Yes and Yes!

Starting today the VP50 started shipping :D

Woo-hoo! Play time . . .

Can someone remind me the exact way to get the RMA for trading in one's VP30? Do we call DVDO or do we e-mail someone there ? And if so, what's their e-mail address? Can't remember how this was done last time . . .

Also, and forgive me if this has been covered, but can the same SDI module--that I took out of my old iScan HD+ and put in my VP30--now be taken out of my VP30 and out in the VP50?

TIA.

- Gerry

Can someone remind me the exact way to get the RMA for trading in one's VP30? Do we call DVDO or do we e-mail someone there ? And if so, what's their e-mail address? Can't remember how this was done last time . . .
http://www.dvdo.com/faq/internat_upg.php

Also, and forgive me if this has been covered, but can the same SDI module--that I took out of my old iScan HD+ and put in my VP30--now be taken out of my VP30 and out in the VP50?
Yes.

...When the product ships, you have 30 days to return your trade-in unit. The RMA# and full instructions for returning your old iScan will be sent to you...

Is the RMA included with or in the VP50 box?

Yes and Yes!

Starting today the VP50 started shipping :D

As the kids would say: DVDO Rules!!!! :) :D

Yes and Yes!

Starting today the VP50 started shipping :D


Cool! :D

Josh/Dale/DVDO= class act.

I can't wait to get this thing. So now the VP is upgraded...the PJ is upgraded...and next on the list is upgrade of the MC12 to HD.....

My wife is gonna kill me....thank god these things look relatively the same.....sneaky bastard that I am!!!!!!

But it's not the 45th of September yet......... :D

But it's not the 45th of September yet......... :D
It will be by the time the mule train gets it to you :D

Quick question. Whats the best way to remove the SDI module from the VP30? I don't want to damage my VP30 taking it out so I get my full refund. If anyone has any suggestions they would be very usefull.

It will be by the time the mule train gets it to you :D


Hmmmmm, and I think they may be sending them out right now with the shipments.... ;)

http://www.mojavemuleskinners.com/images/20muleteam.jpg

Please be aware that we have quite a backlog and quite a lot of interest in the VP50. We will send you a tracking number when your unit ships. Please do not overwhelm us with calls asking if your unit has shipped.

Please be aware that we have quite a backlog and quite a lot of interest in the VP50. We will send you a tracking number when your unit ships. Please do not overwhelm us with calls asking if your unit has shipped.
Quite goofing off Josh and back to the shipping dept. Don't you have some labels to address, like mine. ;) You can play on the Internet latter, that includes no porn for now. :D

Just make sure the delivery mules are sent out well fed first, because I don't want them stopping off and wasting time at McDonalds on the way.. ;)

Patience Grasshopper.....

Patience Grasshopper.....

Easy for you to say. Because they are probably using the much faster delivery moose, for Canadian deliveries... ;)

Please be aware that we have quite a backlog and quite a lot of interest in the VP50. We will send you a tracking number when your unit ships. Please do not overwhelm us with calls asking if your unit has shipped.

I was about to leave 20 messages :rolleyes:

Easy for you to say. Because they are probably using the much faster delivery moose, for Canadian deliveries... ;)


I hope so. :D

Please be aware that we have quite a backlog and quite a lot of interest in the VP50. We will send you a tracking number when your unit ships. Please do not overwhelm us with calls asking if your unit has shipped.


And THAT means YOU! :D

In all seriousness guys, let's not bug DVDO and let them do their work. :)

We will all have our toys soon... :cool:

I might be showing my newbness here but you know what they say about dumb questions... :D

As the soon-to-be owner of a VP50, I'm wondering if there's a chance that the handling of changes in resolution will be improved.

Here's what I'm trying to get at:

I recently just purchased a Tivo Series 3 HD recorder and one of the options for outputting resolution is "native" which passes the channels native resolution.

With my VP30 I'm finding that when the channel changes between a 720p and 1080i source there's a substantial delay (2-3 seconds) and lots of flickering onscreen before the channel appears.

Am I correct in my assumption that this is a VP thing and not a Tivo issue?

Thanks!

I don't have that problem with my VP30 and HR10-250.

aaronwt:

The HR10-250 does not have a "Native Mode" output. That is one of the biggest problems with the unit for owners of external video processors. You set it to 720p and it will output everything in 720p regardless of the native format.

Say-- did anyone talk with DVDO about their updating their SD-SDI module to a dual SD/HD-SDI module? It looks like there are going to be HD-SDI conversions available for the Toshibas.

Lore

aaronwt:

The HR10-250 does not have a "Native Mode" output. That is one of the biggest problems with the unit for owners of external video processors. You set it to 720p and it will output everything in 720p regardless of the native format.


Doh! Yes, I wasn't thinking!

I have the new DirecTV HR20 DVR and I like that is has the native resolution option. That will come in handy! ;)

I have the new DirecTV HR20 DVR and I like that is has the native resolution option. That will come in handy! ;)

so far, the zensonic and other network media players do not have a 'native resolution option' either........but we are working on them to get it added to
their feature sets

I might be showing my newbness here but you know what they say about dumb questions... :D

As the soon-to-be owner of a VP50, I'm wondering if there's a chance that the handling of changes in resolution will be improved.

Here's what I'm trying to get at:

I recently just purchased a Tivo Series 3 HD recorder and one of the options for outputting resolution is "native" which passes the channels native resolution.

With my VP30 I'm finding that when the channel changes between a 720p and 1080i source there's a substantial delay (2-3 seconds) and lots of flickering onscreen before the channel appears.

Am I correct in my assumption that this is a VP thing and not a Tivo issue?

Thanks!
I have the S3 as well with a VP30, and it does the same thing. There's nothing wrong, it's operating as it should, it's mildly annoying, but not a big deal. I think there was discussion in one of these threads about a video mute when changing input resolutions but it happens so fast it doesn't bother me at all.

I will say having native res output for cable is really, really, nice--puts the cable company box to shame, not to mention the improved PQ from the S3 over the cable STB.

http://www.dvdo.com/faq/internat_upg.php


Yes.

Well, it wasn't exactly clear and it didn't actually say how to get the RMA #. :confused:

And it didn't exactly say who to return it to if you ordered direct online from DVDO. Just your local distributor or reseller.

Also, when I ordered, I wasn't prompted for my VP30 serial number. The online order got bolluxed up due to the credit card company denying the charge, and I had to e-mail Josh who got their people to contact me, and the rest of the order was handled over the phone. And they didn't ask me for my VP30 serial number. :confused:

So I'm not sure where I stand or what to do . . .

- Confused in Minnesota

Thanks keenan for that feedback. Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Having native output is a huge win for sure---can't wait to get my VP50 now!!

Well, it wasn't exactly clear and it didn't actually say how to get the RMA #.


Yes it does, if you look in the right place.

http://www.dvdo.com/faq/faq_upg.php


"To order your upgrade with trade-in

You must order directly from our website using your credit card. Request an RMA# by emailing to upgrade@dvdo.com, including the serial number of the old iScan unit in your request. Then return your old iScan unit to receive instant credit against your credit card as soon as we receive your old unit. Please make a note as to whether this unit is functioning properly; not functioning; or you "do not know". (This helps us in our pre-sorting for test and future warranty repair parts.)

This special trade-in upgrade program is available only from the DVDO website."


" Trade-in products must be postmarked within 60 days of upgrade purchase shipment date to qualify for credit. Units arriving after that time will be returned, and no credit will be issued.

Once a trade-in purchase has been made, the credit card will not be charged until the product ships.

When the product ships, you can contact us within 30 days of shipment to either:
1. return the product for a full refund, or
2. acquire an RMA# for the trade-in unit.

If you elect to acquire an RMA#, you will have 60 days from the time you receive your new iScan to return the trade-in unit. Upon receiving the trade-in unit we will inspect the product and then issue the correct return credit for the type of unit.

Once we have received the trade-in product and we have issued a credit for the unit, the sale is considered “final” and the trade-in unit is the sole property of Anchor Bay Technologies.

If your trade-in unit has an SDI input module (SDI-601) installed, you will be given no additional trade-in credit if it is sent in with your trade-in unit. We recommend that you uninstall this module before sending in your trade-in unit, we will not reinstall your SDI input module in your new unit. Your new unit will come with two plastic standoffs to facilitate the reinstallation of your SDI input module, so you need not uninstall these from your trade-in unit. (Does not apply to VP20 models)

iScan HD units with board-level upgrades qualify for iScan HD+ trade-in credit amount.

To receive your RMA#, or for questions, email to upgrade@dvdo.com or call 866-423-DVDO. Remember to provide the serial number of your old unit when requesting an RMA#.

Return your old DVDO iScan model to

DVDO Trade-in Program
Attn: RMA#______
300 Orchard City Drive #131
Campbell, CA 95008"

Thanks keenan for that feedback. Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Having native output is a huge win for sure---can't wait to get my VP50 now!!
Yes it is, very cool. :)

Yes it does, if you look in the right place.

http://www.dvdo.com/faq/faq_upg.php


"To order your upgrade with trade-in

You must order directly from our website using your credit card. Request an RMA# by emailing to upgrade@dvdo.com, including the serial number of the old iScan unit in your request. Then return your old iScan unit to receive instant credit against your credit card as soon as we receive your old unit. Please make a note as to whether this unit is functioning properly; not functioning; or you "do not know". (This helps us in our pre-sorting for test and future warranty repair parts.)

This special trade-in upgrade program is available only from the DVDO website."


" Trade-in products must be postmarked within 60 days of upgrade purchase shipment date to qualify for credit. Units arriving after that time will be returned, and no credit will be issued.

Once a trade-in purchase has been made, the credit card will not be charged until the product ships.

When the product ships, you can contact us within 30 days of shipment to either:
1. return the product for a full refund, or
2. acquire an RMA# for the trade-in unit.

If you elect to acquire an RMA#, you will have 60 days from the time you receive your new iScan to return the trade-in unit. Upon receiving the trade-in unit we will inspect the product and then issue the correct return credit for the type of unit.

Once we have received the trade-in product and we have issued a credit for the unit, the sale is considered “final” and the trade-in unit is the sole property of Anchor Bay Technologies.

If your trade-in unit has an SDI input module (SDI-601) installed, you will be given no additional trade-in credit if it is sent in with your trade-in unit. We recommend that you uninstall this module before sending in your trade-in unit, we will not reinstall your SDI input module in your new unit. Your new unit will come with two plastic standoffs to facilitate the reinstallation of your SDI input module, so you need not uninstall these from your trade-in unit. (Does not apply to VP20 models)

iScan HD units with board-level upgrades qualify for iScan HD+ trade-in credit amount.

To receive your RMA#, or for questions, email to upgrade@dvdo.com or call 866-423-DVDO. Remember to provide the serial number of your old unit when requesting an RMA#.

Return your old DVDO iScan model to

DVDO Trade-in Program
Attn: RMA#______
300 Orchard City Drive #131
Campbell, CA 95008"

Thanks, John. I'm on spin cycle today . . . :)

- Gerry

Say-- did anyone talk with DVDO about their updating their SD-SDI module to a dual SD/HD-SDI module? It looks like there are going to be HD-SDI conversions available for the Toshibas.

Lore

Lore, they are working on the HD-SDI modules.. but it hasnt been officially announced.

The HD-SDI mod for the Toshiba's are already going. I've had mine for a good month (although I was the first :) )

Anyone receive a tracking number today?

Anyone receive a tracking number today?


If you have, I don't want to hear about it!!!!!!!! :mad:

So has anyone had their credit card charged yet? I would think that would happen before they ship the VP50.

Will VP50 do a panoramic stretch of 4:3 material?

Thanks,
Ken

Will VP50 do a panoramic stretch of 4:3 material?

Thanks,
Ken


Yes.

Thanks Tim, that's great. I asked as a shot in the dark. My first gen Sammy DLP just went down and all of the new models have dropped Panorama stretch. (when did that happen?)

Still lot's of 4:3 SD around our house.

Ken

Anyone receive a tracking number today?

I pre-ordered early on 8/24. I have not received any notice yet from DVDO. I'm sure many folks ordered before me :)

SJ

They are enroute into the US from Malaysia. None have shipped to consumers yet, but rest assured, AVS customers are getting them first.

They are enroute into the US from Malaysia. None have shipped to consumers yet, but rest assured, AVS customers are getting them first.

And that's a good list to be on ;)

FWIW, guys, I ordered a VP50 and several other toys from Jason today. Great guy and a pleasure to do business with. I highly recommend that if you're looking to buy one of these that you give him a call!

They are enroute into the US from Malaysia. None have shipped to consumers yet, but rest assured, AVS customers are getting them first.

Thanks Jason!

Lore, they are working on the HD-SDI modules.. but it hasnt been officially announced.

The HD-SDI mod for the Toshiba's are already going. I've had mine for a good month (although I was the first :) )
Have you had a chance to compare HD-SDI to HDMI yet on the Toshiba? Is there a noticable difference? Thanks!

They are enroute into the US from Malaysia. None have shipped to consumers yet, but rest assured, AVS customers are getting them first.

Wow... I wonder how that impacts the deliveries by mule train here in the US and the moose train in Canada... :D
With a mixing of them in with a transfer somewhere with the animals that are native to Malaysia, this could get complicated.... ;)


"One of the world's most endangered animals is also unique to this part of the world the orang utan, found only in Sumatra and Borneo, is the only great ape living naturally outside Africa.

Other animal species of Malaysia include bears, crocodiles, elephants, leopards, monkeys, panthers and rhinoceroses. Borneo has over 160 species of snakes, including the venomous cobras, kraits and sea-snakes. All seven known species of turtles, including the giant leatherback, lay their eggs on Malaysia's beaches."

Have you had a chance to compare HD-SDI to HDMI yet on the Toshiba? Is there a noticable difference? Thanks!

Unfortunately (or maybe not so unfortunately) with my setup, my projectors are a blended pair of Marquee 9500LC Ultra's ... these are analog crt projectors... so at present I dont have any way of putting HDMI into them (there are ways but I'm not happy with them)

Wow... I wonder how that impacts the deliveries by mule train here in the US and the moose train in Canada... :D
With a mixing of them in with a transfer somewhere with the animals that are native to Malaysia, this could get complicated.... ;)


IIRC, the BEAST OF BURDEN in S.E. Asia is the Water Buffalo or Oxen.
Unsure how that will affect Jason's delivery schedule... :D

switching does take a couple of seconds to settle in, which is how it works today with most processors.

regarding the NLS, I sent in my vote to improve the NLS of the VP30/VP50. I think that's one of the features that still needs work in both of these units.

One reason I have the VP50 is so that it coul de-interlace 1080i from the Xbox360.... now apparently they have announced the 360 will come with 1080p support. I am just assuming here this will be done with internal 1080i deinterlacing... and in future 1080p native from the game. For the time being... do you think that the VP50 would do a better job of it than the 360??

You could use Prep on the 1080p output of the XBox360.

They are enroute into the US from Malaysia. None have shipped to consumers yet, but rest assured, AVS customers are getting them first.


Bastards.....

You could use Prep on the 1080p output of the XBox360.

Hmm... maybe I dont understand Prep, but couldnt you just choose to output 1080i instead?

They are enroute into the US from Malaysia. None have shipped to consumers yet, but rest assured, AVS customers are getting them first.
Looks like no shipments this week. Is it ship or plane and do they still have to clear customs?

They are enroute into the US from Malaysia. None have shipped to consumers yet, but rest assured, AVS customers are getting them first.

Bummer... so we are at least a week out before anyone starts getting tracking numbers, maybe more?? :eek:

Unless they ship to consumers and vendors directly from Malaysia, then they haven't "started to ship" yet. If they are coming to DVDO, then when they leave DVDO, then they will have started to ship. I'm still betting on September, a 30 day one.

Isn't this all counter to what Josh said about shipping this week? Not that it will make a difference to me....I'm asking more to verify which info is accurate Josh or Jason.

They are enroute into the US from Malaysia. None have shipped to consumers yet, but rest assured, AVS customers are getting them first.

Guess that means the salesman on the phone at DVDO was telling a little fib, when he said he was surrounded by "boxes of them." Waiting to be debugged. Unless they found a bug so major they had to all be shipped back to Malaysia. ???

DVDO rep's words, not mine. I just was asking status before ordering, and he was answering. btw, this was in 2nd day of preorder period - before Sept.

Guess that means the salesman on the phone at DVDO was telling a little fib, when he said he was surrounded by "boxes of them." Waiting to be debugged. Unless they found a bug so major they had to all be shipped back to Malaysia. ???

DVDO rep's words, not mine. I just was asking status before ordering, and he was answering. btw, this was in 2nd day of preorder period - before Sept.
Maybe those were 5 or 6 beta test units spread around his desk. :D

One reason I have the VP50 is so that it coul de-interlace 1080i from the Xbox360.... now apparently they have announced the 360 will come with 1080p support. I am just assuming here this will be done with internal 1080i deinterlacing... and in future 1080p native from the game. For the time being... do you think that the VP50 would do a better job of it than the 360??
A 360 can't actually render the game at any resolution you select. Instead, each game has one secret native resolution, usually 1280x720 but sometimes even less, like 1024x600, at which it is rendered internally. Then the XBox 360 scales the video to whatever output resolution you've set. So you will usually get the best picture by setting the 360 to 720p and then having the VP50 scale to match your display.

The point of allowing 1080p output is for people with whose 1080p display scales worse than the 360; so that the upcoming HD-DVD add-on can use that resolution; and so that a hypothetical game could internally render at 1080p (but such a game would have to cut way back on graphical effects to maintain framerate, so probably no developer will ever choose to do that.)

Good News!

The units have left the production facility in Malaysia.

Here is Josh with his fleet ready to transport to the US.

Isn't this all counter to what Josh said about shipping this week? Not that it will make a difference to me....I'm asking more to verify which info is accurate Josh or Jason.

Jason is correct that the VP50s are shipping from Malaysia. Orders will be filled over the next couple of weeks with AVS Forum orders being filled first. I should have been more clear with my announcement. :o

Good News!

The units have left the production facility in Malaysia.

Here is Josh with his fleet ready to transport to the US.
I hope mine's not in the 3ed boat. :eek: Paddle faster Josh. :D

Jason is correct that the VP50s are shipping from Malaysia. Orders will be filled over the next couple of weeks with AVS Forum orders being filled first. I should have been more clear with my announcement. :o

Good to know. Now I can at least stop checking my inbox every five minutes to see if my VP50 has shipped for at least a week. :D

Good to know. Now I can at least stop checking my inbox every five minutes to see if my VP50 has shipped for at least a week. :D


Yeah, but now you must worry that might be delivered by one of the venomous cobras from Malaysia..... :D

Yeah, but now you must worry that might be delivered by one of the venomous cobras from Malaysia..... :D

I'll fight a cobra for a VP50. :D

coming to a theater near you......"Snakes in vp50 box"

I'll fight a cobra for a VP50. :D

If it has a Shelby logo on it, with a 427 under the aluminum hood, and it was made in 1965-1966.
Then I'll take the Cobra! And you can have the VP50.

coming to a theater near you......"Snakes in vp50 box"

are they coming by plane?
:D

or ship!

are they coming by plane?
:D

or ship!

So Josh when will they get the THX logo's attached or is that already done?

Daniel.

I don't care if Snakes on a Plane hinder delivery or pirates and sharks threaten the DVDO fleet, it ain't Sept. 46th.... :D

this thread is cracking me up :D

-Gary

this thread is cracking me up :D

-Gary
That is easy for you to say since you have your VP50. :p

Josh. It is "clearer" not "more clear". On a clear day, you can see the shipment coming.

The demo was 480p in and out, to what, a 765p plasma? Something like that. HDMI in and out? I do not remember.

it's just nice to see so many folks so excited over a item :) and it is not without merit, the VP50 is the king of processors without any question ;)

-Gary

If it is as good as Gary says then I will be keeping it over my Crystalioll. That unit will be tough to beat though. I really like having 2 HDMI outs and the user interface is the best I have seen on a video procesor. But of course it all comes down to pic Q. If the VP50 is better than I will definitely keep it. It is going to be a fun couple of weeks... :)

Do let us know how they compare joerod

Josh. It is "clearer" not "more clear". On a clear day, you can see the shipment coming.

oh, I don't know, perhaps Josh did not want to make it 'clear', just a bit more clear than it was.... :D

this is getting silly now :o

I'm just a silly guy.

Maybe a silly question here but:

Why is the VP50 limited to 1080p@50/60Hz?? Why not 72/75Hz?? Is it because this requires too much processing power, or that not many displays can support this? Maybe a firmware upgrade?

I for one would love to see 1080p@72 for film based material on my setup.

Are there any video processors even capable of this (or soon to be released)?

So Josh when will they get the THX logo's attached or is that already done?

As I understand it, the first batch of orders will not have the THX logo, but later batches will.

Something positive that I don't think has been mentioned yet. The last few beta firmware updates did not erase any of my previously-entered settings. All of my profiles, aspect ratio presets, and picture calibrations remained intact through the firmware upgrade. That's a huge convenience.

Whats this about a THX logo....???

As i understand it, and I may be wrong, HDMI can't do 1080p 72 HZ.

As i understand it, and I may be wrong, HDMI can't do 1080p 72 HZ.
I think HDMI 1.2 doesn't have enough bandwidth for that, but HDMI 1.3 can do it just fine. Anyway, I don't see much sense in that, since 1080p24 over HDMI should be "identical" to 1080p72. If the display devices understands 1080p72, it should also understand 1080p24 and then internally multiply that to 48/72Hz.

I don't want to be a party pooper, but it's quite funny to see the excitement. PREP sounds great (or should i say looks great :)) OK. But how about the annoying audio and usability features? The VP30 is not stable in several respects. Some posters are still playing it down (ok, I am sure those posters have no issues), but really, the audio issue is too bad to believe, but its true for about 6 months :(. It seems that priority of DVDO has shifted to the commercially more interesting new features. Maybe the beta testers have no comments because they use serial connections and route audio around the VP?

Fact is (confirmed in this thread): when your new VP50 will be delivered, you may have an audio issue. This issue is "being worked on". It is also safe to assume to better forget about discrete codes. As a bottom line there are still a few funny VP30 image sharpness issues, which may or may not be present in the VP50. Al in al: i would trade PREP (and more...) for a "HD" or "HD+" quality system. But I guess the next months wil be mainly PREParing ;) Will there be time to debug for those of us with only simple and moderate (and longlasting) wishes?

Ah well, maybe these days are just over... (ok, ok, discrete on HD+ had the same prob)

I don't want to be a party pooper, but it's quite funny to see the excitement. PREP sounds great (or should i say looks great :)) OK. But how about the annoying audio and usability features? The VP30 is not stable in several respects. Some posters are still playing it down (ok, I am sure those posters have no issues), but really, the audio issue is too bad to believe, but its true for about 6 months :(. It seems that priority of DVDO has shifted to the commercially more interesting new features. Maybe the beta testers have no comments because they use serial connections and route audio around the VP?

Fact is (confirmed in this thread): when your new VP50 will be delivered, you may have an audio issue. This issue is "being worked on". It is also safe to assume to better forget about discrete codes. As a bottom line there are still a few funny VP30 image sharpness issues, which may or may not be present in the VP50. Al in al: i would trade PREP (and more...) for a "HD" or "HD+" quality system. But I guess the next months wil be mainly PREParing ;) Will there be time to debug for those of us with only simple and moderate (and longlasting) wishes?

Ah well, maybe these days are just over... (ok, ok, discrete on HD+ had the same prob)

Your points are well taken but I do wonder if you can share with us which video processor is perfect so we can all go buy that one? I agree DVDO has let this audio bug linger a bit too long but based on their excellent history of customer responsiveness and participation on this forum I think they are owed a bit more latitude. So if you don't like the party....leave. It's really that simple. And if you know of a better party please do invite us to come along! :)

As I understand it, the first batch of orders will not have the THX logo, but later batches will.


That seems odd....has the VP50 not passed the certification process yet?
If it has, does DVDO not have the stickers?
If they don't, THX is right up the freeway from them... :confused:

... But how about the annoying audio and usability features? The VP30 is not stable in several respects...

I don't know if you are aware, but just about everything you buy has a bug list, and the more complex it is, the longer that list becomes. If we waited for VPx0 perfection, we would be still waiting. Same with every product we buy. I believe they even had problems with the rocks in the stone age, but they dealt with it. I am an Electrical Engineer, and have had design influence in a great number of products that are in use by the majority of us. I hate to tell you, but those products aren't perfect either. Yes, some of those Bugs are down right Buggers! I am grateful that DVDO utilize this forum to keep us abreast and samples complaints.

I love my VP30,
OK there's your sales pitch Josh and Dale, now get my VP50 here.

As I understand it, DVDO and most of its dealers have a very fair return policy. If the unit has intolerable bugs to you, it can be returned Personally, I don't route my sound through any of my VPs.


HDMI has been a nightmare for almost the entire industry. Processor manufacturers make products that are not sources or displays in the HDMI world. They make HDMI relayers. The HDMI spec is 270 or so pages long. One is lucky if a source or display complies with 40% of the spec. Unfortunately, the processor has to work with all these not fully compliant sources. The processor often has to trick a source into thinking that it is a compliant display, not a relayer because the source doesn't comply with the spec regarding how it is to interact with a relayer. A true nightmare using often bad cables and flimsy connectors to boot. Ain't technology grand?

I will add that I am running 4 devices via HDMI to the VP-50 then HDMI to my receiver then HDMI to my display. I must be totally crazy right?? Probably but spaghetti behind component stack is substantilaly reduced.

On 2 input devices I also run an optical feed to the VP for several reasons. Over all the setup has only occasional handshaking problems when switching devices.
It is much cleaner than you might expect.

I still have issues at times with total audio loss over HDMI when switching channels on my cable DVR. Never a problem with the optical input. DVDO has tried to correct this and still may be successful but it shows the potential compatability problems that have little to do with DVDO

It is my opinion that the issues with momentary audio drop out may be solved. In my case I have had none in weeks. The proof however will be when the new units hit the street.

While issues may still exist the VP-50 is less buggy at introduction than the VP-30 is currently. :)

I am sure that any fixes found for the VP-50 will find there way to the VP-20 and VP-30 shortly.

...the HDMI world. They make HDMI relayers. The HDMI spec is 270 or so pages long. ...

That is just for one HDMI standard.
1.0, 1.2, 1.2a and 1.3 are all each a whole new set of Documentation.

Originally Posted by Josh Z
As I understand it, the first batch of orders will not have the THX logo, but later batches will.


Any chance you give us first order guys the thx logo to put on our units at a later date?
Something like the raised DVDO logo?

I think HDMI 1.2 doesn't have enough bandwidth for that, but HDMI 1.3 can do it just fine. Anyway, I don't see much sense in that, since 1080p24 over HDMI should be "identical" to 1080p72. If the display devices understands 1080p72, it should also understand 1080p24 and then internally multiply that to 48/72Hz.

Does analog rgbhv have this limitation in bandwidth?

If it were possible, I'd be doing it through analog, as my setup is analog. So in this case, sending the crt projectors 1080p24 will output 1080p24, they aren't able to multiply themselves to get 1080p72.

Looks like I'm stuck sending them 1080p48/60... which do you think would be better? 48 or 60Hz for film based material?

Originally Posted by Josh Z
As I understand it, the first batch of orders will not have the THX logo, but later batches will.


Any chance you give us first order guys the thx logo to put on our units at a later date?
Something like the raised DVDO logo?
What! :D No THX logo! :rolleyes: Well I'm sending my VP50 back if theres no logo on it. :D :D

whats on the inside is what counts ;), I wouldn't care if my VP50 was in a VP30 case, oh wait it is :D and I couldn't care less ;)

-Gary

Will th3 VP50 be firmware upgradable without losing your current settings?

- Rich

Yes Rich :)

-Gary

Does analog rgbhv have this limitation in bandwidth?
I don't know.

They could just use some white chalk and write THX on it if it makes them feel better... :D

They could just use some white chalk and write THX on it if it makes them feel better... :D


It does make a interesting question, if all of the 'hardware' is loaded and can change on every firmware what are they testing? I mean version 1.0.2 might pass the THX tests but that doesn't mean 1.1.3 does. If it means that every firmware has to be tested it would mean less frequent updates for sure.

Daniel.

That seems odd....has the VP50 not passed the certification process yet?
If it has, does DVDO not have the stickers?
If they don't, THX is right up the freeway from them... :confused:
How about "VP50" stickers for those who have bought the VP30 Silver face-plates? ;)

I find it hard to justify purchasing a 2nd silver face-plate (for VP50) when the older one for VP30 fits just as well.. :(

What! :D No THX logo! :rolleyes: Well I'm sending my VP50 back if theres no logo on it. :D :D

Maybe they will send us free silver face-plates with THX on it :)
SJ

Originally Posted by Josh Z
As I understand it, the first batch of orders will not have the THX logo, but later batches will.

Any chance you give us first order guys the thx logo to put on our units at a later date?
Something like the raised DVDO logo?

I didn't want you to be disappointed so I made up a THX label for you to print out and tape to your VP50 when it arrives.

I didn't want you to be disappointed so I made up a THX label for you to print out and tape to your VP50 when it arrives.
You better be careful. With qulity like that THX may sue you. :D

[QUOTE=aaronwt]What! :D No THX logo! :rolleyes: Well I'm sending my VP50 back if theres no logo on it. :D :DA[/QUOTE

How about, getting one first, then send it to me. :o

Jason is correct that the VP50s are shipping from Malaysia. Orders will be filled over the next couple of weeks with AVS Forum orders being filled first. I should have been more clear with my announcement. :o

What's the tracking number of the ship? ;)

PRO-FLOATYOURBOAT50. I hope the vessel isn't a Chinese junk.

Is the VP50 a good choice to use with a 1080P projector, such as the Pearl from Sony? What would be the added benefit in using an VP, and would I see a real difference in Picture quality? Any help would be great. Thanks.

No one can answer this question until someone gets a unit and hooks it uo to a VPL-VW100. Answer could vary depending on whether source is SD or HD and wether source is film or vodeo.

My source would be a Motorola HDMI box from Comcast. My only interest would be the HDTV picture quality. I don't know anything about scalers at this point, but I guess we'll just have to wait until these ship. Thanks.

can the Sony's accept 1080p/60hz HDMI input? nothing will beat the VP50 1080i deinterlacing, so if the Sony can accept that as input then it would be a knockout combo for sure :)

-Gary

can the Sony's accept 1080p/60hz HDMI input? nothing will beat the VP50 1080i deinterlacing, so if the Sony can accept that as input then it would be a knockout combo for sure :)

-Gary

Yes plus 1080p/50Hz and 1080p/24, allegedly it internally projects 24fps at 96Hz (i.e. 4x24 not just frc to 60Hz). ;)

But 2:2 performance isn't up to much so VP50 will definitely improve Pal SD/HD sources.

Apparently all this with no overscan (user option)!

Top of my list atm. :D

can the Sony's accept 1080p/60hz HDMI input? nothing will beat the VP50 1080i deinterlacing, so if the Sony can accept that as input then it would be a knockout combo for sure :)

-Gary

Gary,

Did I remember you saying that the VP-50 with the Toshiba HD-A1 was awesome?

I assume you have the Toshiba then? I was thinking of getting it... The prices have dropped so low that it's very tempting... I almost bought one this Weekend... I figured I would have it to play with till my VP-50 gets here.

I know that there is supposed to be a firmware update soon to make it output 1080p... What are your thoughts on how this will work with the 50, and I am assuming you believe that the HD-DVD format is the way to go? It does not seem that Blu-Ray is going to work right for a long time... And the HD-A1 works great right now...

I just don't want to be stuck with a 2006 version of the Betamax! LOL!

Thanks, Royd

No update can make the A1 output 1080P. It is beyond the limitation of the chipset used. The G2 XA2 player is the only one that will output 1080P and that will do it like the Samsung BD player. Internally output 1080i and deinterlace internally to 1080P. The G2 A2 player will still output 1080i but won't have analog outputs. The A2 is supposed to be out shortly with the XA2 out at the end of the year.

No update can make the A1 output 1080P.
Please do not use "1080p" like that. It just doesn't make much sense. Why? Because there is 1080p24 and there is 1080p60. The A1 HDMI output may not have the bandwidth necessary to do 1080p60, but it may be able to add 1080p24 output with a firmware upgrade.

The G2 XA2 player is the only one that will output 1080P
Again it's crucial that you say what you're talking about. Are you talking about 1080p24 or 1080p60? The XA2 will be able to output 1080p60, but it will not do 1080p24 - at least not with the initial firmware.

Thanks for the help, I think I might have to get one of these units now. Chris


Yes plus 1080p/50Hz and 1080p/24, allegedly it internally projects 24fps at 96Hz (i.e. 4x24 not just frc to 60Hz). ;)

But 2:2 performance isn't up to much so VP50 will definitely improve Pal SD/HD sources.

Apparently all this with no overscan (user option)!

Top of my list atm. :D

feed the VP50 a Toshiba HD signal at 1080i hdmi and you have the worlds best 1080p image available, same would go for D-Theater also using the HDMI 5u deck

I haven't grabbed BR yet ;)

-Gary

Please do not use "1080p" like that. It just doesn't make much sense. Why? Because there is 1080p24 and there is 1080p60. The A1 HDMI output may not have the bandwidth necessary to do 1080p60, but it may be able to add 1080p24 output with a firmware upgrade.


Again it's crucial that you say what you're talking about. Are you talking about 1080p24 or 1080p60? The XA2 will be able to output 1080p60, but it will not do 1080p24 - at least not with the initial firmware.

Madshi,

I think he was referring to the internal chip, not the HDMI connection. He is correct though, because the A1 and XA1 will never output 1080p (24 or 60) because the decoder chip it limited to 1080i. They need a second chip to do the deinterlace, which is what the next gens are doing (And one reason why they cost more).

Jay

I think he was referring to the internal chip, not the HDMI connection. He is correct though, because the A1 and XA1 will never output 1080p (24 or 60) because the decoder chip it limited to 1080i.Are you talking about the Broadcom chip? I believe it can do 1080p24 according to Tom from Broadcom.

--Darin

Trying to understand a little more on the VP50. Will the scaler convert all signs (ie) 720P, 1080i and output to 1080P assuming the projectors accepts 1080P? When I watch a football game on CBS through my Sony VPL-VW50 Pearl projector and then watch a game on Fox 720P, CBS is looks 100% better. Is this due to the internal scaler within my projector with the signals the network is delivering? Will the VP50 turn that 720P from FOX to 1080P, and make the picture comparable to the CBS signal of 1080i? Am I thinking about this correctly?

When I watch a football game on CBS through my Sony VPL-VW50 Pearl projector and then watch a game on Fox 720P, CBS is looks 100% better. Is this due to the internal scaler within my projector with the signals the network is delivering? Will the VP50 turn that 720P from FOX to 1080P, and make the picture comparable to the CBS signal of 1080i? Am I thinking about this correctly?

I would not count on anything being able to make Fox HD programming look as good as some other networks HD programming. All you have to do is just watch them both in SD, and you will often see that Fox programming even in SD looks like crap when compared to many other stations SD.

I am assuming that VP50 takes most of the resolutions to 1080p & then converts them to native resolution. Maybe somebody from DVDO can clarify the exact scaling path.

I believe the VP-50 will take any input resolution and then "convert" (deinterlace and/or scale to the output resolution you require.

FYI --- I got e-mail notification my VP50 has Shipped :)

FYI --- I got e-mail notification my VP50 has Shipped :)

I just got my shipment notice too. Very cool. I can't wait.

- Collin

Where did you guys buy them? AVS or elsewhere?

That is great news! I can't wait to try one out... :)

FYI --- I got e-mail notification my VP50 has Shipped :)
Ditto!!!!!, Now let me think of something new to complain about. :eek:

Just please don't complain about the THX logo issue. :eek:

Hmm...I received a shipping notice too and mine adds: "Please be aware, there is no THX symbology on this unit. Pls return promptly if this doesn't sound like what you ordered."

I got my ship notice a few minutes ago, so I went to DL the user guide from the DVDO web site. On the PC (RGBHV) connection, it says:

NOTE: Only 480p/576p/720p/1080i/VGA (640x480)/SVGA (800x600)/XGA (1024x768)/SXGA
What's the best way to get a 1920x1080p (via VGA) signal from my PC through the VP50 to my RPTV (via HDMI) without having overscan issues?

Thanks,
Mark

Where did you guys buy them? AVS or elsewhere?

I think we all got them through the AVS/DVDO Deal.

We did it EALRY [GRIN]!

Where did you guys buy them? AVS or elsewhere?

Direct from DVDO using the AVS upgrade discount. I ordered in the early evening PST on the same day the AVS upgrade discount information was posted. My order number was is in the 2300s. I have not yet received a QuantumView email from UPS with the tracker, so it may not actually be in the post until tomorrow.

- Collin

How did you guys get your shipping notice? E-mail? Thanks.

How did you guys get your shipping notice? E-mail? Thanks.
Josh brought mine by the house. :D :D




Yes e-mail.

can't wait for everyone to get theirs :)

Enjoy!! ;)

-Gary

I just gotta salute DVDO's customer service . . .

1) Had a problem a few weeks ago ordering the AVS VP50 upgrade online due to my credit card company. PM'ed Josh and he quickly had someone from DVDO contact me ASAP to work out. Spoke to someone named Ken and he took care of it quickly.

2) Just had to call them again since I had not printed out the sales order I had received after getting my order straightened out. Since I use AOL (don't flame me :D ), and I had saved the e-mail locally without printing it out, and since AOL saved mail locally does not save the PDF, I needed a new sales order for my records.

Spoke to a Kelli @ DVDO and he quickly confirmed the order and sent me a new PDF with the sales order.

3) Then, since we're going on vacation shortly, I was afraid the VP50 would arrive while we were gone, and I didn't want that "new pup" sitting on the steps for a while. Asked Kelli to also change the original shipping address to a new shipping address and he quickly did this. And then, without asking, he sent me a new sales order with the new shipping address to confirm what he had done.

Both times I dealt with people who were very helpful and nice and professional. Neither made me feel like I was an idiot (well, I probably am but that's another story for the wife to tell :) !)

I know this is not as important as discussing the VP50 itself, but I have to say I remain impressed by DVDO's customer service. MUCH APPRECIATED. It's as much to with my upgrading as it is the new technology.

Thank you, Josh!

- Gerry

Oh, and I'm order 4527. Kelli said he thought they would be shipping in a couple of days . . .

- Gerry

Just to clarify, Kelli is a she

FYI --- I got e-mail notification my VP50 has Shipped :)

Just got my "shipped" email from DVDO also. And also the UPS Quantum View email, that says the scheduled delivery for it is on the 29th.
Hmmmmm...... I wonder if maybe today works out to be the 45th of the month, after it's been converted into dog days/months/years..... ;)

Are you talking about the Broadcom chip? I believe it can do 1080p24 according to Tom from Broadcom.

--Darin

The Samsung BD player uses the same chip as the HDA1. The Sasmung gets 1080P out by deinterlacing the 1080i internally to 1080P60 with another chip. If it could output 1080P60 without a deinterlacing chip I would think that's what they would have done.

And Woo Hoo! I also got a UPS shipping notification!

Damn! I forgot to change my shipping from ground to 3 day! I won't get it until next week.

Boat? Nope too quickly. Air freight seems much more likely. The quickness from Singapor to Cal reminds me of that great drink, the Singapor Sling.

Damn! I forgot to change my shipping from ground to 3 day! I won't get it until next week.

Me Neither - Mine doesn't arrive until MODAY!

Anyone care to post what order range their shipped order is from? I haven't received a shipped email yet but my order number is #28xx

The quickness from Singapor to Cal reminds me of that great drink, the Singapor Sling.

That's strange, because after drinking a adequate amount of Singapore Slings.
I have found that trying to remember anything, usually results in just a vague blur.....

Anyone care to post what order range their shipped order is from? I haven't received a shipped email yet but my order number is #28xx
I'm in the mid-upper part of 000027xx here

I'm in the mid-upper part of 000027xx here

Ditto.
Ordered 8:00 PM (PDT) on 8-23-06.
Received the email notification of shipping today at 3:52 PDT.

Please pre-excuse several ignorant questions. I have an HD-A1 on order which will be feeding a Ruby. If I were to get a VP-50:

a) is it desirable and possible when playing non-HD DVDs to turn off upscaling in the HD-A1 and let the VP-50 do the job?

b) If not, will the VP-50 significantly improve PQ vs. the processing in the HD-A1?

c) Is there a better solution using another player which will let the VP-50 do everything without having to undo what the player has done? If so, what player?

Mine shipped today, should have it on Tuesday :)

I am assuming that VP50 takes most of the resolutions to 1080p & then converts them to native resolution. Maybe somebody from DVDO can clarify the exact scaling path.
For good results 480i must either stay as 480i or be converted to 480p using de-interlacing. For good results 1080i must either stay as 1080i or be converted to 1080p using de-interlacing. Any format already in or once in a "p" condition can be scaled to another "p" format (resolution) quite readily to match the native resolution of a display device or for any other good reason. Not counting the "i" to "p" conversion, best results are had if there is at most one more scaling.

The Samsung BD player uses the same chip as the HDA1. The Sasmung gets 1080P out by deinterlacing the 1080i internally to 1080P60 with another chip. If it could output 1080P60 without a deinterlacing chip I would think that's what they would have done.

Yes, both use the Broadcom chip, and both have the broadcom chip limited to 1080i60 output. The Broadcom chip however does have the capability to support 1080p24. I know of one guy in Denmark who has hacked the firmware to get 1080p24 direct from the Broadcom chip through HD-SDI.

Hmm, I'm in the upper part of 26xx, ordered on July 14, but no email yet. :(

--Andre

Please pre-excuse several ignorant questions. I have an HD-A1 on order which will be feeding a Ruby. If I were to get a VP-50:

a) is it desirable and possible when playing non-HD DVDs to turn off upscaling in the HD-A1 and let the VP-50 do the job??

The desired setup is to minimize the processing done by the source, and if possible to get the content out of the box in native resolution. The minimum output resolution over HDMI of the current crop of HD-DVD players is 480p. The optimum would be 480i for SD DVDs. The good news is that the VP50 will have PReP. PReP is Anchor Bay's unique Progressive ReProcessing technology that recovers the original interlaced signal from standard 480p/576p and even 1080p signals so it can be processed by ABT's Precision Deinterlacing technology.

b) If not, will the VP-50 significantly improve PQ vs. the processing in the HD-A1?

There are great reviews on the standard definition deinterlacing in the "ABT102 Review" thread as well as the HD/SD deinterlacing and scaling in the "VP50 Review" thread. If you have a chance, check out the HD-DVD trailer that is touring the country (it was at CEDIA). They have a iScan VP50 doing 1080i deinterlaciing and 48Hz source-locked frame rate conversion from an HD-XA1 going to the Marantz 1080p projector

c) Is there a better solution using another player which will let the VP-50 do everything without having to undo what the player has done? If so, what player

Any player that can output a digital 480i signal (for SD DVD) will be a "better solution". SDI is the best way to go, but will require that a player be modified as most manufacturers (all but 4. I know of) don't sell DVD players with SDI outputs. 480i HDMI players are much easier to come by and the most popular solution is the Oppo DV-970HD

Any international orderers got their notifications yet? I ordered at midday (PST) on 23rd August, but nothing yet :(

Just to clarify, Kelli is a she

Sorry about that :o

Well the person I talked to definitely sounded male--maybe its the phone connections "here in the Northland." The identified themselves when I called but I didn't write it down. Then when the mail came so quickly I just assumed. Sorry about that.

Still good service anyhow . . .

Any international orderers got their notifications yet? I ordered at midday (PST) on 23rd August, but nothing yet :(

I doubt we'll get a notification, after all it is OWL we're talking about here. we'll propably just get a note from parcelforce through our letterboxes, saying 'we called, but you were not in...'

Is there a way to check with OWL, presumably that DVDO did not send it directly to VP50 upgraders like us.

Josh, can you answer if the international VP50 upgrades for the UK are sent directly to us or to OWL, the UK distributor?

Cheers!!!

Is there a way to check with OWL, presumably that DVDO did not send it directly to VP50 upgraders like us.

Josh, can you answer if the international VP50 upgrades for the UK are sent directly to us or to OWL, the UK distributor?

Cheers!!!

If they follow the same process as other upgrades, then they ship first to Owl and then on to us from Owl.

I'm keeping an eye on my credit card to see when that's charged, which I assume will be done before they're shipped to Owl. Also, last time I got something from Owl (the ABT102) they were actually really good in letting me know - had very good mail exchange with one of the girls there, so hopefully it will be the same again. At the moment, I'm wondering more about when they're going to be shipping from DVDO to Owl.

I'm wondering more about when they're going to be shipping from DVDO to Owl.

Indeed, I think we'll definitely be in the 45th Sept region. Lets hope they're not dedicating the whole first shipment to domestic pre-orders. ;)

Just got e-mail confirmation that my VP50 is shipping. My order was in the 28XX range. :)

Just got e-mail confirmation that my VP50 is shipping. My order was in the 28XX range. :)

Me too.

Me too, same range.

Ditto....28xx order range.

I noticed a question regarding the ir codes but didn't see a response. Are the IR codes the same for the VP50 as they were for the VP30?

New equipment (with new ir codes) + crestron control systems = pain in the a$$ ;)

same codes diesel ;)

-Gary

nice....plug 'n play!

Indeed, I think we'll definitely be in the 45th Sept region. Lets hope they're not dedicating the whole first shipment to domestic pre-orders. ;)


Hopefully not :D

We are now into the 29xx range :)

This is like watching election results hour by hour. Only this time it matters :D

Just got the shipping email and a refund for the shipping charges. DVDO was nice enough to let me come by and pick it up and bring in the VP30 at the same time. Great folks. Saved 30 bucks and will be able to pick it up tomorrow. (today was available but this darn work thing). Best customer service.

Thanks to Josh, Ken N, April, and the crew at ABT/DVDO. And this pales in comparison to what they helped me out with in the past.

Andy

Got my tracking # as well, should be here on Thursday.... Sweet :p

Anybody hear from Jason at AVS--I dropped him a few notes to see if he's going to be getting one of the first shipments but I haven't heard anything.

Non AVS orders are now evidently shipping. UPS ground means I get mine on October 3. So many toys, so little time. I doubt I can start playing with it until the 18th or so when I get back from Keeneland.

Oh geez. Guess what just showed up! Working down the street from DVDO has it's benefits.

No there's no THX logo on the front of the unit. Also, interestingly it does not come with a USB serial adapter. Mine didn't come with a rack mount kit either, though the packing list says it should have one.

- Collin

Anybody hear from Jason at AVS--I dropped him a few notes to see if he's going to be getting one of the first shipments but I haven't heard anything.

I sent him an e-mail yesterday, he didn't know at the time that DVDO was shipping units.

It just doesn't seem fair that those that are upgrading through DVDO (i.e. already have a processor) get theirs before those who are making a new purchase (i.e. don't have anything to play with right now). :(

Oh well, maybe I'll get one with a THX logo. :D

Mine is coming with a stick on XHT logo and a miniature box of Total K!

It just doesn't seem fair that those that are upgrading through DVDO (i.e. already have a processor) get theirs before those who are making a new purchase (i.e. don't have anything to play with right now). :(



yeah, but look at the bright side - you haven't been bitching about and living with audio dropouts for 9 monthes, and you are only buying one vp - for us upgraders, it is for sure our second dvdo product, and in many cases, our 3rd or 4th. ;) Myself, I'd be happier if they came out with the ultimate, perfect vp that would always do everything I ever needed - then I wouldn't have to buy a new one next spring :p

yeah, but look at the bright side - you haven't been bitching about and living with audio dropouts for 9 monthes, and you are only buying one vp - for us upgraders, it is for sure our second dvdo product, and in many cases, our 3rd or 4th. ;) Myself, I'd be happier if they came out with the ultimate, perfect vp that would always do everything I ever needed - then I wouldn't have to buy a new one next spring :p
My 6th DVDO VP (I really can't believe it's been that many) is scheduled for Thursday, just a few days behind getting my new Mitsubishi WD-65732, which I just had to buy to take advantage of most of the VP50 capabilities. I hope UPS can find my place; I just got off the phone with Fedex after learning that my package for a new Furman AC power conditioner was delayed because their stupid driver couldn't find my townhouse, even though Fedex is at my complex every day. How I hate Fedex ground!

I plan on getting a VP50 and am flip flopping between A 65" Panny industrial and a 65" Panny consumer. Since the VP50 has gamma and sizing functions does it make the decision a coin toss, or does the industrials flexible screen controls make it more of a winner?

I sent him an e-mail yesterday, he didn't know at the time that DVDO was shipping units.

It just doesn't seem fair that those that are upgrading through DVDO (i.e. already have a processor) get theirs before those who are making a new purchase (i.e. don't have anything to play with right now). :(

Oh well, maybe I'll get one with a THX logo. :D

!. I think it is quite fair to send the first batch out to loyal customers who have supported DVDO in the past Thats just good business.

2. I bet if you have to have that thx logo they will offer the new replacement face plate sometime at a later date.
I get my VP50 this Friday!! WHOHOOO!

I plan on getting a VP50 and am flip flopping between A 65" Panny industrial and a 65" Panny consumer. Since the VP50 has gamma and sizing functions does it make the decision a coin toss, or does the industrials flexible screen controls make it more of a winner?

If you don't want the speakers and the tuner the industrial would be better. Also, we need to verify that you can get 1:1 pixel mapping on the consumer.

Lastly, there are some features like "Super Cinema" that provides a velvety picture :)

- Rich

!. I think it is quite fair to send the first batch out to loyal customers who have supported DVDO in the past Thats just good business.


Yes, that occurred to me too for when it's my turn to upgrade.

Still doesn't help me right now though. :(

Mine arrived. No THX sticker :), but so far it works great.....

In PAL land, we are 50Hz, I think our dvds are at 50fps also? or is it 25fps? In any case, if watching film based material, how do I get it to recognise 24fps and output it at 48/72? At the moment with the VP30, When I watch a PAL dvd, I select "deinterlacing" then I select either film or 2:2 , but it still outputs at 50/75Hz lock. Do I need to unlock it? If watching NTSC dvds.. what deinterlacing method should I choose? How about for HDDVD?

In PAL land, we are 50Hz, I think our dvds are at 50fps also? or is it 25fps? In any case, if watching film based material, how do I get it to recognise 24fps and output it at 48/72? At the moment with the VP30, When I watch a PAL dvd, I select "deinterlacing" then I select either film or 2:2 , but it still outputs at 50/75Hz lock. Do I need to unlock it? If watching NTSC dvds.. what deinterlacing method should I choose? How about for HDDVD?
PAL DVDs are encoded in 50i. That means the iScan should deinterlace to 50Hz or 75Hz. Do *NOT* use 48/72Hz in this case, because otherwise you'll get motion judder.

NTSC film DVDs are encoded in 60i. Those should ideally be deinterlaced to 24/48/72Hz. Next best option would be 60Hz. NTSC video DVDs are encoded in 60i, too, but that should be deinterlaced to 60Hz and *NOT* 24/48/72Hz.

HD-DVD and BluRay is encoded in 24p in both US and Europe (at least until now, some European studios could theoretically use 25p sooner or later). Only few HD-DVD and BluRay players output 24p, though, most of the time they output 60i or 60p. I'd say use 60i and deinterlace that to 24/48/72Hz. Next best option would be 60i deinterlaced by the iScan to 60Hz.

Deinterlacing mode: For HD-DVD you should use film bias. For DVDs probably, too. For TV you should use automatic.

Thanks... makes complete sense, that's basically what I'm actually doing now, except for PAL dvds I specifically choose 2:2 odd, and for video I choose video. Just wanted to confirm really that I wasn't doing things incorrectly.

So --- say you watch 50/50 Film / Video. (This is in 60 Hz regions)

This is on a CRT, so it can take most any signal.

Can the iScan be configured to output 60 Hz when it detects video and 24/48/72 when it detects film? Or do I have to choose one or the other, and switch it manually?

So --- say you watch 50/50 Film / Video. (This is in 60 Hz regions)
I was saying use 50Hz output for 50i/p content. For 60i/p content you should use 60Hz, of course.

Can the iScan be configured to output 60 Hz when it detects video and 24/48/72 when it detects film? Or do I have to choose one or the other, and switch it manually?
The iScan can automatically switch between 50Hz and 60Hz output, depending on whether you feed it 50i/p or 60i/p content. However, it can currently not auto switch to 24/48/72Hz. You'll have to manually do that with current firmware.

hi,

i plan to hook up a pc to one of the inputs of my vp50.
that pc will be used for web browsing and
BTVLink (BeyondTV's remote pc access to scheduling, etc) which will give me a
Tivo-ish functionality.

any recommendations on?
1) what input to use (same order of quality as for a DVD ouput or is something
unique about PC video output)?
2) pc settings for visibility/usability on a 55" screen?

as i waited until the last minute to get my pre-order in to avs,
you'd all be safe to assume they haven't hit the bottom of the pre-order
list until i report in that i've received an email confirmation of shipment :D

Hello, i am Leo from Holland and a newbe, (Sorry for my bad english.... :o )

Im verry interesting in a VP50 and maybe buy one, but what i like to now is off the VP50 can handles 1440*1080i(50Hz) on the component input?

Just got emailed...its shipped but no tracking yet....cool....

I hooked up my VP50 last night. 1080i deinterlacing is very significantly improved over the VP30. It's really impressive even on my 720p set. It's pushing me closer to upgrading to a 1080p set. 480i performance is very similar to the VP30 + ABT102, though it seems more tolerant of difficult sources in some limited testing.

On the disappointing side...

- While the IR codes from the original remote are the same as the VP30. The codes for discrete aspect ratios, deinterlacer modes, etc. I was using on the VP30 no longer seem to work. So Josh, what are the new discrete codes for aspect presets, etc?

- I already got my first audio dropout! $%#@! Dolby Digital audio out from an HD DirecTivo over HDMI to the VP50, optical out to a Pioneer Elite 47TX receiver. Okay, I'm an experienced operating system engineer with over a decade of experience in real time IO technologies. I work down the street from DVDO. I live in San Francisco. Send me these scripts for catching these audio glitches. I can set up a dedicated Mac, PC, Linux machine to gather any debugging information you need. I'll get you good data. This has been almost a year. Let's fix this.

- Collin

just got a phone call from dvdo......he didn't have my PO# handy but will email
it to me (i should be close to the bottom of the list of pre-orders)

no tracking # yet, but gave the go ahead to charge my credit card!

setting the countdown timer............

Didn't recieve any shipping notice or even a tracking # by email, yet I received my iScan VP50 Upgrade today via UPS.

There were no enclosed instructions on how to send back the VP30 for credit.

Called ABT to ask, but even the operator was away from her desk. Left my phone # for her to call back.

PaulH,

I'd email. I've gotten very very quick responses via email.

Just got emailed...its shipped but no tracking yet....cool....


Same for me. Maybe they go by region. :D

Didn't recieve any shipping notice or even a tracking # by email, yet I received my iScan VP50 Upgrade today via UPS.

There were no enclosed instructions on how to send back the VP30 for credit.

Called ABT to ask, but even the operator was away from her desk. Left my phone # for her to call back.

All upgrade info is on their website.

http://www.dvdo.com/faq/faq_upg.php

- Collin

Thanks AndyN and Collin for the information.

Sent the request for an RMA# via e-mail and also one to ABT to verify they have my correct e-mail address.

Paul

Here's a quick question from someone who hasn't had this problem (because I have an HD): what are these audio dropouts like? It is just a brief audio glitch, a loss of audio for a few seconds, or do you have to reset something to get the audio back? Or are they all different?

Thanks AndyN and Collin for the information.

Sent the request for an RMA# via e-mail and also one to ABT to verify they have my correct e-mail address.

Paul
It says right on their site to use your order # as the RMA number.makes sense.

Here's a quick question from someone who hasn't had this problem (because I have an HD): what are these audio dropouts like? It is just a brief audio glitch, a loss of audio for a few seconds, or do you have to reset something to get the audio back? Or are they all different?

Is just a split second with no audio and it happens randomly.If you go back over the same spot and try to get it to happen again it usually will not.
You will just be watching a dvd and all of sudden no audio for less than a second.No need to reset anything at all.

Yes, both use the Broadcom chip, and both have the broadcom chip limited to 1080i60 output. The Broadcom chip however does have the capability to support 1080p24. I know of one guy in Denmark who has hacked the firmware to get 1080p24 direct from the Broadcom chip through HD-SDI.

Where do you have this information from?


I live in Denmark, and would be pretty interested in such a solution :)

I hooked up my VP50 last night. 1080i deinterlacing is very significantly improved over the VP30. It's really impressive even on my 720p set. It's pushing me closer to upgrading to a 1080p set. 480i performance is very similar to the VP30 + ABT102, though it seems more tolerant of difficult sources in some limited testing.

On the disappointing side...

- While the IR codes from the original remote are the same as the VP30. The codes for discrete aspect ratios, deinterlacer modes, etc. I was using on the VP30 no longer seem to work. So Josh, what are the new discrete codes for aspect presets, etc?

- I already got my first audio dropout! $%#@! Dolby Digital audio out from an HD DirecTivo over HDMI to the VP50, optical out to a Pioneer Elite 47TX receiver. Okay, I'm an experienced operating system engineer with over a decade of experience in real time IO technologies. I work down the street from DVDO. I live in San Francisco. Send me these scripts for catching these audio glitches. I can set up a dedicated Mac, PC, Linux machine to gather any debugging information you need. I'll get you good data. This has been almost a year. Let's fix this.

- Collin

Do you have the new 6.3 software on the HDTiVo. Alot of people have reported audio dropouts with that version. Although I have 6.3 on 3 boxes and don't see any difference in audio dropouts from before. I will get one occasionally but it is repeatable if I backup the recording.

Also, anyone else get a chance to connect their VP50? Now I'm wishing I had picked two day shipping. I would have been able to hook it up today since I got home early. With my luck when I get it next week I'll be too busy to be able to connect it for a while.

Gino,

Use Auto instead - 2:2 odd can be restrictive if you have varying sources.

papaleo,

I haven't tested component 1080i yet, but don't you get a digital (HDMI) source? BTW, your source is officially 1920x1080 (1440 is used internally and sometimes filmed that way).

has anyone heard from Jason?

I heard from AVS today. They are expecting to receive some units later this week and will then ship. I was called today and did not order until Sept. 5, so many (or several) orders should be filled by next week.

Yeah!! Got a recorded message that UPS will deliver mine tomorrow between 8am and 8pm. Wow, guess I'll have to sit on my front porch all day drinking wine and smoking a cigar!!

Jmartin. What kind of cigar?

I think of all the money I saved and can now spend on cigars by having my units shipped ground instead of next day, 2nd day, or 3d day air. Mine get here on the east coast on Tuesday. Plus I can read all the hints and experiences of those who try it first instad of trying to figure it out myself.

Gino, Use Auto instead - 2:2 odd can be restrictive if you have varying sources.


When I got my ABT102 card, it said for PAL 50Hz sources, to select either 2:2 even or odd, but I found odd worked best for me.

Just curious if Auto can be used for everything... why even bother with the other deinterlacing choices?

I heard from AVS today. They are expecting to receive some units later this week and will then ship. I was called today and did not order until Sept. 5, so many (or several) orders should be filled by next week.

What gives... I ordered Aug 24 through the AVS upgrade and haven't heard a peep... have any international orders been contacted yet?

Mark good plan, I love cigars :D but the family don't so I can't enjoy them while viewing the VP50 :(

in my book, nothing beats a grape white owl blunt ;)

-Gary

When I got my ABT102 card, it said for PAL 50Hz sources, to select either 2:2 even or odd, but I found odd worked best for me.

Just curious if Auto can be used for everything... why even bother with the other deinterlacing choices?

From the ABT102 User Manual (the same is true of '2:2 Odd'):
2:2 Even - This mode should be used when the user knows that the source is high-quality 2:2 pulldown (i.e. film-based content played back in a country with a 50Hz video standard) and wants to avoid any loss of cadence lock while watching that source.

'Auto' is the recommended deinterlacing mode for all content. The '2:2 Even/Odd' modes are provided purely for film based content being played back at 50Hz.

Got mine about 2 hours ago. Hooked up and watching HD-DVD in 1080i. Definitely better that on the VP30/ABT102. Even S/O said "nice picture". Haven't tried 480i yet but based on comments of others am not expecting much difference.

mike

but I received an email that my order 50xxx has shipped....

Mine shipped the other day, thanks DVDO for the promptness! Cannot wait to feed a PURE 480i signal from my BUD to the VP50 and compare it to the VP30(with the 102) to see the difference.

Maybe we should all chip in and ship Josh a box of cigars.

This machine is his baby and I think he is one proud papa.

I'm getting mixed up. The papa is supposed to buy the cigars. :)

Hello, i am Leo from Holland and a newbe, (Sorry for my bad english.... :o )

Im verry interesting in a VP50 and maybe buy one, but what i like to now is off the VP50 can handles 1440*1080i(50Hz) on the component input?

Has someone any idee if this is possible.....

Thanks,
Leo

Has someone any idee if this is possible.....

Thanks,
Leo

If you connect this HD cam to a consumer display that accepts 1080i@50Hz (not specifically 1440x1080i@50Hz) do you get an image?

What gives... I ordered Aug 24 through the AVS upgrade and haven't heard a peep... have any international orders been contacted yet?

I dropped a mail to their international guy yesterday and they're batching up the international shipment to the UK and it's due to ship next week. Perhaps Aus is the same....

'Auto' is the recommended deinterlacing mode for all content. The '2:2 Even/Odd' modes are provided purely for film based content being played back at 50Hz.

Thanks for clearing that up Josh... that's exactly what I've been doing :)

I hooked up my VP50, replaced my VP30. I have this hooked up to a Mits 65813 RPTV via component and dvi. I have the Moto 6412, JVC 5U DVHS, Toshiba HD-A1, all connected via hdmi, and a sdi modded Denon 3910 hooked up via sdi. I am having an issue that I never had with my VP30, and that is when I select a hdmin source, the screen will flash snow on and off for any where from 5 to 20 times before the image comes up. Some times the image will actually be up while it is flashing this snow. It does not appear to do this is I select and sdi or component input. Also, I have never had any audio drop outs with my VP30, but I think that I may have with the VP50. Do you ever get a blank screen for a second or two when this happens?
One last thing I noticed, when viewing my Moto 6412 from the hdmi, SD programming is quit a bit lighter than when I use the component in. The hdmi looks right, the comp in is very dark and I pushing up the brightness still dill not get me the shadow detail that I get from hdmi. Is this normal? I don't recall if this was how the AVP30 acted or not. HD looks similar when comparing hdmi to component in.

Yes, both use the Broadcom chip, and both have the broadcom chip limited to 1080i60 output. The Broadcom chip however does have the capability to support 1080p24. I know of one guy in Denmark who has hacked the firmware to get 1080p24 direct from the Broadcom chip through HD-SDI.


Where do you have this information from?

I live in Denmark, and would be pretty interested in such a solution :)


Gino ??

[or was it a fluke?]

If you connect this HD cam to a consumer display that accepts 1080i@50Hz (not specifically 1440x1080i@50Hz) do you get an image?


Yes,when i connect(component) the Sony HDR-HC1 to the Panasonic TH-50PV500 i get a nice image.

Can you tell me if this display do 1:1 pixelmapping > HDMI or Component?

Best reggards,
Leo

I hooked up my VP50, replaced my VP30. I have this hooked up to a Mits 65813 RPTV via component and dvi. I have the Moto 6412, JVC 5U DVHS, Toshiba HD-A1, all connected via hdmi, and a sdi modded Denon 3910 hooked up via sdi. I am having an issue that I never had with my VP30, and that is when I select a hdmin source, the screen will flash snow on and off for any where from 5 to 20 times before the image comes up. Some times the image will actually be up while it is flashing this snow. It does not appear to do this is I select and sdi or component input. Also, I have never had any audio drop outs with my VP30, but I think that I may have with the VP50. Do you ever get a blank screen for a second or two when this happens?


These all sound like HDCP issues (including the audio dropout). :(

Thanks for clearing that up Josh... that's exactly what I've been doing :)

Or to be crystal clear use Auto on everything unless you notice an issue, in which case select the appropriate manual mode for the type of input (i.e. 2:2 for PAL film). ;)

Gino ??

[or was it a fluke?]

No fluke... but I am still waiting for it myself, the firmware hack that is. He is not releasing this firmware until out of beta. You will however need Caspers latest HD-SDI mod (has switchable SD-SDI output also).

Or to be crystal clear use Auto on everything unless you notice an issue, in which case select the appropriate manual mode for the type of input (i.e. 2:2 for PAL film). ;)

Josh... if I was watching a PAL 50Hz encoded film, would there be a difference in PQ if I selected Auto or if I selected 2:2 odd?

No fluke... but I am still waiting for it myself, the firmware hack that is. He is not releasing this firmware until out of beta. You will however need Caspers latest HD-SDI mod (has switchable SD-SDI output also).

Is Casper developing the firmware? (he has previously modified my dvd with sdi)

International orders are being handled through the international distributors. They will be the ones contacting you. I ask that everyone be patient, DVDO is getting them out as fast as they can.

Thanks Jason.

I guess the question on the minds of international upgraders (UK, AUS, CAN, ...) is

"Have the VP50s been shipped to the international distributors (OWL-UK, ...) yet? If not, when? This week or the next"

Actually, another question is what's the reason for not shipping to international upgraders directly?


The wait is tiring me out .. :eek:

Thanks Jason.

I guess the question on the minds of international upgraders (UK, AUS, CAN, ...) is

"Have the VP50s been shipped to the international distributors (OWL-UK, ...) yet? If not, when? This week or the next"

Actually, another question is what's the reason for not shipping to international upgraders directly?


The wait is tiring me out .. :eek:

On the final point, there have to be pretty considerable shipping savings to be made from shipping in bulk, but far more importantly - if they were shipped directly to us, we'd get stung for a huge amount of import duty and sales tax.

Thanks Jason.

I guess the question on the minds of international upgraders (UK, AUS, CAN, ...) is

"Have the VP50s been shipped to the international distributors (OWL-UK, ...) yet? If not, when? This week or the next"

Actually, another question is what's the reason for not shipping to international upgraders directly?


The wait is tiring me out .. :eek:

Togad covers point 3 well. :)

1. Canadian orders seem to be getting shipped direct from DVDO (two on way to Montreal already I think).

2. A UK batch is due to be sent out to Owl next week (according to previous post).

My guess is we might see them week starting the 9th Oct so might even make the 45th Sept deadline! :cool:

I just tracking info too......good stuff.

I just got tracking info too......good stuff.

I am expecting to get one Saturday! It's gonna be a fun weekend... :)

Togad covers point 3 well. :)

1. Canadian orders seem to be getting shipped direct from DVDO (two on way to Montreal already I think).

2. A UK batch is due to be sent out to Owl next week (according to previous post).

My guess is we might see them week starting the 9th Oct so might even make the 45th Sept deadline! :cool:


Yes and they are shipped to Montreal using UPS expedite which mean I will probably get it tomorrow.

I hope it will rain all weekend :D

I just got an email notification that my VP50 has been shipped from DVDO. No tracking number so don't know if it's shipping direct to me or via OWL? :confused:

I was told by DVDO that UK orders are definitely coming via Owl Video. I've not heard anything regarding mine yet (order No 46**).

I was told by DVDO that UK orders are definitely coming via Owl Video. I've not heard anything regarding mine yet (order No 46**).

My order no is 500***

My order no is 500***
As in a number in excess of half a million!?

Mine is a "sales order" number of four thousand, six hundred and odd - perhaps not the same thing then?

my number reads "Order: OnlineOrder_00500xxx" on the e-mail receipt for a trade-in from HD+ . No confirmation yet. Wonder whether it gets send through germany (wher i bought the HD+) or the netherlands (where i currently live) :)

my number reads "Order: OnlineOrder_00500xxx" on the e-mail receipt for a trade-in from HD+ . No confirmation yet. Wonder whether it gets send through germany (wher i bought the HD+) or the netherlands (where i currently live) :)
I would think that yours will come direct from the distributor in the Netherlands.

Regarding the order numbers: Mine was an "over the phone" order rather than online, so maybe that's why the order numbers are so different.

Well, I just got my VP50 this morning, promptly swapped out the SDI board from my VP30 and hooked everything up to my new Mitsbuishi WD-65732 and I am now the proud owner of a . . . doorstop. The VP50 using either HDMI or component out and with either HDMI, component, or SDI input only outputs something that looks like a psychedelic test screen. I had exactly the same problem when I got my HD+ that had to be returned.

About to e-mail the help desk since I could not reach anyone by phone at DVDO.

In the meantime, any suggestions? I already did the cable swapouts to make sure I didn't just have a bad cable.

What does everyone think about starting a new thread that would just deal with issues with setting up the VP50? It would be nice if we could have all technical question in one thread and everything else in another. Just a thought.

My order no is 500***

Yep, mine's OnlineOrder_005001xx and I just got shipping notification as well :)

Not sure how the numbers work though - I ordered mine about 20 mins after the international upgrade program was available. Orders for the UK come via Owl, not direct. So, we should get them some time next week with a bit of luck.

Yep, mine's OnlineOrder_005001xx and I just got shipping notification as well :)

Not sure how the numbers work though - I ordered mine about 20 mins after the international upgrade program was available. Orders for the UK come via Owl, not direct. So, we should get them some time next week with a bit of luck.

International orders have different numbers if you are in the 1xx range i am close i ordered a few hours after it was available.

Daniel.

I have just been informed by DVDO via email that my international "on-line order 005001xx has been shipped from DVDO." [ordered on 23 Aug]

There was no tracking number though I did email back to ask if there is one.

Just a simple calculation of ETA from today Thursday:

1 day to get to the UK
... saturday :rolleyes: sunday :rolleyes:
1 day processing by distributor
1 day delivery to me

which MEANS me getting it on TUESDAY!!! :D :D :D

Well, I just got my VP50 this morning, promptly swapped out the SDI board from my VP30 and hooked everything up to my new Mitsbuishi WD-65732 and I am now the proud owner of a . . . doorstop. The VP50 using either HDMI or component out and with either HDMI, component, or SDI input only outputs something that looks like a psychedelic test screen. I had exactly the same problem when I got my HD+ that had to be returned.

About to e-mail the help desk since I could not reach anyone by phone at DVDO.

In the meantime, any suggestions? I already did the cable swapouts to make sure I didn't just have a bad cable.

Does it look like this?

Last night I turned on my VP50 and all inputs looked like the attached image and sound was staticy. Interestingly the menus on the VP50 were totally clear. I should have gotten a photo of that. I confirmed that this wasn't a source issue by connecting directly to the set. The only way I could find to fix this was a hard reset which wipes all your settings. Hopefully this doesn't happen frequently. Losing all your settings could get old very quickly.

To hard reset the VP50 :

1. Unplug the VP50 from the wall.
2. Hold down "Menu" and "Exit" on the front panel
3. Reattach power.

The VP50 should then go through some power on self tests displaying the status on the front LCD and then eventually boot up with factory default settings. Hopefully this will solve your problem and you won't have to send it back.

- Collin

I picked up my VP50 yesterday from the Campbell office. I didn't have much time to check it out but did try it with my Toshiba HD-A1. I still cannot pass 5.1 channel PCM through the VP50 to my Yamaha receiver over HDMI. Same problem as the VP30, there is a continuous loud high pitched tone overlaid on the audio which is much louder than the soundtrack. I had some hope, but didn't really expect it would be different. If DVDO knew how to fix the problem they probably would have fixed it on the VP30 by now. Just thought I would report it to keep it on the radar.

I also didn't have a USB to serial adapter in the box which the web page and manual indicates should be included. I sent an Email asking for one.

Otherwise the VP50 seems fine so far. Easy swap with the VP30 since the case and connections are identical. I watched a movie from my standard DVD player and didn't have any audio problems yet, but I don't get them every time.

Does it look like this?

Last night I turned on my VP50 and all inputs looked like the attached image and sound was staticy. Interestingly the menus on the VP50 were totally clear. I should have gotten a photo of that. I confirmed that this wasn't a source issue by connecting directly to the set. The only way I could find to fix this was a hard reset which wipes all your settings. Hopefully this doesn't happen frequently. Losing all your settings could get old very quickly.

To hard reset the VP50 :

1. Unplug the VP50 from the wall.
2. Hold down "Menu" and "Exit" on the front panel
3. Reattach power.

The VP50 should then go through some power on self tests displaying the status on the front LCD and then eventually boot up with factory default settings. Hopefully this will solve your problem and you won't have to send it back.

- Collin
Collin,

Thanks for your response. The image you're showing is close to what I was getting.

And thanks to Aaron at DVDO for e-mailing me back extremely quickly after I had e-mailed them with my problem. Aaron also suggested the front panel reset.

I had tried doing the front panel reset and it did not work for me. Maybe I just didn't push the buttons right. But I found another solution that appears to have fixed the problem. When I was reinstalling my SDI card I noticed that on the left hand side of the circuit board there is a black reset button (it's much larger than the reset button on the VP30) and I just opened the unit back up and hit that black button twice. Problem now solved.

Thanks again,

--C Jay