I saw your postings about having those available back in May or so, but didn't know you'd still have them. :) I don't know how much you'd be selling those different pairs for, or if you would even ship them...?

Hmm, I was thinking of The Rock? ;)

Dang! You got me. Maybe in the Untouchables he said something about sending other people's speakers to the morgue.

I have the 360's w/o boxes so I'm reluctant to ship, so I have 150's and 160's in OEM boxes that I could ship. Please PM if interested and we can talk $$.

just wanted to throw in they sound great on the onkyo 805 too! does dyanamicEQ work just by running audyssey? i know the 805 has multEQ XT, the dynamicEQ might be new to the 806.

Audyssey is on, so I don't know if it is necessary to be on for the MultEQ/dynamicEQ to work, I just know that it does by selecting the audio button in the middle of the remote just under the up and down selector. Also it controls the bass, otimizer and center channel. i don't know why. It is very amazing, when my wife had gone to bed, i stayed up and finished an action flick and this setting made me hear everything from one speaker to another at a very low volumne and some of my 152s are 14' away. It seemed to be a soft, but a clear full sound . I would like to have had the Burr-Brown along with the Faroudja DCDi Cinema already onboard. The video upscaling makes dvds look HD and sometimes bluray. However, it is all about when they were made. You should have all of the Audyssey suite on the 805, since it was a bit more expensive than the 806. Everything i have is 1.3 HDMI connected and I am sure that helps sound and video.

Have you gotten the 362s yet? You will be T-totally blown away with using the 805. The 162s are hard to beat as well. The pro-reviews were phenomenal. You will never want to stop listening to music, especially pandora. i never listen to so much music since I was a teenager! He He!!! Movies, well we talked about that, much and I repeat much better than the normal cinemas!!
I am interested how things turn out for you, keep us posted.

You should have all of the Audyssey suite on the 805, since it was a bit more expensive than the 806. Everything i have is 1.3 HDMI connected and I am sure that helps sound and video.

Have you gotten the 362s yet? You will be T-totally blown away with using the 805. The 162s are hard to beat as well. The pro-reviews were phenomenal. You will never want to stop listening to music, especially pandora. i never listen to so much music since I was a teenager! He He!!! Movies, well we talked about that, much and I repeat much better than the normal cinemas!!
I am interested how things turn out for you, keep us posted.

I am curious what are your options on the 806 in equalizer? The only options for the 805 are Off, Manual, Audyssey. The Audyssey setting just enables multEQ XT I assume since there is no other option. Sadly, the 805 doesn't have dynamicEQ or Dynamic Volume in exchange for some beefier amps and dacs, which would be great getting the reference level experience with the 3 housemates level volumes. I am having difficulties running Audyssey at the moment as my setup is literally 50 feet from highway 44 and the ambient noise is extreme.

As for the 362's, yep I've had 2 of them since last summer and they are great. (wanting 2 more) Paired up with a Hsu VTF3 mk3 (also great!). I agree about the music listening experience, although the one downside to such a good speaker/receiver is I find something like Pandora or 128kbps mp3's leave me wanting more after listening to a few FLAC albums and hearing the clarity {:

I agree about the music listening experience, although the one downside to such a good speaker/receiver is I find something like Pandora or 128kbps mp3's leave me wanting more after listening to a few FLAC albums and hearing the clarity {:

You consider that a downside! :confused: Pandora is great for casual listening or for introducing oneself to new music. MP3s are the modern equivalent of pre-Dolby cassette tapes. Be glad that the speakers are weaning you away from lo-fi. The music world awaits. Go forth and conquer.:)

You consider that a downside! :confused:

nah i still love pandora and last.fm . i was more just making the point that on lesser systems you can't even tell they aren't super high quality but here you can. :D

I am curious what are your options on the 806 in equalizer? The only options for the 805 are Off, Manual, Audyssey. The Audyssey setting just enables multEQ XT I assume since there is no other option. Sadly, the 805 doesn't have dynamicEQ or Dynamic Volume in exchange for some beefier amps and dacs, which would be great getting the reference level experience with the 3 housemates level volumes. I am having difficulties running Audyssey at the moment as my setup is literally 50 feet from highway 44 and the ambient noise is extreme.

As for the 362's, yep I've had 2 of them since last summer and they are great. (wanting 2 more) Paired up with a Hsu VTF3 mk3 (also great!). I agree about the music listening experience, although the one downside to such a good speaker/receiver is I find something like Pandora or 128kbps mp3's leave me wanting more after listening to a few FLAC albums and hearing the clarity {:

As far as I know that is correct with the 806 as well. I only found the dynamicEQ and dynamic volumne while pressing the audio button as stated before. If I find out that this is not the case, i will let you know. As I said before, I am still discovering the potential of this receiver.

Sorry, I went back and read your thread above and noticed that you already had 2 362s, my bad. I think I have listened to Pandora so much that my plazma is showing screen burn!!! yikes!!! it is still superb to listen to, nonetheless! Could this be lossless, flawless, stunning, unriveled audio performance....Hummm!!! A good receiver/infinity a winning combo!! One can only imagine the high end of it. Only imagine.....only imagine....only imagine!!!!

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Got my PC350 in place! Though I think it could use a little breaking in (still on the toobright side, just like my P162 bookshelves were when I got them). Dialog in movies is more audible and clear. I am a very pleased man with the entire setup.

Can't wait to move out of my apartment into something a little better where I can lay a sub down ;)

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Cool pic!

I really like the light colored surrounds on the drivers. I have so much respect for the sound quality of the P362, but I also think they look cool. Regarding the Bond poster: do you have a mancrush on Daniel Craig? C'mon, it's ok to admit it!

Good looking set-up, you're rocking now. Yeah, add bass and you will need a big house for those Primuses....well maybe just a good size room! You'll be enjoying those 362/350's for a very long time and if you are like me, you will not tire of them. I wish I could use the 162's for surrounds-just too big, but the 152's suffice for now and with the receiver's DynamicEQ on they really, really perk up....like 'here we are and we are not dead in the water' or dead on the wall. Even with the audyssey set up they seem to be a little reserved/laid back unless i was watching an action pack movie (DDHD/mstaudioHD), but now even with music they really shine with the DynamicEQ on.

However, I am a little dissappointed that the primuses are not as heavily guarded as the audiosource amp!!! I have a lab that sits by mine and dares anyone to touch them! She doesn't even mind that one of the 362's is blarring directly in her left ear while sleeping in the chair. Ahhhhh! A dog's life!!!

One more question...how does the 574 sound with the primuses, ok?

Cool pic!

I really like the light colored surrounds on the drivers. I have so much respect for the sound quality of the P362, but I also think they look cool. Regarding the Bond poster: do you have a mancrush on Daniel Craig? C'mon, it's ok to admit it!
Of course I have a mancrush on Daniel Craig, he's Bond for pete's sake! ;)


receiver's DynamicEQ on they really, really perk up....like 'here we are and we are not dead in the water' or dead on the wall. Even with the audyssey set up they seem to be a little reserved/laid back unless i was watching an action pack movie (DDHD/mstaudioHD), but now even with music they really shine with the DynamicEQ on.

One more question...how does the 574 sound with the primuses, ok?
The 574 sounds good, I can't complain on sound, but it is lacking in features. I was going to go with an SR607 sometime soon, but I'm now looking more towards the Denon AVR-1910 :D I'll be very excited to get the DynamicEQ, Dynamic Volume, and MultiEQ. Along with DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD.

As for being guarded, come on now, I have a Master Grade Gundam Wing Custom up on that speaker ;)

And exactly what is a 'Master Grade Gundum Wing Custom'. Must be before my time or out of my budget. I just drive a Honda Accord.

The Denon looks nice. i think i said this before that I am looking at the H/K AVR 254. Might want to check it out. The wattage is a little less, but has almost the same things that you want. I am getting the impression that it would have no problem driving the infinities. You can get a recertified at Harmon audio on Ebay for around 200+. (And it is all about saving money, right?) Retail/new they are about the same price. One of the reason I have been looking at this one is because, as far as I have read, most people prefer H/K because of the SQ, but it is a toss-up. But, like I said....that is what I have read so far. I have never heard either, so I can't compare. I will say one thing they are the hottest thing going with H/K right now. And, if you want to save a few bucks, well this is the place to go. They are the best people to deal with and I like people I can trust. They were great when I had an issue with one of my infinities. And they also told me that this receiver would do the job with these speakers. Oh, one other thing is has is the Faroudja DCDI Cinema upscale to 1080p. Forgot that. My onkyo has that and I think it helps on regular dvds and my wife and watch a lot of movies.

Regardless, either way, the sound will be fantastic!! Good Luck!

And exactly what is a 'Master Grade Gundum Wing Custom'. Must be before my time or out of my budget. I just drive a Honda Accord.

http://www.staats.us/sonle/ew_wing_zero_custom.jpg <- Wing Gundam :P Also, I had a 96 Honda Accord, it was stolen and found stripped two weeks later! Drove it for 5 years (got it at 18). Now I have an Infinity G35.

Anyways, back on task here. I am a fan of the HK receivers, but the HK254 won't cut it for me HDMI wise. It only has 3 in. I have Xbox 360, PS3, and HTPC all running through HDMI, and soon I'll have a comcast box with HDMI too.

7x50watt would probably cut it too, but I'm currently driving it with an 80watt Onkyo, so I'd rather go a little higher if anything than lower. Even though I know it's not true power and that I don't need it, it's more for piece of mind than anything. :D

Also, the Denon AVR-1910 is just so beautiful!

Yeah, you are right the more HDMI's the better. I am not a gamer, so therefore the 254 is sufficient for me...anyways it is just for the 2 162s for now. By the way how many infinities are you driving with the Onkyo and what are they, of course other than the 362s and 350? Just curious, since I may use this receiver with the 7.1 if I like it that well. I'll be back on line tomorrow am. Have a good night.

Currently it's just the front three. The way my apartment is set up, it's too much of a pain to have the P162s in the rear (I had them set up for a bit, but there was too much to trip over). Thus the P162s are now the speakers for my PC. It drove everything just dandy, though, enough to shake up the apartments a bit and make the neighbors man. ;)

That's excellent!! So, the onkyo is driving just 3 primuses now, but you had all five going at first. As I said before I will be testing 254 with 7.1. I have been looking into the 'Beautiful' 1910 and discovered the 1909 for 228.00 free shipping, however, it wouldn't be enough HDMI ports for you. But for me, it might work, since there wasn't that much difference in the two. Since this is a second receiver and a stand in one (if you will), so therefore I don't want to spend 4 or 5 hundred. The wife doesn't understand anyway and that would blow her out of the water, since I have already spent a small fortune thus far. Just curious what you think of the 1909? It is a steal brand new! I only have a dvd player and I might add one more component, but that is all. so the ports would be sufficient.

I am looking at the The Primus P362 for my living room for fronts. It is an open floor plan and the room is rather large (maybe 20'x12'). But with an open floor plan, there isn't any walls. And I sit around 15' away from the TV.

I have a Denon 2809CI receiver. I don't plan to use any type of AMP at this time. I was wondering what SUB and center you would recommend? I assume one of the Infinity line speakers. I am not looking at rears at this time, just a nice 3.1 would do.

I normally play video games and watch TV (80%). Other 20% would be movies.

I am looking at the The Primus P362 for my living room for fronts. It is an open floor plan and the room is rather large (maybe 20'x12'). But with an open floor plan, there isn't any walls. And I sit around 15' away from the TV.

I have a Denon 2809CI receiver. I don't plan to use any type of AMP at this time. I was wondering what SUB and center you would recommend? I assume one of the Infinity line speakers. I am not looking at rears at this time, just a nice 3.1 would do.

I normally play video games and watch TV (80%). Other 20% would be movies.


80/20? You don't listen to any music?

For center, definitely the Infinity PC350. If you read this thread, that will be the consensus. The sub does not have to be from Infinity. Hsu, SVS, JL, Def Tech, eD, and countless other brands also make great subs. However, there are some nice DIY designs based on the Infinity Kappas. (DIY for subs is easy, gives better performance than most commercial subs and is definitely more bang for the buck.)

Vordak, if I were you, I would consider in-ceilings (or in-walls) for surrounds rather than no surrounds...


Anyways, back on task here. I am a fan of the HK receivers, but the HK254 won't cut it for me HDMI wise. It only has 3 in. I have Xbox 360, PS3, and HTPC all running through HDMI, and soon I'll have a comcast box with HDMI too.

7x50watt would probably cut it too, but I'm currently driving it with an 80watt Onkyo, so I'd rather go a little higher if anything than lower. Even though I know it's not true power and that I don't need it, it's more for piece of mind than anything. :D

Also, the Denon AVR-1910 is just so beautiful!

The HK254 can drive the Primuses better than that 80 watt Onkyo. Harman doesn't embellish their power ratings. As far as the HDMI input limitations, get a Monoprice switch. I have a HK AVR 247 along w/ a 4x1 Monoprice switch. IMHO, it's nice if the receiver has tons of HDMI inputs, but it's not a dealbreaker.

I am looking at the The Primus P362 for my living room for fronts. It is an open floor plan and the room is rather large (maybe 20'x12'). But with an open floor plan, there isn't any walls. And I sit around 15' away from the TV.

I have a Denon 2809CI receiver. I don't plan to use any type of AMP at this time. I was wondering what SUB and center you would recommend? I assume one of the Infinity line speakers. I am not looking at rears at this time, just a nice 3.1 would do.

I normally play video games and watch TV (80%). Other 20% would be movies.

I have a 20X24 room with 9' ceilings and hardwoods, so the Infinity P-28 sub was sufficient for me. I am approximately 14+ feet away. It has a lot of punch and the infinity quality is not lacking. If your floors are carpet, the a step up might be better. With the 362s for fronts, I use the 350 Center. Everything I have read and now have experienced says that it is the best match for the 362s. You won't even miss the surrounds, since this set-up has proven to be a very powerful center stage. Then later you can add 152s or 162s (bookshelf or with a stand). I have the 152s (wall mountable) and am very satisfied with them. But....the front speakers are most important, of course, and the 362/350 will be a great set-up. There are some good buys on all of them now. Good luck!

Yeah, Allargon, music is what infinity is all about. With a HD receiver, a dvd player streaming Pandora, one can only be left wanting more and more!!

By the way I almost went with in-wall, but decided to have the surrounds wire in and am glad I did. If, of course if one's room permits!:rolleyes:

Does anyone know why they're sold at such drastic discounts? I find it really odd that you have a product that sells for over $500 a pair and then it's periodically sold for $200 a pair, and it's not even a clearance sale. Most product prices don't vary that much. What's going on? Does Fry's periodically sell them for no profit, and if so, aren't there Minimum Advertised Price polices like other companies have?

Is it possible they cheapened the speakers when they switched to the 362 version? I find it really strange for one speaker to go from one price class to another entirely. Is it really possible to sell a quality tower speaker for $100?

I've always been mystified by that myself. I have all P162s, and the price for those rarely dips below about 100 bucks apiece. The equivalent sale would be something like 40 bucks. That seems unlikely.

Is there something about the 362s that makes them less costly? Doubtful. Of course, that still doesn't keep me from thinking I have the better speakers.;)

Truthfully, though, I might just grab a pair of those $99 362s just to stick in the closet if nothing else. At some point in the future I might want to have the extra presence in the front, especially if I start listening to more 2-channel music.

As it is now, I'm about 95% home theater, so I'm quite pleased with my 4 X 162 setup (and the neighbors are dutifully not).:(

80/20? You don't listen to any music?

For center, definitely the Infinity PC350. If you read this thread, that will be the consensus. The sub does not have to be from Infinity. Hsu, SVS, JL, Def Tech, eD, and countless other brands also make great subs. However, there are some nice DIY designs based on the Infinity Kappas. (DIY for subs is easy, gives better performance than most commercial subs and is definitely more bang for the buck.)

Vordak, if I were you, I would consider in-ceilings (or in-walls) for surrounds rather than no surrounds...



The HK254 can drive the Primuses better than that 80 watt Onkyo. Harman doesn't embellish their power ratings. As far as the HDMI input limitations, get a Monoprice switch. I have a HK AVR 247 along w/ a 4x1 Monoprice switch. IMHO, it's nice if the receiver has tons of HDMI inputs, but it's not a dealbreaker.

No not too much music really. Normally listen to that when working so I stay away after work. Also for surrounds I don't plan on it yet but will keep your option in mind. My receiver has 4 HDMI inputs, so hopefully that will be OK for the time being. :) I am currently only using 4.

I have a 20X24 room with 9' ceilings and hardwoods, so the Infinity P-28 sub was sufficient for me. I am approximately 14+ feet away. It has a lot of punch and the infinity quality is not lacking. If your floors are carpet, the a step up might be better. With the 362s for fronts, I use the 350 Center. Everything I have read and now have experienced says that it is the best match for the 362s. You won't even miss the surrounds, since this set-up has proven to be a very powerful center stage. Then later you can add 152s or 162s (bookshelf or with a stand). I have the 152s (wall mountable) and am very satisfied with them. But....the front speakers are most important, of course, and the 362/350 will be a great set-up. There are some good buys on all of them now. Good luck!

I got a 2 story living room and hardwood floors. That is one reason why I don't want to invest too much into my living room sound and get surround sound. I feel a lot of the value will leave the room. Just a nice fronts/center/sub to get by until I can finish my basement and put in a nice home theater.

If I go with the larger sub than the p-28, will it rattle my floors or just because carpet absorbs sound, it would just be better off?

i'm always amazed at how small the percentages people give for their music listening. especially with speakers as good as the infinity 362. it seems like such a waste to me. for instance, i think if people knew how great sacd/dvd-a's sounded, they would listen to more music. i don't know - maybe it's circumstances. i'm a big music lover and i'm single so it's easy for me. i guess i'm in the minority because my percentage splits are about 90% music 10% movies.

I got a 2 story living room and hardwood floors. That is one reason why I don't want to invest too much into my living room sound and get surround sound. I feel a lot of the value will leave the room. Just a nice fronts/center/sub to get by until I can finish my basement and put in a nice home theater.

If I go with the larger sub than the p-28, will it rattle my floors or just because carpet absorbs sound, it would just be better off?

I think it depends on your taste. Subs can be adjusted to suite the room using audyssey and of course personal taste. Since TV/movies are priority, I think the P28 Infinity would suffice or a sub equivelant. I prefer all speakers to match internally and externally. I am not much on mixmatching!! :oAllargon can give more advice on this subject of subs. I can only tell you of my situation that the p28 really throws the bass....as someone said in the forum 'it is mostly about the quality, not necessarily the size' I tend to agree with that. Also, Harmon Audio on Ebay has the sub a size up, you might want to take a look at. I will add another thing...I had a station set on Pandora and left the house to walk next door to a neighbor about 75' away. the volumne was minimal and I could hear the bass very clear and was somewhat embarrassed. (If you understood our neighborhood)

Did you notice the pic further up posted by kniob if you chose infinity fronts, this pic is the set-up, thread #67. I learned a lot by reading these threads for my whole theater and am extremely please with the turn out (as I said before). Our rooms are similar and I have hardwoods. i don't remember if you had carpet or hardwoods in the great room or in the basement.

My P362s don't see music too often, as my office is an extension of the living room. The P362s see Movie/TV/Music 85/10/5. Now the P162s I have connected to my computer, sitting behind my monitors, are playing music 70% of the time I'm home ;) 55.8 days worth of music, iTunes tells me. :D

i'm always amazed at how small the percentages people give for their music listening. especially with speakers as good as the infinity 362. it seems like such a waste to me. for instance, i think if people knew how great sacd/dvd-a's sounded, they would listen to more music. i don't know - maybe it's circumstances. i'm a big music lover and i'm single so it's easy for me. i guess i'm in the minority because my percentage splits are about 90% music 10% movies.

before I got my 362's I never listened to music on my home theater [I always had small fronts]. now it's hard for me to listen to music in my car, I've been spoiled :(

as far as SACD's, there just isn't enough of them, I wish there were more

i'm always amazed at how small the percentages people give for their music listening. especially with speakers as good as the infinity 362. it seems like such a waste to me. for instance, i think if people knew how great sacd/dvd-a's sounded, they would listen to more music. i don't know - maybe it's circumstances. i'm a big music lover and i'm single so it's easy for me. i guess i'm in the minority because my percentage splits are about 90% music 10% movies.

I agree. Get a good CD player and listen to some good vocal or instrumental CDs. I wish I had a dedicated room for the 362 so that I can enjoy the music more. The 362s are much more easily driven and sound more natural than my Genesis Gern II (Stereophile Class D 1994 $800/pairs).

For people mention about HK receivers. Their specs of output wattage are low in compare to other brands (Onkyo, Denon, Yamaha ...). However, they are designed for high current. As a result, they can drive low impedance speakers (4 ohm). I used to have a entry level Denon with 100W X 5. It could not drive my Genesis Gern II that were 4 ohm speakers, while my HK1400 is 40Wx2 can try my Gern II easily.
I think HK is not very far from the the midfi as Cambridge Audio, NAD, Rotel, Creek as much lower price. It is the same of Infinity Primus to some brand name like Energy, Vandersteen, PSB entry level model or Paradigm entry level model. You can get some HK products, not very far to brand names at fraction of the price when they are on discount (like 362s for $99/each. How can you beat that?).

I see HK254, 354 are on HK ebay. I wonder they have quality control problems. Anybody know?

There is the Official Harman kardon AVR 254/354 Owners thread.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1043407&page=87

This is the last page, but you can backtrack and read the issues. It appears that H/K are working on the firmware issues, but it seems everyone is having a variety of 254 issues. I am holding off till I heard more remedies. The 254 is a good choice and I will still consider it or the Denon 1909 or 10. i am just waiting to see. So far as I have read if you have the primuses, you shouldn't have a problem with the 254 driving them. The price on Ebay is what is attracting me, since I have already spent a small fortune on the family room theater, I don't want another 1000.00 receiver. It was there I got my 362's as well. All others through Crutchfield-great company and people to deal with. I did get my 162's cheap on sale there.

I had the 162's with the 350 center and the 350 was too powerful for them, so that is why I got the 362s and do not regret one moment. There seems to be more balance and a lot more power in the center stage now. I am one that never listen to music much, but now many times during the day. Such a pleasure to turn them up and hear the audiophile quality of the reproduction. I constantly try to listen to instruments to see whether the sound reproduction is good and am never dissappointed. Some rock songs get a little muddy for me, but the majority is pure audio joy!!! :D I am just entering my audiophile life. i didn't know that I was missing so much. But this is my .02, so take it for what it is worth. Just go for it!

There is the Official Harman kardon AVR 254/354 Owners thread.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1043407&page=87

This is the last page, but you can backtrack and read the issues. It appears that H/K are working on the firmware issues, but it seems everyone is having a variety of 254 issues. I am holding off till I heard more remedies. The 254 is a good choice and I will still consider it or the Denon 1909 or 10. i am just waiting to see. So far as I have read if you have the primuses, you shouldn't have a problem with the 254 driving them. The price on Ebay is what is attracting me, since I have already spent a small fortune on the family room theater, I don't want another 1000.00 receiver. It was there I got my 362's as well. All others through Crutchfield-great company and people to deal with. I did get my 162's cheap on sale there.

I had the 162's with the 350 center and the 350 was too powerful for them, so that is why I got the 362s and do not regret one moment. There seems to be more balance and a lot more power in the center stage now. I am one that never listen to music much, but now many times during the day. Such a pleasure to turn them up and hear the audiophile quality of the reproduction. I constantly try to listen to instruments to see whether the sound reproduction is good and am never dissappointed. Some rock songs get a little muddy for me, but the majority is pure audio joy!!! :D I am just entering my audiophile life. i didn't know that I was missing so much. But this is my .02, so take it for what it is worth. Just go for it!

Some of the rock songs get a little muddy may come from the quality of being recorded or the bass is over emphasis at the lower bass of the 362s. There are some pop CDs that are very good recorded, but I don't know if they are in your taste
brother in arms dire straits
The Hunter by Jennifer Warnes

Do you think the 162s are overkill for the rears (362s front, 350 centre)?

The 152 or the 162 would work. Like I said with the DynamicEQ on mine really came alive. I also know that the 162 is a phoenominal speaker as I know and some of the expert reviewers. The 162 is 61/2 driver and the 152 is 51/4 driver. So, with stands they would work well as a group with the 362s and the 350. The 152 works good on the walls, the 162 on stands or a bookshelf and they all are rather deep. Of course, there are the in-wallers, but that I can't help you with.

I do not buy cds much, I listen to streaming music or downloaded. I am curious about the SADC's though:cool:

The 152 or the 162 would work. Like I said with the DynamicEQ on mine really came alive. I also know that the 162 is a phoenominal speaker as I know and some of the expert reviewers. The 162 is 61/2 driver and the 152 is 51/4 driver. So, with stands they would work well as a group with the 362s and the 350. The 152 works good on the walls, the 162 on stands or a bookshelf and they all are rather deep. Of course, there are the in-wallers, but that I can't help you with.

I do not buy cds much, I listen to streaming music or downloaded. I am curious about the SADC's though:cool:

The reason I ask is that I won HK ebay for 1 162. I need to get another one. I got my 362s at Fry for $109/each. When Fry' is on sale for 362s, they are the same or even cheaper than 162's with good stands. I wonder if to get another pairs of 362s instead of 162s for rear.

For SACD, they sound good, but selection is limited and they are expensive.

The 152 or the 162 would work. Like I said with the DynamicEQ on mine really came alive. I also know that the 162 is a phoenominal speaker as I know and some of the expert reviewers. The 162 is 61/2 driver and the 152 is 51/4 driver. So, with stands they would work well as a group with the 362s and the 350. The 152 works good on the walls, the 162 on stands or a bookshelf and they all are rather deep. Of course, there are the in-wallers, but that I can't help you with.

I do not buy cds much, I listen to streaming music or downloaded. I am curious about the SADC's though:cool:


i don't know how much you know about sacd's but there are a few must haves to be able to play them. you must have a player that will decode them. i have a oppo 970 that's a universal player that i purchased for ~$150 brand new. it's a great budget player and it also plays dvd-a's. you need a 5.1 setup to hear all the channels. and you need a receiver that can process the signal. the good: sensational listening experience. the best audio i've ever heard. a feast for the ears. the not so good: it's not that the discs are expensive, some can still be had for $15, it's that the format is dying and the discs that are not in great supply have become harder to get and subsequently more expensive. if you want to learn more, there is a wealth of information in the "surround music" threads under the audio section on this forum.

Dragonhorse.....If you have time and go back and read the Primus thread, you might find some people who have 362s for the their rears. It seemed pretty normal to do that, if, course you have the space. I can't see, (myself) that it would be a problem. I am sure it would sound fantastic as you may well know. The are a little tipsey on carpet, though.

Grubadub.....I thought maybe the SACDs were an upcoming thing, not going out. I probably wouldn't want to buy another dvd player. I wished I could have waited for the new oppo bluray player. The SACDs do sound interesting, however, I tire easily listening to the same songs over and over again. That is why I enjoy pandora.

Dragonhorse.....If you have time and go back and read the Primus thread, you might find some people who have 362s for the their rears. It seemed pretty normal to do that, if, course you have the space. I can't see, (myself) that it would be a problem. I am sure it would sound fantastic as you may well know. The are a little tipsey on carpet, though.

Grubadub.....I thought maybe the SACDs were an upcoming thing, not going out. I probably wouldn't want to buy another dvd player. I wished I could have waited for the new oppo bluray player. The SACDs do sound interesting, however, I tire easily listening to the same songs over and over again. That is why I enjoy pandora.

i've got my eye on the oppo bluray player. that will probably be my next player. the reviews are very good. but for now, my 970 still serves me very well so i can wait. i want to upgrade my sub before thinking about a new player. i'm lusting after the svs pc12-nsd.

Polk monitor 30 or infinity p142 for surround duty. I'm just worried about the bass response for the p142, monitor 30 seems to have better frequency response. But p142 would probably better match my speakers. 152's are a no go, wife will be pissed with the size.

Which would you rather have paired with a infinity pc350 center and left/right infinity p362, will be using for movies/gaming?

Polk Monitor 30
Driver Complement
Mid/Woofer 1 - 5-1/4" Diameter (13.34cm)
Dynamic Balance Bi-laminate composite cone driver, magnetically shielded
Tweeter 1 - 1" Diameter (2.54cm)
Dynamic Balance Silk/polymer composite dome, magnetically shielded
Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 55Hz - 25kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 63Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 24kHz
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 -100 w/channel
Efficiency 89 dB
Crossover 2.3kHz, second order high and low pass
Inputs Dual (bi-amp) 5 way binding posts
Dimensions
Cabinet Size 11" H x 7" W x 8-3/8" D
(27.94cm H x 17.78cm W x 21.27cm D)
Mounting Options on-wall with built-in key hole slot
Enclosure Type Vented via rear panel flared port
Shipping/Other
Product Weight 9.00 lbs. (4.08kgs)

Infinity p142
PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS
General
Frequency Response (±3dB) 100Hz - 20kHz
Recommended Power Amplifier Range 10 - 100 watts
Sensitivity (2.83V @ 1m) 86dB
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Crossover Frequency(ies) 3,000Hz; 24dB/octave
Low-Frequency Driver 4" (100mm) MMD®
High-Frequency Driver 3/4" (19mm) MMD®
Dimensions
(H x W x D) 9-7/8" x 5-15/16" x 6-13/16"
(251mm x 150mm x 173mm)
Weight 7 lb (3.2kg)
Finish Black Wood-Grain Enclosure

Polk monitor 30 or infinity p142 for surround duty. I'm just worried about the bass response for the p142, monitor 30 seems to have better frequency response. But p142 would probably better match my speakers. 152's are a no go, wife will be pissed with the size.

Which would you rather have paired with a infinity pc350 center and left/right infinity p362, will be using for movies/gaming?

If you have a concern for bass, the Monitor 30's might be the better choice. Surrounds dont HAVE to mach with the front's, or so i read. That being said, i have the p142's as surrounds, and i dont think they are bad pairs of surrounds. Sure they dont have as much bass, but they're just as crystal clear as my P362 fronts.

I haven't heard them in person, but if I were to buy some bookshelves today to go w. the 362's I'd go with these, pardon my non-infinity reference:
http://hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html
Hsu is a top-notch company and if these are anything like their subs, whoa.

Polk monitor 30 or infinity p142 for surround duty. I'm just worried about the bass response for the p142, monitor 30 seems to have better frequency response. But p142 would probably better match my speakers. 152's are a no go, wife will be pissed with the size.

Which would you rather have paired with a infinity pc350 center and left/right infinity p362, will be using for movies/gaming?



I used the 140's as the main speakers in a bedroom system and they were great. If theyr'e going to be on or near a wall, you'll get some gain from that. Go for the 142's!

Polk monitor 30 or infinity p142 for surround duty. I'm just worried about the bass response for the p142, monitor 30 seems to have better frequency response. But p142 would probably better match my speakers. 152's are a no go, wife will be pissed with the size.

unlucky buggers :D my girl lets me get away with just about anything. When it comes the entertainment center, that's all my domain. She didn't mind when I replaced my small fronts with the huge p362s ;) In fact, I stopped by the Sony store, and she just about fell in love with the 52" Sony LED TV... it was sitting next to a 40" (size I have now) and she was ready to dump it for a larger one.

I've heard the 152s, and they would be decent, but I think the 142 is too low on bass. The 162 is great, very nice range (and great for music).

Thanks for your input guys. The hsu bookshelves will be too big.

I decided to go with energy c-r100 for surrounds due to their small size. It's a bipole design, hopefully i'll like it. Also just ordered an hk 254 receiver.

Energy c-r100
Specifications
System Type Acoustic Suspension
Frequency Response 62Hz-20kHz +/- 3 dB
Recommended Amplifier Power up to 125 watts
Components Dual Chambered 1" Aluminum Domes, 5-1/2" Composite Fiberglas cone
Impedance 8 ohms nominal; 4 ohms minimum
Useable Bass Response (-10db Anechoic) 51 Hz
Sensitivity (anechoic) 85dB
Sensitivity (2 speakers in a typical room) 89dB
Crossover Point 3.5kHz
Overall Dimensions W - 12.75"/32.2cm
H - 7"/17.5cm
D - 5.75"/14.5cm
Weight 7.7lbs / 3.5kg ea
Finishes Black
Included Accessories Wall Mount Bracket, Rubber Bumpers

I'm sure you'll like them. I have a buddy that swears up and down the wall that Energy speakers can do no wrong. He's had to abandon all his speakers setups for the wife and kid though. :mad:

I think it depends on your taste. Subs can be adjusted to suite the room using audyssey and of course personal taste. Since TV/movies are priority, I think the P28 Infinity would suffice or a sub equivelant. I prefer all speakers to match internally and externally. I am not much on mixmatching!! :oAllargon can give more advice on this subject of subs. I can only tell you of my situation that the p28 really throws the bass....as someone said in the forum 'it is mostly about the quality, not necessarily the size' I tend to agree with that. Also, Harmon Audio on Ebay has the sub a size up, you might want to take a look at. I will add another thing...I had a station set on Pandora and left the house to walk next door to a neighbor about 75' away. the volumne was minimal and I could hear the bass very clear and was somewhat embarrassed. (If you understood our neighborhood)

Did you notice the pic further up posted by kniob if you chose infinity fronts, this pic is the set-up, thread #67. I learned a lot by reading these threads for my whole theater and am extremely please with the turn out (as I said before). Our rooms are similar and I have hardwoods. i don't remember if you had carpet or hardwoods in the great room or in the basement.

Thanks, I personally like a lot of bass. I am going to see if I can find a local place that carries both the p28 and the one above so I can listen to them. Currently I don't have an neighbors (new neighborhood) so maybe a lot of bass will keep people from building next to me :). I am buying these for my great room which is hardwood. I agree on the mismatching. I know a lot of people say you can piece together a better setup that way, but I don't hear the difference anyways, but I can see the difference so I am all for keeping with the same model/brand.

I prefer all one kind because of asthetics/output/crossover settings. Since my knowledge is somewhat limited on this subject, I have to trust the Infinity people on that. I know you can successfully use a different sub. And....of course, if you like a lot of it, then get a larger one than the 8".

At Harmon/Kardon Ebay website they are bidding on two Infinity PS210 300w and PS212 400w. I can assure these would rattle the roof. But, as I said before, the Ps28 is great for me on hardwoods, especially if I can hear it at a distance outside. Our home is fully insullated with double pain windows and is only 3 years old and you can hardly hear anything outside. But this sub you can. It sounds like a car system afar off on the road.

If it can set my car alarm off, I would be happy. :) Thanks for your input, I was actually just on the ebay site checking it out!

Are the Primus the replacement line for the Betas?

I recently lost my entire home theater due to a flood so I am trying to do the replacment sheets for the insurance.

Do the Primus sound as good as the Betas the reviews don't seem as good.

Are the Primus the replacement line for the Betas?

I recently lost my entire home theater due to a flood so I am trying to do the replacment sheets for the insurance.

Do the Primus sound as good as the Betas the reviews don't seem as good.

They're not the replacement for the Betas, but I know on several levels (personal experience being one) that they can hang with the Beta's and exceed them in some respects. When I first got the 360's, they were so inexpensive that I thought, surely these can be beaten with more expensive infinity's. I bought some Beta 40's and IL40's and yet I preferred the 360's. YMMV, but the 360/362's are really good.

After a couple months of bargin shopping (tight budget), I finally completed my front three upgrade in my 5.1 yesterday from a set of hand-me downs that I had been using. After jumping on a pair of p362s at a frys sale a couple months ago, I finally got the center pc350 installed yesterday, and all I can say is 'wow'. The difference in sound clarity is just amazing, I could not be happier with my purchases and with the value I feel like I got (I came in at under $420 shipped for all three). Crisp clear sounds, and I was pretty suprised at how good the low-end sounds sounded from my front three also. Highly recommend these.

I have an Onkyo TX-SR574 that I picked up awhile ago from CC for $74 ;) I'm planning to replace it soon with a TX-SR607 as soon as I find a good deal or have a sleepless night where I throw down $500 while drinking hard coffee. :D

As for the P162s I have on the computer, I'm using an AudioSource AMP-100 and and older AudioSource EX-Eight/II. They sound great and I really enjoy them :)

http://kniob.net/misc/stereoequipment.jpg

will throw up pics of the HT setup when my center channel gets in.

Heh, my dad has a Toyota AE86.:)

Also, one random question to everybody:
Are the rubber surrounds on the center channel supposed to feel stiffer then the other speaker's rubber surrounds? Or is it just because its a sealed enclosure?

Hey guys I'm slowing building up my HT and had my eyes on the p362s. I've read pretty much this entire thread and looking to pick up a pair of p362s and the pc350 for the center. I actually manage to pick up a pair of 162s for $100 on craigslist from someone who just let them collect dust in his spare room and they sound awesome.

Anyways from what i've read the p362s seem to go on sale alot from Fry's (looks like the last sale was around the 1st of july for 100) but today when I called around I had a couple of retailers tell me they've been discontinued. I wanted to wait for the next sale from Fry's but anyone else know if what the retailers are telling me is true?

Hey guys I'm slowing building up my HT and had my eyes on the p362s. I've read pretty much this entire thread and looking to pick up a pair of p362s and the pc350 for the center. I actually manage to pick up a pair of 162s for $100 on craigslist from someone who just let them collect dust in his spare room and they sound awesome.

Anyways from what i've read the p362s seem to go on sale alot from Fry's (looks like the last sale was around the 1st of july for 100) but today when I called around I had a couple of retailers tell me they've been discontinued. I wanted to wait for the next sale from Fry's but anyone else know if what the retailers are telling me is true?

I think there is a new line of that coming out that I noticed on Infinity Website, but the 362's are still out there. Your best bet for now is Harmon audio/ebay, bid at the last minute your highest bid and good luck. Also Amazon is still showing them with several e-companies. I would not wait too long. If you love the 162's (and I do too), you will not get enough of the 362/350 speakers.

After a couple months of bargin shopping (tight budget), I finally completed my front three upgrade in my 5.1 yesterday from a set of hand-me downs that I had been using. After jumping on a pair of p362s at a frys sale a couple months ago, I finally got the center pc350 installed yesterday, and all I can say is 'wow'. The difference in sound clarity is just amazing, I could not be happier with my purchases and with the value I feel like I got (I came in at under $420 shipped for all three). Crisp clear sounds, and I was pretty suprised at how good the low-end sounds sounded from my front three also. Highly recommend these.

You did really well. You could have spent $1500 on other speakers and have done worse.

I think there is a new line of that coming out that I noticed on Infinity Website, but the 362's are still out there. Your best bet for now is Harmon audio/ebay, bid at the last minute your highest bid and good luck. Also Amazon is still showing them with several e-companies. I would not wait too long. If you love the 162's (and I do too), you will not get enough of the 362/350 speakers.

If you don't like auctions, another place for refurbs/bstock is this store I saw on the main infinity website as an authorized dealer, they only sell B-Stock/refurbs I think, www.theaudiovideosource.com. I think you can get a pair of primus p362s and the pc350 center for around $450 from there + shipping which was like another 70 bucks when I checked. $520, not a bad price if you ask me. Then again you can get them all brand new for around 600 shipped without having to worry about getting refurbs. These are excellent speakers and well worth that price

If you don't like auctions, another place for refurbs/bstock is this store I saw on the main infinity website as an authorized dealer, they only sell B-Stock/refurbs I think, www.theaudiovideosource.com. I think you can get a pair of primus p362s and the pc350 center for around $450 from there + shipping which was like another 70 bucks when I checked. $520, not a bad price if you ask me. Then again you can get them all brand new for around 600 shipped without having to worry about getting refurbs. These are excellent speakers and well worth that price

FWIW, I've purchased from this company, and heartily recommend them. Customer service was excellent.

If you don't like auctions, another place for refurbs/bstock is this store I saw on the main infinity website as an authorized dealer, they only sell B-Stock/refurbs I think, www.theaudiovideosource.com. I think you can get a pair of primus p362s and the pc350 center for around $450 from there + shipping which was like another 70 bucks when I checked. $520, not a bad price if you ask me. Then again you can get them all brand new for around 600 shipped without having to worry about getting refurbs. These are excellent speakers and well worth that price

thats where i got my pc350 from.

Update on the Receiver. 6ave had a sale where you can "Name Your Own Price." So for the Denon AVR-1910, list price $550, I named my price "$405". They accepted the price a few hours later! :D

Free Ship, no Tax, $405 out the door. I should have the receiver sometime beginning of next week. Bought a few more HDMI cables and some banana plugs from monoprice and I'll have my rig setup soon.

Update on the Receiver. 6ave had a sale where you can "Name Your Own Price." So for the Denon AVR-1910, list price $550, I named my price "$405". They accepted the price a few hours later! :D

Free Ship, no Tax, $405 out the door. I should have the receiver sometime beginning of next week. Bought a few more HDMI cables and some banana plugs from monoprice and I'll have my rig setup soon.

Sweet! That's the way to do it--

Update on the Receiver. 6ave had a sale where you can "Name Your Own Price." So for the Denon AVR-1910, list price $550, I named my price "$405". They accepted the price a few hours later! :D

Free Ship, no Tax, $405 out the door. I should have the receiver sometime beginning of next week. Bought a few more HDMI cables and some banana plugs from monoprice and I'll have my rig setup soon.

Good for you, let us know how it goes when you get it all set up. I did research on the 1910 and the 1909, but I decided on the H/K 254 got it for $250.00-couldn't pass up at that price. It will be in tomorrow. I am very anxious to compare with my 806, then I will use H/K in the office or maybe not I am sure the infinities will not complain either way, right? ;).

Quote:
Originally Posted by GLBright
Apologies to all for the off-topic discussion. I would be drawn and quartered if I drove to Fry's today (or any day) to get some 362s since there are already (Infinity) Interlude IL60s, Compositions Overture 3s, P142s, and Alpha 20s in the house. But as an aside. Anyone think speaker design/pricing has improved so much that I would be better served to sell what I have, buy 3 pairs of 362s and pocket the difference?

Markwriter wrote in reply:
The alpha's didn't go thru the advanced facilities in Northridge (per plhart). I think he mentioned they got spanked by the Beta's in DBT. It wasn't even close. The Interludes did go thru Northridge. The Compositions did not, I don't think. So, I'd ditch the alpha's and Overtures.

So I've been thinking about what you said. The advanced facilities you speak of pretty much pertain to the carousel and ABX listening by an informed, but brand-unaware listening audience. Correct? This only means that a given Infinity (or JBL, or Revel) speaker is able to out-perform selected competitive models at a given price point. This certainly doesn't mean that Infinity in the past, whether it was from Harman or from when they were independent, didn't create some remarkably fine speakers. So just because they weren't designed and tested at Northridge doesn't necessarily make them bad. In fact they could possibly be better than some of the newer designs, pricing ignored.

Just some thoughts.

I have the Primus Theater Pack I - CompUSA closeout back in the day. (All they say on them is Primus HCS and the Sub is a PS10).

I would like to go to 7.1 with some in-wall speakers for the sides. Keep the HCS's up front and in back (works best with my Berklines). What would be a good in-wall speaker to put with the Primus Theater Pack? I was looking at the Infinity ERS-210IIS. What would match best? Thanks.

Quote:
In fact they could possibly be better than some of the newer designs, pricing ignored.
Just some thoughts.

They might be subjectively better in anyone's opinion, but I gathered Mark's point was they probably aren't objectively better. The CMMD/MMD drivers alone represent a significant advance. Ultimately, however, unless anyone has some data, this is a dead end argument.

Credit to Joseph at the Infinity Classics group at Yahoo.

While the new Infinity Primus P362 is hardly a classic speaker, it does show solid engineering to a price point. I picked up a new pair at Fry's on sale for $100 each to be used with a 30 wpc Fisher KM200 tube amp. Their 93 dB sensitivity works well with the small integrated amp and the wife likes them for their smaller size than the big Thiel 3.6s or the Infinity RS 2.5s that were there before.

HOWEVER, they are designed to a price point and one cheap spot is the footers. They have little hard plastic feet held on by #8 wood screws. On carpet, they don't couple to the floor well. Hence the upgrade to spikes. But since they are pretty narrow speakers and Infinity warns against screwing on the feet too tightly, I decided to build some outriggers for the spikes.

I've uploaded some photos in folder called Infinity Primus P362 Spikes or somesuch.

I ordered some cheap spikes off eBay at about $10 for a set of 8. I made two pieces of 3.5 X 1 X 11 inch maple for the fronts and two 1 X 1 X 11.5 inch maple for the rears. The center of gravity is towards the front so I put the spikes on the front edge of the front bar with the screw hole to the speaker half an inch off the back edge. The existing screw holes are 7.5 inches apart.

After cutting and drilling the holes, I screwed in the inserts for the spikes, filed down the edges, sanded, and painted the bars a flat black.

When I removed the existing feet, I discovered a small rubber plug that had to be removed. I think it's for the factory-supplied rubber feet but I'm not certain. I scrapped off some wood around the screw holes to get it flat.

The bars when on easily enough although I did have to ream out the screw holes to get the fit OK. I used 1.5 inch long #8 wood screws which gave me just about the same amount of bite as the original screws.

Listening, I say that the spikes did what I expected in tightening up the bass clarity. They also improve the stability of the speakers. I do need to play with the spikes to get the speakers level and upright but that's cosmetic.

Cash-wise, it was $10 for the spikes, $8 or so for the maple, $1 for the screws, and $4 for the spray paint or about $12 a speaker. Took about 3 hours of my time on a Saturday afternoon. Wish I had a drill press and a better sense of craftmanship!

I thought it was a worthwhile investment in improving a cheap but well designed speaker with high efficiency and reasonable bass extension.

Glbright...Sounds very interesting, but I am lost, could you upload some pics?
Thanks.

Glbright...Sounds very interesting, but I am lost, could you upload some pics?
Thanks.

based off what he gave, I found the info he copied from this site:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/InfinityClassics/message/8211

though, you have to be a member to see the pictures. In the interest of Science, I have applied to be a member of the group. Will repost images when the group moderator okays me to join.

Glbright...Sounds very interesting, but I am lost, could you upload some pics?
Thanks.

Your wish is my command.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z281/gregsgoatfarm/infinity/Disassembled.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z281/gregsgoatfarm/infinity/Spikesinstalled.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z281/gregsgoatfarm/infinity/Completeview2.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z281/gregsgoatfarm/infinity/Completeview1.jpg

Thanks guys, Glbright and Knoib.

Glbright you really did a decent job. A couple of questions...the spikes are specifically for stability, right? I have hardwoods, not carpet. Please explain how all this improves bass extenion, the height?

Thanks!

Thanks guys, Glbright and Knoib.

Glbright you really did a decent job. A couple of questions...the spikes are specifically for stability, right? I have hardwoods, not carpet. Please explain how all this improves bass extenion, the height?

Thanks!
I would have to assume the original poster's issue was carpet related. Since the speaker doesn't have direct contact with the floor, apparently the bass doesn't travel as well? Seems a little crazy to me, but I have no honest idea.

Glbright: thanks! Saved me from waiting to be accepted to the group :D

I would have to assume the original poster's issue was carpet related. Since the speaker doesn't have direct contact with the floor, apparently the bass doesn't travel as well? Seems a little crazy to me, but I have no honest idea.

Glbright: thanks! Saved me from waiting to be accepted to the group :D

yeah, I am interested in what or how Glbright explains that, just curious.

And, hey, you were suppose to give us a report on your Denon 1910!! How is it?

I would like to give you an update on the H/K254 with the infinities if you would like to hear it!!!:confused:

yeah, I am interested in what or how Glbright explains that, just curious.

And, hey, you were suppose to give us a report on your Denon 1910!! How is it?

I would like to give you an update on the H/K254 with the infinities if you would like to hear it!!!:confused:
Glbright didn't make that mod, he copied it from another website (hence his credit).

My Denon 1910 is on 10-14 day backorder :( I'm assuming it will ship out sometime this week. I've been dying to have it in my hands!

I am curious how that HK 254 sounds, though! I'm looking at sometime buying the HK 3490 (stereo receiver) to power the Infinity P162 set I'm using for my computer/music. Replace my audiosource setup.

I am curious how that HK 254 sounds, though! I'm looking at sometime buying the HK 3490 (stereo receiver) to power the Infinity P162 set I'm using for my computer/music. Replace my audiosource setup.

Let me know if you decide to go this route, I might be interested.

Glbright didn't make that mod, he copied it from another website (hence his credit).

Thanks for bailing me out. I gave credit to Joseph at Infinity Classics Group at Yahoo in my original post. He claims it tightened up the bass. For sure they won't fall down as easily. I'm not convinced yet about floor coupling and spikes, especially on carpet. But who would use spikes on nice hardwood anyway? I used to use them on my Infinity Overture 3s and DefTech sub, but it was too difficult to move the speakers so I removed them. For the life of me I couldn't hear any difference. Ears more well-trained than mine (only 50 years playing live music) might notice some subtle difference.

Glbright didn't make that mod, he copied it from another website (hence his credit).

My Denon 1910 is on 10-14 day backorder :( I'm assuming it will ship out sometime this week. I've been dying to have it in my hands!

I am curious how that HK 254 sounds, though! I'm looking at sometime buying the HK 3490 (stereo receiver) to power the Infinity P162 set I'm using for my computer/music. Replace my audiosource setup.

I know how you feel, when I got my onk and all the infinties, i could hardly stand it, i was just trying to be calm and, of course with my little knowledge got frustrated quickly. And even now i am still trying new options.

Wow, we are so much in the same boat here. I bought the 254 for the exact thing to drive my 162s and a back up for the 806. After reading all info I could get my eyes into, I felt that this would work, but I am getting a little worried. You must have the GUI interface visible to do setup assignment. And I am not sure how to do that with the monitor. I actually thought that I could hook everything through from the sound card via HDMI and that still may be possible.

But, I got nothing and because there was no way to assign that, well here I am. So, I have realized that HDMI has to be run from sound/video card to receiver to puter monitor via HDMI/DVI adaptor, since my monitor is not HDMI I will have to purchase a DVI/HDMI plug or something like that. Pretty much the way I see it now.

As far as the receiver, well you may know the reviews and issues with this, but because of the price reduction and firmware fixes it has become a hot commodity. Harmon audio on ebay sales have gone through the roof with on the 254 and 354. Seems like I noticed the receiver you wanted there.

That is the reason I purchased one because of the price, and more for less as I did with the Infinity Primus line of speakers. And...I still think they are ridiculously good!!

The sound was as good as the 806, however, you know how that goes. I enjoy pure audio at it's purist sound for music as it was recorded. The 254 SQ seemed to be a lot brighter and a little flat. But, since I am use to the Audyssey DynamicEQ, it would probably be that way. I think there is a lot to adjust regardless and since it is somewhat different than the 806, i would need more time. This probably doesn't pertain to you, but the upscaling video quality was very good.

The 254 neither had THX Ultra2/audyssey/DynamicEQ/Loudness+ or pure audio. Now that I have these on the 806, I don't think I could live without them. These settings simply create a cinematic experience far better than the Theater!! The function was called EzEq on the 254. Of course we are talking about Theater here. So, that was ok, since it was to be used at the puter not the other. It did drive the 7.1 set-up very well, did not notice any distortion. Volume had to be turn up more than the Onk. Of course one knows that one gets what you pay for what you get and I am sure that if I bought a 1100.00 H/K THX with audysseyEQ, it would please me a lot. As I said before I have only purchase refurbs, not new ones, since there is always imminent change down the road. There are AVS threads with the 254 and 354 that you can learn more about their products.

That is about all I can tell you, reading is the best thing, I suppose.

I am not sure that I am going to keep the H/K, since I sort of over bought on the power. I may return it or sell it. I guess maybe i should of just bought a stereo amplifier.

I hope I haven't repeated myself too much. And, I will be anxious about how your Denon sounds. I know it will sound fantastic with those infinities! What is your opinion/thoughts or can you make sense of any of this:rolleyes:?

so you bought the HK 254 for a stereo setup? :confused: I would have surely gone with a stereo receiver for that.

so you bought the HK 254 for a stereo setup? :confused: I would have surely gone with a stereo receiver for that.

Yeah I knew it was an overkill, but I thought that maybe I could switch the 2 receivers out from time to time. However, wouldn't the 254 work just fine with the 162's? See I did intend to watch movies, videos and clips on the monitor screen. I might also ad a sub later. And, this receiver has Dolby virtual sound as well as the 3490. I was also looking for something with HDMI when I add an HD monitor, it will complete that format in my putering. I did notice that the 3490 is not HD capable say if you wanted to listen to xm or hd streaming radio of another kind. It will definitely be cool in digital sound listening anyway. However, in the future everything seems to look like it gonna be HD/bluray. That is how I am receiving Pandora through my puter HD card vial Cat5 under the house to the TV. The sound is just amazing. I don't know what happens to it from the puter, except it has upconverting from DVD 1.3 and onk 1.3, then to speakers, so I really don't know what is going on, but I just know it sounds like lossless sound to me. It's sort of like a continuing sound similar to and produced by means of a piano/sustaining floor pedals down, and the room acting as a resonator/sounding board. Wow, that sounds nice and wordy!

You seem to know more about stereos than I do. Anyways, your opinion would be appreciated.

Yeah I knew it was an overkill, but I thought that I could switch the 2 receivers out from time to time. However, wouldn't the 254 work just fine with the 162's? See I did intend to watch movies, videos and clips on the monitor screen. And, this receiver has Dolby virtual sound as well as the 3490.

I figured you bought the 254 to upgrade to surround at a later date. I bought my 247 when I only had two P362B's. Now, I have a center, a sub, etc.

I figured you bought the 254 to upgrade to surround at a later date. I bought my 247 when I only had two P362B's. Now, I have a center, a sub, etc.

Sorry, I added more to the quote. No, I have had 7.1 for 3 years. The last set up was a THIB Onkyo and was great for what it was, but I need a better quality sound, that is why, for the money, I purchased the Primus line. Have to more slowly into the budget, since my wife is the budgeteer!! The quote above tells a little more to what I got the 254 for. I really want a little theater in the office among other things and with the price, it was hard to pass up. I just need to learn how to configure it with the monitor and puter. It has HDMI video card. Seems that the 254 on screen menu is the only way. As I said before for this monitor I will need a HDMI from 254 to DVI/HDMI plug adaptor on the monitor to hook up . I am still researching the options. It seems to me it would be the same thing as a HT setup. Am I wrong?

It's a home theater setup the instant you play a movie whether it's stereo, 5.1, etc.

If you mean HTPC, yeah. The fun part is the sound. You can use HDMI/DVI for video, but for audio your best bet will be to use coax/optical out of your soundcard. It won't give you multichannel lossless, but you only need stereo PCM right now so you're good.

It's a home theater setup the instant you play a movie whether it's stereo, 5.1, etc.

If you mean HTPC, yeah. The fun part is the sound. You can use HDMI/DVI for video, but for audio your best bet will be to use coax/optical out of your soundcard. It won't give you multichannel lossless, but you only need stereo PCM right now so you're good.

Thanks!!! It seems that if HDMI comes from the PC to receiver only for video to monitor via DVI/HDMI adaptor, right?

I may have a similar issue with my TV so you may be right in this issue. Before when we had Directv HDMI came from the box and transmitted both video and audio thru HDMI, but since we have switched to comast (with no box), it doesn't. I have to use a optical/HDMI, unless, of course the hookup is incorrect.

The PC only has stereo plug out, so I guess that could go into the stereo plug in the back of the 254. Not sure I will be pleased with this setup. i am getting bogged down with this issue. My son just told me that I would need to get a better sound card with optical, HDMI or coax.

Thanks for bailing me out. I gave credit to Joseph at Infinity Classics Group at Yahoo in my original post. He claims it tightened up the bass. For sure they won't fall down as easily. I'm not convinced yet about floor coupling and spikes, especially on carpet. But who would use spikes on nice hardwood anyway? I used to use them on my Infinity Overture 3s and DefTech sub, but it was too difficult to move the speakers so I removed them. For the life of me I couldn't hear any difference. Ears more well-trained than mine (only 50 years playing live music) might notice some subtle difference.

Me too. I love spikes on carpet because they dig through the pad. Now my speakers are very stable in case my 2-year-old daughter decides to pound on 'em! But, I can't say I expected or heard any audible change.

Thanks!!! It seems that if HDMI comes from the PC to receiver only for video to monitor via DVI/HDMI adaptor, right?

I may have a similar issue with my TV so you may be right in this issue. Before when we had Directv HDMI came from the box and transmitted both video and audio thru HDMI, but since we have switched to comast (with no box), it doesn't. I have to use a optical/HDMI, unless, of course the hookup is incorrect.

The PC only has stereo plug out, so I guess that could go into the stereo plug in the back of the 254. Not sure I will be pleased with this setup. i am getting bogged down with this issue. My son just told me that I would need to get a better sound card with optical, HDMI or coax.

Your son is correct unless you want to use the sound cards DAC's. You can use the stereo from the computer with a simple mini-stereo plug to dual (left/right) RCA adapter.

for just straight stereo sound, there isn't much need for HDMI. Why the HK 3490 is interesting is the optical input. Most modern computers (and sound cards) now include optical out for audio, so you can do stereo PCM to the receiver for direct digital transfer. For stereo audio, there is no true need for it to decode Dolby TrueHD, etc, etc. Now if in the future you're slowly lining up for a 5.1, 7.1, etc, the HK 254 makes sense. If you're going to run strictly stereo, I'd certainly go stereo receiver with optical out, and continue running DVI from your computer (or HDMI -> DVI if you must).

If you're upgrading your sound card, I'd recommend this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271003
HT Omega Claro+ which does 24/192

for a little cheaper, maybe this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271001
HT Omega Striker which is 24/96

Your son is correct unless you want to use the sound cards DAC's. You can use the stereo from the computer with a simple mini-stereo plug to dual (left/right) RCA adapter.

I am not sure if he knows how to use the sound cards DAC's, but I will ask. thanks for the imput.:rolleyes:

I assume this will be a digital signal, correct?

for just straight stereo sound, there isn't much need for HDMI. Why the HK 3490 is interesting is the optical input. Most modern computers (and sound cards) now include optical out for audio, so you can do stereo PCM to the receiver for direct digital transfer. For stereo audio, there is no true need for it to decode Dolby TrueHD, etc, etc. Now if in the future you're slowly lining up for a 5.1, 7.1, etc, the HK 254 makes sense. If you're going to run strictly stereo, I'd certainly go stereo receiver with optical out, and continue running DVI from your computer (or HDMI -> DVI if you must).

If you're upgrading your sound card, I'd recommend this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271003
HT Omega Claro+ which does 24/192

for a little cheaper, maybe this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271001
HT Omega Striker which is 24/96

Kniob, I have a new GF9500 video card, but I am not sure of the sound card, I think it an onboard one. However, I did see Some ASUS/Nvidia SCs that had optical. Also I read somewhere and have understood that optical carries DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 . Am I correct? In my case, I am currently interested in stereo for now. I'll be looking at some video cards with optical and do some more research, but for now I will get the DVI/HDMI adaptor and stereo cable for sound and see if that will work. The HDMI interest was mainly for video anyway. I was hoping it would carry sound as well. It is interesting how it does with my other components hooked up to the onkyo.

I am not sure if he knows how to use the sound cards DAC's, but I will ask. thanks for the imput.:rolleyes:

I assume this will be a digital signal, correct?

What I meant by that is that you will get usually much better sound from an optical or coax output with a digital signal from the computer into the receiver rather than analog from the computer into the receiver via stereo RCA jacks. Most soundcards under $300 don't have the greatest DACs. It's better to use the DACs in the receiver.

Yep, optical can carry DTS 5.0/5.1/6.1, DD 5.1/5.0/2.0 as well as two channel PCM.

What I meant by that is that you will get usually much better sound from an optical or coax output with a digital signal from the computer into the receiver rather than analog from the computer into the receiver via stereo RCA jacks. Most soundcards under $300 don't have the greatest DACs. It's better to use the DACs in the receiver.

Yep, optical can carry DTS 5.0/5.1/6.1, DD 5.1/5.0/2.0 as well as two channel PCM.

That is what I am getting so far, but also would require buying a sound card, since my new motherboard has an onboard one that doesn't have optical. However, I am reading and found some info about PC/HDMI/audio, so I will pursue that a bit and see what happens. I just spoke to Harmon audio and he said there is a possibility. I just found a S/PDIF digital audio cable that is suppose to connect the sound card to the graphics card in the pc. Wow, this is interesting and confusing. I will have to communicate with my son about this one. For now I am attempting to hook up as is.

Thanks for your imput!

Hey guys, got a question here. I am looking at at a new living room system and I am definitely sold on the P362 fronts (currently have the 162s in another room). However, I don't understand the overwhelming consensus here about the use of the C350 center channel over the C250... In my case, I want to install the center channel in one of the doors of the TV stand, on the top shelf (behind speaker mesh). I would not be able to fit the C350 there, because of the width. My install of the center channel needs to be stealthy, as my wife will already be a hard sell on the presence of the 362s. Now my understanding of the duty of the center channel is that it carries primarily voices. If that is true, and with its (2) 5 1/2" mids, why would it not be a good match for the P362s??? Volume, frequency.... Please help me understand.

Then, assuming the C250 will work, where can I get it cheapest? Seems you cannot get them on ebay through the Harman store any longer now, so where can I get them for a reasonable price?

Same question for the P362s...

Thanks in advance for the advice and suggestions.

BTW, the receiver I have is a Denon AVR-987.

Hey guys, got a question here. I am looking at at a new living room system and I am definitely sold on the P362 fronts (currently have the 162s in another room). However, I don't understand the overwhelming consensus here about the use of the C350 center channel over the C250... In my case, I want to install the center channel in one of the doors of the TV stand, on the top shelf (behind speaker mesh). I would not be able to fit the C350 there, because of the width. My install of the center channel needs to be stealthy, as my wife will already be a hard sell on the presence of the 362s. Now my understanding of the duty of the center channel is that it carries primarily voices. If that is true, and with its (2) 5 1/2" mids, why would it not be a good match for the P362s??? Volume, frequency.... Please help me understand.

Then, assuming the C250 will work, where can I get it cheapest? Seems you cannot get them on ebay through the Harman store any longer now, so where can I get them for a reasonable price?

Same question for the P362s...

Thanks in advance for the advice and suggestions.

BTW, the receiver I have is a Denon AVR-987.
The P362s can be had from The Audio Video Source (http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/InfinityPrimus.html) for $149 each with free shipping. Thats about as good as it gets unless someone puts up a pair on ebay.

If you are looking for a sub and don't want to spend a bunch they have the PS212 on sale also. I have one and am about to go back to the website and grab another one. They are very good subs - especially for $229 with free shipping.

You don't understand consensus? The C350 is a better speaker - period - for the same reason you want the 362s instead of the 252s - they sound better.

Harman Audio (http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/default.asp?status=C&cat=CCS&market=HOM)has the C250. Price is a mite high.

Hey guys, got a question here. I am looking at at a new living room system and I am definitely sold on the P362 fronts (currently have the 162s in another room). However, I don't understand the overwhelming consensus here about the use of the C350 center channel over the C250... In my case, I want to install the center channel in one of the doors of the TV stand, on the top shelf (behind speaker mesh). I would not be able to fit the C350 there, because of the width. My install of the center channel needs to be stealthy, as my wife will already be a hard sell on the presence of the 362s. Now my understanding of the duty of the center channel is that it carries primarily voices. If that is true, and with its (2) 5 1/2" mids, why would it not be a good match for the P362s??? Volume, frequency.... Please help me understand.

Then, assuming the C250 will work, where can I get it cheapest? Seems you cannot get them on ebay through the Harman store any longer now, so where can I get them for a reasonable price?

Same question for the P362s...

Thanks in advance for the advice and suggestions.

BTW, the receiver I have is a Denon AVR-987.

Most would agree that the center is the most important speaker in a home theater setup, thus people will recommend the best matching center for the p362's.

I have the pc350, yes its huge, and i too had no room in my tv stand. But I just moved my ps3 to the side of the tv stand to make room.

I say just get the pc350, your wife will get over it eventually.

Crutchfield has the Primus line for sale, but the center PC350 is $199.99.

The P362s can be had from The Audio Video Source (http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/InfinityPrimus.html) for $149 each with free shipping.

Hi, I went to their website but they want to charge over $60 shipping. Is there a coupon for free shipping? Thanks!

Hi, I went to their website but they want to charge over $60 shipping. Is there a coupon for free shipping? Thanks!
Looks like that free shipping ended yesterday. Damn - I was looking at picking up another sub from them - the PS212 to go with the one I have.

Try emailing them and see if they will extend the free shipping - I had that sub in the cart last night and decided to wait a day.:(

Thats what I get for dallying. :D

Denon AVR-1910 arrived yesterday-- and it was a complete pain in the ass to setup :eek: thank god for batpig's "Denon-to-English" website.

Anyways, after the pain of setting it all up, I must say it sounds wonderful. DynamicEQ and Dynamic Volume are god sends for listening to movies quieter at night :D certainly brings out the best in the Infinities.

Denon AVR-1910 arrived yesterday-- and it was a complete pain in the ass to setup :eek: thank god for batpig's "Denon-to-English" website.

Anyways, after the pain of setting it all up, I must say it sounds wonderful. DynamicEQ and Dynamic Volume are god sends for listening to movies quieter at night :D certainly brings out the best in the Infinities.

Told Ya!!!!! should of got a HK He He!!!:rolleyes: The wife and I were watching "Knowing" with Nicholas Cage" last night an intense thriller, or at least to us and the effects in this movie are superb, the ending was lame!! At least to us. Of course, this is with the 806, not the 254. Still waiting for sound card with optical for the H/K254 for the PC.

The bluray movie was DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 and the infinities really shined through. I put THX Ultra Cinema/DynamicEQ and Volume, (I like them both on) and it is truly an experience, one is totally engulfed in the effects and the music, and the clarity, well I didn't hear any distortion. I had it up painfully loud! I can really tell the difference in comparison with pandora. I don't know how they produced the destruction scene at the end, it must have been a lot of work!

We have also been watching the series....'Kidnapped' and 'Jerico' streaming/Netflix and I must say in 'HD', I was very surprised, and amazed at the clarity and 5.1 sound was great. Two incredible series a must to see.

The primuses are constantly surprising me. It was High Definition!!! I just wished I could have waited for th OPPO player... Oh well!

Good luck with your Denon, they are great receivers!

Told Ya!!!!! should of got a HK He He!!!:rolleyes: The wife and I were watching "Knowing" with Nicholas Cage" last night an intense thriller, or at least to us and the effects in this movie are superb, the ending was lame!! At least to us. Of course, this is with the 806, not the 254. Still waiting for sound card with optical for the H/K254 for the PC.

The bluray movie was DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 and the infinities really shined through. I put THX Ultra Cinema/DynamicEQ and Volume, (I like them both on) and it is truly an experience, one is totally engulfed in the effects and the music, and the clarity, well I didn't hear any distortion. I had it up painfully loud! I can really tell the difference in comparison with pandora. I don't know how they produced the destruction scene at the end, it must have been a lot of work!

We have also been watching the series....'Kidnapped' and 'Jerico' streaming/Netflix and I must say in 'HD', I was very surprised, and amazed at the clarity and 5.1 sound was great. Two incredible series a must to see.

The primuses are constantly surprising me. It was High Definition!!! I just wished I could have waited for th OPPO player... Oh well!

Good luck with your Denon, they are great receivers!

Jericho IS awesome..it's a shame they ended it...they actually cut it off after 1 or 1.5 seasons...and then they brought it back after the fans sent tons of peanuts (you'll get the reference after you watch it...) to their corporate office in NYC. Pretty awesome!

Let me know what you all think about this set-up I am debating.

2 Infinity Primus P362 main towers (149.99 ea)
2 Infinity Primus P162 rear bookshelves (69.99 ea)
1 Infinity Primus C350 center channel (149.99)
I Infinity PS-212 sub (229.99)

Plus about $110 in shipping.

How would this be for a home theater set-up primarily for movies/tv with some music every once in awhile. It would go along with my Denon AVR-790.

If anyone has any experience with these that they would like to share, I would great appreciate it. Also, if you know of better prices, please let me know, I am already over budget and my fiance will be upset!

Let me know what you all think about this set-up I am debating.

2 Infinity Primus P362 main towers (149.99 ea)
2 Infinity Primus P162 rear bookshelves (69.99 ea)
1 Infinity Primus C350 center channel (149.99)
I Infinity PS-212 sub (229.99)

Plus about $110 in shipping.

How would this be for a home theater set-up primarily for movies/tv with some music every once in awhile. It would go along with my Denon AVR-790.

If anyone has any experience with these that they would like to share, I would great appreciate it. Also, if you know of better prices, please let me know, I am already over budget and my fiance will be upset!

Should prove to be a satisfying surround system. What specifically are you debating about?
My advice would be to rtake full advantage of what you're purchasing by setting them up properly in the room. Harman's own recomendation is my favorite (see attached).

Where are the 162s going (wall, bookshelf, stands)? Some still say surround speakers should be higher than ear level for movies. Since you will not be listening to much music, and if it's an option, you may want to consider having them higher up, particularly if they are going to be close to the listening area.

Hi, I went to their website but they want to charge over $60 shipping. Is there a coupon for free shipping? Thanks!

I emailed them on Monday about that. I had a sub - the PS212 in the cart and it showed no shipping charges - the note on the side showed the final amount charged with an * stating "shipping and handling included". I didn't pull the trigger - wanting to think about it. They said in a email that it was a 'glitch' in their shopping cart system and I would never have gotten free shipping.
So, my mistake - partially - and partially theirs. Yes - their shipping is a bit high.

And I would have bought the PS212 had they given me free shipping. As it is I bought an Elemental Designs A5-350 - I just have to wait for a few weeks.:mad: Its all good though - I still have my current PS212 - they are a very good sub and especially for the prices Audio Video is charging. Nearly ended up with 2 of them. Now the PS212 will go in the bedroom setup.


Let me know what you all think about this set-up I am debating.

2 Infinity Primus P362 main towers (149.99 ea)
2 Infinity Primus P162 rear bookshelves (69.99 ea)
1 Infinity Primus C350 center channel (149.99)
I Infinity PS-212 sub (229.99)

Plus about $110 in shipping.

How would this be for a home theater set-up primarily for movies/tv with some music every once in awhile. It would go along with my Denon AVR-790.

If anyone has any experience with these that they would like to share, I would great appreciate it. Also, if you know of better prices, please let me know, I am already over budget and my fiance will be upset!

The only thing I own on that list is the PS212. If you want to get a better sub try buying one of the L8400s that Harman is selling on ebay - or the Infinity SW12 - both are awesome subs. Nothing wrong with the PS212 however - I've owned one for a year now and love it - but I've wanted a bigger output sub for a while and had the money so I bought the eD A5-350. That should loosen the paint on the walls.

It looks like you are on track for setting up a very good system - I say go for it.

I would get P152's for the surrounds and use the extra money you save on a better sub. eD, SVD, HSU, ect.

I would get P152's for the surrounds and use the extra money you save on a better sub. eD, SVD, HSU, ect.
At current prices the 162s will only cost 20$ a pair more and have much better bass - that won't buy much more sub - and the PS212 isn't all that bad as subs go - I have one.
But I do agree about the sub - if the OP can swing it buy an eD sub - great sounding sub. Hey - I just bought one myself!

How does the Primus PC350 center and P362 floor stack up against BIC Acoustech PL-76 Floor and BIC Acoustech PL-26 Center Speakers? They are both similarly priced, and both very close on paper. Has anyone heard these two side by side?

Which one would you plunk you greenbacks on?

How does the Primus PC350 center and P362 floor stack up against BIC Acoustech PL-76 Floor and BIC Acoustech PL-26 Center Speakers? They are both similarly priced, and both very close on paper. Has anyone heard these two side by side?

Which one would you plunk you greenbacks on?
Bic makes some well received speakers. Thats a tough question to answer unless you've heard both. I've only heard the 162s in a less than great environment and was impressed with the sound - the highs were (nearly) as good as the Betas - but thats something I'm used to as I own Beta 20s and the Beta C360 center and use them with my Infinity Interlude IL40s - kissing cousins to the Betas as they all use the same CMMD drivers developed by Infinity back in the Prelude MTS days - absolutely wonderful sounding speakers.

Anyway the Primus line has a great following - Infinity seems to have a great formula for putting great sound out at a decent price. At MSRP the BIC would probably win the battle. At the bargain basement prices of the Primus these days it seems to be a safe bet to go for the Primus speakers.

question for primus 360/362 owners: does anyone use a separate amp to drive their speakers? i've been reading the emotiva thread and was curious if anyone had used one of their amps with the 360/362 speakers. if so, what kind of results have you had? i have a pioneer vsx816 avr. i mostly listen to music (sacd & dvd-a).

thanks

question for primus 360/362 owners: does anyone use a separate amp to drive their speakers? i've been reading the emotiva thread and was curious if anyone had used one of their amps with the 360/362 speakers. if so, what kind of results have you had? i have a pioneer vsx816 avr. i mostly listen to music (sacd & dvd-a).

thanks

Total overkill for this application. Will do absolutely nothing to improve sound quality. I have actually owned the 816 and it did a very good job. I used to have a bi-amped rig with Parasound PLD2000 pre and two HCA-1000A's and when I switched that out with 60 watt integrateds there was no difference, particularly with easy loads like the 360. See how easy Harman makes it? Just listen and enjoy. :)

How does the Primus PC350 center and P362 floor stack up against BIC Acoustech PL-76 Floor and BIC Acoustech PL-26 Center Speakers? They are both similarly priced, and both very close on paper. Has anyone heard these two side by side?

Which one would you plunk you greenbacks on?

In what way are they close on paper? There is no way in the world a BIC product (BIC!!! c'mon people!) performs like a Harman product. I'm feeling a little woozy.

Let me know what you all think about this set-up I am debating.

2 Infinity Primus P362 main towers (149.99 ea)
2 Infinity Primus P162 rear bookshelves (69.99 ea)
1 Infinity Primus C350 center channel (149.99)
I Infinity PS-212 sub (229.99)

Plus about $110 in shipping.

How would this be for a home theater set-up primarily for movies/tv with some music every once in awhile. It would go along with my Denon AVR-790.

If anyone has any experience with these that they would like to share, I would great appreciate it. Also, if you know of better prices, please let me know, I am already over budget and my fiance will be upset!

Read the primus owners thread. You've hit on one of the best values in audio today.

In what way are they close on paper? There is no way in the world a BIC product (BIC!!! c'mon people!) performs like a Harman product. I'm feeling a little woozy.

Plus, madscientist74, what measurements are you comparing? I don't know about BIC, but while Harman is somewhat of an open book about its testing mnethodolgy, they don't publish detailed measurements of their speakers. You have to look at magazine measurements . . . which are far from unassailable. Anyway, I have to ditto markwriter: while the results may be close, I would be shocked to learn that BIC's R&D is comparable.

Total overkill for this application. Will do absolutely nothing to improve sound quality. I have actually owned the 816 and it did a very good job. I used to have a bi-amped rig with Parasound PLD2000 pre and two HCA-1000A's and when I switched that out with 60 watt integrateds there was no difference, particularly with easy loads like the 360. See how easy Harman makes it? Just listen and enjoy. :)

thanks for the response. i've been very happy with these speakers but if there's a way to improve the sound in a reasonable manner, i'm always curious to explore it. actually, the next move i want to make is a new sub. i currently have the TSS1100 sub. for a htib sub, it's not bad but i'd like to go with a svs pc12 plus for some real kick.

thanks for the response. i've been very happy with these speakers but if there's a way to improve the sound in a reasonable manner, i'm always curious to explore it. actually, the next move i want to make is a new sub. i currently have the TSS1100 sub. for a htib sub, it's not bad but i'd like to go with a svs pc12 plus for some real kick.

Suggestions: listen at night -- lower ambient noise reveals a lot of detail

Imaging:
Set up the L, R and listening position in an equilateral triangle [speakers toed slightly in towards me]. Put on some neutral program material with vocals and listen to how natural it sounds. Adjust the wall to speaker [L and R together] distance until the lower registers of the vocals sound reasonably natural. Put on some material with a dead centered vocal and move the speakers forward or backward about a ½ inch at a time [not changing toe in] until the lower and mid frequencies of the vocals are coming dead center between the speakers. For instance, if the vocal is pulled slightly to the left of center than push the L speaker back. When the lows and mids are well centered then listen to the highs in the vocal. To balance the highs to the center, adjust the speaker toe in. If the highs in the vocal are pulling to the L then slightly toe the L speaker out [or the R speaker in] and re-listen. Setting up in this manner can dramatically improve the soundstage.

After doing the above, experiment with 0 degrees toe in versus varying degrees of toe in.

You may end up with the speakers not visually symmetric in the room. This drives some people nuts but the thing to understand is that no two loudspeakers have exactly the same response. All loudspeakers have a production tolerance and the resulting setup from this method will help to balance that. You are using the distance between listener to speaker to balance offsets in the level of the lows and mids from L to R speaker. Use toe in to balance the slight offsets in level of the highs at the listening position. You may also need to experiment with wider versus closer together placement to dial in the soundstage. Have fun…

hey guys, i was wondering if u guys could help me find the p362 at the lowest price possible. my budget is like 300$ so far the cheepest i have found is 149each at the audio video source. but then shipping breaks me.(if the price is above 300 by like 50$ i will buy it) i havent heard them but from the way everyone praises them, its like blind love to me.they will be used for 100%music in my room. i am new to all this so i need ur guys expertise.
these speakrs are great for music rite?

p.s. they will be hooked up to a denon 1709 reciever.
please help i want to order the speakers so there here by friday..

thanks in advance everyone

hey guys, i was wondering if u guys could help me find the p362 at the lowest price possible. my budget is like 300$ so far the cheepest i have found is 149each at the audio video source. but then shipping breaks me.(if the price is above 300 by like 50$ i will buy it) i havent heard them but from the way everyone praises them, its like blind love to me.they will be used for 100%music in my room. i am new to all this so i need ur guys expertise.
these speakrs are great for music rite?

p.s. they will be hooked up to a denon 1709 reciever.
please help i want to order the speakers so there here by friday..

thanks in advance everyone

What city are you in?

Let me know what you all think about this set-up I am debating.

2 Infinity Primus P362 main towers (149.99 ea)
2 Infinity Primus P162 rear bookshelves (69.99 ea)
1 Infinity Primus C350 center channel (149.99)
I Infinity PS-212 sub (229.99)

Plus about $110 in shipping.

How would this be for a home theater set-up primarily for movies/tv with some music every once in awhile. It would go along with my Denon AVR-790.

If anyone has any experience with these that they would like to share, I would great appreciate it. Also, if you know of better prices, please let me know, I am already over budget and my fiance will be upset!
$110 for shipping isn't that bad. The sub alone would be about $45 for me to ship across country. I know - I sell stuff on ebay all the time.

I have the PS212 - while there are better subs available - for that price I can tell you that you won't find a better sub. I'm quite happy with it. Well - I did order an Elemental Designs sub last week. :D
I needed a sub in the bedroom and the PS212 should peel the paint quite nicely.

The price for those speakers/sub is an excellent deal unless Harman starts selling them on ebay again, which I doubt they will - looks as if they are out of them.

What city are you in?

st.louis ,missouri

We're moving into a condo in a new city and we're looking to sell our entire HT which includes 4- P362 floorstand speakers and the P350 center (and an Onkyo 876 and eD A2-300 sub)...

Other than craigslist, what would you guys suggest?

We're moving into a condo in a new city and we're looking to sell our entire HT which includes 4- P362 floorstand speakers and the P350 center (and an Onkyo 876 and eD A2-300 sub)...

Other than craigslist, what would you guys suggest?

Ebay and audiogon.com

We're moving into a condo in a new city and we're looking to sell our entire HT which includes 4- P362 floorstand speakers and the P350 center (and an Onkyo 876 and eD A2-300 sub)...

Other than craigslist, what would you guys suggest?

Out of curiosity, where do you live? ;)

We're moving into a condo in a new city and we're looking to sell our entire HT which includes 4- P362 floorstand speakers and the P350 center (and an Onkyo 876 and eD A2-300 sub)...

Other than craigslist, what would you guys suggest?

where are you located?

We currently are in sunny Las Vegas and moving to Denver.

Just a FYI...the system is only a handful of months old, in pristine condition and EVERYTHING has all the original boxes etc, so I don't mind shipping, but obv that would have to be paid for too.

PM me guys if you guys are interested. I don't want to clutter the thread, thanks!

urgghh, i can't believe these things were $99 at Frys last month. why oh why am i just now discovering them :(

urgghh, i can't believe these things were $99 at Frys last month. why oh why am i just now discovering them :(

Patience, Dude. I ignored the earlier Fry's sales. The folks on Audioholics schooled me. I then bought a pair last summer.

Patience, Dude. I ignored the earlier Fry's sales. The folks on Audioholics schooled me. I then bought a pair last summer.

Ahhh there's some hope for us procrastinators...:) Are these Sales available on Fry's online too??
TIA

Ahhh there's some hope for us procrastinators...:) Are these Sales available on Fry's online too??
TIA

the sale price was on fry's online, but for in-store pickup only. That's how I got mine.

the closest fry's to me is in another state, about 2 hours away. i called them yesterday to see if they had some and what the price was... currently they are $299 each, lol.

the sale price was on fry's online, but for in-store pickup only. That's how I got mine.
On the Frys thing, if you were one of the first people they had a limited amount they shipped, I actually got a pair online shipped from frys the last sale they had, I think it was something like 19 bucks a piece for shipping so 120 each or 240 shipped. Funny thing is you had to order each seperate or shipping was going to be like 90 dollars instead of 38......... go figure.

the sale price was on fry's online, but for in-store pickup only. That's how I got mine.

Ugh that sucks.. I am in the east coast.

Should I go ahead and order the "B-stock" ones from audiovideosource?? Or else should I go with the NEW Mirage 550's on sale at Vanns?? I am not a hardcore audiophile but just want to get a pair of decent speakers after having a HTB for almost 10 years.

Appreciate any advice.
Thanks

Ugh that sucks.. I am in the east coast.

Should I go ahead and order the "B-stock" ones from audiovideosource?? Or else should I go with the NEW Mirage 550's on sale at Vanns?? I am not a hardcore audiophile but just want to get a pair of decent speakers after having a HTB for almost 10 years.

Appreciate any advice.
Thanks

I've gotten a number of b-stock Primus's, and they've all been great. I'd definitely go for the 362's. The P362's are a special speaker -- the 550 is not. The audiovideosource is a good place to buy.

the sale price was on fry's online, but for in-store pickup only. That's how I got mine.


So...how's the Denon working out with the Primuses? I thought I would ask since you have had some time tweaking. I am now considering the 3490 with the 162s. Think it will be enough power? I don't know and am not familiar with any other units that I can trust. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

By the way I was listening to 'Pure Audio' mode and, as i have said before it is as originally recorded. It really sounds great with all the front speakers, I thought!!! I honestly thought that I was listening to all three 2-362s and 350, but, I didn't realize that it was just the 362s, the 350 was silent. Wow what a surprise, they were so powerful that it appeared the whole center stage was lit up with surround sound. They surprise me every day!!!

I have a blow Infinity ps10 :( It was turning itself on and off about every 2 seconds so I turned it off for a few days. I decided to take it apart and upon closer inspection I noticed on the bottom of the amp circuirt board what appears to be a burnt up diode. Any ideas where to look for a replacment board without spening darn near enough for a new/better sub? Thanks in advance for all/any help!!

Thanks for the responses to my question earlier. I have been reading these posts and feel better able to make the plunge.

These are the specs on the BIC's vs the Primus.

BIC Acoustech PL-76 Floor Speakers
Drivers: Two high power 6.5-inch poly-injected woofers with butyl rubber surrounds, one 6.5-inch mid/high frequency aluminum dome horn with neodymium magnet
Design: Video-shielded 2-way horn tower with dual 6.5-inch woofers
Frequency Response: 30Hz-23kHz
Impedance: 8 ohms
Gold-plated Terminals: Yes
Magnetic Shielding: Yes
Power: 10-200 watts/channel RMS; 500 watts peak
Sensitivity: 96dB at 1 watt/meter
Dimensions: 40 inches high x 9 inches wide x 8 inches deep each
Weight: 27 pounds each

Infinity Primus P362 Floor

Enclosure Bass Reflex
Tweeter Dome
Midrange size (inches) 4
Woofer size (inches) 6-1/2
Woofer Composition M.M.D.
Woofer Surround Rubber
Built-in Powered Sub No
Video-Shielded Yes
Connector Type 5-way posts
Bi-amp Inputs No
Parts Warranty 5 Years
Labor Warranty 5 Years
Power Range 10-200
Frequency Response 38-20k Hz
Sensitivity 93 dB
Impedance (Ohms) 8
Amplifier Power ---
Height (inches) 40-5/16
Width (inches) 9-1/8
Depth (inches) 13

At least on paper, they appear very similar. But this is a Primus owners thread, so I guess things will be more slighted towards them. Still, I want to hear all sides before I decide.

Thanks for the responses to my question earlier. I have been reading these posts and feel better able to make the plunge.

These are the specs on the BIC's vs the Primus.

BIC Acoustech PL-76 Floor Speakers
Drivers: Two high power 6.5-inch poly-injected woofers with butyl rubber surrounds, one 6.5-inch mid/high frequency aluminum dome horn with neodymium magnet
Design: Video-shielded 2-way horn tower with dual 6.5-inch woofers
Frequency Response: 30Hz-23kHz
Impedance: 8 ohms
Gold-plated Terminals: Yes
Magnetic Shielding: Yes
Power: 10-200 watts/channel RMS; 500 watts peak
Sensitivity: 96dB at 1 watt/meter
Dimensions: 40 inches high x 9 inches wide x 8 inches deep each
Weight: 27 pounds each

Infinity Primus P362 Floor

Enclosure Bass Reflex
Tweeter Dome
Midrange size (inches) 4
Woofer size (inches) 6-1/2
Woofer Composition M.M.D.
Woofer Surround Rubber
Built-in Powered Sub No
Video-Shielded Yes
Connector Type 5-way posts
Bi-amp Inputs No
Parts Warranty 5 Years
Labor Warranty 5 Years
Power Range 10-200
Frequency Response 38-20k Hz
Sensitivity 93 dB
Impedance (Ohms) 8
Amplifier Power ---
Height (inches) 40-5/16
Width (inches) 9-1/8
Depth (inches) 13

At least on paper, they appear very similar. But this is a Primus owners thread, so I guess things will be more slighted towards them. Still, I want to hear all sides before I decide.

These speakers are not in the same realm. Harman, Infinity's parent company, is one of the most advanced speaker building concerns on planet earth. BIC is, well... what is BIC?

I see what you're saying about the numbers looking similar, but the stuff you listed doesn't tell the story. It's sad that Infinity doesn't tell their story better, because they truly are world-class. Infinity/BIC shouldn't even be a question.

I have a blow Infinity ps10 :( It was turning itself on and off about every 2 seconds so I turned it off for a few days. I decided to take it apart and upon closer inspection I noticed on the bottom of the amp circuirt board what appears to be a burnt up diode. Any ideas where to look for a replacment board without spening darn near enough for a new/better sub? Thanks in advance for all/any help!!

I've read about the infinity subs going bad and not being able to find replacement parts for it.Hopefully someone will be able to help you out.

Hi guys,

Mark, not sure what happened with you selling your pair of 150s, never heard back from ya... But it's cool, because I actually did a little bit better. ;)

A little over a month ago, I thought may win 2 separate eBay auctions for 152s (1 from the Harman store), for under $100 total, but nope...

If I just would have checked sooner where I happened to think of a couple days later -- the regional Ultimate Electronics. They had new P152s for $49.91 (www.ultimateelectronics.com/product.php?id=INFP152)! :D (Only 1 store in the area showed them in stock; luckily the closest.) I jumped on them, thinking it was a temporary sale, but I see they've stayed that price. :)

Man those things seemed HUGE compared to the little 140s from the old Theater Pack at first. :eek: But got used to them quick and they look pretty "normal" on my almost-too-small stands (only rated for 10 pounds). I put 1 of the 140s in the back for 6.1.

Didn't get to use them much, as I finally found the problem with my Denon AVR that was making bitstream and PCM audio sound different (caused by having MultEQ enabled; see my recent posts in the Audyssey thread, etc. for more info), and had to send it off soon after for repair. Supposed to be back today though!

I did listen to some of the Sirius channels over Dish, in stereo mode, for several hours (each speaker) with the 140s a day or two before putting the new 152s in their place. They sound great to me, as expected, but so did the 140s I thought. Didn't really notice anything different that I could pick out -- running both with the same crossover, of course the 152s would produce more bass if I had compared as Large/no sub...

When I played one of the DVD movie scenes I'm pretty familiar with for the first time, my reaction was like "woah" about the seemingly bigger "size" of the sound, and greater dynamics, etc. BUT after a couple days passed and I played it a few more times (this was while trying to figure out my Denon problem), it did not seem that way, and I didn't feel that there was a major difference in what I was used to hearing, so maybe it was my imagination (but I know I was surprised at first). Or, maybe it was the AVR differences, where bitstream sounded much more dynamic than PCM, but I had used bitstream with the 140s as well, and fairly recently before the switch I think... :confused:


So that's my update! I would like to replace/upgrade that Theater Pack center (baby C25, so-called "C24") sometime if would help a bit as a closer match to the 152s, and I can get a good deal on a PC250. If the Harman eBay store ever puts more up (full of Infinity car stuff now! :(), some have gone for barely $50 shipped. :cool:

Also recently found out that the PC250 (and new Theater Pack II center) have keyhole mounting brackets now too, unlike the old centers, which could come in handy depending on what sort of stand setup I finally wind up with below the Kuro plasma (might try to make one). If there's not a good place to set the center, I think I can rig up something to hang it from the TV's wall mount plate (out from the wall). A hung shelf I figured with the current Pack center, but that would be a problem with the 18" wide PC250. After realizing it has the keyholes however, it could simply be mounted to some "hangers" on the TV's plate! :D

These speakers are not in the same realm. Harman, Infinity's parent company, is one of the most advanced speaker building concerns on planet earth. BIC is, well... what is BIC?

I see what you're saying about the numbers looking similar, but the stuff you listed doesn't tell the story. It's sad that Infinity doesn't tell their story better, because they truly are world-class. Infinity/BIC shouldn't even be a question.

markwriter, thanks for the response. :)I have not heard either speaker yet, but I am now seriously leaning towards Infinity. I did not know they were a subsidiary of Harman. I really like the look of the Infinity Primus speaker as well. Now I need to scour the net and find a good deal

markwriter, thanks for the response. :)I have not heard either speaker yet, but I am now seriously leaning towards Infinity. I did not know they were a subsidiary of Harman. I really like the look of the Infinity Primus speaker as well. Now I need to scour the net and find a good deal

Yeah, it's such a pedestrian brand name (they used to be in Circuit City!!) but the methodology they use to design and test the Primus's is just as sophisticated as anything on earth. They employ a staff headed by a Ph D. just to evaluate the sound quality of the speakers. That's staggering if you think about it. The engineers do their level best to get the speaker right, but then the speaker has to go through batterys of double-blind listening tests with trained listeners in order to see the light of day. The only thing I don't like about the Infinity Primus is that it's positioned as entry level. It's NOT an entry level speaker. If I were in charge over there I'd put a pretty wood veneer on them and charge $1000 a pair for them. They easily compete in that space.

You are just eat up with it, Mark....and I guess all we Primus owners are, because every word you said and have said, I might ad is right on with the Primuses and the Infinity Company!! I am just glad you are not in charge of them, because none of us could afford them...He He!!

But because I could afford them, I just keep on and keep on enjoying them. Just keep looking for a leak in their performance, but nope, can't find one anywhere!

They keep producing clean, celestial, entrancing, otherworldly, rapturous seraphic sounds!!! Sounds like Heaven doesn't, don't think they will need Primuses there, what do ya think!!:D

IMHO!!!

You are just eat up with it, Mark....and I guess all we Primus owners are, because every word you said and have said, I might ad is right on with the Primuses and the Infinity Company!! I am just glad you are not in charge of them, because none of us could afford them...He He!!

They keep producing clean, celestial, entrancing, otherworldly, rapturous seraphic sounds!!! Sounds like Heaven doesn't, don't think they will need Primuses there, what do ya think!!:D

IMHO!!!

Amen!

eh just need to make sure of something. Anyone using their Primus' with a PS3? Under the Music Settings there's an option to output at 44.1/88.2/176.4kKz, whenever you chose of those frequencies it gives you a message saying it could damage your speaker. Just need to know if using any of these frequencies could potentially damage my speakers. I'm using P362 towers

So I currently have as my HT setup:
Infinity 350 Center
some 'Precision Acoustics' (Best Buy's brand) Towers and bookshelfs, (fronts and surrounds)
an Infinity PS28 sub
a Polk PSW202 sub


I'm trying to go about replacing the Best Buy stuff with more Infinity, and I have the oppurtunity to get a pair of P152s for 175$, OR a pair of Alpha 20's for 175$. (I'm in Edmonton, AB, Canada)

Which pair would you folks recommend? They would be used for games and movies primarily. Do the Alpha 20's timbre-match with the Primus Center? What would give me the best overall quality?

So I currently have as my HT setup:
Infinity 350 Center
some 'Precision Acoustics' (Best Buy's brand) Towers and bookshelfs, (fronts and surrounds)
an Infinity PS28 sub
a Polk PSW202 sub


I'm trying to go about replacing the Best Buy stuff with more Infinity, and I have the oppurtunity to get a pair of P152s for 175$, OR a pair of Alpha 20's for 175$. (I'm in Edmonton, AB, Canada)

Which pair would you folks recommend? They would be used for games and movies primarily. Do the Alpha 20's timbre-match with the Primus Center? What would give me the best overall quality?

Alpha's did not go thru the sophisticated MLL R&D process, so the 152's are the way to go, no question.

Wow that was an amazingly fast response! Thank you :)
Advice taken, thanks again.

So I currently have as my HT setup:
Infinity 350 Center
some 'Precision Acoustics' (Best Buy's brand) Towers and bookshelfs, (fronts and surrounds)
an Infinity PS28 sub
a Polk PSW202 sub


I'm trying to go about replacing the Best Buy stuff with more Infinity, and I have the oppurtunity to get a pair of P152s for 175$, OR a pair of Alpha 20's for 175$. (I'm in Edmonton, AB, Canada)

Which pair would you folks recommend? They would be used for games and movies primarily. Do the Alpha 20's timbre-match with the Primus Center? What would give me the best overall quality?

And besides what Markwriter said 175 is way too much to pay for a pair of Alpha 20s. I use a really pristine pair as my home theater surrounds and got them a couple years ago for around 100 shipped on the 'bay. They are nice sounding speakers anyway.

And although buying a speaker that has been through Harman's wonderful testing procedure almost guarantees a very good sounding product, it doesn't mean that speakers, either Harman's or other brand's, that haven't, can't sound really fine as well.

Also good to know, thanks :)

edit: To clarify, those prices are in Canadian dollars. The only place I can find the P152's is Best Buy and they want 300$ for the pair. (And they won't price match against anything over the border).

Does anyone have any input regarding how the Alpha and Primus lines timbre-match? I'm inferring from Mark's post that they do not, is that correct?

So I take it these are still the best bang for the buck $200ish per speakers? I've been eyeing them both new and refurb at that "official" (really?) Site someone linked. I need to just pull the trigger!

Also good to know, thanks :)

edit: To clarify, those prices are in Canadian dollars. The only place I can find the P152's is Best Buy and they want 300$ for the pair. (And they won't price match against anything over the border).

Does anyone have any input regarding how the Alpha and Primus lines timbre-match? I'm inferring from Mark's post that they do not, is that correct?
I have the 350 withe 6 162 and it is great.
I would go with the Primus 162 crutchfields has them for 85 ea . and they are listed on amazon also.
have not heard the 152 but the 162 are pretty good.

Does anyone have any input regarding how the Alpha and Primus lines timbre-match? I'm inferring from Mark's post that they do not, is that correct?

I really doubt that they match at all. The Alpha series was designed and manufactured in Scandinavia for essentially the European market. Its boxes are reminiscent of the Interlude series. If they were designed to match anything prior to them it would probably be the earlier Prelude design or the Overtures, neither of which used the CMMD drivers. Before the Primus there was the Entra. I wish Infinity could just use a couple names, upgrade them as necessary, and avoid all this unnecessary confusion.

One neglected and aesthetically attractive design that doesn't get much attention is the Kappa series. It may have been designed for Europe as well. MW, did the Kappas undergo the rigors of Northridge?

So I currently have as my HT setup:
Infinity 350 Center
some 'Precision Acoustics' (Best Buy's brand) Towers and bookshelfs, (fronts and surrounds)
an Infinity PS28 sub
a Polk PSW202 sub


I'm trying to go about replacing the Best Buy stuff with more Infinity, and I have the oppurtunity to get a pair of P152s for 175$, OR a pair of Alpha 20's for 175$. (I'm in Edmonton, AB, Canada)

Which pair would you folks recommend? They would be used for games and movies primarily. Do the Alpha 20's timbre-match with the Primus Center? What would give me the best overall quality?
The Alpha's would be a great match to some of the other Infinity products such as the Interlude - Beta - and Prelude lines. All use the CMMD drivers vs the Primus using the MMD drivers.

I own a pair of Interludes - the IL40s and have them matched up with the Beta C360 center and Beta 20s for surrounds in my bedroom. Timbre match is not just close - its perfect.

FWIW I've heard the Primus P162s several times and was very impressed with the highs - almost as good as the CMMD 1" driver - the best I've ever heard in a tweeter.

Not looking to start anything here - just stating MHO.


I really doubt that they match at all. The Alpha series was designed and manufactured in Scandinavia for essentially the European market. Its boxes are reminiscent of the Interlude series. If they were designed to match anything prior to them it would probably be the earlier Prelude design or the Overtures, neither of which used the CMMD drivers.

Actually the Prelude line did use the CMMD drivers. Any 1" CMMD driver should timbre match with any other line using that same 1" CMMD driver. My setup is proof of that.
I doubt they'd match with a Primus - as you noted.

Actually the Prelude line did use the CMMD drivers. Any 1" CMMD driver should timbre match with any other line using that same 1" CMMD driver. My setup is proof of that.
I doubt they'd match with a Primus - as you noted.

I have Interludes as well and they match well with the Alpha 20s I use as surrounds. But since they aren't part of the front soundfield mix I don't know if the match is even close to ideal. I know it's better than the Cambridge Soundworks speakers that I used previously.

You're right about the Prelude MTS, but not the original Prelude P-FR to which I was referring. Sorry for the mixup. But if these are CMMD drivers I'll eat my hat. Oddly enough they aren't even the polypropylene drivers used in the Overture line.

http://potlach.org/2003/02/27/infinity-pfr/Front_no_grill_1.JPG

I have Interludes as well and they match well with the Alpha 20s I use as surrounds. But since they aren't part of the front soundfield mix I don't know if the match is even close to ideal. I know it's better than the Cambridge Soundworks speakers that I used previously.

You're right about the Prelude MTS, but not the original Prelude P-FR to which I was referring. Sorry for the mixup. But if these are CMMD drivers I'll eat my hat. Oddly enough they aren't even the polypropylene drivers used in the Overture line.


I can't remember ever hearing the Overture speakers. Infinity describes the tweeter as:

One 1" (25 mm) soft-dome, high-efficiency,
neodymium magnet, magneticallyshielded
tweeter.

Certainly not the ceramic driver of the CMMD line - a hard dome tweeter.

The first time I heard the Prelude MTS I wanted them. Too bad they had a price tag out of my reach - I was raising two kids at the time with more important priorities. They still fetch a good price on ebay and craigslist.

Later I heard the Interludes and remembering that distinctive tweeter - ended up with a pair of the IL50s and IL40s. The IL50s got sold a few years ago to my bass-head brother in law. They are still going strong - he loves them. I always liked the IL40s more - better mid range and less booming bass. The IL50s are simply an IL30 with a sub strapped to it.

Through the years in this hobby I've heard a lot of speakers and the Infinity lineup has always been among the leaders. My opinion is the 1" CMMD tweeter is as sweet as it gets - at low volume - trouble is they tend to break up some in the higher volumes. It sounds better at low volume than my Emotiva 8.3 speakers. I've heard a lot of speakers in 40+ years of listening and the CMMD tweeter is tops.

I can't remember ever hearing the Overture speakers. Infinity describes the tweeter as:

One 1" (25 mm) soft-dome, high-efficiency,
neodymium magnet, magneticallyshielded
tweeter.

Certainly not the ceramic driver of the CMMD line - a hard dome tweeter.



Here's an ad pic of the Overture 3s

http://i.ebayimg.com/09/!B(YoM2gB2k~$(KGrHgoOKjgEjlLmZRFRBKc!wQZ!r!~~_35.JPG

And here they are in my living room.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z281/gregsgoatfarm/DSCF3885a-1.jpg

They've been a part of our family for 10 years. Beautiful cherry finish, outstanding sound. Infinity may, may make better sounding speakers today. But somewhere along the line their design staff took a prolonged vacation.

I just got my new Onkyo TX-SR806 and I was initially planning on waiting to upgrade my speakers (currently a set of HTIB-type speakers) but I want to see what this thing can do right now. I have been thinking about setting up the following system:

Fronts: Primus 362s
Surrounds/Rears: Primus 162s
Sub: PS-212
Center : Primus 350 or another 362

From what I have read here, this is a highly recommended setup, my only question being is the 350 center better than another 362 tower? My understanding is a vertical is always better, but I could be wrong, what do you guys suggest?

From what I have read here, this is a highly recommended setup, my only question being is the 350 center better than another 362 tower? My understanding is a vertical is always better, but I could be wrong, what do you guys suggest?

I recommend the 362 as a center if space allows for it. It's what I did and couldn't be happier. My TV is mounted high enough on the wall so it's not a problem for me.

I just got my new Onkyo TX-SR806 and I was initially planning on waiting to upgrade my speakers (currently a set of HTIB-type speakers) but I want to see what this thing can do right now. I have been thinking about setting up the following system:

Fronts: Primus 362s
Surrounds/Rears: Primus 162s
Sub: PS-212
Center : Primus 350 or another 362

From what I have read here, this is a highly recommended setup, my only question being is the 350 center better than another 362 tower? My understanding is a vertical is always better, but I could be wrong, what do you guys suggest?

Yeah, the 362s are the way to go there! I have the 350 center and am very happy, but the 362 would make a good center if you have room for it. I also have the 806 and loving it. Could not be happier!!! Vertical is Vertical and horizontal is horizontal. Everything that I have read is that!! Not to change the way speakers were made to lay/stand.

Make sure you take full advantage of the Audyssey settings on the 806. They are incredible! Wouldn't have a receiver without the Multi-eq/dynamicEQ/volume. Of course THX Ultra2 Cinema/music. But, I never have hear the music part of it. Let me know if you get that to work.

And keep us updated on the setup!

I drove 2 hours each way to Frys to listen to the 362s this weekend. I was NOT disappointed. They were some of the cheapest towers in the demo room but absolutely destroyed nearly all of the others (a $1,000/each pair of Polks sounded about the same, maybe a little better.) The salesman fed me some "you have to spend $400+ each to get into the really nice sounding towers" but after switching back and forth from 362 to $600 tower back to 362 to $900 tower back to 362, etc. He just shut up and eventually walked off. There was no denying the 362s sounded better.

I drove 2 hours each way to Frys to listen to the 362s this weekend. I was NOT disappointed. They were some of the cheapest towers in the demo room but absolutely destroyed nearly all of the others (a $1,000/each pair of Polks sounded about the same, maybe a little better.) The salesman fed me some "you have to spend $400+ each to get into the really nice sounding towers" but after switching back and forth from 362 to $600 tower back to 362 to $900 tower back to 362, etc. He just shut up and eventually walked off. There was no denying the 362s sounded better.

The INFAMUS PRIMUS!!!!

Yeah, i went to BB and heard the Polks and they were great, but not like the Primuses. (IMO)

Man, that is what we have been saying all along in this thread the best sounding towers for the price!! As Markwriter had said all along...the best kept secret in the audio world...and we all don't understand how that can be. But for us budget minded people, well, the price allows us to afford a high end entry level speaker that would satisfy almost any audiophile!!

I drove 2 hours each way to Frys to listen to the 362s this weekend. I was NOT disappointed. They were some of the cheapest towers in the demo room but absolutely destroyed nearly all of the others (a $1,000/each pair of Polks sounded about the same, maybe a little better.) The salesman fed me some "you have to spend $400+ each to get into the really nice sounding towers" but after switching back and forth from 362 to $600 tower back to 362 to $900 tower back to 362, etc. He just shut up and eventually walked off. There was no denying the 362s sounded better.

So you bought some, right?

So you bought some, right?

I wish :mad: They are $299 each at Frys right now (I knew this before going.) They put them on sale for $99 a couple times a year, so I just have to wait it out. Crutchfield has them for $199 right now and honestly I was so impressed I might just end up buying them there or getting refurbed for $150+shipping from another site.

i want to upgrade my onkyo speakers (SKS-HT540)...i can't decide which set up i should go with

first option is
primus p362 x2
primus pc350
primus p152 x4

i can get those all at crutcfield for 879.93 with fee shipping

second option is
polk audio monitor 60 x2
polk audio cs2
polk audio monitor 30 x4

i can get all those at new egg for 649.95 with free shipping

just wondering if the infinity set up would be worth 230.00 more in performance

my gut is telling me it would just wanted to see what some else would say
both setups would be running off a Onkyo TX-SR606

i want to upgrade my onkyo speakers (SKS-HT540)...i can't decide which set up i should go with

first option is
primus p362 x2
primus pc350
primus p152 x4

i can get those all at crutcfield for 879.93 with fee shipping

second option is
polk audio monitor 60 x2
polk audio cs2
polk audio monitor 30 x4

i can get all those at new egg for 649.95 with free shipping

just wondering if the infinity set up would be worth 230.00 more in performance

my gut is telling me it would just wanted to see what some else would say
both setups would be running off a Onkyo TX-SR606

My primuses are the exact ones above with an 806 and I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER. As I said earlier Polks are great and I almost went with them. But, when I did my reasearch the Primuses really caught my eye and I think everyone here on this thread would definitely love to see you with those.

"The beauty and sound far outweighs the price paid" My wife always says will we even we remember how much something cost 1 year from now!!! The pain of the price paid seems to ease a bit once we've seen the product has been worth it.

With 2-362s/350/4-152s, you will truly have all the power and sound you will ever need! Believe me, I know with first hand experience, since I also had an Onkyo THIB before!

Good Luck!

By the way, she loves the primuses!!!:D

ok thanks the more i think about it the more i want the primuses

I wish :mad: They are $299 each at Frys right now (I knew this before going.) Crutchfield has them for $199 right now and honestly I was so impressed I might just end up buying them there or getting refurbed for $150+shipping from another site.

I was also waiting for the Fry's Sale for ever and finally decided to pull the trigger with theaudiovideosource folks. They seem to be pretty nice and in fact they "waived" the shipping for me. Please ask for Frank.

Awesome. I'd definitely go with them if I can get free shipping. What kind of condition were they in? I've heard people say they look brand new, but I guess I keep thinking about open box stuff from bb or cc that is abused and beat to hell :)

for 40.00 more at crutchfields I would go with the p 162 much better speaker and for only 40 more well worth it.

i want to upgrade my onkyo speakers (SKS-HT540)...i can't decide which set up i should go with

first option is
primus p362 x2
primus pc350
primus p152 x4

i can get those all at crutcfield for 879.93 with fee shipping

second option is
polk audio monitor 60 x2
polk audio cs2
polk audio monitor 30 x4

i can get all those at new egg for 649.95 with free shipping

just wondering if the infinity set up would be worth 230.00 more in performance

my gut is telling me it would just wanted to see what some else would say
both setups would be running off a Onkyo TX-SR606

Awesome. I'd definitely go with them if I can get free shipping. What kind of condition were they in? I've heard people say they look brand new, but I guess I keep thinking about open box stuff from bb or cc that is abused and beat to hell :)
I think those p362s on theaudiovideosource are acutally new based on their product description, I think their refurbs say 'premium select' in the item selection if they are refurbs. I'd call them and ask them, but $150 and free shipping would be a steal if you can get them to agree to that, great speaker.

I have a question about p362s towers, would consider them bright, laid back or neutral and thanks for the response

My current Paradigm CC350 is an old horizontal MTM. The off-axis dialog performance is absolutely abysmal. Therefore, I'm basing my ultimate decision around the best center channel for the money. The Primus C350 looks very attractive for the price, but I wonder how it compares to the JBL LC2.

Does anyone have experience with both speakers?

I also have 2 162s and they are great, but could not mount them because of their size. They would be great surrounds, but probably need to be on stands.

I did not want that because of the size the my room. All of my wiring is in the walls.

And....one would have to install speaker mounts which would corporately make a larger protrusion from the wall. The 162s are just too big to mount....IMHO!

On the other hand....;) The 152s have to nail/screw mounting brackets on the back, which made it easy with a flush mount.

Not to refute anyone, just my thoughts.:rolleyes:

I have a question about p362s towers, would consider them bright, laid back or neutral and thanks for the response

Check the thread, I think maybe markwriter, possibly has commented on this. I do know some ways back it has been brought up and addressed.

for 40.00 more at crutchfields I would go with the p 162 much better speaker and for only 40 more well worth it.
i was thinking about that but i need them to be able to mount to the wall and wasn't sure the p162 would be wall mountable

Awesome. I'd definitely go with them if I can get free shipping. What kind of condition were they in? I've heard people say they look brand new, but I guess I keep thinking about open box stuff from bb or cc that is abused and beat to hell :)

I did ask them whether they were refurbs before I ordered and I was told they
were new. And as far as I could tell they look new and didn't look like the crap some stores pass on as refurbs. Shipping was super fast and they shipped in ONE day.( NY to NJ that is).

I'll throw in another early vote for audiovideosource. I just ordered two 362s and a PC350 today. They were extremely friendly and helpful over the phone, had a good price, and I've already received the UPS tracking information that they're on their way!

I'll let you know more when I get them. So far, customer service has been excellent.

RE: Bright, neutral, or laid back. I personally think they're a bit brighter than my NHT superzeros (which I think are pretty laid back) but not harsh. Mind you one of the 362s I auditioned had a blown tweeter that the "salesman" didn't pick up on - but that's a whole other story. Certainly not as bright as most Klipshes I've heard. So my vote is for neutral (Skippy, not Jiff thank you very much).

Best,
Christopher

cool, thanks for the responses. their website is a bit weird, at the top of the page it says everything on this page is b-stock, but next to the speakers it says new :)

cool, thanks for the responses. their website is a bit weird, at the top of the page it says everything on this page is b-stock, but next to the speakers it says new :)

From theaudiovideosource's Infinity Primus page: "Please Note:
All Items featured on this page are Premium Select
Models. This means the item is considered B stock,
or refurbished, and has been careful examined to be
in perfect condition, both functionally and
cosmetically by trained professionals."


I was wondering about this as well, b/c I will most likely be buying me a pair of P362s and maybe a C350 within the next week. I wonder exactly what they mean by B stock? Returned, but not used or damaged? I doubt they are actually truly new, but are probably really close. I am torn between jumping on this, or playing the waiting game for maybe 1 last sale at Fry's.

I've been using a set of Infinity Entras in my system for about 8 years now, but lately I've been having a case of upgrade-itis. I had been using the Entra satellites as my surrounds but wanted to get something bigger, so I recently upgraded to a set of Primus 162's and was considering getting the 362 fronts and 350 center to match. However, I've been hesistant to pull the trigger b/c I'm worried that they would be somewhat of a downgrade since the Entras have CMMD drivers vs. the MMD drivers of the Primus line. I wasn't concerned w/ that so much for the 162's b/c I was just using them as rears. I've also considered returning the 162's and getting some Beta 20's as they also employ CMMD drivers, but cosmetically they don't really match b/c of the grills. And since I can't find Beta 40's anywhere, switching to an entire Beta system is out of the question. Any suggestions? Would I actually be downgrading that much if I went from CMMD drivers to MMD? I've been pretty happy w/ my fronts (they are the Entra Three's), but they don't have the midrange driver found in the Beta and Primus lines, so I just feel like they are somewhat lacking.

So I'm about to graduate grad school and wrote my thesis on the 362s. Well not really, but I kinda feel like it. Here is what I've come up with:

Currently
Frys $299 in store or plus about $18 per speaker shipping.
Crutchfield $199 on sale thru 9/19 (back to $330 after?) Free shipping over $249
theaudiovideosource $150 plus reasonable shipping. B-stock? New?

Fry's past sales
Oct ? 08 $99
Nov 29, 08 $119
Dec 30, 08 $119
Jan 31, 09 $129
March 18, 09 $129
July 1, 09 $99
shipping seems to average $18-$19 per speaker if you place separate orders. some people have had problems placing multiple orders.

So, it looks like it may be a while before another Fry's sale. And even if we get one later this year, they might be $129 or $119...

Overstock.com has just received a new shipment...

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Infinity-Primus-P362-Single-Tower-Speaker/2346641/product.html

$209
- 10% code = $188.10 out the door
or instead of the coupon you can do 12% cash back from microsoft

not too bad i guess, but would be better if you can find a 20-30% off code.

So I'm about to graduate grad school and wrote my thesis on the 362s. Well not really, but I kinda feel like it. Here is what I've come up with:

Currently
Frys $299 in store or plus about $18 per speaker shipping.
Crutchfield $199 on sale thru 9/19 (back to $330 after?) Free shipping over $249
theaudiovideosource $150 plus reasonable shipping. B-stock? New?

Fry's past sales
Oct ? 08 $99
Nov 29, 08 $119
Dec 30, 08 $119
Jan 31, 09 $129
March 18, 09 $129
July 1, 09 $99
shipping seems to average $18-$19 per speaker if you place separate orders. some people have had problems placing multiple orders.

So, it looks like it may be a while before another Fry's sale. And even if we get one later this year, they might be $129 or $119...

There is also bhphotovideo, who is also an authorized online dealer like Crutchfield. I think their prices are a little bit higher.

There is also the issue of each store's return policies to take into account. I know at Crutchfield, you have 30 days to return something, and you have to pay the return shipping. Not that big a deal. At theaudiovideosource you have to pay return shipping, plus go through the hassle of getting an RMA to return something, and on top of that I believe they may or may not charge you a restocking fee. I can't remember what bhphotovideo and Fry's return policies are, but I will check soon.

Of course, return policy doesn't really matter unless you receive something damaged. If you are like me, then you already know you want these specific speakers.....and from everything I have read, I seriously doubt we would be dissatisfied with them in any way (other than damage).

yea finally did it i ordered my setup of

p362x2
pc350
p152x4
i decided to go with the p152 instead of the p162 cause i need to put them on the wall and with he size of the 162 and the bt-77 brackets that would work with them they would stick out to far into the room given my room dimensions also with buying it all at one time the cost of the brackets at 69.99 a pair and 20 more for them i didnt want to spend the extra 160.00 but i think the p152 will be plenty for me for rears.

i went with crutchfield since i wanted to take advatage of the same as cash finanching

now just got to wait till the 16th to get them

Keep us posted on the set-up. The anticipation and excitement will be well worth it. As you listen to your favorite genre/movies you will feel the intoxicating clarity produced by their warm but powerful sound stage, then you will become like most of us, that over time, have evolved with a 'audiophilific' passion for the Infinity Primuses!

You budget minded Primus guys might be interested in a new alternative:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17169027#post17169027

Same price but so much sexier!

:cool:

You budget minded Primus guys might be interested in a new alternative:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17169027#post17169027

Same price but so much sexier!

:cool:

I do love the look of those. I have never heard of the brand but they look an awful lot like these Boston Acoustics,
http://images.blu-ray.com/htgallery/24866.jpg

EMP is a spinoff of RBH.

i should be getting my new speaker setup sometime this week....with getting all the speakers at one time i have to wait on replacing my sub till i build up some money again.

my question is i have two subs that i can use for the time being i can continue using my sub that came with Onkyo speakers (SKW-540) or i can move the sub that is currently in the living room to the basement which is the Acoustic Research AR-S112PS....i'm not sure which one would be better sub to use with the primus speakers till i get a new sub

i should be getting my new speaker setup sometime this week....with getting all the speakers at one time i have to wait on replacing my sub till i build up some money again.

my question is i have two subs that i can use for the time being i can continue using my sub that came with Onkyo speakers (SKW-540) or i can move the sub that is currently in the living room to the basement which is the Acoustic Research AR-S112PS....i'm not sure which one would be better sub to use with the primus speakers till i get a new sub

Don't know if this helps any,but im still using an old sony sub that came in a HTIB I bought back in 2000 along with a seperate KLH sub and i get decent bass.

Any recommendations on mounting the P142 or P152 to the wall so one can have tilt or swivel options. The keyholes can give you a flush mount. If anybody mounted their P140s or P150s to the wall differently, I would like to hear about it.

I have both the EMP Impressions and Infinity Primus sets ordered. After shipping the prices are near identical - $540-575 for the front three.

The only way I'll be able to find out the true differences is by testing them myself.

I assume I can simply hook them all up and switch between speakers A/B on the fly?

I have both the EMP Impressions and Infinity Primus sets ordered. After shipping the prices are near identical - $540-575 for the front three.

The only way I'll be able to find out the true differences is by testing them myself.

I assume I can simply hook them all up and switch between speakers A/B on the fly?

The EMP's typically require a lot more juice than the Primuses. Personally, I would've gone with The Speaker Company's towers over EMP's. However, that's just me.

The sweet spots are likely different with both, so you may have to play with positioning them to find the optical placement.

I had a question regarding preference on Infinity P362/PC350 vs. Energy C300/C-C50 and I didnt want to post only in the Infinity owners there or the Energy owners thread since my assumption is each of those groups would tend to be biased and the conversation would lack the give-and-take from a new thread. ;) However, I would like the professional input from the people who frequent this thread so would love to hear your input in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1180841

This forum has been invaluable so far as I try to learn more about setting up a good home theater. Thanks to all of you!

A/B speaker test on the fly using an AVR. Usually the B speaker terminals wont have any digital processing whereas the A speakers will. Plus there is no center channel for the B set on your receiver. Make sure your A set of speakers is set to Large, with subwoofer off to make everything fair.

And if they don't have the same sensitivity rating, most people will give the nod to the louder sounding speaker.

Any recommendations on mounting the P142 or P152 to the wall so one can have tilt or swivel options. The keyholes can give you a flush mount. If anybody mounted their P140s or P150s to the wall differently, I would like to hear about it.

Well, the 142 has a threaded insert for among other things, ball and socket type swivel mounts. Just look for one with the right thread size.

For the 152, you'll have to be more creative, ie fabricating your own rig. Though, there are swivelling shelf-type mounts out there.

The EMP's typically require a lot more juice than the Primuses. Personally, I would've gone with The Speaker Company's towers over EMP's. However, that's just me.

The sweet spots are likely different with both, so you may have to play with positioning them to find the optical placement.
If you mean these: http://www.thespeakercompany.com/TST1-High-Performance-Tower-Speakers-Pair-P72C8.aspx

I did not know about them until now. Looks like another good budget option, though they are rear ported. One of the reasons I favor the Primus set.

Infinity Primus arguably has the better center channel vs TSC and EMP.

I was looking for a nice pair of fronts, after reading the reviews here, I ordered the p362's from Crutchfield for $199ea. I got free shipping and a $20 coupon code applied, not a bad deal for new. I'll post again when I've had a chance to listen to them.

I was looking for a nice pair of fronts, after reading the reviews here, I ordered the p362's from Crutchfield for $199ea. I got free shipping and a $20 coupon code applied, not a bad deal for new. I'll post again when I've had a chance to listen to them.

Please do and let us know how they sound. And..what will be driving them? Also what is your center?

Of course you know there are all kind of adjustments and different songs that will be made to optimize the listening experience.

They seem to comply and shine with any adjustment/volume, but one has to give these babies time to adjust with our own personal listening preference. Some tweaking and a lot of fun!!!:D

I currently have my center channel ceiling mounted above my screen. What are the options for mounting the Infinity PC350 in the same manner? Are there key hole slots on the back of this speaker? Should I build/buy a shelf? Has anyone else mounted theres to the ceiling?

Hey I was wondering what are some good surround sound bipole I could use with the p362

I currently have my center channel ceiling mounted above my screen. What are the options for mounting the Infinity PC350 in the same manner? Are there key hole slots on the back of this speaker? Should I build/buy a shelf? Has anyone else mounted theres to the ceiling?

From what I have heard the 350 is gonna be too large for key holes. I would go with this solution. Just takes a decent looking shelf board and 2 elbow brackets from hardware store and 10 minutes.
http://i33.tinypic.com/2z7n9ug.jpg

From what I have heard the 350 is gonna be too large for key holes. I would go with this solution. Just takes a decent looking shelf board and 2 elbow brackets from hardware store and 10 minutes.


Good to know about the keyhole thing. I figured as much since it's a heavier speaker. My only problem is the speaker must hang from the ceiling in front of the screen, since the screen occupies all but the top 18" and bottom 2 feet of the wall. I'm sure I can get some L brackets and mount them from the ceiling, but I wanted to know if anyone else has any better ideas.

Good to know about the keyhole thing. I figured as much since it's a heavier speaker. My only problem is the speaker must hang from the ceiling in front of the screen, since the screen occupies all but the top 18" and bottom 2 feet of the wall. I'm sure I can get some L brackets and mount them from the ceiling, but I wanted to know if anyone else has any better ideas.

If you do build a shelf, it would be better acoustically to have it just as wide as the speaker--not extending out on the sides.

So I've got the p362s and pC350 for my front three, and have been thinking about upgrading the back two in in my system to match. I'm currently using a pair of handme down speakers for my back 5.1, and I've just been noticing lately anytime I hear anything out of the back two (I think they are boston acoustics), they sound, well I don't know how to explain it, harsher/bright/crappy, whatever. Totally out of sync with all the other sounds.......
So is the general consensus, for better matching get the p162s if you have the room over the p152s since they have the same drivers as the C350 and p362? Is it worth the extra money over the p152s?

So I've got the p362s and pC350 for my front three, and have been thinking about upgrading the back two in in my system to match. I'm currently using a pair of handme down speakers for my back 5.1, and I've just been noticing lately anytime I hear anything out of the back two (I think they are boston acoustics), they sound, well I don't know how to explain it, harsher/bright/crappy, whatever. Totally out of sync with all the other sounds.......
So is the general consensus, for better matching get the p162s if you have the room over the p152s since they have the same drivers as the C350 and p362? Is it worth the extra money over the p152s?

If you have read the past thread quotes, I have posted my experience with the surrounds. The 162s would be great on stands (too large to mount).....however for wall mount the 152s have two keyholes and make it easy,(if that would work for you). That is what I have and I think they make great surrounds. If you have the 350/362/4-152s, you will be good to go and will all that you need. You will have a fabulous setup for movies! But if you just need 2 rears for now and place the 162s on stands, I would do that. If you are thinking of upgrading to 7.1, I would consider the 152s.

Someone was trying to buy wall mounts for the 162's, but I know for a fact that they are too big. Maybe they could chime in here if they have accomplished that. I have a pair and they are huge.

The 152s are smaller and are still a little large for the wall, but i can deal with it and am very satified with the 7.1 arrangement that I have. The wife can handle the 152s, but I think she would have freaked out more with the 162's.:eek:

Also several knowledgeable posters have indicated and I am in total agreement with them now....that the 3 fronts are the mains and don't be too concerned with the surrounds. IMHO they are right on. However, when at the theater mode the 152s do shine and fill the room beautifully (20X24), 9' ceilings/hardwoods!!

Good Luck!!

Hey I was wondering what are some good Bipole speakers for the surrounds to go with the p362 as your fronts

Hi all,

I recently bought a set of Primus speakers at Best Buy in Canada for a pretty good deal for $900. The speakers are:

PC250
P362 x 2
P152 x 2
PS28

Since this was a special promo, I have to stick with these exact speakers to get the promo price. The thing is, I want to wall mount the P152's, but they are quite big and doesn't really fit well within the room. So I saw these Polk Audio RM20 5 pack floor model speakers on sale for $300. I could buy the new ones for $430. I was thinking of swapping out the P152's and puting in the RM20 front speakers as my rears. THen I'll give my parents the P152 to be used as their fronts and the RM20 centre and rears. I was wondering about a couple of things:

1.) Would it be ok to buy floor model speakers from a furniture company ("The Brick", they're based in Canada)? I know these speakers are hooked up there all day, probably playing at low volumes. I know these speakers are discontinued, so they're trying to clear them out. I figure if I can save a bit more if I buy used.

2.) I would use that room for mostly TV/movies. Music will only be just for entertaining guests. Would the RM20's fronts match the P362s and PC250? I'll be using the RM20 fronts as the rears.

3.) Also, using the RM20 centre and rears and P152, would that be an appropriate setup as well?

Thanks,

Jason

HELLO-
I have pc350 with 2 rear p162's and a p362. I need one silver grill p362 to complete my set and having trouble locating one ( all blk). Anyone know where i can find one??

2.) I would use that room for mostly TV/movies. Music will only be just for entertaining guests. Would the RM20's fronts match the P362s and PC250? I'll be using the RM20 fronts as the rears.

Speakers from different manufacturers never match unless purely by accident. OTOH one can usually get away with a different brand surround speaker and not spoil the overall effect. Where do YOU listen to music?


3.) Also, using the RM20 centre and rears and P152, would that be an appropriate setup as well?

Appropriate? No. Livable? Probably. Depends on your parents' ears. Get them a PC250 for the center. They'll also need a stand-alone woofer since the 152s don't have much bass.

Polk and Infinity. Two completely different speakers.

So, does anyone know any site that is running a special on the 362's?

I screwed up when I saw people talking about Fry's running them for 99 each and as a result I didn't order them from Crutchfield when they had them for 199. Back to 329 each now.

So, does anyone know any site that is running a special on the 362's?

I screwed up when I saw people talking about Fry's running them for 99 each and as a result I didn't order them from Crutchfield when they had them for 199. Back to 329 each now.

199 at b&h

199 through amazon as well..

Do they post the primus special prices in the Fry's online flyer ad's? or do you just have to stop in and see what price they are selling for that day

Speakers from different manufacturers never match unless purely by accident. OTOH one can usually get away with a different brand surround speaker and not spoil the overall effect. Where do YOU listen to music?



Appropriate? No. Livable? Probably. Depends on your parents' ears. Get them a PC250 for the center. They'll also need a stand-alone woofer since the 152s don't have much bass.

Polk and Infinity. Two completely different speakers.

Thanks GLBright. Any chance anyone know the difference between how the RM20 and the Primus speakers will sound? I bought the 2xP362, PC250, 2xP152, 1xPS28 for $900 CAD (best deal in Canada I could find), and I can get a new RM-20 5 pack (not floor model now) for $300. I know I need to spend probably around 2-3 hundred for a sub if I get the RM-20 5 pack. I'm wondering for the extra $300-$400, how good are the Primus speakers compared to the RM20? I can still return the Primus set, so I wonder if I should just try to save several hundred dollars.

Thanks GLBright. Any chance anyone know the difference between how the RM20 and the Primus speakers will sound? I bought the 2xP362, PC250, 2xP152, 1xPS28 for $900 CAD (best deal in Canada I could find), and I can get a new RM-20 5 pack (not floor model now) for $300. I know I need to spend probably around 2-3 hundred for a sub if I get the RM-20 5 pack. I'm wondering for the extra $300-$400, how good are the Primus speakers compared to the RM20? I can still return the Primus set, so I wonder if I should just try to save several hundred dollars.
I don't think their really is any comparison between those polk RM20 and the p362s, the infinity speakers will sound a 100 times better. Just look at the difference in the drivers, sensitivity, etc....
However, the pc250 isn't the right center for the p362s, the pc350 is definitely what you want to run across the front if you are using p362s. I'd sell the pc250 and get a pc350 or attempt to get them to include it instead in the package you mentioned above.

I don't think their really is any comparison between those polk RM20 and the p362s, the infinity speakers will sound a 100 times better. Just look at the difference in the drivers, sensitivity, etc....
However, the pc250 isn't the right center for the p362s, the pc350 is definitely what you want to run across the front if you are using p362s. I'd sell the pc250 and get a pc350 or attempt to get them to include it instead in the package you mentioned above.

Thanks Slippery44. I'm a complete noob with regards to Audio, how would the PC350 match the P362's better? Is it because its also a 3 way speaker? My Pioneer VSX 819 has an auto calibration that can calibrate the speakers' volume. Ie. would my towers overpower the centre? Or would the speakers not be "timbre-matched" (not that I know what that means either).

I did read through a number of pages and noticed that pretty much everyone said the PC350 sounds much better... The PC250 already sounds awesome compared to my logitechs that I had earlier.

Just came from my local Fry's store. They have the Primus P362 for $149ea. Doubt they'll ever get down to $99 again so this is a very good price.

Ad for P362
http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664&adid=8399841&subid=27023723&type=

Very good price indeed. Now if only they offered that price in Renton.

So, does anyone know any site that is running a special on the 362's?

I screwed up when I saw people talking about Fry's running them for 99 each and as a result I didn't order them from Crutchfield when they had them for 199. Back to 329 each now.
B&H Video has them at $199 and free shipping - their store is closed until next monday 10/12.

Ad for P362
http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664&adid=8399841&subid=27023723&type=

The ad says P-362B. Does that mean they are B stock?

The ad says P-362B. Does that mean they are B stock?

B= Black in color.

I have the following setup:

4 Primus 150's
1 C25 Center
PS8 Powered Sub
Sony DB840 Receiver connected to Playstation 3 through optical

When Audio gets too loud the speakers make a light crackling noise. Also, in the game "Demon's Souls," when I select a menu option it has pretty high bass, and the speaker emits a quiet crackle as well. This occurs at all volumes, but the crackle does get louder/quieter when I lower the volume. I have tried moving the rear speakers to the front, but it gives the EXACT same crackling noise. I am still completely new to this, so any improvements on my settings would be appreciated in addition to hopefully troubleshooting my problem :)

Here are my receiver settings:

Front: Small
Center: Small
Rear: Small

Front speaker: reads "> 90hz" on the display
Center speaker: reads ">90hz"
Rear speaker: reads "> 90hz"

Rear Mid: 1.2khz
Rear Treble: 0db
Rear Treble: 2.5khz
Rear Bass: -4db
Rear Bass: 155hz

Front Bass: -4db
Front Bass: 100hz
Front Mid: -10db
Front Mid: -1.2khz
Front Treble: -10db (I found that the crackle is significantly reduced like this)
Front Treble: 2.5khz

Center Bass: -1db
Center Bass: 155hz
Center Mid: 0db
Center Mid: 1.2khz
Center Treble: 0db
Center Treble: 2.5khz

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. The popping noise is starting to irk me. The speakers are under warranty until 2011 (purchased in 2006).

I currently have two P152's and PS210 sub, but still need a center channel. Would the PC350 overpower the P152's and make the PC250 a better option? Or, could I even get away with using another P152 for my center channel?

I currently have two P152's and PS210 sub, but still need a center channel. Would the PC350 overpower the P152's and make the PC250 a better option? Or, could I even get away with using another P152 for my center channel?

Since the center channel receives the large majority of the work for music/movies I'd say go with the best you can. That said, the pc350 would be an excellent choice. There won't be any negative 'overpowering', it will just perform better than the 250. Whether its worth the extra $100 or so for your situation is up to you.

For those of you who are waiting on a new sale at Fry's to buy a pair of the p362 towers, I was able to talk to the General Manager at my local Fry's and based on the previous $99 sales price and the fact that this is a discontinued speaker line, he sold me a pair at their cost $116/each. YMMV but it is worth a shot.

I have a pair of 360's, a C25 and two 150's. I'm adding a 9.2 channel amp and need to add 4 more speakers.

Can I get away with 142's for the Heights or do I want more like the 152/162's? Also ... if I get 162's should I have them as the Rear Surrounds or the Sides? (the 150's would go in the other place).

Thanks

Paul

If you get 162's as height speakers, you better have some serious mounts. Those are quite large bookshelf speakers.

I think the 142's would be your best bet.

If you get 162's as height speakers, you better have some serious mounts. Those are quite large bookshelf speakers.

I think the 142's would be your best bet.

Thank you. Thats probably smartest. If I got some 162's would you recommend the 162's as the Rear Surrounds and the 150's as the Surrounds or visa-versa?

Any recommendation on mounts that can hold the 150's/162's?

http://www.mountsandmore.com/Eco-Mount-by-AVF-EAK50B-T-AVF1018.html

is the cheaper option i've found for the surrounds but ... only 11 lbs and 162 is 15ish.

Thanks again

For those of you who are waiting on a new sale at Fry's to buy a pair of the p362 towers, I was able to talk to the General Manager at my local Fry's and based on the previous $99 sales price and the fact that this is a discontinued speaker line, he sold me a pair at their cost $116/each. YMMV but it is worth a shot.

I tried to talk the manager down as you did at my local Fry's but he said the best he could do was 10%?? That's pretty weak, as they only had 1 pair left in stock. His computer was showing more were available however so I will just sit tight for a sale and maybe get a backorder if need be. You guys must be more persuasive than me!

Thank you. Thats probably smartest. If I got some 162's would you recommend the 162's as the Rear Surrounds and the 150's as the Surrounds or visa-versa?

162's as sides and 150's as rears. You want the larger speakers as your 5.1 surrounds and smaller speakers as your 7.1 surrounds.

162's as sides and 150's as rears. You want the larger speakers as your 5.1 surrounds and smaller speakers as your 7.1 surrounds.

Thank you

Add me to the Primus owners list. Tried Fry's again, a different manager this time. Got him to price match B&H Photo/Video at $199.95 but had to pay tax. Not too shabby and if the price goes down at Fry's within 30 days I will get a refund. I am still in need of the PC-350 Center. Excuse the poorly laid out A/V area.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i13/qwikkota/FrontStage.jpg


Has anyone ordered from the following company?:http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/InfinityPrimus.html I dialed their number and it comes up as disconnected. I am in need of some P142's and the center channel.

I can get the following locally:
Pair of Infinity Primus 360 tower speakers and a matching Infinity Primus C25 center channel speaker. Any thoughts as to a good price? The seller wants $425. I'd like to see if I can get them new but don't think I'll be able. I was thinking more like 100 less than that would be a fair and good offer. Anything particuliar to watch out for when buying them used? Thanks from another fool who ignored all the fry's sales!

Add me to the Primus owners list. Tried Fry's again, a different manager this time. Got him to price match B&H Photo/Video at $199.95 but had to pay tax. Not too shabby and if the price goes down at Fry's within 30 days I will get a refund. I am still in need of the PC-350 Center. Excuse the poorly laid out A/V area.




Has anyone ordered from the following company?:http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/InfinityPrimus.html I dialed their number and it comes up as disconnected. I am in need of some P142's and the center channel.

I got my PC350 through them,and I would buy from them again.

Add me to the Primus owners list. Tried Fry's again, a different manager this time. Got him to price match B&H Photo/Video at $199.95 but had to pay tax. Not too shabby and if the price goes down at Fry's within 30 days I will get a refund. I am still in need of the PC-350 Center. Excuse the poorly laid out A/V area.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i13/qwikkota/FrontStage.jpg


Has anyone ordered from the following company?:http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/InfinityPrimus.html I dialed their number and it comes up as disconnected. I am in need of some P142's and the center channel.

Yeah, I ordered through them via Amazon.com and everything was fine (got the 142's and 162's from them).

I got my PC350 through them,and I would buy from them again.

How did you guys get a hold of them? The number is not working and I emailed them both from their site and by looking up the address registered to that domain. No reply yet. Do they have an Amazon storefront? Thanks.

How did you guys get a hold of them? The number is not working and I emailed them both from their site and by looking up the address registered to that domain. No reply yet. Do they have an Amazon storefront? Thanks.

i just ordered online

How did you guys get a hold of them? The number is not working and I emailed them both from their site and by looking up the address registered to that domain. No reply yet. Do they have an Amazon storefront? Thanks.

yeah they have an amazon storefront. You should be able to find them if you look up the 162's.

yeah they have an amazon storefront. You should be able to find them if you look up the 162's.

Maybe I am retarded, I can not find it. If anyone has a link to their storefront that would be most appreciated. I would like to get those B-Stock prices from their main website but somehow I doubt that will happen. Thanks

Maybe I am retarded, I can not find it. If anyone has a link to their storefront that would be most appreciated. I would like to get those B-Stock prices from their main website but somehow I doubt that will happen. Thanks

their shopping cart appears to not be working.other wisse all you would have to do is click on ORDER NOW button and continue with the transaction.

their shopping cart appears to not be working.other wisse all you would have to do is click on ORDER NOW button and continue with the transaction.

Right, no way to add to cart. Even if it did function, I would be leery ordering from a company whose phone # is disconnected and not replying to emails.

FYI - the sale on the P362's is back on at Fry's. I just picked up a pair myself, and love them so far.

FYI - the sale on the P362's is back on at Fry's. I just picked up a pair myself, and love them so far.

The price would be helpful information for those waiting to buy these. ;)

Unfortunately, it seems that the $149/ea sale price has now been revised to $299.00

Wow, that was a quick sale! They must have only been marked down for Halloween...

Crutchfield has these on sale for 199.00 each with free shipping. I just ordered a pair along with the 350 center also 199.00 with free shipping.

Unfortunately, it seems that the $149/ea sale price has now been revised to $299.00

No way! I can't believe on and off that fast. If they are on sale within a month of when I bought (at $199) I get the discount. Dang! I could have strolled in.

Has anyone ordered from the following company?:http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/InfinityPrimus.html I dialed their number and it comes up as disconnected. I am in need of some P142's and the center channel.
I ordered my P362s and PC350 from them. Everything works fine except one of the 362's was damaged. One of the front feet is smashed up into the bottom of the cabinet, splintering the wood. They are well packed and damage like this would require the box on the outside to be severely smashed as well. The corners of the boxes show no indication of damage so it appears it was damaged before they went in.

They offer no returns or warranty service, you must contact Infinity for help. I haven't gotten to that stage yet.

Crutchfield has these on sale for 199.00 each with free shipping. I just ordered a pair along with the 350 center also 199.00 with free shipping.

The PS212 is also on sale ($399) with free shipping. My 350 and PS212 is due tomorrow. Cant wait - these are really great speakers for the $$.

I ordered my P362s and PC350 from them. Everything works fine except one of the 362's was damaged. One of the front feet is smashed up into the bottom of the cabinet, splintering the wood. They are well packed and damage like this would require the box on the outside to be severely smashed as well. The corners of the boxes show no indication of damage so it appears it was damaged before they went in.

They offer no returns or warranty service, you must contact Infinity for help. I haven't gotten to that stage yet.

Pics:

http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/BlackHawk2k6/Infinity/?albumview=grid

[Scratches http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/ off his list of vendors...]

[Scratches http://www.theaudiovideosource.com/ off his list of vendors...]
I wouldn't make a quick judgement yet - we will see how they handle it. I hope to get a reply when business resumes next week.

One of the front feet is smashed up into the bottom of the cabinet, splintering the wood. They are well packed and damage like this would require the box on the outside to be severely smashed as well. The corners of the boxes show no indication of damage so it appears it was damaged before they went in.

I'm interested in how they handle it, too. But to me your post strongly suggests the vendor intentionally shipped something they knew was damaged. Even if they offer to replace AND pick up the return shipping charge, the fact that they were trying to get away with it remains. (Not to mention the added delay in getting what you've paid for.) To me, that's an unacceptable business practice.

I'm in a position of replacing all my speakers and my sub. (See http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17365843 ) I've spent several days reading this entire thread since I can't demo these speakers in person and have decided 2-362s and a 350 are where I where I'm going. The days of picking them up for $99 apiece are apparently over and I've accepted the fact I'll end up paying double that. So I'm going to have to save a bit longer than I hoped. Given that, the notion that a vendor would engage in such behavior is a clear signal to me that they are not worthy of my patronage. It might be the best price for the speaker at the moment, but the time, effort, and frustration expended making this right is still a loss for the customer. It's just not a loss that shows up in the ledger.

Good luck.

I bought 5 362's RLC and 2 rears , am i going to need a sub?

I am using a onkyo 707 to push them.

They will be delivered thursday i cant wait!

How do you think they will sound?

I bought 5 362's RLC and 2 rears , am i going to need a sub?

I am using a onkyo 707 to push them.

They will be delivered thursday i cant wait!

How do you think they will sound?



I would get the 10" or higher sub with these, I only have a 8" Infinity and that is enough for me. I also have the onk 806 and CANNOT be happier. I have tried other receivers without AudysseyEQ, Dynamic volume, etc and THX, but now that i have seen tons of Bluray and regular DVD movies with these settings, I can't live without them. Especially Ultra2 Cinema, the greatest. I can only imagine with 5 362s, (I only have two) only imagine, only imagine!!!:rolleyes: You might get blown completely away, so please shut the door before you kick'm up!!!

Good luck,
Rob

I can get the following locally:
Pair of Infinity Primus 360 tower speakers and a matching Infinity Primus C25 center channel speaker. Any thoughts as to a good price? The seller wants $425. I'd like to see if I can get them new but don't think I'll be able. I was thinking more like 100 less than that would be a fair and good offer. Anything particuliar to watch out for when buying them used? Thanks from another fool who ignored all the fry's sales!

I was thinking $299 or less.

I just got my lastest Crutchfield catalog in the mail today. Looks like they are running a sale for the 362's for $149 on their website again.