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Excellent news

I intend this to be a valide question:
Where are they getting the bandwidth for these channels? Are they deleting channels? Did E* have extra space? Are they going in place of DNS? Is E* compressing channels more now?

They got the room from purchasing Voom (for 61.5 slot) and 129 was vacant.

I guess CSN-MA must be a RSN for some 129 market. Likey southeast area.

I intend this to be a valide question:
Where are they getting the bandwidth for these channels? Are they deleting channels? Did E* have extra space? Are they going in place of DNS? Is E* compressing channels more now?

10 of the channels will timeshare 1 transponder on 129, and 5 of the channels will timeshare 1 transponder on 61.5..

Apperently each transponder has 4 video feeds, so they will be maxed out at 4 feeds per time slot...In other words if theres 5 HD games at 7:30 on a given night, someone will not be seeing their HD RSN that night...

are these available to all who subscribe to MLB extra innings or is it spotbeamed to each market. I live in the Braves area in Alabama but D* doesn't spotbeam that to us even though Charter carried the hdtv feeds last year. D* isn't doing any of the Indians games and all home games are in HDTV.

are these available to all who subscribe to MLB extra innings or is it spotbeamed to each market. I live in the Braves area in Alabama but D* doesn't spotbeam that to us even though Charter carried the hdtv feeds last year. D* isn't doing any of the Indians games and all home games are in HDTV.
I'm curious to hear that answer as well. I am anxiously awaiting the first carrier that carries all or at least most of the HD games available on their center ice or extra innings package.

I'm curious to hear that answer as well. I am anxiously awaiting the first carrier that carries all or at least most of the HD games available on their center ice or extra innings package.

That would be where I will switch to. I am tired of all these games being shown in HD and never getting to see my team in HD. But I over way for overcompressed SD games. :)

Sigh....Dish continues to build their HD mountain higher and higher while we stuck with D* due to the Sunday Ticket watch as others open their HD gifts with joy....

Back to watching CD USA....

Dish also uplinked placeholders for NHLHD and NBAHD so I suspect that Center Ice and whatever the Basketball package is called will have their games available.

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WOO-HOO!!!!

Great news!

1. When will they go live?
2. Will those that subscribe to a SD RSN automatically get the HD version?

No NESN I see. If they add that I'll switch after football season is over.

No NESN I see. If they add that I'll switch after football season is over.

I would assume since NESN is pretty much fulltime HD, they'll have to add it on its own dedicated channel. Hopefully sooner than later :)

There were 4 placeholders put up for Center Ice HD and NBA league pass HD. I'm assuming they will carry as many of these games as possible in HD.

Since there is no official word on any of this yet, no idea of pricing, availability, or what not. Rumor has it next week there will be announcements :).

Apperently each transponder has 4 video feeds, so they will be maxed out at 4 feeds per time slot ....

LOL ... and so it begins, just as I, the non-Swanni, predicted ...

Just an FYI ... this works out to about 10Mbps (average) available to each of the four feeds ... E* fans better hope there's some spotbeaming (or working MPEG4) going on here.

LOL ... and so it begins, just as I, the non-Swanni, predicted ...

Just an FYI ... this works out to about 10Mbps (average) available to each of the four feeds ... E* fans better hope there's some spotbeaming (or working MPEG4) going on here.

Working MPEG-4 is what Im hoping for.. Most these RSN's are 720p, and from what Ive seen on my Atlanta HD LIL's the 720p MPEG-4's look pretty damn good..

LOL ... and so it begins, just as I, the non-Swanni, predicted ...

Just an FYI ... this works out to about 10Mbps (average) available to each of the four feeds ... E* fans better hope there's some spotbeaming (or working MPEG4) going on here.

No spotbeaming and no h.264. It will be interesting to see what the quality it like. I'm sure it can't look any worse than D* hd-lite :).

LOL ... and so it begins, just as I, the non-Swanni, predicted ...

Just an FYI ... this works out to about 10Mbps (average) available to each of the four feeds ... E* fans better hope there's some spotbeaming (or working MPEG4) going on here.


I don't know what equipment Dish uses but Tandberg just announced their second gen mpeg-4 encoders. They claim they can compress full res hd to 9 mbits. Of course claims are like fluffy clouds they look nice but there's little substance to them.

It would be interesting to see just how far they can realistically go with them.

No spotbeaming and no h.264. It will be interesting to see what the quality it like. I'm sure it can't look any worse than D* hd-lite :).

h.264 is MPEG-4? Youre saying its all going to be done in MPEG-2 then?

Can't look any worse than D*'s HD-lite?

I wish that were true.

E*'s HD is getting worse by the month. I have been aghast at the poor PQ of some recent movies. A recent airing of "Army of Darkness" had so much macro-blocking that the resultant image quality was worse than DVD.

h.264 is MPEG-4? Youre saying its all going to be done in MPEG-2 then?

Currently they are mpeg2 transports, only available to ViP receivers. Although that could change by the time they are released to subscribers. Although, this would be the first time we've ever seen them change from mpeg2->mpeg4 after the channel has been uplinked.

LOL ... and so it begins, just as I, the non-Swanni, predicted ...

Just an FYI ... this works out to about 10Mbps (average) available to each of the four feeds ... E* fans better hope there's some spotbeaming (or working MPEG4) going on here.

They will have to get their MPEG4 working before opening up those many HD feeds to the subs, there is no way MPEG2 can cut it.

What a best way to lure many subs into upgrading to VIP boxes.

They will have to get their MPEG4 working before opening up those many HD feeds to the subs, there is no way MPEG2 can cut it.

What a best way to lure many subs into upgrading to VIP boxes.

They already doing that by flagging the mpeg-2 as VIP only. If you want the stream even if it's mpeg-2 you need a VIP.

They already doing that by flagging the mpeg-2 as VIP only. If you want the stream even if it's mpeg-2 you need a VIP.

They have to USE the mpeg4 compression, not just mpeg2 with mpeg4 flag in order to have enough room to actually deliver decent HD content at such a large quantity.

I hope their shortage or testing of MPEG4 equipment is over so true mpeg4 HD can begin.

The MPEG4 encoders are still not where they need to be yet, which is why only Starz HD and NFL HD are in true MPEG4 (as far as national channels go)

I heard they are waiting for the next generation encoder, which I am hearing finally offers some bandwidth savings, however this bandwidth saving is no where near where they would like it to be.

They have to USE the mpeg4 compression, not just mpeg2 with mpeg4 flag in order to have enough room to actually deliver decent HD content at such a large quantity.



and there's the rub. OUR definition of decent HD content and their definition so far is vastly different.

So if you sub to the Multisport package would you get all these in HD?

Great news!

1. When will they go live?
2. Will those that subscribe to a SD RSN automatically get the HD version?Or will we have to subscribe to the Silver Package, which gives you the HD Pack and the Top 120 SD's, which normally includes the SD version (if available)?

In other words - how will it be offered?

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Comcast Sports Net West - in HD?
Directv may be about to lose a long time customer...

So if you sub to the Multisport package would you get all these in HD?

Probably not.. the guess at this point is that the HD will be for events only since most of the RSN's aren't doing full time HD. Since events are usually blacked out out of market, multi sport isn't going to help.

That said, it still remains to be seen what happens.

Great News!! Now the question is when will they go active? Perhaps, together with inHD?

Scott over at SatGuys seems to think the RSN's will be released next week either after Charlie Chat or as an announcement at CEDIA

I expect the RSNs will be available to those who have a HD metal package with a local RSN or with the RSN sports package. Blackout rules still will likely apply. We do know it has to be a HD metal package because of the VIP receiver requirement to see the signal.

I really don't expect any additional charge to be done for these channels because I am guessing that Dish was able to add these channels under their existing contract with Fox Sports (I really don't expect any new contracts with Fox during this low period between Dish and Fox). Typically a customer is watching either a HD or SD -- so it is the same viewer in terms of cost per subscriber I am thinking.

I felt this was similar to TNT-HD, ESPNHD and ESPN2HD (not sure if they actually charged extra from the SD version per subscriber to systems). Again, why I think this channel was added so quickly to systems.

Rasheed

I don't know to much about that stuff. but does that mean I can get HD Distants now?

9970 KABC, 5845 KABC - Tp 10 ConUS beam on EchoStar 5 at 129w i hope :confused:

Will these FSN HD event broadcasts be spotbeamed? It wasn't clear from the posts above.

Jack

they aren't spot beamed.

They have 4 feeds up to serve the 11 channels on 129

and they have 3 feeds to serve the 6 channels on 61.5

Thanks bgall. Question, if I subscribe to NHL Center Ice and my team's game (FSN Bay Area) is broadcast in HD, will I then receive that broadcast? I now live in the FSN West(LA) area. Seems like tha answer is yes because of your spotbeam answer but I'll ask anyway. If this is the case I'll probably make the switch to Dish.

Jack

if you live in the home market for the team you want to watch you don't need nhl center ice to see them in HD. you'll get that with the RSNs

Does anyone know which nhl teams are covered by these channels? I may add Dish if there are lots of western conference cities in that list.

I'll answer my own question:

CSNWS - None
ALTUD - Colorado Avalanche
FOXAZ - Phoenix Coyotes
FOXSW - Dallas Stars
FOXW - La Kings
FOXBA - SJ Sharks
CSNMA - Washington Capitols
FOXNW - none
CSNCH - none
FOXN - Minnesota Wild - maybe
MSG - Rangers
FSNY - Devils/Islanders
FOXS - Hurricanes
SUN - Lightning
FOXNE - none

Does anyone know which nhl teams are covered by these channels? I may add Dish if there are lots of western conference cities in that list.

You would only have acess to the sports from your own regional sports network. Lots of western conference cities wouldn't help you unless you got the Center Ice package. It looks like they'll be expanding the HD offerings for both the NHL and NBA package.

You would only have acess to the sports from your own regional sports network. Lots of western conference cities wouldn't help you unless you got the Center Ice package. It looks like they'll be expanding the HD offerings for both the NHL and NBA package.
I was curious for the purpose of adding Dish just to subscribe to center ice, and it would be worth it to me if a substantial number of games are in HD.

I live outside my regional sports network but haven't told D* that I moved four years ago. That's why I asked about spot beaming. I do not currently get the HD broadcasts for the Giants, Sharks, and Warriors because D* is spot beaming that coverage, I think. I did subscibe to Center Ice this past season and did get the games that FSN carried. However, I was blacked out on the games that FSN Bay Area didn't carry but were carried by the opponents network. If the puzzle is telling me what I think it is then if I switch to Dish, locate my coverage to FSN West, and subscribe to Center Ice, then I will get any FSN Bay Area Sharks HD game that will fit on the transponder on those nights. Right?

Jack

It does not appear that Dish is spotbeaming its HD RSNs at this time. Also, because Dish does offer a multiple RSN package, it is unlikely they would spotbeam the RSNs (but of course, blackouts would apply based on your Dish-listed account address).

There are likely to be some local HD sport events that are not blackout-related that would be useful to watch on an out of region RSN if you subscribe to a multiple RSN package. I am not sure what those are exactly yet (aside perhaps from a few possible college events).

Rasheed

Anyone know if FSN AZ broadcasts Suns games in HD?

Sun Sports and FSN Florida share their HD channel on most cable systems.

So I expect SUN to actually be FSN Florida & Sun Sports HD which would mean Marlins, Devil Rays, Panthers, Lightning, and Magic games in HD as they are scheduled without conflicts from what I can tell.

Sun Sports and FSN Florida share their HD channel on most cable systems.

So I expect SUN to actually be FSN Florida & Sun Sports HD which would mean Marlins, Devil Rays, Panthers, Lightning, and Magic games in HD as they are scheduled without conflicts from what I can tell.

I was actually asking if the Phoenix Suns (basketball team) games would be in HD?

I was actually asking if the Phoenix Suns (basketball team) games would be in HD?
oh....sorry

I would think that FSNAZ would air their Suns, D-Backs, and Coyotes games in HD on Dish as they would on Cox or DirecTV.

I would assume since NESN is pretty much fulltime HD, they'll have to add it on its own dedicated channel. Hopefully sooner than later :)

There were 4 placeholders put up for Center Ice HD and NBA league pass HD. I'm assuming they will carry as many of these games as possible in HD.

Since there is no official word on any of this yet, no idea of pricing, availability, or what not. Rumor has it next week there will be announcements :).

Though Comcast Sports Net Chicago (on the list) is also fulltime HD (I think it is getting it's own channel on D*)

I'll answer my own question:

CSNWS - None
ALTUD - Colorado Avalanche
FOXAZ - Phoenix Coyotes
FOXSW - Dallas Stars
FOXW - La Kings
FOXBA - SJ Sharks
CSNMA - Washington Capitols
FOXNW - none
CSNCH - none
FOXN - Minnesota Wild - maybe
MSG - Rangers
FSNY - Devils/Islanders
FOXS - Hurricanes
SUN - Lightning
FOXNE - none

CSNCH should have about 4 Blackhawks HD games. They'd do all the home games if possible, but unfortunately, the Blackhawks have one of the worst owners in sports (His reasoning on not showing home games was 'newspaper companies don't give away their paper for free', What?!?)

Rumor is they will be turned on this Wendesday according to Satguys. :)

Rumor is they will be turned on this Wendesday according to Satguys. :)

No sign of FSN North yet (as of 3:00pm CST anyway). Will it just appear in my guide or how does that work? Sorry if that's a dumb question.

:)

Rumor is they will be turned on this Wendesday according to Satguys. :)

The recent Sat guys rumors have not panned out. Everything is still uplinked but the last two days have not gone as Scott thought (so far). With CEDIA starting some news will come along soon.

I'm hoping for NESN-HD as well in the not too distant future

Although I saw FSN West on the list, I didn't see FSN PrimeTicket. Would be nice to incorporate that channel as well.

Although I saw FSN West on the list, I didn't see FSN PrimeTicket. Would be nice to incorporate that channel as well.
It's the same channel (I currently receive it via TWC). They only recently started referring to it as two to match up with the NTSC channels.

The MPEG4 encoders are still not where they need to be yet, which is why only Starz HD and NFL HD are in true MPEG4 (as far as national channels go)

I heard they are waiting for the next generation encoder, which I am hearing finally offers some bandwidth savings, however this bandwidth saving is no where near where they would like it to be.

So, Scott, the much reported 50% bandwidth saving of MPEG4 is fictional?

Also, isn't StarzHD true MPEG4? If it's MPEG2, why can't MyHD play it?

I'm hoping for NESN-HD as well in the not too distant future

Same here NESNHD just announced that the Bruins will have 70 games in HD out of 82 for the season only one will not be HD, the other 11 are national game HD games on NBC and Versus. Each game will have 1hr pregame in HD, and aleast another 1hr postgame in HD after the game.
Plus new hockey related shows in HD during the week. So out of all the Redsox and Bruins home & away games this year only 1 will not be HD, wow even ESPN can't do that.

Same here NESNHD just announced that the Bruins will have 70 games in HD out of 82 for the season only one will not be HD, the other 11 are national game HD games on NBC and Versus. Each game will have 1hr pregame in HD, and aleast another 1hr postgame in HD after the game.
Plus new hockey related shows in HD during the week. So out of all the Redsox and Bruins home & away games this year only 1 will not be HD, wow even ESPN can't do that.
Well ESPN doesn't haven't local baseball or hockey rights. NESN is raising the bar for RSN's. ESPN is not an RSN.

So, Scott, the much reported 50% bandwidth saving of MPEG4 is fictional? So far there is barely any savings of bandwidth with MPEG4, however new encoders are coming which finally shows them some bandwidth savings.

Also, isn't StarzHD true MPEG4? If it's MPEG2, why can't MyHD play it? Yes StarHD is MPEG4 as is NFLDHD (Off of 61.5 and 129) however off of 110 its MPEG2.

We learned on Saturday Night that there is a software issue which is keeping Dish from launching the HD sports channels. They are working quickly to get the problem fixed.

We learned on Saturday Night that there is a software issue which is keeping Dish from launching the HD sports channels. They are working quickly to get the problem fixed.

Thanks for the update Scott. Did they give a hint as to when they hope the RSN's will go live?

I was only told "As soon as possible"

Thanks again. I can live with that answer from E* knowing that they're working on the issue.

I don't mean to derail but...any news on INHD?

Well ESPN doesn't haven't local baseball or hockey rights. NESN is raising the bar for RSN's. ESPN is not an RSN.

But they have right for other sports like College BB and can't even do the Conn game down the street in HD.

But they have right for other sports like College BB and can't even do the Conn game down the street in HD.

So you are now comparing ESPN college basketball coverage from last season to NESN's hockey coverage of the upcoming season. Without knowing anything about ESPN's college basketball plans for 2006-07. Why? Looks like you are holding a grudge about a UCONN game you didn't get to see in HD.

But they have right for other sports like College BB and can't even do the Conn game down the street in HD.

Also what does it matter where the event is? Does the whole country have to watch UCONN sports all year because they are just down the road? You seem confused about the role of NESN and ESPN. ESPN has nothing to do with your local sports.

So far there is barely any savings of bandwidth with MPEG4, however new encoders are coming which finally shows them some bandwidth savings.

I noticed when I recorded the MPEG4 that they seemed just as large as similar length MPEG2 films. Glad to hear they are making progress.

Also what does it matter where the event is? Does the whole country have to watch UCONN sports all year because they are just down the road? You seem confused about the role of NESN and ESPN. ESPN has nothing to do with your local sports.

No, we have to watch Big East game after Big East game on ESPN. More than 100 of them as I recall.

I mean how can NESN with one truck provide at least 1 sporting event in HD a day, while ESPN with way more truck can go 2-3 days withoutany, but I know then they'll have 5 or 6 all in the same day.

I only used Conn has an example since it's the closest big name to them and last year they were more times in SD then HD.

So back on topic Scott when is the next list of RSNs for E* going to be release? Hopefully soon, but I have a feeling it will only be at CES 2007.

I don't mean to derail but...any news on INHD? INHD is just now a paperwork issue. The ruling just came out from the court last week which now lets them proceed.

I can't wait to see it. I know it is currently running at a full 1920 x 1080 resolution.

I mean how can NESN with one truck provide at least 1 sporting event in HD a day, while ESPN with way more truck can go 2-3 days withoutany, but I know then they'll have 5 or 6 all in the same day.

I only used Conn has an example since it's the closest big name to them and last year they were more times in SD then HD.

So back on topic Scott when is the next list of RSNs for E* going to be release? Hopefully soon, but I have a feeling it will only be at CES 2007.


What do you propose ESPN/ESPN2 cover in HD they don't?

College football Thursday; college football Friday, five football games Saturday, (and two ABC regional games) and Monday Night Football.

In addition there is (just this week) Sunday Night Baseball, Wednesday Night baseball, and Thursday Night baseball.

So what, exactly, is your complaint?

INHD is just now a paperwork issue. The ruling just came out from the court last week which now lets them proceed.

I can't wait to see it. I know it is currently running at a full 1920 x 1080 resolution.
The live events usually look great.

So how is the paperwork going? Any new news?

I heard that they stopped uplinking INHD.

Be surprised if MSG and FSNY would be available in HD...Cablevision owns both channels and so far refuses to provide the HD signals to D*TV ("only on cable")....

Be surprised if MSG and FSNY would be available in HD...Cablevision owns both channels and so far refuses to provide the HD signals to D*TV ("only on cable")....

You know, that was what occurred to me as well....however, I recall in the uplink report that these two channels WERE in fact uplinked. Perhaps things have changed with Cablevision, but I hadn't heard anything.

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I sure wish they'd hurrry this up.

Well I see D* has added some more HD-LiL City's as well as more RSN's. If you want sports that bad then E* is not the place.

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Thanks (and I saw this already), but unfortunately no one has actually SEEN these channels, have they??? :confused:

I agree but I don't think E* could even UPLINK them if CV was still claiming MSG-HD and FSN-HD as "cable exclusives".

What about Fox Sports Midwest? (FSN-MW)

I am getting the new SXRD 60' any day now and want to get hd satellite. Which provider has the best HD picture. I'm not concerned about cost but quality. I will also add that my interest is with movies and entertainment other than sports. Thanks in advance for your input.

Verizon FIOS is considered the best,
Then likely your Cable Companies HD offering,
Then Dish Network which has some Full Resolution and some reduced resolution HD channels.
And finally DirectTV which has HD channels which are all at reduced resolution.

Dish has the largest lineup of HD channels
Cable systems vary from location to location, so you'll have to check out yours and see what they have.
DirectTV has NFL:Sunday Ticket games in HD, but they have to drop a regular HD channel during that time to show the NFL games.

Good luck.

Verizon FIOS is not offered in my area :( I will look into cable. I wish they did have verizon optical here. I have Bell South DSL which is the only provider here and they are lousy. They break up dsl into 4 levels (at different price points) whereas the highest level is essentially basic dsl that I used to get from verizon at a higher cost of course. They have no competition here in Paris, Ky so they can do whatever they want and so they have decided to rip-off the consumer. Thanks for your input.

I am getting the new SXRD 60' any day now and want to get hd satellite. Which provider has the best HD picture. I'm not concerned about cost but quality. I will also add that my interest is with movies and entertainment other than sports. Thanks in advance for your input.

I second CycloneGT's recommendation.

Before I saw it I was going to say that if you're interested mainly in movies then cable might be your best bet. Even my local cable provider Cablevision (LI), as restricted as their channel offering are, has a much better selection of movie channels than either D* or E*. As well, HD over cable is often better quality than either satellite service.

Good Luck.

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Well I see D* has added some more HD-LiL City's as well as more RSN's. If you want sports that bad then E* is not the place.

If you want HD, D* is not the place, unless you like overpriced watered down dvd quality "HD".

If you want HD, D* is not the place, unless you like overpriced watered down dvd quality "HD".

As I said for sports D* has it all over E*. But I know what you mean on other HD programming. If I was a Hokie fan I would not care about football either. :D

When are these channels going to be available? What channels will they be on? Since 4 HD channels will be shared among a greater number of RSNs, what will the channel numbers be?

Next week the USC vs Washington game will be on FSN West. I hope Dish Network gets their act going so it is available to me in HD. Actually I will be at the game but I DVR it to rehash the fine points.

I had to watch the USC vs Washington State game in SD. My first SD football in quite a while. You know, you can not read the player numbers when the broadcast is SD. It really sucks.

Rick R

Verizon FIOS is considered the best,
Then likely your Cable Companies HD offering,
Then Dish Network which has some Full Resolution and some reduced resolution HD channels.
And finally DirectTV which has HD channels which are all at reduced resolution.

Dish has the largest lineup of HD channels
Cable systems vary from location to location, so you'll have to check out yours and see what they have.
DirectTV has NFL:Sunday Ticket games in HD, but they have to drop a regular HD channel during that time to show the NFL games.

Good luck.

Agree on this. Except that since Cable HD offerings are not uniform accross the nation you may find some areas where cable is below DBS . Check your local area for input from users of your cable company.

And don't forget about good ol' OTA :D

I would love my local sports in HD, these are currently unavailable to be with my 811 receiver and standard HDPak programming.

I see that these RSN in HD are on satelites 61.5 and 129. What receiver is needed to view these, and do you need any special program package to view these channel?

I just bought a new HDTV and I was all set to upgrade to an E* VIP 622 and get a metal package, but then I read in this thread that E* does not carry NESNHD. Thats a deal breaker for me. Anyone hear any rumors that its coming online soon, someday or never? I have FIOS available in my town but they too have no NESNHD. Looks like if I want NESNHD, Comcast is my only choice.

The RSN's in HD could be up as early as next week for CES. Dish network as been saying Quarter 1, 2006.

Thanks!
Then I'll hold off for now until CES is underway.

I have had a Hitachi Ultravision for some time but no HD feed as DirecTV has not come through with the stations I thought would be online by now. It looks like those feeds are a year away. So the Dish installer will be here in a couple of days to hook me up and this afternoon I read where DirecTV is making a move. Am I making a mistake going Dish? They gave a reasonable package for new installs but I don't want to regret it in 10 months. Any advice?

What stations are you waiting for?

Update for those of you waiting for HD RSN's from E*: They announced yesterday at their press conference that the HD RSN's have not been lit up yet because there's, "not enough content." They went on to say that they would be available, "in 2007."

Doesn't look like we'll see HD RSN's from E* for quite some time.

I think the issue is that the RSN's are hoping to extract 2 or 3 or more dollars extra per month per Dish sub for each of the 1 or 2 RSN channels in HD. Charlie won't go for that. I am pretty sure he'd have to raise prices, and one of the big reasons why they passed 13 million subs this year is lower than cable pricing. I think dish does a good job of holding the line on costs and the savings are passed to the subs. Unfortunately, for me, the big draw to HD is Sports, so I will have to switch to Comcast like it or not.

Maybe Dish should rethink what most people want in HD content and come to the realization that Live Sports is the big driver, not 40 year old Bruce Lee movies or 50 year old Godzilla Vs. Megalon.

Update for those of you waiting for HD RSN's from E*: They announced yesterday at their press conference that the HD RSN's have not been lit up yet because there's, "not enough content." They went on to say that they would be available, "in 2007."

Doesn't look like we'll see HD RSN's from E* for quite some time.
If they aren’t happy with the current content, then it will be a long time until we see this in HD. CSNMA will have 15 pro/college basketball and hockey games in HD during January, and it won’t be long until baseball comes into play. How many people does E* think will tune into the NFL Network in May to watch replays of the NFL season? Heck, so much of their network revolves around a studio that doesn’t even broadcast in HD. If they can broadcast that network, which I like, they can surely add CSN. I don’t know how much money the NFL is throwing their way, but at least CSN has year-round live action.

So what happened to that "software issue" Dish claimed to Scott (back in post #60) was the problem back in September?

You know, the glitch it promised it was "working quickly" to get fixed?

I think the issue is that the RSN's are hoping to extract 2 or 3 or more dollars extra per month per Dish sub for each of the 1 or 2 RSN channels in HD. Charlie won't go for that. I am pretty sure he'd have to raise prices, and one of the big reasons why they passed 13 million subs this year is lower than cable pricing. I think dish does a good job of holding the line on costs and the savings are passed to the subs.Dish's prices are going up next month.

Dish's prices are going up next month.

...to cover legal expenses accrued throughout 2006...

figures...

Update for those of you waiting for HD RSN's from E*: They announced yesterday at their press conference that the HD RSN's have not been lit up yet because there's, "not enough content."
That's a fact, we finally got FSNBA-HD on my Comcast system recently and it's nothing but the spinning FSN-HD logo for over 95% of the time.

Negotiations and the like aside, is there a reason why E* can’t give us CSN now? If they are waiting for those other RSN’s to catch-up to CSN and bundle the whole package, hell will freeze over before we see any of this.

The only regional sports network I watch is the Fox Sports West. Fox has several of my USC Trojan games. I would really like to see them in HD but now there are no more games until September.

Rick R

Forgetting for the monent about the promised RSNs which now won't be appearing for a while. So what about that "paperwork issue" keeping InHD off of Dish?

Accoridnd got Scott is was "running" back on Sept. 18th. But it still isn't up.

How does Dish keep getting a pass? Comcast wouldn't. Time Warner wouldn't. DirecTV certainly doesn't.

What allows Dish execs to continually lie even to Scott Greczkowski and no one calls them on it?

I wonder if Scott's posts/leaks were responsible for us NOT seeing any of these channels?