Can anyone recommend a slim, inexpensive (around $50) surround stand for the 150s? The stands I've seen cost as much or more than the speakers.
I use these for 150s. They come with 3 different types of top plates, use the biggest top plate, which I think is 5.5" x 5.5",
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002481EQ/ref=pd_luc_mri/102-4301315-2820135?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

I just ordered a pair of 150's based mostly on this site's recommendation.. I eventually plan on rounding it out to a 5.1 system, but I am on a serious budget and that's all I could afford for now.

I am looking for a cheap way to mount these speakers... Omnimounts are within my price range, but since no one's mentioned them should I assume they won't work for these speakers? I am new to the home theater world and don't know much of anything about it at all.

Does anyone have any alternate recommendations, or should I just go for a pair of stands?

I just ordered a pair of 150's based mostly on this site's recommendation.. I eventually plan on rounding it out to a 5.1 system, but I am on a serious budget and that's all I could afford for now.

I am looking for a cheap way to mount these speakers... Omnimounts are within my price range, but since no one's mentioned them should I assume they won't work for these speakers? I am new to the home theater world and don't know much of anything about it at all.

Does anyone have any alternate recommendations, or should I just go for a pair of stands?
Cheapest way to wall mount 150s is by using 2 screws (owner's manual will have details). Primus 150s have keyhole slots at the back, so you will be able to wall mount it using those. Here is what owner's manual says:

The Primus 140 and Primus 150 are designed to mount directly to a
wall. Each satellite speaker has two keyholes on the back. Each speaker
will require (2) 1-1/2," #10 wood screws fastened to a wall stud. If a
wall stud is unavailable, install an anchor appropriate for a 1-1/2,"#10
screw.

NOTE: The customer is responsible for the correct selection and use of
mounting hardware (available through hardware stores) that will ensure
the proper and safe wall-mounting of the speakers.

I saw that, but the only place I have to mount them is pretty high on the wall and I was hoping to find a way to angle them down.

I am enjoying my 360s ordered from crutchfield. Great service. The box looked like it had been dropped from an airplane but the speakers were in perfect shape.

Right now I am using an Onkyo TX-SR504 receiver with the hope I can upgrade in a few months. Also need to buy surrounds but for now the 360s are more than enough.

I also have the TX-SR504 + Primus 360 combo and it's great. I won't be upgrading from that receiver for a while, though.

I use these for 150s. They come with 3 different types of top plates, use the biggest top plate, which I think is 5.5" x 5.5",
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002481EQ/ref=pd_luc_mri/102-4301315-2820135?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
Thanks. I had looked at those before reading your message, but I wasn't sure if they could handle the weight of the 150. It says they handle up to 10 lbs and I think the 150 is around 13 lbs.

I am enjoying my 360s ordered from crutchfield. Great service. The box looked like it had been dropped from an airplane but the speakers were in perfect shape.


:D

I hear ya. The 360s I ordered from Crutchfield came in some pretty sad looking boxes. I was worried damage had been done to the speakers but they were fine.

Thanks. I had looked at those before reading your message, but I wasn't sure if they could handle the weight of the 150. It says they handle up to 10 lbs and I think the 150 is around 13 lbs.
I have been using these for 150s for some time now. No issues so far.

I am the proud owner of Primus 7.0. 2x360, 4x150, and a c25. Actually 2 of those 150s are 152s—gotten at the 150 discount price. I ordered from HPdirectav.com but they didn’t have 2 in stock. A week goes buy and I call to find out what happened and am told the bad news. The rep makes a few offers so I say I’ll call back later. I order 2 150s from Crutchfield and b4 the end of the day Crutchfield ships. I call the HPdirect back to cancel and they have 152s now in stock and offer to send me them since I waited so long for the same price. I resist a bit because I’ve already gone over budget and digging into the money for the TV. Then it hits me what he’s said so I take them.

Looks like my 27” 10 y/o Sharp Television is going to hang in there for a bit longer.

BTW the 152s are much better looking as they have silver/grey grills. Still have to get a sub and the way it looks the bic-h100 looks like the one for me as my 100w Yamaha sub just ain’t doing the Primus any justice at all.

Just in time for the Super bowl!

--Mike

Sweet! Very similar to my 2 360's, 4 160's and a C25.

Unfortunately my C25 arrived damaged, and I was supposed to get a new one. UPS guy hasn't been by to pick it up, though.

BTW the 152s are much better looking as they have silver/grey grills.
Do they sound any different than 150s? or they are exactly the same sound quality wise.

Do they sound any different than 150s? or they are exactly the same sound quality wise.


They look like the exact same speaker. I haven't set them up yet because I'm going to put them in the front just to hear what they sound like on their own. I'll get to that this afternoon.

Couldn't wait...they sound from these is awesome. I used stereo with and without a sub. Even with my el-cheapo sub it was great. w/o the sub it was still really good with the Bass turned up. I could have bought 6 150s and a quality sub instead if the 360s...not that i'm complaining it's just that i'm really impressed with these book shelves.

They sound exactly the same to me. I don't have an a/b so I couldn't test in real time. I've learned something in all of this. Acoustic music sounds so much better that electronic music with quality components. With my other set it just sounded different. I played J. jacksons "Rhythm Nation" and felt wanting. The I played Lennons "Remember" from Starbucks and was blown away. I guess the mix counts also but the difference in sound between the 2 CDs is socking.

The entire face of the 152 is grey lacquer and is the same color of the upper portion of the 150 face. The rubber(?) around the 152 woofer is grey instead of black making the driver look darker but I don't think it is.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would spend $800 on 7 speakers. At most I was lookin at 600 or 700 for 7.1 and that was stretching my imagination.

800 is money well spent.
Gotta get to work!

--Mike

I don't want to start any wars, I just want to make an informed decision. What started out as a simple task of upgrading my Onkyo HT speaker system has turned into a seemingly never ending search. I live in a small town in Indiana so listening to different speakers takes a nice drive. We do have a Frys in Indy that helped a lot. I found Polk R30's for cheap ($49 each) and was about to buy them at Frys when the salesman let me listen to the Monitor 50 and there was a big difference in sound. So I am leaning towards the Monitor 50 and someone at the Polk thread suggested I look at the Primus 360 because they are on sale at Crutchfield and would also be an improvement on the R30's. After reading the thread here, I see that you guys really enjoy these speakers. Since I can't actually hear these, I am depending on you guys to give an honest opinion since the 360 and Monitor 50 are the same price right now. Of course I would match the center and surrounds with the same line, whichever I decide on.

1. Quality comparison between Primus 360/250 and the Monitor 50 from someone who has heard both.

2. Difference between 360 and 250. That side of my basement is 27 x 13, but my viewing are would only be about 14 x 13.

3. I have and old Sony STR DE 685 5 x 100W (I realize this rating is probably overrated). Will this be sufficient for either choice. I would rather spend the money on the BIC sub ~$250 that people in this forum talk about.

4. To make my decision even more difficult, someone mentioned Athena F2.2 in the same price range. I have done little research on this one. That's my next journey.

Sorry for being so long winded. I never thought it would be this difficult. When I bought my Onkyo's 5 years ago, they were the highest rated htib so there was not much thought into the purchase. This forum is great for learning about a lot of things I can't afford (or wife won't let me have). Thanks in advance for your help.

I don't want to start any wars, I just want to make an informed decision. What started out as a simple task of upgrading my Onkyo HT speaker system has turned into a seemingly never ending search. I live in a small town in Indiana so listening to different speakers takes a nice drive. We do have a Frys in Indy that helped a lot. I found Polk R30's for cheap ($49 each) and was about to buy them at Frys when the salesman let me listen to the Monitor 50 and there was a big difference in sound. So I am leaning towards the Monitor 50 and someone at the Polk thread suggested I look at the Primus 360 because they are on sale at Crutchfield and would also be an improvement on the R30's. After reading the thread here, I see that you guys really enjoy these speakers. Since I can't actually hear these, I am depending on you guys to give an honest opinion since the 360 and Monitor 50 are the same price right now. Of course I would match the center and surrounds with the same line, whichever I decide on.

1. Quality comparison between Primus 360/250 and the Monitor 50 from someone who has heard both.

2. Difference between 360 and 250. That side of my basement is 27 x 13, but my viewing are would only be about 14 x 13.

3. I have and old Sony STR DE 685 5 x 100W (I realize this rating is probably overrated). Will this be sufficient for either choice. I would rather spend the money on the BIC sub ~$250 that people in this forum talk about.

4. To make my decision even more difficult, someone mentioned Athena F2.2 in the same price range. I have done little research on this one. That's my next journey.

Sorry for being so long winded. I never thought it would be this difficult. When I bought my Onkyo's 5 years ago, they were the highest rated htib so there was not much thought into the purchase. This forum is great for learning about a lot of things I can't afford (or wife won't let me have). Thanks in advance for your help.
1. I would go with Primus 360 (when choice is between 360 and Polk Monitor 50). Don't get me wrong, Polks have some very good speakers in their lineup, but I didn't like Monitor 50s when I heard them briefly (does not mean that they are bad, just my preference). Also from the specs, Polk Monitor weighs about 26 lbs compared to Primus 360 at 48.5 lbs, this is an indication of better cabinet material and will have less issues with resonance etc.

2. I would again go for 360 (when choice is between 250s and 360s), because of lower bass extension and (to my ears) better mid-range. I have 360s in a room of approx 23' x 12 and they are able to fill the room without any problem.

3. Your receiver will be another reason to either pick Primus 360s or Athena AS-F2.2, as both these speakers are rated 93 dB and are more efficient speakers than Polk Monitor 50s (89 dB). They will play louder than Monitor 50s at the same power level.

4. I have not heard Athena AS-F2.2, but they also get quite good opinions/review around here.

BTW, here is a review of Primus 360 in Stereophile
http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/605infinity/index.html

Hope this helps and good luck to you in your speaker search.

Thank you, axs. This forum has been a great tool in helping me make a decision. With Crutchfield's reputation for customer service and the current sale, I think I will be ordering the 360's, the 150's for surrounds and the C25 center channel. How does Infinity's subs compare to the Bic Acoustech or entry level HSU? I am 90% sure that I will order the Primus nest week after conferring with the boss and maybe I can get a package deal if the subs are comparable. Thank you very much for the link, it was very informative. Thanks again.

Tony, I was in the same situation you are in now. I decided to go with the Primus 360s and have no regrets at all. Love these speakers. I also ordered the C25. At this time the only thing I will add is a sub. I am also thinking about the BIC Subs.

Thank you, axs. This forum has been a great tool in helping me make a decision. With Crutchfield's reputation for customer service and the current sale, I think I will be ordering the 360's, the 150's for surrounds and the C25 center channel. How does Infinity's subs compare to the Bic Acoustech or entry level HSU? I am 90% sure that I will order the Primus nest week after conferring with the boss and maybe I can get a package deal if the subs are comparable. Thank you very much for the link, it was very informative. Thanks again.
Hsu subs have a very good reputation and if your budget permits, take a look at them. Hsu VTF-2 MK3 will be good for a room of your size
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html

I bought Infinity PS12 sub for one of my setup, when I got a good deal on it (about $255 shipped). It works quite well for me. New PS212 subs have more powerful amps (400w) than PS12 (300w), so those are another option. However, at the current prices, I would perhaps go for either Hsu or SVS subs.

For $220-230 price range, I think BIC H-100s are best choice.

The Primus 150s are my first component bookshelves...before this I was using PC multimedia speakers (my last was Boston Acoustics BA7800). I've been using the Primus for over a year now, and they sound amazing for the price ($95 for a pair)...and this is without a sub. But now, after this much time without a good foundation for the bottom frequencies, I'm gonna add a subwoofer to my 2.0 setup. I've read in the past that this will put less stress on the Primus drivers and make them sing even better. I'll be getting a Rocket X-Sub to compliment my 150s. CAN'T WAIT! :D

But I'm preparing for an upgrade to the Rocket X-LS in the future...it should be worth it.

Hello again! Haven't posted in a while, some reason the forum hasen't been notifying me of new posts....

After some break in time the new speakers sound better than ever. To everyone thinking about these speakers I definatly recommend the 360/362 as the mains... Honestly the footprint isn't that much bigger than the 150's on a stand... a matter of a few inches. They sound incredible. One thing I can't figure out with my reciver is when I play a cd in my DVD player (optical connection), there is nothing sent to the sub.... It's not that much of a problem however because the 362's go so low a sub is almost not needed!

I have also found some cheap 36" VTI stands (http://www.audiovideofurniture.ca/VTI-RF-Series-Speaker-Stands.htm) (thats a canadian site, they must have a US one, they shipped from California), they have a larger than normal top plate (6.5x8) that fit the huge 162's a little better.

Well I've been holding off on buying new speakers for a year and a half now. I'm currently running a 6.1 set of yamaha cheapies (think I paid $150 for the set and got a $50 gift card with it at bestbuy like 3 years ago). Any way, They're small 6ohm speakers that are ok, but don't seem to match up well with my 8 ohm sony recvr. Go figure. :rolleyes:

I had been holding out and planning on buying a set of the Ascend acoustic speakers, but after seeing the deal crutchfield was offering on the primus, I couldn't resist. I ended up getting 2 360's and c25(after reading the recommendations in this thread). With the free shipping I couldn't got wrong and ended saving $450 off from the equivalent ascend speakers.

On an interesting side note, the website said there was some problem with my credit card, so I called just to verify that the order was going to go through and everything. The operator verified it for me and told me that it would arrive on the 13th Or for an extra $3 dollars I could upgrade the shipping and get them on the 9th! I had to verify that about 3 times.(usually costs me an extra $40 to upgrade the shipping on Anything I order!) :D

Anyway, can't wait to get them and hook em up! Just thought I'd ask, How do these compare to the ascend speakers? I haven't read this entire thread so if this has already been answered I apologize. Also I'm not much of an audiophile (My CRT projector setup keeps me busy enough). All I know is my current speakers are the weak link in my current setup and I just want to reassure myself that I'm getting the most bang for my buck. So from that standpoint would a guy like me even notice a difference between the two?

Thanks. :D

There are codes floating around on different sites that offer a $20 discount. To get it to work, I had to order two singles @ $175 ea. For some reason, the discount did not apply when I tried to order a pair. Anyway, with discount, the delivered price was $329 and change. As of yesterday, according to CSR, they had less than 40 left in inventory. Maybe they were pushing the sale, but they told me that when these were gone, they wouldn't be able to get more.

I ordered my Yammy 659 yesterday. Pioneer 1016 was another choice.
Infinity Primus 360x2, C25 and 150x2 are also on their way.....thanks to Crutchfield....I already have BIC acoustech H-100 sub. I am looking forward to hook them up this weekend. I was initially leaning towards Pioneer 1016 which I thought will be little louder and warmer but after audition and close competition, I finally went for Yammy 659. Yammy felt bit louder and more rich in surround at same decibel level.

I ordered my Yammy 659 yesterday. Pioneer 1016 was another choice.
Infinity Primus 360x2, C25 and 150x2 are also on their way.....thanks to Crutchfield....I already have BIC acoustech H-100 sub. I am looking forward to hook them up this weekend. I was initially leaning towards Pioneer 1016 which I thought will be little louder and warmer but after audition and close competition, I finally went for Yammy 659. Yammy felt bit louder and more rich in surround at same decibel level.


I'm interested to know how you feel the BIC sounds with Primus so please post your experience. I'm looking to get a BIC to replace my sub...yea the 1016 sounds a little "weak" by comparison to the Yamaha and Onkyo's 604 IMO.

--Mike

Guys,
Along with your Primus purchase or user experience , I guess it would be a cool idea if you can share what receiver or sub do you use or intend to use with the setup.
:cool: So, please post the Receiver and Sub info as well. :)

I am happy with Crutchfield purchase. This is my first experience with them. I ordered four Primus 150 and a C25. All arrived on time.
My sub is Klipsch Synergy 10" and the receiver is Onkyo TX-SR703. I already have a pair of Primus 250. I have not connected all the new speakers yet.

I've got an older sony 6.1 reciever... 110 watts per channel, I believe. I've always been somewhat dissappointed with it, but then again I've only had 4 or 6 ohm speakers hooked up to it since I've had it. I can't wait to hear it with a properly matched 8 ohm front stage. Even if it sounds great, I'll probably be upgrading the recvr in the next 6-8 months. A mid lvl Onkyo or Denon most likely.

My sub is the Dayton 12" 150 watt downfiring sub... ( the $150 partsexpress one.) I'm not much of an audiophile, but I've been nothing but happy with this sub. For the price it's great. I'll see how it matches with the 360's and c25.

Anyway, I'll post my thoughts this weekend when I get it all hooked up. :)

Guys,
Along with your Primus purchase or user experience , I guess it would be a cool idea if you can share what receiver or sub do you use or intend to use with the setup.
:cool: So, please post the Receiver and Sub info as well. :)

2 -360's
2 - 150's
C25
JBL Northridge E-250
Harmon Kardon AVR Receiver

EXTREMELY Happy WIth All Components! If I had to rate them on "happiness factor" I would say the AVR was the highest followed closely by the 360's. HK receivers just kick butt....the clarity, dynamic range, and signal separation is waaay better than the Yamaha I switched from.

Guys,
Along with your Primus purchase or user experience , I guess it would be a cool idea if you can share what receiver or sub do you use or intend to use with the setup.
:cool: So, please post the Receiver and Sub info as well. :)


2 360s
1 c25
2 150s
2 152s
Yamaha yst-sw216
Onkyo 604

With the speakers and the size of my room 12X14 7.1 is overkill. I listen to music in All Channel Stereo and it's too much. I often find myself going to stereo and taking the volume up. To me, this sounds better than ACS in 7.1. ACS in this room is overwhelming.

I am most happy with Primus. So confident with them that I'm going to move the rear 150s to another room with that yamaha sub once i get a new sub. I think going from 7.1 to 6.1 in that space is a good thing as the speakers are awesome for Movies and it might be better with all channel stereo with 5.1

The sub sucks but it's perfectly fine with a pair of 150s. I set up the 150s with the sub and was amazed w/stereo.

The 604 was a grat purchase for me as a first time a/v receiver but i already have a wish list for the next one I buy. Mostly I want the ability to set multiple eq settings i can cycle thru because of the variety of music played in the house.

All said I'm very pleased with what i have.

--Mike

I listen to music in All Channel Stereo and it's too much. I often find myself going to stereo and taking the volume up. To me, this sounds better than ACS in 7.1. ACS in this room is overwhelming.
Have you tried Dolby Pro Logic IIx with your music? You might like that more than all channel stereo.

I am most happy with Primus. So confident with them that I'm going to move the rear 150s to another room with that yamaha sub once i get a new sub. I think going from 7.1 to 6.1 in that space is a good thing as the speakers are awesome for Movies and it might be better with all channel stereo with 5.1

I would suggest either staying with 7.1 or going to 5.1 instead of 6.1.

just picked up a pair of 360's for 199.00. local nj chain. they were the floor models but the store is only 3 months old.full factory warrenty.i am planning to use my 250's as side surrounds 150's as rear speakers.this goes with dayton 10 inch sub and beta c360 center. overkill?

was thinking about going with 4 floorstanding speakers. what do you all think? I don't what to bother with the mounting and if i'm going to have a mount there i'm thinking it might as well be a speaker. Either the p252 or p363

Have you tried Dolby Pro Logic IIx with your music? You might like that more than all channel stereo.


I would suggest either staying with 7.1 or going to 5.1 instead of 6.1.

I agree. 6.1 was a typo! I ment 5.1...never thought of Dolby for music...I will try Pro Logic IIX

--mike

never thought of Dolby for music...I will try Pro Logic IIX

DPLIIx has 3 listening modes - Movie, music and games. Each optimized for these materials. More info here
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/prologic_IIx.html

and beta c360 center. overkill?
Beta C360 is a fine center channel speaker, but not necessarily a good match for primus series. I would reconsider that part.

Just hooked up my 360's , 250's, 162's and pc350 to my new Yamaha 2700. Im using a 20-39pci cylinder sub from SVS and another smaller sub from my old setup. I calibrated using Avia. All I can say is.....WOW. I just played When We Were Soldiers and it is unbelievable how good this setup sounds. These speakers kick ass. I also played some Earth Wind and Fire and the mids and highs were crisp. This was a good decision getting these speakers. Back to listening......

So, the wife wants to put my new 57" DLP into a media cabinet. This means that my 250's are not the best option.

My setup:
Denon 7.1
(4) Infinity US1 surrounds
L/R 250
CC3 center
8" sub

What bookshelf speaker could I replace my 250s with that I won't cry after.

- Polk Monitor 40?
- Infinity 150s or 160s?

Well, I can't believe it. My 360's and c25 arrived a day early! best $3 I'v ever spent on shipping! :D

I hooked them up and did a very quick setup. I then watched 2 movies to test em out. First I played Sin city. I really think I'm going to be happy with this setup. I had them turned up pretty good and even during the really big nasty explosions I couldn't hear any distortions or crackling or what not (then again I really shouldn't, should I) ;) . Reason I picked Sincity is because my old speakers could never handle this movie's DTS track at a good volume with out distorting and cracking and I really wanted to see what they could do. I also watched the superbit version of the 5th Element. This was a great test to (since I'd also been tweaking my proj setup) I was amazed at how clear and crisp most of the dialouge was. I even picked up lines and mutterings I'd never heard or never understood before.

I think they match up pretty well with my sub, though I need to do some fine tuning and move my sub to a more appropriate location. right now it's on the back wall of my theater behind my recliner. I'm just waiting for my 50 feet of digital coax to come so I can move the sub to the front.

I can definitely tell these speakers are louder, though I still think a better recvr would really make them shine. Good thing my theater is pretty well underground, else I'd have lot's of P/O'ed neighbors! :D

I need to run through a proper setup with these yet before I can really see what they can do but so far I like. Tomorrow I'll test some nice easy listening... I was thinking some Metallica, Dragonforce... something else really loud and abusive, perhaps. :)

What do you think of the PC350? I currently have the Beta C360, which is an awesome speaker, But I have been wanting to get the Primus 360's ( I had these and got rid of them, and now I'm sorry because I havent found anything different I like) an 4 150 surrounds. I like the Beta C360, but I like the look of the PC350 and it would match the other PRimus speakers. I would buy the rest of the Beta line, but it seems that the primus speakers are just as good and cost a lot less.

Crossover points for Primus.

I’ve gone thru Audessey on the Onkyo 604 a few times with some surprising results. Audessey sets all speakers except the c25 to full band. AND sends LFE to the sub at 80hz. I’ve learned that this is generally an audio no-no. It also increases the db of the 360s to +2 and the sub to -2. I think this might make sense if full band is on but this seems like whacky decision making by Audessey.

I changed it to:
360s............60hz...........Fronts...................+0
c25.............100..............Center..................+1
150s............80..............Surrounds/back.....+1/+2
sub..............80...............LFE....................... +2

I‘m still fiddling with it any rules of thumb I’m overlooking. The crossovers could go lower to the almost exact ration of the speaker but I don’t think that’s a good idea. Am I wrong on this

Thanks

--mike

Infinity Primus Set-ups.

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If you have an Infinity Primus Set-up can you post a link to your set-up or send me some pics please. I am soon going to have a Primus set-up (Hopefully), and want to see what my fellow Primus lovers set-ups look like.

Thanks.

Crossover points for Primus.

I’ve gone thru Audessey on the Onkyo 604 a few times with some surprising results. Audessey sets all speakers except the c25 to full band. AND sends LFE to the sub at 80hz. I’ve learned that this is generally an audio no-no. It also increases the db of the 360s to +2 and the sub to -2. I think this might make sense if full band is on but this seems like whacky decision making by Audessey.

I changed it to:
360s............60hz...........Fronts...................+0
c25.............100..............Center..................+1
150s............80..............Surrounds/back.....+1/+2
sub..............80...............LFE....................... +2

I‘m still fiddling with it any rules of thumb I’m overlooking. The crossovers could go lower to the almost exact ration of the speaker but I don’t think that’s a good idea. Am I wrong on this

Thanks

--mike
Any speaker which can play below 80hz (both 360 and 150 can do that), Audyssey will set them to Large (or Full Band). I think the crossover frequencies you set manually for these speakers seem to be fine. You may like to try even 80hz for 360s and 100hz for 150s. No harm in a little experimentation and keep the one you like most. As for sub, I think you should push that up to 120hz.

I wouldn't change the speaker levels set by Audyssey, unless you are using SPL meter to calibrate it manually.

New to HT. OK, thanks to you guys I will be purchasing Primus series this weekend. One final small request for recommendation. My original purchase was going to be from Crutchfield:

Primus 360 x 2
Primus 150 x2
Primus C25
Bic H100

Total $870 shipped.

I saw today on Vanns site:

Primus 362 x 2
Primus 152 x 2
Primus PC350
PS212 sub

Total $1000 shipped.


For 130 looks like I get a better center channel, but what about the Infinity sub vs. the Bic. I have no way to audition either. Which setup is better value or is there a different combo that may be better. Thanks for your help.

Couldn't stand it... I broke down and ordered myself a new receiver as well. :rolleyes:

I like the new speakers, but I can tell that my current receiver is crap. There's improvement, but not enough. I know it has to be my recvr, because I've tried my old speakers on other recvr's (when I had roommates) and they sounded a lot better than mine. I've been unhappy with it for quite sometime, but now that I got a nice front stage, I want to take advantage of it!

I should be getting a new Onkyo TX-SR804 middle of next week! I helped a friend put together a theater last year with a 503 (or 603... can't quite remember) and was amazed by how great it sounded using Dayton In-wall speakers. I was planning on waiting till hdmi 1.3 hit the market, but who am I kidding. I don't even have any HDMI inputs on my projector and even if I did I'd probably only have one or 2 components, and I'd direct run them anyway.

Anyone else using the 804 with the 360/c25 frontstage? How does it sound?

Damn.. Now I'm impatient again. :D

Anyone else using the 804 with the 360/c25 frontstage? How does it sound?
They sound quite good with SR504, so I would think it can be only better with SR804.

BTW, don't forget to check out the thread on SR804 in "AMPs, Receivers, and Processors" forum. I remember reading about some humming issue with SR804.

Can anyone recommend a slim, inexpensive (around $50) surround stand for the 150s? The stands I've seen cost as much or more than the speakers.
The Sanus BF-31B (http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-BF-31B-Speaker-Stands/dp/B00006JQ5O/) ships for less than $45 on Amazon. I don't know if it's slim enough, but it's decent for the price. There's also a 24-inch version which has a higher capacity just because it's shorter.

They sound quite good with SR504, so I would think it can be only better with SR804.

BTW, don't forget to check out the thread on SR804 in "AMPs, Receivers, and Processors" forum. I remember reading about some humming issue with SR804.


I've been looking that thread over a little bit. Biggest issues I've seen are probs with the HDMI, but that seems to be pretty standard across the board from what I've noticed. I was actually only going to get the 674, but I found a silver 804 in the scratch and dent of crutchfield for about $50 less than the 674 and I figured since all my component are in a different room, I don't really care what it looks like and besides, if I'm going to upgrade I might as well do it on the high side of the power band.

Well It turns out someone beat me to it and got the S/D first. My order had already been submitted so I got a call from crutchfield. Anyway, long story short, they said they'd give me a new one instead for $699. That's still $300 off msrp and the same price as th 674... So what the hell? I can't wait to get this and give it a try. :D

Today I hooked up my Primus 150s to an older model receiver (circa early 80's Sony), and the computer/IPod.

Even though I've upgraded my main setup with different speakers, the 150s still make me smile. They sound fantastic in a small 2 channel setup - especially with the older receiver which has a warm sound and helps the 150s out in low frequency range.

Anybody looking for a nice sounding budget 2 channel system for music: I recommend finding some Primus 150s and a used receiver on Ebay. Not a low cost multichannel receiver, I'm talking the old school variety.

I've been looking that thread over a little bit. Biggest issues I've seen are probs with the HDMI, but that seems to be pretty standard across the board from what I've noticed. I was actually only going to get the 674, but I found a silver 804 in the scratch and dent of crutchfield for about $50 less than the 674 and I figured since all my component are in a different room, I don't really care what it looks like and besides, if I'm going to upgrade I might as well do it on the high side of the power band.

Well It turns out someone beat me to it and got the S/D first. My order had already been submitted so I got a call from crutchfield. Anyway, long story short, they said they'd give me a new one instead for $699. That's still $300 off msrp and the same price as th 674... So what the hell? I can't wait to get this and give it a try. :D
Great. I vaguely remembered reading it in that thread, so I just wanted you to be aware of this issue. All the best.

In case you are wondering (or have been waiting) Crutchfield is out of the 360's and I just ordered the last pair of 160's! I was holding off on the 360's until after the 15th and whammo! the only place that will ship them to an FPO address runs out.

Anyone upgrading to the 362 and want to sell their 360's?

In case you are wondering (or have been waiting) Crutchfield is out of the 360's and I just ordered the last pair of 160's! I was holding off on the 360's until after the 15th and whammo! the only place that will ship them to an FPO address runs out.

Anyone upgrading to the 362 and want to sell their 360's?


Correction - they have one single 360 on Scratch and dent. (Not a pair, a single)

I just ordered the last pair of 160's!

You were lucky! I nearly grabbed those two 160's yesterday when I ordered my recvr. You're Welcome! :D

thanks a bunch - the internet sure has made this a small world after all!

So I just got my 804 receiver today and I have been absolutely floored!!! I'm not much of an audiophile and I was expecting some improvement in SQ, but was expecting to hear it more in loudness than anything. this makes me feel a lot better about my recent spending spree, I was having some buyers remorse when they were paired with my old sony recvr. Not any more! I'm really glad I splurged on the recvr now. after hooking it up and running through the auto setup I happened to flip onto a Shelly Lynn concert (or something like that) on HDnet and... and... What can I say? I'm still in shock. The damn thing even makes my cheapy yamahoppers sound decent (using them for the 4 surround channels right now)... Which Reminds me...

thanks a bunch - the internet sure has made this a small world after all!

I hope you enjoy those 160's, because I am so Kicking myself for not grabbing them now! :D

Well... Off to do some more watching with my ears. ;) I'm going to run a couple good DTS movies and I'll post back with my impressions on how it sounded.

Appears Crutchfield still has some 160s in stock. They are showing up as "Low Stock". 360s are indeed sold out - all they have now are 362s.

Ordered a pair of 250's from Crutchfield last night - hopefully they will arrive by Friday. :D

Hi all,

Last week I saw an ad for a Infinity Primus II set: 2x 250, 2x 150, 1x C25 and 1xPS8 for 550 euro's. (I live in the Netherlands)

All speakers separate would put me back 1050 euros, so I was amazed with this deal!

I'm only doubting if the PS8 will be good enough. I have a small/medium sized living room for this setup and I'll hook it up to a ONKYO 703 (thanks to the recommendations in this thread!).

In the shop these speakers were set up with a MARANTZ 3001 (i think) which made them sound really high on "highs". This might have been the CD that the sales assistant used, but I bet that this can be filtered out/adjusted by playing with the settings on the amp. right? Because later we listened to a different pair of 250's on a different amp, and this already made a big difference.

I took my girlfriend with me to the shop yesterday to buy the speakers (which is a big no no for most guys probably on here). And she really thought that the speakers were ugly becaused they looked cheap to her, and she didn't liked the sound of them. (!!!) But then the guy in the shop showed her 2 massive 3500 euro each speakers, and she didn't liked the sound of them either, which showed me I would've been better of leaving her home.

Anyway, the shop didn't have a complete set on stock, so I made a reservation and they are going to call me as soon as they come in. Hopefully this will be soon, but as this is a discontinued product I'm a bit anxious.

Should I look for a different sub? I do like bass, but there is no need to shake the whole neighborhood.

Thanks, :)

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I'm only doubting if the PS8 will be good enough.
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Should I look for a different sub?
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I suggest you just wait until you have everything setup in your room and have listened to your favorite music pieces/movies to determine if you need a larger/more expensive sub.
Infinity makes larger subs but you can easily spend as much on the sub alone as on all the other speakers together.
The PS8 is good enough for music at reasonable volume levels, it may come a little short on explosions and other SFX in movies but that really depends on your taste and how often you watch that kind of movie.

Hey Guys! Thanks to every posting information and personal reviews, it helped me out a lot in making a decision. I think ive decided to buy from the Primus series :) but ever since the new speakers came out (362 etc..) noone has really been bundling the speakers together. Well I just checked on Vanns today and found they are now bundling p252's packages and p362's packages! I was just wondering what you guys thought of these bundles and what you think is the best value, and if you would jump on this now or just wait..

The 252 Bundle (Sorry cant post links yet but all you have to do is go to Vanns and click on the indivitual primus 252 speaker) has 2 different packages just differing in subwoofers. The nicer package is only $50 more.
For $750 you get:
(2) P252's
(2) P142's
(1) PC250
(1) ps-10

The 362 Bundle (Sorry cant post links yet but all you have to do is go to Vanns and click on the indivitual primus 362 speaker) has 2 different packages as well differing in subwoofers. The more expensive package is $100 more.
For $999 you get:
(2) P362's
(2) P152's
(1) PC350
(1) PS-212

I orginally wanted the p152's for the back because of what i read around here but i really just wonderign what you guys think of these packages, which one is the best value in your eyes and why one outweighs another,and if you could pick which one and why would you. Thanks for any help!

I’m looking into subs for my Primus set. 2x360, c25, 4x150.

Room HxWxD=11x12x14 and 50/50 music movies

So far my list looks like this.

Primus PS-12
BIC-H100
HSU VTF-2 MKII/III

My taxes will be coming back and I’ll have enough to get the HSU. Since I can’t hear any of these I was wondering if anyone has experience with the listed subs. I’m partial to the HSU but it’s downward firing and I live in an apartment and have no desire to get arrested for disturbing the peace. Primus might be better matched but I really don’t know and BIC was my first choice because of its price and reviews.

Any comments?

Thx

--Mike

Can someone give me a review of the infinity ps 212 sub. Is is worth the money and does it perform better than the ps-12

I’m looking into subs for my Primus set. 2x360, c25, 4x150.

Room HxWxD=11x12x14 and 50/50 music movies

So far my list looks like this.

Primus PS-12
BIC-H100
HSU VTF-2 MKII/III

My taxes will be coming back and I’ll have enough to get the HSU. Since I can’t hear any of these I was wondering if anyone has experience with the listed subs. I’m partial to the HSU but it’s downward firing and I live in an apartment and have no desire to get arrested for disturbing the peace. Primus might be better matched but I really don’t know and BIC was my first choice because of its price and reviews.

Any comments?

Thx

--Mike

Truly, Mike, try the JBL Northridge series 12" sub.

The tightness and power of the bass is simply outstanding. I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for JBLs front/surround speakers in this price range (too bright & tinny), but this sub simply kicks butt, especially with the Primus'.

Read the reviews here: http://www.audioreview.com/PRD_289347_2741crx.aspx

On the performance ratings 10 out of 12 reviews give 5 out of 5 and the other two reviews are 4 out of 5, with some pretty good descriptions.

Go to EBAY, item # 260087620823. Sold for $600 at Best Buy....can pick it up now for less than $250.

Also here: http://www.idealav.com/item.aspx?eid=1&pid=78664

What would you guys suggest for a receiver (preferably less than $500) to drive p362's fronts, p152's backs, pc350, and ps212 sub?? Maybe your top 3 or 4 receiver choices for this setup so i have a few options to look into. And which one is your favorite and why. Thanks!

My living room where my HT is setup has a very weird open configuration. Down to the bottom line, at the moment my two surrounds are Primus 150s and the are very close to the two sides of the cough as compared to being on a higher level on the wall and at some substantial distance. So I was thinking if I can try some di-poles rather than the two 150s as they are very directional at such a short distance around the center couch. Athena R1.2 or Mirage Nanosat were gathering my attention with the latter having too high a frequency starting point to my liking (I want something of 80hz or little below).
My mains are 360s and center is c25 with BIC H-100 sub . I would prefer a bigger sound field for surrounds and was wondering if anyone is using some affordable dipoles etc??
Would apprecite any input.

Okay, I was looking to upgrade my HTIB speakers from <gasp> pioneer, when I stumbled on to this thread. After reading about these speakers, I decided to go see if I could find anything on closeout locally so I could hear them. Lo and behold, I found a pair of 250's, a C25, and a PS8. I snatched all of them after a listen.

Here's my issue with the current thread:

My space is small, so taking into consideration my space limitations, I needed to buy a scaled down version of what everyone hear talks about.

I am about to order the last piece of my 5.1 puzzle (rears), and what I havent seen is much about the 140's. Due to my size issues (250's front, PS8 sub, C25 center), I was flabbergasted by the size of the 160's. They would easily topple any of my current stands, and bigger stands just aren't an option.

Have any of you had the oppotunity to use the 140's? I mean, most of you all have deafening 360's, PS12's, and 160's... I gotta tell you, I have been pleasantly surprised at the range in 250's and a PS8 (you can't shake your neighbor's house, but are you really wanting to tick them off?)

What I have now (in my opinion) is a perfect set for an apartment or small living room setup with a Onkyo 604 to push em. What do you think of setting up the 140's as rear speakers in this slightly modified version of the "standard" setup?

Should I be looking for something else?

patrick

Okay, I was looking to upgrade my HTIB speakers from <gasp> pioneer, when I stumbled on to this thread. After reading about these speakers, I decided to go see if I could find anything on closeout locally so I could hear them. Lo and behold, I found a pair of 250's, a C25, and a PS8. I snatched all of them after a listen.

Here's my issue with the current thread:

My space is small, so taking into consideration my space limitations, I needed to buy a scaled down version of what everyone hear talks about.

I am about to order the last piece of my 5.1 puzzle (rears), and what I havent seen is much about the 140's. Due to my size issues (250's front, PS8 sub, C25 center), I was flabbergasted by the size of the 160's. They would easily topple any of my current stands, and bigger stands just aren't an option.

Have any of you had the oppotunity to use the 140's? I mean, most of you all have deafening 360's, PS12's, and 160's... I gotta tell you, I have been pleasantly surprised at the range in 250's and a PS8 (you can't shake your neighbor's house, but are you really wanting to tick them off?)

What I have now (in my opinion) is a perfect set for an apartment or small living room setup with a Onkyo 604 to push em. What do you think of setting up the 140's as rear speakers in this slightly modified version of the "standard" setup?

Should I be looking for something else?

patrick

What's the size of the living room? mines is 12x14x11(h) and totally closed. I've got 360s and 150s and could have easily gone with all 150s with a sub. In fact i tested this out since i have 4 150s and it's pretty damn good wih my 604 as well.

I think the 140s will be fine. Infinity sells a HT setup and it is all 140s, a center, and the 10” sub. If they think its fine then I guess it would be ok for your situation. I personally like the 150s and the driver size is the same as the 250s. It’s more important that the front stage is tonally matched and yours already is, so the rears aren't all that big a deal.

If you’re happy with the performance of what you call “scaled down” then by all means get the 140s. BTW it’s not really scaled down. Different models are designed for varying purposes and it sounds like the 250 meet you purpose.

--Mike

My room is 15long x 12wide x 8high but it has one wall that is wide open to to kitchen. I think my primary problem is that I can't get sturdier stands for the 150's or 160's because of the size of the sectional. I went ahead and purchased some 140's from Crutchfield after reading your response.

Do you feel that I will be missing out on any specific ranges with the 250's, 140's, c25, and PS8? The receiver is capable of 7.1, but I got no place to put the right and left speakers.

Thanks for your replies.

patrick

My room is 15long x 12wide x 8high but it has one wall that is wide open to to kitchen. I think my primary problem is that I can't get sturdier stands for the 150's or 160's because of the size of the sectional. I went ahead and purchased some 140's from Crutchfield after reading your response.

Do you feel that I will be missing out on any specific ranges with the 250's, 140's, c25, and PS8? The receiver is capable of 7.1, but I got no place to put the right and left speakers.

Thanks for your replies.

patrick


I struggled over the whole "range" thing for a while myself. Like you I came from a crappy system to this. I tried to future proof as much as possible but it;s usless unless you got big dollars and even then there always something around the corner. I can say I'm more than impressed with what i ended up with even tho' I'm still using my crappy sub...I'll replace it in due course. I like bass so I would have gotten a bigger sub. Right now I've got a 10" 100w yamaha that goes down to 38hz that I sure the Infinty ps-8 beats up on it. I'm happy with it for music (it gets boomy at times) but want more for movies.

For my taste and from what I've learned so far, I want a sub that gets down to 25hz with power and carity. I'm looking into the BIC-H100, JBL E250P for less than 300 shipped and I have my eye on the HSU VTF-2...It's pricy but I'll see as time goes on. You don't have to stay with the same brand for the sub it really matters most on the front.

Crutchfield is a great company. If the 140s don't cut it because of the open area or because of your ears return it and get 150s. If the bass is missing a bit then maybe you could return the 8 and get a bigger sub...providing it's within your budget and keep the 140s.

With the open area I would definatley get a bigger sub but in the end it's all about how it sounds to YOU.

The 150s are 12(h)x7(w)x10(d) and I think 13 lbs so finding stands ain't really a problem. A page or 2 back in the thread are a few dicussion regarding stands that go for about 50-70 a pair that do work with 150s. I agree that the 160s shoudn't be classified as a book shelf!

Hope this helps
--Mike

Hey guys i just went buy Sound Advice and picked up the Yamaha RX-V1500 on clearance for $379. What do you guys think of my deal and this receiver powering my Primus series?

I am reading such good things about the C25, but how does it match up with the PC250. On Vanns website the PC250 center channel is about 90 dollars more. Just want to know if this is worth it...

I am reading such good things about the C25, but how does it match up with the PC250. On Vanns website the PC250 center channel is about 90 dollars more. Just want to know if this is worth it...
I have been asking myself this same very question. The C25 is a good center BUT I am seriously thinking about ordering the PC350. I would venture to say that the PC250 is basically the same thing as the C25 with the exception of a few minor changes in the X-over and cosmetics. However, the PC350 is a different story in that it is larger than the C25 AND includes (2) 3" mids. Guess the PC350 is a 3-way speaker design as opposed to the 2-way on both the C25 and the PC250 respectively. Has anyone here been able to compare the C25 to the PC350?? If so, is the PC350 that much better than the C25?

Hey guys i just went buy Sound Advice and picked up the Yamaha RX-V1500 on clearance for $379. What do you guys think of my deal and this receiver powering my Primus series?


It'll be fine. I've got an Onky 604 and it has 90w per channel and it drive my 7.1 primus VERY well.

--Mike

I just ordered the Primus 362 w/PS212 promotion set from Vanns. Looking forward to getting these!

Hi all, I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to speakers and I appreciate all the information in this thread and it seems like Infinity Primus speakers are a great speaker at a reasonable price.

I have a question though, I have a newer Sony 6.1 receiver (STR-DG500) since my old 5.1 crapped out on my a few months ago and I have some ancient floorstanding Sonys and center channel (they are probably at least 12 years old). I've also got some cheap surround speakers I picked up years ago and a (don't laugh) KLH sub.

Would I see a big improvement if I went to the following?

Primus C25
2 Primus 250s
2 Primus 150s
Infinity PS12 Sub
Onkyo 504 Receiver (or something similar)

I want to upgrade if I'll notice a big difference and since I'm getting a new TV delivered soon I thought I'd work on upgrading my sound as well.

Your input is greatly appreciated. :)

I just ordered the Primus 362 w/PS212 promotion set from Vanns. Looking forward to getting these!

Congrats! Im hoping to order the same system soon. Let us know how they sound. BTW, how long did they say shipping would take to get it there?

Thanks. It's quite a deal they're offering (and no tax or shipping on top of that!) and I just couldn't pass it up. I ordered ground shipping and it says delivery around 2/28, so that's not bad at all. For just $400 extra I could get two-day shipping arriving on 2/26 :D

These are actually going into a theater room that won't be ready for a few months, but I don't want to risk losing the deal if it was limited-time only. I will probably temporarily pull out my Denon 4806 and hook them up when they arrive just to test them out that all is well.

Hi all, I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to speakers and I appreciate all the information in this thread and it seems like Infinity Primus speakers are a great speaker at a reasonable price.

I have a question though, I have a newer Sony 6.1 receiver (STR-DG500) since my old 5.1 crapped out on my a few months ago and I have some ancient floorstanding Sonys and center channel (they are probably at least 12 years old). I've also got some cheap surround speakers I picked up years ago and a (don't laugh) KLH sub.

Would I see a big improvement if I went to the following?

Primus C25
2 Primus 250s
2 Primus 150s
Infinity PS12 Sub
Onkyo 504 Receiver (or something similar)

I want to upgrade if I'll notice a big difference and since I'm getting a new TV delivered soon I thought I'd work on upgrading my sound as well.

Your input is greatly appreciated. :)

Yes! Huge Improvement, IMHO. Sony is not known for its speaker expertise. I have actually auditioned some Sony speakers before and they were not very impressive....whereas the Primus' are awesome.

Are the Primus 250s better than the Infinity RS2s that I have been using for the last several years?

I just ordered the Primus 362 w/PS212 promotion set from Vanns. Looking forward to getting these!

Nice! That's a great deal. I have the 360s, C25 and PS10 and they sound fantastic. You'll love your new set-up...

Thanks, looking forward to it!

Has any Primus owner been able to compare the all new PC350 center to the C25? Been seriously thinking about moving up to the PC350 BUT still a bit uncertain. What I am particularly interested in is if the PC350 would really be that much of an improvement with respect to the C25. More specifically, would the added 3" mids improve intelligiblity??? Please help if you can. :)

Are the Primus 250s better than the Infinity RS2s that I have been using for the last several years?
I can't say for certain how the 250s compare to the RS2s but I have owned RS2s and Primus 360s and the Primus 360s are better.

Yes! Huge Improvement, IMHO. Sony is not known for its speaker expertise. I have actually auditioned some Sony speakers before and they were not very impressive....whereas the Primus' are awesome.

Thanks Calvin! I figured that would be the case but I didn't want to spend all that money and not notice much of an improvement.

Has anyone experienced the pc350. Would love to know if there is any sort of noticeable difference between the pc350 and the pc250. Thanks!

Guess NOT. However, if any of you ever get the chance to directly compare the C25 center to the new PC350 please be sure to post your observations. Been seriously considering ordering one myself-just NOT real sure how much better it would be. I want to move up NOT move laterally. In other words, the PC350 would have to be significantly better than the C25 in overall performance.

Guess NOT. However, if any of you ever get the chance to directly compare the C25 center to the new PC350 please be sure to post your observations. Been seriously considering ordering one myself-just NOT real sure how much better it would be. I want to move up NOT move laterally. In other words, the PC350 would have to be significantly better than the C25 in overall performance.

My question would be, is there any particular flaw you find in the C25? The vocals sound like they are in the room with you so I don't know what improvement I would be looking for in the PC350.

My question would be, is there any particular flaw you find in the C25? The vocals sound like they are in the room with you so I don't know what improvement I would be looking for in the PC350.
Hi Calvin. There is no major flaw with respect to the C25 well at least for the money per se. However, the PC350 is a 3-way and has (2) 3" mids. This should add to the over-all clarity and thus result in a bit more intelligibility. Furthermore, I have the 360's up front and feel as though the PC350 would offer better resolution and perhaps offer more dynamically speaking. Other than that, there would be imho no real reason to upgrade.

Hi Calvin. There is no major flaw with respect to the C25 well at least for the money per se. However, the PC350 is a 3-way and has (2) 3" mids. This should add to the over-all clarity and thus result in a bit more intelligibility. Furthermore, I have the 360's up front and feel as though the PC350 would offer better resolution and perhaps offer more dynamically speaking. Other than that, there would be imho no real reason to upgrade.

I can see how that might be true, but I just don't know for sure. The center channel usually has less to resolve than the front channels and therefore the separation might not be that big of a deal. I agree with you on the 360's, they do a great job.

I can see how that might be true, but I just don't know for sure. The center channel usually has less to resolve than the front channels and therefore the separation might not be that big of a deal. I agree with you on the 360's, they do a great job.
Calvin I think that having more dynamic capability would be reason enough to upgrade. The PC350 should do just that and as such work very well with the 360's. It looks like I will be getting a PC350 very soon. Remember, the center channel speaker is paramount to having superb ht performance. Some will say they prefer a "Phantom" center but imho they are in the MINORITY. This, on the other hand, is what keeps things much more interesting-you know keeping our own individuality. Thank God himeself we all dont prefer the same exact thing. Just think of how boring things would really be if we did. :eek: :eek:

Based on what I've heard with my own ears as well as some research done here I've decided to upgrade to the following for my new HT room:
1 x C25
2 x 250's
4 x 150's

My question is, what kind of placement should the satellites (150's) have? My room is 14' wide by 20' long. The seating will be about 11' from the screen, leaving 8-9' behind for speaker placement. This is my first experience with a 7.1 setup, so I'm unsure how the four sat's should be placed (two even with the seating and two in the back corners or along the back wall?). Any thoughts/assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.

My question would be, is there any particular flaw you find in the C25? The vocals sound like they are in the room with you so I don't know what improvement I would be looking for in the PC350.

I have a C25 paired with 360 fronts and a PS10 sub. It's a great set-up IMO. Dialog is crystal clear and the 360 pack plenty of punch.

Calvin I think that having more dynamic capability would be reason enough to upgrade. The PC350 should do just that and as such work very well with the 360's. It looks like I will be getting a PC350 very soon. Remember, the center channel speaker is paramount to having superb ht performance. Some will say they prefer a "Phantom" center but imho they are in the MINORITY. This, on the other hand, is what keeps things much more interesting-you know keeping our own individuality. Thank God himeself we all dont prefer the same exact thing. Just think of how boring things would really be if we did. :eek: :eek:

Let us know how it turns out.

Let us know how it turns out.
Will do Calvin but it may be a bit yet. Lots going on here right now.......LOL!!! However, will see what I can do. :) :)

Based on what I've heard with my own ears as well as some research done here I've decided to upgrade to the following for my new HT room:
1 x C25
2 x 250's
4 x 150's

My question is, what kind of placement should the satellites (150's) have? My room is 14' wide by 20' long. The seating will be about 11' from the screen, leaving 8-9' behind for speaker placement. This is my first experience with a 7.1 setup, so I'm unsure how the four sat's should be placed (two even with the seating and two in the back corners or along the back wall?). Any thoughts/assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Here is an image from Dolby showing speaker placement in 7.1 setup

http://www.dolby.com/images/consumer/home_entertainment/room_d4.gif

To maintain those placement angles (given the 8-9' behind listening position) for surround back speakers, you will need to spread them apart about 9.5'-10.5'.

After getting my RPTV, my Beta 360 center has become a paperweight, since there's literally no room for it. However, it is possible for me to squeeze a Primus center in there.

My question is...does the Primus line match the Betas tonally?

After getting my RPTV, my Beta 360 center has become a paperweight, since there's literally no room for it. However, it is possible for me to squeeze a Primus center in there.

My question is...does the Primus line match the Betas tonally?
I would think they will sound quite different. Beta line uses CMMD drivers compared to MMD in primus line.

An alternative could be to use some center channel speaker stand like the following and point the speaker to the ear level:
http://www.racksandstands.com/Lovan-L-ML2CB-1887-LV1096.html

http://common.csnstores.com/common/products/LV/LV1096_m.jpg

It goes on floor, so keep it in front on RPTV.

This should add to the over-all clarity and thus result in a bit more intelligibility. Furthermore, I have the 360's up front and feel as though the PC350 would offer better resolution and perhaps offer more dynamically speaking. Other than that, there would be imho no real reason to upgrade.
With C25 as center, never had any issues with clarity or intelligibility, but you are right PC350s are tempting.

A basic question though, have you calibrated/level matched your speakers using SPL meter? I know auto setup feature does it for you, but good placement and a little tweaking can always make some difference. In any case, I always like to verify the setting by using SPL meter too.

Does anyone know or can recommend some speakers stands for the pc250 most importantly and for future reference possibly the 152's as well? Something low $$ would be great but really it would great to see what i can use to hold this center channel (and possibly the surrounds). Thanks for any help!

Axs--Thanks for the help. I'd found that diagram when I got home from work and started poking around which looks like it was about 5 minutes before you posted it. I've got the placement all figured out...speakers should be here on Tuesday. Can't wait!

With C25 as center, never had any issues with clarity or intelligibility, but you are right PC350s are tempting.

A basic question though, have you calibrated/level matched your speakers using SPL meter? I know auto setup feature does it for you, but good placement and a little tweaking can always make some difference. In any case, I always like to verify the setting by using SPL meter too.
No just got a RS SPL meter today. But, I have decided to go ahead and get the PC350 regardless. In fact, tried to order one from Vanns today and right now they are out of stock. I have a Vanns card and do not want to put much on my Visa right now so I will have to wait. But, you do make a good point with respect to the C25. :) :)

Axs--Thanks for the help. I'd found that diagram when I got home from work and started poking around which looks like it was about 5 minutes before you posted it. I've got the placement all figured out...speakers should be here on Tuesday. Can't wait!
Congrats on your purchase. Welcome to the Forum. Be sure to let us know what your impressions are once you get everything set-up. Just loving my Primus speakers. :) :)

I was using Avia last night and the frequency sweeps for each individual speaker uncovered a buzzing that occurs in my right Primus 360 in one of the higher frequencies. :( What a pain. My C25 came DOA and now I'll have to send one of my 360s back too.

You can't even order a 360 at The Audio Video Source anymore, so I guess replacement is out. They'll have to fix it I guess.

Other than that, I love those front Primus 360s.

What's your opinion of using 5 Primus 140's for a small room home theater/music system. IMO, I think that 5 140's are a better choice than the Theater Pack because front soundstage and surrounds will be identical. The reason some may prefer the 140's over the 150's is size. Considering that everyone will be using a sub with them anyway this should be a nice little setup.

My setup consists of two 160's for fronts, and two 140's for the rears. If you've heard any of the infinity line, the 140's are no different. Obviously it's not as deep as the towers would be, but they sound just as clear, and I think in a small room, for what the 140's cost, they'd be perfect. Not to mention they're cute as hell when mounted on the side walls. :D

My setup consists of two 160's for fronts, and two 140's for the rears. If you've heard any of the infinity line, the 140's are no different. Obviously it's not as deep as the towers would be, but they sound just as clear, and I think in a small room, for what the 140's cost, they'd be perfect. Not to mention they're cute as hell when mounted on the side walls. :D
Hi Jacob what wall mounts are you using? The reason I ask is that I need to get my 150's up on the back wall. Unfortunately, my couch is also up against the rear wall and as such I only have a 5.1. I need some mounts that will hold the 150's and offer some positioning options both vertically and horizontally. Really hate to put screws in the back of the 150's but will if need be. Would appreciate your input.

Has anyone auditioned (or owned) both the 150s and 152s? I have auditioned the 152s and really like them but can get the 150s for almost half the price. I don't care about having the latest and greatest, I just want good sound from my setup. I would use the 150s for the fronts.

I'm looking at probably the Infinity ERS 110IIS for the rear surrounds in a 5.1 setup. For the center channel, is there a big difference between the C25 and the C250? I can get the C25 for $100 and the C250 is $250. I know the center channel is the most important speaker in a HT setup, but is this the same as the 150/152 difference (if there is one), or is the 250 worth the extra $? I don't mind spending the money if it gets me something, but I don't want to spend money just for the newest thing.

I have an Onkyo SR603X and will be getting a sub as well (10" or 12"), but haven't decided so much on that yet, although all suggestions are appreciated. Also, if the Onkyo won't be up to the task, i'm not opposed to getting a new receiver as well.

Reading through this thread convinced to buy a Primus speaker system. Here's what I got:

(2) P362's
(2) P142's
(1) PC350
(1) PS-212

I went for the P142's over P152's and P162's because of size (like type456 above). I could exchange the P142's up, but I'm wondering if it is worth it.

Also, this is my first home theatre set-up. Anyone got a pointer to cabling information. How important is picking the right cabling? I've heard you can substitute video cabling for your subwoofer cabling. Is that true? (Would save me a buck or two, since I have some around.)

BTW, I was thinking of going for the Vann's bundle, but the 362 bundle was not on their site anymore. (252 bundle still there.) Searching around, I got prices slightly better than the Vann's bundle from my local Video Only without bundling.

Has anyone auditioned (or owned) both the 150s and 152s? I have auditioned the 152s and really like them but can get the 150s for almost half the price. I don't care about having the latest and greatest, I just want good sound from my setup. I would use the 150s for the fronts.

I'm looking at probably the Infinity ERS 110IIS for the rear surrounds in a 5.1 setup. For the center channel, is there a big difference between the C25 and the C250? I can get the C25 for $100 and the C250 is $250. I know the center channel is the most important speaker in a HT setup, but is this the same as the 150/152 difference (if there is one), or is the 250 worth the extra $? I don't mind spending the money if it gets me something, but I don't want to spend money just for the newest thing.

I have an Onkyo SR603X and will be getting a sub as well (10" or 12"), but haven't decided so much on that yet, although all suggestions are appreciated. Also, if the Onkyo won't be up to the task, i'm not opposed to getting a new receiver as well.


Get the cheaper ones.

I have both 150s and 152s. As far as I can tell they are identical sonicly. The only difference is the grill and the face of the speaker is all grey. They did change the grill holes because the grills aren't interchangable.

The new line is just cosmetic and they are getting rid of the older models. The only "new" speaker in the line is the c350 which is a 3-way center. the c25/0 is a 2-way and it deos really well with my 360s up front so it should do just as well for the 150s

I've got the Onkyo 604 and it does the job.

--Mike

Just got my 360's in today to replace the 250's I was using as fronts. I was quite suprised at the difference in mid-range...very noticeable. Not too mention, the bass the 360's produce is not so much deep as it is quick and hard hitting, which is what I felt I was lacking with the 250's. U-571 was fantastic!! :)

Set up includes:

2- 360's
2-150's
1-C25 (soon to be PC350)
:D :D BIC H-100 SUB :D :D

Just got my 360's in today to replace the 250's I was using as fronts. I was quite suprised at the difference in mid-range...very noticeable. Not too mention, the bass the 360's produce is not so much deep as it is quick and hard hitting, which is what I felt I was lacking with the 250's. U-571 was fantastic!! :)

Set up includes:

2- 360's
2-150's
1-C25 (soon to be PC350)
:D :D BIC H-100 SUB :D :D
Congrats on your upgrade. My set-up is identical to yours with exception of the sub. I just ordered a SVS PB10-NSD and I also have (2) Acoustic Research 8" subs. What did you do with your 250's??? They would great in the rear. Just loving my Primus speakers and like you I may also upgrade to the larger PC350 center speaker. :) :)

What did you do with your 250's??? They would great in the rear. Just loving my Primus speakers and like you I may also upgrade to the larger PC350 center speaker. :) :)


Sold them to a co-worker, he had purchased the Primus theater pack and wanted to get 2 floorstanding speakers to complete his 7.1 system. I thought about just keeping them, but I couldnt really make the room configuration work. I may just get another 2-150's to round out the system.

Hi Jacob what wall mounts are you using? The reason I ask is that I need to get my 150's up on the back wall. Unfortunately, my couch is also up against the rear wall and as such I only have a 5.1. I need some mounts that will hold the 150's and offer some positioning options both vertically and horizontally. Really hate to put screws in the back of the 150's but will if need be. Would appreciate your input.

Well here's the thing.. I'm actually still in the market for mounts (Theater room isn't quite finished, long story), although as you probably already know, the 140's have a threaded insert for mounting that the 150's do not. I think you and I might be looking for different things. I'm sure many people here would know much more than I do on this topic, so I might throw this question back out to you guys.

On a tangent, can anybody direct me to a link, or explain to me how to upload pictures to the forum? I'm new to this forum, and I'd love some feedback on my basement renovation/theater room.

Sold them to a co-worker, he had purchased the Primus theater pack and wanted to get 2 floorstanding speakers to complete his 7.1 system. I thought about just keeping them, but I couldnt really make the room configuration work. I may just get another 2-150's to round out the system.
That sounds like a feasible plan. However, if you upgrade to the larger PC350 and as such replace your C25 why not use it in the back giving you a 6.1 configuration??? I am thinking about doing just that since I really do not have enough room behind my seating position for a 7.1 set-up. The C25 in my set-up would have to be mounted very close to my ceiling and not sure if it would really add much. May experiment down the road and see BUT it will surely be a while. Just a thought that would save you some money. :) :)

Well here's the thing.. I'm actually still in the market for mounts (Theater room isn't quite finished, long story), although as you probably already know, the 140's have a threaded insert for mounting that the 150's do not. I think you and I might be looking for different things. I'm sure many people here would know much more than I do on this topic, so I might throw this question back out to you guys.

On a tangent, can anybody direct me to a link, or explain to me how to upload pictures to the forum? I'm new to this forum, and I'd love some feedback on my basement renovation/theater room.
Jacob, the 150's also have that insert on the back but since my seating position is against the back wall attaching the 150's that way would have them firing straight out into the room. That would work fine if I had the room for a 7.1 but for my application the rears would sound better facing or firing in the direction of my seating position 2-3' above ear level. If you are looking for a set of mounts Crutchfield has the B-Tech BT1's for $30 a set which would work well for you. Hence, you can swivel the the 140's left to right as well as up and down giving you various placement opportunities. There is, however, a limit on the amount of left to right adjustment as well as up or down (tilt). Just thought I would mention that to you. :) :)

Had a chance to search around, and answered some of my questions:
I went for the P142's over P152's and P162's because of size (like type456 above). I could exchange the P142's up, but I'm wondering if it is worth it.In this thread, there is some discussion of this question:

"Onkyo speakers have no clarity"
http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=470010

It seems that the bass of the 150's/152s for surround is noticeable (especially for certain effects), and worth getting if you can fit it sizewise.

That makes the decision harder for me. I was hoping to hear, just go for the 142's; you will hardly notice the difference.


Also, this is my first home theatre set-up. Anyone got a pointer to cabling information. How important is picking the right cabling?
This article at this link does a good job of explaining speaker wire:

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire.htm#wiretable

Hi Jacob what wall mounts are you using? The reason I ask is that I need to get my 150's up on the back wall. Unfortunately, my couch is also up against the rear wall and as such I only have a 5.1. I need some mounts that will hold the 150's and offer some positioning options both vertically and horizontally. Really hate to put screws in the back of the 150's but will if need be. Would appreciate your input.

Did they stop putting the screw hangers on the back of the 150's or something? My 150's have two slot-holes so you can screw two screws into the wall and hang them on the screw heads. Heck, I even have them mounted this way in a corner via some creative work with a slice of 2x4 cut at just the right angle behind the speaker - you can't even tell.

Did they stop putting the screw hangers on the back of the 150's or something? My 150's have two slot-holes so you can screw two screws into the wall and hang them on the screw heads. Heck, I even have them mounted this way in a corner via some creative work with a slice of 2x4 cut at just the right angle behind the speaker - you can't even tell.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I know what you're talking about, on all three bookshelf models there are two small keyhole mounts on the back used to mount them flush on the wall, or even against an angled block of wood as the picture showed. I was talking about a third mounting hole, this one threaded, near the center of the speaker. On the third page of the owners manual there's an illustration of what I'm talking about. It says (P140 only), but I've never owned a pair of 150's, so I can't say for sure.
http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/INFP1859PrimusII-om-LowRes.pdf

This is how I plan on mounting my 140's, provided I can find a threaded mount strong enough to support them. (Is 7 lbs heavy?)

EDIT: I just noticed audiofreak's response, and the mounts you recommended are exactly what I was looking for! I've just ordered a pair, I'll let you know how they work. :D

Speakers are out for delivery today...woo hoo! Kind of disappointed I missed the Vanns 360 bundle by a couple days, but I called around and landed a PS212 for not much more than a Bic, and that should arrive Friday. Going to be a fun rest of the week.

That sounds like a feasible plan. However, if you upgrade to the larger PC350 and as such replace your C25 why not use it in the back giving you a 6.1 configuration??? I am thinking about doing just that since I really do not have enough room behind my seating position for a 7.1 set-up. The C25 in my set-up would have to be mounted very close to my ceiling and not sure if it would really add much. May experiment down the road and see BUT it will surely be a while. Just a thought that would save you some money. :) :)


Thats not a bad idea at all. Might have to give that a shot. Thanks for the idea!

Not sure if there's a real pic of the PC350 in the thread, I didnt see one, but here's about all I could find.

Get the cheaper ones.

I have both 150s and 152s. As far as I can tell they are identical sonicly. The only difference is the grill and the face of the speaker is all grey. They did change the grill holes because the grills aren't interchangable.

The new line is just cosmetic and they are getting rid of the older models. The only "new" speaker in the line is the c350 which is a 3-way center. the c25/0 is a 2-way and it deos really well with my 360s up front so it should do just as well for the 150s

I've got the Onkyo 604 and it does the job.

--Mike
Thanks for the quick response.

Will the 150s cut it for front speaker duty? Seems most people here have the 250s or 360s for fronts, but I can't have speakers on stands. My 2 small children would make quick work of them, so I need bookshelfs.

Thanks for the quick response.

Will the 150s cut it for front speaker duty? Seems most people here have the 250s or 360s for fronts, but I can't have speakers on stands. My 2 small children would make quick work of them, so I need bookshelfs.


They would do fine. But you may also wan't to check out the 160/162's for fronts. A friend in your same situation (1 little boy at home who touches everything) has 4 x 160's and a C25. Sounds excellent.

Did they stop putting the screw hangers on the back of the 150's or something? My 150's have two slot-holes so you can screw two screws into the wall and hang them on the screw heads. Heck, I even have them mounted this way in a corner via some creative work with a slice of 2x4 cut at just the right angle behind the speaker - you can't even tell.
That looks pretty good there Calvin. How tall are your ceilings? I am planning on putting my 150's about 5.5' off the floor and possible my C25 would be much closer to my ceiling in between my two 150's. My ceilings are about 7.5'. The 150's are spread out further and fire towards the sweet spot whereas the C25 will fire directly towards the front of my room. Your pics do give me some ideas. Thanks for posting them.

Thats not a bad idea at all. Might have to give that a shot. Thanks for the idea!
Hey, if you do that be sure to let me as well as the rest of us know how it worked out for you. Right now Vanns does not have the PC350 in stock. When they do I am going to get one and will post some of my impressions.

Thanks for the quick response.

Will the 150s cut it for front speaker duty? Seems most people here have the 250s or 360s for fronts, but I can't have speakers on stands. My 2 small children would make quick work of them, so I need bookshelfs.
Buff, the 150's would work just fine provided you have a decent powered subwoofer. The advantage by using say the 360's is that they offer more dynamic capability at louder volumes. In other words, the 360's will play louder with less strain(distortion) at higher (reference) levels whereas the 150's would reach high levels of distortion sooner. There is nothing wrong with using the 150's as fronts inmho. Hope this helps. :) :)

Buff, the 150's would work just fine provided you have a decent powered subwoofer. The advantage by using say the 360's is that they offer more dynamic capability at louder volumes. In other words, the 360's will play louder with less strain(distortion) at higher (reference) levels whereas the 150's would reach high levels of distortion sooner. There is nothing wrong with using the 150's as fronts inmho. Hope this helps. :) :)

Thanks. I am definitely adding a good sub to the setup, I just haven't decided which one yet (although I've certainly heard plenty of good things about the BIC H100). I seriously doubt I'll be pushing these speakers to their limits often, I just want a high quality movie experience without breaking the bank.

That looks pretty good there Calvin. How tall are your ceilings? I am planning on putting my 150's about 5.5' off the floor and possible my C25 would be much closer to my ceiling in between my two 150's. My ceilings are about 7.5'. The 150's are spread out further and fire towards the sweet spot whereas the C25 will fire directly towards the front of my room. Your pics do give me some ideas. Thanks for posting them.

Where you see the speakers mounted the ceiling is about 7.5 feet (back of the room), sloping towards an 11 foot height at the front of the room. Bottom of the speaker is about 6.5 feet - aesthetics over sound for these particular locations. This room definitely presented a bunch of challenges as most family room areas do. This one actually has to encompass the kitchen eating area as well. I just put the rear speakers in the back corners and aimed them such that they are pointed at the center listening positiion, doesn't quite follow the DVD Audio suggested angles but it's got the same general idea going. I then adjusted the levels on the individual speakers to get the proper sound volume blend.

One of the cool things about my HK receiver is the ability to associate different speaker volume settings/crossover points with different formatted material, for instance a Dolby Digital setting can be totally different than a Stereo CD setting set to 5 Channel mode, and that can be totally different than the DVD Audio setting in 6 channel direct mode. It may be that most receivers have this feature but this is the first one I have had with it and it is really cool.

Where you see the speakers mounted the ceiling is about 7.5 feet (back of the room), sloping towards an 11 foot height at the front of the room. Bottom of the speaker is about 6.5 feet - aesthetics over sound for these particular locations. This room definitely presented a bunch of challenges as most family room areas do. This one actually has to encompass the kitchen eating area as well. I just put the rear speakers in the back corners and aimed them such that they are pointed at the center listening positiion, doesn't quite follow the DVD Audio suggested angles but it's got the same general idea going. I then adjusted the levels on the individual speakers to get the proper sound volume blend.

One of the cool things about my HK receiver is the ability to associate different speaker volume settings/crossover points with different formatted material, for instance a Dolby Digital setting can be totally different than a Stereo CD setting set to 5 Channel mode, and that can be totally different than the DVD Audio setting in 6 channel direct mode. It may be that most receivers have this feature but this is the first one I have had with it and it is really cool.
Yeah the HK's are nice. When I was given a Rocket speaker demo the guy had a HK 7300. Let me just say that is one heck of a receiver. Lots of power and weighs like 60 lbs. Sounds like to me you are on top of your ht. Keep up the good work.

I've slowly been building my HT. With a recent TV upgrade, my next step is to upgrade my fronts.

I'm currently using 150's as my fronts and would like to go to the towers. I have the C25 as my center (i really love it). Thinking of the 360's but with limited stock from reputable vendors its leaving me to think that my only choice might be the 250's. The towers will most likely be my last major purchase for sound for quite awhile.

So my question is should I continue to hunt for 360's or go for the 250's?

I'll push my 150's to the rear in my 7.1 setup. I bought an Onkyo HTIB (HTS780) about 18 months ago. I still use the sub and the surround speakers from this set.

I've slowly been building my HT. With a recent TV upgrade, my next step is to upgrade my fronts.

I'm currently using 150's as my fronts and would like to go to the towers. I have the C25 as my center (i really love it). Thinking of the 360's but with limited stock from reputable vendors its leaving me to think that my only choice might be the 250's. The towers will mostly like be my last major purchase for sound for quite awhile.

So my question is should I continue to hunt for 360's or go for the 250's?

I'll push my 150's to the rear in my 7.1 setup. I bought an Onkyo HTIB (HTS780) about 18 months ago. I still use the sub and the surround speakers from this set.


Check ebay..Harmon Audio is selling 1 set of 360's everyday until they run out. They give the full 5 year warranty with them as well. Good Luck

Check ebay..Harmon Audio is selling 1 set of 360's everyday until they run out. They give the full 5 year warranty with them as well. Good Luck


i'll keep an eye on them.

I've slowly been building my HT. With a recent TV upgrade, my next step is to upgrade my fronts.

I'm currently using 150's as my fronts and would like to go to the towers. I have the C25 as my center (i really love it). Thinking of the 360's but with limited stock from reputable vendors its leaving me to think that my only choice might be the 250's. The towers will most likely be my last major purchase for sound for quite awhile.

So my question is should I continue to hunt for 360's or go for the 250's?

I'll push my 150's to the rear in my 7.1 setup. I bought an Onkyo HTIB (HTS780) about 18 months ago. I still use the sub and the surround speakers from this set.

Obviously the 150s are not the end-all for fronts, but have you been pleased with them overall? What don't you like about them that is driving you to upgrade? I'm considering using them for fronts (as mentioned above, I need bookshelfs for fronts due to small children) and I love the price.

Obviously the 150s are not the end-all for fronts, but have you been pleased with them overall? What don't you like about them that is driving you to upgrade? I'm considering using them for fronts (as mentioned above, I need bookshelfs for fronts due to small children) and I love the price.

I've been very pleased with them and they were a huge upgrade from my HTIB speakers.

I'm hoping to get a more complete and driving sound with the 360's (hope that makes sense). I was at a friend's house recently helping him tweak a TV set that we both have. What i notice was that his sound system had a deeper, richer sound to it that filled up the room. I know he has floor standing Klipsch but not sure what models.

By moving my 150's to the back, it's only going to be that much better.

Got my Primus 362 bundle from Vanns' on Tuesday. What a great company! Well packed in huge double-boxes that came via FedEx but in a separate type truck and just a week to get to me with free shipping and no tax.

Unfortunately, I can't really hook them up yet as my theater room is not ready yet (I just ordered to make sure I didn't miss out on the $1000 deal). They're definitely excellent quality in the weight and finish, with two sets of removable legs for the 362's. If any one needs any pics of the speakers or questions, I'd be happy to try and help out. What I got:

Two Primus 362 floor speakers
One Primus PC350 center channel (this guy is BIG)
Two Primus 152 bookshelf speakers
One Primus PS212 subwoofer

All this for a grand! I'm a happy camper!

I've been very pleased with them and they were a huge upgrade from my HTIB speakers.

I'm hoping to get a more complete and driving sound with the 360's (hope that makes sense). I was at a friend's house recently helping him tweak a TV set that we both have. What i notice was that his sound system had a deeper, richer sound to it that filled up the room. I know he has floor standing Klipsch but not sure what models.

By moving my 150's to the back, it's only going to be that much better.
That definitely makes sense and I know the 250/360s are definitely better for front duty. Just want to make sure I'm not going to regret going with the 150s up front (and c25 center). I can always upgrade in a couple years, but I don't want to be disappointed on the front end.

Two Primus 362 floor speakers
One Primus PC350 center channel (this guy is BIG)
Two Primus 152 bookshelf speakers
One Primus PS212 subwoofer



Please post some pics of each when you unbox them, I'm sure we'd all like to see real pictures of the newer models !! :)

Just got my 2 Primus 362's, 1 Primus C250, 2 Primus 152's, and the PS212 sub....After hooking it all up and listening to a couple quick movies and playing some games, all i have to say is WOW! Amazing system....and the sub is unbelievably awesome as well! Very impressed as was everyone that has come in to listen to it. This system will defintely not disappoint you!

Please post some pics of each when you unbox them, I'm sure we'd all like to see real pictures of the newer models !! :)

Here are some pics of the Primus 362 series:

From left to right: P362, PC350 (standing up), P152
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01642.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01644.jpg

ps212 subwoofer
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01646.jpg

back of P152
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01643.jpg

back panel of PS212
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01648.jpg

That center channel is HUGE!

--Mike

Yeah, it's a big mofo!

I'm drooling over that center channel!!!

I am selling a PS-12 on ebay for 199.99. Search for it by typing in PS-12. My ebay id is papi_jj. I also take local pickups if you can. The speaker is in flawless condition with no blemishes or scratches.

I could use some help with my system. I have

250's up front
c25 for the center
140's for the rear surround
Reciever is a sony str-de875

It gives me the option to change the sp hz of each channel. I have the center at 100hz, front at 80hz, and the rears at 80hz. All speakers are set to small. I have a yamaha subwoofer, and a sony subwoofer to handle my lfe. I wanted to make sure those settings are correct.

Can someone let me know where I can find a PS212 for a good price?

Which Infinities are the better ones, Primus or Beta?

Or are they equals?

Can someone tell me how the 140s compare to the 150s. I dont have much room they will be use for the fronts with a primus center C25 and an Onkyo sub that came with the S590. I will change the sub out a little later. They will be used for movies and tv 85% of the time. I am changing out the speakers that came with the S590 it is a small room and I am only using the fronts, center and sub.

thanks for you help, Mike J

Can someone tell me how the 140s compare to the 150s. I dont have much room they will be use for the fronts with a primus center C25 and an Onkyo sub that came with the S590. I will change the sub out a little later. They will be used for movies and tv 85% of the time. I am changing out the speakers that came with the S590 it is a small room and I am only using the fronts, center and sub.

thanks for you help, Mike J

i don't have the 140's but if you can swing the 150's which i have, you won't be disappointed. I also have the c 25 and using the onkyo sub that came with my s780. Very good sound.

check out the specs to compare the two.

http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/Primus%20140,150,160%20OM%20FINAL.pdf

i don't have the 140's but if you can swing the 150's which i have, you won't be disappointed. I also have the c 25 and using the onkyo sub that came with my s780. Very good sound.

check out the specs to compare the two.

http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/Primus%20140,150,160%20OM%20FINAL.pdf


Thanks for the help, I wish the 150s where not as deep as they are . I dont mind the hight or the width. Does any one know if the 150s and the 152s sound the same.

Mike J

Thanks for the help, I wish the 150s where not as deep as they are . I dont mind the hight or the width. Does any one know if the 150s and the 152s sound the same.

Mike J

From a spec wise, they are nearly identical with the 152's being a 1/4" taller but the width and depth are the same


http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/Primus%20140,150,160%20OM%20FINAL.pdf


http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/INFP1859PrimusII-om-LowRes.pdf

Can someone let me know where I can find a PS212 for a good price?


Look two posts above yours #643. The 212 has more power than the ps12 that's really it. Depending on the size of the room the extra 100w may not really matter and you can get a 12. There may still be a few on ebay.

What's your budget like? The BIC-h100 and the JBL Venue 12" both go for about 250 shipped. That's less than Infinity and as good if not better depending on your personal preference.

--Mike

Which Infinities are the better ones, Primus or Beta?

Or are they equals?

The Beta series are superior to the Primus. The Primus are considered Infinity's "budget" line of speakers.

http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/category.aspx?catId=BFS

The Beta series are superior to the Primus. The Primus are considered Infinity's "budget" line of speakers.

http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/category.aspx?catId=BFS


Thanks luna5.

Thanks luna5.

Your welcome...
I've had 2 Beta 50's front left and right,and a c360 center with 2 - c250's ( used as rear back surrounds) for a year and they all sound really great. Extremely smooth frequency response, very well made ( the 50's weigh in around 60lbs each) and the metal grills are just what our cat didn't want to see!
I bought them from:

http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/

I can't say enough about their customer service. Shipped the same day I ordered and arrived 2 days later with standard shipping, ( I'm only about 200 miles from their store).

Your welcome...
I've had 2 Beta 50's front left and right,and a c360 center with 2 - c250's ( used as rear back surrounds) for a year and they all sound really great. Extremely smooth frequency response, very well made ( the 50's weigh in around 60lbs each) and the metal grills are just what our cat didn't want to see!


Since I have Focal JM-Lab Cobalt 816S's & CC800S, how will the Primus sound compared to them?

Are Infinity Primus know to be a nuetral, bright, or warm speaker?

I've slowly been building my HT. With a recent TV upgrade, my next step is to upgrade my fronts.

I'm currently using 150's as my fronts and would like to go to the towers. I have the C25 as my center (i really love it). Thinking of the 360's but with limited stock from reputable vendors its leaving me to think that my only choice might be the 250's. The towers will most likely be my last major purchase for sound for quite awhile.

So my question is should I continue to hunt for 360's or go for the 250's?

I'll push my 150's to the rear in my 7.1 setup. I bought an Onkyo HTIB (HTS780) about 18 months ago. I still use the sub and the surround speakers from this set.

I'd like to hear from those previously had 250's and upgraded to the 360's and how would you compare one over the other. Trying to get a perspective for them since CC or BB don't carry the new line.

Like to know specifically if the mid-frequency driver made a big difference in a home theater environment.

Label me a NOOOBIE, but I know good sound when I hear it....unfortunately I will most likely be unable to audition any of my choices. After extensive research (mostly this forum) I've narrowed some of my choices, but need your expert advice. I'm thinking of the Primus 140's for surrounds & rears, would use the larger 150's or 160's, but I need to wall mount them and like the smaller package of the 140's. ??? will the 140's do a good job??? What will I sacrifice by using them as opposed to 150 or 60's? Just about settled on 250's for up front....like the reviews on 360's, but $$$$$. Am thinking Bic H-100 and plan to power it all with a new TX-SP674 Onkyo....saw it on J&R's website a couple days ago for just over $500. Am I going over kill with this receiver or would I be just as well off with the 604?? My thinking was the HDMI of the 674 might be worth the extra $. Would like expert opinions on how all this will match up......probably 50/50 Music, Movies....room size 12 X 24. I really enjoy the site!!!!! Kudos to you all!!!!

The Beta series are superior to the Primus. The Primus are considered Infinity's "budget" line of speakers.

http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/category.aspx?catId=BFS
Hey Luna no offense, BUT personally I did not care for the Betas. I preferred the sound of the Primus myself. It is true the Betas are more expensive BUT that does not always mean "Superior" or even better to say the least. I may be the only person who prefers the Primus but if that is the case then I can live with it. Am much more interested in getting what "I" prefer than what "most others" are getting. Just thought I would point that out. No pun intended. :) :)

Just got my 360's in today to replace the 250's I was using as fronts. I was quite suprised at the difference in mid-range...very noticeable. Not too mention, the bass the 360's produce is not so much deep as it is quick and hard hitting, which is what I felt I was lacking with the 250's. U-571 was fantastic!! :)

Set up includes:

2- 360's
2-150's
1-C25 (soon to be PC350)
:D :D BIC H-100 SUB :D :D

My setup is ditto as yours. Run them with Yamaha RXV659

Looking for some surround sound recommendations. I recently purchased the 360/c25 front stage setup and have been overjoyed with it! Well... It's a new month and time to upgrade the surrounds. Originally what I had been thinking for surrounds was, two 160's for the sides and 2 150's for the back. I've been looking and it seems to be getting harder and harder to find 160's... at least at a good price, (for me anyway). I've been seeing the 160's for around $80-90 per speaker. Not bad, but all the places selling at that price also want at least $30-40 shipping. Still not out of my price range, though I hate wasting that much money on shipping... which draws my eye to the 250's for about $10-20 more per speaker at crutchfield ($3 shipping :D ) I could get a pair of these to use as side surrounds.

So how good are the 250's as surrounds? Overkill? My room size is 13' x 15' x 8'

I've read that having the surrounds 2'-3' above ear level is optimal. since the 250's are floor standing, how would this effect them, would I have to place them on a stand for best results? My current speakers are wall mounted at about 60", I think. I'd have to check.
As far as the price breakdown goes, I could get:

2 x 160's
2 x 150's = $286.98(shipped)

or

2 x 250's
2 x 150's = $323.46(shipped)

or should I quit over thinking this and just get

4 x 150's = $218.96(shipped)

I don't mind paying an extra $100 as long as I get $100 worth of improvement. (In truth I'd like some di/bi-poles, but just one of those is way out of my price range ;) )

I'll be using an onkyo 804 to drive everything and I like to listen fairly loud. Will the 250's be worth the extra $ just to use as surrounds. I know there are people who use them as such, but it seems as though most do so because they were using them as fronts and moved them back when they got something better.

Anyway, that's where I'm at right now. :D

Thoughts/Suggestions?

Label me a NOOOBIE, but I know good sound when I hear it....unfortunately I will most likely be unable to audition any of my choices. After extensive research (mostly this forum) I've narrowed some of my choices, but need your expert advice. I'm thinking of the Primus 140's for surrounds & rears, would use the larger 150's or 160's, but I need to wall mount them and like the smaller package of the 140's. ??? will the 140's do a good job??? What will I sacrifice by using them as opposed to 150 or 60's? Just about settled on 250's for up front....like the reviews on 360's, but $$$$$. Am thinking Bic H-100 and plan to power it all with a new TX-SP674 Onkyo....saw it on J&R's website a couple days ago for just over $500. Am I going over kill with this receiver or would I be just as well off with the 604?? My thinking was the HDMI of the 674 might be worth the extra $. Would like expert opinions on how all this will match up......probably 50/50 Music, Movies....room size 12 X 24. I really enjoy the site!!!!! Kudos to you all!!!!


I have the 604 and there are 3 differences between it and the 674.

1--Upconvert to HDMI
2--5 xtra watts of power
3--DSP to help add missing mid and highs to MP3s--It's on the 604 but only front left and right. On the 674 it's all channels

I don't play a lot of MP3s on my set...my daughter does and she's thrilled. 5 watts is negligible. The major difference is the upconvert. I don't believe upconvert is all that great. If you've got a lot of legacy equip...VCR or SVHS along with a DVD then maybe. The big advantage is if you have an HDMI on your Display, you can (theoretically) use one wire going to the display and eliminate changing modes on your display.

The 604 has HDMI--Audio and Video--other so-called HDMI capable receivers in this price range 3-4 hundred don't do both.

If you NEED upconvert get the 674 if not the 604 is great.

I have the 360s and they have more base than the 250s but are just about gone online for the discouted prices but you may be able to find them. If yo can find them for less that 400 a pair shipped get them if you can afford it you won't be dissapointed

I'd get the 150s instead of the 140s and they are still availiable for about 140 a pair online. The 160s have more base but are big and not really bookshelfs from what i've read.

Another option is to get the 160s as fronts instead of the 250s since they have a bigger driver but I really have no experience with them. i have used 4 150s and a sub and was pleased in my 12x14x11 space.

hope this helps

--Mike

Since I have Focal JM-Lab Cobalt 816S's & CC800S, how will the Primus sound compared to them?

Are Infinity Primus know to be a nuetral, bright, or warm speaker?


anyone have an opinion on this?

Hey Luna no offense, BUT personally I did not care for the Betas. I preferred the sound of the Primus myself. It is true the Betas are more expensive BUT that does not always mean "Superior" or even better to say the least. I may be the only person who prefers the Primus but if that is the case then I can live with it. Am much more interested in getting what "I" prefer than what "most others" are getting. Just thought I would point that out. No pun intended. :) :)

No offense taken. Listening to speakers is a very personal experience...I sold "HiFi" gear for 15 years back in the 70's and early 80's and know that our hearing can differ greatly from person to person and room to room. Back in the 70's Infinity was known for their really good high end systems and their standard series of speakers were just ok and I never imagined owning them. When I listened to the Beta's a year ago and compared them to lots of other speakers including the Primus line that was out then, there was no doubt which I preferred. Anyone contemplating speakers needs to hear them and compare them to others that are available. To purchase a speaker because someone or some company or a review says they are better is risky at best. Every room is different and the final analysis has to be made in your listening room with your associated equipment with the music you listen to. Each to his own! Enjoy your system.

Mike,
Thanks for all the great info.... I've checked online and you are right, the 360's are just about all gone. I did find the 362's at $400.00 (per pair) shipped....thought that sounded good. What's your opinion on them versus the 360's.
Thanks,
James

Mike,
Thanks for all the great info.... I've checked online and you are right, the 360's are just about all gone. I did find the 362's at $400.00 (per pair) shipped....thought that sounded good. What's your opinion on them versus the 360's.
Thanks,
James

Nice price on the 362s. From what I understand, the differences between the 360s and 362s are mainly cosmetic.

I've had my 360s (fronts), C25 and PS10 for about a month now. I am VERY happy with this set-up. I'm still debating whether to pull the trigger on some 150s for the surround...

Mike,
Thanks for all the great info.... I've checked online and you are right, the 360's are just about all gone. I did find the 362's at $400.00 (per pair) shipped....thought that sounded good. What's your opinion on them versus the 360's.
Thanks,
James

Wow. 362s at 400/pair is pretty amazing. I paid 300/pr or 360s at close out so your find darn good...buy if you can. Not to throw water on the fire but just be sure its for a PAIR...I almost made that mistake with 150s but backed out b4 the purchase.

The 362 are cosmetically different. I've got the 150s and a pair of 152s and they sound the same.

--Mike

I haven't been successful in acquiring some 360's and from an appearance standpoint (silver grill), the new 362's will NOT pass the WAF.

So......what's are my alternatives for fronts? I have the C25 and 150's and really do like them and i don't want to get rid of them. I'll push my 150's to the rear for surrounds.

I posted a few days ago on what the 250's sound compare to the 360's. I really wanted to go with the 360's cause of the mid-range driver but no one has responded (boo hoo me!) to me if the mid-range driver in the 360's make them sound that much better then the 250's. Anyone?

I also thought about dropping down and just getting a pair 160's if they sound equal or close to the 250's. This would help the WAF cause they can go in the same place as the 150's (currently using them as fronts). can anyone compare these two?

Am am about to upgrade my setup and would like some opinions before I buy as there is no place within 600miles for me to audition either set. Currently I have a hodgepodge of equipment consisting of A Sony receiver 100w x 6(eventually will replace with a yammy 1600) a pair of Primus 150's in the front and some left over HTIB speakers (wide range single driver garbage) making up the center, RR RC RL channels, my LFE is handled with a 100w MTX sub. Yup I know it's pathetic, which brings me to my upgrade...

I can either get a pair of 250's for the fronts, a PC 350 center, another 150 (moving the 150's into work as the RR RC RL surrounds

OR

Get a Pair of Beta 40's and a C25 center and move my existing 150's to the rear (keeping the RC I have now till i can afford another upgrade)

My room is 13' x 18' x 9' and my usage is 80/20 movies / music. For music I like NIN and classical (yea I know odd mix). So what do you all think? Which would do me best for SQ not sheer loudness?

Thanks in advance,
-Phil

4 x 150's = $218.96(shipped)

Thoughts/Suggestions?


Just my opinion..but for what you want to use them for, 4-150's is all you need to go with the rest of your setup.

I haven't been successful in acquiring some 360's and from an appearance standpoint (silver grill), the new 362's will NOT pass the WAF.

So......what's are my alternatives for fronts? I have the C25 and 150's and really do like them and i don't want to get rid of them. I'll push my 150's to the rear for surrounds.

I posted a few days ago on what the 250's sound compare to the 360's. I really wanted to go with the 360's cause of the mid-range driver but no one has responded (boo hoo me!) to me if the mid-range driver in the 360's make them sound that much better then the 250's. Anyone?

I also thought about dropping down and just getting a pair 160's if they sound equal or close to the 250's. This would help the WAF cause they can go in the same place as the 150's (currently using them as fronts). can anyone compare these two?


I'm sure someone has compared the 250s to the 360s in this thread. As I understand it the mids are about equal for 250 and 360--it's the lower frequencies that the 360 give you more of. I like the 360s and can't imagine I would prefer the 250s but if you add a good sub you won't have a problem. The good thing about the 360s is you can run them w/o a sub and still get good base.

--Mike

Just ordered...

Onkyo 504
Primus 150 x2
Primus C25

I've got a sub I'll be using, and for the surrounds (for now) some leftover trash from a Panny HTiB... They'll be adding the audio to my Panny 42" 9uk that's en route :-D...

I'll have to post some pics when I get everything.

BTW, it's going in a bedroom (10x12), so I didn't want/need massive floorspeakers. I can get those later, and push the 150s to surrounds when I do.

Thanks guys for the expert opinions!!!! Guess I'll get the piggy bank down and see if I can swing the 362's
James

Hello all!

I have 3 160's and a PS10 sub. I'm using a 160 for my center channel. Would the C25 really make any difference?

I'm sure someone has compared the 250s to the 360s in this thread. As I understand it the mids are about equal for 250 and 360--it's the lower frequencies that the 360 give you more of. I like the 360s and can't imagine I would prefer the 250s but if you add a good sub you won't have a problem. The good thing about the 360s is you can run them w/o a sub and still get good base.

--Mike

maybe i need to research further. What's separates the 360's from the 250's, other the speaker size and frequency is the 250 has no mids.


edit: after re-reading your reply, i figured out you were talking about the mid frequency range of the sound and not the physical speaker. my bad. :)

Well, I guess I had my mind made up for me...

While I was going back and forth and weighing my different options, crutchfield sold out of 150's. I'm not going to do 140's and I'm not going to pay nearly double for a 152 if the only difference is cosmetic (I like the look of the 150 better anyway, plus it matches the rest of my speakers). So it looks like I'll be getting a pair of 250's for side surrounds. I'm not overly broken up about it though. I do like the floor standers and Having 4 in my theater doesn't really bother me.

I would have gone else where for 150's but places that still had them in stock wanted an arm and a leg for shipping. I was going to try to find a single pair for the backs, but, as it turns out, I can get a better price on the 160's now, around $160 shipped vs $180 for the 150's. At least thats the best price I could find, next to crutchfield. Truthfully, I'm not sure If I want to deal with any other companies anyway, if I don't have to.

About 10 minutes before I found out the 150's were gone I'd called crutchfield tech support reqarding the c 25. I think there's a short in it somewhere since it causes my recvr to kick off at higher volumes on louder scenes. after extensive trial and error (including trying an old center channel I had laying around) I'm 99.9% sure it's the center causing the problem. Anyway, I described the problem to the operator, and he came up with the plan that they were going to send me another c25 to try. He also gave me an RMA for the original c25 and told me that the UPS return paperwork and sticker would be included with the new c25. If the new one doesn't have the same problem, return the old one and problem solved. If it doesn't fix it, we'll go from there. all in all A+++ service and the total call time from number dial to resolution was 5 minutes. What really blows me away is the fact that I get customer service like that, good prices on purchases and unbelievably fast shipping for pennies. In the last month I've placed 3 orders with them and am in the process of being sent and returning one speaker. So far I've paid a total of $9 in shipping and $0 Salestax! Even if I could buy these locally the Salestax on just one speaker would probably be more than $9!!!

Sorry for the long winded post, I'm just still kind of in awe! :D

Ok, There is no one in our area that sells Infinity speakers. I got my new Crutchfield today and noticed the prices on the 250 and 360 is great with no shipping. Say I get a pair of 360s for my front, a C25 for the center, maybe the 150s for surrounds and then pick up a good sub. I would be looking at around 800.00 - 900.00. Just how good does this sound. Honestly, I have only heard the Bose Acus. 10 in action and I liked what I heard. Would this Infinity set absolutely blow the Bose away? Is it worth taking a chance on buying something I have never heard? The price is so good right now. Help

I believe the 360 is out of stock at crutchfield, thats why I am having a hard time figuring out my system

I believe the 360 is out of stock at crutchfield, thats why I am having a hard time figuring out my system

Check this site out for 360's.

http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/HomeSpeakers.html

Says not order able :( but nice price on the beta 360 too bad it's refurbished

Hello all!

I have 3 160's and a PS10 sub. I'm using a 160 for my center channel. Would the C25 really make any difference?
Actually, if you can keep the single 160 upright in your set-up the C25 would NOT be as good. That is, the 160's have a 6.5" mid driver and as such all your speakers would not only be voice matched, but contain the exact same size of drivers. The C25 uses (2) 5.5" mids-therefore you are fine w/a single 160. If, on the other hand, you have the 160 mounted sideways then imho the C25 may offer a slight improvement depending on your listening environment.

No offense taken. Listening to speakers is a very personal experience...I sold "HiFi" gear for 15 years back in the 70's and early 80's and know that our hearing can differ greatly from person to person and room to room. Back in the 70's Infinity was known for their really good high end systems and their standard series of speakers were just ok and I never imagined owning them. When I listened to the Beta's a year ago and compared them to lots of other speakers including the Primus line that was out then, there was no doubt which I preferred. Anyone contemplating speakers needs to hear them and compare them to others that are available. To purchase a speaker because someone or some company or a review says they are better is risky at best. Every room is different and the final analysis has to be made in your listening room with your associated equipment with the music you listen to. Each to his own! Enjoy your system.
Very well spoken there Luna. Did want to mention that there was no doubt that the Betas were "better sounding" per se BUT not significantly better. The thing I noticed the most about the Betas is that the midrange was so amazing and accurate BUT the top end was a bit too laid back for my taste as I prefer a bit more agressive sound. As you eluded to in your post speaker preference is purely subjective and thank God it is. Otherwise, we all would own the same exact set-up and just think how boring that would be. :eek: :eek: Maybe just the value from what I get from the Primus is what is winning me over--who knows????? When I ordered the Primus speakers I really was looking to get some Axiom speakers. However, money was and still is :D :D tight so I took my chance w/the Primus and am so glad I did. :) :)

Mike,
I just took the plunge and bought the 674.....found it at a price that I just couldn't pass up.....$499.00 + $17.00 shipping & no tax. Anyway, bought it together with the Onkyo 704 upconverting 6 disc DVD player.....just one quick question and remember this will qualify as my first HTS... My 50" Plasma has HDMI, the 674 has HDMI and the 704 has HDMI, I'm thinking all I need to get all this up and running will be 2 HDMI cables and of course speaker wire & speakers. Is that correct?
Thanks in advance,
James

Mike,
I just took the plunge and bought the 674.....found it at a price that I just couldn't pass up.....$499.00 + $17.00 shipping & no tax. Anyway, bought it together with the Onkyo 704 upconverting 6 disc DVD player.....just one quick question and remember this will qualify as my first HTS... My 50" Plasma has HDMI, the 674 has HDMI and the 704 has HDMI, I'm thinking all I need to get all this up and running will be 2 HDMI cables and of course speaker wire & speakers. Is that correct?
Thanks in advance,
James

That's correct. HDMI from the 704 to the 674 then HDMI from the 674 to the TV.

Ok, There is no one in our area that sells Infinity speakers. I got my new Crutchfield today and noticed the prices on the 250 and 360 is great with no shipping. Say I get a pair of 360s for my front, a C25 for the center, maybe the 150s for surrounds and then pick up a good sub. I would be looking at around 800.00 - 900.00. Just how good does this sound. Honestly, I have only heard the Bose Acus. 10 in action and I liked what I heard. Would this Infinity set absolutely blow the Bose away? Is it worth taking a chance on buying something I have never heard? The price is so good right now. Help

I have a similar set-up: 360s up front, C25 and PS10 sub. No surrounds...yet. IMO, this set-up sounds fantastic. My cross-over is set to 80 and I get really nice bass and LFEs. Dialog is crystal clear and music sounds great - even in stereo. For the money, I can't think of a better set-up.

I just bought the C25, 2 150s, and 2 250s, and I was wondering what you guys used to hook them up to your amp. I've bought banana plugs for the amp, good quality speaker wires (not sure about the mm2) but now I'm thinking about how to attach the wires to the speakers.

Has anyone used special plugs or just strip the wire, insert them into the back connectors and then turn until they are tightened?

Any pictures are welcome and might help explaining.

thanks in advance,

Stefan

I used stripped wire for a few weeks on both the receiver and speakers. It worked fine I've since switched to bananna plugs for convienence sake still working fine for me.

I used stripped wire for a few weeks on both the receiver and speakers. It worked fine I've since switched to bananna plugs for convienence sake still working fine for me.

I use plugs for the reciever and stripped wire for the speakers.

P.S. don't forget to label your wires going each speaker. Makes it sooooo much easier and quicker to find the right pair.

I use plugs for the reciever and stripped wire for the speakers.

P.S. don't forget to label your wires going each speaker. Makes it sooooo much easier and quicker to find the right pair.

Ditto that. I don't see any reason to get B-plugs for the speakers themselves, unless you plan to be quickly swapping speakers in and out on a regular basis. The screw downs on the speakers themselves are very easy to access and hold very securely. B-plugs on the recvr end is a whole different story. We all now how fun they are to hook up with barewire... B-plugs here make it a snap and yes, Labeling the wires... Highly recommended! ;)

Does anyone know of a place to order Primus 150's or 160's anymore? I fell in love with these too late and all the closeout sales at the convinient merchants are gone :( Everyone has the 152 and 162 speakers now, and they start at $99.99 a piece. I can't afford that.

Does anyone know of a place to order Primus 150's or 160's anymore? I fell in love with these too late and all the closeout sales at the convinient merchants are gone :( Everyone has the 152 and 162 speakers now, and they start at $99.99 a piece. I can't afford that.

here are a few that i know of.

audiovideosource.com

Harman Audio store on Ebay,

vanns.com

here are a few that i know of.

audiovideosource.com

Harman Audio store on Ebay,

vanns.com

Vann's appears to no longer have 150s and 160s - only 152s and 162s.

Audio Video Source only has 160s now.

Damn, I think I better pull the trigger on those 160s. I wanted 150s but also can't find them anywhere. I need some surrounds that match my 360s and C25. Only thing left is the 160s...

Vann's appears to no longer have 150s and 160s - only 152s and 162s.

Audio Video Source only has 160s now.

Damn, I think I better pull the trigger on those 160s. I wanted 150s but also can't find them anywhere. I need some surrounds that match my 360s and C25. Only thing left is the 160s...

The audiovideosource also has a ebay store that is cheaper then their home website.

Neither of the EBay stores (AV Source, Harman Audio) have Primus 150's (for a reasonable price anyway). They have some new Primus 150's on there, but the shipping is so ridiculous that it ends up being the same price as 152's when it is all said and done. Vanns, Crutchfield, *******, nobody has them. This really sucks :(

Neither of the EBay stores (AV Source, Harman Audio) have Primus 150's (for a reasonable price anyway). They have some new Primus 150's on there, but the shipping is so ridiculous that it ends up being the same price as 152's when it is all said and done. Vanns, Crutchfield, *******, nobody has them. This really sucks :(

what about 160's?

Neither of the EBay stores (AV Source, Harman Audio) have Primus 150's (for a reasonable price anyway). They have some new Primus 150's on there, but the shipping is so ridiculous that it ends up being the same price as 152's when it is all said and done. Vanns, Crutchfield, *******, nobody has them. This really sucks :(


Tell me about it. I was just going to get 4 150's for surrounds, but after crutchfield sold out of them It was just as cost effective to get some 250's and some 160's compared to the current price on the 152's.

I pulled the trigger on the 160's from the audiovideosource ebay store. I just checked and they have 8 pairs of 160's left for $166.90 shipped. (http://cgi.*********/INFINITY-PRIMUS-160-NEW-BLACK-PR-127-90-BOOKSHELF_W0QQitemZ130085876818QQcategoryZ94905QQssPageNameZ WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) Best I could find on 150's was like $180 from sites that made me... nervous. Thanks anyway, I'll just take the better speaker for the better price. :D

I'd grab some 160's and run while I still could! good luck! ;)

Tell me about it. I was just going to get 4 150's for surrounds, but after crutchfield sold out of them It was just as cost effective to get some 250's and some 160's compared to the current price on the 152's.

I pulled the trigger on the 160's from the audiovideosource ebay store. I just checked and they have 8 pairs of 160's left for $166.90 shipped. (http://cgi.*********/INFINITY-PRIMUS-160-NEW-BLACK-PR-127-90-BOOKSHELF_W0QQitemZ130085876818QQcategoryZ94905QQssPageNameZ WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) Best I could find on 150's was like $180 from sites that made me... nervous. Thanks anyway, I'll just take the better speaker for the better price. :D

I'd grab some 160's and run while I still could! good luck! ;)

I grabbed a pair of 160s from there as well. Can't use them now but I also don't want to wait and then not be able to get 140s, 150s or 160s to match my 360s and C25.

(For anyone who might noticed my earlier posts, I swapped my P142's for P152's.)

Trying to mount P152's with the OmniMount 30.0 CA, but the crossover network board is perfectly in the way. Does anybody have experience with relocating the crossover network? I could move it down and rotate it. Or I could move it to the side where the port is. There is no insulation there. Another option would be to carefully drill through the circuit board where there are no components. It's not that tightly packed.

Would any of these be a good idea? Would the acoustic quality change? I'm not too worried about warranty or resale or anything like that. If anybody with professional speaker engineering experience--like plhart--wants to weigh in, that would be very helpful to me and probably others who might run across this thread.

If this type of mod is a bad idea, any suggestions for ceiling mounts for the P152's? I like the quality and cable routing of the 30.0 CA's.

Thanks.

I haven't been successful in acquiring some 360's and from an appearance standpoint (silver grill), the new 362's will NOT pass the WAF.


Maybe you could rig a different grill, or maybe the old grill (which you might find around the Web or maybe you can order parts from Infinity) would fit.

Just an idea.

Maybe you could rig a different grill, or maybe the old grill (which you might find around the Web or maybe you can order parts from Infinity) would fit.

Just an idea.

Maybe spray paint the grill.

Finiscient-

You should experience no adverse performance remounting the crossover to another location within the cabinet. Just make sure that none of the wires can flap around inside the cabinet and make noise. If the crossover is close to the port it is perfectly OK to tie-wrap or even hot melt the wires to the port's outer perimeter to keep the wires from slapping.

It is also important to re-tighten the woofer, tweeter and terminal cup screws very carefully when reassembling the cabinet. Chinese MDF tends to be quite brittle and over exuberance when re-tightening can strip the original threads. If this happens, simply glue a wood toothpick into the stripped screw hole using wood glue and let dry. Now you'll be able to cut new, tight threads.

Lastly, when re-mounting the drivers and terminal cup make sure that the flimsy gaskets (supplied) ard flushed all aroung the speaker frame's perimeter so you're getting a good, tight seal.

what about 160's?

A pair of Athena AS-B2.2's can be had for less the the price of the 160's. The thing that was so appealing about the 150's was they were ending up being ~$130 shipped for a pair.

Maybe spray paint the grill.


If done carefully this can work very well and look good also. If you go this route, make sure you use a good primer and spray paint.

Finiscient-

You should experience no adverse performance remounting the crossover to another location within the cabinet. Just make sure that none of the wires can flap around inside the cabinet and make noise. If the crossover is close to the port it is perfectly OK to tie-wrap or even hot melt the wires to the port's outer perimeter to keep the wires from slapping.

It is also important to re-tighten the woofer, tweeter and terminal cup screws very carefully when reassembling the cabinet. Chinese MDF tends to be quite brittle and over exuberance when re-tightening can strip the original threads. If this happens, simply glue a wood toothpick into the stripped screw hole using wood glue and let dry. Now you'll be able to cut new, tight threads.

Lastly, when re-mounting the drivers and terminal cup make sure that the flimsy gaskets (supplied) ard flushed all aroung the speaker frame's perimeter so you're getting a good, tight seal.


Thats great info..and an excellent idea using the the toothpick!

Finiscient-

You should experience no adverse performance remounting the crossover to another location within the cabinet. ...Yes! Great info! Thanks. I'm going for it.

Yes! Great info! Thanks. I'm going for it.

What are you going to go for?

A pair of Athena AS-B2.2's can be had for less the the price of the 160's. The thing that was so appealing about the 150's was they were ending up being ~$130 shipped for a pair.

That's what's appealing about the 160s now - $165 shipped for the pair.

Just took a couple of quick shots of what my set up looks like for now. I'm having built in shelves put in above the TV so I can get all the components off the ground, and cleanup the wires. I'd like to see how everyone else has their components arranged. :)

Hi I have a primus c25 speaker and just asking if anybody put an LCD on top of it. Would you think it can handle the weight of 34.7 lbs (32" westinghouse) on top.Thanks.
Try to put it the LCD TV and it seems okey.Heres the pic.
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5880/htpcnf3.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htpcnf3.jpg)

My HT setup consists of the infinity primus line. The 360,c25,160 and 2 PS212 subwoofers. My question is I want to replace my surrounds with the Beta ES250. Would these speakers work with the primus line as far as the same tonal or voice matched?

My HT setup consists of the infinity primus line. The 360,c25,160 and 2 PS212 subwoofers. My question is I want to replace my surrounds with the Beta ES250. Would these speakers work with the primus line as far as the same tonal or voice matched?

I think that for surrounds the Betas would work fine. The important thing in HT is for the left front and right front mains to be voice-matched with the center channel speaker.

That's what's appealing about the 160s now - $165 shipped for the pair.

Just received my 160s today. Damn! These are a lot bigger than I thought they would be. Can't even wall mount them. I guess I need to keep an eye out for stands (they are for my surrounds).

On that note, anyone have (or known of) stands that will a) fit these and b) look nice?

OK guys, I just pulled the trigger on the P362 bundle from Vann's. Mostly what I need now is for someone to tell me I did the right thing....my decision was based Totally on opinions from this forum! :) Anyway, I am a newbie and have been getting by with bose sat. speakers , bose sub and Sony receiver for a couple years...Just wondering how much of an improvement I can expect. As you all know the 362 bundle consists of 2 X P362's , 2 X 152's, PC350 center and PS212 sub.....I really wanted to get the Bic H-100 because of it's reviews, but for the price of this bundle, I couldn't pass it up. How will the PS212 compare to the H-100.....keep in mind that I have never had the chance to audition either sub or any of the included speakers. Every thing will be powered by an Onkyo 674 .
Please tell me I won't be disappointed.
Thanks to you All
James

OK guys, I just pulled the trigger on the P362 bundle from Vann's. Mostly what I need now is for someone to tell me I did the right thing....my decision was based Totally on opinions from this forum! :) Anyway, I am a newbie and have been getting by with bose sat. speakers , bose sub and Sony receiver for a couple years...Just wondering how much of an improvement I can expect. As you all know the 362 bundle consists of 2 X P362's , 2 X 152's, PC350 center and PS212 sub.....I really wanted to get the Bic H-100 because of it's reviews, but for the price of this bundle, I couldn't pass it up. How will the PS212 compare to the H-100.....keep in mind that I have never had the chance to audition either sub or any of the included speakers. Every thing will be powered by an Onkyo 674 .
Please tell me I won't be disappointed.
Thanks to you All
James

You won't be disappointed. I can tell you those speakers will definitely sound better than the Bose. I have the 360s, C25 and PS10 and the sound is fantastic for my room.I can't even turn the sub all the way up...

I have two PS212 with my infinity speakers and let me tell you. You will not be disappointed with this subwoofer. This sub produces 400 watt RMS and 700 peak. How can you compare that to the BIC-100 which is 150 RMS and 500 peak. The PS-212 is a great sounding sub and is definitely worth the money. Enjoy and let us know what you think.

Thanks for the reassurance! One quick question concerning hooking all this up when it arrives... My Plasma TV has HDMI connections....the Onkyo 674 has HDMI connections....the speaker wires are already run (rough-in), I also will be connecting an Onkyo CP704 up concerting DVD with HDMI connection....what kind of cableling will I need to have in-hand to be able to get this all up and running?
Thanks,
James

Thanks for the reassurance! One quick question concerning hooking all this up when it arrives... My Plasma TV has HDMI connections....the Onkyo 674 has HDMI connections....the speaker wires are already run (rough-in), I also will be connecting an Onkyo CP704 up concerting DVD with HDMI connection....what kind of cableling will I need to have in-hand to be able to get this all up and running?
Thanks,
James

You need two HDMI cables, one going from the DVD to receiver and the other from receiver to TV. You need a subwoofer cable if you don't have one. You need some kind of cable (component, HDMI, S-Video, etc.) to go from your cable/satellite box to the receiver. If not HDMI, you also need an optical cable or something else to get sound from the cable to receiver. That should be it unless you are leaving some components out.

Thanks for all the info..... I do not have a cable box or sat. receiver....my cable just plugs directly into the back of our plasma. What to do in that situation?
James

Thanks for all the info..... I do not have a cable box or sat. receiver....my cable just plugs directly into the back of our plasma. What to do in that situation?
James

If your TV has an optical out port, run an optical cable from the TV to the receiver so the sound goes to your speakers, not from the TV.

Very well spoken there Luna. Did want to mention that there was no doubt that the Betas were "better sounding" per se BUT not significantly better. The thing I noticed the most about the Betas is that the midrange was so amazing and accurate BUT the top end was a bit too laid back for my taste as I prefer a bit more agressive sound. As you eluded to in your post speaker preference is purely subjective and thank God it is. Otherwise, we all would own the same exact set-up and just think how boring that would be. :eek: :eek: Maybe just the value from what I get from the Primus is what is winning me over--who knows????? When I ordered the Primus speakers I really was looking to get some Axiom speakers. However, money was and still is :D :D tight so I took my chance w/the Primus and am so glad I did. :) :)

I compared the Betas to the Primus and my take was that the Beta was too harsh sounding to my ears.

Ok, So I've finally got my Primus system fully setup.

360 fronts
c25 center
250 sides
160 surrounds (these are indeed big arse speakers!) :D

This setup...


ROCKS!!!

So much so that I've been researching amps for increased headroom, so I can really crank these puppies up!

I managed to find some good ways to wall mount the 160's for about $2.50. A couple of nice little interlocking picture frame holders screwed into the back of the cabinets and hung on a screw in the wall. Works perfect.

I also wanted to get the 250's elevated somewhat, (for a bit better surround imaging) so I improvised and came up with a pair of 29" stands for about $25. Well, actually they were solid wood bar stools on sale at a local retailer, but a little black spray paint and they ought to match perfectly. For safety I cinched em down nice and tight to the stools with some ratcheting straps and they are surprisingly
stable.

After getting it all positioned and running through a quick auto setup, I popped in the movie "Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny". I know... Not the best movie ever, but you got to give credit for one hell of a good audio track. A DTS 6.1 discreet track filled with some rockin songs and fully utilizing all channels! A great test DVD if you ask me. I'm going to try some more movies tonight, I ran NIN: Beside you in time Concert last night. Another great Surround sound DVD.

Anyway, If you got the room for 250's as surrounds, and can still find some, I would highly recommend. I thinking this is a setup I probably won't have to touch for quite a few years.

:D

I compared the Betas to the Primus and my take was that the Beta was too harsh sounding to my ears.
Hi Calvin. I found the Betas to offer a bit more resolution over-all and the midrange to be so realistic that it sounded too good if you know what I mean. You know to the point that something did NOT sound right. The top end was way too laid back for my tastes as I prefer a bit more up-front sound. In other words, the Betas are faintly better sounding (much less cabinet resonances) over-all BUT am more than happy w/my Primus. Good to see others here prefer the Primus over the Betas as well. :) :)

Does anyone know if the new PC350 timbre would match a pair of 150's i currently have.

Can any new PC 350 owners compare the speaker to the C25. I'm curious as to sound quality the mid's add over all.

Does anyone know if the new PC350 timbre would match a pair of 150's i currently have.

Can any new PC 350 owners compare the speaker to the C25. I'm curious as to sound quality the mid's add over all.
I sent you a pm and answered your question. Hope that helps you out. From my own understanding the PC350 is fully timbre matched to your 150's or any other Primus speaker(s). Hence, the changes were mainly cosmetic as well as a few minor changes in the design of the X-overs. In other words, the 150's and the PC350 would be fully voice matched. :) :)

What are you going to go for?

Modding my speakers, as I was asking about.

What is the SPL (sound pressure level) response with respect to
frequency of the Primus speakers supposed to be, specifically, the
frequency sweeps on the Avia DVD?

I was just doing a quick sanity check today to make sure my new
speakers are not haywire before my return period runs out. I was
using the digital RS (Radio Shack) meter (with mode C and slow
response). None of the speakers seemed especially stable through the
sweep. The SPL would vary by 5 to 10 dB locally, and more over the
whole sweep down to about 45 Hz. Maybe that is normal. (Obviously,
the SPL drops off <= 40 Hz). But the SPL on one of my P362's dropped
dramatically at 100 HZ, and then rose back up before dopping off at 45
Hz.

Since many people suggest setting your crossover to 80 Hz, I would
think this behavior of my one P362 is not with design limits. (I
have, by the way, been having some trouble integrating my subwoofer
smoothly.)

Well ... I only have a couple of days left, so any speedy response
would be useful. Again, I would love to hear from anybody with
professional speaker engineering experience. (plhart, you there? :-) )

OK, I just pulled the trigger and ordered 4 new 150s for $239.52 shipped from EE... found a Beta C50 for $140 soI might will order that instead of the $100 Primus C25...

However does it make sense to pay almost twice as much to go from 250->360 fronts?

Bump

OK, I just pulled the trigger and ordered 4 new 150s for $239.52 shipped from EE... found a Beta C50 for $140 soI might will order that instead of the $100 Primus C25...

However does it make sense to pay almost twice as much to go from 250->360 fronts?
Hi T2k,
Check my comparison Primus 250's vs. 360's a few pages back in this same thread. Placed in exactly the same position and driven at exactly the same volume setting, I found there was little difference between them when playing classical music or Jazz - I couldn't tell which speakers were playing. The 250's cut out around 39Hz at the low end, the 360's around 32Hz. When playing pure tones it seems the 360's has better cabinet resonance control than the 250's, but I wouldn't swear by that either.

I already had the 250's when I bough the 360's on a special offer, so the 360's only cost me about 10% more than the 250's (I had to wait nearly two months for delivery...). Having tested them, I would never pay twice as much for the 360's as for the 250's, rather I would spend the difference on a better subwoofer.

OK, I just pulled the trigger and ordered 4 new 150s for $239.52 shipped from EE... found a Beta C50 for $140 soI might will order that instead of the $100 Primus C25...

However does it make sense to pay almost twice as much to go from 250->360 fronts?

The front stage needs to be matched. The Beta may be a better speaker but is it matched tonally to the Primus? I don't think it is but different people have different tastes. Just for kicks I moved my 150 rear surrounds to the front and disconnected my 306s using them as $300 speaker stands :eek: reducing to 5.1 and it still sounds damn good. I've got a HSU stf-2 so I think the sub helps a lot. For movies I prefer the 7.1 with the 360s tho'

I would think the 250s would sound better than this and about as good as the 360s but I never heard the 250s. For highs and mids I've read there is no difference between the two but when the bass kicks in the 360s do much better job because of the larger woofer and it's a 3-way speaker.

Does it make sense to pay twice as much for the 360s when you have budget constraints? IMO no. Roll the money into a good sub.

I'd set up the 150s with the c25 with a sub and see how that tastes.

BTW $240 for 4 150s is a steal!

--Mike

Hi T2k,
Check my comparison Primus 250's vs. 360's a few pages back in this same thread. Placed in exactly the same position and driven at exactly the same volume setting, I found there was little difference between them when playing classical music or Jazz - I couldn't tell which speakers were playing. The 250's cut out around 39Hz at the low end, the 360's around 32Hz. When playing pure tones it seems the 360's has better cabinet resonance control than the 250's, but I wouldn't swear by that either.

I already had the 250's when I bough the 360's on a special offer, so the 360's only cost me about 10% more than the 250's (I had to wait nearly two months for delivery...). Having tested them, I would never pay twice as much for the 360's as for the 250's, rather I would spend the difference on a better subwoofer.

Excellent, just what I neededd, an actual comparison - thank you. :)

Yes, that's what I'm thinking about, spending what I save on going with 250s on a better sub - ie getting the PS-10 instead of the old PS_8 I originally intended to get... BTW do you have any particularly recommended sub in mind? :)

The front stage needs to be matched. The Beta may be a better speaker but is it matched tonally to the Primus? I don't think it is but different people have different tastes. Just for kicks I moved my 150 rear surrounds to the front and disconnected my 306s using them as $300 speaker stands :eek: reducing to 5.1 and it still sounds damn good. I've got a HSU stf-2 so I think the sub helps a lot. For movies I prefer the 7.1 with the 360s tho'


I didn't think about tonal difference, thanks for reminding me... I guess in limited budget situation and for a small brownstone living room like mine it wouldn't make sense to spend more on the Beta center...


I would think the 250s would sound better than this and about as good as the 360s but I never heard the 250s. For highs and mids I've read there is no difference between the two but when the bass kicks in the 360s do much better job because of the larger woofer and it's a 3-way speaker.

Does it make sense to pay twice as much for the 360s when you have budget constraints? IMO no. Roll the money into a good sub.

I'd set up the 150s with the c25 with a sub and see how that tastes.


Yep, I agree, that's what I'm going to do. Now I just have to find a good sub, 250s can wait a few more weeks... how about the PS-10? It's not that crazy powerful - 250W - but still more than PS-8 was and it's still pretty cheap...


BTW $240 for 4 150s is a steal!

--Mike

Well, it has to be shipped yet.... but yes, that's what I realized afterwards, when I read some posts here. :)

Does anyone have the Infinity Primus PC350 yet? If so how does it compare to the older model?

What is the SPL (sound pressure level) response with respect to
frequency of the Primus speakers supposed to be, specifically, the
frequency sweeps on the Avia DVD?

...

But the SPL on one of my P362's dropped
dramatically at 100 HZ, and then rose back up before d[r]opping off at 45
Hz.

Since many people suggest setting your crossover to 80 Hz, I would
think this behavior of my one P362 is not with design limits. (I
have, by the way, been having some trouble integrating my subwoofer
smoothly.)

... I would love to hear from anybody with
professional speaker engineering experience.

Bump. Anybody? plhart, you still hangin' aroung?

Yep, I agree, that's what I'm going to do. Now I just have to find a good sub, 250s can wait a few more weeks... how about the PS-10? It's not that crazy powerful - 250W - but still more than PS-8 was and it's still pretty cheap...

Infinity makes great speakers so I would think that extends to the sub. I don't own one but was going to get one but went with HSU because the PS12 was MIA at discounted prices. I went with a stf-2 for $350 shipped It only has a 200w amp and is rated for room 3000 cubic feet. and is more than adequate for my 1800 cubic room.

As luck would have it the next week they were back in stock at discounted prices. if the price below was availiable when i ordered I would have gotten it.

Here is a link for the Infinity PS 12 for 259 shipping is about $40.

http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/2PoweredSubCat.html

It really depends on the size of the room and if is fully closed or not. A 10"sub is enough for my space. If you want to watch movies i would suggest you get a sub that can go down to 25hz with authority...that means loud and deep.

The ps10 gets to 27hz and the 12 to 25hz. Is the extra 2hz worth the extra cash? Depends on your budget but if the subs are as good as the rest of the line then the ps 10 will do just fine in a medium sized room.

If you go to the SubWoofer section everyone will say BIC H-100 for about 250 or so shipped and they will suggest HSU or SVS. Another choice is the JBL venue 12" sub. for aout 250 shipped from amazon if you have Amazon Prime. It was recommended to me but a coin toss took it out...true story.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/102-5457135-9528113?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=subwoofer&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

Here is a link to a face off with SVS, Velodyne, PS12 and a JBL 10"


http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/home-audio-subwoofers/313-face-off-svs-pb10-isd-takes-few-contenders.html

Considering everyone thinks SVS, Velodyne aned HSU can "walk on water" the Infinty held its own quite well in the review. Keep inmind this guy is hard core and most of us only want good sound and a good price.

--Mike

I have the PS-10. It's a great sub for small to medium size rooms. I can't even turn up the sub to full volume in movies with lots of LFEs.

Does anyone have the Infinity Primus PC350 yet? If so how does it compare to the older model?
Hello there I have the new PC350 that replaced my C25. To be honest, I do NOT really notice that much of a difference so far. However, it is only fair to mention that I am completely redoing my set-up. I have moved my C25 and put it up above my seating position as my couch is up against my rear wall. Thus, the C25 is up about a foot higher than both of my surrounds (150's). In fact, I dont really have everything wired just yet as I am still waiting for my order from MonoPrice.com to get here. My plans are to run 12 gauge speaker wire to my rear speakers comprising a 6.1. Just dont have the room for 7.1 and truthfully doing 6.1 is really pushing it. Hope to have it all done and fully calibrated very soon as I now have the Avia disk as well as the Rives cd. But to answer your question there really is not that much of a difference from what I can tell. Maybe a bit more dialogue intelligibility and perhaps a bit more dynamic capability but there is NOT a "night" and "day" difference. Once everything is fully calibrated I will spend more time trying to discern just how much, if any, the PC350 is. Will keep everyone posted. Hope this helps. :) :)

Excellent, just what I neededd, an actual comparison - thank you. :)

Yes, that's what I'm thinking about, spending what I save on going with 250s on a better sub - ie getting the PS-10 instead of the old PS_8 I originally intended to get... BTW do you have any particularly recommended sub in mind? :)
Hey, just wanted to mention that I recently got a B-stock SVS PB10-NSD and all I can say is "WOW". I have looked the cabinet over very well and can NOT find much wrong w/it. I am still amazed that a 10" powered sub can perform like it does. In fact, it will embarress many 12" subs out there on the market. Even at full price the PB10-NSD truly is a bargain. Good luck in your decision. Just trying to help you out. :) :)

What is the SPL (sound pressure level) response with respect to
frequency of the Primus speakers supposed to be, specifically, the
frequency sweeps on the Avia DVD?

I was just doing a quick sanity check today to make sure my new
speakers are not haywire before my return period runs out. I was
using the digital RS (Radio Shack) meter (with mode C and slow
response). None of the speakers seemed especially stable through the
sweep. The SPL would vary by 5 to 10 dB locally, and more over the
whole sweep down to about 45 Hz. Maybe that is normal. (Obviously,
the SPL drops off <= 40 Hz). But the SPL on one of my P362's dropped
dramatically at 100 HZ, and then rose back up before dopping off at 45
Hz.

Since many people suggest setting your crossover to 80 Hz, I would
think this behavior of my one P362 is not with design limits. (I
have, by the way, been having some trouble integrating my subwoofer
smoothly.)

Well ... I only have a couple of days left, so any speedy response
would be useful. Again, I would love to hear from anybody with
professional speaker engineering experience. (plhart, you there? :-) )

Your Radio Shack meter is measuring speaker and room response. A speaker's frequency response is usually measured most accurately in an anechoic chamber or outside and up in the air, away from any boundaries.

Your Radio Shack meter is measuring speaker and room response. A speaker's frequency response is usually measured most accurately in an anechoic chamber or outside and up in the air, away from any boundaries.

Okay. I thought it could be room response (or maybe something else that I might be missing, as I'm relatively new to this stuff). And I was thinking that I should research it more myself, but I wasn't sure if I could really figure it out myself. I was really so surprised by the big difference between the two speakers.

Anyway, it helps to hear it from an expert. Thanks.

Just received my 160s today. Damn! These are a lot bigger than I thought they would be. Can't even wall mount them. I guess I need to keep an eye out for stands (they are for my surrounds).

On that note, anyone have (or known of) stands that will a) fit these and b) look nice?

Try Toggler's Hollow-Wall Heavy Anchors if you still interested in wall mounting them. They support 256 lbs. I use them in my profession as a facilities manager.

Hi folks.. I'm a long time reader of this forum but posting for the first time. I have been following Primus thread for past couple of months. I just bought this setup for my HD projector in the basement. P362's, PC350, P162's, P212 and RX-V1600 to drive them :) . I'll let you folks know my experience when they arrive next week. Thanks !

Hello everyone....
I have my 362 fronts, 350 center and 152 rears all hooked up and sounding good.... wasn't planning to add the sides until a little later. Just ran onto a good deal on a couple of 142's and decided to go ahead and get them. I'm now wondering how they will work as surrounds with the rest of my setup? Should I have another set of 152's or will these be just as good? Going to wall mount and needed the smaller package.
As always.....THANKS!!!!

Hello everyone....
I have my 362 fronts, 350 center and 152 rears all hooked up and sounding good.... wasn't planning to add the sides until a little later. Just ran onto a good deal on a couple of 142's and decided to go ahead and get them. I'm now wondering how they will work as surrounds with the rest of my setup? Should I have another set of 152's or will these be just as good? Going to wall mount and needed the smaller package.
As always.....THANKS!!!!


If it's all Primus it's All Good!...I would put the 142s in the back and put the 152s on the sides. I have the 360s up front with the 150s as all 4 surrounds and I think they are wasted in the back. The 150/2s are great as mains and i run them in a 5.1 right now with my 360s as expensive speaker stands so i think the 142s will be more than adequate for the rear surrounds.

--Mike

If it's all Primus it's All Good!...I would put the 142s in the back and put the 152s on the sides. I have the 360s up front with the 150s as all 4 surrounds and I think they are wasted in the back. The 150/2s are great as mains and i run them in a 5.1 right now with my 360s as expensive speaker stands so i think the 142s will be more than adequate for the rear surrounds.

--Mike

Mike,

not really wanting to put you on the spot but would you recommend not upgrading to 360's for a HT if one is currently using 150's as mains? If so can you please give your opinion as to why.

I have this mind set that i need to upgrade to 360 for fronts to give me a richer, deeper sound for my HT. I do plan on upgrading my sub (mostly likely a HSU sub) sometime down the road.

If anybody else would like to give their "IMO", that would be super.

Mike,

not really wanting to put you on the spot but would you recommend not upgrading to 360's for a HT if one is currently using 150's as mains? If so can you please give your opinion as to why.

I have this mind set that i need to upgrade to 360 for fronts to give me a richer, deeper sound for my HT. I do plan on upgrading my sub (mostly likely a HSU sub) sometime down the road.

If anybody else would like to give their "IMO", that would be super.

I can think of one reason not to get the 360s in a HT set up...small room. Oh, one more, MONEY...but that can be overcome. I happen to have a room that is big enough for the 360s but not to big for the 150s...so I play around a bit. I have my surrounds 2-3 db HOT with the 360s but not so when I have the 150s up front. So if your room is small they'll just dominate

For HT I definitely prefer the 360s up front. The sound is just bigger, I get more bass, and thats what I want for HT. BUT, the 2 most important speakers in a HT setup it the sub and the center. I had a cheap sub and the 360s just overwhelmed it so a good sub is important.

The reason why I moved the 150s to the front was because as rears in my 7.1 I felt they were being wasted and I wanted to USE them. They are really amazing in 5.1 with my HSU so there they sit for a while. Actually, having the 360s increased my appreciation for the 150s because in a lot of cases the 150 setup performed as well as the 360 setup. Also, my room is small/medium 12x14x9 and totally closed so the 150s can rock HT. Since they sit on the 360s everyone thinks the 360s are playing! In a bigger room or one that is open the 360s will perform better than the 150s

The 360s are just better in all the ways you describe and they can preform on their own w/o a sub...I often do this at nite with DIRECT mode on the receiver.

If your just wanting more from the front stage and fuller, deeper, bigger sound then the 360s will give it to you.

I think what it comes down to is question of money. If you can find a pair of 360s at the discounted price I buy without hesitation. The 362s look like they're going for 600/pair shipped and at that price I'd buy a really good sub FIRST because there IMO there no point to getting the 360s if yo sub can't do them justice. It really depends on how much you have to spend and what you already have.

What do you have set up now? which sub?

Hope this helps

--Mike

I can think of one reason not to get the 360s in a HT set up...small room. Oh, one more, MONEY...but that can be overcome. I happen to have a room that is big enough for the 360s but not to big for the 150s...so I play around a bit. I have my surrounds 2-3 db HOT with the 360s but not so when I have the 150s up front. So if your room is small they'll just dominate

For HT I definitely prefer the 360s up front. The sound is just bigger, I get more bass, and thats what I want for HT. BUT, the 2 most important speakers in a HT setup it the sub and the center. I had a cheap sub and the 360s just overwhelmed it so a good sub is important.

The reason why I moved the 150s to the front was because as rears in my 7.1 I felt they were being wasted and I wanted to USE them. They are really amazing in 5.1 with my HSU so there they sit for a while. Actually, having the 360s increased my appreciation for the 150s because in a lot of cases the 150 setup performed as well as the 360 setup. Also, my room is small/medium 12x14x9 and totally closed so the 150s can rock HT. Since they sit on the 360s everyone thinks the 360s are playing! In a bigger room or one that is open the 360s will perform better than the 150s

The 360s are just better in all the ways you describe and they can preform on their own w/o a sub...I often do this at nite with DIRECT mode on the receiver.

If your just wanting more from the front stage and fuller, deeper, bigger sound then the 360s will give it to you.

I think what it comes down to is question of money. If you can find a pair of 360s at the discounted price I buy without hesitation. The 362s look like they're going for 600/pair shipped and at that price I'd buy a really good sub FIRST because there IMO there no point to getting the 360s if yo sub can't do them justice. It really depends on how much you have to spend and what you already have.

What do you have set up now? which sub?

Hope this helps

--Mike


Mike,

What you said is exactly what I wanted to hear. My room is large and open and sounds like the 360's will fill it in nicely from what you describe.

I have a 7.1 setup and i started a$$ backwards. I was greatly desiring a .1 setup to move up from my dolby pro logic setup and a friend recommend the Onkyo 7.1 as a decent entry setup. Long story short, loved the receiver but hated the speakers that came with them. so after doing some research and knowing what my budget was, i choose the Primus line as my choice of speakers. Little did i know that the line was being cosmetically changed.

I have a HTIB Onkyo sub and I know that it is my weakest link. The reason why i pushing for a pair of 360's (new or used) is 1.) cause of my investment in a pair of 150's and c25 center, 2. ) knowing that the 360's are discontinued and are very, very hard to come by lately, 3.) to maintain the "timbre" match with my center speaker, 4.) I know I could upgrade my sub at any time without negatively effecting my setup and budget, and most important 5.) the new 362's did not pass the "WAF".

P.S. If the 150's were being wasted as rears in your 7.1 setup, would you think 140's are better suited?

Mike,

What you said is exactly what I wanted to hear. My room is large and open and sounds like the 360's will fill it in nicely from what you describe.

I have a 7.1 setup and i started a$$ backwards. I was greatly desiring a .1 setup to move up from my dolby pro logic setup and a friend recommend the Onkyo 7.1 as a decent entry setup. Long story short, loved the receiver but hated the speakers that came with them. so after doing some research and knowing what my budget was, i choose the Primus line as my choice of speakers. Little did i know that the line was being cosmetically changed.

I have a HTIB Onkyo sub and I know that it is my weakest link. The reason why i pushing for a pair of 360's (new or used) is 1.) cause of my investment in a pair of 150's and c25 center, 2. ) knowing that the 360's are discontinued and are very, very hard to come by lately, 3.) to maintain the "timbre" match with my center speaker, 4.) I know I could upgrade my sub at any time without negatively effecting my setup and budget, and most important 5.) the new 362's did not pass the "WAF".

P.S. If the 150's were being wasted as rears in your 7.1 setup, would you think 140's are better suited?

I happen to be on amazon and saw they were selling 362s for 150 each thru electronics Expo but the shipping is 80 bucks per speaker :eek:

Call this place:
www.theaudiovideosource.com

They have great prices on Infinty and are an authorzed seller of referbs that carry Infinty's full mfg warrenty. Their site says they are all out but I'd give them a phone call.

7.1 doesn't really exist because it's derived from 5.1 in the same way that 5.1 can be derived from stereo via PLx...hd-dvd and bluray may change that but I'm really not up on those formats. This is the reason I felt they were wasted...they are really good speakers and they just weren't being utilized to their full potential because surrounds are really for effects with some exceptions...all channel stereo comes to mind...Star Wars series really works the surrounds as well as a few others so the better the surrounds the better the experience in those cases.

7.1 does make a difference watching movies and in my experience when the volumes go higher it gets better. Some like seemlessness, being "enveloped" and not really being "aware" of the back per say but personally...I spent the loot so I want to KNOW they are there.

So yes, if I was doing it all over again with prices being the way they are, I would get 140s for the rear surrounds and save some $$$. You could put the best pair of the old speakers as surrouds in the interum...you may like it and save even more to spend on the front stage ad sub. Other folks have different opinions regarding surrounds. The other side of the coin is that if you could still get 150s for 55 each then I'd go for it because crutchfields is selling 140s at 50 each.

--Mike

I can think of one reason not to get the 360s in a HT set up...small room. Oh, one more, MONEY...but that can be overcome. I happen to have a room that is big enough for the 360s but not to big for the 150s...so I play around a bit. I have my surrounds 2-3 db HOT with the 360s but not so when I have the 150s up front. So if your room is small they'll just dominate

For HT I definitely prefer the 360s up front. The sound is just bigger, I get more bass, and thats what I want for HT. BUT, the 2 most important speakers in a HT setup it the sub and the center. I had a cheap sub and the 360s just overwhelmed it so a good sub is important.

The reason why I moved the 150s to the front was because as rears in my 7.1 I felt they were being wasted and I wanted to USE them. They are really amazing in 5.1 with my HSU so there they sit for a while. Actually, having the 360s increased my appreciation for the 150s because in a lot of cases the 150 setup performed as well as the 360 setup. Also, my room is small/medium 12x14x9 and totally closed so the 150s can rock HT. Since they sit on the 360s everyone thinks the 360s are playing! In a bigger room or one that is open the 360s will perform better than the 150s

The 360s are just better in all the ways you describe and they can preform on their own w/o a sub...I often do this at nite with DIRECT mode on the receiver.

If your just wanting more from the front stage and fuller, deeper, bigger sound then the 360s will give it to you.

I think what it comes down to is question of money. If you can find a pair of 360s at the discounted price I buy without hesitation. The 362s look like they're going for 600/pair shipped and at that price I'd buy a really good sub FIRST because there IMO there no point to getting the 360s if yo sub can't do them justice. It really depends on how much you have to spend and what you already have.

What do you have set up now? which sub?

Hope this helps

--Mike

I agree with most of what Mike said here. What I will add is that my room (20 x 16 x 9) really does better with the 360's than the 150's. I first got 150's for my surrounds and I was not ready to fork over the money to replace my fronts (Old Infinity SM102's 10" 2-way). When I got the 150's I tried them in place of the SM102's and it was lacking the authority I needed to phase into my JBL 12" sub. In a smaller room probably not as noticeable. BUT, what I liked about the 150's over the old SM102's was the clarity of the vocals and the definition of the sound...they were head and shoulders better. Then along came the 362's that drove the prices of the 360's through the floor and so I couldn't resist a set of 360's for $300 including shipping. The 150's are great speakers...the 360's are unbelievable...think of everything the 150 does just better and more of it. I have to commend Infinity for a speaker series design that rivals anything within 300% of its price range. So now I have the 360's, C25, and 150's for surrounds, along with the JBL sub. DVD Audio and SACDs are just astounding.

I agree with most of what Mike said here. What I will add is that my room (20 x 16 x 9) really does better with the 360's than the 150's. I first got 150's for my surrounds and I was not ready to fork over the money to replace my fronts (Old Infinity SM102's 10" 2-way). When I got the 150's I tried them in place of the SM102's and it was lacking the authority I needed to phase into my JBL 12" sub. In a smaller room probably not as noticeable. BUT, what I liked about the 150's over the old SM102's was the clarity of the vocals and the definition of the sound...they were head and shoulders better. Then along came the 362's that drove the prices of the 360's through the floor and so I couldn't resist a set of 360's for $300 including shipping. The 150's are great speakers...the 360's are unbelievable...think of everything the 150 does just better and more of it. I have to commend Infinity for a speaker series design that rivals anything within 300% of its price range. So now I have the 360's, C25, and 150's for surrounds, along with the JBL sub. DVD Audio and SACDs are just astounding.

I'll decided to get the 360's (crossing fingers guy doesn't back out today). I'll end up (like Calvin) with 360's, 150's, and C25. I actually bought three 360's but i'll be selling one of them, possible on Ebay. Long story.

Mike and Calvin - what are your speaker sittings on your AV reciever (i.e large or small speaker size, crossover, etc.)? I have an Onkyo receiver and the manual says to set the speaker size to large and the cross over at 80. Just wondering what you found best. My sub isn't great but i won't be replacing it until next year.

I'll decided to get the 360's (crossing fingers guy doesn't back out today). I'll end up (like Calvin) with 360's, 150's, and C25. I actually bought three 360's but i'll be selling one of them, possible on Ebay. Long story.

Mike and Calvin - what are your speaker sittings on your AV reciever (i.e large or small speaker size, crossover, etc.)? I have an Onkyo receiver and the manual says to set the speaker size to large and the cross over at 80. Just wondering what you found best. My sub isn't great but i won't be replacing it until next year.

Technically your not supposed to have speakers fronts set to large and sub on because the fronts get full range (what Onkyo calls it) of frequency and the front just cant handle LFE. The fear is that they might damage the speakers struggling with frequencies it just can't accommodate...a driver being forced to do things it cannot.

In practice very little music goes below 30hz and FM radio simply doesn't broadcast anything below 30hz (I think) so with the 360s (32hz) it shouldn't be a problem. I've done it, contrary to what is "safe", when I listened to music with my old cheap sub. I've got a better one so i don't do it now. HT is a different story...I would never have the front at full range during movies.

Onkyo sets any speaker that can go below 80hz to Full Range (large) when audessey sets up and you should change that to the standard starting point of 80hz for everything including the sub. Change it from there if you wish but Onkyo 604 doesn't allow you to set x-over below 80 for the sub.

--Mike

Technically your not supposed to have speakers fronts set to large and sub on because the fronts get full range (what Onkyo calls it) of frequency and the front just cant handle LFE. The fear is that they might damage the speakers struggling with frequencies it just can't accommodate...a driver being forced to do things it cannot.

In practice very little music goes below 30hz and FM radio simply doesn't broadcast anything below 30hz (I think) so with the 360s (32hz) it shouldn't be a problem. I've done it, contrary to what is "safe", when I listened to music with my old cheap sub. I've got a better one so i don't do it now. HT is a different story...I would never have the front at full range during movies.

Onkyo sets any speaker that can go below 80hz to Full Range (large) when audessey sets up and you should change that to the standard starting point of 80hz for everything including the sub. Change it from there if you wish but Onkyo 604 doesn't allow you to set x-over below 80 for the sub.

--Mike

mike - what's "audessey"? I'm struggling with that word.