Dale,

Sorry to pry but are you still involved w/ DVDO operations? Or are you more a part of the coporate structure of ABT? Sounds like you're not so much involved in the acutaly product. Perhaps just the algorithms?
Actually, I'm not an ABT (DVDO) employee at all anymore. That's been the case for a few weeks now.

- Dale Adams

the fact that there are many many folks that don't have dropouts, further proves the point that it is not 100% to blame on DVDO, if it was how come it works perfect on many systems?
It proves nothing of the sort. That might be the case but you can't tell that from the fact that not everyone has problems.

First of all, it may be that only some VPxx products have the problem (which can happen with a chip timing problem, for instance - some chips show the problem while others do not). Secondly, while it may be that some audio gear has more robust error correction and so does not show problems with a particular VPxx unit, that doesn't mean that the iScan isn't doing anything wrong. It may be corrupting the audio stream, causing some, but not all, downstream audio processors to react. The audio processors that do then show dropouts may be doing nothing wrong, regardless of whether other audio processors might be more robust in their error handling. There may also be more than one problem present - those types of issues are much more difficult to pin down.

Until the root cause of this thing is found we simply don't know what it is. Everything else is speculation.

- Dale Adams

Actually, I'm not an ABT (DVDO) employee at all anymore. That's been the case for a few weeks now.

- Dale Adams

WHAT!?!?!? I thought this whole 1080i de-interlacing algorithym was suppose to be your 'baby'/project. Josh kept touting at the last CES that I had to wait for this new VP to come out because it was going to out do all the other algorithyms and now you are not with the company anymore? I hope I didnt make a mistake converting over to the new unit from a Vantage HD.

Thanks Gary. I think I missed posted. I never run audio to anything other than a delay box I already own and then to my audio pre/pro. I stand corrected, it would appear to be a tolerance issue with the input of some pre/pros. My point again, not DVDO's fault. They have to engineer for something else's poor engineering. The way to do this I would think is to engineer a tighter tolerance on DVDO's audio out puts. Something I doubt would be software doable.

Actually, I'm not an ABT (DVDO) employee at all anymore. That's been the case for a few weeks now.

- Dale Adams

Dale,

Does that mean you now own the joint? or are you really not part of DVDO at all anymore. If not, thats a shame. I thought you had a zeal to get things done correctly that made owners of the HD and HD+ and even the VP30 (video side) have confidence things would be fixed. I remember you figured out the problem with the framerate conversion and stutter when the VP30 first came out. And just like your recent insistence on finding out who gave out bad info re: the VP50's "diagonal processing" seemed like you were a proud pappa to your products.

Anyways, I wish you the best and hope you'll still be around to teach us all a few things.

I thought this whole 1080i de-interlacing algorithym was suppose to be your 'baby'/project. Josh kept touting that I had to wait for this new VP to come out because it was going to out do all the other algorithyms and now you are not with the company anymore?.
It is/was my baby. I spent the last couple of years working on it and that's what's in the VP50. Whether the deinterlacing in the VP50 is better than anything else is a subjective call (and remember that Josh is in Marketing) and one you should make for yourself. I think it's fair to say that it at least holds its own in most areas against the competition. It does better than other solutions in some areas, but certainly not in everything. And always remember that nothing is perfect (regardless of what the marketing material from certain companies would have you believe) and every processor will screw up on something. (You can tell I'm not in marketing. :D )

- Dale Adams

Dale,

Does that mean you now own the joint? or are you really not part of DVDO at all anymore.
The latter.

- Dale Adams

Dale - sorry to hear that you are gone. When you are at liberty to let us know your next projects, please take time to do so. If it is connected to a video processor, I'll sure want to take a look. Good luck.

So I'll ask the obvious question, Dale, are you, or will you be, still involved in DVDO products in the future?

<edit> asked and answered above

The latter.

- Dale Adams

To bad Dale you are an / still am a great asset in here!

1 question I use the VP50 with the "ruby" VPL-W100 in 1080P, should I choose
RGB or YcBrCr4:4:4 1080P out from the VP into the Ruby?


PerS

Dale - sorry to hear that you are gone. When you are at liberty to let us know your next projects, please take time to do so. If it is connected to a video processor, I'll sure want to take a look. Good luck.

Ditto that sentiment.

It is/was my baby. I spent the last couple of years working on it and that's what's in the VP50. Whether the deinterlacing in the VP50 is better than anything else is a subjective call (and remember that Josh is in Marketing) and one you should make for yourself. I think it's fair to say that it at least holds its own in most areas against the competition. It does better than other solutions in some areas, but certainly not in everything. And always remember that nothing is perfect (regardless of what the marketing material from certain companies would have you believe) and every processor will screw up on something. (You can tell I'm not in marketing. :D )

- Dale Adams

Straight answers, truly not in Marketing... :) SJ

Actually, I'm not an ABT (DVDO) employee at all anymore. That's been the case for a few weeks now.

- Dale Adams

ABT/DVDO's loss.... I really have appreciated all of your help over the last several years. I would not have purchased my first DVDO product (iSCAN HD) without your involvement in this forum. Best of luck to you. SJ

Actually, I'm not an ABT (DVDO) employee at all anymore. That's been the case for a few weeks now.

- Dale Adams

Wow. That's pretty big news. Was it just time for something new?

Your ABT102 / VP50 deinterlacer solutions are marvelous. Your engineering is one of the reasons I've stuck with the DVDO products for so long. I will be very interested in checking out whatever products you're involved in next.

- Collin

Josh. I hope you are laughing just a little bit reading these posts.

BTW guys. Fixing the audio drop out problems with HDMI use may be nigh impossible without hardware changes. Hardware over design (providing significantly in excess of theoretical buffering capacity) may be needed to compensate for incomplete compliance with the HDMI standard by source manufacturers. Not DVDO's fault.

I certainly hear what you are saying Mark about the HDMI architecture. My dropouts are occuring over digital coax and optical though so there is definitely something going on there that DVDO, I believe, is trying to resolve.

So who is going to make alg improvements now? One can not sit still here or the competition will quickly pass you by.

Gennum and Silicon Optix are continually making improvements.

Its time for Josh to jump in.

What is ABT doing to solve the audio and video problems the VP50 obviously has?

Us campers are getting nervous. Its time for some reassurance by the camp counsellor.

Can the VP50 accept 1080p VGA input? The XBOX360 is going to be upgraded in November with the capability of outputting 1080p via a VGA connection. Anyway to connect this to the VP50? Thanks. SJ

the XBox better have a serious analog section, 1080p is no sneeze for a analog output, serious bandwidth required for that

the VP50 should take that I would think

-Gary

So who is going to make alg improvements now? One can not sit still here or the competition will quickly pass you by.

Gennum and Silicon Optix are continually making improvements.

Its time for Josh to jump in.

What is ABT doing to solve the audio and video problems the VP50 obviously has?

Us campers are getting nervous. Its time for some reassurance by the camp counsellor.

As a loyal supporter of DVDO and a faithful believer in Dale Adams, I also wonder who'll be tweaking the algorithms. Since it was Dale's (or inpart Dales) creation who'll take over. I'm sure the engineers at DVDO are great and no offense to them but Dale was/is somewhat of a legend.

What is to become of PReP. Is it at its best now? Who'll be able to tweak it better than the creator.

Truly a bummer.

the XBox better have a serious analog section, 1080p is no sneeze for a analog output, serious bandwidth required for that

the VP50 should take that I would think

-Gary

I just found the info in the manual:

RGBHV/Component (480p@60Hz, 576p@50Hz, 720p@50Hz, 720p@60Hz, 1080i@50Hz,
1080i@60Hz, VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA@60Hz

What does this mean? VGA does not really list the signal..

VGA is a connector, correct? Normally one can use a vga to 5 bnc breakout cable and then input to the VP50 via RGBHV on the BNC connectors, Of course one must set the BNC inputs on the VP50 to RGBHV.

Dale not with DVDO does cause some reasonable concerns... :confused:

Yeah, this added to the fact that I can't get a single email response from any of the DVDO email addresses about a simple question on an order makes me change a lot of ideas about this company. :(

I still can't think that in year 2006 I have to make a PHONE call to Usa to contact a company. I'm hoping they're not receiving my e-mails for some strange reason...

Yeah, this added to the fact that I can't get a single email response from any of the DVDO email addresses about a simple question on an order makes me change a lot of ideas about this company. :(

I still can't think that in year 2006 I have to make a PHONE call to Usa to contact a company. I'm hoping they're not receiving my e-mails for some strange reason...

Zanarduz,

Thats unusual. I've never had problems with emails. I get a response at least within a couple of days. I think email is actually the best way to go to get ahold of DVDO. sorry to hear you're having problems. Good luck.

The latter.

- Dale Adams

Dale,

Are you able to tell us what you are up to these days? still in the VP arena?

All the best for you!

Cheers,

Marcelo

So I'll ask the obvious question, Dale, are you, or will you be, still involved in DVDO products in the future?
To some degree, but not nearly to the extent I have been in the past. In the short term I'll be consulting to ABT to support deinterlacing and some other areas of new IP development.

- Dale Adams

So who is going to make alg improvements now? One can not sit still here or the competition will quickly pass you by.
Quite true. This would be a real problem if it weren't for the fact that:

1) I'm not the only one who develops IP for DVDO products. For instance, I didn't work on the scaling engine, noise reduction or detail enhancement (the latter two of which are forthcoming, as Josh has already indicated). Others at ABT do this as well, and I expect you'll be seeing the results of their work in the near future.

2) Everything I developed while at ABT has not yet found its way into DVDO products. The most obvious example is PReP, which is due in the short term. However, there are other areas which I've worked on which have not been rolled into DVDO's video processors as of yet. There can often be a significant delay from the time the algorithms are developed until the end-user sees working hardware and software which embodies those algorithms. There are several things sitting on the shelf waiting to get rolled into a VPxx.

3) I'll be consulting to ABT for some period. Granted, it remains to be seen if anything interesting comes from this, but you never know. . . .

- Dale Adams

Dale,

Are you able to tell us what you are up to these days? still in the VP arena?
Some much needed time off in the near term, along with some consulting work to ABT. After that, it remains to be seen. I have some ideas for video processing technologies which I'd like to develop, and may well do this on my own. Nothing definite yet, though.

- Dale Adams

the VP50 should take that I would think

-Gary

The VP50 will not even handle 1080i on the RGBHV inputs.

I tried it and then called DVDO Tech support. They said SORRY
it is not suppose to work.

I just found the info in the manual:

RGBHV/Component (480p@60Hz, 576p@50Hz, 720p@50Hz, 720p@60Hz, 1080i@50Hz,
1080i@60Hz, VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA@60Hz

What does this mean? VGA does not really list the signal..

It may be in the manual - but see my previous post --

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8680505&&#post8680505

It may be in the manual - but see my previous post --

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8680505&&#post8680505

dude - are you sure? I thought my 30 was handling it. Now your'e going to make me hook it up, just out of curiousity ;) - (and I really don't have the time, but I'm also easily distracted.) :D

dude - are you sure? I thought my 30 was handling it. Now your'e going to make me hook it up, just out of curiousity ;) - (and I really don't have the time, but I'm also easily distracted.) :D

I took 1080i RGBHV output from my RCA DTC-100 OTA HD Receiver.

It didn't work. I got an frequency out of range error from the VP50.

I called DVDO Tech Support and they said the RGBHV inputs handle
only PC Resolutions, not 1080i

OK. Simple and not toooo expensive solution. Buy a RGBHV to component transcoder, say from Key Digital, and then input 1080i component into the VP50.

The VP50 will not even handle 1080i on the RGBHV inputs.

I tried it and then called DVDO Tech support. They said SORRY
it is not suppose to work.

Is this as opposed to the component inputs? I'm feeding my HR10-250 into the VP50 on component at 1080i, and it works fine. I've also fed my laptop into the RGB inputs at 1280x1024, and it seemed to work, at least for still images.

eric

Dale. The scaling as DVDO describes it is "proven." Whoopee, but it isn't great, not as good as Lumagen's. Glad to hear you didn't develop the algs for it.

OK. Simple and not toooo expensive solution. Buy a RGBHV to component transcoder, say from Key Digital, and then input 1080i component into the VP50.

That should have worked. I had an Audio Authority 9A60 transcoder to
do just that. But that still gave me the same frequency error. I threw
out the RCA DTC-100 and replaced it with a 2nd DHG-HDD500 DVR.

Is this as opposed to the component inputs? eric

Yes - RGBHV is not Component input.

Until the root cause of this thing is found we simply don't know what it is. Everything else is speculation.

- Dale Adams

Dale, firstly congrats on the career move I'm certain you could do with some time off from being locked in the ABT basement! ;) I'm glad to hear you'll still be doing some consultancy work there thou. Also I hope you'll still come visit us over in the UK forums. :D

I was just thinking, presuming the worst case scenario that the non HDMI related dropouts can't be resolved outside of a hardware change in either the VP transmitter or the Amp receiver that maybe a simple Opti/Coax repeater could solve the issue (presuming that it's receiver could handle the VP output, re-clocked/re-buffered it and then it's transmitter worked okay with the Amp)?

I'm guessing that DVDO have at least by now managed to get a hold of a test setup that has this issue, if they could look at a few non expensive repeating boxes (I'm sure I've seen some around and other small boxes that could act as a repeater) and if they find one that works offer it to beta testers to see if it fixes most instances. They could maybe then offer them at cost to customers (with a 30 day trial ;) ).

Heh! Wouldn't an iScan HD/HD+ be a good try! Something for all those returned upgrade units! ;)

Is this as opposed to the component inputs? I'm feeding my HR10-250 into the VP50 on component at 1080i, and it works fine. I've also fed my laptop into the RGB inputs at 1280x1024, and it seemed to work, at least for still images.

eric

For a BETTER picture feed the VP50 a HDMI 1080i picture from the HR10-250 into the VP50. You can even output VGA from the VP50 when the input is HDMI from the HR10-250 (this would normally be a violation and not permitted). All you need to do is disable HDCP on the input side of the VP50.

Gary

I took 1080i RGBHV output from my RCA DTC-100 OTA HD Receiver.

It didn't work. I got an frequency out of range error from the VP50.

I called DVDO Tech Support and they said the RGBHV inputs handle
only PC Resolutions, not 1080i
Odd. This is what is says on the DVDO website:

1 RGBHV/Component (BNC-style connectors) processes 480p-60,
576p-50,720p-50/60, 1080i-50/60, VGA-SXGA@60Hz

Sounds like someone's mixed up somewhere. Either DVDO tech support is confused or they need to change the spec page for the VP50.

- Dale Adams

I use the VGA HD cable with my Xbox 360.

I read earlier in the thread that almost all Xbox 360 games are 720p, so you should output 720p from the Xbox 360 to the VP50 (and have it upscale to ie. 1080p).

Will that work with a VGA to 5 BNC converter cable going from the Xbox 360, when I receive my VP50?

Thanks
/Martin

Odd. This is what is says on the DVDO website:

1 RGBHV/Component (BNC-style connectors) processes 480p-60,
576p-50,720p-50/60, 1080i-50/60, VGA-SXGA@60Hz

Sounds like someone's mixed up somewhere. Either DVDO tech support is confused or they need to change the spec page for the VP50.

- Dale Adams

Hi Dale:

All I know is it did not work on the VP30 and it did not work on the VP50.
I don't care where the finger points [GRIN]. I threw out the DTC-100.
Problem is now gone. Heck it is almost a 10 year old HD box. It is time
for a new BOX [GRIN]!

For a BETTER picture feed the VP50 a HDMI 1080i picture from the HR10-250 into the VP50. You can even output VGA from the VP50 when the input is HDMI from the HR10-250 (this would normally be a violation and not permitted). All you need to do is disable HDCP on the input side of the VP50.

Gary

My old display was component, so that's what I started with. My new set takes HDMI, and I'm running HDMI from the VP50 to the display, but I found that my HR10-250 is one of the early ones, that has the HDMI problem, and the HDMI output port is dead...

eric

I use the VGA HD cable with my Xbox 360.

I read earlier in the thread that almost all Xbox 360 games are 720p, so you should output 720p from the Xbox 360 to the VP50 (and have it upscale to ie. 1080p).

Will that work with a VGA to 5 BNC converter cable going from the Xbox 360, when I receive my VP50?

Thanks
/Martin

That is true CURRENTLY. However, in October there will be an upgrade which will allow you to output VGA/1080P from your xbox360. Games could be developed in 1080p and the new HD DVD add-on will also output in 1080P/VGA. I'm not sure if game developers will really do this. Kind of like the original XBOX. I think there were only a few games developed for 1080i and 720p. Most were 480p anyway. Do you see any difference between component 720p and VGA 720P? I'm currently using component (outputting at 720p to my VP50), but was thinking of switching to a VGA connection. However, if the VP50 can't handle it, I will not.... SJ

Sorry to interrupt, but as a newb I have a question I hope someone can answer.

I have the VP50 connected to a Panny 50" 8-series display with both HDMI and component inputs. As I understand it, the display should be able to accept multiple resolutions, including it's native rate of 1366x768 (which is one of the reasons I purchased the VP50). Unfortunately I can only seem to get it to accept 1080i60 and 720p60. I tried using both the HDMI and component connections, but had the same results.

Any suggestions? Is there something in the Panny menus that also needs to be adjusted?

TIA,
Tom

SJ - I know the VP30 will accept 720p via RGBHV - that is what I had to do, to "wake up" the RGB input on my VP30. I would go into my ATI's advanced display menu, and have to check "force 720p." At that point, the VP30 would "find" the rgbhv input, and all would be well.

Haven't tried it on the 50, but can't imagine it to be different. fwiw, with my Radeon, the first time I tried to get a display, I really had to "force 720p." Just chosing that 1280x720 (or whatever it is) from the list of possible output resolutions would not get a picture from the VP. Should have time to try this weekend - have been remounting and calibrating my 980 - haven't had time to just "play" with my 50.

Sorry to interrupt, but as a newb I have a question I hope someone can answer.

I have the VP50 connected to a Panny 50" 8-series display with both HDMI and component inputs. As I understand it, the display should be able to accept multiple resolutions, including it's native rate of 1366x768 (which is one of the reasons I purchased the VP50). Unfortunately I can only seem to get it to accept 1080i60 and 720p60. I tried using both the HDMI and component connections, but had the same results.

Any suggestions? Is there something in the Panny menus that also needs to be adjusted?

TIA,
Tom

Tom,

I have the 7 series panel w/HDMI connected to the VP50. The closest I could get to native rate and 1:1 from the presets on the VP50 is the 1366x768 (2) option under the format menu. From there, I throw up the Frame Geometry test pattern and tweak the timings to get a better alignment (you might try adjusting through your panel also). I also use overscan because as I change sources, eg. STB/DVD, this introduces scan lines, so the overscan removes them.

You might try the DVI blade if you have one, mine doesn't seem to work as well as the HDMI blade however. Although the specs on my DVI blade says it accepts an input signal of 1366x768@60Hz...

You might find some relevat information here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-394174.html

Here is some info from another post...

"I have attached a page from the blade (HDMI) you are using to this email which lists the compatible resolutions for that blade (you’ll note that 1366x768 is absent – thus not supported). By looking up the two manuals for the DVI and HDMI input blades (TY-42TM6D and TY-FB8HM respectively), I have found that both the current HDMI blade you have installed and the correct model do not list 1366x768 as a supported resolution. However, the TY-42M6D (DVI) DOES list 1366x768/60Hz as a valid resolution. "

So, in a nutshell, neither HDMI blade made by Panasonic for their plasmas will support 1366x768. The original 7 blade OR the newer 8 blade. If anyone is doing it, then please do post it because according to Panasonic and DVDO it cannot be done. If you say you can, we are calling you liars

Since the DVI blade does support 1366x768, it only makes sense that you (we) use that Panasonic blade to enter natively and post those settings.

I still don't know how difficult it will be to get a VP30 to send 1;1 and/or NR to the panny even with a DVI blade, but I do know that after 4 days of trying with HDMI that it wasnt me, it just isn't possible."

Anyway, YMMV

-Matt

I'm running the VP50 via HDMI with my Motorola Comcast box, out to the Sony Pearl projector. When I go to the menu on the VP50 for the Output, format options, the only option is 1080P/60 for 1080P. The 1080P-24/25/50 options are not highlighted and will not allow me to choose these options. Any ideas on why this is, and should I be able to select those options? Any help would be great. Thanks.

You should make sure the user options are set to advanced. And you change the 24/25/50 in the framerate options. Thats what I remember doing.

You should make sure the user options are set to advanced. And you change the 24/25/50 in the framerate options. Thats what I remember doing.


Got it to work, thanks. Not sure I really could tell any difference when changes from 1080/60 to 1080/48 or 24. Forget exactly which one I switched to. Which one is the best to use with HDTV, does there make any difference, or is this dependant on the display and what it accepts?

Picture quality wise you should not notice any change. But if you use 48 or 24 with film based material (movies) pans should look a lot smoother without "judder". But for video based like TV shows or sports 1080p/60 is the way to go. Its not necessarily picture quality but smooth panning quality that changes.

That is true CURRENTLY. However, in October there will be an upgrade which will allow you to output VGA/1080P from your xbox360. Games could be developed in 1080p and the new HD DVD add-on will also output in 1080P/VGA. I'm not sure if game developers will really do this. Kind of like the original XBOX. I think there were only a few games developed for 1080i and 720p. Most were 480p anyway. Do you see any difference between component 720p and VGA 720P? I'm currently using component (outputting at 720p to my VP50), but was thinking of switching to a VGA connection. However, if the VP50 can't handle it, I will not.... SJ

I know about the 360 1080p update and that's why I would like to use the VGA connection (plus, I don't want to invest in the 360 HD Component cable if VGA works fine.)

After the 360 update a couple of months ago, MS fixed something VGA related and the picture should now be a lot sharper than when using Component (I saw some comparison screenshots somewhere that showed this). I haven't tested it myself though.

But the question still remains: Will the VP50 accept 720p and 1080i from the Xbox 360 through the VGA 5 BNC's?

(And can I just use a VGA to 5 BNC cable on the 360 VGA cable?)

Sorry to interrupt, but as a newb I have a question I hope someone can answer.

I have the VP50 connected to a Panny 50" 8-series display with both HDMI and component inputs. As I understand it, the display should be able to accept multiple resolutions, including it's native rate of 1366x768 (which is one of the reasons I purchased the VP50). Unfortunately I can only seem to get it to accept 1080i60 and 720p60. I tried using both the HDMI and component connections, but had the same results.

Any suggestions? Is there something in the Panny menus that also needs to be adjusted?

TIA,
Tom

As Magic Hat says. You have to use the DVI blade to get native 1:1 Then you can use 1366/1360x768/60Hz.

Does anyone know when they are going to start shipping more VP50s?

Does anyone know when they are going to start shipping more VP50s?

Wow! Are you collecting VPs? I got the impression from your other posts that you already had a bunch of them. ;)
_____
Axel

Picture quality wise you should not notice any change. But if you use 48 or 24 with film based material (movies) pans should look a lot smoother without "judder". But for video based like TV shows or sports 1080p/60 is the way to go. Its not necessarily picture quality but smooth panning quality that changes.


Thanks, very helpful.

I have a two channel audio system as part of my HT setup and I'm wondering if I got a VP-50 if I could somehow get two channel audio out of it to my preamp. I would run, eventually, 3-4 hdmi (STB, HD-DVD, Bluray, iTV) into the VP-50 and hoped to use a analog (L & R) audio out to my preamp and save a lot of cabling (and enjoy enhanced video). Well, I don't see an 2 channel analog out from the back of the VP-50 so is it then not doable or can one use part of the component audio out? Or is there another way?

Thanks a lot for your help, greatly appreciated.

Where is Josh? It has been almost a month since he has posted.

I know about the 360 1080p update and that's why I would like to use the VGA connection (plus, I don't want to invest in the 360 HD Component cable if VGA works fine.)

After the 360 update a couple of months ago, MS fixed something VGA related and the picture should now be a lot sharper than when using Component (I saw some comparison screenshots somewhere that showed this). I haven't tested it myself though.

But the question still remains: Will the VP50 accept 720p and 1080i from the Xbox 360 through the VGA 5 BNC's?

(And can I just use a VGA to 5 BNC cable on the 360 VGA cable?)

The analog RGBHV input (5 BNCs) can also be used as component. I've been planning to use this input for a BD player to output 1080i to my projector but haven't tested it yet.

If you have component --> bnc adapters, you could connect the xbox 360(to the component BNC) and test if it will accept 720p or 1080i.

Where is Josh? It has been almost a month since he has posted.

Holiday, back in a week or two I think (so I hear).

The analog RGBHV input (5 BNCs) can also be used as component. I've been planning to use this input for a BD player to output 1080i to my projector but haven't tested it yet.

I'll be looking forward to your test results.

I bought the BNC to RCA Adapters at Radio Shack but I only
tried sending 1080i RGBHV on those inputs and that DID
NO WORK.

The analog RGBHV input (5 BNCs) can also be used as component. I've been planning to use this input for a BD player to output 1080i to my projector but haven't tested it yet.

If you have component --> bnc adapters, you could connect the xbox 360(to the component BNC) and test if it will accept 720p or 1080i.

Is there any difference between "component" and "VGA"? Or is it just the connector? I also have used the BNCs for a component connection and it works fine with 720p just like the other component connections. I also believe that the component connections will not work with 1080p. Thanks. Steve

I'll be looking forward to your test results.

I bought the BNC to RCA Adapters at Radio Shack but I only
tried sending 1080i RGBHV on those inputs and that DID
NO WORK.

It's strange the BNC input did not accept 1080i. The only input format it's reported not to accept is 480i. When inputing 1080i to the BNC, it's possible the VP50(VP30) will only output this thru the analog RGBHV output(opposed to HDMI). Were you using the analog BNC output when this didn't work?

It's strange the BNC input did not accept 1080i. The only input format it's reported not to accept is 480i. When inputing 1080i to the BNC, it's possible the VP50(VP30) will only output this thru the analog RGBHV output(opposed to HDMI). Were you using the analog BNC output when this didn't work?

My Output is HDMI. You may be right - that may explain why it did
not work. I threw out the old HD Receiver that only had RGBHV.

Again, 1080i does indeed work thru the RGBHV inputs, but I am outputting thru the RGBHV outputs. Dunno if that makes any difference to you or not....

Again, 1080i does indeed work thru the RGBHV inputs, but I am outputting thru the RGBHV outputs. Dunno if that makes any difference to you or not....

In my case it does because I'm scaling up to 1080p over HDMI to a Ruby.

Does anyone know when they are going to start shipping more VP50s?

I just got word that my shipment of VP50's is delayed from the distributor because they are "installing PREP into each unit before releasing them".

That's sounds pretty cool, despite the small delay :)

/Martin

Is there any difference between "component" and "VGA"? Or is it just the connector? I also have used the BNCs for a component connection and it works fine with 720p just like the other component connections. I also believe that the component connections will not work with 1080p. Thanks. Steve

VGA usually means the HD-15 connector (computer connector with 15 pins) which can be used for rgb, rgbs, rgbhv. It also used to mean the resolution 480p(480x640).

Thx for confirming 720p works with the bnc input. Were you also using the analog RGBHV output when this worked?

I already have one I was just wondering when they were going to start shipping them from their website... :) And it does seem strange that Josh has been silent...

VGA usually means the HD-15 connector (computer connector with 15 pins) which can be used for rgb, rgbs, rgbhv. It also used to mean the resolution 480p(480x640).

Thx for confirming 720p works with the bnc input. Were you also using the analog RGBHV output when this worked?

No, I was outputing HDMI/720P (digital).

It's strange the BNC input did not accept 1080i. The only input format it's reported not to accept is 480i. When inputing 1080i to the BNC, it's possible the VP50(VP30) will only output this thru the analog RGBHV output(opposed to HDMI). Were you using the analog BNC output when this didn't work?

The BNCs should accept analog/component 1080i and give you the ability to transcode to the HDMI output. I believe they can be configured just like any other component input?

What every happened to the DVDO guys on this forum? They would easily be able to answer these types of questions... Oh well. SJ

Dale,

You may not be able to answer this. How long will you be on the side lines (non compete clause)?

I just got word that my shipment of VP50's is delayed from the distributor because they are "installing PREP into each unit before releasing them".

That's sounds pretty cool, despite the small delay :)

/Martin


When I asked Ken from DVDO today about the release status for PREP he said it would be included “in the next firmware" which is due "in 4-6 weeks”. I am hoping that this timeframe includes a good amount of “CS buffer” to avoid any disappointment on the customer side if a too aggressive release date cannot be kept. I can fully understand and accept this; however, I am keeping my fingers crossed for a pleasant surprise. :)

He could not confirm the distributor statement above.

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Axel

I'd like to know if you can get two channel audio out of the VP-50. I have a 2 channel setup for stereo and TV audio and I'd like to run 3-4 hdmi sources to the VP-50 and get two channel audio out to my preamp (save some wiring mess) and I do not see the L & R audio out from the back of the panel. Is there a way to do this?

Thanks for any help.

Again, 1080i does indeed work thru the RGBHV inputs, but I am outputting thru the RGBHV outputs. Dunno if that makes any difference to you or not....


The BNCs should accept analog/component 1080i and give you the ability to transcode to the HDMI output. I believe they can be configured just like any other component input?

What every happened to the DVDO guys on this forum? They would easily be able to answer these types of questions... Oh well. SJ


For the sake of clarity - I called DVDO today. This is what the tech support guy told me:

"The RGBHV input (aka. Component 3) will accept the following formats:

1) 480p Component/YPbPr (no interlaced)
2) 576p Component/YPbPr (no interlaced)
3) 720p/50Hz Component/YPbPr
4) 720p/60Hz Component/YPbPr
5) 1080i/50Hz Component/YPbPr
6) 1080i/60Hz Component/YPbPr

7) VGA (640x480/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
8) SVGA (800x600/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
9) XGA (1024x768/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
10) SXGA (1280x1024/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB

Please note that RGBHV specifies the PC interface mode of: Red, Green, Blue, Horizontal Sync, Vertical Sync signals.

Also note that Component specifies the US Component video interface of: Green (Y/Sync), Pr (red component), Pb (blue component) - This means that sending the signal from an RCA DTC-100 which requires 1080i support with the RGBHV interface and RGB colorspace, is not supported."

Personally, I've had the experience that if you connect the H/V cables on some devices (like plasma displays) it will switch automatically to the RGBHV mode - and if the format you send to it is not supported under that mode you'll get an unknown signal error. This sounds exactly like what you're seeing.

I think this should answer your question...

Cheers!

-LD :cool:

P.S. He also said Josh will be back from vacation on Monday :) -LD

For the sake of clarity - I called DVDO today. This is what the tech support guy told me:
7) VGA (640x480/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
8) SVGA (800x600/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
9) XGA (1024x768/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
10) SXGA (1280x1024/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB

Please note that RGBHV specifies the PC interface mode of: Red, Green, Blue, Horizontal Sync, Vertical Sync signals.


That also AGREES with what I was told when my 1080i over RGBHV DID NOT WORK.
It is not 7, 8, 9 or 10 Above.

So why can I get 1080i sent via RGBHV from my HD STB?

So what the heck does the XBOX360 output from the VGA connection? Surely it is not #7? This connection out of the XBOX is just like a computer monitor output (basically the 360 is a computer - assume all the outputs are progressive). When they indicate that they will output 1080P using the VGA connection, is that like #10?

So why can I get 1080i sent via RGBHV from my HD STB?

Because your VP is better than our VP [GRIN]?

I don't know.

In my case - I suspect it had something to do with a weird retrace timing
on a, almost 10 year old HD Box, - the First HD Receiver Ever Made.

Gino

Have you received your VP 50 yet?. I'm still waiting for mine, they sent me an email saying it shipped at the end of September. I ordered my upgrade through AVS. I wonder what has happened to them!

John

Dale,

You may not be able to answer this. How long will you be on the side lines (non compete clause)?That sort of thing is generally unenforceable under California law. One possible exception is in the event of something like a corporate acquisition, but that doesn't apply here.

- Dale Adams

That sort of thing is generally unenforceable under California law. One possible exception is in the event of something like a corporate acquisition, but that doesn't apply here.

- Dale Adams

FYI - Another Legal FACT - no company can enforce a no-compete
unless they pay you 100% of your salary to NOT WORK for someone
else [GRIN]!

As a CEO - I know!

I'm still waiting for mine, they sent me an email saying it shipped at the end of September. I ordered my upgrade through AVS. I wonder what has happened to them!


John... AVS sent them to local distributor, Synergy... look up dvdo website for contact info... follow it up with them... they have them here already :)

Just received the new unit yesterday and hooked it up last night. I am not impressed with the SD through my Panny 900. Really no noticeable improvement. The HD processed to the 720 output is spectacular although it was pretty spectacular before the vp50. I am inputting my comcast cable box at 480i to out put 720p60 for SD over component both ways. Any suggestion on how to make the SD look better? I know crap in, crap out, but for $2600 I really expected more. The other bad news, within 10 minutes of trying to calibrate, the unit locked up including the remote. I had to hard reset at which time the unit came back but not the remote. DVDO is sending a new one, but still a disappointment. Anyone else had problems with the remote?

So what the heck does the XBOX360 output from the VGA connection? Surely it is not #7? This connection out of the XBOX is just like a computer monitor output (basically the 360 is a computer - assume all the outputs are progressive). When they indicate that they will output 1080P using the VGA connection, is that like #10?

No. I output 1280x1024 from my 360's right now. The 1080P update will enable 1920x1080P.

No. I output 1280x1024 from my 360's right now. The 1080P update will enable 1920x1080P.

Thanks. Then the VP50 will not be able to handle 1080P via VGA. SJ

That sort of thing is generally unenforceable under California law. One possible exception is in the event of something like a corporate acquisition, but that doesn't apply here.

- Dale Adams

After talking some time off, maybe you should send you resume to Faroudja (or whatever the name of the company is that acquired them). They could use somebody like you to put them back on the map! SJ

Lonelydodger,

I read your most recent post about the VGA input on the dvdo. I made a separate thread about the dvdo and the Xbox 360. Unfortunately, I cannot really understand your post(it is too technical for me. That is not your fault, it is just my lack of understanding). I was wondering whether when the Xbox 360 gets the update to output 1080p, will the vp50 be able to accept a vga connection and pass through the 1080p signal to a lcd connected via hdmi from the vp50?

Here is a link to the thread that I posted:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738670

Thanks in advance

Lonelydodger,

I read your most recent post about the VGA input on the dvdo. I made a separate thread about the dvdo and the Xbox 360. Unfortunately, I cannot really understand your post(it is too technical for me. That is not your fault, it is just my lack of understanding). I was wondering whether when the Xbox 360 gets the update to output 1080p, will the vp50 be able to accept a vga connection and pass through the 1080p signal to a lcd connected via hdmi from the vp50?

Here is a link to the thread that I posted:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738670

Thanks in advance

Given the info that has been posted;
Originally Posted by LonelyDodger
For the sake of clarity - I called DVDO today. This is what the tech support guy told me:
7) VGA (640x480/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
8) SVGA (800x600/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
9) XGA (1024x768/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB
10) SXGA (1280x1024/60Hz) RGBHV/RGB

The 1080p (1920 x 1080p) resolution is not covered by the VP50. 1280x1024 looks to be the highest. SJ

No, I was outputing HDMI/720P (digital).

That's good news, thx.

I checked out the rear of the dvdo online(my actual unit has not yet arrived). I do not see a vga input connection on the back. How do you connect vga coming out of a xbox360 for instance to the dvdo? Does it require some sort of converter cable?

Also, why would dvdo not have vga work with 1080p? Can they 'fix" this through a software update or is that issue built into the system per se?

Thank you.

I checked out the rear of the dvdo online(my actual unit has not yet arrived). I do not see a vga input connection on the back. How do you connect vga coming out of a xbox360 for instance to the dvdo? Does it require some sort of converter cable?

Also, why would dvdo not have vga work with 1080p? Can they 'fix" this through a software update or is that issue built into the system per se?

Thank you.

VGA input to the DVDO requires RGBHV and a Cable from 15 Pin Din
to RGBHV.

As for the rest of your questions [GRIN] - GOOD LUCK.

Ouch, that is some evil grin!!

So I need a 15 pin Din cabel to rghhv? Ugh, I am sorry, do you have a link to one of these cables? Is this called BNC also?

Norgoth,

From 2 of the forums sponsors:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/rgbhv/index.htm

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10203&style=

half way down VGA to BNC

Thank you so much. I was not sure what cable to get.

Extremely noob-type question:

I just bought the Sony 46XBR3, and I've noticed the judder effect with panning scenes and other similar scenes in film-based movies.

Will the VP-50 get rid of this judder effect?

My source is an HD DVR box by Motorola, and I will soon have a PS3 which I'll use mainly for gaming but also an occassional BD movie until I decide to purchase a dedicated BD movie.

Sorry for the noob question. Please "read through xxx number of pages to find out". I just want to know whether VP50 will eliminate or at least decrease the presence of judder.

Extremely noob-type question:

I just bought the Sony 46XBR3, and I've noticed the judder effect with panning scenes and other similar scenes in film-based movies.

Will the VP-50 get rid of this judder effect?

My source is an HD DVR box by Motorola, and I will soon have a PS3 which I'll use mainly for gaming but also an occassional BD movie until I decide to purchase a dedicated BD movie.

Sorry for the noob question. Please "read through xxx number of pages to find out". I just want to know whether VP50 will eliminate or at least decrease the presence of judder.
Does it accept and display 1080p 24fps or 48Hz? If so you can totally eliminate 3:2 pulldown judder. If it only accepts 1080p 60Hz then you are stuck with judder.

Another question about the vga adapter for the xbox360 to the dvdo:

Assuming I already have the microsoft vga cable that runs from the xbox 360. Link here: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahdcable/

Do I need a male or female 15pin to the male BNCs?

I apologize about all the questions but I want to pick up the cable before my dvdo arrives in a few days.

Ouch, that is some evil grin!!

So I need a 15 pin Din cabel to rghhv? Ugh, I am sorry, do you have a link to one of these cables? Is this called BNC also?

Like Andy - I buy all my cables from an AVS Sponsor Monoprice

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10203&cs_id=1020304&p_id=566&seq=1&format=2&style=

Another question about the vga adapter for the xbox360 to the dvdo:

Assuming I already have the microsoft vga cable that runs from the xbox 360. Link here: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahdcable/

Do I need a male or female 15pin to the male BNCs?

I apologize about all the questions but I want to pick up the cable before my dvdo arrives in a few days.

I can not tell what GENDER Microsoft has on the 15 pin din you have.
You should be able to determine that gender.

The BNC connectors on the VP50 are FEMALE - so you need male BNC
connectors on the cable.

I'm quite sure you need a female VGA to male BNC cable as the 360 VGA cable is male.

Please post what resolutions the VP50 accept with VGA BNC from the 360 when you receive your VP50, I'm very interested since I have the same setup.

Thanks

I will post my results here. However, I am not setting it all up until November 8th. I have put aside two full days to set up a bunch of new components that I have purchased.

Thank you all for the responses!

Hmm, I wonder if I have the same issue, but probably not:

I have noticed a very thin (approx 1 pixel wide) vertical line (steady, not flashing) at the far most right side when running refresh/frame rate of either 60Hz or 59.94Hz unlocked. With 48Hz it is gone. Output res is 1080 (Ruby). I tried various inputs (different sources/player, input res., connectors, and HDMI ports); results are the same. I do not have this issue when feeding those sources directly into the Ruby.

I tried all sorts of settings (zoom, borders) but neither one helped. Right now I am projecting a bit into the screen masking to cover up the issue a bit – not ideal.
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Axel

Update

In the meantime I have tried different cables for VP50 output. It also does not matter whether I feed this signal into the Ruby via its DVI or HDMI port. Results are the same: The white line shows up at 1080p at either 59.94 or 60 Hz. I tried a lower res. for giggles – the white line was gone. First I was thinking that I may have reached the electrical limits of cable and/or connectors with those demanding res/timings. However, after playing with every setting I could find in the VP50 set up menu I came across the HDCP switch. I had it set to “on” so far. Turning it off lets the white line disappear and comes back immediately, if HDCP is switched back on again. While my HTPC does not care, my Toshiba A1 refuses to send a picture unless HDCP is set to “on”.
Obviously this white line is kind of annoying. This behavior of the VP50 seems like a bug to me and is hopefully easily fixable with the next firmware update.

In short: this white horizontal line is caused by the VP50s activated HDCP setting when running 1080p60 or 59.94Hz. Could anyone verify this in his setup? Maybe with a similar/same setup then mine (Ruby, A1, VP50)?

Thanks much!

(I‘ll update DVDO Tech Support in parallel.)
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Axel

Could anyone verify this in his setup? Maybe with a similar/same setup then mine (Ruby, A1, VP50)?
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Axel

Hi Axel:

I know I'm going to open a can of worms here but I have the exact same setup
A1 [HDMI] to Denon AVR [HDMI] to VP50 [HDMI - 30 ft.] to Ruby @ 1080p.

I SEE NO White line.

Don't ask what my settings are - I don't know. They are basically factory stock.
The only tweaking I have done is set the output to 1080p via HDMI and Make
sure HDCP is set to on.

I am looking for discrete IR commands for individual display profiles (1, 2, ..10). My searches so far came up empty. Are those available? Can anybody shed some light on this?

Thanks!

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Axel

Hi Axel:

I know I'm going to open a can of worms here but I have the exact same setup
A1 [HDMI] to Denon AVR [HDMI] to VP50 [HDMI - 30 ft.] to Ruby @ 1080p.

I SEE NO White line.

Don't ask what my settings are - I don't know. They are basically factory stock.
The only tweaking I have done is set the output to 1080p via HDMI and Make
sure HDCP is set to on.

Thanks!
Could you tell me what your output refresh rate is on your VP50? (e.g. by pressing the remote info button). My guess since you are using the HDMI input of the Ruby you are not using 48Hz, but either 59.94Hz or 60Hz. This is where I get the white line.

(Again this white line is about 1 pixel wide and runs vertically across the whole screen height at the far most right side).

Thanks!
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Axel

Thanks!
Could you tell me what your output refresh rate is on your VP50? (e.g. by pressing the remote info button). My guess since you are using the HDMI input of the Ruby you are not using 48Hz, but either 59.94Hz or 60Hz. This is where I get the white line.

(Again this white line is about 1 pixel wide and runs vertically across the whole screen height at the far most right side).

Thanks!
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Axel

1) Correct - NOT running 48Hz.

2) Running 59.94.

3) I believe unlocked but I'm 100 miles away right now.

I am looking for discrete IR commands for individual display profiles (1, 2, ..10). My searches so far came up empty. Are those available? Can anybody shed some light on this?

Thanks!

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Axel


On the DVDO Website.

http://www.dvdo.com/faq/IRcodes-isvp30.html

On the DVDO Website.

http://www.dvdo.com/faq/IRcodes-isvp30.html
Have they not added 5-10?

I'm quite sure you need a female VGA to male BNC cable as the 360 VGA cable is male.

Please post what resolutions the VP50 accept with VGA BNC from the 360 when you receive your VP50, I'm very interested since I have the same setup.

Thanks
I think I'd just use component from the HD cable into the vp50. Why bother with VGA and adapters (although I guess you still need phono-BNCs if you're running out of analog inputs!)

I use VGA direct into my plasma to get native res although I only ever plug in the extra cable temporarily

Have they not added 5-10?

I do not know what 5-10 is????

I could only see discrete codes for Display Profiles 1,2,3,4 and User on that page - the vp30 has had 10 display profiles for a long time.

I could only see discrete codes for Display Profiles 1,2,3,4 and User on that page - the vp30 has had 10 display profiles for a long time.

OK - Now I understand.

But I am not in control of discrete codes [GRIN]!

I could only see discrete codes for Display Profiles 1,2,3,4 and User on that page - the vp30 has had 10 display profiles for a long time.
just be aware that my discrete commands stop working after a while... don't know why ... I have to reboot the VP50 and they start to work again... same happened with the VP30 .....

I have a pronto remote....

on the topic of discrete remote codes, i have a harmony remote but after adding the VP50 none of the aspect ratio preset number items are in the database for the device. I tried the VP30 also and those are not in there either (even 1-4 which DVDO makes available). There is an item called AspectPreset which appears to do nothing. Anyone get this to work with a harmony remote?

On the DVDO Website.

http://www.dvdo.com/faq/IRcodes-isvp30.html

Thanks!
That's a good start: codes for 1-4 and auto.
Now I need to find a way to import those codes into my MX3000. I believe I may have to convert them via the Pronto editor tool first.
Anybody out there that could share his ccf or even better rcc file?

Thanks!
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Axel

Thanks!
That's a good start: codes for 1-4 and auto.
Now I need to find a way to import those codes into my MX3000. I believe I may have to convert them via the Pronto editor tool first.
Anybody out there that could share his ccf or even better rcc file?

Thanks!
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Axel

DVDO is always glad to share, here you go. :rolleyes:
http://www.dvdo.com/faq/VP30_IR_ControlCodes.ccf

HI,

A few questions as the direction booklet let left me a little lost.

I have recently installed a VP30w/SDI and a Denon2930CI/SDI to my BenQ8700+.

The picture looks great but now everything is in letterbox format on my 16:9 Screen. I've set the Input/Output 16:9 on the VP30 and on the Denon but it still doesnt fill the screen like it did before the VP.

Do I set the BenQ to Thru or Anamorphic?

Thanks in advance

Michael

Is Josh on a vacation? :)

Quit bitchin. I have to look at everything through jail bars with the VP50 in my system. Try splaining that to friends you invite over to watch the game. Even my wife notices the pin stripes. I ain't bitchin cause I know the product manager will get it fixed. :)

I would have to send it back. No way I would settle for those lines. I would rather go without the VP50 then have to tell people why there are lines on the screen...

They say the fix will be by download and that the problem is not a physical defect, so I will wait. What's the bet? Will Josh appear before the fix? My bet is that he will announce it touting the availability of Prep.

I would have to send it back. No way I would settle for those lines. I would rather go without the VP50 then have to tell people why there are lines on the screen...

the white line flash I see is only on the top left corner, so I'm using overscan on the plasma to get rid of it....

Two different problems. I wish all I have was a white line. I am white line free. I have repetitive stripes, vertically, across the entire picture.

DVDO is always glad to share, here you go. :rolleyes:
http://www.dvdo.com/faq/VP30_IR_ControlCodes.ccf

Thanks. I had seen this file already. Unfortunately it does not contain those discrete display profile codes I am looking for. In the file includes basically the factory remote buttons and a few other discrete codes, e.g. audio input.
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Axel

Thanks. I had seen this file already. Unfortunately it does not contain those discrete display profile codes I am looking for. In the file includes basically the factory remote buttons and a few other discrete codes, e.g. audio input.
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Axel

I noticed that also - otherwise I would have sent you the file.

It is a little surprise they are not in the CCF file.

You can easily copy and paste them from the first file into the CCF
and then you have them all.

I use a Crestron Control System and I copied and pasted all the discrete
codes into the Crestron system and all is HAPPY.

choddo2006,

With respect to running vga from the xbox360 through the VP50, my initial goal was to avoid having more than one cable go to my LCD. I intend on running HDMI from the VP50 to the LCD with everything upscaled to 1080p. Unfortunately, I found out through this thread that the VP50 does not support vga input at that resolution. This is an issue because shortly Microsoft will be providing a software download to the Xbox360 that will allow 1080p output through the vga connection but not the component cable. My goal here, was not for games(because I do not believe any games are yet or soon to be published in that resolution), but was for the upcoming HD-DVD addon for the Xbox360. I do not yet want to buy a standalone HDDVD or BluRay player until at least the second or third generation of players are released. So for $199 I purchased the Xbox360 addon.

Now I am in a quandry as a result of the VP50 not accepting a 1080p signal from vga. This means I will have to either run the component cable at 1080i and have the VP50 upscale it to 1080p, or as you do, run the vga directly to the LCD, which somewhat obviates the usefulness of the VP50. It does not entirely obviate the purpose of buying the VP50, but does eliminate one of my purchase considerations.

P.S. One other issue: I do not think my LCD even has a vga input connection. It is the new Sharp 52" D62U LCD. It is being delivered in November but I just checked the website and there is no vga input.

Now I am in a quandry as a result of the VP50 not accepting a 1080p signal from vga. This means I will have to either run the component cable at 1080i and have the VP50 upscale it to 1080p, or as you do, run the vga directly to the LCD, which somewhat obviates the usefulness of the VP50. It does not entirely obviate the purpose of buying the VP50, but does eliminate one of my purchase considerations.

P.S. One other issue: I do not think my LCD even has a vga input connection. It is the new Sharp 52" D62U LCD. It is being delivered in November but I just checked the website and there is no vga input.

I am not aware of ANY Device on the planet that will support 1080p via VGA.
The only possibility is a desk-top display that is on a 2 ft. cable away from the
xBox.

I wouldn't pick on DVDO - Pick on Microsoft for building a device that can
interface to NOTHING in the Home Entertainment Industry?

ALL Electronics that I am aware only support 1080p over HDMI.

For all new VP50 owners. The software package I originally wrote for the VP30 also handles the VP50 and includes all of the new VP50 RS232 commands. It still does not do the save and restore of the settings (there are over 1000) of them, but if DVDO ever puts in the ability via an RS232 command to dump/restore the settings, I will add it.

The software connects a PC to the VP50 and allows full RS232 control over all of its operation, including loading new firmware. It has a reasonable GUI, and also will produce all of the IR codes in Pronto hex format so you can copy/paste them into a IR Remote (if it accepts Pronto Hex format)

The software is available at www.the-gordons.net. read the home page for user id and password info, and at the bottom of the home page follow the obvious link.

For all new VP50 owners. The software package I originally wrote for the VP30 also handles the VP50 and includes all of the new VP50 RS232 commands. It still does not do the save and restore of the settings (there are over 1000) of them, but if DVDO ever puts in the ability via an RS232 command to dump/restore the settings, I will add it.

The software connects a PC to the VP50 and allows full RS232 control over all of its operation, including loading new firmware. It has a reasonable GUI, and also will produce all of the IR codes in Pronto hex format so you can copy/paste them into a IR Remote (if it accepts Pronto Hex format)

The software is available at www.the-gordons.net. read the home page for user id and password info, and at the bottom of the home page follow the obvious link.

Barry;
I just browsed through it. Wow, this is really great stuff you put together!!

I was looking for the discrete codes for the display settings (1 to 10 and auto) but could not find them. Have I overlooked them?

Thanks!
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Axel

Just for clarification, I was not blaming DVDO for anything. Nor do I feel like blaming Microsoft. I simply was making the point about my goals, etc. With respect to no device on the planet supporting 1080p via vga, would not the new panels that have vga input connections accept a 1080p signal or is that something that would not exist?

If you really mean that no device would accept vga at 1080p, then I must admit it is pretty weird to enable it over vga rather than provide a HDMI connection.

Just for clarification, I was not blaming DVDO for anything. Nor do I feel like blaming Microsoft. I simply was making the point about my goals, etc. With respect to no device on the planet supporting 1080p via vga, would not the new panels that have vga input connections accept a 1080p signal or is that something that would not exist?

If you really mean that no device would accept vga at 1080p, then I must admit it is pretty weird to enable it over vga rather than provide a HDMI connection.

It is just my guess - but an educated one - that only desk top displays
MIGHT support it. It is against all the standards for 1080p and 1080p
bandwidth requirement is too high for VGA - which is why there are
new standards. It would only work over very short distances.

I may be missing something but why not just use the YUV component output of the XBOX 360 to output 1080p when the update is released ?.

YUV component using RCAs works great for me now and I was under the impression that the 1080p update supported this method of connection.

If it is a matter of physical connections then surely a component switcher or RCA-BNC adaptors would do the job.

Cheers,

Tony.

For all new VP50 owners. The software package I originally wrote for the VP30 also handles the VP50 and includes all of the new VP50 RS232 commands. It still does not do the save and restore of the settings (there are over 1000) of them, but if DVDO ever puts in the ability via an RS232 command to dump/restore the settings, I will add it.

The software connects a PC to the VP50 and allows full RS232 control over all of its operation, including loading new firmware. It has a reasonable GUI, and also will produce all of the IR codes in Pronto hex format so you can copy/paste them into a IR Remote (if it accepts Pronto Hex format)

The software is available at www.the-gordons.net. read the home page for user id and password info, and at the bottom of the home page follow the obvious link.

thanks Barry, I have been using your IR code generator from the VP30 with my VP50 ..all good!

Cheers,

Marcelo

Just curious... if you already have a 1080p panel, what is the point of feeding a 1080p signal from the xbox360 to the vp50 first? only to keep a single connection?

I'm wondering if I should return my VP50. Any responses on the following would be appreciated. I read through the last ten or fifteen pages in this thread, and it appears that no one else is reporting this problem or anything similar.

The HDMI connection to a Sony DVP-NS9100ES DVD/SACD player fails. In other words, the VP50 does not work with the HDMI connection on the top of the line and most expensive Sony DVD player.

When the VP50 is on, the HDMI connection to the Sony fails. Turn off the VP50, and the "HDMI" indicator lights up on the front panel of the Sony. That is the case with a direct connection to the VP50.

I also tried this using a Lexicon MC12HD. In that case, the Sony HDMI signal goes to the Lexicon MC12HD via HDMI for both audio and video. It the goes from the MC12HD to the VP50 and from there to my Sony 60" SXRD.

Some problem. When the VP50 is on and seen by the Lexicon and Sony, the Sony DVD HDMI light goes off and there is no HDMI connection.

When the VP50 is off, the HDMI light on the front panel of the Sony DVD goes back on and there is an HDMI connection

>>Finally, I tried every variation to fix the problem, including turning both VP50 HDCP settings on and off. I tried different cables. Nothing helped

Prior to receiving the VP50, I used the Sony DVD to the Lexicon and then to my Sony SXRD with no problems

CLEARLY THE PROBLEM IS THE HDMI CONNECTION TO THE VP50.

The VP50 is failing on the HDMI connection with the top of the line Sony DVD player.

Any suggestions?

Or should I return the unit for a refund?

No suggestions but the VP50 works over HDMI with my Sony 975 DVD player without any problems. 6.1 DTS and 5.1 DD along with 480i video work perfectly over HDMI. It's nowhere near the top of the line but it is a Sony.

This is an issue because shortly Microsoft will be providing a software download to the Xbox360 that will allow 1080p output through the vga connection but not the component cable. My goal here, was not for games(because I do not believe any games are yet or soon to be published in that resolution), but was for the upcoming HD-DVD addon for the Xbox360. I do not yet want to buy a standalone HDDVD or BluRay player until at least the second or third generation of players are released. So for $199 I purchased the Xbox360 addon.

Now I am in a quandry as a result of the VP50 not accepting a 1080p signal from vga. This means I will have to either run the component cable at 1080i and have the VP50 upscale it to 1080p, or as you do, run the vga directly to the LCD, which somewhat obviates the usefulness of the VP50. It does not entirely obviate the purpose of buying the VP50, but does eliminate one of my purchase considerations.
No HD-DVD content is 1080p; it is the most 1080i (or 720p), therefore, it is desirable to output 1080i to the VP50, as it will probably have a better deinterlacer than the Xbox360. I suppose the exception is for HD-DVD discs that are perfectly flagged (and film-based), if the Xbox360 deinterlacer follows the disc flags. But if the disc has HD video content or mis-/un-flagged film content, 1080i to the VP50 would be superior.

No HD-DVD content is 1080p; it is the most 1080i (or 720p),

I thought they are already encoded with 1080p, just that the broadcom decoder was currently limited to 1080i?

I thought they are already encoded with 1080p, just that the broadcom decoder was currently limited to 1080i?
If I'm not mistaken, that would only be 24p or 30p. Not 60p. So as long as the deinterlacer in the VP50 is doing its job, you would never be losing any resolution by sending 1080i.

For the games, like you said, they are 720p native so it's just a question of whether the Xbox360 or the VP50 scaler is better. (I'd guess it's a subtle difference in any case. Probably best to just output the game's native resolution (or just 720p) and let the VP50 rescale.) If games were made in native 1080p, then you'd want to get 1080p into the VP50.

The HD-DVD home page says the maximum disc resolution is 1080p. Uses the words "up to 1080p". A disc I think could be recorded with a resolution of less. I would assume for video it would have to be @ 60.

The HD-DVD home page says the maximum disc resolution is 1080p. Uses the words "up to 1080p". A disc I think could be recorded with a resolution of less. I would assume for video it would have to be @ 60.

All HD-DVD has been authored @ 1080p/24fps. I would trust more the DVDO to scale then the X360. You can run VGA A 1080i and let the scaler do the rest.

Thank you all for the input. I will run component from the xbox360 at 1080i to the VP50 and let the VP50 to the deinterlacing, etc. I will definitely post my results when everything is set up.

Gino AUS: The answer is yes. I want to have one connection going to my LCD. I like the elegance of that solution. I also like the fact that I will not have to switch inputs on the Sharp LCD. I find the input switching on the Sharps to be less than ideal.

I am not aware of ANY Device on the planet that will support 1080p via VGA.

Samsungs current gen 1080p DLPs support 1080p over VGA and component.

My Samsung set is a 2005 model and the vga input is the only input that takes 1080P.
It works fine at 1920x1080P with my HTPC but I'm not sure what settings I need from the VP50 for it to work at 1080P. Does anyone know what Settings I need to change with that resolution to get it to work? I can get it to work at lower resolutions but not at 1080P. I remember trying it with the VP30 but I don't remember what settings I used to get it to work. So if someone knows what I need to change the setting to to get 1080P on the VGA to work it would be appreciated.

Neverminid. I found my notes from before. It does the same thing as with the VP30. I can get a picture but I can't get it to fill the screen like it should. I'll just stick with 1080i over HDMI.
One other question. For the framerate should I set it to 60hz locked which is actually 59.94Hz or should I just set it to 60Hz unlocked which is really 60Hz?

All of them have been film, not video. For film 24 fps. For video, I would expect 60 fps.

I spent tonight watching the Dallas, New York game at 720p 60 in, 720p 60 out. No deinterlacing or scaling. Still getting the vetical striping. Only realy noticeable with blue backgrounds. I am posting this because I'd bet that Josh is carefully monitoring this thread. It would be nice to get a calculated response from him about a fix.

Thank you all for the input. I will run component from the xbox360 at 1080i to the VP50 and let the VP50 to the deinterlacing, etc. I will definitely post my results when everything is set up.

Gino AUS: The answer is yes. I want to have one connection going to my LCD. I like the elegance of that solution. I also like the fact that I will not have to switch inputs on the Sharp LCD. I find the input switching on the Sharps to be less than ideal.

Norgoth, I've got a gefen convertor (component or vga + audio to hdmi) for my X360 connection (can go with the supplied component cables, or the vga- either way). I'm sending the signal into my video storm tmds61 switcher and off to my jvc hd70fh97 with one hdmi connection. Actually the full route of connections is using my rotel rsp-1098 for all component switching with the component monitor out going to the aforementioned Gefen with its hdmi out going to the video storm

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3569

The entire setup works tremendously well with absolutely no video or audio dropouts and full support to 1080p.

John

Ispent tonight watching the Dallas, New York game at 720p 60 in, 720p 60 out. No deinterlacing or scaling. Still getting the vetical striping. Only realy noticeable with blue backgrounds.
The signal almost certainly still passes through the scaler, and might still pass through the deinterlacer. It goes through the deinterlacer so that it can do cadence detection (although this may be bypassed with a 60 Hz output - I'm not sure how the VP50 software actually sets it up) and through the scaler so that it can perform any needed zoom, underscan, overscan, or aspect ratio conversion. If there's a problem with one of those chips then it's likely you would still see it even with 720p in and out.

- Dale Adams

Thanks Dale.

Given that no one from ABT other than a consultant seems to post here anymore, I guess its time to call them for a swap out. One can not be expected to wat indefinately with no updates.

Thanks Dale.

Given that no one from ABT other than a consultant seems to post here anymore, I guess its time to call them for a swap out. One can not be expected to wat indefinately with no updates.

True, but if you were Josh, would you poke your head up, just to get it whacked? He has sold and shipped a product with as many, or arguably more, bugs than the VP30 - not only is the audio bug present, but now you and others are seeing video problems. While folks shrug off the audio dropouts, or bypass it altogether, not much point in bypassing a VP with the video signal.

Sorry to hear about your problems - so far, (knock wood,) my video is still looking pretty good. Have even tested HDMI output, and it is working, tho I can't get my lcd panel to accept native rate. Which, is NOT DVDO's problem. I know. ;)

Bad thought - if they are waiting for a firmware update until they actually get everything fixed, are you going to expect it this year?

You should be thankful you have one at all! I ordered mine on day 1, my credit card charged 3 weeks ago, Today UK importer OWL said my box was not in the shipment they received, of coarse every one else in the UK now has theirs. I'm VERY VERY cross, :mad: :mad:

To be fair, no one should treat this thread or forum as ABT tech support. If you have a problem that you want them to fix, call or email them directly. I'm not saying they will then magically fix all problems, but your odds of them tracking it are probably infinitely higher then just posting here that you have a problem.

If you want to see if others are having the problem, alert people to it, compare notes, or ask other questions, then please post here!

eric

Dunno about that, eric. One can't have things both ways. Who started this thread? Is this thread is purely for ABT marketing ? - one could easily come to that conclusion. I always thought it was for a mutual dissemination of information - in theory, of help both to the end user and the manufacturer/designers. There was plenty of DVDO input when sales and preorders were being made...now that there are end-user problems, your take is that we are not to expect any feedback or input here? If so, have Ofer change the thread name to something more appropriate.

You should be thankful you have one at all! I ordered mine on day 1, my credit card charged 3 weeks ago, Today UK importer OWL said my box was not in the shipment they received, of coarse every one else in the UK now has theirs. I'm VERY VERY cross, :mad: :mad:


talk to Mark, above...I'll bet he has one he could fix you up with. :p In the words of some Chinese philosopher, be careful what you wish for. ;)

Dunno about that, eric. One can't have things both ways. Who started this thread? Is this thread is purely for ABT marketing ? - one could easily come to that conclusion. I always thought it was for a mutual dissemination of information - in theory, of help both to the end user and the manufacturer/designers. There was plenty of DVDO input when sales and preorders were being made...now that there are end-user problems, your take is that we are not to expect any feedback or input here? If so, have Ofer change the thread name to something more appropriate.

I'm not saying people shouldn't talk about their problems here. I just don't think they should be dissatisfied with ABT for being unresponsive to their problem if they have only reported their problem in this thread, and not contacted ABT support directly, as well.

Josh started the thread and he's product manager (don't know if that reports to marketing or engineering at ABT), not tech support, sales, etc. You don't order product through this thread, I'm not sure why you would think individual customer support tickets would be tracked here, either. I'd hope that ABT is big enough that it has a real customer support system in place for that.

Looking at my original post, I realize I wasn't clear, I was really intending to respond to the comment above that since no one from ABT was posting here, that the poster resignedly guessed he'd have to contact them directly.

eric

fair 'nuff - but I'll wager that many, if not most of us have indeed contacted dvdo support at one time or another. I know I have. Nothing has changed, but I have contacted them. They are friendly, and they are located in the US of A, instead of Bombay, so things could be far worse. ;) btw, eric - Josh is in marketing. Guess that's not sales, but close enough for rock n roll. :)

...your take is that we are not to expect any feedback or input here? If so, have Ofer change the thread name to something more appropriate.

We do occasionally get feedback from input here (unlike other places). And change the thread name? To what? It only says "New DVDO IScan VP50" - nothing about "post your support ticket complaints here" or "don't contact support at ABT, simply post here".

While I agree Josh is more present when announcing product upgrades, improvements, etc, he is under no obligation or even reasonable expectation to provide quick-time response to all posted complaints here. He occasionally does that, but often does not. Assume your own reasons either cynical or not. But the fact is, most manufacturers don't participate at all, much less to the extent ABT does. And that includes Dale (even though now a former ABT drone).

It seems a bit presumptuous to expect all support issues to originate here (input maybe for wider dissemination, solution not necessarily), prior to contacting their official support channel. The fact that they do sometimes interact here in a support fashion is indication of some willingness to help, even if not up to the perfection expected by some. So, what does that say about the manufacturers who don't participate at all and their concern for your (the customers') input? Not a rant - just something to think about before throwing Josh in the boiling pot of oil.

throwing Josh in the boiling pot of oil.

Boiling pot of oil....boiling pot of oil....boiling pot of oil....

Calm down all. I did contact ABT and I was informed that they thought the problem was fixable by a software update which would be released with the Prep software implementaion.

I have no problem with the company or Josh.

But I think a post or two keeping the masses updated would be a good thing. Such as we hope to have the software ready by _____. etc etc. No big deal but now I have to call and ask for an update. I'll call and post the results.

Calm down all.

Ok, who here wasn't properly calm?! Stand up and be counted! By God, we need to weed out these hyper individuals and flog them - in full 1080p!

Boiling Oil, only way to go.

Well I called and got right through. Was told engineering is working on Prep, fixes for the audio drop outs, and the striping problem. DVDO has been able to duplicate the striping problem. Look for a software fix for all these problems in about 3 weeks. Could be earlier, could be later.

Just got an e-mail from Josh. He has been on vacation in China for the last three weeks. He needs to get updated on what is happening re fixes and will shortly be updating us here and posting here again with his helpful answers to questions.

I spent tonight watching the Dallas, New York game at 720p 60 in, 720p 60 out. No deinterlacing or scaling. Still getting the vetical striping. Only realy noticeable with blue backgrounds. I am posting this because I'd bet that Josh is carefully monitoring this thread. It would be nice to get a calculated response from him about a fix.

Marc,

I'm sorry you are having problems... and at the same time glad that I'm not the one with an issue... I have not seen what you are describing yet... But you must feel better that's its been acknowledged by DVDO.

I did watch the game also... being a New Yorker, and didn't notice the effect, I can say that the PQ of that UPN broadcast left a lot to be desired... It looked terrible, My that exacerbates the problem?

It's interesting that the game looked a lot better on ESPN Must be the cameras

RoydRage

Got mine today. Generally pleased but has anyone else had a problem with the RGBHV inputs? I've always used these for component 1080i out of my SkyHD satellite box but the vp50 keeps resetting or something when using them. comp2 is fine, and using HDMI instead is fine (my TV can't take NR@50 over digital so this then involves a lot of hdcp stripper/vga->5BNC adapter malarkey, so it's not my favourite default choice) and if my box is just plain faulty I'd rather get a pristine one. Any suggestions before I report it as doa? Firmware reload worth a try? Is it even available for download?

Oh and one other thing - anyone getting dolby digital over HDMI to passthrough to optical ok? I just get PCM stereo out of optical when I do that (as far as my amp detects anyway) - maybe it's only getting stereo over HDMI from the Sky box but that seems odd too.

DD over HDMI into the VP50 and out over optical works fine for me with both my HDTiVos and a Sony 975 DVD player for me. The VP50 outputs over optical to a Denon 3806.

Choddo - since you've always been helpful, broke down and tried what you're doing. Bearing in mind, I'm on the other side of the pond, I am now watching the World Series via HD, using my LG4200a stb. I have the VGA output connected via RGBHV breakout, to the BNC inputs of the VP50. I set the 4200 to Dolby Digital output; am sending audio via toslink to VP50. I am getting a fine picture, via 1080i, and getting 5 channel audio passed thru the toslink, into the VP, and then to my Yammy pre.

Only problem, and you might want to mess with it, when I connected it, switched to RGB input, only got the green light on the DVDO - no audio, no video. (???) Switched input back to component, then back to RGB, it waited a bit, then gave me a nice purple and red pic. Had to switch color space to RGB, and reselect audio input, but now it is just fine.

Had the same problem with the VP30 - they seem hesitant to initially find the rgb input, but now it is just peachy.

I've solved your problem- on my rig - can anyone solve the one I found? While my VP50 is accepting 1080i just fine over rgb, I can NOT get it to accept 720p - all I get is the green light, no matter what I do. What's more, if I switch the STBs output res back to 1080i, I have to go to another active input, and then switch back before I can get a display via RGBHV.

The striping does not appear to be a problem with all VP50s. Just a few. My guess it is a timing error in some chip and may be dependent on specific user selected configurations. For 720p video in out, only very ocassionally visible. I could live with it. Not the case with 1080i.

he is under no obligation or even reasonable expectation to provide quick-time response to all posted complaints here

He has been on vacation in China for a couple of weeks. I am not sure if he is back yet.

Can some one tell me what 2 buttons to push on the front panel to get a good picture at startup instead of the strange pixelated red /green blocky image?
Never mind. I finally got it to work again after unplugging it a second time for a bit longer.

The striping does not appear to be a problem with all VP50s. Just a few. My guess it is a timing error in some chip and may be dependent on specific user selected configurations. For 720p video in out, only very ocassionally visible. I could live with it. Not the case with 1080i.

My VP50's pinstripes were equally visible at all input and output resolutions (and every other variation of configuration, source, and display that I could try)-- the only input-related difference that I noticed was that when the input signal was 720p or 1080i, the stripes were closer together than they were with 480i/p inputs (all else being equal). They were most visible on a blue background (and not at all on fields of one or two other solid colors, I forget which), but it got so that I was constantly noticing their more subtle appearance on all regular video (movies, TV shows, etc.) too.

Even though I was initially encouraged by some of the discussion last week, I ended up (as you might have guessed from my use of the past tense in the previous paragraph) sending my unit back to DVDO for analysis and repair or replacement. I look forward to hearing their analysis of my particular unit-- meanwhile I'm back to my VP30+ABT102 for now.

-- Peter

Got mine today. Generally pleased but has anyone else had a problem with the RGBHV inputs? I've always used these for component 1080i out of my SkyHD satellite box but the vp50 keeps resetting or something when using them. comp2 is fine, and using HDMI instead is fine (my TV can't take NR@50 over digital so this then involves a lot of hdcp stripper/vga->5BNC adapter malarkey, so it's not my favourite default choice) and if my box is just plain faulty I'd rather get a pristine one. Any suggestions before I report it as doa? Firmware reload worth a try? Is it even available for download?

Oh and one other thing - anyone getting dolby digital over HDMI to passthrough to optical ok? I just get PCM stereo out of optical when I do that (as far as my amp detects anyway) - maybe it's only getting stereo over HDMI from the Sky box but that seems odd too.

Firstly the SkyHD box only outputs stereo via HDMI, daft I know but you must use the Opti output to get DD (and check it is set to DD under the Sound menus on the SkyHD).

Flyingvee, what he's actually trying is outputting Component 1080i from the SkyHD box into the BNC Component/RGBHV input on the VP50.

In theory this should work, not tried it yet myself, however I think I've read others having issues with that input. Choddo best you can do is double check you're connecting the right plug to the right socket (I messed it up once on the VP30 as tried it in the rack without a torch ;) ). Then as Vee says switch to another Component input and back to see if it picks it up.

Thanks for your help guys, I'll have a longer look at that tonight then - yes ailean, I've always used optical for the Sky box and clearly, will have to continue doing so :)

I was also struggling for 10 minutes last night to get HDMI to work ... then realised I'd plugged them into the vp30 which was sat under the vp50! :)

Thanks for your help guys, I'll have a longer look at that tonight then - yes ailean, I've always used optical for the Sky box and clearly, will have to continue doing so :)

It is a bit mad, as far as I'm aware the hardware should be able to do DD via HDMI but it's more of a software thing. I suspect Sky figured most people would use the HDMI to their Display (with it's stereo speakers) and then if they had a surround setup they could use the Opti to that as per the SD Sky boxes. Makes sense for them but an option in the menu as per the Opti one would have been nice. :rolleyes:

I was also struggling for 10 minutes last night to get HDMI to work ... then realised I'd plugged them into the vp30 which was sat under the vp50! :)

Nice one! Although I can't understand how you could do that. :confused: They look completely different from the back! :D

So... something very odd going on here (follow up to my RGBHV input problem)

xbox360 @ 720p or 1080i through RGBHV (YUV signal) -> absolutely fine, played Lumines to test it out and then remembered I was supposed to be testing about 45 minutes later :)

SkyHD @ 1080i through HDMI - perfect
SkyHD @ 1080i through comp2 - perfect (if a tiny tad softer)
SkyHD @ 576i through comp1 - perfect
SkyHD @ 1080i through RGBHV (YUV signal) - >loses signal all the time, if I don't touch the remote it seems to be ok for ages, or if I only watch upscaled SD channels it also seems okish but if I start watching a HD channel it blinks off and back on a few seconds later, and if I go into the vp50 menu, it seems to get hiccups again.

Really odd but I think I'm just going to work round it - Luckily with PrEP coming I can (in theory) do everything through one HDMI connection.

Oh and I tried a hard reset.

Hi, my first post on this forum! I've thought of a really neat feature that the VP50 could implement. I currently run my inputs into the VP50, including sound, let the VP50 switch them and add audio delay and then the sound goes out to the AVR to decode and amplify. What I miss is the ability to see on screen the volume as well as the various sound settings that the AVR offers. I think it would be a nifty feature to be able to connect the AVR output (which is a blank screen with the OSD) to the VP50 and have the VP50 figure out what the OSD is, and overlay that on the picture output. I cant imagine that this is too difficult to do - sort of like the blue-screen special effects at the movies.

Hi, my first post on this forum! I've thought of a really neat feature that the VP50 could implement. I currently run my inputs into the VP50, including sound, let the VP50 switch them and add audio delay and then the sound goes out to the AVR to decode and amplify. What I miss is the ability to see on screen the volume as well as the various sound settings that the AVR offers. I think it would be a nifty feature to be able to connect the AVR output (which is a blank screen with the OSD) to the VP50 and have the VP50 figure out what the OSD is, and overlay that on the picture output. I cant imagine that this is too difficult to do - sort of like the blue-screen special effects at the movies.

I already have that feature.

1) I run HDMI to the AVR and let it switch the video and audio

2) Then I run HDMI to the VP50 to do VIDEO PROCESSING.

3) OSD from the AVR works great!

Just something I and a few others were unaware off and which came up in the VP30 thread:
Originally Posted by choddo2006
You can use component into the RGBHV sockets without H&V, so sync on green probably, I've been doing this for a while.
But only for 480p/576p/720p/1080i (and some other PC resultions, but no 480i or 576i)
Originally Posted by escon
Hm.... very interesting.. sorry post of zero value I know. Must add that info into my "personalised" manual. Maybe Josh of DVDO could add this and other user discovered features/capabilities into a future manual and/or update the on-line pdf manual.
Originally Posted by Josh@dvdo
Phil - this feature is described on Page 6 of the VP30 manual. Am I missing something?
Hello Josh and welcome back!. I don't have my VP30 manual any more, but I'll now have a look at my VP50 manual - I did have a quick scan read of it all some weeks ago - now for the fine detail.

Edit: This is getting interesting. On page 15 of the VP50 manual, the RGBHV input isn't even listed as a selectable input. On the connection daiagram on page 14, the RGBHV connection is shown as ONLY a 5 way connection scheme, i.e the ability to use it as a Component input, using just RG and B inputs (i.e. without connecting the H and V inputs) is not shown.

But, reading further, you are right, on page 8 of the manual it does list the modes the RGBHV input can be used for.... RGBHV/Component. Completely missed that.

choddo - since I can call tech support, and you can't (and because I too was curious) - I called today. First - (this from dvdo) - all the resolutions on the dvdo website, listed for rgbhv/component, are only promised/implemented for component inputs, to the bncs. Computer - true rgb - should only work at the computer resolutions listed - vga, xga, and svga.

According to DVDO tech, I should NOT be getting 1080i to work via rgbhv. But it does, so that's cool. That input will also NOT/NEVER accept 480i, as posted here before. So while I was connected to my LG, and it was outputting NATIVE, I got a display on the 1080i channels, but nothing for SD or those that broadcast in 720p. So the BNCs won't work for what I want. Likewise, I can't connect my PS2, since it is only 480i.

But from what I was told, it should be working with component inputs, as you are connecting it. All I can say is, good luck.

According to DVDO tech, I should NOT be getting 1080i to work via rgbhv. .

You are LUCKY - because I could not get it to work on either my VP30 or VP50. So I threw out the 1080i RGBHV source.

Well, it seems my luck is going the wrong way too - with my VP30, 720p also worked via RGBHV. Now I'm down to 1080i. By the VP70, I'll consider myself lucky if I can even get a picture from my dvd player. :)

I already have that feature.

1) I run HDMI to the AVR and let it switch the video and audio

2) Then I run HDMI to the VP50 to do VIDEO PROCESSING.

3) OSD from the AVR works great!

I considered doing the same, but then I lose the ability to customise the VP50 for each input and the lip sych problem still exists. I also wanted to have a clean a signal path as I could get (especially for the component signals) and avoid the double handling. But yes, it is a workaround that works, but not a perfect solution.

I considered doing the same, but then I lose the ability to customise the VP50 for each input and the lip sych problem still exists. I also wanted to have a clean a signal path as I could get (especially for the component signals) and avoid the double handling. But yes, it is a workaround that works, but not a perfect solution.

You don't loose the ability to customise the VP50. Even if they all come in on the same input - you can select a different user profile to correspond with each AVR selected input.

ANY AVR with HDMI switching has Lip Sync. I have yet to find any situation where I even need it but if I do the AVR can do it.

If all the signals are HDMI - they stay in the digital domain and never get effected - I already verified this doing parallel inputs to the VP50 and AVR to the VP50.

I don't call this a workaround - I call it GOOD because I NEVER EVER have any VP audio dropouts.

You don't loose the ability to customise the VP50. Even if they all come in on the same input - you can select a different user profile to correspond with each AVR selected input.

ANY AVR with HDMI switching has Lip Sync. I have yet to find any situation where I even need it but if I do the AVR can do it.

If all the signals are HDMI - they stay in the digital domain and never get effected - I already verified this doing parallel inputs to the VP50 and AVR to the VP50.

I don't call this a workaround - I call it GOOD because I NEVER EVER have any VP audio dropouts.

In order for the AVR to give you OSD it must be doing some kind of video processing, right? And I would prefer the VP50 to do all my processing.

Unfortunately I can't get all my inputs to HDMI. The proprietrary pay-TV STB only supports component, and my VCR (shock, horror - I do use one) is either RF or composite!

I'm crossing my fingers beacuse so far no drop outs or strange lines ....

In order for the AVR to give you OSD it must be doing some kind of video processing, right? And I would prefer the VP50 to do all my processing.

Unfortunately I can't get all my inputs to HDMI. The proprietrary pay-TV STB only supports component, and my VCR (shock, horror - I do use one) is either RF or composite!

I'm crossing my fingers beacuse so far no drop outs or strange lines ....

The AVR in MY CASE does ZERO Video Processing. When the OSD comes
on - it just SWITCHES to a blank Screen to display the menu. It would
indeed take video processing to overlay the OSD on the content screen.
Most AVRs do not have that kind of sophistication.

I agree if you don't have HDMI digital inputs - that does create a interface
problem. I just threw out all my sources which were not HDMI. I want the
best PQ I can get so I updated everyhing that was not 100% Digital. Now
the WORLD is all in HD [GRIN]!

The two potential problem areas I see with this setup (source-avr-vp50-pj) are:

1. Many (my) cable STB will see the AVR as an HDMI repeater and not allow the HDCP signal to pass through.

2. Despite being "all digital", HDMI connections are known to have handshake issues and this simply adds another required handshake, which may or may not be handled successfully. For those for whom this setup works, it sounds good. For those with either problem, it won't work all the time or at all in some instances.

The two potential problem areas I see with this setup (source-avr-vp50-pj) are:

1. Many (my) cable STB will see the AVR as an HDMI repeater and not allow the HDCP signal to pass through.

2. Despite being "all digital", HDMI connections are known to have handshake issues and this simply adds another required handshake, which may or may not be handled successfully. For those for whom this setup works, it sounds good. For those with either problem, it won't work all the time or at all in some instances.

Anything IS POSSIBLE - we are ALL aware HDMI handshake problems are numerous.

All I can report is - in my case - I have NO Handshake issues with this combination.

REMEMBER - This combination IS SUPPOSE to WORK - but there are no guarantees when it comes to HDMI.

Anything IS POSSIBLE - we are ALL aware HDMI handshake problems are numerous.

All I can report is - in my case - I have NO Handshake issues with this combination.

REMEMBER - This combination IS SUPPOSE to WORK - but there are no guarantees when it comes to HDMI.

Whoa, sorry to have (apparently) upset you. It wasn't my intent. I was merely pointing out what has happened to me (and others I know). The biggest problem is not even the HDMI handshake, though that does affect some, if not you. To me, the killer issue was the the STB wouldn't go thru the AVR because it sees it as an HDMI repeater attempt. That precludes the simplicity of the wiring suggested since the STB would have to be routed separately.

Whoa, sorry to have (apparently) upset you. It wasn't my intent. I was merely pointing out what has happened to me (and others I know). The biggest problem is not even the HDMI handshake, though that does affect some, if not you. To me, the killer issue was the the STB wouldn't go thru the AVR because it sees it as an HDMI repeater attempt. That precludes the simplicity of the wiring suggested since the STB would have to be routed separately.

No, No, No - you did nothing to upset me. :)

I was just making two statements - (1) it is suppose to work and (2) in my case it does.

I fully recognize there is a TON of HDMI problems and incompatibilities out there to drive us all nuts.

The AVR in MY CASE does ZERO Video Processing. When the OSD comes
on - it just SWITCHES to a blank Screen to display the menu. It would
indeed take video processing to overlay the OSD on the content screen.
Most AVRs do not have that kind of sophistication.

I agree if you don't have HDMI digital inputs - that does create a interface
problem. I just threw out all my sources which were not HDMI. I want the
best PQ I can get so I updated everyhing that was not 100% Digital. Now
the WORLD is all in HD [GRIN]!

Yes, I cant wait to do the same too!

My Yamaha RXV1600 overlays the OSD on the video stream, as did my previous Onkyo, so I thought that was a fairly normal feature, but I must be mistaken. What is your AVR?

Yes, I cant wait to do the same too!

My Yamaha RXV1600 overlays the OSD on the video stream, as did my previous Onkyo, so I thought that was a fairly normal feature, but I must be mistaken. What is your AVR?

Any of my PREVIOUS AVR's Did Overlay the OSD. But then they were all dealing with 100% analog video at 480i and they could easily create an on-screen analog overlay. Most new AVRs with HDMI do not do enough video processing in the digital domain to overlay OSD in the HD format.

My current AVR is Denon - while I WAIT for the Next Generation of Lexicon to get built-in codecs for HD DVD's. I'm a 100% Lexicon Customer. But their current MC-12B-HD is just an interim product and much too expensive for me AS AN interim product.

After reading all the negative comments about the vp50 as it is at this moment,I personaly think it best to wait for firmware upgrade before buying,it just sounds like a load of trouble at the moment,and the lack of support on the forum from the dvdo team makes me wonder how long before we see a solution to the problems.

One thing I'd like to add at this point since we do a lot of bitching & moaning in these threads...

I'm really liking the picture now. Watching the "Fresh Water" Planet Earth episode I'd recorded, particularly the bit that has a load of coral reef fish, and a couple of HD movies tonight, the picture is just lovely.

Shame about my RGBHV input :)

After reading all the negative comments about the vp50 as it is at this moment,I personaly think it best to wait for firmware upgrade before buying,it just sounds like a load of trouble at the moment,and the lack of support on the forum from the dvdo team makes me wonder how long before we see a solution to the problems.

I agree with choddo2006 - the post before this one.

I upgraded from the VP30 to the VP50 because I NEEDED 1080p.

I'm very very very happy with the Video PQ.

Someday - I will be even happier when DVDO releases their first update.
If you need a Video Processor today - then I would recommend the VP50.
If you do not need one - wait until later.

Hi, my first post on this forum! I've thought of a really neat feature that the VP50 could implement. I currently run my inputs into the VP50, including sound, let the VP50 switch them and add audio delay and then the sound goes out to the AVR to decode and amplify. What I miss is the ability to see on screen the volume as well as the various sound settings that the AVR offers. I think it would be a nifty feature to be able to connect the AVR output (which is a blank screen with the OSD) to the VP50 and have the VP50 figure out what the OSD is, and overlay that on the picture output. I cant imagine that this is too difficult to do - sort of like the blue-screen special effects at the movies.

This is a very interesting feature request. The hardware in the VP50 does not allow this feature to be added. For this to work (with any video processor), AV receivers would need to have a standardized interface which only carries this data so that it could be overlayed on the active video signal.

I agree with choddo2006 - the post before this one.

I upgraded from the VP30 to the VP50 because I NEEDED 1080p.

I'm very very very happy with the Video PQ.

Someday - I will be even happier when DVDO releases their first update.
If you need a Video Processor today - then I would recommend the VP50.
If you do not need one - wait until later.

Ditto that sentiment. 480i/720p/ and more importantly 1080i converted to 1080p at 48 or 60Hz is just awesome. Fantastic picture. No audio dropouts yet for me. One "oh my god" serious error that has not returned after a reset. One video glitch fixed with a prompt box switch from DVDO and prompt customer service for me. All in all for what I paid and for my needs I'm very happy with the VP50.

there are displays that allow overlay features, I don't think a processor should need to do that.

what I am missing is a downscaled composite output that can be used to power a small LCD and does simultaneous downscale to whatever sources are being shown (that would make review snapshots a lot easier to take too...).

This is a very interesting feature request. The hardware in the VP50 does not allow this feature to be added. For this to work (with any video processor), AV receivers would need to have a standardized interface which only carries this data so that it could be overlayed on the active video signal.

Hi Josh. If the AVR has no input, then the OSD is displayed on a blank screen. If all the background is (say) blue and the text is (say) grey then it should be easy to detect the grey OSD information and overlay it on the output.

there are displays that allow overlay features, I don't think a processor should need to do that.

what I am missing is a downscaled composite output that can be used to power a small LCD and does simultaneous downscale to whatever sources are being shown (that would make review snapshots a lot easier to take too...).

Wow im all for this one *grin* but a second downscaled hdmi/dvi out at 640x480 is fine too.

Daniel.

This is a very interesting feature request. The hardware in the VP50 does not allow this feature to be added. For this to work (with any video processor), AV receivers would need to have a standardized interface which only carries this data so that it could be overlayed on the active video signal.

I think Shawn Fogg's work with the Lumagen and his serial box solves the overlay problem much better:

http://www.switch-box.com/iweb/Movie.html

The Lumagen allows you to print messages on-screen through its serial port. Shawn's box gathers status information over the serial port of the processor (a Lexicon MC-12 in this case), and tells the Lumagen what to show.

--Andre

edit: This second movie shows you more explicitly what's going on:

http://www.switch-box.com/iweb/Movie%202.html

Wouldn't a FPGA route error result in a slight timing error? Of course a slight timing error could result from a variety of other reasons. A pathway error from certain configurations as the root (pardon the intentional pun) cause is a good hypothesis considering that the error only occurs for some users.


I just saw this since I haven't read this thread in a couple of weeks. FPGA timing errors can be due to a number of things. A very common one is that the logic routed for it exceeds the timing margins that the chip can guarantee: some signal may not make it to another part of the chip in time, for example. FPGAs are like other silicon processors: some can actually run faster than rated. This is why people can overclock their Pentiums and Athlons, but it's not guaranteed by the factory. Intel and AMD can only assure you that their chip will run no slower than some clock speed, but they don't put a cap on how fast their processors will actually run. In fact, they do test their processors for how fast they can run, and those that can reliably run faster, are sold as the higher-clock-speed parts. That is, the difference between a 2.1 GHz and 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo may be that one can actually be clocked at 2.2 GHz and still pass Intel's validations --- they both could have come from the same production run.

In FPGA programming, you have to specify timing constraints for signals: this signal needs to be this fast, and so on. If an engineer were a bit too optimistic, the timing constraints may have been set too fast, but still worked, because maybe the FPGAs they had in the lab were those that could run faster. However, once the firmware gets out into the field, you will start to see intermittent failures: some FPGAs will work just fine, while others will fail, because of the variance in manufacturing of these parts. Some will work fine in cooler temperatures, and fail in hotter weather, etc.

As I said, this isn't uncommon. Lumagen early on in the HDP release had something similar. I've run into similar things in my day job dealing with FPGAs. They just have to debug it now, and hopefully get a fix out for everyone.

--Andre

Fogive me if my title is off a bit there, but I just ordered my VP50, and its on its way.
I hope that I wont be dissappointed with its preformace on my rather unique setup.

I have as a source the DirecTV HR-10-250 HD Tivo. I have never used the HDMI port on it at home (I did hook it up at a friends house to his hdmi 1080p tvset, and his AVR thru hdmi, and luckliy, everything worked pefect, 5.1 audio, 480p 720p and 1080i all came thru hdmi just fine. (I dont think this unit supports 480i via hdmi).

I plan to prucahse the SDI input card, and a mod'ed DVD player soon.

My display is what is unique. It took me 2 years of work at about $4000 bucks trying to find hard to find parts, and hard to find expert help, but I did it!!

I have a fully restored, fully factory authorized caliabrated to D6500 JVC/Hughes 360 projector, upgraded with high speed/cimema grade analog ILA light valves, and a NEW bulb, and NEW CRTS.

The results are about 6800 (6000 ansi) lumens at ture 1920 x 1080i.

If you dont know about this projector, its a 15 year old BEAST, running 240 volts, 30 AMPS, 380 pounds, and was used for professional applcaitons. This unit sold new for over $150,000 and with the upgraded valves proabaly added another $80,000.

This is a CRT projector, but the CRTS shoot their analog output onto a pixel-free LCD crystal, that are also analog based, and extreemly bright R G B lights are reflected off each crystal. (at full power the blue beam is enough to trun bread into toast!) This system is desigen for 60 FOOT screens.

Posisitves - CRT full res projector video, fully 1080p and beyond capable with the added bonus of beeing xenon bulb driven for extreem high brightness applcations.

Negatives - BIG, HOT, Power sucking, and E X T R E A M L Y dificult to setup and calibrate. (70 to 80 hours easy, and this calibration drifts over time). Also very expensive technology in its day. (Thank god for ebay!).

This projector accepts NTSC/PAL over its composite video and Svideo ports. Since these wont do HDTV the only way to get high res is to feed it RGBHV. There is zero scaleling done in the system. If you feed it 640x480 @60hz, you will see every scan line.

Native res - not sure? Remeber there are no pixels in the system.
Max res - not sure, but its capable of between 15khz to 125khz horizontal scanning frequence. Vertical as low as 50hz. Im not sure what that translates into in terms of X x Y res? I have been told that 1080p is easy for the system to handle.

Currenly, Im feeding a tiny "Lumagen Vison DVI" Y Pb Pr at 1080i and its transcodeing that into R G B H V. This unit is too tiny to do any real processing of 1080i singals. It just pass's thru 1080i. 480i 480p and 720p get processed to 1080i and the reuslts are good.

Reasons for going VP50:

I want to output 1080p at the highest referesh rate my unit can take---it may take higher then the VP50 will output (wouldnt suprize me).

I want to get off of the Y Pb Pr singal lines and go SDI for dvd, and HDMI for HDTivo.

I also have a JVC 30000 DVHS deck, since its Y Pb Pr only, I might look into get a HD SDI mod done to it, but for now, VP50 dont support HDSDI--I will probabaly stick with Y Pb Pr for the srouce. Because I extract HD tivo videos, I feed them back into my JVC desk via Firewire for viewing, I do this alot.

The Lumagen dose let me have full control over "Color" and "Tint" on its R G B H V output. I have tuned both those using Digital Video Essentials DVD with the blue filter.

Im runing this in my home (ya, Im crazzy) on an 8 foot wide screen. Its a native 4:3 projector, but using the analog controls for picture size I just squished the tall-stretched picturs (telling my source its 16:9 ws) into its proper size with no loss of res (no pixels, no waist). A spiffy side effect of this, less CRT screen area is used, resulting in a boost in brightness. (I realize this will proabaly cause a boost in screen burn too....but since these crt dont acutally project to the screen, they run dim anyway, thus their life is exteded ALOT.

I adjusted the bulb power level down to about 1/2 to 1/3rd its full power rating, gving me about 4000 lumens and a bulb life estimated at 3000 hours. This puts a much less of a load on the power suply (a $7000 part---if you can find one!)

3000 watt xenon bulbs are big big bucks. (jvc charnged $15,000 for 1000 hours).

Wanna see screen shots of it in its current setup? (1920 x 1080i Y Pb Pr into RGBHB)

http://bbs.flagnet/org

The first link is usefull for pictures of the unit/parts. Screen shots here are horrid.
The last link is usefull for screen shots after its been fully calibrated to D6500.

If your thinking about getting one of these beasts($500 on ebay), please talk to me first, its WAY harder then you think to get it done right.

(There are 9 places that R G B white ballenes needs to be setup, and they all effect each other, and thats not even the hard part, dont get my started on "shading the ila valves" procedure.....oh god, I may need to seek mental help!)

Sorry if I got a bit off topic...

HDMI
SDI
1080p over RGBHV

This is what I want my VP50 to do for me.

Someday I may want to do HDDVD or BluRay, but as I understand it, the RGBHV will shutdown on these soruces right? Is there a work arround for that?

ctreesh, why don't you try a 15' wide screen with that many lumens?

I may want to take a look once you get it all set up, I'm only 3 hrs away.

ed

Reasons for going VP50:?

Did you talk to anyone at DVDO before you ordered?

Old EXPENSIVE technology gets replaced by new inexpensive technology.

That is why we have Obsolescence?

Im pretty sure it will work, as my current scaler works just fine, but can't push it to the 1080p.

The reason I invested in this old technology is because it would seem to me (at least for now) that you can get any projector do to true 1920x1080i (much less p) at more then 700 or so lumens unless your willing to spend over $24,000.

I did fine the max res specs: QXGA. 2048x1536. 4:3 (dont matter)

Again, kinda off topic, but has anyone successfully done SDI on a HDTivo? If so then I will wait for the Vp50's HDsdi card.

Carey

edit- corrected res, I had my x and y backwards!

Im pretty sure it will work, as my current scaler works just fine, but can't push it to the 1080p.

The reason I invested in this old technology is because it would seem to me (at least for now) that you can get any projector do to true 1920x1080i (much less p) at more then 700 or so lumens unless your willing to spend over $24,000.

I did fine the max res specs: QXGA. 1536x2048.

Again, kinda off topic, but has anyone successfully done SDI on a HDTivo? If so then I will wait for the Vp50's HDsdi card.

Carey

I still think you SHOULD HAVE TALKKED to DVDO before BUYING!
You didn't pay $500 for the VP50.

I have had multiple projectors [CRT] running PERFECT 1080i since 1996.
I have two of them sitting on the floor now - I consider them JUNK.
I have a 1080p Display now that makes the PQ LOOK LIKE JUNK.

You don't need all those lumens unless you are OUTDOORS with the screen.

As luck would have it, the VP50 just showed up at my doorstep.
Im gonna have fun this weekend geting it going. For now, I will do a cable for cable replacement of the lumagen. (feed it analog Y Pb Pr) and take from it R G B H V, and probabaly only runing it first in 1080i output mode.

(going 1080p to my big projector is gonna force me into doing a re-convergence, and color balence and maybe shading---about 80 hours of work!).

I will report back the results of both 1080i and 1080p once I get it done. Wish me luck.

Once that part is done, then I will jump into the hdmi and sdi stuff next.

Carey

Ctreesh - I'd say my Blended CRT system can be pushed much further than yours.. but the VP50 does a great job at scaling/deinterlacing.. however it is limited to 1080p60... to go further I use my DVX to take that signal as high as 1200p60 or 1024p72, but they still arent being pushed.

CRT is old technology, but anyone is welcome to take a flight downunder and if they aren't impressed, I'll pay for their flight! Oh... and mine is on a 13ft wide 2.40 screen (169" diagonal)

btw, your link didnt work for me

btw, your link didnt work for me

Try this: http://bbs.flagnet.org/

Just had my first audio and video dropout last night. Bugger as since having the VP50 for about a month now, I hadn't noticed any up to now.

But, so far they only occur when I'm playing back out of a PVR from either a recording or in time slip mode - not when I'm in Live mode. Input is via RGBs on component 1. This leads me to think that both types of dropouts occur when the data stream has some bits missing or corrupted - no major discovery here really. What makes it interesting is that I can play the same scene over and over again, and sometimes I get the drop outs to repeat, but at other times not, suggesting that the PVR data stream is not always identical.

That doesn't really surprise me in a way, as PVRs typically don't bother with full error correction. On the other hand, if that's not the case, then the VP50 must be "reacting" somewhat randomly to certain bit patters that it considers dubious and effectively mutes (audio and video - blank screen for a bout a second on video - a bout half a second dropout/muting on audio). I've never had both audio and video blank out simultaneously by the way.

So, back to the drawing board in a way. :( . Better than the VP30 in that it no longer locks up on me, but still lumbered with the dropouts. No stripes, so I can at least be thankfull for that. Looks like the new PCB design has led to new video timing problems that didn't exist in the VP30 PCBs and that we have audio and video dropouts carried over from the VP30 firmware. Bummer.

Once, a long long time ago, I drank so much, my audio and video blanked out simultaneously.

ctreesh, that sounds like a crazy projector.

Seriously, 7.2 kW??! That cannot be right! It must cost you more to watch a 2 hour movie than the theatre ticket, parking and a Big Kahoona Burger.

Sounds like you've got a lot of trees to plant to get carbon neutral.

Once, a long long time ago, I drank so much, my audio and video blanked out simultaneously.

Once [GRIN]??????

I do it every Friday Night - I'm ready to blank out now [GRIN]!

Just finished watching MI-3 on HD DVD!

Josh, is there going to be an upgrade soon so that resolutions (like 1080P and 768P) will "pass" (no processing whatsoever)? I really need to know this so that I can purchase the correct switcher, and possibly save some $$$$ when I do.

Thanks,

Jim

It states in the service manual that max current is 30 amps, and max power draw is 5550 watts. But this is if you push the bulb to full power. I dont run it anywhere near full with only an 8 foot screen. I'd run a bigger screen if I could, but the unit comes only with fixed leses, and I can do 8 foot or 20 foot with leses sets I have on hand. Im looking for a 2:1 set, Im currenly running 1.5:1.

20 foot is way too big for my room.

Id love to do about 12-15 foot.

I just got back home from dinner, my web server is PEGGED, so I guess alot of you are looking. Thats fine.

Sorry about the address typo.

Thanks for the posted correction.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

I will be installing the VP50 in full analog 1080i mode Saturday.

Carey

I recently hooked up the VP50 and while it seemed to be working properly, I am now having a problem with audio on HD channels; there is none. Audio works on the standard def channels. The Info button on the VP50 says the audio source is “HDMI 1, Unknown” while viewing an HD channel. The input is an HR20 receiver via HDMI and output to a samsung ln-s5797d.

Any ideas on how to fix this? I’ve already reset the unit twice…also, anyone else with the same display figure out how to turn off all the internal processing on it?

DVDO was quick giving me my credit for my VP30 trade in. They received it Wednesday and Friday morning my card showed a credit already.

DVDO was quick giving me my credit for my VP30 trade in. They received it Wednesday and Friday morning my card showed a credit already.
Hmmm . . . well I'm big fan of DVDO's service but my experience was not quite as good. They got my VP30 on a Thursday and it took until the following Wednesday (and some e-mail from me) before the credit appeared.

Definitely not a slam as the response time it took was still very acceptable. Just that "your mileage may vary" with this.

- Gerry

What do they do with the old units that are traded in?

I recently hooked up the VP50 and while it seemed to be working properly, I am now having a problem with audio on HD channels; there is none. Audio works on the standard def channels. The Info button on the VP50 says the audio source is “HDMI 1, Unknown” while viewing an HD channel. The input is an HR20 receiver via HDMI and output to a samsung ln-s5797d.

Any ideas on how to fix this? I’ve already reset the unit twice…also, anyone else with the same display figure out how to turn off all the internal processing on it?

I ran into the same issue where I had no audio, and the VP 50 info screen showed “HDMI 1, Unknown.” I have a different setup than yours, and I had the problem with both SD and HD programming from a Dish ViP211. My first solution to the problem was to 1st turn on the source, 2nd turn on the display (pausing a few seconds while they made their connection), 3rd turn on the audio receiver (again pausing a few seconds) and finally turning on the VP50. Using that sequence, I received audio from both SD and HD sources. Once I had audio, I discovered audio dropouts which led to a second solution which I won’t discuss here because hopefully you will not encounter dropouts with your setup.

It's a long shot, but make sure you have the audio out of the H20 set up correctly. When you say you are not getting any sound are you talking about on the TV or through your audio system. In my set up if I set the output to DD I get no sound thru my TV speakers on HD sources with DD tracks. I have to set the H10 to PCM if I want to listen thru the tV speakers.

Problem solved - seems I didn't have DD turned on on the HR20; that solved the problem. Lame problem on my part...

Im happy to report that the VP50 is working very very well with my JVC360. Both 1080i/60 and 1080p/60 function well over RGBHV. I had to make sure I picekd the RGB colorspace.

Sadly, as expected, my color balence on 1080p, and my phase settings are completey off. I will be working today to fix it.

Like I said before, one of the biggest drawbacks of this old technology is that setup and calibartion is very complex and tedious.

1080i in by Y Pb Pr and out via R G B H V on the VP50 looked stunning. I didnt expect much differecne from what I had, since I was feeding native rate 1080i in anways, check this out...

I was watching FOX, a 720p program. I had my Tivo to set to output 1080i, and this almsot always results in a few jaggies. This passed rigth thru my lumagen since it wont process any 1080i signals.

I feed jaggies 1080i poorly upconverted 720p into the vp50 and output a jaggy free 1080i!

Very nice DVDO!!

If I feed in native 720p from the tivo it will proabaly be even better 1080i out.

Once I finish up configuing the projectors settings (phase, and color balence) I will probaby just run everythihng out in 1080p.

Carey

What do they do with the old units that are traded in?
Re-sell as reconditioned units or B-stock?

Just some further observations on the the striping the VP50 causes on my three gun CRT display.

It is independent of whether or not the unit is deinterlacing. Deinterlacing, deinterlacing and scaling, or just scaling, it's there. It is always there. when I look into the tubes, the red and green tubes have the vertical striping.. I can not see it on the green tube.

As far as seeing it on the screen, it is visible when the picture is blue, or dark, or sometimes when very white. Its also there on football field green visible as faint yellow stripes.. It is getting VERY annoying and I don't annoy easily.

I really enjoy how the unit deinterlaces both film and video. Only a few artifacts from time to time. Very clean. Remember the only real thing that makes much of a difference re processors is deinterlacing and scaling. Of course, that's assumig the processor has no NR.

It's scaling is OK, but to me not excellent. The Lumagens are cleaner scalers.

Of course having Mosquito noise and other noise reduction would be nice. But I can solve that but daisy chaining my Mosquito in.

It would be very nice for Josh to give us an update on the striping fix and the audio drop out fix. Personally I do not send audio through the VP50 but I do suffer audio drop outs when watching HD over the air using my Direct TV HD DVR. Very annoying also. I wonder whose fault that is? My audio processor? I dunno. Wish I could blame Josh. :)

I've got my vp50 working great and want to add a PC to it next.
After a lot of messing around, I finally(!) got an image out of the vp50.

I'm using a Sapphire 100114 (Radeon 9250) with DVI ouput, converted to HDMI, into HDMI-4 of the vp50.

While I finally have an image, I have no idea

1) what the best resolution and refresh settings for my video card would be or
2) how to eliminate the very serious overscan i'm seeing.

I tried searching this thread but couldn't find anything, though I've been reading the thread since the beginning and thought I'd seen posts in this vein.

Thanks

Personally I do not send audio through the VP50 but I do suffer audio drop outs when watching HD over the air using my Direct TV HD DVR. Very annoying also. I wonder whose fault that is? My audio processor? I dunno. Wish I could blame Josh. :)

Do you have the HR10-250, and are you on the 6.3a update?

I didn't used to have problems, but after the update I'm getting OTA audio dropouts somewhat frequently, and its well documented on the tivocommunity site that others are as well. So at least that one we get to blame on DirecTV/Hughes.

eric

I have two of the HR10-250. I have ordered two of the new ones but they are on back order. I want them because unlike the 250 they have a default to NR out put.

Native Resolution is one thing I wish the HR10-250 had now. Since I've had the VP50 I've been changing my HDTiVos manually between 720P and 1080i. The VP50 does a much better job with 720>1080i than the VP30 did. With the VP30 I left the HDTiVos on 1080i. And now for the first time I've watched a few SD programs with my HDTiVos. I just set the HR10-250's for 480i. I've never done that since I got them in May2004. I don't know why I never did that with the VP30. They definitely look better than with Svideo from the SDTiVos.

I do the same. For example, this afternoon watched two NFL games. One in NR 1080i and the other 720p. When you use the toggle control on the DVR remote, when you switch between two stations, the box remembers the NR you set. So I toggle. Everything comes out of the VP50 1080p @ 59.94. Unfortunately everything has stripes. Ditto for movies in @ 480i over SDI. Stripes.

I have two of the HR10-250. I have ordered two of the new ones but they are on back order. I want them because unlike the 250 they have a default to NR out put.

Complete agreement. Now that I've played with my VP-50, HT10-250 and 70" XBR2, there is no question that the VP-50 does the best job of scaling/deinterlacing of the trio.

eric

I've got my vp50 working great and want to add a PC to it next.
After a lot of messing around, I finally(!) got an image out of the vp50.

I'm using a Sapphire 100114 (Radeon 9250) with DVI ouput, converted to HDMI, into HDMI-4 of the vp50.

While I finally have an image, I have no idea

1) what the best resolution and refresh settings for my video card would be or
2) how to eliminate the very serious overscan i'm seeing.

I tried searching this thread but couldn't find anything, though I've been reading the thread since the beginning and thought I'd seen posts in this vein.

Thanks

Do you see any overscan with the VP50 test patterns?

Have you got native 1:1 resolution on your display?

What mode is the PC set to?

If you connect the PC direct to the displays DVI/HDMI input how well does it work?

Typically for a PC you want to be outputting at the native res of your display, probably at 60Hz but it depends what you want to do, if it's desktop apps/games then this should do it however for playing movies you probably want to set it to the native res of the file you are playing (difficult for SD but for 720p and 1080i you might be able to do it with the latest drivers).

If you can't get native display 1:1 resolution from either the VP50 or PC then try the underscan option on the VP50 output settings.

The upcoming pass-thru and prep features should give some aide to PC connection.

Wouldn't you be better off using VGA into the RGBHV inputs? The HDMI inputs only accept limited resolutions iirc which may be what is causing the overscan problem?

I've got my vp50 working great and want to add a PC to it next.
After a lot of messing around, I finally(!) got an image out of the vp50.

I'm using a Sapphire 100114 (Radeon 9250) with DVI ouput, converted to HDMI, into HDMI-4 of the vp50.

While I finally have an image, I have no idea

1) what the best resolution and refresh settings for my video card would be or
2) how to eliminate the very serious overscan i'm seeing.

I tried searching this thread but couldn't find anything, though I've been reading the thread since the beginning and thought I'd seen posts in this vein.

Thanks
I have a HTPC set up with 2 1080 output settings. One is 24Hz for use with film based DVD's and the other is 60Hz for use with video. The VP50 takes 24Hz and converts to 48Hz and 60Hz is pass-through. I don't have overscan so not sure what is best for that.

Mark Haflich,

Do you see this on RGBHV output only? At what resolution?

I have used only the RGBHV output. Mostly at 1080p @ 59.94 out but also at 720p. Stripes.

I'd like to know if you can get two channel audio out of the VP-50. I have a 2 channel setup for stereo and TV audio and I'd like to run 3-4 hdmi sources to the VP-50 and get two channel audio out to my preamp (save some wiring mess) and I do not see the L & R audio out from the back of the panel. Is there a way to do this?

Thanks for any help.

This question may be too silly to answer but a lead in any direction would be appreciated.

I'd like to know if you can get two channel audio out of the VP-50. I have a 2 channel setup for stereo and TV audio and I'd like to run 3-4 hdmi sources to the VP-50 and get two channel audio out to my preamp (save some wiring mess) and I do not see the L & R audio out from the back of the panel. Is there a way to do this?
VPxx (and HDxx) only have coax and/or toslink digital output. So you have to convert digital tot analog by other means. I use an "el-cheapo" solution: an old Sony minidisk recorder, they can convert toslink to analog out (with the provided cable). You can also opt for more expensive DA convertors.

OK. This is my first post, so be gentle.....

Just installed the VP50. It is my first VP. Bought primarly as a video switcher for HD, but improved processing a bonus. Very happy so far.

Equip list:

Mitsubishi HD1080 rear projection 1080i . RGBHV input
HD20-700 DirecTV HD-DVR and SD Sony DVD inputs into VP50. RGBHV out to Mits
HD-DVR set to Native

Two questions:

1) Was watching Bay Area Backroads - Alaskan Adventure yesterday. Show does a lot of scenes where they start close in and then widen the shot while panning left or right. Looked terrible! Objects in the scene stuttered and jumped. Very noticable. Did not notice the resolution of the input from the DVR. Is it possible that I have a setting wrong? Any advice? Have not seen this artifact on anything else, but it's early yet

2) On my monitor, the HD picture has always spilled over the edge (overscan?) and cuts off football scores at the top and logo at the bottom. I had hoped that the VP50 would help me fix this, but when adjusting the resolution using the first test pattern, the Mits appears to be ignoring the changes and I can never get the outer white lines to show up. Any advice?

Many thanks!
Rick

re: #2. You can use the 'underscan' feature to fix that.

I love the underscan feature.

re: #2. You can use the 'underscan' feature to fix that.

Great! That worked. Now the first test pattern looks perfect with 1 pixel of white on all sides. Unfortunately, the banner from the HR20-700 is partially off-screen.

Tried to find an adjustment on the DVR to shift it, but no go.

Seems odd that the VP50 test pattern (and the actual program) are perfectly aligned, yet the DVR banners are off

Any more magic?

Rick

VPxx (and HDxx) only have coax and/or toslink digital output. So you have to convert digital tot analog by other means. I use an "el-cheapo" solution: an old Sony minidisk recorder, they can convert toslink to analog out (with the provided cable). You can also opt for more expensive DA convertors.

Thanks.

On my CRT front projector, I use horizontal and vertical size to fit the picture and then adjust phase (H and V) to center and then adjust the sizes once again. Doesn't the VP50 have the equivalent of a horizontal and vertical shift?

Great! That worked. Now the first test pattern looks perfect with 1 pixel of white on all sides. Unfortunately, the banner from the HR20-700 is partially off-screen.

Rick

Rick,
just curious, is your HR20-700 connected to the VP50 with HDMI or component?

welcome to the thread,
thx, Tom

Rick,
just curious, is your HR20-700 connected to the VP50 with HDMI or component?

welcome to the thread,
thx, Tom

Thanks, Tom

I have the HR20-700 connected directly to the VP50 by way of Component. I tried the HDMI connection and it just flops around (with HDCP off) or curtains off (with HDCP on). That will be another post someday....

Rick

Thanks, Tom

I have the HR20-700 connected directly to the VP50 by way of Component. I tried the HDMI connection and it just flops around (with HDCP off) or curtains off (with HDCP on). That will be another post someday....

Rick


Sorry to hear that.

The HR10-250 works perfect over HDMI with HDCP turned off!

Re-sell as reconditioned units or B-stock?

So there should be some cheap VP30's around soon?

Thanks, Tom

I have the HR20-700 connected directly to the VP50 by way of Component. I tried the HDMI connection and it just flops around (with HDCP off) or curtains off (with HDCP on). That will be another post someday....

Rick

ok, I guess you and others knew why I was asking. I've been worrying the hr20-700 wouldn't send a high def signal via hdmi thru the vp50 to the projector with hdcp off. Another good reason to put off switching from the hr10 to the hr20. I'm glad to hear component works ok though. thx for the post.

ok, I guess you and others knew why I was asking. I've been worrying the hr20-700 wouldn't send a high def signal via hdmi thru the vp50 to the projector with hdcp off. Another good reason to put off switching from the hr10 to the hr20. I'm glad to hear component works ok though. thx for the post.

I may still have something set up wrong. Don't know

I thought the point of HDCP was to prevent DIGITAL copies to be made. Why is it blocking my access to an ANALOG output?

Rick