I am very happy to hear that this work is being taken so seriously. I hope to finally catch this weekends broadcast and get to see what they have done.

I personally enjoy the changes and am aware of the changes, I understand original verses "tainted". But I hope it doesn't become another star wars like "discussion". Or did it already happen?

At least these things are fixable. One thing that always cracks me up in movies and TV shows made in the 50's and 60's that were set in "the future" is when someone dials a telephone number. That would be hard to fix with CGI.

At least these things are fixable. One thing that always cracks me up in movies and TV shows made in the 50's and 60's that were set in "the future" is when someone dials a telephone number. That would be hard to fix with CGI.

A telephone is only used in three episodes (if I have counted correctly) in Star Trek:TOS. "A Piece of the Action" when Oxmix calls the other bosses so they can be beamed to Oxmix's office but then that is based on 1930's so not a problem. "Assignment: Earth" when Roberta Lincoln attempts to call the police when she discovers Kirk and Spock and the security guard at KSC but that takes place in 1968 and the other time is "Tomorrow is Yesterday" when Kirk is found poking around a secured air base and security calls HQ but again, it was 1967.

I guess Star Trek passes the telephone test!! ;)

Mr. Seven. With that perfect pen.

Too bad that never made it on the air as the spinoff Roddenberry wanted. Not sure how long it would have lasted. But it would have been an interesting series.

The time travel episodes seemed to be "different/special"

Please someone get this out in HD somehow! This is so sad that all that works is being downconverted before we can see it!

A telephone is only used in three episodes (if I have counted correctly) in Star Trek:TOS. "A Piece of the Action" when Oxmix calls the other bosses so they can be beamed to Oxmix's office but then that is based on 1930's so not a problem. "Assignment: Earth" when Roberta Lincoln attempts to call the police when she discovers Kirk and Spock and the security guard at KSC but that takes place in 1968 and the other time is "Tomorrow is Yesterday" when Kirk is found poking around a secured air base and security calls HQ but again, it was 1967.
Strange how they always travelled back to "present day" Earth, even in Star Trek IV. :D

The only definte anacronism I've seen fixed so far is the spinning "analog" cronometer in "The Naked Time". They could have easily done a "digital" cronometer in the oriiginal with stop motion photography but they probably didn't think of it.

...for those of you who are totally confused (like foxeng, rseven, Ken H and Davinleeds) it's the page count in the forum that is throttled when you are not logged in, not the page count in the thread.

If I hadn't bumped the thread, anyone not logged in and viewing the HDTV Programming thread would not see the "Original Star Trek in HD? Not at this time." thread.

I'll probably wind up bumping it again the next time it goes off the thread list.

They could have easily done a "digital" cronometer in the oriiginal with stop motion photography but they probably didn't think of it.Or better yet - nixie tubes!

...for those of you who are totally confused (like foxeng, rseven, Ken H and Davinleeds) it's the page count in the forum that is throttled when you are not logged in, not the page count in the thread.

If I hadn't bumped the thread, anyone not logged in and viewing the HDTV Programming thread would not see the "Original Star Trek in HD? Not at this time." thread.

I'll probably wind up bumping it again the next time it goes off the thread list.
The threads move at each posting and if no one posts,to the thread, it will move down the line. If you're not logged in, you have limited viewing. Subscibing to a thread helps me find it much quicker, particulaly if it hasn't been posted to recently.

...for those of you who are totally confused (like foxeng, rseven, Ken H and Davinleeds) it's the page count in the forum that is throttled when you are not logged in, not the page count in the thread.

If I hadn't bumped the thread, anyone not logged in and viewing the HDTV Programming thread would not see the "Original Star Trek in HD? Not at this time." thread.

I'll probably wind up bumping it again the next time it goes off the thread list.

I am not confused. I understand that the page number is user selectable. Mine is set for 9 pages. I was poking fun. Sorry you didn't catch the joke.

Or better yet - nixie tubes!

I suspect nixies were too expensive for the budget. Besides, those mechanical clocks were a dime a dozen in those days. In my house we had 3 that looked just like the two in the nav console except ours were in their own housings.

Strange how they always travelled back to "present day" Earth, even in Star Trek IV. :D

Keeps the budget in line!! :) :)

The only definte anacronism I've seen fixed so far is the spinning "analog" cronometer in "The Naked Time". They could have easily done a "digital" cronometer in the oriiginal with stop motion photography but they probably didn't think of it.

The truth may be they just didn't have the time to do it. The accounts I have read through the many books were they were always up against the film ship time to get the episodes SFX done and they didn't always make it and the print had to be hand carried from LA to NY to make air. "Making of Star Trek" 1974 edition.

Arena is on tonight on CW Network in my area. Those Metrons are understanding aliens.

Arena is on tonight on CW Network in my area. Those Metrons are understanding aliens.

I hear that there was some CGI change made to the Gorn. Don't know what it is and ST:TOS doesn't run until 11:30 tonight.

Hope they didn't go as far as the Enterpise Gorn, 11pm Arena, Midnight Mudd the 1st. Maybe some CGI on Stella.

Hope they didn't go as far as the Enterpise Gorn, 11pm Arena, Midnight Mudd the 1st. Maybe some CGI on Stella.

Nah, none on Stella. But then that was the point!! :)

The Gorn Blinks!!

Ouch -no spoilers! He just did a second ago.

What I would be happier with is the remastered shows running at their old NBC (50 minutes) length - none of the syndicated shortened versions.

Arena is on tonight on CW Network in my area.
Star Trek is syndicated. The CW network has nothing to do with the show.

Only place I can watch.

Don't thank the CW network for it. :)

The Gorn eyes were inconsistant. When we first get a closeup of the Gorn on the ground when Kirk is about to kill it, its eyes are partially shut and even twitching a little (makes sense since it's injured) but a moment later a second cut to the Gorn showed it with its regular wide open unenhanced eyes. I don't know if enhancements are a good idea if they add continuity problems.

What I would be happier with is the remastered shows running at their old NBC (50 minutes) length - none of the syndicated shortened versions.

It has been reported that when the HD versions are released, they will be at the full run time and not edited.

The Gorn eyes were inconsistant. When we first get a closeup of the Gorn on the ground when Kirk is about to kill it, its eyes are partially shut and even twitching a little (makes sense since it's injured) but a moment later a second cut to the Gorn showed it with its regular wide open unenhanced eyes. I don't know if enhancements are a good idea if they add continuity problems.

It looked to me that if the Gorn was still they blinked, but if he was moving or far away they didn't. Guess that time thing again.

Something else I hope they fix in the redo. On the model Enterprise the running lights blinked. The current CGI verson, they don't. The lights are there, you can clearly see them on the underside and on top on the sides of the saucer section. They just don't do anything.

>!* Bump *!<

It has been reported that when the HD versions are released, they will be at the full run time and not edited.

It's probably too much to hope for that they'll be broadcast OTA. :(

Today (oops, yesterday) I saw vividly the difference that a particular station's SD-to-HD upconversion hardware/software can make. My "local" station for ST is WYCW-DT in Asheville NC, which I can receive strongly, but had crappy SD upconverts: very soft, low contrast and muddy colors. Until today I preferred to watch ST on WJZY-DT in Charlotte, which had better PQ in all respects, although the sharpness still isn't as good as on some stations around here, and reception can be dicey during the daytime at 72 miles. (They show each episode twice, on Saturday evening and Sunday afternoon.)

A few days ago I noticed that WYCW's SD upconverts were much sharper than I remembered. They must have installed new equipment. Sure enough, their rendition of ST is now much sharper than before, and now beats WJZY in that respect. The color saturation could use some work, though. I had to boost the color several notches on my TV to get good results.

It's probably too much to hope for that they'll be broadcast OTA. :(

Not according to the press release. It said that the HD versions would be released to stations sometime in the future uncut. It doesn't make sense to cut the SD and not the HD but if it comes out that way, I will not complain.

I was disappointed that one of the cuts in Catspaw this weekend was where she is modeling to Kirk "how much of a woman" she is and she changes outfits. Even in the G4 version, that scene is there. That has always been my favorate scene in that episode! ;)

I was disappointed too, but in a different way. I set the DVR to record ST at 3:30AM on 704, which is the HD WNBC channel here in the NYC area. Well, ST was not on at all as per the schedule. Does anyone know if it was ever aired and if so, what time?

I was disappointed too, but in a different way. I set the DVR to record ST at 3:30AM on 704, which is the HD WNBC channel here in the NYC area. Well, ST was not on at all as per the schedule. Does anyone know if it was ever aired and if so, what time?Caught snippets of a Startrek: Enterprise Sunday during the day, maybe on a HD channel, via NYC's TWC. Can't recall just when. But the big HD SciFi news for TWC NYC is that Nov. 1 they're finally adding Cinemax (for Nov.'s Star Wars 'hexology') and Starz HD, plus a fulltime local sports HD channel (see local NYC TWC forum). Announcement, in true TWC overhype, is a tiny, rare, crawler on the Weather Channel. -- John

I was disappointed too, but in a different way. I set the DVR to record ST at 3:30AM on 704, which is the HD WNBC channel here in the NYC area. Well, ST was not on at all as per the schedule. Does anyone know if it was ever aired and if so, what time?

It was aired, at around 2:30 or so. (Did you set yourclocks back an hour?) But the show never airs at the time scheduled. Now I set the DVR to begin recording at least 15 minutes early and end 15 minutes later than whatever time is listed.

Caught snippets of a Startrek: Enterprise Sunday during the day, maybe on a HD channel, via NYC's TWC. Can't recall just when.

HDNet is running ST:ENT on Sunday afternoons along with first showings on Monday nights and additional runs on Saturday nights. I have seen it on all three days.

Not according to the press release. It said that the HD versions would be released to stations sometime in the future uncut. It doesn't make sense to cut the SD and not the HD but if it comes out that way, I will not complain.

I sure won't! I bet it will need an extended time slot, though. Gotta get all those commercials in somehow.

If you have an XBOX360, XBOX Live will start offering TV shows in HD and SD starting on Nov 22nd. The original Trek is listed as one of the shows.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/marketplace/moviestv.htm

Did anyone see "The Trouble with Tribbles" this weekend? This was the first episode I've seen that features the female vocal accompaniment to the theme, as well as revised f/x in the opening title sequence. Very well done.

Some of the f/x shots in the episode were views of the Enterprise I've not seen before, and again, well done. The improvements really showed well in this episode, and I'm actually looking forward to each week to see what kinds of treats they will give us! Good job Paramount/CBS!

I thought the shot of the Enterprise approaching the star base looked terrible. The close up of the back of the Enterprise was too clean and simple. This was the first shot they didn't bother to add film grain so it looked like it had come straight out of a computer.

You're right about that shot, now that I think about it. I'm still excited overall, it seems the effort improves each week, and more shots seem to be added as they build their library of effects. The one shot early in the episode of the Enterprise flying by the camera was an angle of the ship that I don't recall from TOS. I'm just glad they're willing to make the effort. I read elsewhere on AVS (or was it this thread?) that the show is the number one syndicated show this fall, or something along those lines. Not bad for 40 year old scifi.

The number one weekly science fiction show in syndication. Note the qualifications...it's not beating "Oprah" or "CSI Miami" (or even coming close), but it is holding up quite well for a 40 year show. Well enough to beat out the two Stargate shows.

Qualifications or not, it's still impressive. I finally caught the last two episodes broadcast in HD here in the NYC area and they look marvelous. What a treat!

Who wants to tell rseven that they weren't in HD?

Don't rain on my parade, Scowl. :) Yes, I know it's not real HD, but anything broadcast on the HD (channel 704 on Cablevision) is superior to the regular NBC broadcasts.

...looks like G4 Tech TV (TWC channel 102) last weekend finished their 7 hour Star Trek marathons...too bad they didn't show all 79 episodes!

However, TV Land (TWC channel 67) is going to start showing Star Trek episodes on Friday. Here is most of the episode lineup I found so far. It looks like all episodes are 60 minutes so they are not showing uncut versions (like G4 Tech TV did) but it's better than nothing!

Fri 17-Nov-2006
20:00 - 21:00 The Cage
21:00 - 22:00 Space Seed

Sat 18-Nov-2006
20:00 - 21:00 The Man Trap
21:00 - 22:00 Where No Man Has Gone Before
22:00 - 23:00 The Naked Time
23:00 - 24:00 Balance of Terror

Sun 19-Nov-2006
00:00 - 01:00 Amok Time
01:00 - 02:00 Journey to Babel
02:00 - 03:00 The Devil in the Dark
03:00 - 04:00 Mirror, Mirror
04:00 - 05:00 Arena
05:00 - 06:00 A Private Little War
06:00 - 07:00 The Corbomite Maneuver
07:00 - 08:00 The Deadly Years

20:00 - 21:00 The Trouble with Tribbles
21:00 - 22:00 A Piece of the Action
22:00 - 23:00 The City on the Edge of Forever
23:00 - 24:00 The Doomsday Machine

Mon 20-Nov-2006
00:00 - 01:00 Bread and Circuses
01:00 - 02:00 Plato's Stepchildren
02:00 - 03:00 The Enterprise Incident
03:00 - 04:00 And the Children Shall Lead
04:00 - 05:00 Spectre of the Gun
05:00 - 06:00 Assignment: Earth
06:00 - 07:00 ?

23:00 - 24:00 ?

Tue 21-Nov-2006
23:00 - 24:00 ?

Wed 22-Nov-2006
23:00 - 24:00 ?

TVLand will be showing the original versions of the programs, and not the syndication version that has the new special effects.

From anything I've ever watched on TVLand, you can expect the commercial load to be comparable to what we're seeing in syndication, so you're right to note that these will not be unedited broadcasts. Far from it -- they will probably be both edited and time compressed (sped up).

I watched Mirror, Mirror this weekend and I noticed editing, but enjoyed the much sharper images. Personally I think the saucer section is too thick, but still looks cleaner.

I also saw Mirror, Mirror. They may not be HD, but they are very clean. I noticed how bad the scar makeup was on a closup of the evil Mr Sulu. All these have just looked great.

On Mirror, Mirror, I always wondered why the Hullkins (sp) didn't reverse-still didn't want to give up the crystals. We're scheduled for Space Seed this weekend, surpisingly at the same time as TV Land.

The Botany Bay looked very nice, nice affect when Botany Bay released by Khan. Disappointed in snips of dialog. Makes it bitter sweet.

One thing is for sure. Once we start seeing these shows in HD, we'll have no trouble recognizing the stunt doubles! :)

Original Star Trek Gets CGI Upgrades for HD Syndicated Return


I'm a bit late to this party, I just came across this thread. What fantastic news!! Guess I need to come out of my cave a little more often. :D

But actually, I thought that this might eventually be the case. Someone I know purchased all the TOS DVDs when they originally came out and as we were watching them, we both noticed that only the live action people scenes had been digitally cleaned up and that all exterior ship shots were still in rough condition - numerous sparkles throughout.

My comment, at the time, was that a subsequent version would appear (v2.0) at some future point that would add some nice new CG for those space shots only after they milked enough money from the die hard trekkies the first time around. Naturally, what trekkie could resist purchasing the first offering, and then any subsequent new and improved version. :p

Low and behold, leave it to Paramount to know how to separate hapless trekkies from their hard earned money. :eek:


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One thing is for sure. Once we start seeing these shows in HD, we'll have no trouble recognizing the stunt doubles! :)

It's even pretty obvious in the current SD DVD version. "Mirror, Mirror" comes to mind. The fight scene in sick bay right after Sulu and his friends come in. It's pretty comical. :p


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Part 1, nice color enhancement. Even transmissions from Talos were improved. The view astern-a nice touch.

I was watching last night in digital-SD. Looked near-HD; you could actually read what was written in a folder Kirk had lying on a table (Capt. Pike episode). Or maybe it was readable years ago in analog and I never noticed.

Even the Simpsons mention the updated CGI editions.

Reception on TV Land unfortunately is not nearly as good as G4 Tech TV; too much ghosting. You'd think that broadcast over digital cable (even SD) wouldn't have this problem, but I guess TV Land's TWC feed is still using old technology. Ahh well!

Volsh; I can't understand your ghosting problem over TWC. Ghosting is an OTA analog problem, afaik. But tonight we'll see a poker move.

I heard Xbox 360 owners have a pay service and the HD versions are available. Has anyone seen them?

Corbormite Manuever is very clean and breakaway from 1st Federation ship nice. Still don't like edits.

I heard Xbox 360 owners have a pay service and the HD versions are available. Has anyone seen them?
I had to see it - so I just paid for the Space Seed ep on Xbox marketplace, and spent some time comparing it to the remastered version of the same ep that I had captured from KNBC HD.

In summary:

The HD version available on the Xbox marketplace (XHD) is incrementally better than the remastered broadcast version (OTA), but not a good deal for the consumer.

In detail:

The xbox marketplace has 28 eps of ST:TOS available in SD right now, and 7 of those also available in HD. All the HD eps have already been aired remastered, but not all that have been aired are available yet. They seem to be pretty much following the production schedule - all 28 are early eps.

The XHD version of Space Seed is 720p and 2.3 GB. It cost $3 in "points" and can only be downloaded to the device that made the purchase, then it can be played back as long as retained (or re-downloaded) on that console or streamed (not copied) to another x360 console locally. It took 90 minutes to download over a broadband link that typically delivers 250-500 kB (big B, that's bytes) per second, but the console was able to start playback while still downloading. It is a few seconds short of 50 minutes long. Playback was smooth in the forward direction, pause and skip OK, but when I tried to rewind it didn't work and once threw me out with an error message that the content was unplayable. I play it over HD component video to a 2.5yo Sony LCD RPTV with a native res of 1366x768, a good but not great HDTV with some notable weaknesses in black and dark scenes, but on which I am able to see dramatic differences between SD DVD, HD cable movies, and HD DVD.

The OTA version is 1080i and a bit over 5GB, captured from cable box as a native transport stream over firewire, then converted to mpeg PS file in the process of cutting ads (no re-encode). I play it back on the same TV though its DVI input using an MDP-130 board on the PC.

When comparing it's hard to match frames exactly since neither player has frame advance, but I got "really close" by pausing in the middle of scenes where the camera position was stable.

As I noted some time ago, the OTA version when viewed on a wide screen is about 8% wider than DVD as it includes the horizontal overscan. The bulk of the XHD is ~the same (it looks about 1% wider than the OTA, but I think this is a playback artifact) - it appears that we get the same picture, a bit wider than DVD, in both. The big difference is that in the XHD (only) the CG "exterior" shots are full 16:9 width (although, at 720p, I see jaggies in the outline of the Enterprise!). This seems nice at the moment one is watching a 16:9 wide starfield and Enterprise, etc., but very odd to then jump to Enterprise interior and back to a 13:9 pillarbox interior shot. So overall I did not find this difference to be an advantage to the XHD (tho I think I may like it more as it becomes more familiar).

In closeup scenes the OTA (that's right, the broadcast version) has a clear advantage in detail and sharpness. In mid- and distant- shots the XHD is distinctly clearer and has more detail. The OTA is noticeably darker. Overall the XHD is more pleasant to watch. And of course, it has the ~6 minutes deleted out of the OTA. In previous side-by-side comparison (on a different ep, DVD vs. OTA) I saw little that seemed important in what they cut, but clearly this can vary by ep. For instance in Space Seed there is an early scene in Lt. McGiver's quarters that provides an important perspective on her character - which is clipped from the OTA.

Overall I see value in the XHD version - I would rather watch it. But it's not a "stop the presses" degree of difference. Here's the likelihood that I'll pay $3/ep for more them on the xbox marketplace: 0.0! (Lock into playback on a single physical device that is prone to frying! - producer's dream, consumer's nightmare!) Put six of them on an HD-DVD, and sell the whole set for $120 - that I'll buy. Until then - the greater part of the value of the re-mastering effort is available in the broadcast syndicated version.

I read two were hd, but I'd take the OTA without the "clips". In Space Seed one sentence was deleted from Khan's and McCoy's patient confrontation: Coratic artery. And that's a great post. I'll take a chance and buy a view in any case. Thanks.

Corbormite Manuever is very clean and breakaway from 1st Federation ship nice. Still don't like edits.

Yeah they hacked it pretty good. 1 edit I noticed was when Kirk left sickbay and called up to the bridge for an update. They left that part out and skipped right to him in his quarters..

I almost put this in a new thread, but this seems relevant to the last few posts here. I just noticed TitanTV lists the evening episodes of ST TOS on TVLAND as being 90 minutes long. I wonder if that means they're showing the original version that's not edited for additional commercials. I realize all the hype now is about the remastered episodes with the new cgi and all, and what they've done is really cool, but it really bugs me that they have to chop them down so they can shoehorn them into an hour timeslot. As others have noted, it really screws with the continuity. I think I'd almost rather watch the original uncut version, cheesy effects and all, over the edited new version. I can only hope that whoever starts showing them in HD, they do it justice by showing the whole episode.

90 minute episodes??? At most 50 ish minutes, without commercials. Like you, I would prefer an SD uncut version. But I don't think there has ever been an "official" uncut version. We're subject to the whims of those "in control". Last weekends "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was sweetened by the cgi of the edge of the galaxy. Wink Of An Eye by the sweeping phaser fire. There's always a chance. I'll keep watching.

Doomsday Machine very sweet. Edits are disappointing.

Doomsday Machine very sweet. Edits are disappointing.

Yea Doomsday Machine along with The Tholian Web are probably my 2 favorite Star Trek episodes. It doesn't air until Sunday night at midnight out her in LA. I'am looking forward to seeing it.

Hi! Just found this thread.

The planet-eating cornucopia was one of the episodes I vividly remember from the original airing, it was very dramatic (for a kid). I like the new fly-by scene of the Enterprise attacking. Question: the scene w/ the Constellation in tow below the Enterprise, was that in the original?

Hi! Just found this thread.

The planet-eating cornucopia was one of the episodes I vividly remember from the original airing, it was very dramatic (for a kid). I like the new fly-by scene of the Enterprise attacking. Question: the scene w/ the Constellation in tow below the Enterprise, was that in the original?

Yes it was in the original uncut version. It's only a one or two second shot so they usually edit it out whenever they rebroadcast it on TV.

"Doomsday Machine" was probably one of the most special effects oriented episodes of the entire original series. There was a lot to upgrade (the machine itself, the wrecked Constellation, the phaser battle, the flybys, the launch of the shuttlecraft, etc.) that I think was handled well.

There isn't much to do with planet-oriented episodes (those that were shot on a set or did location shooting), like "Amok Time" that's coming up next.