I just bought my P362's this weekend. I don't want to hook them up until I get a center channel to match. The pc350 looks huge. Is this a huge upgrade over the pc250. It will be on top of a 65" rpcrt, and I sit about 15' away. Thanks.

It is huge, get the measurements and measure! :) I ended up having to install an extra shelf to get a reasonable layout for the center.

There's no particular reason to wait to hook up the mains, your receiver will route the dialog to the 362s when you configure it for just 2 speakers.

It would be better to hook up enjoy your new speakers, they sound quite nice.

I went with the PC350. I hooked it all up a couple of days ago, and I love it. I guess I should replace my surrounds next. I might as well have a matching set.

i've owned Primus speakers for about 4 years in a treated room and they sounded good. but i just bought the betas they are much much better. i don't understand why you guys don't go for the betas. they're dirt cheap right now. the beta 360 center is only $200. the 6.5 inch bookshelves are $100 a piece. you're not saving much going with the primus.

i've owned Primus speakers for about 4 years in a treated room and they sounded good. but i just bought the betas they are much much better. i don't understand why you guys don't go for the betas. they're dirt cheap right now. the beta 360 center is only $200. the 6.5 inch bookshelves are $100 a piece. you're not saving much going with the primus.

In my case, I got one of those package deals for the Primus, so it worked out cheaper. Certainly, since the Betas are defunct, I would imagine the prices are falling as retailers are emptying the inventory. At the time I bought, they were still more expensive (and now I really don't feel the need to replace what I bought fairly recently). There's not much argument that the more expensive line should sound better, the question is how much, and everyone's ears are different. There's always something better, and it all comes down to what you can do at the time.

I do like the cherry finish option for the Betas and almost got them just for that :)

I went with the PC350. I hooked it all up a couple of days ago, and I love it. I guess I should replace my surrounds next. I might as well have a matching set.

Cool, I originally got the 152s as surrounds. They were later moved to be the back surrounds. They are $70 at vanns.com (http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542100069) rght now (same as the 142s).

Are the Primus 252 or 362 good "rock" speakers? I'm looking for a pair of not-so-big tower speakers that have a very accurate tone (i.e, voices, etc. sound natural, not boxy, etc.), and have VERY good bass and dynamics for rock music and movie soundtracks. Imaging and finite detail are not that important. I prefer a slightly laid back midrange rather than one that is "in your face". Do these Primus speakers fit the bill? I neither have nor want a subwoofer. The 362 would be pushing it as far as their big size. 252 would be MUCH better, but I'm worried about their bass capabilites. Unfortunately, no one around me sells these so I can't audition them :( Last by not least, should I look instead at the BETA series? I need to stay under $500, way under, if possible :)

LOVE my Infinity RS8s, but they're getting OLD
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/orlasTToy/misc/RS8.jpg
best part is they have a self-powered 8" sub in each cabinet...they will be missed (OR bumped back as rears :))

you guys think this Primus P362 will be a major improvement?

LOVE my Infinity RS8s, but they're getting OLD.
best part is they have a self-powered 8" sub in each cabinet...they will be missed (OR bumped back as rears :))

you guys think this Primus P362 will be a major improvement?

Hard to say, the woofers in the 362s at 5.25", non-powered, so I do wonder if you would get the same punch from them. Since I have a SW in my setup, this is not so much a concern for me. I do enjoy their sound, and if you can get them for the sale price, it's hard to beat that deal.

oh yeah I forgot to mention i DO have a big ole' 12" Velodyne sub..so Im hoping the P362s step it up in the rest of the frequency department

I just got my x2 P362's from Frys recently.

I also ordered a Onkyo TX-606 receiver... It should be good enough to power these speakers right?

I just got my x2 P362's from Frys recently.



they're black right?

they're black right?

Yes.

LOVE my Infinity RS8s, but they're getting OLD...
best part is they have a self-powered 8" sub in each cabinet...they will be missed (OR bumped back as rears :))

you guys think this Primus P362 will be a major improvement?

Wow, I almost bought those many years ago, but Overture 3s became available at a ridiculous price. They were one of the first Harman/Infinity speakers (maybe the 2000.8 was earlier). The look/appearance carried over to the Overtures and Preludes. Don't know how the sound compared. Do those use the polypropylene mids and silk dome tweeter? Oh, and age should never be an issue as long as the speaker is performing well. Sometimes (every 15 years or so) the capacitors in the crossover dry out and need replaced in order to restore the sound to its original glory.

I just got my x2 P362's from Frys recently.

I also ordered a Onkyo TX-606 receiver... It should be good enough to power these speakers right?


I have a pair of P362's and Onkyo 505. No problem at all.

they're black right?

It seems the silver grilles are no longer produced, when I got my from Vann's they were transitioning to the all black, and it turns out i got a mixture. So I think even without 362B, you still get the black grilles.

I just got my x2 P362's from Frys recently.

I also ordered a Onkyo TX-606 receiver... It should be good enough to power these speakers right?

I have a 605 driving 4 362s, so yeah, you'll be ok :D

Wow, I almost bought those many years ago, but Overture 3s became available at a ridiculous price. They were one of the first Harman/Infinity speakers (maybe the 2000.8 was earlier). The look/appearance carried over to the Overtures and Preludes. Don't know how the sound compared. Do those use the polypropylene mids and silk dome tweeter? Oh, and age should never be an issue as long as the speaker is performing well. Sometimes (every 15 years or so) the capacitors in the crossover dry out and need replaced in order to restore the sound to its original glory.

Same reason I'm updating...RIDICULOUS PRICE! :D

Yeah the R8s were/are awesome...cant wait to hook up the P362s & do the Pepsi challenge!

(and yes i THINK they use polypropylene mids and a silk dome tweeter)

of course this starts the domino effect & now Im thinking up updating my center (Infinity CC3...its also been great) to the Primus PC350 :p

somebody stop the madness!

It seems the silver grilles are no longer produced, when I got my from Vann's they were transitioning to the all black, and it turns out i got a mixture. So I think even without 362B, you still get the black grilles.

i only ask cuz crutchfield has a good price on the center PC350, but only on the silver one...wonder if it'll bother me to have mismatched speakers :confused:

i only ask cuz crutchfield has a good price on the center PC350, but only on the silver one...wonder if it'll bother me to have mismatched speakers :confused:

You can order just the grilles from Harmon directly (if they don't list it, just email them and ask), search back in the thread, I had posted something about this a while ago. Their prices are not all that good though (seemed overly expensive), a can of spray paint is cheaper :)

of course this starts the domino effect & now Im thinking up updating my center (Infinity CC3...its also been great) to the Primus PC350 :p!

Yeah, I still have my CC3 in storage. I think the PC350 will be a significant upgrade. Good as it is the CC3 is no match for the newer 3-way centers from Infinity. The insanity never stops. Upgraditis is an incurable disease.

I just joined the infinity family today. Damn, I just finish with my AV123 Rockets and wasn't looking for anymore speakers but while at Frys looking for some bluetooth, I accidentally bumped into Primus 362B for $99 each. Damn, speakers had to get in my way. Now that I paid so little for the floorstanding, it's hard for me to justify paying for anything more on the Center, PC350. Is there a sale going on somewhere for this center? Might finish off with an Onkyo or HK receiver and AV123 X-Sub or BIC Sub.

i've owned Primus speakers for about 4 years in a treated room and they sounded good. but i just bought the betas they are much much better. i don't understand why you guys don't go for the betas. they're dirt cheap right now. the beta 360 center is only $200. the 6.5 inch bookshelves are $100 a piece. you're not saving much going with the primus.

The infinity Beta 40s are going for $425 to $540 for a pair (mail order).
Where as the Infinity primus 362s are $200 for a pair (local pickup at Fry's).
So people are paying over twice as much for Beta 40s over Primus 362

Would it be better to use a P362 as a center instead of a PC350? At $99 at Frys it is about half the price of the PC350. Any opinions?

I have not been able to compare both the setups since no store in town has the PC350.

Would it be better to use a P362 as a center instead of a PC350? At $99 at Frys it is about half the price of the PC350. Any opinions?

Yes but can you buy only one..? I thought that it was always sold in pair.
If you can get only one go for it!

Hey all,

I'm having trouble deciding between the P152s and P162s as fronts. I'm currently building a 2.1 system that I can upgrade but won't for a while cuz I'm stuck in a teeney dorm room (10x14x9ish). It'll be used 50% movies and 50% HT, and I have an 8" sub, if that matters.

The P152s are smaller and they're cheaper, but the P162s play deeper. On ebay, the P152s cost from 25-35, the P162s cost from 60-70. How do these two compare as fronts in your experiences?

PS I may purchase a third as a center.

Hey all,

I'm having trouble deciding between the P152s and P162s as fronts. I'm currently building a 2.1 system that I can upgrade but won't for a while cuz I'm stuck in a teeney dorm room (10x14x9ish). It'll be used 50% movies and 50% HT, and I have an 8" sub, if that matters.

The P152s are smaller and they're cheaper, but the P162s play deeper. On ebay, the P152s cost from 25-35, the P162s cost from 60-70. How do these two compare as fronts in your experiences?

PS I may purchase a third as a center.

I think for your situation the P152 will work fine, like you said the only thing you really will gain by going to the 162 is deeper output.

Hi guys I just joined the Primus club...couldnt be happier. Was a former JBL and Athena owner.

Here's my story...had a pair of JBL Venue Stages returned them back to frys and then bought a set of Athena WS-100's from Magnolia at BB, didnt like those either. So I headed back to frys to buy the JBL Venue Stages that I first returned and ended up leaving with four Primus 362's. Im one happy camper, these are $299.99 regular price at frys.

Everything isnt setup yet, but I just liked how they looked all next to each other...I plan to use them as R/L fronts and my Surrounds. This sale is a dream for college student like me :)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/LOTC/setup.jpg

Lotc, could you post your experience so far with 362s? I got a pair too from Fry's last weekend on sale. I am trying to replace my Bose AM 6 series II in phases. I am replacing the front speakers with the 362s I bought. I should have PC350 today that I ordered from Harman through work. So I am replacing front and center channel for now.

The 362s sound much better in stereo mode already compared to Bose. I am going to try some movies once I add 350 this weekend. I will post my experience.

I am planning to keep the two Bose surround speakers with the passive acoustimas module for now. I have another Mirage 8" sub to work with low frequency stuff. I have Onkyo 6.1 (SR 502?) receiver driving this speakers.

I have a couple JBL 1xtreme bookshelf speakers that I am contemplating to use for the surround speakers. I am not sure if I will gain anything from doing this. Can't spend anymore money at this time. Anybody has any suggestions about using JBL 1xtreme bookshelfs?

Lotc, could you post your experience so far with 362s? I got a pair too from Fry's last weekend on sale. I am trying to replace my Bose AM 6 series II in phases. I am replacing the front speakers with the 362s I bought. I should have PC350 today that I ordered from Harman through work. So I am replacing front and center channel for now.

The 362s sound much better in stereo mode already compared to Bose. I am going to try some movies once I add 350 this weekend. I will post my experience.

I am planning to keep the two Bose surround speakers with the passive acoustimas module for now. I have another Mirage 8" sub to work with low frequency stuff. I have Onkyo 6.1 (SR 502?) receiver driving this speakers.

I have a couple JBL 1xtreme bookshelf speakers that I am contemplating to use for the surround speakers. I am not sure if I will gain anything from doing this. Can't spend anymore money at this time. Anybody has any suggestions about using JBL 1xtreme bookshelfs?

Sorry ptnaidu, im responding so late. I like these 362's alot more than my JBL Venue Stages or the Athena WS-100s. The Highs are much better than the JBL Stages, with just as much bass if not more. The highs are almost on par with the Athena's, but it totally dominates the WS-100's in the bass department. But they are both different types of floor standings speakers so you cant really compare the two. But for $99 you cannot beat these 362's at all for what they have to offer. I was back at fry's today and they are back up to $299 a piece. Last night I just brought two of the 362's to the back for my surrounds and left two for the L/R. As for my center I have hooked up two JBL Venue 5in monitors book shelfs and I have laid on their side with the tweeters next to each other. Its all I can do for my center because I have sent back my Klipsch C-2.

So my fronts and center
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/LOTC/1-1.jpg

The other two 362's I have put them in the back on 15in. stands.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/LOTC/3-1.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/LOTC/2-1.jpg

As for adding the JBL for extra speakers for surrounds. I would hook them up for the time being, I am not that fimiliar with the 1xtremes so I cannot tell you much. But I dont think you have much to loose in trying. Since you said you wont be spending money anytime.

Please let me know about the PC350, I am going buy purhcase this piece as my center in the future and moving my JBLs to complete my 7.1. I will probably not be using a sub. Also do you think this pieice is wall mountable? I was able to mount my JBL bookshelfs, but the PC-350 is one big piece.

Everything is running off my Onkyo 606 and I had Pirates 3 on last nite and it sounded fantastic compared to my old setup. I just wish I had a bigger room (10x10) is all I have to work with.

I did the same thing. I had a C25 for over a year but upgraded to a PC350 when it was 1/2 off at vanns. The added advantages of the 3-way in the PC350 was worth the $120 I paid for it :)

My set up now is:

L/R: Primus 360s
C: Primus PC350
Sub: Soon to be eD A2-300
Rears: Some crappy Infinity satellites from a HTIB set (upgrade eventually)
Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR803

I am very happy with my set up (aside from the rears). Infinity is a great entry-level/bargain brand for quality speakers.


When was this sale?..and do they have these kind of sale on the PC350 often?

Wow, what a difference 350 center channel speaker makes!!! All my family and friends are amazed, too. There is no comparison with the Bose center channel speaker I had before with "small" setting on my receiver. I tried both "large" and "small" on my receiver and I kinda like "large" setting for this PC350.

I have it set on a few books on my carpet for now, right below the screen, but I am planning to mount on the top either on the TV or the wall. I am looking at some wall mounts, but I would really like a mount that can go on a TV. This speaker is heavy (25 lbs), so if anybody has any recommendations to mount on top of my rear projection Philips LCoS 62" TV, please let me know.

Happy so far with Primus, haven't tried my JBL for rear surround yet.

Wow, what a difference 350 center channel speaker makes!!! All my family and friends are amazed, too. There is no comparison with the Bose center channel speaker I had before with "small" setting on my receiver. I tried both "large" and "small" on my receiver and I kinda like "large" setting for this PC350.

I have it set on a few books on my carpet for now, right below the screen, but I am planning to mount on the top either on the TV or the wall. I am looking at some wall mounts, but I would really like a mount that can go on a TV. This speaker is heavy (25 lbs), so if anybody has any recommendations to mount on top of my rear projection Philips LCoS 62" TV, please let me know.

Happy so far with Primus, haven't tried my JBL for rear surround yet.

Do you have the Primus P362 with the PC350?..and how much did you get your pc350 for?

The cheapest PC350 I found was from Ebay direct from Harman Audio for refurbish bidding around $125+tax+17 S/H. Roughly $150. Unfortunately its refurbish but I will take it since its under warrenty by Harman Audio. Overall, still cost more than what I paid for the 362.

The cheapest PC350 I found was from Ebay direct from Harman Audio for refurbish bidding around $125+tax+17 S/H. Roughly $150. Unfortunately its refurbish but I will take it since its under warrenty by Harman Audio. Overall, still cost more than what I paid for the 362.

Yesterday an auction ended at $91, i was new to the bidding game so i didn't know how to out bid the person. But yeah after tax and shipping its around $115. I know what you are talking about, it cost me 200 for two 362. But the thing is the pc350 is newer and its popular, i cant find it anywhere locally, they would have to special order it. Wish vanns have their 1/2 sale again that someone mention.

Yesterday an auction ended at $91, i was new to the bidding game so i didn't know how to out bid the person. But yeah after tax and shipping its around $115. I know what you are talking about, it cost me 200 for two 362. But the thing is the pc350 is newer and its popular, i cant find it anywhere locally, they would have to special order it. Wish vanns have their 1/2 sale again that someone mention.


That's a great deal at $91. I wish people weren't bidding so damn much when I was bidding. Bidding is easy. You just set the most you are willing to pay for and others do the same. Once it passes your bid, you can re-bid again and raise your limit. I'm kinda new at this too. Not sure if it's true, but supposely, there is a software out there that will do the final bid thing for you so you can win auctions at the last second. But like I said, I'm not sure if its true or not. Haven't done research on it.

Do you have the Primus P362 with the PC350?..and how much did you get your pc350 for?

Yes, I do have two front Primus P362s (bought at Fry's for $99 each, couldn't pass up) with PC350 (bought through work with employee discount for $150). They both are 3-way speakers and reproduce low, mid and high frequencies so well. I am hearing some of the sounds I never heard on Bose the last few years :-(

I still have Bose for my surround that I might replace with JBL control 1xtreme book shelfs sometime.

I am still looking for a mount for PC350 to go on my rear projection TV... Any ideas?

hey guys so is ebay the easiest way to get one of these? I was looking at that auction too, but was hesistant. Amazon has it for $199 free shipping and I have searched all over town for these and no store has them in stock.

Is there a difference between the Infinity C350 vs PC350?

I purchased a C350 from eBay and want to make sure its the same thing. :P\

INFINITY PRIMUS C350 BLACK NEW $149 AUTHORIZED SELLER

$140.75 shipped after 25% microsoft cashback.

Is there a difference between the Infinity C350 vs PC350?

I purchased a C350 from eBay and want to make sure its the same thing. :P\

INFINITY PRIMUS C350 BLACK NEW $149 AUTHORIZED SELLER

$140.75 shipped after 25% microsoft cashback.

Ahh so you were the other person who bought from the seller. Its a typo, when they relisted today they changed it to the correct name which is the PC350. I too bought from the seller with the 25% off. Was hoping the paypal coupon worked, but it didn't. So $140 is not bad, it would have been better at $99, which i know in the near future it will be on sale for that price!!!

I called the seller, he said that they dont actually have them in stock, but will be getting more tomorrow which is wednesday.

One good thing is that they are the authorized seller for it, so warranty would be easy.

Ahh so you were the other person who bought from the seller. Its a typo, when they relisted today they changed it to the correct name which is the PC350. I too bought from the seller with the 25% off. Was hoping the paypal coupon worked, but it didn't. So $140 is not bad, it would have been better at $99, which i know in the near future it will be on sale for that price!!!

I called the seller, he said that they dont actually have them in stock, but will be getting more tomorrow which is wednesday.

One good thing is that they are the authorized seller for it, so warranty would be easy.

Yeah I was waiting to see if that July 8th paypal coupon worked too. I actually still haven't paid via Paypal but I guess I will now :)

I wish I had money to order a sub when it was at 30-35% cashback/paypal coupon, but I am happy so far with my current 'budget' setup.

2x Infinity P362's from Frys for $99
1x Infinity PC350 for $140
Onkyo TX-SR 606 for $272.xx

I hope Frys has the P362s on sale again so I can get them as my rears. :)

Yeah I was waiting to see if that July 8th paypal coupon worked too. I actually still haven't paid via Paypal but I guess I will now :)

I wish I had money to order a sub when it was at 30-35% cashback/paypal coupon, but I am happy so far with my current 'budget' setup.

2x Infinity PC362's from Frys for $99
1x Infinity PC350 for $140
Onkyo TX-SR 606 for $272.xx

I hope Frys has the P362s on sale again so I can get them as my rears. :)

That is insane, having them as your rear too, my room is not big enough for that. But i think it beats getting the Primus 142/152/162 right? when you can have a full 3 ways.

Fry's had the Velodyne VX-10 sub on sale every other week, this seem to be a good sub, very good rating.....its still 130, but i rmemeber seeing this sub for $99 last year black friday. After this center purchase i will not buy anymore sub or rears as i am broke right now, but if a very good deal pop up, i'm in.

Any chance you are a slick dealer?

That is insane, having them as your rear too, my room is not big enough for that. But i think it beats getting the Primus 142/152/162 right? when you can have a full 3 ways.

Fry's had the Velodyne VX-10 sub on sale every other week, this seem to be a good sub, very good rating.....its still 130, but i rmemeber seeing this sub for $99 last year black friday. After this center purchase i will not buy anymore sub or rears as i am broke right now, but if a very good deal pop up, i'm in.

Any chance you are a slick dealer?

Yea I am waiting for the VX-10 Sub to go on sale. It should be on sale next week, since this week it wasnt and last week it was.

But yea having 4 of the 362's can be a bit much if you dont have the room. My current setup in a puny 10x10 room is:

2 Primus 362's Fronts
2 Primus 362's Surrounds
2 JBL 5in Stages Rear surrounds.
Aiwa old school 6way tweeters/mids for my center. This thing beats the crap out of many centers below $300 and is the only center I have tried that hasnt been drowned out by the 362's in such a small room.

So in all I am waiting for the next primus 362 sale to complete my room with 6 of these and the VX-10 for my sub. It maybe overkill for now, but when i get a bigger room it will be all worth it.

That is insane, having them as your rear too, my room is not big enough for that. But i think it beats getting the Primus 142/152/162 right? when you can have a full 3 ways.

Fry's had the Velodyne VX-10 sub on sale every other week, this seem to be a good sub, very good rating.....its still 130, but i rmemeber seeing this sub for $99 last year black friday. After this center purchase i will not buy anymore sub or rears as i am broke right now, but if a very good deal pop up, i'm in.

Any chance you are a slick dealer?

Yep on Slickdeals and Fatwallet.

I'll take a look at the Velodyne sub when its on sale again.

I am still looking for a mount for PC350 to go on my rear projection TV... Any ideas?

After some online search, I found a nice OmniMount Center Channel Speaker Shelf - Model #: OMS CCH1B at Circuit City. It fits very well on my rear projection LCOS TV. It is built sturdy and says it can take upto 30 lbs, so it worked just perfect for my PC350 which is 25 lbs and big. We are loving the clarity in movie dialogues with PC350. What a Joke Bose speakers are, compared to Primus!

If people have room and can find a good deal (like at Fry's), I highly recommend 362s for Front, PC350 for center channel. They are a perfect combo in my opinion for this price.

After some online search, I found a nice OmniMount Center Channel Speaker Shelf - Model #: OMS CCH1B at Circuit City. It fits very well on my rear projection LCOS TV. It is built sturdy and says it can take upto 30 lbs, so it worked just perfect for my PC350 which is 25 lbs and big. We are loving the clarity in movie dialogues with PC350. What a Joke Bose speakers are, compared to Primus!

If people have room and can find a good deal (like at Fry's), I highly recommend 362s for Front, PC350 for center channel. They are a perfect combo in my opinion for this price.

Anyone know if i can place my 55lbs LCD tv on top of the PC350?....i dont have any room for that big of a speaker and i was wondering i can place my TV on it. I dont know if the PC350 can withstand the weight.....or will it damage my TV because its vibrating with every sound it makes. My TV is an expensive one, so that is first priority.

Sorry ptnaidu, im responding so late. I like these 362's alot more than my JBL Venue Stages or the Athena WS-100s. The Highs are much better than the JBL Stages, with just as much bass if not more. The highs are almost on par with the Athena's, but it totally dominates the WS-100's in the bass department. But they are both different types of floor standings speakers so you cant really compare the two.

I snagged a pair of P362's a couple of weekends ago. A buddy of mine bought the JBL Venue Stages when they were on sale a few months ago. Sorry, but I didn't like the JBL's at all. The highs and lows were non-existent. I thought I was listening to an overcompressed MP3 and then some. The P362 is okay for non hip-hop music. However, a sub is still necessary for hip-hop, some rock and most modern movies.

To the guy using these floorstanders as surrounds, whoah! That almost makes sense. My room (24longx14deepx10high) doesn't have any true sides. However, aesthetically it would drive me nuts. I'm definitely not mad at yah!

I snagged a pair of P362's a couple of weekends ago. A buddy of mine bought the JBL Venue Stages when they were on sale a few months ago. Sorry, but I didn't like the JBL's at all. The highs and lows were non-existent. I thought I was listening to an overcompressed MP3 and then some. The P362 is okay for non hip-hop music. However, a sub is still necessary for hip-hop, some rock and most modern movies.

To the guy using these floorstanders as surrounds, whoah! That almost makes sense. My room (24longx14deepx10high) doesn't have any true sides. However, aesthetically it would drive me nuts. I'm definitely not mad at yah!

yea i no longer have the JBLs Stages anymore, they just couldnt compare to the 362's when i got them. But thats just my opinion and what I prefer in sound. So far I have four 362's and hope to either get two more 362s and a PC 350 center or three 362's when they go on sale again at frys.

When was this sale?..and do they have these kind of sale on the PC350 often?

I got the PC350 for $120 new from Vanns in a special sale. I was looking into pricing and all of a sudden I saw that price and my jaw dropped. I quickly ordered it in fear of the sale going away lol.

They do Infinity sales pretty regularly, especially on the Primus line so just keep checking.

....So far I have four 362's and hope to either get two more 362s and a PC 350 center or three 362's when they go on sale again at frys.

Wow, way to go! Do you have that kind of room?

It would be interesting to find out from someone how a 362 performs being a center channel speaker. I am going to watch Planet earth tonight on Blue-ray with my setup. We are loving the front 362s and center 350 so far.

Wow, way to go! Do you have that kind of room?

It would be interesting to find out from someone how a 362 performs being a center channel speaker. I am going to watch Planet earth tonight on Blue-ray with my setup. We are loving the front 362s and center 350 so far.

It would be fine as a center, after all, it has better drivers than the 350. But the problem is how and/or where to mount the beast. Ideally, you'd like it centered, but how do manage that? The 350 is, at least, somewhat smaller, but not by much :)

I've got 4 x 362s also, the 1st 2 from Vann's and the 2nd 2 from the $99 special. Since I originally has 152s as the surrounds up on stands, replacing those with 362s doesn't really take any more space, and, of course, the drivers are automatically elevated to ear level more or less. The 152s are now the rear surrounds up on the same stands as before. It worked out quite well.

If you get a decent sub to go along with the setup, you'll be very happy with the system you can put together for a relatively small amount of $s.

Anyone know if i can place my 55lbs LCD tv on top of the PC350?....i dont have any room for that big of a speaker and i was wondering i can place my TV on it. I dont know if the PC350 can withstand the weight.....or will it damage my TV because its vibrating with every sound it makes. My TV is an expensive one, so that is first priority.

I suppose you could try sitting on the 350 and see if it holds :D

I'd send a note off to Harman and see what they say, is the base of the TV small enough to be secure on the 350? I'd be a little worried that you'd have very little leeway in where the base sat. I considered building a platform out of 2x4s to place the 350 under and have the TV sit on it. I finally decided to go with a shelf just above the TV to hold the 350. Got a set of brackets and shelf from IKEA that look pretty nice.

I got the PC350 for $120 new from Vanns in a special sale. I was looking into pricing and all of a sudden I saw that price and my jaw dropped. I quickly ordered it in fear of the sale going away lol.

They do Infinity sales pretty regularly, especially on the Primus line so just keep checking.

Too late now, whenever i want something i want it that instance. I dont have the patience. Well got it off of ebay $140 new so $20 more oh well, not lucky like you i checked vanns for a week or two and its been $199.

I suppose you could try sitting on the 350 and see if it holds :D

I'd send a note off to Harman and see what they say, is the base of the TV small enough to be secure on the 350? I'd be a little worried that you'd have very little leeway in where the base sat. I considered building a platform out of 2x4s to place the 350 under and have the TV sit on it. I finally decided to go with a shelf just above the TV to hold the 350. Got a set of brackets and shelf from IKEA that look pretty nice.

Yeah i dont know about putting the TV on top of the center. So i'll keep my eyes out for a new tv stand that have all the shelves that i need.

It would be fine as a center, after all, it has better drivers than the 350. But the problem is how and/or where to mount the beast. Ideally, you'd like it centered, but how do manage that? The 350 is, at least, somewhat smaller, but not by much :)


Come on i just bought the PC350, and i choose not to believe that the P362 will make better center than the PC350. When i could have bought another P362 for $99. Also isn't the PC350 made mainly for voices?....shouldn't that at least be better than the P362? I always read that the center speaker is one of the most or is the most important speaker, here you go ruining my hope for the PC350 as being the very best.:(:(:eek::mad::confused:

Come on i just bought the PC350, and i choose not to believe that the P362 will make better center than the PC350. When i could have bought another P362 for $99. Also isn't the PC350 made mainly for voices?....shouldn't that at least be better than the P362? I always read that the center speaker is one of the most or is the most important speaker, here you go ruining my hope for the PC350 as being the very best.:(:(:eek::mad::confused:

There's other discussions in the Speaker forum about this subject, whether having the same speaker for the center as the fronts is the 'best'. The problem generally is how to fit it in, especially in the case of a tall speaker like the 362. I have a 350 for my center, and really don't believe having a 362 as the center would be that noticeably better, point is it would be acceptable for someone to do this.

There's no worry, the 350 works very well, voices are crystal clear and quite loud, I'm still thinking Audessey didn't quite get the setting right (maybe too much dBs), but I've not spent the time to dial it in, and then, of course, every source and movie is a little different anyways.

Does anyone have any good recommendation for both surround and rear speakers to go with my front 362s and center 350 speakers? I would like some wall mountables, like SAT800s from Infinity. I may be able to take book-shelfs for the rear, but definitey not for surround. I just want to get rid of my Bose 5.1 (AM 6 series 2) speakers and am trying to upgrade to 7.1. I am also considering HK AVR 354/254 as part of this upgrade. I have a nice 20x15 home theatre room.

I got my PC350 and swapped my Onkyo TX-SR 606 for a HK AVR 247.

I used the automatic setup with the included mic and gave me these settings.

Left/Right: Large, 150hz crossover
Center: Small 80hz crossover

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6489/img3158pz9.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3158pz9.jpg)

This is my bedroom.. not much room to work with.. I will manage cables better when I move.

heads up guys....the Primus 362s towers are on sale again at Frys, for those who missed out on these the last time. I know a few of you guys did, so I suggest you jump all over these. I will probably get another pair.
http://cdn.travidia.com/rop-sub/22538130

heads up guys....the Primus 362s towers are on sale again at Frys, for those who missed out on these the last time. I know a few of you guys did, so I suggest you jump all over these. I will probably get another pair.
http://cdn.travidia.com/rop-sub/22538130

What? I don't see it in the ad in Sacramento, CA area. Good speakers indeed for those who can get this price!

Anybody has a recommendation on whether to set "small" or "large" for my PC350 center channel. I have Onkyo TX-SR502 receiver and planning to go HK 354. I tried "large" and it sounded great watching a movie. I haven't tried "small" yet and I will this weekend. I am just curious what others are trying.

Does anyone have any good recommendation for both surround and rear speakers to go with my front 362s and center 350 speakers? I would like some wall mountables, like SAT800s from Infinity. I may be able to take book-shelfs for the rear, but definitey not for surround. I just want to get rid of my Bose 5.1 (AM 6 series 2) speakers and am trying to upgrade to 7.1. I am also considering HK AVR 354/254 as part of this upgrade. I have a nice 20x15 home theatre room.

If you want to stay in the Primus line, the P152s & P142s are wall mountable, they have attached hangers. They are more than adequate. Normally, Vanns has the 152s at the same price as the 142s.

Anybody has a recommendation on whether to set "small" or "large" for my PC350 center channel. I have Onkyo TX-SR502 receiver and planning to go HK 354. I tried "large" and it sounded great watching a movie. I haven't tried "small" yet and I will this weekend. I am just curious what others are trying.

By using Large, the AVR is sending full range signal to the speaker, so including low frequencies the speaker is not capable of reproducing. Now, normally, the center gets predominantly the speech, which falls well above the low end of the speaker. My guess is you will not here much, if any, difference when you set it to Small. I agree, the center does a great job.

I have all of of my speakers set to small, including the 362 fronts, with, I believe, a 50hz cut off. I have a subwoofer to cover the low end. I was watching King Kong last night, great movie if you enjoy lots of bass.

By using Large, the AVR is sending full range signal to the speaker, so including low frequencies the speaker is not capable of reproducing. Now, normally, the center gets predominantly the speech, which falls well above the low end of the speaker. My guess is you will not here much, if any, difference when you set it to Small. I agree, the center does a great job.

I have all of of my speakers set to small, including the 362 fronts, with, I believe, a 50hz cut off. I have a subwoofer to cover the low end. I was watching King Kong last night, great movie if you enjoy lots of bass.

Oh so its safe to leave the 362's as the fronts around 50HZ cuttoff? They wont get damaged that way? I was too scared to leave them that low. I have mine all set to 80hz.

What? I don't see it in the ad in Sacramento, CA area. Good speakers indeed for those who can get this price!

Anybody has a recommendation on whether to set "small" or "large" for my PC350 center channel. I have Onkyo TX-SR502 receiver and planning to go HK 354. I tried "large" and it sounded great watching a movie. I haven't tried "small" yet and I will this weekend. I am just curious what others are trying.

Thats weird I got that ad from the San Jose news and even they have the same ad as us here in the So.Cal locations, maybe u missed it?

By using Large, the AVR is sending full range signal to the speaker, so including low frequencies the speaker is not capable of reproducing. Now, normally, the center gets predominantly the speech, which falls well above the low end of the speaker. My guess is you will not here much, if any, difference when you set it to Small. I agree, the center does a great job.

I have all of of my speakers set to small, including the 362 fronts, with, I believe, a 50hz cut off. I have a subwoofer to cover the low end. I was watching King Kong last night, great movie if you enjoy lots of bass.

I tried with my PC350 set to small on my receiver with very little difference and I liked the voice a little better. Eventhough it is not that noticeable, I am going to stick to "small" setting. I will try my front 362s with small setting as well. I will pick a few parts of the same movie and try this time. Yeah, that's a good movie for bass lovers.

Thats weird I got that ad from the San Jose news and even they have the same ad as us here in the So.Cal locations, maybe u missed it?

Nope, I went to the store for something else and the store guy confirmed that they don't have them on sale this weekend.

Oh so its safe to leave the 362's as the fronts around 50HZ cuttoff? They wont get damaged that way? I was too scared to leave them that low. I have mine all set to 80hz.

So far, so good :D

The speaker is rated down to 38hz, so not sure where exactly the best cutoff falls. I had tried 60hz for a while and then dropped it to 50hz. I play movies the loudest, probably about 70 (on an Onkyo 605), that's plenty loud and hear no distortion whatsoever. I've been running this way for close to 6 months now.

There's no one right setting for everyone, experimenting is part of the fun of the hobby.

Nope, I went to the store for something else and the store guy confirmed that they don't have them on sale this weekend.


Sacramento, CA stores had them at regular price but in the Bay Area ad, their stores was on sale. I don't get it sometimes....I mean, couldn't they price match the one in the Bay Area? Anyways, keep checking, these goes on sale often.

Does anyone have a pair of silver grilles from the Primus 252s that they are not using? If so, PM me and I will make you an offer.

JBL S-Center Studio Monitor Series__Vs.__Infinity Primus 162
http://www.audioreview.com/channels/audioreview/images/products/product_123813.jpg __________________________http://di1.shopping.com/images1/pi/a0/c2/0b/38874551-177x150-0-0_Infinity+Primus+P162.jpg


I just purchased a 162 (6.5" two-way) for a CENTER channel speaker. I noticed it was mag-shielded, so I figured, "Why not!"

I got sick and tired of my JBL S-Center center channel speaker after blowing the woofers. I used it for FULL BAND and it just couldn't handle the lower frequencies. So, I cut the lower frequencies from 100hz, and this was still too much for it to handle. The 5.25" woofers blew out, and the warranty was up. Since JBL wanted $100, plus shipping and handling, to deliver me two new woofers, so I opted for the Infinity 162.

It was $100, and had better power handling, better frequency band and a 5 year warranty. You can see why I made this decision, but want to know your opinion of using it as a center channel speaker. I think, since Infinity is made by the same folks as JBL, it shoul 'voice match' my other JBL Studio Monitor series speakers fairly well.

If I really like its performance, I just might purchase a whole new speaker system.

I am little lost and I could use some advice from the experts here. I was about to get rid of my Bose 5.1 Acoustimas 6 series II set, and I heard that I could just continue to use my Bose cube speakers for rear and surround. I have two front 362s (bought at Fry's) and a center (PC350) so far. I am trying to upgrade from Bose, but I would really love to keep these Bose cubes for rear and surround for how they hide with the rest of the room decor (ofcourse it will make my wife happy too :-)). I/she can handle big front/center speakers :-)

Now, the questions that I can not find a definitive answer so far:

1. Do I have to voice match the speakers (same manufacturer) for rear and surround speakers too? I am considering Infinity SAT800 or SAT1200 wall mountables, if I have to.

2. Can I just hang on to my Bose cubes for rear and move the spare front Bose speakers to surround to create 7.1 setup? Ofcourse I will run both rear and surround wires through their acoustimas module -- I heard they sound crappy otherwise. Would it work? Or am I going to miss anything? I am trying to get the best out of both worlds while at the same time trying to save some money.

I have PS3, 1080i Philips 62" LCoS TV, Onkyo Sr502, Samsung HD941 upconversion DVD player, external HDMI switch and am planning to go HK AVR354 in a few days.

Appreciate everyone's help here.

I am little lost and I could use some advice from the experts here. I was about to get rid of my Bose 5.1 Acoustimas 6 series II set, and I heard that I could just continue to use my Bose cube speakers for rear and surround. I have two front 362s (bought at Fry's) and a center (PC350) so far. I am trying to upgrade from Bose, but I would really love to keep these Bose cubes for rear and surround for how they hide with the rest of the room decor (ofcourse it will make my wife happy too :-)). I/she can handle big front/center speakers :-)

Now, the questions that I can not find a definitive answer so far:

1. Do I have to voice match the speakers (same manufacturer) for rear and surround speakers too? I am considering Infinity SAT800 or SAT1200 wall mountables, if I have to.

2. Can I just hang on to my Bose cubes for rear and move the spare front Bose speakers to surround to create 7.1 setup? Ofcourse I will run both rear and surround wires through their acoustimas module -- I heard they sound crappy otherwise. Would it work? Or am I going to miss anything? I am trying to get the best out of both worlds while at the same time trying to save some money.

I have PS3, 1080i Philips 62" LCoS TV, Onkyo Sr502, Samsung HD941 upconversion DVD player, external HDMI switch and am planning to go HK AVR354 in a few days.

Appreciate everyone's help here.

Well the most people would probably say that matching everything with the same brand and model would be ideal. But the most important thing is to match the L/C/R with the same brand and model because about 70% of the sound comes from these three. For side and rear surrounds, it is recommended, but it is not neccessary. I was using my four 362's as my fronts and side surrounds and an old aiwa speaker as my center, but when Frys had the Polk Audio R50's for $119 a pair, I returned one of my 362's lol even though they are only sold in pairs and bought a pair of the Polks. So I moved my remaining three 362's to the front for my L/C/R and used the Polk R50's as my side surrounds. They sound good together and I hardly notice a difference if at all between my Infinity 362's L/C/R and my side surround Polk R50's. Oh yea I also have JBL venues for my rear surrounds too, so I have three different brands and it doesnt bother me at all.

Is there any place where I can order a pair of P362 black grills? And a PC350 black grill? Are all grills available as replacements via direct from Infinity/Harman? Any idea of the cost?

I intend to buy a pair of P362s locally here in the Philippines (but they only come in silver grill), I would then import the PC350 center and P162 surrounds from the US which will come in black grills (Primuses here only come in silver). That's why I am looking for a pair of P362 black grills which are hopefully available as replacement parts.

Just FYI the Fry's here in Houston is also running the P362's for $199 a pair.

Just FYI the Fry's here in Houston is also running the P362's for $199 a pair.

Dallas and Austin have the same sale, too.

It is a Fry's and Infinity sweep across Texas! :D (I'm almost tempted to get a pair to use as surrounds--almost.)

Is there any place where I can order a pair of P362 black grills? And a PC350 black grill? Are all grills available as replacements via direct from Infinity/Harman? Any idea of the cost?

I intend to buy a pair of P362s locally here in the Philippines (but they only come in silver grill), I would then import the PC350 center and P162 surrounds from the US which will come in black grills (Primuses here only come in silver). That's why I am looking for a pair of P362 black grills which are hopefully available as replacement parts.

This (http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/partlist.asp?Parts=P362BK&BrandId=INF&MarketId=HOM&Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA) would be the page, but it does not list one presently. I had the same problem with the subwoofer and just emailed them for the price, when the emsil came back, the part was then on the list. It will probably be somewhere around $30, if I remember correctly.

Is there any place where I can order a pair of P362 black grills? And a PC350 black grill? Are all grills available as replacements via direct from Infinity/Harman? Any idea of the cost?

I intend to buy a pair of P362s locally here in the Philippines (but they only come in silver grill), I would then import the PC350 center and P162 surrounds from the US which will come in black grills (Primuses here only come in silver). That's why I am looking for a pair of P362 black grills which are hopefully available as replacement parts.

I've been thinking of goin the OPPOSITE way...I have them all in black but may want to go silver...

Post a picture of your setup if you can...maybe we can trade (mine are all brand new)

This (http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/partlist.asp?Parts=P362BK&BrandId=INF&MarketId=HOM&Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA) would be the page, but it does not list one presently. I had the same problem with the subwoofer and just emailed them for the price, when the email came back, the part was then on the list. It will probably be somewhere around $30, if I remember correctly.

I already checked out that page before I posted and also did not find the P362 black grills listed. I have already received an e-mail from them notifying me that it is available for order at $38 a piece plus S&H.

I also asked a guy, TheAudioVideoSource on eBay since they are an Infinity dealer and said that they could get me a pair from Infinity directly at $49/pair.

I suggest you ask TheAudioVideoSource from eBay. You might be able to get your subwoofer grill cheaper from them.

I've been thinking of goin the OPPOSITE way...I have them all in black but may want to go silver...

Post a picture of your setup if you can...maybe we can trade (mine are all brand new)

I don't have the setup yet. I'm planning to get a PC350 + P362 + P162 set probably sometime August or September. Will be importing the PC350 & P162 from the US, that way they come with black grills already when bought. Will only get the P362s locally in the Philippines and change the silver grills to black via replacement parts.

P362s cost $525 per pair here! :eek: I won't be able to import them because they're huge.

I don't understand why speakers in Canada cost so much.

Look here the primus P252 are $440 each speaker (NOT A PAIR) and the P362 is $500 each. :mad::mad::mad:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10079846&catid=20322

I don't understand why speakers in Canada cost so much.

Look here the primus P252 are $440 each speaker (NOT A PAIR) and the P362 is $500 each. :mad::mad::mad:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10079846&catid=20322

Wow, and I thought we had it expensive here in the Philippines. Maybe Canada dealers don't carry Infinity Primus and they have to be imported?

In Canada we get ripped off on speakers.

I saw Energy speakers, which are made in Canada, for sale in the USA for less than they cost in canada. :mad::mad:

I just got a pair of 362's from Fry's today. I am running them with a Polk R50 as a center.
Sounds good!

Come on i just bought the PC350, and i choose not to believe that the P362 will make better center than the PC350. When i could have bought another P362 for $99. Also isn't the PC350 made mainly for voices?....shouldn't that at least be better than the P362? I always read that the center speaker is one of the most or is the most important speaker, here you go ruining my hope for the PC350 as being the very best.:(:(:eek::mad::confused:

I used to own the PC350.

But after reading this article:
http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/vertical-vs-horizontal-speaker-designs

I decided to try three P362's for a total of 300$.

Sorry to say but this setup sounds better than the Polk or PC350 I had before.

Although if space is an issue, stick with the PC350. It is a great Center!

@jehanzeb

Just wondering what your TV is? I find it hard to imagine how placement would be for the P362 center if your TV is not a projector. Can you take a picture of your setup? Thanks!

@jehanzeb

Just wondering what your TV is? I find it hard to imagine how placement would be for the P362 center if your TV is not a projector. Can you take a picture of your setup? Thanks!

I have a Sony XBR4 (52"). The rack for the TV was elevated about 6 inches from the ground to clear the top of the P362.

Sorry, my Canon SD550 has an 'E18' error on it right now so will post pics when it's back from repair.

By using Large, the AVR is sending full range signal to the speaker, so including low frequencies the speaker is not capable of reproducing. Now, normally, the center gets predominantly the speech, which falls well above the low end of the speaker. My guess is you will not here much, if any, difference when you set it to Small. I agree, the center does a great job.

I have all of of my speakers set to small, including the 362 fronts, with, I believe, a 50hz cut off. I have a subwoofer to cover the low end. I was watching King Kong last night, great movie if you enjoy lots of bass.

I cut my P362's (mains) off at 40 Hz, since I don't yet have a sub. I also have the HK AVR-247. I set them to small, though. The whole large small thing could fill an entire forum full of threads. Some people think all speakers should be small. Others think all should be large.

Oh so its safe to leave the 362's as the fronts around 50HZ cuttoff? They wont get damaged that way? I was too scared to leave them that low. I have mine all set to 80hz.

Why not? I could understand sending 25 Hz to the mains as a no-no, but 45 shouldn't be an issue. They did rattle when I watched The Eye this past weekend. (No sub...) However, I need to open them up and brace everything better anyway.

I used to own the PC350.

But after reading this article:
http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/vertical-vs-horizontal-speaker-designs

I decided to try three P362's for a total of 300$.

Sorry to say but this setup sounds better than the Polk or PC350 I had before.

Although if space is an issue, stick with the PC350. It is a great Center!


I like the idea of the P362 as a center but only for people with wall mounted displays. My rear projection DLP does not do vertical off-axis well. Side angle viewing is fine, but vertical off is a no-no...

I cut my P362's (mains) off at 40 Hz, since I don't yet have a sub. I also have the HK AVR-247. I set them to small, though. The whole large small thing could fill an entire forum full of threads. Some people think all speakers should be small. Others think all should be large.

I'm confused as to why you would set your speakers to small if you don't yet have a sub. They will produce bass below your selected cut-off point, and do it proudly, just not loudly. Once upon a time nobody had subs or the choice of large or small. All speakers were sent a full range signal. My 1972 Large Advents are playing pipe organ music as I write this.:confused::)

I'm confused as to why you would set your speakers to small if you don't yet have a sub. They will produce bass below your selected cut-off point, and do it proudly, just not loudly. Once upon a time nobody had subs or the choice of large or small. All speakers were sent a full range signal. My 1972 Large Advents are playing pipe organ music as I write this.:confused::)

Honestly, I'm still getting used to them. I had several people that owned this speaker and AVR combo tell me to set it to small. I'm well aware that only 20 years ago everything was stereo. (Buck Adams Stereo World bringing you the best in Hi-Fi!) I had some possible distortion when playing low bass at large. I'm taking it easy on them.

Can Primus P362 users who use a "large" setting please chime in and kindly PM me what receiver/amplifier you are using with it for a 5.1 HT setup? I want to get a receiver which would allow me to use its "large" setting capabilities. Thinking about a Yamaha RX-V663.

Thanks!

Can Primus P362 users who use a "large" setting please chime in and kindly PM me what receiver/amplifier you are using with it for a 5.1 HT setup? I want to get a receiver which would allow me to use its "large" setting capabilities. Thinking about a Yamaha RX-V663.

Thanks!

I currently own an HK AVR 347 but have used the HK 254 and the RX-V663 with these speakers.

All my speakers were set as 'Small' with an 80hz cutoff.

If you own a sub, 'Small' is a good baseline to start with:

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/128214.html

If you don't own a sub, setting them to 'Large' would work fine.

Would the Primus Theater Pack (http://www.amazon.com/Harman-PRIMUSTPBK-Infinity-Primus-Theater/dp/B00025538C) be suitable for use with the Elemental Designs A2-300 sub? (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407&osCsid=8115dc94eca3f1b647790fe4b036cb2d)

Dumb question...but worth asking regardless.

Would the Primus Theater Pack (http://www.amazon.com/Harman-PRIMUSTPBK-Infinity-Primus-Theater/dp/B00025538C) be suitable for use with the Elemental Designs A2-300 sub? (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407&osCsid=8115dc94eca3f1b647790fe4b036cb2d)

Dumb question...but worth asking regardless.


You can, you do not have to match your speaker setup with the same exact brand subwoofer. Other thing to think about is your room size.

Would the Primus Theater Pack (http://www.amazon.com/Harman-PRIMUSTPBK-Infinity-Primus-Theater/dp/B00025538C) be suitable for use with the Elemental Designs A2-300 sub? (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=407&osCsid=8115dc94eca3f1b647790fe4b036cb2d)

Dumb question...but worth asking regardless.

Should work fine...

:cool:

You can, you do not have to match your speaker setup with the same exact brand subwoofer. Other thing to think about is your room size.

I'm well aware of that. More worrying is that the 12" sub might only be usable up to 70hz, while the surround satellites might only play down to 100.

If anyone has a recommendation for a good sub below $300, I'm more than open to hearing it.

Looking for some help with a 5.1 HT configuration.

I was all set on going with the following setup...
Front: 362's
Center: 350
Rear: 252's
Sub: 212

However, the main issue I'm having is that I have less space than I realized for the center. Width is not a problem, but I only have about 7" height and
7"-8" max depth to work with.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a more trimline center that would fit the space I have available and still match well with the 362's and wouldn't cost a fortune?

Also, I was figuring on the 252's on the rear as opposed to the 162's since by the time I added quality speaker stands, the price difference wasn't that much. Am I better off going this route or would it be a better idea to have bookshelf rears that could be elevated higher on stands? Does it make much of a difference?

Thanks in advance for the help guys.

Width is not a problem, but I only have about 7" height and
7"-8" max depth to work with.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a more trimline center that would fit the space I have available and still match well with the 362's and wouldn't cost a fortune?



Try this center:

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/details/548249891

• Size: 6.69" H x 17.00" W x 8.38" D

jehanzeb - thanks!

Am I giving up a lot by going down from the 3-way 360 center to the 2-way 250 center esp when pairing with the 3-way 362's?

Also, do you think I would be better served to go with bookshelfs and stands for the higher elevation in the back vs. using 262's?

Thanks again.

jehanzeb - thanks!

Am I giving up a lot by going down from the 3-way 360 center to the 2-way 250 center esp when pairing with the 3-way 362's?

Also, do you think I would be better served to go with bookshelfs and stands for the higher elevation in the back vs. using 262's?

Thanks again.

Alot of people say that there is a big difference between the 350 and 250. The beta 250 center will sound a bit brighter than the primus, but I think its as close as you can get because the primus 2way center doesnt fit in your shelf either.

As for the rear, if you are going to use 262s why not just wait till frys has a sale on the 362's for $99 again instead of using a 262 or 162...it will be a big upgrade.

Alot of people say that there is a big difference between the 350 and 250. The beta 250 center will sound a bit brighter than the primus, but I think its as close as you can get because the primus 2way center doesnt fit in your shelf either.

As for the rear, if you are going to use 262s why not just wait till frys has a sale on the 362's for $99 again instead of using a 262 or 162...it will be a big upgrade.

Thanks for the help...

As far as the center spkr goes, the other option that might work would be to put it on a stand behind the TV. I could probably work it to align with the front edge of the TV, but I would need to find a speaker stand that could adjust to 54" and accomodate a center the size of a 360. Does such a beast exist?

Regarding the backs, I didn't realize 362's could be had for $99/ea. How often does Fry's run a sale like that?

Also, how is the PS-212 sub? It can be had for around $250. Seems like it would be good buy at that price unless it underperforms or has had a history of problems???

Thanks

What kind of Tv do you have? If its a DLP this stand which hooks on to the top and back of the TV may work, It holds up to 30lbs, but if you have a flat screen LCD or Plasma it wont.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OmniMount-Center-Channel-Speaker-Shelf-Platinum-CCH1P/sem/rpsm/oid/121849/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do


Over the last month and a half Fry's has had the 362's for $99 each twice. I dont know much about the PS-212 sub, Im pretty sure there are better subs for that price, just look around in the subwoofer forum. Matching the Sub with the same brand is not important.

Thanks for the help...

As far as the center spkr goes, the other option that might work would be to put it on a stand behind the TV. I could probably work it to align with the front edge of the TV, but I would need to find a speaker stand that could adjust to 54" and accomodate a center the size of a 360. Does such a beast exist?

Regarding the backs, I didn't realize 362's could be had for $99/ea. How often does Fry's run a sale like that?

Also, how is the PS-212 sub? It can be had for around $250. Seems like it would be good buy at that price unless it underperforms or has had a history of problems???

Thanks

Can Primus P362 users who use a "large" setting please chime in and kindly PM me what receiver/amplifier you are using with it for a 5.1 HT setup? I want to get a receiver which would allow me to use its "large" setting capabilities. Thinking about a Yamaha RX-V663.

Thanks!


This is my setup, used the Audessey setting to determine Large or Small:

Denon 988
Samsung DLP HDTV
Front- Infinity Primus 362 Floor Speakers
Center - Infinity Primus 350
Surround - Bose 501 Floor Speakers (left over from old system - 10 yrs old)
Sub - Mirage Frx-S10

The bose speakers sound good, but wonder how the Infinity 252 floor speakers would sound as the back surround. That should be a good match to the Infinity 362 and 350 center. I have been pleased with the Infinity speakers so far, and was curious if anyone had heard the 252's as back surround, and how good they sounded.

Audessey setup of Sub- the instructions say:
set volume to center
Crossover Frequency - maximum
Low pass filter and standby mode - Off
My Mirage Sub is one that I bought 10 yrs ago, and don't have the same controls. It has a Level Control, and a LP Filter Control. How would you set those in order to best maximize the Auddesey setup?

The results of my setup are: Front - Large, Center - Small, Surround - Large

FL - 14.9ft channel level -3.0db
FR - 15.0ft channel level -2.5db
C - 14.3 ft channel level -2.5db
SW - 14.0 ft channel level +6.5db
SL - 7.5 ft channel level 0db
SR - 8.6ft channel level +1.5db

Crossover Frequency : 80HZ
FRONT LARGE
CENTER SMALL
SURROUND LARGE

I would choose the 252 over the 362 for my rear surround based on size. It's give and take with the wife. She almost freaked when I wheeled in the 362's for the front. I can just imagine if I wheeled in two more for the rear. The 252's are only about 3 or 4 inches shorter than the 362. They are still fairly large, and should provide good surround. I also considered the 162 on stands, but felt the extra cost of stands made the 252 an attractive opton.

Can Primus P362 users who use a "large" setting please chime in and kindly PM me what receiver/amplifier you are using with it for a 5.1 HT setup? I want to get a receiver which would allow me to use its "large" setting capabilities. Thinking about a Yamaha RX-V663.

Thanks!

Read this if it helps:

Speaker settings: small or large:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51

Read this if it helps:

Speaker settings: small or large:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51

Good read thanks for posting.

@jehanzeb

Just wondering what your TV is? I find it hard to imagine how placement would be for the P362 center if your TV is not a projector. Can you take a picture of your setup? Thanks!

After the 5.8 earthquake out here, I am not taking any chances with the TV stand.

Finally got my TV mounted....with the three P362's shown here too.

How does the p362 compare to the Polk r50? I'm thinking of getting two p362's with a pc350 center and throwing my r50's in the back.

Thanks.

How does the p362 compare to the Polk r50? I'm thinking of getting two p362's with a pc350 center and throwing my r50's in the back.

Thanks.

Compares very well! The little 50's are amazing speakers for the 60$ I paid for one speaker (sold individually).

Great mid-bass, smooth highs and a wide soundstage.

Their sound is warm without being boomy and clear enough without being too thin.

They might be overkill for surround duties but are an excellent choice nonethless.

Here are some user reviews on Polk's site:

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/products/individual/floorstanding/r50/?reviews=1

How does the p362 compare to the Polk r50? I'm thinking of getting two p362's with a pc350 center and throwing my r50's in the back.

Thanks.

They are great as surrounds with the P362, I bought a pair to match my 362 fronts....may buy another set for my rear surrounds.

Thanks for the info guys. I did buy the r50's from Fry's for $59.99 each, but I saw the p362's for $99 and read more about them here. I'll be waiting for the next p362 sale at Fry's--they were actually on sale last week, but I didn't know anything about them.

I'll have a 5.1 setup with a TX-SR606 receiver, P362B fronts, PC350 center, R50 rear surrounds, and an Ascendant Audio Avalanche 15" in 4.5ft^3 sealed.

Hey all,

I recently bought a Panasonic 50" plasma TV (50PZ800U) and I'm starting to put the funding together for a surround sound system to match it. I've always heard nothing but good things about Infinity speakers, so I started to put together a dream system. What I have tentatively selected is the following:

Front: Two Infinity Primus 362
Center: Infinity Primus C350
Surround: Two (or four?) Infinity Primus P162
Low end: Infinity PS212 Subwoofer

I'll probably push all that with an Onkyo receiver. Now, a couple of questions.

1. The above setup will put me past $2K. That's quite a lot of money. If I'm to spend that much, I want quality. Am I correct in saying that Infinity sound quality and build quality is still considered pretty high?

2. My plasma TV is in a basement room, I would say 14' x 14', no windows, all closed off, no outside sounds at all. Basically a dark, enclosed room, TV against one wall, couch on the opposite wall. If I put that much speaker power down there, will it be too much? Should I be looking at a smaller system?

3. Any alternate setups I should be considering? I'm not opposed to other brands, I just don't know what I should be searching/researching on this site. All pointers would be very appreciated.

I would think the above setup (if you are including speakers only) should be well below $2000. Fry's has the 362's on sale for $99 each once in awhile.

Hey all,

I recently bought a Panasonic 50" plasma TV (50PZ800U) and I'm starting to put the funding together for a surround sound system to match it. I've always heard nothing but good things about Infinity speakers, so I started to put together a dream system. What I have tentatively selected is the following:

Front: Two Infinity Primus 362
Center: Infinity Primus C350
Surround: Two (or four?) Infinity Primus P162
Low end: Infinity PS212 Subwoofer

I'll probably push all that with an Onkyo receiver. Now, a couple of questions.

1. The above setup will put me past $2K. That's quite a lot of money. If I'm to spend that much, I want quality. Am I correct in saying that Infinity sound quality and build quality is still considered pretty high?

2. My plasma TV is in a basement room, I would say 14' x 14', no windows, all closed off, no outside sounds at all. Basically a dark, enclosed room, TV against one wall, couch on the opposite wall. If I put that much speaker power down there, will it be too much? Should I be looking at a smaller system?

3. Any alternate setups I should be considering? I'm not opposed to other brands, I just don't know what I should be searching/researching on this site. All pointers would be very appreciated.

#1) That speaker/sub setup is below $1k if you know how to shop (Fry's, Craigslist and Ebay!). Honestly, I would skip the Infinity subwoofer and get something else. The sub does NOT have to match. I'm considering a similar setup, but going DIY on the sub.

#2) Not too much but you will probably want to treat it most basements have hard surfaces everywhere which reflect sound like crazy...

#3) See my comment about the sub.

Fry's has the P362's on sale again for $99 each

Fry's has the P362's on sale again for $99 each
What location? I didn't see them in the San Diego UT ad, only saw the Polk RTi8's.

i got pc350 center p162 fronts p142 surrounds and the ps210 subwoofer they are great speakers for the price going to be trading the p162's in for B&W 683's

all being powered by onkyo tx-606 / HTPC

I'm in Houston.
I got the sale ad out of the Houston Chronicle

What location? I didn't see them in the San Diego UT ad, only saw the Polk RTi8's.

They have it here in Austin, too. The sales of the Infinities have been more frequent here in TX. I haven't seen as many in California. They're on sale in the Dallas area much more frequently (almost everyweekend).

If it weren't such a pain to lift my DLP, I would get a P362 as a center, too.

I added a pair of 162's to complete 7.1 setup but these came with black grill. My other Primus's from last year all have silver grills. If someone want to do an exchange of their silver grills for my black ones, let me know. Thanks.

I need a center channel to go with the P362Bs. Im not so happy with the big/bulky Infinity centers. Any recommendation of JBLs / Klipsch?

JBL is also made by Harman and hence i wonder if they will match.

One user said his C2 matched pretty well but that thing is ugly too.

Do you have room to use a bookshelf speaker as a center? If so, get a primus 162 or similar.

I need a center channel to go with the P362Bs. Im not so happy with the big/bulky Infinity centers. Any recommendation of JBLs / Klipsch?

JBL is also made by Harman and hence i wonder if they will match.

One user said his C2 matched pretty well but that think is ugly too.

I was the one who used the C2 center from Klipsch, but that was very bulky as well. I also had the chance to use my dads JBL N series center channel, but they didnt seem to match tremble wise.

Some slim center that you might look into is the Def. Tech center...forgot which model it was, but it was very slim.

Do you have room to use a bookshelf speaker as a center? If so, get a primus 162 or similar.
How does the p162 compare to the pc350 as a center?

I added a pair of 162's to complete 7.1 setup but these came with black grill. My other Primus's from last year all have silver grills. If someone want to do an exchange of their silver grills for my black ones, let me know. Thanks.


I'll do it! I have the exact opposite dilemma that you have. Black grills on my 362s and pc350 and silver on my 162s. PM me.

has anyone ever compared the PS212 to the CSW10?

Thanks

I just picked up the Pioneer VSX-1018AH-K A/V Reciever yesterday and was wondering if anyone was familiar with this unit. Im sorta novice to how all the freq. cutoffs etc mean. I get fustrated when I look at all these settings and all I want is my Home Theater to sound good. I have the Infinity Primus P362 (x2), PC350 (Center), and the P142 (Bookshelfx2) speakers for my setup. My Subwoofer is the Klipsch Sub-10. Does anyone know what the freq is on these P362's? What setting on the subwoofer should I set? 80hz? 100Hz? Also on these Reciever you cant set the speakers to large or small, and set the sub to Yes or Plus. I know this is alot to ask but Im just not quiet sure what Im supposes to set these at. Thanks for all the info.

Anything else you can think of will help.

chris,

All you ever need to know about HT set up:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554

can't wait for another p362 $100 sale :(

Electronics expo has a great deal on the ps 212 @ 209. I ordered one even tho' I have a sub. I wanted to hear what it sounds like. You can also get it thru amazon...that where i ordered it because i get points on my card.

I doubt i will beat my HSU stf-2 but I'll see and let ya'll know

--Mike

can't wait for another p362 $100 sale :(

Just picked up a pair of 362 at my local Fry's (San Diego) for $99/each using a raincheck issued three weeks ago. They sound great and the bass is more than adequate for my taste. I combine those with my 20+ year-old Velodyne sub and the blend is perfect. I highly recommend those 362's , especially if you can get them for $99 a piece.

Just picked up a pair of 362 at my local Fry's (San Diego) for $99/each using a raincheck issued three weeks ago.

Get a third P362. Use it as a center. You will love the integrated sound.

I got my 3rd P362 from the San Marcos Fry's (no pair needed to buy).

I am interested in the Infinity Primus line.

I made a thread about my search with a lot more detail, please give me some feedback.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1061346

Thanks!

Get a third P362. Use it as a center. You will love the integrated sound.

I got my 3rd P362 from the San Marcos Fry's (no pair needed to buy).

Dang! Nice set up and beautiful picture !!!! And thanks for the suggestion about using a third 362 as center spkr. I hope they will have another $99-sale soon.

i hope so too... it sucks that i didnt realize i needed new speakers until now.... plus there is no fry's stores near by

i just wish someone would do me the favor and buy it for me so and ship it to me... cant find one person to do that

Dang! Nice set up and beautiful picture !!!! And thanks for the suggestion about using a third 362 as center spkr. I hope they will have another $99-sale soon.

Thanks for the compliment!

I read this article and found out a conventional Center Channel speaker is a compromise due to space issues:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/vertical-vs-horizontal-speaker-designs

So, it was a no brainer to pay the same price for three P362's then one JBL ES25 Center Channel alone *and* get a more integrated soundstage!

I need a center channel to go with the P362Bs. Im not so happy with the big/bulky Infinity centers. Any recommendation of JBLs / Klipsch?

JBL is also made by Harman and hence i wonder if they will match.

One user said his C2 matched pretty well but that thing is ugly too.


If you don't mind me asking, what is it about the center channel you dont like? Is it the size? I have the PC350 with my P362's and they blend well together. It's also not recommended to change manf. on speaker within a home theater. If you do the sound may not be equal. Totally up to you though. Just wondering.

Just picked up a pair of 362 at my local Fry's (San Diego) for $99/each using a raincheck issued three weeks ago. They sound great and the bass is more than adequate for my taste. I combine those with my 20+ year-old Velodyne sub and the blend is perfect. I highly recommend those 362's , especially if you can get them for $99 a piece.
Are the p362's always on sale? Or do I have to wait to see it in the ad? I've been waiting for them to hit $99 again since about 4 weeks ago when they were last on sale.

I just picked up a pair of 362's and am wondering if there is a way to purchase black grills for them vs. the silver they came in?

i hope so too... it sucks that i didnt realize i needed new speakers until now.... plus there is no fry's stores near by

Sorry to hear you guys have no Fry's near by!

My problem is that we have too many Fry's near by! We have about 4 Fry's within 20 minutes drive from each other! I'm in the silicon valley of-course. :D

I picked up a pair of P362 a couple of months ago for $99 each speaker. I thought they sounded pretty good until my co-worker gave me a set of Pinnacle Gold Classic Reference towers for FREE! These Pinnacles were about 8 - 10 years old, but kick the crap out of the Primus as far as sound quality goes.

I just picked up a pair of 362's and am wondering if there is a way to purchase black grills for them vs. the silver they came in?

Contact AudioVideoSource on eBay. I think they can order for you, $50/pair shipped.

I have a question for you all. So I have the P362's which are rated at 38Hz - 20,000Hz and what I'm trying to figure out is what should I set my Sub crossover at? People in here are talking about fluent sound between the sub and the front speakers, basically making them sound uniform, no drop outs etc. My Subwoofer (Klipsch Sub-10) goes down to 40Hz on the crossover, what do you think would be the best setting? 40Hz or 60Hz? I got the link to that website, but it didn't really explain that much. Maybe I missed something but I just want my HT to sound good!


Reciever - Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH
Fronts - Infinity Primus P362's
Center - Infinity Primus PC350
Rears - Infinity Primus P142's

One other question, is there some sort of meter or gadget out there that will tune a HT system to sound all uniform?

I know there probably is but does anyone have any good suggestions?

I have a question for you all. So I have the P362's which are rated at 38Hz - 20,000Hz and what I'm trying to figure out is what should I set my Sub crossover at? People in here are talking about fluent sound between the sub and the front speakers, basically making them sound uniform, no drop outs etc. My Subwoofer (Klipsch Sub-10) goes down to 40Hz on the crossover, what do you think would be the best setting? 40Hz or 60Hz? I got the link to that website, but it didn't really explain that much. Maybe I missed something but I just want my HT to sound good!


Reciever - Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH
Fronts - Infinity Primus P362's
Center - Infinity Primus PC350
Rears - Infinity Primus P142's

Set your front speakers to SMALL. Yes... they may be able to go down to 38Hz but your subwoofer will do a much better job of covering the low end.

Setting the P362s to SMALL gives it more headroom to reproduce mid and high frequencies properly. Low frequencies tax the amplifier more.

I believe most people crossover their speakers at 80Hz. You can then set your subwoofer to 80Hz or 90Hz. This minimizes double bass (bass from your front speakers + bass from your subwoofer).


One other question, is there some sort of meter or gadget out there that will tune a HT system to sound all uniform?

I know there probably is but does anyone have any good suggestions?

RadioShack - 7-Range Analog Display Sound Level Meter (Link (http://www.radioshack.com/sm-7-range-analog-display-sound-level-meter--pi-2103668.html))

Sorry to hear you guys have no Fry's near by!


I picked up a pair of P362 a couple of months ago for $99 each speaker. I thought they sounded pretty good until my co-worker gave me a set of Pinnacle Gold Classic Reference towers for FREE! These Pinnacles were about 8 - 10 years old, but kick the crap out of the Primus as far as sound quality goes.


Could you please elaborate on how the Pinnacles are superior to the 362. I do not doubt your assessment but would like to hear more details than "kicking the crap out of the Primus". Inquisitive mind would love to learn from the sound expert!

Could you please elaborate on how the Pinnacles are superior to the 362.

Here is a quick write up on the Pinnacles:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/speaker-face-off-i-battle-of-the-budget-towers

As good as the P362's are for the money, the Pinnacles are higher quality speakers and I don't doubt they will sound better than the P362.

The P362's are great for home theater but not so much for critical 2-channel listening.

Could you please elaborate on how the Pinnacles are superior to the 362. I do not doubt your assessment but would like to hear more details than "kicking the crap out of the Primus". Inquisitive mind would love to learn from the sound expert!

I am by no ways a sound expert, but the Pinnacle's just sounds better, fuller, and higher fidelity. It has much more bass than the p362s. It also doesn't flatten out as the volume goes up higher -- it keeps getting louder where as you can tell the p362 has reached its max efficiency. I tested both speakers with an HK AVR-745 in stereo mode with bass and treble turned all the way up and subwoofer turned off to compare.

I'm not knocking the p362 off at all. It's a nice speaker set for the price, but I just couldn't believe a 10 year old speaker sounded better than my newer speaker set! I'll probably get another set when Fry's have them on sale again.

I am by no ways a sound expert, but the Pinnacle's just sounds better, fuller, and higher fidelity. It has much more bass than the p362s. It also doesn't flatten out as the volume goes up higher -- it keeps getting louder where as you can tell the p362 has reached its max efficiency. I tested both speakers with an HK AVR-745 in stereo mode with bass and treble turned all the way up and subwoofer turned off to compare.


I notice the same issue with my Primus 362s also, but this is when I drive these to reference levels in bass heavy music/movie soundtracks... Suddenly when the bass hits the overall volume seems to drop. When I crossed these at 50hz/80hz to the sub though the problem goes away

These are fine enough imo for 2 channel music that doesnt deal with very dynamic bass at 35-50hz :D

Folks, let's not forget that the Primus line is Infinity's starter, pre-school, beginner, bottom-of-the-food-chain speaker. Miracles should not be expected. But Floyd Toole, the late 20th Century speaker design master, did have a hand in their conception. That's part of the reason why, despite their low price (and 99 bucks for a tower speaker like the 362 from any brand, let alone Infinity is an unexpected miracle) they outperform pretty much everybody up to double their price. But it's important to be realistic and not get carried away by the hype. There are lots of better speakers than the Primus series. Just be prepared to either pay lots more or buy used.

I know this link has been posted before, but it's nice to give a nod to quality when it raises its pretty head.

http://stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/1007inf/

I, as an owner of 5 different pairs of Infinity speakers, plus two different centers, only hope and pray that Harman doesn't delete the entire Infinity line altogether. With JBL as their mainstream line and Revel at the top where does the Moebius strip fit in?

I am by no ways a sound expert, but the Pinnacle's just sounds better, fuller, and higher fidelity. It has much more bass than the p362s. It also doesn't flatten out as the volume goes up higher -- it keeps getting louder where as you can tell the p362 has reached its max efficiency. I tested both speakers with an HK AVR-745 in stereo mode with bass and treble turned all the way up and subwoofer turned off to compare.

I'm not knocking the p362 off at all. It's a nice speaker set for the price, but I just couldn't believe a 10 year old speaker sounded better than my newer speaker set! I'll probably get another set when Fry's have them on sale again.


Thank you for having elaborated on the Primus' weakness which was also mentioned a few posts later by another member. Good thing I don't listen to my music at lease-breaking level :) and that I crossed over at 250 so the 362 should do it for me right now.

Incidentally, at 5 times the price of the 362, the Pinnacles should sound better and BTW, the co-worker who gave you the Pinnacles is a very nice person :) Wonder what replaced his Pinnacles?

I think it has to do more with your receiver. It cannot supply enought current to drive thee bass out of the primus 362. The sub helps cutting that high current draw problem.
I notice the same issue with my Primus 362s also, but this is when I drive these to reference levels in bass heavy music/movie soundtracks... Suddenly when the bass hits the overall volume seems to drop. When I crossed these at 50hz/80hz to the sub though the problem goes away

These are fine enough imo for 2 channel music that doesnt deal with very dynamic bass at 35-50hz :D

For an average person the Infinity Primus speakers are ideal. You get what you pay for is what it really comes to. Average users that just want the upgrade from there Theater in a box will most likely enjoy these speakers, I know I did. I personally love these speakers. I have the P362's for fronts, the PC350 for the Center and the P142's for the 2 rears at the moment. I plan on getting two more P142's to make it 7.1 not to far in the future. I can't say I have noticed the drop offs that you guys have been talking about, but I also don't crank my system to the extreme either. The P362's seem to handle the mid bass pretty good, or within my standards. The PC350 can be a little boomy at times, but that can be fixed within the reciver. The P142's work well for the rears. I almost went with the P162's but figure they may be a bit overkill for rear speakers, maybe I'm wrong though. All in all I live in a 1200sqft Apartment and this setup is more than enough.

I picked up a pair of P362 a couple of months ago for $99 each speaker. I thought they sounded pretty good until my co-worker gave me a set of Pinnacle Gold Classic Reference towers for FREE! These Pinnacles were about 8 - 10 years old, but kick the crap out of the Primus as far as sound quality goes.

I lived in Mountain View for 4 years and Fremont for another 4. I know about Fry's. I bought my P362's from the one here in Austin.

I'm not surprised the Pinnacles gave you better sound. The P362's do sound better if their damned magnetic shields are glued down. Others have considered adding better bracing or additional fill to the cabinets to bring them up into the range of competing with $500-1000 speakers.

The previous Primus tower could dip down to 4 Ohms at certain frequencies, but a HK AVR-745 should definitely be able to supply enough juice.

The P362's sound better than anything else under $500 at Fry's. The Polk RtiA9's trump it too, but those are $1700/pair speakers.

For an average person the Infinity Primus speakers are ideal. You get what you pay for is what it really comes to. Average users that just want the upgrade from there Theater in a box will most likely enjoy these speakers, I know I did. I personally love these speakers. I have the P362's for fronts, the PC350 for the Center and the P142's for the 2 rears at the moment. I plan on getting two more P142's to make it 7.1 not to far in the future. I can't say I have noticed the drop offs that you guys have been talking about, but I also don't crank my system to the extreme either. The P362's seem to handle the mid bass pretty good, or within my standards. The PC350 can be a little boomy at times, but that can be fixed within the reciver. The P142's work well for the rears. I almost went with the P162's but figure they may be a bit overkill for rear speakers, maybe I'm wrong though. All in all I live in a 1200sqft Apartment and this setup is more than enough.

The PC350 is boomy? I bought a PC250 off Flea-bay. I find it to be a bit flat. I would rather deal with flat than boomy any day of the week. Do you have it crossed at 80 or something higher to deal with the boominess?

There's no such thing as overkill for rear speakers if you listen to multichannel music. I going with in-ceiling ERS 310's for my surrounds in a 2100 sq ft house with a 600 sq. ft. great room. The P362's still fill the space just fine until I get someone to donate me me some Revels, Von Schweikerts, Wilson Watt Puppies or higher end AV123's, Axioms, etc.

I notice the same issue with my Primus 362s also, but this is when I drive these to reference levels in bass heavy music/movie soundtracks... Suddenly when the bass hits the overall volume seems to drop. When I crossed these at 50hz/80hz to the sub though the problem goes away

These are fine enough imo for 2 channel music that doesnt deal with very dynamic bass at 35-50hz :D

The P362 bottoms out on paper at 37Hz. However, I know it's not a full range speaker. 80 is the recommended crossover for home theater anyway. I cross mine at 40. I haven't noticed a volume drop.

The PC350 is boomy? I bought a PC250 off Flea-bay. I find it to be a bit flat. I would rather deal with flat than boomy any day of the week. Do you have it crossed at 80 or something higher to deal with the boominess?

There's no such thing as overkill for rear speakers if you listen to multichannel music. I going with in-ceiling ERS 310's for my surrounds in a 2100 sq ft house with a 600 sq. ft. great room. The P362's still fill the space just fine until I get someone to donate me me some Revels, Von Schweikerts, Wilson Watt Puppies or higher end AV123's, Axioms, etc.

I just bought a new reciever and havn't adjusted anything yet, so thats why I said it sounded a bit boomy. The center sounds great once its tweaked. For the Rears I meant the P162's are a bit big, almost 15inch tall, 8inch wide, and 11inches deep, also weight in at 16lbs. I plan on wall mounting my speakers but dont want to rip the sheetrock out. Yeah I know thats what wall studs are for, but I also gotta think about room in this apartment, who knows i may get some down the road when I move into a house!

I just bought a new reciever and havn't adjusted anything yet, so thats why I said it sounded a bit boomy. The center sounds great once its tweaked. For the Rears I meant the P162's are a bit big, almost 15inch tall, 8inch wide, and 11inches deep, also weight in at 16lbs. I plan on wall mounting my speakers but dont want to rip the sheetrock out. Yeah I know thats what wall studs are for, but I also gotta think about room in this apartment, who knows i may get some down the road when I move into a house!

The 162's aren't wall mountable out of the box just like your PC350. The 142's and 152's are wall mountable just like my PC250.

What receiver did you buy?

The reason I went with the P142's is because they have a theaded screw area for aftermarket wall mounts. I only have so much room right now as it is for the P142's on my end tables. The P142's work great and they allow me to wall mount in the future.

I got this Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH because it had everything I need for my HT setup. I have the PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, Xbox, Comcast DVR, DVD player...etc...etc. I know it's not the top of the line in all, but with my budget it works great. What do you think of this reciever?? Any down sides?

Well in the past few hours I've been pondering what kind of speaker wall mounts I should get for my Primus P142's. I've looked around at various AV shops and they only seems to carry the cheap 8lb wallmount which I feel wont do the job for the 142's. Does anyone in this Thead have the P142's wall mounted and if so do you have a model and pictures of your wallmounts with the speakers? If anyone has any suggestions or websites that may help me find some good wallmounts please let me know. I plan on wall mounting these speakers here in the next month or so.

Thanks for all the input!

Hi all,

I have kind of an odd request and maybe someone can help out. I have a set of Infinity Primus speakers (pair of 362s, pair of 162s, and PC350). All have black grilles except for the 162s, they are silver. If anyone has the opposite situation, I would love to swap out the 162 grilles with you (my silver for your black), that is if you're interested. I just hate having the mismatched grilles. PM me if interested.

The black grills are available from Harman. I needed a silver gril for my PS210 Sub, and they sent it to me no charge.

I think it has to do more with your receiver. It cannot supply enought current to drive thee bass out of the primus 362. The sub helps cutting that high current draw problem.

I kind of doubt that cause I've tried my 362's with another vintage stereo receiver I have with a more robust Power Supply besides my so-so Pioneer 516's amp and I experience the same issue. Its not a super big deal cause I didnt intend to have slamming dynamic deep bass coming out of these at unbearable volumes anyway, that would be the job for my subwoofer :D

If I set my P362's to Large on my reciever they push enough bass for Mid range speakers... Don't expect deep bass from these things. There are Entry/Mid Level speakers, if you want something that is gonna be boomy and sound good, go with Klipsch or something. Right now I have my sub off and they sound great. Hense, I live in an apartment so thats probably a good thing :-P.

The black grills are available from Harman. I needed a silver gril for my PS210 Sub, and they sent it to me no charge.

So all you did was contact Harmon Audio and they sent you a grille at no charge? Was there a particular link you used or just contact them via email?

So all you did was contact Harmon Audio and they sent you a grille at no charge? Was there a particular link you used or just contact them via email?

Yes, I called their Customer Service number, 516-255-4545, and they sent me the grill, no charge.

If I set my P362's to Large on my reciever they push enough bass for Mid range speakers... Don't expect deep bass from these things. There are Entry/Mid Level speakers, if you want something that is gonna be boomy and sound good, go with Klipsch or something. Right now I have my sub off and they sound great. Hense, I live in an apartment so thats probably a good thing :-P.

I live in an apartment to, and the only time the P362s really need my PS210 sub, is for the occasional action flick. I find the bass to be very well integrated and uncolored, and overall find the P362 to competitive with other high-mid level speakers; tonally, they're beautifully balanced (all that matching M.M.D.).

Yes, I called their Customer Service number, 516-255-4545, and they sent me the grill, no charge.

Damn, I just called and they are willing to swap the grilles, however the need a receipt and we lost all our important receipts in a small fire. I also tried calling the place I purchased them and they will not give me a receipt. Nice, I guess I am SOL. It's not really that big of a deal, just would have been nice to have a matching set of grilles.

Anyone hear handy?

I use Primus bookshelves for surrounds and have always wall mounted them using wall anchors.

But now I want to mount them in the corners instead. How would I do that? I can't really put anchors at angle. Do I build a corner shelf?

current set up

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/vinnyanddaisy/oldsetup.jpg


proposed set up

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/vinnyanddaisy/newsetup.jpg

Hi, I was wondering if anyone wanted to sell their Infinity Primus 360's (not the p362). I have a set of the original Primus line and I'd like the 360's to match if I can. If anyone knows where I can get a pair of these speakers used or new, can you give me any pointers? I've tried ebay and craigslist already without luck. There are only 2 online vendors I can find that sells these but the cost is over $500 for two speakers which is obviously a bit much for these speakers. Please let me know. PM me or email me at pcdo78@gmail.com. I can do local pick up in either the LA area or Las Vegas area. Thanks.

Hi, I was wondering if anyone wanted to sell their Infinity Primus 360's (not the p362). I have a set of the original Primus line and I'd like the 360's to match if I can. If anyone knows where I can get a pair of these speakers used or new, can you give me any pointers? I've tried ebay and craigslist already without luck. There are only 2 online vendors I can find that sells these but the cost is over $500 for two speakers which is obviously a bit much for these speakers. Please let me know. PM me or email me at pcdo78@gmail.com. I can do local pick up in either the LA area or Las Vegas area. Thanks.

I have the orignal Primus line setup for surrounds and surround backs and I use the P362 and the Primus PC350 for a center and they sound fantastic. Is there a reason you don't want the newer Primus?

:cool:

I have the orignal Primus line setup for surrounds and surround backs and I use the P362 and the Primus PC350 for a center and they sound fantastic. Is there a reason you don't want the newer Primus?

:cool:

Mainly for aesthetic reasons, just to match I guess. I have 250's x2, 150's x2, and C25 right now. I was going place the 360's as the main fronts and move the 250's into rear surrounds to make a 7.1 system. The 250's serve fine as the fronts, so I can always just add something smaller as the surrounds such as another pair of 150's, but I thought getting 360's would be a better and "beefier" upgrade. So honestly I don't have any "good" reason for not taking the p362, but something obsessive compulsive about me wants them to match. I understand in sound they'll match, just more so in looks. Would that system be overkill? Yeah, maybe, but damn it would look and sound cool.

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2008/108/s108P362BG-f-1.jpegMainly for aesthetic reasons, just to match they'll match, just more so in looks.

They match perfectly. Just make sure when you order that you order (BLACK and not Silver). Mine have a small silver square at the bottom but the covers are all black. Again, this was my concern and they match perfectly and sound wonderful. Fry's, as you may know, has been selling the P362s for $99 a piece. Incredible price for a $300 speaker.

Good luck...

:cool:

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2008/108/s108P362BG-f-1.jpeg

They match perfectly. Just make sure when you order that you order (BLACK and not Silver). Mine have a small silver square at the bottom but the covers are all black. Again, this was my concern and they match perfectly and sound wonderful. Fry's, as you may know, has been selling the P362s for $99 a piece. Incredible price for a $300 speaker.

Good luck...

:cool:

Yeah, it's that silver at the bottom that was bugging me. I know, that's really OCD. I thought I'd give it a try, but I guess I'll just get the P362 from Fry's. How often are they on sale? I was just there yesterday and they were $300 each still.

Also, I saw in craigslist someone in my area selling Infinity Interlude IL50's. I'm not sure if these would even match sound-wise with the Primus series. Anyone with experience mixing these two models?

Also to union1411, maybe you could use these mounts at monoprice:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082804&p_id=3011&seq=1&format=2

I've never mounted speakers myself so I don't know if they'll work. Just a suggestion. According to THX you're supposed to angle the fronts in for better sound.

http://www.thx.com/home/setup/speakers/front.html

I think the P362 were on sale a few months back @ Fry's for $99, but I think it was only "in-store", but I could be wrong.

Your best bet is to haunt Harman's eBay store http://stores.ebay.com/Harman-Audio_Infinity_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ10225969QQftidZ2QQtZkm and try to scoop up a pair for about $100, I got mine for about $80 each + s/h.

You can also try The Audio Video Source http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/ for good deals on Infinity prouducts.

I think the P362 were on sale a few months back @ Fry's for $99, but I think it was only "in-store", but I could be wrong.

Your best bet is to haunt Harman's eBay store http://stores.ebay.com/Harman-Audio_Infinity_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ10225969QQftidZ2QQtZkm and try to scoop up a pair for about $100, I got mine for about $80 each + s/h.

You can also try The Audio Video Source http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/ for good deals on Infinity prouducts.

Audio Video Source is high compared to refurbs from Harman's E-bay store, but they definitely beat the regular (non-sale) price at Fry's.

To you guys above, if the silver at the bottom bothers you that much, take the grills off.

For wall-mounts, consider Monoprice. They sell generic speaker brackets. I've also seen some good deals on Omnimount stuff on E-bay as well.

Audio Video Source is high compared to refurbs from Harman's E-bay store, but they definitely beat the regular (non-sale) price at Fry's.

To you guys above, if the silver at the bottom bothers you that much, take the grills off.

For wall-mounts, consider Monoprice. They sell generic speaker brackets. I've also seen some good deals on Omnimount stuff on E-bay as well.

Well the grills are black, which I'm fine with, but the silver part I didn't think I could remove. For the aesthetics of other people (not necessarily me) in the household the non-grill look would probably be too masculine.

Also, I saw in craigslist someone in my area selling Infinity Interlude IL50's. I'm not sure if these would even match sound-wise with the Primus series. Anyone with experience mixing these two models?


The IL50s were a much more expensive speaker than the best Primus. They have built in powered subs. And they use CMMD drivers instead of the MMD drivers in the Primus line. Chances are the IL50 is a better speaker. They probably won't be a perfect match, but you'll probably love 'em anyway (I have IL60s).

The IL50s were a much more expensive speaker than the best Primus. They have built in powered subs. And they use CMMD drivers instead of the MMD drivers in the Primus line. Chances are the IL50 is a better speaker. They probably won't be a perfect match, but you'll probably love 'em anyway (I have IL60s).

I would imagine the IL50's are better speakers. I just figure with actual subwoofers I'd end up setting the crossover at probably 80hz, thus making the lower extension and bult in sub of those nice speakers useless. In that case I might as well stick with the 360/p362 since they'll be cheaper since they don't extend as low. I'm thinking maybe since that's the case I might only just need an extra set of 250's if I don't really need bass extension on them given I'm using a subwoofer. I guess no one in this thread, at least within the Las Vegas/LA area, has 360's they don't want anymore. :( That's okay. I wouldn't want to get rid of mine either if I had them. But again, PM me if you do have a set. Thanks.

I have been waiting and waiting, but seems like the So.Cal areas havent gotten the $99 in awhile.

I have been waiting and waiting, but seems like the So.Cal areas havent gotten the $99 in awhile.

You already have 3 sets (as mentioned in your sig). You want more?! Now that's impressive ;). You're either single or have a very understanding wife.

I have been waiting and waiting, but seems like the So.Cal areas havent gotten the $99 in awhile.

I just got the 362 at Fry's for $99 each two weeks ago.

I just got the 362 at Fry's for $99 each two weeks ago.

.....Noooo!!!!!

Are you guys talking about Fry's Electronics? If so the one up here in Washington doesn't sell the Primus's....on Video Only...I was thinking of getting a few more for my rears...dang...this sucks..

I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that the P360's and 362's performance is anywhere near entry level. In personal conversations at Harman with several of the people who were responsible for the design and testing of the Primus line, I was told that the P360/362 in particular are standouts in every respect. I was able to view the MLL measurements for the P360, and they indeed perform very well compared to speakers many multiples of their pricepoint. In the case of the 360/362, what you've got is a case of one of the world's finest speaker design houses putting one of their best engineers on a project and giving him extra time to focus on a particular model. The result was that the entry-level parts list comprising the 360/362 performs as well as it possibly could. Many other speakers can claim more expensive components, but they don't get the benefit of genius speaker designer + the planet's best design/test facility + extra time to refine the design. When you see the objective evidence of how good this speaker is, you wonder what the heck is wrong with their marketing. They've not told the story of how exceptionally good the 360/362 is. And we, as audio hobbyists who can't get such inside information, have to rely on other ways of determining quality such as: price, marketing info, parts, aesthetics, reviews, etc. Unfortunately, the marketing folks over at Harman haven't seen fit to release the detailed charts on how well their speakers perform, so we have to rely on the indicators I mentioned to get some sort of idea of how well individual speakers perform. To see the chart I'm talking about, you can go to jblpro.com and look at the charts on their monitors, such as the 6328p. You can read up on the theory behind these measurements by checking out the white papers on infinity's site. The story is really amazing, and they show you how smart we all are for being Primus owners. I have 360's, 160's, 150's and 140's. I also own Intermezzo 2.6p's and the aforementioned JBL 6328p's. It's amazing how little tradeoff there is between the 360's, which I got for $300 on ebay, and the 6328p, which has an incredibly flat frequency response and a list price of $2,600 a pair. Sure the 6328p's are better in almost every respect, but only marginally so. Unless, of course, you're always listening at highest SPL's a human can stand. But if you're listening at normal volume levels, the 360's are in no way to be considered entry level. For example, the P360 is preferable to even Harman's own Beta series as well as the Interlude series (unless of course you're just interested in the superior bass response of the IL's). Hopefully this helps any of you who had begun to doubt the 360's unusually good performance. It's a truly exceptional speaker. If you own a pair, you can rest assured that you'd have to spend a lot of money and do a lot of research to find anything better. It may be hard to believe that such a pedestrian looking product can perform so well, but fortunately for us, it does. Again, consider that the P360, which has thinner cabinets and "MMD" versus "CMMD" performs better overall than the Beta speakers and the Interlude speakers. I'm not talking about subjective reviews here, I'm talking about objective measurements -- in one of the most sophisticated labs on the planet. I'm sure they didn't plan it this way and they may not have been very happy about this, but it's just how it worked out. If I were in their shoes I would put a wood veneer on the P360's and sell them for $1500.

First you say"Unfortunately, the marketing folks over at Harman haven't seen fit to release the detailed charts on how well their speakers perform"

And then you say"
Again, consider that the P360, which has thinner cabinets and "MMD" versus "CMMD" performs better overall than the Beta speakers and the Interlude speakers. I'm not talking about subjective reviews here, I'm talking about objective measurements -- in one of the most sophisticated labs on the planet. I'm sure they didn't plan it this way and they may not have been very happy about this, but it's just how it worked out."

I'm not argueing with you but these 2 statements seem to contradict themselves. There's more to speaker design than just drivers and cabinets. The Preludes may very well measure better...they are a newer design than the discontinued Betas but without actual objective measurements of them all as they are produced it's a bit of a stretch to project the actual performance. We also know that lab measurements do not tell the whole story about how a speaker will actual sound in the real world.

The Preludes may very well measure better...they are a newer design than the discontinued Betas but without actual objective measurements of them all as they are produced it's a bit of a stretch to project the actual performance. We also know that lab measurements do not tell the whole story about how a speaker will actual sound in the real world.

I didn't see anything in the post about Preludes at all. He mentioned Interludes (which comprise my front three - IL60s and IL36c). And I would also imagine that he was speaking about actual listening comparisons, not just spec sheets.:)

First you say"Unfortunately, the marketing folks over at Harman haven't seen fit to release the detailed charts on how well their speakers perform"

And then you say"
Again, consider that the P360, which has thinner cabinets and "MMD" versus "CMMD" performs better overall than the Beta speakers and the Interlude speakers. I'm not talking about subjective reviews here, I'm talking about objective measurements -- in one of the most sophisticated labs on the planet. I'm sure they didn't plan it this way and they may not have been very happy about this, but it's just how it worked out."

I'm not arguing with you but these 2 statements seem to contradict themselves. There's more to speaker design than just drivers and cabinets. The Preludes may very well measure better...they are a newer design than the discontinued Betas but without actual objective measurements of them all as they are produced it's a bit of a stretch to project the actual performance. We also know that lab measurements do not tell the whole story about how a speaker will actual sound in the real world.


Let me try to explain a little more, as I can see where my statements may have not been very clear. My point was that even though these speakers have a cheaper parts list than many other (including harman's own Beta's for example) they perform better -- both in objective measurements and in listener preference testing. Remember that Harman is out on the forefront of being able to meaningfully correlate objective measurements with listener preference because of the large body of work performed there by Toole, Olive, et al. There is more real, objective, ruthless science being performed at Harman on our behalf than perhaps anywhere else in the world. Other speaker manufacturers (particularly the Canadians who use the NRC facilities) practice similar methods, but Harman has carried it further than anybody else. If you have not read the white papers on Infinity's site, then you owe it to yourself to do so. Just Google "infinity white papers".

These people have developed the industry's most rigorous development and testing standards. The important thing to note is that they have the most sophisticated way of measuring whether anybody can hear the results of their engineering efforts. They don't rely on the ears of a particular 'guru'. They have teams of highly qualified people directed by one of the foremost acoustic authorities on planet earth (ok, Toole's retired now, and the team thoroughly practices the objective methodology). Every speaker they make gets put through the torture test of double-blind testing by trained listeners. If you have not read about this process you really should. It will make you question the whole model of using one designer who tests speakers "by ear." Harman's methodology is much more rigorous, much more objective, and much more scientific. They are so efficient at this methodology that their speakers are vastly more refined than the average "audiophile" speaker made by small boutique companies. When it comes to cabinet resonances, for instance, Harman has done a great deal of research on what type of resonances are more detrimental to the final product, and so they are able to prioritize which resonances they go after. So when you judge the weight of a primus speaker versus a heavier speaker from another manufacturer, keep in mind that Harman knows exactly what resonances this speaker makes and has minimized the worst ones and worked their way down the list. I'm not saying that the Primus is resonance free (i.e., perfect), but I am saying that most speaker manufacturers -- particularly the boutique ones -- can't afford this type of analytical equipment and are not able to perform the original research to determine which type of resonances are the worst and how they are best tamed. Harman has more Ph D's running around than most, doing original research, publishing papers in the AES, reviewing each other's work. It's an amazing environment. That's why, when I got a little inside info that the primus series was well though-of inside Harman, and that the P360/362's in particular caused quite a stir, I wanted to pass that along. Comments like that say the 360's aren't good for serious two-channel listening just aren't true. It's not my ears I'm relying on, it's the objective reports from inside Harman that these speakers trounced (now discontinued) Harman products as well as vastly more expensive speakers from other competitive manufacturers. It's just that the Primus project went extremely well, and that the engineering that went into them - cabinets, drivers, crossovers...everything came together in a wonderful way and exceeded expectations. Who knows? Maybe a couple years from now when they put out a replacement line it won't be quite as good. Maybe they will be better. I have no idea. I just wanted to post on this topic because I read a couple comments in the thread that made it seem as if the primus are entry level. From a marketing standpoint they are, but from a measurement and listener preference perspective, they are extremely good. So good, in fact, that people who trade them away looking for something a little better will probably trade down. In my case, I had owned some $1500 Monitor Audio RS8's, and when I heard the P360's, I immediately put the RS8's up for sale. I ended up returning the P360's because I thought, "These are so good at $300 per pair, I wonder what Infinity can give me if I spend a little more money." Crutchfield offers free return shipping so I sent the Primus's back. I got some Beta 40's and some IL 40's (craigslist) and immediately regretted it. Both were good speakers but did not have the all-around performance of the P360's. So I got rid of the above and tracked down some P360's again. This is why I say you take a risk when you think you can do a little better than the P360's by spending a few hundred more dollars. It may be possible, but it's not likely. I had previously owned Paradigm Reference Studio 60's, several models from Castle, Triangle, B&W, Quad 12L actives, and some others. So far the only thing I prefer to the primus line is the Intermezzo 2.6p. A little better imaging and transparency. But just a little. The JBL 6328p is pretty amazing in regards to transparency and power (it is a biamplified studio monitor with super-flat frequency response) but again it is only marginally better at normal room volumes. I've discovered that diminishing returns kicks in really hard and fast after you go past the Primus 360. They really are a very serious speaker.

Hope that helps a little bit. I also hope to not come across as argumentative, but to say, hey, we really have found a gem here, and it's not just all in our heads. Even at full retail these speakers are a bargain.

One more interesting tidbit: several of the guys I talked to at Harman have surround setups existing of P150's for all channels -- including center. These are people who know good performance and they could presumably get more expensive speakers at some sort of discount...and they have P150 surround setups...and listen to music thru them!!! Very eye-opening.

Went back to Frys again today. P362 still $299 each. The waiting continues...

Just picked up a P362 for $66 (remanufactured from Infinity) from Ebay moments ago.........now to wait for another one to show up :D. I had a chance to listen to monitor 50s and the P362 and the P362 are a lot better with more noticable bass. BTW, Polk monitor 50's are on sale this weekend at Frys for $99 piece.

Frag

Just picked up a P362 for $66 (remanufactured from Infinity) from Ebay moments ago.........now to wait for another one to show up :D. I had a chance to listen to monitor 50s and the P362 and the P362 are a lot better with more noticable bass. BTW, Polk monitor 50's are on sale this weekend at Frys for $99 piece.

Frag

LOL! I was looking at that auction too. I decided not to bid though. I actually still really want to get a set of 360's. I guess I'm just being anal. They actually had another p362 ending like 1-2 hours after that one you bought. You should have been on that cause I think it was going fairly cheap too.

LOL! I was looking at that auction too. I decided not to bid though. I actually still really want to get a set of 360's. I guess I'm just being anal. They actually had another p362 ending like 1-2 hours after that one you bought. You should have been on that cause I think it was going fairly cheap too.

LOL...hopefully I didn't cut another fellow AVS'er:)..

What's the difference between the 360/362?

Thanks
Frag

LOL...hopefully I didn't cut another fellow AVS'er:)..

What's the difference between the 360/362?

Thanks
Frag

Purely cosmetic.

Picked up the other pair yesterady for $118. Anyway, received the first refurb from Infinity last week and man, they are almost brand new. No cosmetic damages either. Speaker had plastic wrapping all around and the 5 yr warranty card.

Disconnected my current Polk R50 and hooked up the P362 with 16 gauge cable....played Black Hawn Down BR and the sound off the P362 is definitely louder with slightly more bass compared to my other R50.

Very happy with the performance (of course there are better speakers out there but at under $250/pair, the P362's are a no-brainer).

The R50's will become my rears so towers all way around now for me!

But it took me 3 EBay tries before I scored on these refurbs from Inifinity. Appears there's still a lot of demand (and if u get luckly like I did on my first one....$66 :-)).

PS: Weird thing is the P362's blend in extremely well (audio wise) with my Polk Csi3 center. I'm holding off the center upgrade based on this alone.

Sort of ignorant question but this is the first time I've had "real" speakers so to speak.

How do I remove the black/red covers on the binding posts (on where to insert banana plugs) of the Primus line?

Sort of ignorant question but this is the first time I've had "real" speakers so to speak.

How do I remove the black/red covers on the binding posts (on where to insert banana plugs) of the Primus line?

From my quick look at my Primus months ago (currently stored in boxes). I think you just twist them open and just plug the banana plug into the hole. That was the reason I felt that the spade would be a better fit than banana plugs, but again I could be wrong cuz I haven't look at these speakers for awhile.

From my quick look at my Primus months ago (currently stored in boxes). I think you just twist them open and just plug the banana plug into the hole. That was the reason I felt that the spade would be a better fit than banana plugs, but again I could be wrong cuz I haven't look at these speakers for awhile.

The red/black covers where the banana plugs go seem to be some sort of hard plastic.

I tried twisting the binding posts open and tried to stick something in the area where the banana plugs go but as I said, they are made of some sort of hard plastic.

The red/black covers where the banana plugs go seem to be some sort of hard plastic.

I tried twisting the binding posts open and tried to stick something in the area where the banana plugs go but as I said, they are made of some sort of hard plastic.

Here is how mine looks:

http://picasaweb.google.com/demha.beznahej/XBR4ScreenShots#5257813165014245874

The red/black covers where the banana plugs go seem to be some sort of hard plastic.

I tried twisting the binding posts open and tried to stick something in the area where the banana plugs go but as I said, they are made of some sort of hard plastic.


I just used my pocket knife to pop them off.

Here is a purely subjective, sighted comparison I did involving the Primus 362 I think you guys might enjoy.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48411

I just used my pocket knife to pop them off.

Thanks.

Can you put still them back after popping them off? I'm still deciding whether to go with bananas or spades.

Yeah, you can jam them back in there if you want to.

Thanks.

Can you put still them back after popping them off? I'm still deciding whether to go with bananas or spades.

I use locking banana connectors with great success.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/importkrawler/home%20theater/DSC_1098.jpg

Here is how mine looks:

Try to pop out the red/black plastic (try a miniature flat screw driver) and insert the banana plugs there instead. Your speaker wires look a bit strained.

And guess what, while I was waiting for an answer in this thread, I decided to e-mail Infinity Customer Support and they replied with this. :p :D



Hello,

Thank you for the inquiry. The binding posts used on the Primus series cannot accommodate a banana plug. We apologize for this inconvenience.

Best Regards,

Sean Hanney
Harman Technical Support
HCGCustomerSupport4@harman.com

I use locking banana connectors with great success.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I might go with spades or banana plugs with rubber/plastic bodies to minimize the risk of shorting.

Your speaker wires look a bit strained. I pulled them up for the pic........

can a P362 be use as a center? and how?

can a P362 be use as a center? and how?

Yes, just connect it to the center speaker terminal on the back of your receiver.

can a P362 be use as a center? and how?

Yes it can;)

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/502/editedhtsetup.jpg

Look for a local Fry's and then wait for their 99$ sale. Even though the ad states price is per pair most Fry's stores I know will sell you this speaker individually.

The Infinity Primus 362 sales at frys.com is back. $99/each.

http://shop4.frys.com/product/5223687?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Yes it can;)

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/502/editedhtsetup.jpg

Look for a local Fry's and then wait for their 99$ sale. Even though the ad states price is per pair most Fry's stores I know will sell you this speaker individually.

but does is sound better than the PC350?

but does is sound better than the PC350?

Yes, because it has bigger drivers for both the midrange and the woofers. Plus you'll have a seamlessly identical front soundstage.

How would these compare to say the Energy C-300? I can get those for pretty much the same price as the P362's. Thanks

I just picked up two from frys' website, though they look to be sold out now. I can't wait to get them, though I hope they come at the same time.

:mad:

I tried to order two 362s from Fry's last night and I kept getting a website error. Their website is complete trash through and through. Now, they're sold out... It'd be so much easier to get this $99/speaker deal if I could actually go to a B&M store, but alas, I live on the east coast and we don't have any Fry's here. </rant>

I also would like to get a pair or 2 but now it says sold out!! I live in OK so we dont have a fry's here. Has anyone talked to them about if they'll be getting more or what??

Also, how do these compare to the BIC Acoustech line??

but does is sound better than the PC350?

I tried the PC350 also and thought it was one of the best Center channels I had heard.

Till I tried the P362 and the difference was immediate on how well the soundstage blended into the Front and Left speakers instead of 'sticking out'.

For the 99$ price of the P362, you cannot beat this speaker, especially as a Center Channel.

I live on the east coast and we don't have any Fry's here. </rant>

How far is Georgia from you?

http://shop4.frys.com/isp/duluth.html

I also would like to get a pair or 2 but now it says sold out!! I live in OK so we dont have a fry's here. Has anyone talked to them about if they'll be getting more or what??

Also, how do these compare to the BIC Acoustech line??

Sound is subjective so it depends on who you talk too. There was a simple review from Matt34 above us on his little shoot out between Acoustech, AV123 X speakers, and the Infinity Primus. Click on his link to read his review. Based on his opinion, Infinity wins by a decent margine.


http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48411

L4st,

I feel your pain. Must of suck just to get error page as the stocks continue to dwindle. There must of been a lot of orders that may have somehow messed up the site. Keep checking to see if there will be new orders available.

I also would like to get a pair or 2 but now it says sold out!! I live in OK so we dont have a fry's here. Has anyone talked to them about if they'll be getting more or what??

Also, how do these compare to the BIC Acoustech line??

Here's one that was 1 or 2 pages back;

Here is a purely subjective, sighted comparison I did involving the Primus 362 I think you guys might enjoy.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48411

As for stock, Online it seems like it takes them a month or 2 to get them back in stock, then another month or 2 to go on sale. However with Christmas coming up it's anyone's guess. This could have been the last one of the year or maybe they'll do one more around black friday. In store is a little different as I've heard certain stores will do the sale more often, however seeing as michigan doesn't have a fry's...

can a P362 be use as a center? and how?

If you have p362's as left and rights then the 362 would be a great center channel. Just put it in between the others. Unfortunately, unless your tv is up pretty high, the speaker might get in the way of the screen.

Here is a link to a Tom Nousaine article about using a non-center channel speaker for a center channel speaker.

http://www.nousaine.com/cen%20chan%201.htm

Sound is subjective

I hear what you're saying, but I have a different way of putting it: people's preferences in speakers is subjective, but that's because they do sighted comparisons. When done double-blind, people's preferences are remarkably similar. So, yeah, some people like over-emphasize their bass (think overactive subwoofer) or sizzly high-end (turn up the treble). But when presented the options in a controlled, research situation where they are free to choose, Toole and Olive's research shows the following:

"viewed in the broad perspective, good sound quality is not a matter of individual taste. When dealing with loudspeakers
that are similarly good, there will be small biases in the results attributable to the music itself (as it is able to reveal the problems) and listeners (as they reveal their individual tolerances to the problems they hear in the musical selections)."

Here's a great summary of their work:

http://www.tmworld.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA475937

ousooner2 had asked " Also, how do these compare to the BIC Acoustech line??"

It's possible that BIC Acoustech line may be the biggest bargain in audio history. Possible, but highly unlikely. When you read the article from TMM world, you learn that the team that puts together Infinity (or any Harman) speakers has some of the finest speaker building resources on planet earth and has the most innovative subjective testing out there. It's then logical to wonder if the BIC speaker has even a small fraction of the sophistication, refinement and passion (read the white papers on Infinity's site (http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/technology/technology_whitepapers.aspx?Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA) to pick up on Floyd Toole's love for good sound) that is put into every audio product that comes out of that place. I find it amazing to think that most speakers are tested in pseudo-anechoic conditions and with sighted listening tests, while Harman products are tested in full-sized 4 pi anechoic environments then subjected to double-blind, head-to-head tests against leading competitors. There's a big difference between developing speakers with one speaker guru and a listening room versus Harman's cadre of music-loving Ph D's and batteries of DBT's in their multi-million dollar multi channel listening lab.

If the Primus 362's were veneered with decent looking wood (think Quad or Proac) they could sell them for $1500. The P360's embarrassed my Monitor Audio RS8's, which cost $1500.

Hopefully this encourages you to shop hard for some Primus's, ousooner! It will be worth the wait.

Yes it can;)

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/502/editedhtsetup.jpg



wow, that is a cool setup!!!

I hear what you're saying, but I have a different way of putting it: people's preferences in speakers is subjective, but that's because they do sighted comparisons. When done double-blind, people's preferences are remarkably similar. So, yeah, some people like over-emphasize their bass (think overactive subwoofer) or sizzly high-end (turn up the treble). But when presented the options in a controlled, research situation where they are free to choose, Toole and Olive's research shows the following:

"viewed in the broad perspective, good sound quality is not a matter of individual taste. When dealing with loudspeakers
that are similarly good, there will be small biases in the results attributable to the music itself (as it is able to reveal the problems) and listeners (as they reveal their individual tolerances to the problems they hear in the musical selections)."

Here's a great summary of their work:

http://www.tmworld.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA475937

ousooner2 had asked " Also, how do these compare to the BIC Acoustech line??"

It's possible that BIC Acoustech line may be the biggest bargain in audio history. Possible, but highly unlikely. When you read the article from TMM world, you learn that the team that puts together Infinity (or any Harman) speakers has some of the finest speaker building resources on planet earth and has the most innovative subjective testing out there. It's then logical to wonder if the BIC speaker has even a small fraction of the sophistication, refinement and passion (read the white papers on Infinity's site (http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/technology/technology_whitepapers.aspx?Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA) to pick up on Floyd Toole's love for good sound) that is put into every audio product that comes out of that place. I find it amazing to think that most speakers are tested in pseudo-anechoic conditions and with sighted listening tests, while Harman products are tested in full-sized 4 pi anechoic environments then subjected to double-blind, head-to-head tests against leading competitors. There's a big difference between developing speakers with one speaker guru and a listening room versus Harman's cadre of music-loving Ph D's and batteries of DBT's in their multi-million dollar multi channel listening lab.

If the Primus 362's were veneered with decent looking wood (think Quad or Proac) they could sell them for $1500. The P360's embarrassed my Monitor Audio RS8's, which cost $1500.

Hopefully this encourages you to shop hard for some Primus's, ousooner! It will be worth the wait.

I think I am more like what you said. I am not one of those very picky listener. I won't sit there and break down every single sound that comes out of the speaker. Infinity Primus 362 are excellent for the price of $99. I own 4 of them:D

I hear what you're saying, but I have a different way of putting it: people's preferences in speakers is subjective, but that's because they do sighted comparisons. When done double-blind, people's preferences are remarkably similar. So, yeah, some people like over-emphasize their bass (think overactive subwoofer) or sizzly high-end (turn up the treble). But when presented the options in a controlled, research situation where they are free to choose, Toole and Olive's research shows the following:

"viewed in the broad perspective, good sound quality is not a matter of individual taste. When dealing with loudspeakers
that are similarly good, there will be small biases in the results attributable to the music itself (as it is able to reveal the problems) and listeners (as they reveal their individual tolerances to the problems they hear in the musical selections)."

Here's a great summary of their work:

http://www.tmworld.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA475937

ousooner2 had asked " Also, how do these compare to the BIC Acoustech line??"

It's possible that BIC Acoustech line may be the biggest bargain in audio history. Possible, but highly unlikely. When you read the article from TMM world, you learn that the team that puts together Infinity (or any Harman) speakers has some of the finest speaker building resources on planet earth and has the most innovative subjective testing out there. It's then logical to wonder if the BIC speaker has even a small fraction of the sophistication, refinement and passion (read the white papers on Infinity's site (http://www.infinitysystems.com/home/technology/technology_whitepapers.aspx?Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA) to pick up on Floyd Toole's love for good sound) that is put into every audio product that comes out of that place. I find it amazing to think that most speakers are tested in pseudo-anechoic conditions and with sighted listening tests, while Harman products are tested in full-sized 4 pi anechoic environments then subjected to double-blind, head-to-head tests against leading competitors. There's a big difference between developing speakers with one speaker guru and a listening room versus Harman's cadre of music-loving Ph D's and batteries of DBT's in their multi-million dollar multi channel listening lab.

If the Primus 362's were veneered with decent looking wood (think Quad or Proac) they could sell them for $1500. The P360's embarrassed my Monitor Audio RS8's, which cost $1500.

Hopefully this encourages you to shop hard for some Primus's, ousooner! It will be worth the wait.

My modified Primus' I'm having built will be vennered in Teak.

http://www.tapeease.com/images/Veneer%20Pics/TeakFlatCt.jpg

Here is a diagram of the modifications being completed to them.

http://www.linaeum.com/productinfo/other/infinity_primus362_ultra/modification_diagram.gif

My modified Primus' I'm having built will be vennered in Teak.

http://www.tapeease.com/images/Veneer%20Pics/TeakFlatCt.jpg

Here is a diagram of the modifications being completed to them.

http://www.linaeum.com/productinfo/other/infinity_primus362_ultra/modification_diagram.gif

How much is that modification going to cost per speaker? If you don't mind me asking?

How much is that modification going to cost per speaker? If you don't mind me asking?

Including the price of the JL 8W7 and the new ribbon tweeter around $1800 for both.

:mad:

I tried to order two 362s from Fry's last night and I kept getting a website error. Their website is complete trash through and through. Now, they're sold out... It'd be so much easier to get this $99/speaker deal if I could actually go to a B&M store, but alas, I live on the east coast and we don't have any Fry's here. </rant>


I found this site where you can order the 362's at a rather low price. Please note that I have never ordered from this site so do not offer any personal endorsement whatsoever.

http://www.electronics-expo.com/index.php?page=item&ci_src=5784816&id=INFPRIMUS362

wow, that is a cool setup!!!
Thanks, markwriter!!

My modified Primus' I'm having built will be vennered in Teak.



Good grief, Matt. You're using Wmax's recommendations on steroids. With that woofer at the bottom, you're turning these puppies into full range speakers and then some. :eek:

$1800 is AV123 Rocket, Def Tech, miniStrata, Cascade, RtiA9, B&W, KEF, (not Tannoy or Thiele), RBH, Axiom M80, etc. money.

Good grief, Matt. You're using Wmax's recommendations on steroids. With that woofer at the bottom, you're turning these puppies into full range speakers and then some. :eek:

$1800 is AV123 Rocket, Def Tech, miniStrata, Cascade, RtiA9, B&W, KEF, (not Tannoy or Thiele), RBH, Axiom M80, etc. money.

Who you think is building them?;)

Objectively they should compare to Revel Studio 2.

How are you going to handle the veneering? Are you adhering it directly to the existing vinyl?

How are you going to handle the veneering? Are you adhering it directly to the existing vinyl?


The old vinyl will be removed and the new veneer will be replacing it as I understand it.

Here is a diagram of the modifications being completed to them.



That looks very impressive! And expensive:)

Would you suggest filling the cabinet base with some lead shot to minimize some of the resonances as a cheaper alternative?

The old vinyl will be removed and the new veneer will be replacing it as I understand it.

OK, that sounds very interesting. How would one get rid of the vinyl veneer? Take a heat gun to it or something? This is a very interesting idea.

If you are going to do that much modding why not build statements or mini-statements?

Or is it just a matter of: "because I can"? Because I understand that as well. Sometimes the journey is more important than the destination.

Who's redoing your crossover for you?

I know this is a bit in left field but I was wondering if any other P362 owner have notice a change in sound quality going from a lower end reciever to a mid to high end reciever. I used to have a Pioneer VSX-816 hooked up to these speakers and they sounded pretty bad...no mid bass and quiet dull..but one I got my Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH They sounded 100% better. I get great mid-low bass without my sub on. My girlfriend can actually tolerate the bass with these and she has grown quiet fond of them. Clarity inproved dramatically....clearer and crisper...I just can't explain it, you would have to hear the difference. So what are your experiences?

@chrishoyt

I switched from my Yamaha 5.1 receiver and an old Pioneer Stereo Receiver, the P362s sounded better with the Pioneer, probably because of more power. The Yamaha only gives out 75wpc while the Pioneer gives 100wpc. Mid-bass was more pronounced on my Pioneer Receiver. It sounds quite dull in stereo with the Yamaha but the subwoofer takes care of the missing parts. :)

OK, that sounds very interesting. How would one get rid of the vinyl veneer? Take a heat gun to it or something? This is a very interesting idea.

I'm not really sure of the procedure but I can ask.

If you are going to do that much modding why not build statements or mini-statements?

Or is it just a matter of: "because I can"? Because I understand that as well. Sometimes the journey is more important than the destination.

Who's redoing your crossover for you?

I'm having these built for me and it was cheaper than building a completely custom loudspeaker from the ground up.

It will be a fully active system using two Berhinger DCX 2496 but will also include an external passive crossover. I'll be using a Emotiva LPA-1 and Behringer EP2500 (for the JL 8W7) to power them.

Some quick questions... Is it a good or bad idea to use three PC350 centers for front L & R? Is there anything negative about this center channel? I can't find reviews anywhere but maybe interested in picking up 3.

Some quick questions... Is it a good or bad idea to use three PC350 centers for front L & R? Is there anything negative about this center channel? I can't find reviews anywhere but maybe interested in picking up 3.


It would be better from a fidelity standpoint (http://www.nousaine.com/cen%20chan%201.htm)to use three P152's or 162's. That's what several of the Harman engineers do.

OK, that sounds very interesting. How would one get rid of the vinyl veneer? Take a heat gun to it or something? This is a very interesting idea.

I asked the builder and he said he just takes a heat gun to the exisiting venner and it comes right up.

I asked the builder and he said he just takes a heat gun to the exisiting venner and it comes right up.

That's really cool! I'd love to put a nice veneer on my 360's. Thanks for getting back to me.

That's really cool! I'd love to put a nice veneer on my 360's. Thanks for getting back to me.

I'll have a bunch of picture's posted when they are completed so you can see how it turns out. Hell, I see your in Arizona too so you may be able to see them in person.

@chrishoyt

I switched from my Yamaha 5.1 receiver and an old Pioneer Stereo Receiver, the P362s sounded better with the Pioneer, probably because of more power. The Yamaha only gives out 75wpc while the Pioneer gives 100wpc. Mid-bass was more pronounced on my Pioneer Receiver. It sounds quite dull in stereo with the Yamaha but the subwoofer takes care of the missing parts. :)

The whole power thing is just a gimic. Most receivers only really produce 60-70 watts at normal load...but usually peak at just over 100watts. Manf like to inflate the wattage to sell you the product. HK and Denon tend to keep it real and give you the almost correct watt rating. Maybe its the quality of the amplifer that helps...Not really sure...Its only a guess. The funny thing is I am using the 01 straight out of the box...havn't even calibrated it yet...and still sound great....only my "know it all" Neighbor can tell that it isn't calibrated...says it sounds flat...which it could be but who cares.

Some quick questions... Is it a good or bad idea to use three PC350 centers for front L & R? Is there anything negative about this center channel? I can't find reviews anywhere but maybe interested in picking up 3.

No way would I use a center for mains. The reverse works fine, but the off axis listening of the dedicated center is bad enough.

I wonder how well the P152/162 would compare as a center to the PC250 I'm using as a center to my two P362 mains.

Recalibrated everything tonight with the complete Primus setup and the lone HSU sub. Picked up a cheap 19" LCD for PS3 updates, SMS-1 graphs and other misc stuff so I don't have to turn on the projector every time. Also installed some Auralex MoPADs from the Audioholics store for the center channel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/importkrawler/DSC_1356.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/importkrawler/DSC_1360.jpg

Here is a shot of my newly acquired Rythmik Audio subs that will be used in sealed enclosures. End plans are to use four of them but going to try two out for now.
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/clearance.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/importkrawler/home%20theater/DSC_1088.jpg

Matt34, which hsu sub is that in the above picture and what do you think of it? i have a vtf3-mk3 on the way.

Matt34, which hsu sub is that in the above picture and what do you think of it? i have a vtf3-mk3 on the way.

It's the VTF3 MK II. It's an excellent sub and would keep me happy for years but I have a *slight* case of upgraditus so I'm going to try my hand in DIY.:p The SMS graph gives you a small idea of what the sub is capable of, in your case you won't be disappointed.;)

It's the VTF3 MK II. It's an excellent sub and would keep me happy for years but I have a *slight* case of upgraditus so I'm going to try my hand in DIY.:p The SMS graph gives you a small idea of what the sub is capable of, in your case you won't be disappointed.;)

do you think the 360's and the 350 do the sub and your harmon kardon justice? i have a pair of 360's and a onkyo 805 receiver as well as the vtf3-mk3 on the way and was told that for the rest of those components the speakers were pretty basic and should have put more into them than the other high-end items, and instead of getting the 350 center eventually, buying new fronts and a matching center from another maker and moving the 360s to the back.

I just bought a pair of 252s and a Sherwood receiver for my girlfriend. Grand total was $350 (she already has a DVD player.)
She is out of town until early next week, so I haven't gotten it hooked up yet. I think it will sound great, though, and that she will love it. A full report once it is up and running!

do you think the 360's and the 350 do the sub and your harmon kardon justice? i have a pair of 360's and a onkyo 805 receiver as well as the vtf3-mk3 on the way and was told that for the rest of those components the speakers were pretty basic and should have put more into them than the other high-end items, and instead of getting the 350 center eventually, buying new fronts and a matching center from another maker and moving the 360s to the back.

Told by whom? So much of this thread is devoted to acknowledging what the engineers at Harman already know. That the Primus line performs way above its price and is comparable to speakers costing way more dollars.

If you need justification for your speakers read the whole thread. If you're pleased, satisfied, and happy with the way they sound in your room then you may actually have high-end sound and just don't know it yet. Oh, and Hsu, based on price, isn't high-end - except in performance. Same with Primus.

do you think the 360's and the 350 do the sub and your harmon kardon justice? i have a pair of 360's and a onkyo 805 receiver as well as the vtf3-mk3 on the way and was told that for the rest of those components the speakers were pretty basic and should have put more into them than the other high-end items, and instead of getting the 350 center eventually, buying new fronts and a matching center from another maker and moving the 360s to the back.

Don't get too caught up in price= performance. Home Audio is one of the worst hobbies when it comes to what you get for the price generally. My budget was $1200 for my mains and after a lot of comparing, listening and reviewing the Infinity's were the best. Unlike other people that claim their speakers sound better than speakers costing 2x, 5x, etc I can actually back mine up with credible third party measurements.;)

FYI- My HK only cost me $300 used.

do you think the 360's and the 350 do the sub and your harmon kardon justice? i have a pair of 360's and a onkyo 805 receiver as well as the vtf3-mk3 on the way and was told that for the rest of those components the speakers were pretty basic and should have put more into them than the other high-end items, and instead of getting the 350 center eventually, buying new fronts and a matching center from another maker and moving the 360s to the back.

Driftwood07,

People are confounded by the Primus line because they are Infinity's 'entry level' and because we are conditioned to believe that we have to spend a fortune in order to get into 'hi-fi'. It's hard for us to imagine that high fidelity can be had for $300 a pair on the used market. But if people only knew how much more engineering and refinement Harman puts into its speakers than almost any other company, it would make sense. Most manufacturers do not have full, 4 pi anechoic chambers. They rely on pseudo-anechoic measurements, which means they have very little ability to optimize off-axis performance to the degree which Harman does (around 70% of what you hear is reflected). Then, when the speakers are actually prototyped, most manufacturers do 'sighted' testing in a conference room. Yay. Harman's multi-million dollar listening lab is an environment designed to reveal the actual character of a speaker. In it they do head-to-head double blind testing, where each speaker under development gets put up against three other speakers in a repeated, scientifically administered battery of listening tests. So instead of relying on the ears of one 'guru' in his listening room, they utilize groups of real people (pre-screened for good hearing -- people with hearing problems don't help), and let them judge the speakers in a double-blind, level matched test of preference. These guys are so good at the process that even their cheap stuff gets highly refined really quick. The Primus 360 is a speaker which did exceptionally well in this process, and is a standout even amongst the rest of the excellent lineup of their other speakers.

I had a pair of Beta 40's, some IL40's, some Primus 360's and now some Revel F32's. I certainly prefer the Revels, but as I listen to the Revels I marvel at how good the P360's are (were...they're in the garage now). There is no reason to think of them as second class, and it's going to take a lot more than a few hundred additional dollars to better them. In fact, I should be selling them because I now have the F32's, but for some reason I don't want to get rid of them. They're that good. I keep thinking that I'll find a use for them sometime.

thanks for the replies. i haven't heard any of the components i listed yet as they are currently in another state and i wont be able to set them up 'till thanksgiving break . (the wait is killing me :) ) when i went w. the onkyo 805 and the vtf3.3 i based the decision on their ratings/reviews for being great in their class . i picked up the 360's nearly solely based on price when they were 99 a piece on fry's . i guess it just seems a little lopsided (and too good to be true) to pair up some mains w. a receiver/sub combo costing 6x as much with no bottleneck... but from your impressions it just seems that the great thing about these speakers is they allow you to invest in the other components with what you saved, all without compromising quality.

thanks for the replies. i haven't heard any of the components i listed yet as they are currently in another state and i wont be able to set them up 'till thanksgiving break . (the wait is killing me :) ) when i went w. the onkyo 805 and the vtf3.3 i based the decision on their ratings/reviews for being great in their class . i picked up the 360's nearly solely based on price when they were 99 a piece on fry's . i guess it just seems a little lopsided (and too good to be true) to pair up some mains w. a receiver/sub combo costing 6x as much with no bottleneck... but from your impressions it just seems that the great thing about these speakers is they allow you to invest in the other components with what you saved, all without compromising quality.

If the chance ever arises that you can compare the 360 to other floor standers in the <$1k category you can see (hear) for yourself if you made the right decision. ;)

Hey Guys

I picked up 2 of the P362 from the EBay Store ($66 for the first one!!)....anyway, I'm still using my Polk Cis3 as the center and at first, I couldn't notice the 'offset' but after hearing more (or maybe the fronts are broken in more now), I can tell the center (especially for dialogues) is slightly 'quieter' compared to the overall sound.

Does this mean I should upgrade the center to Inifinity's as well? If so, what would be the compatible one?

Thanks