realta chip for built-in scaling. Personally, I think the all-in-one solution this offers is a better choice in many ways, since integration may do away with the current situation of "scaler A" doesn't like "HD-DVD player B" but gets along with "AVR C". I blame the whole HDMI mess more than any single player in this field. It seems making all these sophisticated devices play well together has been made difficult for no other reason than corporate greed - not tech inability.

Im loosing my mind. I hope someone can give me some help on this one. My VP50 is upgraded to the 1.04 software, and I am having massive audio drop out issues on all my fiber and coax inputs, but no audio drop out issues on hdmi audio in.

Get this...

I have a HD-Tivo from Direct TV (HR-10-250). It I take audio and video from it via its HDMI port. When I feed this into my VP50, I have it convert the video to R G B H V at 1080p/60 out. I take the audio out from its COAX out port. LipSync is prefect at all 4 res's (480i 480p 720p and 1080i). Life is perfect.

This tivo also has a optical audio out. The audio is either stereo 2.0 pcm, or dolby digital 5.1. The audio is sent out hdmi and fiber at the same time, at the same rate.

If I switch my audio input mode on the VP50 to the fiber in port instead of hdmi in, I get massive audio drop outs. (Even with the same "known good" tv show playing out of the tivo in any res).

I also get massive audio drop outs from the other fiber in port hooked up to my JVC D-Vhs deck's audio out port.

I also get audio drop outs from my coax in's ....one hooked to my LG bluray/hd dvd player, and the other hooked to my denon dvd player.

The denon is SDI video.
The LG is HDMI (sadly the LG support zero audio out over its hdmi).

I dont have any other good hdmi sources of audio. But to me, it looks like all 4 audio input (2 coax and 2 fiber) all seem to suffer from drop out really badly (at least 10 drops per 30 mins).

The hdmi audio is perfect.

Please advise?

I agree with your assessment on DVDO's plans, but disagree on hoping you are wrong. I think more progress lies ahead if companies like Denon incorporate scaling on a level of the VP 50 into their new AVR's.

In fact, Denon has already announced their new AVR's, some of which incorporate the Realta chip for built-in scaling. Personally, I think the all-in-one solution this offers is a better choice in many ways, since integration may do away with the current situation of "scaler A" doesn't like "HD-DVD player B" but gets along with "AVR C". I blame the whole HDMI mess more than any single player in this field. It seems making all these sophisticated devices play well together has been made difficult for no other reason than corporate greed - not tech inability.

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but no receiver or pre-amp is going to match a dedicated video processor from a company dedicated to such products and design like DVDO, Lumagen etc.

sure it's nice and may get the job done for some, but the purists and videophiles probably won't be 100% pleased

-Gary

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but no receiver or pre-amp is going to match a dedicated video processor from a company dedicated to such products and design like DVDO, Lumagen etc.

sure it's nice and may get the job done for some, but the purists and videophiles probably won't be 100% pleased

-Gary

I'm not tech savvy enough to agree or disagree and I'm sure the result would be a subjective thing just like those who prefer separate audio components vs. integrated AVR's. But, I thought DVDO indicated that they were moving more in that direction anyway (toward OEM integration vs stand-alone VP's)? They apparently think they can do what you think they can't - unless I misunderstood their concept.

Wow - (and Ofer, I know this is a whole new discussion that could use its own thread, so I'll only post once) - in a receiver or pre-pro, I'll agree Gary.

OTOH - I could easily see a stripped VP50 (or something else) stuck into a high end plasma or lcd panel. Or more so, perhaps bundled with a 3 panel dlp projector. Take out all the options that aren't needed in the installation. Obviously keep the actual VP section, but leave out multiple outputs, resolutions, etc. You should end up with the same performance, if not better, since there would be fewer oppurtunities for the end user to set things up incorrectly. One would think it would cost far less than the Swiss Army knife version they sell now - sounds like a viable business model, if they can sell it to the manufacturers.

Just doesn't help us a whole lot.

But, I thought DVDO indicated that they were moving more in that direction anyway (toward OEM integration vs stand-alone VP's)? They apparently think they can do what you think they can't - unless I misunderstood their concept.

Ray please tell me where you heard this? :confused:

I don't seem to recall hearing that anywhere Ray

-Gary

Gary,

I had heard the same thing awhile back (I think it was on this thread).

I just received today the VP 50 and wanted to upgrade the firmware from 1.00 to 1.04. The .abt file loads up to 990125 and stops with the unit giving m a Serious error 5. I have bounced the unit several times including pressing the Menu and Exit buttons, with no avail. The unit has no firmware so it is stuck on the system update function.
I have emailed and left a message with DVDO tech support. I have not heard a word back from them. Has anyone else experienced this issue, any help would be greatly appreciated.

I just received today the VP 50 and wanted to upgrade the firmware from 1.00 to 1.04. The .abt file loads up to 990125 and stops with the unit giving m a Serious error 5. I have bounced the unit several times including pressing the Menu and Exit buttons, with no avail. The unit has no firmware so it is stuck on the system update function.
I have emailed and left a message with DVDO tech support. I have not heard a word back from them. Has anyone else experienced this issue, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Yikes. Flashing anything makes me nervous. Good luck finding a fix. I'm sure ABT will come through.

If your stuck on the system update, you can restart the transfer from TeraTerm all over again and that will un-brick your unit. If your using the utility found on this thread, I would recommend switching to teraterm to get your firmware uploaded as per the manual. Same problem for me, but different error code a few weeks ago.

-Splints

I am using the Tera Term Pro 2.3. I have tried multiple times and it stops at the same byte count 990,125:( Am I using the correct Tera Term?

I am using the Tera Term Pro 2.3. I have tried multiple times and it stops at the same byte count 990,125:( Am I using the correct Tera Term?

The only 2 things I have ever heard about transfer issues is to not allow your screen saver to come one during transfer and also the DVDO website lists a better (compatiable) driver file than the current Windows updated file.

Othe than that - send it back - spare yourself the wasted time and heartache.

I am using the Tera Term Pro 2.3. I have tried multiple times and it stops at the same byte count 990,125:( Am I using the correct Tera Term?

How long does it stop? Every upgrade to my VP50 has stopped, paused would be a better word, at that same point. I never timed it but it does just sit there a bit and then resumes. If I remember rightly, my VP30 used to do the same thing.
I'm using Tera Term Pro 2.3.
Mike

GTarrant - not to belabor the obvious, but be sure to double check all of the Tera Term settings; then try what you have with the unplugging, let it sit, do the resart/reset bit, and then try to reflash. My 30 hung that way once, that got it out of it. Course, mine just hung on the load - luckily I never saw the serious error message.

Don't think that is good.

I just received today the VP 50 and wanted to upgrade the firmware from 1.00 to 1.04. The .abt file loads up to 990125 and stops with the unit giving m a Serious error 5. I have bounced the unit several times including pressing the Menu and Exit buttons, with no avail. The unit has no firmware so it is stuck on the system update function.
I have emailed and left a message with DVDO tech support. I have not heard a word back from them. Has anyone else experienced this issue, any help would be greatly appreciated.
I had the same problem ... twice actually! Once going from 1.00 to 1.01 and then again when I tried to go to 1.04.
The first time I opened the cover, removed the sdi card, pressed the reset button while powering up and when the screen came up it said, “Load .abt file now”. I started TerraTerm again, flushed the buffers and started the update. That time it slowed around the 900kB point but soon went on and finished normally.
I'd assumed that it was the SDI card. The second time I did not have an SDI card loaded, but the same thing happened. Once again I opened the unit, pressed reset, flushed the buffers and restarted the update - it completed normally.

I am using the Tera Term Pro 2.3. I have tried multiple times and it stops at the same byte count 990,125:( Am I using the correct Tera Term?

How big is the 1.04 abt file? It should be larger than that. If you have a partial d/l that stopped at 990,125, that would explain it as well...

Good luck!

-Splints

How big is the 1.04 abt file? ...


Mine is 7288 KB.
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Axel

How big is the 1.04 abt file? It should be larger than that. If you have a partial d/l that stopped at 990,125, that would explain it as well...

Good luck!

-Splints
7.11 Mb.
The unit is definitly bricked. I checked and rechecked all Tera Pro's settings, used another PC, but still the unit terminates the upload at about 990K. :(