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Can anyone recommend a slim, inexpensive (around $50) surround stand for the 150s? The stands I've seen cost as much or more than the speakers.
I use these for 150s. They come with 3 different types of top plates, use the biggest top plate, which I think is 5.5" x 5.5",
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002481EQ/ref=pd_luc_mri/102-4301315-2820135?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
Spellosaurus
02-01-07, 10:39 PM
I just ordered a pair of 150's based mostly on this site's recommendation.. I eventually plan on rounding it out to a 5.1 system, but I am on a serious budget and that's all I could afford for now.
I am looking for a cheap way to mount these speakers... Omnimounts are within my price range, but since no one's mentioned them should I assume they won't work for these speakers? I am new to the home theater world and don't know much of anything about it at all.
Does anyone have any alternate recommendations, or should I just go for a pair of stands?
I just ordered a pair of 150's based mostly on this site's recommendation.. I eventually plan on rounding it out to a 5.1 system, but I am on a serious budget and that's all I could afford for now.
I am looking for a cheap way to mount these speakers... Omnimounts are within my price range, but since no one's mentioned them should I assume they won't work for these speakers? I am new to the home theater world and don't know much of anything about it at all.
Does anyone have any alternate recommendations, or should I just go for a pair of stands?
Cheapest way to wall mount 150s is by using 2 screws (owner's manual will have details). Primus 150s have keyhole slots at the back, so you will be able to wall mount it using those. Here is what owner's manual says:
The Primus 140 and Primus 150 are designed to mount directly to a
wall. Each satellite speaker has two keyholes on the back. Each speaker
will require (2) 1-1/2," #10 wood screws fastened to a wall stud. If a
wall stud is unavailable, install an anchor appropriate for a 1-1/2,"#10
screw.
NOTE: The customer is responsible for the correct selection and use of
mounting hardware (available through hardware stores) that will ensure
the proper and safe wall-mounting of the speakers.
Spellosaurus
02-01-07, 11:58 PM
I saw that, but the only place I have to mount them is pretty high on the wall and I was hoping to find a way to angle them down.
boyle_heights
02-02-07, 02:37 AM
I am enjoying my 360s ordered from crutchfield. Great service. The box looked like it had been dropped from an airplane but the speakers were in perfect shape.
Right now I am using an Onkyo TX-SR504 receiver with the hope I can upgrade in a few months. Also need to buy surrounds but for now the 360s are more than enough.
Soybean
02-02-07, 09:07 AM
I also have the TX-SR504 + Primus 360 combo and it's great. I won't be upgrading from that receiver for a while, though.
I use these for 150s. They come with 3 different types of top plates, use the biggest top plate, which I think is 5.5" x 5.5",
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002481EQ/ref=pd_luc_mri/102-4301315-2820135?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
Thanks. I had looked at those before reading your message, but I wasn't sure if they could handle the weight of the 150. It says they handle up to 10 lbs and I think the 150 is around 13 lbs.
mrjinglesusa
02-02-07, 09:24 AM
I am enjoying my 360s ordered from crutchfield. Great service. The box looked like it had been dropped from an airplane but the speakers were in perfect shape.
:D
I hear ya. The 360s I ordered from Crutchfield came in some pretty sad looking boxes. I was worried damage had been done to the speakers but they were fine.
Thanks. I had looked at those before reading your message, but I wasn't sure if they could handle the weight of the 150. It says they handle up to 10 lbs and I think the 150 is around 13 lbs.
I have been using these for 150s for some time now. No issues so far.
HTRMikeD
02-03-07, 01:20 AM
I am the proud owner of Primus 7.0. 2x360, 4x150, and a c25. Actually 2 of those 150s are 152s—gotten at the 150 discount price. I ordered from HPdirectav.com but they didn’t have 2 in stock. A week goes buy and I call to find out what happened and am told the bad news. The rep makes a few offers so I say I’ll call back later. I order 2 150s from Crutchfield and b4 the end of the day Crutchfield ships. I call the HPdirect back to cancel and they have 152s now in stock and offer to send me them since I waited so long for the same price. I resist a bit because I’ve already gone over budget and digging into the money for the TV. Then it hits me what he’s said so I take them.
Looks like my 27” 10 y/o Sharp Television is going to hang in there for a bit longer.
BTW the 152s are much better looking as they have silver/grey grills. Still have to get a sub and the way it looks the bic-h100 looks like the one for me as my 100w Yamaha sub just ain’t doing the Primus any justice at all.
Just in time for the Super bowl!
--Mike
Soybean
02-03-07, 01:30 AM
Sweet! Very similar to my 2 360's, 4 160's and a C25.
Unfortunately my C25 arrived damaged, and I was supposed to get a new one. UPS guy hasn't been by to pick it up, though.
BTW the 152s are much better looking as they have silver/grey grills.
Do they sound any different than 150s? or they are exactly the same sound quality wise.
HTRMikeD
02-03-07, 12:23 PM
Do they sound any different than 150s? or they are exactly the same sound quality wise.
They look like the exact same speaker. I haven't set them up yet because I'm going to put them in the front just to hear what they sound like on their own. I'll get to that this afternoon.
Couldn't wait...they sound from these is awesome. I used stereo with and without a sub. Even with my el-cheapo sub it was great. w/o the sub it was still really good with the Bass turned up. I could have bought 6 150s and a quality sub instead if the 360s...not that i'm complaining it's just that i'm really impressed with these book shelves.
They sound exactly the same to me. I don't have an a/b so I couldn't test in real time. I've learned something in all of this. Acoustic music sounds so much better that electronic music with quality components. With my other set it just sounded different. I played J. jacksons "Rhythm Nation" and felt wanting. The I played Lennons "Remember" from Starbucks and was blown away. I guess the mix counts also but the difference in sound between the 2 CDs is socking.
The entire face of the 152 is grey lacquer and is the same color of the upper portion of the 150 face. The rubber(?) around the 152 woofer is grey instead of black making the driver look darker but I don't think it is.
Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would spend $800 on 7 speakers. At most I was lookin at 600 or 700 for 7.1 and that was stretching my imagination.
800 is money well spent.
Gotta get to work!
--Mike
Tony1970
02-04-07, 07:11 AM
I don't want to start any wars, I just want to make an informed decision. What started out as a simple task of upgrading my Onkyo HT speaker system has turned into a seemingly never ending search. I live in a small town in Indiana so listening to different speakers takes a nice drive. We do have a Frys in Indy that helped a lot. I found Polk R30's for cheap ($49 each) and was about to buy them at Frys when the salesman let me listen to the Monitor 50 and there was a big difference in sound. So I am leaning towards the Monitor 50 and someone at the Polk thread suggested I look at the Primus 360 because they are on sale at Crutchfield and would also be an improvement on the R30's. After reading the thread here, I see that you guys really enjoy these speakers. Since I can't actually hear these, I am depending on you guys to give an honest opinion since the 360 and Monitor 50 are the same price right now. Of course I would match the center and surrounds with the same line, whichever I decide on.
1. Quality comparison between Primus 360/250 and the Monitor 50 from someone who has heard both.
2. Difference between 360 and 250. That side of my basement is 27 x 13, but my viewing are would only be about 14 x 13.
3. I have and old Sony STR DE 685 5 x 100W (I realize this rating is probably overrated). Will this be sufficient for either choice. I would rather spend the money on the BIC sub ~$250 that people in this forum talk about.
4. To make my decision even more difficult, someone mentioned Athena F2.2 in the same price range. I have done little research on this one. That's my next journey.
Sorry for being so long winded. I never thought it would be this difficult. When I bought my Onkyo's 5 years ago, they were the highest rated htib so there was not much thought into the purchase. This forum is great for learning about a lot of things I can't afford (or wife won't let me have). Thanks in advance for your help.
I don't want to start any wars, I just want to make an informed decision. What started out as a simple task of upgrading my Onkyo HT speaker system has turned into a seemingly never ending search. I live in a small town in Indiana so listening to different speakers takes a nice drive. We do have a Frys in Indy that helped a lot. I found Polk R30's for cheap ($49 each) and was about to buy them at Frys when the salesman let me listen to the Monitor 50 and there was a big difference in sound. So I am leaning towards the Monitor 50 and someone at the Polk thread suggested I look at the Primus 360 because they are on sale at Crutchfield and would also be an improvement on the R30's. After reading the thread here, I see that you guys really enjoy these speakers. Since I can't actually hear these, I am depending on you guys to give an honest opinion since the 360 and Monitor 50 are the same price right now. Of course I would match the center and surrounds with the same line, whichever I decide on.
1. Quality comparison between Primus 360/250 and the Monitor 50 from someone who has heard both.
2. Difference between 360 and 250. That side of my basement is 27 x 13, but my viewing are would only be about 14 x 13.
3. I have and old Sony STR DE 685 5 x 100W (I realize this rating is probably overrated). Will this be sufficient for either choice. I would rather spend the money on the BIC sub ~$250 that people in this forum talk about.
4. To make my decision even more difficult, someone mentioned Athena F2.2 in the same price range. I have done little research on this one. That's my next journey.
Sorry for being so long winded. I never thought it would be this difficult. When I bought my Onkyo's 5 years ago, they were the highest rated htib so there was not much thought into the purchase. This forum is great for learning about a lot of things I can't afford (or wife won't let me have). Thanks in advance for your help.
1. I would go with Primus 360 (when choice is between 360 and Polk Monitor 50). Don't get me wrong, Polks have some very good speakers in their lineup, but I didn't like Monitor 50s when I heard them briefly (does not mean that they are bad, just my preference). Also from the specs, Polk Monitor weighs about 26 lbs compared to Primus 360 at 48.5 lbs, this is an indication of better cabinet material and will have less issues with resonance etc.
2. I would again go for 360 (when choice is between 250s and 360s), because of lower bass extension and (to my ears) better mid-range. I have 360s in a room of approx 23' x 12 and they are able to fill the room without any problem.
3. Your receiver will be another reason to either pick Primus 360s or Athena AS-F2.2, as both these speakers are rated 93 dB and are more efficient speakers than Polk Monitor 50s (89 dB). They will play louder than Monitor 50s at the same power level.
4. I have not heard Athena AS-F2.2, but they also get quite good opinions/review around here.
BTW, here is a review of Primus 360 in Stereophile
http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/605infinity/index.html
Hope this helps and good luck to you in your speaker search.
Tony1970
02-04-07, 12:47 PM
Thank you, axs. This forum has been a great tool in helping me make a decision. With Crutchfield's reputation for customer service and the current sale, I think I will be ordering the 360's, the 150's for surrounds and the C25 center channel. How does Infinity's subs compare to the Bic Acoustech or entry level HSU? I am 90% sure that I will order the Primus nest week after conferring with the boss and maybe I can get a package deal if the subs are comparable. Thank you very much for the link, it was very informative. Thanks again.
boyle_heights
02-04-07, 02:36 PM
Tony, I was in the same situation you are in now. I decided to go with the Primus 360s and have no regrets at all. Love these speakers. I also ordered the C25. At this time the only thing I will add is a sub. I am also thinking about the BIC Subs.
Thank you, axs. This forum has been a great tool in helping me make a decision. With Crutchfield's reputation for customer service and the current sale, I think I will be ordering the 360's, the 150's for surrounds and the C25 center channel. How does Infinity's subs compare to the Bic Acoustech or entry level HSU? I am 90% sure that I will order the Primus nest week after conferring with the boss and maybe I can get a package deal if the subs are comparable. Thank you very much for the link, it was very informative. Thanks again.
Hsu subs have a very good reputation and if your budget permits, take a look at them. Hsu VTF-2 MK3 will be good for a room of your size
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html
I bought Infinity PS12 sub for one of my setup, when I got a good deal on it (about $255 shipped). It works quite well for me. New PS212 subs have more powerful amps (400w) than PS12 (300w), so those are another option. However, at the current prices, I would perhaps go for either Hsu or SVS subs.
For $220-230 price range, I think BIC H-100s are best choice.
ViCyniC
02-04-07, 05:16 PM
The Primus 150s are my first component bookshelves...before this I was using PC multimedia speakers (my last was Boston Acoustics BA7800). I've been using the Primus for over a year now, and they sound amazing for the price ($95 for a pair)...and this is without a sub. But now, after this much time without a good foundation for the bottom frequencies, I'm gonna add a subwoofer to my 2.0 setup. I've read in the past that this will put less stress on the Primus drivers and make them sing even better. I'll be getting a Rocket X-Sub to compliment my 150s. CAN'T WAIT! :D
But I'm preparing for an upgrade to the Rocket X-LS in the future...it should be worth it.
DJDiggler
02-05-07, 02:58 AM
Hello again! Haven't posted in a while, some reason the forum hasen't been notifying me of new posts....
After some break in time the new speakers sound better than ever. To everyone thinking about these speakers I definatly recommend the 360/362 as the mains... Honestly the footprint isn't that much bigger than the 150's on a stand... a matter of a few inches. They sound incredible. One thing I can't figure out with my reciver is when I play a cd in my DVD player (optical connection), there is nothing sent to the sub.... It's not that much of a problem however because the 362's go so low a sub is almost not needed!
I have also found some cheap 36" VTI stands (http://www.audiovideofurniture.ca/VTI-RF-Series-Speaker-Stands.htm) (thats a canadian site, they must have a US one, they shipped from California), they have a larger than normal top plate (6.5x8) that fit the huge 162's a little better.
HarBlar
02-06-07, 03:23 AM
Well I've been holding off on buying new speakers for a year and a half now. I'm currently running a 6.1 set of yamaha cheapies (think I paid $150 for the set and got a $50 gift card with it at bestbuy like 3 years ago). Any way, They're small 6ohm speakers that are ok, but don't seem to match up well with my 8 ohm sony recvr. Go figure. :rolleyes:
I had been holding out and planning on buying a set of the Ascend acoustic speakers, but after seeing the deal crutchfield was offering on the primus, I couldn't resist. I ended up getting 2 360's and c25(after reading the recommendations in this thread). With the free shipping I couldn't got wrong and ended saving $450 off from the equivalent ascend speakers.
On an interesting side note, the website said there was some problem with my credit card, so I called just to verify that the order was going to go through and everything. The operator verified it for me and told me that it would arrive on the 13th Or for an extra $3 dollars I could upgrade the shipping and get them on the 9th! I had to verify that about 3 times.(usually costs me an extra $40 to upgrade the shipping on Anything I order!) :D
Anyway, can't wait to get them and hook em up! Just thought I'd ask, How do these compare to the ascend speakers? I haven't read this entire thread so if this has already been answered I apologize. Also I'm not much of an audiophile (My CRT projector setup keeps me busy enough). All I know is my current speakers are the weak link in my current setup and I just want to reassure myself that I'm getting the most bang for my buck. So from that standpoint would a guy like me even notice a difference between the two?
Thanks. :D
fredflint
02-06-07, 03:26 PM
There are codes floating around on different sites that offer a $20 discount. To get it to work, I had to order two singles @ $175 ea. For some reason, the discount did not apply when I tried to order a pair. Anyway, with discount, the delivered price was $329 and change. As of yesterday, according to CSR, they had less than 40 left in inventory. Maybe they were pushing the sale, but they told me that when these were gone, they wouldn't be able to get more.
I ordered my Yammy 659 yesterday. Pioneer 1016 was another choice.
Infinity Primus 360x2, C25 and 150x2 are also on their way.....thanks to Crutchfield....I already have BIC acoustech H-100 sub. I am looking forward to hook them up this weekend. I was initially leaning towards Pioneer 1016 which I thought will be little louder and warmer but after audition and close competition, I finally went for Yammy 659. Yammy felt bit louder and more rich in surround at same decibel level.
HTRMikeD
02-07-07, 02:57 PM
I ordered my Yammy 659 yesterday. Pioneer 1016 was another choice.
Infinity Primus 360x2, C25 and 150x2 are also on their way.....thanks to Crutchfield....I already have BIC acoustech H-100 sub. I am looking forward to hook them up this weekend. I was initially leaning towards Pioneer 1016 which I thought will be little louder and warmer but after audition and close competition, I finally went for Yammy 659. Yammy felt bit louder and more rich in surround at same decibel level.
I'm interested to know how you feel the BIC sounds with Primus so please post your experience. I'm looking to get a BIC to replace my sub...yea the 1016 sounds a little "weak" by comparison to the Yamaha and Onkyo's 604 IMO.
--Mike
Guys,
Along with your Primus purchase or user experience , I guess it would be a cool idea if you can share what receiver or sub do you use or intend to use with the setup.
:cool: So, please post the Receiver and Sub info as well. :)
I am happy with Crutchfield purchase. This is my first experience with them. I ordered four Primus 150 and a C25. All arrived on time.
My sub is Klipsch Synergy 10" and the receiver is Onkyo TX-SR703. I already have a pair of Primus 250. I have not connected all the new speakers yet.
HarBlar
02-08-07, 12:19 AM
I've got an older sony 6.1 reciever... 110 watts per channel, I believe. I've always been somewhat dissappointed with it, but then again I've only had 4 or 6 ohm speakers hooked up to it since I've had it. I can't wait to hear it with a properly matched 8 ohm front stage. Even if it sounds great, I'll probably be upgrading the recvr in the next 6-8 months. A mid lvl Onkyo or Denon most likely.
My sub is the Dayton 12" 150 watt downfiring sub... ( the $150 partsexpress one.) I'm not much of an audiophile, but I've been nothing but happy with this sub. For the price it's great. I'll see how it matches with the 360's and c25.
Anyway, I'll post my thoughts this weekend when I get it all hooked up. :)
calvinlc
02-08-07, 02:58 AM
Guys,
Along with your Primus purchase or user experience , I guess it would be a cool idea if you can share what receiver or sub do you use or intend to use with the setup.
:cool: So, please post the Receiver and Sub info as well. :)
2 -360's
2 - 150's
C25
JBL Northridge E-250
Harmon Kardon AVR Receiver
EXTREMELY Happy WIth All Components! If I had to rate them on "happiness factor" I would say the AVR was the highest followed closely by the 360's. HK receivers just kick butt....the clarity, dynamic range, and signal separation is waaay better than the Yamaha I switched from.
HTRMikeD
02-08-07, 10:37 AM
Guys,
Along with your Primus purchase or user experience , I guess it would be a cool idea if you can share what receiver or sub do you use or intend to use with the setup.
:cool: So, please post the Receiver and Sub info as well. :)
2 360s
1 c25
2 150s
2 152s
Yamaha yst-sw216
Onkyo 604
With the speakers and the size of my room 12X14 7.1 is overkill. I listen to music in All Channel Stereo and it's too much. I often find myself going to stereo and taking the volume up. To me, this sounds better than ACS in 7.1. ACS in this room is overwhelming.
I am most happy with Primus. So confident with them that I'm going to move the rear 150s to another room with that yamaha sub once i get a new sub. I think going from 7.1 to 6.1 in that space is a good thing as the speakers are awesome for Movies and it might be better with all channel stereo with 5.1
The sub sucks but it's perfectly fine with a pair of 150s. I set up the 150s with the sub and was amazed w/stereo.
The 604 was a grat purchase for me as a first time a/v receiver but i already have a wish list for the next one I buy. Mostly I want the ability to set multiple eq settings i can cycle thru because of the variety of music played in the house.
All said I'm very pleased with what i have.
--Mike
I listen to music in All Channel Stereo and it's too much. I often find myself going to stereo and taking the volume up. To me, this sounds better than ACS in 7.1. ACS in this room is overwhelming.
Have you tried Dolby Pro Logic IIx with your music? You might like that more than all channel stereo.
I am most happy with Primus. So confident with them that I'm going to move the rear 150s to another room with that yamaha sub once i get a new sub. I think going from 7.1 to 6.1 in that space is a good thing as the speakers are awesome for Movies and it might be better with all channel stereo with 5.1
I would suggest either staying with 7.1 or going to 5.1 instead of 6.1.
just picked up a pair of 360's for 199.00. local nj chain. they were the floor models but the store is only 3 months old.full factory warrenty.i am planning to use my 250's as side surrounds 150's as rear speakers.this goes with dayton 10 inch sub and beta c360 center. overkill?
aeroutaF35
02-08-07, 12:20 PM
was thinking about going with 4 floorstanding speakers. what do you all think? I don't what to bother with the mounting and if i'm going to have a mount there i'm thinking it might as well be a speaker. Either the p252 or p363
HTRMikeD
02-08-07, 12:41 PM
Have you tried Dolby Pro Logic IIx with your music? You might like that more than all channel stereo.
I would suggest either staying with 7.1 or going to 5.1 instead of 6.1.
I agree. 6.1 was a typo! I ment 5.1...never thought of Dolby for music...I will try Pro Logic IIX
--mike
never thought of Dolby for music...I will try Pro Logic IIX
DPLIIx has 3 listening modes - Movie, music and games. Each optimized for these materials. More info here
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/prologic_IIx.html
and beta c360 center. overkill?
Beta C360 is a fine center channel speaker, but not necessarily a good match for primus series. I would reconsider that part.
Just hooked up my 360's , 250's, 162's and pc350 to my new Yamaha 2700. Im using a 20-39pci cylinder sub from SVS and another smaller sub from my old setup. I calibrated using Avia. All I can say is.....WOW. I just played When We Were Soldiers and it is unbelievable how good this setup sounds. These speakers kick ass. I also played some Earth Wind and Fire and the mids and highs were crisp. This was a good decision getting these speakers. Back to listening......
So, the wife wants to put my new 57" DLP into a media cabinet. This means that my 250's are not the best option.
My setup:
Denon 7.1
(4) Infinity US1 surrounds
L/R 250
CC3 center
8" sub
What bookshelf speaker could I replace my 250s with that I won't cry after.
- Polk Monitor 40?
- Infinity 150s or 160s?
HarBlar
02-09-07, 03:03 AM
Well, I can't believe it. My 360's and c25 arrived a day early! best $3 I'v ever spent on shipping! :D
I hooked them up and did a very quick setup. I then watched 2 movies to test em out. First I played Sin city. I really think I'm going to be happy with this setup. I had them turned up pretty good and even during the really big nasty explosions I couldn't hear any distortions or crackling or what not (then again I really shouldn't, should I) ;) . Reason I picked Sincity is because my old speakers could never handle this movie's DTS track at a good volume with out distorting and cracking and I really wanted to see what they could do. I also watched the superbit version of the 5th Element. This was a great test to (since I'd also been tweaking my proj setup) I was amazed at how clear and crisp most of the dialouge was. I even picked up lines and mutterings I'd never heard or never understood before.
I think they match up pretty well with my sub, though I need to do some fine tuning and move my sub to a more appropriate location. right now it's on the back wall of my theater behind my recliner. I'm just waiting for my 50 feet of digital coax to come so I can move the sub to the front.
I can definitely tell these speakers are louder, though I still think a better recvr would really make them shine. Good thing my theater is pretty well underground, else I'd have lot's of P/O'ed neighbors! :D
I need to run through a proper setup with these yet before I can really see what they can do but so far I like. Tomorrow I'll test some nice easy listening... I was thinking some Metallica, Dragonforce... something else really loud and abusive, perhaps. :)
djshtnut
02-09-07, 08:56 AM
What do you think of the PC350? I currently have the Beta C360, which is an awesome speaker, But I have been wanting to get the Primus 360's ( I had these and got rid of them, and now I'm sorry because I havent found anything different I like) an 4 150 surrounds. I like the Beta C360, but I like the look of the PC350 and it would match the other PRimus speakers. I would buy the rest of the Beta line, but it seems that the primus speakers are just as good and cost a lot less.
HTRMikeD
02-09-07, 10:33 AM
Crossover points for Primus.
I’ve gone thru Audessey on the Onkyo 604 a few times with some surprising results. Audessey sets all speakers except the c25 to full band. AND sends LFE to the sub at 80hz. I’ve learned that this is generally an audio no-no. It also increases the db of the 360s to +2 and the sub to -2. I think this might make sense if full band is on but this seems like whacky decision making by Audessey.
I changed it to:
360s............60hz...........Fronts...................+0
c25.............100..............Center..................+1
150s............80..............Surrounds/back.....+1/+2
sub..............80...............LFE....................... +2
I‘m still fiddling with it any rules of thumb I’m overlooking. The crossovers could go lower to the almost exact ration of the speaker but I don’t think that’s a good idea. Am I wrong on this
Thanks
--mike
djshtnut
02-09-07, 01:54 PM
Infinity Primus Set-ups.
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If you have an Infinity Primus Set-up can you post a link to your set-up or send me some pics please. I am soon going to have a Primus set-up (Hopefully), and want to see what my fellow Primus lovers set-ups look like.
Thanks.
Crossover points for Primus.
I’ve gone thru Audessey on the Onkyo 604 a few times with some surprising results. Audessey sets all speakers except the c25 to full band. AND sends LFE to the sub at 80hz. I’ve learned that this is generally an audio no-no. It also increases the db of the 360s to +2 and the sub to -2. I think this might make sense if full band is on but this seems like whacky decision making by Audessey.
I changed it to:
360s............60hz...........Fronts...................+0
c25.............100..............Center..................+1
150s............80..............Surrounds/back.....+1/+2
sub..............80...............LFE....................... +2
I‘m still fiddling with it any rules of thumb I’m overlooking. The crossovers could go lower to the almost exact ration of the speaker but I don’t think that’s a good idea. Am I wrong on this
Thanks
--mike
Any speaker which can play below 80hz (both 360 and 150 can do that), Audyssey will set them to Large (or Full Band). I think the crossover frequencies you set manually for these speakers seem to be fine. You may like to try even 80hz for 360s and 100hz for 150s. No harm in a little experimentation and keep the one you like most. As for sub, I think you should push that up to 120hz.
I wouldn't change the speaker levels set by Audyssey, unless you are using SPL meter to calibrate it manually.
Tony1970
02-09-07, 09:09 PM
New to HT. OK, thanks to you guys I will be purchasing Primus series this weekend. One final small request for recommendation. My original purchase was going to be from Crutchfield:
Primus 360 x 2
Primus 150 x2
Primus C25
Bic H100
Total $870 shipped.
I saw today on Vanns site:
Primus 362 x 2
Primus 152 x 2
Primus PC350
PS212 sub
Total $1000 shipped.
For 130 looks like I get a better center channel, but what about the Infinity sub vs. the Bic. I have no way to audition either. Which setup is better value or is there a different combo that may be better. Thanks for your help.
HarBlar
02-10-07, 01:56 PM
Couldn't stand it... I broke down and ordered myself a new receiver as well. :rolleyes:
I like the new speakers, but I can tell that my current receiver is crap. There's improvement, but not enough. I know it has to be my recvr, because I've tried my old speakers on other recvr's (when I had roommates) and they sounded a lot better than mine. I've been unhappy with it for quite sometime, but now that I got a nice front stage, I want to take advantage of it!
I should be getting a new Onkyo TX-SR804 middle of next week! I helped a friend put together a theater last year with a 503 (or 603... can't quite remember) and was amazed by how great it sounded using Dayton In-wall speakers. I was planning on waiting till hdmi 1.3 hit the market, but who am I kidding. I don't even have any HDMI inputs on my projector and even if I did I'd probably only have one or 2 components, and I'd direct run them anyway.
Anyone else using the 804 with the 360/c25 frontstage? How does it sound?
Damn.. Now I'm impatient again. :D
Anyone else using the 804 with the 360/c25 frontstage? How does it sound?
They sound quite good with SR504, so I would think it can be only better with SR804.
BTW, don't forget to check out the thread on SR804 in "AMPs, Receivers, and Processors" forum. I remember reading about some humming issue with SR804.
riker1384
02-10-07, 07:12 PM
Can anyone recommend a slim, inexpensive (around $50) surround stand for the 150s? The stands I've seen cost as much or more than the speakers.
The Sanus BF-31B (http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-BF-31B-Speaker-Stands/dp/B00006JQ5O/) ships for less than $45 on Amazon. I don't know if it's slim enough, but it's decent for the price. There's also a 24-inch version which has a higher capacity just because it's shorter.
HarBlar
02-10-07, 09:01 PM
They sound quite good with SR504, so I would think it can be only better with SR804.
BTW, don't forget to check out the thread on SR804 in "AMPs, Receivers, and Processors" forum. I remember reading about some humming issue with SR804.
I've been looking that thread over a little bit. Biggest issues I've seen are probs with the HDMI, but that seems to be pretty standard across the board from what I've noticed. I was actually only going to get the 674, but I found a silver 804 in the scratch and dent of crutchfield for about $50 less than the 674 and I figured since all my component are in a different room, I don't really care what it looks like and besides, if I'm going to upgrade I might as well do it on the high side of the power band.
Well It turns out someone beat me to it and got the S/D first. My order had already been submitted so I got a call from crutchfield. Anyway, long story short, they said they'd give me a new one instead for $699. That's still $300 off msrp and the same price as th 674... So what the hell? I can't wait to get this and give it a try. :D
Today I hooked up my Primus 150s to an older model receiver (circa early 80's Sony), and the computer/IPod.
Even though I've upgraded my main setup with different speakers, the 150s still make me smile. They sound fantastic in a small 2 channel setup - especially with the older receiver which has a warm sound and helps the 150s out in low frequency range.
Anybody looking for a nice sounding budget 2 channel system for music: I recommend finding some Primus 150s and a used receiver on Ebay. Not a low cost multichannel receiver, I'm talking the old school variety.
I've been looking that thread over a little bit. Biggest issues I've seen are probs with the HDMI, but that seems to be pretty standard across the board from what I've noticed. I was actually only going to get the 674, but I found a silver 804 in the scratch and dent of crutchfield for about $50 less than the 674 and I figured since all my component are in a different room, I don't really care what it looks like and besides, if I'm going to upgrade I might as well do it on the high side of the power band.
Well It turns out someone beat me to it and got the S/D first. My order had already been submitted so I got a call from crutchfield. Anyway, long story short, they said they'd give me a new one instead for $699. That's still $300 off msrp and the same price as th 674... So what the hell? I can't wait to get this and give it a try. :D
Great. I vaguely remembered reading it in that thread, so I just wanted you to be aware of this issue. All the best.
weatherman98
02-11-07, 04:28 PM
In case you are wondering (or have been waiting) Crutchfield is out of the 360's and I just ordered the last pair of 160's! I was holding off on the 360's until after the 15th and whammo! the only place that will ship them to an FPO address runs out.
Anyone upgrading to the 362 and want to sell their 360's?
weatherman98
02-11-07, 04:29 PM
In case you are wondering (or have been waiting) Crutchfield is out of the 360's and I just ordered the last pair of 160's! I was holding off on the 360's until after the 15th and whammo! the only place that will ship them to an FPO address runs out.
Anyone upgrading to the 362 and want to sell their 360's?
Correction - they have one single 360 on Scratch and dent. (Not a pair, a single)
HarBlar
02-11-07, 05:49 PM
I just ordered the last pair of 160's!
You were lucky! I nearly grabbed those two 160's yesterday when I ordered my recvr. You're Welcome! :D
weatherman98
02-13-07, 06:36 AM
thanks a bunch - the internet sure has made this a small world after all!
HarBlar
02-13-07, 05:36 PM
So I just got my 804 receiver today and I have been absolutely floored!!! I'm not much of an audiophile and I was expecting some improvement in SQ, but was expecting to hear it more in loudness than anything. this makes me feel a lot better about my recent spending spree, I was having some buyers remorse when they were paired with my old sony recvr. Not any more! I'm really glad I splurged on the recvr now. after hooking it up and running through the auto setup I happened to flip onto a Shelly Lynn concert (or something like that) on HDnet and... and... What can I say? I'm still in shock. The damn thing even makes my cheapy yamahoppers sound decent (using them for the 4 surround channels right now)... Which Reminds me...
thanks a bunch - the internet sure has made this a small world after all!
I hope you enjoy those 160's, because I am so Kicking myself for not grabbing them now! :D
Well... Off to do some more watching with my ears. ;) I'm going to run a couple good DTS movies and I'll post back with my impressions on how it sounded.
mrjinglesusa
02-13-07, 05:46 PM
Appears Crutchfield still has some 160s in stock. They are showing up as "Low Stock". 360s are indeed sold out - all they have now are 362s.
Beernuts
02-14-07, 10:52 AM
Ordered a pair of 250's from Crutchfield last night - hopefully they will arrive by Friday. :D
WormerST
02-15-07, 08:53 AM
Hi all,
Last week I saw an ad for a Infinity Primus II set: 2x 250, 2x 150, 1x C25 and 1xPS8 for 550 euro's. (I live in the Netherlands)
All speakers separate would put me back 1050 euros, so I was amazed with this deal!
I'm only doubting if the PS8 will be good enough. I have a small/medium sized living room for this setup and I'll hook it up to a ONKYO 703 (thanks to the recommendations in this thread!).
In the shop these speakers were set up with a MARANTZ 3001 (i think) which made them sound really high on "highs". This might have been the CD that the sales assistant used, but I bet that this can be filtered out/adjusted by playing with the settings on the amp. right? Because later we listened to a different pair of 250's on a different amp, and this already made a big difference.
I took my girlfriend with me to the shop yesterday to buy the speakers (which is a big no no for most guys probably on here). And she really thought that the speakers were ugly becaused they looked cheap to her, and she didn't liked the sound of them. (!!!) But then the guy in the shop showed her 2 massive 3500 euro each speakers, and she didn't liked the sound of them either, which showed me I would've been better of leaving her home.
Anyway, the shop didn't have a complete set on stock, so I made a reservation and they are going to call me as soon as they come in. Hopefully this will be soon, but as this is a discontinued product I'm a bit anxious.
Should I look for a different sub? I do like bass, but there is no need to shake the whole neighborhood.
Thanks, :)
Gigapod
02-16-07, 08:50 AM
...
I'm only doubting if the PS8 will be good enough.
...
Should I look for a different sub?
...
I suggest you just wait until you have everything setup in your room and have listened to your favorite music pieces/movies to determine if you need a larger/more expensive sub.
Infinity makes larger subs but you can easily spend as much on the sub alone as on all the other speakers together.
The PS8 is good enough for music at reasonable volume levels, it may come a little short on explosions and other SFX in movies but that really depends on your taste and how often you watch that kind of movie.
jerseydevil854
02-16-07, 11:50 AM
Hey Guys! Thanks to every posting information and personal reviews, it helped me out a lot in making a decision. I think ive decided to buy from the Primus series :) but ever since the new speakers came out (362 etc..) noone has really been bundling the speakers together. Well I just checked on Vanns today and found they are now bundling p252's packages and p362's packages! I was just wondering what you guys thought of these bundles and what you think is the best value, and if you would jump on this now or just wait..
The 252 Bundle (Sorry cant post links yet but all you have to do is go to Vanns and click on the indivitual primus 252 speaker) has 2 different packages just differing in subwoofers. The nicer package is only $50 more.
For $750 you get:
(2) P252's
(2) P142's
(1) PC250
(1) ps-10
The 362 Bundle (Sorry cant post links yet but all you have to do is go to Vanns and click on the indivitual primus 362 speaker) has 2 different packages as well differing in subwoofers. The more expensive package is $100 more.
For $999 you get:
(2) P362's
(2) P152's
(1) PC350
(1) PS-212
I orginally wanted the p152's for the back because of what i read around here but i really just wonderign what you guys think of these packages, which one is the best value in your eyes and why one outweighs another,and if you could pick which one and why would you. Thanks for any help!
HTRMikeD
02-16-07, 02:35 PM
I’m looking into subs for my Primus set. 2x360, c25, 4x150.
Room HxWxD=11x12x14 and 50/50 music movies
So far my list looks like this.
Primus PS-12
BIC-H100
HSU VTF-2 MKII/III
My taxes will be coming back and I’ll have enough to get the HSU. Since I can’t hear any of these I was wondering if anyone has experience with the listed subs. I’m partial to the HSU but it’s downward firing and I live in an apartment and have no desire to get arrested for disturbing the peace. Primus might be better matched but I really don’t know and BIC was my first choice because of its price and reviews.
Any comments?
Thx
--Mike
Can someone give me a review of the infinity ps 212 sub. Is is worth the money and does it perform better than the ps-12
calvinlc
02-16-07, 11:24 PM
I’m looking into subs for my Primus set. 2x360, c25, 4x150.
Room HxWxD=11x12x14 and 50/50 music movies
So far my list looks like this.
Primus PS-12
BIC-H100
HSU VTF-2 MKII/III
My taxes will be coming back and I’ll have enough to get the HSU. Since I can’t hear any of these I was wondering if anyone has experience with the listed subs. I’m partial to the HSU but it’s downward firing and I live in an apartment and have no desire to get arrested for disturbing the peace. Primus might be better matched but I really don’t know and BIC was my first choice because of its price and reviews.
Any comments?
Thx
--Mike
Truly, Mike, try the JBL Northridge series 12" sub.
The tightness and power of the bass is simply outstanding. I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for JBLs front/surround speakers in this price range (too bright & tinny), but this sub simply kicks butt, especially with the Primus'.
Read the reviews here: http://www.audioreview.com/PRD_289347_2741crx.aspx
On the performance ratings 10 out of 12 reviews give 5 out of 5 and the other two reviews are 4 out of 5, with some pretty good descriptions.
Go to EBAY, item # 260087620823. Sold for $600 at Best Buy....can pick it up now for less than $250.
Also here: http://www.idealav.com/item.aspx?eid=1&pid=78664
jerseydevil854
02-17-07, 08:24 PM
What would you guys suggest for a receiver (preferably less than $500) to drive p362's fronts, p152's backs, pc350, and ps212 sub?? Maybe your top 3 or 4 receiver choices for this setup so i have a few options to look into. And which one is your favorite and why. Thanks!
My living room where my HT is setup has a very weird open configuration. Down to the bottom line, at the moment my two surrounds are Primus 150s and the are very close to the two sides of the cough as compared to being on a higher level on the wall and at some substantial distance. So I was thinking if I can try some di-poles rather than the two 150s as they are very directional at such a short distance around the center couch. Athena R1.2 or Mirage Nanosat were gathering my attention with the latter having too high a frequency starting point to my liking (I want something of 80hz or little below).
My mains are 360s and center is c25 with BIC H-100 sub . I would prefer a bigger sound field for surrounds and was wondering if anyone is using some affordable dipoles etc??
Would apprecite any input.
pmm8647
02-18-07, 01:00 PM
Okay, I was looking to upgrade my HTIB speakers from <gasp> pioneer, when I stumbled on to this thread. After reading about these speakers, I decided to go see if I could find anything on closeout locally so I could hear them. Lo and behold, I found a pair of 250's, a C25, and a PS8. I snatched all of them after a listen.
Here's my issue with the current thread:
My space is small, so taking into consideration my space limitations, I needed to buy a scaled down version of what everyone hear talks about.
I am about to order the last piece of my 5.1 puzzle (rears), and what I havent seen is much about the 140's. Due to my size issues (250's front, PS8 sub, C25 center), I was flabbergasted by the size of the 160's. They would easily topple any of my current stands, and bigger stands just aren't an option.
Have any of you had the oppotunity to use the 140's? I mean, most of you all have deafening 360's, PS12's, and 160's... I gotta tell you, I have been pleasantly surprised at the range in 250's and a PS8 (you can't shake your neighbor's house, but are you really wanting to tick them off?)
What I have now (in my opinion) is a perfect set for an apartment or small living room setup with a Onkyo 604 to push em. What do you think of setting up the 140's as rear speakers in this slightly modified version of the "standard" setup?
Should I be looking for something else?
patrick
HTRMikeD
02-18-07, 01:23 PM
Okay, I was looking to upgrade my HTIB speakers from <gasp> pioneer, when I stumbled on to this thread. After reading about these speakers, I decided to go see if I could find anything on closeout locally so I could hear them. Lo and behold, I found a pair of 250's, a C25, and a PS8. I snatched all of them after a listen.
Here's my issue with the current thread:
My space is small, so taking into consideration my space limitations, I needed to buy a scaled down version of what everyone hear talks about.
I am about to order the last piece of my 5.1 puzzle (rears), and what I havent seen is much about the 140's. Due to my size issues (250's front, PS8 sub, C25 center), I was flabbergasted by the size of the 160's. They would easily topple any of my current stands, and bigger stands just aren't an option.
Have any of you had the oppotunity to use the 140's? I mean, most of you all have deafening 360's, PS12's, and 160's... I gotta tell you, I have been pleasantly surprised at the range in 250's and a PS8 (you can't shake your neighbor's house, but are you really wanting to tick them off?)
What I have now (in my opinion) is a perfect set for an apartment or small living room setup with a Onkyo 604 to push em. What do you think of setting up the 140's as rear speakers in this slightly modified version of the "standard" setup?
Should I be looking for something else?
patrick
What's the size of the living room? mines is 12x14x11(h) and totally closed. I've got 360s and 150s and could have easily gone with all 150s with a sub. In fact i tested this out since i have 4 150s and it's pretty damn good wih my 604 as well.
I think the 140s will be fine. Infinity sells a HT setup and it is all 140s, a center, and the 10” sub. If they think its fine then I guess it would be ok for your situation. I personally like the 150s and the driver size is the same as the 250s. It’s more important that the front stage is tonally matched and yours already is, so the rears aren't all that big a deal.
If you’re happy with the performance of what you call “scaled down” then by all means get the 140s. BTW it’s not really scaled down. Different models are designed for varying purposes and it sounds like the 250 meet you purpose.
--Mike
pmm8647
02-18-07, 02:33 PM
My room is 15long x 12wide x 8high but it has one wall that is wide open to to kitchen. I think my primary problem is that I can't get sturdier stands for the 150's or 160's because of the size of the sectional. I went ahead and purchased some 140's from Crutchfield after reading your response.
Do you feel that I will be missing out on any specific ranges with the 250's, 140's, c25, and PS8? The receiver is capable of 7.1, but I got no place to put the right and left speakers.
Thanks for your replies.
patrick
HTRMikeD
02-18-07, 03:24 PM
My room is 15long x 12wide x 8high but it has one wall that is wide open to to kitchen. I think my primary problem is that I can't get sturdier stands for the 150's or 160's because of the size of the sectional. I went ahead and purchased some 140's from Crutchfield after reading your response.
Do you feel that I will be missing out on any specific ranges with the 250's, 140's, c25, and PS8? The receiver is capable of 7.1, but I got no place to put the right and left speakers.
Thanks for your replies.
patrick
I struggled over the whole "range" thing for a while myself. Like you I came from a crappy system to this. I tried to future proof as much as possible but it;s usless unless you got big dollars and even then there always something around the corner. I can say I'm more than impressed with what i ended up with even tho' I'm still using my crappy sub...I'll replace it in due course. I like bass so I would have gotten a bigger sub. Right now I've got a 10" 100w yamaha that goes down to 38hz that I sure the Infinty ps-8 beats up on it. I'm happy with it for music (it gets boomy at times) but want more for movies.
For my taste and from what I've learned so far, I want a sub that gets down to 25hz with power and carity. I'm looking into the BIC-H100, JBL E250P for less than 300 shipped and I have my eye on the HSU VTF-2...It's pricy but I'll see as time goes on. You don't have to stay with the same brand for the sub it really matters most on the front.
Crutchfield is a great company. If the 140s don't cut it because of the open area or because of your ears return it and get 150s. If the bass is missing a bit then maybe you could return the 8 and get a bigger sub...providing it's within your budget and keep the 140s.
With the open area I would definatley get a bigger sub but in the end it's all about how it sounds to YOU.
The 150s are 12(h)x7(w)x10(d) and I think 13 lbs so finding stands ain't really a problem. A page or 2 back in the thread are a few dicussion regarding stands that go for about 50-70 a pair that do work with 150s. I agree that the 160s shoudn't be classified as a book shelf!
Hope this helps
--Mike
jerseydevil854
02-18-07, 07:44 PM
Hey guys i just went buy Sound Advice and picked up the Yamaha RX-V1500 on clearance for $379. What do you guys think of my deal and this receiver powering my Primus series?
merkord
02-19-07, 01:09 AM
I am reading such good things about the C25, but how does it match up with the PC250. On Vanns website the PC250 center channel is about 90 dollars more. Just want to know if this is worth it...
audiofreak38
02-19-07, 12:14 PM
I am reading such good things about the C25, but how does it match up with the PC250. On Vanns website the PC250 center channel is about 90 dollars more. Just want to know if this is worth it...
I have been asking myself this same very question. The C25 is a good center BUT I am seriously thinking about ordering the PC350. I would venture to say that the PC250 is basically the same thing as the C25 with the exception of a few minor changes in the X-over and cosmetics. However, the PC350 is a different story in that it is larger than the C25 AND includes (2) 3" mids. Guess the PC350 is a 3-way speaker design as opposed to the 2-way on both the C25 and the PC250 respectively. Has anyone here been able to compare the C25 to the PC350?? If so, is the PC350 that much better than the C25?
HTRMikeD
02-19-07, 12:27 PM
Hey guys i just went buy Sound Advice and picked up the Yamaha RX-V1500 on clearance for $379. What do you guys think of my deal and this receiver powering my Primus series?
It'll be fine. I've got an Onky 604 and it has 90w per channel and it drive my 7.1 primus VERY well.
--Mike
I just ordered the Primus 362 w/PS212 promotion set from Vanns. Looking forward to getting these!
ohmyblazes
02-20-07, 12:59 PM
Hi all, I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to speakers and I appreciate all the information in this thread and it seems like Infinity Primus speakers are a great speaker at a reasonable price.
I have a question though, I have a newer Sony 6.1 receiver (STR-DG500) since my old 5.1 crapped out on my a few months ago and I have some ancient floorstanding Sonys and center channel (they are probably at least 12 years old). I've also got some cheap surround speakers I picked up years ago and a (don't laugh) KLH sub.
Would I see a big improvement if I went to the following?
Primus C25
2 Primus 250s
2 Primus 150s
Infinity PS12 Sub
Onkyo 504 Receiver (or something similar)
I want to upgrade if I'll notice a big difference and since I'm getting a new TV delivered soon I thought I'd work on upgrading my sound as well.
Your input is greatly appreciated. :)
jerseydevil854
02-20-07, 03:54 PM
I just ordered the Primus 362 w/PS212 promotion set from Vanns. Looking forward to getting these!
Congrats! Im hoping to order the same system soon. Let us know how they sound. BTW, how long did they say shipping would take to get it there?
Thanks. It's quite a deal they're offering (and no tax or shipping on top of that!) and I just couldn't pass it up. I ordered ground shipping and it says delivery around 2/28, so that's not bad at all. For just $400 extra I could get two-day shipping arriving on 2/26 :D
These are actually going into a theater room that won't be ready for a few months, but I don't want to risk losing the deal if it was limited-time only. I will probably temporarily pull out my Denon 4806 and hook them up when they arrive just to test them out that all is well.
calvinlc
02-20-07, 09:48 PM
Hi all, I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to speakers and I appreciate all the information in this thread and it seems like Infinity Primus speakers are a great speaker at a reasonable price.
I have a question though, I have a newer Sony 6.1 receiver (STR-DG500) since my old 5.1 crapped out on my a few months ago and I have some ancient floorstanding Sonys and center channel (they are probably at least 12 years old). I've also got some cheap surround speakers I picked up years ago and a (don't laugh) KLH sub.
Would I see a big improvement if I went to the following?
Primus C25
2 Primus 250s
2 Primus 150s
Infinity PS12 Sub
Onkyo 504 Receiver (or something similar)
I want to upgrade if I'll notice a big difference and since I'm getting a new TV delivered soon I thought I'd work on upgrading my sound as well.
Your input is greatly appreciated. :)
Yes! Huge Improvement, IMHO. Sony is not known for its speaker expertise. I have actually auditioned some Sony speakers before and they were not very impressive....whereas the Primus' are awesome.
Are the Primus 250s better than the Infinity RS2s that I have been using for the last several years?
mrjinglesusa
02-20-07, 10:34 PM
I just ordered the Primus 362 w/PS212 promotion set from Vanns. Looking forward to getting these!
Nice! That's a great deal. I have the 360s, C25 and PS10 and they sound fantastic. You'll love your new set-up...
Thanks, looking forward to it!
audiofreak38
02-21-07, 12:10 AM
Has any Primus owner been able to compare the all new PC350 center to the C25? Been seriously thinking about moving up to the PC350 BUT still a bit uncertain. What I am particularly interested in is if the PC350 would really be that much of an improvement with respect to the C25. More specifically, would the added 3" mids improve intelligiblity??? Please help if you can. :)
Ron Jones
02-21-07, 08:19 AM
Are the Primus 250s better than the Infinity RS2s that I have been using for the last several years?
I can't say for certain how the 250s compare to the RS2s but I have owned RS2s and Primus 360s and the Primus 360s are better.
ohmyblazes
02-21-07, 09:05 AM
Yes! Huge Improvement, IMHO. Sony is not known for its speaker expertise. I have actually auditioned some Sony speakers before and they were not very impressive....whereas the Primus' are awesome.
Thanks Calvin! I figured that would be the case but I didn't want to spend all that money and not notice much of an improvement.
jerseydevil854
02-21-07, 08:29 PM
Has anyone experienced the pc350. Would love to know if there is any sort of noticeable difference between the pc350 and the pc250. Thanks!
audiofreak38
02-21-07, 09:15 PM
Guess NOT. However, if any of you ever get the chance to directly compare the C25 center to the new PC350 please be sure to post your observations. Been seriously considering ordering one myself-just NOT real sure how much better it would be. I want to move up NOT move laterally. In other words, the PC350 would have to be significantly better than the C25 in overall performance.
calvinlc
02-21-07, 09:57 PM
Guess NOT. However, if any of you ever get the chance to directly compare the C25 center to the new PC350 please be sure to post your observations. Been seriously considering ordering one myself-just NOT real sure how much better it would be. I want to move up NOT move laterally. In other words, the PC350 would have to be significantly better than the C25 in overall performance.
My question would be, is there any particular flaw you find in the C25? The vocals sound like they are in the room with you so I don't know what improvement I would be looking for in the PC350.
audiofreak38
02-21-07, 11:21 PM
My question would be, is there any particular flaw you find in the C25? The vocals sound like they are in the room with you so I don't know what improvement I would be looking for in the PC350.
Hi Calvin. There is no major flaw with respect to the C25 well at least for the money per se. However, the PC350 is a 3-way and has (2) 3" mids. This should add to the over-all clarity and thus result in a bit more intelligibility. Furthermore, I have the 360's up front and feel as though the PC350 would offer better resolution and perhaps offer more dynamically speaking. Other than that, there would be imho no real reason to upgrade.
calvinlc
02-22-07, 09:18 PM
Hi Calvin. There is no major flaw with respect to the C25 well at least for the money per se. However, the PC350 is a 3-way and has (2) 3" mids. This should add to the over-all clarity and thus result in a bit more intelligibility. Furthermore, I have the 360's up front and feel as though the PC350 would offer better resolution and perhaps offer more dynamically speaking. Other than that, there would be imho no real reason to upgrade.
I can see how that might be true, but I just don't know for sure. The center channel usually has less to resolve than the front channels and therefore the separation might not be that big of a deal. I agree with you on the 360's, they do a great job.
audiofreak38
02-22-07, 11:51 PM
I can see how that might be true, but I just don't know for sure. The center channel usually has less to resolve than the front channels and therefore the separation might not be that big of a deal. I agree with you on the 360's, they do a great job.
Calvin I think that having more dynamic capability would be reason enough to upgrade. The PC350 should do just that and as such work very well with the 360's. It looks like I will be getting a PC350 very soon. Remember, the center channel speaker is paramount to having superb ht performance. Some will say they prefer a "Phantom" center but imho they are in the MINORITY. This, on the other hand, is what keeps things much more interesting-you know keeping our own individuality. Thank God himeself we all dont prefer the same exact thing. Just think of how boring things would really be if we did. :eek: :eek:
Based on what I've heard with my own ears as well as some research done here I've decided to upgrade to the following for my new HT room:
1 x C25
2 x 250's
4 x 150's
My question is, what kind of placement should the satellites (150's) have? My room is 14' wide by 20' long. The seating will be about 11' from the screen, leaving 8-9' behind for speaker placement. This is my first experience with a 7.1 setup, so I'm unsure how the four sat's should be placed (two even with the seating and two in the back corners or along the back wall?). Any thoughts/assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.
mrjinglesusa
02-23-07, 09:07 AM
My question would be, is there any particular flaw you find in the C25? The vocals sound like they are in the room with you so I don't know what improvement I would be looking for in the PC350.
I have a C25 paired with 360 fronts and a PS10 sub. It's a great set-up IMO. Dialog is crystal clear and the 360 pack plenty of punch.
calvinlc
02-23-07, 05:44 PM
Calvin I think that having more dynamic capability would be reason enough to upgrade. The PC350 should do just that and as such work very well with the 360's. It looks like I will be getting a PC350 very soon. Remember, the center channel speaker is paramount to having superb ht performance. Some will say they prefer a "Phantom" center but imho they are in the MINORITY. This, on the other hand, is what keeps things much more interesting-you know keeping our own individuality. Thank God himeself we all dont prefer the same exact thing. Just think of how boring things would really be if we did. :eek: :eek:
Let us know how it turns out.
audiofreak38
02-23-07, 08:11 PM
Let us know how it turns out.
Will do Calvin but it may be a bit yet. Lots going on here right now.......LOL!!! However, will see what I can do. :) :)
Based on what I've heard with my own ears as well as some research done here I've decided to upgrade to the following for my new HT room:
1 x C25
2 x 250's
4 x 150's
My question is, what kind of placement should the satellites (150's) have? My room is 14' wide by 20' long. The seating will be about 11' from the screen, leaving 8-9' behind for speaker placement. This is my first experience with a 7.1 setup, so I'm unsure how the four sat's should be placed (two even with the seating and two in the back corners or along the back wall?). Any thoughts/assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.
Here is an image from Dolby showing speaker placement in 7.1 setup
http://www.dolby.com/images/consumer/home_entertainment/room_d4.gif
To maintain those placement angles (given the 8-9' behind listening position) for surround back speakers, you will need to spread them apart about 9.5'-10.5'.
Megalith
02-24-07, 12:25 AM
After getting my RPTV, my Beta 360 center has become a paperweight, since there's literally no room for it. However, it is possible for me to squeeze a Primus center in there.
My question is...does the Primus line match the Betas tonally?
After getting my RPTV, my Beta 360 center has become a paperweight, since there's literally no room for it. However, it is possible for me to squeeze a Primus center in there.
My question is...does the Primus line match the Betas tonally?
I would think they will sound quite different. Beta line uses CMMD drivers compared to MMD in primus line.
An alternative could be to use some center channel speaker stand like the following and point the speaker to the ear level:
http://www.racksandstands.com/Lovan-L-ML2CB-1887-LV1096.html
http://common.csnstores.com/common/products/LV/LV1096_m.jpg
It goes on floor, so keep it in front on RPTV.
This should add to the over-all clarity and thus result in a bit more intelligibility. Furthermore, I have the 360's up front and feel as though the PC350 would offer better resolution and perhaps offer more dynamically speaking. Other than that, there would be imho no real reason to upgrade.
With C25 as center, never had any issues with clarity or intelligibility, but you are right PC350s are tempting.
A basic question though, have you calibrated/level matched your speakers using SPL meter? I know auto setup feature does it for you, but good placement and a little tweaking can always make some difference. In any case, I always like to verify the setting by using SPL meter too.
jerseydevil854
02-24-07, 02:02 AM
Does anyone know or can recommend some speakers stands for the pc250 most importantly and for future reference possibly the 152's as well? Something low $$ would be great but really it would great to see what i can use to hold this center channel (and possibly the surrounds). Thanks for any help!
Axs--Thanks for the help. I'd found that diagram when I got home from work and started poking around which looks like it was about 5 minutes before you posted it. I've got the placement all figured out...speakers should be here on Tuesday. Can't wait!
audiofreak38
02-24-07, 03:39 PM
With C25 as center, never had any issues with clarity or intelligibility, but you are right PC350s are tempting.
A basic question though, have you calibrated/level matched your speakers using SPL meter? I know auto setup feature does it for you, but good placement and a little tweaking can always make some difference. In any case, I always like to verify the setting by using SPL meter too.
No just got a RS SPL meter today. But, I have decided to go ahead and get the PC350 regardless. In fact, tried to order one from Vanns today and right now they are out of stock. I have a Vanns card and do not want to put much on my Visa right now so I will have to wait. But, you do make a good point with respect to the C25. :) :)
audiofreak38
02-24-07, 03:41 PM
Axs--Thanks for the help. I'd found that diagram when I got home from work and started poking around which looks like it was about 5 minutes before you posted it. I've got the placement all figured out...speakers should be here on Tuesday. Can't wait!
Congrats on your purchase. Welcome to the Forum. Be sure to let us know what your impressions are once you get everything set-up. Just loving my Primus speakers. :) :)
Soybean
02-24-07, 04:45 PM
I was using Avia last night and the frequency sweeps for each individual speaker uncovered a buzzing that occurs in my right Primus 360 in one of the higher frequencies. :( What a pain. My C25 came DOA and now I'll have to send one of my 360s back too.
You can't even order a 360 at The Audio Video Source anymore, so I guess replacement is out. They'll have to fix it I guess.
Other than that, I love those front Primus 360s.
type456
02-25-07, 11:28 AM
What's your opinion of using 5 Primus 140's for a small room home theater/music system. IMO, I think that 5 140's are a better choice than the Theater Pack because front soundstage and surrounds will be identical. The reason some may prefer the 140's over the 150's is size. Considering that everyone will be using a sub with them anyway this should be a nice little setup.
Jacobee519
02-25-07, 09:47 PM
My setup consists of two 160's for fronts, and two 140's for the rears. If you've heard any of the infinity line, the 140's are no different. Obviously it's not as deep as the towers would be, but they sound just as clear, and I think in a small room, for what the 140's cost, they'd be perfect. Not to mention they're cute as hell when mounted on the side walls. :D
audiofreak38
02-25-07, 10:21 PM
My setup consists of two 160's for fronts, and two 140's for the rears. If you've heard any of the infinity line, the 140's are no different. Obviously it's not as deep as the towers would be, but they sound just as clear, and I think in a small room, for what the 140's cost, they'd be perfect. Not to mention they're cute as hell when mounted on the side walls. :D
Hi Jacob what wall mounts are you using? The reason I ask is that I need to get my 150's up on the back wall. Unfortunately, my couch is also up against the rear wall and as such I only have a 5.1. I need some mounts that will hold the 150's and offer some positioning options both vertically and horizontally. Really hate to put screws in the back of the 150's but will if need be. Would appreciate your input.
Buffarino
02-25-07, 10:57 PM
Has anyone auditioned (or owned) both the 150s and 152s? I have auditioned the 152s and really like them but can get the 150s for almost half the price. I don't care about having the latest and greatest, I just want good sound from my setup. I would use the 150s for the fronts.
I'm looking at probably the Infinity ERS 110IIS for the rear surrounds in a 5.1 setup. For the center channel, is there a big difference between the C25 and the C250? I can get the C25 for $100 and the C250 is $250. I know the center channel is the most important speaker in a HT setup, but is this the same as the 150/152 difference (if there is one), or is the 250 worth the extra $? I don't mind spending the money if it gets me something, but I don't want to spend money just for the newest thing.
I have an Onkyo SR603X and will be getting a sub as well (10" or 12"), but haven't decided so much on that yet, although all suggestions are appreciated. Also, if the Onkyo won't be up to the task, i'm not opposed to getting a new receiver as well.
finiscient
02-26-07, 03:03 AM
Reading through this thread convinced to buy a Primus speaker system. Here's what I got:
(2) P362's
(2) P142's
(1) PC350
(1) PS-212
I went for the P142's over P152's and P162's because of size (like type456 above). I could exchange the P142's up, but I'm wondering if it is worth it.
Also, this is my first home theatre set-up. Anyone got a pointer to cabling information. How important is picking the right cabling? I've heard you can substitute video cabling for your subwoofer cabling. Is that true? (Would save me a buck or two, since I have some around.)
BTW, I was thinking of going for the Vann's bundle, but the 362 bundle was not on their site anymore. (252 bundle still there.) Searching around, I got prices slightly better than the Vann's bundle from my local Video Only without bundling.
HTRMikeD
02-26-07, 05:24 PM
Has anyone auditioned (or owned) both the 150s and 152s? I have auditioned the 152s and really like them but can get the 150s for almost half the price. I don't care about having the latest and greatest, I just want good sound from my setup. I would use the 150s for the fronts.
I'm looking at probably the Infinity ERS 110IIS for the rear surrounds in a 5.1 setup. For the center channel, is there a big difference between the C25 and the C250? I can get the C25 for $100 and the C250 is $250. I know the center channel is the most important speaker in a HT setup, but is this the same as the 150/152 difference (if there is one), or is the 250 worth the extra $? I don't mind spending the money if it gets me something, but I don't want to spend money just for the newest thing.
I have an Onkyo SR603X and will be getting a sub as well (10" or 12"), but haven't decided so much on that yet, although all suggestions are appreciated. Also, if the Onkyo won't be up to the task, i'm not opposed to getting a new receiver as well.
Get the cheaper ones.
I have both 150s and 152s. As far as I can tell they are identical sonicly. The only difference is the grill and the face of the speaker is all grey. They did change the grill holes because the grills aren't interchangable.
The new line is just cosmetic and they are getting rid of the older models. The only "new" speaker in the line is the c350 which is a 3-way center. the c25/0 is a 2-way and it deos really well with my 360s up front so it should do just as well for the 150s
I've got the Onkyo 604 and it does the job.
--Mike
tysonmax
02-26-07, 05:44 PM
Just got my 360's in today to replace the 250's I was using as fronts. I was quite suprised at the difference in mid-range...very noticeable. Not too mention, the bass the 360's produce is not so much deep as it is quick and hard hitting, which is what I felt I was lacking with the 250's. U-571 was fantastic!! :)
Set up includes:
2- 360's
2-150's
1-C25 (soon to be PC350)
:D :D BIC H-100 SUB :D :D
audiofreak38
02-26-07, 09:55 PM
Just got my 360's in today to replace the 250's I was using as fronts. I was quite suprised at the difference in mid-range...very noticeable. Not too mention, the bass the 360's produce is not so much deep as it is quick and hard hitting, which is what I felt I was lacking with the 250's. U-571 was fantastic!! :)
Set up includes:
2- 360's
2-150's
1-C25 (soon to be PC350)
:D :D BIC H-100 SUB :D :D
Congrats on your upgrade. My set-up is identical to yours with exception of the sub. I just ordered a SVS PB10-NSD and I also have (2) Acoustic Research 8" subs. What did you do with your 250's??? They would great in the rear. Just loving my Primus speakers and like you I may also upgrade to the larger PC350 center speaker. :) :)
tysonmax
02-26-07, 11:05 PM
What did you do with your 250's??? They would great in the rear. Just loving my Primus speakers and like you I may also upgrade to the larger PC350 center speaker. :) :)
Sold them to a co-worker, he had purchased the Primus theater pack and wanted to get 2 floorstanding speakers to complete his 7.1 system. I thought about just keeping them, but I couldnt really make the room configuration work. I may just get another 2-150's to round out the system.
Jacobee519
02-26-07, 11:25 PM
Hi Jacob what wall mounts are you using? The reason I ask is that I need to get my 150's up on the back wall. Unfortunately, my couch is also up against the rear wall and as such I only have a 5.1. I need some mounts that will hold the 150's and offer some positioning options both vertically and horizontally. Really hate to put screws in the back of the 150's but will if need be. Would appreciate your input.
Well here's the thing.. I'm actually still in the market for mounts (Theater room isn't quite finished, long story), although as you probably already know, the 140's have a threaded insert for mounting that the 150's do not. I think you and I might be looking for different things. I'm sure many people here would know much more than I do on this topic, so I might throw this question back out to you guys.
On a tangent, can anybody direct me to a link, or explain to me how to upload pictures to the forum? I'm new to this forum, and I'd love some feedback on my basement renovation/theater room.
audiofreak38
02-26-07, 11:51 PM
Sold them to a co-worker, he had purchased the Primus theater pack and wanted to get 2 floorstanding speakers to complete his 7.1 system. I thought about just keeping them, but I couldnt really make the room configuration work. I may just get another 2-150's to round out the system.
That sounds like a feasible plan. However, if you upgrade to the larger PC350 and as such replace your C25 why not use it in the back giving you a 6.1 configuration??? I am thinking about doing just that since I really do not have enough room behind my seating position for a 7.1 set-up. The C25 in my set-up would have to be mounted very close to my ceiling and not sure if it would really add much. May experiment down the road and see BUT it will surely be a while. Just a thought that would save you some money. :) :)
audiofreak38
02-26-07, 11:59 PM
Well here's the thing.. I'm actually still in the market for mounts (Theater room isn't quite finished, long story), although as you probably already know, the 140's have a threaded insert for mounting that the 150's do not. I think you and I might be looking for different things. I'm sure many people here would know much more than I do on this topic, so I might throw this question back out to you guys.
On a tangent, can anybody direct me to a link, or explain to me how to upload pictures to the forum? I'm new to this forum, and I'd love some feedback on my basement renovation/theater room.
Jacob, the 150's also have that insert on the back but since my seating position is against the back wall attaching the 150's that way would have them firing straight out into the room. That would work fine if I had the room for a 7.1 but for my application the rears would sound better facing or firing in the direction of my seating position 2-3' above ear level. If you are looking for a set of mounts Crutchfield has the B-Tech BT1's for $30 a set which would work well for you. Hence, you can swivel the the 140's left to right as well as up and down giving you various placement opportunities. There is, however, a limit on the amount of left to right adjustment as well as up or down (tilt). Just thought I would mention that to you. :) :)
finiscient
02-27-07, 12:01 AM
Had a chance to search around, and answered some of my questions:
I went for the P142's over P152's and P162's because of size (like type456 above). I could exchange the P142's up, but I'm wondering if it is worth it.In this thread, there is some discussion of this question:
"Onkyo speakers have no clarity"
http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=470010
It seems that the bass of the 150's/152s for surround is noticeable (especially for certain effects), and worth getting if you can fit it sizewise.
That makes the decision harder for me. I was hoping to hear, just go for the 142's; you will hardly notice the difference.
Also, this is my first home theatre set-up. Anyone got a pointer to cabling information. How important is picking the right cabling?
This article at this link does a good job of explaining speaker wire:
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire.htm#wiretable
calvinlc
02-27-07, 01:44 AM
Hi Jacob what wall mounts are you using? The reason I ask is that I need to get my 150's up on the back wall. Unfortunately, my couch is also up against the rear wall and as such I only have a 5.1. I need some mounts that will hold the 150's and offer some positioning options both vertically and horizontally. Really hate to put screws in the back of the 150's but will if need be. Would appreciate your input.
Did they stop putting the screw hangers on the back of the 150's or something? My 150's have two slot-holes so you can screw two screws into the wall and hang them on the screw heads. Heck, I even have them mounted this way in a corner via some creative work with a slice of 2x4 cut at just the right angle behind the speaker - you can't even tell.
Jacobee519
02-27-07, 01:53 AM
Did they stop putting the screw hangers on the back of the 150's or something? My 150's have two slot-holes so you can screw two screws into the wall and hang them on the screw heads. Heck, I even have them mounted this way in a corner via some creative work with a slice of 2x4 cut at just the right angle behind the speaker - you can't even tell.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I know what you're talking about, on all three bookshelf models there are two small keyhole mounts on the back used to mount them flush on the wall, or even against an angled block of wood as the picture showed. I was talking about a third mounting hole, this one threaded, near the center of the speaker. On the third page of the owners manual there's an illustration of what I'm talking about. It says (P140 only), but I've never owned a pair of 150's, so I can't say for sure.
http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/INFP1859PrimusII-om-LowRes.pdf
This is how I plan on mounting my 140's, provided I can find a threaded mount strong enough to support them. (Is 7 lbs heavy?)
EDIT: I just noticed audiofreak's response, and the mounts you recommended are exactly what I was looking for! I've just ordered a pair, I'll let you know how they work. :D
Speakers are out for delivery today...woo hoo! Kind of disappointed I missed the Vanns 360 bundle by a couple days, but I called around and landed a PS212 for not much more than a Bic, and that should arrive Friday. Going to be a fun rest of the week.
tysonmax
02-27-07, 10:06 AM
That sounds like a feasible plan. However, if you upgrade to the larger PC350 and as such replace your C25 why not use it in the back giving you a 6.1 configuration??? I am thinking about doing just that since I really do not have enough room behind my seating position for a 7.1 set-up. The C25 in my set-up would have to be mounted very close to my ceiling and not sure if it would really add much. May experiment down the road and see BUT it will surely be a while. Just a thought that would save you some money. :) :)
Thats not a bad idea at all. Might have to give that a shot. Thanks for the idea!
tysonmax
02-27-07, 11:49 AM
Not sure if there's a real pic of the PC350 in the thread, I didnt see one, but here's about all I could find.
Buffarino
02-27-07, 12:53 PM
Get the cheaper ones.
I have both 150s and 152s. As far as I can tell they are identical sonicly. The only difference is the grill and the face of the speaker is all grey. They did change the grill holes because the grills aren't interchangable.
The new line is just cosmetic and they are getting rid of the older models. The only "new" speaker in the line is the c350 which is a 3-way center. the c25/0 is a 2-way and it deos really well with my 360s up front so it should do just as well for the 150s
I've got the Onkyo 604 and it does the job.
--Mike
Thanks for the quick response.
Will the 150s cut it for front speaker duty? Seems most people here have the 250s or 360s for fronts, but I can't have speakers on stands. My 2 small children would make quick work of them, so I need bookshelfs.
tysonmax
02-27-07, 02:33 PM
Thanks for the quick response.
Will the 150s cut it for front speaker duty? Seems most people here have the 250s or 360s for fronts, but I can't have speakers on stands. My 2 small children would make quick work of them, so I need bookshelfs.
They would do fine. But you may also wan't to check out the 160/162's for fronts. A friend in your same situation (1 little boy at home who touches everything) has 4 x 160's and a C25. Sounds excellent.
audiofreak38
02-27-07, 03:40 PM
Did they stop putting the screw hangers on the back of the 150's or something? My 150's have two slot-holes so you can screw two screws into the wall and hang them on the screw heads. Heck, I even have them mounted this way in a corner via some creative work with a slice of 2x4 cut at just the right angle behind the speaker - you can't even tell.
That looks pretty good there Calvin. How tall are your ceilings? I am planning on putting my 150's about 5.5' off the floor and possible my C25 would be much closer to my ceiling in between my two 150's. My ceilings are about 7.5'. The 150's are spread out further and fire towards the sweet spot whereas the C25 will fire directly towards the front of my room. Your pics do give me some ideas. Thanks for posting them.
audiofreak38
02-27-07, 03:43 PM
Thats not a bad idea at all. Might have to give that a shot. Thanks for the idea!
Hey, if you do that be sure to let me as well as the rest of us know how it worked out for you. Right now Vanns does not have the PC350 in stock. When they do I am going to get one and will post some of my impressions.
audiofreak38
02-27-07, 03:51 PM
Thanks for the quick response.
Will the 150s cut it for front speaker duty? Seems most people here have the 250s or 360s for fronts, but I can't have speakers on stands. My 2 small children would make quick work of them, so I need bookshelfs.
Buff, the 150's would work just fine provided you have a decent powered subwoofer. The advantage by using say the 360's is that they offer more dynamic capability at louder volumes. In other words, the 360's will play louder with less strain(distortion) at higher (reference) levels whereas the 150's would reach high levels of distortion sooner. There is nothing wrong with using the 150's as fronts inmho. Hope this helps. :) :)
Buffarino
02-27-07, 04:11 PM
Buff, the 150's would work just fine provided you have a decent powered subwoofer. The advantage by using say the 360's is that they offer more dynamic capability at louder volumes. In other words, the 360's will play louder with less strain(distortion) at higher (reference) levels whereas the 150's would reach high levels of distortion sooner. There is nothing wrong with using the 150's as fronts inmho. Hope this helps. :) :)
Thanks. I am definitely adding a good sub to the setup, I just haven't decided which one yet (although I've certainly heard plenty of good things about the BIC H100). I seriously doubt I'll be pushing these speakers to their limits often, I just want a high quality movie experience without breaking the bank.
calvinlc
02-28-07, 12:54 AM
That looks pretty good there Calvin. How tall are your ceilings? I am planning on putting my 150's about 5.5' off the floor and possible my C25 would be much closer to my ceiling in between my two 150's. My ceilings are about 7.5'. The 150's are spread out further and fire towards the sweet spot whereas the C25 will fire directly towards the front of my room. Your pics do give me some ideas. Thanks for posting them.
Where you see the speakers mounted the ceiling is about 7.5 feet (back of the room), sloping towards an 11 foot height at the front of the room. Bottom of the speaker is about 6.5 feet - aesthetics over sound for these particular locations. This room definitely presented a bunch of challenges as most family room areas do. This one actually has to encompass the kitchen eating area as well. I just put the rear speakers in the back corners and aimed them such that they are pointed at the center listening positiion, doesn't quite follow the DVD Audio suggested angles but it's got the same general idea going. I then adjusted the levels on the individual speakers to get the proper sound volume blend.
One of the cool things about my HK receiver is the ability to associate different speaker volume settings/crossover points with different formatted material, for instance a Dolby Digital setting can be totally different than a Stereo CD setting set to 5 Channel mode, and that can be totally different than the DVD Audio setting in 6 channel direct mode. It may be that most receivers have this feature but this is the first one I have had with it and it is really cool.
audiofreak38
02-28-07, 06:22 PM
Where you see the speakers mounted the ceiling is about 7.5 feet (back of the room), sloping towards an 11 foot height at the front of the room. Bottom of the speaker is about 6.5 feet - aesthetics over sound for these particular locations. This room definitely presented a bunch of challenges as most family room areas do. This one actually has to encompass the kitchen eating area as well. I just put the rear speakers in the back corners and aimed them such that they are pointed at the center listening positiion, doesn't quite follow the DVD Audio suggested angles but it's got the same general idea going. I then adjusted the levels on the individual speakers to get the proper sound volume blend.
One of the cool things about my HK receiver is the ability to associate different speaker volume settings/crossover points with different formatted material, for instance a Dolby Digital setting can be totally different than a Stereo CD setting set to 5 Channel mode, and that can be totally different than the DVD Audio setting in 6 channel direct mode. It may be that most receivers have this feature but this is the first one I have had with it and it is really cool.
Yeah the HK's are nice. When I was given a Rocket speaker demo the guy had a HK 7300. Let me just say that is one heck of a receiver. Lots of power and weighs like 60 lbs. Sounds like to me you are on top of your ht. Keep up the good work.
Augmont
03-01-07, 12:48 PM
I've slowly been building my HT. With a recent TV upgrade, my next step is to upgrade my fronts.
I'm currently using 150's as my fronts and would like to go to the towers. I have the C25 as my center (i really love it). Thinking of the 360's but with limited stock from reputable vendors its leaving me to think that my only choice might be the 250's. The towers will most likely be my last major purchase for sound for quite awhile.
So my question is should I continue to hunt for 360's or go for the 250's?
I'll push my 150's to the rear in my 7.1 setup. I bought an Onkyo HTIB (HTS780) about 18 months ago. I still use the sub and the surround speakers from this set.
tysonmax
03-01-07, 01:08 PM
I've slowly been building my HT. With a recent TV upgrade, my next step is to upgrade my fronts.
I'm currently using 150's as my fronts and would like to go to the towers. I have the C25 as my center (i really love it). Thinking of the 360's but with limited stock from reputable vendors its leaving me to think that my only choice might be the 250's. The towers will mostly like be my last major purchase for sound for quite awhile.
So my question is should I continue to hunt for 360's or go for the 250's?
I'll push my 150's to the rear in my 7.1 setup. I bought an Onkyo HTIB (HTS780) about 18 months ago. I still use the sub and the surround speakers from this set.
Check ebay..Harmon Audio is selling 1 set of 360's everyday until they run out. They give the full 5 year warranty with them as well. Good Luck
Augmont
03-01-07, 03:09 PM
Check ebay..Harmon Audio is selling 1 set of 360's everyday until they run out. They give the full 5 year warranty with them as well. Good Luck
i'll keep an eye on them.
Buffarino
03-01-07, 03:29 PM
I've slowly been building my HT. With a recent TV upgrade, my next step is to upgrade my fronts.
I'm currently using 150's as my fronts and would like to go to the towers. I have the C25 as my center (i really love it). Thinking of the 360's but with limited stock from reputable vendors its leaving me to think that my only choice might be the 250's. The towers will most likely be my last major purchase for sound for quite awhile.
So my question is should I continue to hunt for 360's or go for the 250's?
I'll push my 150's to the rear in my 7.1 setup. I bought an Onkyo HTIB (HTS780) about 18 months ago. I still use the sub and the surround speakers from this set.
Obviously the 150s are not the end-all for fronts, but have you been pleased with them overall? What don't you like about them that is driving you to upgrade? I'm considering using them for fronts (as mentioned above, I need bookshelfs for fronts due to small children) and I love the price.
Augmont
03-01-07, 04:19 PM
Obviously the 150s are not the end-all for fronts, but have you been pleased with them overall? What don't you like about them that is driving you to upgrade? I'm considering using them for fronts (as mentioned above, I need bookshelfs for fronts due to small children) and I love the price.
I've been very pleased with them and they were a huge upgrade from my HTIB speakers.
I'm hoping to get a more complete and driving sound with the 360's (hope that makes sense). I was at a friend's house recently helping him tweak a TV set that we both have. What i notice was that his sound system had a deeper, richer sound to it that filled up the room. I know he has floor standing Klipsch but not sure what models.
By moving my 150's to the back, it's only going to be that much better.
Got my Primus 362 bundle from Vanns' on Tuesday. What a great company! Well packed in huge double-boxes that came via FedEx but in a separate type truck and just a week to get to me with free shipping and no tax.
Unfortunately, I can't really hook them up yet as my theater room is not ready yet (I just ordered to make sure I didn't miss out on the $1000 deal). They're definitely excellent quality in the weight and finish, with two sets of removable legs for the 362's. If any one needs any pics of the speakers or questions, I'd be happy to try and help out. What I got:
Two Primus 362 floor speakers
One Primus PC350 center channel (this guy is BIG)
Two Primus 152 bookshelf speakers
One Primus PS212 subwoofer
All this for a grand! I'm a happy camper!
Buffarino
03-01-07, 04:47 PM
I've been very pleased with them and they were a huge upgrade from my HTIB speakers.
I'm hoping to get a more complete and driving sound with the 360's (hope that makes sense). I was at a friend's house recently helping him tweak a TV set that we both have. What i notice was that his sound system had a deeper, richer sound to it that filled up the room. I know he has floor standing Klipsch but not sure what models.
By moving my 150's to the back, it's only going to be that much better.
That definitely makes sense and I know the 250/360s are definitely better for front duty. Just want to make sure I'm not going to regret going with the 150s up front (and c25 center). I can always upgrade in a couple years, but I don't want to be disappointed on the front end.
tysonmax
03-01-07, 08:28 PM
Two Primus 362 floor speakers
One Primus PC350 center channel (this guy is BIG)
Two Primus 152 bookshelf speakers
One Primus PS212 subwoofer
Please post some pics of each when you unbox them, I'm sure we'd all like to see real pictures of the newer models !! :)
jerseydevil854
03-02-07, 12:30 AM
Just got my 2 Primus 362's, 1 Primus C250, 2 Primus 152's, and the PS212 sub....After hooking it all up and listening to a couple quick movies and playing some games, all i have to say is WOW! Amazing system....and the sub is unbelievably awesome as well! Very impressed as was everyone that has come in to listen to it. This system will defintely not disappoint you!
Please post some pics of each when you unbox them, I'm sure we'd all like to see real pictures of the newer models !! :)
Here are some pics of the Primus 362 series:
From left to right: P362, PC350 (standing up), P152
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01642.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01644.jpg
ps212 subwoofer
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01646.jpg
back of P152
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01643.jpg
back panel of PS212
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w145/columbine420/DSC01648.jpg
HTRMikeD
03-03-07, 01:34 AM
That center channel is HUGE!
--Mike
tysonmax
03-03-07, 06:32 PM
I'm drooling over that center channel!!!
I am selling a PS-12 on ebay for 199.99. Search for it by typing in PS-12. My ebay id is papi_jj. I also take local pickups if you can. The speaker is in flawless condition with no blemishes or scratches.
I could use some help with my system. I have
250's up front
c25 for the center
140's for the rear surround
Reciever is a sony str-de875
It gives me the option to change the sp hz of each channel. I have the center at 100hz, front at 80hz, and the rears at 80hz. All speakers are set to small. I have a yamaha subwoofer, and a sony subwoofer to handle my lfe. I wanted to make sure those settings are correct.
Can someone let me know where I can find a PS212 for a good price?
tdogroeder
03-06-07, 08:23 AM
Which Infinities are the better ones, Primus or Beta?
Or are they equals?
Can someone tell me how the 140s compare to the 150s. I dont have much room they will be use for the fronts with a primus center C25 and an Onkyo sub that came with the S590. I will change the sub out a little later. They will be used for movies and tv 85% of the time. I am changing out the speakers that came with the S590 it is a small room and I am only using the fronts, center and sub.
thanks for you help, Mike J
Augmont
03-06-07, 01:42 PM
Can someone tell me how the 140s compare to the 150s. I dont have much room they will be use for the fronts with a primus center C25 and an Onkyo sub that came with the S590. I will change the sub out a little later. They will be used for movies and tv 85% of the time. I am changing out the speakers that came with the S590 it is a small room and I am only using the fronts, center and sub.
thanks for you help, Mike J
i don't have the 140's but if you can swing the 150's which i have, you won't be disappointed. I also have the c 25 and using the onkyo sub that came with my s780. Very good sound.
check out the specs to compare the two.
http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/Primus%20140,150,160%20OM%20FINAL.pdf
i don't have the 140's but if you can swing the 150's which i have, you won't be disappointed. I also have the c 25 and using the onkyo sub that came with my s780. Very good sound.
check out the specs to compare the two.
http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/Primus%20140,150,160%20OM%20FINAL.pdf
Thanks for the help, I wish the 150s where not as deep as they are . I dont mind the hight or the width. Does any one know if the 150s and the 152s sound the same.
Mike J
Augmont
03-06-07, 01:57 PM
Thanks for the help, I wish the 150s where not as deep as they are . I dont mind the hight or the width. Does any one know if the 150s and the 152s sound the same.
Mike J
From a spec wise, they are nearly identical with the 152's being a 1/4" taller but the width and depth are the same
http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/Primus%20140,150,160%20OM%20FINAL.pdf
http://manuals.harman.com/INF/HOM/Owner%27s%20Manual/INFP1859PrimusII-om-LowRes.pdf
HTRMikeD
03-06-07, 01:59 PM
Can someone let me know where I can find a PS212 for a good price?
Look two posts above yours #643. The 212 has more power than the ps12 that's really it. Depending on the size of the room the extra 100w may not really matter and you can get a 12. There may still be a few on ebay.
What's your budget like? The BIC-h100 and the JBL Venue 12" both go for about 250 shipped. That's less than Infinity and as good if not better depending on your personal preference.
--Mike
Which Infinities are the better ones, Primus or Beta?
Or are they equals?
The Beta series are superior to the Primus. The Primus are considered Infinity's "budget" line of speakers.
http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/category.aspx?catId=BFS
tdogroeder
03-06-07, 02:09 PM
The Beta series are superior to the Primus. The Primus are considered Infinity's "budget" line of speakers.
http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/category.aspx?catId=BFS
Thanks luna5.
Thanks luna5.
Your welcome...
I've had 2 Beta 50's front left and right,and a c360 center with 2 - c250's ( used as rear back surrounds) for a year and they all sound really great. Extremely smooth frequency response, very well made ( the 50's weigh in around 60lbs each) and the metal grills are just what our cat didn't want to see!
I bought them from:
http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/
I can't say enough about their customer service. Shipped the same day I ordered and arrived 2 days later with standard shipping, ( I'm only about 200 miles from their store).
tdogroeder
03-06-07, 03:35 PM
Your welcome...
I've had 2 Beta 50's front left and right,and a c360 center with 2 - c250's ( used as rear back surrounds) for a year and they all sound really great. Extremely smooth frequency response, very well made ( the 50's weigh in around 60lbs each) and the metal grills are just what our cat didn't want to see!
Since I have Focal JM-Lab Cobalt 816S's & CC800S, how will the Primus sound compared to them?
Are Infinity Primus know to be a nuetral, bright, or warm speaker?
Augmont
03-06-07, 05:34 PM
I've slowly been building my HT. With a recent TV upgrade, my next step is to upgrade my fronts.
I'm currently using 150's as my fronts and would like to go to the towers. I have the C25 as my center (i really love it). Thinking of the 360's but with limited stock from reputable vendors its leaving me to think that my only choice might be the 250's. The towers will most likely be my last major purchase for sound for quite awhile.
So my question is should I continue to hunt for 360's or go for the 250's?
I'll push my 150's to the rear in my 7.1 setup. I bought an Onkyo HTIB (HTS780) about 18 months ago. I still use the sub and the surround speakers from this set.
I'd like to hear from those previously had 250's and upgraded to the 360's and how would you compare one over the other. Trying to get a perspective for them since CC or BB don't carry the new line.
Like to know specifically if the mid-frequency driver made a big difference in a home theater environment.