The display seems really high up though.
I had the camera tilted for a bit of an angle shot but yeah TV is above eye level.

Dude! How big is that sub???
15". It's this one: http://www.velodyne.com/products/product.aspx?ID=12&sid=997a35

OK. I went with the PC350. This is mainly for movies and I figured the center is the most important speaker since thats where the majority of the dialogue will come from. What do you think?

I think it will be fine. To tell you the truth, though, I'm not rooting for you, since you're doing what I wish I would have done.;)

Let us know how you like it. Unless you like it too much and you make me and my PC250 feel puny.:o

Probably this:

Well, that's what I figured, but that would drive me nuts. I'd feel like I was at a theatre with really great sound...and Manute Bol sitting in front of me.:eek:

Probably this:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/502/editedhtsetup.jpg

Heh. That is exactly what I did. For the price they were running at Fry's, why not as long as it works in my set up. I initially was considering the PC350, but opted for 3 towers instead.

Now that my wife and I have worked out a compromise and I'm turning the basement into my man-cave, I'm contemplating keeping the front setup the same, or maybe picking up a fourth 362, using two of them for surrounds, and then getting the 350 for the center.

The only advantage of this, for me, is having the screen at a lower viewing height. I'll probably keep it as it is. 42" or so to the bottom of the screen is fine with me for watching 10-12' away.

I think it will be fine. To tell you the truth, though, I'm not rooting for you, since you're doing what I wish I would have done.;)

Let us know how you like it. Unless you like it too much and you make me and my PC250 feel puny.:o



Well, that's what I figured, but that would drive me nuts. I'd feel like I was at a theatre with really great sound...and Manute Bol sitting in front of me.:eek:

I ordered my PC350 and it should be here tomorrow. I will let u know how it sounds. Maybe I can convince you to get a PC350 as well!

Well, that's what I figured, but that would drive me nuts. I'd feel like I was at a theatre with really great sound...and Manute Bol sitting in front of me.:eek:

Only if your room dimensions are like mine. Wider rooms should be no problem.

Heh. That is exactly what I did. For the price they were running at Fry's, why not as long as it works in my set up. I initially was considering the PC350, but opted for 3 towers instead.

Nice!
Yeap, all three 362's cost me less than the JBL Center alone from Fry's so I couldn't pass that up.
You will love the integrated movie soundstage from this setup. No off-axis lobing, etc.
Post some pics when you are done.

I have a velodyne deco system and wanted to slowly replace the speakers, starting with 2 p362's to replace my L and R. Someone mentioned how it wasn't a good idea to place a p162 on it's side as a center channel, I know it would clearly look less than great, but I'm running on a budget and limited space and figured that would be a better match than the extremely small velodyne satellite. Any specific reasons why placing a bookshelf speaker horizontally is a bad idea, and would it be worse than just using one of the small, mismatching satellites?

Nice!
Yeap, all three 362's cost me less than the JBL Center alone from Fry's so I couldn't pass that up.
You will love the integrated movie soundstage from this setup. No off-axis lobing, etc.
Post some pics when you are done.

I'll try to get a pic up today or tomorrow. I must give you the credit for influencing my choice for the 362 as a center. I saw the Fry's ad one Sunday and then spent about 3 hours reading this entire thread to see how they were. I saw the pics of your setup and read that article you referenced on how 3 matching front speakers were ideal.

Unfortunately, they sell for $129 now and not $99. Even though I had to order them online, I was able to listen to a pair at the store first.

Has anyone tried a 362 as a single, rear surround speaker in a 6.1 setup? Or is it just overkill since, from what I hear, there isn't a whole lot of information in any of the surround channels. How correct am I on this?

How would these P362's compare to say...the Energy C-500??? Anyone heard both?

How would these P362's compare to say...the Energy C-500??? Anyone heard both?

Ousooner,

You STILL searching? LOL....Damn. You know what? There will always be the next flavor of the month speaker. Just pick one and move on. The rate you are going.....you will finally have your home theater at age 90. :D

Anyways...good luck.

A few posts ago the thread was talking about how horizontal center channels not being ideal now they are great again. I am confused would it be better to use a p162 or a pc 350 I figured the p162 because the drivers match so you get the same frequency range but what is the answer.

Ousooner,

You STILL searching? LOL....Damn. You know what? There will always be the next flavor of the month speaker. Just pick one and move on. The rate you are going.....you will finally have your home theater at age 90. :D

Anyways...good luck.

Nope...already bought some C-500's that will be here Friday...just wondering;)

A few posts ago the thread was talking about how horizontal center channels not being ideal now they are great again. I am confused would it be better to use a p162 or a pc 350 I figured the p162 because the drivers match so you get the same frequency range but what is the answer.

The drivers are the same material in both, so that's not the issue. It's just that an ideal setup for room acoustics would be three p162s or three p362s (for example) for your front soundstage. For most people, it's not practical to do that, so we get the horizontal center channel speaker. Yes, it's a compromise, but rest assured that Harman has designed these speakers to be the best they can be for the price.

Nope...already bought some C-500's that will be here Friday...just wondering;)

Traitor.

A few posts ago the thread was talking about how horizontal center channels not being ideal now they are great again. I am confused would it be better to use a p162 or a pc 350 I figured the p162 because the drivers match so you get the same frequency range but what is the answer.

Well, if you buy into the whole "lobing" thing (and that's got nothing to do with your ears, by the way. Well, then again, I guess it does;)), stick with the P162 as a center.

Me, I'm more of the "V" in A/V, so the dedicated center channels suit me fine. I don't want my view of the screen compromised by a vertically-oriented center channel. Plus, I sit in the sweet spot, anyway.:p

And, to tell you the truth, I don't know why we even have center channels. I grew up listening to monaural recordings, and when stereo hit the rock and roll recording world in the '60s, I rejoiced. I loved all that separation they engineered into the mixes. Then stereo TVs came along and who didn't like that?

Center channels just seem too much like mono to me.:confused:

I'll try to get a pic up today or tomorrow. I must give you the credit for influencing my choice for the 362 as a center.

Not at all! It is the logical choice especially when you consider the sale price of the P362.


Unfortunately, they sell for $129 now and not $99.

Retail is 250$ when not on sale so 129$ is still a great deal!



Has anyone tried a 362 as a single, rear surround speaker in a 6.1 setup? Or is it just overkill since, from what I hear, there isn't a whole lot of information in any of the surround channels. How correct am I on this?

Yep, the surround channels barely touch 100HZ so the P362 might be overkill.

BUT, keep in mind having identical speakers all around is the ideal setup since you avoid the frequency response anomalies associated with different speaker designs and response curves, etc.

Well, if you buy into the whole "lobing" thing.....

At a local Home Theatre shop, I compared both B&W Center channels (Vertical vs. MTM):

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=2321&terid=2325&sc=ht (MTM Driver array-HTM61)

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=1444&sc=ht (Vertical Driver array-HTM7).

The difference was crystal clear!

Okay, this is what I have now. It won't be long until I get it moved into the basement.

I just got my 2 p362's and a pc350 hooked up last night to my new Onkyo 706,man that 350 really puts out the sound and it is huge.I get two energy 100's today and my pa 120 sub friday,I am going to have a good weekend:D

im thinking of getting me two of the 362s tomorrow. i wonder if they would be over kill for my bedroom thats 11x14 I can't decide between these and the polk m60's

Okay, this is what I have now. It won't be long until I get it moved into the basement.

Very nice setup!!

Is that a 52" 750 I see ?

One thing I learned by playing with the speaker positions was that the wider I could space them, the bigger the movie soundstage and dimension.

But I am sure you are just getting started ;)

Very nice setup!!

Is that a 52" 750 I see ?

One thing I learned by playing with the speaker positions was that the wider I could space them, the bigger the movie soundstage and dimension.

But I am sure you are just getting started ;)


Yes, that is a 52" 750. How could you tell?

The TV is on a movable arm, and I usually had it off to the right in the corner. It worked well with my old speakers but not any more. When I get it moved to the basement I can space the fronts much farther apart. The room is about 12' x 15'.

I was thinking about picking up a pair of 152's next for the surrounds, but then I'd need some stands or wall mounts. I may just spend another hundred or so over the cost of the 152's and get another pair of 362's. I figure I could build a pair or risers myself about 8-10" high and upholster them with some cheap fabric for next to nothing.

I'm really loving this setup and these speakers. The possibilities are endless. If I ever wanted to, I could get really crazy and run dual 362's on the fronts. I don't know enough about home audio setup at this point to know if this would really make a difference in a basement as small as mine, but it seems a shame to have a nice receiver with all these speaker outputs going to waste.

What I really need now though is a better sub. This old Sony just doesn't cut it. Surprisingly, the Sony satellites still work well for the surrounds. Maybe I'll use them eventually for rear surrounds.

im thinking of getting me two of the 362s tomorrow. i wonder if they would be over kill for my bedroom thats 11x14 I can't decide between these and the polk m60's

My living room is about 12' X 17' and they fit in nicely.

I don't know if this is proper or not, but my new speaker philosophy is that your speakers can never be too big.

Hey guys,

I bought the Primus 360 2 weeks a go for nearly 400 euro's (infinity is way more expensive here , in Europe I guess, than in USA & they don't have the new models).

I have to say I love them. And this is why I ordered the BetaC360 center speaker as well and it's going to be delivered today (this is why I'm seating home while it's sunny and hot out there:o).

I wonder how it's going to sound (and look as it is a big mother) next to the 360's.

TV: Sony 40W3000
Receiver: Yamaha DSP-A5
Front: Primus 360
Center: BetaC360
Rear: Wharfedale (bookshelf, don't know the type, it's old but does sound great)
Subwoofer: None:eek: (yet)

Not too bad for a student's apartment huh ;)

BTW since I'm new to this whole thing any tips and suggestions would be appreciated regarding how to hook up these speakers (like do I have to set the center speaker as small or large, etc. etc.)

Well I got the BetaC360 now and so far:

1. So far it sounds good (watched the beginning of transformers and played some guitar heroes :cool:)

2. I think it's overshadowing the P360's as it is louder (even after I turned the center speaker volume down to 0 from 7 on the receiver)

3. I kept the center speaker size on small since the bass of the P360's is way more powerful than the BetaC30 (it's clear when listening to Love Lock Down by Kanye West)

Conclusion: I'm happy:p

Well I got the BetaC360 now and so far:

1. So far it sounds good (watched the beginning of transformers and played some guitar heroes :cool:)

2. I think it's overshadowing the P360's as it is louder (even after I turned the center speaker volume down to 0 from 7 on the receiver)

3. I kept the center speaker size on small since the bass of the P360's is way more powerful than the BetaC30 (it's clear when listening to Love Lock Down by Kanye West)

Conclusion: I'm happy:p

You should try level matching your speakers so that they don't overpower each other. This can be done via your receiver's automatic calibration (if it has one) or you can do it using a sound pressure level meter.

Do you have a subwoofer? If yes, it would be best to set all speakers to small and set the crossover at around 80Hz and adjust from there.

Hi all,

I've been trying like heck to catch up through the last several pages of this thread but haven't yet seen this question answered clearly - I'm looking to get a set of P362's as fronts, and I know that PC350 is most commonly recommended as the center, but it won't fit in my current TV stand (too wide for the opening).

Would the PC250 still work well to match the P362's? I'm actually more of a music listener, but of course I would like movies/TV dialogue to still sound good too. Just wondering if anyone out there has the 362+250 setup and how it sounds?

I also have a side question: my current fronts are MK M5's and I'm planning on moving them to the rear - since those are 4 ohm speakers, will they be ok being used along with the 8 ohm Infinity's? My receiver is a Sony STR-DA2400ES and my plan is for a 5.1 system. (For the sake of completeness, my sub is a KEF KUBE-1).

Hi all,

I've been trying like heck to catch up through the last several pages of this thread but haven't yet seen this question answered clearly - I'm looking to get a set of P362's as fronts, and I know that PC350 is most commonly recommended as the center, but it won't fit in my current TV stand (too wide for the opening).

Would the PC250 still work well to match the P362's? I'm actually more of a music listener, but of course I would like movies/TV dialogue to still sound good too. Just wondering if anyone out there has the 362+250 setup and how it sounds?

I think the PC250 might be overpowered by the P362. Have you tried utilizing a phantom center so you possibly might not require a dedicated center channel?

I also have a side question: my current fronts are MK M5's and I'm planning on moving them to the rear - since those are 4 ohm speakers, will they be ok being used along with the 8 ohm Infinity's? My receiver is a Sony STR-DA2400ES and my plan is for a 5.1 system. (For the sake of completeness, my sub is a KEF KUBE-1).

Yes, it will work. Just level match it with your front sound stage.

Well I got the BetaC360 now and so far:

1. So far it sounds good (watched the beginning of transformers and played some guitar heroes :cool:)

2. I think it's overshadowing the P360's as it is louder (even after I turned the center speaker volume down to 0 from 7 on the receiver)

3. I kept the center speaker size on small since the bass of the P360's is way more powerful than the BetaC30 (it's clear when listening to Love Lock Down by Kanye West)

Conclusion: I'm happy:p

Usually music is a 2 channel source, which means nothing is actually coming out of your center when listening to music. Are you sure music is actually coming from the center or are you being tricked by the 362's fantastic imaging? I have tricked people into thinking the center was on during music quite a few times.

and I recently upgraded my HT once again, this time a TV, 9G kuro. now I have no money to get a new subwoofer, the last remaining piece I want to upgrade

You should try level matching your speakers so that they don't overpower each other. This can be done via your receiver's automatic calibration (if it has one) or you can do it using a sound pressure level meter.

Do you have a subwoofer? If yes, it would be best to set all speakers to small and set the crossover at around 80Hz and adjust from there.

Yep, I've already tried that, going from level 7 to 0 for the center, but I guess I have to go sub-zero on this one ;) (my receiver doesn't have a auomatic calibration, so I have to it my self )

And no, I don't have a subwoofer (yet), I wonder if I'm missing something:rolleyes:


Usually music is a 2 channel source, which means nothing is actually coming out of your center when listening to music. Are you sure music is actually coming from the center or are you being tricked by the 362's fantastic imaging? I have tricked people into thinking the center was on during music quite a few times.

Yes I'm sure, you can choose between 2 chanel or multi chanel.

When I choose multichanel and setup the center as a small speaker I have more bass than when I set it up as a large speaker.

The BetaC360 are louder than the P360's but the P360's have more bass

Well, I had asked earlier about anyone using alternate speakers for surrounds/rears. Didnt' get much in the way of response. Guess not many are doing so. Or not willing to fess up! :) Would still be interested if anyone has some solutions they'd like to share.

I am now back to considering the P142 or P152.

My current set up is:

2 P362
1 PC350
Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX

all driven by a Marantz SR5003.

I'm wondering with all the above is there any argumet for going with the 152 over the 142. I know they frequency response on teh 142 is much less than the 152 but I figure with the sub that's not much of an issue. I think the 142 offers better mounting options with the threaded screw option that the 152 doesn't.

Any thoughts?

Many thanks!

Scott

Well, I had asked earlier about anyone using alternate speakers for surrounds/rears. Didnt' get much in the way of response. Guess not many are doing so. Or not willing to fess up! :) Would still be interested if anyone has some solutions they'd like to share.

I am now back to considering the P142 or P152.

My current set up is:

2 P362
1 PC350
Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX

all driven by a Marantz SR5003.

I'm wondering with all the above is there any argumet for going with the 152 over the 142. I know they frequency response on teh 142 is much less than the 152 but I figure with the sub that's not much of an issue. I think the 142 offers better mounting options with the threaded screw option that the 152 doesn't.

Any thoughts?

Many thanks!

Scott

Placement is going to matter more than whether it's the 152 or 142.
Since this is not a dipole, I would favor the pivoting option of the 142s threaded screw hole.

Placement is going to matter more than whether it's the 152 or 142.
Since this is not a dipole, I would favor the pivoting option of the 142s threaded screw hole.

Yep, that's sort of my leaning at the moment. I had looked around at some dipoles as well..but pairing the 142's with something like the omnimount 10seems to offer the most options for placement. I'm not sure the dipoles would work properly with my rear placement possibilities. Plus being able to ebay the 142's or 152's off the Harman store is just too hard to pass up!

Scott

Yep, I've already tried that, going from level 7 to 0 for the center, but I guess I have to go sub-zero on this one ;) (my receiver doesn't have a auomatic calibration, so I have to it my self )

And no, I don't have a subwoofer (yet), I wonder if I'm missing something:rolleyes:

Yes you are! :) I have an eD A2-300 coupled with my 5.0 Primus speakers.

Anyone have any ideas or experience with how the P362 compares with the Aperion line of floor standers?

I purchased 4 P362's on sale at Fry's after finding this thread. I like the sound of the P362's, but am not in love with them. Love the price though!

I was wondering if for the price of the Aperion's is there a significant difference in the impact or quality of the sound?

Anyone have any ideas or experience with how the P362 compares with the Aperion line of floor standers?

I purchased 4 P362's on sale at Fry's after finding this thread. I like the sound of the P362's, but am not in love with them. Love the price though!

I was wondering if for the price of the Aperion's is there a significant difference in the impact or quality of the sound?

Probably depends on what you aren't loving about them and what you are looking to love about another set. I am thoroughly enjoying my 362's and would, personally, be hard pressed to justify another $200 to $600 for something else. I think, again for me, that the law of diminishing returns would start to kick in.

What is it your not particularly diggin' with the 362's?

What is it your not particularly diggin' with the 362's?[/QUOTE]

I guess I'm just looking for that WOW factor. This is my first time diving into the home theater realm, so doing my research and trying to sort out my tastes. I have bargain hunter disease too, so that doesn't help.

I read awesome reviews for the Aperions but they were out of stock. Then came across The Speaker Company TST3 tower with dual 8" woofers. Out of stock. They both have free shipping and 30 day return policy.

Then came across the Primus thread and my Fry's had the sale so I went there and listened and purchased. The 30 day return policy is coming up and I like them but just wonder if the other brands I considered have better detail or quality or impact for the price?

What is it your not particularly diggin' with the 362's?

I guess I'm just looking for that WOW factor. This is my first time diving into the home theater realm, so doing my research and trying to sort out my tastes. I have bargain hunter disease too, so that doesn't help.

I read awesome reviews for the Aperions but they were out of stock. Then came across The Speaker Company TST3 tower with dual 8" woofers. Out of stock. They both have free shipping and 30 day return policy.

Then came across the Primus thread and my Fry's had the sale so I went there and listened and purchased. The 30 day return policy is coming up and I like them but just wonder if the other brands I considered have better detail or quality or impact for the price?[/QUOTE]

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I can understand that. I researched and researched. I finally just decided that there is ALWAYS a greener patch of grass over the fence. The 362's solidly hit the performance/value sweet spot for me. I think I decided to get more WOW, for me, over the 362's I would have to spend considerably more. I'd rather spend the time enjoying the HT and gaming and music..than fretting over what I spent or if I accidentally knocked one over when vacuuming, lol. But I do understand what you mean...best of luck on the hunt!

I had a WOW moment this weekend.Put in Quantum of Solice in your blu ray player crank it up to 70 :D

I really don't think you can do better for the money than the Primus line (that is unless you find a great deal on Infinity Betas).
The R&D that Harman has put into these speakers is astounding. Smaller companies really can't compete. Plus, I like the design goals of an affordable speaker that measures extraordinarily flat in a wide variety of real rooms. A flat on-axis response is great, but off-axis is more iportant in the real world.

Before you start looking for something better, spend some time mexperimenting with the positioning of the 362s in your room. When you have that maximized, and you are still unsatisfied, then reevaluate. The room is so important to twhat you hear, and so often overlooked.

The room is so important to twhat you hear, and so often overlooked.

Agreed. Especially with bass response. I've tried putting my speakers into 4 different rooms and only 2 offered great bass response.

Yes, that is a 52" 750. How could you tell?

I love this LCD! For the sale price they sell for these days, it is one of the best on 12080p sources.

When I get it moved to the basement I can space the fronts much farther apart. The room is about 12' x 15'.

Yes, spacing them out will give you a more movie theatre like soundstage.

I may just spend another hundred or so over the cost of the 152's and get another pair of 362's.

Even if you don't use them in your current setup these can be hooked up to a plain 2 channel amp for just music listening etc.

What I really need now though is a better sub. This old Sony just doesn't cut it.

The single biggest purchase for me in my setup and worth every penny. Here is a good place to start: AV123 MFW-15 Subwoofer.

Quick question - I currently have 5.1 - 250 fronts, 25 center, 150 surrounds. I see that I can get the 142's very cheap online now, and would like to upgrade to 7.1. Would I notice much difference going with smaller versions as rears, or should I stick with 152's?

Quick question - I currently have 5.1 - 250 fronts, 25 center, 150 surrounds. I see that I can get the 142's very cheap online now, and would like to upgrade to 7.1. Would I notice much difference going with smaller versions as rears, or should I stick with 152's?

You'll be fine with the 142, is the price that big of a difference with the 152?

If I would do it, I would personally get the 152 so that the drivers are of the same size for all surrounds. :)

What is it your not particularly diggin' with the 362's?

I guess I'm just looking for that WOW factor.
The 30 day return policy is coming up and I like them but just wonder if the other brands I considered have better detail or quality or impact for the price?

I totally understand what you are going through, and can offer a couple thoughts: as humans we adapt to whatever we have and can become 'jaded'. Even people with top of the line speakers, cameras, cars, motorcycles, etc. can imagine there being better. We all get used to what we have and eventually the 'wow' factor goes away for everything. I have Revel F32's, and it's not like I get goosebumps every time I listen to them.

Infinity's own research has shown that our appraisal of given speakers (or anything else experienced via the senses) is quite relative. That is to say that in the absense of other speakers the P362's may not cause you to be dizzy with excitement on a day-in-day-out basis. But that is because you've gotten used to their excellent performance. What would cause you such emotions is to have a vastly more expensive speaker in your house for a few months, and then to reacquire the Primus's and experience the likely scenario that the $300 primus's outperform your $1500 brand x speaker. That would give you a serious rush because you found an incredible bargain. (That is what happened to me, BTW). But then, you get accustomed to their excellent performance and wonder if there is better out there for the money. You take them for granted, and you read the audiophile press or the forums and conclude that surely there must be better bang for the buck out there than your lowly Infinity Primus's. After all, other speakers are handmade! or get RAVE reviews! or have cooler looking drivers! or have pretty wood veneer! or they cost $1200! or they're English! Wow!! Surely those speakers must be able to 'blow away' your pathetic bix-box speakers. Surely Fry's couldn't be stocking a true audiophile speaker and sell them for under $300!! Nah. Everything out there is telling you that surely there must be some other diamond in the rough that utterly 'blows away' your generic mass-market speakers. There's got to be dozens and dozens of other speakers that utterly destroy such an overly familiar brand as Infinity, right?

Well, it's possible that there's something better out there, but then you're going to have to do the painstaking task of finding those speakers. You'll read reviews, ask around, maybe start buying and selling on ebay, craigslist and audiogon, and you'll go through five to ten pairs of speakers, paying shipping for all of them. You'll be scouring the newsgroups and reading all the websites (note that nearly every speaker out there has gotten 'rave' reviews at some time from someone). But - given how good the P362 is - if you don't spend more than $1k - it's nearly certain that you won't find a speaker that performs better than the P362. You might find a speaker that you LIKE better, for a whole host of reasons (they look cool, they give you goosebumps for a day or two, you're coasting off the placebo effect of 'rave reviews', etc.). But given that you (we all) have limited time and access to all the speakers you'd like to hear, it's highly likely that you'd shop and shop but find speakers that are either in the same general ballpark (somewhat likely), or quite a bit worse than the P362's (highly likely).


Your specific question regarding detail and impact could be thought of as follows: the P362 has a very flat on and off-axis frequency response. When FR is flat, nothing is under or over-emphasized, so detail is allowed to stand out. In that sense, the P362 is going to be hard to beat in the 'detail' department. In the impact department, the p360 is a true 3-way speaker with more woofer surface area than many similarly priced designs with single 6" woofers in two-way designs. I found my P360's gave nothing away to any speaker I had before it. Only the Revels (also with 2 6" woofers) go deeper AND cleaner AND louder than the P360's. Everything else I had was in the same bass ballpark (or worse b/c they were boomy compared to the P360's). As a matter of fact, I had some $1500 Monitor Audio RS8's at the time that I first got the P360's, and the P360's were so flat and under-control that the bass of the RS8's sounded horrible by comparison.

You'll be fine with the 142, is the price that big of a difference with the 152?

If I would do it, I would personally get the 152 so that the drivers are of the same size for all surrounds. :)

Better mounting options with the 142's though with the threaded insert. That's pretty much swayed me...but I didn't hvae 150's or 152 already. And yes you can get some sweet pricing on both..particularly on the Harman ebay site.

Scott

That's the site I was looking at - not a big price difference, but some. Oddly there aren't any P152s on now, I missed the ones from last night, but there are P142s. I read a few more pages and it sounds like a few people do have 152s and 142s.

How would you use the threaded inserts - wall mounting? I had planned to get some Sanus stands that match my current surrounds.

That's the site I was looking at - not a big price difference, but some. Oddly there aren't any P152s on now, I missed the ones from last night, but there are P142s. I read a few more pages and it sounds like a few people do have 152s and 142s.

How would you use the threaded inserts - wall mounting? I had planned to get some Sanus stands that match my current surrounds.
Yeah, wall mounts as I dont' have any good stand options...well none that I like. And I like the positioning options that you have with an arm mount rather than flat on the wall with the keyholes in the 142 and 152. There should be some 152's soon enough..there were like 6 of them on there last week. I actually picked one up but will likely go back to Harman for some 142's.

Scott

hmm did i just miss the sale for the p362's at frys? because its $299 from what im seeing at their website. would be nice if they are $129 each

I totally understand what you are going through, and can offer a couple thoughts: as humans we adapt to whatever we have and can become 'jaded'. Even people with top of the line speakers, cameras, cars, motorcycles, etc. can imagine there being better. We all get used to what we have and eventually the 'wow' factor goes away for everything. I have Revel F32's, and it's not like I get goosebumps every time I listen to them.

Infinity's own research has shown that our appraisal of given speakers (or anything else experienced via the senses) is quite relative. That is to say that in the absense of other speakers the P362's may not cause you to be dizzy with excitement on a day-in-day-out basis. But that is because you've gotten used to their excellent performance. What would cause you such emotions is to have a vastly more expensive speaker in your house for a few months, and then to reacquire the Primus's and experience the likely scenario that the $300 primus's outperform your $1500 brand x speaker. That would give you a serious rush because you found an incredible bargain. (That is what happened to me, BTW). But then, you get accustomed to their excellent performance and wonder if there is better out there for the money. You take them for granted, and you read the audiophile press or the forums and conclude that surely there must be better bang for the buck out there than your lowly Infinity Primus's. After all, other speakers are handmade! or get RAVE reviews! or have cooler looking drivers! or have pretty wood veneer! or they cost $1200! or they're English! Wow!! Surely those speakers must be able to 'blow away' your pathetic bix-box speakers. Surely Fry's couldn't be stocking a true audiophile speaker and sell them for under $300!! Nah. Everything out there is telling you that surely there must be some other diamond in the rough that utterly 'blows away' your generic mass-market speakers. There's got to be dozens and dozens of other speakers that utterly destroy such an overly familiar brand as Infinity, right?

Well, it's possible that there's something better out there, but then you're going to have to do the painstaking task of finding those speakers. You'll read reviews, ask around, maybe start buying and selling on ebay, craigslist and audiogon, and you'll go through five to ten pairs of speakers, paying shipping for all of them. You'll be scouring the newsgroups and reading all the websites (note that nearly every speaker out there has gotten 'rave' reviews at some time from someone). But - given how good the P362 is - if you don't spend more than $1k - it's nearly certain that you won't find a speaker that performs better than the P362. You might find a speaker that you LIKE better, for a whole host of reasons (they look cool, they give you goosebumps for a day or two, you're coasting off the placebo effect of 'rave reviews', etc.). But given that you (we all) have limited time and access to all the speakers you'd like to hear, it's highly likely that you'd shop and shop but find speakers that are either in the same general ballpark (somewhat likely), or quite a bit worse than the P362's (highly likely).


Your specific question regarding detail and impact could be thought of as follows: the P362 has a very flat on and off-axis frequency response. When FR is flat, nothing is under or over-emphasized, so detail is allowed to stand out. In that sense, the P362 is going to be hard to beat in the 'detail' department. In the impact department, the p360 is a true 3-way speaker with more woofer surface area than many similarly priced designs with single 6" woofers in two-way designs. I found my P360's gave nothing away to any speaker I had before it. Only the Revels (also with 2 6" woofers) go deeper AND cleaner AND louder than the P360's. Everything else I had was in the same bass ballpark (or worse b/c they were boomy compared to the P360's). As a matter of fact, I had some $1500 Monitor Audio RS8's at the time that I first got the P360's, and the P360's were so flat and under-control that the bass of the RS8's sounded horrible by comparison.

If this forum offered a "thanks" feature, i'd totally thank your post. It is really great, and sums up everything I feel about my Primus'.

I love them, but am not wow'd each day like I was the first time. Now, often I will get a move or game that does it, but not every day.

However, when my step dad comes over I can tell by his reaction (he has an old HTIB with lamp cord as the wire, lol) that I am still hearing it as I did the first time. It is just I am used to the great sound now, that I take it for granted sometimes.

More 142's up for sale today, but still no more 152's. I can't imagine I missed the boat by one day, hopefully there will be more soon.

I was looking at my Denon 2309's manual for suggested speaker placement, and it shows the surrounds and backs up near the ceiling, pointing down towards the seating area. Then I looked at Dolby's website, and it shows them all on stands that look about the same height as mine, 31". I guess it's just splitting hairs at this point, but do you think getting 142's mounted up high on the walls would be better than 152's on stands behind the seating area?

(he has an old HTIB with lamp cord as the wire, lol)

Nothing wrong with lamp cord as long as the length is not too long!

More 142's up for sale today, but still no more 152's. I can't imagine I missed the boat by one day, hopefully there will be more soon.

I was looking at my Denon 2309's manual for suggested speaker placement, and it shows the surrounds and backs up near the ceiling, pointing down towards the seating area. Then I looked at Dolby's website, and it shows them all on stands that look about the same height as mine, 31". I guess it's just splitting hairs at this point, but do you think getting 142's mounted up high on the walls would be better than 152's on stands behind the seating area?

How far away is the back wall? Unless we're talking about a huge room, you can compensate fine with the level. So, stands or on wall is usually an aesthetic issue.
As for height, I don't like surrounds low at seating ear level. The idea is to get a diffuse sound field. So, a good rule of thumb is standing ear level. And, not angled down at the listening position! Now, maybe you are in a basement with low ceilings . . . but I still wouldn't have the surrounds at 31 inches.
Now, for multichannel audio, it's a little different, but I assume we're talking about a predominately HT setup.

The room (finished basement in our new house) is really long, so the back wall is very far away and wouldn't work to mount speakers on. The room is 11.5' wide, and I haven't measured the length, but I'd say over 20', maybe 25'. The ceilings are fairly low, 8' I think, with a 1' drop (duct) running down one side, which might cause an issue if I wanted to mount them near the wall/ceiling corner. Do you think taller stands would be a good option? The 31" stands with P150s are about at ear level now.

This is definitely an HT setup. Thanks for the help, looking forward to going 7.1. Next is a real sub worthy of a house, not an apartment...

Nothing wrong with lamp cord as long as the length is not too long!

It's pretty long. Considerably longer than it needs to be at the very least.

It's pretty long. Considerably longer than it needs to be at the very least.

Lamp cord is all I've used for what?...43 years and counting. Hope I didn't miss some fine musical detail.

Got some 142s for my daughter last year for her to use in her bedroom with her Ipod. Using a re-configured Radio Shack Accurian rear-channel amp (30 bucks). Out of the box I was simply amazed at their sound quality. A sub with some upper frequency reach (say to 100Hz) combined with 5 of these would make a nice small room HT.

Even these little guys are quality speakers.

Got some 142s for my daughter last year for her to use in her bedroom with her Ipod. Using a re-configured Radio Shack Accurian rear-channel amp (30 bucks). Out of the box I was simply amazed at their sound quality. A sub with some upper frequency reach (say to 100Hz) combined with 5 of these would make a nice small room HT.

Even these little guys are quality speakers.

Ditto - even alone these make pretty satisfying 'bedroom system' speakers. That they're fairly small makes them impressive as they play. Great imaging.

how often do the P362's go on sale at fry's?

Out of the box I was simply amazed at their sound quality. A sub with some upper frequency reach (say to 100Hz) combined with 5 of these would make a nice small room HT.

That's basically what I've got for a medium-sized room, only with the P162s. There are no bad speakers anywhere in Infinity's line.

how often do the P362's go on sale at fry's?

Usually, it's been once every month.

The room (finished basement in our new house) is really long, so the back wall is very far away and wouldn't work to mount speakers on. The room is 11.5' wide, and I haven't measured the length, but I'd say over 20', maybe 25'. The ceilings are fairly low, 8' I think, with a 1' drop (duct) running down one side, which might cause an issue if I wanted to mount them near the wall/ceiling corner. Do you think taller stands would be a good option? The 31" stands with P150s are about at ear level now.

This is definitely an HT setup. Thanks for the help, looking forward to going 7.1. Next is a real sub worthy of a house, not an apartment...

Yeah, sounds like tall stands for the rear surrounds is best. You could experiment with them at the back wall before mounting or buying stands.
As for the sides, my room has a similar boxed duct on one side, and it doesn't bother me having the surrounds mounted on the wall about 63 inches high.

More 142's up for sale today, but still no more 152's. I can't imagine I missed the boat by one day, hopefully there will be more soon.

I was looking at my Denon 2309's manual for suggested speaker placement, and it shows the surrounds and backs up near the ceiling, pointing down towards the seating area. Then I looked at Dolby's website, and it shows them all on stands that look about the same height as mine, 31". I guess it's just splitting hairs at this point, but do you think getting 142's mounted up high on the walls would be better than 152's on stands behind the seating area?

Arghhhh, and I keep getting sniped in the last 30 seconds for the 142's on the Harman ebay site. Now their gone as well...grrrrr :mad: Had no where near the trouble winning my P362's!

Usually, it's been once every month.

that's not bad. is it usually by the end of each month?

Hi! How high your volume be on your primuses speaker? I have 362,350,150 driven with pio vsx-03txh. I feel it sounds comfortable at 17 vol level but when I start to put more volume beyond that it starts sounds brighter for me. Is it normal to primus speakers.thanks.

that's not bad. is it usually by the end of each month?

Last one was around 3rd week of March I believe.

As for the sides, my room has a similar boxed duct on one side, and it doesn't bother me having the surrounds mounted on the wall about 63 inches high.

I may take your advice, friend. I've got my surrounds on stands, and I don't think I'm getting enough benefit from them. They're slightly behind my couch, and I'm often slouched down in there so far that I wonder if I can even hear them.

I'd have to build some kind of shelf for them, though, since P162 aren't wall-mountable.

Hi! How high your volume be on your primuses speaker? I have 362,350,150 driven with pio vsx-03txh. I feel it sounds comfortable at 17 vol level but when I start to put more volume beyond that it starts sounds brighter for me. Is it normal to primus speakers.thanks.

The tonal balance of the 362s is such that you shouldn't be burned at high sound pressure levels. Are they toed in? If so, try straightening them out.
Are the grilles off?
This sounds like a room acoustic issue. I would experiment with the placement of your towers.
Maybe we can help if you post a pic and/or describe the room measurements.

I may take your advice, friend. I've got my surrounds on stands, and I don't think I'm getting enough benefit from them. They're slightly behind my couch, and I'm often slouched down in there so far that I wonder if I can even hear them.

I'd have to build some kind of shelf for them, though, since P162 aren't wall-mountable.

That sounds like a pain in the ass! They are heavy bookshelf speakers, so it'd have to be a substantial shelf I guess.
Have you read Floyd Toole's white papers on setting up surround systems?
Maybe they will give you some more ideas:
http://www.sound-thinking.org/index.php?showtopic=2213
(archived in PDF format on this forum post)

Hi! How high your volume be on your primuses speaker? I have 362,350,150 driven with pio vsx-03txh. I feel it sounds comfortable at 17 vol level but when I start to put more volume beyond that it starts sounds brighter for me. Is it normal to primus speakers.thanks.

What is 17? Do you have a sound level meter? Every receiver/amp has different numbers on the dial. Mine is loud enough (85-90dB) at 4 (it only goes to 10). Without some objective data we're all stabbing in the dark.

I've been using the Infinity TSS-Center for several years now and it's been growing on me. I originally purchased it because I wanted something smaller that could be used without taking up a long of space when I lived in an apartment several years ago.

I used it with some JBL Northride E80 floorstanding speakers. I know you should match up speaker sets, but this center channel sounded much better than my original JBL center.

Recently I "upgraded" to two Axiom M60's and an Axiom VP150 center. I liked them at first, but after trying my old speakers again and doing many comparisons I like my old speakers much better. It's really sad considering how much I spent on my Axiom Speakers.

The TSS-Center somehow is my favorite speaker. I thought at first it was just marketed for those that want a cool looking speaker and it really wouldn't sound that great (ie like BOSE), but that is definitely NOT the case. Everything is perfect with this speaker, but it does lack bass, but I don't care since I have a subwoofer. I find the TSS-Center sounds way better than my Axiom VP150, but now that I think about it, the TSS-center is actually more expensive at retail.

After buying the Axiom speakers, I feel like i've been "had". I guess I shouldn't always trust all those positive reviews out there.

Does anyone else like the TSS-Center or is anyone using it?

What would be a good match for this center speaker? Or is there a good upgrade for this speaker that would sound similar or even better?

Would the P362 speakers be a good match?

Audioholics reviewed the P162 bookshelves. The link is http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/infinity-primus-p162


these are the perfect entry level speakers.

I read the audioholics review of the 162 and found it to be fairly accurate except for the criticism concerning fatiguing highs. I have these speakers as my mains in my bedroom system and find the highs to be clean and extended. However, since I am an older listener my hearing must roll off earlier than that of the reviewer so I don't hear the same thing he does, I guess?

So I'm in the market for getting some new speakers for a new tv room and I've always had good experiences with Infinity; currently I have a Beta setup in another room. Since they are no longer made and getting harder to find I was interested in the Primus setup, especially since people here seem to love theirs. With that said, I was curious as to how these speakers compare to the Betas, if anyone has had the opportunity to listen to both of them? Hopefully soon I'll get some free time to run over to a shop and take a listen to them.

Thanks for any info.

I donot own Primus speakers yet, but may buy 362 for fronts (on next frys sale, if one happens again). Many have opined about vertical centers.

So with 362 fronts, is it advicable to place PC350 center vertically? Or is it better to go for 162 as center? I can make about 25" space below TV.

I donot own Primus speakers yet, but may buy 362 for fronts (on next frys sale, if one happens again). Many have opined about vertical centers.

So with 362 fronts, is it advicable to place PC350 center vertically? Or is it better to go for 162 as center? I can make about 25" space below TV.

The current consensus seems to be P362>PC350>P162>PC250. Of course, that could change at any time.

I read the audioholics review of the 162 and found it to be fairly accurate except for the criticism concerning fatiguing highs. I have these speakers as my mains in my bedroom system and find the highs to be clean and extended. However, since I am an older listener my hearing must roll off earlier than that of the reviewer so I don't hear the same thing he does, I guess?

"Fatiguing highs..." standard review boilerplate. We could put a bunch of standard review phrases in a computer program and create reviews that are just as meaningful as that one.

Reviews are entertaining stories about audio equipment. They need to be taken with less than a grain of salt. The only thing you can be certain of in a review is that the piece of equipment exists.

So I'm in the market for getting some new speakers for a new tv room and I've always had good experiences with Infinity; currently I have a Beta setup in another room. Since they are no longer made and getting harder to find I was interested in the Primus setup, especially since people here seem to love theirs. With that said, I was curious as to how these speakers compare to the Betas, if anyone has had the opportunity to listen to both of them?
The Betas are still plentiful at Harman's ebay store.

What is 17? Do you have a sound level meter? Every receiver/amp has different numbers on the dial. Mine is loud enough (85-90dB) at 4 (it only goes to 10). Without some objective data we're all stabbing in the dark.

I mean its -17 because volume started at -80 to 8.

I mean its -17 because volume started at -80 to 8.

Mine goes to 11 ;)

The current consensus seems to be P362>PC350>P162>PC250. Of course, that could change at any time.

I donot have space for another P362 as center.

Has anyone tried PC350 as vertical center?

I did read an article in this thread on vertical center, though I can appreciate P362 as center, I do not understand why P162 are preferred over PC250?

Just purchased some P362's this weekend. No really good sales, but I got them for about $199 each. That seems good enough to me!

I'm hoping they will be a decent match with my Infinity TSS-Center 4000. I'd hate to get rid of that thing since it's my favorite center speaker.

So, there's no "upgrade" that would be a better match for the P362? No fans of the TSS-Center here? Seems like more people would have checked into that speaker.

Despite being much cheaper, these are actually an upgrade from my Axiom M-60's. I disliked those so much that I've only been able to stand using them for 6 months and switch back to my old JBL Nortridge E-80's.

Somehow I even like my Infinity TSS-Center 4000 more than my old Axiom VP150 Center.

The TSS-Center 4000 is actually the main reason I checked into Infinity.

For a few hours I was really tempted to go with some Polk Monitor 60's on sale for only $129 each, but decided to skip them and i'm glad I did.

The Betas are still plentiful at Harman's ebay store.

I'm looking to get some towers for the L/R so the eBay store really isn't an option. These days the selection for the Beta line is pretty slim with only the 10s, 20s and C250s being put up on the Harman eBay store :( Although if it comes down to it I could always go for 4 20s all around then find a C360 elsewhere or even go with another 20 for the center.

Aside from that, does anyone have insight as to how the Primus series sounds in comparison to the Beta line?

I'm looking to get some towers for the L/R so the eBay store really isn't an option. These days the selection for the Beta line is pretty slim with only the 10s, 20s and C250s being put up on the Harman eBay store :( Although if it comes down to it I could always go for 4 20s all around then find a C360 elsewhere or even go with another 20 for the center.

Aside from that, does anyone have insight as to how the Primus series sounds in comparison to the Beta line?

Speaking of the eBay store, did they go on vacation or something...all stock seems to be dwindling. The Infinity gear is down to just two pieces?? I've only been watching a month or two. Is this a normal cycle with them?

I'm wondering the same thing. From 3/30 to 4/6 they had several P152s each day, and not a single one since. Starting to look like I really did miss the bus.

I have both the Beta 20s and the P162s. In addition to the upgraded CMMD drivers, the Betas have better cabinetry. It's really no contest, as far as I am concerned. The Primus speakers are great, don't get me wrong, but the Beta's seem to reveal more detail, and less subjectively, they have deeper bass extension. I really don't mind not having a sub with the Betas, but, I always listen to 2.1 with the P162s. At original MSRP, I'm not sure the Betas are worth the extra expense, but now that you can get them at closeout prices, it's a no brainer!

If you go with the 250c or 350c, you should NOT position it vertically.
This speaker is designed to be placed horizontally.

Yes, a vertical array is ideal for the center channel, but this typically means you go with the same speaker as used for the left and right channels, which has been designed to be oriented verically. If you don't have room for another P362, then you could TRY a P162, for example, but it is important to have the tweeters of all three front speakers at the same level. If this is not feasible, you might as well just go with the designed horizontal 250 or 350c.

I read the audioholics review of the 162 and found it to be fairly accurate except for the criticism concerning fatiguing highs. I have these speakers as my mains in my bedroom system and find the highs to be clean and extended. However, since I am an older listener my hearing must roll off earlier than that of the reviewer so I don't hear the same thing he does, I guess?

The measurements of the P162 don't indicate fatiguing treble. IME, this is a room acoustic characteristic. My P162s seemed brighter in my old room than they do now, for example.

I mean its -17 because volume started at -80 to 8.


I think I know what your talking about, yes at VERY high volumes it seems the 362 and 252 ( I have both ) seem to get very loud in the upper frequencies and the lows don't keep up. This may be due to the receiver running out of juice or something. I have a yammy 6190 and with the auto levels it seems to get Bright from -15, boosting the lows with the internal eq only seems to distort so thats where my guess is based on.

I am getting an emo amp soon so I will know if it's just the amp running out of juice or that the primus'es soon.

Regardless these are a great value, at least here, we can get polk, Klips, B&W and Axioms ( and others ) locally but pay 3-5x as much as they retail State side, the infinities are available at about $199 to $399usd a pair and go on sale here about every 2-3 months selling for even less.

Speaking of reviews, Home Theater magazine reviewed the Classia 7.1 system last month, and they loved them. Now, I know these have the Ceramic MMD drivers and undoubtedly are better built, but really, how much better can they be? Especially for over $7,000?

Frankly, they look almost the same as our Primus line.

And this is interesting, considering all the talk here lately about center channels: while the C336 fronts are basically P362s with a an extra woofer, the CC225 is a two-way with the same size drivers as a C250.

After we pretty much agreed that the C250 would get drowned out by most Primus fronts, I wonder why these monster Classias work with such a small center?:confused:

Speaking of reviews, Home Theater magazine reviewed the Classia 7.1 system last month, and they loved them. Now, I know these have the Ceramic MMD drivers and undoubtedly are better built, but really, how much better can they be? Especially for over $7,000?

Frankly, they look almost the same as our Primus line.


My guess is that the Beta line was discontinued so that Revel could release the entry level Performa series. The very unconventional Cascade series was released, and there was a gap--that is, no step up traditional cone driver, forward firing design, ie a step up Primus. That's Classia. I've seen and heard them, albeit in a bad listening room at a big box dealer. I didn't hear the price premium! Compared to the Primus (and the Betas), Classia has a much more modern, styled appearance. That's got to be part of what's going on here. The box construction and shape is very different--it looked like a resin material, and it is tapered in the back.

hey all,

just wanted to know if my setup will work well together and if any recommendations with the remaining speakers that i need to make it 5.1/7.1

Setup:
Samsung LN46A580
Onkyo SR606
Primus PC350
Primus P362 x2
BIC Acoustech H100

this is my first ever entertainment system so i just picked a mid range, bang for the buck type of setup ( i hope ). now i'm thinking of adding more speakers in the future for surround. should i stick with primus lineup? if so which? thanks in advanced!

hey all,

just wanted to know if my setup will work well together and if any recommendations with the remaining speakers that i need to make it 5.1/7.1

Setup:
Samsung LN46A580
Onkyo SR606
Primus PC350
Primus P362 x2
BIC Acoustech H100

this is my first ever entertainment system so i just picked a mid range, bang for the buck type of setup ( i hope ). now i'm thinking of adding more speakers in the future for surround. should i stick with primus lineup? if so which? thanks in advanced!

I have a very similar setup.

Sharp LC-52D64U
Onkyo TX-SR705
Infinity Primus 360 x 2 (Front - Main)
Infinity Primus PC350 (Center)
Infinity Primus 250 x 2 (Rear- Surrounds)
Premier Acoustics PA-120 x 2 (Dual Subs)

Amazing sounding budget system, but the thing that made the biggest difference and really brought my budget system to life was my most recent purchase.

Emotiva XPA-5 (5 channel x 200W into 8 ohms)
http://emotiva.com/xpa5.shtm

In your case, I would go with either the P252s or P152s for surrounds.

Good luck...

I have a very similar setup.

Sharp LC-52D64U
Onkyo TX-SR705
Infinity Primus 360 x 2 (Front - Main)
Infinity Primus PC350 (Center)
Infinity Primus 250 x 2 (Rear- Surrounds)
Premier Acoustics PA-120 x 2 (Dual Subs)

Amazing sounding budget system, but the thing that made the biggest difference and really brought my budget system to life was my most recent purchase.

Emotiva XPA-5 (5 channel x 200W into 8 ohms)
http://emotiva.com/xpa5.shtm

In your case, I would go with either the P252s or P152s for surrounds.

Good luck...

does the 2 you mentioned even comparable to each other or are the 252's the way to go?

Just purchased an Infinity primus setup and I am quite happy with it:
2 P362
2 P162 (way larger than I thought)
1 PC250
1 Def Tech Supercube III
Sr507

I did the setup last night, and I've been quite happy with it. The main reason I went with the p362s over the 252's was their addition of a mid range driver.

does the 2 you mentioned even comparable to each other or are the 252's the way to go?

I like the 252s because they are free standing and don't need speaker stands. If you have shelves or like a little smaller surround then go with the 152s. As far as how they compare, when used as surrounds there will be little difference. Both should do a good job.

Just purchased an Infinity primus setup and I am quite happy with it:
2 P362
2 P162 (way larger than I thought)
1 PC250
1 Def Tech Supercube III
Sr507

I did the setup last night, and I've been quite happy with it. The main reason I went with the p362s over the 252's was their addition of a mid range driver.

the matching PC350 center has mid-range drivers as well.

Hi Myke,
Unfortunately Vanns no longer carried them (I work there), so I opted for the pc250 instead. The Pc350 was definitely my first choice.

Does anybody have any experience with upward facing surround speakers?

The reason I ask is that I don't think I'm getting enough out of my surrounds in my current set up. They are P162s on 24-inch speaker stands. When I slouch down in my couch there is no line of sight (line of sound?:p) between my ears and the speakers.

They're not wall-mountable, and they're too heavy to hassle with building some kind of shelf (I talked about this before, with amicus maybe?). But, they could certainly be laid on their backs on the stands.

It's always sounded pretty goofy to me, but I know that people do it. And, since the P162s are ported on the front, there's no physical reason why it couldn't be done.

One thing's for sure, Audyssey will sure have its work cut out for it!

Any thoughts?

No idea there - I'd say try it out and find out what it sounds like. Or maybe find (or build) some taller stands.

I can't believe Harman stopped selling these on ebay right when I was ready to buy for my rears. I really did miss the bus because I was waffling between the 142s and 152s. Yargh.

Does anybody have any experience with upward facing surround speakers?

The reason I ask is that I don't think I'm getting enough out of my surrounds in my current set up. They are P162s on 24-inch speaker stands. When I slouch down in my couch there is no line of sight (line of sound?:p) between my ears and the speakers.

They're not wall-mountable, and they're too heavy to hassle with building some kind of shelf (I talked about this before, with amicus maybe?). But, they could certainly be laid on their backs on the stands.

It's always sounded pretty goofy to me, but I know that people do it. And, since the P162s are ported on the front, there's no physical reason why it couldn't be done.

One thing's for sure, Audyssey will sure have its work cut out for it!

Any thoughts?

P162's are wall mountable..........I used these from Crutchfield......just make sure you at least put one screw into the bottom of the speaker through the bracket. I had one speaker fall (clamps must not have been tight enough) and had to buy a woofer for it.

Here is the link http://www.crutchfield.com/app/product/search/searchresults.aspx?SearchTab=Shop&us=2&search=speaker+wall+mount

P162's are wall mountable..........I used these from Crutchfield......just make sure you at least put one screw into the bottom of the speaker through the bracket. I had one speaker fall (clamps must not have been tight enough) and had to buy a woofer for it.

Here is the link http://www.crutchfield.com/app/product/search/searchresults.aspx?SearchTab=Shop&us=2&search=speaker+wall+mount

Actually, I meant they didn't have keyhole mounts on them. But you're right, those BT-77 brackets could work.

Thanks! How are things in Schaumburg? (I read your review;))

Actually, I meant they didn't have keyhole mounts on them. But you're right, those BT-77 brackets could work.

Thanks! How are things in Schaumburg? (I read your review;))



Hi Otto, things are warming up in Schaumburg............time to take the bike with the motor out.......

If interested check out the review of Infinity Primus 162 atwww.hometheaterreview.com dated April 23,2009. This review is very fair and accurate.

Regarding the huge PC350 center, does it really start to roll off at 80Hz? Anybody ever done any actual FR measurements?

Purchased the C350 to go with my new Infinity Primus P362s. Sounds very good, but if you can believe this, my old Infinity TSS-Center 4000 sounds much better! Has anyone here tried this speaker out? It looks as if it was aimed at Bose owners due to the size and design, but for being such a small speaker it's sounds crystal clear. I don't have a clue why this thing sounds so good. For being so small though it weighs a ton. It lacks bass, but it's a center and I have a sub for that. I'm a huge fan of this speaker and I wish someone else in the world has tried it out!

I think i'm going to use ths Infinity TSS-Center over the C350! I paid like $300 for it back in the day but it's still going for $500 retail I think. I don't even know if they still make it.

What's weird is that the main speakers that go with this are the same exact speakers pretty much.

I am a new Infinity speaker owner. I have them for about 2 weeks and am very pleased with them. The center is a Primus 350 and I think the sound is awesome. (I assume you are speaking of the 350). Of course one must realized that what goes in determines what comes out. I have noticed that old movies/songs do not sound as good as the ones with the latest digital/Hd technoligy recording equipment even the ones that have been converted to bluray. I have read on the forums that one needs to listen to his or hers music/movies with different speakers to really determine that these are right for them. I originally was looking at polks in my budget, but with much reading decided on the infinities. Almost got the PS250, but glad i got the 350, with 5 drivers, just can't beat it and yes it is heavy and performs well with the others. The sub is necessary, regardless. This, of course, is a step up from my onkyo 7.1 setup THIB. It sounded decent too!

I watched Hulk on Directv, and, well, it is hard to explain, but... it was amazing, the room was filled from every direction, every detail of every explosion, every foot stomping move the the hulk himself. The movement of the vehicles, the rockets from every direction-left to right, front to rear. The little 8" sub was pumping it to rattling of the floors, (even with the bass turned down). The setting on the onkyo was THX Cinema. Simply amazing even the video from the hdmi 1.3. I guess i did not think one could get such incredible sound from cable/sattelite signals, but this has proven me wrong. It was just like (or better than) watching a DVD and sometimes bluray quality. My components....

Onkyo 806
Samsung 50" 1080 plazma
Samsung 2550 bluray with netflix and pandora
Directtv

Infinity speakers....7.1
PS-28 sub
PC-350 Center
P-162 Fronts (2)
P-152 Surrounds (4)

I am not familiar with the larger infinities, but i know they must be great, but with decorating issues, one must consider the wife!!! Even though we have a large room 20X24, 9' ceilings and hardwoods the speakers have to be wired in, not on stands. So, a decision had to be made. All in all I am still pleased with the setup, since audyssey does the rest for me.

Happy listening!!

Anyone have a good suggestion for what to use to wall mount a P150? I've decided in my new basement the surrounds need to go on the wall.

I would mount a piece of wood in a stud as a back plate (could be painted or stained to match), on which you can insert screws for the two keyhole mounts on the back of the speaker.
Those keyholes are too close to get both in a stud, and those speakers are too heavy for me to risk wall anchors.

Great idea - thanks for the suggestion! Maybe I could use that piece of wood to angle it slightly down as well.

Anyone have a good suggestion for what to use to wall mount a P150? I've decided in my new basement the surrounds need to go on the wall.


How about the BT77 bracket?
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_121BT77B/B-Tech-BT77-Black.html?search=speaker+wall+mount

i have the opportunity to buy these for $575.does that sound good?


2-362's
2-152's
1-350

i have the opportunity to buy these for $575.does that sound good?


2-362's
2-152's
1-350

Sounds good to me. I got

2-362's
2-162's
1-350

for $820

Infinity Primus 362 on sale at FRYS B&M store for ONE DAY ONLY. $99/each.

Infinity Primus 362 on sale at FRYS B&M store for ONE DAY ONLY. $99/each.

b&m?

nevermind

brick and mortar.. i.e. not online

brick and mortar.. i.e. not online

yeah i just realized what it means.damn i wish i would have logged on earlier

Wow - smokin deal, if only they were in CO. Looks like somebody already got theirs on Ebay. Speaking of which, still no more refurbs from Harmon!

Infinity Primus 362 on sale at FRYS B&M store for ONE DAY ONLY. $99/each.

Ouch! Howd I miss that :(

I picked up two P362 towers, but I'm having some trouble with them. They sound great for most things so far, but at certain frequencies the tweeters sound harsh and almost buzzy (they sound perfect most of the time). You notice it the most with male voices. Both towers are doing this (I tested them together and independently) and it makes watching television a very unpleasant experience.

I'm guessing since both towers have the same issue, it isn't a defective tweeter, but more likely my equipment. I'm running them off a Kenwood VRS-7100, which may be a bit anemic for these towers? Any thoughts/ideas? Thanks!

I picked up two P362 towers, but I'm having some trouble with them. They sound great for most things so far, but at certain frequencies the tweeters sound harsh and almost buzzy (they sound perfect most of the time). You notice it the most with male voices. Both towers are doing this (I tested them together and independently) and it makes watching television a very unpleasant experience.

I'm guessing since both towers have the same issue, it isn't a defective tweeter, but more likely my equipment. I'm running them off a Kenwood VRS-7100, which may be a bit anemic for these towers? Any thoughts/ideas? Thanks!

Good chance the Kenwood does,nt have the moxy to drive them. (It is rated at 100WPC though).Keep the volume down to where they sound clean. That,s all you are going to get without overloading the amp and blowing the tweeters.
I am driving my 360's at reference level with a Pio SC-05. Loud and Clean.
No harshness at all and loving it.

One thing you could try is a powered Sub. If you can set up the amp in a 2.1 with an LFE output you will put less demand on the amp due to not having to drive the lower freq.

Good luck

I picked up two P362 towers, but I'm having some trouble with them. They sound great for most things so far, but at certain frequencies the tweeters sound harsh and almost buzzy (they sound perfect most of the time). You notice it the most with male voices. Both towers are doing this (I tested them together and independently) and it makes watching television a very unpleasant experience.

I'm guessing since both towers have the same issue, it isn't a defective tweeter, but more likely my equipment. I'm running them off a Kenwood VRS-7100, which may be a bit anemic for these towers? Any thoughts/ideas? Thanks!

Room acoustics?
Are they toed in to the listening seat, or facing straight ahead? Can you dampen the side walls where you're getting high frequency first reflection?

I picked up two P362 towers, but I'm having some trouble with them. They sound great for most things so far, but at certain frequencies the tweeters sound harsh and almost buzzy (they sound perfect most of the time). You notice it the most with male voices. Both towers are doing this (I tested them together and independently) and it makes watching television a very unpleasant experience.

I'm guessing since both towers have the same issue, it isn't a defective tweeter, but more likely my equipment. I'm running them off a Kenwood VRS-7100, which may be a bit anemic for these towers? Any thoughts/ideas? Thanks!

Your magnetic shielding may be loose. A lot of people cut the magnetic shielding off the drivers of the Primus series due to that issue. If you hear any rattling type noise that might be it. Now, if you're hearing clipping at certain frequencies, that's another issue. The Primuses are pretty easy to drive except for a few frequencies where they dip down to almost 4 Ohm.

I'm planning to be a future primus owner, but need help on choosing the receiver since i'm a home theater noob.

I plan on getting two p362 for fronts, pc350 center, and two p162 for surround.

Would this receiver, Pioneer VSX-819H, power these speakers well?

Power Amplifier Design Discrete (Advanced Direct Energy)
Surround Power 110 x 5
Channels 5
THD 1 kHz w// 0.05% THD @ 8 ohm
Calibration Features

Specs found here: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/PioneerReceivers/ci.VSX-819H-K.Kuro?tab=B

Infinity Primus 362 on sale at FRYS B&M store for ONE DAY ONLY. $99/each.

You're killing me. That's cheaper than my P162s, which never go on sale.

Oh, well. I'll just take it as a sign that mine are actually better speakers.;)

I'm planning to be a future primus owner, but need help on choosing the receiver since i'm a home theater noob.

I plan on getting two p362 for fronts, pc350 center, and two p162 for surround.

Would this receiver, Pioneer VSX-819H, power these speakers well?

Power Amplifier Design Discrete (Advanced Direct Energy)
Surround Power 110 x 5
Channels 5
THD 1 kHz w// 0.05% THD @ 8 ohm
Calibration Features

Specs found here: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/PioneerReceivers/ci.VSX-819H-K.Kuro?tab=B

How big is your room, and what is the distance to your fronts from the seating area?
Although that 110 watts is probably a liberal spec (and the distortion spec is BS-limited to the middle of the band at 1Khz), you should have plenty of juice for the Primuses. One thing to consider, is that while the nominal impedence of the Primuses is 8 ohms, the measurements I've seen in test reports show a lot of variation below that. Getting a receiver rated for 6 Ohm loads would be a reasonable expense. You could try accessories4less.com for a refurnished/closeout Onkyo.

Hey everyone,

I am trying to decide which center channel to get. My current setup is

L/R - P360
Center - old Infinity CC-2
Surround - P160
Surr. backs - P162
Sub - old Infinity BU-12

The biggest problem with my setup is the center is muffled sounding. So I have decided that it is time to upgrade it. The PC250 will fit perfectly in my TV stand which is where the CC-2 is currently sitting. I would prefer the PC350 for the better sound, but the size is just to massive. I would have to find a way to mount it above the TV which will require moving a mirror. I don't know if this will pass WAF. Will the PC250 sound to thin compared to the 360's? If I do decide to go with the 350 what is the best way to mount it? What have others done?

Thanks for the help everyone.

I auditioned the P362 (almost same as P360) with the PC350 and I was immediately sold on them. I didn't take the time to audition a PC250 plus P362 combo because it got me thinking that the PC250 would drown against the P362.

How big is your room, and what is the distance to your fronts from the seating area?
Although that 110 watts is probably a liberal spec (and the distortion spec is BS-limited to the middle of the band at 1Khz), you should have plenty of juice for the Primuses. One thing to consider, is that while the nominal impedence of the Primuses is 8 ohms, the measurements I've seen in test reports show a lot of variation below that. Getting a receiver rated for 6 Ohm loads would be a reasonable expense. You could try accessories4less.com for a refurnished/closeout Onkyo.

Thanks for the response.

I will be moving quite a bit the next few years, so unsure of what room sizes gonna be. I'm kind of confused how the ohms work. I did pull this from the pioneer manual.

Amplifier section
Continuous average power output of 80
watts* per channel, min., at 8 ohms, from
20 Hz to 20 000 Hz with no more than
0.2 %** total harmonic distortion.
Front (stereo) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .80 W + 80 W
Power output (1 kHz, 8 Ω, 0.05 %)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 W per channel
Guaranteed speaker impedance
FRONT:A, B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 Ω to 16 Ω
FRONT:A+B. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 Ω to 16 Ω
SURROUND, CENTER . . . . . . . . . 6 Ω to 16 Ω

So I guess this pioneer is not rated for 6 ohm loads.

I really want to go with the pioneer because of the lower price but if it will sacrifice any sound quality, I guess I would rather get an onkyo 606 or 607

Hmm.....another question.

Do you guys think two p142's would be enough for rear duty in a 5.1 setup, when matched with p362's and pc350?

WAF is definitely lower than if i went with p152's or p162's, but I will probably get the bigger speakers if sound quality would be improved.

Searched the thread, found my answer.

"You could even go with P142 for back speaker. Those go really cheaply on ebay and have built in wall mounts (keyhole slots) and a threaded insert. Honestly not that much info gets sent to the surround speakers. Now if you're listening to multichannel music like SACD, that's a different story. You'll want fuller sounding speakers."

Does anyone have any idea if Frys is going to have a Memorial Day sale?


I was in there yesterday and I asked an employee when their next sale was going to take place and he said that the employees are not told when the sales will take place.

Does anyone have any idea if Frys is going to have a Memorial Day sale?


I was in there yesterday and I asked an employee when their next sale was going to take place and he said that the employees are not told when the sales will take place.

Here is today's 8 page ad. I'd keep checking on that link everyday as it is updated in the morning.

http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664

Infinity Primus 362 on sale at FRYS B&M store for ONE DAY ONLY. $99/each.

DAMN IT!!! I MISSED IT AGAIN!!!:mad:

I've been waiting for a sale on the P362's for months now and keep seeing those weak Polk R50's every week. Do you only find out about this if you go to the store?

DAMN IT!!! I MISSED IT AGAIN!!!:mad:

I've been waiting for a sale on the P362's for months now and keep seeing those weak Polk R50's every week. Do you only find out about this if you go to the store?

Fry's ad comes out every Friday and sometimes they add new stuff on the saturday and sunday ad as well. You need to google fry ad or buy the newspapaer to see if and when they go on sale. That was the cheapest I've seen for awhile.

i just got off the phone with fry's and they are still $299 ea.

I'm looking at getting the p152 for the L/R and surrounds. I want to know which center channel would be more appropriate, the pc250 or the pc350? Incidentally, I am planning on getting a high-end sub. I just haven't decided on which one yet.

I'm looking at getting the p152 for the L/R and surrounds. I want to know which center channel would be more appropriate, the pc250 or the pc350? Incidentally, I am planning on getting a high-end sub. I just haven't decided on which one yet.

I'd get the PC250 for that.

I'm looking at getting the p152 for the L/R and surrounds. I want to know which center channel would be more appropriate, the pc250 or the pc350? Incidentally, I am planning on getting a high-end sub. I just haven't decided on which one yet.

You can hardly get a more perfect match than the PC250 for those speakers. They have identical 5-1/4" drivers and a very similar frequency response. I use P162s in my system (6-1/2" woofers) and the PC250's sound is still more than adequate.

That giant PC350 is a nice speaker, especially if you've got larger 3-way floor-standing fronts, but it's by no means required for a very good 5 or 7.1 system. It's identical (except for being the size of a Buick) to the two-way PC250 (80Hz-20kHz frequency response), but with the addition of 3" mids.

I bought the Primus Theater pack 2. The satellites have the keyhole brackets to hang on the wall, but the center channel did not. Does anyone know where I can buy some of these brackets? I like the way the satellites mount flush to the wall and I would like to do the same with the center channel. I don't care if they are not the same bracket,anything that is simular would work great.

Thanks in advanced for your reply.

I just exchanged my pc250 for a pc350, we'll see the difference in a few days when I get it set up.

I just exchanged my pc250 for a pc350, we'll see the difference in a few days when I get it set up.

Ive had the 350 for a few weeks now and man can that thing pump out some sound.I also have the 152's for the rear and they sound good as well but now i need the 362's for the front and im hoping they will go on sale for July 4th.

I just exchanged my pc250 for a pc350, we'll see the difference in a few days when I get it set up.

What receiver and speaker wire gauge are you using on it?

Any news on Fry's sales on the P362's for Fathers Day? I don't think there has been a sale on these for over a month now. There are due!

I'm using an Onkyo Sr507 and Audioquest prepared type 4 15g w/bananas.
Hopefully I'll get the new center hooked up today.

i have a 350 center and it is very good for a center. Glad i didn't go with the 250. I have also 162's for fronts and 152's for sides and rears for a 7.1. I am wondering about changing the 162's to 362's as well. Has anyone heard of using centers for fronts, like the bets 360 in a vertical position?

Thanks,
Rob

i have a 350 center and it is very good for a center. Glad i didn't go with the 250. I have also 162's for fronts and 152's for sides and rears for a 7.1. I am wondering about changing the 162's to 362's as well. Has anyone heard of using centers for fronts, like the bets 360 in a vertical position?

Thanks,
Rob

Rob, I just responded to your Q on the Beta Owner's thread. In short, the center channel speakers are designed specifically for horizontal, not vertical placement. Not good to use them as towers (just as you should lay a tower/bookshelf on its side as a center). For one thing, the centers have waveguides on the tweeters that are going to directing sound on the wrong axis.

Thank you for your reply. I guess what i am trying to do is get more speaker for the 2 fronts. So, i think maybe the p362s or do you have a suggestion? I like what i have heard and read about the beta line of speakers. I am definitely sold on infinity regardless.

Thank you for your reply. I guess what i am trying to do is get more speaker for the 2 fronts. So, i think maybe the p362s or do you have a suggestion? I like what i have heard and read about the beta line of speakers. I am definitely sold on infinity regardless.

Well, if you gotta have towers, the P362s would be the budget choice, as Beta 50s are really hard to find (available only on the used market) and the sellers must know they are in short supply.
If you can afford it, the next logical move would be the entry level Revel Concerta F12 towers, http://www.revelspeakers.com/products/product.asp?product=19. They pop up used on Audiogon from time to time if you want to try and save a little. Though, I found my local dealer to be very reasonable on price. Anyway, it's the same family of speaker as far as design and engineering, just better. I haven't heard a mixed system like this, but I can't imagine there would be an issue with these towers and the Beta center you already have.

Thanks, the Concerta F12's look great and i am sure they sound great, but a little beyond my budget. I definitely will do more research on them. My wife has already is struggling with the size of speakers i now have and the large amount of money spent on them. I will also have to check in the beta 50's as well.

thanks again for your input,
Rob

Thanks, the Concerta F12's look great and i am sure they sound great, but a little beyond my budget. I definitely will do more research on them. My wife has already is struggling with the size of speakers i now have and the large amount of money spent on them. I will also have to check in the beta 50's as well.

thanks again for your input,
Rob

Rob, get yourself some P362's (or 360's) and be happy knowing you're getting an extraordinary audio bargain. I have 140's, 150's, 160's and 360's, and the 360's are the best of the bunch. If you look at some of my other posts on this thread you'll see that Harman engineers have acknowledged that this speaker (the 360/362) is an extreme overachiever. Most hifi folks will admit that there is little correlation between price and performance, but few if any people are able to give concrete evidence of that. Well, the Primus 360 is living proof that sometimes you can get way way more than you pay for. The whole primus line is good, but that speaker had more time and attention lavished on it, and it just came out right.

I, like you, was worried about how large the speakers are, but the P360 is just the right size to be neutral in a room. To me, they just melted into the room and I didn't see them any more, and my wife was ok with them.

But to answer your question, I think you are right on in thinking that the P362 would be an upgrade for the P160. Also, FWIW, I found the P360's dead easy to place and enjoy. They didn't require any positioning magic in order to get them to sound good.

In case you're wondering why I'm referring to them in the past tense, I came across a pair of Revel F32's for $1500, so I jumped on them. I had heard several other speakers (including Beta's and Interludes) and didn't find them compelling enough to make me get rid of the P360's, but when I had a chance to get the F32's, I took the chance and got em. I do prefer the Revels (surprise surprise) but listening to them make me respect the Primus 360 all the more.

Rob, get yourself some P362's (or 360's) and be happy knowing you're getting an extraordinary audio bargain. I have 140's, 150's, 160's and 360's, and the 360's are the best of the bunch. If you look at some of my other posts on this thread you'll see that Harman engineers have acknowledged that this speaker (the 360/362) is an extreme overachiever. Most hifi folks will admit that there is little correlation between price and performance, but few if any people are able to give concrete evidence of that. Well, the Primus 360 is living proof that sometimes you can get way way more than you pay for. The whole primus line is good, but that speaker had more time and attention lavished on it, and it just came out right.

I, like you, was worried about how large the speakers are, but the P360 is just the right size to be neutral in a room. To me, they just melted into the room and I didn't see them any more, and my wife was ok with them.

But to answer your question, I think you are right on in thinking that the P362 would be an upgrade for the P160. Also, FWIW, I found the P360's dead easy to place and enjoy. They didn't require any positioning magic in order to get them to sound good.

In case you're wondering why I'm referring to them in the past tense, I came across a pair of Revel F32's for $1500, so I jumped on them. I had heard several other speakers (including Beta's and Interludes) and didn't find them compelling enough to make me get rid of the P360's, but when I had a chance to get the F32's, I took the chance and got em. I do prefer the Revels (surprise surprise) but listening to them make me respect the Primus 360 all the more.

Great to hear your experience, Mark. Can you approximate how much of the Revel's performance the Primus give, ie, 80 percent? Not sure if it's even a fair question that ccould be answered, but I'm curious what you think, and how close the Primuses are. Quite close, I suspect.

Thanks, markwriter!!! I have also heard extriordinary reviews on all the 360's and 362's performances. And I believe that you are right about them. I have for the front the 162, (not 160) and the one review totally sold me on them. This particular person actually tore the speaker (P162) apart piece by piece and used meters, particular styles of music for measuring everything and the results were amazing. He was blown away with quality from the packaging to the listening. I also talked to infinity myself and was convinced, (since they would made more money off me if he would have sold me on the 362's), that they would work. And....they do, but given the size of the room i see now i would be happier with the 360's or 362's. 20x24,9' ceilings and hardwoods, well, just needs bigger fronts, since they are the center stage of it all, right?

I don't understand that the 360's are cheaper than the 362's, do you know?

Again, thanks for the input.
Rob

I don't understand that the 360's are cheaper than the 362's, do you know?

Those two are essentially the same, just a little aesthetically different.

The 360's would possibly be cheaper because they're an old model already while the 362's is a current model.

The difference for me between the pc250 and pc350 was quite large, A much better soundstage, and I could hear things that I didn't hear with the pc250 when watching tv/movies. It sounded more dynamic, and the mids were way more present. It's a beast of a center, I'm glad I have the room for it.

The difference for me between the pc250 and pc350 was quite large, A much better soundstage, and I could hear things that I didn't hear with the pc250 when watching tv/movies. It sounded more dynamic, and the mids were way more present. It's a beast of a center, I'm glad I have the room for it.
Love my pc350 as well. It is a monster though. If I ever upgrade my speaker system...I'll have to sell the center and my Sanus stand together as it's wedged in there pretty tight, lol.

Hey guys, long time reader, first time posting... I too am on the lookout for the Fry's deal. I was there this past weekend and mentioned to a sales guy how they haven't had a sale on them in months, and he mentioned he couldn't confirm any def 'sales' but to be on the lookout over father's day and then july 4th, as they were 'overstocked' with them. I am getting them to match up with my BetaC360..

edit: This was at Burbank Location, California.

Hey guys, long time reader, first time posting... I too am on the lookout for the Fry's deal. I was there this past weekend and mentioned to a sales guy how they haven't had a sale on them in months, and he mentioned he couldn't confirm any def 'sales' but to be on the lookout over father's day and then july 4th, as they were 'overstocked' with them. I am getting them to match up with my BetaC360..

edit: This was at Burbank Location, California.

good to hear, i hope they go on sale.

$100 a piece for 362's- can't go wrong! Primus is just rediculous for what you get for the money.

My setup

Primus theater pack I - $150- Compusa clearout in like 06'
PS10 - $100 floor model at Compusa i picked up same time of the theater pack. i don't think they ever had it hooked up
P362' s - 100/each last year at Fry's

Right now rocking 5.1 on a yamaha till i throw down on a 7 channel worthy of powering the babies!!!

auditioned a onkyo 606 last year from Circuit City when, you know, they were in business. Had a little party, left for a bit with my friend and came back, one of my roommates (who no longer lives with me lol) had the receiver completely maxed playing rap or techno music or something. i was impressed with the primus and even more with the onkyo because it sounded pretty clean, especially becasue i was messing with settings and stuff the day of and had it set to double bass (aka the 362's running full range)! i then told him not to mess with my stuff, i can understand why he has blown 2 different subs in his car

I actually paid about $70 ea. for the P362 @ Harman's eBay auction, about $105 for the SW210, $35 for the DVD37, and $150 for the HK3485.

I saw an HK3385 sell for like $67 the other day, I've seen a ton of Beta 20 sell for less than $25 ea., same for the P152.

I am certain that Harman sells NEW items on it's auction sight, how & why they can do it at the prices they do it, is beyond me.

Crutchfield has all Primus speakers on sale. Sale runs to 9/19. $200 for the 362's. Looks like B&H also has them on sale. About the same price, but not the $99 that people say Fry's drops them to.

I have the 360's, C25 center and 160 rears. Thinking of getting the PC350, but not sure if it is worth the money ($200). Basically the same specs, but 2 mids and about 7 inches wider. Different color scheme too, I prefer the black.

No sale this weekend,I called Fry's yesterday and today and the p362's are at $299.99 each.Hopefully for the fourth of July they will go on sale.

Hey Exerciseguy..... Were ur 362's as good as new???? I have noticed that they are 'Factory rebuilt' models. I was wondering if they are and that you are happy with them. I am purchasing them for my fronts as well. I will be selling 2 of my new p162's, since i need more power up front with the 350 center. It does seems to drown them out. I am still adjusting with the onkyo 806, hopefully to get them balanced with the 350, but for now i am getting the 362's for the fronts unless i get smarter in the adjustments with the new onkyo's settings. I have 152's for the backs and they are ok.

thanks for your input
Rob

The Primus 362B's are on sale for $99 ea at Fry's here in Austin this weekend.

Yes they are on sale in Austin, however, they don't ship...He did say that he had 20 on hand and that the internet sales are different than retail and they do go on sale as well alternating with the retail stores. I ordered one, but need another, but may have to sell the 2 Primus P162's that i have. The one speaker made a huge difference in the center stage, so i highly recommend the 362's especially with the P350 center.

We would love to have a Fry's in Richmond!!! :D

Yes they are on sale in Austin, however, they don't ship...He did say that he had 20 on hand and that the internet sales are different than retail and they do go on sale as well alternating with the retail stores. I ordered one, but need another, but may have to sell the 2 Primus P162's that i have. The one speaker made a huge difference in the center stage, so i highly recommend the 362's especially with the P350 center.

We would love to have a Fry's in Richmond!!! :D

Keep your 162's. I'll trade you my PC250 for your PC350. That way my P362's will have a center that matches, and your 162's will have a center that matches. :D

Don' think so....you wish!!!!:eek: The 350 is the BOMB!!!! hear it more than any other speaker. I do need a 362 though and will soon have another. Watch the internet and save your pennies and you will find a 350 reasonably priced, then sell your 250 on craigslist and rock on!!!:rolleyes:

Then get an onkyo 806 or higher with a samsung bluray netflix/pandora all HDMI 1.3 and you are cookin with gas!!!

Of course I don't claim to be an 'Audio or Video Aficiaonado King Daddy audiophile, but I am getting there. My wife would think so, though.;)

Rob

Oh, I forgot 50" Samsung 1080p Plazma!!! (I am getting obnoxious, sorry)!

Yes they are on sale in Austin, however, they don't ship...He did say that he had 20 on hand and that the internet sales are different than retail and they do go on sale as well alternating with the retail stores. I ordered one, but need another, but may have to sell the 2 Primus P162's that i have. The one speaker made a huge difference in the center stage, so i highly recommend the 362's especially with the P350 center.

We would love to have a Fry's in Richmond!!! :D

Fry’s in San Diego has those for $99/each but I was told that they were all returned items in open boxes. Please call before you make a trip to your local B&M stores.

Then get an onkyo 806 or higher with a samsung bluray netflix/pandora all HDMI 1.3 and you are cookin with gas!!!

Of course I don't claim to be an 'Audio or Video Aficiaonado King Daddy audiophile, but I am getting there. My wife would think so, though.;)

Rob

Oh, I forgot 50" Samsung 1080p Plazma!!! (I am getting obnoxious, sorry)!

Yes... as I can think of a quite a few AVR's I'd aspire to over the Onkyo 806--although that is a fine receiver. And for plasmas, I think I would rather have a Panny or a Pioneer--sorry.

No worries--enjoy your PC350--I'll get one eventually.

Fry's here in Houston has them for 129.99 till the 2nd of July.I just got back from picking mine up all i need to do now is unpack em and hook em up.thats completes my surround sound (except i need new subs).

1-pc350
2-p152's
2-p362's

Im gonna watch Terminator 2 on BD to see how everything sounds.

Fry’s in San Diego has those for $99/each but I was told that they were all returned items in open boxes. Please call before you make a trip to your local B&M stores.

Who told you that? I saw the $99ea ad today and am all pumped about it and ready to go tomorrow.

I can confirm that los angeles area fry's has *new* 362's for 99/ea ..198 a pair. - picked mine up yesterday in burbank :)

I can confirm that los angeles area fry's has *new* 362's for 99 a pair - picked mine up yesterday in burbank :)

Wow! That's a great deal for a great loudspeaker.

$99 each or $99 a pair? I've NEVER seen them for $99/pr.

Who told you that? I saw the $99ea ad today and am all pumped about it and ready to go tomorrow.

It was one of the salesmen in the Home Audio dept who informed me over the phone that those in stock were returned and in open boxes. I called again this morning (6/27) and was told they were all sold out (the SD store). I am not sure about the San Marcos location.

Hey guys, try ebay, i just got my two both for $263 delivered, one is still on the way straight from Harmon audio. They are, of course, refurbs and the people at Harmon Audio are fantastic to work with. The first one was just like new. Sounds great and but needs breaking in. I can tell that is necessary, since my P350 is much better sounding since I have had now it for 3 months. Of course the Fry's the people said that the online sales are different than the stores. But, they do have the Primuses on sale for 99.00 too. And a lot of us don't live the vacinity of the stores.

Good luck

Who told you that? I saw the $99ea ad today and am all pumped about it and ready to go tomorrow.

I picked mine up this weekend! I have 2 Fry's stores near me and one only had floor demos left, while the other had 1 pair in box. :D

Sounds great and but needs breaking in.


FYI, no, the don't need breakin. That's a myth!

hey guys. questions for you primus 362 tower owners. what cutoff frequency do you put these things at (60,70,80,...) ? this is assuming you have a powered sub with them to fill in the lows. i'd like to playem low as possible for a more unified soundstage without putting too much stress on them.

Wow, after seeing some of these prices for the Primus 362 ($99/speaker), I'm amazed the best price I've found is $199/speaker. Should I wait for another sale?

hey guys. questions for you primus 362 tower owners. what cutoff frequency do you put these things at (60,70,80,...) ? this is assuming you have a powered sub with them to fill in the lows. i'd like to playem low as possible for a more unified soundstage without putting too much stress on them.

I use 80 because the PC350 starts rolling off at 80 according to specs.

Does anyone know of any speaker stands or wall mounts that would work well with the P162?

I am having a really tough time finding stands (or substitutes for stands) that would be high and sturdy enough to accomidate the 162s. I would prefer to have their tweeters positioned roughly 1 foot above ear level....maybe more (ear level at my listening position will be around 4 feet +/- a few inches). If I wanted to use stands, I would probably need something around 50 inches high, and even if I could find something in that size, there's no telling if the top plate would be large/sturdy enough to hold the P162.

Which leaves me with any possible wall mounting options? I know the P152 is designed to be wall mounted, but the 162 is not. Wall mounting would be a better option, but I am not sure if it is even possible.

Also, does anyone know of a good speaker stand that can hold the 49 lb. weight of the P362? If I read the specs right, they are 39" tall, with the tweeter considerably lower than that. If I just place them on my carpet as is, they would be well below ear level.

Does anyone know of any speaker stands or wall mounts that would work well with the P162?


I use 37-inch ones I got locally here in the Philippines for $80 (used). The speaker is secured to the top plate via Blu-tac putty.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2766/infinityp162onstand.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=infinityp162onstand.jpg)

Yours seems to be a very different case though. Most of the time speaker stands go up to only 36-inches.

www.racksandstands.com
www.standsandmounts.com

Those two would be good places to look.

Wow, after seeing some of these prices for the Primus 362 ($99/speaker), I'm amazed the best price I've found is $199/speaker. Should I wait for another sale?

PM me if you'd like some Primus 360's (and/or 150's, 140's, 160's) in excellent condition in Phoenix. I have some Revel F32's and my wife somehow thinks I don't need to keep the 360's around 'just in case'. :)

Markwriter, thanks for the input. Sorry, but every where i have read says breaking in makes a noticible difference. I could be wrong, but the P350 sounds better than 3 months ago when i got it. May be just the type of music i am listening to or different music formats. Nevertheless it is still fantastic.

I finally getting the other 362 today and am anxious to set it up. The other 362 i have been using with the 162. I can really hear a difference between the two.... Duh!!!!. the question i have for anyone who has knowledge is....that i have been looking for 2 good comp speakers and have decided to keep the 162's instead or at least try them with the computer (I have been researching them all). Can you or anyone tell me a cheap amplifier/receiver that would work hooked up to my new HD computer. I am not particular whether it it either 2, 5.1 or 7.1 channels. I had a 5.1 system, but the wiring in the office was a problem. The video/audio card is hdmi.I would prefer hdmi connections. I was looking at a refurb at Harmon audio on ebay. What would be a good wattage to drive the 2 162's?

And....good luck guys on your 362's As Markwriter said that they are obviously (and still are, I might ad) ...."An extraordinary audio bargain" and in comparison with high end speakers made him respect them more. I agree with him wholeheartedlly!!!! After all the Primus line is considered high end entry level speakers.

Suggestions needed,

Thanks for your input!! Rob

Hurry up, order and ENJOY :)

direct link for you guys: http://www.frys.com/product/5223687?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

this is really tempting. i have 2 up front already but 2 in the back would be awesome! not in the budget right now, but for anyone who has been on the fence this is the green light!!

How come I am allowed to order only 1 ? (It says "Comes in eaches" ) :)

Interesting - "Limit 1 per Household." That's very odd. Not that I really need to upgrade my 250s to 362s, but hey, for that price it's hard to pass up.

I tried to get another pairs of 362 for $99/speaker at Fry's Austin, but they sold out.
I spent sometimes to listen to the 363 demo pairs that were driven by a Yamaha receiver (not remember the model of the receiver) and Polk RTi A1 and some high-end Polk LSi driven by Onkyo 706. What I found is that the Polk RTi A1s sound more weight and bass than the 362B. The Polks were set up with a sub, but I listened with the sub off. The 362s sound clear, but on the lean side. For movie, they definitely lack punch. Here are my questions and hope you guys can help.
1-Do the A1s sound better because of the receivers (The Onkyo is $100 more than the Yamaha)? I know that the amplifier effects the sound, but is it it that much, esp 362s are supposed very easy to drive
2-Do the A1s sound better because of the sub setup?

BTW, I have a pair of 362s driven by the Harmon Kardon HK1400. They sound clean, but also lean to my taste. I prefer to A1s for the weigh of the sound. Any comments.

Thanks,

Liem

Fry's.com has now changed it and is allowing 2 per household. The sale is listed as running June 30-July 3. If you are planning on buying an even number of speakers, I would recommend buying them separately.....when I checked the shipping for 1 362 to my zip code, it was only like $19 - but when I put 2 together the shipping jumped to about $92. Of course, I live all the way in NC, so YMMV.

Whatever you guys do, DO IT NOW!!!! I just finished setting up the last 362 and what power and sound. Just watched a little of 'Valkryie' and WOW!!! I upgraded from 162 to 362 for 2 fronts and well....the difference is simply amazing. I know with a few more adjustments, I can get the sound down to the way I like it. For now they are set up at 80Hz (THX). So, please get them at Fry's before they are sold out. I wish that I could of got them there when I wanted. Since I don't live anywhere near one of their stores, I would have to order online anyway. I have been checking for months for a sale and, of course, now they do it. Oh well, I am satisfied with the price i paid for just a few dollars more than Fry's.

Good luck and MOST HAPPY LISTENING!!!

Interesting - "Limit 1 per Household." That's very odd. Not that I really need to upgrade my 250s to 362s, but hey, for that price it's hard to pass up.

Are you going to get them? I would encourage you to do so because the all-around performance of the P362's is an upgrade from that of the p250. It's not just b/c it's the biggest, it just has the best performance. I think you'll be happy with the switch. Not that the 250's are bad, though.

hey guys. questions for you primus 362 tower owners. what cutoff frequency do you put these things at (60,70,80,...) ? this is assuming you have a powered sub with them to fill in the lows. i'd like to playem low as possible for a more unified soundstage without putting too much stress on them.

I use a sub with my 362's and played around with different cutoff frequencies.
Finally, 80hz is what I decided on.
60hz and 40hz created a fuller sound but also added the annoying 'Resonance'
which is more than likely caused by inadequate internal speaker bracing.

I think my towers are cut off at 80hz as well. I currently have the 362's and 350 center up front, 2 of the 152's serving surround sound duty, and a eD a3-300 sub for the low end. I have been very pleased with the set up for a while.

i wish you could buy more than 2.

i'd hate to buy p162's for the same price when i could have 4 or 6 p352's

I picked up two P362 towers, but I'm having some trouble with them. They sound great for most things so far, but at certain frequencies the tweeters sound harsh and almost buzzy (they sound perfect most of the time). You notice it the most with male voices. Both towers are doing this (I tested them together and independently) and it makes watching television a very unpleasant experience.

I'm guessing since both towers have the same issue, it isn't a defective tweeter, but more likely my equipment. I'm running them off a Kenwood VRS-7100, which may be a bit anemic for these towers? Any thoughts/ideas? Thanks!

Just to update my previous post: I upgraded to an Onkyo 606 and they still sounded terrible so I contacted HK's support, and after one replacement tweeter and two replacement 6.5" woofers, I have working speakers :D

I need to try and get them dialed in though, with stock settings on my 606, I think my Beta 20's sound a lot better.

Edit: Forgot to mention, thank you to everyone who gave me suggestions earlier! I hate calling support unless I've covered all my bases.

I think my towers are cut off at 80hz as well. I currently have the 362's and 350 center up front, 2 of the 152's serving surround sound duty, and a eD a3-300 sub for the low end. I have been very pleased with the set up for a while.

Cross at 80 if you have a sub. That's what's recommended. The P362 will go down to 40, but a sub will do those frequencies so much better.

I just ordered a pair of the p362s from fry's the price was just too good to pass up and I've been wanting to replace my front L/R speakers with towers for a while, now I guess I need to grab a new center channel, is the PC350 pretty much the way to go?

I just ordered a pair of the p362s from fry's the price was just too good to pass up and I've been wanting to replace my front L/R speakers with towers for a while, now I guess I need to grab a new center channel, is the PC350 pretty much the way to go?

Yes with the p362s the 350 is the only true primus match for these towers. Since I switched from the P162 fronts with these they are more balanced with each other.

Does anyone know why they're sold at such drastic discounts? I find it really odd that you have a product that sells for over $500 a pair and then it's periodically sold for $200 a pair, and it's not even a clearance sale. Most product prices don't vary that much. What's going on? Does Fry's periodically sell them for no profit, and if so, aren't there Minimum Advertised Price polices like other companies have?

Is it possible they cheapened the speakers when they switched to the 362 version? I find it really strange for one speaker to go from one price class to another entirely. Is it really possible to sell a quality tower speaker for $100?

Looking at the first 3 Google hits, Amazon has them for $123 apiece from EE and actually Crutchfield and Vanns have them discontinued. They used to sell them for $300 each. Maybe these are clearance sales? They're still on the Infinity site. Forgive me, I've been away from this thread for some time. Maybe the towers didn't sell so they're going to the bookshelves only? Or, another cosmetic change?

Does anyone know why they're sold at such drastic discounts? I find it really odd that you have a product that sells for over $500 a pair and then it's periodically sold for $200 a pair, and it's not even a clearance sale. Most product prices don't vary that much. What's going on? Does Fry's periodically sell them for no profit, and if so, aren't there Minimum Advertised Price polices like other companies have?

Is it possible they cheapened the speakers when they switched to the 362 version? I find it really strange for one speaker to go from one price class to another entirely. Is it really possible to sell a quality tower speaker for $100?

Looking at the first 3 Google hits, Amazon has them for $123 apiece from EE and actually Crutchfield and Vanns have them discontinued. They used to sell them for $300 each. Maybe these are clearance sales? They're still on the Infinity site. Forgive me, I've been away from this thread for some time. Maybe the towers didn't sell so they're going to the bookshelves only? Or, another cosmetic change?

Even though I'm thrilled people are able to get this speaker for such a great price, it is a little unsettling when such a fantastic speaker is sold for so little. It does make you wonder. However, when I visited Harman, I was able to ask the actual engineer that designed them what happens to their quality over time. He said they regularly get samples in and test their SQ in the same lab (anechoic chambers, etc.) in which they originally developed them in order to ensure that the SQ stays the same.

Also, I asked him about the 362, and the specific answer is that they are identical to the 360 except that the surround material is slightly different b/c it is a different color than the black surround of the 360. He said the lighter color surround of the 362 is ever so slightly superior to that of the 360.

One way to look at why the 362 is so cheap is that they are closing it out for some reason. I'm not certain about that, but it appears to be discounted all over the place.

Also, the R&D on this speaker was done years ago and they've been efficiently cranking them out for years, and I'm sure they're able to make them incredibly cheaply. Here again is the advantage of a large company when that large company has the proper goals: they're able to apply world-class engineering, R&D and efficient manufacturing to a product that is extremely affordable, which becomes moreso over time. Here is an article about Harman (http://www.soundstage.com/yfiles/yfiles200104.htm) from Soundstage which says essentially the same thing. A big company focused on the proper goals (i.e., unlike Bose) derives a lot of value.

markwriter, do you mind if I ask what your connection to Harman is? You write a lot about them and you've spoken to them. Are you an employee, an audio journalist, dealer or something?

Hurry up, order and ENJOY :)

Must have missed it. Don't see them. Ugh...

... the question i have for anyone who has knowledge is....that i have been looking for 2 good comp speakers and have decided to keep the 162's instead or at least try them with the computer (I have been researching them all). Can you or anyone tell me a cheap amplifier/receiver that would work hooked up to my new HD computer. I am not particular whether it it either 2, 5.1 or 7.1 channels. I had a 5.1 system, but the wiring in the office was a problem. The video/audio card is hdmi.I would prefer hdmi connections. I was looking at a refurb at Harmon audio on ebay. What would be a good wattage to drive the 2 162's?...
Suggestions needed,
Rob

Does your AV card also have standard RCA plugs for audio output? There are lots of refurbed stereo receivers at ecost.com and accessories4less.com that may or may not have HDMI. I've bought a couple Onkyos at the latter site. The price is right, they look like new, and I've had no problems at all. I think 30-50wpc would be sufficient since you will be listening to the speakers nearfield.

Does your AV card also have standard RCA plugs for audio output? There are lots of refurbed stereo receivers at ecost.com and accessories4less.com that may or may not have HDMI. I've bought a couple Onkyos at the latter site. The price is right, they look like new, and I've had no problems at all. I think 30-50wpc would be sufficient since you will be listening to the speakers nearfield.

The video card on the puter has hdmi out and RCA, and i was hoping to eventionally have Hd throughout. Yeah, the speakers, left and right are 3' away.

I also purchased an onkyo 806 from acc4less and is perfect. Onkyo webstore was 100.00 more for a recertified unit. The lady said go for it. I am very pleased with it. I have been looking over the web and found several units, (believe me i know them). My question is hooking the the speakers, avr from the puter, do you see a problem? I have read of several issues with this, but i can see that there might be, because configuration and hookups can be a nightmaire! I have owned 3 onkyos (all onkyo perfectly recertified) and had to call Tech support for a clearer definition of the settings, like the listening modes assignment, too confusing, there are 5 pages in my book of the 806.

I am also looking at Harmon Audio on ebay (where i got my 362's), they have several receivers and support gave me a few models that might work. I think it would be wise to go a few bucks more and get 7.1 (like the 806), then i will have a replacement. I really don't know exactly what I am going to do with my HD puter in the future, but I want to keep ahead with technology, like I said earlier in the thread....(my wife said).....BIGGER!!! BETTER!!! FASTER!!! (who made shoot me before this over)!!!

And....markwriter, you are right on about the 362s and I don't understand the lower pricing either, except that they might be phasing them out. Maybe we could draft a Harmon audio rep to comment!!!:o I would suggest that everyone, (if they can afford them) to do it now while they last. They will be like the Betas or the 360s....a lot of people are trying to get ahold of some. It may be that way with the 362s. Since I started my research they kept coming up and everything was positive, well almost. The buzz was pretty loud all over the internet and all of us are still trying to grab them 'em up.

My question is hooking the the speakers, avr from the puter, do you see a problem? I have read of several issues with this, but i can see that there might be, because configuration and hookups can be a nightmare!


I use an Onkyo TX-8222 stereo receiver powering Original Large Advents from 1972 as my computer setup. I can't see why you would want 5.1-7.1 unless you're a big gamer and need the surround sound capabilities. For me the speakers are only for downloaded FLAC music stored on the external hard drive. I just use standard RCA cables from the computer to the CD input on the receiver. No complaints here. Serious listeners recommend upgrading the audio card, but I haven't done that. Hookup should be as simple as setting up a 70s era stereo.

You have lots of options. Only your needs and your wallet will ultimately determine your choice.

Apologies to all for the off-topic discussion. I would be drawn and quartered if I drove to Fry's today (or any day) to get some 362s since there are already (Infinity) Interlude IL60s, Compositions Overture 3s, P142s, and Alpha 20s in the house. But as an aside. Anyone think speaker design/pricing has improved so much that I would be better served to sell what I have, buy 3 pairs of 362s and pocket the difference?

markwriter, do you mind if I ask what your connection to Harman is? You write a lot about them and you've spoken to them. Are you an employee, an audio journalist, dealer or something?

I'm a pest. Actually, I got bitten by the hifi bug 25 years ago and have been chasing all the standard hifi red herrings for so long that when I finally read the white papers on the Infinity site, I thought, "maybe these waveguide thingymabobs could help. This Toole guy seems pretty smart." I bought some P360's b/c the white papers increased my interest in Infinity, as well as some posts on this website by plhart, a former Harman speaker engineer. Those $300 P360's displaced some $1500 monitor audio RS8's, and, well, I was definitely intrigued. I read everything I could online, and it turns out the Harman people are articulate and informative. I also sent direct questions to plhart and eventually had the fortune to speak face to face with several of the Harman engineers. So, really, all I have done is do a lot of study of Harman's materials and have some direct questions answered. I"ve also lived the life of a hifi maven. I've bought and sold scores of speakers, amps and cd players, looking for that extra marginal bit of fidelity. This is one reason I am so vocal about the P360, is that I've experienced them myself and I've gotten it direct from the horse's mouth that, yes, they really are 'that good.' The measurements confirm my experience.

I pass these things on b/c there are so many folks out there who want to get the highest possible fidelity on a fairly restricted budget. As of this point, the Primus 360/362 is the safest bet in all of audio if you're spending less than $1000 (I'm thinking the Revel F12 would be better, but have no idea). All these companies that have a fraction of the R&D resources as well as inferior methodologies are starting WAY behind Harman. For example, Polk has big bucks behind them, but I've read in a blog that Matt Polk himself still 'signs off' on the voicing of Polks after he listens to them -- in stereo -- in a glorified conference room. Sorry, but that is a far far cry from having speakers go through double-blind tests with trained listeners having each speaker under trial moved to the exact same location by an automated speaker shuffler. No other company -- not even Paradigm -- says they have a listening regimen that includes moving each speaker to the exact same location (when they are doing DBT's). So what you get with every other company on earth is a speaker that has been subjectively evaluated in an inferior way. Maybe some companies are cranking out some decent speakers. I have no doubt that there are some decent speakers out there. But if you want a speaker that has truly gone through the gauntlet before they finished it, then you want a Harman speaker. And the P360 went through that torture test with flying colors. I still had money left over after I bought the P360's, and I tried to get even more goodness by spending more money. I got some Beta 40's and some IL40's. Both had good aspects to them but neither were head and shoulders above the P360's. I lucked into some F32's for $1500 and nervously snapped those up (oh, I also got some Intermezzo 2.6p's which are VERY good and the JBL LSR 6328p which are nearly perfect but failed WAF). The F32's are head and shoulders better than the P360's. I say somewhat sadly b/c of my soft spot for the P360, but it also taught me about diminishing returns. It takes a lot of money and a very good speaker company to checkmate the p360's.

I wish they would rank all the speakers they've made in the last 10 years and send me that list, and keep it up to date in the future. Also, I'd love to know if they have some competitors they consider especially worthy (I've no doubt Energy and Paradigm are in there somewhere). But, unfortunately, this kind of info wouldn't exactly be the best thing for outsiders to know, now would it? Oh well.

Mr. MW you are not a pest, not even close, your comments and thoughts are certainly welcome and appreciated! You helped me decide on these speakers and with all the threads, comments and opinions, it was really confusing. And you are right about it all and yes, most of us are budget minded! Are you sure you're not a Harmon spokesman???:cool: Regardless, I still believe you and, of course, hearing is believing and I heard it and believe it!!!

Thanks again...if anyone is a pest, it is I!

Sorry, I am not a Mark writer!!! My wife corrects my english constantly. I am an creative artist detailed and wordy.

Apologies to all for the off-topic discussion. I would be drawn and quartered if I drove to Fry's today (or any day) to get some 362s since there are already (Infinity) Interlude IL60s, Compositions Overture 3s, P142s, and Alpha 20s in the house. But as an aside. Anyone think speaker design/pricing has improved so much that I would be better served to sell what I have, buy 3 pairs of 362s and pocket the difference?

The alpha's didn't go thru the advanced facilities in Northridge (per plhart). I think he mentioned they got spanked by the Beta's in DBT. It wasn't even close. The Interludes did go thru Northridge. The Compositions did not, I don't think. So, I'd ditch the alpha's and Overtures.

Mr. MW you are not a pest, not even close, your comments and thoughts are certainly welcome and appreciated! You helped me decide on these speakers and with all the threads, comments and opinions, it was really confusing. And you are right about it all and yes, most of us are budget minded! Are you sure you're not a Harmon spokesman???:cool: Regardless, I still believe you and, of course, hearing is believing and I heard it and believe it!!!

Thanks again...if anyone is a pest, it is I!

Sorry, I am not a Mark writer!!! My wife corrects my english constantly. I am an creative artist detailed and wordy.

Thanks, I feel a little strange, being so vocal and insistent about it, but I have so much empathy for people who want hi fi but are being told they can't afford it b/c they need expensive amps, cables, sources and speakers. Speakers should take the lion's share of the hifi budget, but even in that case you have to spend wisely. I bought speakers for all the wrong reasons (they're British, they have xyz material drivers, they're monitors, they're 3-ways, they're this, they're that) while being pretty ignorant of development methodology. It's fine if other people want to buy speakers from companies that 'try their best', but you know what Sean Connery said about that in The Untouchables.

The alpha's didn't go thru the advanced facilities in Northridge (per plhart). I think he mentioned they got spanked by the Beta's in DBT. It wasn't even close. The Interludes did go thru Northridge. The Compositions did not, I don't think. So, I'd ditch the alpha's and Overtures.

Except that aside from the Intermezzo 4.1t the Overture 3 is the best looking tower that Infinity/Harman ever made, with real cherry veneer and those shiny silvery-gray polypropylene drivers. A nice quandary, to be sure.

Greg

Well that's just great. Fry's is no longer selling the 362 for $99 apiece....it's back up to $299. Not only that, but they are no longer available for shipping. Even though their site said the sale was supposed to be through July 3, it ended up only lasting for 1 day.

Except that aside from the Intermezzo 4.1t the Overture 3 is the best looking tower that Infinity/Harman ever made, with real cherry veneer and those shiny silvery-gray polypropylene drivers. A nice quandary, to be sure.

Greg

How dare you bring aesthetics into this. :)

I wish the guys who did Castle's veneering could do their magic on the Primus series.

I use an Onkyo TX-8222 stereo receiver powering Original Large Advents from 1972 as my computer setup. I can't see why you would want 5.1-7.1 unless you're a big gamer and need the surround sound capabilities. For me the speakers are only for downloaded FLAC music stored on the external hard drive. I just use standard RCA cables from the computer to the CD input on the receiver. No complaints here. Serious listeners recommend upgrading the audio card, but I haven't done that. Hookup should be as simple as setting up a 70s era stereo.

You have lots of options. Only your needs and your wallet will ultimately determine your choice.

Apologies to all for the off-topic discussion. I would be drawn and quartered if I drove to Fry's today (or any day) to get some 362s since there are already (Infinity) Interlude IL60s, Compositions Overture 3s, P142s, and Alpha 20s in the house. But as an aside. Anyone think speaker design/pricing has improved so much that I would be better served to sell what I have, buy 3 pairs of 362s and pocket the difference?

Thanks Greg, you're right i only need a stereo receiver, but I was thinking of a back up for my onkyo 7.1 in case there is a problem. I know that means more money and I always over spend, but i will have to bite the bullet. My video card, as I mentioned before, is HD with an HDMI port, so I would like to hook it up that way, if possible. I am looking at a HK AVR 254 to drive the two 162's and possibly adding a sub later on. Who knows maybe a 5.1 later. with this receiver I will be ready to do pretty much to adding speakers, setting up another home theater....Yeah!!!! the sky is the limit!

Just curious, did anyone get the 362's shipped from Fry's online before they pulled the plug on $99ea?

I haven't hooked up my 362's that I got from Frys in-store @ $99 yet, but can't wait to match them with my PC350 and move my old P250's (current fronts) to surround.

Just curious, did anyone get the 362's shipped from Fry's online before they pulled the plug on $99ea?

Actually I jumped on it fairly quickly as soon as I saw them and got them online and they shipped that day (think July 1st in the afternoon was my order time), they're supposed to be delivered today based on the tracking, cannot wait to set them up and see what they sound like.

Actually I jumped on it fairly quickly as soon as I saw them and got them online and they shipped that day (think July 1st in the afternoon was my order time), they're supposed to be delivered today based on the tracking, cannot wait to set them up and see what they sound like.

I'm getting kinda misty thinking of all these P362's going to good homes.

I'm getting kinda misty thinking of all these P362's going to good homes.

You are too funny, man!!!If you still have yours you can just switch out your Revels with the primuses and reminisce!!!

I am having a problem with my 806. i am thinking about using it in another room and getting H/K 254 to drive the primuses. what do you think? Am I totally insane.I am feeling a little sick to my stomach:eek:

You are too funny, man!!!If you still have yours you can just switch out your Revels with the primuses and reminisce!!!

I am having a problem with my 806. i am thinking about using it in another room and getting H/K 254 to drive the primuses. what do you think? Am I totally insane.I am feeling a little sick to my stomach:eek:
The upgraditis bug can only be cured by aquiring more audio gear.

The upgraditis bug can only be cured by aquiring more audio gear.

Strangely, the F32's have ended my upgradeitis. I am curious about what some other speakers sound like, but I don't feel driven to upgrade anymore.

For those of you looking for Infinity surrounds, Fry's has the 6.5" in-ceiling Infinity ERS110's on sale this weekend for $129 ea. Of course, the refurbs at the Harman E-bay store are much, much cheaper.

I use a sub with my 362's and played around with different cutoff frequencies.
Finally, 80hz is what I decided on.
60hz and 40hz created a fuller sound but also added the annoying 'Resonance'
which is more than likely caused by inadequate internal speaker bracing.


I, too, opt for 80hz cutoff.

On a related note and please pardon my ignorance, what is "resonance" in speakers and how do you listen for/detect it ?

Many thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge.

A happy 362 owner in So Cal :)

The upgraditis bug can only be cured by aquiring more audio gear.

True, yes, but this would not be an upgrade, just a switch off. I need another receiver to use with the puter, doubling as a substitute just in case the older one has an issue, visa versa. Sounds like the 'upgraditis bug' to me, doesn't it? Do you or anyone know whether this H/K254 will drive the primus line like or similar to the 806?

Hi all,

I'm in the middle of creating a system (so far, have bought a Harmon Karden 254 AVR and an Energy 10' subwoofer), and thought I should check in here.

At this point, I'm looking most seriously at a Jamo package from World Wide Stereo:

(1) pair of E 660 towers and a center for $270 (http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/store/Speakers/33/144789/9_1_-1_103__0_0_0_-1/), with a plan to get 2 bookshelf speakers down the road, or

(2) 2 pair of E 660 towers and a center for $380 (http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/store/Speakers/33/144761/9_1_-1_103__0_0_0_-1/)

Before I opt for either one, I thought I should ask here whether there is a comparable or better deal involving Infinity (or, for that matter, any other brand).\

edit: The reason I'm considering the first option over the second is because I haven't yet decided whether my room is suitable for 4 tower speakers.

Hi all,

I'm in the middle of creating a system (so far, have bought a Harmon Karden 254 AVR and an Energy 10' subwoofer), and thought I should check in here.

At this point, I'm looking most seriously at a Jamo package from World Wide Stereo:

(1) pair of E 660 towers and a center for $270 (http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/store/Speakers/33/144789/9_1_-1_103__0_0_0_-1/), with a plan to get 2 bookshelf speakers down the road, or

(2) 2 pair of E 660 towers and a center for $380 (http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/store/Speakers/33/144761/9_1_-1_103__0_0_0_-1/)

Before I opt for either one, I thought I should ask here whether there is a comparable or better deal involving Infinity (or, for that matter, any other brand).\

edit: The reason I'm considering the first option over the second is because I haven't yet decided whether my room is suitable for 4 tower speakers.

Hey, I'm super busy so I don't have time to tell you much more than scan backward in this thread for my posts -- the P362 (aka P360) is a remarkable speaker from one of the world's most sophisticated speaker manufacturers. Nearly every review of an Infinity or Revel product mentions their unequalled R&D resources. They have a development process that is second to none, and the P360/62 in particular did very well in that process. I go into more detail in other posts in this thread. They are decent looking speakers, but the performance is difficult to match without spending $1k a pair.

I just wanted to say, I just hooked up my pair of primus 362s over the weekend and the quality of sound and improvement compared to the bookshelves I was using is amazing. I couldn't be happier. I haven't even dropped the cash on the matching center channel yet and I'm really happy with my purchase.
As far as the user asking about the Jamo speakers, I don't know of two infinity speakers and a center for $270, but the primus 362s are more comparable to the Jamo E680s, not the E660s. I'll probably end up around $400 for 2 primus 362s and the pc350 center, and I'd and recommend it to anyone.

You're probably right that the Jamo E680 would be a better comparison to the P362. The E680 two speaker and center combo would run you $350.
http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/store/Speakers/33/144790/9_1_-1_103__0_0_0_-1/

The Infinity pc350 center is massive compared to the Jamo. It most likely a much better performer.

Ithe primus 362s are more comparable to the Jamo E680s, not the E660s. I'll probably end up around $400 for 2 primus 362s and the pc350 center, and I'd and recommend it to anyone.

Can you direct me to a couple of places with the best prices for those items?

Can you direct me to a couple of places with the best prices for those items?

http://www.electronics-expo.com/index.php?page=item&ci_src=5784816&id=INFPRIMUS362&source=pricegrabber

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108P362BG/Infinity-Primus-P362.html?tp=185

Can you direct me to a couple of places with the best prices for those items?

Yes, read markriter's comments and other incredible reviews on the Primus line. He sold me on the 362's. Originally I was considering the 252s and glad i went the biggies. I have 362, 350 (a must), 162, 152 and Ps28 sub. You may want to try Harmon audio on Ebay as well and Amazon had them for $128.00.

Happy Hunting!

I'm sure that the 362 are worthy of the praise here, but they seem to be out of my (remaining) budget. As I noted, I'm just testing the waters to see if there is a Primus model that can be had at a similar price as WorldWideStereo is offering for a pair of E 660 Jamos plus the S 60 CEN center channel ($270).

I'm sure that the 362 are worthy of the praise here, but they seem to be out of my (remaining) budget. As I noted, I'm just testing the waters to see if there is a Primus model that can be had at a similar price as WorldWideStereo is offering for a pair of E 660 Jamos plus the S 60 CEN center channel ($270).

one more place -- ebay. Harman auctions off refurbs. That's what I bought when I got my 2nd pair of P360's. Good luck!

...For example, Polk has big bucks behind them, but I've read in a blog that Matt Polk himself still 'signs off' on the voicing of Polks after he listens to them -- in stereo -- in a glorified conference room...

Have you had a chance to demo the polk monitor 50,60,70's or the Rti8's against the 362. The first 3 can be found for the price of the 362s on sale and the Rti8's retail for a decent amount more and can be found for $150 on frys sale, still more than the 362's. I just wonder if the 362s get phased out before I get a chance to snag 2 more if the Rti8's are a good replacement.

I just wonder if the 362s get phased out before I get a chance to snag 2 more if the Rti8's are a good replacement.

Sounds like your already have two P362's. If so, you probably want more Infinity speakers to pair with your current P362's so they'll all be timbre matched.

The RTi8's have been discontinued for quite some time. I bet the Infinity is more readily available than the RTi8.

I'm sure that the 362 are worthy of the praise here, but they seem to be out of my (remaining) budget. As I noted, I'm just testing the waters to see if there is a Primus model that can be had at a similar price as WorldWideStereo is offering for a pair of E 660 Jamos plus the S 60 CEN center channel ($270).

I got both of mine at harmon audio/ebay for $263 last week delivered and as some other people have mention....'How in the world do they do that!!! I completely understand that one has to stay in their budget.

Last night, I borrowed a Cambridge CD6 as my source. It was commected to my HK1400 as my intergrated amp, 362 speakers and cheap monoprice interconnect. The speakers were 8 feet apart and a little bit towed in to the listeningposition. It is a total different experience (in compare with Phillips DVD source). The vocal sounded very exeptionally real
(Without You by Mariah Carey), the guitar sounds very natural and real (Eros by Chris Spheeris).
I don't know if it is the problem of my room, I found it sounds the best for near-field listening (4 feet-5 feel from the speakers). For more than 5 feet, I hear over-emphasis bass. Now I totally agree with others: you have to spend much more to get bettet sound than the 362. At $200/ pair t is one of the best audio bargain I've ever met. Proud to be an owner.

Last night, I borrowed a Cambridge CD6 as my source. It was commected to my HK1400 as my intergrated amp, 362 speakers and cheap monoprice interconnect. The speakers were 8 feet apart and a little bit towed in to the listeningposition. It is a total different experience (in compare with Phillips DVD source). The vocal sounded very exeptionally real
(Without You by Mariah Carey), the guitar sounds very natural and real (Eros by Chris Spheeris).
I don't know if it is the problem of my room, I found it sounds the best for near-field listening (4 feet-5 feel from the speakers). For more than 5 feet, I hear over-emphasis bass. Now I totally agree with others: you have to spend much more to get bettet sound than the 362. At $200/ pair t is one of the best audio bargain I've ever met. Proud to be an owner.

Group hug! :)

Awe!!!!!

My brother-in-law is the one lent me the Cambridge Audio CD6. He has an integrated amp Sim Audio I5 , connected with the Cambridge Audio CD6 by Silver interconnects and drives Energy C8 speakers. He listened to my setup. and liked it. He liked the sound, but not the cosmetics of the speakers. He agreed that it is very hard to find $200/pari of speakers to to such a good job.

I bought the P362 to replace my front TSS-750 (satelite) speakers but I am still using the same surround speakers. Do I need to also replace the surround speakers to match the P362?

I bought the P362 to replace my front TSS-750 (satelite) speakers but I am still using the same surround speakers. Do I need to also replace the surround speakers to match the P362?

Do you think that the P362s sound better than your previous TSS-750s? We really want to know. You spent the bucks for an "upgrade" based on comments here, right? Tell us. As for the surrounds...use your old ones for a while. If you're satisfied with the overall sound integration then don't bother replacing them. Use you ears as the final judge, not just opinions on this web site. Matching the sound of the surrounds with the fronts is not nearly as critical as center channel. What are you using as a center channel speaker? That's alot more important than what surround speakers you use.

Do you think that the P362s sound better than your previous TSS-750s? We really want to know. You spent the bucks for an "upgrade" based on comments here, right? Tell us. As for the surrounds...use your old ones for a while. If you're satisfied with the overall sound integration then don't bother replacing them. Use you ears as the final judge, not just opinions on this web site. Matching the sound of the surrounds with the fronts is not nearly as critical as center channel. What are you using as a center channel speaker? That's alot more important than what surround speakers you use.

I took the day off and watched a Bourne Identity movie on my Vudu which is in HD and in Dolby Digital. I turned the volume up to about 65-70 and was very impressed with all the new sounds compared to my old speakers. I would have to say that Hands Down it was worth the upgrade. The center channel is PC350 and now I can actually hear the dialogue without having to use subtitles. :)

Just thought I'd get in here. I just picked up two p362 speakers to replace my cheap Polk R300. I got them at $99 a piece from Frys :)

I already owned the p162 that I'm using as my Stereo setup for my computer, and sooner or later those will become the rear speakers for a 5.1 setup.

I have the PC350 on order from crutchfield and will arrive on Monday to complete the setup. (replacing my Polk CSR center).

I'm pretty excited overall for the setup.

EDIT: I just realized that this is my first post though I signed up almost 2 years ago...

Just thought I'd get in here. I just picked up two p362 speakers to replace my cheap Polk R300. I got them at $99 a piece from Frys :)

I already owned the p162 that I'm using as my Stereo setup for my computer, and sooner or later those will become the rear speakers for a 5.1 setup.

I have the PC350 on order from crutchfield and will arrive on Monday to complete the setup. (replacing my Polk CSR center).

I'm pretty excited overall for the setup.

EDIT: I just realized that this is my first post though I signed up almost 2 years ago...

Congratulations!!! What you driving the 362's with (and eventually the 350)?

I did the same thing in regards using the 162's with the comp. I switched them out with 362s. That is why I trying to find out everything I can about the H/K 245 receiver to use with those 162's and the computer. I know it is an overkill, but it is actually, ha ha, a back up for my Onkyo 7.1 806 receiver. I have all infinity speakers and am so, so ,so pleased with the sound. Your fronts will be amazing....guaranteed!!! I also have a PS28 sub and 152's surrounds.

Congratulations!!! What you driving the 362's with (and eventually the 350)?

I did the same thing in regards using the 162's with the comp. I switched them out with 362s. That is why I trying to find out everything I can about the H/K 245 receiver to use with those 162's and the computer. I know it is an overkill, but it is actually, ha ha, a back up for my Onkyo 7.1 806 receiver. I have all infinity speakers and am so, so ,so pleased with the sound. Your fronts will be amazing....guaranteed!!! I also have a PS28 sub and 152's surrounds.
I have an Onkyo TX-SR574 that I picked up awhile ago from CC for $74 ;) I'm planning to replace it soon with a TX-SR607 as soon as I find a good deal or have a sleepless night where I throw down $500 while drinking hard coffee. :D

As for the P162s I have on the computer, I'm using an AudioSource AMP-100 and and older AudioSource EX-Eight/II. They sound great and I really enjoy them :)

http://kniob.net/misc/stereoequipment.jpg

will throw up pics of the HT setup when my center channel gets in.

Hi Primus people. :D I got the original Primus Theater Pack in Jan. '05 ($300 locally) because they were cheaper/larger than Klipsch Quintets, et al. while just making a 14" center width limit for placement between components on top of the old RPTV. They are the best speakers I've ever heard; they're also the only speakers I've ever heard :p (as far as formal listening). Now with an SVS PB10-NSD sub, BTW. :eek:

Anyway, I recently decided to try moving to a 6.1 system -- the ~15' back wall in this new house has a perfect spot for another speaker (2 for 7.1 would require putting them to the ceiling, one above the doorway, plus hard to do in-wall wire). I thought about this when setting things up in the new place last year, but wasn't sure if it'd be worth it, thanks to the Denon AVR-1909 manual (implies that EX mode isn't available for some signals) and my confusion with the surround mode names: EX vs PLIIx. I thought EX was old, inferior processing, until coming across some great AVS posts that made it clear that EX is PLIIx processing, technique-wise, but with a single rear channel (hence only PLIIx Cinema not being available with 6.1, of course). And I confirmed that the back speaker could/would indeed be utilized with any signal by telling the Denon I had one. :)

Hopefully not too much background there... Anyway, I'm trying to keep this "upgrade" inexpensive, so my first thought was to get another P140 for the back. Found 2 on Amazon's Marketplace for an OK price, but both places had their stock info. wrong, so no go. Since then I've been mostly watching eBay for 140/142's (not at lot around, and lowest is now $75 for one). At that price I've thought about allowing a bit more and getting a pair of 150/152's or something at a good deal to use for front L/R and moving one of Pack sats to the back. 250/252's or 360/262's would work too, heh, but I don't expect to get them "low enough." ;) (BTW, 160/162's would be too big for the current stands.)

The main question I wanted to ask is, if I get larger L/R fronts, would I need/want to upgrade the Theater Pack center, and when -- with P15x, P25x, P36x? I once saw this center referred to as a "C24," since it's like a baby C25/PC250. Or would I actually benefit from upgrading the center anyway if I got a good deal? I know the C25/PC250 has 5" vs 4" drivers and is 3db more efficient, but can't imagine that it would make a lot of difference (cabinet's only a bit bigger, etc.). Though I guess I could be a n00b about judging that way!

Thanks. :cool:

PM me if you'd like some Primus 360's (and/or 150's, 140's, 160's) in excellent condition in Phoenix. I have some Revel F32's and my wife somehow thinks I don't need to keep the 360's around 'just in case'. :)

I saw your postings about having those available back in May or so, but didn't know you'd still have them. :) I don't know how much you'd be selling those different pairs for, or if you would even ship them...?

[...] It's fine if other people want to buy speakers from companies that 'try their best', but you know what Sean Connery said about that in The Untouchables.

Hmm, I was thinking of The Rock? ;)

I have an Onkyo TX-SR574 that I picked up awhile ago from CC for $74 ;) I'm planning to replace it soon with a TX-SR607 as soon as I find a good deal or have a sleepless night where I throw down $500 while drinking hard coffee. :D

As for the P162s I have on the computer, I'm using an AudioSource AMP-100 and and older AudioSource EX-Eight/II. They sound great and I really enjoy them :)

http://kniob.net/misc/stereoequipment.jpg

will throw up pics of the HT setup when my center channel gets in.

That's a heavily guarded amp!! HA! You will truly look forward to that 607. I'll say one thing the primuses sound great with my 806, especially now that i figured out dynamicEQ. Of course that is not the only reason that sound great. Heard some good things about the H/K AVR254 check it out on ebay, good prices....Harmon audio. Might be trying one of those soon. Keep us posted on your set-up and opinion of the 362s.

That's a heavily guarded amp!! HA! You will truly look forward to that 607. I'll say one thing the primuses sound great with my 806, especially now that i figured out dynamicEQ. Of course that is not the only reason that sound great. Heard some good things about the H/K AVR254 check it out on ebay, good prices....Harmon audio. Might be trying one of those soon. Keep us posted on your set-up and opinion of the 362s.

just wanted to throw in they sound great on the onkyo 805 too! does dyanamicEQ work just by running audyssey? i know the 805 has multEQ XT, the dynamicEQ might be new to the 806.