7.11 Mb.
The unit is definitly bricked. I checked and rechecked all Tera Pro's settings, used another PC, but still the unit terminates the upload at about 990K. :(
Did you try resetting the VP50 using the switch inside the unit (and flushing the buffers)? That did the trick for me ...

Did you try resetting the VP50 using the switch inside the unit (and flushing the buffers)? That did the trick for me ...
Where is the Switch?

990K is about where the VP has loaded the first phase and is going to clear memory so it drops Clear to Send (CTS). It would appear that either:

The VP50 is not asserting CTS to allow tera term to resume (doubtful)

Your cable does not have all the wires needed. The cable must have CTS and RTS wired (pins 7 and 8) so it needs at least 5 wires not the normal three some people have come to expect with PC serial communications

Tera term is not set up for hardware handshaking.

Did you try resetting the VP50 using the switch inside the unit (and flushing the buffers)? That did the trick for me ...
Found it, do I unplug the the power from the unit hold down the switch and plug the power back in, or just press the switch with the power plugged in?

990K is about where the VP has loaded the first phase and is going to clear memory so it drops Clear to Send (CTS). It would appear that either:

The VP50 is not asserting CTS to allow tera term to resume (doubtful)

Your cable does not have all the wires needed. The cable must have CTS and RTS wired (pins 7 and 8) so it needs at least 5 wires not the normal three some people have come to expect with PC serial communications

Tera term is not set up for hardware handshaking.

Also, if you're using a USB to Serial adapter, make sure its one of the approved ones, with the approved driver.

If you're using a serial port, check to see if you need to enable CTS/RTS in the serial driver and/or BIOS.

Ray please tell me where you heard this? :confused:

I don't seem to recall hearing that anywhere Ray

-Gary

No Gary I can't and I am too lazy to search for it, but it was discussed here as I (and apparently Oink) recall. Like I said, I'm fuzzy on details but the gist was that DVDO was less interested in moving forward with better versions of the VP 60, 70, etc and more interested in a new management philosophy of OEM integration as a more profitable and sustainable business model. I think it was around the time of the posts on Dale Adams leaving the company, but don't hold me to that and I am not attributing it to Dale.

No Gary I can't and I am too lazy to search for it, but it was discussed here as I (and apparently Oink) recall. Like I said, I'm fuzzy on details but the gist was that DVDO was less interested in moving forward with better versions of the VP 60, 70, etc and more interested in a new management philosophy of OEM integration as a more profitable and sustainable business model. I think it was around the time of the posts on Dale Adams leaving the company, but don't hold me to that and I am not attributing it to Dale.It might have been me, although I don't remember saying this explicitly. More likely, I said something like the following:

I think the issue is more a matter of ABT now having multiple product lines, with the resulting resource conflicts that occur within a small company. The original ABT had only a single product line - the iScan video processors. They now have a family of chips, along with new management and new investors. At a minimum, that opens the door to a change of emphasis for the company.

This doesn't mean that they're not interested in furthering their video processor box line. However, my experience tells me that a small company trying to do many things (and especially when that becomes too many things) will often concentrate on one area at the expense of another. ABT's investors are no doubt interested in how they recoup their investment and also make a profit. Traditionally, that's been more likely with a chip company than with one which makes system-level products (in this case, video processors like the iScans). There are certainly exceptions to this, but that's much more the norm in the industry. Based on my experience I'd have to say that that's also much more typical of the investor mindset.

It's important to note here that I'm not in ABT anymore, so I can't really tell you what their current emphasis is or what products they're working on. I'm not familiar with some of the new management or with the newest investors. Perhaps these folks are more interested in furthering the iScan line than they are the chip line. I'd imagine they'll try and strike some sort of balance between the two, but I can't tell you what that might be.

- Dale Adams

Found it, do I unplug the the power from the unit hold down the switch and plug the power back in, or just press the switch with the power plugged in?
I don't think that it should matter how you do it, but I did press the switch once while the unit was unplugged and also while turning it on using the power switch. Didn't hold the reset while re-plugging the unit.

I am using the Tera Term Pro 2.3. I have tried multiple times and it stops at the same byte count 990,125:( Am I using the correct Tera Term?

I had the same issue. I had to send the unit in to be replaced. :(

I had the same issue. I had to send the unit in to be replaced. :(
Looks like I will be doing the same, the unit is bricked.

It's important to note here that I'm not in ABT anymore, so I can't really tell you what their current emphasis is or what products they're working on. I'm not familiar with some of the new management or with the newest investors. Perhaps these folks are more interested in furthering the iScan line than they are the chip line. I'd imagine they'll try and strike some sort of balance between the two, but I can't tell you what that might be.

- Dale Adams

I know the changes of you giving me a reply on this are small but every few months i feel the urge to ask a question like this anyway :). Can you give a guess how much of the chip space i used ? In other words how realistic is it that the new code in the oem chips like nr can be placed in the vp50? Since you also worked on the vp50 base i can fully understand that you can't talk about this.

Daniel.

I know the changes of you giving me a reply on this are small but every few months i feel the urge to ask a question like this anyway :). Can you give a guess how much of the chip space i used ? In other words how realistic is it that the new code in the oem chips like nr can be placed in the vp50? Since you also worked on the vp50 base i can fully understand that you can't talk about this.There are 2 FPGAs in the VP50. I only worked on one of them, and I don't really know how much free space there might be in the other. Also, I didn't work on the noise reduction or detail enhancement functions, so I'm not sure how much space these might require. In any event, since I no longer work at ABT I wouldn't feel free to comment on this even if I did have all the data.

- Dale Adams

Where are you working now? Are you working on any product that will be available to us soon, or be in a soon to be released product?

Added another HDMI device (Panny BluRay) that doesn't work with Auto Priority. Same as my OPPO 970 (triggers the VP50 even if the source is OFF - shows NO SIGNAL on the INFO screen, but still selects the "off" source). I know most people don't use this feature much, but I wish they would fix it. Saw that the VP30 has the same issue. SJ

None of my HDMI devices work with auto priority.

None of my HDMI devices work with auto priority.

Have you tried changing the physical input order: e.g. instead of hooking up your DVD player to HDMI port #1 use HDMI port #4.
A few months (and several f/w updates) back I had issues with my PS3. Moving it to another port helped for whatever reason.
____
Axel

Added another HDMI device (Panny BluRay) that doesn't work with Auto Priority. Same as my OPPO 970 (triggers the VP50 even if the source is OFF - shows NO SIGNAL on the INFO screen, but still selects the "off" source). I know most people don't use this feature much, but I wish they would fix it. Saw that the VP30 has the same issue. SJ
I have the same sources as you do.
It has been my strategy (at least whenever anything involves HDMI) to keep it simple, stupid.
Auto priority???
Nah, I'll pass... ;)

It's easier to use a harmony remote and to change the input. It works perfectly for me with my HArmony remote to turn on and off and change to the correct input. I hit one button and all my devices turn on and go the proper input. And one button turns everything off. You can't get much easier.

My personal request to DVDO staff is to fix the 24p output issues with native 24p inputs (BD PS3).

It's a pity to leave some frame in the field to use the "unlock" mode at 23.97 hz...

I know it's only a pass-through


Quote :mad:

The date: 6 August

Stay tuned ;)

The date: 6 August

Stay tuned ;)

for VP50pro? :confused:
no thanks i've already pay for this the 24p

P.s.
sorry for my bad English :rolleyes:

At this point I hope they will take back my VP-50 and, with a really little money difference, will upgrade with the new unit soon to came.

However, I must admit that I am disappointed with the behaviour of DVDO staff, if the rumor is true

I apparently will be "upgrading" to an HR-20 due to the new mpeg-4 D* channels.

I have never used an external processor before, and I am wondering how much a product like this could improve the pq of the D*.

Will it improve SD as much as HD?

this is in the first page of Anchor Bay:
" Experience the difference an iScan can make to your high definition display today"
now my BW II "high definition display" accept the 24p but this?

and this in the specs of vp-50 in first page:
-- 4 HDMI Inputs (Capable of processing resolutions up to 1080p-24/50/60)

i stay tuned here for this product !

Ciao NightFuel, sono Salmon

I apparently will be "upgrading" to an HR-20 due to the new mpeg-4 D* channels.

I have never used an external processor before, and I am wondering how much a product like this could improve the pq of the D*.

Will it improve SD as much as HD?

forget trying to improve such overcompressed downrezzed content, nothing will help that sadly

-Gary

forget trying to improve such overcompressed downrezzed content, nothing will help that sadly

-Gary

Are you speaking from 1st hand experience?

sadly yes :(

something with NR, enhancements and the like would help somewhat with HD material from overcompressed sources, but that is a different subject ;)

and the downrezzing, that can never be gotten over, HD is 1920x1080i not 1280x1080i from Directv :rolleyes:

-Gary

However, I must admit that I am disappointed with the behaviour of DVDO staff, if the rumor is true

What rumor is that?

The date: 6 August

Stay tuned ;)

What will happen 6 August?

I must have missed all that!

Hi All,

I have a VP50 for my processing needs and have had it (quickly) calibrated myself (and was quite happy too) some time ago. Because of updates, new equipment etc I want to recalibrate my telly - a sharp aquos lc52-xde1 1920x1080 (followed by the sources etc). Understanding that is better to calibrate the VP50 with the telly before the sources and VP50, my problem is I don't remember ( I really should have taken note of the preferred settings-I know now) what I should be looking for in the brightness/contrast test card of the VP.

I am assuming that the blacker-than-black and the whiter-than-white signals must be non-visible when the bright/contrast are set correctly(?)
Being three signals visible in each box, Is the B-t-B signal 1st on the top left black box ? (I know it should be the blacker than the rest but playing with telly settings have made this a bit of an issue)

Re-reading the manual in the B/C tests states something about the bottom two boxes in the screen having different luma than the two upper black and white main boxes.
Should I just concentrate in the first two black and white base boxes?

Re TV:
TV has some features (among others) like backlight (which I have set it at 0) and colour temp currently set at middle (in a 5 step setting - the lowest being low)
in an attempt to get as close as possible to 6500K temp. (without -for now- using a colormiter etc).

Any suggestions as to how to know you are at the 6500 or near? I remember reading something that initially the white (contrast) seems gray in the eyes. Is this true?

Also, in the HDMI settings for the telly, there is the option to set the colour range as RGB, 4:4:4 YCbCr or 4:4:2 YCpCr and a setting for colour matrix between ITU 601 and ITU 701. Any ideas on the combinations and their improvements?

Furthermore, it seems that I can't get 1:1 pixel mapping (using 1st test pattern and checkin board to check this ) unless the TV's wide mode setting (the only available with HD res) is set to full AND vp50s output underscan is 30%. Any ideas here? (the other wide mode option in hte telly is underscan. But using it I can't change the underscan or overscan in vp50 at all and I don't get 1:1 mapping)

In another matter Re Extending VP50s hdmi inputs:
I find my needs for hdmi i/ps exceed the 4 hdmi currently present.
Does anyone know a good 2in-1out or 4in-1out hdmi inputs device (that does not cost a lot) to be fed in one of the VP50 hdmi inputs?
I still want of-course the VP50 to do the processing so it will have to be pass through in both video res (from 480i/p@ 50/60 all the way up to 1080p24/50/60)
and audio.

Many thanks in advance for your time reading this.

Regards,

kopa13

6 August......the date :p

only five days to know

sólo cinco días para saber

seulement cinq jours pour savoir

nur fünf Tage um zu wissen

Hi All,

I have a VP50 for my processing needs and have had it (quickly) calibrated myself (and was quite happy too) some time ago. Because of updates, new equipment etc I want to recalibrate my telly - a sharp aquos lc52-xde1 1920x1080 (followed by the sources etc). Understanding that is better to calibrate the VP50 with the telly before the sources and VP50, my problem is I don't remember ( I really should have taken note of the preferred settings-I know now) what I should be looking for in the brightness/contrast test card of the VP.

I am assuming that the blacker-than-black and the whiter-than-white signals must be non-visible when the bright/contrast are set correctly(?)
Being three signals visible in each box, Is the B-t-B signal 1st on the top left black box ? (I know it should be the blacker than the rest but playing with telly settings have made this a bit of an issue)

Re-reading the manual in the B/C tests states something about the bottom two boxes in the screen having different luma than the two upper black and white main boxes.
Should I just concentrate in the first two black and white base boxes?

Re TV:
TV has some features (among others) like backlight (which I have set it at 0) and colour temp currently set at middle (in a 5 step setting - the lowest being low)
in an attempt to get as close as possible to 6500K temp. (without -for now- using a colormiter etc).

Any suggestions as to how to know you are at the 6500 or near? I remember reading something that initially the white (contrast) seems gray in the eyes. Is this true?

Also, in the HDMI settings for the telly, there is the option to set the colour range as RGB, 4:4:4 YCbCr or 4:4:2 YCpCr and a setting for colour matrix between ITU 601 and ITU 701. Any ideas on the combinations and their improvements?

Furthermore, it seems that I can't get 1:1 pixel mapping (using 1st test pattern and checkin board to check this ) unless the TV's wide mode setting (the only available with HD res) is set to full AND vp50s output underscan is 30%. Any ideas here? (the other wide mode option in hte telly is underscan. But using it I can't change the underscan or overscan in vp50 at all and I don't get 1:1 mapping)

In another matter Re Extending VP50s hdmi inputs:
I find my needs for hdmi i/ps exceed the 4 hdmi currently present.
Does anyone know a good 2in-1out or 4in-1out hdmi inputs device (that does not cost a lot) to be fed in one of the VP50 hdmi inputs?
I still want of-course the VP50 to do the processing so it will have to be pass through in both video res (from 480i/p@ 50/60 all the way up to 1080p24/50/60)
and audio.

Many thanks in advance for your time reading this.

Regards,

kopa13

Monoprice has some inexpensive 3x1 and 5x1 HDMI switches that work well withthe VP50. I have one of the 3x1 switches connected to mine for my broadcast sources.

Monoprice has some inexpensive 3x1 and 5x1 HDMI switches that work well withthe VP50. I have one of the 3x1 switches connected to mine for my broadcast sources.

Thanks aaronwt. However, I am looking to support 576i/p as well as i'm located in the UK. ;). I've found 3in-1out or 5in-1out switches for a decent price now. One thing I am not sure of, in the description it states "Extends the range of HDMI compliant devices by equalizing and re-clocking the HDMI signal"

Can this be a problem with VP50?


Any tips regarding my other questions on VP50 and B/C test pattern above?

Many thanks,

Kopa13

I just replace my DVDO vp50 with Anthem AVM 50. I had some issue with my DVDO vp50 and getting to work correctly. AVM 50 was a lot easier to work with. HD looks awesome and SD doesnt look bad too.

Thanks aaronwt. However, I am looking to support 576i/p as well as i'm located in the UK. ;). I've found 3in-1out or 5in-1out switches for a decent price now. One thing I am not sure of, in the description it states "Extends the range of HDMI compliant devices by equalizing and re-clocking the HDMI signal"

Can this be a problem with VP50?


Any tips regarding my other questions on VP50 and B/C test pattern above?

Many thanks,

Kopa13

Can't remember how to use the patterns properly either but can give some hints on the TV settings.

Try;

AV Mode : User
Wide Mode: Underscan
Temp: Middle
Black: Off
DNR: Off
Sharp: 0

Other settings will need some calibration but as an example here are some I've used;

Backlight: -3
Contrast: 25
Bright: 0
Colour: -6
Tint: -2

You should get 1:1 with the VP50 defaults for 1080p50 and 1080p60 but on my 46" model the top couple of rows aren't displayed.

Try;

AV Mode : User
Wide Mode: Underscan
Temp: Middle
Black: Off
DNR: Off
Sharp: 0


Thanks ailean. But last time I put the telly in underscan I get the two top rows disappearing (like yours) and the active frame gets reduced in all angles in SD channels.


You should get 1:1 with the VP50 defaults for 1080p50 and 1080p60 but on my 46" model the top couple of rows aren't displayed.

That's the problem. If the telly was 1:1 pixel mapping I should be able to see the full square in the first test pattern and all arrows in the box properly.
I can get this by using the telly in full mode and VP50 set to 30% underscan.
Which make me thinks that the telly overscans ;)



Other settings will need some calibration but as an example here are some I've used;

Backlight: -3
Contrast: 25
Bright: 0
Colour: -6
Tint: -2


thanks for this but these (usual) settings largely depend on the viewing conditions of the room (ie light, walls etc). Last time I did a calibration using the VP50 and a SD DVD source with DVE Pal and Avia for NTSC) I got the right values for me (well as right as without using colormiters and reference gammas etc :).

I got the B/C combination as Con=38 Br=-5 with 0 backlight, Sharpness (-10), tint (0) and colour -6.

Regards,

kopa13

Thanks ailean. But last time I put the telly in underscan I get the two top rows disappearing (like yours) and the active frame gets reduced in all angles in SD channels.

Yes you loose top two rows but I suspect this is masking not overscanning, you need to bring up the lines and dots patterns to check 1:1 not the frame/border one. If you see line-space-line... in both H & V patterns then it's 1:1.

Not sure what you mean about SD channels, if they are coming thru the VP50 then simply set enough zoom on that input to fill the screen with active image. You should find borders all round normally with TV channels when you have 1:1, that's because/why TVs normally overscan.


That's the problem. If the telly was 1:1 pixel mapping I should be able to see the full square in the first test pattern and all arrows in the box properly.
I can get this by using the telly in full mode and VP50 set to 30% underscan.
Which make me thinks that the telly overscans ;)


I don't think you'll get 1:1 doing this, rarely does two scaling operations equal pixel mapping, like I said I think it is masking the top rows (to hide the data lines in broadcasts).


thanks for this but these (usual) settings largely depend on the viewing conditions of the room (ie light, walls etc). Last time I did a calibration using the VP50 and a SD DVD source with DVE Pal and Avia for NTSC) I got the right values for me (well as right as without using colormiters and reference gammas etc :).

I got the B/C combination as Con=38 Br=-5 with 0 backlight, Sharpness (-10), tint (0) and colour -6.

Regards,

kopa13

Indeed, that's why I separated those from the others and said you needed calibration for them rather then just enter them. ;)

And yes, couldn't remember the scale for the sharpness one but it should be at the minimum or your 1:1 pixels will get fuzzy.

There's a nice big thread on this model range on UK AVForums with loads more on XDE settings, not a lot on scalers but following the posts on getting 1:1 from a PC should help.

Yes you loose top two rows but I suspect this is masking not overscanning, you need to bring up the lines and dots patterns to check 1:1 not the frame/border one. If you see line-space-line... in both H & V patterns then it's 1:1.

Not sure what you mean about SD channels, if they are coming thru the VP50 then simply set enough zoom on that input to fill the screen with active image. You should find borders all round normally with TV channels when you have 1:1, that's because/why TVs normally overscan.



I don't think you'll get 1:1 doing this, rarely does two scaling operations equal pixel mapping, like I said I think it is masking the top rows (to hide the data lines in broadcasts)


If I switch to underscan on the telly I don't see the chekerboard or the lines at all in either V or H test patterns of the VP50 (just one grey picture which if I take a very close look I can barely spot that there are spaces among the lines).
while with telly in full mode and vp50 in 30% underscan I can see those patterns ok.

Also I get too much flickering (with actionmode off or on) on the screen with telly in underscan.

I can get the frame pattern to show properly (ie all squares full) by using v & H shifting in the in the format menu. But that switches me from 1920x1080 preset to user preset.

also note that I am not using a PC to set/calibrate the set. Sources I use are SD DVDs, BD & HD-DVD and SKYHD (testPattern). But I do want to see if I can get 1:1 before moving to calibration etc.

regards,

kopa13

From Anchor Bay:

"LOS GATOS, Calif. - July 9, 2007 -
Anchor Bay today announced a free software upgrade for its DVDO® iScan™ VP50 video processor that allows the system to produce a 1080p-24 output for any standard- or high-definition input, enabling an artifact-free, theater-like viewing experience. The new “Film Technology” feature is available as a software upgrade for the VP50 and is also slated for integration into Anchor Bay’s forthcoming ABT2010 video processing chip.

The v1.04 “Film Technology” software upgrade is available to Anchor Bay’s customers as a free download on its website, using either a serial or USB connection from the PC to the VP50...."


Where is?

v1.04 came out almost 3 months ago didn't it?

.


Where is?

In the Anchor Bay site....since May the 9th ;)
This http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/vp.php should take you straight to downloads. Select the 1.04 for VP50.

Kopa13

In the Anchor Bay site....since May the 9th ;)
This ******* should take you straight to downloads. Select the 1.04 for VP50.

Kopa13

yes, i've the 1.04, and where is the "Film Technology" feature?
the notice is July 9
what happen the 1.04 is change now in silence?

yes, i've the 1.04, and where is the "Film Technology" feature?
the notice is July 9
what happen the 1.04 is change now in silence?

The film technology is the 1080p24 output from different sources (1080p60, 1080i60, 720p60, 480p60, 480i60). It works, but it is not 100%. I still stutters a bit. Hopefully it will be fixed soon!

I currently have an component only HDTV and just bought a VP50 in anticipation of a front projector. My question is can I use HDMI inputs from my directtv equipment to the video processor and output component or will copy protection interfere. I know on HDDVD I couldn't do this but does the HR20 or HR10 have copy protection (I have one of each) that would prevent this?

The film technology is the 1080p24 output from different sources (1080p60, 1080i60, 720p60, 480p60, 480i60). It works, but it is not 100%. I still stutters a bit. Hopefully it will be fixed soon!

is not exactly:

LOS GATOS, Calif. - July 9, 2007 - Anchor Bay today announced a free software upgrade for its DVDO® iScan™ VP50 video processor that allows the system to produce a 1080p-24 output for any standard- or high-definition input, enabling an artifact-free, theater-like viewing experience. The new “Film Technology” feature is available as a software upgrade for the VP50 and is also slated for integration into Anchor Bay’s forthcoming ABT2010 video processing chip.

The v1.04 “Film Technology” software upgrade is available to Anchor Bay’s customers as a free download on its website, using either a serial or USB connection from the PC to the VP50. With the upgrade, the VP50 is the industry’s first video processor with the ability to take all standard- and high-definition input signals and output them at 1080p-24, 1920x1080 pixel frames displayed at 24 frames per second. Other manufacturers can generate a 24-frame output from interlaced input signals, but only Anchor Bay has technologies that allow this with all input signals, interlaced or progressive.

Using Anchor Bay’s PReP™ and Progressive Cadence Detection, the VP50 and ABT2010 are able to process interlaced and progressive signals correctly, recreating the original 24 frames that existed in the source from the 60 frames that the content is encoded in. The breakthrough process results in a stunning viewing experience without the artifacts that are typically introduced by high-resolution displays, such as judder, which manifests on the screen as jerky camera pans.

“We are excited to provide our ‘Film Technology’ as a software upgrade to the VP50, offering both new and existing customers the first video processor that offers a 1080p-24 output,” said Craig Soderquist, CEO at Anchor Bay. “With ‘Film Technology,’ VP50 users can view all their movies at the exact same frame rate they would see in the theater. In addition, this breakthrough method will be featured in our ABT2010 chip. With more and more displays supporting 1080p-24, this feature provides a differentiator for display manufacturers, allowing them to offer their customers an experience that is unavailable using other solutions.”

but if the 1.04 came out May the 9th, how can the film technology to be inside if the notice is come out the July 9? is insert after?
i re-download the 1.04 now?

The whole 24fps thing is overated anyway. There is so much judder inherent in the film camera you are not going to notice a difference.

The whole 24fps thing is overated anyway. There is so much judder inherent in the film camera you are not going to notice a difference.

Why?
in reference at the player? now the PS3 with new fw force the exit at 24p native,
or what ? :confused:

The whole 24fps thing is overated anyway. There is so much judder inherent in the film camera you are not going to notice a difference.

I agree, the only reason I want 24p is that I want a direct mode(ala Sony S1) that give us exactly what is on the BD/HD disc, no conversions or etc., the VP50 then makes a great 60hz from that on my setup and I am happy :)

-Gary

but if the 1.04 came out May the 9th, how can the film technology to be inside if the notice is come out the July 9? is insert after?
i re-download the 1.04 now?

In July version 1.04 went from Beta to production. No changes were made. If you have version 1.04 installed you have the latest.

In July version 1.04 went from Beta to production. No changes were made. If you have version 1.04 installed you have the latest.

therefore the “Film Technology” feature was added to 1.04 production In July,
someone can to confirm?

se qualche Italiano capita da queste parti, potrebbe darmi una mano a farmi capire, non mastico bene l'inglese,
Grazie

Hi All,

I've asked this before but it was part of a larger set of questions so perhaps it was missed. So here it is again...

When calibrating the bright/contrast settings with the VP50 and the TV (sources to follow) I am assuming that the Blacker than black signal (from the VP50's 1st B/C test pattern) needs to be non-visible (in the black boxes) while the Whiter-than-White needs to be visible (in the white boxes). Is this the case?

I hope someone can answer this.

Thanks and Regards,

kopa13

I currently have an component only HDTV and just bought a VP50 in anticipation of a front projector. My question is can I use HDMI inputs from my directtv equipment to the video processor and output component or will copy protection interfere. I know on HDDVD I couldn't do this but does the HR20 or HR10 have copy protection (I have one of each) that would prevent this?

The HDMI output of your DirecTV box will be HDCP encrypted. You can't convert that to component. Better to just use the component output from the DirecTV box.

therefore the “Film Technology” feature was added to 1.04 production In July,
someone can to confirm?The feature itself has been in 1.04 all along, since its initial beta release. After it was "officially" released as production firmware (still unchanged, version 1.04) in July, they apparently decided to promote it with a press release (and the fancy new "Film Technology" name). By following this forum, we just get (some) information sooner than the "general public," which is all that happened in this case... ;)

--John

Hi All,

I've asked this before but it was part of a larger set of questions so perhaps it was missed. So here it is again...

When calibrating the bright/contrast settings with the VP50 and the TV (sources to follow) I am assuming that the Blacker than black signal (from the VP50's 1st B/C test pattern) needs to be non-visible (in the black boxes) while the Whiter-than-White needs to be visible (in the white boxes). Is this the case?

I hope someone can answer this.

Thanks and Regards,

kopa13

Wish I could provide an answer for you, but, as a fairly new DVDO VP50 owner as well, I can't. The manual is a "piece of ----" and unfortunately there seems to be very little help on this forum from the VP50 "experts". Many months ago I even sent a PM to a very vocal member and VP50 owner on this very page seeking help on proper setup and tweaks, never even responded! Maybe if we had a "dvdo for dummies" thread started we could all benefit from the vast knowlege base available. That kind of help is what this forum is really all about............ :rolleyes:

From Anchor Bay:

"LOS GATOS, Calif. - July 9, 2007 -
Anchor Bay today announced a free software upgrade for its DVDO® iScan™ VP50 video processor that allows the system to produce a 1080p-24 output for any standard- or high-definition input, enabling an artifact-free, theater-like viewing experience. The new “Film Technology” feature is available as a software upgrade for the VP50 and is also slated for integration into Anchor Bay’s forthcoming ABT2010 video processing chip.

The v1.04 “Film Technology” software upgrade is available to Anchor Bay’s customers as a free download on its website, using either a serial or USB connection from the PC to the VP50...."


Where is?

What is the new chip they mention all about? Is this for a new VPxx processor or for integration with other devices (DVD players, etc.). Thanks. SJ

What is the new chip they mention all about? Is this for a new VPxx processor or for integration with other devices (DVD players, etc.).The chip is the ABT2010, and includes deinterlacing, scaling, noise reduction, detail enhancement, OSD and other features. A description can be found here:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt2010.php

Based on that description it sounds like it could be used in a number of different types of devices, including a video processor.

- Dale Adams

The chip is the ABT2010, and includes deinterlacing, scaling, noise reduction, detail enhancement, OSD and other features. A description can be found here:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/semiconductors/abt2010.php

Based on that description it sounds like it could be used in a number of different types of devices, including a video processor.- Dale Adams

Hmm...you reading this Gary? I guess it can be done after all, and most likely will! :eek: :D

Isn't the ABT2010 the chip in the HD-A20 HD DVD player? Or does that have a different chip?

The Toshiba HD-A20 uses the ABT1018, which is our 10-bit scaling solution: http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/pdf/ABT_1018_PB_053007.pdf

WOW! The ABT2010 sounds like it can do what the VP50 does and more! Is it available in any products yet?

Hmm...you reading this Gary?

Of course I am, I read everything :)

-Gary

Maybe the new chip will be in the all new VP1000 :). Noticed that it also does HDMI 1.3. I feel a tremor in the upgrade force..... ;)

Noticed that it also does HDMI 1.3.Not quite. What it really said was that it supported a 12-bit output resolution, and that such an output is compatible with an HDMI 1.3 transmitter (which can actually accept up to 16 bits per component, I believe).

- Dale Adams

Maybe the new chip will be in the all new VP1000 :). Noticed that it also does HDMI 1.3. I feel a tremor in the upgrade force..... ;)

VP1000 ? do tell ;)

-Gary

Wouldn't it be the VP100?

Wouldn't it be the VP100?

nah, VP1000 makes more sense. after all, that's probably what they're gonna want (a cool G), plus our VP50s, to get a VP50 (er, I mean 1000) with NR, pass thru, and HDMI 1.3. :cool:

The feature itself has been in 1.04 all along, since its initial beta release. After it was "officially" released as production firmware (still unchanged, version 1.04) in July, they apparently decided to promote it with a press release (and the fancy new "Film Technology" name). By following this forum, we just get (some) information sooner than the "general public," which is all that happened in this case... ;)

--John

perhaps we are not understood, if shipment the 24p (pure) from the PS3 to vp-50 I what to have in escape to BlackWing II?
the BWII work perfecly at 48Hz (47,96) directly from PS3,
with VP-50 this is possible?
to me it seems not, therefore where is the new feature "Film Technology", Anchor Bay it must to before guarantee the fully compatiblity with the VP-50 and new HD technology (like publishing at the moment of the launch, and until where e' written in the specs), and only after she can letting out the new models, otherwise many of we we will address towards others devices of others producers.

what is happening in Anchor Bay?, this politics is not for me corrected !

How about a video processor with HDMI 1.3 and a CMS?

How about a serious company that respect the own customers

Will I lose any or all of my settings for my VP50 when I upgrade from 1.01 to 1.04?

Eric

Will I lose any or all of my settings for my VP50 when I upgrade from 1.01 to 1.04?

Eric

calm, you do not lose nothing

Hi there,

some days ago, I read on the homepage of my german DVDO distributer that there will be a "VP50 pro" with dual (SD-)SDI and HDMI 1.3 ports...
Today I wanted to check again, but the link is gone.

Does anone know about this new DVDO product?
It seemed as if they were told by DVDO not to publish this news now...

Anybody?

Cheers,
Sandel

The link is actually still available, but they deleted the info and want to post it again in monday

http://image.ag/scaler_iscanvp50pro.php

So do we want to start a poll on how much the upgrade will run? :D

VP50 Pro Features

HDMI 1.3 and dual SDI input !!!

Interesting, I'm getting a sense that current VP50 owners have been short-changed somewhat. Wasn't the VP50 supposed to be THX as well, the logo was going to added later? And we already know that it was supposed to get NR...looks like DVDO has just taken those features, added HDMI1.3 and 2 SDI(SDI-HD) inputs and are marketing a new VP...I do wonder how much the upgrade will be...

Interesting, I'm getting a sense that current VP50 owners have been short-changed somewhat. Wasn't the VP50 supposed to be THX as well, the logo was going to added later? And we already know that it was supposed to get NR...looks like DVDO has just taken those features, added HDMI1.3 and 2 SDI(SDI-HD) inputs and are marketing a new VP...I do wonder how much the upgrade will be...

what feature are hardware related and what are just software an can be implement in the VP50 !!

Interesting, I'm getting a sense that current VP50 owners have been short-changed somewhat. Wasn't the VP50 supposed to be THX as well, the logo was going to added later? And we already know that it was supposed to get NR...looks like DVDO has just taken those features, added HDMI1.3 and 2 SDI(SDI-HD) inputs and are marketing a new VP...I do wonder how much the upgrade will be...

Indeed it also shows us what happened to the HD-SDI card
that was 'ready' but never shipped. Lets hope they do a good upgrade path again. Most of us feel they should have added some of these things to the vp50 but if the added new features (like dual sdi and 1.3) make up for it.

One thing that should be noted is that will probably not be a fpga design anymore and that means its in concept less flexible than the current model.

But given the features and if the price is not alot higher they will again have a winner imho.

Daniel.

i hope that the upgrade price will be not to high !

what will be with the SDI card ? are there two card or will this a dual card ?

Interesting, I'm getting a sense that current VP50 owners have been short-changed somewhat. Wasn't the VP50 supposed to be THX as well, the logo was going to added later? And we already know that it was supposed to get NR...looks like DVDO has just taken those features, added HDMI1.3 and 2 SDI(SDI-HD) inputs and are marketing a new VP...I do wonder how much the upgrade will be...Indeed, buyers of the VP50 where led to believe THX cert was pending, and noise reduction is/was clearly indicated on the commercial VP50 flyers. A poster with some legal experience previously indicated that buyers could probably demand repair or their money back unless the announced features would be delivered (VP30 thread). Maybe now is the time to demand the promised feature as DVDO seems to be able to deliver THX cert and NR? Then DVDO can either deliver new FW or exchange the not-fully-functional VP50 for the VP50pro ;)

Ok,
hour I waited for the update to the vp-50 (and like me many other buyers), Anchor Bay must gives the equal machine to the detailed lists with which she be promoted and sold, and that it reflects the characteristics of old the brochure. if this did not happen, will go for ways lawyers, be a matter itself therefore of advertising deceptive and hypothesis of swindle.

absolutey right. On the other hand I wouldn't even mind to pay SOME amount of money for a decent NR and Edge Enhacement feature (Algolith did the same with it's Dragonfly processor), but if ABT comes up with a $800 something upgrade path without any special offer for recent VP50 buyers, then users should really demand what has been promised.

Let's not jump to any conclusions yet, DVDO/ABT hasn't even made the official announcement yet and I'm sure all the US-VP50 owners will join in anyway once this happens.

since also so many bugs are not solved yet i also support to return the vp50.
since all my bugs are reported in november 2006 with stilll waiting responce from dvdo !! nothing was solved yet ! normally i return such things back to the dealer if a fix isn'T be released with in 2-3 month !!!!

so i hope dvdo will handle this issue with a real nice consumer support and not catch up more money from the customer!!!

i think also return the VP50 back to the dealer since the bugs/problems where not fixed !!!
and then i look what i will do buy the vp50pro or a Cii or something else !

Indeed, buyers of the VP50 where led to believe THX cert was pending, and noise reduction is/was clearly indicated on the commercial VP50 flyers. A poster with some legal experience previously indicated that buyers could probably demand repair or their money back unless the announced features would be delivered (VP30 thread). Maybe now is the time to demand the promised feature as DVDO seems to be able to deliver THX cert and NR? Then DVDO can either deliver new FW or exchange the not-fully-functional VP50 for the VP50pro ;)

I hope this is a joke :(

I don't see any company refunding buyers who just bought the latest model and are now upset because something newer was announced, if they did, they would be in business for all of 2 mins ;)

this is way of life in this hobby, anything you buy will nearly be overshadowed by the newer model with more features in less than 6 months

that said, DVDO's upgrade offers are always the best in the business, bar none :)

-Gary

Gary, you're absolutely right of course.

All we want to see is a reasonably priced upgrade path or - if technically possible - an update with NR and Detail Enhancement without a hardware upgrade to HDMI 1.3.

If ABT can't provide NR/DE for VP50-owners then it was simply a mistake to announce it in the first place. Fine with me, but then they should at least apologize to customers and offer a nice-price upgrade.

Let's see what DVDO annouces :)

I hope this is a joke :(

I don't see any company refunding buyers who just bought the latest model and are now upset because something newer was announced, if they did, they would be in business for all of 2 mins ;)....


-Gary

Anchor Bay must gives the equal machine to the detailed lists with which she be promoted and sold, and that it reflects the characteristics of the OLD brochure (replaced after)
nothing of more nothing of less

Icaro, has the brochure ever been replaced ? Even today I still see this ad-flyer hosted on ABT's page:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/pdf/DVDO_VP50_bro_HiRes_PP.pdf

And it sill says Noise Reduction and Detail Enhancement fo the VP50 (not pro)...

Too bad this “pro” model doesn’t have two HDMI outputs. I’d dearly love to send audio to my audio processor and video to my display simultaneously.

Too bad this “pro” model doesn’t have two HDMI outputs. I’d dearly love to send audio to my audio processor and video to my display simultaneously.
The new VP-75 (on the market soon) would probably serve to your purpose...
:D

Mike, a simple HDMI splitter will do just fine on the DVDO outputs, a powered one with EDID simulation is best, this is what I am going to do

-Gary

I'm experiencing a problem I've not seen before. I've had my VP50 since it was released and have been running the latest fw since its release. I'm now seeing a thin white line in the upper left corner of the image flash frequently during movies. I've only seen it using my Pio 59avi DVD player which is outputting 480i (I've been using this player for years). The VP50 is outputting 1080ip24 . I have not seen it with either my HD or BR players or HD Tivo. Has my unit developed a defect?

Mark

Mike, a simple HDMI splitter will do just fine on the DVDO outputs, a powered one with EDID simulation is best, this is what I am going to do


Unfortunately, I've run into nothing but horrendous handshaking issues with the HDMI splitters I've tried.

Josh, there are some that have HDCP shaking and EDID simulation, so they simulate a connection to prevent those problems, I haven't used them yet, but will try one soon and see ;)

-Gary

Gary, definitely report back on your findings (HDCP-compliant HDMI splitters)

the german distro now removed the vp50 pro sites. it seems that dvdo was not very pleased with release of the information :-)

the good think is that i have stored here the technical data pdf from dvdo it self and not linked it !

the german distro now removed the vp50 pro sites. it seems that dvdo was not very pleased with release of the information


I guess not :rolleyes:

-Gary

Hi Folks,

I've had a DVDO iScan HD+ since 2004, and lately every time I run a video signal through it, my front projector [Sony HS51], is showing heavy Moire patterns which come-and-go.

If I power-cycle the DVDO, and touch nothing else, the DVDO will reboot and show a proper image [no Moire through the same looped-video scene], for a while.

At first the problem showed up via the s-video connectors, I thought my old DVD player, S-video cables, or connectors were dying. I replaced the s-video cables and the problem went away for a little while.

Then I started seeing it through my component cables from both of my DVD players; different component cables, and different component connections on the DVDO.

This is an example what it looks like:
http://www.bealecorner.com/fx1/HDV-detail/Nero2DVD-withMoire.jpg

Is this a known DVDO issue, and is there a DVDO firmware fix for this?

I found the latest firmware for my unit to be [July 11, 2005]:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/abt/hdp_6-7_2-91.abt

At 1st, I thought my DVDO unit was simply overheating, but lately the Moire patterns are showing up right after the DVDO is turned on [having been turned off for days].

I will try the firmware and report back.

Thanks,
Fabian.

I guess not :rolleyes:

-Gary

i asked today also dvdo what about an upgrade and the say until they post the informtion on their website there will be no statement :-(

it seems image.ag will get into trouble :D

i asked today also dvdo what about an upgrade and the say until they post the informtion on their website there will be no statement :-(


Maybe we need to start chasing Jason, at AVS....find out what power buy they have going this time. Must admit, last one was good enough to get me into the 50, even after all the unsolved problems I had with my VP30.

Maybe we need to start chasing Jason, at AVS....find out what power buy they have going this time. Must admit, last one was good enough to get me into the 50, even after all the unsolved problems I had with my VP30.

maybe we should more chase jason from dvdo, i think dvdo has been quit since some time in this threat.

the vp50 was not really usable be for 1.04 and still face problem, we where beta testers.

so please jason give some statement and good news for owners of the vp50.

HDMI 1.3 would be welcome for those of us with BD and HD-DVD players.
However, DVDO is a little late to the game IMO.
The Integra 9.8 pre/pro has 1.3 and a Reon....mine should be here in the next couple of weeks.
The VP50 will go downstairs...

Maybe now is the time to demand the promised feature as DVDO seems to be able to deliver THX cert and NR? Then DVDO can either deliver new FW or exchange the not-fully-functional VP50 for the VP50pro ;)
I hope this is a joke :(

I don't see any company refunding buyers who just bought the latest model and are now upset because something newer was announced, if they did, they would be in business for all of 2 mins ;)Well, I did add a ;) symbol... Also, I support your opinion. But I feel you're missing the point in this case: the specific VP50 features were documented but not delivered, that is not the same as the example you gave.

HDMI 1.3 would be welcome for those of us with BD and HD-DVD players.

What will come out of your speakers or display that you could not get before with these players?

HDMI 1.3 would be welcome for those of us with BD and HD-DVD players.
However, DVDO is a little late to the game IMO.
The Integra 9.8 pre/pro has 1.3 and a Reon....mine should be here in the next couple of weeks.
The VP50 will go downstairs...

Oink, if you think that the Reon will match anything from DVDO (or any other dedicated scaler) then you are setting yourself up for heartbreak ;)

-Gary

VP50 Pro Features

HDMI 1.3 and dual SDI input !!!

They need a version thats substitutes another HDMI output for the SDI.

To all the owners of the VP-50 all over the world:
what of thoughts to join to us and launch a petition or whichever thing in order to make that Anchor bay respect the extolled detailed lists ?

To all the owners of the VP-50 all over the world:
what of thoughts to join to us and launch a petition or whichever thing in order to make that Anchor bay respect the extolled detailed lists ?
No thanks. Mine works perfectly.

Before we get out the torches and pitchforks and storm the office in Campbell, can I remind people that all this is speculation based on an unofficial posting on a distributors web page, which may or may not prove to be true?

Let's give them a chance to actually officially announce a new product/products and/or strategy before working ourselves into a frenzy.

And yes, I do think they should make good on what they published as features for the product when we decided to buy.

@EricBergan

I agree totally,
but in Italy the news is official
from official importer to the specialistic reviews

I hope this is a joke :(

I don't see any company refunding buyers who just bought the latest model and are now upset because something newer was announced, if they did, they would be in business for all of 2 mins ;)

this is way of life in this hobby, anything you buy will nearly be overshadowed by the newer model with more features in less than 6 months

that said, DVDO's upgrade offers are always the best in the business, bar none :)

-Gary

Why, exactly, is that anything approaching a "joke"? I have two minds about DVDO. One is very positive, in that they make a (generally, but not totally) good product that does MOST of what it is supposed to do. The other, not so good, is that they are long-time deceptive advertisers of their products features, either claimed or promised. The bugs last a long time, through several (long awaited) f/w updates and features advertised and promised are never delivered.

I'm not on a witch hunt for DVDO, but I am somewhat unhappy with the problem solving and missing features. In general, I like the VP50 and the VP30 before that. But they are far from what is claimed for them, even though some of the major issues have been slowly solved via f/w. It is not a "way of life in this hobby" or any other that I know of, to spend about $3k for something that is only partly capable of its promotion. Gary, you seem like a nice and knowledgeable guy and I truly mean no disrespect - but you do occasionally sound a little too much like a cheerleader for the company, in the face of strong evidence of their failings.

Being overshadowed by the next model usually means by improvements - not just actual implementation of what was promised and advertised as existing when you bought the earlier model. Same goes for upgrade. Yes, they have a very good upgrade program, but an "upgrade" generally means added features, etc - not just fixing the old stuff that never worked and charging more for it.

A good way to be "out of business in 2 mins" is to continue promising/advertising what you can't deliver and then expect to promise the same in the "next big thing" coming for even more money. DVDO does a reasonable job at trying to fix things, though less so lately. And, despite your earlier denials, they are clearly moving into the OEM chip market, which makes one wonder how they will divide their limited resources. I don't believe they will devote as much to "old issues" with past products (VP30, 50) as they will to the new strategy. Nothing wrong with being a supporter - I have/was for a long time - but let's keep it to facts, not fiction. I'm glad you and Oleafor stand behind them, as Josh is mostly gone, but try to see both sides and not call realistic opposing views "a joke".

Seems obvious to me a lack of recent VP50 upgrades is a symptom of the pending release of the VP50 Pro. I don't like it but it's pretty typical for a company such as ABT. I can only hope they offer an equitable upgrade offer for VP50 owners.

Ray, sums up my feelings exactly, well put.


Seems obvious to me a lack of recent VP50 upgrades is a symptom of the pending release of the VP50 Pro. I don't like it but it's pretty typical for a company such as ABT. I can only hope they offer an equitable upgrade offer for VP50 owners.
The problem now with upgrade offers from DVDO, especially the "early bird" type of offers is that they are basically meaningless to me as I'm not upgrading to a VP50Pro until I know for sure that everything that's advertised/promoted functions as it should. If and when it's determined that the VP50 is what they say it is, and the early buy offers have expired, then I'll ask for that early buy price, and if I don't get it, then I'll look elsewhere.

I've learned that lesson from the VP50 which I still feel is an incomplete product.

Why, exactly, is that anything approaching a "joke"? I have two minds about DVDO. One is very positive, in that they make a (generally, but not totally) good product that does MOST of what it is supposed to do. The other, not so good, is that they are long-time deceptive advertisers of their products features, either claimed or promised. The bugs last a long time, through several (long awaited) f/w updates and features advertised and promised are never delivered.

I'm not on a witch hunt for DVDO, but I am somewhat unhappy with the problem solving and missing features. In general, I like the VP50 and the VP30 before that. But they are far from what is claimed for them, even though some of the major issues have been slowly solved via f/w. It is not a "way of life in this hobby" or any other that I know of, to spend about $3k for something that is only partly capable of its promotion. Gary, you seem like a nice and knowledgeable guy and I truly mean no disrespect - but you do occasionally sound a little too much like a cheerleader for the company, in the face of strong evidence of their failings.

Being overshadowed by the next model usually means by improvements - not just actual implementation of what was promised and advertised as existing when you bought the earlier model. Same goes for upgrade. Yes, they have a very good upgrade program, but an "upgrade" generally means added features, etc - not just fixing the old stuff that never worked and charging more for it.

A good way to be "out of business in 2 mins" is to continue promising/advertising what you can't deliver and then expect to promise the same in the "next big thing" coming for even more money. DVDO does a reasonable job at trying to fix things, though less so lately. And, despite your earlier denials, they are clearly moving into the OEM chip market, which makes one wonder how they will divide their limited resources. I don't believe they will devote as much to "old issues" with past products (VP30, 50) as they will to the new strategy. Nothing wrong with being a supporter - I have/was for a long time - but let's keep it to facts, not fiction. I'm glad you and Oleafor stand behind them, as Josh is mostly gone, but try to see both sides and not call realistic opposing views "a joke".

first of all, no disrespect taken, who am I to deserve respect anyway, I am the same as everyone else here ;), and yes I am very much a DVDO cheerleader :) , but there has to be some common sense here that needs to come into play

first of all, the VP50 was announced and delivered into peoples hands before NR and other enhancements were even mentioned or thought of, anyone remember that ? I do

I can assure you this was the case, no ifs or buts, same goes for THX certification, it was mentioned only after the product had been out and had some shelf life

they didn't promise or advertise anything currently mentioned or scrutinized today about the VP50, thus they didn't "Not Deliver" anything, no THX, no HD-SDI, no NR, applys to them all

did DVDO have intentions and those were not met? probably, that would explain those who said Josh told them about NR and would explain the flyer on DVDO's website (which was put up well after the release of the VP50 BTW)

this should be easy to look into and confirm and frankly it's entering into sour grapes territory, had they been announced before release you bet I would have been onto them also, but that isn't the case

it seems what we have here are people taking advantage of a company who is very outspoken with their customers and has a excellent and complete upgrade policy, this is otherwise known as being spoiled and I see it everytime, "I just bought so and so and I am mad because something newer was announced", this happens everyday in this hobby and we don't expect this type treatment from every manufacturer, if we did, it would be a big case of disappointment

-Gary

Oink, if you think that the Reon will match anything from DVDO (or any other dedicated scaler) then you are setting yourself up for heartbreak ;)

Don't worry, there WILL be a shoot-out... ;)

first of all, the VP50 was announced and delivered into peoples hands before NR and other enhancements were even mentioned or thought of, anyone remember that ? I do

I can assure you this was the case, no ifs or buts, same goes for THX certification, it was mentioned only after the product had been out and had some shelf life

they didn't promise or advertise anything currently mentioned or scrutinized today about the VP50, thus they didn't "Not Deliver" anything, no THX, no HD-SDI, no NR, applys to them all

did DVDO have intentions and those were not met? probably, that would explain those who said Josh told them about NR and would explain the flyer on DVDO's website (which was put up well after the release of the VP50 BTW)
-Gary

While this would be true if the only time anyone bought was on the initial announcement, but that isn't the case. Some people bought later, after some of these features were officially announced and in the product flyer.

eric

Eric, they were never officially announced in a press release or such, the only thing is the flyer and I can say many many times I have seen incorrect info in those, too many times to count

I have made a habit of buying gear based on what features it currently has at the time of release, and was said to have before that release occured

-Gary

Eric, they were never officially announced in a press release or such, the only thing is the flyer and I can say many many times I have seen incorrect info in those, too many times to count

I have made a habit of buying gear based on what features it currently has at the time of release, and was said to have before that release occured

-Gary

It was the data sheet on the web site for the product, seems pretty official to me.

You're right, sometimes advertised features don't work, but then the vendor is expected to make it right somehow for those that request it.

Remember, I'm also suggesting everyone waits until they hear what Anchor Bay has to say before lining up the lawyers :p

This is stated on the ABT website about the ability of the VP50 -

"4 HDMI Inputs (Capable of processing resolutions up to 1080p-24/50/60)"


It currently cannot accept a 1080p/24 input, process it and output 1080p/24

ABT should rectify this ASAP with a firmware upgrade before releasing another model.

I gave them a year with the VP30 to fix issues that existed on day one, I upgraded to the VP50 because it was promised to fix these year old issues, the VP50 still had many issues unresolved till 1.03/1.04 and it still to this day is not working 100% (although mostly newer features). :rolleyes:

Features promised for the VP30 before launch still haven't appeared in the VP50 and if it takes DVDO 2 years to fix the bugs/features from launch and 1 year to release the next upgrade we are never going to see a current 100% working model. ;)

I'm sorry but I've given them 2 chances now, I don't think the VP50 Pro will actually fix any issues with the VP50, it'll just add more bugs and delay fixes for existing models.

Unless they give it away for free and allow international returns with 100% refund if it doesn't work as advertised then I'd rather go with the new Luma, at least they admit there product is a beta and actually tell you what features/fixes they're working on and when they hope to have them released. :eek:

I don't think DVDO have lived up to there reputation with the VP range, time people realised this (least those of us who don't get free beta units :D ).

Some people bought later, after some of these features were officially announced and in the product flyer.
eric

I am one of the many

Remember, I'm also suggesting everyone waits until they hear what Anchor Bay has to say before lining up the lawyers

I am one of the many

first of all, the VP50 was announced and delivered into peoples hands before NR and other enhancements were even mentioned or thought of, anyone remember that ? I do

these things have been promoted endured from the launch, (see old brochure )

Gary, I not knowledge like you alive, I am happy for you if you can allow you to spend 3000K every three months for yours hobby, but normal people on the planet earth the morning they raise themselves and go to work and for many persons 3000k they are nearly three months of hard job (mental and physical) you you know what wants to say to earn of the money? you know what you want to say to toil the money?

Ray, sums up my feelings exactly, well put.



The problem now with upgrade offers from DVDO, especially the "early bird" type of offers is that they are basically meaningless to me as I'm not upgrading to a VP50Pro until I know for sure that everything that's advertised/promoted functions as it should. If and when it's determined that the VP50 is what they say it is, and the early buy offers have expired, then I'll ask for that early buy price, and if I don't get it, then I'll look elsewhere.

I've learned that lesson from the VP50 which I still feel is an incomplete product.
Why would you get the early buy price after it has expired? That defeats the purpose of the early buy price. That is the main reason why I keep upgrading my DVD scaler, because of the excellent price and trade in given with the initial offering. It makes it worthwhile to do it. I traded up to the VP30 form the HD+ and traded from the VP30 to the VP50. I have been extremely happy with all their offerings. I don't necessarily want or need to trade up to a VP50PRo but since the best offer is at the beginning I probably won't have a choice. It should at least be on par with the VP50 initially which has been excellent for me.

I don't necessarily want or need to trade up to a VP50PRo but since the best offer is at the beginning I probably won't have a choice. It should at least be on par with the VP50 initially which has been excellent for me.

I had/have been agreeing with that sentiment. Not so sure anymore - not with the advertised "blowout" prices we've seen on VP50s lately, from 3rd party resellers (dealers?) I think I could have sold my VP30 last month, picked up one of the lowball VP50s, and come out in pretty much the same place. Without all the aggravation of waiting for my problems to be fixed. -Which, I'll admit, were fixed with 1.04. But golly, was quite a wait, not to mention all of the posts from cheerleading squad telling me that 1)I didn't have a problem, 2)not many people had the problem, and 3)I should just do something else and ignore the problem.

Unless the upgrade is amazingly compelling, I'll wait til the end of the 50Pro's cycle, when all of the bugs are exposed, and hopefully fixed. Then watch for someone to be dumping them, sell my 50, and upgrade at that point. :D

It is possible that the VP50-PRO is a sister product of the VP50, ie not a replacement? so software development / bug fixes will still carry on for the VP50. I think this as it is still called a VP50, not a VP60

well, there will have to be at least some hardware upgrades. at least, as I recall, it was posted much earlier that the VP50 couldn't be made HDMI 1.3 compatible via software. So if that memory is correct, than some of the improvement will not be transferable to the 50.

for that matter, don't get your hopes up anyway - one of the reasons I bought into the 50 was because it was supposed to fix the bugs of the 30; it didn't - they were still there, and unfixed until V1.04. Contrary to what anyone else will tell you, I would counsel you to purchase a VP50 Pro for the extra hardware implementations - NOT for bug fixes that have not yet been addressed on the VP50.

(otoh, I stand quite willing to be proven a liar in that statement - I have no problem with ABT shipping a unit that does everything they say it will. Just wouldn't bet my HT on it happening. ;) )

Why would you get the early buy price after it has expired? That defeats the purpose of the early buy price. That is the main reason why I keep upgrading my DVD scaler, because of the excellent price and trade in given with the initial offering. It makes it worthwhile to do it. I traded up to the VP30 form the HD+ and traded from the VP30 to the VP50. I have been extremely happy with all their offerings. I don't necessarily want or need to trade up to a VP50PRo but since the best offer is at the beginning I probably won't have a choice. It should at least be on par with the VP50 initially which has been excellent for me.
I probably wouldn't get the early price if I wait, I'm just saying I'm waiting this time instead of ordering on the first day like I have in the past to be sure that what's advertised for this unit actually works as it should.

The downside of DVDO's very generous upgrade policy is that one becomes somewhat locked into a DVDO product good, bad or ugly as to "break away" means trying to sell the VP50 on the open market at a very reduced price compared to some of the very low retail prices seen lately, and then spending 1000's more on a different brand/product.

Don't get me wrong, I have been very happy with DVDO and their products, it's just that with this last product cycle that happiness has become a bit tarnished, especially when I see features that were promised in the VP50 now coming out on a new upgraded(read:more money) product. IOW, upgrading with DVDO is not the "lock" for me as it has been in the past. Can anyone honestly say that the VP50 is a refined and finished product? I don't think so, I still don't use the audio features as I have no confidence that they work correctly in a consistent manner, things like that are what is giving me pause on snapping up the upgrade at the getgo.

so after all the blame, now i have a question.

how i should connect my vp50 and if i have one of the new recievers or power amps.

should the blu ray player connect to the vp50 and then to the reciever and then to the display ?

or should the blu ray player first go into the reciever and then the reciever into vp50 and then into the display ?

the reciever is maybe the yamaha z11 (with abt1018) or denon avc-a1hd or the big pioneer

I probably wouldn't get the early price if I wait, I'm just saying I'm waiting this time instead of ordering on the first day like I have in the past to be sure that what's advertised for this unit actually works as it should.

The downside of DVDO's very generous upgrade policy is that one becomes somewhat locked into a DVDO product good, bad or ugly as to "break away" means trying to sell the VP50 on the open market at a very reduced price compared to some of the very low retail prices seen lately, and then spending 1000's more on a different brand/product.

Don't get me wrong, I have been very happy with DVDO and their products, it's just that with this last product cycle that happiness has become a bit tarnished, especially when I see features that were promised in the VP50 now coming out on a new upgraded(read:more money) product. IOW, upgrading with DVDO is not the "lock" for me as it has been in the past. Can anyone honestly say that the VP50 is a refined and finished product? I don't think so, I still don't use the audio features as I have no confidence that they work correctly in a consistent manner, things like that are what is giving me pause on snapping up the upgrade at the getgo.

Precisely and exactamento! Great minds and all that.....

I probably wouldn't get the early price if I wait, I'm just saying I'm waiting this time instead of ordering on the first day like I have in the past to be sure that what's advertised for this unit actually works as it should.



I'm pretty much in the same boat.

There are a couple of other factors for me, as well.

First, because the industry has decided to feed audio and video through the same cable, it really makes separate video and audio processors a pain to deal with. You've got to figure out what the right sequence is, worry about incompatibilities, etc. A combined audio/video processor makes things so much simpler (assuming you don't throw out the picture quality/audio quality.) Couple that with the fact my audio pre-amp (Theta Casanova) is getting long in the tooth, and it makes me have to sit back and consider how I want to upgrade.

Second, although not commented on here much, the Q1 financing round that Anchor Bay got was lead by a VC that invests solely in "semiconductor and micro device" (quoted from the press release) companies. It really does make you wonder how much of their resources are going to go into an end-user box, versus the OEM market.

Now, the reason I'm rambling on this is to hope that Anchor Bay will give us some clear guidance on their strategy and direction going forward. If they are serious about the end-user boxes, I think to convince me and others, they are going to have to not just announce the next generation, but put some effort into showing us how committed they are to it, and why their strategy makes sense.

I'm not looking for an answer immediately, but maybe for CEDIA?

eric

so after all the blame, now i have a question.

how i should connect my vp50 and if i have one of the new recievers or power amps.

should the blu ray player connect to the vp50 and then to the reciever and then to the display ?

or should the blu ray player first go into the reciever and then the reciever into vp50 and then into the display ?

the reciever is maybe the yamaha z11 (with abt1018) or denon avc-a1hd or the big pioneer

My preference is for the VP50 to be the last in the loop. Any and all corrections can be made at that time to the image.

It can work either way as long as the receiver doesn't do any video processing. With my Denon 3806 I can run it to the VP50 first then to my receiver before going to the TV.Or to the receiver, then to the VP50 before going to the TV. The result is the same for me . How I have mine set up though, since it's easier for me, i have an HDMi 1x2 splitter on the output of the VP50 and send one output to the Tv and one to my receiver. Then On my PS3 I have another HDMI splitter and send audio to my receiver and video to the VP50. I've found in my setup up this is the easiest for me, but everyone is different. Thsi is why i would like two HDMI outputs on future DVDO products. If I do get one with HDMI 1.3 I will need to get an HDMI splitter with 1.3 also and of course a new receiverwith 1.3. my Tv is supposed to have 1.3 but I have no idea how to test it.

Aaron, what splitter do you use and does everything work exactly as it should?

thanks :)

-Gary

Both HDMI splitters are ConnectGear splitters. I did have one of the Monoprice 1x2 HDMI splitters, and that worked also. But the ConnectGear splitters are a third of the size of the Monoprice ones. The Monprice 1x2 is pretty big. Unless they've changed them recently.

Has anyone had any experience with CYP HDMI splitters?

I’m afraid I’m going to need an HDMI splitter. I’ve had three different receivers in the chain to get high rez audio and I swear that even though all three have either bypass or on/off settings for video processing, I still detect some level of video degradation.

Ideally, all your sources should go to the VP first. If for nothing else, you can build input profiles for each source (resolution, format, color, brightness…etc). For example, my PS3 outputs 1080P/24, but I have to output 1080/48 to my display while my A2 outputs 1080i and I output 1080/24 with that sources. My SD dvd player looks best at a 1080/P60 output. – and don’t forget lip sync. The VP-50 does a great job with lip sync and if you’re like me, all these different sources require a different delay. You won’t get that if you go to the AVR first as not many have multiple lip sync options.

So from my VP, in order to hear uncompressed audio, the VP’s output needs to be routed to the AVR. In an ideal world, the AVR would strip the HDMI audio from the signal and not do anything to the video stream. Unfortunately, I have trouble believing that any audio processor will not adversely affect the video stream.

I am in the camp with the others who want two HDMI outputs. Both live…. One would go to the audio processor and one to the display devise.

Mike, the HDMI chips are supposed to passthru untouched or so they say, I have no history of performing this test, I will know soon with the Integra 9.8 pre-amp

I demand separate inputs on the scaler, so all sources must go to it first, on the other hand I would also like separate inputs for each HDMI audio device on the pre-amp, this presents a problem for me as I am sure it does others

I am going to try running all sources to the DVDO, then output that into the Integra and out the Integra to my CRT PJ, the Integra claims a 100% video bypass

the only other way would be to buy a HDMI splitter for each source device I have and run one each HDMI to the VP50 and the Integra pre-amp, a expensive cabling nightmare :mad:

another problem that comes into play is that my scaler currently drives a 35 foot HDMI cable nicely, the DVDO's have a high output voltage, who wants to bet that the Integra pre-amp output won't work as well? I do! :(

there is one final option here, HD-SDI for everything and use HDMI only for audio :eek: now where talking ;)

from what I have gathered and asked around, HDMI chips are supposed to repeat and not cause any degradation of anything, who knows if this is the case

-Gary

I ran into a major issue where if I sent all my HDMI devices to the VP50 and then to my reciever the VP50 will get stuck sending only 2 channel audio to the receiver. :( This doesn't happen all the time, but it seamed to happen if the source started sending 2 channel PCM audio and then switched to multi-channel PCM (happens a lot with my PS3).

So I've had to re-wire my setup so I send everything into my AVR then to the VP50. Now my only problem is I seem to have more lip-sync issues then when I went from the VP50->AVR. I'm slightly worried if I change the de-interlacing from Force 3-2 to Game Mode then this would also change my lip-sync setting. I believe the VP50 would hanle this automatically if the audio when thru it first, but since the audio is now separated out I would need to change my AVR lipsync delays when ever I change the de-interlace mode.

Mike,

Your problem is one we all share who have sources routed to the VP first. I just cycle inputs when it happens. Not ideal, but a workaround. I am very sensitive to lip sync and have tried routing things to the AVR first, but gave up on that idea. Heck, that’s why I bought the Marantz, it has four HDMI inputs.

Gary,

Good luck with the 9.8. So far I’ve had HDMI routed to an HK 745, Marantz 8001 and a Yamaha 661. Every one of these have what they claim “vido bypass”. Every one of them does something to the video stream. If I cut them out of the loop, the image is sharper. Right now I have an irritant where the Marantz will loose all video for a fraction of a second at completely random time periods. It does not loose sound. %$%$%##@!!!!!

I think the best option until DVDO comes out with a dual HDMI output magic box is to use a splitter off the VP-50. This will mean one other set of cable from the AVR to the display to see the AVR’s OSD / Menu, but it will ensure the video stream is as pure as can be. As fussy as you are with video, I suspect you will find the 9.8 does something as well. (you are more picky than I am)

I just need to find a splitter that works correctly. I’m tired of wasting money on gadgets that work “most of the time”.

Mike, but what if a splitter causes degradation also? :p :(

I just relaized I would need a 1.3 capable splitter also? :(

whats is a man to do? :mad:

-Gary

strip off the hdcp before it causes you any trouble. :eek:

the answer to this mess is simple, SDI for all video, output as HDMI from scaler to display and HDMI from each component to pre-amp for audio :D done!!!

-Gary

Has anyone had any experience with CYP HDMI splitters?

i have bought on, it's now shipped :-) so i hope it will arrive today

i will use it for the VP50 output to splitt it into 4 signals

2 of them goes into a HD Fury (to decode the HDCP ****) to be connected to one lcd and Beamer, the other one is goeing into my other LCD directly with hdmi

so i hope all this works

the answer to this mess is simple, SDI for all video, output as HDMI from scaler to display and HDMI from each component to pre-amp for audio :D done!!!

-Gary

But that way, you could have lip sync issues, right?

not at all, pre-amps have separate lip sync adjustments per input :)

Pharados, please let us know how it goes ;)

-Gary

not at all, pre-amps have separate lip sync adjustments per input :)

Pharados, please let us know how it goes ;)

-Gary

first impression:

1.) package is arrived :-)
2.) very small size same size as a 3,5" HDD but double in the hight
3.) universal power supply for all countries (connection not only power)
4.) connection on both sides, this i dont like, i would prefer it on one site.

testen comes later, since i need one more HDMi cable :-(

I ran into a major issue where if I sent all my HDMI devices to the VP50 and then to my reciever the VP50 will get stuck sending only 2 channel audio to the receiver. :( This doesn't happen all the time, but it seamed to happen if the source started sending 2 channel PCM audio and then switched to multi-channel PCM (happens a lot with my PS3).

So I've had to re-wire my setup so I send everything into my AVR then to the VP50. Now my only problem is I seem to have more lip-sync issues then when I went from the VP50->AVR. I'm slightly worried if I change the de-interlacing from Force 3-2 to Game Mode then this would also change my lip-sync setting. I believe the VP50 would hanle this automatically if the audio when thru it first, but since the audio is now separated out I would need to change my AVR lipsync delays when ever I change the de-interlace mode.

I only have this problem with my PS3, it gets stuck on 7.1 and won't switch to 5.1. this is the reason I put an HDMI splitter on my PS3 output, So I can send one output directly to my receiver so I don't have to worry about that problem. Although I don't have the problem with my other HDMI devices connected to my VP50(HD-XA2, two HDTiVos routed through an HDMI Flea first, and a Comcast HD cable box)

The date: 6 August

Stay tuned ;)


did I blink and miss something? or is the leaked press release auf Duetsch what we were waiting for with bated breath?

Was this something that only occurred on the 6th, and then was nevermore? At least my rig is still running. I was afraid nacchio might have known about some virus attack that would erase all of my Runco's memory blocks. ;)

not at all, pre-amps have separate lip sync adjustments per input :)


Yes, but then you'd loose adaptive lip sync from the VP50.

strip off the hdcp before it causes you any trouble. :eek:


How is that done? I have handshaking issues on one of my TV's all the time with my 1:4 splitter.

true, but adaptive is not needed 100% of the time or in all systems, DVDO lists the delay for their processing and such, a pre-amp that stores separate lip sync adjustments per input would do the trick

as I will soon be getting my first HDMI pre-amp I do plan to use the VP50 for all audio and etc. including adaptive lip sync as you mentioned ;)

-Gary

did I blink and miss something? or is the leaked press release auf Duetsch what we were waiting for with bated breath?

Was this something that only occurred on the 6th, and then was nevermore? At least my rig is still running. I was afraid nacchio might have known about some virus attack that would erase all of my Runco's memory blocks. ;)
This is DVDO we're talking about, you don't expect them to deliver on time, even just a press release. :D

But hey maybe they are waiting till they have beta 1.05 ready, with NR. :p

I can definitely say things are going on. I can't say anything (NDA), but DVDO is not sitting on their hands...

thanks Ofer (and feel free to delete your post before anyone sees it ;) ) - in the absence of any commentaries from our (normally) voluble friend Gary, I thought we were possibly the victims of disinformation. :D

I will say the same as Ofer and thats it, I respect DVDO and NDA's very much ;)

-Gary

I guess the question is, is this exciting news for us VP50 owners or is it the VP50-Pro model stuff. Because if it's the latter, let's just say I'm not exactly going to be thrilled.

first impression:

1.) package is arrived :-)
2.) very small size same size as a 3,5" HDD but double in the hight
3.) universal power supply for all countries (connection not only power)
4.) connection on both sides, this i dont like, i would prefer it on one site.

testen comes later, since i need one more HDMi cable :-(

so i can confirm, the CYP or Altone Splitter works good. with VP50 and also with HD Fury

the is a small resolution or Handshaking switching issue.
if you swap the resolution the Splitter seems to me catching the handshake loose it and catch it again, but with in 2 seconds the picture is perfect.

Testet With following components

VP50 Firmware 1.04
LG 47LB2RF HDMI (European version od 47LA or so)
Toshiba 42WL58P VGA (over HD Fury)
PS3 1080P24 Firmware 1.90
Mitsibushi XD200U VGA (over HD Fury) will be tested later

Ofer said it best, DVDO is not sitting on their hands, and this talk of them moving away from scalers is from a horses ass to put it politely :p

all things in good time ;)

-Gary

Ofer said it best, DVDO is not sitting on their hands, and this talk of them moving away from scalers is from a horses ass to put it politely :p

all things in good time ;)

-Gary

I've tried to lay out my concerns, I'm looking forward to hearing Anchor Bay address them with an announcement of their next product(s?)/future directions.

thats exactly what you need to do Eric as should everyone, say whatever you think ;)

-Gary

the splitter is the cyp 4 hdmi same as the altona version.

i must change my statement of the splitter now i found some problems but i don'T understand them.

when the output of the vp50 is routed through the splitter i can'T get pictures of inputs from Composite and svhs connections from my vp50 ???

svhs -> vp50->hdmi->splitter->display no picture ?? why
composite -> vp50->hdmi->splitter->display no picture ?? why

HDMI 1080p, YUV (576i) and SDI have following problem:

also i have the problem if i switch the inputs of the vp50 or channels of the devices connected to the vp50. the picture is there (1 sec) is gone (1 sec) is there (1sec) and is gone (1 sec) is there (for ever) ?

i also tried the following i display the testpattern of the vp50 with half test picture and half input picture, i tried the above channel switching of my tv box and the same ?????

i also do the same with hdcp on and off for the VP50 output

is this a problem of the splitter or is this more a problem of the vp50 ?

Ofer said it best, DVDO is not sitting on their hands, and this talk of them moving away from scalers is from a horses ass to put it politely :p

all things in good time ;)

-Gary

Gary, I always appreciate you candor and info here at AVS.


On a side note, I hope that DVDO comes out with some info in the next 30 days...I would imagine I'm not alone in the fact that I'm on the pre-order list for a competitors product. I would like to hear what DVDO has planned, but to be honest it would take some significant news to retain me as a customer at this juncture. Going through a DVDO upgrade program is the point of least resistance, but to be honest I'm prepared to make a move to another company (even though selling the VP50 in the private market is a pain) that I think their focus has changed as it relates to the end-user market.

Ron

Ofer said it best, DVDO is not sitting on their hands, and this talk of them moving away from scalers is from a horses ass to put it politely :p

all things in good time ;)

-Gary

Well, speaking of horses :p, just to let you know that the eagle has landed at this side of the pond.... now just a few more days so that it finds its way home.

Gary, I always appreciate you candor and info here at AVS.


On a side note, I hope that DVDO comes out with some info in the next 30 days...I would imagine I'm not alone in the fact that I'm on the pre-order list for a competitors product. I would like to hear what DVDO has planned, but to be honest it would take some significant news to retain me as a customer at this juncture. Going through a DVDO upgrade program is the point of least resistance, but to be honest I'm prepared to make a move to another company (even though selling the VP50 in the private market is a pain) that I think their focus has changed as it relates to the end-user market.

Ron

your welcome Ron, I would assume you have pre-ordered the Lumagen Radiance?

-Gary

your welcome Ron, I would assume you have pre-ordered the Lumagen Radiance?

-Gary

That is correct.

Bump.. can anyone help on this issue.. hello..?

Hi Folks,

I've had a DVDO iScan HD+ since 2004, and lately every time I run a video signal through it, my front projector [Sony HS51], is showing heavy Moire patterns which come-and-go.

If I power-cycle the DVDO, and touch nothing else, the DVDO will reboot and show a proper image [no Moire through the same looped-video scene], for a while.

At first the problem showed up via the s-video connectors, I thought my old DVD player, S-video cables, or connectors were dying. I replaced the s-video cables and the problem went away for a little while.

Then I started seeing it through my component cables from both of my DVD players; different component cables, and different component connections on the DVDO.

This is an example what it looks like:
http://www.bealecorner.com/fx1/HDV-detail/Nero2DVD-withMoire.jpg

Is this a known DVDO issue, and is there a DVDO firmware fix for this?

I found the latest firmware for my unit to be [July 11, 2005]:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/abt/hdp_6-7_2-91.abt

At 1st, I thought my DVDO unit was simply overheating, but lately the Moire patterns are showing up right after the DVDO is turned on [having been turned off for days].

I will try the firmware and report back.

Thanks,
Fabian.

probably not in this tread, why not try the iScan HD+ thread ?

probably not in this tread, why not try the iScan HD+ thread ?


Can you point me to this thread?

I can't seem to find any on DVDO...

Thanx!
F.

Can you point me to this thread?

I can't seem to find any on DVDO...

Thanx!
F.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=444830

the splitter is the cyp 4 hdmi same as the altona version.

i must change my statement of the splitter now i found some problems but i don'T understand them.

when the output of the vp50 is routed through the splitter i can'T get pictures of inputs from Composite and svhs connections from my vp50 ???

svhs -> vp50->hdmi->splitter->display no picture ?? why
composite -> vp50->hdmi->splitter->display no picture ?? why

HDMI 1080p, YUV (576i) and SDI have following problem:

also i have the problem if i switch the inputs of the vp50 or channels of the devices connected to the vp50. the picture is there (1 sec) is gone (1 sec) is there (1sec) and is gone (1 sec) is there (for ever) ?

i also tried the following i display the testpattern of the vp50 with half test picture and half input picture, i tried the above channel switching of my tv box and the same ?????

i also do the same with hdcp on and off for the VP50 output

is this a problem of the splitter or is this more a problem of the vp50 ?

so i check today more and i think i know now the cause of this problem

it seems to me if the VP50 have no input signal or Composite or SVHS it will have some effect to the output HDMI signal and this cause the splitte to turn of !

i run the intern test pattern then i switch the vp50 to some input (For example HDMI2) where nothing is connected and i got no picture.

i run these test with different frame rates, also lock and unlocked and also with output HDCP on or OFF. so this will not be the issues.

Hello,

i have a problem with HDMI-Audio-Out at my VP50:

If i connected my source (Sat-Box with HDMI-Out) directly with
HDMI to my Samsung LCD everything ist OK - I have Audio.

If i connected the Sat-Box with HDMI to the VP50 and then with HDMI
to the Samsung LCD i have no Audio!

If i connected my SDI-DVD-Player with SPDIF-Audio-Out to the VP50
and then with HDMI to my Samsung LCD (LE46-M86) i have no Audio.

It seems, the VP50 don´t have Audio-Out on HDMI.

At the Digital-Coax or the Digital-Optical-Out everything is ok.

What can I do.

Thanks for help!!

Sorry about my bad english.

Marc

Hello,

i have a problem with HDMI-Audio-Out at my VP50:

If i connected my source (Sat-Box with HDMI-Out) directly with
HDMI to my Samsung LCD everything ist OK - I have Audio.

If i connected the Sat-Box with HDMI to the VP50 and then with HDMI
to the Samsung LCD i have no Audio!

If i connected my SDI-DVD-Player with SPDIF-Audio-Out to the VP50
and then with HDMI to my Samsung LCD (LE46-M86) i have no Audio.

It seems, the VP50 don´t have Audio-Out on HDMI.

At the Digital-Coax or the Digital-Optical-Out everything is ok.

What can I do.

Thanks for help!!

Sorry about my bad english.

Marc

Hi,

Make sure that HDMI audio is enabled and not off in the menus for each input used in the VP50. I think by default the hdmi audio is off on all inputs.

Regards,

kostas

Hi kostas,

I have select for every HDMI-Source in the Input-Menu Audio "HDMI".

Then I have audio on SPDIF-Out but not on HDMI-Out.

Is there another Menu-Point that I must change.

Thanks for help!!!

Marc

Hi kostas,

I have select for every HDMI-Source in the Input-Menu Audio "HDMI".

Then I have audio on SPDIF-Out but not on HDMI-Out.

Is there another Menu-Point that I must change.

Thanks for help!!!

Marc
Many displays will not accept anything but 2 channel stereo inputs and you may get no audio then if you are sending dd5.1 over HDMI for example.

Hi dlm10541,

yes I know this, but if I connected the HDMI Cable directly from the HD-Sat-Box
to the LCD I have audio!

I don´t know what I can do.

Sombode has an idea?

Marc

Many displays will not accept anything but 2 channel stereo inputs and you may get no audio then if you are sending dd5.1 over HDMI for example.

Yes this sounds like your issue.

When the HDMI source is wired to the display the display tells the source it only takes stereo and the source only sends stereo but when the HDMI source is wired to the VP50 the VP50 tells the source it can do 5.1 so the source sends 5.1.

This is by design so that you can get 5.1 thru the VP50 (for delay) and then into an Amp (either via Coax/Opti or HDMI) which can play it even if the HDMI display you use refuses to.

Try looking in the Source settings to see if you can force it to only send Stereo (but you'll loose 5.1 when using an Amp unless to change it back).

The VP50 has no hardware in it that can do anything other then delay what comes in before sending it out audio wise, so cannot convert 5.1 to stereo.

Hi ailean,

thanks for your answer.

I will test it.

Marc

there e' nobody here that it has the PS3 and a pj full hd ?
with 24p "pure" in, as I can to exit from the vp-50 to 48Hz or 72Hz without using the pulldown 3:2 50/60HZ?
directed mine pj to the ps3 24p it visualizes the 48hz correctly, through vp-50 not

Hello,

i have a problem with HDMI-Audio-Out at my VP50:

If i connected my source (Sat-Box with HDMI-Out) directly with
HDMI to my Samsung LCD everything ist OK - I have Audio.

If i connected the Sat-Box with HDMI to the VP50 and then with HDMI
to the Samsung LCD i have no Audio!

If i connected my SDI-DVD-Player with SPDIF-Audio-Out to the VP50
and then with HDMI to my Samsung LCD (LE46-M86) i have no Audio.

It seems, the VP50 don´t have Audio-Out on HDMI.

At the Digital-Coax or the Digital-Optical-Out everything is ok.

What can I do.

Thanks for help!!

Sorry about my bad english.

Marc

I had this issue with my PS3. I just could not figure out why my Citaton 5.0 audio system would not change to DD or DTS using HDMI form PS3 in to my VP-50 and toslink out to the Citaiton. It all comes down to something as simple as a radio button or check mark telling one of the sources in your loop to only accept a max freq range. For me, everything on the PS3 audio output above 96 was unchecked....Suddenly, DD from Resistance Fall of Man...All is good with the world....

there e' nobody here that it has the PS3 and a pj full hd ?
with 24p "pure" in, as I can to exit from the vp-50 to 48Hz or 72Hz without using the pulldown 3:2 50/60HZ?
directed mine pj to the ps3 24p it visualizes the 48hz correctly, through vp-50 not

If I read your comment correctly, allowing my PS3 to output 1080p/24 for Blu-Ray movies into my VP-50 and output 1080P/60 to my Sony Pearl does not work. I have tried changing the output to other frame rates, locked and unlocked and I can get it to work, but not worth the struggle. I have a tremendous picture 1080P/60 in and out. All is good with the world.

If I read your comment correctly, allowing my PS3 to output 1080p/24 for Blu-Ray movies into my VP-50 and output 1080P/60 to my Sony Pearl does not work. I have tried changing the output to other frame rates, locked and unlocked and I can get it to work, but not worth the struggle. I have a tremendous picture 1080P/60 in and out. All is good with the world.

if it connects the Pearl directed to the PS3, he that refresh rate apply? if mistake the Pearl have a refresh rate of 96Hz, therefore is sure that the vp-50 not is in a position to managing the 24p clean.
it does not make anger the thing you? to what it serves this scaler if not e' in a position to managing material hd 24p? indeed ruining it applying the 3:2 60Hz

if it connects the Pearl directed to the PS3, he that refresh rate apply? if mistake the Pearl have a refresh rate of 96Hz, therefore is sure that the vp-50 not is in a position to managing the 24p clean.
it does not make anger the thing you? to what it serves this scaler if not e' in a position to managing material hd 24p? indeed ruining it applying the 3:2 60Hz

The only way that you can get 24p in and 24p out is using the VP50 at 23.98 unlocked - it does introduce some hiccups. In my opinion, the cleanest picture is 24p from the PS3 and 60p from the VP50. It looks better than the 60p output from the PS3. Pick your poison - judder with 60p, or occasional stutter with 24p from the VP50. Anyways, I do think ABT/DVDO is working on the problem.

The only way that you can get 24p in and 24p out is using the VP50 at 23.98 unlocked - it does introduce some hiccups. In my opinion, the cleanest picture is 24p from the PS3 and 60p from the VP50. It looks better than the 60p output from the PS3. Pick your poison - judder with 60p, or occasional stutter with 24p from the VP50. Anyways, I do think ABT/DVDO is working on the problem.

Thanks cal87,

but with the 24p (forced) from the ps3, is not possible to exit to 60hz from the vp-50, but only with 1080i from ps3. this machine born for hd it does not have nobody features working with hd material.
they must before resolve the problems on the vp-50 (already sold) instead of release new models

What would be the point of sending 24p into the VP50 getting out 60Hz ? There's absolutely nothing wrong with any player's 3:2 pulldown output. If you want to output 60Hz from your VP50, you can easily send 60p into it in the first place.

I'm currently feeding 1080p24, and getting 768p48 from the VP50's output. Works like a charm.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=444830

so sorry to have to ask again, I posted on the thread you mentioned and read through the entire thing.. gasp...

Long story short, that thread is dead as a doornail..

Can someone just please let me know if they have ever seen these Moire patterns on their "old" HD+..

DVDO has unfortunately been of no help.. I call their support desk and it's like, give us $300 to breath in your general direction.. blah blah..

I am doing the FW update tonight, and hopefully something will be corrected..

I can't say my DVDO purchase was one of the best since I have only watched like 20 movies on it [yeah, I should use my rig more often] due to my crazy work life.

If I have a $1500 doorstop I am calling my insurance company because this really sucks hard.

Thanks for reading,
F.

What would be the point of sending 24p into the VP50 getting out 60Hz ? There's absolutely nothing wrong with any player's 3:2 pulldown output. If you want to output 60Hz from your VP50, you can easily send 60p into it in the first place.

I'm currently feeding 1080p24, and getting 768p48 from the VP50's output. Works like a charm.


There is no point.....I was responding to a previous post regarding 24 frames plus bringing to light that the DVDO motto "anything in - anything out" may not be exactly the case in every situation. My general personal preference is 1080P/60 in and out. I think it's very smooth and suits me fine....

What would be the point of sending 24p into the VP50 getting out 60Hz ? There's absolutely nothing wrong with any player's 3:2 pulldown output. If you want to output 60Hz from your VP50, you can easily send 60p into it in the first place.
Actually there is a problem with most players because of intermediate interlaced steps in the processing. See this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=808958&highlight=mission) thread.

I have had no problems with the PS3 sending out 24p (doesn't even have to be forced). I have no problem then outputing 1080p60 from the VP50. I am not sure why this is not working for you.

I agree that theoretically, letting the PS3 output 1080p60 should be the same. However, it looks better to me when the PS3 does 24p and the VP50 converts it to 60p. 60i to 24p locked works, 60p to 24p locked works, 24p to 24p locked does not work, 24p to 23.98 unlocked works. (This is for me going into the RS1)

Icaro, doesn't the Pearl accept 48p? You might try this from the VP50.

Ditto.... If you can send it 1080P/ 48, try it. I'm doing that with my PS3 and Panasonic 1000U. Looks wonderful.

What would be the point of sending 24p into the VP50 getting out 60Hz ? There's absolutely nothing wrong with any player's 3:2 pulldown output. If you want to output 60Hz from your VP50, you can easily send 60p into it in the first place.

I'm currently feeding 1080p24, and getting 768p48 from the VP50's output. Works like a charm.

There is no point, i have a Blackwing II (full hd), that it applies with 24p the just refresh rate of 48Hz, and not the false 60Hz, but this if step through the vp-50 not is possible, why he applies pull-down the 3:2 60Hz
I want to enter in the vp-50 to 24p (pure) and exiting to 24p 48Hz

Actually there is a problem with most players because of intermediate interlaced steps in the processing

The PS3, with the last fw it does not apply nobody intermediate interlaced,
but it extracts the 24p pure

Ditto.... If you can send it 1080P/ 48, try it. I'm doing that with my PS3 and Panasonic 1000U. Looks wonderful.

you can explain like making to me, I do not succeed to us, which are your setting?

you can explain like making to me, I do not succeed to us, which are your setting?

Set up the PS3 with firmware 1.9 installed, to output 1080P/24. There are now three choices 1) on 2) auto 3) off. Select ON. Next, go into the DVD playback settings tab and make sure you have 1080P output enabled.

Set up the VP-50 output. Set Frame Rate to – 24 > 48 Locked …….set format to – 1080P / 24. Set color space to 4.4.4 ……. Set input deinterlace to 2.3 lock (this will help when the BR disks go in and out of the menus)

Did I forget anything guys?

Set up the PS3 with firmware 1.9 installed, to output 1080P/24. There are now three choices 1) on 2) auto 3) off. Select ON. Next, go into the DVD playback settings tab and make sure you have 1080P output enabled.

Set up the VP-50 output. Set Frame Rate to – 24 > 48 Locked …….set format to – 1080P / 24. Set color space to 4.4.4 ……. Set input deinterlace to 2.3 lock (this will help when the BR disks go in and out of the menus)

Did I forget anything guys?

thanks mdrew,

I have tried your settings but nothing,
at set up Frame rate to - 24 > the 48Hz they are extinguished and not selectable,
at set format the 1080p24 they are extinguished and not selectable,
where is the "Set input deinterlace to 2.3 lock"? perhaps you refer to the 3:2 forced?
the only option that I can select is the color space to 4.4.4
why is always thus?

you can insert the visualization on screen "Info" of the vp-50 here?
in order to understand better

I'll write the settings down better next time I turn the HT on.

You have to set up the framrate before the VP will let you set up the format. Maybe that's why you can't change anything.

I'll write the settings down better next time I turn the HT on.

You have to set up the framrate before the VP will let you set up the format. Maybe that's why you can't change anything.

how?
I have tried also before without null connected, but nothing,
I've still the fw 1.04 beta, but I have read that the public is identical, perhaps this?

I have installed the fw 1.04 public, but nothing same thing,
Frame rate to - 24 > the 48Hz and format the 1080p24
always they are extinguished and never selectable
also I have made the hard reset of vp-50 but nothing.
in shielded of Info it appears:

Imput Status

Video source: HDMI 1 (HDCP)
Signal type: 1080p-24Hz, RGB
Audio source: Off
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Full frame

OutputStatus (digital)

Resolution: 720x480p, RGB
Frame rate: 59,94Hz (Locked)
Line rate: 31.468Khz
Pixel rate: 27.000Mhz
Aspect ratio:16:9 Full frame

:(

You have to change the Frame Rate first. The VP will not let you change format until the Frame Rate is changed. Most everything other than 1080P/60 will be grey.

1) Go to Frame Rate. 60 > 48
2) Go to Format. All should be available for selection now. Select 1080P/24
3) Go to Color Space. Select 4.4.4
4) Go to Input Adjust. Select “Forced 3:2”


Now when you have a 1080P/24 input feed from the PS3, you should be able to go into the Frame Rate screen. Select 24 > 48

See if that works.

You have to change the Frame Rate first. The VP will not let you change format until the Frame Rate is changed. Most everything other than 1080P/60 will be grey.

1) Go to Frame Rate. 60 > 48
2) Go to Format. All should be available for selection now. Select 1080P/24
3) Go to Color Space. Select 4.4.4
4) Go to Input Adjust. Select “Forced 3:2”


Now when you have a 1080P/24 input feed from the PS3, you should be able to go into the Frame Rate screen. Select 24 > 48

See if that works.

the problem is just the first action:

"1) Go to Frame Rate. 60 > 48"
48 is gray and not selectable

you can bring back yours Info screen?

another doubt:
you have tried the PS3 directed to the pj? it would not have to be better, with little processes? there are differences?

theoretically it would not be better the 24p native extracted from the disc to send them directly to the pj without ulterior elaborations?

theoretically it would not be better the 24p native extracted from the disc to send them directly to the pj without ulterior elaborations?

Perhaps - as long as you don't need any of the VP50's capabilities - if you don't need to adjust porch, image shift, or even such mundane items as saturation, brightness, etc....

no to mention lipsynch.

btw, framerate shouldn't be grayed out - do it as mdrew says, (as well as many others before him) and it will work.

I 've heard DVDO will release new VP50 plus version.
Cost is $500 plus then VP50.
Is there any more information?.

I 've heard DVDO will release new VP50 plus version.
Cost is $500 plus then VP50.
Is there any more information?.
I would love to see separate per input RGB gamma controls - AND that they would come with finer control steps than the current single RGB adjustment on the VP50. If they intend to provide this enhancement on the VP50 Pro (and even if they don't :D )I'm also hoping that maybe DVDO will release this FW on the current VP50 and that the HDSDI plug-in module (slated for the VP50 Pro I gather) will be useable on the VP50 as well. Any words on this Josh (of DVDO)?.

I'm also hoping that maybe DVDO will release this FW on the current VP50 and that the HDSDI plug-in module (slated for the VP50 Pro I gather) will be useable on the VP50 as well. Any words on this Josh (of DVDO)?.


Why would DVDO allow us to update our current VP50s when they can charge us again to upgrade to the VP50 Pro??

I think you are asking a little much. :rolleyes:

So far with all of the upgrades I think I have over $5000.00 in my VP50.

As a side note: I have noticed that if my VP50 looses power and indicates a serious error the picture quality is OUTSTANDING. I mean it is sooo much crisper and sharper and CLEAN.

I've tried restoring factory default settings and then readjusting my settings, but cannot get that really clean output that comes whenever the thing resets itself after an abrupt power loss.

Anybody have an idea what is going on?

Just curious.

ed

I've also noted that when I do a firmware update the picture is really clean too. Until it has run for a while, then it starts to loose it's crisp quality.

BTW, I use an isolated elect. panel and line conditioning on all of my components FWIW.

IVP50 and that the HDSDI plug-in module (slated for the VP50 Pro I gather) will be useable on the VP50 as well. Any words on this Josh (of DVDO)?.

I am 99% sure that at some point a hdsdi card was made for the vp50. My guess is its the same card so if the software allows it it should work. Unless ofcourse they redesigned the hdsdi board in some way after that.

Daniel.

Why would DVDO allow us to update our current VP50s when they can charge us again to upgrade to the VP50 Pro??

I think you are asking a little much. :rolleyes:

Note that I am not speaking with any inside knowledge about such a hypothetical scenario when I say this, however I will point out that when DVDO released the iScan HD+ they did allow iScan HD owners the option of a board-level upgrade for a much reduced cost.

Whether that would be possible for a future (as yet unannounced) product or whether DVDO would even want to do it again, I have no idea.

I have a xbox 360/HDDVD combo that outputs 1080p 60. I am trying the vp50 to output 1080p 24 to mr RS1 projector. I used 23.97 unlocked and locked modes, but it is causing picture irregularities forcing me to change the vp50 output to 1080p 60 which works fine.
I would like the vp50 to output 1080p 24 to the projector. I did not change the format, input adjust in my previous attempts. I have the latest 1.04 software update. What all changes I need to make for the vp50 to output 1080p 24.
Thanks in advance

I guess that this would make it official...

http://www.cepro.com/article/dvdos_vp50_pro_is_first_video_processor_with_thx_certificati on/

"Mosquito Noise reduction"...?


Scott.................. :D

...I will point out that when DVDO released the iScan HD+ they did allow iScan HD owners the option of a board-level upgrade for a much reduced cost.

.


Don't get me wrong, I'll probably pay again to upgrade to the VP50 pro like I did for the

HD

to the HD+

to the VP30

to the VP30 w/103card

to the VP30 w/card plus sdi input

to the VP50 w/sdi...




In for a penny in for a pound



ing

:D

I guess that this would make it official...

http://www.cepro.com/article/dvdos_vp50_pro_is_first_video_processor_with_thx_certificati on/

"Mosquito Noise reduction"...?


Scott.................. :D

Had to laugh about the quick retraction on THX certification - deja vu!

Had to laugh about the quick retraction on THX certification - deja vu!
Yes, I got a kick out of that as well. :D

Does anyone really care about THX anymore?

Why would DVDO allow us to update our current VP50s when they can charge us again to upgrade to the VP50 Pro??
I think you are asking a little much.

you are well?
Why I have paid it 3000K only four months ago!


So far with all of the upgrades I think I have over $5000.00 in my VP50.

Never gone to work?

I guess that this would make it official...
http://www.cepro.com/article/dvdos_vp50_pro_is_first_video_processor_with_thx_certificati on/
"Mosquito Noise reduction"...?
Scott.................. :D

Here is the info on the VP50 Pro on the Anchor Bay website:
http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/systems/vp50pro.php

Does anyone really care about THX anymore?
I personally don't care, it was just interesting to see a feature mentioned and then retracted much like it was when the VP50 came out.

I personally don't care, it was just interesting to see a feature mentioned and then retracted much like it was when the VP50 came out.

I agree it's ironic and funny, but whooptiedoo, they paid to get THX certification which will be passed onto the consumer for no benefit. I bet the original VP50 would have fulfilled THX requirements if they submitted it. I find it more to be a marketing ploy than something of value to the end-user.

So where is Josh with the upgrade program details on going from VP50 to VP50 Pro?

I bet the original VP50 would have fulfilled THX requirements if they submitted it.

That would be a losing bet...

That would be a losing bet...
So I'm guessing it was submitted but didn't pass? I remember an upgraded face-plate was talked about with the THX logo on it at the time. Or did you guys decide not to submit it afterall?

I find it more to be a marketing ploy than something of value to the end-user.

sadly you couldn't be more wrong :(

-Gary

Josh@dvdo; Now that the new product has been released, can you comment on ABT\DVDOs plans for the VP50 (non-pro)? It still needs a firmware update! If you could fix the 1080p24 input\output issues and also improve the 3:2 pulldown reversal most VP50 users will be very happy. Please do not force us to upgrade the VP50 Pro to get these features. They have all be announced for the VP50 and should be working...

sadly you couldn't be more wrong :(

-Gary

Then explain to me, all wisest of wise, why I or any other end-user cares about the THX logo on the front panel.

Then explain to me, all wisest of wise, why I or any other end-user cares about the THX logo on the front panel.

sorry I can't ;)

-Gary

sorry I can't ;)

-Gary

why am I not surprised.

Josh@dvdo; Now that the new product has been released, can you comment on ABT\DVDOs plans for the VP50 (non-pro)? It still needs a firmware update! If you could fix the 1080p24 input\output issues and also improve the 3:2 pulldown reversal most VP50 users will be very happy. Please do not force us to upgrade the VP50 Pro to get these features. They have all be announced for the VP50 and should be working...


Ditto.

Josh??

That would be a losing bet...

it lives!!!!

Just when we were getting our pitchforks sharpened. :p

NDA

-Gary

NDA

-Gary

now that's pretty cool - NDA, as to why anyone would want THX cert? Or even why it didn't pass? (if it didn't pass, I'd have to bet some of our non-existent audio bugs would be to blame. :))

But really Gary, if a device passes signal without audio degradation, full frequency, seriously, why would THX matter?

(or not just Gary - does anyone have a real reason?)

And you have greatly surprised me, Josh. I would have bet along with anyone else that the VP50 was of sufficient build quality to pass THX.

Jon, the THX certification is not just about audio ;)

I can't say anymore on the THX stuff concering either unit, 50 or 50pro, if I could, you guys know I would :)

-Gary

THX has been working on other things: http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6197696.html?tag=ne.vid

Josh@dvdo; Now that the new product has been released, can you comment on ABT\DVDOs plans for the VP50 (non-pro)? It still needs a firmware update! If you could fix the 1080p24 input\output issues and also improve the 3:2 pulldown reversal most VP50 users will be very happy. Please do not force us to upgrade the VP50 Pro to get these features. They have all be announced for the VP50 and should be working...


Ditto.

Josh??


Yes, please do tell.

Josh@dvdo; Now that the new product has been released, can you comment on ABT\DVDOs plans for the VP50 (non-pro)? It still needs a firmware update! If you could fix the 1080p24 input\output issues and also improve the 3:2 pulldown reversal most VP50 users will be very happy.

We will address the 24p issue in the VP50 after the release of the VP50PRO.

Jon, the THX certification is not just about audio ;)

I can't say anymore on the THX stuff concering either unit, 50 or 50plus, if I could, you guys know I would :)

-Gary

Not to be a jerk, but, would you just keep your comments to yourself if you can't back them up? You've offered no reason why THX certification should factor into our upgrade or purchase decisions. Whether it be an NDA or just because you simply don't know the answer, I could do without the 'I know but I'm not telling' tongue-in-cheek responses.

We will address the 24p issue in the VP50 after the release of the VP50PRO.


Thanks. Many will be waiting with great interest for that.

Does this mean that the 24p issue is already fixed in the Pro version?

THX has been working on other things: http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6197696.html?tag=ne.vid

Hmm, automatic aspect ratio detection would be a very cool thing to have.

--Andre

In for a penny in for a pound
:D
I usually feel that way too, Ed. But if I'm reading the ABT web site correctly, it's $1500 pounds, well, dollars actually. Not this time for me.

Mike

THX has been working on other things: http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6197696.html?tag=ne.vid

Anyone notice the menu on the display when they are talking about aspect ratio detection. Sure looked a lot like the VP50 menu. :)

Has everyone seen Jason's AVS offer...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=889988

Take this over to ABT and I think a VP50 tradeup to the Pro will be a Grand...

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/upgrades/dvdo.php

Did I do the math correctly?

Scott....................... :)

Has everyone seen Jason's AVS offer...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=889988

Take this over to ABT and I think a VP50 tradeup to the Pro will be a Grand...

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/upgrades/dvdo.php

Did I do the math correctly?

Scott....................... :)

Looks correct to me!

Not to be a jerk, but, would you just keep your comments to yourself if you can't back them up? You've offered no reason why THX certification should factor into our upgrade or purchase decisions. Whether it be an NDA or just because you simply don't know the answer, I could do without the 'I know but I'm not telling' tongue-in-cheek responses.

I just wanted to answer you to let you know that you were incorrect, please forgive me that I can't say more, thats just the way it is ;)

-Gary

We will address the 24p issue in the VP50 after the release of the VP50PRO.


It's a little funny how this feature was advertised in the VP50 and now we have to wait for our fix until after the VP50Pro gets this right. Going after new customers before taking care of current, loyal customers really does not make sense to me, especially when this was an original selling point of the VP50.

Maybe Im not looking at this right, but Im a little upset to say the least. I guess they want to dangle a few enhancements to all the unhappy VP50 owners to upgrade before they fix it, so another grand, after trade in, can be sucked out of us. I'm not biting.

Im in no way upset that the VP50 cannot be upgraded via firmware for these "new" features....I just want what was advertised during the VP50 launch to actually work before they start serenading new customers with the Pro version.

It's a little funny how this feature was advertised in the VP50 and now we have to wait for our fix until after the VP50Pro gets this right. Going after new customers before taking care of current, loyal customers really does not make sense to me, especially when this was an original selling point of the VP50.

Maybe Im not looking at this right, but Im a little upset to say the least. I guess they want to dangle a few enhancements to all the unhappy VP50 owners to upgrade before they fix it, so another grand, after trade in, can be sucked out of us. I'm not biting.

Im in no way upset that the VP50 cannot be upgraded via firmware for these "new" features....I just want what was advertised during the VP50 launch to actually work before they start serenading new customers with the Pro version.

I agree. This is not a responsible way for a company to act.

I just wanted to answer you to let you know that you were incorrect, please forgive me that I can't say more, thats just the way it is ;)

-Gary
Then don't say anything. What is the point of your posts?

Then don't say anything. What is the point of your posts?

the point of my post is that Magnus wasn't correct, I thought that was clear

I guess I should ask from now on, do you want what little info and insight I can give under a NDA or do you want nothing at all? :rolleyes:

I guess it's the later :o

-Gary

It's a little funny how this feature was advertised in the VP50 and now we have to wait for our fix until after the VP50Pro gets this right. Going after new customers before taking care of current, loyal customers really does not make sense to me, especially when this was an original selling point of the VP50.

Maybe Im not looking at this right, but Im a little upset to say the least. I guess they want to dangle a few enhancements to all the unhappy VP50 owners to upgrade before they fix it, so another grand, after trade in, can be sucked out of us. I'm not biting.

Im in no way upset that the VP50 cannot be upgraded via firmware for these "new" features....I just want what was advertised during the VP50 launch to actually work before they start serenading new customers with the Pro version.Well, as for me, I'm a LOT upset. I've already waited this long, so I can certainly withhold acting on my feelings a little longer, at least until I see the next firmware release (which a few people here seem to have "hinted" may include long-promised features and fixes). But I've gone from hopeful, to increasingly skeptical, to downright pissed off at the dwindling prospect of ever seeing all the features (particularly noise reduction) that were advertised for the VP50. Now that the glorious New! Improved! VP50 PRO is nearly upon us, making all the same promises and more, I think the prospect of paying for a $1500 "upgrade" TO GET WHAT I WAS TOLD I WAS ORIGINALLY BUYING IN THE VP50 is pretty obscene. :mad:

--John

the point of my post is that Magnus wasn't correct, I thought that was clear

I guess I should ask from now on, do you want what little info and insight I can give under a NDA or do you want nothing at all? :rolleyes:

I guess it's the later :o

-Gary

Yes

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably pay again to upgrade to the VP50 pro like I did for the

HD

to the HD+

to the VP30

to the VP30 w/103card

to the VP30 w/card plus sdi input

to the VP50 w/sdi...




In for a penny in for a pound



ing

:D


You too huh? :D

It's a little funny how this feature was advertised in the VP50 and now we have to wait for our fix until after the VP50Pro gets this right. Going after new customers before taking care of current, loyal customers really does not make sense to me, especially when this was an original selling point of the VP50.

Maybe Im not looking at this right, but Im a little upset to say the least. I guess they want to dangle a few enhancements to all the unhappy VP50 owners to upgrade before they fix it, so another grand, after trade in, can be sucked out of us. I'm not biting.

Im in no way upset that the VP50 cannot be upgraded via firmware for these "new" features....I just want what was advertised during the VP50 launch to actually work before they start serenading new customers with the Pro version.

Well basically they did the same thing with the VP30, even though the VP50 did offer some good features. But the problems in the VP30 weren't corrected when the 50 came out.

Anyway, why would I think the VP50pro will work correctly with everything? The VP50 had almost the same audio issues as the VP30 did. I have no reason to believe all issues with 1080p/24 have been resolved with the Pro.

The upgrade price is too high also, even with the AVS deal. I guess that deal does at least make it somewhat reasonable, but not by much. The VP30 listed for a $1000 less, but the upgrade price was only $100 more than they want for the Pro. Again, not counting the AVS deal.

Well, its a new product for new customers, but doubt I get involved with it. NR and edge enhancement are good if done correctly. HDMI 1.3 don't do much if anything for me though.

But considering the fact 1080p/24 doesn't work right for me yet no matter what I do, no way I'd trust the pro to work correctly with everything either. Heck for that matter the shift won't even save correctly using a profile, that problem goes back forever.

Heck for that matter the shift won't even save correctly using a profile, that problem goes back forever.

oh this issue is still there... ? I had this problem in the Vp30 time...

oh this issue is still there... ? I had this problem in the Vp30 time...

And it was reported many times.

Anyhow so what about the international users ? How do we upgrade and get the same changes to a reduced price like the avs deal?. I hope you will solve it the same way as you did with the vp50 since that would still be a 900 euro upgrade and sounds steep to me for the new features.

Also its unclear if the old sdi card will work since the new one is a dual header ?. Thats not included in the price as well ?

Daniel.

I think it's fairly certain from the way the VP series has gone that;

The VP50Pro will feature most of the bugs still in the VP50, VP30 and VP20
Any new features in the VP50Pro (whether promised/advertised from the VP50 or not :) ) will contain bugs which will live for up to 12 months, at least.
Any fixes for existing bugs in older models will now be delayed for at least 3 months and probably 6 months for ones we want.
Features advertised in the VP30, which still haven't appeared even in the VP50 and are advertised in the VP50 Pro will probably never appear/work.
Oh and I see the VP50 Pro comes WITH rack mounts! Oh yeah... where are the Rack Mounts and USB-Serial adapter that were advertised for my VP50 and are STILL listed in the packing list in the online manual??? :(


Still at least we now all know for certain that some things we have been waiting for on the VP50 will never appear, HDSDI, NR, EE etc.

And come Aug 2008 we may have some bug fixes for the VP50 along with an announcement of the VP70, with 2 HDMI outputs and promises of all the features/bug fixes that all the VP50 Pro owners are screaming about at the time. ;)

Oh and yes the VP70 will be the first VP to feature a THX Ultra 2 Plus badge. :cool:

I gave them a 2nd chance with the VP50 after being suckered by the AVS trade in for my VP30 but sorry not again, with the international markup and having to trade-in my SDI card for something a lot more expensive just to get what I have now and a certain bug full year a head.... no, no thanks.

NR would be nice for some broadcast stuff, but not £1000 ($2000) worth at this time. I shall keep the VP50 for now till the new Lumagen reaches a good enough feature state, at least there I'll know what the road map is before I pay. :eek:

I hope the noise reduction makes it way down to the VP50 .... I will be sorely dissapointed if it doesn't ......

I too went through the HD, HD+, VP30, ABT102 board and now the VP50 ..... I don't want to pay $1k for NR ..... if the VP50 has enough processing power, why not let it do NR? ARGGHHHHH Frustrated .....

same as above really .... if NR is not included in the VP50, I will be looking elsewhere for my next VP...... or maybe not bother with one at all ... just get a high end amp and live with the shortcomings of it....