There have been a number of threads asking which panels display or accept 1080p input. Thought I would "round them up" in one thread. I have identified the models to date that I know of and whether or how they either display or accept 1080p input. If there is enough interest in this thread I will keep it updated throughout the next few quarters as more sets become available.

I would ask that we keep this thread on topic and do not offer subjective opinions of the displays. Those posts can be made in the appropriate thread. I would also ask that we do not discuss the various merits or not of 1080p as there are numerous threads already devoted to that topic. And as always no price talk, which vendor etc type of discussion:)

This thread is to provide a summary of available and soon to be available displays, whether they actually display 1080p and are there any issues to that capability and how they accept 1080p if in fact they do. Of primary interest to many is the ability to accept 1080p/60 and also 1080p 24 or 1080p 50, on which inputs the display accepts 1080p and if the 1080p input allows for 1:1 mapping without overscan.

Please provide updates on these capabilities, pertinent threads about a particular display and any known issues with display or acceptance of 1080p on a particular set. As new sets arrive - let's update the main post with the new models and their associated links.

Hope this is helpful!

Therese

As of September 4 2006
Westinghouse LCD Monitors

Westinghouse 47" 1080p LCD (LVM-47w1)
AVS Westinghouse 47" Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=678038)

Displays 1080p
Accepts 1080p/60 on DVI , HDMI and VGA inputs
Issue with colorspace on HDMI input(Clips Greens) using PC sources
Provides 1:1 Pixel Mapping ;No overscan
No tuners and no overscan for TV type input

Westinghouse 42" 1080p LCD (LVM-42w2)
AVS 42" Westinghouse Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=689997)

Displays 1080p
Accepts 1080p/60 on DVI , VGA inputs
Issues with actually accepting 1080p via HDMI - see discussion for updates - new firmware does NOT fix
Provides 1:1 Pixel Mapping ;No overscan
No tuners and no overscan for TV type input

Westinghouse 37" 1080p LCD (LVM-37w3)
AVS 37" Westinghouse Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=655280)

Displays 1080p
Accepts 1080p/60 on DVI , HDMI and VGA inputs
Provides 1:1 Pixel Mapping ;No overscan
No tuners and no overscan for TV type input


Sony LCD's

Sony KDL-52XBR2/3 Shipping Late September
Sony XBR3 line (KDL-46XBR3, KDL-40XBR3) Shipping September
Sony XBR2 line (KDL-46XBR2, KDL-40XBR2) Now Shipping
AVS 40" & 46" XBR2/3 Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=683533&page=1)

Major known differences to date - XBR3 line has Piano Black bezel, 6 months additional warranty, does not have interchangeable bezels - Note XBR3 may not have extended warranty as reported by users - check with dealer/Sony

For XBR 2/3 Line

Displays 1080p
Accepts 1080p/60 on HDMI inputs
Accepts 1080p/60 on VGA inputs
1:1 Pixel Mapping on 1080p; No overscan using "Full"

Sony V2500 line (KDL-46V2500, KDL-40V2500) ETA Shipping - Mid September - October
AVS 40" & 46" KV2500 Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=702114)

Difference from XBR2/3 line (rumored and via Sony website)

2 HDMI inputs instead of 3 - conflicting reports here
NO DRC processing
Unknown as to whether it accepts 1080p the same way that the XBR/2/3 line does
Manual list VGA as NOT supporting 1080i/p
Style differences - closer to prior model XBR1


Samsung LCD's
Samsung LN-S5797D Shipping Now - Limited Availability

Accepts 1080p over VGA & HDMI Inputs
Does not do 1:1 Pixel Mapping
No defeatable overscan mode


Samsung LN-S5296D ETA Shipping Late September - October
Just recently started showing up on Etailers websites
1080p Details TBD - Look at currently shipping models for possible specs

Samsung LN-S4696D,LN-S4695D,LN-S4096D,LN-S4095D
AVS Samsung 40" & 46" 96 Discussion - Also applies to 95 series (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=657002)

Accepts 1080p with overscan on HDMI inputs
Accepts 1080p/60 on VGA input
Undefeatable overscan for 1080p on HDMI


Sharp LCD's

Sharp Aquos 42" LC-42D62U ETA Shipping Late September - October
Sharp Aquos 46" LC-46D62U ETA Shipping October
Sharp Aquos 52" LC-52D62U ETA Shipping October
AVS Sharp D62 Specific Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=718029)
AVS Sharp 2006 Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=661832&page=1&pp=30)
See Post #1655 for 42"/46"/52" Details

Specs State displays 1080p
Specs State will accept 1080p on HDMI inputs
Reported to use dot by dot for 1080i/p signals(per Sharp)
No DVI or VGA inputs
Using older Panel on 42"

Sharp Aquos 37" LC-37D90U Shipping Now - Limited Availability
AVS Sharp 37" Owners Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=706466&highlight=37D90U)
AVS 2006 Sharp Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=661832)

Displays 1080p
Accepts 1080p/60 on HDMI inputs
Provides 1:1 Pixel mapping - no overscan - using dot by dot


JVC Lcd's

JVC LT-40FN97, LT-46FN97, LT-40FH97, LT-46FH97 40" and 46" Shipping Now

AVS JVC 40" & 46" Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=695173)
Differences between FN & FH series appear to be:

RS-232C Control on LH Series
Gold RCA Terminals on LH Series
Silver Trim on LH Series

For all above models:

Displays 1080p
Does NOT accept 1080p on any inputs


JVC LT-40FH96 Shipping - Limited as has been replaced by the above 97 Series
AVS JVC 40" FH96 Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=612698)

Displays 1080p
Does NOT accept 1080p on any inputs


Toshiba LCD's

Toshiba Cinema Series REGZA XHD 42LX196,47LX196 ETA Shipping Now
AVS Toshiba Regza Discussion 42" & 47" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=679698&highlight=toshiba)

Displays 1080p
Does not accept 1080p on HDMI
Does NOT accept 1080p via VGA

Toshiba REGZA XHD 42HL196,47HL196 Shipping Now

Minor Differences From LX Series:
*Not as advanced Color Management
*LX Has better speakers/sound
*LX 6 function illuminated remote

Mitsubishi LCD's

Mitsubishi Diamond Series 42 & 46" LT46231, LT42231 Shipping October
Mitsubichi Series 42 & 46 LT46131, LT 42131
Differences among between 131 and 231 Diamond Series:

illuminated remote
additional component input
perfect hue
Black Case

Valid For both series:

Displays 1080p
Specs claim to accept 1080p on HDMI inputs
Specs claim a DVI-I input that accepts 1080p

Mistubishi LT-37131 Shipping October
Same as above - add a motorized base. DVI input may be removed

Syntax Olevia Brillian LCD's

Syntax Olevia Signature 7 Series Shipping September/?
Syntax Olevia Brillian 747i, 742i

Displays 1080p
PDF states accepts 1080p via HDMI & VGA w/o overscan
Uses HQV Processing

AVS 2006 Syntax Olevia Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=698254)

Sceptre LCD's

Sceptre 42" X42GV Shipping Now - Limited Distribution
AVS 42" Sceptre Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=653098)

Displays 1080p
Accepts 1080p on HDMI 1:1 pixel mapping and no overscan


Eyefi LCD Monitor's

EyeFi 4710LD Shipping Now - Limited Distribution
AVS 47" Eyefi Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=654328)

Displays 1080p
Accepts 1080p over HDMI inputs
No tuners

Also a 42" model, little is knwon however build is different. 47" uses annodized aluminum for the case and the 42" is plastic.

Pioneer Plasma's

Pioneer Pro-FHD1 50"
AVS Pioneer FHD Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=706995)

Displays 1080p
Accepts 1080p via HDMI inputs
Accepts 1080p/60/24
Accepts 1080p via DVI


Panasonic Plasma's

While there has not been an oficial US release and rumors abound. It appears there will be an imminent:
65? Something in 1080p
Possibly 50/58 and another 65
Below are the related threads...as model numbers and shipping/availability get sorted out will post more. Still confusing info on models and shipping. Latest rumours have it at end of September/Early October. Still unknown which exact models will be released in US.

Panasonic PZ600 Series
AVS Panasonic 50" to 103" 1080p Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=700904)
Panasonic 65 1080p
AVS Official Panasonic 65 1080p Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=569102)
Panasonic 65px600 Manual
AVS Panasonic 65px600 Manual Discussion (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=714351)

Nice summary.

Many buyers now want full 1920x1080 60Hz 1:1 full desktop PC use, this will help sort those sets out.

Another point worth checking is how does a given set handle full 0-255 RGB levels.
Many digital inputs seem to expect 16-235 and will show clipping and limit colors when using a PC.

For the record it seems the Westinghouse 47" shows the full 0-255 on its DVI inputs and expects 16-235 on its HDMI.

At best players and sets would have it switchable.

wpwj40e:

Nice contribution. Excellent job!

wpwj40e:
Great Summary and thanks putting this together. Iwas getting tired of going thread to thread to compare spec's - especially 1080p input capability. I was in my local A/V store and BestBuy and none of the sales people I've talked to knew Toshiba 42LX196 & 42LH196 input capability. Both places sales people tought Toshiba excepted 1080p but they were not 100% sure.

Thanks for the positive feedback!

Jacklt - Agree with your perspective. The questions along those lines comes up more often than not as of late with all the new introductions of 1080p sets. My gut feel is that most of these sets are using the 16-235 color space via HDMI when using a PC/Mac. On both the Samsung and Sony when I tested - was able to change the color space used via my graphics on the MAC - and there definetely was a difference. Would be nice to get more definitive information on the other sets as you have done with the Westinghouse.

Some interesting news regarding the Mitsubishi line. They recently posted a product PDF and it does state that they will be accepting 1080p over HDMI and VGA - but also allowing a "digital true colorspace" via the DVI-i input. This might be a set to take a look at for those that want to have all spectrums of the color space available via a digital path.

As the various sets come out - it will be interesting to see the level of implementation they do regarding 1080p and acceptance of the digital input, compatability capabilities and such.

wpwj40e, HDBeat has some more information about the Samsung LN-S5296D LCD and 3 new upcoming Sharp Aquos 1080p LCD models LC-52GX1W, LC-46GX1W and LC-42GX1W. It look likes those Sharp models will only be available in Japan but the the 52" model will be sold in the U.S. under the model number LC-52D62U and the 46-inch under the model number LC-46D62U.

I still haven't reached enough posts to start posting links so I can't link to the information but all of it is on HDBeat.

Nice work!!

The Emprex HD-3701 also has 1080p NR; however, my understanding is that it does not accept 1080p on it's inputs. There is a thread in this forum on it.

This may be a silly question, but I am a newbie. Will a TV with 1920x1080 resolution make 1080i HD broadcasts look better or will does the program have to broadcast in 1080P?

Thanks!

Great thread! :)

I'm looking to purchase an LCD 1080p flat panel and, having browsed this board for the past week, I'm dizzy from trying to soak up all this info. :confused:

I will use this thread as a reference and hope it will be continually updated.

Although the Panasonic 50PX60U will not display 1080p, it does accept a 1080p signal, downsampling it to 720p, according to the manual. The criteria was accept or display, so be sure to include the 60Us.

Was going to wait for Cedia to do an update...But it appears in the last week or so - new information has come to light. So will be working on tod/tom and updating with all the new info...

Of Note....
*Sony KV2500 manual has come to light
*Mistubshi Officially released PDF's on their upcoming models
*Sharp Press & PDF Releases on the US Version D62 46" & 52"
*Syntax Olevia PDF has appeared on the internet - not known whether it is "official" or not - 7 series
*New info on the latest firmware release for the Westy 42"
*Rampant info all over the place regarding the Panasonic 1080p Plasma's
*Toshiba Regza/Cinema Series now at retailers

If you currently own/have tested one of the 1080p sets - please update this thread with issues/workarounds/best tips etc on hooking up 1080p sources to the various inputs. This will assist others as they make their purchase decisions for how these features may or may not work as they would intend to use them.

Thanks
Therese

This may be a silly question, but I am a newbie. Will a TV with 1920x1080 resolution make 1080i HD broadcasts look better or will does the program have to broadcast in 1080P?

Thanks!

At this time there are no known "broadcast" stations utlizing 1080p in the US. It is not anticiapted to change in the next few years.

As to whether it looks better or not - so much so depends upon the set itself. There are also numeorus threads discussing the benefits or not of 1080p.

I would identify a set you are intereste din and read the various post regarding that set. It will give you a better feel for the performance.

Therese

Thanks for the excellent recap. I am trying to sort this all out. I want to get an 46" LCD in the next 3 - 6 months. I was at a small electronics store today and they rearranging their shelves to make room for the new models from Sony and Sharp.

Updated 9/4 with info available and updates from known issues from various AVS threads.

Therese

Wow, you've cut my browsing time in _this_ forum down by about 95%. :)

Thank you very much.

hi, im interested in the samsung 4095 but you mentioned that it is "Undefeatable overscan for 1080p on HDMI". could you explain this to me in simple terms? thanks.

hi, im interested in the samsung 4095 but you mentioned that it is "Undefeatable overscan for 1080p on HDMI". could you explain this to me in simple terms? thanks.

Traditionally, TVs have always overscanned.

Wikipedia defines it this way: "In television, overscan is the area at the edge of a video signal which is not normally seen by the viewer. The purpose of this is to prevent blank space from showing on a cathode ray tube monitor, such as a regular TV set."

In simplistic terms, you should also know that the overscan area contains stuff like closed captioning data. You aren't meant to see it on the screen, and it can be rather distracting to watch.

Overscan on CRT TV's can be over 10% of the image. On LCD/Plasma it is generally under 5%, often 1-2%.

With pixel-based displays like LCD and Plasma, overscan is no longer necessary, but it is still done to some extent to hide things like closed captioning data.

In my opinion there are two reasons to be concerned about overscan that cannot be turned off in HD (1080p) mode:

1. If you plan to connect a PC, you won't get the full 1920x1080 pixels on the screen.

2. You will not get a pixel-accurate representation of 1080i/1080p source material. Many people think it is a darn shame that 1080i/1080p source material is being cropped and scaled even though the display device is able to reproduce every last pixel of it. It does degrade the image some, although you are unlikely to notice it unless you are looking at something like a computer desktop. Overscan is also somewhat offensive to HD-DVD/Blu-Ray owners who have paid top $$ to be able to watch what is on their discs without unnecessary scaling in the TV.

Note that if you are watching SDTV material that a TV station has upconverted to 1080, you'll probably want that overscan to hide the closed captioning data, etc. So it is nice to be able to toggle it on and off. Some newer TVs offer that ability.

The new Samsungs are very nice TVs, but the overscan cannot be turned off.

so that means that if i output a full 1080p signal from a scaler or dvd player, the lcd will still scale it to slightly smaller resolution thus limiting its full capacity resolution? if that is the case, why on earth would they do that... the lcd will always be scaling the signal then from a dvd player, correct?

Great job. I know this will save people a lot of time and headaches.

I heard the upcoming LG 47LB1DRA also does 1080p. Does anyone have information regarding it, such as 1:1 pixel mapping and LG's quality control on its LCD products? Thanks.

Thanks for the hard work compiling this. Is there a similar thread for RPTV 1080p capabilities?

First,

Props to wpwj40e for posting highly useful information. Something like tihis was long overdue and begins to uncover (for many such as myself) some of the previously 'uncharted waters' in consumer sets of what I call: Connectivity.

To make this as short as I can: Guys, if you have any intention at all of using your PC/Mac as a hub for your digital panel - be it plasma or LCD and you want no headaches to pixel-match (1:1, or per the video card you're using, at least get within 3 lines if you have a 768p set like mine), Make SURE the set has a DVI connection.

Don't think (like I did, primarily because there wasn't enough information about it at the time I purchased my 61" plasma with HDMI as the only digital input), that you're gonna simply get a DVI <> HDMI adapter and all will be well...

There is something going on behind the HDMI connection as opposed to DVI (that I don't technically understand and/or, it hasn't been explained to me yet in a manner that I can understand) that does not interpret the signal and give you output in the same way as DVI. In my case, not only do I have horrible overscan but everything behind that connector (the internal electronics) scales everything in 1080i by default and there ain't a damned thing you can do about it. VGA you say? Oh sure, and just gotta love that VGA picture on a digital panel. Been there. Horrible. Oh yeah, it gave me 1360 x 768 and it was as dull as mud too. And yes, I've tried the software programs - they work, but you still get overscan.

Cheers to Westinghouse and Mitsubishi for keeping the DVI standard going by including them as input options. (I'm kinda licking my chops over the Mitsu, I think those upcoming sets in October are gonna be sleepers...)



The Mochi -

I think this last post may throw people off a tad. HDMI input in some sets is treated the same way as a DVI input for the most part. For instance, I take my Sony XBR2 I have perfect 1:1 pixel mapping just using a DVI <> HDMI cable. To me whether its DVI or HDMI it doesn't matter as long as it does do 1:1, use the above thread for face value for the reference it is.

I heard the upcoming LG 47LB1DRA also does 1080p. Does anyone have information regarding it, such as 1:1 pixel mapping and LG's quality control on its LCD products? Thanks.

Have been unable to verify this model. It was supposed to be released to "specialty retailers" in the 3rd quarter. None of the ones I have contacted have any information - nor does LG when I wrote them.

If anyone has info on this model - availability etc - Please Post!

Thanks
Therese

I have been following the various mfg's implementations of 1080p over the various inputs. While today - there are some benefits to the DVI implementation - HDMI - when implemented properly will be the future.

It is important that the graphics card you have in your PC is capable of supporting HDMI - as the implementation on many PC's graphics differ between DVI and HDMI.

As information surfaces on the various inputs - will keep the thread updated on specific models if they have HDMI issues - even though they may "claim" to accept 1080p via HDMI.

Of note are the recent findings regarding the 42" Westinghouse and it's HDMI implementation. Please see that thread for specific informaiton if this is a model you are considering and you must use HDMI. ALso note - that this model has 2 DVI inputs and most users are able to get satisfactory 1080p input in via this way.

Therese

Some of the gurus can chime in here but I _think_ that HDMI connections are treated differently by most TV's than DVI. I think it has to do with colors available, default contrast (possibly the range you can adjust contrast?).

I think the root of it is that TV makers assume you are going to connect TV signals to HDMI and computer signals to DVI.

Of course part of the problem might also be that there doesn't seem to be a "standard" and you don't know what you're getting until someone posts a great thread like this.

I'm sorry I don't know all the technical why's and why not's but I think the gist of it is that for most TV's:

HDMI is not equal to DVI with a different connector.

First,

Props to wpwj40e for posting highly useful information. Something like tihis was long overdue and begins to uncover (for many such as myself) some of the previously 'uncharted waters' in consumer sets of what I call: Connectivity.

To make this as short as I can: Guys, if you have any intention at all of using your PC/Mac as a hub for your digital panel - be it plasma or LCD and you want no headaches to pixel-match (1:1, or per the video card you're using, at least get within 3 lines if you have a 768p set like mine), Make SURE the set has a DVI connection.

Don't think (like I did, primarily because there wasn't enough information about it at the time I purchased my 61" plasma with HDMI as the only digital input), that you're gonna simply get a DVI <> HDMI adapter and all will be well...

There is something going on behind the HDMI connection as opposed to DVI (that I don't technically understand and/or, it hasn't been explained to me yet in a manner that I can understand) that does not interpret the signal and give you output in the same way as DVI. In my case, not only do I have horrible overscan but everything behind that connector (the internal electronics) scales everything in 1080i by default and there ain't a damned thing you can do about it. VGA you say? Oh sure, and just gotta love that VGA picture on a digital panel. Been there. Horrible. Oh yeah, it gave me 1360 x 768 and it was as dull as mud too. And yes, I've tried the software programs - they work, but you still get overscan.

Cheers to Westinghouse and Mitsubishi for keeping the DVI standard going by including them as input options. (I'm kinda licking my chops over the Mitsu, I think those upcoming sets in October are gonna be sleepers...)



The Mochi -

Indeed, I did kinda come off like a wagon load 'O wet goats in my post above. Take it with a grain of salt, but be aware in any case and do your homework before buying - SOP. When you've been through the frustration I have with not being able to get native rate or pixel match due simply to the dictates of the connection, it's truly frustrating.

Could any of the moderators make this thread a sticky so that newbies coming looking for info on 1080p LCD panels/plasmas (which many noobs ask for) can find it right at the top? It gets tiring having to answer good-intended questions from newcomers when Therese was kind-enough to do the legwork for us (and continues to do so by updating the first posting with new info as it becomes available). Anybody??!! :)

Whats up everyone new here but have been reading on this website for for many months now. I am in the market for a 37" 1080p panel and will look to buy end of this year or early next year. Anyway, might want to add the Norcent LT-3790 to the list. It's due out in January and the site says it has 1080p. Not sure what quality Norcent makes though.

From my research (corrections appreciated): HDMI is fully compatible with DVI. As Therese said, it's the future. AFAIK, an HDMI wouldn't know the input is coming from a DVI source -- a 1920 x 1080p @ 60 would be just that. So, if there's a problem with DVI->HDMI, then it seems there's a more general problem with the HDMI itself regardless of the source. The only issue I'm aware of (skipping the DRM stuff), is PC (0-255) and Video (16-235) Colorspace. And, I don't believe this has anything to do with HDMI either, but how the set processes the HDMI.

For Video RGB, 0-15 is blacker-than-black (btb) and 236-255 is whiter-than-white (wtw). So reference black is at 16 and reference white at 235. This _should_ be adjustable for PC RGB (0-255) by simply increasing the brightness (brightening 16 and lowering the black reference to 0) and increasing the contrast (pushing reference white up to 255). [I may have got this mixed-up -- but it's increase or decrease these. ]

So, as long as there are settings for brightness and contrast (and perhaps color saturation may need to be tweaked), then PC or Video Colorspace _should_ be a non-issue -- and again, has nothing to do w/ HDMI itself.

I'm not a guru on this (just learning), but this is my understanding. I can't imagine why a set would chop off btb (0-15) or wtw (236-255). It's not _useless_ info, but is used for scaling etc., and is part of the signal (even video sources send those btb and wtw bits). If any of these 1080p HDMI input sets are doing something weird, this would be important info for us. There are test patterns available on this forum. Would those of you who have these sets give us some feedback on how the HDMI handles Colorspace and whether it can be corrected with brighness and contrast (or other settings)?

Finally, specifically for the Sony XBR2/3's (and forthcoming V2500's) there _is_ a setting called Colorspace that can be set to Normal or Wide. It sure seems this would correspond to Video and PC RGB. What else would it be? Again, can an owner use a test pattern to confirm?

I think it would be helpful to add to this thread some information on the 1920x1200 monitors which can show 1080p natively. The ones I'm aware of are the BenQ FP241W (Due very soon) and the Dell FPW 2405/2407 (although the latter displays do not seem to accept HDCP enconded signals at 1920x1080).

Eiffel

Great job with this thread! A few comments and opinions:

Folks interested in 1080p inputs and CableCard might also want to see my thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=721494) regarding the lack of 1:1 mapped 1080 and CableCard in the same LCD 42+ inch LCD from anyone so far?

The Sceptre X42GV may not do 1080p 1:1 via HDMI from what I can tell? In fact, many owners have reported that feeding it 1080 from a PC looks pretty bad via HDMI or VGA. I haven't read the entire lengthy thread on it, however.

From what I've seen, the Syntax 747i and 742i are priced with or above the big names (at least so far, perhaps street prices will eventually be much lower?). While they may have some advantages (especially with their scaling/processing) I think it's tough for people to spend that kind of money with a company best known for disposable low-end displays/monitors?

The EyeFi's are tough to recommend over the Westys. Some like the huge metal frame on the 47, but it's a big waste of space and there's little else to like?

Does anyone have any info on the new 57 inch (?) Westy rumored to be coming soon?

Does anyone have any new info on 40-some inch D90 models from Sharp? I realize the D62s aren't even out yet but it would be nice to have CableCard in their 40-some inch models.

There are rumors of a couple of 40+ inch LCDs from Vizio. Does anyone know anything about them yet? Vizio might be in a position leapfrog some of the big guys here?

We have CEDIA coming right up so hopefully lots of the above questions and more will be answered by those who attend?

wpwj40e, I guess you're waiting until the CEDIA expo ends on Sunday the 17th to post up an update. I just saw on HDBeat that Toshiba updated their Regza LCD lineup with 2 new 1080p capable models, the 47-inch 47LZ196 and 42-inch 42LZ196.

wpwj40e, I guess you're waiting until the CEDIA expo ends on Sunday the 17th to post up an update. I just saw on HDBeat that Toshiba updated their Regza LCD lineup with 2 new 1080p capable models, the 47-inch 47LZ196 and 42-inch 42LZ196.

:) Yup...Was gonna wait til the dust settled and all the press releases had been made. Also have made a few calls etc to attempt to verify some of what we are hearing. So - probably Mon eve - will have an update ready!

Therese

taps foot =D

Did anyone at CEDIA see the NuVision 1080p LCD's that were to be announced there? There will be 42" and 47" models. Here are the specs. (http://www.nuvision.com/downloads/42LCM_47LCM_SPEC_20060907.pdf)

Insignia claims to display 1080p and accept it from all sources... Don't know much else.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8514866

* HD Digital Ready: True 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480i/p
* High Contrast: 800:1
* High Brightness: 550 cd/m2
* HDMI Digital Input
* Inputs Include: Component, S-Video, PC 15-Pin Input, Composite And Headphone
* Progressive Scan
* BTSC / MTS Sound Multiplex Audio
* 1920 x 1080 Pixel Resolution
* 8ms Response Time
* 50k Hour Panel Lamp Life

I have been researching 40-47" panels, educated my self well on the the 1080p input and out put issues. manufactures Documentation is so bad that i had to call a number of the companys to get a straight answer on 1080p in put like the very deceptive Toshiba with its 1080p screen only. Thankfully i found this forum which also brought up the 1:1 and overscan issues. I was about to buy the Samsung LN-S4685D ( there some good discounts showing up this week ) but want to use this with my PC also and thought it will be a second monitor so i won't have menu bar issues I really like 1:1 pixels for accuracy. So that leaves the Sony (not into the glass surround) The Westy's ( cheap inclosure / Monitor only ) The Mitibishi which has a DVI so should have 1:1 mapping on that ? ( any info ? ) and the new Sharps which is probably what i will get. Any Thoughts ?

You might want to add the NuVisions

47" and 42"
Shipping October
1080p (two HDMIs)
Not sure about over VGA/component.
Not sure about overscan.

I'll try to find out.

I saw somewhere that the overscan on the Samy's can be defeated...something to do with the service menu....let me try to find the information and ill post it as soon as I find it ;)

Please KillBill, do find out if there's a way to defeat the overscan on the Sammy. It's the main obstacle (and a self-made one at that) Sammy has put between itself and some good sales of the 4X95D sets. :)

I have been researching 40-47" panels, educated my self well on the the 1080p input and out put issues. manufactures Documentation is so bad that i had to call a number of the companys to get a straight answer on 1080p in put like the very deceptive Toshiba with its 1080p screen only. Thankfully i found this forum which also brought up the 1:1 and overscan issues. I was about to buy the Samsung LN-S4685D ( there some good discounts showing up this week ) but want to use this with my PC also and thought it will be a second monitor so i won't have menu bar issues I really like 1:1 pixels for accuracy. So that leaves the Sony (not into the glass surround) The Westy's ( cheap inclosure / Monitor only ) The Mitibishi which has a DVI so should have 1:1 mapping on that ? ( any info ? ) and the new Sharps which is probably what i will get. Any Thoughts ?

Have you checkout the Pioneer PRO-FHD1 as it is a monitor w/the 1:1 pixel mapping, and maybe just what you are seeking. Of course, you pay to play w/the best.

Did anyone at CEDIA see the NuVision 1080p LCD's that were to be announced there? There will be 42" and 47" models. Here are the specs. (http://www.nuvision.com/downloads/42LCM_47LCM_SPEC_20060907.pdf)

I did. I'd never even considered selling LCD panels until I saw these. Better than Samsung, Sony, LG from what I've seen, with better blacks and far fewer problems with motion. I've not seen a Sharp lately, though.

Please KillBill, do find out if there's a way to defeat the overscan on the Sammy. It's the main obstacle (and a self-made one at that) Sammy has put between itself and some good sales of the 4X95D sets. :)


So far i have only herd it can't ( do one to one mapping ) That was my early choice and the price is the first to fall

As for the sony i hate the glass frame. Maybe there a model with out have to look again.

Nothing that seems to set the nuvision apart from the specs slow compared to the sharps ....

The 50 pioneer plasma is real sweet ( and $y ) but it is also a bit to big and heavy for this application. I will use it for a HD and as a computer monitor at times.

Nothing that seems to set the nuvision apart from the specs slow compared to the sharps .....

I would look at them first. I have no idea how they were doing what they did, but they certainly looked good from what I was able to tell. I need more time, but my preliminary look was surprising and I'm pretty jaded about LCD. If my first impressions are even close, I'll be happy.

The NuVision models look nice in terms of aesthetics, but being only monitors, they're not ideal for lots of LCD applications. And they're going to compete directly with the well regarded 1080p models from Westinghouse but I suspect will cost considerably more being (apparently?) a "protected" line? Does anyone have pricing information?

Did anyone at Cedia get a chance to see the new Mitsubishi 1080p LCDs mentioned at the start of this thread? The local dealers still don't have them (or the new Sharps for that matter). Apparently a few dealers in the country got one a while back but that's been it so far?

The new Toshiba LZ models also look promising as they supposedly support true 1080p inputs with 1:1 mapping. It will be interesting to see where the street price ends up? The MSRP is fairly high and they're commanding at least a $1000 premium (street) over the 1080i HL196:

42LZ196 ($3,399.99, September 2006)
47LZ196 ($4,599.99, September 2006)

Any chance MSRP could be added to this list?
I realise that no one buys them at MSRP, and there are deals, but it definately makes it easier to limit the search.

Great list by the way!!!

NuVision just added a 37" 1080p monitor with a MAP of $1999.

Where did you see the addition of the NuVision 37" with 1080p? The site only mentions a 37" at 1366 x 768 as far as I saw. At this size and price, with 1920 x 1080, I could use it for a computer monitor.

Nice summary.

Many buyers now want full 1920x1080 60Hz 1:1 full desktop PC use, this will help sort those sets out.

Another point worth checking is how does a given set handle full 0-255 RGB levels.
Many digital inputs seem to expect 16-235 and will show clipping and limit colors when using a PC.

For the record it seems the Westinghouse 47" shows the full 0-255 on its DVI inputs and expects 16-235 on its HDMI.

At best players and sets would have it switchable.
The Sony V2500 does pixel perfect 1-1 1920 x 1080 60 Hz from a PC/Laptop using a DVI to HDMI cable. I've run every test pattern, and used the Phillips Test Pattern Generator, I could throw at it, and it's been flawless.

I've also calibrated 0-255 from test patterns (btb and wtw show up). I posted the settings on the V2500 thread. I've been able to match the gray scale from the VGA input (at 1280 x 768 since the V2500's don't do 1080p VGA) when setting Color Mode to Wide. So, it also appears that PC RGB levels are being properly displayed (neither chopped off or scrunched). Finally, I ran an audio video test with the sound coming from my laptop's speakers, and both audio and video (on the v2500) were in synch showing there's no discernable video lag.

As for the sony i hate the glass frame. Maybe there a model with out have to look again. See post above. The V2500's are the under the radar 1080p lcd hdtv's overlooked by the flashier XBR's. They're fundamentally the same sets (panel and backlighting) minus Bravia Pro and DRC signal processing features. However, they do pristine 1080p over HDMI whereas the XBR's have a white speckle or sharpening that can't be turned off issue (see XBR threads for details).

Ideally a set should neither chop off or scrunch and re-expand 0 to 15 and 236 to 255. Then it'd be just a matter of adjusting brighness and contrast to set reference black and white to 0 and 255 or 16 and 235. Those btb and wtw shades are supposed to be used for scaling and so on, so they shouldn't be interfered with.

Where did you see the addition of the NuVision 37" with 1080p? The site only mentions a 37" at 1366 x 768 as far as I saw. At this size and price, with 1920 x 1080, I could use it for a computer monitor.

I don't think they've had a chance to update the site, but it's supposed to start shipping in one week. These are fantastic monitors. I just got in the 32" and it's *way* better than everything I've seen at all the big chain stores, BB/CC/UE. Really good. Not perfect, but a big step in the right direction. I'll probably get a 37" or so for my computer monitor too. Not as high-rez as some big dedicated monitors though. Also remember, no TV tuner. You'd have to hook up a tuner for TV.

BTW, it does appear that the NuVisions defeat overscanning by using the "Full" mode rather than "Normal". It doesn't say "bit for bit" or anything that precise, but it says you can change the mode "to obtain a cleaner picture". It only works with HDTV. Doing so does shrink the image and allows about 5-10 more pixels to exist. It doesn't exactly fill the picture with my analog source. In addition, this is a 768 panel, but at least they seem to address it, so I assume this feature will exist in the upcoming 37", 42" and 47" 1080p models.

Might be worth noting that the Sharp LC-37D90U displays 1080p via Component Video.

Any update to this great thread ?

I'm looking for a 47-52" 1080p which will take pc/mac DVI (or HDMI) in at 1:1

where do you find nuvisions at?

www.nuvision.com

any update of the round up for november ?

Will any of the next generation of 1080p PDPs coming out during 2007 be configured to support OCAP 2.0?

FYI some people reported that Westy 37W3 supports 1080p over component as well, which would make this particular model the benchmark as far as 1080p inputs are concerned. Westy has following 1080p inputs: HDMI x1, DVI x2, Component x2, VGA x1. Probably they exist but I'm not aware of any other monitor or TV with such a wide variety of 1080p inputs at any price out of the box.

Hey wpwj40e, it's been a couple of months...do you think you can update the list?

So the Westinghouse does 1080p over component. Is anyone aware of any other displays which support 1080p over component?

Hey wpwj40e, it's been a couple of months...do you think you can update the list?

Using 'Stargate' lingo Sam K, wpwj40e has 'ascended' to Pioneer Elite plasma heaven. :)

I know a number of manufacturers are going to be releasing new models in the next month or two. This thread has been very helpful, and hopefully will be updated with newer models and information as it becomes available...

Hi guys, been reading through this and a few other threads (love that search) and am just looking for confirmation that indeed the Toshiba 42LZ196 and 47LZ196 accept 1080p via HDMI.

thanks!

oh and well, if anyone can comment on how nice they look :)

Great thread, would the OP update the summary with the newer information that has surfaced since Sept please? There will certainly be a bunch of new info to add after CES too.

Any updates? I'm particularly interested in ability to render 24fps film based source in perfect multiples of 24 Hz. (Note that not all 120Hz displays will do this...like JVC's pulldown scheme (http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/1106jvclt37x987/).)

thanks
gandalf :o