Infinity Primus Owner's Thread [Text View] - Page 10

markwriter

11-27-09, 11:43 PM

I thought I read it somewhere that states that its not a good idea to lay floorstanding speakers on the side as center speakers.
Yeah, deals sucks....hopefully cyber monday have something.

Hopefully everyone can get good deals out there, but if it makes anyone feel better, these speakers really are a bargain at full list ($650). I've had many speakers come through my house, many of them considered much better than some lowly Infinities (Triangle, Quad, Canton, Acoustic Energy, B&W, etc) and the Primus 360 is among the best of the best of any of them. I sympathize with those who want to get them for $99 each, but even at $199 each they're an extremely good speaker, and probably a uniquely good value. They've had more technology used in their R&D than many upper-mid-high end speakers (like I mentioned) and vastly more than many boutique speakers that you will never ever see for $400 a pair.

exerciseguy

11-28-09, 05:49 PM

Hopefully everyone can get good deals out there, but if it makes anyone feel better, these speakers really are a bargain at full list ($650). I've had many speakers come through my house, many of them considered much better than some lowly Infinities (Triangle, Quad, Canton, Acoustic Energy, B&W, etc) and the Primus 360 is among the best of the best of any of them. I sympathize with those who want to get them for $99 each, but even at $199 each they're an extremely good speaker, and probably a uniquely good value. They've had more technology used in their R&D than many upper-mid-high end speakers (like I mentioned) and vastly more than many boutique speakers that you will never ever see for $400 a pair.

Jeez $99, I paid something like $70-ea. when Harman was blowing the P362 out the door a while back @ their eBay store.

I got mocked when I compared these to the Monitor Audio RS6 on another forum, but after living with them for some time I am convinced the P362 & the whole Primus Series continue to be the single best bargain going in speakerdom.

If Harman/Infinity was wise, they would add some veneer choices & perhaps some outrigger feet to this line & smash the competition.

dfms23

11-28-09, 08:00 PM

I called up Audioholics to ask about their price matching policies. They said they will often match prices prior to purchase to ensure your purchase with them. Price matching a competitor's lower price after you have bought from Audioholics is apparently your-results-may-vary. They do have a 30 day price match guaruntee if THEIR price goes down, too. From what I can tell they really have some great customer service. They even offer a free extended warranty on all of their purchases. Anyone dealt with them?

markwriter

11-29-09, 12:13 AM

Jeez $99, I paid something like $70-ea. when Harman was blowing the P362 out the door a while back @ their eBay store.

I got mocked when I compared these to the Monitor Audio RS6 on another forum, but after living with them for some time I am convinced the P362 & the whole Primus Series continue to be the single best bargain going in speakerdom.

If Harman/Infinity was wise, they would add some veneer choices & perhaps some outrigger feet to this line & smash the competition.

On what basis would they say the RS6 is better? Just anecdotes, right? Unfortunately, the market position of the P362 makes it appear just slightly better than the value priced Sony speakers at Best Buy. The average guy has no idea how vastly more advanced Harman products are than most other ones. It's ironic, though, that you have all these boutique brands like MA or Quad putting out 2 1/2 way speakers for around $1k, and Harman can put out a much more sophisticated true three way for 30% less, and hardly anybody can believe it. I agree that these speakers could do very well in properly administered DBT's against all sorts of beautifully veneered boutique speakers costing $1200, $1500, etc.

BDestroyer8418

11-29-09, 12:47 AM

$149.99 @ Fry's = http://www.frys.com/product/5223687

blued888

11-29-09, 01:12 AM

On what basis would they say the RS6 is better? Just anecdotes, right? Unfortunately, the market position of the P362 makes it appear just slightly better than the value priced Sony speakers at Best Buy. The average guy has no idea how vastly more advanced Harman products are than most other ones. It's ironic, though, that you have all these boutique brands like MA or Quad putting out 2 1/2 way speakers for around $1k, and Harman can put out a much more sophisticated true three way for 30% less, and hardly anybody can believe it. I agree that these speakers could do very well in properly administered DBT's against all sorts of beautifully veneered boutique speakers costing $1200, $1500, etc.

You seem awfully worked up when another person compares something with the P362.

I mean sure, they are good speakers for what they are priced at but you don't need to get into an argument with most people who compare it with another speaker model.

On a positive look for Harman's side, I would bet you gave them somewhat a boost in sales with your posts in relation to the P362's. :D

markwriter

11-29-09, 11:59 AM

You seem awfully worked up when another person compares something with the P362.

I mean sure, they are good speakers for what they are priced at but you don't need to get into an argument with most people who compare it with another speaker model.

I think it's the non-reasons that people cite. This forum is called av science, so people should have better reasoning that just "I heard them, they're great" kind of thing. It's just so incongruous.

charliebeagledog

11-29-09, 02:24 PM

Well its decision time for my 7.1 system

First for sure its at least two P362's up front.

For the center Channel I'm thinking of laying a P362 on its side in my tv stand or if I need to getting a pc350. From whats been posted the 362 will sound better a s a center channel but are there any isues with putting this speaker on its side??

Then its a decision on the sides and rears--are the 362's overkill for the rears? would I be fine with the 162's or is it worth the extra $110 (total) to pick up an extra pair of the 362's for either the rears or surround (they would fit better in the rear). Because of the room layout the 162's would be better for the surrounds but I'm open to discussion here or suggestions. For the rears I'm leaning toward the 362's because by the time I buy speaker stands I might as well have the 362's

At some later date I will look for a sub woofer to compliment this setup.

Its all getting hooked to a Harman Kardon HK AVS354 7.1 reciever. Complimenting a Samsung LN52B750 and a PS3.

Thanks

Onykonewb

11-29-09, 03:59 PM

exerciseguy

11-29-09, 09:10 PM

On what basis would they say the RS6 is better? Just anecdotes, right? Unfortunately, the market position of the P362 makes it appear just slightly better than the value priced Sony speakers at Best Buy. The average guy has no idea how vastly more advanced Harman products are than most other ones. It's ironic, though, that you have all these boutique brands like MA or Quad putting out 2 1/2 way speakers for around $1k, and Harman can put out a much more sophisticated true three way for 30% less, and hardly anybody can believe it. I agree that these speakers could do very well in properly administered DBT's against all sorts of beautifully veneered boutique speakers costing $1200, $1500, etc.

The usual buzz-words got thrown around, I've only listened to the RS6 a few times, and they were great, I commented on how the first time I listened to the P362 how similar the two sounded from what I remembered; the use of a kind of anodized aluminum throughout in each might have something to do with that.

The fact remains, these speakers are an obscene value, I put together a 2.1-Ch. system for less than $500 that can easily rival on costing 3X as much, maybe more.

markwriter

11-29-09, 11:17 PM

The usual buzz-words got thrown around, I've only listened to the RS6 a few times, and they were great, I commented on how the first time I listened to the P362 how similar the two sounded from what I remembered; the use of a kind of anodized aluminum throughout in each might have something to do with that.

The fact remains, these speakers are an obscene value, I put together a 2.1-Ch. system for less than $500 that can easily rival on costing 3X as much, maybe more.

Yeah, absolutely. I found an 80 watt Yamaha 2ch receiver for $40 bucks. That's all you need for 85% of the fidelity anyone's ever going to hear from 2 channel.

exerciseguy

11-29-09, 11:28 PM

Yeah, absolutely. I found an 80 watt Yamaha 2ch receiver for $40 bucks. That's all you need for 85% of the fidelity anyone's ever going to hear from 2 channel.

That sounds about right, it might even be less than that with my HK3485 that I paid $150 for.

charliebeagledog

11-30-09, 03:38 PM

4- p362's a pc350 and two p162's for my 7.1 system!!

Split the order between cruthcfield (the pc350 and 162's) and Frys.

Frys chews you up with $29 shipping per speaker!! if I wasnt very sure hese were keepers for me I would have done it with Crutchfield... soo much less hassle and better service.

Frys shipping calculator is so screwed up that I had to place 4 separate orders to keep the shipping cost from more than doubling if placed together. I called them and thats what they told me to do (ymmv shipping is somewhat based on zip code I think so do your own math on that)

I talked with the customer service folks at HK who also said do not lay a 362 on its side as a center speaker as it will affect the soundstage and not preform properly so i got the pc350

Onykonewb

11-30-09, 03:48 PM

charliebeagledog

11-30-09, 04:19 PM

So your saying the HK AVR354 7.1 isnt beefy enough to drive these effectively?

you really want me to end up in dovorce court don't you ...lol

Onykonewb

11-30-09, 04:23 PM

So your saying the HK AVR354 7.1 isnt beefy enough to drive these effectively?

you really want me to end up in dovorce court don't you ...lol

More power doesn’t just mean louder. A receiver with a stronger amplifier can deliver sound with greater dynamic impact and clarity, at any volume level.

I would suggest at least 100w a channel.

calnbs

11-30-09, 04:31 PM

So your saying the HK AVR354 7.1 isnt beefy enough to drive these effectively?

you really want me to end up in dovorce court don't you ...lol

Your HK is fine. Don't be deceive by HK's low numbers. HK have always been very conservative when putting wattage on their receiver. That 75 watts is better than most receiver claiming 100 watts or more.

afrogt

11-30-09, 04:53 PM

Exactly, that HK is power more powerful than receivers that "claim" 100 watts per channel. Many of those receivers are rated with 1 channel driven or two channels at 1khz.

your HK is rated at 75 wpc with ALL SEVEN channels driven into 8ohms from 20hz-20khz. It'll have plenty of power for those Infinity 362's.

If you feel you still need more power, then get an external amp.

markwriter

11-30-09, 05:24 PM

More power doesn’t just mean louder. A receiver with a stronger amplifier can deliver sound with greater dynamic impact and clarity, at any volume level.

Are you saying a 100 amp played at low volume will have greater dynamic impact and clarity than a 50 watt amp played at a low volume?

markwriter

11-30-09, 05:26 PM

now upgrade your receiver - you need big power to push the 362's :)

Just kidding, right?

They're an easy to drive speaker that doesn't require a lot of power.

"the 360 will still play very loudly with only a few watts of input power. (http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/605infinity/index3.html)" John Atkinson

Onykonewb

11-30-09, 05:38 PM

Are you saying a 100 amp played at low volume will have greater dynamic impact and clarity than a 50 watt amp played at a low volume?

I said any volume , read my post again.

Alot of people associate more wattage with being louder which is not the case at all. More wattage usually mean better Dynamic Headroom and lower distortion. Loud momentary music passages (such as beating of drum) can reach as high as 200-300 watts. And if amp doesn’t have that much power in reserve (Dynamic Headroom), then result would be higher distortion (THD to be more specific) and lower quality sound.

allargon

11-30-09, 06:24 PM

At certain frequencies the Primus 362 and 360 drop to 4 Ohm impedance, that's when you want more power.

I haven't experienced ANY clipping with my HK AVR 247 and my P362's. I seriously doubt if additional amplification is needed unless you're using a Son...err underpowered receiver.

Drums don't reach 200-300 Watts on a disc unless you have the equipment to push it up that high--even then if you're working w/ 4Ohm or lower impedance speakers, that much power may not be enough to generate a large SPL depending on the room conditions, etc.

markwriter

11-30-09, 06:25 PM

I said any volume , read my post again.

Alot of people associate more wattage with being louder which is not the case at all. More wattage usually mean better Dynamic Headroom and lower distortion. Loud momentary music passages (such as beating of drum) can reach as high as 200-300 watts. And if amp doesn’t have that much power in reserve (Dynamic Headroom), then result would be higher distortion (THD to be more specific) and lower quality sound.

At low volume you're so far away from distortion that what you wrote isn't true.

Onykonewb

11-30-09, 06:41 PM

However,the 360's with an impedance magnitude that drops below 4 ohms in the lower midrange and high treble and an electrical phase angle that is extreme in the upper bass , the speaker needs to be partnered with an amplifier or receiver that can drive low impedances with aplomb. (The combination of 5.2 ohms and –45º phase angle at 93Hz will tax amplifiers rated at 8 ohms.) ......

markwriter

11-30-09, 06:43 PM

GLBright

11-30-09, 08:37 PM

Guys, guys! More power is always better, but not always necessary. When a 350wpc Carver M-1.5t fell into my lap and replaced the 110wpc I was using to drive my Interlude IL-60s the difference was night and day at essentially any volume level above a whisper. Anecdotal I realize. It's tough sometimes to know how to correctly apportion available funds between speaker quality and amp power. There may be Primus users out there using SET tube amps with maybe 10wpc and loving it. But you know my second decent rig was The Advent Loudspeakers driven by a 30wpc Sony receiver in 1972. It filled the room and sounded great. I'm listening to those same speakers as I write this. So I humbly suggest not getting too terribly worked up about power unless you're a total volume junkie. Just some random thoughts.

markwriter

12-01-09, 01:03 PM

More power is always better, but not always necessary. When a 350wpc Carver M-1.5t fell into my lap and replaced the 110wpc I was using to drive my Interlude IL-60s the difference was night and day at essentially any volume level above a whisper.

It sounds like you're saying that .5 - 2 watts that you're using to drive typical volumes sound better coming from a bigger amp than a smaller amp. In both cases you're driving .5-2 watts, but the bigger amp just sounds better? Night and day better? In the case of your IL60's, the internal amp drove everything 150 hz and under.

Lhasa-lover

12-01-09, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Onykonewb
now upgrade your receiver - you need big power to push the 362's

Just kidding, right?

They're an easy to drive speaker that doesn't require a lot of power.

"the 360 will still play very loudly with only a few watts of input power. (http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/605infinity/index3.html)" John Atkinson

Onykonewb, don't allow yourself to be drawn into Markwriter's obsession with Primus speakers. If you haven't noticed nobody and I mean NOBODY can say anything and I mean ANYTHING negative about these speakers and expect to have any sort of resonable dialog with him. He is entitled to his opinions and his opinion is that these Primus speakers are better than speakers that cost 100 times as much and has publically stated this, often. B&W, Paradigm, Montior Audio, etc. regardless of model, are all inferior to Primus speakers. Bow down to to the reality that is Markwriter's reality else you will find yourself engaged in a never ending string of posts with him getting nastier, meaner, and more sarcastic with each post that you do not agree with. :D

markwriter

12-01-09, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Onykonewb
now upgrade your receiver - you need big power to push the 362's

Onykonewb, don't allow yourself to be drawn into Markwriter's obsession with Primus speakers. If you haven't noticed nobody and I mean NOBODY can say anything and I mean ANYTHING negative about these speakers and expect to have any sort of resonable dialog with him. He is entitled to his opinions and his opinion is that these Primus speakers are better than speakers that cost 100 times as much and has publically stated this, often. B&W, Paradigm, Montior Audio, etc. regardless of model, are all inferior to Primus speakers. Bow down to to the reality that is Markwriter's reality else you will find yourself engaged in a never ending string of posts with him getting nastier, meaner, and more sarcastic with each post that you do not agree with. :D

I quote John Atkinson and this is all you can add? Thanks for trying!

Transmaniacon

12-01-09, 01:37 PM

I really don't think the average listener is going to need much more amplification than what the receiver provides. If you are wanting to listen at reference levels, you probably have a dedicated home theatre, and nicer speakers than the Primus'.

longball07

12-01-09, 02:08 PM

markwriter

12-01-09, 02:12 PM

Looking at this setup.

P152's for front and rear, PC350 for center and two monoprice in-ceiling speakers to round it out. Either the PS28 or PS210 for the sub. I was looking at the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K as my receiver because of all the great reviews it has gotten.

**also was tinkering with the idea of only have two 152's as front and buying two monoprice in wall for rear surround or using the in ceiling as rear and going 5.1. ***

What do you guys think?

Have you found a bench-test online for the Pioneer to make sure it's putting out what they say it's putting out, watt-wise?

What about Infinity in-walls?

Check your local craigslist for any primus deals there. There was a guy in PHX recently selling 2 pairs for $150.

Lhasa-lover

12-01-09, 03:24 PM

I quote John Atkinson and this is all you can add? Thanks for trying!

I don't believe I've met anybody more into idol worship than you. I guess you have added, yet, another totem to bow down to and worship. Hell, well if John Atkinson said Primus speakers are better than B&W, Monitor Audio and any other speaker costing up to 100 times more, then I guess it's gospel! Ironic that John has never said any of those things, though.

Lhasa-lover

12-01-09, 03:30 PM

...you probably have a dedicated home theatre, and nicer speakers than the Primus'.

Bite your tongue. Don't you know that there are no nicer speakers than Primus, not at ten times or even a hundred times more. It just doesn't get any better. Just ask Markwriter. I don't believe you would even dare to suggest such a thing! :D

markwriter

12-01-09, 03:34 PM

I don't believe I've met anybody more into idol worship than you. I guess you have added, yet, another totem to bow down to and worship. Hell, well if John Atkinson said Primus speakers are better than B&W, Monitor Audio and any other speaker costing up to 100 times more, then I guess it's gospel! Ironic that John has never said any of those things, though.

No, he just measured the performance, that's all.

"the Primus 360's waterfall or cumulative spectral-decay plot (fig.7) is among the best I have measured, with a very clean initial decay and almost no ridges of delayed energy apparent. This Infinity may be bargain-priced, but it demonstrates extraordinarily competent loudspeaker engineering."

GLBright

12-01-09, 08:07 PM

It sounds like you're saying that .5 - 2 watts that you're using to drive typical volumes sound better coming from a bigger amp than a smaller amp. In both cases you're driving .5-2 watts, but the bigger amp just sounds better? Night and day better? In the case of your IL60's, the internal amp drove everything 150 hz and under.

OK, maybe I went over the top a little. But for the music I listen to (British Brass Band, Drum and Bugle Corps, Mahler, classical pipe organ, Stan Kenton, solo piano music [Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, et al] the difference is indeed noticable. Even with the powered subs. Mahler's music has the widest dynamic range of anything I've ever heard, and last night's audition of the new San Francisco Symphony 8th SACD was revelatory. Likewise piano has attack transients that need more than just the average power necessary to produce 100dB @ 1m. Otherwise I would never have seen my receiver go into protection mode, and the Carver's overload lights come on. And hey, even though I'm 61 I'm not deaf. 105dB at the sweet spot is really, really loud. Pax.

We can at least agree that Infinity makes great speakers (I have 4 pairs and two centers).

markwriter

12-01-09, 09:42 PM

OK, maybe I went over the top a little. But for the music I listen to (British Brass Band, Drum and Bugle Corps, Mahler, classical pipe organ, Stan Kenton, solo piano music [Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, et al] the difference is indeed noticable. Even with the powered subs. Mahler's music has the widest dynamic range of anything I've ever heard, and last night's audition of the new San Francisco Symphony 8th SACD was revelatory. Likewise piano has attack transients that need more than just the average power necessary to produce 100dB @ 1m. Otherwise I would never have seen my receiver go into protection mode, and the Carver's overload lights come on. And hey, even though I'm 61 I'm not deaf. 105dB at the sweet spot is really, really loud. Pax.

We can at least agree that Infinity makes great speakers (I have 4 pairs and two centers).

What you say is a lot more credible given the dynamic range of the music you listen to. 105db at the sweet spot is hearing-impairment! :)

GLBright

12-01-09, 10:03 PM

What you say is a lot more credible given the dynamic range of the music you listen to. 105db at the sweet spot is hearing-impairment! :)

I did say that 105dB was really loud, not that I listened at that level all the time.:) Only on special occasions like last night. And when realism and the memory of a live performance kick in.

lou99

12-01-09, 11:46 PM

Reading some of the comments/praise in this thread has me questioning the legitimacy of them.

Just a thought :)

calnbs

12-02-09, 12:14 AM

Reading some of the comments/praise in this thread has me questioning the legitimacy of them.

Just a thought :)

Depends on how you look at it. For me, I wouldn't pay $299/each for Infinity P362, but I got them for $99/each....and I believe that was a great bang for the buck and will buy it again without any hesitation for that bargain price.

RonaldoCombs

12-02-09, 12:19 AM

Reading some of the comments/praise in this thread has me questioning the legitimacy of them.

Just a thought :)

They are legit - listen to them. or read all 2300+ comments, listening might be more fun... IMO they are worth MSRP which almost nobody pays.

Ron

lou99

12-02-09, 12:21 AM

Where are the good deals?

chrishoyt

12-02-09, 03:16 AM

Looking at this setup.
I was looking at the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K as my receiver because of all the great reviews it has gotten.

You mind as well go up to the lower end Elite...I have the VSX-01TXH and it does more than the 1019 does for just a little bit more $$...I found that the standard Pioneer models don't have HDMI switching, or aleast the 1018 didn't. I also like the building material in the Elite models over the no elite. I has great reviews...too.

calnbs

12-02-09, 10:22 AM

You mind as well go up to the lower end Elite...I have the VSX-01TXH and it does more than the 1019 does for just a little bit more $$...I found that the standard Pioneer models don't have HDMI switching, or aleast the 1018 didn't. I also like the building material in the Elite models over the no elite. I has great reviews...too.

I'm going to agree with this. I'm just not a fan of Pioneer unless it's in the Elite model. Their prices are too close to other mid-level receiver to warrent their purchase, but that is just me. I take an last year model/refurbished model from Onkyo, Marantz, Harman Kardon over this Pioneer any day.

longball07

12-02-09, 12:11 PM

But I don't think the VXS-01TXH does HDMI 1080p Video Upscaling and the 1019 does.

calnbs

12-03-09, 01:28 PM

Where are the good deals?

Frys.com are selling the Infinity P362 pretty cheap now.

charliebeagledog

12-03-09, 02:31 PM

Reading some of the comments/praise in this thread has me questioning the legitimacy of them.

Just a thought :)

I'll let you know once the system is set up. I bought my whole system without hearing one piece of it based on information obtained from this site an decided on the primus line as a good value to match up with my HK reciever. I did go out and listen to polks and monitor audios and klipschs as well but couldnt find an infinity dealer within 2 hours (frys)

I think there are some that are quite exhuberant about these speakers and they appear to represent a great value I I am dissapointed in any way I will honestly and openly critique them.

As or the deals I picked up my 362's using the deal at Frys but their shipping calculator is so screwed up that you will fare much better ordering them one at a time (it cut the shipping charges in half) I called them and pointed this out and thats what Frys told me to do.

Having said that it really only costs $10 more to get these from Crutchfield using their free shipping promo and a $20 off coupon available easily online. and I wish I had. They are so much easier to deal with and if you dont like them return shipping is something like $7.00 for the whole order.

Frys is so difficult to deal with!!!
I wanted to order for pickup at their store but the store is out of stock so I can't order. Frys.com cant order to ship to a store either for whatever reason ). I call the store to see if I can order at the sale price and wait for them to come in and they won't do that(not to mention that the price was only good online too). If I don't like the speakers I cant return them to a Frys store I have to pay return shipping. Now they are out of stock online and you can't order them there either. It just seems screwed up all around. Calling Frys customerservice can get you a different answer everytime you call. Calling crutchfield is a much different experience. they may not be the absoloute lowest price but they more than make up for it in customer friendly service and policies.

I will listen to these with an open mind and a critical ear and let you know what we think once its set up.

Onykonewb

12-03-09, 02:55 PM

Got my tripod and radio shack spl meter today and retuned the 362's to my listening position.

Had to turn all of the speakers up a few decibels - they are sounding really great.

I think there might be something to it that these speakers need to be broke in a few weeks , they are definitely sounding warmer.

markwriter

12-03-09, 02:58 PM

I'll let you know once the system is set up. I bought my whole system without hearing one piece of it based on information obtained from this site an decided on the primus line as a good value to match up with my HK reciever. I did go out and listen to polks and monitor audios and klipschs as well but couldnt find an infinity dealer within 2 hours (frys)

I think there are some that are quite exhuberant about these speakers and they appear to represent a great value I I am dissapointed in any way I will honestly and openly critique them.

As or the deals I picked up my 362's using the deal at Frys but their shipping calculator is so screwed up that you will fare much better ordering them one at a time (it cut the shipping charges in half) I called them and pointed this out and thats what Frys told me to do.

Having said that it really only costs $10 more to get these from Crutchfield using their free shipping promo and a $20 off coupon available easily online. and I wish I had. They are so much easier to deal with and if you dont like them return shipping is something like $7.00 for the whole order.

Frys is so difficult to deal with!!!
I wanted to order for pickup at their store but the store is out of stock so I can't order. Frys.com cant order to ship to a store either for whatever reason ). I call the store to see if I can order at the sale price and wait for them to come in and they won't do that(not to mention that the price was only good online too). If I don't like the speakers I cant return them to a Frys store I have to pay return shipping. Now they are out of stock online and you can't order them there either. It just seems screwed up all around. Calling Frys customerservice can get you a different answer everytime you call. Calling crutchfield is a much different experience. they may not be the absoloute lowest price but they more than make up for it in customer friendly service and policies.

I will listen to these with an open mind and a critical ear and let you know what we think once its set up.

It's too bad you don't have some monitor audio rs8's there so you can hear how much better they are in comparison. Do you have any other speakers there to compare them to or are you just going by memory?

Also, don't worry about break-in. That's a total myth (there's a whole article about it at audioholics, if you want an in-depth treatment). I got to speak personally with the lead engineer on the team and he sure didn't tell me to break them in.

njstone

12-03-09, 03:24 PM

But I don't think the VXS-01TXH does HDMI 1080p Video Upscaling and the 1019 does.

The current lowest Elite model is the VXS-21TXH, and that has the exact same video upscaling as the 1019 ... and is basically the same price for a 10lbs+ heavier receiver. I've been looking at both, and just ordered the Elite today!

njstone

12-03-09, 03:26 PM

Frys.com are selling the Infinity P362 pretty cheap now.

Okay. so HOW ARE THESE SPEAKERS? (sorry to yell, but I want to know because this 1/2 off deal seems insane!).

I've been looking at SVS speaker systems and am going to their showroom to listen next week, but I've heard great things about Infinity so I'm wondering how these would compare.

markwriter

12-03-09, 03:51 PM

Okay. so HOW ARE THESE SPEAKERS? (sorry to yell, but I want to know because this 1/2 off deal seems insane!).

I've been looking at SVS speaker systems and am going to their showroom to listen next week, but I've heard great things about Infinity so I'm wondering how these would compare.

Here's their description of their (SVS) development process: "Painstaking crossover engineering, months of precision computer design work and intense negotiations with suppliers around the globe have yielded the new cornerstone in main speakers under $1,000."

Any 4pi anechoic chambers in there? Any double blind testing? What were the design parameters and how did they get there? How did they evaluate their prototypes?

If they can't answer those questions as clearly as PSB (http://www.psbspeakers.com/overview), Paradigm, Axiom and Infinity (http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/technology/technology_whitepapers.aspx?Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA) (unfortunately, Energy doesn't do a good job of telling their R&D story (http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en/about/philosophy/)), then it's pretty hard to see how they arrive at better products.

http://www.psbspeakers.com/audio-topics
http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/r_and_d/

greggie

12-03-09, 03:52 PM

calnbs

12-03-09, 04:21 PM

Okay. so HOW ARE THESE SPEAKERS? (sorry to yell, but I want to know because this 1/2 off deal seems insane!).

I've been looking at SVS speaker systems and am going to their showroom to listen next week, but I've heard great things about Infinity so I'm wondering how these would compare.

Never heard SVS in person. Just read about their solid reputation as a good entry level HT system and an even better reputation for their subs.

If you had the chance to read through this thread, you'll see enough reviews about these speakers. The $149 price is a good deal, I got mine even cheaper. :D Mostly used as a HT setup, very little for music, even though it sounds good for music as well.

I'm not going to be the best person to break down these speakers for you...I lack a lot of vocabs to do any justice. 2ndly, I'm not a critical listener, just an average listener. For me, as long as the speaker projects a sound that is crisp, smooth, and detail without sounding harsh or hollow to my ears....that's half the battle. The 2nd thing is to be able to listen to a speaker at low volume or at high volume and still sound good and clear without out distortion. And finally, its about price and finish....Couldn't turn down a speaker going for $99/ each at that time...and that's how Infinity Primus ended up in my bedroom.

dfms23

12-03-09, 04:34 PM

I am shopping for front stage right now myself. The best deal I have found from an authorized retailer/e-tailer on the P362s is on Audioholics for $189 each with free shipping. That is actually a little less shipped to me in Colorado than Frys for $149 each because their shipping is $80 for the pair! I think that I am going to have to wait until the P362s get back down to around $140 or even $150 shipped. I really should buy something smaller because I am in an apartment so the price needs to drop a little for me to justify it to myself! lol :D. If Frys would drop them back to $99 I would snatch them up in an instant. How long has it been since they've been $99? I haven't seen them that low in many months.

calnbs

12-03-09, 04:38 PM

I picked up a pair at Frys for a 2.0 system and am very pleased with them. The store price-matched the web site - had to go to customer service to get that done. My main system is Swans Diva (6.1, C3, R3)... I like the Divas a bit better, but the P362s are excellent. No regrets!

I have the same thought but with my AV123 Rockets. Seems like the music and sound coming from my Rockets comes on with a little bit more authority, more punch, minor and little distinct sound differences between the two but not by much.

As an average listener, I often think is there that much of a difference in sound quality vs. the price differences between them? No regrets buying these 2 brands and the slight edge goes to the Rockets but sometimes, I have to wonder if the Rockets which costs 5x much more than the P362 but was it actually 5x better?

charliebeagledog

12-03-09, 04:48 PM

Okay. so HOW ARE THESE SPEAKERS? (sorry to yell, but I want to know because this 1/2 off deal seems insane!).

They seem to have quite a following. Even those who don't like them being compared to there much more expensive speakers don't really have anything bad to say about them, they just don't seem to like seeing them compared to them.

It was REALLY tough for me to buy speakers without listening to them. But No place has them anywhere near me and even Fry's (2hrs away) was OOS. The people who exclaim their great sound for them seem quite sincere and I appreciate their passion and willingness to share it about both the sound quality and value they represent.

It seems Crutchfield regularly has these for $199 which is just $50 over what Frys is offering them for. Factor in Crutchfields free shipping (or at the worst I think $11.00 shipping vs Frys $30 /speaker shipping rates (and then with ordering them separately order more than one and watch the shipping rates go up. note: ymmv shipping is based on zip code and a screwed up online shipping/handling calculator). Crutchfield has $20 of coupons online if you search and if you do your order over the phone and are nice you wil likely be able to use the coupon code twice and get them to waive one of the shipping charges. Net difference is $10/speaker (unless of course you live near a Frys that has these in stock and don't have to deal with any of this shipping BS)

njstone: take alook at the Harman Kardon AVR3547.1 its a decent AVR with great quality sound good audio video features for cheap money. You can get these as refurbs on HK's factory store on ebay with full mfr warranty for around $300 fully updated by HK before they send it to you(i just did a week or two ago)

As to the $99 I didnt recall ever reading that Frys had these for $99 I thought that was buying the refurbs on ebay from harmanaudio? (please someone correct me if I'm wrong)

markwriter

12-03-09, 04:55 PM

I have the same thought but with my AV123 Rockets. Seems like the music and sound coming from my Rockets comes on with a little bit more authority, more punch, minor and little distinct sound differences between the two but not by much.

As an average listener, I often think is there that much of a difference in sound quality vs. the price differences between them? No regrets buying these 2 brands and the slight edge goes to the Rockets but sometimes, I have to wonder if the Rockets which costs 5x much more than the P362 but was it actually 5x better?

I think you're hitting at the value proposition that Harman brings to the table. They are able to do so much to a speaker in so little time and with so little effort because they have the facilities to do so. They can take a prototype and have the industry's leading objective anechoic measurements on it in about 15 minutes. They can scan the speaker cabinet with a laser interferometer to pinpoint resonances discovered in their 360 degree measurement process. After that the double-blind listening tests can double-check the objective measurements. It's an incredibly efficient system. Most other speaker companies don't have any anechoic chambers, let alone 4pi, and they don't have a specialized department headed by a PhD whose sole job is to help discover whether the speakers sound good. There are other companies who have similar approaches (PSB and Paradigm come to mind) but outside of them and the other NRC influenced companies, most speaker companies are pretty opaque when it comes to their methodologies and technical resources.

The other thing that is interesting in what you said is about diminishing returns. Even with all this technology, there is not a linear scale of price and performance. Even in the Harman family, I had to buy $4k MSRP Revel M22's to get speakers that were better in every way than the Primus 360. It takes a lot of money to make audible SQ improvements after a certain level.

markwriter

12-03-09, 05:09 PM

It was REALLY tough for me to buy speakers without listening to them. But No place has them anywhere near me and even Fry's (2hrs away) was OOS. The people who exclaim their great sound for them seem quite sincere and I appreciate their passion and willingness to share it about both the sound quality and value they represent.

Crutchfield was the way I got my first pair of P360's in-house. That free return shipping made it no-risk. I had a pair of monitor audio rs8's at the time and I sold them and kept the P360's.

The story gets even more complicated. I got rid of the RS8's, but I also started looking for other speakers because I thought, surely a $300 pair of speakers could not be my main speakers (that's how much the P360's were on clearance for). That was waaaaay too cheap for such a knowledgeable audiophile as myself. Everyone knows you get what you pay for, right? So I bought a number of other speakers (used, but with higher MSRP's than the P360). Pair after pair went up against the P360's, and I didn't hear anything better, and most of it was worse. This so upset my audiophile preconceptions that I read everything I could about Harman and their development methodology, and as luck would have it I was able to talk to some of the staff there on one occasion. I was able to have a look at the subjective measurements, and if you read their white papers (http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/technology/technology_whitepapers.aspx?Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA) you'll know what I mean by that. They have a family of curves to spec out the objective performance of each speaker. The P360's is very very good (which is what John Atkinson corroborates in the Stereophile review of the P360). So that's why this speaker is so exciting to me. It offers high fidelity at a low price.

There's more to the story than that, but the general gist is it's hard to believe they're such good speakers when they cost so little. But they are. That's why I always say if the P360's were branded differently and wood veneered and sold for $1000 a pair, people would rave about them. But, since they were originally sold a circuit city, people can't believe that they're as good as they are.

If you want to learn even more about it, read plhart's posts in this thread "Inifinty speakers and bang for your buck" (Inifinty is how it's spelled in the title). His posts are about the Beta series (which he designed while at Harman) but he also talks some about Primus and Revel. Incredibly informative thread.

driftwood07

12-04-09, 12:34 AM

If Frys would drop them back to $99 I would snatch them up in an instant. How long has it been since they've been $99? I haven't seen them that low in many months.

Last time I saw them for $99/piece was October 2008, when I luckily snagged a pair, and to the best of my knowledge they haven't dipped that low again. Although I have seen them for $120 since then and $150 on several occasions.

rmb70

12-04-09, 04:08 AM

calnbs

12-04-09, 08:41 AM

blued888

12-04-09, 10:32 AM

Have anyone attempted to modify their P362? While researching, I found this pretty interesting read on improving the P362. Anyone handy enough to give it a shot? Post #6
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59474&highlight=infinity+primus

I have the appropriate screwdriver bit to open the cabinets but I am having second thoughts as it would cost me $550/pair (here in the Philippines) to replace the speakers if I do something wrong. :p

Plus, I'm not really sure if we have the appropriate materials locally available.

allargon

12-04-09, 12:08 PM

Have anyone attempted to modify their P362? While researching, I found this pretty interesting read on improving the P362. Anyone handy enough to give it a shot? Post #6
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59474&highlight=infinity+primus

Actually I plan to get around to cutting off the magnetic shielding from my P362's in the next week or so if work and my wife will give me a little private time.

markwriter

12-04-09, 12:41 PM

I have the appropriate screwdriver bit to open the cabinets but I am having second thoughts as it would cost me $550/pair (here in the Philippines) to replace the speakers if I do something wrong. :p

Plus, I'm not really sure if we have the appropriate materials locally available.

Here's plhart on this thread about this topic:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9980892#post9980892
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8455717#post8455717

I’ll be happy to give my views on the Infinity Primus series but can’t contribute any further afterwards to the Owner’s thread since I was not the Systems Design Engineer on the Primus.

-The Primus series was designed approximately four years ago by Bill D. who sat in the cubicle next to mine.

-In my estimation Bill is one of a handful of great loudspeaker design engineers. Bill has devised support software which complements the normal LEAP program we all used. For crossover design this software allows him to quickly come up with an extremely low parts count crossover which gives the best linear on-axis and (off-axis) power response envelope. It is this end result which allows the Primus series to be what I consider the absolute lowest price/highest performance ratio of any loudspeaker series in the Infinity line (if not the entire industry).

-for cost reasons the Primus line and all of its parts were made in China. The crossover components, both capacitors and inductors were lower quality implements that Bill was tasked to use for cost reasons. Same with the cabinet. The Chinese equivalent of 5/8” all around the wrap and back and I believe even on the front baffle. (Though the front may be ¾” (or 19mm).

-I would strongly suggest against ever trying to “upgrade” crossover parts in the quest for more performance. It isn’t gonna happen. Plus loosening and tightening the screws a couple of times and you’ll start to quickly wear out the threads cut into the brittle MDF that is used on these cabinets.

-the greatest chance for seeming unit-to-unit imbalance will come from the production variations of the tweeter. Again, low cost drives a wider plus or minus variation in each tweeter’s response. (I bet this opens up a can of worms…)

-In closing I’d recommend never trying to modify or mess with the Primus or any loudspeaker unit for that manner unless you really know what you’re doing. Just play with set-up, positioning and pointing your speakers and read everything you can about how to fix your room acoustics. Because once that sound launches from the speaker cones they’ve already performed their electrical-to-mechanical-to-acoustic sound wave trick. From there the room takes over. And the further you are from your speakers the more influence the room will exert on the sound at your ears.

Good luck to all’

Patrick

myh179

12-05-09, 08:08 AM

question.. how do we compare c25 and pc350? on paper, the specs are almost the same. Thanks.

nishantha

12-06-09, 01:38 PM

OK guys.( and any gals )

I have managed to "collect" 4 Infinity 362's and 2 Infinity Betas in addition to a Mirage C150C as a center. I also have a "Cheap" Sub from The Speaker Company. Obviously two of the 362's will go to the front left and right. Then I have the betas and the two 362's for the surrounds. I am at a quandary as to how I should select between the Betas and the 362's for the Surround back(L+R) and the Surround sides. (L+R). From an acoustic point of view should more emphasis be on the side Surround sounds or the Surround backs for Dolby DTS and other formats ? As of now I am driving them with an OLD Onkyo 580TX603B which is ok for my tastes.;)

Would appreciate any thoughts on the speaker placements.
Thanks
Nish

GLBright

12-06-09, 04:55 PM

OK guys.( and any gals )

I have managed to "collect" 2 Infinity Betas ... I am at a quandary as to how I should select between the Betas and the 362's for the Surround back(L+R) and the Surround sides. (L+R). From an acoustic point of view should more emphasis be on the side Surround sounds or the Surround backs for Dolby DTS and other formats ? As of now I am driving them with an OLD Onkyo 580TX603B which is ok for my tastes.;)

Would appreciate any thoughts on the speaker placements.
Thanks
Nish

You never say what Betas you have: 10s, 20s, 30s, etc. Makes a difference, you know.

nishantha

12-06-09, 05:07 PM

You never say what Betas you have: 10s, 20s, 30s, etc. Makes a difference, you know.

Thanks for your response. They are Beta 20's.

chrismc77

12-11-09, 12:21 PM

Transmaniacon

12-11-09, 12:34 PM

I would stick with the BIC F-12 with your Primus'. It has a lower extension than the Infinity sub, and the outputs are pretty similar, but the BIC has a higher sensitivity meaning it won't take as much power to drive it louder. Also, the BIC has a better quality BASH amp than the Infinity.

chrismc77

12-11-09, 12:53 PM

Thanks for your input...I see the specs but never know what they mean. When I have time, will try to read some articles to help me understand them.

In the meantime, when the BIC does come in, will make the switch.

Thanks again!

markwriter

12-11-09, 01:14 PM

Any suggestions?

I just order a Bic F12 subwoofer that I was going to use in my bedroom with my take 5 speakers. I have an Infinity Primus set in my livingroom for my main surround system with an Infinity PS210 subwoofer.

I really don't know much about specs, but there is a difference between the Bic and the PS210. Is the Bic better? If so, should I move that into the livingroom and the PS210 to my bedroom?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Specs taken from marketing literature are to be taken with a lot of skepticism. I'd be really surprised if BIC has ever put out any audio product that is better than an Infinity product. I'd definitely stick with the Infinity. The same engineers and world-class technology that was used to put together the Primus speakers was used to create the Primus subwoofers. There's no reason to think that BIC has anything close to this level of R&D sophistication.

Lhasa-lover

12-11-09, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by chrismc77
Any suggestions?

I just order a Bic F12 subwoofer that I was going to use in my bedroom with my take 5 speakers. I have an Infinity Primus set in my livingroom for my main surround system with an Infinity PS210 subwoofer.

I really don't know much about specs, but there is a difference between the Bic and the PS210. Is the Bic better? If so, should I move that into the livingroom and the PS210 to my bedroom?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Specs taken from marketing literature are to be taken with a lot of skepticism. I'd be really surprised if BIC has ever put out any audio product that is better than an Infinity product. I'd definitely stick with the Infinity. The same engineers and world-class technology that was used to put together the Primus speakers was used to create the Primus subwoofers. There's no reason to think that BIC has anything close to this level of R&D sophistication.

You need to take this with a grain of salt. Mark hates anything that is not Infinity. In his opinion, nothing, even speakers costing 100 times more, are as good as Infinity. To say he has major idol worship of those "engineers" he speaks of woud be an understatement. Speakers are very much an opinion so listen and make your own decision.

dfms23

12-11-09, 01:51 PM

Specs taken from marketing literature are to be taken with a lot of skepticism. I'd be really surprised if BIC has ever put out any audio product that is better than an Infinity product. I'd definitely stick with the Infinity. The same engineers and world-class technology that was used to put together the Primus speakers was used to create the Primus subwoofers. There's no reason to think that BIC has anything close to this level of R&D sophistication.

I have to disagree with this. From what I have read and researched you may be right when it comes to the Primus level and above but for entry level you could argue BIC is just as good and maybe even better cost+performance ratio. You just throw things like that out there all the time :eek:

Originally Posted by chrismc77
Any suggestions?

I just order a Bic F12 subwoofer that I was going to use in my bedroom with my take 5 speakers. I have an Infinity Primus set in my livingroom for my main surround system with an Infinity PS210 subwoofer.

I really don't know much about specs, but there is a difference between the Bic and the PS210. Is the Bic better? If so, should I move that into the livingroom and the PS210 to my bedroom?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

You need to take this with a grain of salt. Mark hates anything that is not Infinity. In his opinion, nothing, even speakers costing 100 times more, are as good as Infinity. To say he has major idol worship of those "engineers" he speaks of woud be an understatement. Speakers are very much an opinion so listen and make your own decision.

I agree with this completely. Mark is a COMPLETE Infinity fanboy. Not to say there may not be some kind of degree of truth to what Mark says, but just taking it with a grain of salt is a good idea. I am breaking in some entry level BIC speakers now and they sound pretty good to me, especially considering my imaging and wiring (premium cables on the way)is FAR from optimal right now. I would have went with the P362s but I was able to get more needed stuff with the BICs and I don't have the room for the P362s. If I had the room I would be running 2 P362s for front stage but I am happy with my BICs so far at the same time.

markwriter

12-11-09, 02:15 PM

I have to disagree with this. From what I have read and researched you may be right when it comes to the Primus level and above but for entry level you could argue BIC is just as good and maybe even better cost+performance ratio. You just throw things like that out there all the time :eek:

You say they offer better cost/performance. How do they do this? Anechoic chambers? Spin-o-rama? World-class preference testing? Industry-leading engineering and evaluation?

Nope. They have none of this. So how do they deliver such value?

I am breaking in some entry level BIC speakers now and they sound pretty good to me, especially considering my imaging and wiring (premium cables on the way)is FAR from optimal right now.

It's fine to take me with a grain of salt, but you apparently believe in myths such as speaker break-in and "premium cables". On the av science forum. These are the types of myths the science forum seeks to liberate people from.

amicusterrae

12-11-09, 03:02 PM

Mark is a COMPLETE Infinity fanboy.

Yes he is, and for good reason. It's not about being in love with the "Infinity" badge. At least for me, it's about exceptionally engineered speakers at bargain prices. Would I mind having something that gives me the extra 10 or whatever percent? Sure, but I can't comfortably afford what it would cost. And, I am reasonably satisfied with my Primus and Beta series speakers.

I am breaking in some entry level BIC speakers now and they sound pretty good to me, especially considering my imaging and wiring (premium cables on the way)is FAR from optimal right now.

I was going to suggest spending some time learning about room acoustics and what really matters in speaker design, but I see you're more interested in ethereal equalization.

Should you change your mind, check out RABOS, Infinity's proprietary low frequency room EQ. The PS210 is a respectable sub at street value, but I believe RABOS, which is only available on more expensive models, is worth paying for. I know very little about Audessey, so take this with a grain of salt, but you ought to determine whether your receiver provides comparable EQ. I suspect it doesn't. Anyway, if you really want to compare the BIC and the PS210, try posting in the subwoofer forum.
This article is a good starting point of sub EQ:
http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/technology/whitepapers/inf-rooms_3.pdf

markwriter

12-11-09, 03:13 PM

Yes he is, and for good reason. It's not about being in love with the "Infinity" badge. At least for me, it's about exceptionally engineered speakers at bargain prices.

Yeah, I think you and I would agree that we're both in it for the audio. If someone else out there shoots the lights out - and we have better proof than just "I heard them and I loved them" - then the Harman products go bye-bye. I could care less about a brand for a brand's sake. When you have world renowned designers like Kevin Voecks saying things like the following, you see the reason to be enthusiastic about a brand.

"It is our philosophy to spend the customer's money wisely at every price point. Our world-leading research groups provide information that helps us target what makes an audible difference, without chasing after misguided audio "fads." (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/revel-f52-c52-s30-b15a-speakers-6-2006-part-5.html) "

It's not that the Revel logo is neat. It's the value. Same thing for Infinity.

Harman spends a fortune to remove natural human bias from their subjective evaluation of their own products against the best of the best competition. If any other companies out there are doing this (Paradigm, PSB and Energy and Axiom come to mind) then I'm fans of theirs as well. It's too bad that more companies aren't more transparent about their R&D.

amicusterrae

12-12-09, 11:17 AM

I just posted a classified ad in the speakers for sale forum if anyone is looking for one of these. It's black with the silver fabric grille and is in excellent condition.

riker1384

12-12-09, 12:21 PM

charliebeagledog

12-13-09, 04:18 PM

I've wondered if markwriter is some sort of marketer for Harman. He says he's been to Harman and talked to some of the engineers. Do they usually do that? On the other hand, if he was a paid marketer you'd think he would be more subtle about it. Of course, maybe Harman knows we would think that, so maybe they tell him to be blatant so as to deflect suspicion, so clearly I cannot drink the wine in front of markwriter.

Well if Markwriter was the only person asserting the value and preformance of this line you might be onto something. But as I see it he is has done allot of homework and research and shared his findings as well as much enthusiasm and exhuberance at what he precieves as an excptional value.

It appears that a few may like to take an occasional shot at him and try and rattle him and poke at him and get a response.

But Marks not the only one "drinking the wine" here. I'm pretty new to this forum in terms of building a HTS. His information as well as others have contributed to my decision to build a HTS from the Primus line. I'm not totally hooked up so commenting on that aspect of it would be premature but I did buy these speakers without even hearing them (thats a first for me).

I am very happy with how the front three sound with music and TV and will be reporting back with more indepth analysis in a couple of weeks. My other system is an older HK6900 integrated amp with L100 t3's and L20t3's so I didnt go into this blind without any history of HK products and it was the JBL forum that I think someone suggested I check out this forum.

Now I wouldn't recomend buying speakers that you can't easily return if you don't like them regardless of what speakers they are but these really sound great and when on sale the 362's appear to be an extremely attractive value.

I appreciate the comments of all as I can learn from all perspectives but can I suggest rather than trying to take a shot at any particular author if you have a point to make about this speaker on its own or as it compares to others that may be more constructive to this dialogue and more helpful to people looking make a decision on whether or not to purchase these speakers.

GLBright

12-14-09, 08:20 PM

myh179

12-15-09, 09:56 AM

I just posted a classified ad in the speakers for sale forum if anyone is looking for one of these. It's black with the silver fabric grille and is in excellent condition.

I've been thinking of upgrading my C25 to PC350 but the silver fabric grille is the only thing that makes me think a little longer. I asked my regular dealer but he said, 'No sir! PC350 with black grille is no longer available." Pity.

calnbs

12-15-09, 10:04 AM

I've been thinking of upgrading my C25 to PC350 but the silver fabric grille is the only thing that makes me think a little longer. I asked my regular dealer but he said, 'No sir! PC350 with black grille is no longer available." Pity.

Have you checked ebay and amazon?

myh179

12-15-09, 10:11 AM

grubadub

12-15-09, 10:17 AM

Markwriter is an Infinity/Harman convert. I am an Infinity/Harman convert. He has more experience with the brand and speaks more eloquently than I. Otherwise you'd be aiming your broadsides at me. I've never heard an Infinity speaker that I didn't like. Some are better than others. Their Golden Age may have passed, but they still put out some mighty fine products with untouchable value.

ditto for me

myh179

12-15-09, 10:23 AM

myh179

12-15-09, 10:39 AM

Yes he is, and for good reason. It's not about being in love with the "Infinity" badge. At least for me, it's about exceptionally engineered speakers at bargain prices. Would I mind having something that gives me the extra 10 or whatever percent? Sure, but I can't comfortably afford what it would cost. And, I am reasonably satisfied with my Primus and Beta series speakers.

Couldn't agree more!

charliebeagledog

12-15-09, 10:40 AM

Yes, I surely did. As a matter of fact, I did come across this one seller on ebay from the U.S about a month ago but he/she can ship it only within the U.S. Also, I always buy DVDs from Amazon but then again, they will ship only DVDs to my country, not any other items. By the way, I live in Malaysia. Again, pity.

I just bought a pc350 from crutchfield.com about three weeks ago and it came with the black grill cover. So did the one advertised on frys.com ????

markwriter

12-15-09, 10:45 AM

I just bought a pc350 from crutchfield.com about three weeks ago and it came with the black grill cover. So did the one advertised on frys.com ????

Yeah, I thought the silver was being phased out.

amicusterrae

12-15-09, 11:08 AM

Yeah, I thought the silver was being phased out.

I've had my Primus speakers with the silver grilles for a few years now. I picked up a used pair of P150s locally, and they came with the old style black grilles. I called Harman and found you can order the newer style silver grilles, but it ain't cheap--$30 or so each.
Personally, I like the silver/black contrast better than all black.

myh179

12-15-09, 11:37 AM

I checked Frys, not available. Crutchfield can't ship to Malaysia. Even if both are available and ready to ship to me, according to a friend of mine, the price I may have to pay would be much higher than buying it locally. Anyway, thanks for the input. I'll figure something. I will.

woodsart

12-15-09, 12:18 PM

Well, I have to chime in here as well....concerning the primus quality and value. I am not as eloquent and knowledgeable as Mark is concerning these. Neither have I had a lot to compare with. THAT IS WHY I NEEDED YOU, MARK!!!

It has also been awhile now since I have owned and been listening to the 362s/350/162s and 152s and I have no complaints (except for the size of the 362s).

I can honestly say, Mark, that you have been right on in almost everything you have said about the infinity products primus line of speakers. They constantly surprise me. I use them more for movies, especially bluray and for the money/value, they just can't be beat for what i paid for them. Also, the listening quality for music is stunning with my ONK806/SAMMY bluray player.

I really do wish these guys would understand that you are specifically talking about the quality/value for the money. The Primus Line is and in my opinion an exceptional value for HIGH END ENTRY LEVEL speakers!!

And.....if you work for Infinity....THANK YOU for educating us and directing us....and I mean especially myself to just that....a system with EXCEPTIONAL quality for an affordable price!!!!!

Let's see Mark, you can compare with the revered REVEL, right. I think that would be a good comparison. And....you still like and admire the Primuses???

Are there any infinity badges out there...I want one!!!:D

Oh, by the way, I have never heard you say you hated any speakers that weren't Infinity...correct me if I am wrong.

All I can add, further, is thank you Mark for helping me to decide on an upscale sounding system I would have never found otherwise in my budget.

myh179

12-16-09, 06:35 AM

I wonder which one is better for 360s; toe-in or no? any thoughts?

rawj7

12-16-09, 07:22 AM

markwriter

12-16-09, 09:22 AM

I currently have Beta 50's for fronts, beta 360 center, Infinity entra towers for surounds, and Beta SW12 Sub. I never like the Sub, and the entra are just to thin sounding. I love the beta 50 and center, but they lack in the lows espcially since i took dont use the sub. I'm looking for new fronts to replace the beta 50's and plan to move the 50's to suround duty. I'm looking for great HT towers not so much music ones. Any Ideas on something better?

The beta 50's lack in low frequency response? There must be something else going on there.

grubadub

12-16-09, 10:11 AM

I currently have Beta 50's for fronts, beta 360 center, Infinity entra towers for surounds, and Beta SW12 Sub. I never like the Sub, and the entra are just to thin sounding. I love the beta 50 and center, but they lack in the lows espcially since i took dont use the sub. I'm looking for new fronts to replace the beta 50's and plan to move the 50's to suround duty. I'm looking for great HT towers not so much music ones. Any Ideas on something better?

sounds to me like you just need to get a better sub

myh179

12-16-09, 10:27 AM

...new fronts to replace the beta 50's

what do you have in mind? What amp/avr you got anyway?

markwriter

12-16-09, 10:44 AM

I wonder which one is better for 360s; toe-in or no? any thoughts?

That's room dependent. Just experiment.

amicusterrae

12-16-09, 12:38 PM

I currently have Beta 50's for fronts, beta 360 center, Infinity entra towers for surounds, and Beta SW12 Sub. I never like the Sub, and the entra are just to thin sounding. I love the beta 50 and center, but they lack in the lows espcially since i took dont use the sub. I'm looking for new fronts to replace the beta 50's and plan to move the 50's to suround duty. I'm looking for great HT towers not so much music ones. Any Ideas on something better?

Have you run RABOS on that sub? I would do that before you give up. And, if you want to sell it (and it's in black), I might be interested!
Anyway, something's not right. What is your crossover set at in the receiver? How far from the wall are those Beta 50s?

karlsaudio

12-16-09, 07:01 PM

myh179

12-16-09, 07:20 PM

That's room dependent. Just experiment.

you're right. Previously in the living room, my 360s toe-in was greater than my theater room.

amicusterrae

12-16-09, 11:02 PM

Hi guys. I just have one question. I will be getting P362s for the front. I have a AVR 1802 and listen to a lot of music. Should I get P362s for the rear or get P162s? I still don't know how critical the rears are.
Thanks

A Denon AVR 1802, 5.1, with Pro Logic II?
The surround speakers are critical for 5.1 programming. But, you listen to a lot of music. Will it be 2 channel, matrixed to 5.1, or even native 5.1 DVD-A or SACD? What I'm getting at is the surround speakers are critical period, even if only for the occassional movie. There's a reason you bought that big multichannel receiver.

With that said, the P162s are more than adequate. AFAIK, no discrete or matrixed 5.1 material is going to send frequencies to the surrounds below the frequency response of the P162s. A lot of people say 5 identical speakers is what you should aim for. But, unless you have them all in proper configuration in an awesome room, are you really missing that 4" midrange? I use a pair of P162s as rear surrounds in a 7.1 set up. They're overkill there!

Now, if you go with the P162s, you'll need stands. That can offset the cost difference to the P362s which obviously stand on their own.

karlsaudio

12-17-09, 12:27 AM

It's kind of what I figured. I don't have the ability to play SACD but, I can certainly run Matrix or 5 channel stereo. I will shoot for four P362s. Why not?
Thanks, by the way.

rawj7

12-17-09, 04:48 AM

Thanks for the help guys. I currently have a Denon 3806. I was in Korea last year on an Military assignment and when I got back one of the beta 50's speaker wires were disconected and shorted, the Wife had no Idea but after that the reciever wouldent pass HDMI and the sub wouldent work, it would power on the reciever just wouldnt drive it. But before that It seemed that it just didnt blend in. Also I'd like to reply to all on here because I dont know how to do those quote things-sorry not the best computor guy but learnin haha. to answer another response, 1. I Tried the RABOS when I first got it about three years ago and I couldnt tell that it made a difference of course I had no idea WHAT I was doing. 2. I dont know how to set the cross over I tried figureing it out but the DENON's manual might as well be writen in Chinees. 3. I currently have the beta about 6 inches from the wall. Like I said I think there Awsome but the Entra two's just never gave me that good hometheater suround sound so I thought OK I'll just get another set of towers for the front and move The beta's to the rear. I have limited money and purchase things over time and plan WAY Ahead. I did it with what I have now took me about four years to put together. My next purchase this year will be the denon 4310ci becuase I know I need to replace that first before anything else. Are the Beta suposed to have alot of LOW END? becuae honsetly since the day I got the sub I'v never really used it, probably since I dont know things like crossover and such. I just used Audesy on the Denon to set things up. 4. OH As far as selling it thanks for the offer but I paid $500 for it and it's in cherry and would like to see if it works better with the new Denon first before I think about getting rid of it thanks though. Ok to sum up, sounds like maybe instead of new fronts maybe I sould concider new surounds instead? any sugestions. Thanks all
Rob

markwriter

12-17-09, 09:23 AM

rawj7

12-18-09, 05:02 AM

Yeah, the betas should have ample low end. Sounds like you need to get more in-depth with your manual for the receiver. I have a 3806. You should google "batpig denon" because there's a guy who has a site dedicated to helping people figure out their denon equipment. He posts on this forum as well.

Your bass problems are either caused by the room or a setup glitch with your receiver. It's not a problem with any of the speakers, including the subwoofer.

I agree I'll just same my money to get a new denon 4310. I do love Infinitys, and after posting on this forum I do believe I have the right speakers allready I just need help setting it up CORRECTLY when I get a new reciever. Thanks
Rob

dragonhorse

12-19-09, 10:43 AM

Well, I would like to chime in here as well ... concerning the 362B quality and value.

I do not claim myself as an audiophile for I don't have golden ears; however, I am a 2 channel music listener in budget for a while. I got "educated" high-end audio from friends (who owned Martin Logans, B&W speakers, Audio Research for electronics ...), and from audio magazines as Stereophile. However, I don't want to spend a fortune for the hobby, so I always go with the ones that are high performance/price. As I posted here before, my 1st system : Genesis Gern II speakers(class D Stereophile 1992, $800 list price), NAD 502 (class C Stereophie 1994), and Harmon Kardon HK1400 (recommended from an audio guy from Europe that can drive 4ohm speakers, for the Gern IIs are 4 ohm).
I quit this hobby in 2000 and decided to returned back to the hobby this year.
After doing some homework I read rave reviews of Infinity Primus 360, 162 from Stereophile and 162B from Soundstage, I think the Primus line fall to my category: good performance/price. For further research, I found this forum and read what Mark's sayings about the the Primus line and a lot of people here told how to get the speakers at incredible price (sale $99/speaker at Frys). I went ahead and bought a pairs of 362Bs.
The 363B sounds OK with my HK1400 and a cheap Phillips DVD player ($50, for my NAD 502 was broken). I know I need a good source to get the real sound of the 362B.
Three weeks ago, I made an upgrade for my source, Onkyo 7555, that has rave reviews from Stereophile and TAS. Now my system gets to another level. One of my friends came over and was so surprised with the clear quality of the sound of the system. He though that I bought a new amp.
In short, I would like to
-Thank Mark and all the people here that help me to buy the Infinity Primus at the incredible price. It is one of the best performance/price. I never thought that I can get almost full-range speakers to get such quality sound for $200/pairs. Mark is right, when he says that you have to pay much much more money to get the same sound. Don't let the appearance and the price fool you. Give the speakers a listen. If not, as Mark's suggest, look at the frequency response over the listening range (from Stereophile review). The curve is pretty flat. Only well-known BUDGET high-end speaker maker like Paradigm can get the same curve for $800-$1000 ( if you have 1K to spend for the speakers, I would recommend Paradign). If you are a budget music like me, you would understand Mark's passion on such audio bargain as the Primus.
-If you want to be 2 channel music listener, please invest to your source. Without a good source, you can not have good sound.

Happy listening,

dragonhorse

Well, I have to chime in here as well....concerning the primus quality and value. I am not as eloquent and knowledgeable as Mark is concerning these. Neither have I had a lot to compare with. THAT IS WHY I NEEDED YOU, MARK!!!

It has also been awhile now since I have owned and been listening to the 362s/350/162s and 152s and I have no complaints (except for the size of the 362s).

I can honestly say, Mark, that you have been right on in almost everything you have said about the infinity products primus line of speakers. They constantly surprise me. I use them more for movies, especially bluray and for the money/value, they just can't be beat for what i paid for them. Also, the listening quality for music is stunning with my ONK806/SAMMY bluray player.

I really do wish these guys would understand that you are specifically talking about the quality/value for the money. The Primus Line is and in my opinion an exceptional value for HIGH END ENTRY LEVEL speakers!!

And.....if you work for Infinity....THANK YOU for educating us and directing us....and I mean especially myself to just that....a system with EXCEPTIONAL quality for an affordable price!!!!!

Let's see Mark, you can compare with the revered REVEL, right. I think that would be a good comparison. And....you still like and admire the Primuses???

Are there any infinity badges out there...I want one!!!:D

Oh, by the way, I have never heard you say you hated any speakers that weren't Infinity...correct me if I am wrong.

All I can add, further, is thank you Mark for helping me to decide on an upscale sounding system I would have never found otherwise in my budget.

Looneybomber

12-19-09, 12:53 PM

Primus 362's for 200/pr!? Was that a sale I missed out on I guess? For that price, it'd be worth buying them and storing them in the closet till you had a use for them.

That said, I'm meeting someone later today to pick up some Beta-50's so I really don't need any 362's.

Anyone done any A/B comparisons of similar Beta vs. Primus speakers? Ex: Beta 40 vs. 362, Beta 20 vs. 162. I'm curious how the two perform.

dragonhorse

12-19-09, 08:40 PM

I learned from people here that Frys has them on sale once in a while for $99/speaker ($218 including tax for a pair of 363B). I got a pairs of those sale this year.

Primus 362's for 200/pr!? Was that a sale I missed out on I guess? For that price, it'd be worth buying them and storing them in the closet till you had a use for them.

That said, I'm meeting someone later today to pick up some Beta-50's so I really don't need any 362's.

Anyone done any A/B comparisons of similar Beta vs. Primus speakers? Ex: Beta 40 vs. 362, Beta 20 vs. 162. I'm curious how the two perform.

riker1384

12-19-09, 08:57 PM

Regarding the Fry's sale, I learned after the fact that shipping would have been cheaper if I had made 2 separate orders of 1 speaker.

amicusterrae

12-19-09, 10:47 PM

Anyone done any A/B comparisons of similar Beta vs. Primus speakers? Ex: Beta 40 vs. 362, Beta 20 vs. 162. I'm curious how the two perform.

I prefer the Beta 20s to the P162s. Although the P162s are rated to go slightly deeper, I've found the in room bass performance of the Beta 20s more satisfying, though I imagine it's the rear port and the fact that I have mine well off the back walls. And, the tweeter is really something special. Engineering wise, I have no idea how much "better" the CMMD drivers are than the MMD drivers. I've never seen distortion ratings for each. With the Betas, you also get a better cabinet. Many people think the vinyl finish of the P162s is more attractive, though. And, you have to remember that while the Beta 20s can be had cheap now, they originally sold for a lot more than the street value of the P162s. So, I think the performance difference is actually closer than the original price gap. That's how high value the P162s are. I recall a long discussion in either this or the Beta owners forum about the undesirability of the larger drivers in the Beta 20s and the crossovers. So, if you are really interested in this, I'd search that topic.

rxtrom

12-20-09, 09:20 PM

Jmobie

12-20-09, 10:22 PM

Hey everyone. I am trying to finalize a nice home theater setup for my parents. I am about to start working next month, and I'll be out of the house possibly within the next year, maybe longer. Anyway, the speaker system is mainly of the Infinity Primus line.

Center: Primus C250 (I can't tell for sure, since there is no model name. The back just says "Extra Center Speaker." If it's not the C250, it's similar.)
Fronts: Primus P162's
Sides: Yamaha NS-A1638 towers, being replaced soon by Primus P152's
Backs: Primus P150's
Sub: Yamaha YST-SW90 (8-inch)
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V663

The issue is the room. It measures 14' wide by 18' long and the ceiling is slanted, with its lowest height at 9' and its highest height at 16'. So it's a big room, and not to mention, we are having wooden floors installed this week. We are quickly going to purchase an area rug about 8' by 11', and maybe some side acoustic panels. Feel free to comment on this if we should do other things to reduce the echo. There is also a fireplace that dominates the back wall of the room, opposite a smaller entry way, connecting the kitchen. We prefer that the TV be in the corner to the left of the fireplace, so we can see it from the kitchen. However, this creates a space issue, which is why the towers are the sides and not the fronts. I find the the P162's to maybe sound cleaner or produce a more finesse sound than the towers that used to be our fronts a while ago. (I said no to this because the right and left channels were both to the right of the TV, and both towers were ON the fireplace brick platform, 1 foot above the carpet.)

Sorry about the long post, but we decided to remove the Yamaha clunkers from the setup, because using them as sides was overkill. Would a Yamaha RX-V663, 2 P162's as the fronts, 2 P152's (just ordered today), 2 P150's, and 8-inch sub fill this room? Then again, the P150's would not be used much for 5.1 content. We usually watch our Blu-ray movies and concerts at no higher than -20 dB on the V663.

Also, if we were to keep the corner TV layout, would a more powerful sub help?

markwriter

12-20-09, 11:09 PM

Hello All:

Quick question. I currently have Primus 250s LR and matching center. Would it be worth it to upgrade to the 362s? What would be a good match for a center.

I also have been toying with the idea of the polk monitor 60 oor 70s.

Any advice would be appreciated.

I currently have a Denon AVR 788 and watch movies/TV only.

Yes, they're definitely better, definitely worth it. They are a three way with a dedicated midrange, while the P250's are a 2 1/2 way. Get the PC350 as a center or use a P152 as a center.

Something_Soft

12-21-09, 01:19 AM

How much do you guys think it would cost to get a local to fix a primus 12 amplifier.

karlsaudio

12-23-09, 02:47 AM

A Denon AVR 1802, 5.1, with Pro Logic II?
The surround speakers are critical for 5.1 programming. But, you listen to a lot of music. Will it be 2 channel, matrixed to 5.1, or even native 5.1 DVD-A or SACD? What I'm getting at is the surround speakers are critical period, even if only for the occassional movie. There's a reason you bought that big multichannel receiver.

With that said, the P162s are more than adequate. AFAIK, no discrete or matrixed 5.1 material is going to send frequencies to the surrounds below the frequency response of the P162s. A lot of people say 5 identical speakers is what you should aim for. But, unless you have them all in proper configuration in an awesome room, are you really missing that 4" midrange? I use a pair of P162s as rear surrounds in a 7.1 set up. They're overkill there!

Now, if you go with the P162s, you'll need stands. That can offset the cost difference to the P362s which obviously stand on their own.

Lets take my room size into consideration. It is a perfect rectangle of 12X18. I don't listen to anything loud. It would be rare for me to go above "-15dB" on the volume display. Would 4 P162s + a CC + a sub be more than adaquit? I was all set to go with P362s but now I am not sure.

allargon

12-23-09, 07:07 AM

Lets take my room size into consideration. It is a perfect rectangle of 12X18. I don't listen to anything loud. It would be rare for me to go above "-15dB" on the volume display. Would 4 P162s + a CC + a sub be more than adaquit? I was all set to go with P362s but now I am not sure.

-15dB should be quite painful if your setup is calibrated properly. -20dB on your volume display should yield 80dB on your ears.

seeburt

12-23-09, 12:17 PM

I just picked up a Onkyo TX SR707 and was thinking of starting with a pair of 360's for mains. I'm totally new to this, but I see a lot of talk about an AVR not having enough power to push the speaker. I'm not sure what this means or if mine pairs up with these speaker. Right now price is dictating my search rather than knowledge, so I was hoping get some input and thoughts. I'm headed off to Fry's to give them a "test drive", but I'll check back before I buy.

Thanks for your help and patience.

seeburt

markwriter

12-23-09, 12:27 PM

karlsaudio

12-24-09, 02:19 AM

-15dB should be quite painful if your setup is calibrated properly. -20dB on your volume display should yield 80dB on your ears.

It's a Denon AVR1802. With the Infinity SL20s I have now, it doesn't get scary until it reaches -12dB or so. I should get a spl meter and play arround. But, big room, small speakers. I am sure it would be different with larger speakers.

papin412

12-24-09, 10:16 AM

I just made a new thread about a center speaker option for p362 and I just realized I'll probably get more traffic here.

I just got the p362 from fry's and I'm loving it. My only problem is none of the primus center channels would fit my entertainment center. I only have 6" of clearance and I don't want to put it on the bottom shelf. Even when angled up my center speaker from htd sounds muffled. I have looked at the primus bookshelves and only the p142 would fit but the single 4" woofer concerns me on how it would sound. The primus theater packageII has a center speaker with dual 4" woofers and still fit my shelf but it seems like they are not sold separately. Can anyone recommend me something that's less than 6" in height that would timbre match the p362's? Maybe from a different infinity line or maybe even a different brand. Thanks.

myh179

12-25-09, 02:41 AM

help me out, is the cabinet of PC350 looks similar/exactly to those of the P360s'? I've seen only the images of PC350 so comparing the two is rather difficult.

blued888

12-25-09, 09:00 AM

charliebeagledog

12-30-09, 09:43 PM

hp0924

12-31-09, 02:43 PM

Steveoreno

12-31-09, 03:06 PM

WOW just finally got the system totally set up watched a couple of movies and football games but in particular with music they sound fantastic... for newyears eve were going to pop a very nice bottle of bubbly and listen and watch the blue ray version of David Gilmour of Pink Floyd live in Gdansk DVD concert Set.

its a HK av354 7.1 with 4 p362's and 2 162's and a pc350 center

I have the Elemental Designs A2-300 sub woofer and am wondering where I should set the crossovers on the 4 362's and 2 162's in the system?

I set them at 80hz for now but am looking for ideas. (do I have to set anything related to the Sub ??

Thanks

Cant help you with your sub but most people are doing this:
All speakers set to small
X-over at 80
Volume on sub around 10 o,clock. Phase at 0
Use the LFE settings in your amp to set Sub DB levels.
I am not familiar with HK or ED

Gilmour - Great choice. My favorite is "Remember that night - Live at the Royal Albert Hall" Turn it up and let those 360,s sing! I am running mine with a PIO SC-05 and they sound fantastic.

Steveoreno

12-31-09, 03:15 PM

I like my new P362's. My PC350 and 162's are arriving on Tuesday. I like not having the grills on the speaker but really hate the silver on the faceplate.

Has anyone ever painted these black and if so, can u post a pic?

Any suggestions on doing this...i.e. remove it or just mask.

Thanks.

I have cats so my grills have been off since day one. I like the look of mine. Black surrounds, silver cones.
I would remove them rather than mask. Use a paint that is safe for plastic and make sure they have no dust or skin oils on the surface. Two or more LIGHT coats will give better results than one or two heavy.

hp0924

12-31-09, 03:22 PM

I have cats so my grills have been off since day one. I like the look of mine. Black surrounds, silver cones.
I would remove them rather than mask. Use a paint that is safe for plastic and make sure they have no dust or skin oils on the surface. Two or more LIGHT coats will give better results than one or two heavy.

Did yours come black or did you paint them?

Steveoreno

12-31-09, 04:02 PM

Did yours come black or did you paint them?

Stock p360.
Silver face plate, Black foams, Silver cone.

lmacmil

12-31-09, 05:08 PM

I am considering upgrading my 10 yr old Yamaha speakers. Don't want to spend a lot and can't go with towers. Will only be doing left/center/right at this time.

The Primus 162 has gotten good reviews. The Polk monitor 30 has been replaced by the TSi100 and are in the same price range. Wonder if any Primus owners evaluated Polks before picking the Infinity and what did you like better about the Infinity. Thanks.

hp0924

12-31-09, 05:42 PM

I would remove them rather than mask.

I wish I could figure out how to remove the plate. LOL

twoshack

01-01-10, 09:04 PM

Where is the best place to pick up a set of 362s these days? Frys had them for $150/each before Christmas, but just checked today and they are back up to $299...argh! That's what I get for waiting.

Ervin

01-02-10, 03:32 AM

Crutchfield.com.

mcdev

01-03-10, 02:15 PM

I don't think so. They are about $330 at Crutchfield. Still cheaper to get them at Fry's. I was also procrastinating on getting them from Fry's and noticed the sale ended a few days ago. Hopefully they will put them on sale again soon.

QwikKotaTx

01-03-10, 08:21 PM

seeburt

01-03-10, 08:48 PM

I heard some P-362's at Frys yesterday, and to say the least I was impressed! I've got a line on a pair of used ones (2 yrs) for $199. Hopefully I'll be able to give them a test drive over the next couple of days. The room I'm planning to use them in is only 16 x 16, though one side wall (left side) is open to the kitchen and dining room, would you see any reason to go larger then the PC-250? What would be the choice surrounds (152/162) and sub?

Thanks,

seeburt

grubadub

01-03-10, 08:57 PM

I just blew my Boston PV600 sub listening to my new Primus' set up. Any recommendations on a new sub? Is the PS210 plenty for a small room setup or is it a no brainer to spend the extra $80 and get the PS212? Or should I venture to another brand for the same money? Looking to spend around $300 give or take $50.

you should check out the sub section. lots of info there. i have an epik phoenix w/ my 360's and it's phenomenal. but it's about 3 or 4 times your stated budget. i'm guessing one of the first recommends you would get would be the a2-300 by elemental designs.

allargon

01-04-10, 07:38 AM

I just blew my Boston PV600 sub listening to my new Primus' set up. Any recommendations on a new sub? Is the PS210 plenty for a small room setup or is it a no brainer to spend the extra $80 and get the PS212? Or should I venture to another brand for the same money? Looking to spend around $300 give or take $50.

For your budget, you should go the DIY route. You might be able to find a deal on E-bay or Audiogon. However, your best route is to go DIY.

markwriter

01-04-10, 12:29 PM

I just blew my Boston PV600 sub listening to my new Primus' set up. Any recommendations on a new sub? Is the PS210 plenty for a small room setup or is it a no brainer to spend the extra $80 and get the PS212? Or should I venture to another brand for the same money? Looking to spend around $300 give or take $50.

I would totally go with one of the primus subs or some other Infinity product. They did a pretty good job with the actual speakers, they're more than capable of delivering just as much value with the sub as with the P362's. Look on ebay for factory seconds from HarmanAudio.com. I've also seen Primus subs on craigslist.

QwikKotaTx

01-04-10, 01:57 PM

For your budget, you should go the DIY route. You might be able to find a deal on E-bay or Audiogon. However, your best route is to go DIY.

I may go this route as I experimented last night with the amp from the Boston (100watts) and a 12" Precision Power flat piston sub that I had in a car audio enclosure. This was a very expensive sub in it's day and it's been sitting in a closet. The setup made decent bass and rattled the room (maybe a bit too much) but I can tell it needs more power or at least cleaner power. I believe it is a 4 ohm sub which should be compatible with the amp linked below. Any reason to not experiment with mobile audio subs and home audio amplifiers? O-Audio makes a great (I think) 300 watt amp for only $150.

http://oaudio.com/300W_SUBAMP.html

Digiti

01-04-10, 03:55 PM

I just blew my Boston PV600 sub listening to my new Primus' set up. Any recommendations on a new sub? Is the PS210 plenty for a small room setup or is it a no brainer to spend the extra $80 and get the PS212? Or should I venture to another brand for the same money? Looking to spend around $300 give or take $50.

I have a HSU STF-2 sub with my Primus 162 speakers setup which is just fine for my bedroom system. My son has the Elemental Designs A2-300 in his large living room which will shake your room very well I am sure.

allargon

01-04-10, 05:17 PM

I may go this route as I experimented last night with the amp from the Boston (100watts) and a 12" Precision Power flat piston sub that I had in a car audio enclosure. This was a very expensive sub in it's day and it's been sitting in a closet. The setup made decent bass and rattled the room (maybe a bit too much) but I can tell it needs more power or at least cleaner power. I believe it is a 4 ohm sub which should be compatible with the amp linked below. Any reason to not experiment with mobile audio subs and home audio amplifiers? O-Audio makes a great (I think) 300 watt amp for only $150.

http://oaudio.com/300W_SUBAMP.html

That OAudio BASH amp is pretty good according to WMax on the Audioholics forum. Most people prefer the Behringer Europowers. However, there's nothing wrong w/ that amp.

You probably want to take this to the DIY/Subwoofer forum, as it's not really relevant to the Primus discussion.

How high are the ceilings in that 16x16 room? If your ceilings are 10ft, that's still 2560 cubic ft. you need to pressurize. Of course, you need to add the volume for the kitchen, too.

charliebeagledog

01-04-10, 11:16 PM

you should check out the sub section. lots of info there. i have an epik phoenix w/ my 360's and it's phenomenal. but it's about 3 or 4 times your stated budget. i'm guessing one of the first recommends you would get would be the a2-300 by elemental designs.

too funny!!

Someone gave me the recommendation to pair the primus with the a2-300

did some research read around almost bit on one from the speaker company but am soooo glad I waited and got the elemental designs sub. it is really a high quality compliment to the primus speakers!!

Still looking for advice on where to set my crossovers on the primus's

362's in the front and back 162's for surrounds on the side

my choices are 40hz, 60 hz 80 hz 100 hz 120 hz 150 hz 200 hz

Thanks!!

Any ideas???

markwriter

01-04-10, 11:46 PM

too funny!!

Someone gave me the recommendation to pair the primus with the a2-300

did some research read around almost bit on one from the speaker company but am soooo glad I waited and got the elemental designs sub. it is really a high quality compliment to the primus speakers!!

Still looking for advice on where to set my crossovers on the primus's

362's in the front and back 162's for surrounds on the side

my choices are 40hz, 60 hz 80 hz 100 hz 120 hz 150 hz 200 hz

Thanks!!

Any ideas???

80 is definitely the place to start.

iCeMaN57

01-05-10, 04:49 AM

allargon

01-05-10, 07:26 AM

Did you get your sub online? I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus P362's paired with an Onkyo 707 and now I'm on the hunt for a good sub. To the best of my knowledge, there really aren't any decent places to check out subs other than BB.

There aren't any Fry's near you? What about stereo shops? A lot of the online vendors (e.g., AV123) will allow you to return an item within 30 days if you pay return shipping. There are plenty of options to demo subs and speakers. However, don't be surprised if shipping runs $100, as most subs that can actually pressurize a modern great room tend to be heavy.

grubadub

01-05-10, 12:00 PM

calnbs

01-05-10, 12:10 PM

Did you get your sub online? I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus P362's paired with an Onkyo 707 and now I'm on the hunt for a good sub. To the best of my knowledge, there really aren't any decent places to check out subs other than BB.

Most people on this forum prefer Internet Direct brands such as Epik, SVS, HSU, Elemental Design subwoofer over store brands.

seeburt

01-05-10, 01:14 PM

Did you get your sub online? I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus P362's paired with an Onkyo 707 and now I'm on the hunt for a good sub. To the best of my knowledge, there really aren't any decent places to check out subs other than BB.

iCeMaN57-

What are you going to be usning for your center and rears? Of course I'm "assuming" your building a 5.1.

seeburt

iCeMaN57

01-05-10, 02:11 PM

Seeburt,
I really haven't decided yet. I just ordered the main speakers and see how much I like them. I do have a set of Infinity Overture 3's in the living room and I do love them! I'm hoping I will be happy with these as well. I'm thinking I will stay wilth infinity if all goes well. Ooops, I did get a klipsch sw-450 for $300. This is just for a bed room and that sub sounded pretty good for the money.

QwikKotaTx

01-05-10, 02:12 PM

That OAudio BASH amp is pretty good according to WMax on the Audioholics forum. Most people prefer the Behringer Europowers. However, there's nothing wrong w/ that amp.

You probably want to take this to the DIY/Subwoofer forum, as it's not really relevant to the Primus discussion.

How high are the ceilings in that 16x16 room? If your ceilings are 10ft, that's still 2560 cubic ft. you need to pressurize. Of course, you need to add the volume for the kitchen, too.

Hah, are you psychic or did I post a picture of my whole living room? The dining room is connected but TV to couch wise it's probably only 12'. I have looked through the DIY area but did not see much at all on the amplifiers for those interesting sub builds the guys there create. Am I looking in the wrong area? I will keep my eye out for an Infinity sub as the amp is half as much as a new PS-210 and comes with a 300W amp. Thanks for the help guys.

ptmurphy

01-05-10, 04:24 PM

Does anyone have any idea how much weight the PC350 can safely support? I would like to put my TV directly on top of the speaker, but not sure if it will support the weight (probably 70 pounds).

Thanks!

manstretch

01-05-10, 06:15 PM

Does anyone near Raleigh, NC know where I could demo the P362? Thanks!

HRPretzel

01-06-10, 09:47 AM

csj0952

01-06-10, 03:51 PM

chuangtzu

01-06-10, 04:58 PM

how does Infinity Overture 2 compare to Infinity Primus p362? I search the forum but could find little info about Infinity Overture 2 :confused:

markwriter

01-06-10, 06:01 PM

Tempted to get a pair of 362s and a center channel speaker from infinity. How do these compare to energy RC-30s? Has anyone heard both? Why'd you pick infinity over other vendors?

I'm going to be running a 3.0 speaker system without a subwoofer cause I'm on a 2nd floor apt setting so looking for speakers that go low. Not too concerned about bass but I'd like alittle.

Energy is definitely one of the best competitors out there to Harman. One thing that would tip the scales toward the P362's is that you're getting much more driver area for bass, and you're also getting a true three-way with a dedicated midrange. Those are some significant advantages. One other thing about Energy is that I don't know if they have as good of a blind-testing regimen as Harman does. When Harman does blind tests the speakers are moved hydraulically into the exact same location. This removes the problem of speakers sounding different because they're in a different location. This allows for much better head-to-head comparison than just setting the speakers beside each other and listening to them. This is a big advantage to quickly and easily deciding which speaker sounds better, and it makes it much easier for Harman to deliver a better speaker for less money.

The 362's are not at all bass shy.

karlsaudio

01-08-10, 01:13 AM

I didn't know where to post this but, this seemed like a good place. I have a 17 year old pair of Infinity SL20s. How did these rate back in the day? I bought them new at Best Buy. I remember that they had SL10s, 20s, and 30s. I think they also had the SM lineup as well. Cool stuff! And, does anyone know what they would compare to now days?

Thanks

stevensctt

01-09-10, 01:06 AM

Where is the best place to pick up a set of 362s these days? Frys had them for $150/each before Christmas, but just checked today and they are back up to $299...argh! That's what I get for waiting.

On sale again at Fry's for $149 each, 08 Jan. thru 14 Jan. I picked up a pair this morning in Phoenix. The P362s are exceptional speakers.

twoshack

01-09-10, 07:05 AM

Unfortunately that sale does not seem to be online, and I am in NY = no Frys

desparado3

01-10-10, 11:14 AM

I've recently just become a proud member of the Infinity Primus clan. I had been hesitating between that and the Energy RC-30 but decided to go with the Infinities when Frys had them on sale last Thanksgiving. markwriter had been talking them up to the point of almost overselling but let me tell you, it's pretty hard to argue with him once you've listened to these speakers. Man. they sound good! You really would be hard pressed to find performance for the price. I just ordered the ed a2-300 for my sub. I can't wait!

charliebeagledog

01-11-10, 07:03 PM

desparado3

01-11-10, 09:17 PM

I've been using a very underpowered 8" Athena sub and the whole system sounds good as it is so I can just imagine what the sound will be like with the 12" ed a2-300.

HRPretzel

01-13-10, 11:08 PM

Love my Infinitys

The setup: Samsung LN52A650, PS3 Slim, Denon AVR-790, Infinity P362s, Infinity PC350 and the BIC F12.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2783/img3888v.jpg

hp0924

01-15-10, 04:06 PM

Love my Infinitys

The setup: Samsung LN52A650, PS3 Slim, Denon AVR-790, Infinity P362s, Infinity PC350 and the BIC F12.

I don't. I have almost the same as you, Denon 1910, P362's PC350, P162's and BIC F12. I never had a receiver and speakers before December.

Originally, I had TST1's, center and bookshelfs from TSC but thought it wasn't crisp enough playing music. This was before my F12 arrived.

I picked up my P362's from fry's in Austin and used the TC2 center until the infinity center arrived from Crutchfield. Then I sold the TSC stuff on Craigslist.

The Infinity's particularly the center, is too bright or tinny, for me.

snyper99

01-15-10, 06:09 PM

I don't. I have almost the same as you, Denon 1910, P362's PC350, P162's and BIC F12. I never had a receiver and speakers before December.

Originally, I had TST1's, center and bookshelfs from TSC but thought it wasn't crisp enough playing music. This was before my F12 arrived.

I picked up my P362's from fry's in Austin and used the TC2 center until the infinity center arrived from Crutchfield. Then I sold the TSC stuff on Craigslist.

The Infinity's particularly the center, is too bright or tinny, for me.

To me the pc350 sounds like a speaker that was placed inside a box.I wish I had the room for a 362 as a center but unfortunately I dont.The 350 sounds decent but it is missing something.

jtd217

01-15-10, 11:32 PM

Looking at picking up a pair of 362s. Anyone seen any good deals on them? Lowest online I can find is B & H for $386 shipped. Also, recommendations on a center to pair with these?

HRPretzel

01-18-10, 09:59 AM

I don't. I have almost the same as you, Denon 1910, P362's PC350, P162's and BIC F12. I never had a receiver and speakers before December.

Originally, I had TST1's, center and bookshelfs from TSC but thought it wasn't crisp enough playing music. This was before my F12 arrived.

I picked up my P362's from fry's in Austin and used the TC2 center until the infinity center arrived from Crutchfield. Then I sold the TSC stuff on Craigslist.

The Infinity's particularly the center, is too bright or tinny, for me.

I'm also in ATX. I just replaced my JBL Voice Center with the PC350 which was a step up so I don't have any issues with the PC350. Do you plan on replacing your's with something else?

hp0924

01-18-10, 11:31 AM

I'm also in ATX. I just replaced my JBL Voice Center with the PC350 which was a step up so I don't have any issues with the PC350. Do you plan on replacing your's with something else?

Eventually. I can't afford to do anything about now. I'm actually from SA, I just made the drive to Fry's in Austin to avoid shipping cost.

afrogt

01-18-10, 12:04 PM

Looking at picking up a pair of 362s. Anyone seen any good deals on them? Lowest online I can find is B & H for $386 shipped. Also, recommendations on a center to pair with these?

Where do you live? If you have a Fry's close buy there were $149 each just last Thursday. They'll go on sale again soon there I'm sure.

twoshack

01-18-10, 04:16 PM

I've been watching prices online as well. Found them Sunday at Electronics-Expo for $127 each. Managed to get 2 of them before their price went back up to $329.

jtd217

01-18-10, 04:30 PM

Where do you live? If you have a Fry's close buy there were $149 each just last Thursday. They'll go on sale again soon there I'm sure.

Live in Champaign, IL (2 hour south of Chicago). Knew about the special last Thursday but just couldnt get up there in time. Best deal Ive found online is $169 + $86 for shipping. Should I wait or got for it?

jtd217

01-18-10, 04:30 PM

$127 each!!?? I was on that sit as well but the lowest I saw was $169. Did you have a code to lower the price? I searched for one but couldnt find it. Looked today and the price is now $329!!!

afrogt

01-18-10, 04:57 PM

Live in Champaign, IL (2 hour south of Chicago). Knew about the special last Thursday but just couldnt get up there in time. Best deal Ive found online is $169 + $86 for shipping. Should I wait or got for it?

Is that $86 shipped per speaker? I'd wait! You generally have a week to buy them when Fry's puts it on sale. Last time it was in the 8 page Friday ad and the sale ended the following Thursday.

Unless you're in a rush I'd wait.

jtd217

01-18-10, 05:05 PM

$86 total (2 speakers shipped). I'd like to wait but how long, who knows?! Im building a home theater system from scratch and everything has been ordered except for these speakers.

bubbaclubba77

01-18-10, 06:25 PM

I have been enjoying my Primus setup for quite a while now and I think I'm ready to make the jump to 7.1. Does anyone know anywhere to get the p142's for a decent price? I've looked around on the Harman Audio ebay site and the web but I can't seem to find anything but new prices which are about $80 a speaker. I've found them on ebay for about $140 a pair, but I'm always a fan of saving money. Any ideas would be welcome. :)

afrogt

01-18-10, 07:00 PM

$86 total (2 speakers shipped). I'd like to wait but how long, who knows?! Im building a home theater system from scratch and everything has been ordered except for these speakers.

Do you have any speakers yet for instance center and surrounds? Or are you starting your system with the Primus 362?

If you have nothing yet you may want to look at other brands if you're in a rush.

twoshack

01-18-10, 07:01 PM

$127 each!!?? I was on that sit as well but the lowest I saw was $169. Did you have a code to lower the price? I searched for one but couldnt find it. Looked today and the price is now $329!!!

I did have a 5% off code from retailmenot, but the price was $127.

Saturday night it was showing $127 on the site, but $169 when I went to checkout. On Sunday morning I made it all the way through the checkout @ $127. I've been wondering if it was an error, but I received a receipt for payment from them today. Now I am just crossing my fingers until I get confirmation of shipment.

jtd217

01-18-10, 07:09 PM

Do you have any speakers yet for instance center and surrounds? Or are you starting your system with the Primus 362?

If you have nothing yet you may want to look at other brands if you're in a rush.

Already have the C350 and P162s en route...

jtd217

01-18-10, 07:10 PM

THat's a great deal! Ive been glued to electronics expo all weekend and didnt see the $127 price. I saw them for $169 and also had the 5% off coupon which for 2 speakers brough the total down $17. If I would've seen $127 Id have jumped on it! The $99 for shipping sucks though

jehanzeb

01-19-10, 11:24 PM

Looneybomber

01-19-10, 11:35 PM

Anyone try Sand or Lead Shot inside the base of the Primus P362 ?

There is a distinct 'resonance' around 60hz on my P362's and I want to at least dampen this out.

Anyone try bracing or adding any other material to the inside of the cabinet of the P362's ?

Markwriter ? :)
Could this be room/placement related? How far out from the wall are your speakers?

allargon

01-20-10, 11:14 AM

Anyone try Sand or Lead Shot inside the base of the Primus P362 ?

There is a distinct 'resonance' around 60hz on my P362's and I want to at least dampen this out.

Anyone try bracing or adding any other material to the inside of the cabinet of the P362's ?

Markwriter ? :)

#1, I take it you don't have a subwoofer.

#2, You might need to do some "surgery" on your P362's and cut-off the magnetic shielding.

jehanzeb

01-21-10, 12:43 PM

Could this be room/placement related? How far out from the wall are your speakers?

Yes, it could be room related also. About a foot from the wall. The tile floor does not help I am sure.

jehanzeb

01-21-10, 12:48 PM

#1, I take it you don't have a subwoofer.
I do. But for 2 channel listening I turn it off and set speakers to Full Range instead of the 60HZ cut-off for 5 channel listening.

#2, You might need to do some "surgery" on your P362's and cut-off the magnetic shielding.

Hmm, interesting. How do you do that ?

I ended up stuffing some home insulation fibreglass in the bottom of the cabinet and a little bit behind the mid-range drivers.

A simple knock on the cabinet test sounded less hollow than the other two 362's I have.

Looneybomber

01-21-10, 01:47 PM

jehanzeb

01-21-10, 02:42 PM

If you really do have a 60hz resonance with your cabinet, poly fill won't fix it. That would require bracing.

Bracing sounds great but I don't trust myself to do something that actually requires skill :)

What is an alternative to bracing?

It is important to note that Polyfill (or any stuffing) placed between the path of the woofer drivers and the port reduces the effect of the port, meaning it will actually hurt your low bass.

Makes sense. Which is why I placed the Fibreglass stuffing away from the driver and the bass port, and only filling the bottom and edges of the cabinet.

Are there any dimensions in your room with a length of 9.5'?
Yes, room is 32 feet long, 14 feet wide and 9 feet high.

Or, click this site, put in your room dimensions and it'll tell you about possible room modes.
http://www.marktaw.com/recording/Acoustics/RoomModeStandingWaveCalcu.html

Wow! Thanks for the link! Now I am even more confused:D

More importantly, why? How would cutting the magnetic shielding cup help with a 60hz resonance?

Agreed. allargon ?

snyper99

01-21-10, 06:57 PM

Anyone try Sand or Lead Shot inside the base of the Primus P362 ?

There is a distinct 'resonance' around 60hz on my P362's and I want to at least dampen this out.

Anyone try bracing or adding any other material to the inside of the cabinet of the P362's ?

Markwriter ? :)

a few pages back there was a post about opening up the speakers and altering something but i didnt look into it so i cant tell you exactly what they did.

jehanzeb

01-22-10, 02:13 AM

a few pages back there was a post about opening up the speakers.........

Eureka!!

Thanks, snyper99!!

It seems like someone *did* see very similar issues with the P362 and did some modifications to correct them.

Posting the link to that:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=633980&postcount=8

And the text too (if the link does not work):

"The bigger the cabinets, the more effect these mods have... (so the Primus 250/253 and 360/362 REALLY benefit): You remove the factory stuffing. It's heat glued to the sides and bottom. It's a thin poly blanket; absolutely worthless. It does NOTHING in the majority of bandwidth the midbass drivers operate within. Use Owens Corning 703 or 705. Or use 6# or 8# mineral wool board. Use 2" on the sides of cabinet. Use 2" on back, and 4" direcly behind the drivers. Use 6" on the bottom. Place a thin cloth or thin carpet foam over the dampening to prevent fibers from coming loose and coming out the port or entering the driver vent holes. You can cut the dampening to fit tightly inside and not really need to use any glue. But I still recommend using some construction adhesive to secure the top and side pieces. IF you want to do a little more, before you install the new dampening, apply 3-4 layers of Peel N' Seal (available at most Lowes stores), which is similar to Dynamat, but much cheaper. It is best to warm the adhesive side of the Peel N' Seal that attaches to the MDF for the best initial bond. Use a heat gun, or even a hair dryer, if that's all that is available.

Also place about 2-3" of the good dampening in the rear of the mid-range cup. Place the stock acoustic dampening back in the mid-range cup, also.

The dampening will both tighten up and produce more clarity in the mid-range, mid-bass and remove a lot of that bass hump.

The stock crossover is sufficient. You should add a good quality DSP EQ/crossover to get much more control of your sound/tone. The Behringer DCX2496 is my standard recommendation.

Also, be sure the tweeter is at ear height, or angled up to meet the ears by tilting the cabinet back a bit.

-Chris"

snyper99

01-22-10, 07:31 PM

Eureka!!

Thanks, snyper99!!

It seems like someone *did* see very similar issues with the P362 and did some modifications to correct them.

Posting the link to that:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=633980&postcount=8

And the text too (if the link does not work):

"The bigger the cabinets, the more effect these mods have... (so the Primus 250/253 and 360/362 REALLY benefit): You remove the factory stuffing. It's heat glued to the sides and bottom. It's a thin poly blanket; absolutely worthless. It does NOTHING in the majority of bandwidth the midbass drivers operate within. Use Owens Corning 703 or 705. Or use 6# or 8# mineral wool board. Use 2" on the sides of cabinet. Use 2" on back, and 4" direcly behind the drivers. Use 6" on the bottom. Place a thin cloth or thin carpet foam over the dampening to prevent fibers from coming loose and coming out the port or entering the driver vent holes. You can cut the dampening to fit tightly inside and not really need to use any glue. But I still recommend using some construction adhesive to secure the top and side pieces. IF you want to do a little more, before you install the new dampening, apply 3-4 layers of Peel N' Seal (available at most Lowes stores), which is similar to Dynamat, but much cheaper. It is best to warm the adhesive side of the Peel N' Seal that attaches to the MDF for the best initial bond. Use a heat gun, or even a hair dryer, if that's all that is available.

Also place about 2-3" of the good dampening in the rear of the mid-range cup. Place the stock acoustic dampening back in the mid-range cup, also.

The dampening will both tighten up and produce more clarity in the mid-range, mid-bass and remove a lot of that bass hump.

The stock crossover is sufficient. You should add a good quality DSP EQ/crossover to get much more control of your sound/tone. The Behringer DCX2496 is my standard recommendation.

Also, be sure the tweeter is at ear height, or angled up to meet the ears by tilting the cabinet back a bit.

-Chris"

let us know how it turns out if you decide to do this.

jehanzeb

01-26-10, 12:22 PM

let us know how it turns out if you decide to do this.

It took me a bit to call around locally but I finally found a place that sells Owens Corning equivalent 703 and 705 Fibreglass Insulation as well as Mineral Wool.

Service Partners Supply, LLC
1290 E. Elm Street, Suite A
Ontario, CA 91761
Toll Free: 800-221-3359
Phone: 909-947-0319

They have locations in other states also:

http://www.service-partners.com/locations/loc_by_state.asp

amicusterrae

01-26-10, 01:52 PM

If you really do have a 60hz resonance with your cabinet, poly fill won't fix it. That would require bracing. Polyfill, or other energy absorbing materials will only help attenuate upper frequencies inside the cabinet and mimic the effects of having more internal volume, which helps improve output at the tuning point.

It is important to note that Polyfill (or any stuffing) placed between the path of the woofer drivers and the port reduces the effect of the port, meaning it will actually hurt your low bass. There have been a few tests on subwoofers over at the DIY subforum that prove this. So keep those ports clear of obstruction.

Are there any dimensions in your room with a length of 9.5'?
Or, click this site, put in your room dimensions and it'll tell you about possible room modes.
http://www.marktaw.com/recording/Acoustics/RoomModeStandingWaveCalcu.html

Just caught up on this discussion. It piqued my interest because I was recently showing a friend how the RABOS system worked for my Infinity sub. I found the response graphs before EQ. I had forgotten how bad of a bass hump I had from the room. RABOS smoothed it out beautifully. I know this is the Primus thread, but I'll try and scan the graphs and post them. I don't remember exactly where the hump was, but on certain material (for example, Ice Cube, It was a Good Day), the bass rattled pictures on the wall, things on bookshelves, etc. I had turned the sub level up to hear the frequencies on either side of the hump, but that exacerbated the problem. With the EQ, problem solved.
This 60Hz resonance has got to be a room problem. I'm really curious about what happens when the 362s are modded.

charliebeagledog

01-26-10, 04:00 PM

$86 total (2 speakers shipped). I'd like to wait but how long, who knows?! Im building a home theater system from scratch and everything has been ordered except for these speakers.

If ordering from Fry's remember to order in quantities of one. Their shipping calculator is based on weight and its cheaper for you to order two speakers separately than two on the same order.

When I ordered them I called to ask them if something was wrong with their shipping calculator and they instructed me to do this as a workaround. Goofy but it cut the shipping costs by 1/2 on the 4 362's I was ordering.

CruisinG35

02-05-10, 03:47 AM

Love my Infinitys

The setup: Samsung LN52A650, PS3 Slim, Denon AVR-790, Infinity P362s, Infinity PC350 and the BIC F12.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2783/img3888v.jpg

Nice setup, thanks for sharing the pic. I have the samsung 52a750 with 4 p362's and a denon 2808ci. I haven't ordered a center yet so it's nice to see one next to a tv the same size as mine. I didn't realize the pc350 was that big.

I'm still researching subwoofers. I'm a bit new to this and get headaches reading these forums lol. Like right now I have about 12 tabs open just from this website. Most of the time I look like this: :confused:

longball07

02-05-10, 10:32 AM

Amazon has the PC350 on sale right now for 198 w/ free shipping. Lowest price I have seen on the 350 in a long time. Just an FYI

Tonmeister2008

02-08-10, 12:33 AM

Matt34

02-09-10, 07:31 PM

I just posted some listening test data and acoustical measurements for the Primus 362 that Primus owners may be interested in here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18091690#post18091690):

I really did like my old pair of 362 and I know this sounds.....petty but I wish they came in other finishes with something other than the grey front baffle. Like I said they sound great, I just wish the looks matched the sound.;)

I know it can be done at that price point to, look at Polk's lower model lines offering the Cherry finishes.

stevensctt

02-10-10, 08:11 PM

Absolutely no affiliation with the seller but saw this good deal on eBay for those in SoCal:

http://cgi.ebay.com/INFINITY-PRIMUS-SPEAKERS-6-PIECE-SET-FLAWLESS_W0QQitemZ250578121496QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers_Su bwoofers?hash=item3a579eb318

bigdee3

02-12-10, 04:35 AM

My setup...

http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz177/bigdee3/03.jpg

frankwza

02-14-10, 03:08 AM

[QUOTE=bigdee3;18120667]My setup...

what kind of tv stand is that? make/model?
can you send me a link?

Costanza

02-14-10, 05:12 PM

Are there any differences between the 250's and p252's aside from cosmetics?

bigdee3

02-15-10, 03:52 AM

what kind of tv stand is that? make/model?
can you send me a link?It's a Whalen 3 in-1 TV Console, model # BBXLS52VS.

Norske

02-17-10, 12:17 AM

aboroth00

02-17-10, 02:57 AM

If memory serves correct, the RS5s are the ones with the emit tweeter and polydome. If so i don't believe the PC350 will be the right choice. The tweeter just isn't as airy as the RS5s are. I would recommend the corresponding center or even the Infinity Kappa Video which will be more in line with the timbre of your speaker.

ccaliban

02-17-10, 03:49 AM

I tried a PC250 with some RS4.5s and it did not go well at all. Compared to the laid back delicacy of the EMITS, the 250 was forward, even shrill. I still have the 250 in another system paired with P362s & P162s, and it is fine in that system, it does not call attention to itself there, but it did not blend with 4.5s very well.

I don't know what to recommend as my center and surrounds are all home built MTMs with all Vifa drivers. Not a seamless blend, but much better than the PC250.

I am not criticizing the PC250, it is clean, it is musical, it produces very intelligible dialogue, but it has a VERY different sonic signature than the preHarman EMIT equipped Infinities.

allargon

02-17-10, 10:46 AM

amicusterrae

02-17-10, 11:58 AM

I am considering getting a PC350. My current setup consists of Infinity RS-5 towers (circa 2000, bought right out of high school and still sound great) and an Entra Center (sounds terrible now, very muddy & muffled, but bought a year later). They are powered by a Denon AVR 890. Do you all think that the PC350 will be a good step up? Would it go ok with the RS-5s? Thanks in advance for any input or suggestions.

I think you're talking about the more recent RS-5 iteration--not with the EMIT tweeter (http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/speaker-face-off-i-battle-of-the-budget-towers). If so, then I don't think you need to worry so much about what you pick. AFAIK, nothing Infinity or JBL makes or has recently made uses the same drivers. Since Floyd Toole came in, Infinity's been using the CMMD variants. These materials have less disortion, so you won't get a seamless front soundstage.

Best guess on a match for the RS-5s, is a used Infinity CC-3, which I believe went with the step up Overture line. They're out there on Ebay now and then. They can't be worth much now.

Otherwise, I wouldn't invest too much money in a new center unless you're certain you won't be replacing the Infinity towers in the foreseeable future. Better to pick out new Left, Center, and Right, at the same time.

The PC350 is a great center. I used it for several years before finding a Beta C360 to better match my B20 fronts. If you are interested in ultimately replacing the towers with Primus line speakers, great, go for it. Otherwise, no need to agonize.

GLBright

02-17-10, 09:08 PM

I think you're talking about the more recent RS-5 iteration--not with the EMIT tweeter (http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/speaker-face-off-i-battle-of-the-budget-towers). If so, then I don't think you need to worry so much about what you pick.
Best guess on a match for the RS-5s, is a used Infinity CC-3, which I believe went with the step up Overture line. They're out there on Ebay now and then. They can't be worth much now.

I agree that the CC-3 is the best match. It uses polypropylene drivers similar to those used in the RS-5. I have one that I used with my Overture 3s. The drivers aren't identical, just similar. The CC-3 has some adjustment knobs on the back to better dial them in with other speakers. PM me if you're interested in an aquisition.

Norske

02-17-10, 10:22 PM

thank you all for the suggestions and input. Those are the responses I was looking for. The entra center is terrible and I am getting to the point where I don't want to use it. Maybe I should save some cash and purchase L, C & R speakers at the same time as mentioned. Thanks again....

aboroth00

02-18-10, 06:18 PM

Also, I would also try and look for the Prelude PCC. It has clearly better dialog clarity than the CC3 as I have compared both. They use very similar if not the same tweeters. I'm currently using my PCC as a center and I have tried it with the 2000.6 as fronts before hooking them up as surrounds which is basically a RS-5 with great results.

natas777

02-20-10, 12:11 AM

Hey guys,

I am looking for grill replacements for one of my Primus 250's, anyone have recommendations on where to get this?

Also I am now using these for a home theater so I am looking for a good match for center speakers. Can anyone recommend a center to go with my Primus 250's?

A L Wong

02-23-10, 01:11 AM

For timbre and tonal matching, I guess you have to go with either the C250 or the C350 from Infinity Primus series
http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=PC250BK&cat=CCS&ser=PRI&Language=ENG&Region=USA&Country=US
http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=PC350BK&cat=CCS&ser=PRI&Language=ENG&Region=USA&Country=US

calnbs

02-28-10, 11:55 AM

For those looking for Primus, B&M Frys is having a sale again. Check your local store if it is.

ccaliban

02-28-10, 12:51 PM

. . ."Can anyone recommend a center to go with my Primus 250's?"

I have had both the C250 and the C350, and if you can swing it, the C350 is definitely an upgrade.

I'd try the Harmanaudio site on ebay, sometimes but not always the lowest price, and their service is excellent.

infinity2134

03-05-10, 02:08 AM

how much are they on sale for at Fry's?

calnbs

03-05-10, 09:55 AM

how much are they on sale for at Fry's?

I believe it was half off per speaker. Might be too late now, Frys ads ends on Thursdays and starts new on Fridays.

afrogt

03-05-10, 12:14 PM

Fry's sale is over now but was $149 each for the P362.

amicusterrae

03-05-10, 12:39 PM

I am looking for grill replacements for one of my Primus 250's, anyone have recommendations on where to get this?

You can get them from Harman direct. You can email, but I've had better luck over the phone (516-682-6438). Listen for the parts prompt. It'll be at least $30 (that's about what I was quoted for a P150 grille).

rclifton

03-05-10, 11:54 PM

snyper99

03-06-10, 12:11 AM

calnbs

03-06-10, 12:10 PM

I picked up the last 2 P362's during this last sale at my local Fry's. They replaced a pair of Klipsch RF-25's.

I ordered the PC350 off of Amazon and set it up this morning when it arrived. All I can say is WOW! I love the sound and thankfully so does my wife (she hated the Klipsch!).

I can not wait to add some surrounds and to upgrade my aging KSW-10 sub. Anyone have some suggestions for matching surrounds?

P.S. Anyone else think the PC350 is freaking HUGE?! :eek:

Actually, out of my 3 HT systems, my PC350 is the smallest. You haven't seen huge until you see the AV123 Xvoce. It's about the size of a small floorstanding speaker (35" length, 9" high, and 16" depth)....NOW THATS HUGE!!!!!

As for the Infinity Primus....its quite a bargain if you can buy it on sale....I do wish they had better looking cabinet.

jingai

03-07-10, 09:43 AM

I just bought a pair of second-hand Primus 360s. They were in great condition, and I talked the guy down to $200, which seemed like a really great price.

I listened to them in his home before buying and they sounded fine, but when I hooked them up at home, the tweeters are not outputting any sound at all. The only thing I can think of is some weird issue with my amp (Denon AVR-2801) or that he had his amp set to 5ch stereo so I was hearing the HF information from his center channel (he didn't have surround channels hooked up). Either that or I just don't know what country music is supposed to sound like (what he played).

I've tried:

* Moving the speakers to the Speaker B terminals.
* Checked the tweeter connections.
* Checked the polarity of the terminal connections.
* Tested another speaker using the same wires.

The amp has no sound processing stuff turned on and the tone control is completely bypassed when in Direct mode. All channel levels are set to 0dB at the moment and speakers are set to "small."

So.. how best to diagnose whether the problem is the tweeter or the crossover? If the crossover is fine and the tweeter is faulty, the driver will still get voltage applied to it, yes?

The only problem is.. I checked Infinity's parts site and they say those tweeters have "been discontinued and no substitute is available." So the tweets from the P362 won't work...?

TIA for any help,
Jonathan

jingai

03-07-10, 12:21 PM

I plugged in the tweeter from my PC350 center and it works fine, so indeed he had blown the tweeters. My first thought is.. should I be concerned about damage to the mid-range now? Or the crossover? It sounded pretty good with the replacement tweet, but I had it hanging out of the box (the plastic surround wouldn't fit in) and only had one speaker connected, so it's hard to tell for sure. All drivers were working, but I don't know if they can be "partially damaged." The surrounds are intact and everything.

My next question is: is there any reason the P362 tweets won't work in here? Will they match, etc? Infinity says there is "no substitute available" for the P360 tweeter and it's been discontinued. On paper though, they seem like they're the same tweeter.

And last, does anyone know if the 362 grille covers will fit on the 360? I don't care for the look of the 360 cover, but I have to keep the grilles on because we have a 2 yr old that thinks poking at the dust caps is fun..

-Jonathan