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ftaok

11-25-07, 09:24 AM

Steffi would be a good choice. I'm still lobbying for any one of the following:

Gulbis
Creamer
Misty May (or May's partner Walsh???)
Wacholder (sp?)

or how about Marion Jones, I understand she's available... ;) :D

I thought about Gulbis, but the LPGA season is so long and goes through both seasons of DWTS. Same for Creamer.

May-Treanor/Walsh would be unlikely for this upcoming season as they are no doubt preparing for the 2008 Olympics.

No idea who Wacholder is.

As for Jones, I'd love to see that. She was one of my favorites, but I'm sure they would never put her on TV ever again.

Some other female athletes that would be good choices are:

Hingis - but the drug problems/accusations are not good.
Kournikova - no doubt that she would go far - at least to the latin round.
Taurisi (sp?) - she's a point guard in the WNBA.
Wendy Lee Ann Williams - Olympic diver from way back
Summer Sanders - Olympic Swimmer
Janet Evans/Amanda Beard - also swimmers
Picabo Street - skiier

ft

archiguy

11-25-07, 10:43 AM

Mac The Knife

11-25-07, 02:32 PM

I thought about Gulbis, but the LPGA season is so long and goes through both seasons of DWTS. Same for Creamer.

Yeah, Gulbis would have been a good choice this season since she missed a lot of matches due to back problems. Wei would have been a good choice too since she missed a lot of matches due to her wrist. Annika also missed a bunch this year (and her body is looking better than it did in her 20's).
But all of them are expected to be healthy next season. :(

May-Treanor/Walsh would be unlikely for this upcoming season as they are no doubt preparing for the 2008 Olympics.

No idea who Wacholder is.

Wacholder (Rachel iirc her first name correctly) is another volleyballer. She's played with a bunch of different partners and is one of the very few that have beaten May/Walsh in a finals match.

....

Some other female athletes that would be good choices are:

Hingis - but the drug problems/accusations are not good.
Kournikova - no doubt that she would go far - at least to the latin round.
Taurisi (sp?) - she's a point guard in the WNBA.
Wendy Lee Ann Williams - Olympic diver from way back
Summer Sanders - Olympic Swimmer
Janet Evans/Amanda Beard - also swimmers
Picabo Street - skiier

ft

There's some good choices in that list, especially Beard who has a great body and apparantly likes to get naked. So she wouldn't have any problem with some really skimpy costumes.

Mac The Knife

11-25-07, 02:36 PM

Kournikova is an absolute natural for this show. Certainly, she has all the "physical" requirements and her post tennis career could use the exposure (never camera shy, she), and it's a little publicized fact that the gig pays really well and that babe has expenses. Have no doubt, we will be someday soon be debating her mambo skills and begging for screen caps. She has the potential to be, dare I say it?, the second coming of Stacy Keebler (gads, did I really say that? :eek:)!

I think you might be getting a little ahead of yourself on that prediction. But I think Kournikova would be a good choice.

And who was that cute little Italian-American girl that played tennis in the 90's? Haven't seen her in a while, but she might be a good choice.

Mac The Knife

11-25-07, 02:41 PM

Another weird thing I noticed during Avril's songs:

There sure were a hell of lot of shots of the drummer during those songs. I've seen Phi Collins videos that had less shots of the drummer. :D

But in this case, instead of taking shots of the extremely cute front girl, the director is taking a bunch of shots of the drummer. :confused:

Mac The Knife

11-25-07, 02:43 PM

Can they find a guy tall enough for Walsh? But I like your thinking nonetheless.

I know she's really tall, but is she that much taller than Stacy?

You'd have to pair her with either Max or Tony and some dances would be a little ackward, but it can't be any worse than finding a partner for Clyde "the glide", right?

LL3HD

11-25-07, 02:53 PM

And who was that cute little Italian-American girl that played tennis in the 90's? Haven't seen her in a while, but she might be a good choice.
I don't know if you'd say she's cute, or little, but were you referring to Jennifer Capriati?

At least I can say, I know she is Italian-American.:cool:

http://www.bosnia.ba/public/photo/jennifer_capriati.jpg

Mac The Knife

11-25-07, 03:01 PM

Yeah that's her.

Looks like she's been hitting the steroids and HGH in that photo. I don't recall her being that heavily muscled back in the 90's.

IrmoGamecoq

11-26-07, 09:28 AM

I didn't think of Capriati, I figured Mac was speaking of Gabriella Sabatini, though she's not Italian-American (Argentinan). I'd like to see her on the show, she probably still looks pretty good for her age (late 30's). She didn't seem to be particularly graceful though.

Oh and Mac - Thanks again for sticking to that pic-hosting site!

LL3HD

11-26-07, 11:19 AM

'Dancing With the Stars' finalists prepare for biggest test

TV: Going into the finals, 'Dancing With the Stars' still hasn't answered the question:

12:00 AM CST on Monday, November 26, 2007

By TOM MAURSTAD Media Critic tmaurstad@dallasnews.com

Any sports championship would love to have the dueling-dynasties, anybody's-guess atmosphere going into the Dancing With the Stars finals tonight. In its fifth season, the drama and the conspiracy theories have been flying almost as fast as the dancers.

With a field that seemed stacked in the women's favor, many fans were convinced early on that the producers were determined to ensure a female winner after a run of male champs. But that theory was upended when the season's No. 1 ringer, Sabrina Bryan – a member of the song-and-dance pop group Cheetah Girls whom some message-board wags had dubbed "Cheater Girl" – was abruptly eliminated in midseason. Melanie Brown, a.k.a. Scary Spice, is now the banner-bearer of the Ringer Theory, but anyone who's ever seen a Spice Girls' video or performance knows that calling Mel B. a professional dancer based on her Spice Girls' experience is a bit of a stretch.

But all this has only served to feed the debate among fans of the show; namely, is Dancing With the Stars a dance competition among celebrities of varying popularity, or a popularity contest among celebrities with varying dance skills? Throughout the season, outcomes have supported either side of the argument.

On the dance-purist side, there is the surprising rise of Helio Castroneves, an Indy 500 champ with zero star status outside the racing world who has danced and charmed his way into the finals, and the unexpected fall of soap opera star Cameron Mathison who, despite his daytime-TV following, got voted off going into the semifinals. On the popularity-contest side, there is the continuing presence of Marie Osmond. As a dancer, she's a great celebrity. But week after week she's remained.

So who will win, and what will that say about the show? Will it be the ringer, proving the fix was in, or the inspired amateur? Will it be the best dancer or the most beloved star? We'll all know on Tuesday night.

Dancing With the Stars

7 tonight, 8 p.m. Tuesday on ABC (Channel 8)

Melanie Brown and Maksim Chmerkovskiy

Why they will win: Scarier and Scarier Spice may be the favorite to win. She's got a huge and devoted fan base, she has a popular partner in Maksim and she can dance, especially the high-energy numbers. She's scored a few perfect 30s.

Why they won't: Anti-pro backlash unites enough viewers to vote against her.

Helio Castroneves and Julianne Hough

Why they will win: Helio is the poster boy for this show's amateur premise – taking someone famous for something completely unrelated to dance and watching him get better every week. He's been unflaggingly charming and has proven he's good enough to dance with the pros. His electrifying pasodoble coming into the semifinals earned him a perfect score and bragging rights to maybe the best dance of the season.

Why they won't: Helio just doesn't have the built-in fan base that his bigger-celebrity competition does. He's not a Spice Girl, he wasn't on one of the most popular shows of the '90s and he hasn't spent a lifetime being a little bit country to his famous brother's little bit rock 'n' roll.

Marie Osmond and Jonathan Roberts

Why they will win: If she wins, it will confirm once and for all that this show is about personality and popularity, not dancing. But when it comes to drama and gripping back story, Marie is the unchallenged queen – first she fainted, then her father died, and now one of her sons has entered rehab.

Why they won't: Um, she can't dance all that much or all that well.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/stories/DN-dancing_1126gl.State.Edition1.36a54b3.html

humdinger70

11-26-07, 11:46 AM

If Marie wins, I think a lot of the conspiracy theorists will have a field day with speculation and rumors and whatnot. She has a very large fan base and the fact that the fan vote counts for half the score can definitely skew the totals her way.

It's not that she's a bad dancer, she really isn't a good dancer (in what the competition is about). I don't think anyone expected the things that happened to her (and also to Jane Seymour) would come up during the run of this season. Timing is everything, right?

Mac The Knife

11-26-07, 01:55 PM

Speaking as someone who has never taken the "competition" part of the show seriously, none of the previous "upsets" really bothered me. Even Stacy's loss only rankled a little bit.

But if Marie wins this, it will be the first time I'll be truely upset at the outcome.

/rant_on

I still contend that they could have both a better show and a better competition if they just make it a cumulative point system rather than the weekly single elimination format.

In my perfect world, they would accumulate judge and audience points for the first five weeks and instead of elimination shows, they would have two dance shows a week and all contestants would end up dancing all ten dances.

Then they would eliminate the bottom half of the field, reset the points to zero and the remaining contestants would do a dance picked by the judges and a freestyle dance each week.

Since the winner would be the determined by four or five weeks of scores, it should make it impossible for big upsets like Marie.

/rant_off

nashvillecat

11-26-07, 04:01 PM

Did anyone watch Larry King live last night? Mario Lopez was host. Apollo was also a guest.

Carry Anne said it best. The reason there are upsets is because the "fans" pick who they like, rather than who dances best. I would have to say that I think the fans are getting "tougher" and more knowledgeable about dancing, and prolly score based on performace, rather then how little the pro-dancers wear :)

nc

archiguy

11-26-07, 04:22 PM

I would have to say that I think the fans are getting "tougher" and more knowledgeable about dancing, and prolly score based on performace, rather then how little the pro-dancers wear :)

If that were the case, then Sabrina would still be in the "competition". No, they vote based on who they like, which is why treating it like a real competition is a joke. It would be hilarious if Marie Osmond won, and she has a real shot to do so. Of course, the show would then lose what little credibility it has left... but I wouldn't expect that to hurt its ratings in the least.

ursa99

11-26-07, 04:55 PM

Winner - Helio.

Why - He is the most out of his element and has come the furthest.

Mel - Love her personality but has a dance background so she has a leg up.

Marie - Great personality, can't dance but falls pretty good.

Nothing will surprise me when the votes are counted. I've noticed that in the finals the judges tend to step out of the way in giving all the couples very very close scores which will insure that the public will decide. Since that's the case and it seems to be, DWS is a popularity contest vs a Dance competition. (You must have seen American Idol which suffers from the same issue)

ursa

LL3HD

11-26-07, 04:58 PM

The reason there are upsets is because the "fans" pick who they like ...I disagree... sort of.

(IMO) The people who vote, do it with a strategy to get people off of the show and that’s why good dancers have unfortunately been booted off. They don't get the support from their fans.

I have used this approach since season one (the few times I voted :rolleyes:). It can back fire. As an example, if I think Sabrina is great and has it locked up I’m using my vote at the other end of the spectrum—between the two that I don't like and want off of the show. I then pick who I want gone more and hammer the other with votes. I believe many use this tactic explaining some of the upsets.

The support for the real favorite comes tonight. No more stupid strategy. Tonight is the time to just vote for who you like. And like, unfortunately, as you said, doesn’t necessarily mean-- like as a dancer.

LL3HD

11-26-07, 05:27 PM

Anyone else have a final pick?

My wife picked Mel from the first week. :cool:
At the beginning of the season (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11734977#post11734977) I picked my final three to be-Sabrina, Helio and Mel. :cool: I think my picks were pretty good. As another Larry would say-- PRET--TEE PRET-TEE Good. :D
Toss out Sabrina (late scratch) and I got the exacta. ;)

I have to go with Helio.

SowegaBowler

11-26-07, 06:42 PM

Unless she contracts "two-left-feet disease" at the last minute, I think Mel is going to win this one. She has the most talent, charm and personality of the final three.

It is definitely a surprise to see Marie in the finals; while she has had some flashes of brilliance, she is IMO still not as good a dancer as the other two, or even Sabrina (I would have rather seen her in the finals than Marie). Even Albert Reed was a better dancer than Marie-and he was sent packing in week 2.

RSF_LA

11-26-07, 06:53 PM

Marie needs a good rock song to dance to like the Rolling Stone's "Start Me Up".

juancmjr

11-27-07, 12:14 AM

Marie needs a good rock song to dance to like the Rolling Stone's "Start Me Up".
Funny you should say that RSF :D... For those of you who haven't seen it yet I won't spoil it for you but for Marie's 2nd routine... hmmm :confused:. Mel and Maks, really good. Helio and Julianne, very good, especially 2nd routine. But if Marie's fans make her the winner I believe we should all boycott the show.

TVOD

11-27-07, 12:29 AM

humdinger70

11-27-07, 02:21 AM

What were these people thinking? This is the time to put your best foot forward and be as technically perfect as possible (as well as entertaining!).

Scores in the 7 and 8 range in a final? Marie - you and Jonathan chose a weird time to go with the goofy wind-up doll bit.

Mel - you looked totally out of sync with Max tonight and your freestyle was, to put it bluntly, boring.

Helio - you jive was passable, but you definitely saved your butt with a good freestyle.

This was definitely one of the worst finals in the five seasons on the show. You should have done things to get 9s and 10s. Definitely not up to the Drew Lachey/Cheryl Burke standard from season 2.

Who wins? Unless Marie's fan base overwhelms the competition, I think Helio just stole it from Mel.

nashvillecat

11-27-07, 05:48 AM

ftaok

11-27-07, 07:32 AM

IrmoGamecoq

11-27-07, 08:17 AM

LL3HD

11-27-07, 08:46 AM

Also crazy is the size of Samantha's bazoombas. They're bigger than her head! :D They were like her secret weapons. I kept wondering why she was hiding them during the first half of the season. Once they debuted—she started scoring the big numbers… and her confidence has been unwavering.

I thought her first dance was good but Helio’s freestyle should take him through the finish line first.

And Marie with her wonking—“But this is what I do! I make Dolls!”
Boo whoo.

Ugh! Thank god she’s not a plumber. She would’ve been out there with her helper.

Edit... Sorry.. I just read your post again... I thought you meant Mel...

Lee L

11-27-07, 09:24 AM

I did not realize the whole connection with Marie and Dolls. I wonder if that also has something to do with her sucess, since that marks 3 very distinct groups of supporters she can count on.

jacksonian

11-27-07, 09:29 AM

Marie is all about self-promotion. I saw her in an interview on a good morning show talking about something serious (can't remember the cause), but she made sure to get a plug for herself and her home shopping stuff at the end. Not saying self-promotion is a bad thing, but it was in very bad taste on that occasion.

And I think she knew she wasn't going any further in this competition, so the doll thing was a blatant attempt at self-promotion again. I mean, seriously, it wasn't even a dance.

ursa99

11-27-07, 09:31 AM

RedSox04

11-27-07, 09:45 AM

Marie's freestyle was absolutely pathetic. An absolute disaster. Yet, the lowest score she got was a 7?

And Len said Helio's freestyle was "miles better than any other" yet it only got 1 point higher than the 2nd place (10 vs 9) Mel?

These scores are just crazy!

Also crazy is the size of Samantha's bazoombas. They're bigger than her head!

The thing is Marie does not have a graceful bone in her body. I was laughing when they gave them their scores. I actually rewinded it on TiVo to see their expressions again...PRICELESS!!!

Samantha has improved the most out of them all ;) oh my my my

archiguy

11-27-07, 10:00 AM

Mel has an amazing body, which has simply gotten more impressive as the weeks flew by and the extra pounds (and clothing) dropped off. And that cute working-class British accent makes her almost as much fun to listen to as to watch. Now I can see why Eddie Murphy knocked her up. ;) If only she didn't have so much ink marring the masterpiece....

Needless to say, she's got my vote! Oh, and she's the best remaining dancer, too (as if that mattered on this show).

SowegaBowler

11-27-07, 10:01 AM

Viventis

11-27-07, 10:07 AM

I don't think that Marie will win this, despite her huge fan base. Even though Marie's fans have carried her thus far, I think that many of those same fans will vote for Helio or Mel now that we are in the finals. That is because Marie's fans are also fans of the show. There is a difference in getting your gal to the finals (Marie vs. Jennie) than voting for her as the best overall and taking the show down a notch.

Elbie

11-27-07, 10:24 AM

Samantha should just not talk, she's gotten better, but earlier on she seemed goofy and out of place. Her rack is great!

IrmoGamecoq

11-27-07, 10:28 AM

Samantha should just not talk, she's gotten better, but earlier on she seemed goofy and out of place. Her rack is great!

I finally found a way to stomach Samantha when she's on screen. I just stare at her chest. :)

I mean seriously, her rack is wider than any of the guys' shoulders!

Mac - Screencaps? :D

archiguy

11-27-07, 10:47 AM

I finally found a way to stomach Samantha when she's on screen. I just stare at her chest. :)

And her choice of evening wear seems designed to force one to do exactly that! Never has the conception of a single child been a source of inspiration to so many. (well, maybe once before....) :p Too bad her hosting skills couldn't have seen an increase proportionate to her bra size. :rolleyes:

nlk10010

11-27-07, 10:48 AM

Worst finale, strongly agree. What Helio did amounted to gymnastics! I don't think he or mel looked good at all. Maybe Marie wasn't technically superior, but sha has a whole lotta heart behind it!

This title could go to anyone right now.

..last night was a disappointment for me.

-snip-

nc

Absolutely agree. I was disappointed in all three latin dances. I don't care for freestyle/cabaret so I won't count those.

Frankly, they all looked tired (at least in the latin round). Mel did a Jane Seymour with her cha-cha and Helio's was so bad my jaw dropped. Marie I don't bother with.

The absolute highlight of the evening was "Let's Twist Again" one of my absolute, all time favorite tunes, especially for Jive; again, unfortunately, Chubby Checker and the original arrangement weren't available. Even given that I couldn't believe Helio and Julianne's performance.

=NLK=

IrmoGamecoq

11-27-07, 10:51 AM

And her choice of evening wear seems designed to force one to do exactly that! Never has the conception of a single child been a source of inspiration to so many. (well, maybe once before....) :p Too bad her hosting skills couldn't have seen an increase proportionate to her bra size. :rolleyes:

True that.

Still, all I could think of while she was on screen was "Wonder Woman." She is how I would expect Wonder Woman to look, especially that impressive, in-your-face physique.

I know she's getting some help in the mammary departement, but kudos to her on getting back into playing shape so quickly.

LL3HD

11-27-07, 10:53 AM

After seeing Mel's and Marie's freestyle dances last night, I needed some antacid...:eek:;):D:D I loved the judges’ bewildered critique of Marie’s freestyle.

When Bruno said, “How can I criticize this? It was like Baby Jane meets the Bride of Chucky! :D Great line... what strike? He is quick.:D

IAM4UK

11-27-07, 10:54 AM

Never has the conception of a single child been a source of inspiration to so many. (well, maybe once before....) :p

Very clever, Grasshopper.

I don't watch this show, but follow this thread for screencaps. Can't remember any of this gal you're talking about now.

archiguy

11-27-07, 10:57 AM

Still, all I could think of while she was on screen was "Wonder Woman." She is how I would expect Wonder Woman to look, especially that impressive, in-your-face physique.

You've got Linda Carter memories there. She certainly filled out that WW costume back in the day. ;)

I know she's getting some help in the mammary departement, but kudos to her on getting back into playing shape so quickly.

I'm sure she made every effort imaginable to get back as quickly as she could and show off her "new" assets as revealingly as she can. Surely she knows how easily she could be replaced by someone who could do the job much better; wouldn't want the clueless producers to figure that out. :rolleyes:

IrmoGamecoq

11-27-07, 10:58 AM

From:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21966507/

"...Host Tom Bergeron always reminds the crowd in the home seats that their votes will be tallied with the judges’ scores to determine who remains in the competition and who gets eliminated. But what he doesn’t explain is the complicated equation used to reach that conclusion.

After any given performance night, the total scores given to all couples are combined. Then each score is divided from that sum to figure out the percentage of the overall scores each couple received. That’s then added to the voting percentages. Follow?

While statistically that means the votes and scores hold equal weight, in real-world terms, not so much. The voting public isn’t required to cast a little something for everyone, as the officials do. So fans of Marie can, and apparently do, give all of their allotted votes to her..."

When the judges scores are only seperated by 1 or 2 points, as they were last night, it means they're statistically meaningless in that equation.

For example, here are the scores from last night (I think-but if I'm off, it's not by much)

Marie - Total of 47
Mel - Total of 54
Helio - Total of 56

When represented as percentages of the overall scores:

Marie - 29%
Mel - 34%
Helio - 35%

So, with that in mind, all Marie has to do is get more than 5% more fan votes than Mel or Helio and she wins! That's ridiculous.

IrmoGamecoq

11-27-07, 11:01 AM

I'm sure she made every effort imaginable to get back as quickly as she could and show off her "new" assets as revealingly as she can. Surely she knows how easily she could be replaced by someone who could do the job much better; wouldn't want the clueless producers to figure that out. :rolleyes:

Well, I think her original claim-to-fame was as a fitness guru (appearing on lots of fitness mags), so she does know how to get fit quick. But you make a good point that she has lots of incentive.

I just can't get over how massive they are, especially last night in the "lift and separate" dress she was wearing.

IrmoGamecoq

11-27-07, 11:04 AM

Btw, I think Helio should follow Mel's example and "goose" Samantha for all of us. Fair's fair, right? :D

archiguy

11-27-07, 11:04 AM

“How can I criticize this? It was like Baby Jane meets the Bride of Chucky![/I] :D Great line... what strike? He is quick.:D

Yeah, Bruno is a very quick wit. Some of his comments are undoubtedly scripted before the show, but he consistently demonstrates how quick he is on his feet. And it's especially impressive considering English isn't his native language! Samantha must be soooo envious (although sometimes it seems like English isn't her native language either :p).

nashvillecat

11-27-07, 12:24 PM

Does anyone know the name of the guy who does the introduction of the judges scores and the dance introductions? We never get to see him.

Mac The Knife

11-27-07, 12:59 PM

.... I mean, seriously, it wasn't even a dance.

I'll have to disagree with that (and with Bruno about it being "unique" too). Marie's "doll" dance was actually very similar to the ventriloquist dummy and marionets dance in Chicago where Billy is "putting words" in Roxy's mouth "stringing" the press along. I'm sure there's lots of other better examples that I can't recall at the moment, but there's dancing toys in the Nutcracker too.

OTOH, Marie did a terrible job in that dance and the doll act doesn't have any tradition in ballroom that I'm aware of.

The doll thing bothered me less than the hip-hop junk in Mel's dance. Everytime I see hip-hop I think, "There some really good anti-seizure drugs on the market that could probably help suppress all that twitching."

Mac The Knife

11-27-07, 01:03 PM

I finally found a way to stomach Samantha when she's on screen. I just stare at her chest. :)

I mean seriously, her rack is wider than any of the guys' shoulders!

Mac - Screencaps? :D

I'm not sure if I'll have any caps this week. They threw a steam of packets without any sync bytes at the very start of the show and it crashed my computer. And I wasn't paying attention to it, so by the time I got it rebooted and started recording again, I had already lost half the show. :mad:

Mac The Knife

11-27-07, 01:04 PM

Btw, I think Helio should follow Mel's example and "goose" Samantha for all of us. Fair's fair, right? :D

I think he should parody that commercial where the guy shakes the cow to make a milkshake. :eek:

jacksonian

11-27-07, 01:15 PM

I'll have to disagree with that (and with Bruno about it being "unique" too). Marie's "doll" dance was actually very similar to the ventriloquist dummy and marionets dance in Chicago where Billy is "putting words" in Roxy's mouth "stringing" the press along. I'm sure there's lots of other better examples that I can't recall at the moment, but there's dancing toys in the Nutcracker too.

OTOH, Marie did a terrible job in that dance and the doll act doesn't have any tradition in ballroom that I'm aware of.

The doll thing bothered me less than the hip-hop junk in Mel's dance. Everytime I see hip-hop I think, "There some really good anti-seizure drugs on the market that could probably help suppress all that twitching."
My problem with it was that there were virtually no dance steps in that whole routine for Marie. Yes, it was "a dance" I guess if you want to get technical about it, but there was no dancing. It was a goofy kids' dance, not even an amateur/professional dance. I would have expected more from a 2nd grader.

stunpals

11-27-07, 01:38 PM

I'm not sure if I'll have any caps this week.

worst news of the day.

The Julianne cartwheel? The Samantha assets? The Mel dominatrix, burleque look? all for naught...

SowegaBowler

11-27-07, 04:37 PM

Does anyone know the name of the guy who does the introduction of the judges scores and the dance introductions? We never get to see him.
His name is Alan Dedicoat; he has done quite a bit of voice work in the UK, including DWTS' British ancestor Strictly Come Dancing.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1021361/

LL3HD

11-27-07, 05:35 PM

It's fair game now that it's aired in the West. Marie ended her season with a routine that rivaled Master P for mediocrity. If she wins I don't think the audience will be too supportive. It could really backfire on her for popularity. I can't help but speculate that Donny's and Marie's roles will be swapped for the spring series.
This is a very good point. ;) She is doomed either way.

If she wins it will backfire on her big time. She will look pathetic and probably do an embarrassing victory tour on TV talk / entertainment shows, etc.. :eek::D

That would be a funny thing to see. That's one thing on the plus side, if she wins. ;)

This of course can only happen if she’s lucky enough to energize her eclectic “fan base” (to vote for her--- the Osmond fans, Moms with big families, Mormons, Doll Collectors, etc.). :rolleyes::D

But she's not winning... all she’ll get is a consolation hug and kiss from her lover—Donny. :p:eek:

zalusky

11-27-07, 06:40 PM

I don't know why but I think Donny would be a much better dancer than Marie.

SowegaBowler

11-27-07, 06:47 PM

I don't know why but I think Donny would be a much better dancer than Marie.

That would probably be true...IIRC, Donny and his brothers were decent dancers in their Seventies heyday. Also, during a "Guess the Star" vignette in the season 3 finale, he was seen putting on some good moves.

TVOD

11-27-07, 11:47 PM

Congratulations toHelio and Juliannefor the big win tonight.

humdinger70

11-28-07, 02:45 AM

Whew, it's over and the best dancer did win.

When Marie and Jonathan were announced as being in third place, I'm sure a lot of held breaths were released and sweating brows were wiped. I think the key phrase "vote for the winner" was taken to heart by even Marie's fan base (who appreciated the doll loving fans out there, but had to be puzzled by her choice of freestyle routine).

There were 10s across the board for both finalists, so the audience vote was the key...

And, as I predicted/speculated earlier, congratulations to Helio and Julianne on their victory.

They did something unusual for the returning stars, they let them dance their favorite routine (or in Josie's case, her only routine) for the full length, instead of a short snippet as done in past seasons.

No, you didn't miss Wayne and Floyd dancing - Wayne was under doctor's orders not to dance and Floyd is in the middle of training for his boxing match on December 8 (didn't want to risk an unnecessary injury).

Another season done, another season starts, what, mid-March? Tom and Samantha only mentioned "see you next year".

nashvillecat

11-28-07, 08:34 AM

hooked01

11-28-07, 08:45 AM

I don't know why but I think Donny would be a much better dancer than Marie.

He hasn't given birth to 10 kids!!! ;):D

nlk10010

11-28-07, 09:01 AM

In my opinion - this was an upset.

The show is called DANCING with the Stars. Mel is a much better (and consistent!) DANCER than Helio. He and Jullianne are more POPULAR, and that afforded them the win.

My hats off to everyone on this show. DWTS is one of the best reality/variety shows in a great while!

nc

(I think the Bruno/Carry Anne show will spell DOOM for DWTS.)

I agree completely. It was pretty clear, unless there was a major stumble, that the judges were going to give all 10s to both teams and let the popular vote sort it out. I was hoping they would take the opportunity to REALLY judge the dancing and perhaps try to counter the popular sentiment. But, after all, they ARE entertainers first and judges, well, fifteenth. :)

However, no sour grapes. Helio and Julianne won fair and square, may indeed be the better dancers, and deserve full congratulations.

I just preferred Mel.

And yes, this Bruno and Carrie Ann thing is going to be the dancing drug overdose administered to the TV audience.

=NLK=

LL3HD

11-28-07, 09:25 AM

Last night’s show was a thoroughly entertaining ending to a great season. It helps though, to watch with a DVR. If I had to see that superman thing one more time. :eek: Triple fast-forward, no problem ;)

How great was it to not see the stale fig Newton and the egotistical boxer not dance. :)

The more I see Sabrina, the less impressed I am. To paraphrase somone here (?), she’s very stiff and static. I think she’s a one trick pony. No grace.

Can you imagine if Marie made it to second place? :eek: The footage they would have shown last night with the interviews of friends and family. I am so glad that didn’t happen.

Both Mel and Helio were deserving of the trophy but I’m glad my pick took it.

Just to toot my horn…. so far, I’ve picked the winner or the top three after their first dance for every season. Next season we should have a poll after the first dances. This could add more fun to the overall big picture… and…the 'johnny-come-latelys, those ¾ into the season handicappers, will have to go out on a limb from the beginning. :p :D

It’s all great fun.;)

TVOD

11-28-07, 10:00 AM

And yes, this Bruno and Carrie Ann thing is going to be the dancing drug overdose administered to the TV audience.Add to that another dance show that will air on ABC concurrently with that one called "Dance Machine" (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-abcordersdancemachine,0,4307304.story). Between ABC and Fox the only month without a dance show is December. However NBC will provide more reality competition during the Christmas month with "Clash of the Choirs" (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i5bf6a751bdf67ff5bc12093a3f140a08). I suppose there will be some dancing of sorts in that one too. No word yet on whether any of these shows will be in HD, but I doubt it.

zalusky

11-28-07, 10:02 AM

How many people wanted to see a clipfest of Tom Bergeron's witty response's to things.

va tech hokie

11-28-07, 10:10 AM

How many people wanted to see a clipfest of Tom Bergeron's witty response's to things.

One of my favorites was last night when Marie was using her favorite
"I am old" phrase again and he said to her: "Are you 70?"...
That shut her up...

humdinger70

11-28-07, 10:18 AM

One of my favorites was last night when Marie was using her favorite
"I am old" phrase again and he said to her: "Are you 70?"...
That shut her up...

I liked her referring herself as Cinderella and especially the quip referring to the judges as the "stepsisters". :D

nashvillecat

11-28-07, 10:42 AM

How many people wanted to see a clipfest of Tom Bergeron's witty response's to things.
Maybe I missed something, but what did it mean when TB sat near Jen and said he had a question...? (Ok, I'm slow at this :))

I'm I reading more into this?

nc

Viventis

11-28-07, 10:52 AM

He hasn't given birth to 10 kids!!! ;):D

Neither has Marie. I believe 6 or so were adopted.

ftaok

11-28-07, 10:59 AM

Add to that another dance show that will air on ABC concurrently with that one called "Dance Machine" (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-abcordersdancemachine,0,4307304.story). Between ABC and Fox the only month without a dance show is December. However NBC will provide more reality competition during the Christmas month with "Clash of the Choirs" (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i5bf6a751bdf67ff5bc12093a3f140a08). I suppose there will be some dancing of sorts in that one too. No word yet on whether any of these shows will be in HD, but I doubt it.

Dance Machine ... hmmm. Is that Nia Peeple's Dance Machine or Ed McMahon's Dance Machine? :D

LL3HD

11-28-07, 11:14 AM

I liked her referring herself as Cinderella and especially the quip referring to the judges as the "stepsisters". :DThat was a great line but there’s no way in the world that line was not scripted for her by a team of very available writers. That was no adlib.

She is not in Tom’s or even Bruno’s league. Those two have been given scripted lines prior to the strike but they have demonstrated their spontaneous quick wit over and over.

nashvillecat

11-28-07, 12:23 PM

http://www.pcavote.com/pca/showvoting.jsp

aydu

11-28-07, 01:11 PM

How many people wanted to see a clipfest of Tom Bergeron's witty response's to things.

I think we did - there just wasn't anything there worth repeating.

Notice that they did not repeat his "comedy dance" spot from last year.

Tom has to be the luckiest guy in show biz. Right place, right time, right price, surely applies to him.

Mac The Knife

11-28-07, 01:24 PM

My problem with it was that there were virtually no dance steps in that whole routine for Marie. Yes, it was "a dance" I guess if you want to get technical about it, but there was no dancing. It was a goofy kids' dance, not even an amateur/professional dance. I would have expected more from a 2nd grader.

I'd agree with that.

Mac The Knife

11-28-07, 01:31 PM

Maybe I missed something, but what did it mean when TB sat near Jen and said he had a question...? (Ok, I'm slow at this :))

I'm I reading more into this?

nc

He was supposed to ask her a question, but ran out of time. So instead he teased her about showing the fall again.

Mac The Knife

11-28-07, 01:33 PM

WooHooo! We Won! We Won!

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a18675e4a5.jpg

LL3HD

11-28-07, 01:34 PM

^^^^^ Now that's a "V" for VICTORY! ^^^^

Mac The Knife

11-28-07, 01:34 PM

This is the best I could come up with for Samatha. She had the microphone and her arm in the way in almost every shot.

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/de5a54475f.jpg

Mac The Knife

11-28-07, 01:36 PM

And that's all I have for pics.

Unfortunately that might be that last pic of Julianne we ever have since she's starting a singing career.

Mac The Knife

11-28-07, 01:39 PM

BTW, I was impressed with Cam last night. He was much smoother in the transitions. I wonder if he's been practicing or if it was just because his intensity level was much lower.

Mac The Knife

11-28-07, 01:48 PM

I forget who posted the joke about Flo Henderson chasing young men, but you got the man wrong.

Apparently it's Derek she's after. Derek let it slip that Flo wants to dance with him next season.

The entertainment shows were also speculating about Donny, Celine Dion and Kristi Yamaguchi. IMHO figure skating is a little too close to dancing, making Kristi too much of a ringer. I didn't include Sasha Cohen or a couple of other skaters in the list of female athletes I'd like to see on DWTS for that reason.

And Celine Dion always reminds me of those "Is it a boy or a girl" shows that Maury does where the audience misidentifies a couple of women as trannies. So I'd prefer not to see her.

archiguy

11-28-07, 06:08 PM

And Celine Dion always reminds me of those "Is it a boy or a girl" shows that Maury does where the audience misidentifies a couple of women as trannies. So I'd prefer not to see her.

:eek: Whoa, pretty harsh there, dude. She's one of those folks in the entertainment business that seems to attract more than her share of snarky comments. I've never understood why; she's tall, thin, attractive, and has a helluva set of pipes. She's the female Wayne Newton, fercrissakes! (which makes her a natural for this show).

Pretty disgusted with the results. Will a woman ever win on this show again? The deck was definitely stacked in their favor this season, but an inferior male dancer (IMO) wins again. WTF? :confused:

juancmjr

11-28-07, 06:59 PM

^^^^^ Now that's a "V" for VICTORY! ^^^^

Along with Mac's post...LMFAO!!! As for Samantha, it seems we'd always see a bit more of her right one than the left. Last night's dress was the best showcase for them this season IMO. Unless certain magazines come calling...
:eek:

LL3HD

11-28-07, 07:44 PM

... seems to attract more than her share of snarky comments.I just heard something negative about her (Celine Dion) last week. It was a story about her selling tickets for her concert tour that’s over a year away. :confused: The ticket prices are over 200 bucks each. That’s a nice little interest generator for her bank account. :rolleyes:
Sure, she has a tremendous voice (I love her version of O Holy Night) but for the most part I find her annoying. That slurp-y lisp thing, she sounds like Tom Brokaw.:p

archiguy

11-28-07, 08:04 PM

Sure, she has a tremendous voice (I love her version of O Holy Night) but for the most part I find her annoying. That slurp-y lisp thing, she sounds like Tom Brokaw.:p

Careful, Larry. You don't want to get kicked out of The Greatest Generation. You might get busted down to The Not So Hot Generation with me. :p

CruelInventions

11-28-07, 08:40 PM

boo hoo. My Mel lost. :( And I felt bad when I heard Helio receiving more cheers than Mel just before the winner was announced, when Tom did the dramatic "and so, who will it be.. Mel [pause for applause] or Helio [pause for applause]" bit.

Oh well, if it was going to be anyone else, I'm glad it was Helio.

Listening to reaction around the talk radio dial last night and this morning, it appears that Marie was really beginning to turn people off with her defensive sense of entitlement (don't you get it... I make dolls!, you're crazy.. I danced well!, I'm old.. give me a break already!, etc.).

ps: lol @ "V for Victory" above :D

CruelInventions

11-28-07, 08:52 PM

I think we did - there just wasn't anything there worth repeating.

Notice that they did not repeat his "comedy dance" spot from last year.

Tom has to be the luckiest guy in show biz. Right place, right time, right price, surely applies to him.

you know, I used to feel the same way about him, particularly watching him host other programs in the past; the guy's a complete hack, tired jokes, smug, preening, overly familiar demeanor, etc. But I've grudgingly come to respect the guy for the job he does on this show. Maybe having the immediate contrast of his co-host Samantha helped re-define for me what true lack of hosting talent looks like.

SowegaBowler

11-28-07, 09:19 PM

I am also happy for Helio and Julianne; they really stepped up during this final round while both Mel and Marie went south with their freestyles. That said, IMO Sabrina would have beaten the pants off all three...

Re: Celine Dion...She is one of my all-time favorite singers, and I was so thrilled to see her perform last night. I would rather pay $200 to see her than fork over, say, $30 to see 50 Cent...:D;)

And, about the new Dance War...It may not on first glance be as good as DWTS, but I plan to watch at least the first two eps to see if it looks good enough to watch all the way through.

CruelInventions

11-28-07, 09:33 PM

Re: Celine Dion...She is one of my all-time favorite singers, and I was so thrilled to see her perform last night. I would rather pay $200 to see her than fork over, say, $30 to see 50 Cent...:D;)

ouch, talk about your "would I rather be stabbed to death or bludgeoned to death" optional extremes. :p

CruelInventions

11-28-07, 09:38 PM

I think one source of Celine backlash arose from the over saturation of the theme song from the Titanic movie. Got on a lot of peoples nerves, that one.

LL3HD

11-28-07, 09:40 PM

Re: Celine Dion...She is one of my all-time favorite singers, and I was so thrilled to see her perform last night. I would rather pay $200 to see her than fork over, say, $30 to see 50 Cent...:D;).:D That’s funny.

I hope you caught her tonight on the NBC Tree Lighting.:cool:

LL3HD

11-28-07, 09:41 PM

I think one source of Celine backlash arose from the over saturation of the theme song from the Titanic movie. Got on a lot of peoples nerves, that one.;)
I hated that movie and every time I heard that stupid song all I could think of is that stingy bitch that wouldn’t give Leo part of that big ass door to cling on to.... Not that I minded that he drowned.

HDTV Freak

11-28-07, 09:44 PM

Blame the radio stations..

Celine did great last night, her voice is in top shape. :)

RKRocha

11-28-07, 11:03 PM

ftaok

11-29-07, 06:37 AM

I didn't see it mentioned in this thread, but apparently Mark injured/re-injured himself when he and Sabrina reprised their Cha-Cha.

During the performance, it seems as though he popped his left shoulder and one article I read was that he tore his labrium (or something).

Initially, I didn't notice the injury, but when they started with the "New York" step, it looked odd that he wasn't doing the arm swing. The rest of the dance, he pretty much stopped using his left arm for anything major.

During one sequence, it looks like he grabs his left hand and pulls his arm out of the socket, kinda like how they pop dislocated shoulders back in ... at least that's how they do it in the movies.

Anyways, he kept his smile on the whole time while he must have been in excrutiating pain. He's one hell of a tough guy for being able to finish the dance.

ft

nashvillecat

11-29-07, 08:37 AM

Just read that Helio and has an ex-fiance now. Although he and Julianne had very good chemistry for this competition, I never pictured them as a couple. Julianne and Apolo on the other hand... For Helio, as far as race car drivers go, I'm sure he wasnt having trouble with the ladies, but now add being on national tv and winning DWTS, his stock is at an all time high.

ps. whenever I see Samantha, all I can think of is "motor boat". :D
I feel bad for all involved here. I always thought Helio and Julianne looked awesome together, but ever did it look like they were that "close". Although, those kisses Helio gave her during a few of the dances may have been a mistake.

It's too bad that peple's personal life can't stay personal. It's always a tragedy.

nc

IrmoGamecoq

11-29-07, 08:44 AM

The more I see Sabrina, the less impressed I am. To paraphrase somone here (?), she’s very stiff and static. I think she’s a one trick pony. No grace.

You might be referring to my post where I described her as "stacatto" (sp). I agree that she has little grace and her dance on the finale suited her well with that in mind. I'm not too impressed either.

IrmoGamecoq

11-29-07, 08:46 AM

One of my favorites was last night when Marie was using her favorite
"I am old" phrase again and he said to her: "Are you 70?"...
That shut her up...

That was classic. Even better because she's been saying that over and over on the show...she's not even 50 yet! Go tell Jane Seymour or Wayne Newton that you're "old."

IrmoGamecoq

11-29-07, 08:55 AM

A few comments on the finale:

I’m glad Helio won. I felt his dancing was on par with Mel but his popularity was clearly superior. Until this show starts relying solely on judge’s scores (she only edged him by one point there though), we’re going to see the popular dancers keep winning.

Celine Dion is way too big a star to appear on this show. I’d be stunned if she lowered herself enough to appear in a future season.

Someone mentioned Cam earlier. Anybody notice how he didn’t have those “crazy eyes” this time? I guess his schedule isn’t so crazy anymore with the writer’s strike where he has to be amped up on Caffeine all the time.

Someone above mentioned that Helio has split from his ex-fiance. I’m not too surprised. It would be tough for any significant other to witness all the touchy-feely stuff that goes on before and after dances and in all the off-show interviews. I felt sorry for Mel’s husband having to witness his wife talk about how “life-changing” her relationship is with Maksim and all the hugging and kissing they do. But, at least he’s actually SHOWN at the competition. My wife and I talked about how we never saw Helio’s fiancé since the first episode (I guess we know now why), and we’ve all talked about how it seemed that Jenny's hubby was getting snubbed (where was he during that Disney Land skit).

One other comment: I bet “Ginger Spice” (Jerri Halloway?) wishes she had signed on with the show. As the defacto “leader” of the Spice Girls and having attempted a solo-act at one time…her image needed more boosting than one of the lesser-known Spice Girls in “Scary Spice.”

Lastly, thanks for the Samantha screencap, Mac! Man, just look at those things! :D

aydu

11-29-07, 10:01 AM

In the end, you had two pretty evenly matched dancers in the finals.

One was an entertainment pro, one was from the sports world.

One had a warm charm, one seemed a bit thuggish under the surface.

Growth during the competition went to Helio, overall dance skills edged to Mel.

These shows end up being popularity contests, and it is hard to compete with the personalities of Helio and Julianne.

Mac The Knife

11-29-07, 01:40 PM

....

One other comment: I bet “Ginger Spice” (Jerri Halloway?) wishes she had signed on with the show. As the defacto “leader” of the Spice Girls and having attempted a solo-act at one time…her image needed more boosting than one of the lesser-known Spice Girls in “Scary Spice.”

...

I think I heard that one of the other Spice Girls had already been on the UK show. Can't recall if it was Jerri or not.

Pairing Mel with Maks sure seemed to work out well for Maks. She sure seemed to remove the stick out of Maks' butt and mellowed him out a lot.

Ron Temple

11-29-07, 01:41 PM

Pair anyone with Julianne...if they have any skills at all, she'll take them to the finals and probably for the win. All the female dancer's are beautiful, but none pack that sheer charisma. She shines...all you need is timing and a sh** eating grin :D.

Mac The Knife

11-29-07, 01:42 PM

...

Re: Celine Dion...She is one of my all-time favorite singers, and I was so thrilled to see her perform last night. I would rather pay $200 to see her than fork over, say, $30 to see 50 Cent...:D;)

....

I'd rather pay $100 to see Wendy O'Williams in some crummy bar in a bad section of town than see Celine Dion for free. Might as well get the the whole O'Williams effect rather than the partial Dion effect. [Does anyone remember Wendy O' or will I have to explain the joke?]

LL3HD

11-29-07, 01:45 PM

[Does anyone remember Wendy O' or will I have to explain the joke?]:cool: This should cover it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQTiOQJGWs

IrmoGamecoq

11-29-07, 01:49 PM

I think I heard that one of the other Spice Girls had already been on the UK show. Can't recall if it was Jerri or not.

My wife and I got a kick out of the lack of interest that "Posh Spice" showed...she really gave the appearance that she thought she was "above" all of this nonsense. I guess she's jealous because her attempt at a Reality Show got condensed down to a one-night special. :)

Pairing Mel with Maks sure seemed to work out well for Maks. She sure seemed to remove the stick out of Maks' butt and mellowed him out a lot.

I've always thought Maks was rather arrogant before (how did Mell put it? She knew he was "in love with himself?" :D ), but I saw more of his sense of humor this season. And, don't you just know he's loving all the attention the show is getting...he probably gets VIP treatment at most of the clubs in LA. And he strikes me as the kind of guy that would use that to its full potential.

LL3HD

11-29-07, 02:47 PM

Pair anyone with Julianne... .Hmmmmmmm....Now there’s a thought. ;)

Folks here are complaining that a female hasn’t won since Kelly did in the first season. Why not pair some of the female professionals with female stars? :eek::cool:

No seriously, why not?

I think the women would be a 'sure thing' if that happened.

And I think most here would enjoy the show... even more.

Ron Temple

11-29-07, 02:59 PM

Hmmmmmmm....Now there’s a thought. ;)

Folks here are complaining that a female hasn’t won since Kelly did in the first season. Why not pair some of the female professionals with female stars? :eek::cool:

No seriously, why not?

I think the women would be a 'sure thing' if that happened.

And I think most here would enjoy the show... even more.A little mud...maybe some cooking oil...hmmm...I'm in.

SowegaBowler

11-29-07, 03:28 PM

I'd rather pay $100 to see Wendy O'Williams in some crummy bar...

Nice work if you can do it...Wendy O. Williams, one of the most notorious rockers of the 1980's, took her own life in 1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_O._Williams

richiephx

11-29-07, 03:39 PM

I'm sure some of the male dancers would like dancing with each other too. I say open it up to every combination and make the show even more interesting to watch. :)

LL3HD

11-29-07, 03:41 PM

I'm sure some of the male dancers would like dancing with each other too. I'm sure they would too... that's what FF>>> is for on my DVR. ;)

hooked01

11-29-07, 03:46 PM

My wife and I got a kick out of the lack of interest that "Posh Spice" showed...she really gave the appearance that she thought she was "above" all of this nonsense. I guess she's jealous because her attempt at a Reality Show got condensed down to a one-night special. :)

I believe it was "Baby Spice" that was on the British version of the show.

I think Mrs. Beckham has so much Botox injected into her face that it's physically impossible to show any emotion. Or maybe she's too weak from hunger to make any effort.

IrmoGamecoq

11-29-07, 04:12 PM

LL3HD

11-29-07, 05:01 PM

Just read that Helio and has an ex-fiance now.
ps.

HELIO'S BACKSTAGE DRAMA
By DON KAPLAN

NY POST

November 29, 2007 -- MOST of the action on the final night of "Dancing with the Stars" turns out to have happened off camera.
About 25 million viewers saw Indy car driver Helio Castroneves crowned the champ.

But only a handful knew that one professional dancer was so badly hurt during the final number, that he had to be taken to the hospital by ambulance.

And even fewer knew that Helio and his fiancée of six years had broken up - for reasons unspoken - within a few hours of his victory.

One report yesterday said Castroneves found out his fiancée, businesswoman Aliette Vazquez, had dumped him right after he appeared on "The View" with his dance partner, Julianne Hough.

But another source claims Castroneves learned of the break up Tuesday night after he had won the dancing show.

"They had been on the rocks for a while," an ABC staffer close to the show said.

Set to be married next month, Castroneves and Vazquez postponed their planned wedding when he began to rehearse for "DWTS."

"I can confirm that Aliette Vazquez and I have called off our engagement and are no longer together," Castroneves told People yesterday. "At this time I would prefer to keep my private life private."

Meanwhile, "Dancing" star Mark Ballas, the former dancing partner for "Cheetah Girl" Sabrina Bryan, injured his shoulder while performing on the live finale and was rushed to the hospital before the show was over.

"He shouldn't have been dancing," celebrity contestant Jane Seymour said after the show.

Co-contestant Mark Cuban told TV Guide that Ballas had decided to perform Tuesday despite shoulder pain since last weekend.

"His father told me that he's got a torn muscle in his shoulder, and it's really, really painful," Cuban said. "It happens to basketball players all the time, and it takes awhile to heal."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11292007/tv/tripped_up_187255.htm

RedSox04

11-29-07, 05:25 PM

I'm sure some of the male dancers would like dancing with each other too. I say open it up to every combination and make the show even more interesting to watch. :)

I am in it for the chics!!! :D Everything else gets the old ==> FF Please no more filler

juancmjr

11-29-07, 06:37 PM

My wife and I got a kick out of the lack of interest that "Posh Spice" showed...she really gave the appearance that she thought she was "above" all of this nonsense.

From what I've seen she always looks that way, even sitting in the skybox during her husband's soccer games here in the states, like an Easter Island statue. Other than being in the thrown together by crappy producers Spice Girls, what else is she famous/good for? Maybe she should try the show to see if she has any real talent, like Julianne. I know posh means upper class in Britain.

grittree

11-29-07, 08:13 PM

I read or saw something a few days ago saying Celine had already taped her segments. Anybody know anything about that, since it wasn't obvious.

HDTV Freak

11-29-07, 08:43 PM

I read or saw something a few days ago saying Celine had already taped her segments. Anybody know anything about that, since it wasn't obvious.

HERE (http://www.celinedionforum.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=729487) is a review from a fan that attended the taping.

IrmoGamecoq

11-30-07, 09:52 AM

I forgot to comment, and noticed that nobody else did either, about Karina's obvious nose-job both in her appearance with Mayweather and her group dance to Celina's singing. I never saw a close-up of her to be sure, but her profile at a distance showed some work had obviously been done on her nose. She has slightly less of a gargoyle face now, so kudos to her (and her surgeon) on nice work. Give her some botox and she won't be able to make those ugly expressions anymore too.

aydu

11-30-07, 12:57 PM

Not that there's anything wrong with it...

But let's speculate:

Potential Flamers
Johnathan Roberts (marriage of convenience to fellow pro Anna Trebunskaya)
Louis Von Amstel
Derek Hough

Solid Heteros
Maksim
Alec Mazo (married to Edyta)
Mark Ballas (dating Sabrina)
Tony Dovaloni

To be fair to Johnathan Roberts, if you had to spend that much time with one of the world's best doll designers, it might put you off your game a bit too.

He does look like he makes regular trips to the "Hair Club For Men" though.

hooked01

11-30-07, 02:56 PM

J.R. has to be a strong guy to be able to do those lifts with Marie!

Viventis

11-30-07, 03:16 PM

Is there any word or information as to whether Helio and Julianne are hooking up? You have to wonder after the engagement ended and that last, on stage kiss.

archiguy

11-30-07, 03:29 PM

I was eager to once again see the staggeringly gorgeous Josie during the results show, but danged if she didn't use her one opportunity to speak to once again shamelessly plug her cosmetics line (kudos to Tom for calling her on it; made me feel better about her early ouster), and that whole "rag doll" routine by Marie designed to plug her doll business may have been the straw that broke her right out of the show. Can't they make it clear to any of the "stars" that since they're being well compensated to the tune of at least $145,000 to participate, they can't plug their stupid little commercial ventures?

And my wife mentioned that Mel and Max's rather uninspired freestyle routine may have been the thing that, in the final analysis, prevented her from winning. At least that makes me feel better about how it all shook out (but not much).

Is there any word or information as to whether Helio and Julianne are hooking up? You have to wonder after the engagement ended and that last, on stage kiss.

Highly doubtful, even if he wasn't 14 years her senior. She's got bigger fish to fry, what with this new singing career, etc (and that kiss looked to be all his idea). But with Helio's elevated Q-factor because of this show and its 20 million viewers, I doubt he'll have any trouble filling his ex-fiancé's stiletto heels. He should look at it as an opportunity to upgrade. :p

LL3HD

11-30-07, 03:29 PM

Josie...shamelessly plug her cosmetics line (kudos to Tom for calling her on it; .
They must have admonished the “stars” after Josie because it looked like Floyd was dying to promote his pay per view fight.

IrmoGamecoq

11-30-07, 03:41 PM

(and that kiss looked to be all his idea).

The first one definitely was (you could really see the surprise in her eyes), but the one on the encore dance was definitely all Julianne. She even put her arm around his neck and held him there for an extra beat or two.

Not that that means a lot...I agree with Archi, I think Julianne is destined for bigger things.

stunpals

12-01-07, 09:28 AM

I heard someone call the show "Dancing with the Home Wreckers"

Which is funny.

Will the fact that all these alleged hookups keep occurring help or ruin the numbers?

ps- thanks for the V shot

Charles R

12-01-07, 03:03 PM

The first one definitely was (you could really see the surprise in her eyes), but the one on the encore dance was definitely all Julianne.During an interview Julianne stated the (first) kiss was choreographed. During the same interview Helio said he didn't have any problems with it!

Mac The Knife

12-01-07, 03:32 PM

Is there any word or information as to whether Helio and Julianne are hooking up? You have to wonder after the engagement ended and that last, on stage kiss.

Julianne denied it the next day, after their appearance on The View.

IMHO a lot of this speculation about Juliannne + Apolo + Helio is due to the fact that Julianne is very good at her job. After all, she had to dance with brother and make it look like they're hooking up. So making it look serious with some other guy should be easy for her.

OTOH, DWTS is especially hard on outside relationships since you're spending long hours with someone else and even if trying to avoid it, there's going to be a lot of rubbing together of intimate body parts whenever someone is out of position.

Mac The Knife

12-01-07, 03:50 PM

...

Will the fact that all these alleged hookups keep occurring help or ruin the numbers?

ps- thanks for the V shot

IMO, the alleged hookups prove that the Pros are doing a good job. Ballroom couples should look like couples that have just fallen in love. It's a big part of the allure of ballroom dancing.

BTW, this is the major reason why I really don't like watching ballet and hip-hop. Although I can appreciate the technically difficultly, I find them emotionally sterile.

So if alleged hookups stop happening I think the ratings will go down since it will mean that the dancers aren't doing their job. [After all, the term "horizontal mambo" wasn't created in vacuum. Notice there's not a horizontal ballet or a horizontal hip-hop. ;) ]

davemcs

12-03-07, 08:08 AM

so Mac...what shows will you be provide primo screencaps for now the DwTS is done?

IrmoGamecoq

12-03-07, 08:20 AM

DwTS is not done!

It's starting back up again early next year...Mac has plenty of screencaps to tide us over until then. :)

humdinger70

12-03-07, 12:39 PM

With Helio's win, it make three seasons in a row that a sports celebrity has won (Emmitt Smith and Apolo Anton-Ono (sp?) the other two). What will it take for a non-sports celebrity to win?

TVOD

12-03-07, 12:54 PM

What will it take for a non-sports celebrity to win?Or even for a female winner. I'm still surprised that Mel B didn't win as I suspected there may have been a little bit of favoritism by the show's British producers, but that obviously didn't come into play. Sabrina looked to be the ringer, and it would be interesting to see what the actual voting tally was week to week.

So here's a question relating to the original UK production. The voting rules were changed on SCD to where the combined vote picks the bottom two and the judges pick which of the two remains. Len has voiced his disappointment of this change in the UK, but should this also be done on DWTS? This would make it less of a popularity contest up to the finale, but it wouldn't have an influence on the final selection of the season's winner.

Mac The Knife

12-03-07, 01:46 PM

so Mac...what shows will you be provide primo screencaps for now the DwTS is done?

There's nothing else on that I really care about, so nothing for the moment. I probably watch the first couple of episodes of "Dance Wars" to see if I like it, but "jazz" and "modern" and "hip-hop" really don't interest me. So I doubt I'll watch the whole season.

If PBS does "America's Ballroom Challenge" again in HD, then I'll post some caps of that.

Otherwise, there won't be anything until the next season of DWTS.

[Oh, I almost forgot about the Victoria's Secret show tomorrow (12/04). I might post some caps of that if I feel motivated enough.]

Mac The Knife

12-03-07, 01:51 PM

...

So here's a question relating to the original UK production. The voting rules were changed on SCD to where the combined vote picks the bottom two and the judges pick which of the two remains.

Len has voiced his disappointment of this change in the UK, but should this also be done on DWTS?....

I'd rather see a cumulative point system, which I think would have a similar effect. Since it's more difficult to skew an average and since there wouldn't be the pressure of voting to keep people in each week, the voting would hopefullly be more realistic.

TVOD

12-03-07, 02:36 PM

Otherwise, there won't be anything until the next season of DWTSThere will also be another dance show airing concurrently with Dance Wars called Dance Machine also on ABC. It's described as a dance contest with average people instead of stars or accomplished dancers. Sounds like it should be titled "America's Got Dance".

Mac The Knife

01-26-08, 02:37 PM

Mac The Knife

01-28-08, 01:16 PM

BTTT: To make certain everyone gets the announcement before the show starts on Wednesday.

nlk10010

01-28-08, 02:02 PM

PBS has finally announced the schedule for this season's America's Ballroom Challenge. They sure waited till the 11th hour to update their website. :mad:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/ballroomchallenge/

Episode 1: January 30, 2008
Episode 2: February 6, 2008
Episode 3: February 13, 2008
Episode 4: February 20, 2008
Episode 5: February 27, 2008

Since there are already people subscribed to this thead, I propose that we just use this thread for discussing ABC. Since it's just five episodes and has a much smaller following, I think it would get lost among all the other threads if it had it's own thread.

Actually, depending on where you are, the first episode (Smooth) aired on Saturday the 26th. I saw it advertised on WLIW-21 but am waiting to tape the first airing on January 30th on WNET.

I suppose this is more popular but I preferred the old Ohio Star ball show. I'm also looking around the schedules to see if there'll be any more broadcasts of International competitions (meaning both the style and location). Last year I caught two: one from Denmark and one I believe from Russia.

Mac The Knife

01-29-08, 01:17 PM

....

I suppose this is more popular but I preferred the old Ohio Star ball show. ....

Well, those weren't in HD so we wouldn't be able to talk about them here. ;)

Mac The Knife

01-31-08, 01:23 PM

nlk10010

01-31-08, 01:30 PM

Well, the youth exhibition dances weren't as good as last season. They were still decent, but last years' youth dances were exceptional.

Looks like there's a lot of retirements this year. The Ermis' retired and Tony and Elana won't be in the next episode and Steve and Eulia are retiring after this season. But as long as Yulia Zagoruychenko is there, I'll be happy. :D

Steve's retiring?? If it was announced during the show I probably missed it; I was trying to avoid listening to Jasmine Guy. Oy, I didn't appreciate Marilu Henner or Juliet Prowse when I had them.

Man, I must be REALLLLLL old. I took a few classes from Steve when he first turned professional. Shortly after I heard he had switched from International to American style; I figured he was having trouble (with all due respect to the latter style, it's just a matter of numbers).

I actually had my eye on Valentina (didn't get her last name). :)

Mac The Knife

01-31-08, 01:45 PM

Steve's retiring?? If it was announced during the show I probably missed it; I was trying to avoid listening to Jasmine Guy. Oy, I didn't appreciate Marilu Henner or Juliet Prowse when I had them.

Yeah Jasmine was pretty rough but marilu was pretty rough the first season too. Hopefully she'll get better.

I saw Steve and Eulia's retirement announcement on the PBS website as part of a recap of last night's show. They didn't announce it on the show.

The American Smooth competition proved to be an exciting night. Retiring duo Steven Dougherty and Eulia Baranovsky won the show dance competition with a tribute to Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. However, it was not enough to score them the championship.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/ballroomchallenge/

Man, I must be REALLLLLL old. I took a few classes from Steve when he first turned professional. Shortly after I heard he had switched from International to American style; I figured he was having trouble (with all due respect to the latter style, it's just a matter of numbers).

I actually had my eye on Valentina (didn't get her last name). :)

Valentina and Eulia were the only two that I recognized right away, there were so many new couples.

I was a little surprized that Valentina didn't get a least one first place, it's a little unusual to see a complete sweep of the five dances.

tonybradley

01-31-08, 02:02 PM

The cute little blond dancer, what is her name? Jullianne Huff or something? Now that she has a country album coming out, if she's make it big in the music industry, I wonder if she'll be back on Dancing with the Stars as one of the Stars ;)

teevman

01-31-08, 05:47 PM

i imagine she'll be back, singing if not dancing, lol.

Mac The Knife

02-01-08, 12:58 PM

That reminds me that I meant to mention how much one of those exhibition dances made me appreciate Julianne. Julianne and Apolo's dance to that "move it, move it" song (what the heck is the name of that thing?) was much better than the exhibition dance.

I sure hope Julianne figures out a way to keep dancing on DWTS.

tonybradley

02-01-08, 01:01 PM

juancmjr

02-01-08, 08:07 PM

Julianne and Apolo's dance to that "move it, move it" song (what the heck is the name of that thing?) was much better than the exhibition dance.

"I Like to Move It" by Reel 2 Real.

We like to see Julianne move it as well. :D

jacksonian

02-02-08, 07:59 AM

I sure hope Julianne figures out a way to keep dancing on DWTS.
Seconded.

kezug

02-02-08, 12:57 PM

So who are the "Stars" going to be for the next season?

Someone mentioned on a "wish list" that Cindy Crawford should do it. I sure would like that.

Mac The Knife

02-02-08, 02:56 PM

Boy you're really challenging my memory now...

IIRC, Flo Henderson's name came up during last season as actually being signed up to do the next season. I'm afraid I can't remember any others.

I'm still sticking with my female athlete wish list (e.g. Gulbis, Creamer, Walsh, May, etc.).

The supermodels seem to get tossed after the first episode, so you only get to see them dance once. Although Heide Klum and Alessandra Ambrosia might be worth it. :D

Mac The Knife

02-02-08, 02:57 PM

"I Like to Move It" by Reel 2 Real.

We like to see Julianne move it as well. :D

Thanks that was bugging the heck out of me.

LL3HD

02-02-08, 04:18 PM

So who are the "Stars" going to be for the next season?

Someone mentioned on a "wish list" that Cindy Crawford should do it. I sure would like that.
Dancing with the Stars: Season 6 Rumors

Tuesday, January 29, 2008

While we have less than a month to wait for the new Dancing with the Stars lineup, we have nothing better to do with our time than to speculate who will be part of that big announcement. At one point, Tori Spelling's name was being thrown around but her pregnancy will keep her sidelined this season. Too bad for Dancing with the Stars, which apparently was looking to have a Beverly Hills 90210 cast member every season. There's always Luke Perry! This month, TV Guide and In Touch Weekly reported possible season 6 contestants. Here are the rumored cast members from several different sources.

TV Guide reported in their most recent issue that Cheryl Ladd and Monica Seles are possible celebrities to compete on Dancing with the Stars. Ladd is most famous for being Farrah Fawcett's replacement on Charlie's Angels in 1977. More recently, she appears on the NBC show Las Vegas, playing Jillian Deline, wife of Ed Deline, played by James Caan.

Keeping with the tradition that several current and former pro athletes are part of the show, Monica Seles' name has been thrown into the ring. Seles was once the number one tennis player in the world. She was the youngest winner of the French Open, at the age of 16. At the height of her career, she was attacked on the court by a spectator. She has had some success since but has never managed to capture the success that she once had.

In Touch Weekly reported this month that Kristy McNichol was also being considered for Dancing with the Stars season 6. An inside source told the magazine that McNichol fit the demographic of people who watch the show and also, brings along the nostalgia factor with her as part of the package. McNichol is a two-time Emmy Award winner for her work on the shows Family and Empty Nest in the 1970s and 1980s.

Other names that have been thrown out there include Florence Henderson of The Brady Bunch, Chyna, the former WWE wrestler and current resident on Celebrity Rehab, and Brooke Hogan, the Hulk's daughter.
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/dancing-with-the-stars/dancing-with-the-stars-season-16185.aspx

Mac The Knife

02-03-08, 02:27 PM

McNichol fit the demographic of people who watch the show and also, brings along the nostalgia factor with her as part of the package. ...

I think they're right about that. I certainly had a crush on her back in those days. I wonder what she looks like now?

IrmoGamecoq

02-04-08, 10:59 AM

I think I speculated on Monica Seles as a possible contestant once upon a time in this thread.

Mac The Knife

02-07-08, 01:03 PM

nlk10010

02-07-08, 05:07 PM

So Johanna won the whole enchilada in her first year as a pro. :eek:

Actually I was a little bit surprized that her show dance seemed a little plain to me. I remember seeing her exhibition dances with Emmanuel the last couple of years and as I recall them they took a lot more chances than her routine last night.

Assuming you're talking about the ABC Rhythm thingie last night: are you SURE this was Johanna's first year as a pro? Reason I ask is that I was watching WLIW's rerun of last year's competition and she was definitely in it, although with a different partner. Would she have been dancing in that division if she weren't a pro (I don't know, just asking)?

Mac The Knife

02-08-08, 11:42 AM

I think it was her first year as pro (2nd at most).

IIRC, last season Johanna and Emmanuel were still dancing as amatuers and they were just one of the exhibition dances on the show. But maybe I'm off by a year.

Still pretty impressive to win that early in a career even if I'm off by a year.

nlk10010

02-08-08, 01:39 PM

Oh, I agree.

It was just that I recall wifey and I remarking, when we watched the rerun of last year's competition, about how Johanna was, how shall we say, somewhat less "svelte" than the other dancers (I mean, she seemed FINE to me but I'm not going to argue, if you know what I mean). So she stuck in my mind.

TVOD

02-08-08, 02:16 PM

It would be fun if Beth O accepted DWTS's rumored offer, but Howard would go even crazier than he is now. Maybe after they get hitched he might feel more secure, but I doubt it. It would be a major windfall for his therapist.

LL3HD

02-08-08, 02:30 PM

It would be fun if Beth O accepted DWTS's rumored offer.I would love to see Beth O on the show.

Those rumors started about 3 or 4 seasons ago. I didn’t know they were still kicking around... but I rarely tune him in these days-- and I go back to the NNNNNbc days (and I have Sirius)- go figure.
This would give me a reason to hop back on the FlahFlahphooey little yellow bus.

Mac The Knife

02-09-08, 01:15 PM

.. when we watched the rerun of last year's competition, about how Johanna was, how shall we say, somewhat less "svelte" than the other dancers ....

Yeah her and Danielle (and Tony's partner Elena, too) are a little huskier than the typical ballroom competitor these days. But IMHO, a lot of it is just because we're comparing them to the rest of the dancers that are 90 pound eastern-european ex-ballerinas.

And Johanna also has the misfortune of having a "straight" body type without any waist so it makes it even more obvious. Danielle who's about the same size as Johanna looks a little less husky since she has a little bit more of an hourglass figure.

Mac The Knife

02-10-08, 02:30 PM

Johanna looks fairly normal:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4919/johannamy9.jpg

Unless you compare her to Carolina:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8825/carolinapf8.jpg

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3088/carolinanetxz9.jpg

Or to Julia:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/830/juliajl9.jpg

Or especially to Bree:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2842/reddressco0.jpg

BTW, the poor quality of these image is due to the local pbs station having 3 subchannels. There's nowhere near enough bandwidth leftover for all the motion and the detail in the costumes.

kezug

02-10-08, 07:22 PM

Ummmm, can we see more shots of Carolina?

Oh, yeah, and Julia?

And since your at it, Bree too?

Mac The Knife

02-11-08, 12:26 PM

My local is so bad that those were the only decent shots. Everything else is completely blocked up or blurry mess.

I'll probably post a pic of my favorite International Standard couple this week and then definately post one of Yulia next week. But that will be all I'll post due to the lack of any quality shots.

SowegaBowler

02-11-08, 09:13 PM

We interrupt your America's Ballroom Challenge kick for this important update...

The cast of DWTS season 6 will be announced on Dance War next Monday night (2/18).

Mac The Knife

02-14-08, 12:42 PM

nlk10010

02-14-08, 12:48 PM

Well, my favorite Standard couple, Victor Feng & Anna Mikhead didn't even make the finals. :(

Although it seems they made the finals in the World Championship back in November: http://www.dancesport.uk.com/photos/index.htm

Could they have skipped the Columbus meet?

And now I'm reading that Yulia Zagoruychenko has retired too.
This has been a really bad year for me. All my favorites have retired or didn't make the finals. :(

Not only that, but the guy who won @ Ohio last year (forget his name) wasn't there either.

I think the problem is that, while Ohio may host the World AMERICAN style championships, I'm not sure that what we saw last night was even the North American or even U.S. STANDARD Championship. Most of the best dancers in the world may decide to skip it at least in part because of what looks to be the replacement of the individual standard dance with the ShowDance. Of course the thing is heavily edited so they may actually still have that individual dance, but things have changed quite a bit from the days of Bill Davies and Victor Varrasett (spelling?) and Ohio hosting the U.S. Standard Championship.

Nice link, BTW. Thanks.

Mac The Knife

02-15-08, 12:29 PM

If it turns out that Julianne is no longer on DWTS, I'd like to nominate Karolina P. as her replacement.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6859/karolinapzr0.jpg

Her exhibition dances, both this year and last year when she was still a junior, have been my favorite part of ABC (especially this year since all my favorite pros are gone).

RSF_LA

02-18-08, 06:09 PM

We interrupt your America's Ballroom Challenge kick for this important update...

The cast of DWTS season 6 will be announced on Dance War next Monday night (2/18).All will be revealed tonight by Jerry, Kenny and Lisa on Dance Center.

LL3HD

02-18-08, 06:24 PM

All will be revealed tonight by Jerry, Kenny and Lisa on Dance Center.I’m assuming that “Dance Center” is part of the “Dance War” show? :rolleyes: I’ll wait for someone to post the season 6 cast here or I'll find it elsewhere. I can’t watch that Dance Wars thing. ;)

SowegaBowler

02-18-08, 06:36 PM

I’m assuming that “Dance Center” is part of the “Dance War” show? :rolleyes: I’ll wait for someone to post the season 6 cast here or I'll find it elsewhere. I can’t watch that Dance Wars thing. ;)
I'll be watching Dance War tonight; I, for one, have found it quite entertaining. I will also watch for the cast announcement and try to post the details here as soon as I can get it off the telecast.

Stay tuned...

SowegaBowler

02-18-08, 09:43 PM

Here it is...the lineup for DWTS season 6, to premiere on March 17, with pro partners:

Marlee Matlin (Oscar-winning hearing-impaired actress)/Fabian Sanchez
Penn Jillette (tall half of Penn & Teller)/Kym Johnson
Marissa Jaret Winokur (Tony-winning stage actress)/Tony Dovolani
Adam Carolla (co-host of "The Man Show")/Julianne Hough
Kristi Yamaguchi (figure skater, 1988 Olympic gold medalist)/Mark Ballas
Cristian de la Fuente (Latin American telenovela actor)/Cheryl Burke
Monica Seles (retired tennis great)/Jonathan Roberts
Mario (R&B phenom; not to be confused with Mario Lopez ;))/Karina Smirnoff
Steve Guttenberg (actor pushing 50; I loved him in "Three Men and a Baby")/Anna Trebunskaya
Jason Taylor (from the Miami Dolphins)/Edyta Sliwinska
Shannon Elizabeth (sexy actress from the "American Pie" movies)/Derek Hough
Priscilla Presley (she was once married to Elvis Whatshisname ;))/Louis van Amstel

Notice that Maks is not among the pros competing this cycle; I am hearing he just wants to take a break this time.

The ABC PR of the announcement: http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancingwiththestars/index?pn=announcement

LL3HD

02-18-08, 10:30 PM

Here it is...the lineup for DWTS season 6, to premiere on March 17:

Marlee Matlin (Oscar-winning hearing-impaired actress)
Penn Jillette (tall half of Penn & Teller)
Marissa Jaret Winokur (Tony-winning stage actress)
Adam Carolla (co-host of "The Man Show")
Kristi Yamaguchi (figure skater, 1988 Olympic gold medalist)
Cristian de la Fuente (Latin American telenovela actor)
Monica Seles (retired tennis great)
Mario (R&B phenom; not to be confused with Mario Lopez ;))
Steve Guttenberg (actor pushing 50; I loved him in "Three Men and a Baby")
Jason Taylor (from the Miami Dolphins)
Shannon Elizabeth (sexy actress from the "American Pie" movies)
Priscilla Presley (she was once married to Elvis Whatshisname ;))

Their pro partners will be announced tomorrow morning on Good Morning America, with Priscilla making a guest appearance.

The ABC PR of the announcement: http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancingwiththestars/index?pn=announcementWow :eek:

Oh... and thanks for the posting :cool:

SowegaBowler

02-18-08, 10:37 PM

Glad to help out, Larry. :)

juancmjr

02-18-08, 11:48 PM

Early picks for me-
Cristian De la Fuente, Monica Seles, Mario or Shannon Elizabeth.

Al Shing

02-19-08, 01:24 AM

I gotta go with Kristi Yamaguchi. She tried pairs figure skating before she went singles. All those years in Stars On Ice have to be helpful, too.

archiguy

02-19-08, 07:46 AM

I gotta go with Kristi Yamaguchi. She tried pairs figure skating before she went singles. All those years in Stars On Ice have to be helpful, too.

Yeah, her figure skating experience would logically make her the heavy favorite, but as we've seen, most recently regarding the travesty that happened with Sabrina last year, actual ability seems to mean nothing when it comes down to audience votes. :rolleyes:

Marlee Matlin had one of the most....ah....impressive figures in Hollywood a few years back, but after 4 kids, probably not so much. Still, I expect her to fill out a skimpy dancer's costume fairly well. Shannon Elizabeth will probably be the most "impressive" female contestant from an ogling standpoint (which is, let's face it, the reason most men who watch this show tune in). ;)

Maxim is reportedly sitting this season out.

hooked01

02-19-08, 07:54 AM

Looks like they stacked the celebrity list so that a woman wins this time around! No limber/athletic young guys this time around. The closest one is Jason Taylor.

archiguy

02-19-08, 07:59 AM

Looks like they stacked the celebrity list so that a woman wins this time around! No limber/athletic young guys this time around. The closest one is Jason Taylor.

No matter. They tried to stack it last time. Remember Emmit Smith? :(

SowegaBowler

02-19-08, 10:12 AM

I have now found out who our stars' pro partners will be and added that info to my earlier post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13151624&postcount=1678

archiguy

02-19-08, 10:41 AM

Oh no! They stuck Kym with Penn Jillette! :eek: I give her two weeks, tops. :(

Does anyone know how they make these assignments? Is it as simple as drawing them out of a hat or is there some criteria they use?

jacksonian

02-19-08, 10:43 AM

Adam Carolla (co-host of "The Man Show")/Julianne Hough
Well, on one hand, I'm glad to see Julianne back because she's a doll, but there shall be no threepeat with Adam. She likely won't be around very long. Of course, he will be living every man's dream. :)

Kristi Yamaguchi (figure skater, 1988 Olympic gold medalist)/Mark Ballas
Cristian de la Fuente (Latin American telenovela actor)/Cheryl Burke
Mario (R&B phenom; not to be confused with Mario Lopez ;))/Karina Smirnoff
Shannon Elizabeth (sexy actress from the "American Pie" movies)/Derek Hough

These all look to be VERY tough! I'd have to put my money on Kristi or Shannon at this point. Derek is a great teacher, so if Shannon has any talent, they should be awesome together. Kristi should certainly do well with her experience. And don't rule out Cheryl with the Latin guy. If he has any rhythm, Cheryl could easily take him to the top (although she seemed to have lost her mojo the last couple of seasons, just didn't have her old spark, maybe it was her partners).

humdinger70

02-19-08, 11:36 AM

Here it is...the lineup for DWTS season 6, to premiere on March 17, with pro partners:

Marlee Matlin (Oscar-winning hearing-impaired actress)/Fabian Sanchez

I'm hoping they chose Fabian (who obviously is this season's "rookie" professional) to partner up with Marlee because he is fluent in lip-reading and/or sign language. Communication between partners is critical, especially during training!

humdinger70

02-19-08, 12:13 PM

It's supposed to be "Dancing with the Stars" (i.e., film, TV, stage) but the sports-based people have dominated the last few go-rounds (Season 3 winner Emmitt Smith (football), Season 4 winner Apolo Anton Ono (short-track speed skater), Season 5 winner Helio Castroneves (Indy race car driver)... no I didn't forget Laila Ali, Season 4 (?) second place).

Why has that happened? Is there something the sports-based people have figured out that the entertainment-based people have not? Or is it that being athletes (who are used to training regimens) actually helps in making the transition to dance?

humdinger70

02-19-08, 12:16 PM

Going to be interesting how Jimmy Kimmel (Adam Corolla's former "The Man Show" partner) reacts to this, as well as what happens if and when Adam gets voted off and he makes the usual appearance (as others have done) on Jimmy's show. (bring out some "Juggies" for old times' sake? Girls on trampolines?)

teevman

02-19-08, 12:27 PM

how the heck can you dance if you can't hear?

Knicks_Fan

02-19-08, 12:49 PM

how the heck can you dance if you can't hear?
I don't know if she has some hearing or can she "feel the music" ?

Mac The Knife

02-19-08, 12:51 PM

how the heck can you dance if you can't hear?

Yeah, I thought of that too when they said her name. Although I assume the music is load enough that she'll be able to feel the beat most of the time. And, theoretically, she's supposed to be following her partner's lead, so maybe it won't make too much difference.

Mac The Knife

02-19-08, 12:55 PM

Well, on one hand, I'm glad to see Julianne back because she's a doll, but there shall be no threepeat with Adam. She likely won't be around very long. Of course, he will be living every man's dream. :)

Oh this really bums me out. Looks like we'll only have a couple of weeks worth of Julianne this season.

These all look to be VERY tough! I'd have to put my money on Kristi or Shannon at this point. Derek is a great teacher, so if Shannon has any talent, they should be awesome together. Kristi should certainly do well with her experience. And don't rule out Cheryl with the Latin guy. If he has any rhythm, Cheryl could easily take him to the top (although she seemed to have lost her mojo the last couple of seasons, just didn't have her old spark, maybe it was her partners).

Sure looks like another attempt at a female ringer. Kristie and Mark are going to be an extremely formidable couple, both athletically and fan base wise since Kristie is so well known and such a big draw.

hooked01

02-19-08, 12:57 PM

juancmjr

02-19-08, 07:00 PM

I was wondering the same thing about Marlee Matlin. However years ago I did see a news report about a completely deaf teen who could swing dance with perfect rhythm. His partner was at a loss to explain how he followed the music, but that he could. As others have posted maybe she will 'feel' the music somehow or just follow her teacher's lead.

A little Julianne is better than none at all...:D

archiguy

02-19-08, 07:09 PM

I am emberassed that I can answer these questions!!!

1) How they choose partners...Somebody made the comment last season that there's some lady that's the dance coordinator or some other title that match up the celebrities to the dancers...it's not a random process.

Well, if I'm Anna and I get stuck with Master P, I'm going to be a little pissed. You better give me Mario or somebody next time.... see how that could get out of hand?

The problem with that system, seems to me, would be it would be difficult not to perceive a possibility of favoritism or create an environment of unseemly lobbying for the best, most athletic celebrity partners. Don't the pros get paid something like $20,000 a week as long as they're in it? That's serious money to them, and they don't get much out of the whole process if their guy or gal gets canned early. I'd like to know for sure how it's done; wonder if ABC has put that info out in a press release or something? Or, if it's just as subjective as "hooked" has implied, maybe they don't want people to know how it's done. Sort of the Sausage Principle. ;)

ftaok

02-19-08, 10:04 PM

Well, if I'm Anna and I get stuck with Master P, I'm going to be a little pissed. You better give me Mario or somebody next time.... see how that could get out of hand?

Ashley was the one who got stuck with Master P, not Anna.

Anyways, in Master P's defense, he really didn't want to be there, and it showed. His son was supposed to do the show, but either got hurt or backed out at the last second. Master P filled in last minute. Either way, he really sucked.

teevman

02-19-08, 10:18 PM

shannon elizabeth, i can hardly wait :)

IrmoGamecoq

02-20-08, 08:08 AM

shannon elizabeth, i can hardly wait :)

Ditto. That was the big news from that announcement from me.

Oh, and can I get a "called it" on the Monica Seles selection? ;)

archiguy

02-20-08, 08:40 AM

Ashley was the one who got stuck with Master P, not Anna.

Anyways, in Master P's defense, he really didn't want to be there, and it showed. His son was supposed to do the show, but either got hurt or backed out at the last second. Master P filled in last minute. Either way, he really sucked.

Yeah, it was Ashley, but the point is the same. Look at Cheryl and Wayne Newton. Granted, she won two straight and maybe they thought she "needed a break", but still - that's a month or two of hard practice for what she surely knew would have no payoff. Ditto all the rest of the pros who get stuck with obvious celebrity cannon fodder. I would think that would produce some backstage tension, to say the least.

I'd really like to know, in detail, how they pair them up and what criteria they use.

IrmoGamecoq

02-20-08, 08:46 AM

Cheryl might be getting back into contention again with this new partner. I know nothing of the guy, but if he's a telenovella star, he's probably pretty attractive and fit like her past champions.

ftaok

02-20-08, 09:48 AM

Yeah, it was Ashley, but the point is the same. Look at Cheryl and Wayne Newton. Granted, she won two straight and maybe they thought she "needed a break", but still - that's a month or two of hard practice for what she surely knew would have no payoff. Ditto all the rest of the pros who get stuck with obvious celebrity cannon fodder. I would think that would produce some backstage tension, to say the least.

I'd really like to know, in detail, how they pair them up and what criteria they use.
As far as pairings, Kym Johnson should really be upset. While she did end up with Joey F, he was sandwiched between Jerry Springer and Mark Cuban. Neither of those guys could be considered as "favorites".

This time, she's got Penn Jillette. That guy must be at least 6'6" tall. Maybe he can dance, but I doubt it. But I guess that's why "they dance the dances".

ft

Oops, I just realized that you mentioned that in a separate post. My bad.

logicalnoise

02-20-08, 11:07 AM

don't count penn juliette out. He's a master magician and a magician performs a dance with every trick he performs. I'm not accounting for taste or his actual sense of rhythm but penn should have the mind for dancing.

Mac The Knife

02-20-08, 12:33 PM

Well, if I'm Anna and I get stuck with Master P, I'm going to be a little pissed. You better give me Mario or somebody next time.... see how that could get out of hand?

The problem with that system, seems to me, would be it would be difficult not to perceive a possibility of favoritism or create an environment of unseemly lobbying for the best, most athletic celebrity partners. Don't the pros get paid something like $20,000 a week as long as they're in it? That's serious money to them, and they don't get much out of the whole process if their guy or gal gets canned early. I'd like to know for sure how it's done; wonder if ABC has put that info out in a press release or something? Or, if it's just as subjective as "hooked" has implied, maybe they don't want people to know how it's done. Sort of the Sausage Principle. ;)

This is another one of reasons why I wish they would drop the weekly eliminations and change to cumulative point system with everybody in it for the first half of the season then eliminate the lower half of the couples and finish the season with the top half.

I think this would be much fairer for both the Pros and the Celebs. And especially much better for us fans who want to see as much of Julianna and Edyta as possible every season. :D