New DVDO iScan VP50 [Text View] - Page 25

d.j.

04-25-08, 09:22 AM

Josh or Dale

Just to be clear, is it correct, that the gamma control in the output menu is working opposite ? say you raise the gamma control to "1.2" for all 3 colors, then the gamma on screen gets lower ? ( thats how it work in my setup, but it could be me, who is doing something wrong ).

If it is correct, is there any special reason for it to be that way ? ( I would have thought, that raising the control would raise the gamma on screen ! ).

BTW. when adjusting say 0.1 down (or up) ( eks. from 1.0 to 0.9 ) how much dos it change the gamma value ? ( say you have a gamma value of 2.2 at "1.0" - dos it then go up to 2.3 ? ).

TIA

dj

Hey Josh
Nice to see, that there is still coming new updates - fine touch :) can you say anything about if there are plans about to make the gamma adjusting more fine ? and please see the above question too - thanks.
I have to say, that I'm really like my VP50 and it just getting better and better , thanks ABT.

A last question for you or Dale, I think there have been talk about before, but I cant find it :
I have the blu-ray DVE and when I test the 601/709 color bars in that with the color bar test picture from the VP50, it´s clear that the colorbar is "601" ( SD color´s ) in the VP50 , do it has a "709" (HD) colorbar ? if not, can we get one ? or is it me, who has done something wrong in my setup ? ( from PS3 with component ( 1080i / 60 ) to VP50 and then to CRT projector with RGBHV 1080P / 48 ) ?

Thanks

dj

Hothersale

04-25-08, 04:10 PM

We expect to have v1.08 available next week in Public Beta which does incorporate the ability to turn Progressive Cadence Detection Off/On on a per input/per format basis. Both versions will be available on our website at the same time.

The week is almost over -- any chance you are going to release the new versions today? I've got the VP disconnected right now, so it would be most convenient timing for me.... ;)

YoungOne

04-25-08, 07:20 PM

Hey guys ive got a quick question. Ive got an opportunity to get a vp50 and a benq w5000 together in a package new for $3000. I already have a receiver that will do 1.3 and will be taking the output out of it into the processor. Would the package be a good deal? I plan to do a CIH setup. Any input on this would be appreciated. I usually would research this myself, but i need to make a quick decision on this.

Hothersale

04-25-08, 08:03 PM

YoungOne

04-25-08, 09:00 PM

Yea the projector can be had online for $2499 here in the states. So basically that puts me paying about $500 for the processor. I really want to know if the vp50pro is that much of a step above the vp50.

d.j.

04-26-08, 08:14 AM

YoungOne

I do not know the projector, so that can I not guide you about that - but the VP50 for 500 dollar looks like a steal for me :-) .................( here it cost for a new, still around 3500 dollar and the pro 4500,- !! )

I do think that the VP50Pro is better ( dont have it ) but not much, mostly if you need MNR ( noise reduction ) and that is most a problem in SD sources, not HD.
The guy´s in the VP50Pro tread are probely the best to answer that question, because most of them have had both.

Good luck with the buy ;-)

dj

choddo2006

04-28-08, 06:46 PM

Any ETA update on 1.08 Josh? :)

ailean

04-29-08, 10:23 AM

Any ETA update on 1.08 Josh? :)

Think this maybe a classic DVDO 'late April' release, meaning sometime before middle of May-ish. ;)

flyingvee

04-29-08, 12:14 PM

Think this maybe a classic DVDO 'late April' release, meaning sometime before middle of May-ish. ;)

meaning its a dang good thing that mine is already working pretty well. I still get an occasional glitch/stutter/tear when watching HD on my cable box. which, if I remember from a few hundred pages back ;) has to do with me running 60 hz locked. but otherwise, no real problems. should this update fix the stutter, that'd be cool. but overall, what it does, it's doing well.

(sure, would like finer gamma; still wish it had the noise reduction - tho now my PS3 has it; but overall, pretty usable box)

Josh@dvdo

04-29-08, 12:40 PM

Think this maybe a classic DVDO 'late April' release, meaning sometime before middle of May-ish. ;)

If the "middle of May-ish" is coming by the end of today then you would be correct. :rolleyes:

keenan

04-29-08, 01:09 PM

If the "middle of May-ish" is coming by the end of today then you would be correct. :rolleyes:

Don't say that, I'll have missed paying a lot of bills if that's the case. :p

splinters

04-29-08, 02:36 PM

If the "middle of May-ish" is coming by the end of today then you would be correct. :rolleyes:

woo hoo! Does that mean x-mas is coming next week? :D

-Splints

Axel

04-29-08, 03:05 PM

If the "middle of May-ish" is coming by the end of today then you would be correct. :rolleyes:

Great news!!
While we are waiting for the 'end of today' to come, we could use the time and check out the change log... Josh, any chance you could either post it here or post a link to it?:)
____
Axel

JavierS

04-29-08, 03:21 PM

Axel

04-29-08, 05:56 PM

If anyone is in a hurry just copy paste this in you browser

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/update/vp50.beta_agreement.1.07.php

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/update/vp50.beta_agreement.1.08.php

Cheers.

From the website:

"...
iScan VP50 1.08 Beta Software (April 24, 2008)
Thank you for your interest in the iScan VP50 1.08 beta software. This software applies to iScan VP50 models only, and must not be loaded into HD, HD+, VP20, VP30, or VP50PRO units.
This Beta version contains the following new feature:
Progressive Cadence Detection On/Off
This version supports the ability to turn Progressive Cadence Detection On and Off. Progressive Cadence Detection is beneficial when the input frame rate and output frame rate are different. For example, if the input frame rate is 60Hz and the content is film-based (24fps) and the output frame rate is set to 24Hz (or a multiple of 24) than this feature should be set to on...."

____

Axel

choddo2006

04-29-08, 08:28 PM

Also, check the 1.07 update page, there's a bunch of stuff which wasn't in 1.06

* Fixed Automation Protocol so that menu options that have a negative value (such as Brightness and Contrast) are read back correctly.
* Added Automation commands for 24Hz and 25Hz Frame Rate Options
* Added Automation commands for Horizontal Shift
* Fixed intermittent audio drop-outs due to sources with high-jitter (completely new audio logic).
* Added HDMI Output Audio Mute routine to avoid "pops" and noise bursts while audio format is being determined.
* Changed HDMI output configuration routine to remove potential of audio output lock-up in the HDMI transmitter under certain conditions.
* Fixed failure of Discrete IR commands
* Fixed Line-Offset error after switching from High-def Component video (720p or 1080i) to HDMI input (480i-60Hz or 576i-50Hz).
* Corrected Info-Screen "No Signal" message when audio input is Analog, and "Unknown" message when audio over HDMI is compressed audio (will now display "Non-PCM").
* Corrected 1080p-24Hz output timings.
* Addressed Frame-Rate Conversion logic error which broke 48Hz and other frame rates (when input/output different), rendering video output unwatchable (very stuttery.)
* Addressed 24Hz output tearing issue in Frame Buffer logic, causing bottom portion of output video to very badly tear occasionally (done early since logic is related to above "new" bug).
* Addressed request to re-insert 2:2 Odd and 2:2 Even deinterlacer modes for customers with Sky-HD Service (Forced 2:2 option remains, and is operating fine for SD content)
* Addressed corner case where switching from PReP 1080p input to non-PReP interlaced input set to "Field Scaling" would result in 400% magnification (due to invalid progressive-source flag)
* Fixed the 1080i Tri-Sync bug
* Addressed Scaler limitation in limited scenarios by adding "Field Scale" Deinterlacing mode. This mode is only available when the input is 1080i and is only needed if the output format is less than 540p (for example VGA or 480p) or if a large value of "Underscan" is being used.
* Fixed remote control repeat bug
* Updated Automation Protocol
* Updated Standby Mode so that unit does not power down while scrolling through menus

avrtRick

04-30-08, 01:26 AM

Good to see new firmware on its way(I cant find it on there site though, yet)

Can some answer a couple of questions for me.

"Is IT" ok to do this via the link provided above,
&
If I just do firmware 1.08 will it provide the same features as 1.07 and 1.08?

Thanks very much

ailean

04-30-08, 03:32 AM

If the "middle of May-ish" is coming by the end of today then you would be correct. :rolleyes:

Thanks Josh! :)

Thinking about installing this and seeing all the automation fixes made me wonder if you are considering adding the save config feature that's appearing on the vp50pro? I've only got two sources on the vp now (rest going direct via new hdmi amp) but I may consider putting the non hd bitstream ones back and that'll mean a lot more settings to note on the next update (presuming you'll release some more ;) ).

avrtRick

04-30-08, 04:20 AM

Ok,

done firmware 1.08,so I answered my first question.
It took a while twice saying "corrupt file,third time was a charm:)

It took my display a little bit to sync up.

It did not refresh auto input detection(I know that it was not part of the new firmware,
but this confirms my vp is definitely functioning properly:()

Josh,

Upon getting my vp replaced and installing F/W 1.08,does that cover F/W1.07 as well?

Thanks

cinema mad

04-30-08, 05:17 AM

Yes V1.08 will contain the V1.07 features as well....

bizzibee

04-30-08, 07:47 AM

I'm hoping someone can help me with a issue I'm having with my new Iscan VP50. If the power to the Iscan VP50 is turned off. When the power is turned back on, all the input sources are scrambled. However all the internal Iscan VP50 menus display without any problems. The only way to fix the issue is to reset the VP50 back to factory defaults.

I unplug the Iscan VP50, and all my other gear because of lightning.

I noticed someone else asked this very same question in the very same thread but didn't get solution to the problem (as far as I could find). See:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10477217#post10477217

I'm running version 1.04 of the firmware.

Anyway, any input would be appreciated.

I'm going to email Anchor Bay about the issue.

avrtRick

04-30-08, 08:05 AM

Thanks cinema mad.

I did see it somewhere,but a while ago and I just wanted to make sure
that I was not confusing it for something else I have read.

Thanks once again

cinema mad

04-30-08, 08:53 AM

d.j.

04-30-08, 10:44 AM

If the "middle of May-ish" is coming by the end of today then you would be correct. :rolleyes:

Josh
Could you please look at post 6013 - now that we have you attention :D

I understand that the VP50Pro automatic send "709" out when outputtet is HD resolution ( 720 / 1080 ) and "601" colors when SD resolution ( 480 / 576 ) correct ? .....do or can the VP50 that ?

thanks for any respons :)

dj

mike_orst

04-30-08, 12:28 PM

Josh@dvdo

04-30-08, 12:31 PM

Josh,

Upon getting my vp replaced and installing F/W 1.08,does that cover F/W1.07 as well?

As confirmed by others, all previous features/bugs fixes are supported in subsequent versions so there is no reason to load multiple versions.

Josh@dvdo

04-30-08, 12:33 PM

Thinking about installing this and seeing all the automation fixes made me wonder if you are considering adding the save config feature that's appearing on the vp50pro?

We have no plans to add the save/restore feature to the VP50.

mgavsf

04-30-08, 07:20 PM

bizzibee

04-30-08, 09:55 PM

I would load the new V1.08 firmware and see if that resolves the issue if not take it up with Aaron at DVDO....

I've emailed Anchorbay at help@anchorbaytech.com detailing the issue. Haven't had any response yet. This issue is not detailed in any of the Beta Firmware release notes. I have a Mac so I will need to do the firmware update using VMware's Fusion. Need a USB to Serial adapter that will work with both MAC & PC. Otherwise I'll just use my work Laptop.

Anyway I will also contact Aaron as he is the person I purchased the VP50 from.

I have the same problem if at any time an HDMI input gets disconnected. Once it's reconnected I get all video scrambled except for the menus. A hard reset is required since even an unplug does not fix it. I upgraded from 1.01 to 1.04 with no upgrades in between.

Glad I'm not the only one with the issue. I don't mean I'm glad you have the issue. I'm just glad that the problem isn't just restricted to me.

Have you upgraded Firmware to V1.08?

Thanks!

cinema mad

05-01-08, 03:39 AM

Josh
Could you please look at post 6013 - now that we have you attention :D

I understand that the VP50Pro automatic send "709" out when outputtet is HD resolution ( 720 / 1080 ) and "601" colors when SD resolution ( 480 / 576 ) correct ? .....do or can the VP50 that ?

thanks for any respons :)

djI have the VP50pro and no matter what res I send to the VP50pro,
be it SD or HD I can select 601 or 709 in the output menu when selecting YcBcR output type,or input menu when YcBcR is sent .

ailean

05-01-08, 03:45 AM

We have no plans to add the save/restore feature to the VP50.

Thank you for the response Josh. Have loaded 1.08 and so far on the single source I've tried all seems to be working as before. I'll have a go at recalibrating my other source (SDI oppo) at the weekend but it'll take some rewiring to test the new stuff. :)

choddo2006

05-01-08, 06:20 AM

Is anyone else getting a strange problem on 1.08 where the Display Profiles menu option is greyed out?

martin1234567

05-01-08, 07:30 AM

Had same issue, all settings were lost after the update

turn on advanced user mode and it should be back

d.j.

05-01-08, 07:33 AM

I have the VP50pro and no matter what res I send to the VP50pro,
be it SD or HD I can select 601 or 709 in the output menu when selecting YcBcR output type,or input menu when YcBcR is sent .

Thanks Cinema mad :), but can you only select it, when you are sending YcBcR ? or can you do it to with RGBHV ? ( thats what I sent - have a CRT )
And as I understand it, is it when you select the output from the VP, it deside wich color space it use ( 720/1080 out = "709" ) ( 480/576 out = "601" ).
Dos the VP50pro automatic send the correct colorspace or do you have to set it manuel ? or dos it only depending af the output setting ?
I think that the vp50 do not do that and I think that it can not be selected - but maybe it could do it automatic, controled by the output setting !?
If not, it is a big + for VP50pro - because then will we VP50 owner never get the correct color with HD :confused: ( i think that sounds a little strange - so I thing I must be wrong on that asumption ....or what ? )

dj

choddo2006

05-01-08, 07:48 AM

Ah yes, Advanced mode. Of course! Thanks :)

cinema mad

05-01-08, 10:22 AM

Thanks Cinema mad :), but can you only select it, when you are sending YcBcR ? or can you do it to with RGBHV ? ( thats what I sent - have a CRT )
And as I understand it, is it when you select the output from the VP, it deside wich color space it use ( 720/1080 out = "709" ) ( 480/576 out = "601" ).
Dos the VP50pro automatic send the correct colorspace or do you have to set it manuel ? or dos it only depending af the output setting ?
I think that the vp50 do not do that and I think that it can not be selected - but maybe it could do it automatic, controled by the output setting !?
If not, it is a big + for VP50pro - because then will we VP50 owner never get the correct color with HD :confused: ( i think that sounds a little strange - so I thing I must be wrong on that asumption ....or what ? )

djYou can set the VP50pro to Auto select the correct color space/color type(601/709)RGB/Video/PC in the input menu this is what I do, or manualy select the color space to RGB:video/PC and or YcBcR 4:2:2/YcBcR 4:4:4 and select color type 601/709 for YcBcR only not RGB.For RGB you can select video or PC color type.
On the output side you manualy select the native color space and color type that best suits your display so as not to have the display convert it to its native color space, thus saving on unecessary color space conversions.
Basicly the VP50pro's menu is structured differantly to the VP50/30/20 in its input setup/output set up with seperaty adjustable tools that gives you much more power to adjust your source and display in the pursuit of A precise/closer to reference image.If you are using the 5 BNC you would set the VP50 to RGB/Video in the output menu,there is no such setting for 601/709 with RGB it is not needed, BTW I run A G70 CRT projector with Moome HDMI/gamma card I dont use my 5 BNC's any more....

choddo2006

05-01-08, 11:56 AM

Just a quick thanks to Josh, Dale & DVDO for sorting this cadence detection feature out. My Wii & 360 are very much loving their newfound crispness of image.

I did get a strange 4xmagnification effect once when changing from (I think) 1080p/60 to 1080i/60 from my EP30 but a quick on/off sorted it. I remember reading something like that in the release notes, so perhaps it lingers on?

avrtRick

05-01-08, 12:38 PM

Nathan_R

05-01-08, 01:23 PM

Has anyone with a VP50 run into problems with Mitsubishi x33 or x34 DLPs-- specifically a skewed 1080p60 output? I'm hoping if I spend another $2000 to move from my VP20 to a VP50, AB might return my support calls/emails again.

VVV Yeah, the atrocious level of support has turned me off of Anchor Bay yet again. I was hoping things had changed from their iScan HD days, but alas, I see nothing has changed.

DonoMan

05-01-08, 01:54 PM

choddo2006

05-01-08, 01:58 PM

cinema mad,or anyone

Please pardon my stupidity:o(im a builder by trade and know nothing about electronics accepet connecting my gear and what I see and here)

On the color side of things, 601SD and 709HD color type!
Is this something you can select in a menu somewhere?

cinema mad
I ask this because you give reference in the above post about selecting this in the input menu or output menu(I do understand that you were referring
to the pro where you have this choice)

Or,is it just by using my avia or dve disc and matching the color bar in the test pattern on the vp?

I do sincerely apologise for some of the very stupid questions I ask
Im just trying to get as much knowledge of this peice of equipment(and other toys)as I possibly can

Thanks
An SD source would normally use colourspace 601 (when using YPbPr or YCbCr as opposed to RGB) and an HD source would normally use 709

A screen would expect to receive the same. So these are menu options to force the scaler to expect one (on the input side) and force it to transmit one (on the output side) if for any reason it's not handled properly automatically.

... is my interpretation.

choddo2006

05-01-08, 02:00 PM

Go with a Lumagen if you're upgrading IMO.

Do we really need that in the vp50 thread? And which Luma do you mean anyway?

DonoMan

05-01-08, 02:01 PM

Do we really need that in the vp50 thread?

Why not? As an owner of a VP50, I am sharing with him the "I wish I went for Lumagen" feeling that I have often felt. DVDO has bad support and abandons their old products. Even us VP50 owners have been pretty left behind since the pro came out.

d.j.

05-01-08, 06:08 PM

Why not? As an owner of a VP50, I am sharing with him the "I wish I went for Lumagen" feeling that I have often felt. DVDO has bad support and abandons their old products. Even us VP50 owners have been pretty left behind since the pro came out.

I think ( speak only for my self of cause :)) that it is OK to suggest other products, but maybe you should tell him why YOU think it is better - then he can self decide if it is something for him.;)

I do not agree with you about DVDO/ABT support is bad in general - both Josh and Dale have been a big help in many cases for a lot of people in here - in some cases even with things who have noting to do with their product.
In my personally case, specially Dale have been a huge help, and I thank him very much, and think he is pure gold :D for me AND ABT ( I really like his technical brain, good and honest answering - "easy" and clear way to tell things and an "relative objective" look at everything.

And I do not feel that we are been left behind yet - we have just received two new updates ( 1.07 and 1.08 ) - I think that we getting some software updates because of the Pro ( some things they make for the Pro, can / and have been or will be implanted in the VP50 to - just see the "cadence on/off thing, it did come to the Pro first and now it is here to :))

BTW I cant speak for support by phone by ABT, because I have never had the need for it - Dale and Josh have almost cleared all my questions and "problems" in here :D

Just my 4 cent :)

dj

d.j.

05-01-08, 06:41 PM

Cinema mad and avrtRick
An excample maybe makes it clearer what my "problem" is :

If I take the DVE dvd and put it in my PS3 ( 576i in and 768P or 1080P out of the scaler ) and then adjust the colors with the (1/2) colorbar test picture in the VP50 and the same color bar in the dvd, then they can be match almost 100 % ( = the correct colors in SD "601" is displayet on my screen ).
But if I take the blu-ray DVE via my PS3 ( 1080i in and 1080P out of the scaler ) with the same test pictures - they dont match on screen and can not be adjusted to ( the green osw. is way of ) this is indicating ( my gess ) that the colorspace/bar the PS3 is sending correct from the disk is HD (709) and the scaler correct sends that out too, but the testpicture bar inside the VP50 ( who you want use to compare and match the HD colorbar ) is still SD colorspace (601).
If thats correct, then I have no way to adjust the HD colors and know I have set it 100% correct !
Hope that it make sense to you and anybody els !?

dj

avrtRick

05-02-08, 08:34 AM

I got the auto detect working although I dont know if it is supposed to work backwards

By this I mean I start with the SDI input(But dont have one installed)and number that as "1" and work my way backwards and number HDMI inputs 12 11 10 9 and so on with all inputs.

cinema mad,
Thanks for your assistance in trying to help me understand about the color.
I do understand the color space,its just the numbers

So, would I be right in saying that its the color space that is an option(I know that is) to select and not the numbers?

And if that is wrong,where these numbers displayed?

I am sorry dj

My knowledge of this is very limited and I dont think I could be of much assistance
to your situation as I am trying o get bmy head around this as well.

One other problem I am having is that when switching between 60hz material and 50hz
the vp is not automatically switching to the right output.
This used to swicth automatically.
Have I forgotten a setting somewhere?

I appreciate all the help people can provide
Thanks
Rick

avrtRick

05-02-08, 10:00 AM

Scratch that
forgot to switch "auto" to ON in the display profile menu!!

Still having the frame geometry shifting problem, does anyone else have that?

d.j.

05-02-08, 03:50 PM

DonoMan

05-02-08, 04:01 PM

choddo2006

05-02-08, 04:31 PM

The Radiance is far more expensive than the vp50 though. And 2 years newer. Is it even officially out of Beta yet?

sidb

05-02-08, 04:55 PM

When they get our problems with old video game systems fixed, my opinion of them will go up a bit. 'til then, I'll regret going DVDO. Even if they fix it, I'll still drool over the Lumagen Radiance and its GOOD noise reduction, not the false advertised NR in the VP50 (missing) and the very basic NR in the Pro.I went back and read the entire Radiance thread when the VP50 Pro came out and for a couple months after. I ultimately decided to not buy anything at that time, but to strongly consider a Radiance when it got out of beta, or at least when certain proposed gaming features were implemented. Since then, I haven't kept up--I don't know whether Lumagen has finished those features yet. I have to say, though, that ABT finally(!) fixing the VP50 progressive cadence lag bug probably kept my next upgrade from definitely being a Radiance just on principle. Now, I'll at least consider the VP60 or whatever when the time comes (with some nice upgrade/preorder pricing).

DonoMan

05-02-08, 04:55 PM

The Radiance is far more expensive than the vp50 though. And 2 years newer. Is it even officially out of Beta yet?

That's why I said I'll drool over it, not that I will wish I bought it instead of the VP50, because it wasn't out when I bought the VP50. It's not that much more expensive than getting a VP50pro new, though. Of course, we could use the upgrade program, but if I spend that kind of money, I'd rather get better NR, and I would thus probably just get an Algolith Mosquito or Flea instead of changing the VP50.

Nathan_R

05-02-08, 08:03 PM

Retracted. Finally got a callback 10 minutes after posting about this issue, but they left me high and dry. :( I will never buy another DVDO product again.

Jeff_in_SF

05-03-08, 01:22 AM

[QUOTE=avrtRick;13777947]Scratch that
forgot to switch "auto" to ON in the display profile menu!!

Still having the frame geometry shifting problem, does anyone else have that?[/QUOTE

With different input resolutions you will have different timings ( meaning that the picture will be bigger/smaller and shifted to the left or right - go into the format, pick user ,adjust the front/back poch evt. H. sync so the geometry test picture fits perfect, then memo it as a display profile and auto on it - then it will pick the right output profile and geometry every time you input that resolution to an input ( I think, I got it right :D )

BTW Rick, I think you are doing very well, with this not so known stuff:)

601 and 709 is the name for SD color standard and HD color standard - and I cant find them in the VP50 ( sadly ) to set/ change.
RGB and YCbCr are how color are send as signals ( RGB = red,green and blue signals who are mix to all other colors )
( YCbCr is Y= luminance= black/white signal and the Cb and Cr is color difference
signals ( crominans - blue and crominans - red )
these are to adjust in the output section in the VP50.
If you did knows this already, I apologize:o

dj
By chance do you have a Sony tv? I've noticed that same thing and it drove me crazy but I noticed one day that if I selected random Display profiles 1, then 2, etc. - and then selected the one that I thought wasn't saving the geometry/shift info, the profile would actually display correctly on my tv. I did some reading and I scarcely remember something in the Sony tech manuals saying that the TV saved timing data for each resolution (480i/480p, 720p, 1080i) to to clear the timing data for a given resolution you had to cycle through a few times until it does so (hope that makes sense) FWIW.

bizzibee

05-03-08, 03:21 AM

I would load the new V1.08 firmware and see if that resolves the issue...

O.K. I updated to the V1.08 firmware and it "appears" to have resolved the issue inputs being scrambled after he power is disconnected from the VP50.

..It took a while twice saying "corrupt file,third time was a charm:)

Mine took 3 times as well. The first time it said corrupt file too. second time, just failed.

I didn't have issues updating the firmware. Worked first time. However it took a long time to do the firmware transfer. But then again it was a 7.2MB file and at 57600 I'm not surprised.

Anyway thanks for the suggestion of the new V1.08 firmware. I'm surprised the issue isn't mentioned in the bug fixes for any of the firmware updates after the V1.04 firmware.

avrtRick

05-03-08, 05:16 AM

[QUOTE=d.j.;13781098]
By chance do you have a Sony tv? I've noticed that same thing and it drove me crazy but I noticed one day that if I selected random Display profiles 1, then 2, etc. - and then selected the one that I thought wasn't saving the geometry/shift info, the profile would actually display correctly on my tv. I did some reading and I scarcely remember something in the Sony tech manuals saying that the TV saved timing data for each resolution (480i/480p, 720p, 1080i) to to clear the timing data for a given resolution you had to cycle through a few times until it does so (hope that makes sense) FWIW.

jeff_in_SF

My display is a Sony KDS60R2000 and this problem is driving me "NUTS",I will try your suggestion and see if that helps
I also have checked in the format user menu and the values have saved so I guess the problem could be with the Sony:(

Hi dj

I only output 1080p50hz or 1080p60hz whem using my xbox360
IT only happens sometimes though, but enough to be annoying.

I have adjusted the front and back porches BUT did not adjust H and V syncs which is probably where my problem has spawned from:o

I will try this tonight with the above suggestion also.

Just a recap
I tried to adjust the H &V syncs but the screen says unsupported signal,so I adjusted the front and back porches again
and saved the new settings and then tried switching between SD and HD(thats where the problem usually occurs)
and all seems to be working as it should.

Thanks for all your help Guys,very much appreciated

mike_orst

05-03-08, 09:40 AM

I recently upgraded to the 1.08 firmware and decided to also rewire my setup to take advantage of the lipsync. Previously I was sending my PS3 signal directly to my receiver, then to the VP50, then to my projector. I changed my setup to go from PS3->Denon 4806->Panasonic AE1000U.

However after doing this and running the PS3 audio setup (HDMI) and selecting Auto-detect, I noticed the PS3 only detects support for 5.1 audio. When the PS3 is connected directly to my reciever is detect the receiver supports 7.1 audio. (FYI... Everything is HDMI 1.1)

Anyone know of plans to fix this? Can I override the automatic detection and force the PS3 to also support 7.1?

Thanks,
Mike

Jeff_in_SF

05-03-08, 07:11 PM

[QUOTE=Jeff_in_SF;13784479]

jeff_in_SF

My display is a Sony KDS60R2000 and this problem is driving me "NUTS",I will try your suggestion and see if that helps
I also have checked in the format user menu and the values have saved so I guess the problem could be with the Sony:(

Another anomaly about the Sony I noticed is if you make adjustments to the Sony's Game Picture setting (user menu item that lets you shift the picture horizontally left and right) and then change Display Profiles on the VP. To get the 1 pixel wide frame on the Frame Geometry pattern to fit precisely, I use a combination of the Sony's Game Picture and the VP50's Horizontal Shift. I tweak my TV every now and then and noticed that there might be some sort of Sony memory function that saves the combination of your VP's timing/position settings vs. the Game Picture setting. For example, if I have edge to edge w/ +2 on Game Picture and then start tweaking the VP (which usually means I have to tweak Game Picture again to get edge-to-edge), if I go back to the VP settings that first got me edge to edge w/ Game Pic at +2, the Frame Geo pattern won't at first line up edge to edge. I don't know for sure if it's something with the Sony or the VP but the solution for me has been to set Game Pic at the +2 setting that first got me edge to edge, and then do the aforementioned Display Profile cycling and then the pattern will be aligned again.

I don't know if it's this apparent memory function of the Sony that is extremely frustrating, but when trying to figure out the right timing settings it seems slight timing tweaks to a given resolution like 720P won't snap unless the first set of 720P timing parameters are cleared out of the TV's memory by changing to a 480P or 1080i resolution setting. If you discover any Sony tweaks or want to compare notes, lemme know.

Axel

05-03-08, 11:02 PM

Mine took 3 times as well. The first time it said corrupt file too. second time, just failed.

I have been trying all evening to get 1.08 installed. I must be close to 10 trials by now - still getting the file corruption messages - always at different stages of the download. Thus far I have tried 2 different computers, Barry's and the Tera Term Pro utility, re-downloading the file, USB/serial and straight serial connections.

How frustrating!! I think it is time for me to call it a night and try it tomorrow again.

DVDO's F/W upgrades have always been a challenge for me.:mad::mad:

I would appreciate any suggestions how I could get it to work.

Thanks!
_____
Axel

avrtRick

05-03-08, 11:25 PM

jeff_in_SF

It looks as if I spoke too soon ,as the problem is still there.
I will now try your above suggestion and see if that helps,and the other thing I will also try is to lower the H&V syncs on the vp to see if that helps,also

I wont mind much if I can get it down to juist once a day,(like it is now) but not having to readjust it would be even better
.
It used to change most times when switching between SD and HD(as stated) but now it only happens when everything is powered down.
If all else fails I will change to the second HDMI input on the Sony and see if that helps
though its probably unlikely.

Are you able to tell me the best way to adjust the front and back porches,by that I mean should I adjust them one step at a time,( thats how I done it )horizontal: front 1, back 1 then vertical:front 1,back 1 and repeat the process again until they are as high as they can go

I was told to stay out of these settings(but you wont learn nothing if you dont ask and try,if that makes sense) but I do find that it provides a better picture the higher the pixel clock and can easily tell
the differenc between the normal 1080p50h(standard setting of the vp to output) and the one set by myself in the format user menu.

I will state that the problem is with both settings(standard and user)
Thanks

avrtRick

05-04-08, 12:25 AM

I have been trying all evening to get 1.08 installed. I must be close to 10 trials by now - still getting the file corruption messages - always at different stages of the download. Thus far I have tried 2 different computers, Barry's and the Tera Term Pro utility, re-downloading the file, USB/serial and straight serial connections.

How frustrating!! I think it is time for me to call it a night and try it tomorrow again.

DVDO's F/W upgrades have always been a challenge for me.:mad::mad:

I would appreciate any suggestions how I could get it to work.

Thanks!
_____
Axel

I cant burn S/W or F/W onto a disc but I do find doing the firmware updates
rather painless and do think that it is very USER FRIENDLY.

Just try it a couple more times and if your still having problems,take it in to your place of purchase and get them to do it for you

Sorry to hear about your troubles though.

Jeff_in_SF

I just looked at my display and "GAME MODE" is not available,but I also looked
at my display position in the Sony menu(where they show the four yellow corner peices)and the values there are "10"for the vertical and "2" for horizontal

Would that affect the vp's timing parameters?(I shouldn't think so but...)

avrtRick

05-04-08, 12:58 AM

dj

I found the color matrix setting in the sony menu today(though I do vaguely remember seeing these a while back and did not know what it was for)
It is set to auto,but I dont think it makes no difference since I want the vp to only output 1080p,so im stuck with 709 color no matter what

Thanks for explaining it to me.My knowledge is growing:D

bizzibee

05-04-08, 06:33 AM

I have been trying all evening to get 1.08 installed. I must be close to 10 trials by now - still getting the file corruption messages - always at different stages of the download...

....I would appreciate any suggestions how I could get it to work.

Thanks!
_____
Axel

This is what I did. I had no problems uploading the firmware to my VP50 first time.

Firstly set your COM port to the correct settings in Windows. This example is for Windows XP and assumes you're using COM1.

Click 'Start', 'Settings', 'Control Panel', Then Select 'System', 'Hardware Tab', 'Device Manager'. Go to 'Ports (COM & LPT)' and expand. Double click on 'Communications Port (COM1)'. Then select 'Port Settings'.

Ensure you set as follows:

Bits per second: 57600
Data bits: 8
Parity: None
Stop bits: 1
Flow control: Hardware

Click OK and exit out.

Make sure that your Iscan VP50's Serial Port has been set to 57600 before running the the Tera Term Pro software on the computer. To check this do the following.

On the VP50 Press the 'Menu' button

Select 'Configuration'
Select 'Serial Port Rate'
Select '57600'

Note: The factory default is not 57600

Run the Tera Term Pro program and follow these instructions:

Run Tera Term Pro from the Program Menu

Select 'Terminal' from the Setup menu

Change the 'Transmit' setting from 'CR' to 'CR+LF'

Click 'OK'

Select 'Serial Port' from the Setup menu

With COM1 Selected, Change the 'Flow Control' to 'Hardware'

Ensure the following are set as follows:

Bits per second: 57600
Data bits: 8
Parity: None
Stop bits: 1

Click 'OK', the serial port setup is completed

Tera Term Pro is now ready to send the software file (.abt) to the iScan

Taken from:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/vp.php

Anyway I hope this helps you.

CCONKLIN1

05-04-08, 07:57 AM

I have always had good luck with the dvdo updates while using a computer with a serial connection. anytime I would try one of the usb converters it would fubar everything for me. Now, that being said, it did take me TWO tries before 1.08 would install. I was going from 1.06. Good luck..
Chris

Axel

05-04-08, 08:36 AM

This is what I did. I had no problems uploading the firmware to my VP50 first time.

Firstly set your COM port to the correct settings in Windows. This example is for Windows XP and assumes you're using COM1.

Click 'Start', 'Settings', 'Control Panel', Then Select 'System', 'Hardware Tab', 'Device Manager'. Go to 'Ports (COM & LPT)' and expand. Double click on 'Communications Port (COM1)'. Then select 'Port Settings'.

Ensure you set as follows:

Bits per second: 57600
Data bits: 8
Parity: None
Stop bits: 1
Flow control: Hardware

Click OK and exit out.

Make sure that your Iscan VP50's Serial Port has been set to 57600 before running the the Tera Term Pro software on the computer. To check this do the following.

On the VP50 Press the 'Menu' button

Select 'Configuration'
Select 'Serial Port Rate'
Select '57600'

Note: The factory default is not 57600

Run the Tera Term Pro program and follow these instructions:

Run Tera Term Pro from the Program Menu

Select 'Terminal' from the Setup menu

Change the 'Transmit' setting from 'CR' to 'CR+LF'

Click 'OK'

Select 'Serial Port' from the Setup menu

With COM1 Selected, Change the 'Flow Control' to 'Hardware'

Ensure the following are set as follows:

Bits per second: 57600
Data bits: 8
Parity: None
Stop bits: 1

Click 'OK', the serial port setup is completed

Tera Term Pro is now ready to send the software file (.abt) to the iScan

Taken from:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/vp.php

Anyway I hope this helps you.

Thanks bizzibee,
I finally got it to work with a straight serial connection and Tera Term Pro. I just kept trying and trying..... Everything looks good now!

I looked over the steps and settings above. This was how I have been trying it ever since the VP50 came out. However, with one exception and this may have caused the problem: I had not adjusted the COM settings in the XP device manager - I was solely relying on TTP (or Barry utility) for those settings. I'll try to keep this mind for 1.09 :D
____
Axel

bizzibee

05-04-08, 07:14 PM

Thanks bizzibee,
I finally got it to work with a straight serial connection and Tera Term Pro. I just kept trying and trying..... Everything looks good now!

I looked over the steps and settings above. This was how I have been trying it ever since the VP50 came out. However, with one exception and this may have caused the problem: I had not adjusted the COM settings in the XP device manager - I was solely relying on TTP (or Barry utility) for those settings. I'll try to keep this mind for 1.09 :D
____
Axel

Glad to hear it finally worked in the end.

choddo2006

05-05-08, 07:19 PM

Jeff_in_SF

05-06-08, 12:47 AM

Jeff_in_SF

I just looked at my display and "GAME MODE" is not available,but I also looked
at my display position in the Sony menu(where they show the four yellow corner peices)and the values there are "10"for the vertical and "2" for horizontal

Would that affect the vp's timing parameters?(I shouldn't think so but...)

With my set, it's labeled Game Picture but sounds like Sony changed the name of the feature in your set - it's basically a shift function on the TV that lets you move the picture horizontally or vertically to center the image. On my set, when the tv receives a resolution greater than 480p, it will only allow adjustment of the horizontal picture. Sounds like you have a bit more capability to adjust the picture position on your set. I'd try using the set's controls first and if it doesn't line everything up exactly, then make your additional adjustments to the picture position using the VP50. On my tv, 1 click of the VP's horizontal shift is equivalent to about 1.5 to 2 clicks of the Sony's shift.

Regarding adjustments to the porch settings, my tv is an XBR and allows a pretty wide range of adjustments as long as I keep the Horizontal Scan rate below 46khz. Not sure if yours is similar but you should be able to adjust the porches in any increment as long as your stopping in between your adjustments to review their impact on the test patterns. First goal is to get the vertical and horizontal line patterns to display without any banding - that tells you the necessary pixel clock, horizontal scan rate and vertical refresh that your set likes best (assuming one of the stock DVDO formats doesn't work). Adjust only the horizontal size up/down one or 2 clicks at a time to see if you can eliminate any banding. Then do vertical.

Once you have those patterns displaying correctly, go to the Frame Geometry pattern and try using the underscan to get the whole outline of the pattern visible at the 4 edges of your tv. That didn't happen for me w/ all resolutions so I'd make sure that the top and bottom edges were within view using Underscan, and then I went back and either subtracted from the porches and added to the Horizontal Size, or subtracted from Horizontal Size and added to horizontal porches. Just remember to keep the sum total of the horizontal numbers the same so that the pixel clock doesn't change from the value where you got the Vertical Line pattern to look nice and smooth.

You can also try leaving all the porches and other timing numbers alone (once you've got the 1 pixel patterns nice and smooth) and see instead if you can get the Frame Geometry pattern outline visible by changing the Display Aspect Ratio. The DVDO literature is pretty poor and/or nonexistant in explaining whether it's better to use Underscan and adjust the porches/syncs, or if you should leave the timing numbers alone and just use a combo of underscan and the Display Aspect ratio to achieve the same thing. For tv's that are capable of displaying a picture with a wide variations of video timing signals, some guidance for the video enthusiast owners would be appreciated.

speters

05-06-08, 04:58 PM

I have my Motorola 6412 connected to the VP50 running v1.7. That is connected to the JVC RS1 using hdmi. I have always had the 4:3 override set to 480i. Then the other day I noticed that the sd material from the Motorola looked quit a bit sharper. I checked all of my settings on the VP50 and nothing had changed. So then I went into the 6412's menu and noticed that the 4:3 override was set to off. I changed it back to 480i and the picture was softer. Then I tried 480p from the 6412 and that was even sharper. I would have thought that sending a 480i signal from the 6412 would be sharper than letting the 6412 do the conversion to 1080i.

JavierS

05-07-08, 03:34 AM

I'm having a problem with my VP50 and my HTPC that I didn't have with my previous HD+.
When I send a 1080 resolution from the PC to the VP, be it p or i and both at any Hz, the lower part of the screen gets clipped and the tasks bar cannot be seen. The PC is exactly the same and with the same configuration that worked fine with the HD+ (I just had to play a little with underscan). I've tried playing with all available options and seems theres no way to fix it, also in input adjust I can only select Video levels (PC is greyed out) even if I set HDMI input format to manual.
720p or lower resolutions work just fine.
For the PC I'm using Vista x86 SP1, NVidia 8600GTS card and 163.69 drivers (they don't have the double expansion bug).
The VP50 has firm. 1.07

Any one with the same problem? any ideas?

avrtRick

05-07-08, 03:54 AM

Jeff_in_SF,

Thanks very much for your explanations and suggestions,all is working correctly now which is great.

It seems alot of people here have intimate knowledge of these sorts of timing parameters
from PC's and of dvdo products(which is of great help to people like myself)

Thanks once again for your time
Rick

Hothersale

05-07-08, 01:16 PM

JavierS

05-07-08, 01:33 PM

Have you tried setting the deinterlacing mode to "Field Scale"?

Not yet, will try tonight and see if it helps, if it doesn't will try latest beta drivres from NVidia (175.16). Will updating to 1.08b and setting cadence detection to OFF have any benefit provided that I ouput analogue YPbPr at 1080i@50/60 ?

Thx.

Edit:
====

When I got home I tried to select "Field Scale" only to find that, as I was using 1080p as output resolution in the PC Deinterlacing was greyed out in the menu, so... it'll have to be something else. New drivers didn't help either.
Another question, if anyone has a PC connected to their VP50 can you select "PC" in "Input Level"? mine is stuck in "Video" even tough it is correctly detected as RGB.

CraigN

05-08-08, 05:03 AM

This version supports the ability to turn Progressive Cadence Detection On and Off. Progressive Cadence Detection is beneficial when the input frame rate and output frame rate are different. For example, if the input frame rate is 60Hz and the content is film-based (24fps) and the output frame rate is set to 24Hz (or a multiple of 24) than this feature should be set to on.

I have installed 1.08 and all is working as with 1.06.

Except - the progressive cadence detection is greyed out and not functional.

I am trying to activate this for a 1080i 60Hz HD DVD input while outputting 1080p24 (which nevertheless works without the new feature)

Any ideas Josh?

peteS

05-08-08, 05:10 AM

CraigN

05-08-08, 07:11 AM

The clue is in the Progressive - you can only turn this on for a Progressive source - i.e. if your source was 1080p/60.

OK thanks for that. Anyway, I have the latest firmware installed but was pretty happy with 1.06.

mikefl52

05-08-08, 11:29 AM

I currently have a Hitachi 65XWX20B CRT RPTV which has DVI (with HDCP) input and I am thinking about getting a VP50 to process the source components before feeding them into my TV. I realize that since my TV is an analog display rather than a pixel display I will still have to do a last step of processing in the Hitachi. Flat panel TVs in the 65in range are still very expensive, though less so than a couple of years ago, so I am still waiting for the price so come down before plunging into that and then I would imagine that the VP50 would be even more beneficial.

My sources are:

Sony DVPCX777ES --> Escient SE-D1 which can output 480p or 480i over component
DirecTV HR20-700 which can output in native (480i/p, 720p or 1080i) depending upon the channel over HDMI
Xbox 360 which outputs 1080i over component
Denon DVD-3800BDCI which can output 1080i or 1080p over HDMI

At the moment I switch everything through my Anthem Statement D1 in analog form, but I was looking at changing that and including the VP50 in the video line and switching from component to HDMI for those sources that support it.

My assumption is that I should see an improvement in those sources that are not 1080i since I assume that the de-interlacer and scaler in the VP50 are better than those in the source components (except perhaps the BD player). Based upon what I have read I can also reduce the amount of overscan and that I can fine tune things using the VP50.

After this long introduction I finally have 3 questions:

1) Are any of my assumptions incorrect?

2) Is there any downside to what I am thinking of doing?

3) I notice that you can pick up a factory reconditioned or B-stock VP50 for quite a lot less than MSRP for a new one. Has anyone had problems with a reconditioned one?

Jeff_in_SF

05-08-08, 11:30 AM

Edit:
====

When I got home I tried to select "Field Scale" only to find that, as I was using 1080p as output resolution in the PC Deinterlacing was greyed out in the menu, so... it'll have to be something else. New drivers didn't help either.
Another question, if anyone has a PC connected to their VP50 can you select "PC" in "Input Level"? mine is stuck in "Video" even tough it is correctly detected as RGB.

You can select PC level for your input if you choose PC for the Output level. Choose PC level under Output Setup--Output Level, and then select Input Adjust--Output Level and select PC. Then switch inputs and select your TV or another input that isn't your computer, and go back and change your Output Setup--Output Level back to Video levels. I don't know why you have to go about it this way, but that's the only way I've found to do it.

JavierS

05-08-08, 01:19 PM

Thanks Jeff, I will try it as soon as I get home.
Do you also have the lower side of the screen cut out when outputting any 1080 resolution?

Jeff_in_SF

05-08-08, 07:26 PM

Thanks Jeff, I will try it as soon as I get home.
Do you also have the lower side of the screen cut out when outputting any 1080 resolution?

I have a cut-off bug of sorts but it's at the top and runs full width.

avrtRick

05-10-08, 05:55 AM

Has anyone noticed anything about the latest firmware that they can comment on
I will wait to confirm the issues that I am having,but would like to hear what other people have to say.

However, a shake of some sort(on the bottom half of the screen mostly,and sometimes at the top also) is the most apparent problem that I am experiencing(I have eliminated all other sources,so its exclusive to the vp)and it takes switching to another resolution(on the input side)to get rid of it,a problem that was never there with previous firmware
but arose immediately after 1.08

I will wait another week and post more after confirming the other problems im having
so I dont post things/problems that are incorrect.

Rick

TWD

05-11-08, 04:51 PM

I'm on V1.03. Can I upgrade directly to V1.08 or do I have to first upgrade to v1.04, then 1.05....and so on?

Axel

05-11-08, 04:56 PM

I'm on V1.03. Can I upgrade directly to V1.08 or do I have to first upgrade to v1.04, then 1.05....and so on?

You can go straight to the latest version. (You may want to jot down your setting before your do so as they are most likely to get reset to default.)
____
Axel

Catskinner

05-12-08, 02:45 PM

ailean

05-13-08, 02:07 AM

I installed 1.08 Beta tonight and immediately found something odd. A bunch of 1080 resolutions are grayed out. The only one I can select are 1080i-60, 1080i-50 and 1080p-60. Unfortunately living in the kingdom of PAL, I need 1080p-50. What to do, what to do?

This is because of the 'odd' way DVDO seperate modes from refresh rates. Personally I think this is very unfriendly to the user, in that the 'default' 1080p50 mode should always start with a 50hz refresh when selected. It's a 'default' , if I want a non standard 1080p50 at 60Hz mode then that should be custom not a default. :)

Basicly you need to change the refresh rate while in 1080p60 to 50Hz. Then you'll be able to pick 1080p50. :rolleyes:

Your display may not work at 1080p60@50Hz (like mine) so you might have to use the VP50 display to select 1080p50.

I find the best thing to do is go thru these hoops once and then select to save each mode to a display profile and then only use the display profile to change modes (that works direct without having to go thru refresh rates).

Catskinner

05-13-08, 11:49 AM

Thank you a lot, that did the trick.

Perhaps someone at DVDO needs a weekly injection of common sense.

DonoMan

05-13-08, 12:36 PM

Yeah... the menu should just have 1080p24, 1080p50, 1080p60, etc., or should just have 1080p and then use the refresh rate menu to decide whether it's 1080p24 or whatever. No sense in allowing you to use whacked timings.

Ronnie 1.8

05-13-08, 04:47 PM

Hi all,

I have an opportunity to buy a demo VP50 (from a pro installer), in fine condition, for $1,340.

My video source components are cable HD (via TiVo HD), Denon DVD3930CI, and PS3 (Blu-ray). My Panasonic plasma is XGA (1024x768).

Are there any outstanding issues w/ the VP50 that I need to be aware of? Does this seem like a good deal? My PQ seems good right now, (I have an ISF calibrated display and components) and wonder if any improvement in PQ is worth $1,340 (i.e., barely noticeable - not worth it, or WOW!!! - worth it).

I'm also thinking that since all video sources would be going through a new component that has picture settings, to ensure my plasma remains ISF calibrated, I would need to have it recalibrated.

Any thoughts/suggestions are welcome. Thank you.

Philip Tan

05-15-08, 05:08 AM

I would like to know if any users have had this problem and wonder if it is a power supply issue or a hardware issue. How can I rule out it's not the power supply?

I got a serious error 12 or 15 when powered up. I tried a hard reset and now the unit is all freezed up at "Iscan VP50 V1.06 VRS by Anchor Bay."
screen. All front panel and remote - power/standby, menu, adjustment buttons do not respond. All I get is a red light that is stuck and cannot get into the menu. Really 5hit out of luck with these made in Malaysia DVDO VP50 as this is an exchanged unit from the first unit that had fuzzy image hardware issues, plus now I'm out of warranty. :mad:

I have two ps from 2 different units
-input:100-250v~47-63hz 1.5A
-output 6v -7.0A

-input:100-240v~50-60hz 1.2A
-output 6v -6A

Which one is the correct ps to use? Hope someone can help. Thanks.

avrtRick

05-15-08, 11:56 AM

Philip Tan,

On the DVDO website

universal ps 100-240v~50-60hz

I wonder why mine is the first in your post, is that because I live in the land of Oz?
Could it be for better stability for frequency fluctuations or different amperes(I have no idea,just a stupid thought)

Philip Tan

05-15-08, 12:33 PM

universal ps 100-240v~50-60hz
Could it be for better stability for frequency fluctuations or different amperes(I have no idea,just a stupid thought)

Hi avrRick,
I have no idea either. Just bad experiences with my iscan plus years ago with ps and now this. Right now both power supply lights up the unit, but unable to go any further into the menu. Just received a RMA # to repair it by Sanmina-attn AnchorBay Repair.

Still soliciting thoughts of what might be wrong from users, as I really want to save that $300 repair or more $ plus shipping if I can avoid it. I've lost confidence in their product reliability and poor one year warranty. Shows they have no confidence unlike a Bryston amp with 20 year warranty and similar pricing for their lower units. I'll probably look at Lumagen once I fix it.

avrtRick

05-15-08, 01:18 PM

Yea,anything costing over $2000 should carry at least a 3 year waranty and cover shipping IMO.
This is my first experience with a DVDO product and for the most part it has been great(bar minute problems)until firmware 1.08,picturequality has gone to shite
I'l try re-installing it later today to see if it makes a difference and if not I'l go back to f/w1.06, if I can

Philip Tan

05-15-08, 04:48 PM

The VP50 is great when it works. :D

It must be my A55 luck to get two units that I find unstable and not reliable over such a short period of time. I stroke it, talk to it, take good care of her and she leaves me hanging. :( My other toys some alot older, I use and abuse and they keep coming back for more with no issues.

avrtRick

05-16-08, 04:35 AM

Hothersale

05-16-08, 10:03 AM

Hi Guys,

I thought I might try and go back to a different f/w to see if it helps get back the great PQ that I had(it hasn't)and I seen the cadence detection option is still there(and functional)
Are you able to tell me if the cadence detection should still be there after I have gone from 1.08 to 1.07.?

And can I go back to f/w 1.06 via dvdo website?

Thanks
Rick
Cadence Detect On/Off won't be present in any version earlier than 1.08. DVDO took the link off their Web site, but version 1.06 appears to still be available at http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/software/vp50_v1.06.abt

DonoMan

05-16-08, 10:25 AM

I think I'll stick with 1.04 'til I stop hearing so many bad things about 1.07-8

avrtRick

05-16-08, 10:30 AM

thanks for the reply, Hothersale

I have gone to f/w 1.07 and its still there and functional:eek:
And thanks for the link.

Thats a good idea DonoMan,

I just wanted to do it to get the auto detect working,and now it does but the PQ absolute SHITE

avrtRick

05-16-08, 10:36 PM

Would it be right for me to assume that my vp is somewhat defective since the cadence on/off is still there with f/w 1.07?
NOt saying it is,but I have to ask the question.

Hothersale

05-17-08, 12:42 AM

No, I don't think so. I'm running an early version of the beta firmware that has Cadence Detect On/Off and it shows version 1.07. Maybe you've got the same one?

avrtRick

05-17-08, 05:20 AM

escon

05-18-08, 02:56 AM

I am in PAL land too - do you have the de-interlacing set to Video Bias? FWIW, I find that works consistently better for me than any other settings, including when I run film material at 50Hz.

Yes, the DVD is NTSC (480i), so your display should be seeing 60Hz FR. To be sure, set the Frame Rate setting to 60Hz lock 60Hz. Then scheck the Info panel to make sure it says 60Hz FR.

Don't know about your other problem though. Together with your de-interlacing setting not working as you'd expect it, you may be having a hardware problem. But, as you say, first do a reload of the FW before getting too worried.

avrtRick

05-18-08, 07:17 AM

Thanks for the reply,Phil

I have tried every setting(well video,auto,forced 2.2 and film)but not seem to help any
I usually have it set to video(and sometimes auto which exhibits slight combing on the odd occasion) when watching FTA and a mix of the three when watching a dvd(but video being better)

I thought the dvd was,because I had the oppo 980 set to pal and the dvd looked really bad,shimmering in the seats on the f1 track, bad jaggies on the fence, the cafe seen is especially bad with shimmering and jaggies,and every other part was also bad.

Right now I have set the oppo to output Auto and it is VERY clean.

What I did find strange though,is that playing this dvd in my LG dvd recorder with component out(in pal) to the vp is better than the oppo with HDMI out(also set to Pal)to the vp

So,I would think that the LG's NTSC to PAL conversion is pretty darn good.

But the oppo outputting 480i to the vp is the best without question.

Anyhow, I was going to load f/w 1.06 today but because of my nail biting experience
the other day(nearly three hours at the PC)
I'll leave it to Monday or Tuesday to reload 1.06.

Rick

choddo2006

05-18-08, 08:13 PM

You don't want either the Oppo or LG set to PAL output, not sure why you even had that unless it was just for some sort of test?

I was wondering if there was some setting that had gone back to defaults and you'd missed after you upgraded (PREP off maybe? Or output resolution set wrong for certain input resolution?)

1.08 looks identical to 1.04 and 1.06 to me.

avrtRick

05-19-08, 07:13 AM

choddo.

I wish I could say the same about the firmware.
PRep is set to "on"

Because I live in Australia,Pal Land
With the LG dvd recorder, It does not have an option to allow for NTSC,but does its own NTSC to PAL conversion(not user selectable)

All outputs(1080p50h and 1080p60h) are correct for the input signal,accept for the momentary use of the optimisation dvd last night,It is the only NTSC disc I have,thats why I set the oppo to "auto" in the oppo's Pal-Ntsc menu.

And I was curious to see what the differences were between the oppo and the lg when outputting this disc(and I did not know it was NTSC)
But the vp had better control over the signal when coming from the LG as stated above

I thought this might be the case, so I checked and rechecked just to find that I had done the right thing,so I know I am not at fault.

mikefl52

05-19-08, 09:02 AM

I got a serious error 12 or 15 when powered up. I tried a hard reset and now the unit is all freezed up at "Iscan VP50 V1.06 VRS by Anchor Bay."
screen. All front panel and remote - power/standby, menu, adjustment buttons do not respond. All I get is a red light that is stuck and cannot get into the menu. Really 5hit out of luck with these made in Malaysia DVDO VP50 as this is an exchanged unit from the first unit that had fuzzy image hardware issues, plus now I'm out of warranty. :mad:

I just received a factory refurbished VP50 and when I first set it up evcerything was great, the improvement with it in the loop was much better than I expected, however it was only a couple of hours before I started having problems (yes I accept that this is always a possibility with refurbished equipment). I was watching DirecTV with native on so it sends the native signal 480i, 720p and 1080i to the VP50 for processing and on to my 1080i CRT RPT vial hdmi - DVI. I had earlier in the evening checked all the channels SD and HD and everything was working fine, however later when I checked switched from HD to SD, I just had a blue screen on the TV and a green light on the VP50 (unrecognized input I think) so I started going through the channels and HD worked but SD (480i) all had a blue screen.

Next I thought I would switch it off (stand by) and back on and after doing this I received "Serious Error 12" - etc and just a red light on the VP50. Nothing I did, removing power, hard reset (menu + exit while plugging it in) enabled the VP50 to work, no menu, nothing, just "Serious Error 12".

I have looked back through all the posts and theough their are lots of mentions of serious errors (12 and others) there never seems to be any follow up posts saying how it was fixed or the cause.

I have a call and email into Anchor Bay Technologies (Saturday) but have not heard back from them. I fully expect to have to send the unit back to them, but wondererd if there were any tricks to getting it back functional without having to send it back.

Oh by the way, I was running FW vers. 1.04 at the time it failed.

Thansk for any help

Mike

mlaurance

05-19-08, 09:50 AM

I just received a factory refurbished VP50 and when I first set it up evcerything was great, the improvement with it in the loop was much better than I expected, however it was only a couple of hours before I started having problems (yes I accept that this is always a possibility with refurbished equipment). I was watching DirecTV with native on so it sends the native signal 480i, 720p and 1080i to the VP50 for processing and on to my 1080i CRT RPT vial hdmi - DVI. I had earlier in the evening checked all the channels SD and HD and everything was working fine, however later when I checked switched from HD to SD, I just had a blue screen on the TV and a green light on the VP50 (unrecognized input I think) so I started going through the channels and HD worked but SD (480i) all had a blue screen.

Next I thought I would switch it off (stand by) and back on and after doing this I received "Serious Error 12" - etc and just a red light on the VP50. Nothing I did, removing power, hard reset (menu + exit while plugging it in) enabled the VP50 to work, no menu, nothing, just "Serious Error 12".

I have looked back through all the posts and theough their are lots of mentions of serious errors (12 and others) there never seems to be any follow up posts saying how it was fixed or the cause.

I have a call and email into Anchor Bay Technologies (Saturday) but have not heard back from them. I fully expect to have to send the unit back to them, but wondererd if there were any tricks to getting it back functional without having to send it back.

Oh by the way, I was running FW vers. 1.04 at the time it failed.

Thansk for any help

Mike
Mike,
I had the same error with my first vp50 about 1 week after I installed it. I went through all of the troubleshooting that you did and there was no resolve. After speaking with the ABT tech on the phone he concluded that this likely occurred from a loose HDMI cable = one that needed strain relief, that probably zapped the FPGA. Since my unit was brand new they replaced it. In my replacement unit I firmly anchored my HDMI I/O cables to provide strain relief to the DVDO and have not had any issue since. That may not help you but it's at least the explanation that I got from ABT.

mikefl52

05-19-08, 11:13 AM

Mike,
I had the same error with my first vp50 about 1 week after I installed it. I went through all of the troubleshooting that you did and there was no resolve. After speaking with the ABT tech on the phone he concluded that this likely occurred from a loose HDMI cable = one that needed strain relief, that probably zapped the FPGA. Since my unit was brand new they replaced it. In my replacement unit I firmly anchored my HDMI I/O cables to provide strain relief to the DVDO and have not had any issue since. That may not help you but it's at least the explanation that I got from ABT.

Thanks for the quick response. I will probably give ABT another call and see what they have to say.

Philip Tan

05-20-08, 12:54 AM

After speaking with the ABT tech on the phone he concluded that this likely occurred from a loose HDMI cable = one that needed strain relief, that probably zapped the FPGA.

That is good to know. Thanks for the feedback. Hmm! when I did a hard reset it said FPGA ok, but I guess damage was done already so all freezed up. Loose HDMI should not do that as I've had loose hdmi on my projector, HDDVD and DVD players and all I got was no signal but the units all work fine.

Anyway, I've sent my out of warranty unit for repair today and no doubt this is my weakest box on my audio rack all running on the same VansEvers conditioner.:mad:

Philip Tan

05-20-08, 12:57 AM

Thanks for the quick response. I will probably give ABT another call and see what they have to say.

Call Aaron Smith at (408) 395-4455 x238. Very polite this boy. :D

mikefl52

05-20-08, 08:18 AM

Call Aaron Smith at (408) 395-4455 x238. Very polite this boy. :D

I talked to him yesterday and yes you are correct he is very polite. He gave me an RMA number and I sent my unit off off to Laredo, Texas for repair yesterday.

mikefl52

05-20-08, 08:23 AM

Mike,
In my replacement unit I firmly anchored my HDMI I/O cables to provide strain relief to the DVDO and have not had any issue since.

Can you describe how you anchored your cables as opposed to just plugging them in? If this is a potential root cause, I would at least like to try and make sure that it is not likely to occur again.

Thanks again in advance

Mike

Gary J

05-20-08, 08:55 AM

My FP CRT display accepts RGBHV. Can I connect a media player with HDMI to the VP50 and play non-HDCP media?

Axatax

05-20-08, 01:02 PM

Gary J

05-20-08, 01:13 PM

The media player is the Popcorn Hour (http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?module=onlinestore&pluginoption=catalog) and this is what it's Wiki says -

Is the A-100 HDCP compliant?/ I am having HDCP negotiation problems with my display.

There is no HDCP negotiation between the PCH and display at the current time. When the A-100 starts supporting premium content in Q3 2008, the HDCP negotiation will be activated via a firmware upgrade.

mlaurance

05-21-08, 09:27 AM

Can you describe how you anchored your cables as opposed to just plugging them in? If this is a potential root cause, I would at least like to try and make sure that it is not likely to occur again.

Thanks again in advance

Mike
Mike,
I tie my cables to the rack in back of the DVDO to create the anchor/strain relief point and then feed the cables to the DVDO so that there is no strain at the connectors. My VP50 sits almost 6 feet up from the bottom of the rack so all of the cables are fed up to it. In my original setup I let the cables hang freely from the back of the unit. Although it never looked like they disconnected, there clearly was a downward pull due to the weight of the cables.

If you're using a 19" rack the solution is easy. If your VP50 sits on a shelf you could probably anchor the cables to the shelf using standard zip ties with screw on or adhesive mounts that you could pick up at any hardware store.

Mark

mikefl52

05-21-08, 10:48 AM

Mike,
I tie my cables to the rack in back of the DVDO to create the anchor/strain relief point and then feed the cables to the DVDO so that there is no strain at the connectors. My VP50 sits almost 6 feet up from the bottom of the rack so all of the cables are fed up to it. In my original setup I let the cables hang freely from the back of the unit. Although it never looked like they disconnected, there clearly was a downward pull due to the weight of the cables.

If you're using a 19" rack the solution is easy. If your VP50 sits on a shelf you could probably anchor the cables to the shelf using standard zip ties with screw on or adhesive mounts that you could pick up at any hardware store.

Mark

Mark,

Thanks for the reply.

I use a BDI rack which has large slots in the back to feed the cables through. From what you say you tie the cables to the rack so that the connectors are just at the right height relative to the DVDO HDMI input slots without pushing up, pulling down or applying forces to the left or right. I can do this with the BDI rack since there are tie locations on the outside of the rack which would allow me to suspend the cable just where the HDMI slots for the DVDO would be.

Now all I have to do is wait for my VP50 to return form Anchor Bay Repair (which they appear to subcontract to a company called Sanmina-SCI, or maybe just share the facilities) in Texas. According to FedEx it arrived there yesterday morning so it is probably going to be middle to end of next week by the time it arrives back taking Memorial Day weekend into account.

Again thanks for your help and advice.

Mike

Jeff_in_SF

05-21-08, 02:07 PM

Thanks once again,

Can I ask another question.
This is by far the most annoying of problems I have that I never had with f/w 1.06
and it consists of,or looks like severe noise around and on all letters and around and on people, and it looks sooo BAD,and it gets worse when theres motion in the picture.
What is causing this?

And the other issue is the slight combing around the eyes and the mouth.
It happens on DVD's, FTA and HD-DVD and it happens no matter what de-interlacing mode I have it set to.

(This is just a statement)
And the other thing is that I had to re-calibrate my display,the settings I had before were no good at all.
I had to lower the brightness and contrast by a big margin

I will install f/w 1.06 tomorrow and I HOPE everything goes back to normal

Is the optimisation DVD that came with the vp50, 480i NTSC?

I was going through some of my old bookmarks for Sony hint sites and came across one I hadn't done and it definitely made a difference in my ability to get 1:1 working on my XBR plasma. Sony's position at the time my set was made was 'you aren't supposed to connect computers to the TV's DVI or HDMI inputs'. So in order to get my Sony TV to work better with the VP50 when I input it's native resolution I had to do the following: (Let me know if you try and notice it works for yours too)

(I don't know if these tips affect the ability to get 1:1 w/ a HDTV resolution like 720P or 1080i). You should be in "Pro" mode or whatever they call the mode with the least enhancements to achieve 1:1 w/ a computer resolution.

1. The 1:1 timing shouldn't require the use of the TV's user positioning controls. I.E. if you input a resolution and the picture scoots left or right, go back and use the VP50's shift and/or modify the timing (porches & syncs) instead of the previous tip I gave you of using the combo of VP50 shift + Sony's Game Mode. Leave the Sony's horizontal controls alone at their default (zero) positions.

2. The sudden brightness (elevated black levels) you're noticing appears if the TV detects a PC type resolution (1024x768 or 1366x768). Although all the other Display Calibration threads will claim heresy, you should engage the Black Corrector (or equivalent) at the Low setting. Then calibrate your display normally with the Brightness, Contrast, etc. controls.

3. All the various sharpness controls available on your set should be left off. Additionally the User Sharpness control should be set only at the "1" position (1 click from the left).

(This info was reportedly gained from a conversation between a Sony service tech and a frustrated video enthusiast back in 2005). Not sure if they've modified how the newer tv's work but the above made a noticeable difference for me.

Gary J

05-21-08, 02:46 PM

My FP CRT display accepts RGBHV. Can I connect a media player with HDMI to the VP50 and play non-HDCP media?

Yes, IF your media player device behaves properly and doesn't flag everything with HDCP indiscriminately.

The media player is the Popcorn Hour (http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?module=onlinestore&pluginoption=catalog) and this is what it's Wiki says -

Is the A-100 HDCP compliant?/ I am having HDCP negotiation problems with my display.

There is no HDCP negotiation between the PCH and display at the current time. When the A-100 starts supporting premium content in Q3 2008, the HDCP negotiation will be activated via a firmware upgrade.

I got an answer-

Thank you for taking time to send us your e-mail. As long as the source does not implement HDCP, the unit will do whatever you want it to. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me either by phone or e-mail. Thank you.

Aaron Smith

Sr. Applications & Technical Support Representative

Anchor Bay Technologies, Inc.

Aaron@AnchorBayTech.com or Aaron@DVDO.com

US Domestic - (866) 423-3836 ext. 238

International - (408) 395-4455 ext. 238

Fax - (408) 395-4450

Some of you may be interested in this device. It plays every format you throw at it, HDMI out, up through 1080p.

mrtwstr

05-22-08, 03:16 PM

Hey guys, a couple questions if you don't mind. I'm looking to buy a used VP50 to use in conjunction with an RS1 and a u85 for a CH setup. Can the VP50 do all the required vertical expansion/horizontal compression for a CH setup? Also, all my sources (and my projector) are running 1080p/24. I remember ages ago the VP50 didn't exactly play nice with 24hz sources. Has that situation improved? Anything else I should be aware of in terms of quirks? I'd love to be able to go with the Lumagen and get the color correction but I just can't afford 2-3x the price.

JavierS

05-23-08, 05:14 AM

Hi to all,
I’m still having this problem with my HTPC, if I input anything higher than 720p image is off center and the lower side gets cropped so I can’t see up to “Run”. There seems to be no way of fixing it by adjusting output options, is as if it was cut at the input. Just to make sure it wasn’t a PC fault, I have tried two different PCs and 3 cards (ATI 2600XT, NVidia 8600GTS & 9600GT), different drivers and different cables (DVI->HDMI and HDMI->HDMI using the adapter that came with card). This happens with ver. 1.07 that came installed and also with 1.08. I sent an e-mail to ABT two days ago but no answer yet.
With my previous HD+ everything worked just fine and only had to adjust underscan (telly has about 900 “real” lines and applies some 2.5-3% overscan). I’m outputting 1080i 50/60 analogue component to my CRT TV. Any ideas?

barend

05-23-08, 05:30 AM

Any of you VP50 owners notice the feathering (stepping artefact) on subitles, large white letters and high contrast vertical edges?
Sold my VP50 and bought a Pro and it gets worse and worse- many others notice it on the Pro too.
Now I just bought a "cheap" plain VP50 again on Ebay and I wonder how my old favorite will perform on second sight...
Anyone?

choddo2006

05-23-08, 08:15 AM

dwegner

05-26-08, 10:16 PM

Anyone able to shed some light on this for me. I am/was using the vp50 (Firmware 1.06) with a Pioneer Lx60a plasma and it suddenly started to put up a purple band about 15cm wide across the lower third of the screen. It was only doing it when I tried to play Blur Ray titles. So I got the HT install chap back to check the system for me. This is a new setup and only installed a week ago, but the vp50 is secodn hand. Anyway he did a lot of work and narrowed the fault down to being the vp50 and not any other component. We did a factory reset and then the break up of the image was consistent on FTA channels, Foxtel and Blu Ray!

It looks like a braod band across the lower section of the panel and looks sort of like a bar code of pruple and greenish colours. Very frustrating. Anyone who can give me a contatc here in Australia for serviceing these units or any suggestions to try and resolve this behaviour I would be much appreciated.

cheers/

Audiojan

05-27-08, 12:48 AM

Does the VP50 pass 1080p? I know it won't process the signal (like the VP50Pro does), but does it at least pass the signal through?

choddo2006

05-27-08, 04:50 AM

Does the VP50 pass 1080p? I know it won't process the signal (like the VP50Pro does), but does it at least pass the signal through?

Yes. And you can process it to some extent - I use 1080p/24 in & 1024x768@48Hz out.

choddo2006

05-27-08, 04:52 AM

Anyone seen a problem with multi-channel PCM audio with the new firmware? Since upgrading to 1.08, last night I tried to play a HD DVD on my Tosh ep30 for the first time and the PCM stream (which should be 5.1) is picked up and output as 48khz stereo!

Audiojan

05-27-08, 07:12 AM

Oh, that's great news! This means that I can use the DVDO VP as a complete video switcher (my pre/pro doesn't switch HDMI). Do you know if VP30 passes 1080p as well?

bluechunks

05-27-08, 02:59 PM

Oh, that's great news! This means that I can use the DVDO VP as a complete video switcher (my pre/pro doesn't switch HDMI). Do you know if VP30 passes 1080p as well?
One small note in regard to the VP30, and this may not be an issue for you, but you must also install the optional ABT102 daughter card (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/products/systems/addons/precision_deinterlacing_card.php) to properly de-interlace SD video when using the VP30. FWIW, the VP30/102 combo will not de-interlace HD (1080i video) but the VP50 and VP50Pro will.

I went though the same process and ended up with the VP50 and I am quite pleased with it, particularly for the price. Look around carefully and you will find authorized dealers offering great deals on the VP50 (both new and b-stock.)

sidb

05-28-08, 06:47 PM

docrog

05-29-08, 12:50 AM

Until recently I sent 1080p/24 Blu-Ray video via HDMI from my PS3 to the VP50 which then output to my Sony "Pearl" (VPL-VW50) FPJ @48Hz (as per Choddo's prior posts). I have now chosen to bypass the VP50 for this output, sending it directly to the Sony (via HDMI), as I have since read that the "Pearl" will actually project @72 Hz (96 Hz ???) from a direct 1080p/24 source via internal scaling. Does anyone know if I am correct in this assumption? If so, is there any reason to include the VP50/48Hz link in this application in my HT? Thanks!

Gard

05-30-08, 06:23 PM

Oh, that's great news! This means that I can use the DVDO VP as a complete video switcher (my pre/pro doesn't switch HDMI). Do you know if VP30 passes 1080p as well?

Yes, the VP30 has passthrough in the latest firmware

goodolddog

05-31-08, 06:46 AM

I upgraded to 1.07 from 1.04 and there i definitely something very wrong with deinterlacing when feeding SD interlaced on HDMI.

With both 480i and 576i, there are some situations (I can't find a pattern yet) where the field lines are rendered in reverse alternate order upon deinterlacing - that is instead of F1.L1, F2.L1, F1.L2, F2.L2, the displayed order is F2.L1, F1.L1, F2.L2, F1.L2, or in complete final frame line no's, instead of 1,2,3,4 you get 2,1,4,3 ...

I can't say yet if the fields come from the same frame or you get the second field from frame N mixed with the firs field of frame N+1.

This messes up the picture - you can see big ugly jaggies when this happens.
Sources used are OPPO 980, Arcam DV79. with these it happens now and then on all discs, and with some discs (eg some AIX records editions, DVD side) it happens all the time. I can barely fix this by using Game Mode 1, but it's obvious the picture isn't very stable when doing this. I should note that my VP50 is set to output at 59.94 for all input rates, I don't know if it's relevant, but I'll mention it.

The problem goes away if you output SD Progressive from the source, thus circumventing deinterlacing in the VP50.

With the Arcam DV139 set to SD Intelaced output, this happens all the time. I initially thought there is a problem with the 139's HDMI SD-interlaced (1440) output, but then I noticed it occasionaly happens with other sources too.

Maybe someone could explore this, I hate having to go back to 1.04 (LONG update process) and test everything again.

Dale Adams

05-31-08, 09:38 AM

goodolddog

05-31-08, 10:12 AM

Thank You Dale - Like always a gentleman.
Trid PREP - and it works fine. It's still an ABT deinterlacer chip inside the 139, but I prefer the VP50's flexibility.

Before reporting to DVDO, I'd like to repeat all this, I'm puzzled - it could still be a problem of the 139 (which permanently exhibits this) AND I'd have to revert to 1.04 and try to see what happens with other sources. Unfortunately, I plugged in the 139 after switching to 1.07 so I cannot derive any conclusion.

Damn' I wish I had more time.

It also happens on the Arcam DV139 internal display test (setup menu). The last test pattern (circles, diagonals, alignment, cropping and sharpness) show explicitly the line scrambling I described.

I wish I coudl edit the EDID on the VP inputs. It says somewhere in the Arcam docs that SD-i over HDMI won't work with DVI, there might be something to it.

I also posted on the Arcam forum.

In your experience, what might cause this line scrambling at the source (assuming it's not a VP50 problem, it would mean the 139 is sending the SD-i singnal incorrectly somehow ...) ?

goodolddog

05-31-08, 11:11 AM

OK, some more data :
Take DVD - The Allman Brothers Band - "Live At The Beacon Theatre" (2-Disc) i mean this one :
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XQBRPTANL._SL500_AA240_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/Allman-Brothers-Band-Beacon-Theatre/dp/B0000C7PWI/)

Right from the first track, "Ain't Wasting Time No More", a few seconds into it, it starts an then it's on like 90% of the time

Source OPPO 980 via HDMI 480i YCbCr 4:2:2 to VP50
Deinteralcing : Auto
- first pic is a Greg Allman close up on screen (excuse my inabilty to take decent pictures) - notice the forehead and nose contours (original was 3072x2304 scaled down 3 times in Photoshop to upload.
- second pic is a detail from the original digital camera image
Sorry, I am not set for direct capture right now. You don't get very good results with a manual shot.
- third pic is another frame form same track

The error could originate from the disc itself since the Oppo 980 and both Arcam 139 and 79 render the same artefact through the VP50. Yet, please note it's not the only disc showing that, and at this point I am not sure I saw this with the DV79 when I was running 1.04 on the VP50. Will have to try again sometime with 1.04 :( and all sources.

I will try to spot more discs like that. On some it just flares now and then, on others (like this one), the jaggies are on most of the time.

They are on for every other possible deinterlacing selection, except Game mode 1.

goodolddog

05-31-08, 11:20 AM

Now, player internally generated images and test patterns :
The DV79 and the Oppo 980 look allright with these, PQ is ok, but with the 139 stuff gets wrong all the time.

First pic is internal test pattern output over HDMI at 480i YCbCr 4:2:2. Alternate line scrambling is very visible. Note that first and last pixel line are garbage - green noise. This is with Deinterlacing on Auto on the VP50. Again, any other selection shows the same result, except Game mode1 - but in this last mode the image is unstable, exhibiting vertical jitter, probably at display refresh rate or half of that (this could be interesting to know).

Second pic is same pattern with 480p output (Arcams crop the bottom line, that is not an artefact) - and looks as it should. (Some filter ringing is noticeable ...)

Third pic shows setup menu text with line scrambling.

Again, this one coud be 139's fault, and I have not plugged in this player when I was running 1.04 so it's hard to make a call.
Anyway, this is what I see and I can't say it's the VP for sure.

Any ideeas ?

cinema mad

05-31-08, 11:26 AM

The official ABT FAQ on the VP50 (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/faq/vp50.php#faq4) has wrong information about passing through unsupported video signals. It lists "HDMI/DVI (all other resolutions)" as being "passed through" on the HDMI output. With firmware 1.07 and a 1920x1200 input, it just outputs a blue screen.

I think I mentioned this exact problem when the VP50 was new, but I just had occasion to check again. Now that newer firmware allows the VP50 to output the exact 1920x1200 resolution in question, I am a bit dismayed that it still won't pass it through from an input. It means I still can't simplify my video routing setup. In any case, ABT has had over a year to update their FAQ; it's irresponsible of them not to do so if they don't plan to enable the feature.

Since I can't trust the accuracy of ABT's FAQ, can anyone tell me from experience whether a VP50 Pro can pass through 1920x1200, or any unsupported resolution?Hi, I have the VP50pro and as far as I know concerning pass through its the same as the VP50, any custom rez so long as you stay within the bandwidth constraint's of the VP, I believe the bandwidth was rased on the VP50 with the 1.07 firmware update A while ago to 170 MHZ. So the VP should pass any REZ upto A bandwidth of "170mhz"but not more than other wise you will have to reduce the PORCH to stay under the Bandwidth limit ....

Dale Adams

06-01-08, 10:20 AM

OK, some more data :
Take DVD - The Allman Brothers Band - "Live At The Beacon Theatre" (2-Disc) i mean this one :
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XQBRPTANL._SL500_AA240_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/Allman-Brothers-Band-Beacon-Theatre/dp/B0000C7PWI/)

Right from the first track, "Ain't Wasting Time No More", a few seconds into it, it starts an then it's on like 90% of the timeThat disc doesn't appear to be available any longer. Please post when you find another title that shows this problem reliably.

I do not see this problem with my VP50 running v1.07 and an Oppo 970 set up to output 480i over HDMI. Unfortunately, I don't have a 980 or DV139 to test with, so I can't duplicate your setup exactly.

The images you show do look like the field order is reversed. Offhand I don't know why this would be. I'd likely need a player that exhibited the problem so that I could analyze the signal and see where the problem lies. ABT might have one of these players in the lab. If they do, I'll check on one of those sometime this coming week and see if I can replicate the problem you're seeing.

- Dale Adams

Fudoh

06-01-08, 10:24 AM

Just to tune in on the field order problem. I experience this problem with quite some DVB-T material (through RGBS, PAL 576i50). I don't really watch a lot of TV, so it's not a "problem" for me, but it seems to be depending on the encoding of the material. There are TV shows (soaps or live TV especially) in which I can see this exact problem and with the next program it's gone (or even on the commercial breaks).

It's especially interesting as my TV's internal DVB-T receiver shows these programs without any problems, but it's very obvious when switching to my external DVB-T receiver along with the 50pro. If I remember correctly the 50(non pro) had the same problem on the same TV material already.

goodolddog

06-01-08, 10:30 AM

Since the problem is persistent with the Arcam FMJ-DV139 I suggest they check this - someone on the Arcam forum that has a VP50 said he will check this too (was using Auto which is 1080i for some reason) and see if we can confirm.

My 139 has firmware 4.12 (but newer releases do not mention touching the SD Interlaced HDMI output, so it should do the same with 5.06). The Arcam 139 is easy since it exhibits the problem on internally generated images - no DVD needed - just watch the splash screen (wallpaper) or the setup menu, including test patterns in 480i/576i.

At this stage it might still be two distinct problems - bad edits on some DVD's and a problem with the 139 SD i output over HDMI, not necesarily an issue with the VP50.

Thank you for taking an interest in this, Dale.

Fudoh, are you running 1.07 or 1.08 on your VP50 ?

Fudoh

06-01-08, 10:37 AM

I don't have my VP50 anymore, I'm running a 50pro with 1.04.

goodolddog

06-01-08, 03:11 PM

The issue with the Arcam 139 has been solved by upgrading it to firmware 5.06.
It now does the right thing. It wasn't a VP50 issue after all.

The DVD issue is still there, but could be a bad edit after all. I will post if I find more DVD's that exhibit this on a regular basis.

Thanks for your support on this one.

sidb

06-01-08, 03:45 PM

Hi, I have the VP50pro and as far as I know concerning pass through its the same as the VP50, any custom rez so long as you stay within the bandwidth constraint's of the VP, I believe the bandwidth was rased on the VP50 with the 1.07 firmware update A while ago to 170 MHZ. So the VP should pass any REZ upto A bandwidth of "170mhz"but not more than other wise you will have to reduce the PORCH to stay under the Bandwidth limit ....My VP50 outputs 1920x1200, which has a 165 MHz bandwidth, just fine. It cannot pass it through, though. If I feed that resolution to an HDMI input, the front LED goes green, and I get a blue screen.

vfrjim

06-01-08, 09:10 PM

I have to say that I have updated my VP50 over a week ago (to 1.08)and have been enjoying an improved deinterlacing of my 480i source (Satellite C-band source). I've never complained priorly about this poor deinterlacing and want to thank DVDO for fixing this problem. It is a beautiful picture now that I am watching. Thanks!

escon

06-01-08, 10:08 PM

OK, I think I'm seeing the same thing - Vs 1.07.

Edit: A lot of posts were added in between the last post I was referring to and this post. I am referring to an apparent loss of resolution when going into an HDMI port with the resolution set to 480/576i (rather than 480/576p)

I used the ABT test DVD, the resolution chart.

When I feed this patteren from my SDI modified Oppo 970, the last high frequency pattern is always clearly delineated.

When I feed it from my new Oppo 980 via HDMI at 480i, I sometimes get to see the full resolution, but most times it is simply not visible. Stopping and starting/pausing will sometimes make it "good" again, i.e show the resolution bars.

If I make the Oppo 980 put out a progressive signal, be it 720p or 1080p, it's always OK.

I think sometime way in the past, we had a simliar problem. I think you Dale then identified it as a false lock on the odd or even field?

My output configuration is 1360 x 768, 50/60Hz Auto.

goodolddog

06-02-08, 05:41 AM

IIRC, the Oppos output SD interlaced over HDMI - with pixel doubling - i.e. 720(1440)x480i/576i - but instead of pixel doubling they actually interpolate every other pixel - and (IIRC again) the VP50 not necesarily reads the first of two supposedly doubled pixels (since they would be identical in theory) - when it reads the second, a softening of the image occurs (kind of la low-pass filter, averaging between two samples is sort of an integration).

I think Dale spotted this way back in this thread, maybe it applies to what you see, escon. Your problem seems to be a horizontal resolution one (seen on vertical bars), while what I have with some DVD's is a vertical resolution problem (seen on horizontal lines - possibly caused by a bug in deinterlacing or a bad edit).

I'll aslo switch to 1.08 beta and see what I get.

escon

06-02-08, 07:27 AM

d.j.

06-03-08, 06:08 AM

Hi Dale

Can I ( please :-) ask you to read my post 6013, where I have 2 questions about gamma and colorspace 601/709 - Im pretty sure you are the man, who know and can answer them.
thank you

dj

SOWK

06-05-08, 08:35 PM

Can this Video Proccessor output gamma 2.4 and use bypass for everything else?

1080P 24Htz in

Gamma Change only

1080P 24Htz Out

Can it have a nice gamma curve of 2.2 at 0 - 5 Ire then slowly ramp up to 2.4 from 5-100 Ire?

SOWK

06-07-08, 08:42 AM

Anyone? Are there still owners out there that can tell me if this allows a gamma curve of 2.2 or lower at 0-5 Ire and then curve up to 2.4-2.5 for the rest of the IRE range?

Christopher J

06-07-08, 09:25 PM

Anyone? Are there still owners out there that can tell me if this allows a gamma curve of 2.2 or lower at 0-5 Ire and then curve up to 2.4-2.5 for the rest of the IRE range?
The VP50 does not provide fine gamma adjustments like you are asking. They are course adjustments.

If you are calibrating gamma at the display then the VP50 is not very relevant unless you use the gamma feature on the VP50. I have used it with great success but it is very course but highly sufficient for my particular need.

In my case, the best gamma I can get out of my sony A3000 is a straight 2.0 and by adjusting RGB gammas to 0.9 on the VP50 I end up with a straight 2.2 gamma. Again, it is a course adjustment and will not fine tune like you are asking.

I'm still a novice so I defer to the more experienced posters.

Christopher J

06-07-08, 09:28 PM

Here is a gee-wiz question: Does anyone have any preferred settings for dish network on their VP 50 and their dish network tuner?

speters

06-08-08, 07:38 AM

Christopher J

06-08-08, 09:12 AM

How can you determine your gamma and then ho can you adjust that with the VP50? Right now I am using the JVC RS1 and even thought I have the brightness and contrast set using the internal test patterns, I just don't feel like I am getting enough shadow detail and raising the brightness just get's me gray shadows. I do have the Eye One display 2 which I use for my computer monitors, but I am not sure that could be used for a fp?

Speters, I recommend you head on over to the calibration forum. I also have an Eye One display 2 and I have enjoyed the results of using it with a variety of free and fee based calibration programs. I am also sure you can use it with a projector if appropriately placed.

In terms of how I treated the VP50 in terms of calibration: I saved it for any final adjustments that may be necessary (if at all). In my case, I could not get my gamma improved any better than what I mentioned earlier and the course setting in the VP50 was all I needed to get the jump to the suggested value. Otherwise, if my TV was cabable I suspect I could have done all my calibration without VP50 display settings.

You will be asked in the calibration forum the characteristics of your room. Perhaps a light source is the cause of washing out your blacks?

HTSteve

06-19-08, 11:49 PM

Anyone having or experienced and Autopriority problem with their SDI I/F?

VP50 has no problems switching between my HDMI sources (SA8300HD and HDDVD), but it will not switch to my SDI Denon 2900. I have to manually select the SDI input on the remote.

After I am finished watching the DVD player and turn on the cable box, it will switch back to HDMI.

THe only problem is getting the VP50 to detect the SDI signal and switch automatically. Everything used to work perfectly, but I had a failure and needed to replace the original unit.

The failed unit would not auto detect anything and I had a HDMI handshaking problem as it would not recognize a repeater device (my VSX-91) and had an HDCP error.

THe new unit fixes all of the problems except auto detect SDI. I also switched the priority of the different sources in the setup, but that had no effect either.

Looking for suggestions.

d.j.

06-20-08, 05:59 AM

HTSteve
My SDI autopriority have worked every time for now, so I can probely not help you with that - my version for now is 1.06 ( version 1.04 and 1.0 did work to ) what version are you using ?
One thing I would try to do, was to reset it, and maybe try to download version 1.06 / 1.07 again ( not 1.08, so long it´s a beta - just to be safe :-)
good luck !

dj

snooktarpon

06-20-08, 01:29 PM

I'm using a media center PC outputting audio via SPDIF into a VP50. I was getting pretty severe audio drop-outs (about once every 2-3 minutes) with firmware 1.06. I updated to 1.07 since ABT mentioned that 1.07 addressed the audio drop-out problem. Well, with 1.07 I'm still getting audio drop-outs. I also bypassed the VP50 to check that the PC was not the problem. When the VP50 is bypassed, the audio drop-out problem is basically gone. The other strange thing is that I'm only getting audio drop-outs with the Media Center PC and not other sources like DVD or a PS3?

So could my media center PC be the problem even though the problem basically goes away when I bypass the audio on the VP50?

Is anybody still getting audio drop-outs with 1.07?

vfrjim

06-20-08, 10:14 PM

If your only getting dropouts with the HTPC, I would say that it is the problem because I get no dropouts at all with any of my MANY sources.

d.j.

06-22-08, 07:32 AM

I never had any dropouts either ( DVD, PS3, VCR,DVB-T ), all things look at the HTPC, I would say too

dj

escon

06-23-08, 02:36 AM

Ah yes, that was it I'm pretty sure. What was the resolution to the problem though? Wasn't a fix implemented in the VP50 FW to fix this issue? Or was running PreP at 480/576p the solution?

Edit. No, using PreP on 480p doesn't solve the problem. Selecting either 720p or 1080i/p does though, PreP or no Prep.

Actually, it is not a luminance resolution problem which is fine. The problem is only seen on the bottom 2 rows at the highest frequency where the 2 colours are no longer visible. No amount of Y/C adjustment can bring up the 2 coloured lines. Again, using 720p or 1080i/p brings them up. And, as I mentioned before, occassionally you can fluke it to have the lines show up. But, even when they do, they are not as clearly defined as they are at the other abovementioned resolutions. Looks like loss of colour resolution for the want of a better way to describe it.Well, I had a furher twiddle over the weekend and I think I've struck oil (yes, the real stuff would be good too!).

I changed the colour space to 4 2 2, instead of RGB. Now I don't have the problem anymore on any of the 480/576i/p settings. The high res colour bands come through equally and with the same intensity as the remaining resolutions of 720p and 1080i/p.

I updated to Vs 1.08 btw, before switching over to 4 2 2, but this made no difference.

So, is this a problem in the player or the VP?

b30141

06-23-08, 11:02 AM

Bought a nice VP 50 from a friend. To connect to my receiver I use the digital audio output on the VP 50. I'm just a little stumped on the proper input on my Yamaha receiver.

TNX

mikefl52

06-23-08, 11:59 AM

Bought a nice VP 50 from a friend. To connect to my receiver I use the digital audio output on the VP 50. I'm just a little stumped on the proper input on my Yamaha receiver.

TNX

I assume that you are taking the video side of your signal from the source to the VP50 and then to your TV. If this is the case it I can't imagine it really matters what input you use for the digital audio if your digital (TOSLINK or COAX) inputs are not assignable.

mikefl52

06-30-08, 01:06 PM

Wow, this is a quiet thread at the moment.

Anyway I have a question. I have just installed a Pioneer PDP-6020FD plama TV and tried to hook up all my sources through the VP50, however I could not even get my VP50 to talk to the 6020, so I unhooked it from the path and hooked all the sources directly into the TV and they all worked fine. I had no problem getting the VP50 to talk to my old RPTV via a HDMI - DVI connection, but after 2 hours I could not bring the menu up on the Pioneer through the HDMI connection.

Does anyone else have this combination or any ideas?

HTSteve

06-30-08, 10:07 PM

First, what FW revision do you have? Are you getting any flashing lights on the 6020 or VP50 that may identify an HDCP error? What color is the LED on the VP50 - RED, blinking Blue?

I had signficant and sudden communications problems with my VP50 in my setup which had similar characteristics. Connecting all sources directly to my display (IF7210) had no problems, connecting all sources directly to my Pioneer VSX91 receiver had no problems.

However, when I had the VP50 between my Pioneer VSX91 and my display, there were significant authentication problems. I also had this problem with Onkyo SR605 that I borrowed from my Brother-in-law. This lead me to believe that the VP50 was the problem (though DVDO disagreed). For me, I believe there was an issue communicating with a "repeater" device - which is really not your situation. I find it interesting that you are also having problems with a Pioneer product.

That being said, I went back to FW1.04 and the VP50 worked for a few days before resorting back to the HDCP error problems.

Ultimately, DVDO replaced my VP50 under warranty and everything is working fine, except the Auto Priority for my SDI DVD player. I am learning to deal with this and need to purchase another IR flasher to flood the bottom half of my rack and reprogram my Remote Control macros to select the SDI input on the VP50.

Maybe the VP50 doesn't play well with Pioneer, but I would mess with various FW revisions to see if something works. When I spoke to DVDO, they indicated that they did not have Pioneer equipment to test it with. This would seem strange to me as I would think that they would have all of the major brands (Yamaha, Pioneer, Denon, Onkyo, Marantz, etc.) to verify performance/functionality.

It sounds like to me that you have a bad VP50, swapping mine out for another one (not likely new, but refurbished under warranty), resolved most of the problems (but DID resolve all of the HDCP issues, for which I am VERY happy).

Ultimately, DVDO took care of me, gave me some suggestions that did not work, but in the end made good on replacing my unit and I am quite satisfied with its performance otherwise (except the Auto SDI, which is a minor irritant).

Good Luck.

mikefl52

07-01-08, 07:10 AM

cpc

07-04-08, 11:18 PM

Gary J

07-05-08, 07:26 AM

The answer I got was BNC for 720p and up only.

cpc

07-05-08, 10:32 AM

The answer I got was BNC for 720p and up only.

Uh..ok. Do you mean the BNC outputs won't work below 720p? That seems odd. Will I be able to output 480p from the Y PB PR outputs though?

Slonk

07-05-08, 10:41 AM

The answer I got was BNC for 720p and up only.Strange, according to the manual many analog output formats are standard selectable, and virtually any output format can be created with user settings (and saved as profile), all within the 160MHz pixel clock.

cpc

07-05-08, 10:45 AM

Strange, according to the manual many analog output formats are standard selectable, and virtually any output format can be created with user settings (and saved as profile), all within the 160MHz pixel clock.

I am talking about Y PB PR output from the BNC connectors. I think Gary is talking about Y PB PR input via BNC. I did a quick search of this thread and there is talk that the VP50 only accepts 720p via the BNC connectors. I am talking about 480p and 1080i output over the BNC > component output ala Y PB PR. I think that should work, right? It's just for DVD's. HD-DVD, BD and possible HDTV signals may go into my set 1080i component on the other input.

Josh@dvdo

07-05-08, 12:08 PM

Is it easy to output Component Y-PB-PR from the VP50's BNC connectors? I just need to temporarily output 480p from the VP50 to a widescreen CRT set. From the looks of things, it looks like I simply get three BNC to RCA adapters and connect them to the left three connectors? The TV has rca inputs for component.

Yes, it is easy to setup. You just need to switch to the analog output on the VP50 (Output Setup -> Analog/Digital -> Analog). Colorspace and Sync can also be changed in the Output Setup menu.

I use a VP50 to output 540p and 480p to a Sony 40" CRT.

Josh@dvdo

07-05-08, 12:10 PM

The BNCs on the VP50 will also accept the same resolutions that the component inputs using RCAs accept, except 480i and 576i.

cpc

07-05-08, 01:27 PM

Ok, thanks. I'm putting off the front projection home theatre for 6 months and lookig at using a 34" widescreen CRT or 42" to 50" plasma. The 34" widescreen TV is 480p/1080i and only component inputs.

d.j.

07-07-08, 05:22 AM

Josh
Can I get you to look at post 6005 - thanks !

dj

Hothersale

07-08-08, 01:16 PM

I'm going to do my own greyscale calibration on my display this week. Am I right in assuming the VP50 test patterns (still) use the Rec601 color gamut?

iMbEst

07-08-08, 09:49 PM

hi guys, any idea what's the lowest price range for this babe? the price gap between this and the VP50 Pro is just too great.......

Jesswin

08-01-08, 02:04 AM

I am using software 1.06 and have been trying to find a "pass-through" setting. Is there a specific menu item for this setting or are we just talking about matching an input signal to a matching display profile configuration? Thanks.

Hothersale

08-01-08, 10:13 AM

I think that feature only exists in the VP30.

JavierS

08-11-08, 10:48 AM

Does anyone know if there is a chance, even a small one, that DVDO will ever include in the VP50 or the Pro a full blown CMS like the one their competitor have in their top of the line or this is of no interest for ABT? does the hardware of the VP50 have spare room for it? or in case they decided to do it, it could ony be done in the Pro? is it really difficult to design and implement one?
Even if the VP50s can do more than the new Edge, the gap is not as big as ther price difference and I think this functionality would restore the balance between the entry level and the high end. I'd love to have a memory for each input signal that could be part of a profile or at least have 4 assignable to inputs.
I think someone mentioned in another thead that this might be a feature of a future VPx0 but for those of us with no so deep pockets it´'ll be great news if we could have a taste of it without having to spend more money.

unemployed

08-21-08, 01:23 AM

anybody that's looking to buy a dvdo product. i've got a crystalimage vs4.0 that ill sell that will get you a pretty good discount on their products

barend

08-21-08, 04:31 AM

On 11-8 I mailed Aaron to send me the missing 12 way flat cable that runs from the trigger board to the main board.
No response.
If someone @ dvdo reads this, could he please remind him?

CogArch

08-25-08, 09:39 PM

It's time to upgrade the HT and after lurking on this board for a while, I thought I'd solicit some input. Not my first post, but I haven't posted in many years and have since changed my e-mail.

After a recent move, I can no longer block enough ambient light to effectively use my projector during the day. I plan on adding an LCD behind the dropdown screen to deal with this, for daytime gaming and TV.

With an impending installation of DISH Network this week and a new Wii Console, I need an AV switcher that can accept component and HDMI inputs. Ideally it will also output RGBHV. I also have an HTPC putting out a VGA signal, but can upgrade the video card to output component or HDMI.

Current Setup
Display:
Sony VPL-VW12HT 720p projector (RGBHV & Component inputs)
1080p ~42" LCD (no idea which one yet)
Receiver:
Harmon Kardon AVR85 receiver (circa 1997, supports digital optical/coax inputs and 5.1 Dolby)
Sources:
PS3
WII
DishNetwork VIP 622 or 722 (not delivered yet)
HTPC

I can get a good deal on a B-Stock VP50 through an authorized dealer, but wondering if it's worth the $. I've got a set budget for an LCD and AV switcher and the VP50 takes up close to half of it. Is the performance gain in PQ significant enough to sacrifice on the quality of an LCD? I'll sneak this last one in here too - if I'm doing all my video processing with the VP50, can I risk a 1080p LCD that has a great panel and weak video processing?

I like the VP50 as it appears to handle all of my input and output needs, it's at a decent pricepoint, and I can have it connected to both a 1080i projector and 1080p LCD (but can only have one output active at a time). If it can scale all my sources to output everything in 1080i to the projector and 1080p to the LCD and I calibrate it correctly, I might just have a respectable budget system.

Thanks!

D

HogPilot

08-26-08, 03:24 PM

I'm going to do my own greyscale calibration on my display this week. Am I right in assuming the VP50 test patterns (still) use the Rec601 color gamut?

If all you're doing is a greyscale calibration, the color space doesn't matter - that's independent of properly setting the RGB gain/bias on your display to achieve D65.

If you're planning on calibrating the display's gamut as well, then you'll have to worry about what colorspace the patterns that you're using are designed for.

avrtRick

09-07-08, 09:03 AM

Hi guys,

What is the most preffered, better de interlacing mode for a 576p signal

thanks in advance

dlm10541

09-07-08, 10:36 AM

Hi guys,

What is the most preffered, better de interlacing mode for a 576p signal

thanks in advance

576P is already deinterlaced.

choddo2006

09-07-08, 06:57 PM

Hi guys,

What is the most preffered, better de interlacing mode for a 576p signal

thanks in advance

Assuming you mean you want to use PREP to convert it back to 576i then deinterlace it? .... it depends entirely what the source material is. I leave mine on Auto most of the time but today noticed the F1 picture quality was so awful on ITV (in spite of that very cool helicopter camera) that I had to force it into Video mode to avoid quite a bit of combing.

avrtRick

09-08-08, 01:40 AM

dlm10541,
I should have explained in more detail, sorry about that

choddo2006,

(yep Prep enabled)
I know what you mean, I too was watching the F1 last night.

This might of seemed like a stupid question to ask(after having it for a year), but reason being is that I was,have been experiencing a bad vertical judder(only with inputting progessive signals , so last night I had a play around with the VP.

I turned off the Prep function and then, took a look at the cadence detection which was off, so I enabled,turned on the cadence detection and then turned on the Prep function and PRESTO the verticl judder was gone.
Back to great viewing,this thing still amazes me

Thanks for replying Guys

Rick

Catskinner

10-10-08, 03:53 AM

Does anyone have any idea on the release date for the next VP50 official firmware? Last beta dates to April.

JavierS

10-10-08, 04:12 AM

It wouldn't suprise me if it has been EOL'd already. Don't hold your breath waiting for an update.

DonoMan

10-10-08, 10:24 AM

Does anyone have any idea on the release date for the next VP50 official firmware? Last beta dates to April.

Who do you think they are - Lumagen?

sidb

10-10-08, 06:19 PM

If there will be no more updates, I'd appreciate knowing that, too. There are whispers around these forums of a couple of features working their way toward release; if they aren't coming, I can plan accordingly.

Catskinner

10-12-08, 07:10 AM

There is no reason for the VP50 to be EOL since it's not like the EDGE can replace it and even the VP50Pro is suffering from the same lack of updates.

JavierS

10-13-08, 03:31 AM

There is no reason for the VP50 to be EOL since it's not like the EDGE can replace it and even the VP50Pro is suffering from the same lack of updates.

There might be no reason to do it and happen anyway as it depends on the effort(cost)/benefit(profit) ratio. As you say, the Pro hasn't had any updates for some time and some users are complaining on many issues, if ABT has to assign its limited resources, which product/s do you think will get them? I might be wrong but I don't think the VP50 is their top selling product right now.

vfrjim

10-29-08, 04:11 PM

I was looking at the output format and 1080P 24 is greyed out, any idea on how to select it?

JavierS

10-29-08, 04:21 PM

I was looking at the output format and 1080P 24 is greyed out, any idea on how to select it?

You need to have at least one signal (check Frame Rate Conversión) being output as 24p usually its 24->24 but by default it comes 24->59.94.

vfrjim

10-29-08, 05:50 PM

You need to have at least one signal (check Frame Rate Conversión) being output as 24p usually its 24->24 but by default it comes 24->59.94.

Do you mean a source has to output 24P to be able to select it? I am a little confused.

I recently got a new display that accepts it, that is why I am asking.

Thanks

DonoMan

10-29-08, 05:56 PM

I was looking at the output format and 1080P 24 is greyed out, any idea on how to select it?

fw version?

JoshA

10-29-08, 05:59 PM

I was looking at the output format and 1080P 24 is greyed out, any idea on how to select it?

Follow these steps and not only should 1080p-24 not be grayed out but once you have set up Auto Display Profiles it will be recalled automatically.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14252982&highlight=12+step#post14252982

ulownz

11-02-08, 09:31 AM

Guys, I got a problem. I just sold my SDI Modified DV-981HD, which I used for YEARS with no problems, with my VP30 w/ABT card and SDI module. Well, I recently sold the unit to a gentleman and he is insisting that the unit I sold him does not work.

Below is what we know thus far:

1. The OPPO DV-981 is set at NTSC
2. The VP50 has the latest firmware. It's practically brand new.
3. The problem is not the HDMI cable, tried several of them.
4. The OPPO DV-981 is output to the VP50 and the VP50 is output to the display which is a brand new Panasonic 1080P plasma.
5. The settings are correct in the OPPO DV-981 and VP50 as far as I know
6. As a standalone, with the OPPO connected directly to the plasma, at 1080P, the flashing blue streaks across the screen are always there and the display blanks out including the audio every minute or so. At 480P, no
blue streaks and no blanking out but the image is small (480 displayed in
a 1080 screen). So as a standalone, with the OPPO DV-981 directly connected to the display at 1080P, the blue streak and blanking will always be there.
You can use 480P but it displays a small image. I think this means that this OPPO DV-981 cannot display 1080p properly and as I said before I have a DV-980 and 1080p is displayed properly with no issues.
7. With OPPO DV-981 connected to the VP50, at 480p or 1080p, the streaks go away and no blanking.
9. Here is my connection when trying to use SDI:

OPPO DV-981==> SDI Out ==> BNC cable ==> VP50 SDI In
VP50 HDMI Out ==> HDMI cable ==> Plasma HDMI In
Result: Blank screen, no sound

VP50 Remote: SDI button pressed. Result: VP50 Blue light does not come on. Always red which means no SDI signal detected from the OPPO DV-981.
Display remained blank, no sound.

In the above setup, the only connection from the OPPO DV-981 to the VP50 is via the SDI ports using the BNC cable. No other cables used.

I was thinking perhaps a HDCP issue but he says his DV 980 works fine with 1080P.

dlm10541

11-02-08, 09:50 AM

You may need to connect an audio cable from Oppo to the VP50. HDMI normally requires audio and video signal and you have no audio signal coming in.

Worth a try.

ulownz

11-02-08, 11:00 AM

Awesome idea.

He was under the impression an audio signal was carried over BNC via the SDI :rolleyes:

cinema mad

11-03-08, 10:45 AM

dlm10541 has made A good point because this is true for HDSDI moded Blu-Ray players as well, having the HDMI cable connected to get sound and picture, Let us know how it goes ulownz....

Cheers....

avrtRick

11-04-08, 03:35 AM

Hi Guys,

Im looking for help from the Experienced.

This is somewhat the same problem as my last post.

I am experiencing very very bad vertical and horizontal judder.
It is so jerky that it is unwatchable.
I had turned off the VP and pulled the plug from the wall and I let it sit
for the day and it had seemed to fix.

But upon viewing for about 4 to 5 hours the problem reappeared.

I am starting to think this problem rares its head when the unit starts to heat up because it only happens after a certain period(stated above)
could that be possible?

How can I check to see if the fan is working?

The problem persists on all input resolutions
The output is set to 1080p50(and 1080p60 accordingly)

This is scary(out of warranty)for me

Any help or info on this would be MOST appreciated.
Thanks

Rick

DonoMan

11-04-08, 12:31 PM

You didn't tell us what sources you are using.

avrtRick

11-07-08, 09:21 PM

Oppo 980 dvd player(I have tried all output resolutions)(HDMI)

Digitalview DVR810 outputting 576p and 1080i(HDMI)

VP50 connected to a Sony KDS60R2000 via HDMI(which by itself is smooth,no jerks with
above mentioned products)

These are the products that I am currently do all my viewing for FTA and dvd's
If I bypass the VP all is good.

If the problem keeps persisting I might try and update it(current f/w is 1.07)
to see if that helps.

Thanks Guys.

barend

11-11-08, 04:05 AM

Do not use the 50Hz output setting, some screens don't like it.
Stick to 60 Hz.
Of course the input may be 576, but instead of 576i I would advise to set the input equipment to 576p and use PPreP.
VP50 does not like 576i inputs very much and often shows tearing on the RH screen part or on the entire pic, or just a black screen, or judder.
Check the timings for 1060p (output setup) and fiddle a bit with sync and other hor timings (remember where you were before trying!).
I experienced a heat issue on two Pro's until I got the second replacement, this one seems OK.
Now I have a non-pro too and it's working flawlessly for some months now.
By all means do the 1.07 upgrade!
Cheeers
Barend

JimmyR

11-13-08, 04:47 PM

I've done some minimal searching here but I still can't find the answer, or at least an answer that I understand.

My question,
will the VP50 now be able to do 1080p (24) pass through ??

I have just updated from 1.06 to 1.08 but I haven't connected the VP50 back in the system.
Thanks........

JimmyR

11-17-08, 11:11 AM

Anyone ?

Is the VP50 (not Pro) able to do 1080p (24) pass through ??

Hothersale

11-18-08, 04:04 PM

No, I don't believe the VP50 has any sort of pass-through mode. I think that's just a feature on the VP30.

speters

11-28-08, 07:00 PM

I recently hooked up an older mac to my Vp50, it's a dual 2ghz G5, non intel. It is connected with a dvi to hdmi cable and the VP50 is connected to my JVC RS1 via hdmi and I have my output set to 1080p/60. When I select 1920x1080 (interlaced) in the display preferences of the mac, all of my windows and type look jagged. I have tried the different deinterlacing modes on the VP50 and that doesn't change anything. Changing the resolution to 1280x720 fixes the problem but I am not sure that is the best way to go? Any suggestions? One last thing, if I plug the mac into the JVC, bypassing the VP50, 1920x1080 looks totally fine, and in the display preferences there is not longer (interlaced) after the 1920x1080.

DonoMan

11-29-08, 05:02 PM

Why would you output 1080i from your computer?

speters

11-29-08, 11:32 PM

Well I would like to be able to output 480i but I can't seem to do that. I have been using a sdi modded Denon 3910 for my dvd playback, and right now the output from my computer does not look nearly as good.

jd213

12-17-08, 10:43 PM

I know there's been a lot of power brick failures for the 50Pro, you might want to test the voltage of your brick if you can.

Wrong

01-02-09, 10:23 AM

Hello all.
I can´t find the Beta Version(1.08) to download from the ABT HP.
Anyone got a solution for that?
Regards

keenan

01-02-09, 03:30 PM

What is the current FW version anyway? I haven't messed with mine in quite some time.

Mind Voyager

01-02-09, 04:01 PM

Hello all.
I can´t find the Beta Version(1.08) to download from the ABT HP.
Anyone got a solution for that?
Regards
I just downloaded from http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/update/vp50.beta_agreement.1.08.php with no problem.

gcchifi

01-05-09, 03:47 PM

Hello all. I have a basic question regarding this unit. Has anyone hooked up a Blu Ray player to it and used the PReP feature? The reviews on the unit have reported a much cleaner image. Is that the case? If so, was the Blu Ray player set to 480P and then had the VP50 do the reprocess to a higher res?

I have the possibility of acquiring a demo unit for a really low price. I am considering connecting it to my Sony LCD [720p]. I also have a pair of DVD changers that output 480P via HDMI that I could hook up to it. Thanks in advance.

Gary J

01-05-09, 03:52 PM

If so, was the Blu Ray player set to 480P and then had the VP50 do the reprocess to a higher res?

Scale perfectly good 1080p to 480p? Should be illegal! :eek:

gcchifi

01-05-09, 03:58 PM

Scale perfectly good 1080p to 480p? Should be illegal! :eek:

Yes it should be. LOL! If that's the case, then leave the signal at 720P and let it pass through? I need it as one video hub since my set has an archaic DVI input where I'll be using an adaptor.

Gary J

01-05-09, 04:09 PM

Yes a good rule of thumb is native resolution into the VP, preferred resolution of the display out of the VP.

chrhon

01-20-09, 03:38 AM

I just got a VP50 and hooked up to my sony projector. I was able to get the 1366x768 @ 56Hz, which is the projectors native, to work. However I have an issue: the image is smaller than the screen - essentially leaving me a dark gray box around the entire image. Its quite a bit more than a "few pixels". If I remember right my screen is about 100" wide and the gray border I speak of is about the width of my thumb, pretty equal on all sides.

Any ideas? When I go through the test patterns there is one a few after the blue with white boxes that looks like its black and white lines every other pixel. As far as I can tell that looks correct.

When I set the VP50 to 1080i or 720p @ 60hz I don't have this issue but the whole purpose of buying the VP50 was for scaling to the projector native and I've seen mentioned on this thread that people had this scaler with the Sony HS20 and loved it (I have the HS10 but the settings etc are the same for the input over DVI).

The image when watching blu-ray via the PS3 that I hooked up briefly for a test looked stunning. I'd just zoom in on the projector but that would only work for 3 sides of the image as the top of the screen is fixed even with the top of the projector.

The unit I received has firmware 1.04 on it. I am working on getting the needed usb->serial so that I can do the update. Anything in the newer firmware I need? (I'm using mainly for gaming and blu-ray).

Edit: I have done lots of googling and saw a few old posts on some forums claiming the sony projectors are actually 1386x788 - this would completly explain the penomenom I am seeing with the VP50. How strange that the specs say 1366x768 and it only accepts max resolution of 1366x768 but when you let the projector use its own scaler it uses the full resolution. I guess I will have to live with it in the name of better quality scaling.

gcchifi

01-20-09, 03:01 PM

Set up the VP50 last week. Very nice... Unit is upgraded to 1.08 software. Here's a strange one. I have two Sony DVP-CX995Vs whose HDMIs [set to 480P] were hooked up to the VP50. All I get is a black screen for each input. The LED is lit blue indicating a signal has been received and being processed. I press INFO on the remote which confirms the status. Normally, I get the Sony screensaver in the off position or a signal during play. I've switched cables which did not solve the problem. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.

DonoMan

01-20-09, 06:24 PM

Do the players work when hooked up directly to the display via the same HDMI settings?

gcchifi

01-20-09, 07:47 PM

Do the players work when hooked up directly to the display via the same HDMI settings?

Yes they do. Here's another quirk. I hook both up to a Geffen switcher which has a DVI out. I use an adapter so I can use an HDMI cable to the VP50. Presto...the video works. The bizarre part is that the changers are set to a res of 480P but routing them through the Geffen the VP50 recognizes them at 1080i. I am trying to get rid of the Geffen in the chain... It could be a "handshake" problem between the Sony changers and the VP50 when they are coupled directly.

Note... All other inputs work, both s-videos, components and the HDMIs which I have connected my satellite box along with my Onkyo receiver's HDMI output.

I want to use the PReP on the Sonys. It does wonders with the Blu Ray and HD-DVD players I have...clean and sharp.

barrygordon

01-20-09, 07:56 PM

First of all why do you set the changers to 480p? the discs are recorded at 480i. Let the VP50 do the scaling and let the sony leave the resolution off the disc as it is giving it to the VP50 at 480i.

gcchifi

01-20-09, 09:10 PM

First of all why do you set the changers to 480p? The discs are recorded at 480i. Let the VP50 do the scaling and let the Sony leave the resolution off the disc as it is giving it to the VP50 at 480i.

That would be optimal but unfortunately, the Sony changers don't output 480i on HDMI unlike my standalone Oppo. Their basic resolutions are at 480P, 720P and 1080i.

barrygordon

01-20-09, 11:17 PM

Ahh, That is one of the reasons I use the older Sony changers that do allow for 480i.

gcchifi

01-21-09, 12:20 AM

Ahh, That is one of the reasons I use the older Sony changers that do allow for 480i.

I probably will just use the component outputs and set them to interlaced instead. Which older changers do you use and do they have HDMI outputs? I've always thought that the 995 was the only one.

Gary J

01-21-09, 07:17 AM

Ahh, That is one of the reasons I use the older Sony changers that do allow for 480i.

480i does not even matter with PReP.

barrygordon

01-21-09, 08:34 AM

My changers are the 885's and I use component output from them through a KDS switcher. I saw no need for HDMI for a 480i signal and I liked the small form factor of the 885's. They are about 7 years old.

chrhon

01-29-09, 10:01 PM

FYI New Firmware out: v1.09

Axel

01-29-09, 10:39 PM

FYI New Firmware out: v1.09

Thanks chrhon.

From their website:
---------------------------
New Features:

Supports the ability to turn Progressive Cadence Detection On and Off. Progressive Cadence Detection is beneficial when the input frame rate and output frame rate are different. For example, if the input frame rate is 60Hz and the content is film-based (24fps) and the output frame rate is set to 24Hz (or a multiple of 24) than this feature should be set to ON.

Bug Fixes:

Fixed problem when there may be a small horizontal shift on analog output with XGA resolution
Fixed power up issues on certain units where noise is observed on the output

------------------------
Anybody tried it yet?
____
Axel

Axel

01-29-09, 10:41 PM

Link to firmware (http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/update/vp50.beta_agreement.1.09.php)
____
Axel

bigbrother52

01-29-09, 10:51 PM

If you have no need to turn Progressive Cadence Detection on and off, is there any reason to update from 1.07?

My VP-50 had a hard time with any version prior to 1.07 so I'm rather reluctant to try upgrades I have no use for.

chrhon

01-30-09, 12:42 AM

I haven't yet as I am using 1.08 beta and it has the ability to turn off progressive cadence (which I do need becuase with it on there is lots of lag for video games). I will try it this weekend if I have time but it takes a while as I have to unplug everything and bring the VP50 to my computer.

Question: When I am changing channels on my cable box and its changing between 1080i and 480i sometimes (maybe 10%) of the time the VP-50 will screw the colors all up on the 480i channels. If I turn off the VP-50 and turn it back on all is fixed. It only happens if I am going back and forth from something high def and something low def. Anyone else have this problem?

bigbrother52

01-30-09, 01:35 AM

Question: When I am changing channels on my cable box and its changing between 1080i and 480i sometimes (maybe 10%) of the time the VP-50 will screw the colors all up on the 480i channels. If I turn off the VP-50 and turn it back on all is fixed. It only happens if I am going back and forth from something high def and something low def. Anyone else have this problem?

Unfortunately, I find it's not unusual for allot of these devices to have their own individual quirks.

Mine causes the HDMI audio from the DVR to motorboat when switching between 1080 and 720.
It only happens 10% of the time and I have a quick fix as you do, the other 90% it's great. IMO, if that percentage was the other way around or there was no quick fix, then we'd have a problem.

john.harris

02-01-09, 03:59 PM

My VP50 will not dispaly a 576p signal onto a 720p screen. The blue LED is on and constant but I get a black screen. I have tried another source and get a jumbled up picture with that. With my VP50 Pro I get a picture with both sources. The configuration is the same for both where possible.

The source that does not work is a Grundig Freesat receiver and the jumbled up picture is from a Sony Freeview receiver / DVD player.

It did not work with V1.08 or V1.09

It is the first time I have used the HDMI input, with the VP50Pro i always use it.

Any ideas anaybody.

John

phebert91

02-16-09, 08:09 AM

baaless

02-16-09, 10:55 PM

Could someone give me a quick primer (or link to the discussion that I cannot find) on downloading he latest firmware for the VP 50? Also what is the best order in setting up the up the VP 50 with a Barco 808g? When I feed the DishNetwork 1080i signal to the VP 50 and output it as 1080p I get sparkles in the picture. When I step down to 1440X 980 the sparkles are gone. I want to get rid of the faint 3/32" scan lines in 1080i. Please direct me to the proper discussions. Thanks

bluechunks

02-17-09, 09:02 AM

Could someone give me a quick primer (or link to the discussion that I cannot find) on downloading he latest firmware for the VP 50?
The firmware, and instructions, are on the DVDO VP support site:

http://www.anchorbaytech.com/support/software_downloads/vp.php

v1.09 is the current firmware, and you can find out what version you have by pressing 'Info' on the VP50 remote. Any previous version can be updated directly to v1.09. Note: updating early versions of the software will wipe out your settings so make notes prior to the update to ease to setup.

To update your firmware you will need a PC (laptop or desktop) with a serial port that is placed within reach of the serial cable that was supplied with your VP50.

If you have a newer computer without a serial port you will require an 'approved' USB-serial adapter listed on the support page. I ordered the USB Gear adapter (http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-232MM.html) referenced on the DVDO site and it worked well with my Mac laptop running Vista under Boot Camp. I don't know about XP, but using Vista the USB adapter was detected and drivers were installed automagically.

Read the instructions all the way through, including the 'troubleshooting' in Step 7, and then follow the instructions step-by-step and things will work out fine.

Good luck!

ps I don't see the version history for the software anywhere on the DVDO site, but if my diminishing memory serves, a prior update made a reference to eliminating sparkles.

d.j.

02-19-09, 10:01 AM

Hi everyone

I have a problem with my Iscan DVDO VP50 (firm. 1.07).

With the following setup :

Sony BD350 Blu-ray Player -> Denon AVR 3808 receiver -> DVDO VP50 -> Sony VPL-HW10 videoprojector, 1080p24 input/ouput.

I have a few "black screens" ( maybe 5 or 6 ) during a movie... it seems the projector loses the signal during 2/3 seconds, then back. This is very annoying, of course the problem disapears when I hook the Denon HDMI output directly to the projector.

I did not have any problem with my previous projector (Panasonic PT-AE2000).

Any idea ? I think to an HDCP issue ? or a timing issue with the Sony maybe ?

Thanks for your help

Phebert
Funny, I have seen the same a couple of times, when I was setting a BDP-S550 via component output 1080i) to VP50 version 1.06 and outputtet via BNC ( 1080P) to my CRT - before that, I have never seen it before ( have an PS3 connectet too - also via component and in1080i/ out 1080P )
After that I even saw the PS3 do it a few times ( black screen about a second ) but have not testet it the last days - I will look after it the next days, to see if it still do it.

But we can with big confidence say, that it cant be the HDCP ( the is no, on the component ) and my CRT have never had any problems with the timings.

When I had the black outs, my info screen from the VP50 input sections said " no signal or Unknown signal ( cant really remember with one, sorry :o )
so I think it has something to do with the input signal - the movie I saw it with, was the X-files ( the new one ) and it was repeatable on the BDP-S550 at the same spot ( around 1 hour.15 min. and 13. sec ) but on the PS3 it happening later :confused: but again repeatable.
I di try two different inputs ( component 1 and the BNC with adapteres BNC/Phono ) and two different cables.

I have had the VP50 for a long time ( years ) and I have never seen it before with the PS3 or any other product I have ( VCR, DVD, DVB-T , )

If I find out anything - I will post it ( or if I see it again in other movies) - by the way, it will be by the PS3.

dj

phebert91

02-20-09, 04:41 AM

Thanks dj for your reply :)

I have inquired to DVDO Help Desk too, still waiting ...

cpc

03-15-09, 10:49 AM

Any idea's as to why I couldn't get my component inputs to work yesterday? I brought my VP50 to a friends house to see how it performed on his Panasonic plasma and my component inputs on my VP50 wouldn't show a signal. The dvd player I had connected via component cables was a Yamaha C750 which has perfectly working component outputs set to interlaced. I ended up having to use s-video (composite inputs on the vp50 also worked). Of course, this was less than ideal.

I tried re-setting the factory defaults but that didn't help. I'll check which firmware version I have. The component inputs have worked in the past and I've been mainly using the VP50 with it's SDI input.

I wonder if I was doing something wrong?

thanks in advance for any help,

:)