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PULLIAMM
09-12-06, 11:58 AM
At the request of some of my fellow Primus owners, I am starting this thread for general discussion of these speakers.
Post here with any comments, questions, suggestions, concerns, etc. regarding Primus speakers.
I am so pleased with my Primus 250's that I have returned to them after listening to more expensive speakers on more than one occasion. They have excellent imaging, clean highs, lifelike midrange, and much more powerful bass than one would expect for their size. They are also transparent to an astonishing degree. I can look right at them and not identify them as the source of the sound. Overall, they are outstanding even at full MSRP, and a steal on sale.
If (when) I upgrade, it will not be to improve "shortcomings" of the Primus's, but rather because I think "these are so good, imagine something even better!" :D
(This is without even having heard the 360's yet.)
I have the 250s and C25 up front, 150s for surround and 140s for rear. Completing the setup with a PS-12. I find my setup to be on the warm side. A bright receiver like the panny SAXR57 goes very well with these speakers.
You will need a strong receiver to power these speakers. Anything less than 50 real watt will not cut it for these speakers. They're less efficient than the Paradigms I have at work.
If given the chance I would upgrade my fronts to the 360.
Jeremy Tebo
09-12-06, 12:52 PM
Just last week I got the 250s and C25 to replace my front speakers, very happy with them so far. Probably going to buy the 150s to replace the surrounds this week.
How can you tell how many "real" watts a receiver has? I have a Sony DA1ES that seems to have more than enough power, just curious.
Off topic, but does anyone else find it odd how the Primus look nicer than the Betas? I really didn't like the looks of the grill on the Betas.
These days can't even take a short road trip without missing something :D
Seriously, It is great that Pulliamm started this thread. I mean his love for primus 250s are well known on this forum, so who can be better than him to start this thread.
Pulliamm, Thanks a lot.
PULLIAMM
09-12-06, 01:44 PM
Off topic, but does anyone else find it odd how the Primus look nicer than the Betas? I really didn't like the looks of the grill on the Betas.
I must be the only one who really likes the Beta grills. On the other hand, I like the looks of the Primus, especially the way the grills blend smoothly with the cabinet. (They look good without grills also.)
slinger1317
09-12-06, 01:57 PM
My setup:
Pair of 360 fronts, C25 center channel, a pair of ES 110's in the cieling, and a PS12 subwoofer.
I absolutely love this system! I never knew what I was missing until seeing/hearing movies and football games on this system!
I am pushing it with an Onkyo 603X receiver and couldn't be happier with the results. I have Zone 2 set up on the back patio with a pair of Polk 45 outdoor spkrs.
I do have one question: What crossover setting are you guys using for the sub? I manually set my front spkr config to "small" on the receiver, and it gave me a crossover of 100hz. I backed it down to 60, and have been palying with it ever since to try to find the setting that is just right. Any suggestions?
My setup:
Pair of 360 fronts, C25 center channel, a pair of ES 110's in the cieling, and a PS12 subwoofer.
I absolutely love this system! I never knew what I was missing until seeing/hearing movies and football games on this system!
I am pushing it with an Onkyo 603X receiver and couldn't be happier with the results. I have Zone 2 set up on the back patio with a pair of Polk 45 outdoor spkrs.
I do have one question: What crossover setting are you guys using for the sub? I manually set my front spkr config to "small" on the receiver, and it gave me a crossover of 100hz. I backed it down to 60, and have been palying with it ever since to try to find the setting that is just right. Any suggestions?
I have same setup except ES110. I have 150s for the surrounds.
I use 80hz for crossover and of course all speakers are set to small. Having said that there is no harm is trying different settings, keep the one which you like best. You may also like to try moving the sub at different places in the room and see if they are any better or worse. Go with the one, which sounds best to you from your main listening place/position.
PULLIAMM
09-12-06, 03:23 PM
Once, I A/Bed the Primus 250's with my Def Tech BP8b's ($800) in my 2-channel setup and preferred the 250's. Since then, I have gotten a new amp (Carver.) Tonight I am going to do the A/B again. If I still prefer the 250's, I will order 360's from Crutchfield for $400, and these will be my last upgrade for a long time (I hope.)
Jeremy Tebo
09-12-06, 03:26 PM
I must be the only one who really likes the Beta grills. On the other hand, I like the looks of the Primus, especially the way the grills blend smoothly with the cabinet. (They look good without grills also.)
Speaking of that, do you leave the grills on or off? I have no kids or pets, so I don't really risk doing any damage to them. Is there supposed to be a sound difference? I think they look a little better off. When I asked my girlfriend, she thought they stood out more and looked a little more "manly" with them off, but blended in better with them on.
micah3sixty
09-12-06, 03:32 PM
Not an owner but I have auditioned the Primus 250 and 360 and can recommend them for the price. I prefered the sound/tone from the 360's more and they seemed to image a little better. They also appear to be built and designed well.
If (when) I upgrade, it will not be to improve "shortcomings" of the Primus's, but rather because I think "these are so good, imagine something even better!" :D
(This is without even having heard the 360's yet.)
If given the chance I would upgrade my fronts to the 360.
Both of you might like 360s better. IMO, separate midrange driver made a lot of difference.
Not an owner but I have auditioned the Primus 250 and 360 and can recommend them for the price. I prefered the sound/tone from the 360's more and they seemed to image a little better. They also appear to be built and designed well.
Agreed. I had both 250s and 360s for about 4-5 days and I preferred 360s.
Once, I A/Bed the Primus 250's with my Def Tech BP8b's ($800) in my 2-channel setup and preferred the 250's. Since then, I have gotten a new amp (Carver.) Tonight I am going to do the A/B again. If I still prefer the 250's, I will order 360's from Crutchfield for $400, and these will be my last upgrade for a long time (I hope.)
Having liked 250s so much, I knew you couldn't resist 360s for long. We will eagerly wait for your initial impressions of 360s.
PULLIAMM
09-12-06, 03:53 PM
Speaking of that, do you leave the grills on or off? I have no kids or pets, so I don't really risk doing any damage to them. Is there supposed to be a sound difference? I think they look a little better off. When I asked my girlfriend, she thought they stood out more and looked a little more "manly" with them off, but blended in better with them on.
With the grills on, I tend to focus my eyes (when my eyes are open) into the space between the speakers and "see" the music. With the grills off, I tend to look at the speakers. For this reason, I usually leave them on.
If there is any difference in sound, it is too subtle for me to hear.
PULLIAMM
09-12-06, 03:55 PM
Having liked 250s so much, I knew you couldn't resist 360s for long. We will eagerly wait for your initial impressions of 360s.
I just hope the sale price holds until I get paid (Friday.) :cool:
Bangedup
09-12-06, 04:05 PM
I must be the only one who really likes the Beta grills. On the other hand, I like the looks of the Primus, especially the way the grills blend smoothly with the cabinet. (They look good without grills also.)
I own the Beta 40, 360, ES250 and CSW10. I have two dogs and a one year old boy who loves to touch my equipment. Those metal grills have saved my drivers over and over again and twenty years from now, my speakers should look as good as the day I bought them.
As you all might have know by now, CC is dropping Harman and blowing out Infinity, this is a great time to buy!
Great thread PULLIAMM
Cowboy420
09-12-06, 06:05 PM
Indeed great thread...I've got an Onkyo 703 pushing my 360's, 250's, C25, and a PB10 and let me say when I throw in the Old Skool Metallica it sounds like im at the show again...(well not quite but you get the point ) :D
audiofreak38
09-12-06, 09:31 PM
I am a very new owner of the Primus 360's, C25, and the 150's in the rear completing a 5.1 set-up. I also own a Mirage S12 12" powered sub to handle all of my LFE. Furthermore, processing and amplification is done via a Pioneer 1015. I just absolutely love the sound-it f*ckin rocks!!!!! :D :D
kherman
09-13-06, 12:57 AM
I'm about to go through this thread ..... I only hav the Primus C25 now.
I think it's OK ... but I used to have a Video-1 that I liked much more. It was 10 years old and my cat managed to knock it off it's TV and smash one of the cones.
Anyways .... I'm looking for a new setup and I think I might try keeping the C25 and work around that.
I have a room that is 20x24 in size and about 4000 sqft.
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EDIT:
Read the whole thread! Very informative. After reading it ... I really want to keep that C25. And now I want the 360s ... but the wife will probably not allow it. She wants small speakers if any.
Would anyone recomend the 160s for the mains and the 150s for surround? Using the C25 as the center and the PS-12 sub?
Time to start measuring to see if the 360s will fit.
Primus 360 (http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/product_detail.aspx?prod=PRIMUS360BK&series=PRI&cat=BFS)
I'm about to go through this thread ..... I only hav the Primus C25 now.
I think it's OK ... but I used to have a Video-1 that I liked much more. It was 10 years old and my cat managed to knock it off it's TV and smash one of the cones.
Anyways .... I'm looking for a new setup and I think I might try keeping the C25 and work around that.
I have a room that is 20x24 in size and about 4000 sqft.
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EDIT:
Read the whole thread! Very informative. After reading it ... I really want to keep that C25. And now I want the 360s ... but the wife will probably not allow it. She wants small speakers if any.
Would anyone recomend the 160s for the mains and the 150s for surround? Using the C25 as the center and the PS-12 sub?
Time to start measuring to see if the 360s will fit.
Primus 360 (http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/product_detail.aspx?prod=PRIMUS360BK&series=PRI&cat=BFS)
I replied to your new thread also. IMHO, for a room of this size, go with 360s (you already have C25 for center). 150s will be fine for surrounds. 160s (as fronts) with a decent sub should work too, though I chose 360s for my HT setup.
As for size, unless you want to wall mount 160s (in case you go with them for fronts), you will need a speaker stand and may not save much space as such.
PULLIAMM
09-13-06, 08:11 AM
Last night, I did the A/B comparison between my 250's and the Def Tech BP8b's. Not only did I still prefer the 250's, but I appreciate them more after doing the test.
I was reminded that the 250's have the perfect amount of bass for my room. One strike agianst the Def Techs was too much bass*, which tended to overwhelm the other frequencies. This has me thinking that trying the 360's in my room might not be such a good idea after all, as they also have much more bass than the 250's.
Instead of saying that the Primus's are "great speakers for the price", I think it is fair to say that they are simply great speakers, and also happen to be affordable.
*This begs the question: Why do the Def Techs not seem to have too much bass in my HT setup, which is in an even smaller room? Possible answers are 1) My Yamaha HT receiver doesn't put out much bass, or 2) Surround processing sends most of the bass to LFE (even with mains set to "large".)
What receiver is everyone using to power their Primus?
What receiver is everyone using to power their Primus?
I have Onkyo tx-sr504. It is a 7.1 AVR, with component video, no HDMI.
PULLIAMM
09-13-06, 01:56 PM
What receiver is everyone using to power their Primus?
I was using Onkyo TX-8511 (stereo.) I have since moved up to a vintage Carver integrated amp (forget model #, but 100 very clean watts/ch.)
ugly john
09-13-06, 02:30 PM
I am the proud owner of a brand new pair of Primus 150's. Circuit City has them for $39.99 each after a $20 mail in rebate - ONLY ON LINE!!
I will be picking them up this afternoon after work, and testing them out with my Klipsch RF-5's, sub, and Yamaha RX-v3000. I'll probably get blasted for pairing these with the Klipsch, but I'm on a bit of a budget with the wife switching jobs, and couldn't say no to the price. Plus, all the reviews I saw were fantastic.
Placement will be an issue, but for now, I'll just be plopping them on the end tables until I figure it out.
PULLIAMM
09-13-06, 02:42 PM
I am the proud owner of a brand new pair of Primus 150's. Circuit City has them for $39.99 each after a $20 mail in rebate - ONLY ON LINE!!
I will be picking them up this afternoon after work, and testing them out with my Klipsch RF-5's, sub, and Yamaha RX-v3000. I'll probably get blasted for pairing these with the Klipsch, but I'm on a bit of a budget with the wife switching jobs, and couldn't say no to the price. Plus, all the reviews I saw were fantastic.
Placement will be an issue, but for now, I'll just be plopping them on the end tables until I figure it out.
With those big honkin' Klipsch towers, I assume you will use the 150's as surrounds? They are a good choice for that. Do yourself a favor, though, and try listening to music on them alone or with the sub. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what they can do. :cool:
For surround placement, they have "keyhole" mounting slots (if I remember correctly.)
kherman
09-13-06, 03:25 PM
I replied to your new thread also. IMHO, for a room of this size, go with 360s (you already have C25 for center). 150s will be fine for surrounds. 160s (as fronts) with a decent sub should work too, though I chose 360s for my HT setup.
As for size, unless you want to wall mount 160s (in case you go with them for fronts), you will need a speaker stand and may not save much space as such.
Well, the one side of hte room has a bench all along it about 2 feet high. Cabinets underneath. The TV is going to sit on it with the center in front of the TV sitting o nthe bench. The bookshelfs (160s) will go on the same bench. The rears will be mounted off of some exposed beams on the ceiling.
Bigger question .... if I go with the C25 center (whcih I have) and hte 160s up front. Would it make more sens to get 160s for the rear also instead of 150s? The assumption being that the sound will be more even/balanced that way.
Cowboy420
09-13-06, 03:38 PM
What receiver is everyone using to power their Primus?
Onkyo 703
Well, the one side of hte room has a bench all along it about 2 feet high. Cabinets underneath. The TV is going to sit on it with the center in front of the TV sitting o nthe bench. The bookshelfs (160s) will go on the same bench. The rears will be mounted off of some exposed beams on the ceiling.
Bigger question .... if I go with the C25 center (whcih I have) and hte 160s up front. Would it make more sens to get 160s for the rear also instead of 150s? The assumption being that the sound will be more even/balanced that way.
As for placement issue, general guideline for front speakers (L/C/R) are that they should be positioned/pointed at the ear level at your main listening position. Center channel if it is mounted high or low, should be tilted to point to the ear level. Considering that do you think your front speakers (160s) will be at that level?
As for surround, they should be positioned above the ear level, so feel free to experiment with placement, till you find what is best for your room. Here is something, which you may like to take a look.
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout.html
Regarding matching of sound between fronts and surrounds, all the speakers in the primus line are tonally matched, so 150s will be fine too. FWIW, I am using 150s for surrounds.
Hope this helps.
I am the proud owner of a brand new pair of Primus 150's. Circuit City has them for $39.99 each after a $20 mail in rebate - ONLY ON LINE!!
Placement will be an issue, but for now, I'll just be plopping them on the end tables until I figure it out.
Welcome to the club.
These speakers have 2 key holes at the back, so they can be wall mounted. This is from the user manual.
"The Primus 140 and Primus 150 are designed to mount directly to a
wall. Each satellite speaker has two keyholes on the back. Each speaker
will require (2) 1-1/2," #10 wood screws fastened to a wall stud. If a
wall stud is unavailable, install an anchor appropriate for a 1-1/2,"#10
screw."
ecclesand
09-13-06, 04:06 PM
Hi All...
I've been looking at the Primus 150s for my PC. I plan to dig out my old SAE R102 Receiver (50 watts per channel) and use it as my amp. I'll connect my soundcard (Audigy 2 ZS) output to the receiver input and then connect the speakers to the receiver. My primary purpose for the speakers is music, so I'm not interested in a 5.1 or 7.1 system....just a nice 2.0 or 2.1 setup will do fine.
My question is this...Is the bass on the 150s good enough or do I need to look at a subwoofer? I'm not into hip hop or any music with a lot of bass...just good hard rock-n-roll. :D
PULLIAMM
09-13-06, 04:06 PM
The bookshelfs (160s) will go on the same bench.
Make sure the fronts of the speakers are at least flush with the edge of the bench (maybe even overhanging a little.) Otherwise you will have diffraction and/or first-reflections from the bench itself.
My question is this...Is the bass on the 150s good enough or do I need to look at a subwoofer? I'm not into hip hop or any music with a lot of bass...just good hard rock-n-roll. :D
As with any speaker a sub will do wonder to your setup. The sub will create ambient bass versus direct bass from the speakers. I find the ambient bass to be more pleasing and not in your face.
ugly john
09-13-06, 08:34 PM
With those big honkin' Klipsch towers, I assume you will use the 150's as surrounds? They are a good choice for that. Do yourself a favor, though, and try listening to music on them alone or with the sub. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what they can do. :cool:
For surround placement, they have "keyhole" mounting slots (if I remember correctly.)
Oh yeah, they are definitely for surround. I'll have to hook them up separate and give them a try.
Of course, I can't even give them a run as surrounds now- the wife has company over, and I've been banished to the computer room! The horror!!!!
Also, I purchased them from CC on-line, then picked them up at the store. When I got there, they said the in-store price was lower than the on-line price, so I got another $20 bucks off. Final verdict after I get the rebates back is $29.99 each. I almost feel guilty.
OK - I'm over the guilt now! :D
CC is discontinuing all Infinity, so they have some good deals on all of their stuff.
Jeremy Tebo
09-14-06, 10:28 AM
Interesting that they gave you the lower price and the rebate - I figured they had the in-store price at $50 because they didn't have the rebate. Wish I'd have known that, I picked up a pair yesterday. Oh well, my Primus system is now complete! New sub gets here next week...
PULLIAMM
09-14-06, 10:33 AM
OK - I'm over the guilt now! :D
Wow, that was fast! :D
PULLIAMM
09-14-06, 11:10 AM
When I am not at home, I often muse about speaker "upgrades". I see speakers at various price levels (in person or in pictures) and think "those would be nice". I tell myself "it would be great to have something even better than my Primus's".
Then I get home, put on some music and think "Better how? These are awesome!"
andrew_j
09-14-06, 03:06 PM
Nice Thread. For the record I currently have (You can tell I like closeouts - as do many here)
Front = Primus 150s ($40/ea CompUsa closeout)
Center = C25 ($45 CompUsa closeout)
Rear = Infinty US-1s ($15/ea CompUsa closeout)
Sub = Infinity SW-12 ($299 Circuit City closeout)
Sub2 = Mirage FRX-S8 ($40 used)
Receiver = Onkyo TXDS-989Ver2 ($450 Circuit City closeout)
Not a bad system for about $1k. Could have cost less if not for the receiver (I had the Onkyo LR552 for $99, but couldn't pass on the 989v2).
Am a happy HT owner of Primus 250's up front, C25 center, PS 12 sub (a powerhouse), 150's on the side. All driven by a Pioneer 1015 receiver. Have a couple of small Polks in the back for 7.1, soon to be replaced with Primus 140's.
Anybody thinking Primus are just "cheap" speakers should think again. A speaker like Insignia is a cheap speaker. The Primus line is much better quality, and only *inexpensive* because they are being discontinued.
I listened to some Ascends for a week trying to figure out why those little black box Ascends cost almost $400 (I bought them because of all the raves around here), but decided to send them back after comparing to Primus.
Think I might buy 2 more 150's for upstairs and pair them with the PS 8 sub woofer on an old receiver for music. Anybody have a PS 8? It is on closeout for $149 right now.
Have a couple of small Polks in the back for 7.1, soon to be replaced with Primus 140's.
Just curious ... any special reasons for not going with 150s for back surround speakers?
Just curious ... any special reasons for not going with 150s for back surround speakers?
Good point.
For 7 channel music the 150's would be much better. For 7.1 THX sound on movies I don't think it will matter too much. Only reason I am looking at 140's is the size of the speakers, the back wall of our HT is divided between a wet bar and closet, and the 140's fit better side by side.
Good point.
For 7 channel music the 150's would be much better. For 7.1 THX sound on movies I don't think it will matter too much. Only reason I am looking at 140's is the size of the speakers, the back wall of our HT is divided between a wet bar and closet, and the 140's fit better side by side.
Good enough reason to go with 140s :D
PULLIAMM
09-15-06, 08:24 AM
Anybody thinking Primus are just "cheap" speakers should think again. A speaker like Insignia is a cheap speaker. The Primus line is much better quality, and only *inexpensive* because they are being discontinued.
I listened to some Ascends for a week trying to figure out why those little black box Ascends cost almost $400 (I bought them because of all the raves around here), but decided to send them back after comparing to Primus.
Think I might buy 2 more 150's for upstairs and pair them with the PS 8 sub woofer on an old receiver for music. Anybody have a PS 8? It is on closeout for $149 right now.
There are a lot of audio snobs who sneer at Primus because they don't think they cost enough to be "high-end". Making affordable speakers, however, was a conscious choice on Infinity's part. They are quite capable of making high end speakers that blow everyone else's away (and have, of course, done so in the past) but decided instead to distill all that knowledge and experience into speakers like Primus (and to stop making the ultra-expensive ones entirely.)
I have a PS8 in mint condition just sitting in a closet. I tried using it with my Primus 250's, but it didn't add much, in spite of being a nice sub (in my room, the 250's have plenty of bass for me.) It is for sale for $100 to anyone who will pick it up here in OKC. (Shipping isn't worth it.)
audiofreak38
09-15-06, 03:12 PM
Primus 360 owners how do you have your speakers set? I have mine on "large" crossed-over at 80Hz and the C25 center and 150's set to "small". Is this the best way to set them up? I have a Pioneer 1015 and LFE is being handled by a Mirage S12 12" powered sub. Just curious as to how others have set their Primus 360's up.
Primus 360 owners how do you have your speakers set? I have mine on "large" crossed-over at 80Hz and the C25 center and 150's set to "small". Is this the best way to set them up? I have a Pioneer 1015 and LFE is being handled by a Mirage S12 12" powered sub. Just curious as to how others have set their Primus 360's up.
I have them set to small (even 360s). Driven by Onkyo TX-SR504 and LFE goes to Infinity PS12.
PULLIAMM
09-15-06, 03:22 PM
Primus 360 owners how do you have your speakers set? I have mine on "large" crossed-over at 80Hz and the C25 center and 150's set to "small". Is this the best way to set them up? I have a Pioneer 1015 and LFE is being handled by a Mirage S12 12" powered sub. Just curious as to how others have set their Primus 360's up.
Speakers set to "large" are not crossed-over at all. They receive the full-range signal.
micah3sixty
09-15-06, 04:16 PM
For HT purposes, it is recommended to set all speakers as Small and let the sub handle all bass below the crossover setting, preferably 80hz or lower.
Speakers set to "large" are not crossed-over at all. They receive the full-range signal.
That is correct, however on some receivers there is an option, which (if set) will send bass info from front L/R channels to the sub. Not sure if all receivers have this option though. It is called "Double Bass" function on Onkyo 504 and it can be set only if your front speakers are set to large. Options for double bass are on or off.
micah3sixty
09-15-06, 05:58 PM
With the double-bass, you may get more bass at certain frequencies but you will often have problems with cancellation as well, which may outweigh the benefit of the extra bass.
With the double-bass, you may get more bass at certain frequencies but you will often have problems with cancellation as well, which may outweigh the benefit of the extra bass.
That's the reason, I have my front speakers (primus 360s) set to small and double bass set to off. I do use it occasionally for some of my 2 channel music though.
micah3sixty
09-15-06, 06:20 PM
Ditto (except I have Advent H500 instead of primus 360's; very comparable sound quality though).
audiofreak38
09-15-06, 07:42 PM
Speakers set to "large" are not crossed-over at all. They receive the full-range signal.
Well I meant to the C25 center and the 150's. But, thanks for pointing that out.
Vipper IV
09-16-06, 08:27 AM
Looking to get speakers for a 7.1 system, and my Circuit City has some great prices on the Primus'. Unfortunately, their selection is limited, as are my funds. Can I build the whole thing with 150s, using the C250 as my center?
micah3sixty
09-16-06, 11:04 AM
So long as you pair the 150s with a sub, you can use them all around and with the C250 center. For a sub, look at the Athena p4000, Bic H-100, and if you can get it for ~$200, maybe the Infinity PS-12.
Looking to get speakers for a 7.1 system, and my Circuit City has some great prices on the Primus'. Unfortunately, their selection is limited, as are my funds. Can I build the whole thing with 150s, using the C250 as my center?
150s are quite good, but if possible try to get 250s instead for front L/R speakers. They were available at CC for reasonable price. Vanns.com had 250s (store displays) for very attractive price (shipping included).
As for C250, I think it is from Beta series, so you might be better of with C25 as center. It is important that the front speakers (L/C/R) are tonally matched, and C25 is from primus line so all these will match.
audiofreak38
09-16-06, 04:23 PM
Looking to get speakers for a 7.1 system, and my Circuit City has some great prices on the Primus'. Unfortunately, their selection is limited, as are my funds. Can I build the whole thing with 150s, using the C250 as my center?
How big is your room? If it is small the 150's would do an excellent job as long as you match them with a decent powered sub. If, on the other hand, it is rather large then the 250's or the 360's would be a better option. I bought my Primus speakers from Vanns and can't recommend them enough. My local cc did not have much of the Primus speakers left. So, I opted for Vanns. In fact, I also got my Pioneer 1015 and Mirage S12 from Vanns. Anyways, hope this helps. Good luck in your decision. Happy hunting!!!! :) :)
Does anyone know if multiple speakers can be purchased on the same transaction and still get the mail-in-rebates on each item? I'm trying to purchase 2-Infinity PRIMUS 250's and 2-Infinity PRIMUS 150's. Thanks.
Vipper IV
09-18-06, 01:29 PM
Does anyone know if multiple speakers can be purchased on the same transaction and still get the mail-in-rebates on each item? I'm trying to purchase 2-Infinity PRIMUS 250's and 2-Infinity PRIMUS 150's. Thanks.
I sure hope so, as I'm trying the same thing. I saw no indication that there was something wrong with it.
I sure hope so, as I'm trying the same thing. I saw no indication that there was something wrong with it.
Perhaps it is better to call them and verify this. Rebate form on CC's website has this phone# listed.
If you have questions about your rebate, please call 1-877-224-8966. Business hours may vary.
kherman
09-19-06, 01:03 AM
Noticed this posted in one of my threads about Infinity:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=647998&page=4
I think the poster meant to put it here ....
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I’ll be happy to give my views on the Infinity Primus series but can’t contribute any further afterwards to the Owner’s thread since I was not the Systems Design Engineer on the Primus.
-The Primus series was designed approximately four years ago by Bill D. who sat in the cubicle next to mine.
-In my estimation Bill is one of a handful of great loudspeaker design engineers. Bill has devised support software which complements the normal LEAP program we all used. For crossover design this software allows him to quickly come up with an extremely low parts count crossover which gives the best linear on-axis and (off-axis) power response envelope. It is this end result which allows the Primus series to be what I consider the absolute lowest price/highest performance ratio of any loudspeaker series in the Infinity line (if not the entire industry).
-for cost reasons the Primus line and all of its parts were made in China. The crossover components, both capacitors and inductors were lower quality implements that Bill was tasked to use for cost reasons. Same with the cabinet. The Chinese equivalent of 5/8” all around the wrap and back and I believe even on the front baffle. (Though the front may be ľ” (or 19mm).
-I would strongly suggest against ever trying to “upgrade” crossover parts in the quest for more performance. It isn’t gonna happen. Plus loosening and tightening the screws a couple of times and you’ll start to quickly wear out the threads cut into the brittle MDF that is used on these cabinets.
-the greatest chance for seeming unit-to-unit imbalance will come from the production variations of the tweeter. Again, low cost drives a wider plus or minus variation in each tweeter’s response. (I bet this opens up a can of worms…)
-In closing I’d recommend never trying to modify or mess with the Primus or any loudspeaker unit for that manner unless you really know what you’re doing. Just play with set-up, positioning and pointing your speakers and read everything you can about how to fix your room acoustics. Because once that sound launches from the speaker cones they’ve already performed their electrical-to-mechanical-to-acoustic sound wave trick. From there the room takes over. And the further you are from your speakers the more influence the room will exert on the sound at your ears.
Good luck to all’
Patrick
Not much activity here for last couple of days. Seems like every one is busy enjoying their speakers :D
Have Primus 140's installed for surround rears now, and re-calibrated the MCACC on the Pioneer 1015 tonight. Watched a little CSI-NY in 5.1 - the sound is amazing on this system. One thing interesting with the Pioneer is it set all speakers to large when I ran the MCACC again.
PULLIAMM
09-21-06, 08:36 AM
I have moved on to B&W's, but my respect for the Primus's is in no way diminished. My 602's were 3X the (current) price of the 250's and, while definitely an audible upgrade, are certainly nowhere remotely close to 3X better. If I had to go back to the Primus's, I would still enjoy listening to them.
I have moved on to B&W's, but my respect for the Primus's is in no way diminished. My 602's were 3X the (current) price of the 250's and, while definitely an audible upgrade, are certainly nowhere remotely close to 3X better. If I had to go back to the Primus's, I would still enjoy listening to them.
Congrats on your new purchase. I am sure you must be liking those.
audiofreak38
09-21-06, 10:19 AM
I have moved on to B&W's, but my respect for the Primus's is in no way diminished. My 602's were 3X the (current) price of the 250's and, while definitely an audible upgrade, are certainly nowhere remotely close to 3X better. If I had to go back to the Primus's, I would still enjoy listening to them.
I have to say that the B&W 602S3 is an awesome speaker. I am sure the rest of the 600 Series is awesome as well. This brings up an interesting point on just how good the Primus speakers are. Congrats on your new purchase.
Jeremy Tebo
09-21-06, 10:24 AM
Finally got my new sub in last night (Athena P300), so my system is now complete! (For now) For $100 it was quite the bargain, and seems to fit in nicely with the Primus. I was definitely missing the lower bass for the past week. Can't wait to watch a full movie with everything hooked up, only had a few minutes to toy with it last night.
EDIT: So is the consensus that all crossovers should be set around 80hz? I just read that my receiver (Sony DA1ES) sets the default crossover at 120hz (but can be adjusted by 10hz increments) when set at small. Also, since my sub is adjustable, should I set it at perhaps 100hz to cover everything that the receiver sends to it?
FWIW, I see that the specs show low ends of:
250: 49hz
150: 58hz
C25: 80hz
Wonder if I should try setting them to 60, 70, and 90hz respectively. If you couldn't tell, I don't have much experience with crossover settings. Can't wait to get home and experement!
EDIT: So is the consensus that all crossovers should be set around 80hz? I just read that my receiver (Sony DA1ES) sets the default crossover at 120hz (but can be adjusted by 10hz increments) when set at small. Also, since my sub is adjustable, should I set it at perhaps 100hz to cover everything that the receiver sends to it?
Wonder if I should try setting them to 60, 70, and 90hz respectively. If you couldn't tell, I don't have much experience with crossover settings. Can't wait to get home and experement!
1. All speakers set to small
2. Crossover frequency on receiver - 80hz
3. Set crossover frequency on your sub to max (150hz or whatever max it has.)
I think crossover at 80hz will be your best bet.
bgillyjcu
09-21-06, 10:44 PM
How do these Primus 150's compare to the SVS bookshelf speakers the sbs-01?
Anyone actually listen and compare???
Jeremy Tebo
09-22-06, 10:38 AM
axs, whats the reasoning for setting them all to 80hz? I would think that since my receiver is capable I would want to set each separately to get the most out of each speaker. I read somewhere that it's recommended to set the crossover to around 10hz higher than what the speaker can handle. Wouldn't 80 be too low for the center to handle, and too high to allow the 250s to do what they're capable of? Just asking, if there is a good reason to set them to 80 I will. Last night I set them up 60-70-90 and it sounds good, though I kind of doubt there would be much of a difference all at 80. It definitely sounds better than the 120hz default did.
axs, whats the reasoning for setting them all to 80hz? I would think that since my receiver is capable I would want to set each separately to get the most out of each speaker. I read somewhere that it's recommended to set the crossover to around 10hz higher than what the speaker can handle. Wouldn't 80 be too low for the center to handle, and too high to allow the 250s to do what they're capable of? Just asking, if there is a good reason to set them to 80 I will. Last night I set them up 60-70-90 and it sounds good, though I kind of doubt there would be much of a difference all at 80. It definitely sounds better than the 120hz default did.
Subs can handle LFE much better than the main speakers you have listed here. They are designed to do that so it is best that you let them handle LFE even if your speakers can go 20-30 hz below that crossover frequency. In any case, depending on the speakers specs the mains will still get some LFE info below the crossover frequency. Generally most speakers and subs have a crossover slope of 12db/octave or 24dB/octave. Primus series has (250s, 150s, C25 and PS10/12) 24db/octave. For a better/smooth integration of mains and sub, they must overlap each other by a full octave.
I somehow missed the point that your receiver is capable of setting crossover frequency for each channel, so in this case you can actually set center to 100hz and all others to 80hz. All the speakers must be set to small, as the speakers set to large are not crossed over at all.
atdamico
09-22-06, 11:23 AM
How do these Primus 150's compare to the SVS bookshelf speakers the sbs-01?
Anyone actually listen and compare???
At the risk of angering people on this thread, I own some Primus 150's and have a good friend who has the SVS speakers. This is a subjective opinion but these speakers are so far apart in sound that it's really not fair to do a comparrison. Thumbs up for the SVS. My apologies to the many happy 150 owners who are posting here.
PULLIAMM
09-22-06, 11:36 AM
At the risk of angering people on this thread, I own some Primus 150's and have a good friend who has the SVS speakers. This is a subjective opinion but these speakers are so far apart in sound that it's really not fair to do a comparrison. Thumbs up for the SVS. My apologies to the many happy 150 owners who are posting here.
Not that surprising that they are better, really. The SVS speakers are 50% more than the 150's at full MSRP, and over 2 1/2 X the current CC price. On the other hand, I can't believe they would be that much better. After all, I have heard the 150's put in a pretty good showing even compared to some vastly more expensive speakers.
Jeremy Tebo
09-22-06, 11:51 AM
Subs can handle LFE much better than the main speakers you have listed here. They are designed to do that so it is best that you let them handle LFE even if your speakers can go 20-30 hz below that crossover frequency. In any case, depending on the speakers specs the mains will still get some LFE info below the crossover frequency. Generally most speakers and subs have a crossover slope of 12db/octave or 24dB/octave. Primus series has (250s, 150s, C25 and PS10/12) 24db/octave. For a better/smooth integration of mains and sub, they must overlap each other by a full octave.
I somehow missed the point that your receiver is capable of setting crossover frequency for each channel, so in this case you can actually set center to 100hz and all others to 80hz. All the speakers must be set to small, as the speakers set to large are not crossed over at all.
At what frequency does bass generally stop being directional? I understand that it doesn't matter where the lower bass is coming from, but I wonder if the 60-80 range would or not. (I realize this is probably just splitting hairs)
It's probably best for me to play a good movie scene as it is, then change it to 80-80-100 as you suggested and see how it sounds in comparison.
Also it might be worth noting that my sub isn't anything spectacular. (Athena P300) Sounds nice to me, but not one of the behemoths that many people here have. Thats what leads to suspect that maybe it should be reserved for lower frequencies and let the mains do what they can.
Either way, thanks for the helpful advice!
PULLIAMM
09-22-06, 12:07 PM
At what frequency does bass generally stop being directional?
I once tried a sub in a stereo setup. The mains were towers, so I crossed over at a very low 50hz. There was still enough directionality that I had to center the sub between the speakers, otherwise I could tell which one it was closer to! :(
At the risk of angering people on this thread, I own some Primus 150's and have a good friend who has the SVS speakers. This is a subjective opinion but these speakers are so far apart in sound that it's really not fair to do a comparrison. Thumbs up for the SVS. My apologies to the many happy 150 owners who are posting here.
I agree. There is no comparison. My buddy bought some SVS speakers and when he came over to listen to my Primus setup his jaw nearly hit the floor. When I told him I paid about half for my system than he did for his SVS package (with stands), he almost started crying because he said he paid too much and wasted his money. Plus I have a 7.1 channel setup and he has only 5.1.
But, since it was too late (past 30 days) to send his speakers back to SV, he can't get a refund. I mean no disrepect to any SVS owners out there - I am sure you are happy with your systems, but Primus is the better deal. :)
I agree. There is no comparison. My buddy bought some SVS speakers and when he came over to listen to my Primus setup his jaw nearly hit the floor. When I told him I paid about half for my system than he did for his SVS package (with stands), he almost started crying because he said he paid too much and wasted his money. Plus I have a 7.1 channel setup and he has only 5.1.
But, since it was too late (past 30 days) to send his speakers back to SV, he can't get a refund. I mean no disrepect to any SVS owners out there - I am sure you are happy with your systems, but Primus is the better deal. :)
I own 150s and am quite happy with the SQ, but then I have not heard SVS speakers at all, so can't comment on its quality.
This however brings an interesting point that did any of you (mltv, atadamico and your friends) listen to these two side by side, connected to same equipments and listening to same materials or that was just based on an isolated listening (not that it matters to me ... just curious)
bgillyjcu
09-22-06, 02:43 PM
What made his jaw drop exactly?
Clarity? Bass? Loudness? There are a lot of factors and I'd like some more input because I'm ready to make a move to bookshelf speakers and I really like what I READ about the SVS speakers.....only problem....you cannot listen to them anywhere very easily.
At what frequency does bass generally stop being directional? I understand that it doesn't matter where the lower bass is coming from, but I wonder if the 60-80 range would or not. (I realize this is probably just splitting hairs)
It's probably best for me to play a good movie scene as it is, then change it to 80-80-100 as you suggested and see how it sounds in comparison.
Also it might be worth noting that my sub isn't anything spectacular. (Athena P300) Sounds nice to me, but not one of the behemoths that many people here have. Thats what leads to suspect that maybe it should be reserved for lower frequencies and let the mains do what they can.
Either way, thanks for the helpful advice!
Different people have different opinion, but I would say around 100hz (+/- few). I tried at 60-100hz and at least to me it did not sound like localize bass in my setup. Never tried beyond 100hz though, so can't tell about that.
Regarding your sub, I would still think that it will handle LFE better than 250s or 150s or C25.
Let us know, which setting works best for you.
I agree. There is no comparison. My buddy bought some SVS speakers and when he came over to listen to my Primus setup his jaw nearly hit the floor. When I told him I paid about half for my system than he did for his SVS package (with stands), he almost started crying because he said he paid too much and wasted his money. Plus I have a 7.1 channel setup and he has only 5.1.
But, since it was too late (past 30 days) to send his speakers back to SV, he can't get a refund. I mean no disrepect to any SVS owners out there - I am sure you are happy with your systems, but Primus is the better deal. :)
You agree? I think the poster you responded to was stating they preferred the SVS by a wide margin. :p Interesting to see such differing opinions.
atdamico
09-23-06, 09:54 AM
This is going to be risky, given the direction of this thread.
My experience with the 150's are that they are a decent, small, speaker that goes very loud and can take a real beating and still keep on functioning. I find the bass muddy and not very tight at all and the midrange sounds constrained. As I can not find much clarity in the midrange, when added to the fact that the bass seems to boom, I really don't believe that these speakers are a great match for a pair of mains in a HT system or critical music listening. For example when my friend brought over a pair of his SVS speakers and we set them up on stands next to the 150's I have, the difference in the sound quality was tremendous. The SVS midrange was crystal and revealing. They didn't fatigue even after considerable listening and still continued to reveal sounds that the 150's just couldn't seem to reproduce. They (SVS) don't have much of a bottom end, but what there is is tight. Both will need a sub. This holds true with what I heard when I also compared them (150's) to a pair of Triangle Titus 202's that I own. The difference in the midrange between the Triangles and the 150's was nothing short of stunning. But its not fair as this is the Triangle "claim to fame"
Of course I did no level matching and my playing around is not meant to be any kind of scientific comparison. Also keep in mind that the SVS cost much more than the 150's and a pair of Triangle Titus 202's, even used, cost upwards of $350 a pair. So should the SVS and Triangle sound better? Of course. Do they sound $300 better? Matter of opinion, an mine is yes. If all you listen to is the 150's you won't have a frame of comparison so you will be happy. If you listen to other speakers alongside them...
As I have posted before, I use my 150's in my music room where I practice guitar. I play them HARD and I play them LOUD, and for that they are outstanding. I'm not really looking for any sort of critical listening experience. And at less than $50 if I blow one up, who cares?
Of course this is just my OPINION and is not meant to knock anybody else's opinion or to infer than anybody else is wrong and I am right. It's just how I hear it. I would go with SVS or Triangle, or one of many other good bookshelf monitor speakers out there. But then, not to be arrogant, I don't have to worry about budget either and I change speakers often just for the fun of it. Right now in my home I have Wharfdales, Triangles, Infinity's, Vandersteen, and a great pair of old Vintage Altecs I picked up as a project. I have also owned, Dunlavy, Axiom, and too many others to remember.
Are there better speakers than primus series? Absolutely ... Way too many to even count, but that is not the point of this thread. I think it is unfair to compare 150s to the speakers, which are 2.5-3 times more expensive (SVS) and/or Triangles which are 4-4.5 times more expensive.
I have not heard SVS SBS-01, but have heard/read good reviews about it. Its price tag of almost 2.5-3 times of primus 150s, may make it less affordable to people on budget. IMO, primus 150s are great value at the current price range.
I would go with SVS or Triangle, or one of many other good bookshelf monitor speakers out there. But then, not to be arrogant, I don't have to worry about budget either and I change speakers often just for the fun of it.
I am happy for you, but for most some of us, who still have to "worry about budget" primus series is a great value at this price point.
I don't think it's unfair at all to compare the 150's to the SVS speakers. After all, the SVS speakers are $225 a pair - hardly a high end speaker. And I refuse to believe they sound much if any better than the 150's. I've heard the Ascend 170s which run $348 a pair and wasn't impressed.
So if you guys are telling me SVS is the real deal - perhaps I should order them and A/B them myself against the 150's.
As for "worrying about budget", just remember because something is cheap doesn't mean it is inferior. If the SVS speakers were selling for $49 each, my guess is all the pumpers around here would start pumping something else and stop bashing the 150's. A big part of the speaker "mystique" is how much you paid for it and what they look like - how else does this industry justify somebody dropping several thousand dollars on certain brands of speakers? It certainly isn't the sound quality that does it.
Just IMO.
I don't think it's unfair at all to compare the 150's to the SVS speakers. After all, the SVS speakers are $225 a pair - hardly a high end speaker. And I refuse to believe they sound much if any better than the 150's. I've heard the Ascend 170s which run $348 a pair and wasn't impressed.
As I have not auditioned either of them (sbs-01 or 170SE), I can't say about the SQ, but at current prices they are at least 2.5 to 4 times more expensive and if I am looking for a speaker in certain price range, why would I even compare it with something which is 3 times or more expensive.
So if you guys are telling me SVS is the real deal - perhaps I should order them and A/B them myself against the 150's.
You will end up paying return shipping for them. Why not just borrow it for a day or two from your friend. I will love to hear the results.
As for "worrying about budget", just remember because something is cheap doesn't mean it is inferior.
Agreed. 150s sound quite good and current prices make them a great value.
PULLIAMM
09-26-06, 12:02 PM
At 4X the MSRP of the Primus 250's, my B&W 602's were a definite, audible step up. I am not at all convinced that anything less would have been. (The 250's sounded better to me than the $450 Klipsch's that I initially thought of as an "upgrade".)
At 4X the MSRP of the Primus 250's, my B&W 602's were a definite, audible step up. I am not at all convinced that anything less would have been. (The 250's sounded better to me than the $450 Klipsch's that I initially thought of as an "upgrade".)
We all can learn from that, so would it be fair to say that it is better to wait (and save some more money) than doing a lot of intermediate upgrade in search of better SQ.
As I have not auditioned either of them (sbs-01 or 170SE), I can't say about the SQ, but at current prices they are at least 2.5 to 4 times more expensive and if I am looking for a speaker in certain price range, why would I even compare it with something which is 3 times or more expensive.
You will end up paying return shipping for them. Why not just borrow it for a day or two from your friend. I will love to hear the results.
Agreed. 150s sound quite good and current prices make them a great value.
Yeah well I don't really have a "friend" who owns the SBS speakers. My post was a farce, tongue in cheek. I did it to prove a point. I read all kinds of crap on these forums about people who have friends who own other speakers and that is all they are, crap. Other people read it and believe. Nobody ever questions those kind of posts. How many guys do you know who actually own an obscure Internet direct brand of speaker?
That being said, I still think the Primus would hold up in a real comparison to SBS if somebody actually did one.
Now... if you are looking for a good deal on Infinity subwoofer check out the CC price on the PS-8, it's running at $110 after rebate. I purchased one tonight, am going to add it to my setup to complement the PS-12 sub I already have.
Making my HT current setup this:
Primus 250's front
Primus C25 center
Primus 150's side surrrounds
Primus 140's back surrounds
PS-12 sub (front)
PS-8 sub (rear)
Total cost of this package is about $800. Best speaker deal due to the discounts available now.
Now... if you are looking for a good deal on Infinity subwoofer check out the CC price on the PS-8, it's running at $110 after rebate. I purchased one tonight, am going to add it to my setup to complement the PS-12 sub I already have.
Making my HT current setup this:
Primus 250's front
Primus C25 center
Primus 150's side surrrounds
Primus 140's back surrounds
PS-12 sub (front)
PS-8 sub (rear)
Do you really need both PS12 and PS8? I have PS12 and it is plenty for my room, which is almost 22' x 12' x 8'.
Do you have a large room (or a room leading to lot of open areas)? How are you planning to connect this new subwoofer to the receiver?
PULLIAMM
09-27-06, 08:48 AM
Do you really need both PS12 and PS8? I have PS12 and it is plenty for my room, which is almost 22' x 12' x 8'.
Do you have a large room (or a room leading to lot of open areas)? How are you planning to connect this new subwoofer to the receiver?
I will add that the surround channels contain very little bass in any event.
atdamico
09-27-06, 09:30 AM
Yeah well I don't really have a "friend" who owns the SBS speakers. My post was a farce, tongue in cheek. I did it to prove a point. I read all kinds of crap on these forums about people who have friends who own other speakers and that is all they are, crap. Other people read it and believe. Nobody ever questions those kind of posts. How many guys do you know who actually own an obscure Internet direct brand of speaker?
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An arrogant and insulting post from an obviously arrogant and insulting person. Frankly, YOU were the one who lied :eek: and then accuse others of doing the same thing. We tend to judge others by our own standards, don't we? You lie and so expect that others are as well. Just because you have no ethics don't assume others don't. How many people do you know who own Dunlavy? or Triangle? Not very many and I have owned them all. Or Axiom? I love to buy and play around with obscure brands of speakers because I can. I have also owned Infinity RS1's, RS2's, Infinity Overture 2's, and have a pair 150's. If you aren't going to believe anybody unless you can "see" the actual speaker and listen for yourself why are you even here? Somebody asked about SVS and I responded. I am a 150 owner so I have as much right to be on this thread as anybody. Check any of my other post over the 4+ years I have been around here and you will see I have NO agenda. I push NO speaker brand.
Frankly, if I had a budget of what the 150's cost and wanted a speaker for my HT system in that range, knowing what I know now, I'd look for a few used pairs of RS2's and mate them with an Infinity CC2. Absolutly wonderful Infinity speakers that have a brilliant midrange. Don't know why Infinity went away from the RS series. I always found them to be outstanding. And the CC center channel speakers were some of the best center channel speakers Infinity ever produced. But who knows maybe I'm just a lier like you, whose agenda is to get people to only buy used speakers. Yeah, that's the ticket. I think I'll waste my time on an internet site to BS people into buying used Infinity speakers.
I wouldn't accept any advice from anybody who openly admitted to posting a lie, as you have just done, for any reason.
atdamico
09-27-06, 09:49 AM
Are there better speakers than primus series? Absolutely ... Way too many to even count, but that is not the point of this thread. I think it is unfair to compare 150s to the speakers, which are 2.5-3 times more expensive (SVS) and/or Triangles which are 4-4.5 times more expensive.
I have not heard SVS SBS-01, but have heard/read good reviews about it. Its price tag of almost 2.5-3 times of primus 150s, may make it less affordable to people on budget. IMO, primus 150s are great value at the current price range.
I am happy for you, but for most some of us, who still have to "worry about budget" primus series is a great value at this price point.
I completly agree with this post. I was just responding to a question not looking to offend or insult anyone, regardless of what "others" whose honesty must be questioned, might think. I have owned many Infinity speakers and own some now. I like Infinity and have loved some. (Overture and RS series) I have found the Infinity midrange usually sounds great to me, just not in the 150's.
Just wanted to add ... I am using 150s for surrounds and not particularly looking for deep bass etc. They fit quite well in that role. I agree that given the options (and if I could afford), I will not use them as mains.
dontsneeze
09-27-06, 12:04 PM
This may be old news, but the rebate form at CC for the 150's now appears to allow for rebates for multiple speakers, rather than just one. Am I just missing something?
Also, what would be an appropriate center? I will be running four 150's off an onkyo 503. Would another 150 work for a center?
Also, the CC price on the PS 8 sub seems pretty reasonable. Curious if anyone else had any experience with it.
Thanks for all your help.
This may be old news, but the rebate form at CC for the 150's now appears to allow for rebates for multiple speakers, rather than just one. Am I just missing something?
Also, what would be an appropriate center? I will be running four 150's off an onkyo 503. Would another 150 work for a center?
Also, the CC price on the PS 8 sub seems pretty reasonable. Curious if anyone else had any experience with it.
Thanks for all your help.
Go with Primus C25 for center. Never tried 150s for center myself.
PS8 might work for you, if don't have a very large room.
chartwel
09-27-06, 12:48 PM
i have a question for somebody.
i have the 360s for my HT setup and i was wondering if these sound any better with more watts running to them. i have them connected to a sony receiver which does 70 watts per channel and these can go up to 200. should i run separate amps to these to get more wattage? how would i do that and what kind of amp should i get?
any help is definately appreciated.
these already sound great, just wondering if i can do anything to make them even better.
PULLIAMM
09-27-06, 12:54 PM
i have a question for somebody.
i have the 360s for my HT setup and i was wondering if these sound any better with more watts running to them. i have them connected to a sony receiver which does 70 watts per channel and these can go up to 200. should i run separate amps to these to get more wattage? how would i do that and what kind of amp should i get?
any help is definately appreciated.
these already sound great, just wondering if i can do anything to make them even better.
The extra headroom can give them more dynamic punch, and may make the bass sound "tighter" as well. (Sony tends to greatly overstate the wattage on their receivers. An Onkyo rated at 50 watts/ch would have more real-world power.)
chartwel
09-27-06, 12:56 PM
thanks.
so does anybody know how i would go about integrating some amps in my HT and what kinds to get?
i have a question for somebody.
i have the 360s for my HT setup and i was wondering if these sound any better with more watts running to them. i have them connected to a sony receiver which does 70 watts per channel and these can go up to 200. should i run separate amps to these to get more wattage? how would i do that and what kind of amp should i get?
any help is definately appreciated.
these already sound great, just wondering if i can do anything to make them even better.
It will be interesting to try with another AVR (more wattage than the current one) and see if it makes any difference. I would also take into consideration the other speakers in the setup and not go too crazy with the volume though.
Do you really need both PS12 and PS8? I have PS12 and it is plenty for my room, which is almost 22' x 12' x 8'.
Do you have a large room (or a room leading to lot of open areas)? How are you planning to connect this new subwoofer to the receiver?
I have a similar sized room, the rear side of the room leads to an open area. I agree the PS12 may be plenty enough. I might also use the PS8 in another room to replace a passive sub. The price is too good to pass up. But I want to try connection both (Y connector on the LFE input) just to see what it does.
jondele
09-28-06, 11:52 AM
hey guys, i just purchased a new HT setup yesterday at cc. i got the H/K avr 340 and a 5.1 primus series set all for $1100. This is going in a 12x13 room. i got the 250s, 150s and the C25 with a PS8. Did i get it at a reasonable price?? the receiver comes in monday, i cant wait to start playing with it.
my question is , is the 8 inch subwoofer good enuf? or shud i have gone with a 10 inch.
Just wanted to add ... I am using 150s for surrounds and not particularly looking for deep bass etc. They fit quite well in that role. I agree that given the options (and if I could afford), I will not use them as mains.
Same here. I have the 140s as back - mostly for collecting dust. IMO the 150 isn't enough for front.
PULLIAMM
09-28-06, 12:57 PM
Same here. I have the 140s as back - mostly for collecting dust. IMO the 150 isn't enough for front.
When I had the 150's, I used them by themselves in a stereo setup. I thought they sounded quite good, especially for the price.
When I had the 150's, I used them by themselves in a stereo setup. I thought they sounded quite good, especially for the price.
Agreed. 150s sound quite good and are great value given the current discounted price, but my point was that if budget permits, I would certainly upgrade to either 250s or 360s as front L/R. I chose 360s for front L/R for my setup.
my question is , is the 8 inch subwoofer good enuf? or shud i have gone with a 10 inch.
It kind of depends on your expectations from this sub, it will probably be not enough for house crumbling bass, but it might be able to provide decent bass for your room.
Good thing is that you can always take it back to CC, if you don't get enough bass for your taste and get another (bigger and better) one.
But I want to try connection both (Y connector on the LFE input) just to see what it does.
Let us know, how it works for you.
audiofreak38
09-28-06, 09:43 PM
Same here. I have the 140s as back - mostly for collecting dust. IMO the 150 isn't enough for front.
I agree for the most part BUT if the room is SMALL then the 150's should be sufficient. That is, as long as the 150's are mated to a decent powered subwoofer. In larger rooms the 150's would distort quite rapidly and as such the 250's or the 360's would be more ideal.
I have the 140s as back - mostly for collecting dust.
If your receiver has options for A+B speakers, you might very well use them for another room. :D
Let us know, how it works for you.
Well I picked up the PS 8. Having both subs running, the bass is more distributed across the room. I've tried with the PS 12 and PS 8 in different positions, currently have the PS 8 up front next to the 250s, the PS 12 in the rear where it can really rattle the seats. Having 2 subs active is definitely an improvement on the sub sound in my room, but....
I think there is a problem with the PS 8, it sometimes goes into auto standby mode and does not reliably recognize the LFE signal. When it does this, I need to cycle the power to get it to recognize the LFE signal again. My PS 12 has never had this problem. The PS 8 will do this when connected in parallel with the Y cable or when it's the only sub connected, I've tested it both ways.
So I think I'll return the PS 8 to CC - not sure if this is a problem with just the one I purchased or not.
An arrogant and insulting post from an obviously arrogant and insulting person. Frankly, YOU were the one who lied :eek: and then accuse others of doing the same thing. We tend to judge others by our own standards, don't we? You lie and so expect that others are as well. Just because you have no ethics don't assume others don't. How many people do you know who own Dunlavy? or Triangle? Not very many and I have owned them all. Or Axiom? I love to buy and play around with obscure brands of speakers because I can. I have also owned Infinity RS1's, RS2's, Infinity Overture 2's, and have a pair 150's. If you aren't going to believe anybody unless you can "see" the actual speaker and listen for yourself why are you even here? Somebody asked about SVS and I responded. I am a 150 owner so I have as much right to be on this thread as anybody. Check any of my other post over the 4+ years I have been around here and you will see I have NO agenda. I push NO speaker brand.
Frankly, if I had a budget of what the 150's cost and wanted a speaker for my HT system in that range, knowing what I know now, I'd look for a few used pairs of RS2's and mate them with an Infinity CC2. Absolutly wonderful Infinity speakers that have a brilliant midrange. Don't know why Infinity went away from the RS series. I always found them to be outstanding. And the CC center channel speakers were some of the best center channel speakers Infinity ever produced. But who knows maybe I'm just a lier like you, whose agenda is to get people to only buy used speakers. Yeah, that's the ticket. I think I'll waste my time on an internet site to BS people into buying used Infinity speakers.
I wouldn't accept any advice from anybody who openly admitted to posting a lie, as you have just done, for any reason.
atdamico,
You're right I can be arrognant and insulting at times. Don't take it personal, my post was not directed specifically at you, it was a generalization about things I read around here. Sorry I ruffled your feathers.
I believe you about the SVS speakers - so much I am close to ordering a set just to see how good they sound in my setup.
I too like the older Infinitys, I have a pair of QEs (pre RS) with Emit tweeters which I still use for music, but not in the HT. They sound fantastic.
I think there is a problem with the PS 8, it sometimes goes into auto standby mode and does not reliably recognize the LFE signal. When it does this, I need to cycle the power to get it to recognize the LFE signal again. My PS 12 has never had this problem. The PS 8 will do this when connected in parallel with the Y cable or when it's the only sub connected, I've tested it both ways.
So I think I'll return the PS 8 to CC - not sure if this is a problem with just the one I purchased or not.
It is normal for subs to get into standby mode after 10-15 minutes of system inactivity (when no signal is detected), but they should power back on (without having to power cycle them), when signal is available again.
I think you will be fine with only PS12.
It is normal for subs to get into standby mode after 10-15 minutes of system inactivity (when no signal is detected), but they should power back on (without having to power cycle them), when signal is available again.
I think you will be fine with only PS12.
Well the PS-8 went back to CC. I tried it in another setup with another receiver and had the same problem.
I agree the PS-12 is enough for the room. But I did end up moving to sub to the rear of the room (behind the seating area), instead of up front by the 250's.
I set the 250's up front to "large" on my Pioneer 1015, and sub to "plus" mode. All other speakers are in "small" mode.
Am currently really liking this setup, the bass is more evenly distributed across the room.
At 4X the MSRP of the Primus 250's, my B&W 602's were a definite, audible step up. I am not at all convinced that anything less would have been. (The 250's sounded better to me than the $450 Klipsch's that I initially thought of as an "upgrade".)
What impresses me most is the imaging, you can't tell where the sound is coming from when listening to 2 channel music with the 250's.
If you think the 602's are a definite step up, think I'll be auditioning them soon!
PULLIAMM
10-04-06, 08:30 AM
What impresses me most is the imaging, you can't tell where the sound is coming from when listening to 2 channel music with the 250's.
If you think the 602's are a definite step up, think I'll be auditioning them soon!
Imaging is very definitely a strong point of the Primus's.
If you audition the 602's and want to give them a fair shake, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. First, if the showroom is large (compared to our own room), they will sound better when you get them home. Second, the Primus 250's emphasize the bass "presence" region (around 100-150hz), while the 602's do not. This can initially make the 602's seem bass-shy. Listening to something with stong, extended bass will cure this illusion. Finally, the 602's are a bit less sensitive than the 250's, so be sure to level match (and bypass the tone controls if you have that option.) :cool:
I love my 602's, but the 250's are wonderful speakers in their own right. Enjoy them while you have them!
SailorKane
10-04-06, 01:23 PM
I have an older Infinity setup. LR are Kappa 7.1's. Center is Video 1. Surrounds are old Infinity bookshelfs that have been wrecked. Powered Velodyne 15" sub.
Getting a new Yamaha 2700 7.1 receiver soon and need new surrounds and middle surrounds. I was thinking of either the 250 or 360 for L & R surrounds, and the 150's for the two middle surrounds. I mostly use it for HT, but also some for music.
Thoughts on the 250 or 360 for LR surrounds? How would they mesh with the Kappa's?
Thanks.
SailorKane
10-05-06, 12:21 PM
I got a lot of information from Infinity, via email. They have been super responsive and very helpful!
Looks like I am considering the Primus 360 for LR surrounds and Primus 150's for middle surrounds. And keep the Kappa 7.1's for the fronts.
The old surrounds I had were the SR2002's. Small bookshelf Infinity speakers. Anyone have any information on these? They would need to have the woofer reconed. Would it be worth it?
What speakers would be comparable to the Kappa 7.1's? For a street price of about a grand per speaker? ANyone have any ideas?
I have an older Infinity setup. LR are Kappa 7.1's. Center is Video 1. Surrounds are old Infinity bookshelfs that have been wrecked. Powered Velodyne 15" sub.
Getting a new Yamaha 2700 7.1 receiver soon and need new surrounds and middle surrounds. I was thinking of either the 250 or 360 for L & R surrounds, and the 150's for the two middle surrounds. I mostly use it for HT, but also some for music.
Thoughts on the 250 or 360 for LR surrounds? How would they mesh with the Kappa's?
Thanks.
If you are not too much into multi channel music, do you really need 360s as surround speakers?
Primus 150s/160s should be enough for surrounds and rear surrounds. FWIW, I use 150s as surround in my 5.1 setup - mainly HT. As far as music, goes I mainly listen to 2 channel music and have 360s as fronts.
SailorKane
10-06-06, 12:03 AM
If you are not too much into multi channel music, do you really need 360s as surround speakers?
Primus 150s/160s should be enough for surrounds and rear surrounds. FWIW, I use 150s as surround in my 5.1 setup - mainly HT. As far as music, goes I mainly listen to 2 channel music and have 360s as fronts.
So, you think the 360's are overkill for surrounds? I am concerned about that too.
Thoughts?
So, you think the 360's are overkill for surrounds? I am concerned about that too.
Thoughts?
IMHO, 360s are overkill for surrounds. 150s are good and I think 160s will perhaps be better. If you like, run it by Infinity folks again to see what they think of this combination - 160s for surrounds and 150s back/rear surrounds.
SailorKane
10-06-06, 10:06 AM
Thanks. Didn't know about the 160's. I'll take a look.
PULLIAMM
10-06-06, 10:09 AM
IMHO, 360s are overkill for surrounds. 150s are good and I think 160s will perhaps be better. If you like, run it by Infinity folks again to see what they think of this combination - 160s for surrounds and 150s back/rear surrounds.
I agree. Remember that movie soundtracks typically don't send much bass to the surrounds anyhow.
Just checked CC web site and the price of 150s are now $30 after rebate.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Infinity-Bookshelf-Speaker-PRIMUS-150/sem/rpsm/oid/75519/catOid/-12950/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
So any one still planning to get them, should get them now. They do not seem to have any other primus line speakers any more. Must be getting close to being sold out.
SailorKane
10-07-06, 12:43 PM
Just checked CC web site and the price of 150s are now $30 after rebate.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Infinity-Bookshelf-Speaker-PRIMUS-150/sem/rpsm/oid/75519/catOid/-12950/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
So any one still planning to get them, should get them now. They do not seem to have any other primus line speakers any more. Must be getting close to being sold out.
I just got two. They're pretty nice for surrounds. However, how do I apply for the rebate? No paper came with the speakers and I don't see anything on their web site to apply for the rebate, but I might have missed it.
Help anyone?
I just got two. They're pretty nice for surrounds. However, how do I apply for the rebate? No paper came with the speakers and I don't see anything on their web site to apply for the rebate, but I might have missed it.
Help anyone?
The rebate form can be downloaded or printed from CC web site
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Infinity-Bookshelf-Speaker-PRIMUS-150/sem/rpsm/oid/75519/catOid/-12950/rpem/ccd/RebateDetailsPopup.do?oid=75519
SailorKane
10-07-06, 03:23 PM
The rebate form can be downloaded or printed from CC web site
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Infinity-Bookshelf-Speaker-PRIMUS-150/sem/rpsm/oid/75519/catOid/-12950/rpem/ccd/RebateDetailsPopup.do?oid=75519
Thanks. Worked just fine.
Peace.
Does anyone know if the c25 would be a good match for the older rs525 towers?
rs525 specs:
Frequency Response: 52Hz - 25kHz (+/-3dB)
Crossover Frequency(ies): 2.8kHz
Sensitivity: 92dB (2.83 volts/1 meter)
Nominal Impedance: Compatible with 8 ohms
Power Rating: 20 - 150 watts/RMS into 6 ohms
Woofer: 6.5" IMG
Tweeter: 1" ferrofluid cooled polycell
Primus C25 is specifically designed for primus series of speakers. Even though, I have no experience with RS525s, but I doubt that C25 will be a good match for them.
Perhaps you should call or email Infinity, they might be able to suggest something.
audiofreak38
10-09-06, 05:33 PM
Hello people hope all is well. I have a question regarding the Primus 150's. I have the 360's up front matched with the C25 center and the 150's taking up rear duty comprising a 5.1. I want to put the 150's up on my wall as rear speakers are supposed to be. Do any of you have a similiar set-up? If so, how did you mount the 150's? I also want to be able to angle them. Anybody know of any brackets I could buy at a reasonable cost? How high should the 150's be placed? I was guessing say 5'-6' off of the floor. Is that a good idea? Please help if you can. Thanks and have a great day. :) :) :)
Cheers,
Phil
Hello people hope all is well. I have a question regarding the Primus 150's. I have the 360's up front matched with the C25 center and the 150's taking up rear duty comprising a 5.1. I want to put the 150's up on my wall as rear speakers are supposed to be. Do any of you have a similiar set-up? If so, how did you mount the 150's? I also want to be able to angle them. Anybody know of any brackets I could buy at a reasonable cost? How high should the 150's be placed? I was guessing say 5'-6' off of the floor. Is that a good idea? Please help if you can. Thanks and have a great day. :) :) :)
Cheers,
Phil
I have exact same setup with 150s for surround. I am using these speaker stands (in case interested)
http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-EF-SATB-Foundations-Adjustable-Satellite/dp/B0002481EQ/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/104-3415770-5799932?ie=UTF8
From floor to the top of 150s, is about 4' 8" in my setup. General guideline for surround speakers are placing them above the ear level, so anything between 1-2' above ear level should be fine. Try out different hights and see which one sounds better to you.
DaisyHead
10-10-06, 11:55 AM
Count me in as a huge Primus believer. My 360s with Onkyo 703 just ROCK the house with beautiful music. Just added an SVS 25-31pci and the music is just HEAVENLY. I am falling in love with music all over again!!!
juiceblrc
10-10-06, 12:22 PM
Hey audiofreak,
This is waht I used to mount my 150's on the wall. I bought them at futureshop (since i live in canada).
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10007784&catid=10014
Most wall mounts that I saw were flimsy could only hold 10 pound speakers. these are heavy duty & can hold up to 55 pound speakers.
Question to you Infinity 150 owners. If you buy 5-7 speakers from circuit city online, can you actually get 5-7 $20 rebates? Sometimes rebates are limited to 1 per customer.
Anybody know for sure?
gab2409
10-10-06, 08:16 PM
vann's has a huge deal on primus speakers. no tax, no shipping. I just picked this set up:
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542199665
audiofreak38
10-10-06, 08:20 PM
Hey audiofreak,
This is waht I used to mount my 150's on the wall. I bought them at futureshop (since i live in canada).
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10007784&catid=10014
Most wall mounts that I saw were flimsy could only hold 10 pound speakers. these are heavy duty & can hold up to 55 pound speakers.
Yeah those are nice BUT I am in US. Need to find something here and more affordable. But, thanks for your help.
Watson5
10-10-06, 10:14 PM
Tried to order the Infinity Primus 150s from cc website today, but order would not go through. Called their 800 number and was told the warehouse doesn't have anymore and that I could not order them because they are on closeout and will not get anymore in. The only way to get them is if a cc store still has some. Of course, no store within 100 miles of me had any.
Anyone else have the same experience.
Hey audiofreak,
This is waht I used to mount my 150's on the wall. I bought them at futureshop (since i live in canada).
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10007784&catid=10014
Most wall mounts that I saw were flimsy could only hold 10 pound speakers. these are heavy duty & can hold up to 55 pound speakers.
They are nice, but kind of expensive for $30-40 speakers.
Tried to order the Infinity Primus 150s from cc website today, but order would not go through. Called their 800 number and was told the warehouse doesn't have anymore and that I could not order them because they are on closeout and will not get anymore in. The only way to get them is if a cc store still has some. Of course, no store within 100 miles of me had any.
Anyone else have the same experience.
It does say "out of stock online" on CCs web site now.
Hello people hope all is well. I have a question regarding the Primus 150's. I have the 360's up front matched with the C25 center and the 150's taking up rear duty comprising a 5.1. I want to put the 150's up on my wall as rear speakers are supposed to be. Do any of you have a similiar set-up? If so, how did you mount the 150's? I also want to be able to angle them. Anybody know of any brackets I could buy at a reasonable cost? How high should the 150's be placed? I was guessing say 5'-6' off of the floor. Is that a good idea? Please help if you can. Thanks and have a great day. :) :) :)
Cheers,
Phil
If you don't need to angle them, they mount flush using wall anchors and screws for the keyhole slots. I have mine about 5 ft. up on the side walls, and some 140's in back mounted the same way. I also tried them on stands, but like the sound better up higher than the stands.
vann's has a huge deal on primus speakers. no tax, no shipping. I just picked this set up:
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542199665
The package prices are quite good - did you go with the 7.1 or 5.1 setup?
gab2409
10-11-06, 07:13 AM
5.1. I ordered at like 3 pm on tuesday, and had the tracking numbers by 5 that night. +1 for vann's.
juiceblrc
10-11-06, 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceblrc
Hey audiofreak,
This is waht I used to mount my 150's on the wall. I bought them at futureshop (since i live in canada).
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pr...784&catid=10014
Most wall mounts that I saw were flimsy could only hold 10 pound speakers. these are heavy duty & can hold up to 55 pound speakers.
Axs:
They are nice, but kind of expensive for $30-40 speakers.
Hey Axs,
You are right but, they are cheaper & more stable than speaker stands that i was looking at. Also. most stands were only 36" high. I needed the speakers to be higher than that. I did buy them before i started to read this forum.
lizard84
10-11-06, 07:28 PM
Tried to order the Infinity Primus 150s from cc website today, but order would not go through. Called their 800 number and was told the warehouse doesn't have anymore and that I could not order them because they are on closeout and will not get anymore in. The only way to get them is if a cc store still has some. Of course, no store within 100 miles of me had any.
Anyone else have the same experience.
I tried to order the 150's on tuesday but the website cleared my cart when I tried to order two. I called the 800 number and was told they were on closeout and they only had 1 left.
The wed site said none were in the local 3 stores But
I happened in my local CC today, In the speaker area they had a set so I asked them if they had any in an unopen boxes. I lucked out and walked out with what they said were the last two.
So I would check the local stores in person or at the very least over the phone
Bob
axlemay
10-11-06, 09:12 PM
Got mine in CC (Chicago) last two days but they said they can't match the online price with the mail in rebate instead they offered me for a pair $82.++ so I grabbed it coz its $6 dollar difference compared online. And they have 4 spkrs left. When my onkyo 504 arrived next week and if sounds good I'll will get the last pair.
OK Primus owners, thought I would mix it up a little and see what kind of music you guys listen to. I'm mostly an acoustic rock type, like clear and crisp sound.
Tonight the wife dropped in a Black Eyed Peas CD and said "let's see how this sounds on those speakers of yours" and turned up the volume. Simply incredible. For movies I know I needed that PS 12 sub - now I know what it can really do for music.
JonathanG
10-12-06, 12:11 AM
Just to let anyone searching for primus know. If you visit CC in person they still may have the display models in stock sitting on a shelf somewhere. In my case they did and I got 150's for rear surrounds @ 30 a pair. A few dings on them but they sound good.
Its probably already stated here somewhere but their moving to Kef, Boston and Dennon lineups.
axlemay
10-12-06, 08:46 AM
Even though I'd ordered onkyo 504. I still have a second thought for pioneer 816 to the drive the primus.And if pio 816 used for primus 150.It would be ok even if pio 816 has 110 watts?
And if pio 816 used for primus 150.It would be ok even if pio 816 has 110 watts?
It will be fine. Just don't crank up the volume all the way up (max).
audiofreak38
10-12-06, 11:24 AM
If you don't need to angle them, they mount flush using wall anchors and screws for the keyhole slots. I have mine about 5 ft. up on the side walls, and some 140's in back mounted the same way. I also tried them on stands, but like the sound better up higher than the stands.
Great point BUT my couch is against the back wall so I really need to angle the 150's inward. Stands wont work becuase I want to be able to place them higher than what most stands go. Kinda looks like I may just have to put them on the back-wall and fire them straight out into my room. I may experiment w/it and see how it sounds.
Great point BUT my couch is against the back wall so I really need to angle the 150's inward. Stands wont work becuase I want to be able to place them higher than what most stands go. Kinda looks like I may just have to put them on the back-wall and fire them straight out into my room. I may experiment w/it and see how it sounds.
For 5.1 setup, generally speakers are placed on the side with 90-110 degree angle in to main listening position.
If possible, use some make shift arrangement to place speakers at different height and see what works best for you. As I mentioned earlier, I use a stand which is about 43-44" (I think it can be increased another 2-3", if needed) and 150s are placed on top of it, so total height from floor to top of the speaker is about 56-57". If that works for you, that stand was something like $45, when I got it.
Putting these on back wall perhaps not a good idea for 5.1 setup, but if it works for you nothing wrong with that too.
audiofreak38
10-12-06, 09:09 PM
For 5.1 setup, generally speakers are placed on the side with 90-110 degree angle in to main listening position.
If possible, use some make shift arrangement to place speakers at different height and see what works best for you. As I mentioned earlier, I use a stand which is about 43-44" (I think it can be increased another 2-3", if needed) and 150s are placed on top of it, so total height from floor to top of the speaker is about 56-57". If that works for you, that stand was something like $45, when I got it.
Putting these on back wall perhaps not a good idea for 5.1 setup, but if it works for you nothing wrong with that too.
Yeah I will experiment and see what I can come up with. Right now am so busy w/packaging gear because sold some of my stuff. Still got more to sell and trying to get it ready for shipping as well.
I've had this Primus set up for about year in Cherry I purchased from Circuity City Powering it with an Onkyo 603 Rcvr. It does well enough for my viewing and listening needs. Nothing extraordinary by any means but is plenty enjoyable
http://www.excelia-hifi.cz/newobr/InfinityPrimus.jpg
andrew_j
10-13-06, 09:07 AM
I have been using 150s up front, along with the C25 center. Overall, I have been very happy with this setup. However, I always felt the center channel could be a little better. When I bought a new sub (Infinity SW-12), I really did not need my Mirage FRX-S8 (8" sub) anymore.
Rather than sell the Mirage, I tried using the center channel pre-out, and directing it to the 8" sub. I found this added that little bit of extension I thought the C25 was lacking. I am fortunate with the ayout of my viewing room, because I can put the 8" sub directly under the C25, which sits directly under the screen. This gives me a 3-way center - and really improved the lower frequency dialogue. You really need a musical sub to do this - boomy ones would not work.
Just a tip if anyone else feels the same way about the C25. I bought my mirage sub years ago for $40, and I still see them & it's energy 8" counterpart sell on ebay for < $100. They are quite good subs, but don't have enough output to really amaze in low freq LFE.
hbehrman
10-13-06, 09:22 AM
I have been using 150s up front, along with the C25 center. Overall, I have been very happy with this setup. However, I always felt the center channel could be a little better.
I have heard this a lot about the C25 and I love my 150's. My solution was to go with the Beta C360 as my center. My plan is to get Beta 40's or 50's to replace the 150's up front and use the 150's as surrounds.
Any suggestions or comments about my planned solution or other folks' experience with the Primus line matched to the Beta centers (C250 or C360)?
Thanks.
I ran out and got some of the Primus speakers from CC to match the Inifity CC-3 center channel and the BU-1 12" sub that I already have. I picked up a pair of 250's (under $200) and put in an order for 3-Primus 150's for surround and rear channel. The CC-3 was a pretty good center speaker in it's day and it seems to match well to my ear (it also has it's own tone control a.k.a. voice matching) but should I spring for another primus for the center channel. If so, could I get by with another 150 or should I get the actual Primus center channel speaker (much more expensive)?
Opinions?
Jeremy Tebo
10-13-06, 10:47 AM
I had considered the same thing hbehrman is doing, buying the Beta C360 center to go with my 250s. I ended up following the advice on this board and going with the primus C25 instead though. I suppose if you plan on upgrading the fronts to Betas anyway it was probably a good idea. How does it sound now with the mixed front? I would guess that the C360 might be a bit overpowering compared to the 150s, but who knows.
RichE, maybe you could try using the 150 as center first to see what it sounds like. Or just buy the C25, do an a/b comparison, and take back what you decide not to use. I'd be surprised if the 150 did as good a job as the C25, but who knows. Might be minimal difference in sound quality for a somewhat big price difference. Of course their clearance price for the C25 is a bargain anyway.
gab2409
10-13-06, 11:26 AM
Rather than sell the Mirage, I tried using the center channel pre-out, and directing it to the 8" sub. I found this added that little bit of extension I thought the C25 was lacking. I am fortunate with the ayout of my viewing room, because I can put the 8" sub directly under the C25, which sits directly under the screen. This gives me a 3-way center - and really improved the lower frequency dialogue. You really need a musical sub to do this - boomy ones would not work.
how did you hook this up? was there a center channel pre-out from the receiver? how did you hook both up at the same time? I have the dayton 10"...would this be too boomy, if I crossed it over(from the sub) at say, 120hz?
andrew_j
10-13-06, 02:08 PM
Yes, I used the center channel pre-out.
If your dayton is an extra sub in your system, you might want to give this a a try. If you don't have a pre-out for center, then you could also try this if the sub has speaker wire in and out connections on the back.
I tried running dual subs, but one is enough for me. Using the other to help the center made a bigger difference.
throwback559
10-14-06, 06:34 AM
wheres the best place to order the 250's or 360's ?
I have a small room will the 360's be to much ? also Im looking for the C25 also
can some one help :confused:
xttrapshooter
10-14-06, 01:48 PM
theres a seller on ebay that has 2 pairs of 360's for a really good price.
I am using Primus 250 mainly for stereo music. I'm thinking of upgrading to the Primus 360. Has anyone compared the two? Is the 360 boomy or muddy in the bass? Thanks.
I have heard this a lot about the C25 and I love my 150's. My solution was to go with the Beta C360 as my center. My plan is to get Beta 40's or 50's to replace the 150's up front and use the 150's as surrounds.
Any suggestions or comments about my planned solution or other folks' experience with the Primus line matched to the Beta centers (C250 or C360)?
Thanks.
I set up Beta 50's front with Beta C250 center and compared them to Primus 250's in front with the C25 center at home.
First of all, after much listening, I returned the Beta's (even though I payed less for them on open box) because the sound was darker and lacked the clear midrange of the Primus, and the bass seemed a little heavy. However the highs were more musical on the Beta's.
The center C25 center channel was loader and definitely was a better match to the Primus than to the Beta. However the C250 center has much more base. I kept the C25 and returned the C250 which I bought for about the same price.
I really like the Primus 250s. Now, I am thinking of buying the 360's, but don't know if they are much better
theres a seller on ebay that has 2 pairs of 360's for a really good price.
Just keep in mind the shipping charges too. IMO, if you end up paying anywhere in the range of $350 (inclusive of s&h) for a pair of these from ebay, you are better of by getting it from an authorized dealers like crutchfield or vanns (no preference here). It will be a little extra $$, but you will get 5 years warranty. Infinity will only provide warranty support, if you bought it from authorized dealers.
I set up Beta 50's front with Beta C250 center and compared them to Primus 250's in front with the C25 center at home.
First of all, after much listening, I returned the Beta's (even though I payed less for them on open box) because the sound was darker and lacked the clear midrange of the Primus, and the bass seemed a little heavy. However the highs were more musical on the Beta's.
The center C25 center channel was loader and definitely was a better match to the Primus than to the Beta. However the C250 center has much more base. I kept the C25 and returned the C250 which I bought for about the same price.
I really like the Primus 250s. Now, I am thinking of buying the 360's, but don't know if they are much better
It really depends on individual taste and preferences, so it is good way to decide about audio purchases.
However, Beta 50s are also very good speakers but they need a little bit more space to perform, so if you had placed them closer to the wall they might sound like what you experienced. You need to place them good 3-4' away from the wall.
PULLIAMM
10-16-06, 08:58 AM
I have a pair of 250's and a PS8 that I will sell for half of what I paid. Because of their size and weight, however, shipping would cost as much or more than I am asking for the speakers themselves. If someone is interested and can pick them up in Oklahoma City, PM me.
WRXpilot
10-17-06, 11:57 AM
Question for current owners of these speakers: has the Primus line been discontinued as I've heard rumors of around the net?
I've been thinking about upgrading my HTiB speakers, and the Primus (150 mains, 140 surrounds & C25 center) look like a no-brainer option. For budget reasons I have to upgrade piece by piece though. I'd hate to buy my mains only to have the rest be discontinued and unavailable later when I can afford to add them.
If they are being discontinued, is there a replacement in the works with an equivalent price/performance value, or is Infinity moving on to something else?
gab2409
10-17-06, 12:50 PM
they are being discontinued, but I haven't seen the replacement. a couple of options...vann's has some good deals going right now on packages(I know you want to piece it, but an fyi). they have a set with 4 150's and the c25 for 300(shipped, I think), and they have(or had) the 250's, 150's, c25, and ps10 for 599 shipped. I got in on that deal. they had it a while back, then sold out quickly, reopened the sale, then sold out again. you can call to see if they'll get the 250's again. hell of a deal, I think. mine will be delivered today, as well.
Question for current owners of these speakers: has the Primus line been discontinued as I've heard rumors of around the net?
Not really sure, if Infinity is discontinuing them or not. Primus line is still showing up on Infinity's web site. CC is not going to carry them now and for that reason they had primus speakers for discounted price for a while. I still see lot of online stores carrying them.
I've been thinking about upgrading my HTiB speakers, and the Primus (150 mains, 140 surrounds & C25 center) look like a no-brainer option. For budget reasons I have to upgrade piece by piece though. I'd hate to buy my mains only to have the rest be discontinued and unavailable later when I can afford to add them.
I would go with 150s for surrounds too. There is not that much difference in price of 150s vs 140s. Even if they are discotinued, you may still find them on eBay.
PULLIAMM
10-17-06, 02:04 PM
I still see lot of online stores carrying them.
My local Ultimate Electronics still carries them.
john_ops
10-18-06, 10:39 PM
Not really sure, if Infinity is discontinuing them or not. Primus line is still showing up on Infinity's web site. CC is not going to carry them now and for that reason they had primus speakers for discounted price for a while. I still see lot of online stores carrying them.
Spoke to a retailer yesterday about the Primus 360's - the reason that they're on heavy discount at Vanns, Crutchfield, etc. is that they're being replaced with a "new" Primus. So the Primus series isn't being discontinued, but all of these individual models are...
So here's the real question - is it worth $300+shipping for a pair of these? Even if they just hold me over for 2-3 years until I get a new pair of "real" speakers? If you push, you can find them at this price these days, new A stock... I was thinking of getting the Wharfedale Diamond 9.6's for around $1k, but now I'm tempted to get the 360's as my hold-over speakers until I get something really nice in a few years... What do you all think???
J
I am new here and looking into setup HT using the 2x250, 4x150 and PS8. However, my entertainment center doesn't have a good place for center speaker, say C25. Is it ok for me to use 250 as center speaker?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
I am new here and looking into setup HT using the 2x250, 4x150 and PS8. However, my entertainment center doesn't have a good place for center speaker, say C25. Is it ok for me to use 250 as center speaker?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
I think that will work fine, but how are you going to place 250, if you say you don't have space for C25. 250 also is a big speaker.
Another option will be to use either