Infinity Primus Owner's Thread

[HTRMikeD]

mike - what's "audessey"? I'm struggling with that word.

Onkyo's Auto Calibration/speaker set-up system. Pioneer has MACC. Yamha has YAPO--or something like that. You plug in the mic and it sets the db levels for speakers, crossovers, calculates distance, and sets the Auto equalizer.

Stuff like that.

You can do the same thing with a tape measure
SPL meter and test disc
set the cross over yourself.

EQ is challenging for me so I just you what the system sets or turn it off.

--Mike

[Augmont]

Onkyo's Auto Calibration/speaker set-up system. Pioneer has MACC. Yamha has YAPO--or something like that. You plug in the mic and it sets the db levels for speakers, crossovers, calculates distance, and sets the Auto equalizer.

Stuff like that.

You can do the same thing with a tape measure
SPL meter and test disc
set the cross over yourself.

EQ is challenging for me so I just you what the system sets or turn it off.

--Mike

Oh........my AV receiver model from Onkyo is not that complicated.

[ase8776]

Are the Infinity Primus 152s they sell on vanns.com the same as the 150s that people are talking about on this thread?

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542100069

Thanks

[calvinlc]

I'll decided to get the 360's (crossing fingers guy doesn't back out today). I'll end up (like Calvin) with 360's, 150's, and C25. I actually bought three 360's but i'll be selling one of them, possible on Ebay. Long story.

Mike and Calvin - what are your speaker sittings on your AV reciever (i.e large or small speaker size, crossover, etc.)? I have an Onkyo receiver and the manual says to set the speaker size to large and the cross over at 80. Just wondering what you found best. My sub isn't great but i won't be replacing it until next year.

I have mine set to small and 80Hz crossover. That was actually one of the benefits of going with the larger front speaker was that the bass matches more seamlessly with the sub because you can set the crossover low (80Hz) and still get good bass response down there with the 360's.

[calvinlc]

Are the Infinity Primus 152s they sell on vanns.com the same as the 150s that people are talking about on this thread?

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542100069

Thanks

Same speaker acoustically, just cosmetically different.

[forty9er]

Please rate my set up , I am new, and have been reading a ton on this site.

I have currently
56HM66 Toshiba 56" HD DLP
PS3

I have on the way
Denon 887 - $611
Infinity Primus PC350(1) $250
Infinity Primus P252 (2) $399.98
Infinity Primus P152 (4) $399.96
Infinity PS212 (1) FREE
Total for speakers: $1049.93
Total W/ Receiver: $1660.93

I feal I got a good deal on this set up. What do you think?

[cold_realms]

Not too bad, however while the reg speakers will get few / any complaints here you might get scolded for not getting something with a better sub (nothing wrong specifically with the infinity sub, but... well read the sub section for an explanation), in comparison the SVS 7.1 system with the 10" sub is only $1175.

Overall not bad, maybe sell the free sub to someone and build your own or at least step up to a better one.

[Cowboy420]

I agree..A better sub would do you good.. My SVS PB-10 sounds beautifully with my infinity 360's and 250's..

[ase8776]

What would you guys recommend as a stand for the Primus 150s? I saw these on crutchfield but didn't know if these would work because I haven't gotten the speakers yet. http://www.crutchfield.com/S-8qwR2fxVPdU/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=15800&I=051BF31B&search=speaker+stand

Thanks

[forty9er]

I agree..A better sub would do you good.. My SVS PB-10 sounds beautifully with my infinity 360's and 250's..


Thanks cold_realms and Cowboy420,

I took both of your guys advise and ordered a better sub, the SVS PB10-NSD. I got it at a real good price since SVS is offereing closeouts on a lot of their items. I picked up the silver one. I am pretty happy. Now I have to sell the PS 212, if anyone is interested I will sell it at a real reasonable price. Just PM me.

I can't wait till my stuff comes in, then I will have to find time to actually put this stuff up and calibrate it and all that fun stuff.

Thanks again guys and AVSFORUM members,
Steve

[cold_realms]

Let us know what you think of the new sub when you get it!

[Wingchun222]

Hello everyone, this is my first post here, although I have been reading this thread for some time now. Anyway, I have a question as to what speakers I should get next. My current set up is as follows:

Fronts - Primus p252's
Center - Primus pc250
Sub - Infinity PS10
Reciever - Onkyo TX-SR604
Westinghouse 47" LCD

I am not sure what I should get for my side and rear speakers to fill out the 7.1 setup. I wasnt sure if I should go with the P142's, P152,s or the P162's. I was kind of thinking with going for the 152's for the sides and the 142's for the rears. It seemed like it might be a waste of money to go with the P162's for those particular speakers. Didnt know if there was any advantage or disadvantage to having the bigger speakers for the sides or the rears. Thanks and this thread has been very helpful and I love the Infinity's that I already have!! Thank you all very much!

[Augmont]

There's lots of good word for SVS's PB10 but wondering if anyone has either the HSU's VTF-1 or STF-2 paired with their Infinity speakers and what they thought of them.

[cold_realms]

wingchung222 - I wrestled with the same issue when I bought my speakers (beta series infinities) and I can tell you that a surprisingly little amount of information comes out of the sides and rears. You will be fine with the 142's in the sides and rears and put that $$ into a better class sub (see post #758 above)

[audiofreak38]

I agree..A better sub would do you good.. My SVS PB-10 sounds beautifully with my infinity 360's and 250's..
Have to agree here regarding the SVS PB10-NSD. Finally have gotten mine properly calibrated and it sounds absolutely fantastic. Trust me folks, you will NOT be dissapointed with the PB10. I have owned a lot of powered subs including a Mirage S12, Paradigm PS1000 v.4, (2) Acoustic Research ARPR808 8" subs, Paradigm PDR12, and some cheapo Cerwin Vega that I can not even remember the model # AND none of them w/the exception of the Mirage S12 are even remotely close to the PB10 inmho. :) :) I will say, however, the S12 was louder above 40-50 Hz range and up but down low the PB10 is more linear. I also like how the PB10 sounds in that it is more tuneful if you will. Just still in shock at how well the PB10 sounds not to mention it is only a 10" powered sub. Imagine how awesome SVS's larger offerings would sound like.

[BowelShaker]

A Pair of like new (bought in Jan. 07) Primus 360's for $200, good deal/should I jump on it? I am pretty sure I am going to, just gotta arrange a time to meet with the guy and drive the 1.5 hours north to pick them up...

[mrjinglesusa]

A Pair of like new (bought in Jan. 07) Primus 360's for $200, good deal/should I jump on it? I am pretty sure I am going to, just gotta arrange a time to meet with the guy and drive the 1.5 hours north to pick them up...

Is that $200 for the PAIR or $200 EACH? If the former, that's a freakin' STEAL. If the latter, it's still a good deal considering you can't buy them retail anymore. Very happy with my 360s...

[BowelShaker]

Yeah, that's for the pair. Tis what I was thinking, just a matter of working out a time to meet now, both of us are pretty busy with end of the semester (college) work and what not especially me with Army/ROTC/ARNG stuff.. I'll be sure to post what I think when I get them though, may be a few weekds, unfortunately.

[tabuka]

There's lots of good word for SVS's PB10 but wondering if anyone has either the HSU's VTF-1 or STF-2 paired with their Infinity speakers and what they thought of them.

VTF-1 with 360s 150s and c25. Perfectly blends with them and is very musical.

[qboy]

I heard that some people stuff the fire port of a particular (Insignia) bookshelf speaker with cloth/sponge to make it sound better.

I don't know the theory behind this. Will this trick work for Infinity Primus speakers? Any one experimented with this?

[Augmont]

VTF-1 with 360s 150s and c25. Perfectly blends with them and is very musical.

Tabuka, how big is your listening area. I think i'm worrying too much on "pressurizing" a room and hitting that "low rumble" too much. I have a Onkyo sub that hits a brick wall 40hz. I want a good sub but i don't need it to hit 16 hz. and/or shatter my windows or knock off pictures on walls.

Anybody have a PS12 and what do you think of it?

[forty9er]

I have a ps12 in a box, I got the SVS 10". iF interested in the ps12, let me know, can cut a good deal. pm.

[tabuka]

Listening area is oddly shaped and about 3000 cu ft opening into kitchen. The amount of bass is dramatically different in different parts of the area. My listening levels are low to moderate but I can feel vibrations in the couch during explosions.

It won't hit 16 Hz but does 25 Hz perfectly fine (I always use it in max extension mode). You may consider vtf-2 as well, as per specs it will go louder and deeper.

[MingisDew]

Hello, hello. So its tax season and I'm going to upgrade my Yamaha satellites to some better speakers. I Auditioned the Primus series at Ultimate Electronics and like them (although the Klipsch in the same size range sounded a bit better but cost more) a lot. I found a rad deal online for 5 speakers. P362's for fronts, C250 for center and P162's for surrounds. This will pretty much drain my funds and I will not be able to buy a new sub so I will be stuck with my 100W Yamaha YST-SW010 down fire sub. Anyone here think I will need to upgrade it ASAP or if it will suffice for a while. I'm in a pretty small room.

EDIT: Its all being powered by a Yamaha 6.1 receiver with plenty of power.

Im sooo close to completing my HT.

[HTRMikeD]

Hello, hello. So its tax season and I'm going to upgrade my Yamaha satellites to some better speakers. I Auditioned the Primus series at Ultimate Electronics and like them (although the Klipsch in the same size range sounded a bit better but cost more) a lot. I found a rad deal online for 5 speakers. P362's for fronts, C250 for center and P162's for surrounds. This will pretty much drain my funds and I will not be able to buy a new sub so I will be stuck with my 100W Yamaha YST-SW010 down fire sub. Anyone here think I will need to upgrade it ASAP or if it will suffice for a while. I'm in a pretty small room.

EDIT: Its all being powered by a Yamaha 6.1 receiver with plenty of power.

Im sooo close to completing my HT.

Take your time and do it right.

The Yamaha sub won’t do anything with those 362s up front. I had a yst-sw1216 which is a 10’ front firing sub and was extremely disappointed with it when I went with 360s and the c25. . The Primus towers just over whelmed my sub and all I got was a little boom with no clarity and had to turn it way up…muddying everything.

I would get the front stage (Left Center Right) and Use the sats as surrounds…possibly 2 on the left and 2 on the right. Try that with your current sub first and see for yourself. My guess is that you’ll want a new sub.

Surrounds could be any good book shelf…like the 152s, 142s or something different. It is most important to have the frontt stage match. All speakers in the same line that are designed to go together is ideal but success can be had and not be ideal. The 162s might be overkill for surrounds as they are only for effects and the money would be better spent on a sub in the beginning. After that it won’t take long to save for a pair of book shelf’s for 5.1.

It really depends on the room. How large…open or closed …what your music/movie split is…budget…what kind of deal you can get...etc. You say smal room but how small? Mines is 12x14x9 and is closed. Stereo is more than enough for me and I recently took out my 2 rear 152s temporarily, DOWNGRADING to 5.1. 7.1 (or even 6.1) is better for movies IMO but in my room I'm really not missing a lot since its small...your tastes may be different. I'm also in an apartment so volume and timeing is a factor.

Try the 362s in stereo with the current sub and then without and hear the contribution, if any, the sub makes. You could also put the center that came with the stas in the back for 6.1...I know it sounds whacky but it’s just for experimentation.

I don't know what your budget is like but crutchfields has a deal where you get a free 10" Infinity sub if you purchase $789 of Primus...that’s 2 362s and the c250. Your 5 bucks shy of the offer so i'd call them and see if they'd honor it. For a small room a good 10" sub is enough IMO. I've got a different brand but it is 10". Heck you could get the 162 (about 1100 w/o shipping) and then ask them to honor the 12" sub offer. Or see if they do the 12" with a 362s, center and 152s...it's worth a shot.


--Mike

[coderguy]

I have a question regarding "almost no bass".

I have the following 5.0 setup:

(2) 360's for the front
C25 for center
(2) 140's for the rear


I am using a Pioneer VSX-816, and I just never hear any bass with this setup. I used 14AWG and my cable run to the 360's is under 12 feet, although I admit I had to use scissors to strip the wire and I lost some of the copper in doing so (should still be at least 18AWG and it's a short run). The room is about 30' by 30' since it's an open floor-plan, although it's partially blocked by one wall so it's really like 17' x 30'.

I don't expect any bass to come out of the rear 140's, but you'd think some would come out of the 360's. The setup sounds good for classical music, but for other types of music that require some bass, it sounds kind of flat.

Again, just no bass. I am not a bass fanatic, and I don't listen to rap music or anything, but I do want some bass. One thing to note is I am in an apartment and cannot turn them up very loud, so this might be why.

I'm wondeing if I might need to adjust the EQ on the receiver. Unfortunately, because of my HD TV setup, I cannot see the OSD of the Pioneer 816 except on the receiver itself. This seems to limit my options somewhat. I'm a stereo newbie, as I'm used to the old stereos with onboard EQ from the 80's and early 90's. It has a bass/treble adjustment but this is only for stereo (non surround) mode. The other thing is accoustic EQ, but that is kind of confusing as to how it relates bass-wise. Maybe I'm better off posting in the receiver forum, but not sure where the problem actually is.

If I get a sub-woofer, will it help the bass a lot even at low volumes?

[ducktailjiver]

I have a pair of JBL ND310's for my front speakers. (big fellas) a pair of N38's for the rears and a S center with an Acoustic research sub. I'm a little concerned about the timbre being right since some are from a different series but it sounds fine to me.
I'm still considering buying new speakers but there are sooo many types out there. I do tend to like a nice bright speaker with good mids since my music isnt really bass orientated, any ideas what would be good? just for the record my recievere/amp is a Pioneer VSX 1015TX.

Thanks
George

[Augmont]

I have a question regarding "almost no bass".

I have the following 5.0 setup:

(2) 360's for the front
C25 for center
(2) 140's for the rear


I am using a Pioneer VSX-816, and I just never hear any bass with this setup. I used 14AWG and my cable run to the 360's is under 12 feet, although I admit I had to use scissors to strip the wire and I lost some of the copper in doing so (should still be at least 18AWG and it's a short run). The room is about 30' by 30' since it's an open floor-plan, although it's partially blocked by one wall so it's really like 17' x 30'.

I don't expect any bass to come out of the rear 140's, but you'd think some would come out of the 360's. The setup sounds good for classical music, but for other types of music that require some bass, it sounds kind of flat.

Again, just no bass. I am not a bass fanatic, and I don't listen to rap music or anything, but I do want some bass. One thing to note is I am in an apartment and cannot turn them up very loud, so this might be why.

I'm wondeing if I might need to adjust the EQ on the receiver. Unfortunately, because of my HD TV setup, I cannot see the OSD of the Pioneer 816 except on the receiver itself. This seems to limit my options somewhat. I'm a stereo newbie, as I'm used to the old stereos with onboard EQ from the 80's and early 90's. It has a bass/treble adjustment but this is only for stereo (non surround) mode. The other thing is accoustic EQ, but that is kind of confusing as to how it relates bass-wise. Maybe I'm better off posting in the receiver forum, but not sure where the problem actually is.

If I get a sub-woofer, will it help the bass a lot even at low volumes?


As newbie too, i recommend reading your receiver manual. i've continuosly go back to my manual for reference on setup and functions of the various modes (stereo, DD, DD Ex, DTS, etc.). I'm surprised to realize that it did this and not that and helps you get a better understanding how things work.

The 360's have enough bass for music. I thinks it's your receiver settings. Also, if you haven't done so, calibrate your speakers with a Radio Shack SPL meter and tone noise tester on your receiver, or better yet a DVE or AVIA setup disc (more use down the road).

[bori]

I am selling a pair of Infinity Primus 160 speakers. They are in excellent working and looking condition for 80.00 for the pair. Search for Infinity primus 160 speakers on Ebay and my Ebay ID is Papi_jj. You will not be disappointed with this purchase these are a great pair of speakers.

[grubadub]

I have a question regarding "almost no bass".

I have the following 5.0 setup:

(2) 360's for the front
C25 for center
(2) 140's for the rear


I am using a Pioneer VSX-816, and I just never hear any bass with this setup. I used 14AWG and my cable run to the 360's is under 12 feet, although I admit I had to use scissors to strip the wire and I lost some of the copper in doing so (should still be at least 18AWG and it's a short run). The room is about 30' by 30' since it's an open floor-plan, although it's partially blocked by one wall so it's really like 17' x 30'.

I don't expect any bass to come out of the rear 140's, but you'd think some would come out of the 360's. The setup sounds good for classical music, but for other types of music that require some bass, it sounds kind of flat.

Again, just no bass. I am not a bass fanatic, and I don't listen to rap music or anything, but I do want some bass. One thing to note is I am in an apartment and cannot turn them up very loud, so this might be why.

I'm wondeing if I might need to adjust the EQ on the receiver. Unfortunately, because of my HD TV setup, I cannot see the OSD of the Pioneer 816 except on the receiver itself. This seems to limit my options somewhat. I'm a stereo newbie, as I'm used to the old stereos with onboard EQ from the 80's and early 90's. It has a bass/treble adjustment but this is only for stereo (non surround) mode. The other thing is accoustic EQ, but that is kind of confusing as to how it relates bass-wise. Maybe I'm better off posting in the receiver forum, but not sure where the problem actually is.

If I get a sub-woofer, will it help the bass a lot even at low volumes?


did you use the MCACC for setup? it's pretty easy and it works very well.

[audiofreak38]

I have a question regarding "almost no bass".

I have the following 5.0 setup:

(2) 360's for the front
C25 for center
(2) 140's for the rear


I am using a Pioneer VSX-816, and I just never hear any bass with this setup. I used 14AWG and my cable run to the 360's is under 12 feet, although I admit I had to use scissors to strip the wire and I lost some of the copper in doing so (should still be at least 18AWG and it's a short run). The room is about 30' by 30' since it's an open floor-plan, although it's partially blocked by one wall so it's really like 17' x 30'.

I don't expect any bass to come out of the rear 140's, but you'd think some would come out of the 360's. The setup sounds good for classical music, but for other types of music that require some bass, it sounds kind of flat.

Again, just no bass. I am not a bass fanatic, and I don't listen to rap music or anything, but I do want some bass. One thing to note is I am in an apartment and cannot turn them up very loud, so this might be why.

I'm wondeing if I might need to adjust the EQ on the receiver. Unfortunately, because of my HD TV setup, I cannot see the OSD of the Pioneer 816 except on the receiver itself. This seems to limit my options somewhat. I'm a stereo newbie, as I'm used to the old stereos with onboard EQ from the 80's and early 90's. It has a bass/treble adjustment but this is only for stereo (non surround) mode. The other thing is accoustic EQ, but that is kind of confusing as to how it relates bass-wise. Maybe I'm better off posting in the receiver forum, but not sure where the problem actually is.

If I get a sub-woofer, will it help the bass a lot even at low volumes?
Getting a sub will surely make a big difference. However, if you set the fronts to "large" you should get more bass out of the 360's. Also, if you place the 360's closer to a wall this in most cases will yield more bass as well. Hope this helps. Good luck. :) :)

[BowelShaker]

bori you have a PM inbound.

[itachi23]

I've been looking at the Primus 362's for fronts, as I'll be starting out with 2.1 and working my way up to 7.1

Would those floorstanding Primus speakers be overkill for my 12 x 16 x 9 living room???

[jwilly2]

I've been looking at the Primus 362's for fronts, as I'll be starting out with 2.1 and working my way up to 7.1

Would those floorstanding Primus speakers be overkill for my 12 x 16 x 9 living room???


I've had my 362's for about a month now, and I am very satisfied with them....my room is only slightly larger than your's. If you are going to use them for now without a sub, I would probably set them to full range....they are very capable of 'standing alone' and putting out some nice bass. I have mine paired with a 12" Infinity sub, so instead of having them set to full range, I run my Xover at 80, which allows them to breathe a little. IMO, your room is big enough for the 362's.....I would recommend them highly!!! Enjoy!

[Mark Strube]

I have a question about crossover... I've been reading through this thread, but I am a bit confused with the best setting for my particular setup.

I'm using a Pioneer VSX-816 receiver, Infinity PS-12 subwoofer, 2x Primus 360 fronts, Primus C25 center, and 4x Primus 150 rears, for a 7.1 setup.

Now, while my receiver has the automatic calibration, the subwoofer crossover setting is still manual, and has a single setting that's used for all speakers. I've had that set at 80hz, with all my speakers set to large so they still get a shot at those lower frequencies. (Large is also the setting that the calibration automatically finds.)

Since the center channel's lowest frequency, according to specifications, is 80hz... might setting my overall crossover for that 80hz be cutting it a bit close? If I set the crossover to 100hz (the next available setting), might that be too much overlap? Should I set all my speakers to Small to avoid overlap and decrease stress on the speakers? (I do tend to like the "full" sound that the individual speakers have at some scenes in movies with no help from the sub, but if setting them to Small will make the bass punchier and more impressive, I'm all for it.)

Also, something I've been wondering about - the .1 LFE channel in movie soundtracks... how high in hz does that sound data go? If it hits something above 80hz for example, is that then only sent to my normal speakers and not the sub?

Thanks for any advice!

[grubadub]

I have a question about crossover... I've been reading through this thread, but I am a bit confused with the best setting for my particular setup.

I'm using a Pioneer VSX-816 receiver, Infinity PS-12 subwoofer, 2x Primus 360 fronts, Primus C25 center, and 4x Primus 150 rears, for a 7.1 setup.

Now, while my receiver has the automatic calibration, the subwoofer crossover setting is still manual, and has a single setting that's used for all speakers. I've had that set at 80hz, with all my speakers set to large so they still get a shot at those lower frequencies. (Large is also the setting that the calibration automatically finds.)

Since the center channel's lowest frequency, according to specifications, is 80hz... might setting my overall crossover for that 80hz be cutting it a bit close? If I set the crossover to 100hz (the next available setting), might that be too much overlap? Should I set all my speakers to Small to avoid overlap and decrease stress on the speakers? (I do tend to like the "full" sound that the individual speakers have at some scenes in movies with no help from the sub, but if setting them to Small will make the bass punchier and more impressive, I'm all for it.)

Also, something I've been wondering about - the .1 LFE channel in movie soundtracks... how high in hz does that sound data go? If it hits something above 80hz for example, is that then only sent to my normal speakers and not the sub?

Thanks for any advice!


i have the same receiver, fronts and center that you do. after much reading and research (i'm still learning a lot), i set my crossover at 80hz while setting all speakers to "small" (even the 360's). i previously had the 360's set to large but i think it sounds a little better now. from what i've read the crossover setting is not a "brick wall". even if you have your crossover set at 80hz, there will still be frequencies below 80 sent to the non-sub speakers.

try it out and let us know what your impressions are.

[HTRMikeD]

I have a question about crossover... I've been reading through this thread, but I am a bit confused with the best setting for my particular setup.

I'm using a Pioneer VSX-816 receiver, Infinity PS-12 subwoofer, 2x Primus 360 fronts, Primus C25 center, and 4x Primus 150 rears, for a 7.1 setup.

Now, while my receiver has the automatic calibration, the subwoofer crossover setting is still manual, and has a single setting that's used for all speakers. I've had that set at 80hz, with all my speakers set to large so they still get a shot at those lower frequencies. (Large is also the setting that the calibration automatically finds.)

Since the center channel's lowest frequency, according to specifications, is 80hz... might setting my overall crossover for that 80hz be cutting it a bit close? If I set the crossover to 100hz (the next available setting), might that be too much overlap? Should I set all my speakers to Small to avoid overlap and decrease stress on the speakers? (I do tend to like the "full" sound that the individual speakers have at some scenes in movies with no help from the sub, but if setting them to Small will make the bass punchier and more impressive, I'm all for it.)

Also, something I've been wondering about - the .1 LFE channel in movie soundtracks... how high in hz does that sound data go? If it hits something above 80hz for example, is that then only sent to my normal speakers and not the sub?

Thanks for any advice!

Those automatic set-ups in A/V receivers have a tendency to set speakers to LARGE when their frequency response goes below 80hz.

Technically you don't want full range going to a speaker that can't handle it. The 150s can't handle full range and the speakers a re stressed trying to reproduce a frequency it was never designed to. The 360's can handle full range--for music but I would not have them set to large during movies. Again they just weren't designed to reproduce 20hz frequencies.

With that said, after the auto calibration i would set all the speaker to "small" with x-over at 80hz to start. Personally, I have my 360s set at 60hz, my 4 150s and center at 80 and the sub at 80.

There is roll-off with x-over settings. What that means is you have +-5 to 10 or so in each direction of the x-over point. A center set at 80 will most likely get freq. down to 75-70hz and everything above. Also, the lowest freq. level of a speaker doesn't necessarily mean it is the lowes ot can go but I hear what you are saying. Infinity makes great speakers so I think the c25 can handle it. A sub set at 80 will get freq up to about 85-90hz and everything below. There is overlap and that is a good thing. I forget what the exact freq. response of the c25 is but if it is 80hz then you could set it to 100 on the receiver if that makes you more comfortable--then listen and pick what you like best.

--Mike

[Gary*w*]

I've got 360's in front, C-25 center, 160's on the sides and 150's in rear of a 7.1 setup and PS10 sub. I keep the 360's set to large, the center, sides and rear set to small and my X-over at 60hz.

But like Mike said go with what sounds best to you.

[chaderickson]

Hey guys. I found some 250s for $150 ea. I am currently using 160s as mains in a room thats about 17x20x10. Would there be any real advantage to upgrading the mains to 250s? I like the larger driver on the 160s. What do you think?

I also have the PS10 for added bass. Also, I use them mostly for 2ch music.

[Augmont]

I've got 360's in front, C-25 center, 160's on the sides and 150's in rear of a 7.1 setup and PS10 sub. I keep the 360's set to large, the center, sides and rear set to small and my X-over at 60hz.

But like Mike said go with what sounds best to you.

I tried those settings last night and i liked what i heard. After reading a bit more, i believe i get what the "small" and "large" settings do. I was concerned of damaging my center and rears with x-over set at 60.

[BowelShaker]

Just go back from picking up a pair of 360's from a guy in KY... I think they look beautiful, quite nice indeed. Now I have to get a receiver to power them.. :-(

Does anybody have any suggestions for a cheap (price) 2.1 stereo receiver that puts out good clear power to power these that I could use until the new 1.3a HDMI supported receivers come out over the summer? I appreciate all suggestions, new or used, doesn't really matter to me, as long as it works as it should and puts otu good, clean power! Thanks ahead of time.

[coderguy]

You need to buy a 5.1 or a 7.1 receiver. Anything less than 5.1 is probably not good and it's almost as expensive anyways. Sony, Teac, Sherwood all make 2.0, but I don't think it has a sub-woofer conncetion (hence no .1). The Sherwoods and Teacs are cheap, but I doubt they are any good at all.

If it were me, I'd get the Pioneer VSX-516 or the lower-end Dennons (refurb'd) or Onkyo's (refurb'd or new). The VSX-516 is the best deal, you pay barely more than the lowest end Onkyo and you still get 7.1 plus 100 watts per channel.

Go for a 5.1 or 7.1 receiver.

ecost.com has some MFR recertified 7.1 Denon's for well under $200. I've never ordered anything from them though. They are only 75 watts per channel though.

Circuit City online has some coupon offers sometimes, and you can pick stuff up directly at the store after ordering it. You can find good prices sometimes.

Onkyo themselves have an online store you can get MFR refurbished stuff from, I don't have the link on me, but you can go to onkyo.com and find it.

[Mark Strube]

The Sherwoods and Teacs are cheap, but I doubt they are any good at all.

Hang on there. ;)

Sherwood's are quite good. I currently own 2 of them (and a third I gave to a friend), they are workhorses. Very clear sound - never a problem. They've lasted me many years. (I've also been known to abuse them with very high volumes... they take it like champs.)

I'll recommend a Sherwood as a good starter receiver without hesitation... but if you want to go a little higher end without breaking the bank, I'd also highly recommend the Pioneer VSX-816, especially since it has the great auto calibration feature, and supports 7.1.

Stay away from KLH receivers.

[coderguy]

It's hard to justify spending $120 to $140 on a 2.0, when you can get a name brand 7.1 or 5.1 for $165 with free shipping.

[Mark Strube]

I was referring to Sherwood's surround sound receivers, I probably should've specified. Could you link to that deal you're talking about? It'd be interesting to compare specs.

[coderguy]

Can't link and not supposed to discuss prices (so I am probably already in violation).

Check froogle.com for vsx-516, there are several places around this price. It is 100 watts per channel x 7. It's almost the same unit as the VSX-816 but without the MCACC (automatic sound & level calibrator).

[audiofreak38]

Just go back from picking up a pair of 360's from a guy in KY... I think they look beautiful, quite nice indeed. Now I have to get a receiver to power them.. :-(

Does anybody have any suggestions for a cheap (price) 2.1 stereo receiver that puts out good clear power to power these that I could use until the new 1.3a HDMI supported receivers come out over the summer? I appreciate all suggestions, new or used, doesn't really matter to me, as long as it works as it should and puts otu good, clean power! Thanks ahead of time.
What part of KY are you referring to? I am in West KY here just across the river from Evansville, IN. Am just curious as it is always good to see other forum members here that reside close by. :) :)

[audiofreak38]

i have the same receiver, fronts and center that you do. after much reading and research (i'm still learning a lot), i set my crossover at 80hz while setting all speakers to "small" (even the 360's). i previously had the 360's set to large but i think it sounds a little better now. from what i've read the crossover setting is not a "brick wall". even if you have your crossover set at 80hz, there will still be frequencies below 80 sent to the non-sub speakers.

try it out and let us know what your impressions are.
Most receivers have a 2nd order crossover or 12db/octave built in. If you wanted a "more brick-wall" type of crossover the slope would have to be much steeper such as a 4th order or 24db/octave. However, 12 db/ocatve is fine for most purposes even though there is still some output (roll-off) below OR above depending on wether or not it is a High Pass or a Low Pass X-over. Hence, if it is set to Low Pass it will have some roll-off below above the X-over point whereas if it is a High Pass will result in roll-off below the X-over point. The higher (order) the slope the less roll-off you have regardless of the X-over point. Hope this helps. :) :)

[morgasm89]

Do they make the PC350 with a cherry finish?

[BowelShaker]

Thanks for all the responses guys! I had actually been looking more and more into it and there really is no point, as you guys pointed out, to getting a stereo receiver when you can get a 5.1 or 7.1 with more power from Onkyo, Pioneer, or Denon for a little bit more. I had actually been looking at the VSX-516, 517 and the 816 receivers from Pioneer as they are cheaply priced and specs look good for what I want right now. Another difference between the 516 and the 816 looks like the 816 has an extra 10 watts/chnl, not a big deal, but still there. Does anyone know the difference between the 516 and the 517? I think the only differences may be that the 517 has 10 more watts/chnl and it's a 5.1 receiver, whereas the 516 is a 7.1 with 100w/chnl; correct me if I am wrong though.

What part of KY are you referring to? I am in West KY here just across the river from Evansville, IN. Am just curious as it is always good to see other forum members here that reside close by. :) :)
I actually live in TN, home home is in Chattanooga but I go to school in Murfreesboro (a little south of Nashville). I drove up to Bowling Green to meet the guy (he came down from Greenburg) to pick up the speakers. But yes, it is always nice to know of other forums members close by! :-D

[audiofreak38]

Thanks for all the responses guys! I had actually been looking more and more into it and there really is no point, as you guys pointed out, to getting a stereo receiver when you can get a 5.1 or 7.1 with more power from Onkyo, Pioneer, or Denon for a little bit more. I had actually been looking at the VSX-516, 517 and the 816 receivers from Pioneer as they are cheaply priced and specs look good for what I want right now. Another difference between the 516 and the 816 looks like the 816 has an extra 10 watts/chnl, not a big deal, but still there. Does anyone know the difference between the 516 and the 517? I think the only differences may be that the 517 has 10 more watts/chnl and it's a 5.1 receiver, whereas the 516 is a 7.1 with 100w/chnl; correct me if I am wrong though.


I actually live in TN, home home is in Chattanooga but I go to school in Murfreesboro (a little south of Nashville). I drove up to Bowling Green to meet the guy (he came down from Greenburg) to pick up the speakers. But yes, it is always nice to know of other forums members close by! :-D
That is cool dude. I use to reside in Bowling Green in my college days. I even have marched on the MTSU field back in my high school marching band days as we made finals. That area has some great high school marching bands. The MTSU marching band is always very good. Nice to meet you. Have a great day. :) :)

[Gary*w*]

That is cool dude. I use to reside in Bowling Green in my college days. I even have marched on the MTSU field back in my high school marching band days as we made finals. That area has some great high school marching bands. The MTSU marching band is always very good. Nice to meet you. Have a great day. :) :)

Go Raiders GO!

[Gmichael2]

I've had my Primus set up for over 2 years now. They still sound great to me.

360's - fronts
150's - surrounds & rears
C-25 - center
Had the PS-12 but our room is too big (24 x 28). Replaced by a Titanic 15"er.
Powered by a Yamaha RX-V2500
Everything set to small
Crossovers at 80htz

I couldn't be happier if I were a pig in sh.t.

[audiofreak38]

Go Raiders GO!
Sorry I am one true die-hard Kentucky Wildcat fan!!!!!! :D :D But, MTSU does have an awesome Marching Band. Besides, I also like Bruce Pearl as he use to coach at the University of Southern Indiana where I graduated from. :p :p

[Mark Strube]

I've had my Primus set up for over 2 years now. They still sound great to me.

360's - fronts
150's - surrounds & rears
C-25 - center
Had the PS-12 but our room is too big (24 x 28). Replaced by a Titanic 15"er.
Powered by a Yamaha RX-V2500
Everything set to small
Crossovers at 80htz

I couldn't be happier if I were a pig in sh.t.

Nice! These are the settings I ended up with... only difference with mine, I've decided to set the 360's to "large." When I set them to small the subwoofer went a little crazy, and I like keeping the automatically found levels from my auto calibration.

[Gmichael2]

Nice! These are the settings I ended up with... only difference with mine, I've decided to set the 360's to "large." When I set them to small the subwoofer went a little crazy, and I like keeping the automatically found levels from my auto calibration.

At lower volumes I like them set to large better also. But when turned up louder, the base seems tighter from just the sub.
The 2500 lets me save six different set-ups. I switch when needed (HT, music, loud, soft, TV-movie, TV-sports) Some have more center & less sub. Some have less center & more sub. Etc.....

[afidel]

I've been looking at the Primus 362's for fronts, as I'll be starting out with 2.1 and working my way up to 7.1

Would those floorstanding Primus speakers be overkill for my 12 x 16 x 9 living room???

Not at all, mine is 11x18x10 and I wouldn't say they come close to overpowering the room.

[mrjinglesusa]

I've had my Primus set up for over 2 years now. They still sound great to me.

360's - fronts
150's - surrounds & rears
C-25 - center
Had the PS-12 but our room is too big (24 x 28). Replaced by a Titanic 15"er.
Powered by a Yamaha RX-V2500
Everything set to small
Crossovers at 80htz

I couldn't be happier if I were a pig in sh.t.

Same set-up here but with 160s for the surrounds (no rears) and a PS-10 sub. 80 cross-over and everything set to small. I used the auto set-up and then tweaked it with AVIA test tones and an SPL meter. I'm very happy with the sound quality and the PS-10 puts out plenty of bass for my room. Someday....an SVS sub will replace the PS-10.

[BowelShaker]

Go Raiders GO!
You betchya! Where abouts Middle TN are you? Just curious. :-)

[triage1998]

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[Gary*w*]

You betchya! Where abouts Middle TN are you? Just curious. :-)

on the edge of the Boro & Smyrna

[BowelShaker]

Sweet, I'm right in the middle of the Boro!

Now, to make this a post worthy of the Primus Owners Thread...what is the max gauge wire the 360's can handle? Also, can they take banana plugs and if so, is it even worth the $$$ for them? Thanks!

[Gary*w*]

Sweet, I'm right in the middle of the Boro!

Now, to make this a post worthy of the Primus Owners Thread...what is the max gauge wire the 360's can handle? Also, can they take banana plugs and if so, is it even worth the $$$ for them? Thanks!

Not sure of the max gauge but yes they can take banana plugs. The plugs are more of a convieniance thing really.

[huskerpat]

May as well add my 2 cents. have 2 150's for fronts with a c25 center. got an old velodyne sub and some jbl's for rears. I'm using them with an HK 430. I'm pretty happy with the Primus.

[BowelShaker]

If we are unsure of the max gauge wire they can handle, any suggestions of what would be good to run, i'm thinking just bare wire on the speaker posts and then b. plugs for the receiver end. Was thinking 12 AWG wire but did not know if that woul dbe too big or not.

[axs]

If we are unsure of the max gauge wire they can handle, any suggestions of what would be good to run, i'm thinking just bare wire on the speaker posts and then b. plugs for the receiver end. Was thinking 12 AWG wire but did not know if that woul dbe too big or not.
I am now using 14 gauge with 360s, but you can use 12 gauge wire with 360s too. It is not an issue at all.

[aboroth00]

I used 16ga cable on my Primuses. No difference if you use 12ga or any thicker ga unless youre running a lot of watts with high current (which i doubt) or the speakers are 100 feet away. There are no tangible benefits of using thicker gauges on these speakers except the benefit of fulfilling your ego.

[Mark Strube]

There are no tangible benefits of using thicker gauges on these speakers except the benefit of fulfilling your ego.

Uh... or because you like sturdier wiring. Or then you don't have to rewire everything if you upgrade to more powerful speakers/receiver. But ya know, must just be my ego. :rolleyes:

[BowelShaker]

Hehe, alrighty, thanks for the info/input guys, always helpful.

[Rassilon]

HI all. I just got a new set of Primus speakers and had a question on some of the settings for em. Here is what I have:

2x P362's up front.
PC350 center
2x p152's in the rear
PS212 sub.

Powering it I have a Yamaha RX-V1500.

After messing around with them for a few days I must say that I'm really pleased with them. After reading through most of this thread I'm still a little confused by a few things so hopefully someone can clear them up.

I ran the automatic configuration and made some adjustments after it was completed (crossover set at 80, all speakers set to small (the 362s should be set as this also, right)). One thing I'm unsure of, however, is how to set the bass management. I have options for sub only, fronts only, or both. Is there a preferred way to set this? I've done some a/b switching between sub only and mixed and the sound is pretty similar (maybe a little cleaner on sub only, but it's really close)

Any input would be appreciated, thanks!

[HTRMikeD]

HI all. I just got a new set of Primus speakers and had a question on some of the settings for em. Here is what I have:

2x P362's up front.
PC350 center
2x p152's in the rear
PS212 sub.

Powering it I have a Yamaha RX-V1500.

After messing around with them for a few days I must say that I'm really pleased with them. After reading through most of this thread I'm still a little confused by a few things so hopefully someone can clear them up.

I ran the automatic configuration and made some adjustments after it was completed (crossover set at 80, all speakers set to small (the 362s should be set as this also, right)). One thing I'm unsure of, however, is how to set the bass management. I have options for sub only, fronts only, or both. Is there a preferred way to set this? I've done some a/b switching between sub only and mixed and the sound is pretty similar (maybe a little cleaner on sub only, but it's really close)

Any input would be appreciated, thanks!

I've got my 360s crossed over at 60hz and the sub at 80 because the AVR doesn't allow me to set the sub lower than 80hz. I'm not familiar with your AVR but you should have fronts and sub going...just make sure that the fronts are crossed-over. What you don't want is a "double-bass" effect where the fronts get the full-frequency and the sub gets the LFE.

Put simply: If you can cross-over the fronts and the sub to 80 and they both play then your good to go.

With music I've found the 360s to be able to go it alone w/o a sub but with the sub there is a fullness of bass in the room.

--Mike

[HTRMikeD]

I have had my 360's for a about a week and I'm very happy with them. They filled my room the way i expected and after watching a few movies it makes the experience just that much better.

I have yet to hook up my 150's as rear as I'm still negotiating with my wife on the final locations. I have smaller surrounds up but the size of the 150's haven't passed the WAF.

As its been said before, big props to the 150's. I appreciated my 150's alot more after upgrading. i'd be bummed if i had to go back to them but because they are so good, my sadness wouldn't last too long.

One final note, if you don't have a good sub like me, the 360's will make you want to upgrade sooner than later. I can't wait until i replace my sub to match with the Primus'. i know it's only going to make my HT that much better.

Dude...I Know what you mean. I had a Yamaha sub and it just got overwhelmed by the 360s. I took to plunge and went with an HSU STF2 for 350, but after hearing a friend with a Infinity 12" I think I would have been happy with that also. In fact i got the HSU because I figured that for 350 I should get the HSU over an Infinity. Well, all I can say is after hearing the 12" Infinity, it can do justice so if you can get it at a good price...<300 then i would go for it.

There are a lot of HSU and SVS fans on this site and the subs are well worth the money but they aren't the only game in town.

--Mike

[BowelShaker]

w00t, just picked me up a pair of Primus 150's yesterday, clearance floor models for a little over 100 for the pair! I'm pretty sure I got a good deal on them too, now just to find me a center chnl and I'll have a nice 5.1 set up!

I had a friend that had the PS10 or 12, cannot remember which (pretty sure the 10), but he found it was not enough for his room and liking so he upgraded to a Velodyne DLS-5000R. I figured I would skick the step of upgrading in the anywhere near future, so I just went ahead and got the Velodyne; great sub, more expensive, but that's a given. I am interested in seeing how well the Primus' stay with the Velodyne; I think they'll do great.

So now I just sit and wait in anticipation for all the other pieces to come. I have a receiver in route from vanns and then all my cables/plugs/adapters coming from monoprice...can't wait till they come and I can hook this all up and watch some movies on the projector!

[mantraxl]

After 4 mos of owning Primus speakers, I am happy with both the product and the service.

I bought an Onkyo 604, a pair of 360's, and a C25, followed by 4 160's to act as my surrounds and rear surrounds. All this was at the low-low closeout prices that we were seeing in January. I figured that that should keep me entertained while I contemplated subwoofer options.

About 2 weeks into the fun, I noticed a flatulent sound coming from my left surround speaker at certain frequencies, and after a brief session of troubleshooting, I determined that the woofer driver was to fault. I consulted the warranty information and looked on their website, and found that if you provide a copy of the bill of sale along with the serial number, and they will grant you a one-time free order of up to two replacement parts per speaker, in the event that a warranty service center would be inconvenient. I sent them my information and recieved an email saying that the assembly was on backorder. I figured I could wait a little. Fortunately I didnt have to since the box from Harmann arrived 5 days later. Four screws and two wire clips later, all was well, and the old driver is now a paper weight on my office desk. Bonus fact: quick examination reveals that the 160s and 360s are made of entirely interchangeable parts... the woofer assys, the tweeters, and the plastic surrounds are al the same in different configurations. Between my array of speakers, I should be well covered on replacement parts should something unfortunate occur.

Anyhow, I decided that the best bang for my buck on a subwoofer was to build one of Rythmik Audio's DS12 Servo kits, and I am shocked at its capabilities. I had never experienced subsonics like this in a home unit. Rather than outclassing the Infinity components, I think it just helps to lift them up, esp since I can cross the Primus speakers over at 80hz to unburden them a bit. Between the clarity and dynamics of the Primus array, and the speed, accuracy and depth of the Rythmik kit, I feel like Ive jumped the turnstile into home entertaiment heaven, paying a small fraction of what I should have to get this kind of quality.

Suffice it to say that the addition of an Oppo 981 for the sake of playing SACD, DVD-Audio and hearing the full range of DTS recordings has been a hoot.

Now, to start saving pennies for when the Samsung HL-T6176S comes out. :D

[HTRMikeD]

Sad to say that I passed up on a new in box PS12 for $160. :eek:

How are you liking your STF-2? Is it meeting your needs?


Wow. For 160 I might have bought it just to try it out regardless of what sub I already own.

My room in 12x14x9 and closed. There's bass hype on the forums then there is bass reality when you turn it on and the hype was apparent when after I started listening. But then this is my first HT set up and i haven't listened to any audiophile stuff.

The HSU is a HUGE improvement over what I had so in that I am very pleased. For music it's transparent and adds a fullness of bass to the room and raises the level on notes that aren't as prominent on the 360s. The crispness/tightness (if that is a correct term) and IMPACT of the bass comes more from the 360s than the sub. I'm guessing that this has more to do with mid-bass coming from the 360s. The HSU is fast by that I mean I don't hear any delay or lingering of bass from the sub.

I listen to mostly R&B older and newer, some rap, some older rock and some pop. BTW, this sub really shows how poorly bass is mixed in rap. It's kinda like listen to a car system turned up way to loud as it passed by. Add to that this reverb bass thing that's popular and it's just ridiculous to listen to at higher volumes...for that I go with 360s only.

For HT it's amazing...compared to what I'm used to. No muddiness and the LFE are felt...and this is a 10" sub. I have realized that less is more. I stated out by turning the thing 1/2 way and to get it calibrated to 75db I have to take the db level on the Onkyo 604 to -6. When I want more I raise it 2-3 db at MOST and it's more than enough. I sometimes do this when the volumes are lower so i can get the bass. At higher volumes it becomes less of and issue.

I got it for 350 shipped and that is a great price for really good sub. I was looking at 12" subs like the JBL venue but a coin toss after a poor HT experience with my old sub chose the HSU. I'm still curious to hear the JBL as it is 12" and come from a good company but not unhappy with HSU to return it and try something else.

I was all set to get the PS 12 when The Audio Video Source was all sold out. The only other price i could get was 379--shipping not included. For that kind of money i went with the HSU for price and reputation and i'm not disappointed I did...just curious as what the others sound like.

In bass reality the best thing is when you forget its there and really enjoy the movie...when the effect surprise you and you becoem engaged. Otherwise, as I feel personally, My attention gets focused on effects and techical aspects...which is cool...but not when i want to veg-out and watch Happyfeet or something like that.

--Mike

[afidel]

Fun fact, I was just watching NCIS and they had an OWS-1 in black mounted on either side of a large projection screen. It's the same system I'm using for surrounds, and for much the same reason, they are almost flat without requiring breaking into the wall and they look good. Oh yeah, they sounds just as great as the rest of the Primus line.

[INFINITY360]

Just a quick question concerning the 360's... I have them running off of a newer Denon stereo receiver, the DRA-37. Its rated at 50 watts rms per channel and is supposed to be high current. The 360's are rated at 200... is it safe to play loud music with this receiver? I some times have it up to +5 for short periods of time and hear no distortion..but id rather have some good advice. As i am quite paranoid when it comes to my 360's :p

While i'm at it does anyone have any experience with both the 360's and the Athena AS-F2's. I found that my AS-B2's have a more intimate up front sound while the 360's seemed to be lacking in highs when compared back and forth, but they had a smoother midrange. Which would you prefer when it comes to hard rock and some acoustic music.. Thanks for your time :)

[aboroth00]

I've heard both the Athenas and Primuses. For rock highs and bass are more important than the mids. So specifically for rock, i'd take the Athenas. And it's probably fine to listen to them at loud levels as long as they dont distort and clip you'll be fine. 50 watts is plenty to drive the 360's to unbearably loud levels. WHen i had my 250's i hooked it up to a Denon integrated pushing 80 w/ch and they sounded great with no distortion and itd probably trump any Pioneer yammy surround receiver on the market now.

[GLBright]

I have them running off of a newer Denon stereo receiver, the DRA-37. Its rated at 50 watts rms per channel and is supposed to be high current. The 360's are rated at 200... is it safe to play loud music with this receiver? I some times have it up to +5 for short periods of time and hear no distortion

The 200 watt rating on the 360 refers to the maximum amount of power that it can receive without causing damage. This is open to interpretation. It is actually easier to damage speakers with too little power than with too much. Your 50 wpc Denon can kill your tweeters if you drive it into clipping. You should be able to hear that HARD sound before they self-destruct and turn things down. This would probably be at insanely painful levels anyway, depending on your room size.

You mention having it up to +5. What does that mean in objective terms? I can't turn my Sony receiver past 4 (and that's on a scale of from zero to ten) and still stay in the room. You might consider picking up a sound level meter to find out just how loud in decibels you're playing your 360s.

Oh, I have Infinity speakers, too. Interludes.

Greg

[INFINITY360]

Damn...im torn now lol. I love the sound the primus's bring to movies. The amazingly smooth mids and the excellent transient response, especially for symbol taps :D. But iv heard the rave reviews for the AS-F2's bass response and about how incredibly loud they can play. Are the Athena's bright or are the Primus's lacking. Iv heard that the Primus's have a very flat response except for the mid bass, so does that mean when i do and a/b with my b2's that they are bright or exaggerated?

[INFINITY360]

The 200 watt rating on the 360 refers to the maximum amount of power that it can receive without causing damage. This is open to interpretation. It is actually easier to damage speakers with too little power than with too much. Your 50 wpc Denon can kill your tweeters if you drive it into clipping. You should be able to hear that HARD sound before they self-destruct and turn things down. This would probably be at insanely painful levels anyway, depending on your room size.

You mention having it up to +5. What does that mean in objective terms? I can't turn my Sony receiver past 4 and still stay in the room. You might consider picking up a sound level meter to find out just how loud in decibels you're playing your 360s.

Oh, I have Infinity speakers, too. Interludes.

Greg


Wow.... yea its really loud at +5...the dial on my Denon goes from -80 to +18. Iv never turned it up to max but when i want to listen to it loud i have them at maybe -15 or -10 and then i dont have it on that long. I usually only play them at +5 for a few minutes, i just love to see how they preform :D. Are you saying i shouldn't do that because im not sure how loud the 360 should be able to play. I'm only 18 and but im really into all of this audio stuff. But again i dont have any really experience to compare my listening levels to. Where would i pick a decibel meter? Oh.. the music i was playing was heavy metal, if that makes any difference in loudness im not sure.

[mrjinglesusa]

You can pick up an SPL meter at Radio Shack for about $30.

[Augmont]

For those who have 360's and the center channel C25, are you finding the C25 to be too small with the 360's? I've had my 360's for several weeks and they sound great but I'm finding that my C25 just doesn't have the same......how should I say it....fullness of sound. I find it not complimenting the 360's better.

I have calibrated my system and have ran the center a little hot but it's still doesn't sound pleasing to my ears.

Prior to my 360's i was using 150's as my L/R and I felt the C25 blended seamlessly with the 150's.

[GLBright]

Ever since the Intermezzo and Interlude lines, the 36 has been Infinity's best center channel speaker, in its Alpha, Beta, Entra, Kappa, and Primus configurations. What you are now discovering is that the 25 just can't keep up with the dynamics and superior sound quality of your new 360s. A little two-way center is no match for those big new 3-way mains. The 36 centers are big and heavy. And worth every penny. You will marvel at the improvement.

[GLBright]

All Infinity 3-way center channel speakers from the Interlude line through the Primus and Beta line had a "36" in the name. Some were 36c's, and some were 360c's, and some were c360s... All were similarly configured, and all shared that 3 and 6.

Greg

[GLBright]

I have big old Interlude IL-60 mains w/ built-in 500w amps powering side-mounted 12" woofers - pretty flat to 25 Hz. And yes, there is an Interlude IL-36c 3-way center channel sitting between them. Haven't heard any of the newer Infinity models, but if they actually do sound better than my Interludes then they must be very fine speakers indeed. I cannot imagine any other speaker brand having a more accurate, pleasing sound than Infinity at their current price points. (sorry if there are spelling errors. Brokke my rt hand on sun and still getting used to all lh typing. do'nt ever get angry enough to need a pin to hold your bones together).

greg

[BowelShaker]

So I finally got everything set up and wires run and what not. They have been up and running for about 2 weeks now and I am very pleased with the sound they produce; I still have to get some speaker stand for the rears but other than that they sound great; I've used them for pretty much everything, music, movies and TV (no HD ausio source yet, nor do I have inputs for them on my receiver, I bought a cheaper one so I can upgrade when the new Onkyo's come out this summer).

So far, here's my set up:
360's - Front mains
C25 - Center chnl
150's - Rears
Velodyne DLS-5000R - Sub
Pioneer VSX-516 - 7.1 w/ 100wpc.
I believe currently I have all speakers set to small with x-overs at 80 or maybe one step below that at 50 or 60, I cannot remember, I will have to check on that one to be sure.
I have a standard TV and DVD player hooked up to it as well as my computer via optical and my HD1000U hooked up to my computer via HDMI w/ a DVI-HDMI adapter. I'm digging it!

[GLBright]

Wow, never heard of someone deconstucting a good speaker to make a center channel. I think the most important factors to consider in such an endeavor would have to be cabinet volume, port size and length, and any cabinet stuffing. Also cabinet bracing. Do you intend to make it with the woofers on either side of a vertically mounted tweeter/mid-range? If you keep the cabinet size the same as the 360 this will be one monster center channel speaker. Maybe you could use the original cabinet and just make a new front baffle.

Good luck.

[aboroth00]

Haha thats just funny looking. I think its a little disadvantageous to have the center firing at your knees

[supraman x]

Hello all this is pretty much my first time getting into the audio thing so I need some help . What would make more sense 4 stand speakers or 2 stand speaker in the front and 2 bookshelfs in the back ?

Edit: I did some research and answered my own question

[GLBright]

When you say "stand speaker" do you mean "floor-standing" or "stand-mounted"? To me "stand-mounted" is the same as Bookshelf.

Greg

[supraman x]

(2) P252's
(2) P142's
(1) PC250
(1) ps-10
I've pretty much the whole thread and I was wondering is this overkill for 12x9 room . If not I hope Van hurrys up

[Hamzeh]

Hi, I am a new user of these forums and I'm glad the Primus is getting so much positive feedback from people because I am seriously considering making my first ever HT system be a Primus one.

I have a quick question about "tonal matching." Is that something that is determined by the size of the drivers or other things that are not mentioned in the specs? I think I read in this thread that the Primus series was all "tonally matched," which suggests to me it doesn't matter if the size of the drivers differ on the mains and the center.

Also another question is. Does the price difference between P162 and P142 (~50 dollars) justify the gain in sound quality and performance? Same for difference between P162 and P152 (~35 dollars). What about between 152 and 142? Any thoughts?

I live in a small apartment and don't wanna spend too much money, so I'm counting out the floorstanding models :( I actually still need a receiver too.

[GLBright]

[QUOTE=Hamzeh]
I have a quick question about "tonal matching." Is that something that is determined by the size of the drivers or other things that are not mentioned in the specs? I think I read in this thread that the Primus series was all "tonally matched," which suggests to me it doesn't matter if the size of the drivers differ on the mains and the center.

Also another question is. Does the price difference between P162 and P142 (~50 dollars) justify the gain in sound quality and performance? Same for difference between P162 and P152 (~35 dollars). What about between 152 and 142? Any thoughts?
[QUOTE]

You are correct. With regards to tonal matching it's not so much the size of the drivers as it the materials used in the drivers and how they are "voiced" by the designers. The sound quality won't differ much between the 142s and the 162s. What you will get in the more expensive models is the ability to play louder without obvious strain and substantially more bass. If you don't intend to add a separate subwoofer anytime soon then you should really consider going wih the largest speakers you can afford. And really good sound at a remarkably affordable price is what these Primus speakers are all about.

[Hamzeh]

You are correct. With regards to tonal matching...

Thanks for the response.

Someone above asked about stands for the 160s (and 162s). I found the following Sanus stands on Crutchfield and someone said they were able to support their 160s pretty sturdily. They are the Sanus NF18 stands and are going for $76 a pair. This is what I would get right now if I order the 162s.

[mrjinglesusa]

(2) P252's
(2) P142's
(1) PC250
(1) ps-10
I've pretty much the whole thread and I was wondering is this overkill for 12x9 room . If not I hope Van hurrys up

There is no such thing as "overkill" in home audio. ;)

That will be a very nice set-up. I have 360s in front, a C25 in the center and two 160s as sides. Subwoofer is the same as yours. It's a FANTASTIC sounding system IMO. You'll be very happy once you get it set-up...

[INFINITY360]

Iv got a question. I have primus 360's as mains and primus 150's for rear.
The reciever im using currently is a Denon Dra-37 its stereo 50 per channel. I find that since i don't have a sub and im in the basement i need more ommph from the mains to get the desired theater effect. I demoed them at best buy and was able to extract MUCH more bass then i get at home. The Denon i have clips too quickly. I mean its good but i want to protect my system with a higher powered amp. Id like to go 5.1 maybe but do u guys have suggestions for a rugged amp that fits my room style. Its laminate flooring over concrete and the room is about 20 by 15. Thanks :)

[jmps]

Forgive me for not answering your direct question, but having a good sub would greatly lower the power requirements for your Denon. It would also add a lot to your 5.1 experience. The builit in amp would take over the heavy lifting. You could end up spending the same money and have a better all around system. I use a Beta setup and found this to work for me for both HT and music.

[INFINITY360]

Forgive me for not answering your direct question, but having a good sub would greatly lower the power requirements for your Denon. It would also add a lot to your 5.1 experience. The builit in amp would take over the heavy lifting. You could end up spending the same money and have a better all around system. I use a Beta setup and found this to work for me for both HT and music.

I was thinking about that but along with getting a more theater like experience i want to protect my 360's. I feel that the Denon dra37 is just not enough for my speakers. And fear that it doesn't do the speakers justice.

[Hamzeh]

Alright folks, my speakers are installed. I ended up buying a complete new model Primus set :D

2 x P362
1 x PC350
2 x P152
1 x PS212

Bought them from Vanns in a bundle offer.

Alas, my sub arrived defective :confused: So I called Vanns who said "call Infinity" (why? you're the dealer!!) and so I called Infinity and they're giving me an exchange (their customer service rep was a really nice guy :) )

This setup is a little too big for my little apartment living room :D I think only 1 person gets the full HT effect and the rest are pretty much sitting too close to eithe of the two surround speakers, but what the hell, when I watch movies with friends I'll make sure I'm the one sitting in that spot :D

I bought a Yamaha RX-V659 receiver to power the speakers. I'm liking it, although I had no place to fit that sucker except on the floor on its own right in front of the fire place (which I have now taped the switch to so that nobody turns it on by mistake :p).

For my rear speakers, I bought Sanus NF-24 stands that are black. They are nice steardy stands, but I do have a question about this that I hope someone can help me with:

Because I have carpet I used the spikes that came with the stands, but am I supposed to dig those spikes into the carpet until I hit the solid floor or just set the stands on the spikes just on top of the carpet so that they are almost floating in the air with only the spike tips touching anything? Because when I dig the stands in, the bottom plate presses on the carpet, and I think that way you lose the benifit of having the spikes! The booklet that came with the stands didn't specify.

[friendlyfeet2]

I am considering adding the primus 250 floor standing fronts for my setup. As it stands, I am using a C25 center, primus 140's as fronts and rears (I live in a small apt. with a 13x16 living room, and a Velodyne VX-10 sub all being powered by an onkyo TX-SR504. I have a few questions. First, I have a bass problem with neighbors. My building has a strict "noise policy" and my sub with that beautiful omnidirectional bass would seem to effect other apts. I am wondering if it would be a better option to buy the 250's (found them for crazy cheap on closeout) with the more "direct bass" than to continue with the sub turned down(this drives me nuts). If I did that, I would then use the 140s to expand to 7.1. However, this presents my next problem. Would I be able to expand to 7.1 with my room the way it is? I have my couch against a wall with my surrounds to either side. I don't see a great way to expand to 7.1. Has anybody had any experience with this or have any ideas? FYI my couch is against the wall that is 16' long. I would also like to match the older primus speakers cosmetically. If I move to 7.1 later, I would probably buy primus floorstanding, but they would not match cosmetically. This is not a huge concern, but still in the back of my mind. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

[IcepickSU]

Ok I'm guessing some existing Primus owners may know the answer to this. I'm strongly considering the subwoofer deal on Crutchfield with the following combo....

(1) 2 x P252s (front)
(2) PC250 (center)
(3) PS210 (sub)

My question is whether I could sub in another brand for the surrounds without losing quality. I've read alot and the opinions seem to be mixed on whether the surrounds need to match the front/center.

The only reason I'm 2nd guessing using the P152s as surrounds is their size (kind of bulky compared to others similar very similar specs)......considering something like the Polk Monitor 30s instead. Steer me in the right direction please....

[IcepickSU]

bump up

[ay221]

Is the PC350 a big step up from the primus c25?

[audiofreak38]

Is the PC350 a big step up from the primus c25?
To be honest, the PC350 is really NOT that much of a step-up. Sure, it is much larger and heavier BUT I really do not notice that much of a difference. For me, I should have used my money for other improvements-for others they may find the improvement(s) of the PC350 to be worth it. In all fairness, I do notice a tad bit of improvment as in more definition/intelligibility when compared to the C25. Hope this helps. :) :)

[ay221]

To be honest, the PC350 is really NOT that much of a step-up. Sure, it is much larger and heavier BUT I really do not notice that much of a difference. For me, I should have used my money for other improvements-for others they may find the improvement(s) of the PC350 to be worth it. In all fairness, I do notice a tad bit of improvment as in more definition/intelligibility when compared to the C25. Hope this helps. :) :)

Yes, Thanks.

[audiofreak38]

Yes, Thanks.
You are welcome. Good luck in your decision. Let us know what you decide.

[Doc99]

Does anyone know of an online site that still are closing out the Primus 360's. Can't seem to find these anymore.

[HTMVinnie]

Technically your not supposed to have speakers fronts set to large and sub on because the fronts get full range (what Onkyo calls it) of frequency and the front just cant handle LFE. The fear is that they might damage the speakers struggling with frequencies it just can't accommodate...a driver being forced to do things it cannot.

In practice very little music goes below 30hz and FM radio simply doesn't broadcast anything below 30hz (I think) so with the 360s (32hz) it shouldn't be a problem. I've done it, contrary to what is "safe", when I listened to music with my old cheap sub. I've got a better one so i don't do it now. HT is a different story...I would never have the front at full range during movies.

Onkyo sets any speaker that can go below 80hz to Full Range (large) when audessey sets up and you should change that to the standard starting point of 80hz for everything including the sub. Change it from there if you wish but Onkyo 604 doesn't allow you to set x-over below 80 for the sub.

--Mike
Saw this post and have a question/concern.

I have the following setup:

* Receiver = Yamaha RX-V659
* Front L/R speakers = Infinity Primus 150s (frequency range = 58Hz – 20,000Hz (±3dB))
* Center speaker = Infinity Primus C24 (part of Infinity home-theater pack - frequency range = 100Hz – 20,000Hz (±3dB))
* Surround L/R & surround back L/R = 4x Infinity Primus 140s (frequency range = 100Hz – 20,000Hz (±3dB))
* Subwoofer = Infinity PS-10 (frequency range = 27Hz – 150Hz (±3dB))

My settings were all speakers are set to small. Since the Primus 150s are rated to 58Hz and the other speakers to 100Hz, I decided to set the reciver's subwoofer crossover to 100Hz and LFE/Bass output to "both" which sends the LFE/bass to the front L/R speakers and subwoofer.

I since set this back to 100Hz with LFE/bass being directed to the sub only.

My concern is that I was playing a DTS DVD (the Kraftwerk catalog) quite loud last weekend (between -4 and +2.5dB on my 100W pc 659). Probably ran the speakers at those levels for about an hour. My receiver was set this way for four days so probably 15 - 16 hours total use with the majority of volumes being between -23 and -10dB.

When I saw Mike's post, I thought about the possibility that I might have damaged the speakers with the 150s getting all of the LFE/bass during this time. Also, I've been runing the 140s w/ an 80Hz crossover since I got them back in April (now at 100Hz but might set it back to 80 depending on people's opinions on that).

The speakers sound fine BTW so I don't think I blew anything. Just wondering if driving them like I have been, and the loud event, could have done anything long-term or otherwise.

Thanks in advance for everyone's thoughts!

[GJB]

I am planning on getting the P362 and PC350. What type of material is the grill? Can it be painted black?

[mrjinglesusa]

Does anyone know of an online site that still are closing out the Primus 360's. Can't seem to find these anymore.

These were on close-out several months ago to make room for the *new* 362s. As you've seen, I doubt you'll still be able to find 360s anywhere - only 362s.

[aboroth00]

Look around at older dealers. After the folly of the Prelude line, there aren't that many Infinity dealers around except big box stores like Frys and Circuit city. I know my local dealer has a pair of 360's sitting around.

[K_C]

I've got some 150's and looking for a center to match. As most of you know the new pc250 has a silver grille instead of black. Does anyone know were I can find a C25?

[sammydoodledandy]

hello
i need some advice please
i currently have:
5x primus 160"s (using 1 for a center channel as advised from a frugil audiophile friend)
hsu sub
harmon kardon avr 55 watts per channel
im considering upgrading to an infinity PC350 or C360 center chnnel
which would be the better choice? ,and will this be a great improvement over using a bookshelf for a center?
also im considering upgrading my receiver to a higher wattage one
ive had problems with clipping when i listen to rock n roll (and try pushing it)
should i stick with harmon kardon?
all advice and suggestions greatly appreciated
thankyou
sammy

[Luap]

Where are you located K_C?

[GJB]

hello
i need some advice please
i currently have:
5x primus 160"s (using 1 for a center channel as advised from a frugil audiophile friend)
hsu sub
harmon kardon avr 55 watts per channel
im considering upgrading to an infinity PC350 or C360 center chnnel
which would be the better choice? ,and will this be a great improvement over using a bookshelf for a center?
also im considering upgrading my receiver to a higher wattage one
ive had problems with clipping when i listen to rock n roll (and try pushing it)
should i stick with harmon kardon?
all advice and suggestions greatly appreciated
thankyou
sammy


The C360 is from the Beta lineup which is not voice matched to the Primus lineup. Email from Infinity recommended NOT to mix Primus and Beta, especially for the mains and center.

[ad74]

The C360 is from the Beta lineup which is not voice matched to the Primus lineup. Email from Infinity recommended NOT to mix Primus and Beta, especially for the mains and center.


I asked Patrick Hart the same question - Here is the message I sent him with his reply

I've been on many forums and called alot of different places, but no one can give me a straight answer about this, or the people who do, have never actually listened to the setup I want.
Currently for my home theater setup, I have primus p362's for the front, primus c25 center channel, beta es-250 for surrounds, and 2 primus 150's for the rear (2 subs, ps210 and dayton sub-150) . The c25 is definately the weak link. I would like to upgrade it to a beta c360. I've been told the primus and the beta's series sound completely different and this would be a bad move. I'm not convinced, then again, I have no listened to this center channel. I wanted your opinion about this.

Thanks,
Alex
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Alex-

The C360 will be a huge improvement over the C25.

The C360 will of course sound "different" than the C25 because it has more drivers, more expensive crossover components and a much heavier and more solidly constructed cabinet. The Beta drivers also have slightly more expensive motor structures because the cost target for the Beta C360 allowed it.

All Infinity, Revel and JBL speakers are required to be designed to a "flat response" within the cost constraints of a given series or design. This leaves precious little leeway for each designer and each individual design because we must always work within very tight cost constraints on our Bills of Material.

So the naysayers are incorrect regarding that there is a "huge sound difference" between the Primus and Beta series.

The acoustical difference, a flat frequency response is relatively minimal whereas the construction and part cost differences are real.

Happy listening........Patrick Hart

[GJB]

I asked Patrick Hart the same question - Here is the message I sent him with his reply

I've been on many forums and called alot of different places, but no one can give me a straight answer about this, or the people who do, have never actually listened to the setup I want.
Currently for my home theater setup, I have primus p362's for the front, primus c25 center channel, beta es-250 for surrounds, and 2 primus 150's for the rear (2 subs, ps210 and dayton sub-150) . The c25 is definately the weak link. I would like to upgrade it to a beta c360. I've been told the primus and the beta's series sound completely different and this would be a bad move. I'm not convinced, then again, I have no listened to this center channel. I wanted your opinion about this.

Thanks,
Alex
----------------------------------------------
Alex-

The C360 will be a huge improvement over the C25.

The C360 will of course sound "different" than the C25 because it has more drivers, more expensive crossover components and a much heavier and more solidly constructed cabinet. The Beta drivers also have slightly more expensive motor structures because the cost target for the Beta C360 allowed it.

All Infinity, Revel and JBL speakers are required to be designed to a "flat response" within the cost constraints of a given series or design. This leaves precious little leeway for each designer and each individual design because we must always work within very tight cost constraints on our Bills of Material.

So the naysayers are incorrect regarding that there is a "huge sound difference" between the Primus and Beta series.

The acoustical difference, a flat frequency response is relatively minimal whereas the construction and part cost differences are real.

Happy listening........Patrick Hart


Now I am more confused. I originally wanted the Beta50s for the mains but the matching C360 center is an inch too tall so I was going to go with the Primus PC350 for the center. Infinity recommended I stick with Primus P362 for the mains.

I assume you are happy with your P362s?

[ad74]

Now I am more confused. I originally wanted the Beta50s for the mains but the matching C360 center is an inch too tall so I was going to go with the Primus PC350 for the center. Infinity recommended I stick with Primus P362 for the mains.

I assume you are happy with your P362s?

I think they sound great, IMO, your not going to get a better speaker for the price.
Have you checked out this site for stands - http://www.standsandmounts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=279
The C360 is supposed to be a phenominal center channel.

[GLBright]

The C360 is supposed to be a phenominal center channel.

I think all the 35/36 series center channels from Infinity are very good. One can go down the line from the Intermezzo 3.5c and Interlude IL36c through all its various forms to today's models, and they all look very much alike and probably sound very similar as well.

[newyorkjets00]

does anyone here have the infinity primus ss 2004s?? my friend heard them and said they are very nice and blow mine away but of course i have some old fishers.. i was looking at either getting some polk r50s, polk r300s or jbl balboa 30s.. if anyone knows which one of these 3 is same or better and the 2004 please pm me!!

[djmas]

Just wondering what stands and AVR would you guys recommend for the following setup.

Infinity Primus P362
Infinity Primus P152
Infinity Primus P152
Infinity Primus P362
Infinity Primus PC350
Infinity PS212


I'm new to HT and wasn't sure how high the center speaker should be mounted, and how high should the 152's be mounted?

Any suggestions for a good AVR to go with this setup. And suggestions on the height I should be looking at for speaker stands?

I was looking at the HK247... Thoughts???

[djmas]

I seen these 362's on amazon for about $200 each... Is that a good deal?

[GJB]

I seen these 362's on amazon for about $200 each... Is that a good deal?

Check out www.theaudiovideosource.com. They are an authorized dealer with reasonable shipping prices. I just bought the BETA series from them a couple of weeks ago. No problems or complaints.

[Pocket Aces]

Does anyone know if there is a significant difference between the Primus Theater Pack and the Primus Theater Pack II? Right now the Original is available for $279 while the II is at $398.

[BAMAVADER]

Guys,

I just ordered two P362s to upgrade my Primus 250s and I received them yesterday afternoon. Well to my blessed surprise, the grills to these speakers are black! I originally ordered the Primus 360s and Expo was out so they gave me the 362s for the same price! Is it just me or does the new Primus speakers look like they have a silver grill? Looking at them on the different web sites they all look silver. Well to my pleasant surprise they are black and fit right in with my other Primus 7.1 set. I was thinking about ordering the C350 center. Is it a good upgrade from the C25? I have read so many good things about the 360/362 for music and movies and even though I liked the 250s, I could not pass on the great price EE had on them. Proud to be Infinity PRIMUS!!

BTW, If anyone is looking for two Primus 250s, I have two for a very good price. Excellent condition!!!



RTR

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[BAMAVADER]

Maybe spray paint the grill.

No need to, my P362s have black grills!

RTR

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[kidsdoc]

hello, i'm a newbie overall to the forums & this is my first post re: speakers for a home theatre setup. i'll be purchasing a 50-60" plasma shortly & i'm looking to start a home theatre system in my condo where i will be living for the next 18 months or so, after which my wife & i will hopefully be moving into a new house. i just picked up an onkyo sr-605 & i will be setting up the home theatre in a "living room" (~ 10'Wx14') that is part of an open living space including the dining area/kitchen. admittedly, i'm no audiophile & will be using this setup primarily for enjoying movies. to prove my point, my primary music source will be my ipod

i have been spending the better part of the last 3-4 days researching this site & various hi-fi websites, including sound&vision, hometheatrehifi, hometheatre, ultimateavmag, & others; i've read on those sites & on this one about wonderful brands/speakers such as PSB, aperion, Atlantic Tech, AV123, & radiient but at this point i want to go w/ one of the "mainstream" companies (& at this point my head is spinning!)

i had a couple of generic questions before looking for specific suggestions:

1) what are monitors? are they any different than L/R speakers?

2) i've read that a 3-way speaker is not necessarily better than a 2-way, true?

what i'd like to purchase at the moment is a pair of speakers that i can use alone for at least a couple of months before adding a subwoofer/center channel & eventually 2 surrounds; obviously i'd like a pair that will provide me w/ sufficient bass to carry me over to purchasing the subwoofer. i'm also aware that i should be trying to listen to the speakers which i'm definitely going to try to do before making my final decision.

my eventual plan is to add a nice ("timbre-matched" & expensive) pair as my front L/R speakers & rotate the rest of the speakers accordingly (to make my 5.1 setup a 7.1 setup)

some of the speakers i'm looking at currently (as this point i'd like to spend no more than $400-500 for the pair & i'm leaning towards either polks or jbls):

JBL
jbl L830
jbl stage
jbl stadium

Klipsch RB61
(i like the aesthetics on the Klipschs)

Infinity: (unfortunately there are no authorized Infinity dealers in MA)
infinity BETA 40
infinity P362
infinity P162

Polk:
Monitor 40
RTi6
RTi A3

would love to hear your thoughts/suggestions; also, do any of these companies have better "resale" value than others in case i want to start over in a couple of years; are "refurbished" units safe to purchase? (i.e. from jbl & infinity)

[sterankoman]

Stereophile magazine has a new review on the Infinity Primus P162 loudspeaker. Good review, good remarks and they go for $200/pr shipped on eBay. Another $200 budget speaker worthy of a look. :eek:

http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/1007inf/

[aboroth00]

hello, i'm a newbie overall to the forums & this is my first post re: speakers for a home theatre setup. i'll be purchasing a 50-60" plasma shortly & i'm looking to start a home theatre system in my condo where i will be living for the next 18 months or so, after which my wife & i will hopefully be moving into a new house. i just picked up an onkyo sr-605 & i will be setting up the home theatre in a "living room" (~ 10'Wx14') that is part of an open living space including the dining area/kitchen. admittedly, i'm no audiophile & will be using this setup primarily for enjoying movies. to prove my point, my primary music source will be my ipod

i have been spending the better part of the last 3-4 days researching this site & various hi-fi websites, including sound&vision, hometheatrehifi, hometheatre, ultimateavmag, & others; i've read on those sites & on this one about wonderful brands/speakers such as PSB, aperion, Atlantic Tech, AV123, & radiient but at this point i want to go w/ one of the "mainstream" companies (& at this point my head is spinning!)

i had a couple of generic questions before looking for specific suggestions:

1) what are monitors? are they any different than L/R speakers?

2) i've read that a 3-way speaker is not necessarily better than a 2-way, true?

what i'd like to purchase at the moment is a pair of speakers that i can use alone for at least a couple of months before adding a subwoofer/center channel & eventually 2 surrounds; obviously i'd like a pair that will provide me w/ sufficient bass to carry me over to purchasing the subwoofer. i'm also aware that i should be trying to listen to the speakers which i'm definitely going to try to do before making my final decision.

my eventual plan is to add a nice ("timbre-matched" & expensive) pair as my front L/R speakers & rotate the rest of the speakers accordingly (to make my 5.1 setup a 7.1 setup)

some of the speakers i'm looking at currently (as this point i'd like to spend no more than $400-500 for the pair & i'm leaning towards either polks or jbls):

JBL
jbl L830
jbl stage
jbl stadium

Klipsch RB61
(i like the aesthetics on the Klipschs)

Infinity: (unfortunately there are no authorized Infinity dealers in MA)
infinity BETA 40
infinity P362
infinity P162

Polk:
Monitor 40
RTi6
RTi A3

would love to hear your thoughts/suggestions; also, do any of these companies have better "resale" value than others in case i want to start over in a couple of years; are "refurbished" units safe to purchase? (i.e. from jbl & infinity)

There's no reason to stick with mainstream companies. USually because they are at big box stores like Best Buy and Circuit City, those speaker brands have the worst resale value. There are plenty of options to explore, and you've already mentioned several good chioces such as PSB, Aperion and such others. Also check out Monitor Audio, NHT, and other stuff. The shopping part for speakers should be the fun part. You get to listen to all the speakers you want without having to pay a cent!!

[jetblack3s]

do they still have any discontinued primus line on internet? i have 2 150, i need a pair of 360, 1 c25 and a p12 sub. any idea when i could get them/?//

[Augmont]

do they still have any discontinued primus line on internet? i have 2 150, i need a pair of 360, 1 c25 and a p12 sub. any idea when i could get them/?//


ebay and craigslists. Saw some today on both.

[Randy Englehart]

I just got a pair of 362's and mine are silver grills. I called Infinity to ask if I could get some 360 grills because I prefer black and they said the 360 grills wouldn't fit. Does anyone know for sure if the black P360 grills will fit the P362/

[BAMAVADER]

I just got a pair of 362's and mine are silver grills. I called Infinity to ask if I could get some 360 grills because I prefer black and they said the 360 grills wouldn't fit. Does anyone know for sure if the black P360 grills will fit the P362/

I ordered mine from Electronic Expo and my grills were black. I was thinking about ordering the new Primus center speaker to upgrade my C25 and the guy at Crutchfield assured me it was black as well. Where did you get them with silver grills? The old Primus series grills will not fit. What color is everyone else's grills on the new Infinity Primus series. They do look silver in the pictures but mine are black.

Thanks...

[Thirsty]

I use 4 Primus 150's for surrounds. They don't match my Synergy F2's but they still sound good. I think I will keep them. I also hooked them up to the mains with a sub they sounded damn good.

Good speakers for the money.

[geobrick]

Fry's in california has the primus P362 listed for $99 each in today's ad. http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?adid=5402476&advid=32664&type=

Is that good? You must buy in pairs so $200.

[TXBDan]

Hello all,

I'm starting my system and have a Marantz SR4001 and i'm looking to get Primus center and front towers. I already have a killer sub (15" Tempest DIY sub that kills babies).

Having a good sub, think i should be fine running the P252 towers along w/ the PC350 center? I plan to listen to music as much as HT.. will i want more low end out of the towers? I can still use the sub w/ 2 channel audio so maybe it'll be fine..

Any advice? Thanks

[TXBDan]

Well i went w/ the PC350 and the two P252 towers. They came in Thursday and i've been listening to music and movies almost constantly since then.

They sound great! I don't have many sources of high quality audio, but movies in True3D are incredible! I've never heard more clear and natural vocals. My fiance even commented right away. They sound very balanced to me as well. I'm crossing them over at 80hz and the only EQ i added was +1db bass. Everything else is flat and it sounds great.

I've had other speakers before where i felt the mids, or the bass, or the highs sounded great and i would tweak around to get everything balanced. These are just perfect right out of the box.

The only thought i have is that the towers could maybe be raised up a few inches. The tweeter is till a couple inches below ear level while seated. Any ideas on what do use as a spacer/stand? a cinder block? :P

[duckdodgerz]

Hi All,

I'm looking for some opinions here. I have just purchased a new plasma, and will be upgrading my avr. This, of course, has me thinking about my speakers. I am currently running wall mounted Primus 160's and C25 for my fronts and centers. I am using a cheapy powered SW.

So here's the question.....who thinks it's worth the time spent to talk my wife into allowing some 362's, use the 160's for "presence" speakers (I'm probably getting a V1800/V3800).

Should I just upgrade the SW? This is primarily for home theater and we sit only about 11 feet from the 160's.

If I get the 362's, can I ditch the SW? That might make it easier to convince the spousal unit.

I have been toying with an in-ceiling/wall SW as well.

Any thoughts.

Need to add that I really like the 160's so I don't neeeeed the 362's if you know what I mean! :D

[GLBright]

The only thought i have is that the towers could maybe be raised up a few inches. The tweeter is till a couple inches below ear level while seated. Any ideas on what do use as a spacer/stand? a cinder block? :P

If they sound "just perfect right out of the box" why would you want to raise them? Maybe Infinity knew that the tweeter would be lower than ear level and compensated for it. It won't hurt anything to try. Just don't do anything permanent. Anything flat, heavy, and solid should do fine.

[TXBDan]

^i guess thats a good point.

^^i don't think the P362s can even come close to replicating a sub. I think they response falls off at 49hz. you need subsonic freqs and a lot more volume for HT.

A bit strange maybe, but i've been blasting my gf's Amy Winehouse CD and it sounds incredible.

[67KBob]

I seen these 362's on amazon for about $200 each... Is that a good deal?


I just bought 2 pairs of the P362's at Fry's for the super hot price of $99.00 each on a 1-day sale today...that came to just $215 per pair!

Also...Vann's had hot prices on the Primus line that ended Christmas at midnight...so I got a PC350 for $179.xx and a pair of P152's @ $49.xx...and that included free 3-day shipping and NO Tax!

The deals are there...patience and perseverence does pay:D:D:D

[shammo]

I just bought 2 pairs of the P362's at Fry's for the super hot price of $99.00 each on a 1-day sale today...that came to just $215 per pair!

Also...Vann's had hot prices on the Primus line that ended Christmas at midnight...so I got a PC350 for $179.xx and a pair of P152's @ $49.xx...and that included free 3-day shipping and NO Tax!

The deals are there...patience and perseverence does pay:D:D:D

Wish I would have read this a couple days ago!!

I just got two P362's for $140/ea with my employer discount. Saving the extra $100 would have been clutch!

[bori]

I have a pair of floor standing speakers. I want to change the blacks spikes or pegs they sit on to silver. Does anyone know where I can get these?

[jlamb30]

Considering the price difference would only be about $20, which would you folks recommend for L/C/R?

Main use is tv / home theater, very little music. I occasionally do like the throw on a few CD's and crank them when the wife and kids are gone, though.

Sub is a modded Sony SA-WM40. It will have to suffice for now.

162's with a C250 center
152's with a C350 center
Or would 152's and the C250 be fine, and save the $40-$60? The cheaper, the better!

I don't think I can justify the cost (wife - yes, $50 more makes a difference) of the 162's AND the C350.

Surrounds will most likely be 142's due to size / weight / wall mounting.

Thanks for any input.

Edit: Vanns has the Beta 10 and Beta C250 on sale for even less then the above combinations on sale. Would the Betas be a better route? I tend to prefer a brighter / crisper sound, but do not know how the Primus and Betas compare.

Would the P142 still be ok as a surround, even though not timbre matched...and not "looks" matched? Wonder if that combination will pass the WAF?

[rensselaer80]

Considering the price difference would only be about $20, which would you folks recommend for L/C/R?

Main use is tv / home theater, very little music. I occasionally do like the throw on a few CD's and crank them when the wife and kids are gone, though.

Sub is a modded Sony SA-WM40. It will have to suffice for now.

162's with a C250 center
152's with a C350 center
Or would 152's and the C250 be fine, and save the $40-$60? The cheaper, the better!

I don't think I can justify the cost (wife - yes, $50 more makes a difference) of the 162's AND the C350.

Surrounds will most likely be 142's due to size / weight / wall mounting.

Thanks for any input.

Edit: Vanns has the Beta 10 and Beta C250 on sale for even less then the above combinations on sale. Would the Betas be a better route? I tend to prefer a brighter / crisper sound, but do not know how the Primus and Betas compare.

Would the P142 still be ok as a surround, even though not timbre matched...and not "looks" matched? Wonder if that combination will pass the WAF?

The 162s would presumably give you a bit more oomph due to the larger woofers than the 152s or Beta 10s (these are your fronts I'm presuming).

Beta's are the next step up from Primus, but you will see references in the forum that some prefer Primus over Beta, it would be better if you could give them a listen yourself. I like the sound of my Primus speakers ... but I've not heard the Beta's.

Mixing of speaker types is generally a no-no, but then again, if it's only for the surrounds, and most listening is HT, then I do not believe it's that much of an issue, the amount of sound from the surrounds is substantially less than the fronts.

BTW, 142s and 152s are the same price right now at Vanns.

[SeanHockey44]

Hello everybody,

I'm very glad I came across this thread. I've been slowly upgrading my speakers over the past few months from a Sony HTIB to a real system. So far I have an Infinity PC250 center channel, and I recently purchased a pair of 362's for my fronts. My surrounds and sub are still garbage and I wan