I am not given the option to - only Audio 1/2/3/4/Stereo options exist as audio is supposed to be carried on the HDMI input.

Marc

It says HDMI in my audio input menu....

It says HDMI in my audio input menu....

I'll look again. Thanks. ;)

Marc

I recently had a day where all my audio (stereo and HDMI) were not working through the VP50, the next day everything was working, but this past Sat night was an exercise in frustration as I reset the unit to factory and still could not get any sound. The next morning my g/f turns everything on and I hear the Food channel from the living room!

I wonder if anyone else has had all the audio disappear only to reappear as well. And yes, I'm running 1.06.

-Splints

It says HDMI in my audio input menu....

Yup. Found it.

It was greyed out until I powered up the Blu-Ray then it let me select it.

Thanks.

Marc
p.s. now where is that "hang my head in shame" smiley. ;)

They offer upconvert , but for us with VP50s its useless. We can turn it off and set our ouput resolutions.


http://newteevee.com/2007/12/15/six-steps-to-get-more-hd-from-your-scientific-atlanta-set-top-box/


When all resolutions are allowed to be transmitted to the HDTV, the display must deal with them and convert the signal to the display resolution. In your case, I believe your display is in 1080p. So if you switch from a 1080i channel to a 720p channel, your TV must convert the 720p to 1080p and, during the transition, you get an annoying black screen followed by a rain of color dots for a second then the channel gets displayed. If you tune back to a 1080i channel, this process starts all over. When you get the SA8300HD to do the conversion, you eliminate this nonsense.

As for "Set Picture Format":

When using HDMI, you get a choice of HDMI/DVI Auto, Upconvert 1 and Upconvert 2. Assuming you have configured all 4 resolutions in Setup and in the following order (last one in SD/HD gets to be the default): 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i, then,

HDMI/DVI Auto: the SA8300HD delivers the resolution that it receives and your display must convert.

Upconvert 1: The SA8300HD converts 480i to 480p which it then delivers, when tuned to a SD channel, and converts a 720p HD channel to 1080i and transmits this and the signal of 1080i channels to your TV in 1080i resolution.

Upconvert 2: The SA8300HD converts 480i to 480p which it then delivers, when tuned to a SD channel, and converts a 1080i channel to 720p and transmits this and the signal of a 720p channel to your TV in 720p resolution.

Note: When configuring 480i and 480p in Setup, one must decide between "Normal" or "Wide". If your TV can stretch a SD image, the TV usually does a better job and therefore one would configure "Normal" in Setup.

I have never seen Comcast give out SA boxes in MA. I have a Motorola box and so do all my friends and family that have them.

im having the same problem with audio loss using hdmi.

Im watching an HD channel and start flipping through and i notice i lost sound. Im like what the heck just happened. I turn off the vp50 and turn it back on, Fixed. Something is up. Not the first time this happened. Using 1.6 software



HD box ---> vp50 ----> denon 4306 ---> jvc hd70fh96 HDMI


I hope this gets a fix

quick question , is it ok to leave the deinterlacing for all devices in AUTO mode. Or should i choose specifics.... Like video mode for comcast dvr box.

xbox 360 ----which game mode? 1 or 2 is best? i have a 1080i input display




i also i have my vp50 output at ycbcr 422 , my display accepts this. Is this the better choice out of RGB 444. Thanx Chris

jvc hd70fh96

May I ask those of you in this thread how your VP50 handles a 480i/576i signal from
STB's and sat boxes?
The reason I ask is because I have trialed the following

1)My old 52inch LG and samsung HD STB at 576i and 1080i
picture is great with both.

then I tried,

2)My samsung HD STB 576i&1080i> VP50 at1080i>52" LG
Picture is smeared and blocky in places in both resolutions.

Then I tried,at 1080i and 1080p

My recently new Sony 60" in place of the LG and in the same sequence as above and I got the same results.

And then my new dvr(native res and the resolutions as above)and still got the same results.

Now it could be easy to say that its the broadcasters(and bad mpeg compression) but I dont beleive thats so,when I can walk into the next room and the SD PQ is really good(great,no smearing or blocking and great detail, for SD anyway)

I have tried this out for some time(I did not want to post until I was sure) and in both senario's,the VP50 seems to be the bad link for SD free to air (this also is not firmware related as it happened before and after updates)

Can anyone enlighten me as to why the VP seems to incorporate(or highlight might be more appropriate) this degredation in these situations?

I have calibrated my tv as of late(I thought that might have something to do with it but
thats not the case)to near perfect contrast and brightness.

Please note that this is only a problem with 576i/p from STB's,but is not a problem with the STB itself,more to the way the VP handles the signal.

If anyone needs more info,let me know!
and like I said, any enlightenment would be most appreciated

i bought the VP50 hoping that it would make my SD channels look almost HD.
my cable box delivers 480i over hdmi for standard def. and 1080i for high def.
The standard def looks alittle better but what i was hoping for. I thought the difference would be like what my denon 3930ci DVD player did to DVDs. That was awsome. But all in all , it does look alittle better. I think with the lack of Mosquito Noise Reduction ,Fine Detail Enhancement ,and Edge Enhancement our VP50s cant make ST look as good as it can get. I kinda wish i went with the VP50 pro now or radiance XD but i know that those two VPs are having issues still.

What do u guys think? What mode are u guys using for deinterlacing ST and HD from the cable company?

The difference is 480i SD from cable/satellite is more highly compressed than 480i DVD and can not be made to look as good.

First I will point out that Im not complaining, this is merely a question.

I use video mode or forced 2.2 for 576p,
Prep
and do try others to see the differing results,but these seem to be the best(film gaves same as video)

but as stated in my post in both setups,that SD looks great(no smearing/blocking) on these setups without the VP.
Gary,
I do agree that it would not get the PQ of free to air, to look nearly as good as dvd,
However,I was just comparing the PQ with and without the VP in these setups of free to air and found it was degrading the PQ by smearing and/or blockiness.

I am at the moment,waiting for my AVspecialist to get some things organised(he's just been installing( or setting up) D-box(in which I will try out tomorrow) and see if he can replicate this himself(with my VP and another VP50),thus bringing a solid conlusion to if this is infact normal.

As stated I have tried this on two seperate tv's with the exact same results

In terms of PQ of with or without the VP50, if you have great SD with no VP in the chain, then there is no reason to have a VP.
If you want AR control, switching, and excellent de-interlacing, the VP50 is for you.
If you want to tweak PQ to gain the most out of a signal, then you need another VP...the VP50 won't help you much.

understood.

But it is very well needed,as a hub and mostly for my dvd players and gaming consoles in which it works flawlessly.

the part the VP plays is most important i.e better picture controls,underscan,overscan etc,the versitility of this is product makes it a must have(in my opinion)for people that want the best PQ(for the most part anyhow, lol)

As I said, this was just an observation,( relying on the Sony's tv for processing,doesnt cut it) and one I got curious about

Thanks for the replies to this,I was not expecting too much from the VP when it comes to SD anyway,but was intrigued with my findings

What mode are u guys using for deinterlacing ST and HD from the cable company?

Algolith Mosquito.

Marc

The algolith mosquito looks very promising. Marc ,are u using it just for sd and hd coming from cable? Because of the compression. What do u use the vp50 for.

The algolith is expensive too. $3000.00 Is it a night and day difference?

The algolith mosquito looks very promising. Marc ,are u using it just for sd and hd coming from cable? Because of the compression. What do u use the vp50 for.

The algolith is expensive too. $3000.00 Is it a night and day difference?

I'm using a very good combination of the Onkyo 905 amp (with Reon Scaler) and the VP50 .... the compressed cable and bad SD gets a little cleaner with the Reon ... on really bad sources, you can't really improve much and the deinterlacer in the reon is very good, but not quite as good as the DVDO ....

with good sources, clean movies, etc... there is little, if any difference in PQ between the 905 and the DVDO .... making the DVDO somewhat redundant.. unless you want the PQ adjusts only an external processor can have.....

The algolith mosquito looks very promising. Marc ,are u using it just for sd and hd coming from cable? Because of the compression. What do u use the vp50 for.

The algolith is expensive too. $3000.00 Is it a night and day difference?

I traded up from a Mosquito from a Flea to get more inputs (rather than buy another HDMI Flea). There is no appreciable difference between the PQ of a Flea and a Mosquito.

I have HD BEV on component cables (as sound via HDMI was erratic) at 1080i and an Oppo 980H on HDMI at 480p with PreP. A Sony S500 Blu-Ray also outputs 1080i via HDMI. The VP50 upscales 1080i to 1080p better than the Blu-Ray. It all runs via HDMI at 1080p to a Sony 40W3000 with a Yahama AV receiver connected via Toslink for surround sound duties.

All inputs run in to the Mosquito for NR then into the VP50 for upscaling (and PreP for the Oppo). The VP50 also handles all the video switching as well as puts audio on the HDMI output running into the Sony display so we can watch the TV without the surround sound (SWMBO prefers it this way).

The difference with a Mosquito is not `night and day`but even my wife notices the difference if I turn it off, more so for SD than for HD. With SD, it is source dependant - it makes a noticeable difference to PQ with the Oppo but less so for BEV (but this is channel dependant too - GIGO).

Like the VP50, the difference is subtle yet very real and while not a necessary piece of gear, it certainly adds to the experience of watching TV, especially SD.

Marc

Do you really need the FLEA for BD and HD DVD? I using a Flea for my broadcast sources from two HDTiVos(I use a switch to go between the two on one of the Flea inputs) and an FIOS HD STB. But I find I don't need any NR for BD or HD DVD. I used to run everything into the VP50 before I go the VP50pro. My initial plan was to get rid of the FLEA once I got the VP50pro but the pro doesn't have the Flea capabilities for NR so I needed to keep the Flea in my setup for the broadcast sources.

I traded up from a Mosquito from a Flea to get more inputs (rather than buy another HDMI Flea). There is no appreciable difference between the PQ of a Flea and a Mosquito.

I have HD BEV on component cables (as sound via HDMI was erratic) at 1080i and an Oppo 980H on HDMI at 480p with PreP. A Sony S500 Blu-Ray also outputs 1080i via HDMI. The VP50 upscales it de-interlaces it - after it has interlacet it:confused:1080i to 1080p better than the Blu-Ray If you send 1080P from the player - it dos´nt tuch the signal at all = better. It all runs via HDMI at 1080p to a Sony 40W3000 with a Yahama AV receiver connected via Toslink for surround sound duties.

All inputs run in to the Mosquito for NR then into the VP50 for upscaling (and PreP for the Oppo). The VP50 also handles all the video switching as well as puts audio on the HDMI output running into the Sony display so we can watch the TV without the surround sound (SWMBO prefers it this way).

The difference with a Mosquito is not `night and day`but even my wife notices the difference if I turn it off, more so for SD than for HD. With SD, it is source dependant - it makes a noticeable difference to PQ with the Oppo but less so for BEV (but this is channel dependant too - GIGO).

Like the VP50, the difference is subtle yet very real and while not a necessary piece of gear, it certainly adds to the experience of watching TV, especially SD.

Marc

Hi Marc

Why don´t you send 1080P/24 from the S500 to the VP50 and then 1080P/24 again to the 40W3000 ? - that should give you the best result/ picture - no need for the de-interlaceing and framerate konverting of the raw signal from the blue ray disk ( on blueray, movies is 1080P/24 from the start )

Or is it because that the Mosquito dos´nt take 1080P in ?
again maybe the Mosquito it is not needed with the pure raw signal from the disk ?
Maybe worth a try ?

i have a device hooked up component video in1 and analog stereo in. now when i go into input settings and choose stereo i dont get any sound through the hdmi. Did i do something wrong? is there another setting i need to do?
hdmi audio in to hdmi audio out works fine. thanx Chris

Why don´t you send 1080P/24 from the S500 to the VP50 and then 1080P/24 again to the 40W3000?

I was under the impression that Blu-Ray movies are encoded as either 720p, 1080i or 1080p and that decision is up to the movie producers/directors/studios. 1080p is the maxium resolution of the Blu-Ray format but not necessarily the only resolution - kind of like saying that movies are either full frame or wide-screen - they can be either.

I chose 1080i as by direct viewing with my thus-far limited Blu-Ray library, most movies appeared to have better PQ when output from the Blu-Ray at that resolution. I would suspect it is because the Blu-Ray is better at down-converting the occasional true 1080p to 1080i than upconverting 1080i to 1080p.

True, the times I come across a movie truly recorded in 1080p format, it probably would look better in native 1080p format. Not many movies appear to be in 1080p/24 format according to the S500 (when I access the info screen to see what format is "Direct").

...on Blu-ray, movies are 1080P/24 from the start...

I don't think that is necessarily correct (see above).

Marc

Can anyone name a HD DVD movie that is not 1080p/24? I think not.

I was under the impression that Blu-Ray movies are encoded as either 720p, 1080i or 1080p and that decision is up to the movie producers/directors/studios. 1080p is the maxium resolution of the Blu-Ray format but not necessarily the only resolution - kind of like saying that movies are either full frame or wide-screen - they can be either. Your right Marc, that it is up to the movie producers/directors/studios - but allmost all movies ARE 1080P/24. I have not seen any movie shot in 720P or 1080i ever ( but I have not seen them all :o ) - only game´s have I seen in 720P, I think that some tv and dukomentaries are filmed with videocameras at 1080i/50hz or 60 hz
I chose 1080i as by direct viewing with my thus-far limited Blu-Ray library, most movies appeared to have better PQ when output from the Blu-Ray at that resolution. I would suspect it is because the Blu-Ray is better at down-converting the occasional true 1080p to 1080i than upconverting 1080i to 1080p. If it looks better with 1080i out in your setup, then of cause you should use that:) thats the reel test, but blue ray movies are not " occasional true 1080p" they are allmost all true 1080P/24 - therefore I would have believet, that you would have get better result with that signal !? ( but as said before, if it look better IRL with 1080i in your setup - then I was wrong in my believing :o
True, the times I come across a movie truly recorded in 1080p format, it probably would look better in native 1080p format. Not many movies appear to be in 1080p/24 format according to the S500 (when I access the info screen to see what format is "Direct").

that are the strange thing - they are, dont know why your S500 dont show it :confused:



I don't think that is necessarily correct (see above).

Marc


(see above).
dj

Can anyone name a HD DVD movie that is not 1080p/24? I think not.

Hi Gary J

Have you seen any blue ray movie that is not 1080P/24 ?
Has anybody else ?

dj

I'm still unable to duplicate the tearing problem you're seeing, even when using the output aspect ratio you are and with a variety of input aspect ratios. I don't have the exact 1080p24 sources you do, though, although I wouldn't think that's the problem. Have you had a chance to recheck things with your projector?

- Dale Adams

Remember this from a few months back?

It seems that the Sony VPL-VW50 projector is causing the problem and not the DVDO VP50\Pro at all. Others are reporting the same problem:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12573292

I can confirm this with my setup. I do not believe the DVDO is to blame anymore. That is good news for DVDO owners!

Hi Gary J

Have you seen any blue ray movie that is not 1080P/24 ?
Has anybody else ?

dj

I think we said the same thing -

HD DVD = Blu-ray or HD-DVD

Can anyone name a HD DVD movie that is not 1080p/24? I think not.


I have over a dozen titles between both formats that are in 1080i but they are not movies.

According to the BD spec, ALL movies must be in 1080/24p on the disk.
There are a few concert or TV shows on BD that are in 1080i.
This is because they were originally shot at 30hz or 60hz (video mode).
And, naturally, there isn't a good reason to convert these to 24hz (film mode).

I think we said the same thing -

HD DVD = Blu-ray or HD-DVD

ohh, yes:o - sorry...it was late :p

merry christmas to all


dj

I have over a dozen titles between both formats that are in 1080i but they are not movies.

So the point is there is no reason for Marc Shaw to interlace his movies which are 1080p.

exactly !

But it is a little strange that Marc´s picture seems better with 1080i
I think that the S500 maybe is forced into konversion off the signal because it maybe not can see a compatible 1080P/24 souce in the other end off the HDMI ( the Mosquito ? ) and therefore default to another output resolution and therefore somehow spoil the signal a little.

Marc S.
Have you tried to connect the S500 direct to the W3000 ? - who is 1080P/24 compatible - just to see how it behave (1080i/60 versus 1080p/24?) - ( it should then confirm the 1080p/24 output in the info of the S500 )

Remember this from a few months back?

It seems that the Sony VPL-VW50 projector is causing the problem and not the DVDO VP50\Pro at all. Others are reporting the same problem:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12573292

I can confirm this with my setup. I do not believe the DVDO is to blame anymore. That is good news for DVDO owners!

Yes, thanks for the follow up info , NORLL

Do you have snow i Norway now ? ( nice for Christmas :) - we dont :mad:

dj

I have just updated from v1.05b to v1.06b firmware on my VP50, and then reinstated all previous settings. However I have noticed that the menu graphic is falling slightly outside the active frame on the left side, causing half of the first character of text in each line of the menu not being displayed. The "info" graphic is however appearing in its correct position. I haven't found anywhere else in this forum a similar problem being reported, so I assume there is a setting somewhere that I need to adjust to shift the menu graphic to the right (rather than there being a problem with the latest firmware).

Any assistance from esteemed forum members here would be appreciated.

I have just updated from v1.05b to v1.06b firmware on my VP50, and then reinstated all previous settings. However I have noticed that the menu graphic is falling slightly outside the active frame on the left side, causing half of the first character of text in each line of the menu not being displayed. The "info" graphic is however appearing in its correct position. I haven't found anywhere else in this forum a similar problem being reported, so I assume there is a setting somewhere that I need to adjust to shift the menu graphic to the right (rather than there being a problem with the latest firmware).

Any assistance from esteemed forum members here would be appreciated.

overscan or zoom settings perhaps?

Hi,

Is it possible to put my vp50 away and control it via rs232 or is its serial port only for software updates?

Many thanks,
Bhsuan.

Hi,

Is it possible to put my vp50 away and control it via rs232 or is its serial port only for software updates?

Many thanks,
Bhsuan.


RS232 control is possible and works rather well. The DVDO website has a pdf with the control codes.
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Axel

The Charmed Quark Controller (CQC) has inbuilt VPxx drivers for serial control of the VP30/50. It works. I am not aware of a Crestron module for the VP line, although I'm getting a quote to have one written.

I have noticed as of late that the menu navigation is a bit sluggish. Also the curtain opens/closes not smoothly. Occasionally all is well but I have not been able to put my finger under what exact conditions this is the case.

F/W 1.06B
I did a h/w reset without success.
I moved it outside my AV rack because I was suspecting interference from other components - no change.
It happens through IR and RS232 (all my other AV components respond fine).
PQ/AQ is fine.Any ideas?
Thanks!
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Axel

Yes, thanks for the follow up info , NORLL

Do you have snow i Norway now ? ( nice for Christmas :) - we dont :mad:

dj

Well, I made the switch to the DVDO VP50 Pro. With the new 1.02 firmware I am fairly happy with it and I no longer miss the VP50 (non-pro). I not believe there is not much difference with regards to picture quality, although the noise reduction is nice to have. I also like the fine detail enhancement for low quality broadcasts (we only have SD in Norway).

When I use 48Hz output to the VPL-VW50 I do not get the tearing so the issue is only with 1080p24 input on this projector.

There is snow in parts of the country, but alas not on the west coast. There usually is not very much, so I am used to it... :) Happy new year to all AVS users!

Well, I made the switch to the DVDO VP50 Pro. With the new 1.02 firmware I am fairly happy with it and I no longer miss the VP50 (non-pro). I not believe there is not much difference with regards to picture quality, although the noise reduction is nice to have. I also like the fine detail enhancement for low quality broadcasts (we only have SD in Norway).

NORLL, do you find that the difference Vp50/50Pro was it worth the upgrade ? - here in Skandinavia these toys are very expensive :mad: ( a VP50Pro around 5000 dollar :eek:)

When I use 48Hz output to the VPL-VW50 I do not get the tearing so the issue is only with 1080p24 input on this projector.
Have you made a comparison off the VW50 with and without the processor/scaler - and how "big" ( know it is subjektivt :o) do you find the difference ? ( for my own part I need the VP, because I have a CRT-projector

There is snow in parts of the country, but alas not on the west coast. There usually is not very much, so I am used to it... :) Happy new year to all AVS users!

Yes, Happy new year to all !

dj

For many people I do not think the difference between the VP50 and the VP50 Pro is worth the upgrade. Some features are nice to have, but they count only as extras. The overall picture quality is still the same. That being said the following could shift the balance for me;

If I could get the thing ISF calibrated the ISF settings would be important. At the moment I do not use it though. Also the new RGB gain\bias settings are nice. Owning the newest piece of equipment is also important to me, because of second hand value but also because HDMI specs. usually means improved stability. I only use HDMI in my setup so this is important for me.

I think I would have bought the upgrade a second time if I had to make that choice again.

I use a 2,35:1 setup with a fixed anamorphic lens. This means that I have to use an advanced video processor. This is the most important reason for my investment. I do not think there is a great improvement on the picure quality compared to running the video directly to the VW50 projector (lets say 85% of max quality). De-interlacing is better with the VP50, so if you watch a lot of broadcasts this might be important. If your main video comes from high quality DVD's, HD-DVDs or Blu-rays I do not think the video processor is worth the fuss. The prices here a quite high, so I would run the video directly to the projector if I did not need the vertical and horizontal stretch modes. It is important to keep in mind that you can get a lot of good equipment for the same price as the VP50\Pro.

If you do not use an anamorphic lens and mostly watch HD-DVD and Blu-ray at 1080p24, you certainly do not need a videoprocessor with the VPL-VW50 projector. That is my opinion anyway.

Edit: Happy new year everyone!

If your main video comes from high quality DVDs, HD-DVDs or Blu-rays I do not think the video processor is worth the fuss.

I do not see how you can say that with 480i DVDs or the PAL equivalent.

Thanks NORRL for your opinion.

dj

I have just updated from v1.05b to v1.06b firmware on my VP50, and then reinstated all previous settings. However I have noticed that the menu graphic is falling slightly outside the active frame on the left side, causing half of the first character of text in each line of the menu not being displayed. The "info" graphic is however appearing in its correct position. I haven't found anywhere else in this forum a similar problem being reported, so I assume there is a setting somewhere that I need to adjust to shift the menu graphic to the right (rather than there being a problem with the latest firmware).

Any assistance from esteemed forum members here would be appreciated.

Can anyone throw some light on this...Gary?? It's not zoom or overscan settings, these are the same now as they were with 1.04 and 1.05b. The picture is being framed correctly, but the menu GUI is being shunted to the left, the info GIU is not being shunted to the left.

Are you sure about the picture being framed correctly? I'd wager that you have active picture to the left that is not being displayed - not if the menu is pushed over the edge.

what are you using for a display? if its a crt, should just be a matter of H-shift, or H-sync. Probably the same with a panel, but I've not worked much with my 50 and a panel; however, prolly still the case.

Shouldn't be a big deal - just a matter of the timing settings perhaps being different from the old ones you were using (different defaults, perhaps?) - or maybe even a different refresh rate. For sure, I see the same behavior on my crt when I switch from 60 to 72hz refresh. With my crt, I just tweak shift and blanking on the crt itself; tho you should be able to do the same with the VP50.

I have noticed as of late that the menu navigation is a bit sluggish. Also the curtain opens/closes not smoothly. Occasionally all is well but I have not been able to put my finger under what exact conditions this is the case.
F/W 1.06B
I did a h/w reset without success.
I moved it outside my AV rack because I was suspecting interference from other components - no change.
It happens through IR and RS232 (all my other AV components respond fine).
PQ/AQ is fine.Any ideas?
Thanks!
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Axel

Humble bump!!:)

Anybody, please??
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Axel

I have no more audio through HDMI output.....:mad:
I am running FW 1.06

Anybody can help

Thank you

I have no more audio through HDMI output.....:mad:
I am running FW 1.06

Anybody can help

Thank you

rtfm

read that f****** manual:D

rtfm

read that f****** manual:D


Could you explain more if the solution is there.......Thank you:)
Because the sound was working properly during 9 month and stopped since yesterday, without change any setting, while video is still going on.

Could you explain more if the solution is there.......Thank you:)
Because the sound was working properly during 9 month and stopped since yesterday, without change any setting, while video is still going on.

output settings for the choice whitch output to use.

For those that are interested, our complete automation document which covers both Serial and IR for all VPx0 products is now available:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/pdf/GeneralVPxxIR-SerialControlDocument.pdf

For those that are interested, our complete automation document which covers both Serial and IR for all VPx0 products is now available:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/docs/pdf/GeneralVPxxIR-SerialControlDocument.pdf

Thanks Josh! I was using the VP30 pdf for the RS232 commands till now (but was also working well).



Any chance you could comment on the 'sluggish menu/curtain' issue I posted here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12628749#post12628749)? :)
TIA!!

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Axel

Any chance you could comment on the 'sluggish menu/curtain' issue I posted here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12628749#post12628749)? :)
TIA!!


I have not experienced it myself in my own configurations, although I am using VP50PROs in those configurations. I will try a VP50 in my configuration tonight to see if I can replicate this issue and I will ask our technical support team to do the same.

output settings for the choice whitch output to use.

I think it's correctly set to HDMI...........:rolleyes: So...........

I have not experienced it myself in my own configurations, although I am using VP50PROs in those configurations. I will try a VP50 in my configuration tonight to see if I can replicate this issue and I will ask our technical support team to do the same.

Appreciated!
Looking forward to hearing back from you guys!
Please let me know if you need anything else at this time.
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Axel

ive been having audio drop outs aswell. Mostly on digital cable box channels. No drop outs from 2-99 analog , only 100 -200 plus digital. My only quick fix is to hit the help button on the harmony which resets everything. It works but its annoying. I hope they will fix this and some of the other issues because i dont expect to get a VP50 PRO, which alot of their time is going to it seems.

Dont forget about us VP50 owners Josh. We still need love.:D

I have no more audio through HDMI output.....:mad:
I am running FW 1.06

Anybody can help

Thank you

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yeah - cuz everything that can go wrong with this has, especially hdmi and audio. best bet is to do what has been posted here over and over - switch inputs, then put your hdmi cable into another hdmi input, if that doesn't work, unplug VP50. If that doesn't work, dreaded reset, or worst case, reinstall firmware.

Somewhere in that list, just be sure your cable is good, and that settings on your pre/pro haven't been changed by gremlins.

For me - can usually fix things by switching from HDMI1 to component, then back. I just got a moto hd cable box over Christmas, so I am now rediscovering the funkiness of hdmi devices. For me, the video is usually good, but audio is often absent upon when I power on the cable box; or the VP50; switching the VP, or powering on the cable box - one or the other has worked for me so far.

But no on is giving you a definitive solution cuz there isn't one. DVDO and hdmi devices communicate and coexist on a purely adhoc basis. With most of the fault to be placed upon HDCP's doorstep.

DVD upconverted to 1080i looks amazingly good using the vp50. However the nintendo wii upconverted does not. Why? I have it hooked up component video and outputs hdmi. I see lots of jaggies. Any ideas? Settings?

DVD upconverted to 1080i looks amazingly good using the vp50. However the nintendo wii upconverted does not. Why? I have it hooked up component video and outputs hdmi. I see lots of jaggies. Any ideas? Settings?

What is doing the de-interlacing?

the vp50 is doing the deinterlacing

i dont know if you guys know this , but fiddling with the settings on the PS3 playback of SD DVDs we are able to use 2 different forms of noise reduction. And we can adjust the intensity from off , 1 , 2 , 3. I use 2 on both types and with the VP50 doing the deinterlacing , IT looks alot better. While watching the DVD you can access it right from the controler i think by hiting the triangle button. No noise reduction for bluray playback ,

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yeah - cuz everything that can go wrong with this has, especially hdmi and audio. best bet is to do what has been posted here over and over - switch inputs, then put your hdmi cable into another hdmi input, if that doesn't work, unplug VP50. If that doesn't work, dreaded reset, or worst case, reinstall firmware.

Somewhere in that list, just be sure your cable is good, and that settings on your pre/pro haven't been changed by gremlins.

For me - can usually fix things by switching from HDMI1 to component, then back. .

I tried all that but no way to recover the sound.........:mad:

When I go to "Pass Through" and select "on" to see the difference in the picture, then select "off" I do not get my video signal back just audio. I have to disconnect power to reset. This is on HDMI inputs with my HR20 & HR10 Sat. receivers not with my SD DVD or Bluray. All inputs are HDMI. Anyone else having this problem.
The reason I'm playing with this is that I'm trying to justify my purchase seeing that my display is a new Pioneer Elite KURO 60". I'm just not sure it is improving my picture all that much.

I just installed one to output to my Kuro 60" elite. I set it to ouput 1080p/60. I plugged in my HD-DVD player (Onyko) and set the player to ouput 1080p/24. The darn scanner gives me a green light (can't handle the input) and a blue screen. To actually get video, I had to go back to HD player and set it to 1080i out and then as suggested I went with the forced 3:2.

I then hook up the coax cables for digital audio and get nothing. Yes, I assigned the audio output to match the hdmi input number. So video not as they say and no audio yet. Any suggestions???

Just updated the VP50 from 1.00 to 1.06 last night ( not good with a pc - but it went very smooth......nice ) but I see small issuses:

My setup: from Metz DE-81 (Pioneer 717 klon ) via SDI 480i/576i to VP50 to Marquee 8000 ( 8" CRT) via RGBHV. I have a PS3 too, but have not testet it yet with the new firmware.

1: trying to set borders - they jump from 0 to 10 to 150 to 300 ... big steps ! and then they "lock" and can not be set back to 0.
To overrule that, I have to select a other profile - go into it and then set the border back to 0..
It is not a big problem, because I normaly dont use the borders, but it did work correct in 1.00

2: Adjusted with DVE - PAL version, input 576i ( output 1366x768P/50 locked ) everything is fine, but when I put a DVD reg 1 - AVIA - input 480i , in the player, it dosnt´ regonize the 480i ! the info shows that it still see the input as 576i !? and therefore the picture collaps/ lossing sync
My quick workaround - to get the picture stabil, i have to manuel select 50 hz - unlock 59,94 ( 60 hz ) in output setup
This did work correct in version 1.00 too

Have others seen this problems ? or im doing something wrong here ?

Later today I will try with the PS3 , to see if the VP50 can regonize the different signals from it ( 480i/576i/720p/1080i ) via component. ( by the way, looking forward to test the 3:2 forced mode :-) have had some minor stutter with version 1.00 in auto/filmbias mode with BR )

Or maybe i should try the 1.04 version insted ? version 1.06 is after all still a beta version.

dj

What is doing the de-interlacing?

I checked to see what deinterlacing option it is on and found that its not highlighted. I cannot choose a method of deinterlacing. Why? Is this a glitch. If I click info it shows 480i in through component video and output 1080i though hdmi 422 59hz locked any ideas?

the vp50 is doing the deinterlacing

So which is it? What does 422 mean?

Ycbcr 4:2:2 10bit. The vp is before the reciever and that upcomvert is set to off. Why wouldn't I beable to select a deinerlacing method ?

I have it hooked up component video and outputs hdmi.

HDCP

component video in on the vp50, output hdmi on the vp50. Hdcp affects this?

YES (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdcp)

i thought component video doesnt carry HDCP , im confused

Can't have HDMI anywhere in the chain if using component. You need to study up on it.

then why would they offer 2 Composite
(NTSC/PAL/SECAM)
2 S-Video
(NTSC/PAL/SECAM)
2 Component
(YPbPr or RGB/S) processes 480i/p-60, 576i/p-50, 720p-50/60, 1080i-50/60

then why would they offer ...

for all of us with analog displays (RGBHV crt projectors.:p) which is why I started using VPs in the first place.

for all of us with analog displays (RGBHV crt projectors.:p) which is why I started using VPs in the first place.

Plus analog input devices. :p

Can't have HDMI anywhere in the chain if using component..That's not true at all. What is true is that, if there's HDCP on the HDMI connection, then everything downstream of the first HDMI link also has to be HDMI. Everything upstream can be non-HDCP (DVI or HDMI) or analog.

- Dale Adams

I checked to see what deinterlacing option it is on and found that its not highlighted. I cannot choose a method of deinterlacing. Why? Is this a glitch. If I click info it shows 480i in through component video and output 1080i though hdmi 422 59hz locked any ideas?Odd. I don't see that behavior on my VP50 at all. If the input is really 480i then all the deinterlacing options should be available. What firmware version are you running? Do you see this behavior only with the Wii?

- Dale Adams

Yea , it seems odd to me too. im running latest version 1.06 , and i see this only on the Wii since its my only analog input.

Just updated the VP50 from 1.00 to 1.06 last night ( not good with a pc - but it went very smooth......nice ) but I see small issuses:

My setup: from Metz DE-81 (Pioneer 717 klon ) via SDI 480i/576i to VP50 to Marquee 8000 ( 8" CRT) via RGBHV. I have a PS3 too, but have not testet it yet with the new firmware.
Now I have testet it, and the PS3/VP50 do it correct and the VP50 can see the two different input ( 480i/576i) - so it has to bee the signal from the dvd-player . It´s funny, if I first set the input to a input where there are a 480i signal ( PS3 ) and then go to the dvd-input(the metz on the component 1)with a 480i dvd - then it correctly go to regonize the 480i input and everything is fine. But if I first go to the dvd input, without going to any other input first ( with a 480i signal on ) - then it cant regonize the 480i input but see it as a 576i.
Can you manuelly change the input from 576i to 480i without a signal or if it regonize it wrong ? . ( I dont thinks so ! ...but im been wrong before:D ) - but the bottom line is probely, that the VP50 version 1.06 do the job correct - and that it is my player who dos something strange/wrong with its ( SDI) output

1: trying to set borders - they jump from 0 to 10 to 150 to 300 ... big steps ! and then they "lock" and can not be set back to 0.
To overrule that, I have to select a other profile - go into it and then set the border back to 0..
It is not a big problem, because I normaly dont use the borders, but it did work correct in 1.00
Haven´t testet this more for now - "I be back":cool:

2: Adjusted with DVE - PAL version, input 576i ( output 1366x768P/50 locked ) everything is fine, but when I put a DVD reg 1 - AVIA - input 480i , in the player, it dosnt´ regonize the 480i ! the info shows that it still see the input as 576i !? and therefore the picture collaps/ lossing sync
My quick workaround - to get the picture stabil, i have to manuel select 50 hz - unlock 59,94 ( 60 hz ) in output setup
This did work correct in version 1.00 too - that was not 100% correct:o - in version 1.00 it did the opposite ( lock to 480i, and i then had to select a other input with a 576i signal on - ex. PAL VCR - and go back to the dvd input, and THEN it regonize the input as 576i...........:confused:


dj

dj again:)

Yea , it seems odd to me too. im running latest version 1.06 , and i see this only on the Wii since its my only analog input.

Hi Baddgsx

Haven´t seen that - but I can test/ check the de-interlacing modes availble with a PS3 480i signal............testing:p.............no, all modes are availbly except the "field scale"

dj

For Josh@DVDO: When I was speaking with DVDO technical support in late December I was told that there would be an upcoming "production software" release based on the v1.06 for the VP50, likely before the end of the year. I see that this occurred for the VP50Pro (12/31/07), but nothing new has been posted for the VP50. Can you provide any reasonable date for release of the VP50 new "production software"? Thanks!

I like fixes. I hope they hold truth to that. Gooooo dvdo!!!!!

Hello all,
i tired to update the firmware on my VP50 to the 1.06 beta, it got an error shortly into the transfer and now i seem to be locked out of my VP50 because it doesnt have a valid firmware. It just says "Loading...ERR. Press any button" and keeps saying that again if press a button. How can I force it to load a new firmware file so i can restore it?? I tried holding down menu and exit buttons to reset.
thanks.

actually, nevermind my last post..i figured it out, i needed to clear the buffer and reset the terminal also.

Hello all,
i tired to update the firmware on my VP50 to the 1.06 beta, it got an error shortly into the transfer and now i seem to be locked out of my VP50 because it doesnt have a valid firmware. It just says "Loading...ERR. Press any button" and keeps saying that again if press a button. How can I force it to load a new firmware file so i can restore it?? I tried holding down menu and exit buttons to reset.
thanks.

Make an hard reset.......Wait 20mn........or more; unplug and plug the unit.
Load again 1.06 firmware. ;)

Any word on a new version of firmware that allows disabling the Progressive Cadence Detection Logic?

First of all, I'm still running FW 1.04, so this might actually be firmware related.

When I input 480i60 (NTSC movie DVD via SDI) and output 1080p24 I get a 99,9% flawless conversion while in the movie. When I go the extras though and watch a video-based interview I would expect jerky playback, but not tearing. In some cases that's what I get, but more and more often the picture shows serious tearing (approx. 1/3 of the screen height from the bottom).

When I use Auto or film-biased deinterlacing instead of forced 3:2 I get occasional tearing within the movie as well. Especially when the movie cuts from a very dark to a very light scene I notice that the lower third of the screen seems to be one (output)-frame late.

Has anybody noticed the same prior to updating to 1.06 ? And was the issue resolved with the update ? Of course I understand that 1080p24 output is not ideal for video-based extras, but for a few minutes here and their I don't really want to change the output profile.

Tobias

Josh
.....
Any chance you could comment on the 'sluggish menu/curtain' issue I posted here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12628749#post12628749)? :)
TIA!!

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Axel

I have not experienced it myself in my own configurations, although I am using VP50PROs in those configurations. I will try a VP50 in my configuration tonight to see if I can replicate this issue and I will ask our technical support team to do the same.

Josh;
I was wondering if you and/or your tech support team had made any progress or needed any further information from me to help resolve the issue.

TIA!
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Axel

Can I ask,Anyone

I ask this question because I have seen no mention of this,and am curious.(at present ,I cant try this myself)
If I connect an anolog audio source(lets just say I connect a vcr) to the VP,what happens to the audio,by this I mean
is it somehow converted to digital and output through coax,optical or HDMI?


Thanks for any replies in advance

is it somehow converted to digital and output through coax,optical or HDMI?





Yes......through coax optical and hdmi..........;)

There are one feature I would like to have on the VP50 - cant´ be make to automatically detect the input format and then set it correct in the output - but still have the possiblety to manuel overrule/set a other in/out format if you wish !?

It can be a pain in the a... because there are still a lot off 4:3 broadcast and some off the dvd´s have 4:3 menu´s and then 16:9 film - and you have to change the format everytime ( I know, its a small problem :-) but then it should be easy to fix or not ( Dale / Josh ) ? ....anyway its on my wishlist

BTW has anybody had the same problem with the "VP50 having problem" ( it is probely the dvd player´s fault ! ) to regonize 480i via SDI in ( it get stock in 576i input mode ) - until I have selectet a other 480i input first ( in my setup - component 1 by a PS3 ) ??


dj

thanks nicolasz,

It is the only thing I have never seen no mention on.

Can anyone tell me what the correct shipping address is for repair work.

Is it

DVDO BY ANCHOR BAY TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
300 Orchard City Drive, MS 131
CAMPBELL, CALIFORNIA 95008

or is it the address in Los Getos?

I'd call but their closed already.

Thanks in Advance

Can anyone tell me what the correct shipping address is for repair work.

Is it

DVDO BY ANCHOR BAY TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
300 Orchard City Drive, MS 131
CAMPBELL, CALIFORNIA 95008

or is it the address in Los Getos?

I'd call but their closed already.

Thanks in Advance

The address is Campbell is our old location.

The correct address is:

Anchor Bay Technologies
983 University Avenue, Building A
Los Gatos, CA 95032

Thank You

There are one feature I would like to have on the VP50 - cant´ be make to automatically detect the input format and then set it correct in the output - but still have the possiblety to manuel overrule/set a other in/out format if you wish !?

It can be a pain in the a... because there are still a lot off 4:3 broadcast and some off the dvd´s have 4:3 menu´s and then 16:9 film - and you have to change the format everytime ( I know, its a small problem :-) but then it should be easy to fix or not ( Dale / Josh ) ? ....anyway its on my wishlist

BTW has anybody had the same problem with the "VP50 having problem" ( it is probely the dvd player´s fault ! ) to regonize 480i via SDI in ( it get stock in 576i input mode ) - until I have selectet a other 480i input first ( in my setup - component 1 by a PS3 ) ??


dj

On a simular note, I would love it if the when the VP50 detected 24p input it would auto-switch to 24p output and then when the input switched to 60p, automatically switch back to 60p output.

This would be great for the PS3.

this is weird , i cant access anymore the deinterlacing tab on any of my inputs , 3 hdmi inputs and a component input. Any ideas? The picture looks good on all the sources. Is there an auto setting for deinterlacing that i might have switched on by accident? I think looked everywhere on other tabs and found nothing.



WEIRD!!!

On a simular note, I would love it if the when the VP50 detected 24p input it would auto-switch to 24p output and then when the input switched to 60p, automatically switch back to 60p output.

This would be great for the PS3.

With the 1.06 Beta software you should be able to achieve this. At Framerate, fixed the output framerate at 24 for 24fps input and similarly 60 for 60fps input.

Yoong

With the 1.06 Beta software you should be able to achieve this. At Framerate, fixed the output framerate at 24 for 24fps input and similarly 60 for 60fps input.

Yoong

Thanks for the info. I'll update tonight. I hadn't seen any real compelling reason to update yet. Now I have it.

Thanks!

this is weird , i cant access anymore the deinterlacing tab on any of my inputs , 3 hdmi inputs and a component input. Any ideas? The picture looks good on all the sources. Is there an auto setting for deinterlacing that i might have switched on by accident? I think looked everywhere on other tabs and found nothing.



WEIRD!!!

What resolutions are your sources outputting? Is PReP available, or is it grayed out, in the menu?

On a simular note, I would love it if the when the VP50 detected 24p input it would auto-switch to 24p output and then when the input switched to 60p, automatically switch back to 60p output.

This would be great for the PS3.

The best way to set this up is to define two display profiles one with a 24Hz output (like 1080p-24) and one with a 60Hz output (like 1080p-60). Note that you do need to also choose the framerate that you would like output when a certain input frame rate is detected in Output Setup->Framerate menu.

For a 1080p-24 Output, you will want to change all settings to 24Hz (practically speaking, you will only need to change the 24Hz and 60Hz settings because you are probably not using 25Hz and 50Hz sources). Once you have defined the two profiles that you want to use change the Auto Display Profile feature to On. Finally, you will need to select your sources and force them to output all the resolutions that they support and then you can choose the display profile that you want them to use (either 24Hz or 60Hz). The next time you select that source, or that source outputs a specific resolution, the display profile that you paired with it will be automatically recalled.

What resolutions are your sources outputting? Is PReP available, or is it grayed out, in the menu?


Thanx Josh for the quick reply , Prep is Available only on one source the PS3 which is outputing HDMI at (1080p 60) RGB 4:4:4 for video , 1080p 24 ycbcr 4:4:4 for bluray movies and 480P 60 ycbcr 4:4:4 for SD DVD. I keep Prep off, but i can access it.

My 360 Elite is outputing HDMI 720P RGB 4:4:4 (cant access prep or deinterlace)

Wii is outputing , component video 480i


My display is set at 1080i 60 LOCKED ycbcr 4:2:2

@Josh

small extra question on the auto display feature. So by setting the Auto Profile function to ON the VP50 remembers which output profile was choosen on the particular input (+signal) just like it remembers a brightness setting for example, right ?

What happens when I switch to a input not used before or input a signal not used before ? Will the output profile default to something or will is stay with the last used profile ?

On the 50pro - with two setting profiles available for input (& signal) can I use different output profiles per setting profile or is it still one output profile per input (thinking about 480i to 1080p60 for video content and 480i to 1080p24 for film content) ???

Thanks!

Hello, Josh@DVDO! A few days ago I posted on this forum asking whether you had a somewhat reliable release date for the next VP50 production firmware download based on the v1.06 Beta, as in mid-December I had been told by DVDO technical support to expect it by the end of 2007. Since that didn't happen for the VP50 (but DID happen for the VP50Pro), I'm really hoping that you could provide a timeframe for release. I've been holding off downloading the Beta v1.06 as it doesn't retain prior settings, and am hoping that the next production download will remedy that shortcoming. Can you be of any help??? Thanks!

Hello, Josh@DVDO! A few days ago I posted on this forum asking whether you had a somewhat reliable release date for the next VP50 production firmware download based on the v1.06 Beta, as in mid-December I had been told by DVDO technical support to expect it by the end of 2007. Since that didn't happen for the VP50 (but DID happen for the VP50Pro), I'm really hoping that you could provide a timeframe for release. I've been holding off downloading the Beta v1.06 as it doesn't retain prior settings, and am hoping that the next production download will remedy that shortcoming. Can you be of any help??? Thanks!

We have no plans to add the ability to retain prior settings to the VP50 at this point. We have had no major bugs reported in v1.06 so it is likely that this version will be the next Production version (without any changes).

Thanx Josh for the quick reply , Prep is Available only on one source the PS3 which is outputing HDMI at (1080p 60) RGB 4:4:4 for video , 1080p 24 ycbcr 4:4:4 for bluray movies and 480P 60 ycbcr 4:4:4 for SD DVD. I keep Prep off, but i can access it.

This sounds normal.

My 360 Elite is outputing HDMI 720P RGB 4:4:4 (cant access prep or deinterlace)

Not being able to access the deinterlacing mode or PReP when the input format is 720p is normal as this is a progressive format and there is no 720i format.

Wii is outputing , component video 480i

Are you sure that the Wii isn't outputting 480p? This is the only case that doesn't sound normal.

Sluggish Menu Navigation and Curtain Movement

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Originally Posted by Axel http://images.avsforum.com/avs-images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12670639#post12670639)
Josh
.....
Any chance you could comment on the 'sluggish menu/curtain' issue I posted here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12628749#post12628749)? :)
TIA!!

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Axel

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Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo http://images.avsforum.com/avs-images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12670743#post12670743)
I have not experienced it myself in my own configurations, although I am using VP50PROs in those configurations. I will try a VP50 in my configuration tonight to see if I can replicate this issue and I will ask our technical support team to do the same.
Josh;
I was wondering if you and/or your tech support team had made any progress or needed any further information from me to help resolve the issue.

TIA!
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Axel


Josh;
Could you please advise how to best request DVDO's support/feedback on this matter? PM-ing or posting here does not seem to work well. Would it be better if I contacted DVDO Tech Support directly? If so, should I use phone or better email?

Thanks!
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Axel

This sounds normal.



Not being able to access the deinterlacing mode or PReP when the input format is 720p is normal as this is a progressive format and there is no 720i format.



Are you sure that the Wii isn't outputting 480p? This is the only case that doesn't sound normal.

maybe i do have the wii at 480p , and if the rest sound normal than thanks for clearing this up for me.

This is definetely a sweet processor , Bluray really shines on my jvc hdfh96, no more motion judder and it gave alittle extra clearity.

Josh;
Could you please advise how to best request DVDO's support/feedback on this matter? PM-ing or posting here does not seem to work well. Would it be better if I contacted DVDO Tech Support directly? If so, should I use phone or better email?

Thanks!
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Axel

It is always best to contact us directly for technical support on our products. This is not the DVDO Technical Support Forum, this is AVS Forum, and while you may get some support here from me and others you should only expect DVDO Technical Support when you contact us directly via email or phone.

Josh, what's the correct email for the Scalersupport ? I emailed the ABT support 'bout 10 days back, but didn't even receive back an acknowledgement email. It's minor problem so no problem - just wondering.

Josh, what's the correct email for the Scalersupport ? I emailed the ABT support 'bout 10 days back, but didn't even receive back an acknowledgement email. It's minor problem so no problem - just wondering.

The correct email address is help@anchorbaytech.com. If you are having any issues getting a response from our team just send me an email (Josh@anchorbaytech.com).

It is always best to contact us directly for technical support on our products. This is not the DVDO Technical Support Forum, this is AVS Forum, and while you may get some support here from me and others you should only expect DVDO Technical Support when you contact us directly via email or phone.

Josh;
Thanks for your clarification - that helped. I understand that this is not the official DVDO forum, I was only wondering since in early Jan you had replied in this thread that you would check as well as ask your technical support team to do the same.
In any case I am going to send an email to help@anchorbaytech.com as you suggested.

Again, thanks for your clarification.
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Axel

i have a lcd tv with a stated response time of 4ms. i have slight ghosting on SD broadcasting tv and ps3 video games. this thing upscales regular broadcasting right? so will this reduce motion blur/ghosting do u think anyone?

We have no plans to add the ability to retain prior settings to the VP50 at this point. We have had no major bugs reported in v1.06 so it is likely that this version will be the next Production version (without any changes).

Josh, thanks (as always) for your input. Is there any reason why the next VP50 production software won't be able to incorporate retaining prior settings? This feature was possible in prior firmware updates, as well as (I believe) in the most recent VP50Pro update. :confused: It would certainly save all of us a lot of (wasted) time, as well as avoiding potential errors in reconfiguring. Lastly, I was mostly interested in when we should expect the production release to be posted on the DVDO web site.

We have no plans to add the ability to retain prior settings to the VP50 at this point. We have had no major bugs reported in v1.06 so it is likely that this version will be the next Production version (without any changes).

This issue is still unresolved for me with v1.06
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12582563#post12582563

Josh, thanks (as always) for your input. Is there any reason why the next VP50 production software won't be able to incorporate retaining prior settings? This feature was possible in prior firmware updates, as well as (I believe) in the most recent VP50Pro update. :confused: It would certainly save all of us a lot of (wasted) time, as well as avoiding potential errors in reconfiguring. Lastly, I was mostly interested in when we should expect the production release to be posted on the DVDO web site.

Why ? if it is the same as the beta version ? :confused:then there are no meaning in to download it again !? or is there ? :)

dj

This issue is still unresolved for me with v1.06
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12582563#post12582563

What output settings are you using? Which display do you have?

Have you checked to make sure that the display is not in a different aspect ratio mode which is causing the menu to be cut-off?

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Why ? if it is the same as the beta version ? :confused:then there are no meaning in to download it again !? or is there ? :)

dj

Beta versions and Production versions, which have the same version number, are exactly the same.

Josh, thanks (as always) for your input. Is there any reason why the next VP50 production software won't be able to incorporate retaining prior settings? This feature was possible in prior firmware updates, as well as (I believe) in the most recent VP50Pro update. :confused:

"Software" versions really contain two parts, the software that controls the system and the hadware code that goes on the FPGAs. Some versions of VP50 "software" had the same FPGA code which meant that system settings were retained. The latest update to the VP50PRO allows settings to be retained in future updates, regardless of the changes to the software.

What output settings are you using? Which display do you have?

Have you checked to make sure that the display is not in a different aspect ratio mode which is causing the menu to be cut-off?

Thanks Josh, as follows:

BenQ PE8720, REAL mode (i.e. 1:1 timing)
VP50 output setup 720p/50, FR 50Hz locked, sync h+/v+, RGB, AR16:9, shift h0/v0, underscan 0.

v1.06: menu GUI left edge falls outside the active area (half of first character in drop down menu missing), info window correctly positioned;
v1.05 and below: menu GUI and info window both correctly positioned.
Suggest something has changed in the new firmware to cause this because projector and VP settings haven't changed.

Thanks Josh, as follows:

BenQ PE8720, REAL mode (i.e. 1:1 timing)
VP50 output setup 720p/50, FR 50Hz locked, sync h+/v+, RGB, AR16:9, shift h0/v0, underscan 0.

v1.06: menu GUI left edge falls outside the active area (half of first character in drop down menu missing), info window correctly positioned;
v1.05 and below: menu GUI and info window both correctly positioned.
Suggest something has changed in the new firmware to cause this because projector and VP settings haven't changed.

how does the geometry test pattern looks like, do you see the white line on all borders ?

Beta versions and Production versions, which have the same version number, are exactly the same.


that was what I was thinking
thank you for the confirmation, Josh:)

dj

Hi Josh

Now that I got your attention ;-) ( and anybody elses !?) have you seen or heard off this:
( first my stuff : from PS3 to VP50 via component and then RGBHV to 8" CRT projector /Marquee 8000 )

Normaly I use 1366 x 768P 48hz / 50 hz and 60 hz output - depending on the software - with a very good picture - but if I try to increase the framerate to 72 / 75 hz I get very many horisontale "distorted" lines in the image ( almost the hole picture ) , this is with both the version 1.00 and 1.06. and even if I go to output 720P or 1024x768P BUT it is only when the input from the PS3 is HD ( 1080i/60hz ) and in 16:9 output aspect, if I change it to 4:3, the distorsion goes away?? ( the picture get "cropped" or something/ but is clean and good ).

There are no problems with SD indput from the PS3

But the moment I swift to 72/75 hz 16:9 output, the distorsion come in the picture, if I go down to around 650 - 620 lines ( it can do 1024 x 576P 75hz 16:9 without any problem ) the "distorsions lines " begins to slowly disapear down to the bottom off the picture, and around 600 lines they are gone!!
I have tried to change the sync type, the front/back/sync etc. in the output format without any luck.

Maybe you or some one else has a good ide what is going wrong ??

TIA

dj

May be you are going beyond the projector's capabilities when you output 1366x768@72/75hz from the VP50 into your projector....

May be you are going beyond the projector's capabilities when you output 1366x768@72/75hz from the VP50 into your projector....

I have thought of that - but no, it can do 1080P/60hz with only a little softning off the picture - its around the same 100Mhz ( 1366x768P/72hz is around 108 Mhz - but eks. 1024x768P/72hz is "only" around 88 Mhz and there are still distorsion in 16:9 aspect ratio ).
BTW with output 4:3 aspect ratio in 1366x768P/72hz there are no picture problems !!?

But thanks for the suggestion, cinema mad :)

dj

I recientlys started using a vp-50 all audio is switched through the vp-50 its all digital coax and optical , when watching any one of the 3 sorces there is an ocasional audio drop out for about 2 to 3 seconds happends about three to four times a movie ,any ideas ?

Thanks Josh, as follows:

BenQ PE8720, REAL mode (i.e. 1:1 timing)
VP50 output setup 720p/50, FR 50Hz locked, sync h+/v+, RGB, AR16:9, shift h0/v0, underscan 0.

v1.06: menu GUI left edge falls outside the active area (half of first character in drop down menu missing), info window correctly positioned;
v1.05 and below: menu GUI and info window both correctly positioned.
Suggest something has changed in the new firmware to cause this because projector and VP settings haven't changed.

Can you please check to see if this is the case with all output resolutions (like 720p-60, 1080i-50, and 1080i-60) in your setup or just 720p-50?

I recientlys started using a vp-50 all audio is switched through the vp-50 its all digital coax and optical , when watching any one of the 3 sorces there is an ocasional audio drop out for about 2 to 3 seconds happends about three to four times a movie ,any ideas ?

Which software version does your VP50 have? You can press the 'Info' button on the remote control to find out.

I have thought of that - but no, it can do 1080P/60hz with only a little softning off the picture - its around the same 100Mhz ( 1366x768P/72hz is around 108 Mhz - but eks. 1024x768P/72hz is "only" around 88 Mhz and there are still distorsion in 16:9 aspect ratio ).
BTW with output 4:3 aspect ratio in 1366x768P/72hz there are no picture problems !!?

But thanks for the suggestion, cinema mad :)

dj

With a 1080i input signal, have you tried switching the deinterlacing mode to "Field Scale"?

From what you describe, it sounds like a down-scaling limitation. Switching the deinterlacing mode to Field Scale for 1080i input signals means that a 1920x540p signal (not 1920x1080p) signal will be sent to the scaler. If this eliminates this issue it will confirm where the limitation is.

it has the origional software in it , but i am afrade of the newest version with what people have been saying about it in here

it has the origional software in it , but i am afrade of the newest version with what people have been saying about it in here

There are known issues with the original version of software and audio dropouts. There are limited complaints about v1.06. What is making you afraid?

Can you please check to see if this is the case with all output resolutions (like 720p-60, 1080i-50, and 1080i-60) in your setup or just 720p-50?

Problem apparent only with v1.06 @ 720p-50. However. Then went back to basics and reloaded FW, checked settings and now the GUI menu is correctly positioned at all rez. Info window correctly positioned as before. So the gremlin is no more, v1.06 is good.

Thanks all for your feedback.

I have just upgraded to the 1.06 firmware and fed my Optoma HD 72 a blu-ray 1080P 24 HZ signal downcoverted to 1024x768 at 24hz. I have a wavy line down the left side of the picture about 10% in . The image to the left of the line is a repeat of a portion of the picture.
My question then -Does the VP 50 support 1024x768 at 24hz? If it does what is my problem? Has anyone else seen this?
Thank you in advance you helpful and bright folks.

I have just upgraded to the 1.06 firmware and fed my Optoma HD 72 a blu-ray 1080P 24 HZ signal downcoverted to 1024x768 at 24hz. I have a wavy line down the left side of the picture about 10% in . The image to the left of the line is a repeat of a portion of the picture.
My question then -Does the VP 50 support 1024x768 at 24hz? If it does what is my problem? Has anyone else seen this?
Thank you in advance you helpful and bright folks.

Is there a reason that you are using the 1024x768 Output Format? The Optoma HD72 has a native resolution of 1280x768 and this would be the optimal resolution to send it from the VP50. Please try 1280x768 (or 720p-60, if that doesn't work) to see if this issue persists.

http://www.optomausa.com/Product_detail.asp?productsubcat=3&productcategory=Home+Theater&product_id=249

With a 1080i input signal, have you tried switching the deinterlacing mode to "Field Scale"?
Yes, now I have tried you suggestion , and it is not better - it gets even worse, in "field scale" the picture cant be seen at all , it looks like it has lost the sync. And BTW if I set it to 4:3 aspect and then swiching to "field Scale" and then go back to ( "3:2 forced"), then it automatic jump to 16:9:confused:

From what you describe, it sounds like a down-scaling limitation. Switching the deinterlacing mode to Field Scale for 1080i input signals means that a 1920x540p signal (not 1920x1080p) signal will be sent to the scaler. If this eliminates this issue it will confirm where the limitation is.

I have tried to change the input signal to 720P from the PS3 and then there are no problems with outputting 1366x768P/72hz in both 16:9 or 4:3 aspect - clean picture and none distorsion.:confused:

I dont think that the scaler has any error, everything seems to funktion very good, but somewhere in the system there are a limitation or I have something set wrong.

I will try to take a picture of it.

Josh, thank you for the feed-back:), do the above say you something ? or is there anything else, I can try ?

dj

Sorry Josh I have been running it 1280x768 I don't know why I posted 1024x768. The problem is still evident at the ideal resolution.

"Software" versions really contain two parts, the software that controls the system and the hadware code that goes on the FPGAs. Some versions of VP50 "software" had the same FPGA code which meant that system settings were retained. The latest update to the VP50PRO allows settings to be retained in future updates, regardless of the changes to the software.

Josh, thanks for trying to clear up this confusion: if prior VP50 versions such as 1.04 were reported to maintain user settings, while 1.06 is reported not to maintain them, could you please clarify what distinguishes the software codes in the 2 different updates? Hopefully then I could better understand why the code for the FPGA in v1.06 wasn't written to maintain prior settings where it appears to have been able to be written differently in prior updates??? :confused:

I have tried to change the input signal to 720P from the PS3 and then there are no problems with outputting 1366x768P/72hz in both 16:9 or 4:3 aspect - clean picture and none distorsion.:confused:

I dont think that the scaler has any error, everything seems to funktion very good, but somewhere in the system there are a limitation or I have something set wrong.

I will try to take a picture of it.

Josh, thank you for the feed-back:), do the above say you something ? or is there anything else, I can try ?

dj

I have attacht a picture off the distorsion ( i think:o )

One other thing, I discoveret to day is if I put 1080i/60 in and 1366x768P/72 out in 16:9 with distorsion - if I then make around 8 % overscan, the distorsion gos away !!!:confused:???
Do that give any ide to what´s (I do) wrong ??

I feel that many people in this thread complain about the support at DVDO.

I just want to say that I'm very satisfied with the support. In my case they have been fast, accurate and helpful.

I agree with Ludvig_S, I have received very good support from DVDO. I have had a couple of problems with two VP-30 units, which were addressed very quickly, even though I had to return the units.

They gave me a great deal to upgrade, which I really wanted to do anyway. 1080i performance is significantly better, which is what I wanted.

I really did not and do not experience the bugs that many have posted here. Maybe I don't use all of the capabilities that some of the posters here utilize, but the performance and service has been all that I could ask for.

at first i wasnt happy with my dvdo vp50. I think alot of it was that i didnt know how to tweak the vp50 and or understand how to use all of its capabilities. Now after a couple months of use , my TV cant live with out it. Im sooo happy i purchased mine. I have had no problems with it , excpet for audio drop outs , but for me one click of the help button on the harmony remote fixes it quickly .

I don't know where to ask this, so I'll ask it here in addition to the receivers forum.

I am setting up these:

Toshiba A2 HD-DVD player (and either of a PS3 and/or Panasonic BD50 once it comes out)
Marantz SR9600 receiver with HDMI 1.1
VP50
Epson 1080UB Pro

If I have a couple of HDMI sources, let's say an HD-DVD player and Blu-Ray player, and I want both HD audio and HD video from the HDMI connection, do I connect the sources to my receiver first and then the output of the receiver to the VP50? I am just wondering if there may be a delay or out-of-synch issue between the video and audio that cannot be compensated for. The audio will be processed before the video. I was thinking that the only way to avoid this would be complicated. I would need an HDMI switch for my sources, and then an HDMI splitter (powered signal duplicator with one in and two out) that would then send the signal to each of the receiver and VP50.

Here are the three ways of connecting HDMI sources to a receiver and VP50 and projector:

1) HDMI sources connected to receiver > to VP50 > to projector
2) HDMI sources connected to VP50 > to receiver > to projector
3) HDMI sources connected to HDMI switch > splitter > one output to receiver and one output to VP50

Of course, option #2 may not work if the VP50 does not output audio over HDMI. If the receiver does not output video, which I doubt, then #1 and #2 wouldn't work.

My receiver has HDMI 1.1 and the VP50 has HDMI 1.1 or 1.2 I cannot recall.

So for those of you using HDMI sources and want both HD audio and HD video over HDMI to go to your receiver AND to your VP50 and display, do you go through the receiver first?

I'll try #1 today. I was just wondering if people are doing this or the other way around and are they getting a delay or out-of-synch audio-video problem.

thanks,

:)

Do you have an understanding of HDMI? What makes you think the VP50 will not output audio or the receiver will not output video?

I guess I don't know how all components work. I thought I saw one component somewhere that did not pass along either the audio or video in the HDMI signal. So you're saying the receiver and the VP50 should both pass audio and video over HDMI? Don't get me wrong, I figured this would be the case, I just haven't done it yet. I'll try it today, but my main concern is the delay.

Just wondering what people's experience has been.

I will probably try both #1 and #2. I suppose it comes down to whether the VP50 does the better audio-video sync adjustments than the receiver.

I am not familiar with your AVR. However from what I understand the VP50 allows to have individual audio delay settings for each input and in general does a good job as a switcher. Based on that I would go with Option 2) in your case for the time being.
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Axel

Thanks for the info. I'll update tonight. I hadn't seen any real compelling reason to update yet. Now I have it.

Thanks!

Did you try this?

You should have been able to do this with any firmware version, it remembers different output framerates for different input framerates automatically.

Don't even think you need to save a single display profile, the automatic "User" one should do it (although I'd recommend it)

This place has changed a lot since I was last here, much easier on the eyes :)

Josh - any news on a firmware update for the vp50 to disable prog scan cadence detection?

RezHD at 1080p is causing me all sorts of heartache :(

I ran the HDMI into the VP50 and then to the Receiver. Seems to work ok, except for one problem. Regular dolby surround titles on SD-DVD which used to have lot's of bass now have very little. I have an SDI-DVD player running the audio toslink to the VP50 and then the audio goes from the VP50 to the receiver over HDMI. This works fine for HD-DVD's (where the HD-DVD player is hooked to the VP50 via HDMI) but with the audio going toslink from the SDI-dvd-player to the VP50 and then HDMI to the receiver, for whatever reason, the bass is not there. Guess I need to check things out. I'll test hooking up the SDI-dvd-player audio directly to the receiver via toslink (with the HDMI leaving the VP50 and going straight to the projector of course).

Did you try this?

You should have been able to do this with any firmware version, it remembers different output framerates for different input framerates automatically.

Don't even think you need to save a single display profile, the automatic "User" one should do it (although I'd recommend it)

This place has changed a lot since I was last here, much easier on the eyes :)

Yes I was able to get this working :) Life is good!

Josh - any news on a firmware update for the vp50 to disable prog scan cadence detection?

RezHD at 1080p is causing me all sorts of heartache :(

Would love to know the answer to this as well. I played through GoW2 before realizing that there was about a 50ms delay, which caused all sorts of headaches in Titan mode. Until a firmware update happens, I now have to physically remove the vp50 from the system when playing games. :(

Would love to know the answer to this as well. I played through GoW2 before realizing that there was about a 50ms delay, which caused all sorts of headaches in Titan mode. Until a firmware update happens, I now have to physically remove the vp50 from the system when playing games. :(Am I the only one who doesn't get this? When I input 1080p HDMI from my XBox 360 into the VP50 and check the audio delay setting, it shows only 6 ms of delay, not 56 ms like when it's doing cadence detection. This only happens on 1080p input—720p and 480p both still have the delay. I assumed it was some change related to all the 24fps stuff for the HD movie crowd. I'm on firmware 1.05 and the output is also 1080p, 60 Hz locked over HDMI.

Where do you actually check the delay settings ??

Where do you actually check the delay settings ??In the audio delay setting, the slider indicates audio delay relative to the (already delayed) video. It defaults to 0 ms, which means the audio is delayed to match the video. Sliding it all the way down means no delay on the audio. So if you move the slider all the way down and it reads -56 ms, then the VP50 is putting 56 ms of delay on the video at the moment. You quickly get used to eyeballing whether the starting point is 6 or 56 above the bottom so you don't have to actually slide it all the way down every time you want to check.

Having the bottom of the scale slide around is a screwy way to handle it, though. It would be nice if they'd put the current delay in the Info popup.

wow, never thought about that. I thought it just goes down to -50 or something no matter what the system actually does. I need to check this out tomorrow and I definitely need to see if the 50pro behaves the same.

How much delay is there with a 720p or 480p signal if you turn on PReP and use the fastest Game Mode for deinterlacing? I'd be very interested to know.

How much delay is there with a 720p or 480p signal if you turn on PReP and use the fastest Game Mode for deinterlacing? I'd be very interested to know.
PReP is not available for 720p inputs. Someone, possibly Dale, already commented that since there's no such thing as 720i, they didn't bother with PReP at that resolution.

When I set my XBox 360 to 480p over HDMI, the VP50 recognizes it as VGA-60, not 480p. Again, no option to turn on PReP.

With my Wii at 480p over component, though, the VP50 does allow me to turn on PReP. With Game Mode 1 deinterlacing, the delay is 6 ms, and it looks like complete vibrating crap. With Game Mode 2, the delay is 23 ms, and it looks about like 480p with PReP off, although I was only testing on the Mii channel, which isn't the best test of high-motion material.

Thank you for the suggestion. I was getting really worried about my upcoming Smash Brothers Brawl party. I thought I'd have to drop the Wii down to 480i to keep it playable, but 23 ms is a decent compromise. I can live with that; it's not like Smash is a real hardcore fighter anyway.

Of course, DVDO could always just let us turn off the cadence detection, but that would make it too easy. What's the thrill in that?

Just as a side note: they've changed gamemode 1 on the pro. The vibrating of the horizontal edges is gone, therefore you get a few deinterlacing artifacts on the edges and the whole image looks like those Eagle2x scalers used in emulation. I guess you get the idea...

Just as a side note: they've changed gamemode 1 on the pro. The vibrating of the horizontal edges is gone, therefore you get a few deinterlacing artifacts on the edges and the whole image looks like those Eagle2x scalers used in emulation. I guess you get the idea...
No, I mean with PReP, Game Mode 1 vibrates constantly, even on motionless images. It looks unbearable, not just bad. Game Mode 2 is fine.

However, I just had a second thought about using PReP. Wouldn't that limit the framerate to 30, even on 60 fps games? You can't get something for nothing. I'll have to test that when I get a chance.

Just as a side note: they've changed gamemode 1 on the pro. The vibrating of the horizontal edges is gone, therefore you get a few deinterlacing artifacts on the edges and the whole image looks like those Eagle2x scalers used in emulation. I guess you get the idea...No, I mean with PReP, Game Mode 1 vibrates constantly, even on motionless images. It looks unbearable, not just bad. Game Mode 2 is fine.I think he knows exactly what you meant, and he's correct that the VP50Pro behaves differently than the VP50. There's a bug in the VP50 that isn't in the VP50Pro that results in the vibration you're seeing.

However, I just had a second thought about using PReP. Wouldn't that limit the framerate to 30, even on 60 fps games? You can't get something for nothing. I'll have to test that when I get a chance.No. The basic idea of PReP is that it extracts the original interlaced signal (assuming, of course, that there was an original interlaced signal). It then deinterlaces this as if it were the actual interlaced signal that was received as input. If you had 60 unique fields/sec to start with you'll get 60 unique frames/sec on the output.

- Dale Adams

I'm sure this has been answered before (sorry), but is there a definitive word on whether or not the VP50 will ever get an update that lets you turn of Cadence Detection?

I think he knows exactly what you meant, and he's correct that the VP50Pro behaves differently than the VP50. I don't remember for 100% certain, but I think the VP50 Game Mode 1 + PReP vibration was primarily vertical, not horizontal; that's why I clarified. I know you're the expert. I think we all understand now, at least.

No. The basic idea of PReP is that it extracts the original interlaced signal (assuming, of course, that there was an original interlaced signal). It then deinterlaces this as if it were the actual interlaced signal that was received as input. If you had 60 unique fields/sec to start with you'll get 60 unique frames/sec on the output.Oh, right. I think I was somehow improperly muddling inverse telecine into the process in my mind; sorry. PReP only affects spatial resolution: it assumes half the lines in each frame are really bogus, discards them, and tells the system to deal with what's left like any other interlaced video field, right?

But we're talking about misusing PReP on true 480p content as a workaround for the cadence detection lag. So in my mental model of this, it doesn't seem like PReP would make it look any better than just having the Wii output 480i to begin with, right? It might have helped with an XBox 360, which can't output 480i over HDMI, but the VP50 won't allow PReP to be enabled in that case, plus the 360 can just output 1080i or 1080p anyway. Workaround fails. Oh well.

I'm sure this has been answered before (sorry), but is there a definitive word on whether or not the VP50 will ever get an update that lets you turn of Cadence Detection?I really thought I saw Josh say it was coming, once upon a time. Has anyone heard anything about more VP50 updates?

I don't remember for 100% certain, but I think the VP50 Game Mode 1 + PReP vibration was primarily vertical, not horizontal; that's why I clarified.That's correct.

Oh, right. I think I was somehow improperly muddling inverse telecine into the process in my mind; sorry. PReP only affects spatial resolution: it assumes half the lines in each frame are really bogus, discards them, and tells the system to deal with what's left like any other interlaced video field, right?That's pretty much it. If all works as designed, it should extract the original field not one which is composed of calculated pixels. In the case of a signal with a repeated cadence, like 3:2 or 2:2 pulldown, then it ends up not making any difference which field is selected.

But we're talking about misusing PReP on true 480p content as a workaround for the cadence detection lag. So in my mental model of this, it doesn't seem like PReP would make it look any better than just having the Wii output 480i to begin with, right?That depends on how the Wii creates that 480p output signal. If it just bobs a 480i original signal, then the VP50 should do better. But if it actually renders at 480p then I wouldn't think you'd want to muck with that.

- Dale Adams

I really thought I saw Josh say it was coming, once upon a time. Has anyone heard anything about more VP50 updates?I believe it's coming as well, but I don't have any real idea when this might be released (which is why I've refrained from addressing this so far).

- Dale Adams

Just as a side note: they've changed gamemode 1 on the pro. The vibrating of the horizontal edges is gone, therefore you get a few deinterlacing artifacts on the edges and the whole image looks like those Eagle2x scalers used in emulation. I guess you get the idea...
No, I mean with PReP, Game Mode 1 vibrates constantly, even on motionless images. It looks unbearable, not just bad. Game Mode 2 is fine.I think he knows exactly what you meant, and he's correct that the VP50Pro behaves differently than the VP50. There's a bug in the VP50 that isn't in the VP50Pro that results in the vibration you're seeing.It turns out that I was incorrect here. My apologies. The problem with vertical vibration using PReP and Game Mode 1 is there on both the VP50 and the VP50Pro. I was thinking of the ABT2010 chip, which does have this problem fixed. I'm looking into fixing this for both processors.

- Dale Adams

I searched the thread and think i found the answer but wanted to get confirmation that the VP50 does indeed pass multichannel LPCM via HDMI. Is this correct?

I searched the thread and think i found the answer but wanted to get confirmation that the VP50 does indeed pass multichannel LPCM via HDMI. Is this correct?
Yes the VP50 will pass PCM through it's HDMI from "BLU-RAY" but the VP50 will not pass, Dolby True HD/DTS Master as bitstream for your compatible surround processor to decode the HD codecs, because the VP50 is not HDMI 1.3 compliant like the newer VP50pro which does allow for bitstreaming of the HD codecs....

Which is no big deal since bitstream is decoded into bit-for-bit identical PCM no matter where it is decoded.

Unless you have a player that can bitstream the HD codecs but doesn't have an internal decoder for them, like my Panasonic BD30.

- Dale Adams

I am as dumb as a post when it comes to computer hardware issues. I am trying to update the firmware on my VP50(stardard) that I just purchased. I have FW 1.0 installed and it was giving me some audio issues so I wanted to upgrade to 1.06. Well I went out and purchased a USB to serial cable, then worked through getting it communicating with the VP50.

The first time I tried updating the file, all was good, it began the "Load .abt file now.." then began "loading...*". It ran for about 2-3 minutes the first time, then I got an error message. It said the software was currupt or something like that.

I tried again and it only "loaded" for about 5 seconds. Tried again, again, and again. No luck.

Then I tried FW 1.04. Same thing. Error in about 2 seconds after "Loading".
I read up about the driver error issue and tried installing the old driver for my USB to serial device, but it wouldn't install. Im guessing that driver is not for my device.

I have an old computer with a serial connection, but I don't have a cable for it. Would it be worth my while to buy a cable and attempt the update with the direct serial port?

Any help would be great,

Luke

I have an old computer with a serial connection, but I don't have a cable for it. Would it be worth my while to buy a cable and attempt the update with the direct serial port?

Any help would be great,

Luke
By far you best bet. A lot of people have had issues with USB to serial dongles. Seeing that you will be using a good old fashioned PC, you should be fine setting the baud rate to 57600 - it takes quite a while even at this rate. Remember to set the VP50 to 57600 under Serial Port Rate before you select the Firmware upgrade.

Thanks guys. That's what I figured. A receiver to just accept and pass thru pcm is all I need until something nice in the HDMI processor world arrives.

I am as dumb as a post when it comes to computer hardware issues. I am trying to update the firmware on my VP50(stardard) that I just purchased. I have FW 1.0 installed and it was giving me some audio issues so I wanted to upgrade to 1.06. Well I went out and purchased a USB to serial cable, then worked through getting it communicating with the VP50.

The first time I tried updating the file, all was good, it began the "Load .abt file now.." then began "loading...*". It ran for about 2-3 minutes the first time, then I got an error message. It said the software was currupt or something like that.

I tried again and it only "loaded" for about 5 seconds. Tried again, again, and again. No luck.

Then I tried FW 1.04. Same thing. Error in about 2 seconds after "Loading".
I read up about the driver error issue and tried installing the old driver for my USB to serial device, but it wouldn't install. Im guessing that driver is not for my device.

I have an old computer with a serial connection, but I don't have a cable for it. Would it be worth my while to buy a cable and attempt the update with the direct serial port?

Any help would be great,

Luke


You may also want to try the updater loader program that Barry Gordon wrote for loading the firmware updates on DVDO iScans. It seems to work better in some cases for a lot of people. To get it, go to the left of this page and under "Home Theater/Music" heading, pick the "DVDO Utility Program" option.

http://www.the-gordons.net/homepage/DownLoad.html

Thanks for the help guys. I got a serial cable and connected directly serial to serial, and the 1.06 update went flawlessly first attempt. The 1.06 version also fixed all of my audio issues. What a relief!:)

Thanks again for the suggestions,

Luke

First a little basis:):
I have a Marquee 8000 : 8" CRT projector, a studiotek130 1,3 gain micoperf. screen, the VP50, and some sources ( PS3, DVB-T, VCR and DVD ). I have a separate room for my HT, which is done all black ( black floor, walls, roof, furniture, and everything else in the room :cool:).

With the AVIA disk NTSC( it has a gamma test picture ) I have an idea that the gamma for the projector is around 2.2 - 2.3 as it should be !? correct ?

With the DVE PAL, I have adjusted the brightness ( black level ) so low, it is possible with the + 2% bar above black just visible - when I check a video black test picture ( end off chp. 12 ) in my 100 % black room, the screen is not completely black ( i can see my hand against the screen, in the dark, if I hold it up ), but I think it is so dark it can be, without cruising details near video black.
When I adjust the gamma up (?)in the VP50 to 1,1 or 1,2 for all 3 colors, the gamma seems to go down to around 2.0 and the +2% bar gets more visible ( and there by I can lower the black level (brightness) a little and the video black test picture gets a little more "more black" withs in my book seems to be a good thing !?:confused: ) - but I know that I have moved the linear jump between the low IRE´s a little.
When I adjust the gamma opposite - down - ( say 0,8 - 0,9 for all 3 colors ) the gamma on screen go up to 2.4 / 2.5 ( that many say´is the "right" value for at CRTér in a completely dark, 100% light controlled room - is it ? ) - and the +2% bar gets closer to the video black and become nearly invisible, with the video black test picture, the "blacks" gets a little LESS black( more light on the screen).
Why do I want a gamma at 2.3 - 2.5 instead of a 2.0 ?? at 2.0 the black ( when adjusted the brightness correct) seems "more black" ( less light) and the detail near black is better to see !!??
Is it because I will loose detail higher up in "middle" Grey or what ? and the gray ramp/tones will be not linear in its 0 - 100 IRE steps ? and therefor make the picture wrong/incorrect/ strange looking ?

Or is it better to stay on the 2.2 gamma value - for a linear Grey step ( from 0 - 100 IRE ) because it match perfect the CRT´s nonlinear signal response ?

It annoys me:mad: that I cant get completely black in my room/ on screen, when there are a video black signal and some others CRT owners talk about how "inky black" there blacks are ! Am I adjusting wrong ? or is it me who is too demanding ?:o.......or is my projector not good enough for the task ?

Why is the gamma adjusting in the VP50 opposite of my logic ? ( turning gamma up - the screen gamma goes down ! :rolleyes:) is it my logic who sucks? :D or has I misunderstanding something ?

I :o apologize for the long post and the many questions, but it is not easy to write short and clear on a other language - but I thanks for any feed back :) and BTW I do like all the possibility's and the performance off the VP50 - I just want to know as much as possible about it, to use it as good as possible:p

dj

I thought with the FW upgrade from 1.00 to 1.06 my audio issues were solved. Today while watching "Planet Earth" on HDDVD with audio input to the VP50 with HDMI and output through optical, I had no narration. It was gone 100%. I have now connected from my HD-DVD player to the VP50 with an optical cable and back to the reciever with a second optical cable, and this resolves the audio issue.

Does anyone know what would resolve this HDMI audio issue. My concern is the VP50 only has 2 optical inputs, which are now full with my satellite and HD-DVD player. What happens if I add more components that don't have coax audio, I wont have enough inputs.

Thanks in advance,

Luke

First a little basis:):
I have a Marquee 8000 : 8" CRT projector, a studiotek130 1,3 gain micoperf. screen, the VP50, and some sources ( PS3, DVB-T, VCR and DVD ). I have a separate room for my HT, which is done all black ( black floor, walls, roof, furniture, and everything else in the room :cool:).

With the AVIA disk NTSC( it has a gamma test picture ) I have an idea that the gamma for the projector is around 2.2 - 2.3 as it should be !? correct ?

With the DVE PAL, I have adjusted the brightness ( black level ) so low, it is possible with the + 2% bar above black just visible - when I check a video black test picture ( end off chp. 12 ) in my 100 % black room, the screen is not completely black ( i can see my hand against the screen, in the dark, if I hold it up ), but I think it is so dark it can be, without cruising details near video black.
When I adjust the gamma up (?)in the VP50 to 1,1 or 1,2 for all 3 colors, the gamma seems to go down to around 2.0 and the +2% bar gets more visible ( and there by I can lower the black level (brightness) a little and the video black test picture gets a little more "more black" withs in my book seems to be a good thing !?:confused: ) - but I know that I have moved the linear jump between the low IRE´s a little.
When I adjust the gamma opposite - down - ( say 0,8 - 0,9 for all 3 colors ) the gamma on screen go up to 2.4 / 2.5 ( that many say´is the "right" value for at CRTér in a completely dark, 100% light controlled room - is it ? ) - and the +2% bar gets closer to the video black and become nearly invisible, with the video black test picture, the "blacks" gets a little LESS black( more light on the screen).
Why do I want a gamma at 2.3 - 2.5 instead of a 2.0 ?? at 2.0 the black ( when adjusted the brightness correct) seems "more black" ( less light) and the detail near black is better to see !!??
Is it because I will loose detail higher up in "middle" Grey or what ? and the gray ramp/tones will be not linear in its 0 - 100 IRE steps ? and therefor make the picture wrong/incorrect/ strange looking ?

Or is it better to stay on the 2.2 gamma value - for a linear Grey step ( from 0 - 100 IRE ) because it match perfect the CRT´s nonlinear signal response ?

It annoys me:mad: that I cant get completely black in my room/ on screen, when there are a video black signal and some others CRT owners talk about how "inky black" there blacks are ! Am I adjusting wrong ? or is it me who is too demanding ?:o.......or is my projector not good enough for the task ?

Why is the gamma adjusting in the VP50 opposite of my logic ? ( turning gamma up - the screen gamma goes down ! :rolleyes:) is it my logic who sucks? :D or has I misunderstanding something ?

I :o apologize for the long post and the many questions, but it is not easy to write short and clear on a other language - but I thanks for any feed back :) and BTW I do like all the possibility's and the performance off the VP50 - I just want to know as much as possible about it, to use it as good as possible:p

dj

I agree 100% as far as gamma controls on the VP50 as well as other controls! The manual is almost worthless and I guess the only one that has the answers on how to really use the abilities of these processors is DVDO and the engineers that designed it. I wish DVDO would take the time to post online specific steps on using the controls for the "average customer" we should not have to be ISF certified to benefit from our investment...

I thought with the FW upgrade from 1.00 to 1.06 my audio issues were solved. Today while watching "Planet Earth" on HDDVD with audio input to the VP50 with HDMI and output through optical, I had no narration. It was gone 100%. I have now connected from my HD-DVD player to the VP50 with an optical cable and back to the reciever with a second optical cable, and this resolves the audio issue.

Does anyone know what would resolve this HDMI audio issue. My concern is the VP50 only has 2 optical inputs, which are now full with my satellite and HD-DVD player. What happens if I add more components that don't have coax audio, I wont have enough inputs.

Thanks in advance,

Luke

As a guess check that you have the HDDVD player set to output Bitstream (not PCM) and make sure you select the Dolby Digital (not PCM of TrueHD or DTS Master etc) soundtrack on the disc.

It sounds like the player is outputting 5.1 PCM via HDMI, this format is only supported on HDMI so unless you have HDMI from the VP50 to your AMP you'll only get what the older Optical/Coax standard supports ( 2 Channel PCM, i.e. you'll only hear the Left and Right channels, the dialog is in the center channel).

Depending on the player there are other combos of settings that'll work but this should work on any, with luck. ;)

Hey guys , i dont know if my DVDO is contributing to the cause of this weird flicker i get only on blu ray playback. On TV , video games and DVD sources i dont get it. All sources are going into the DVDO.

The flicker is mostly noticable in the brighter scenes. I do bluray playback via PS3. Its sooo annoying. My TV is a hdila jvc 1080p. but it takes in 1080i signals from the DVDO and the TV converts to 1080p.

Is my brightness too high? is this some sorta clip? Thanx Chris

I thought with the FW upgrade from 1.00 to 1.06 my audio issues were solved. Today while watching "Planet Earth" on HDDVD with audio input to the VP50 with HDMI and output through optical, I had no narration. It was gone 100%. I have now connected from my HD-DVD player to the VP50 with an optical cable and back to the reciever with a second optical cable, and this resolves the audio issue.

Does anyone know what would resolve this HDMI audio issue. My concern is the VP50 only has 2 optical inputs, which are now full with my satellite and HD-DVD player. What happens if I add more components that don't have coax audio, I wont have enough inputs.

Thanks in advance,

Luke

the DVDO may have reset the output settings, which defaults to optical out... double check that... it may fix it...

Josh or Dale

Just to be clear, is it correct, that the gamma control in the output menu is working opposite ? say you raise the gamma control to "1.2" for all 3 colors, then the gamma on screen gets lower ? ( thats how it work in my setup, but it could be me, who is doing something wrong ).

If it is correct, is there any special reason for it to be that way ? ( I would have thought, that raising the control would raise the gamma on screen ! ).

BTW. when adjusting say 0.1 down (or up) ( eks. from 1.0 to 0.9 ) how much dos it change the gamma value ? ( say you have a gamma value of 2.2 at "1.0" - dos it then go up to 2.3 ? ).

TIA

dj

Now that we've finally identified the root cause(s) of the problem I was seeing on the VP50 I can tell you that this is exactly the problem you were seeing on the VP30. Here's what's going on:

1) SD interlaced signals over HDMI use a pixel-doubled method to get around a low frequency limitation on the pixel clock for SD interlaced signals. Each pixel is sent twice (i.e., the same pixel data is sent back-to-back) so that the too-low pixel clock rate is effectively doubled.

2) There's a minor bug in the VP50 (and apparently the VP30 as well) which causes the VP50 to sometimes select the first instance of the duplicated pixel and sometimes to select the second instance. Since both instances are supposed to be the same, I hesitate to even call this a bug. (Note that this does not occur with the VP50Pro.)

3) The Oppo 970 does something very odd when it sends out an SD interlaced signal over its HDMI port. Instead of double-clocking each of the 720 pixels in a line, it instead scales the line to 1440 pixels and then sends that out. Consequently, one of the 'duplicated' pixels is the original and the other is actually an interpolated value at a position halfway between two of the original pixels. I believe this is a violation of the spec, as each individual source pixel is supposed to be double-clocked.

4) Because of the problem described in #2 above, the VP50 will sometimes use the even instance of the (supposedly) double-clocked pixels and will sometimes use the odd instance. When the VP50 selects the even instance of the 'duplicated' pixel, you get the original signal and life is good. When the VP50 selects the odd instance you get a version which has the high frequencies rolled off due to the filtering inherent in the scaling process.

I believe someone at ABT is looking at fixing the irregularity of the VP50 in selecting the even or odd 'duplicate' pixel. This should fix the problem when using an Oppo 970 DVD player. I have no idea, however, when such a fix might become available. I also have no idea if any other source devices might do something similar. Has anyone experienced anything like this when using an SD interlaced input over HDMI to a VPxx?

- Dale Adams

Hi Dale ,

Does this "problem" from the Oppo 970 appear only in the VP-series ? I have an HD+ and I was wondering how the Sil504 and DVDO processing would handle this ? Sorry for the topic temporary Hijack :)

I do hear that Oppo is looking into this . Which do you think will be easier , fixing the 970 or VPxx ?

Thanks for your time and welcome back .

Scott.................:D

the DVDO may have reset the output settings, which defaults to optical out... double check that... it may fix it...

No I bet it's the audio output settings on the HD DVD as someone suggested, I had the same problem.

No I bet it's the audio output settings on the HD DVD as someone suggested, I had the same problem.

I'll second that; and raise you one. Had the same problem with the Spiderman BD demo disk - with one audio setting (on the disk options - not player or receiver or VP50) I had no dialogue; changed the option and it was all there.

Would help if things were a touch better documented. (by studios or someone - in this case, it sure wasn't the fault of DVDO;))

I need help connecting my cable HD STB to the VP50. My display is 1080p and I will be sending 1080p from the VP50 to the display. My STB allows me to send HD either as 720p or 1080i. Which should I choose? I have heard the VP50 is better at de-interlacing than scaling. If that is true, it seems I should send 1080i to the VP50.

Any help would be appreciated.

Are you sure your cable box can not send both?

Are you sure your cable box can not send both?
I have a Motorola DCT6200 and on a waiting list for a Motorola DCT3416. When accessing their menus, I think both force me to choose between 720p and 1080i.

I have a Motorola DCT6200 and on a waiting list for a Motorola DCT3416. When accessing their menus, I think both force me to choose between 720p and 1080i.

If I remember correctly this is a "max resolution" setting even though it doesn't say so. Select 1080i and the VP50 will take care of the rest. I believe I have the 3416 before and now have the 6200 and both I have set at 1080i.

-Splints

I have a Motorola box as well, and 1080i is my preferred setting.

:confused:Hello,

Everyone, I just bought a new VP50, it' s look like the fan do not
turn at all...I would like to know if it si normal... I read that the fan
is software controlled but it is suppose to turn slowly and increased when
heat build-up or it is a ON-OFF -On operation...


Thank you all

Step

step;
The fan in my VP50 is extremely quiet. I guess without opening the unit I could not even tell if it is running or not. How do you deduct that yours is not working (I am not saying it is or is not - I am just wondering. :))
____
Axel

I opened the processor hood to look at this beauty, saw that the fan was on park position...After two hours of intense video shoot-out, not even moved at all.

Heatsink was not too hot either, only warm at the touch...

I may be getting a VP50 to solve the problem I'm having with my VP30, but I hate the idea of introducing gaming lag. Until DVDO lets us disable cadence detection, I thought I would connect my Wii directly to the TV, but I would still like to use the VP50 to switch the audio. Anyone know if the VP50 will still output audio even when there is no signal on the associated video input? Thanks.

I think reducing the Wii's output resolution to 480i in the meantime would be the better choice. You would loose a little detail on fast motion, but the overall picture should still be better than going 480p to your TV directly.

OOC - are we due any more firmware upgrades for the VP50 or is it as good as its going to get?

I think reducing the Wii's output resolution to 480i in the meantime would be the better choice. You would loose a little detail on fast motion, but the overall picture should still be better than going 480p to your TV directly.
Unfortunately, that's not true. For whatever reason, 480i looks far worse, so that's not really an option.

Anyone know if the VP50 will still output audio even when there is no signal on the associated video input?I believe I remember trying this, and the VP50 did not pass audio with no video input. The main LED remains red, and the VP doesn't consider the input to be active.

I think reducing the Wii's output resolution to 480i in the meantime would be the better choice.That's basically what I do, except I leave the Wii at 480p and use PReP to trick the VP50 into bypassing cadence detection. For fast motion games like Smash, fast response is critical, but for other games, I'd rather have prettier graphics. It's a pain to switch the Wii between 480i and 480p because it can't be done while playing a game, but toggling PReP is easy at any time (although it would be nice if the VP50 would remember that I want Game Mode 2 without making me switch deinterlacing from Auto every time, too).

I believe I remember trying this, and the VP50 did not pass audio with no video input. The main LED remains red, and the VP doesn't consider the input to be active.


although, I think you can make it work - the VP isn't that smart - feed it any video on that channel - you can even assign a composite video to that input - then the VP will be fine, your audio will be there.

hi,

I just got my dvdo and connected it via composite and component for dvd and SD TV. I dont see any picture improvement for SD TV. DVDs look a little better but Tv looks the same or even worse. I tried all sorts of output formats, no improvement. Am I doing something wrong?

although, I think you can make it work - the VP isn't that smart - feed it any video on that channel - you can even assign a composite video to that input - then the VP will be fine, your audio will be there.
I was thinking the same thing. Monoprice makes a component video splitter that I use to send the VP50 the signal it needs. (Although it might degrade the PQ, so maybe a different source would be better.)

I have a DVDO VP 50 pro. I just bough a new 52 inch Sharp LCD TV, model, LC-52SE94U. I have hooked up a DVD player and a Direct TV receiver to the input side of the DVDO with HDMI and output HDMI to the Sharp. I getting a picture and everything is find but the DVDO does not pass audio to the TV. All the audio input and output selections are correct. It does not appear that Sharp has new firmware for this TV. The DVDO was hooked up to an older model Sharp with no trouble.

Any suggestions.

Thanks

DVDO VP50 Pro is a different thread.

I have all my components set to deliver audio and video via hdmi to the vp50. I have an hdmi cable running from the vp50 to my lcd and an optical cable running from the vp50 to my Pre/Pro. The hdmi to the LCD is for video only and the optical is for the audio. My lcd keeps putting out a message that it is receiving an incompatible audio signal....which means to me that the vp50 is sending an audio signal through the hdmi cable to the lcd as well as sending an audio signal to my Pre/Pro. Is there a way to turn off the audio being sent out to my lcd from the vp50 via the hdmi cable so it only sends audio out to the Pre/Pro via the optical?

Thanks in advance, John

What's the deal with the new DVDO trade in program up in the sticky section? Are they having financial problems? Clearing out inventory for a new model?

^Obviously their PRO is not selling as anticipated...not a surprise though.
Standalone VPs are a tough sell these days.
It's hard to justify the price.

My VP50 has been unplugged for 6 months and not missed.

I would definitely miss my VP50pro if I had it unplugged. The same for when I had my VP50. The picture without it just doesn't come anywhere close to how it looks with it in the video chain.

^Obviously their PRO is not selling as anticipated...not a surprise though.
Standalone VPs are a tough sell these days.
It's hard to justify the price.

My VP50 has been unplugged for 6 months and not missed.

Same here. I'm running all of my sources through my Denon 4308. My VP50 is not missed since I'm now only watching HD material. I would probably use the Pro but it still can't pass the new codecs via bitstream.

Same here. I'm running all of my sources through my Denon 4308. My VP50 is not missed since I'm now only watching HD material. I would probably use the Pro but it still can't pass the new codecs via bitstream.

So even with HD you don't see a difference? Without my VP there is a big difference even on HD. Although I guess since my system was calibrated with the VP that is probably part of the reason. Although I'm also using a 3808 so I don't know what the processing differences are between that and the 4308. But going through the 3808 alone doesn't cut it for me. I go to my 3808 first and then take the output of that to a 1x4 HDMI splitter to go into the 4 inputs of my VP. That way I can still have the video adjustments for everything.

How could the VP improve on an original 1080p signal to a 1080p display? It seems it could only alter it to certain preferences.

The most recent responses have me more intrigued (and confused) than ever. I want to thank everyone for educating me on this topic.

An integrator is helping me upgrade things gradually (via Control4) throughout the house and we are now working on distributing movies to 2 zones directly above each other. All home components are in a rack in the basement:

BASEMENT - DirecTV HR20, Sony DVP CX777ES changer and Optoma HD-72 (720p/1080i) projector to a 120" screen, blu-ray for basement only in the future

LIVING ROOM - DirecTV HR20 and Hitachi 55" plasma (720p/1080i)

Given I need to make a receiver decision and my main objective is PQ, would this make sense?

1) DO a SDI mod to the changer and same to DVDO VP50 to cover the Sony
2) Run changer and HR20 to VP50
3) Get a lesser-quality receiver (Onkyo 805 rather than Integra 8.8 or Denon 3808 / 4308) that can still handle two-zone responsibilities

or should I ignore the SDI mod, getting a VP50, and just run everything through a more capable receiver (Integra 8.8 or Denon 4308)?

Thanks!

The bottom line is the VP50 can make a big difference with SD material, very little with HD.

How could the VP improve on an original 1080p signal to a 1080p display? It seems it could only alter it to certain preferences.

I am using a VP50 pro now instead of the VP50. My system was calibrated with the VP in it. Without the VP the picture is not coirrect since the calibration is off.

So even with HD you don't see a difference? Without my VP there is a big difference even on HD. Although I guess since my system was calibrated with the VP that is probably part of the reason. Although I'm also using a 3808 so I don't know what the processing differences are between that and the 4308. But going through the 3808 alone doesn't cut it for me. I go to my 3808 first and then take the output of that to a 1x4 HDMI splitter to go into the 4 inputs of my VP. That way I can still have the video adjustments for everything.

I really don't see a significant difference in HD material passed through my 4308 vs processed with my VP50. Overall I've been very pleased with my VP50 but now with such good quality HD material it is less usefull.

I came close to upgrading to the Pro and now I'm glad I did not. I need at least 6 HDMI inputs and the ability to pass the new codecs.

I really don't see a significant difference in HD material passed through my 4308 vs processed with my VP50. Overall I've been very pleased with my VP50 but now with such good quality HD material it is less usefull.

I came close to upgrading to the Pro and now I'm glad I did not. I need at least 6 HDMI inputs and the ability to pass the new codecs.

I would need 12 HDMI inputs to cover all my devices in my main room. I use a combination of switches and splitters . My broadcast sources are on most of the splitters since those devices go through an Algolith FLEA for processing. Then my HD DVD player and my main BD player have their own inputs. And then I split the PS3 and OPPO since I only use my PS3 for trailer downloads. Since they haven't got the bitstreaming working yet with my Denon I have to run everything to the 3808 first and then go through the 1x4 distribution amp. If I still had my VP50 I would have to have it setup the same way. But the VP50 pro does do a better job than the VP50 since it doesn't introduce ringing like the VP50 can in some cases with edge enhancement.
But without the DVDO generous upgrade program I wouldn't have upgraded. As long as they continue their generous upgrade programs, I will upgrade my VP everytime a new one is released.

My system was calibrated with the VP in it. Without the VP the picture is not correct since the calibration is off.

This may be your problem, Aaron.
Did your calibrator guy calibrate your Display first?
I ask this because it has been my experience that trying to get quality service (of any type) has become a crapshoot.
If he didn't and used the VP for all of the adjustments, then, yeah, taking the DVDO out of the chain will make PQ worse...no question there.

The Display MUST be corrected first.
Then and only then, can video (going back up the chain) be adjusted to the Display standard...in essence, "zeroing" video adjustments out.

I would need 12 HDMI inputs to cover all my devices in my main room. I use a combination of switches and splitters . My broadcast sources are on most of the splitters since those devices go through an Algolith FLEA for processing. Then my HD DVD player and my main BD player have their own inputs. And then I split the PS3 and OPPO since I only use my PS3 for trailer downloads. Since they haven't got the bitstreaming working yet with my Denon I have to run everything to the 3808 first and then go through the 1x4 distribution amp. If I still had my VP50 I would have to have it setup the same way. But the VP50 pro does do a better job than the VP50 since it doesn't introduce ringing like the VP50 can in some cases with edge enhancement.
But without the DVDO generous upgrade program I wouldn't have upgraded. As long as they continue their generous upgrade programs, I will upgrade my VP everytime a new one is released.


Thanks for that info on the VP50, I thought I was imaging the ringing that I get on my VP50 using a 480i source via s-video or composite. Now I know it is real. I too would like 12 HDMI inputs :)

Awaiting a vp60 :) skipped the vp50pro....

This may be your problem, Aaron.
Did your calibrator guy calibrate your Display first?
I ask this because it has been my experience that trying to get quality service (of any type) has become a crapshoot.
If he didn't and used the VP for all of the adjustments, then, yeah, taking the DVDO out of the chain will make PQ worse...no question there.

The Display MUST be corrected first.
Then and only then, can video (going back up the chain) be adjusted to the Display standard...in essence, "zeroing" video adjustments out.

Calibration was done to the TV first, then tweaked with the VP in the video chain. So with out my VP in the chain the picture is different since the final tweaking is done with the VP.

I would need 12 HDMI inputs to cover all my devices in my main room. I use a combination of switches and splitters . My broadcast sources are on most of the splitters since those devices go through an Algolith FLEA for processing. Then my HD DVD player and my main BD player have their own inputs. And then I split the PS3 and OPPO since I only use my PS3 for trailer downloads. Since they haven't got the bitstreaming working yet with my Denon I have to run everything to the 3808 first and then go through the 1x4 distribution amp. If I still had my VP50 I would have to have it setup the same way. But the VP50 pro does do a better job than the VP50 since it doesn't introduce ringing like the VP50 can in some cases with edge enhancement.
But without the DVDO generous upgrade program I wouldn't have upgraded. As long as they continue their generous upgrade programs, I will upgrade my VP everytime a new one is released.

You're right about the generous upgrade program. I was very tempted but I think I'll wait on their next VP - it should meet all of my requirements.

You're right about the generous upgrade program. I was very tempted but I think I'll wait on their next VP - it should meet all of my requirements.

Awaiting a vp60 :) skipped the vp50pro....

I also considered upgrading to the Pro, but fairly quickly decided that (for me) the gains were not worth the additional expense over the VP50... and from comments I've since read here and there, I don't regret missing that particular upgrade step at all.

I will certainly take a look at their next model - that is, if there is going to be a new VP from ABT.

I will certainly take a look at their next model - that is, if there is going to be a new VP from ABT.

especially if it includes edge blending....:p

I also considered upgrading to the Pro, but fairly quickly decided that (for me) the gains were not worth the additional expense over the VP50... and from comments I've since read here and there, I don't regret missing that particular upgrade step at all.
The only things I've missed not having from the Pro are two bug fixes for VP50 bugs (disabling cadence detection for progressive games and fixing Game Mode 1 deinterlacing with PReP). So while I wish I had the fixes, I think it's disgraceful they still haven't released them for the the model I already have. The idea of buying a VP50 Pro just to get VP50 bug fixes is completely repugnant to me. (My apologies to ABT/DVDO if these are really hardware bugs, but I know they aren't.)

I've had a VP50 for a few days now, and I wanted to ask if I should be at all concerned about heat. It's by far the hottest thing in my rack right now. It's not going to burst into flames or anything, but the top right side is certainly toasty enough to keep your hands good and warm on cold nights! ...and that holds true even if it is in standby mode! - As an aside, I expect this is because they probably keep the FPGAs loaded in standby mode. Maybe Dale can confirm this...just to satisfy my curiosity! :)

I've got plenty of clearance at the moment (7 inches on top) but was hoping to trim it down a bit to make room for some other things. As a result, I was thinking of adding a fan. I'm sure they thermal test these things like crazy during the design phase, but there's something to be said for peace-of-mind. Has anyone taken any steps to improve the thermals (add a fan, add/replace heatsinks on the FPGAs, etc.). Just trying to protect my new toy but don't want to go overboard. - Is heat a problem for anyone else?

While I am at it... I am running fw 1.04 at the moment. Are there any known deal-breaker issues with 1.06? I'd like to get the 24Hz in / 24Hz out capability.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts guys!

Give me some GOOD denoising, both macroblocks and mosquito noise at the very least, fix the issues with old game systems, and I may upgrade if the competition doesn't out-do them (or costs a lot more) by that time.

So the VP50 Pro just got another firmware update. Meanwhile, I'm still setting my game machines to output interlaced video in order to work around the cadence detection lag for progressive-scan games. This problem was fixed on the VP50 Pro a couple of updates ago. At this point, it's hard not to feel rather acutely shafted by DVDO's continued withholding of the same fix for the VP50.

EDIT, a few days later: OK, perhaps now I understand better when people rave about the company's good customer service. To any gamer, this issue with cadence detection was a serious problem for far too long, and it warranted some public bitching, but I have talked to someone at DVDO, and I am now satisfied going forward. I would feel like I wasn't being fair if I didn't give them some credit here when they've earned it.

I'm getting a VP50 very soon to replace my VP30, and the inability to turn off cadence detection is a major sticking point for me too. I'm planning on connecting my game console directly to the TV until the issue is resolved.

So the VP50 Pro just got another firmware update. Meanwhile, I'm still setting my game machines to output interlaced video in order to work around the cadence detection lag for progressive-scan games. This problem was fixed on the VP50 Pro a couple of updates ago. At this point, it's hard not to feel rather acutely shafted by DVDO's continued withholding of the same fix for the VP50.


Don't get too excited - it looks like the firmware update just fixes the HD-SDI problems the Pro has had.

What's the deal with the new DVDO trade in program up in the sticky section? Are they having financial problems? Clearing out inventory for a new model?

It seems to me an excellent business practice they have been using for quite a while that brings continued business from existing DVDO customers on top of new customers and permits resale (b-stock?) of the older units without the need to manufacture new ones.

This is not a new offer based on the VP50pro and as such cannot be used to support speculation that the offer in some way reflects upon so-called financial troubles with the pro version. This trade up program has existed for all levels of models for quite some time. You can get more details at the dvdo website.

At least, that is how I think it works. Looks like a win-win situation to me.

Hi to all,
I've just got a VP50 and it comes with software ver. 1.07. On DVDO's website there are only either 1.04 (production) or 1.06 (beta) releases and no info about mine, does anyone know the differences, bug fixes or new functionalities of this version?

Cheers.

Javier

Hi to all,
I've just got a VP50 and it comes with software ver. 1.07. On DVDO's website there are only either 1.04 (production) or 1.06 (beta) releases and no info about mine, does anyone know the differences, bug fixes or new functionalities of this version?

Cheers.

Javier


Wow! I wonder what's this all about. What are the enhancements, what issues does it address, etc....

Hi to all,
I've just got a VP50 and it comes with software ver. 1.07. On DVDO's website there are only either 1.04 (production) or 1.06 (beta) releases and no info about mine, does anyone know the differences, bug fixes or new functionalities of this version?

Cheers.

Javier

Since this appears to be a brand new version, maybe you could tell us. For instance, you wouldn't happen to see an option in the Input Adjust menu that says "Progressive Cadence Detection," would you? :cool:

Since this appears to be a brand new version, maybe you could tell us. For instance, you wouldn't happen to see an option in the Input Adjust menu that says "Progressive Cadence Detection," would you? :cool:

Got home late and then I had to remove the HD+ and get the SDI module out to plug it in the 50 first so I didn't have much time to play with it. Deinterlacing options are:

Auto, film bias, video mode, forced 3:2, forced 2:2, 2:2 even, 2:2 odd, game 1, game 2 and field scale.

v1.07 is the latest Production version of software for the VP50 which addresses some issues with the automation protocol. We expect to have v1.08 available next week in Public Beta which does incorporate the ability to turn Progressive Cadence Detection Off/On on a per input/per format basis. Both versions will be available on our website at the same time.

v1.07 is the latest Production version of software for the VP50 which addresses some issues with the automation protocol. We expect to have v1.08 available next week in Public Beta which does incorporate the ability to turn Progressive Cadence Detection Off/On on a per input/per format basis. Both versions will be available on our website at the same time.

Thx Josh.

Great news, Josh, thanks.

We expect to have v1.08 available next week in Public Beta which does incorporate the ability to turn Progressive Cadence Detection Off/On on a per input/per format basis.The news that gamers can enjoy full video quality without serious lag is indeed a huge relief. That was the very top item on my VP50 wishlist for a long time. It's still not a mythical perfect gaming dream processor, but it's no longer gaming-hostile either. Now I just have to keep waiting for perfection...

Great news. I've also been running my consoles in interlaced modes (with associated softness etc from Game Mode 1) for what feels like decades now ;)

Has anyone experienced failures with thV VP50? I have to return mine. I had an HDCP issue with my Pioneer VSX-91 I upgraded to to FW1.06 and still problems. Went back to 1.04 and it worked for 3 days. Now, it will not authenticate with my receiver. It will work with sources directly, but when interfacing with repeater devices it will not work.

I have not chagned my setup at all. It worked perfectly for almost six months and then started having problems.

I also switched out my VSX-91 with my brother-in-laws VSX-91 and still no HDCP authentication. Used a friends' Onkyo SR-605 and still no go.

In addition, the auto priority no longer works.

I am returning the unit, but this is my third DVDO replacement (two VP30s for various HW failures) and now this.

Anyone else have a similar problem or reliability issues with their DVDO products. This is getting ridiculous.

Hi Josh,

I seem to be issues with forced 2.2 mode,its exhibiting bad combing on 50hz material
settings are as follows,if it helps.

input ratio=16.9 and 4.3
Input res=576p 50hz-prep enabled

output ratio=1.77:1
output res=1080p 50hz RGB

pixel rate=150.822
line rate=57.000 khz

firmware is 1.06

I have tried normal settings,standard settings at the output format
but I cant seem to get it working correctly.

Are you able to tell me if Im doing something wrong?

Thanks

HTSteve,

I have had constant issues with the auto priority function,sometimes it works
and most times it dont,my VP is going back to the place of purchase tomorrow
to see if they can get it working correctly,just to make sure its not user error,but I dont see how it could be

Hi Josh,

I seem to be issues with forced 2.2 mode,its exhibiting bad combing on 50hz material
settings are as follows,if it helps.

input ratio=16.9 and 4.3
Input res=576p 50hz-prep enabled

output ratio=1.77:1
output res=1080p 50hz RGB

pixel rate=150.822
line rate=57.000 khz

firmware is 1.06

I have tried normal settings,standard settings at the output format
but I cant seem to get it working correctly.

Are you able to tell me if Im doing something wrong?

Thanks

What sort of 50Hz material? Forced 2:2 is for film (and very reliable 2:2 cadence film like BluRay) only. 576p sources are typically DVD which you should really use Film Bias mode when you know it's film or Auto if it's unknown or mixed.

avrtRick,

Definitely not user error. I have used it with no problems for 6 months. The display on the front of the VP50 went wacky and it really has not been right since.

I have made no equipment changes or setup changes. What once worked perfectly, no longer works.

I went to FW1.06 with no success. Went back to FW1.04 and it worked for 3days - even the autopriority (After I made SDI #1, and my HDMI sources #2 and #3).

After 3 days, it is back to no autopriority and HDCP errors, where it will not work with my AVR.

I have a very simple setup, one SDI source and two HDMI sources.

IT will be in the mail on Monday.

What sort of 50Hz material? Forced 2:2 is for film (and very reliable 2:2 cadence film like BluRay) only. 576p sources are typically DVD which you should really use Film Bias mode when you know it's film or Auto if it's unknown or mixed.

Thanks choddo,

I was wondering what I was doing wrong.
however,last night I did realise that it was not on the right settings.
(I had to look on the piece of paper where I keep note of all my settings
and did see that this was not right)

The only modes I use is video,film bias,and auto,
"video" for my dvr and "film bias" and "auto" for the dvd player(material dependant)

These are what I use most
dvd player:oppo 980h set to output 576i
Digitalview DVR810 set to native(although it does i/p conversion on 576i and pipes out p)

STRANGE BEHAVIOUR
I thought this was user error,but late last night the vp switched back to forced 2.2 and would not let me change it
It took powering down the vp(pulling the plug out at the wall)to be able to change this.

The last time I had problems was nearly 3 months ago,the pixel clock was not right(the output stated 1080p but the clock was too low) and the vp was not detecting the differance between 576p signal and a 1080i signal and I had to power it down at the wall as well.

On the odd occasion it goes a little balmy(then I do:eek:)

After I got it going correctly(at 1am) I watched "BELOW" and it was absolutely fantastic:)


HTSteve

I really would like to get the auto priority working properly for my sources
LG HDD dvd recorder,component
Oppo 980h,hdmi
xbox360,component,normal xbox, compisite
dvr810 hdmi
Samsung hd stb,hdmi
Kenwood 5disc dvd player,component
and an LG vcr(yea, thats right hehe)compisite

I always deal with the owner of the my local av specialist store but he's on a two week holiday at the moment
so I have to wait until he gets back to (I also want to buy The Rotel rsp1069 and get a great price)address this problem

Glad you got that sorted. One other thing; I also use an Oppo 980H and Dale posted on here a while back that he'd found a conflict in the way the 980H generates a 480i / 576i signal over HDMI (doesn't just double the pixels, it does some sort of filtering) and the vp50 handling of that signal which occasionally means it uses the wrong set of pixels.

Don't know if that's going to be addressed in this upcoming 1.08 release but since I read that, I've been using 480p/576p and switched on PREP.

Glad you got that sorted. One other thing; I also use an Oppo 980H and Dale posted on here a while back that he'd found a conflict in the way the 980H generates a 480i / 576i signal over HDMI (doesn't just double the pixels, it does some sort of filtering) and the vp50 handling of that signal which occasionally means it uses the wrong set of pixels.

Don't know if that's going to be addressed in this upcoming 1.08 release but since I read that, I've been using 480p/576p and switched on PREP.

I think Dale was using a 970H.

I did read that,but I dont seem to have experienced any bad with that combo as yet.
but I will try 576p with prep enabled and see if theres any difference

I do wonder if this new firmware will refresh the auto priority and some of the other little issues I have been having,1.frame shifting
vertically and horizontally 2 or 3 times a day in the last few months,2.lip sync does not seem to work,but if you know
a way that I can be certain that this is the case,I can only use the WINHD channel in my area to try this,and even though its only out by
a little the vp is not able to correct it.

Would it be possible to set an audio delay within the oppo and try to to correct it with the vp?
thats the only other way I can think of.

the lock-up im not to worried about as its rare(but two glitches in 30 hours,one simple and one that needed to pull the plug and a hard reset)

The vp is going back to the place of purchase next week,but I will wait and see what the new firmware does.

I think Dale was using a 970H.

Your'e right (a 970HD) - Something felt wrong about that model number as I typed it in but I went with it anyway :) sorry for the mis-guidance. Although I guess it's possible the 980H works the same way?

Your'e right (a 970HD) - Something felt wrong about that model number as I typed it in but I went with it anyway :) sorry for the mis-guidance. Although I guess it's possible the 980H works the same way?

I'm not 100% sure but I think the 970 and 980 use different chips for HDMI, the former using two separate chips and the latter a integrated chipset. Thats the reason the 980 cannot be SDI'ed or at least thats what I've been told.

Your'e right (a 970HD) - Something felt wrong about that model number as I typed it in but I went with it anyway :) sorry for the mis-guidance. Although I guess it's possible the 980H works the same way?

I asked Oppo support about this. They acknowledged this problem for the 970 but said that the 980 is not affected.