At the request of some of my fellow Primus owners, I am starting this thread for general discussion of these speakers.
Post here with any comments, questions, suggestions, concerns, etc. regarding Primus speakers.
I am so pleased with my Primus 250's that I have returned to them after listening to more expensive speakers on more than one occasion. They have excellent imaging, clean highs, lifelike midrange, and much more powerful bass than one would expect for their size. They are also transparent to an astonishing degree. I can look right at them and not identify them as the source of the sound. Overall, they are outstanding even at full MSRP, and a steal on sale.
If (when) I upgrade, it will not be to improve "shortcomings" of the Primus's, but rather because I think "these are so good, imagine something even better!" :D
(This is without even having heard the 360's yet.)

I have the 250s and C25 up front, 150s for surround and 140s for rear. Completing the setup with a PS-12. I find my setup to be on the warm side. A bright receiver like the panny SAXR57 goes very well with these speakers.

You will need a strong receiver to power these speakers. Anything less than 50 real watt will not cut it for these speakers. They're less efficient than the Paradigms I have at work.

If given the chance I would upgrade my fronts to the 360.

Just last week I got the 250s and C25 to replace my front speakers, very happy with them so far. Probably going to buy the 150s to replace the surrounds this week.

How can you tell how many "real" watts a receiver has? I have a Sony DA1ES that seems to have more than enough power, just curious.

Off topic, but does anyone else find it odd how the Primus look nicer than the Betas? I really didn't like the looks of the grill on the Betas.

These days can't even take a short road trip without missing something :D
Seriously, It is great that Pulliamm started this thread. I mean his love for primus 250s are well known on this forum, so who can be better than him to start this thread.

Pulliamm, Thanks a lot.

Off topic, but does anyone else find it odd how the Primus look nicer than the Betas? I really didn't like the looks of the grill on the Betas.
I must be the only one who really likes the Beta grills. On the other hand, I like the looks of the Primus, especially the way the grills blend smoothly with the cabinet. (They look good without grills also.)

My setup:

Pair of 360 fronts, C25 center channel, a pair of ES 110's in the cieling, and a PS12 subwoofer.

I absolutely love this system! I never knew what I was missing until seeing/hearing movies and football games on this system!

I am pushing it with an Onkyo 603X receiver and couldn't be happier with the results. I have Zone 2 set up on the back patio with a pair of Polk 45 outdoor spkrs.

I do have one question: What crossover setting are you guys using for the sub? I manually set my front spkr config to "small" on the receiver, and it gave me a crossover of 100hz. I backed it down to 60, and have been palying with it ever since to try to find the setting that is just right. Any suggestions?

My setup:

Pair of 360 fronts, C25 center channel, a pair of ES 110's in the cieling, and a PS12 subwoofer.

I absolutely love this system! I never knew what I was missing until seeing/hearing movies and football games on this system!

I am pushing it with an Onkyo 603X receiver and couldn't be happier with the results. I have Zone 2 set up on the back patio with a pair of Polk 45 outdoor spkrs.

I do have one question: What crossover setting are you guys using for the sub? I manually set my front spkr config to "small" on the receiver, and it gave me a crossover of 100hz. I backed it down to 60, and have been palying with it ever since to try to find the setting that is just right. Any suggestions?
I have same setup except ES110. I have 150s for the surrounds.
I use 80hz for crossover and of course all speakers are set to small. Having said that there is no harm is trying different settings, keep the one which you like best. You may also like to try moving the sub at different places in the room and see if they are any better or worse. Go with the one, which sounds best to you from your main listening place/position.

Once, I A/Bed the Primus 250's with my Def Tech BP8b's ($800) in my 2-channel setup and preferred the 250's. Since then, I have gotten a new amp (Carver.) Tonight I am going to do the A/B again. If I still prefer the 250's, I will order 360's from Crutchfield for $400, and these will be my last upgrade for a long time (I hope.)

I must be the only one who really likes the Beta grills. On the other hand, I like the looks of the Primus, especially the way the grills blend smoothly with the cabinet. (They look good without grills also.)

Speaking of that, do you leave the grills on or off? I have no kids or pets, so I don't really risk doing any damage to them. Is there supposed to be a sound difference? I think they look a little better off. When I asked my girlfriend, she thought they stood out more and looked a little more "manly" with them off, but blended in better with them on.

Not an owner but I have auditioned the Primus 250 and 360 and can recommend them for the price. I prefered the sound/tone from the 360's more and they seemed to image a little better. They also appear to be built and designed well.

If (when) I upgrade, it will not be to improve "shortcomings" of the Primus's, but rather because I think "these are so good, imagine something even better!" :D
(This is without even having heard the 360's yet.)

If given the chance I would upgrade my fronts to the 360.

Both of you might like 360s better. IMO, separate midrange driver made a lot of difference.

Not an owner but I have auditioned the Primus 250 and 360 and can recommend them for the price. I prefered the sound/tone from the 360's more and they seemed to image a little better. They also appear to be built and designed well.

Agreed. I had both 250s and 360s for about 4-5 days and I preferred 360s.

Once, I A/Bed the Primus 250's with my Def Tech BP8b's ($800) in my 2-channel setup and preferred the 250's. Since then, I have gotten a new amp (Carver.) Tonight I am going to do the A/B again. If I still prefer the 250's, I will order 360's from Crutchfield for $400, and these will be my last upgrade for a long time (I hope.)
Having liked 250s so much, I knew you couldn't resist 360s for long. We will eagerly wait for your initial impressions of 360s.

Speaking of that, do you leave the grills on or off? I have no kids or pets, so I don't really risk doing any damage to them. Is there supposed to be a sound difference? I think they look a little better off. When I asked my girlfriend, she thought they stood out more and looked a little more "manly" with them off, but blended in better with them on.
With the grills on, I tend to focus my eyes (when my eyes are open) into the space between the speakers and "see" the music. With the grills off, I tend to look at the speakers. For this reason, I usually leave them on.
If there is any difference in sound, it is too subtle for me to hear.

Having liked 250s so much, I knew you couldn't resist 360s for long. We will eagerly wait for your initial impressions of 360s.
I just hope the sale price holds until I get paid (Friday.) :cool:

I must be the only one who really likes the Beta grills. On the other hand, I like the looks of the Primus, especially the way the grills blend smoothly with the cabinet. (They look good without grills also.)

I own the Beta 40, 360, ES250 and CSW10. I have two dogs and a one year old boy who loves to touch my equipment. Those metal grills have saved my drivers over and over again and twenty years from now, my speakers should look as good as the day I bought them.

As you all might have know by now, CC is dropping Harman and blowing out Infinity, this is a great time to buy!

Great thread PULLIAMM

Indeed great thread...I've got an Onkyo 703 pushing my 360's, 250's, C25, and a PB10 and let me say when I throw in the Old Skool Metallica it sounds like im at the show again...(well not quite but you get the point ) :D

I am a very new owner of the Primus 360's, C25, and the 150's in the rear completing a 5.1 set-up. I also own a Mirage S12 12" powered sub to handle all of my LFE. Furthermore, processing and amplification is done via a Pioneer 1015. I just absolutely love the sound-it f*ckin rocks!!!!! :D :D

I'm about to go through this thread ..... I only hav the Primus C25 now.
I think it's OK ... but I used to have a Video-1 that I liked much more. It was 10 years old and my cat managed to knock it off it's TV and smash one of the cones.

Anyways .... I'm looking for a new setup and I think I might try keeping the C25 and work around that.

I have a room that is 20x24 in size and about 4000 sqft.

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Read the whole thread! Very informative. After reading it ... I really want to keep that C25. And now I want the 360s ... but the wife will probably not allow it. She wants small speakers if any.

Would anyone recomend the 160s for the mains and the 150s for surround? Using the C25 as the center and the PS-12 sub?

Time to start measuring to see if the 360s will fit.
Primus 360 (http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/product_detail.aspx?prod=PRIMUS360BK&series=PRI&cat=BFS)

I'm about to go through this thread ..... I only hav the Primus C25 now.
I think it's OK ... but I used to have a Video-1 that I liked much more. It was 10 years old and my cat managed to knock it off it's TV and smash one of the cones.

Anyways .... I'm looking for a new setup and I think I might try keeping the C25 and work around that.

I have a room that is 20x24 in size and about 4000 sqft.

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EDIT:
Read the whole thread! Very informative. After reading it ... I really want to keep that C25. And now I want the 360s ... but the wife will probably not allow it. She wants small speakers if any.

Would anyone recomend the 160s for the mains and the 150s for surround? Using the C25 as the center and the PS-12 sub?

Time to start measuring to see if the 360s will fit.
Primus 360 (http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/product_detail.aspx?prod=PRIMUS360BK&series=PRI&cat=BFS)

I replied to your new thread also. IMHO, for a room of this size, go with 360s (you already have C25 for center). 150s will be fine for surrounds. 160s (as fronts) with a decent sub should work too, though I chose 360s for my HT setup.

As for size, unless you want to wall mount 160s (in case you go with them for fronts), you will need a speaker stand and may not save much space as such.

Last night, I did the A/B comparison between my 250's and the Def Tech BP8b's. Not only did I still prefer the 250's, but I appreciate them more after doing the test.
I was reminded that the 250's have the perfect amount of bass for my room. One strike agianst the Def Techs was too much bass*, which tended to overwhelm the other frequencies. This has me thinking that trying the 360's in my room might not be such a good idea after all, as they also have much more bass than the 250's.
Instead of saying that the Primus's are "great speakers for the price", I think it is fair to say that they are simply great speakers, and also happen to be affordable.

*This begs the question: Why do the Def Techs not seem to have too much bass in my HT setup, which is in an even smaller room? Possible answers are 1) My Yamaha HT receiver doesn't put out much bass, or 2) Surround processing sends most of the bass to LFE (even with mains set to "large".)

What receiver is everyone using to power their Primus?

What receiver is everyone using to power their Primus?
I have Onkyo tx-sr504. It is a 7.1 AVR, with component video, no HDMI.

What receiver is everyone using to power their Primus?
I was using Onkyo TX-8511 (stereo.) I have since moved up to a vintage Carver integrated amp (forget model #, but 100 very clean watts/ch.)

I am the proud owner of a brand new pair of Primus 150's. Circuit City has them for $39.99 each after a $20 mail in rebate - ONLY ON LINE!!

I will be picking them up this afternoon after work, and testing them out with my Klipsch RF-5's, sub, and Yamaha RX-v3000. I'll probably get blasted for pairing these with the Klipsch, but I'm on a bit of a budget with the wife switching jobs, and couldn't say no to the price. Plus, all the reviews I saw were fantastic.

Placement will be an issue, but for now, I'll just be plopping them on the end tables until I figure it out.

I am the proud owner of a brand new pair of Primus 150's. Circuit City has them for $39.99 each after a $20 mail in rebate - ONLY ON LINE!!

I will be picking them up this afternoon after work, and testing them out with my Klipsch RF-5's, sub, and Yamaha RX-v3000. I'll probably get blasted for pairing these with the Klipsch, but I'm on a bit of a budget with the wife switching jobs, and couldn't say no to the price. Plus, all the reviews I saw were fantastic.

Placement will be an issue, but for now, I'll just be plopping them on the end tables until I figure it out.
With those big honkin' Klipsch towers, I assume you will use the 150's as surrounds? They are a good choice for that. Do yourself a favor, though, and try listening to music on them alone or with the sub. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what they can do. :cool:
For surround placement, they have "keyhole" mounting slots (if I remember correctly.)

I replied to your new thread also. IMHO, for a room of this size, go with 360s (you already have C25 for center). 150s will be fine for surrounds. 160s (as fronts) with a decent sub should work too, though I chose 360s for my HT setup.

As for size, unless you want to wall mount 160s (in case you go with them for fronts), you will need a speaker stand and may not save much space as such.

Well, the one side of hte room has a bench all along it about 2 feet high. Cabinets underneath. The TV is going to sit on it with the center in front of the TV sitting o nthe bench. The bookshelfs (160s) will go on the same bench. The rears will be mounted off of some exposed beams on the ceiling.

Bigger question .... if I go with the C25 center (whcih I have) and hte 160s up front. Would it make more sens to get 160s for the rear also instead of 150s? The assumption being that the sound will be more even/balanced that way.

What receiver is everyone using to power their Primus?

Onkyo 703

Well, the one side of hte room has a bench all along it about 2 feet high. Cabinets underneath. The TV is going to sit on it with the center in front of the TV sitting o nthe bench. The bookshelfs (160s) will go on the same bench. The rears will be mounted off of some exposed beams on the ceiling.

Bigger question .... if I go with the C25 center (whcih I have) and hte 160s up front. Would it make more sens to get 160s for the rear also instead of 150s? The assumption being that the sound will be more even/balanced that way.
As for placement issue, general guideline for front speakers (L/C/R) are that they should be positioned/pointed at the ear level at your main listening position. Center channel if it is mounted high or low, should be tilted to point to the ear level. Considering that do you think your front speakers (160s) will be at that level?

As for surround, they should be positioned above the ear level, so feel free to experiment with placement, till you find what is best for your room. Here is something, which you may like to take a look.

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout.html

Regarding matching of sound between fronts and surrounds, all the speakers in the primus line are tonally matched, so 150s will be fine too. FWIW, I am using 150s for surrounds.

Hope this helps.

I am the proud owner of a brand new pair of Primus 150's. Circuit City has them for $39.99 each after a $20 mail in rebate - ONLY ON LINE!!

Placement will be an issue, but for now, I'll just be plopping them on the end tables until I figure it out.
Welcome to the club.

These speakers have 2 key holes at the back, so they can be wall mounted. This is from the user manual.


"The Primus 140 and Primus 150 are designed to mount directly to a
wall. Each satellite speaker has two keyholes on the back. Each speaker
will require (2) 1-1/2," #10 wood screws fastened to a wall stud. If a
wall stud is unavailable, install an anchor appropriate for a 1-1/2,"#10
screw."

Hi All...
I've been looking at the Primus 150s for my PC. I plan to dig out my old SAE R102 Receiver (50 watts per channel) and use it as my amp. I'll connect my soundcard (Audigy 2 ZS) output to the receiver input and then connect the speakers to the receiver. My primary purpose for the speakers is music, so I'm not interested in a 5.1 or 7.1 system....just a nice 2.0 or 2.1 setup will do fine.

My question is this...Is the bass on the 150s good enough or do I need to look at a subwoofer? I'm not into hip hop or any music with a lot of bass...just good hard rock-n-roll. :D

The bookshelfs (160s) will go on the same bench.
Make sure the fronts of the speakers are at least flush with the edge of the bench (maybe even overhanging a little.) Otherwise you will have diffraction and/or first-reflections from the bench itself.

My question is this...Is the bass on the 150s good enough or do I need to look at a subwoofer? I'm not into hip hop or any music with a lot of bass...just good hard rock-n-roll. :D


As with any speaker a sub will do wonder to your setup. The sub will create ambient bass versus direct bass from the speakers. I find the ambient bass to be more pleasing and not in your face.

With those big honkin' Klipsch towers, I assume you will use the 150's as surrounds? They are a good choice for that. Do yourself a favor, though, and try listening to music on them alone or with the sub. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what they can do. :cool:
For surround placement, they have "keyhole" mounting slots (if I remember correctly.)


Oh yeah, they are definitely for surround. I'll have to hook them up separate and give them a try.

Of course, I can't even give them a run as surrounds now- the wife has company over, and I've been banished to the computer room! The horror!!!!

Also, I purchased them from CC on-line, then picked them up at the store. When I got there, they said the in-store price was lower than the on-line price, so I got another $20 bucks off. Final verdict after I get the rebates back is $29.99 each. I almost feel guilty.


OK - I'm over the guilt now! :D

CC is discontinuing all Infinity, so they have some good deals on all of their stuff.

Interesting that they gave you the lower price and the rebate - I figured they had the in-store price at $50 because they didn't have the rebate. Wish I'd have known that, I picked up a pair yesterday. Oh well, my Primus system is now complete! New sub gets here next week...

OK - I'm over the guilt now! :D

Wow, that was fast! :D

When I am not at home, I often muse about speaker "upgrades". I see speakers at various price levels (in person or in pictures) and think "those would be nice". I tell myself "it would be great to have something even better than my Primus's".
Then I get home, put on some music and think "Better how? These are awesome!"

Nice Thread. For the record I currently have (You can tell I like closeouts - as do many here)

Front = Primus 150s ($40/ea CompUsa closeout)
Center = C25 ($45 CompUsa closeout)
Rear = Infinty US-1s ($15/ea CompUsa closeout)
Sub = Infinity SW-12 ($299 Circuit City closeout)
Sub2 = Mirage FRX-S8 ($40 used)
Receiver = Onkyo TXDS-989Ver2 ($450 Circuit City closeout)

Not a bad system for about $1k. Could have cost less if not for the receiver (I had the Onkyo LR552 for $99, but couldn't pass on the 989v2).

Am a happy HT owner of Primus 250's up front, C25 center, PS 12 sub (a powerhouse), 150's on the side. All driven by a Pioneer 1015 receiver. Have a couple of small Polks in the back for 7.1, soon to be replaced with Primus 140's.

Anybody thinking Primus are just "cheap" speakers should think again. A speaker like Insignia is a cheap speaker. The Primus line is much better quality, and only *inexpensive* because they are being discontinued.

I listened to some Ascends for a week trying to figure out why those little black box Ascends cost almost $400 (I bought them because of all the raves around here), but decided to send them back after comparing to Primus.

Think I might buy 2 more 150's for upstairs and pair them with the PS 8 sub woofer on an old receiver for music. Anybody have a PS 8? It is on closeout for $149 right now.

Have a couple of small Polks in the back for 7.1, soon to be replaced with Primus 140's.
Just curious ... any special reasons for not going with 150s for back surround speakers?

Just curious ... any special reasons for not going with 150s for back surround speakers?

Good point.

For 7 channel music the 150's would be much better. For 7.1 THX sound on movies I don't think it will matter too much. Only reason I am looking at 140's is the size of the speakers, the back wall of our HT is divided between a wet bar and closet, and the 140's fit better side by side.

Good point.

For 7 channel music the 150's would be much better. For 7.1 THX sound on movies I don't think it will matter too much. Only reason I am looking at 140's is the size of the speakers, the back wall of our HT is divided between a wet bar and closet, and the 140's fit better side by side.
Good enough reason to go with 140s :D

Anybody thinking Primus are just "cheap" speakers should think again. A speaker like Insignia is a cheap speaker. The Primus line is much better quality, and only *inexpensive* because they are being discontinued.

I listened to some Ascends for a week trying to figure out why those little black box Ascends cost almost $400 (I bought them because of all the raves around here), but decided to send them back after comparing to Primus.

Think I might buy 2 more 150's for upstairs and pair them with the PS 8 sub woofer on an old receiver for music. Anybody have a PS 8? It is on closeout for $149 right now.
There are a lot of audio snobs who sneer at Primus because they don't think they cost enough to be "high-end". Making affordable speakers, however, was a conscious choice on Infinity's part. They are quite capable of making high end speakers that blow everyone else's away (and have, of course, done so in the past) but decided instead to distill all that knowledge and experience into speakers like Primus (and to stop making the ultra-expensive ones entirely.)
I have a PS8 in mint condition just sitting in a closet. I tried using it with my Primus 250's, but it didn't add much, in spite of being a nice sub (in my room, the 250's have plenty of bass for me.) It is for sale for $100 to anyone who will pick it up here in OKC. (Shipping isn't worth it.)

Primus 360 owners how do you have your speakers set? I have mine on "large" crossed-over at 80Hz and the C25 center and 150's set to "small". Is this the best way to set them up? I have a Pioneer 1015 and LFE is being handled by a Mirage S12 12" powered sub. Just curious as to how others have set their Primus 360's up.

Primus 360 owners how do you have your speakers set? I have mine on "large" crossed-over at 80Hz and the C25 center and 150's set to "small". Is this the best way to set them up? I have a Pioneer 1015 and LFE is being handled by a Mirage S12 12" powered sub. Just curious as to how others have set their Primus 360's up.
I have them set to small (even 360s). Driven by Onkyo TX-SR504 and LFE goes to Infinity PS12.

Primus 360 owners how do you have your speakers set? I have mine on "large" crossed-over at 80Hz and the C25 center and 150's set to "small". Is this the best way to set them up? I have a Pioneer 1015 and LFE is being handled by a Mirage S12 12" powered sub. Just curious as to how others have set their Primus 360's up.
Speakers set to "large" are not crossed-over at all. They receive the full-range signal.

For HT purposes, it is recommended to set all speakers as Small and let the sub handle all bass below the crossover setting, preferably 80hz or lower.

Speakers set to "large" are not crossed-over at all. They receive the full-range signal.
That is correct, however on some receivers there is an option, which (if set) will send bass info from front L/R channels to the sub. Not sure if all receivers have this option though. It is called "Double Bass" function on Onkyo 504 and it can be set only if your front speakers are set to large. Options for double bass are on or off.

With the double-bass, you may get more bass at certain frequencies but you will often have problems with cancellation as well, which may outweigh the benefit of the extra bass.

With the double-bass, you may get more bass at certain frequencies but you will often have problems with cancellation as well, which may outweigh the benefit of the extra bass.
That's the reason, I have my front speakers (primus 360s) set to small and double bass set to off. I do use it occasionally for some of my 2 channel music though.

Ditto (except I have Advent H500 instead of primus 360's; very comparable sound quality though).

Speakers set to "large" are not crossed-over at all. They receive the full-range signal.
Well I meant to the C25 center and the 150's. But, thanks for pointing that out.

Looking to get speakers for a 7.1 system, and my Circuit City has some great prices on the Primus'. Unfortunately, their selection is limited, as are my funds. Can I build the whole thing with 150s, using the C250 as my center?

So long as you pair the 150s with a sub, you can use them all around and with the C250 center. For a sub, look at the Athena p4000, Bic H-100, and if you can get it for ~$200, maybe the Infinity PS-12.

Looking to get speakers for a 7.1 system, and my Circuit City has some great prices on the Primus'. Unfortunately, their selection is limited, as are my funds. Can I build the whole thing with 150s, using the C250 as my center?
150s are quite good, but if possible try to get 250s instead for front L/R speakers. They were available at CC for reasonable price. Vanns.com had 250s (store displays) for very attractive price (shipping included).

As for C250, I think it is from Beta series, so you might be better of with C25 as center. It is important that the front speakers (L/C/R) are tonally matched, and C25 is from primus line so all these will match.

Looking to get speakers for a 7.1 system, and my Circuit City has some great prices on the Primus'. Unfortunately, their selection is limited, as are my funds. Can I build the whole thing with 150s, using the C250 as my center?
How big is your room? If it is small the 150's would do an excellent job as long as you match them with a decent powered sub. If, on the other hand, it is rather large then the 250's or the 360's would be a better option. I bought my Primus speakers from Vanns and can't recommend them enough. My local cc did not have much of the Primus speakers left. So, I opted for Vanns. In fact, I also got my Pioneer 1015 and Mirage S12 from Vanns. Anyways, hope this helps. Good luck in your decision. Happy hunting!!!! :) :)

Does anyone know if multiple speakers can be purchased on the same transaction and still get the mail-in-rebates on each item? I'm trying to purchase 2-Infinity PRIMUS 250's and 2-Infinity PRIMUS 150's. Thanks.

Does anyone know if multiple speakers can be purchased on the same transaction and still get the mail-in-rebates on each item? I'm trying to purchase 2-Infinity PRIMUS 250's and 2-Infinity PRIMUS 150's. Thanks.

I sure hope so, as I'm trying the same thing. I saw no indication that there was something wrong with it.

I sure hope so, as I'm trying the same thing. I saw no indication that there was something wrong with it.
Perhaps it is better to call them and verify this. Rebate form on CC's website has this phone# listed.

If you have questions about your rebate, please call 1-877-224-8966. Business hours may vary.

Noticed this posted in one of my threads about Infinity:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=647998&page=4
I think the poster meant to put it here ....


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I’ll be happy to give my views on the Infinity Primus series but can’t contribute any further afterwards to the Owner’s thread since I was not the Systems Design Engineer on the Primus.

-The Primus series was designed approximately four years ago by Bill D. who sat in the cubicle next to mine.

-In my estimation Bill is one of a handful of great loudspeaker design engineers. Bill has devised support software which complements the normal LEAP program we all used. For crossover design this software allows him to quickly come up with an extremely low parts count crossover which gives the best linear on-axis and (off-axis) power response envelope. It is this end result which allows the Primus series to be what I consider the absolute lowest price/highest performance ratio of any loudspeaker series in the Infinity line (if not the entire industry).

-for cost reasons the Primus line and all of its parts were made in China. The crossover components, both capacitors and inductors were lower quality implements that Bill was tasked to use for cost reasons. Same with the cabinet. The Chinese equivalent of 5/8” all around the wrap and back and I believe even on the front baffle. (Though the front may be ¾” (or 19mm).

-I would strongly suggest against ever trying to “upgrade” crossover parts in the quest for more performance. It isn’t gonna happen. Plus loosening and tightening the screws a couple of times and you’ll start to quickly wear out the threads cut into the brittle MDF that is used on these cabinets.

-the greatest chance for seeming unit-to-unit imbalance will come from the production variations of the tweeter. Again, low cost drives a wider plus or minus variation in each tweeter’s response. (I bet this opens up a can of worms…)

-In closing I’d recommend never trying to modify or mess with the Primus or any loudspeaker unit for that manner unless you really know what you’re doing. Just play with set-up, positioning and pointing your speakers and read everything you can about how to fix your room acoustics. Because once that sound launches from the speaker cones they’ve already performed their electrical-to-mechanical-to-acoustic sound wave trick. From there the room takes over. And the further you are from your speakers the more influence the room will exert on the sound at your ears.

Good luck to all’

Patrick

Not much activity here for last couple of days. Seems like every one is busy enjoying their speakers :D

Have Primus 140's installed for surround rears now, and re-calibrated the MCACC on the Pioneer 1015 tonight. Watched a little CSI-NY in 5.1 - the sound is amazing on this system. One thing interesting with the Pioneer is it set all speakers to large when I ran the MCACC again.

I have moved on to B&W's, but my respect for the Primus's is in no way diminished. My 602's were 3X the (current) price of the 250's and, while definitely an audible upgrade, are certainly nowhere remotely close to 3X better. If I had to go back to the Primus's, I would still enjoy listening to them.

I have moved on to B&W's, but my respect for the Primus's is in no way diminished. My 602's were 3X the (current) price of the 250's and, while definitely an audible upgrade, are certainly nowhere remotely close to 3X better. If I had to go back to the Primus's, I would still enjoy listening to them.
Congrats on your new purchase. I am sure you must be liking those.

I have moved on to B&W's, but my respect for the Primus's is in no way diminished. My 602's were 3X the (current) price of the 250's and, while definitely an audible upgrade, are certainly nowhere remotely close to 3X better. If I had to go back to the Primus's, I would still enjoy listening to them.
I have to say that the B&W 602S3 is an awesome speaker. I am sure the rest of the 600 Series is awesome as well. This brings up an interesting point on just how good the Primus speakers are. Congrats on your new purchase.

Finally got my new sub in last night (Athena P300), so my system is now complete! (For now) For $100 it was quite the bargain, and seems to fit in nicely with the Primus. I was definitely missing the lower bass for the past week. Can't wait to watch a full movie with everything hooked up, only had a few minutes to toy with it last night.

EDIT: So is the consensus that all crossovers should be set around 80hz? I just read that my receiver (Sony DA1ES) sets the default crossover at 120hz (but can be adjusted by 10hz increments) when set at small. Also, since my sub is adjustable, should I set it at perhaps 100hz to cover everything that the receiver sends to it?

FWIW, I see that the specs show low ends of:
250: 49hz
150: 58hz
C25: 80hz

Wonder if I should try setting them to 60, 70, and 90hz respectively. If you couldn't tell, I don't have much experience with crossover settings. Can't wait to get home and experement!

EDIT: So is the consensus that all crossovers should be set around 80hz? I just read that my receiver (Sony DA1ES) sets the default crossover at 120hz (but can be adjusted by 10hz increments) when set at small. Also, since my sub is adjustable, should I set it at perhaps 100hz to cover everything that the receiver sends to it?

Wonder if I should try setting them to 60, 70, and 90hz respectively. If you couldn't tell, I don't have much experience with crossover settings. Can't wait to get home and experement!
1. All speakers set to small
2. Crossover frequency on receiver - 80hz
3. Set crossover frequency on your sub to max (150hz or whatever max it has.)

I think crossover at 80hz will be your best bet.

How do these Primus 150's compare to the SVS bookshelf speakers the sbs-01?

Anyone actually listen and compare???

axs, whats the reasoning for setting them all to 80hz? I would think that since my receiver is capable I would want to set each separately to get the most out of each speaker. I read somewhere that it's recommended to set the crossover to around 10hz higher than what the speaker can handle. Wouldn't 80 be too low for the center to handle, and too high to allow the 250s to do what they're capable of? Just asking, if there is a good reason to set them to 80 I will. Last night I set them up 60-70-90 and it sounds good, though I kind of doubt there would be much of a difference all at 80. It definitely sounds better than the 120hz default did.

axs, whats the reasoning for setting them all to 80hz? I would think that since my receiver is capable I would want to set each separately to get the most out of each speaker. I read somewhere that it's recommended to set the crossover to around 10hz higher than what the speaker can handle. Wouldn't 80 be too low for the center to handle, and too high to allow the 250s to do what they're capable of? Just asking, if there is a good reason to set them to 80 I will. Last night I set them up 60-70-90 and it sounds good, though I kind of doubt there would be much of a difference all at 80. It definitely sounds better than the 120hz default did.
Subs can handle LFE much better than the main speakers you have listed here. They are designed to do that so it is best that you let them handle LFE even if your speakers can go 20-30 hz below that crossover frequency. In any case, depending on the speakers specs the mains will still get some LFE info below the crossover frequency. Generally most speakers and subs have a crossover slope of 12db/octave or 24dB/octave. Primus series has (250s, 150s, C25 and PS10/12) 24db/octave. For a better/smooth integration of mains and sub, they must overlap each other by a full octave.

I somehow missed the point that your receiver is capable of setting crossover frequency for each channel, so in this case you can actually set center to 100hz and all others to 80hz. All the speakers must be set to small, as the speakers set to large are not crossed over at all.

How do these Primus 150's compare to the SVS bookshelf speakers the sbs-01?

Anyone actually listen and compare???

At the risk of angering people on this thread, I own some Primus 150's and have a good friend who has the SVS speakers. This is a subjective opinion but these speakers are so far apart in sound that it's really not fair to do a comparrison. Thumbs up for the SVS. My apologies to the many happy 150 owners who are posting here.

At the risk of angering people on this thread, I own some Primus 150's and have a good friend who has the SVS speakers. This is a subjective opinion but these speakers are so far apart in sound that it's really not fair to do a comparrison. Thumbs up for the SVS. My apologies to the many happy 150 owners who are posting here.
Not that surprising that they are better, really. The SVS speakers are 50% more than the 150's at full MSRP, and over 2 1/2 X the current CC price. On the other hand, I can't believe they would be that much better. After all, I have heard the 150's put in a pretty good showing even compared to some vastly more expensive speakers.

Subs can handle LFE much better than the main speakers you have listed here. They are designed to do that so it is best that you let them handle LFE even if your speakers can go 20-30 hz below that crossover frequency. In any case, depending on the speakers specs the mains will still get some LFE info below the crossover frequency. Generally most speakers and subs have a crossover slope of 12db/octave or 24dB/octave. Primus series has (250s, 150s, C25 and PS10/12) 24db/octave. For a better/smooth integration of mains and sub, they must overlap each other by a full octave.

I somehow missed the point that your receiver is capable of setting crossover frequency for each channel, so in this case you can actually set center to 100hz and all others to 80hz. All the speakers must be set to small, as the speakers set to large are not crossed over at all.

At what frequency does bass generally stop being directional? I understand that it doesn't matter where the lower bass is coming from, but I wonder if the 60-80 range would or not. (I realize this is probably just splitting hairs)

It's probably best for me to play a good movie scene as it is, then change it to 80-80-100 as you suggested and see how it sounds in comparison.

Also it might be worth noting that my sub isn't anything spectacular. (Athena P300) Sounds nice to me, but not one of the behemoths that many people here have. Thats what leads to suspect that maybe it should be reserved for lower frequencies and let the mains do what they can.

Either way, thanks for the helpful advice!

At what frequency does bass generally stop being directional?
I once tried a sub in a stereo setup. The mains were towers, so I crossed over at a very low 50hz. There was still enough directionality that I had to center the sub between the speakers, otherwise I could tell which one it was closer to! :(

At the risk of angering people on this thread, I own some Primus 150's and have a good friend who has the SVS speakers. This is a subjective opinion but these speakers are so far apart in sound that it's really not fair to do a comparrison. Thumbs up for the SVS. My apologies to the many happy 150 owners who are posting here.

I agree. There is no comparison. My buddy bought some SVS speakers and when he came over to listen to my Primus setup his jaw nearly hit the floor. When I told him I paid about half for my system than he did for his SVS package (with stands), he almost started crying because he said he paid too much and wasted his money. Plus I have a 7.1 channel setup and he has only 5.1.

But, since it was too late (past 30 days) to send his speakers back to SV, he can't get a refund. I mean no disrepect to any SVS owners out there - I am sure you are happy with your systems, but Primus is the better deal. :)

I agree. There is no comparison. My buddy bought some SVS speakers and when he came over to listen to my Primus setup his jaw nearly hit the floor. When I told him I paid about half for my system than he did for his SVS package (with stands), he almost started crying because he said he paid too much and wasted his money. Plus I have a 7.1 channel setup and he has only 5.1.

But, since it was too late (past 30 days) to send his speakers back to SV, he can't get a refund. I mean no disrepect to any SVS owners out there - I am sure you are happy with your systems, but Primus is the better deal. :)
I own 150s and am quite happy with the SQ, but then I have not heard SVS speakers at all, so can't comment on its quality.

This however brings an interesting point that did any of you (mltv, atadamico and your friends) listen to these two side by side, connected to same equipments and listening to same materials or that was just based on an isolated listening (not that it matters to me ... just curious)

What made his jaw drop exactly?

Clarity? Bass? Loudness? There are a lot of factors and I'd like some more input because I'm ready to make a move to bookshelf speakers and I really like what I READ about the SVS speakers.....only problem....you cannot listen to them anywhere very easily.

At what frequency does bass generally stop being directional? I understand that it doesn't matter where the lower bass is coming from, but I wonder if the 60-80 range would or not. (I realize this is probably just splitting hairs)

It's probably best for me to play a good movie scene as it is, then change it to 80-80-100 as you suggested and see how it sounds in comparison.

Also it might be worth noting that my sub isn't anything spectacular. (Athena P300) Sounds nice to me, but not one of the behemoths that many people here have. Thats what leads to suspect that maybe it should be reserved for lower frequencies and let the mains do what they can.

Either way, thanks for the helpful advice!
Different people have different opinion, but I would say around 100hz (+/- few). I tried at 60-100hz and at least to me it did not sound like localize bass in my setup. Never tried beyond 100hz though, so can't tell about that.

Regarding your sub, I would still think that it will handle LFE better than 250s or 150s or C25.

Let us know, which setting works best for you.

I agree. There is no comparison. My buddy bought some SVS speakers and when he came over to listen to my Primus setup his jaw nearly hit the floor. When I told him I paid about half for my system than he did for his SVS package (with stands), he almost started crying because he said he paid too much and wasted his money. Plus I have a 7.1 channel setup and he has only 5.1.

But, since it was too late (past 30 days) to send his speakers back to SV, he can't get a refund. I mean no disrepect to any SVS owners out there - I am sure you are happy with your systems, but Primus is the better deal. :)

You agree? I think the poster you responded to was stating they preferred the SVS by a wide margin. :p Interesting to see such differing opinions.

This is going to be risky, given the direction of this thread.

My experience with the 150's are that they are a decent, small, speaker that goes very loud and can take a real beating and still keep on functioning. I find the bass muddy and not very tight at all and the midrange sounds constrained. As I can not find much clarity in the midrange, when added to the fact that the bass seems to boom, I really don't believe that these speakers are a great match for a pair of mains in a HT system or critical music listening. For example when my friend brought over a pair of his SVS speakers and we set them up on stands next to the 150's I have, the difference in the sound quality was tremendous. The SVS midrange was crystal and revealing. They didn't fatigue even after considerable listening and still continued to reveal sounds that the 150's just couldn't seem to reproduce. They (SVS) don't have much of a bottom end, but what there is is tight. Both will need a sub. This holds true with what I heard when I also compared them (150's) to a pair of Triangle Titus 202's that I own. The difference in the midrange between the Triangles and the 150's was nothing short of stunning. But its not fair as this is the Triangle "claim to fame"

Of course I did no level matching and my playing around is not meant to be any kind of scientific comparison. Also keep in mind that the SVS cost much more than the 150's and a pair of Triangle Titus 202's, even used, cost upwards of $350 a pair. So should the SVS and Triangle sound better? Of course. Do they sound $300 better? Matter of opinion, an mine is yes. If all you listen to is the 150's you won't have a frame of comparison so you will be happy. If you listen to other speakers alongside them...

As I have posted before, I use my 150's in my music room where I practice guitar. I play them HARD and I play them LOUD, and for that they are outstanding. I'm not really looking for any sort of critical listening experience. And at less than $50 if I blow one up, who cares?

Of course this is just my OPINION and is not meant to knock anybody else's opinion or to infer than anybody else is wrong and I am right. It's just how I hear it. I would go with SVS or Triangle, or one of many other good bookshelf monitor speakers out there. But then, not to be arrogant, I don't have to worry about budget either and I change speakers often just for the fun of it. Right now in my home I have Wharfdales, Triangles, Infinity's, Vandersteen, and a great pair of old Vintage Altecs I picked up as a project. I have also owned, Dunlavy, Axiom, and too many others to remember.

Are there better speakers than primus series? Absolutely ... Way too many to even count, but that is not the point of this thread. I think it is unfair to compare 150s to the speakers, which are 2.5-3 times more expensive (SVS) and/or Triangles which are 4-4.5 times more expensive.

I have not heard SVS SBS-01, but have heard/read good reviews about it. Its price tag of almost 2.5-3 times of primus 150s, may make it less affordable to people on budget. IMO, primus 150s are great value at the current price range.


I would go with SVS or Triangle, or one of many other good bookshelf monitor speakers out there. But then, not to be arrogant, I don't have to worry about budget either and I change speakers often just for the fun of it.
I am happy for you, but for most some of us, who still have to "worry about budget" primus series is a great value at this price point.

I don't think it's unfair at all to compare the 150's to the SVS speakers. After all, the SVS speakers are $225 a pair - hardly a high end speaker. And I refuse to believe they sound much if any better than the 150's. I've heard the Ascend 170s which run $348 a pair and wasn't impressed.

So if you guys are telling me SVS is the real deal - perhaps I should order them and A/B them myself against the 150's.

As for "worrying about budget", just remember because something is cheap doesn't mean it is inferior. If the SVS speakers were selling for $49 each, my guess is all the pumpers around here would start pumping something else and stop bashing the 150's. A big part of the speaker "mystique" is how much you paid for it and what they look like - how else does this industry justify somebody dropping several thousand dollars on certain brands of speakers? It certainly isn't the sound quality that does it.

Just IMO.

I don't think it's unfair at all to compare the 150's to the SVS speakers. After all, the SVS speakers are $225 a pair - hardly a high end speaker. And I refuse to believe they sound much if any better than the 150's. I've heard the Ascend 170s which run $348 a pair and wasn't impressed.

As I have not auditioned either of them (sbs-01 or 170SE), I can't say about the SQ, but at current prices they are at least 2.5 to 4 times more expensive and if I am looking for a speaker in certain price range, why would I even compare it with something which is 3 times or more expensive.

So if you guys are telling me SVS is the real deal - perhaps I should order them and A/B them myself against the 150's.

You will end up paying return shipping for them. Why not just borrow it for a day or two from your friend. I will love to hear the results.

As for "worrying about budget", just remember because something is cheap doesn't mean it is inferior.

Agreed. 150s sound quite good and current prices make them a great value.

At 4X the MSRP of the Primus 250's, my B&W 602's were a definite, audible step up. I am not at all convinced that anything less would have been. (The 250's sounded better to me than the $450 Klipsch's that I initially thought of as an "upgrade".)

At 4X the MSRP of the Primus 250's, my B&W 602's were a definite, audible step up. I am not at all convinced that anything less would have been. (The 250's sounded better to me than the $450 Klipsch's that I initially thought of as an "upgrade".)
We all can learn from that, so would it be fair to say that it is better to wait (and save some more money) than doing a lot of intermediate upgrade in search of better SQ.

As I have not auditioned either of them (sbs-01 or 170SE), I can't say about the SQ, but at current prices they are at least 2.5 to 4 times more expensive and if I am looking for a speaker in certain price range, why would I even compare it with something which is 3 times or more expensive.



You will end up paying return shipping for them. Why not just borrow it for a day or two from your friend. I will love to hear the results.



Agreed. 150s sound quite good and current prices make them a great value.

Yeah well I don't really have a "friend" who owns the SBS speakers. My post was a farce, tongue in cheek. I did it to prove a point. I read all kinds of crap on these forums about people who have friends who own other speakers and that is all they are, crap. Other people read it and believe. Nobody ever questions those kind of posts. How many guys do you know who actually own an obscure Internet direct brand of speaker?

That being said, I still think the Primus would hold up in a real comparison to SBS if somebody actually did one.

Now... if you are looking for a good deal on Infinity subwoofer check out the CC price on the PS-8, it's running at $110 after rebate. I purchased one tonight, am going to add it to my setup to complement the PS-12 sub I already have.

Making my HT current setup this:

Primus 250's front
Primus C25 center
Primus 150's side surrrounds
Primus 140's back surrounds
PS-12 sub (front)
PS-8 sub (rear)

Total cost of this package is about $800. Best speaker deal due to the discounts available now.

Now... if you are looking for a good deal on Infinity subwoofer check out the CC price on the PS-8, it's running at $110 after rebate. I purchased one tonight, am going to add it to my setup to complement the PS-12 sub I already have.

Making my HT current setup this:

Primus 250's front
Primus C25 center
Primus 150's side surrrounds
Primus 140's back surrounds
PS-12 sub (front)
PS-8 sub (rear)

Do you really need both PS12 and PS8? I have PS12 and it is plenty for my room, which is almost 22' x 12' x 8'.

Do you have a large room (or a room leading to lot of open areas)? How are you planning to connect this new subwoofer to the receiver?

Do you really need both PS12 and PS8? I have PS12 and it is plenty for my room, which is almost 22' x 12' x 8'.

Do you have a large room (or a room leading to lot of open areas)? How are you planning to connect this new subwoofer to the receiver?
I will add that the surround channels contain very little bass in any event.

Yeah well I don't really have a "friend" who owns the SBS speakers. My post was a farce, tongue in cheek. I did it to prove a point. I read all kinds of crap on these forums about people who have friends who own other speakers and that is all they are, crap. Other people read it and believe. Nobody ever questions those kind of posts. How many guys do you know who actually own an obscure Internet direct brand of speaker?

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An arrogant and insulting post from an obviously arrogant and insulting person. Frankly, YOU were the one who lied :eek: and then accuse others of doing the same thing. We tend to judge others by our own standards, don't we? You lie and so expect that others are as well. Just because you have no ethics don't assume others don't. How many people do you know who own Dunlavy? or Triangle? Not very many and I have owned them all. Or Axiom? I love to buy and play around with obscure brands of speakers because I can. I have also owned Infinity RS1's, RS2's, Infinity Overture 2's, and have a pair 150's. If you aren't going to believe anybody unless you can "see" the actual speaker and listen for yourself why are you even here? Somebody asked about SVS and I responded. I am a 150 owner so I have as much right to be on this thread as anybody. Check any of my other post over the 4+ years I have been around here and you will see I have NO agenda. I push NO speaker brand.

Frankly, if I had a budget of what the 150's cost and wanted a speaker for my HT system in that range, knowing what I know now, I'd look for a few used pairs of RS2's and mate them with an Infinity CC2. Absolutly wonderful Infinity speakers that have a brilliant midrange. Don't know why Infinity went away from the RS series. I always found them to be outstanding. And the CC center channel speakers were some of the best center channel speakers Infinity ever produced. But who knows maybe I'm just a lier like you, whose agenda is to get people to only buy used speakers. Yeah, that's the ticket. I think I'll waste my time on an internet site to BS people into buying used Infinity speakers.

I wouldn't accept any advice from anybody who openly admitted to posting a lie, as you have just done, for any reason.

Are there better speakers than primus series? Absolutely ... Way too many to even count, but that is not the point of this thread. I think it is unfair to compare 150s to the speakers, which are 2.5-3 times more expensive (SVS) and/or Triangles which are 4-4.5 times more expensive.

I have not heard SVS SBS-01, but have heard/read good reviews about it. Its price tag of almost 2.5-3 times of primus 150s, may make it less affordable to people on budget. IMO, primus 150s are great value at the current price range.



I am happy for you, but for most some of us, who still have to "worry about budget" primus series is a great value at this price point.

I completly agree with this post. I was just responding to a question not looking to offend or insult anyone, regardless of what "others" whose honesty must be questioned, might think. I have owned many Infinity speakers and own some now. I like Infinity and have loved some. (Overture and RS series) I have found the Infinity midrange usually sounds great to me, just not in the 150's.

Just wanted to add ... I am using 150s for surrounds and not particularly looking for deep bass etc. They fit quite well in that role. I agree that given the options (and if I could afford), I will not use them as mains.

This may be old news, but the rebate form at CC for the 150's now appears to allow for rebates for multiple speakers, rather than just one. Am I just missing something?
Also, what would be an appropriate center? I will be running four 150's off an onkyo 503. Would another 150 work for a center?
Also, the CC price on the PS 8 sub seems pretty reasonable. Curious if anyone else had any experience with it.
Thanks for all your help.

This may be old news, but the rebate form at CC for the 150's now appears to allow for rebates for multiple speakers, rather than just one. Am I just missing something?
Also, what would be an appropriate center? I will be running four 150's off an onkyo 503. Would another 150 work for a center?
Also, the CC price on the PS 8 sub seems pretty reasonable. Curious if anyone else had any experience with it.
Thanks for all your help.
Go with Primus C25 for center. Never tried 150s for center myself.
PS8 might work for you, if don't have a very large room.

i have a question for somebody.

i have the 360s for my HT setup and i was wondering if these sound any better with more watts running to them. i have them connected to a sony receiver which does 70 watts per channel and these can go up to 200. should i run separate amps to these to get more wattage? how would i do that and what kind of amp should i get?

any help is definately appreciated.

these already sound great, just wondering if i can do anything to make them even better.

i have a question for somebody.

i have the 360s for my HT setup and i was wondering if these sound any better with more watts running to them. i have them connected to a sony receiver which does 70 watts per channel and these can go up to 200. should i run separate amps to these to get more wattage? how would i do that and what kind of amp should i get?

any help is definately appreciated.

these already sound great, just wondering if i can do anything to make them even better.
The extra headroom can give them more dynamic punch, and may make the bass sound "tighter" as well. (Sony tends to greatly overstate the wattage on their receivers. An Onkyo rated at 50 watts/ch would have more real-world power.)

thanks.

so does anybody know how i would go about integrating some amps in my HT and what kinds to get?

i have a question for somebody.

i have the 360s for my HT setup and i was wondering if these sound any better with more watts running to them. i have them connected to a sony receiver which does 70 watts per channel and these can go up to 200. should i run separate amps to these to get more wattage? how would i do that and what kind of amp should i get?

any help is definately appreciated.

these already sound great, just wondering if i can do anything to make them even better.
It will be interesting to try with another AVR (more wattage than the current one) and see if it makes any difference. I would also take into consideration the other speakers in the setup and not go too crazy with the volume though.

Do you really need both PS12 and PS8? I have PS12 and it is plenty for my room, which is almost 22' x 12' x 8'.

Do you have a large room (or a room leading to lot of open areas)? How are you planning to connect this new subwoofer to the receiver?

I have a similar sized room, the rear side of the room leads to an open area. I agree the PS12 may be plenty enough. I might also use the PS8 in another room to replace a passive sub. The price is too good to pass up. But I want to try connection both (Y connector on the LFE input) just to see what it does.

hey guys, i just purchased a new HT setup yesterday at cc. i got the H/K avr 340 and a 5.1 primus series set all for $1100. This is going in a 12x13 room. i got the 250s, 150s and the C25 with a PS8. Did i get it at a reasonable price?? the receiver comes in monday, i cant wait to start playing with it.

my question is , is the 8 inch subwoofer good enuf? or shud i have gone with a 10 inch.

Just wanted to add ... I am using 150s for surrounds and not particularly looking for deep bass etc. They fit quite well in that role. I agree that given the options (and if I could afford), I will not use them as mains.

Same here. I have the 140s as back - mostly for collecting dust. IMO the 150 isn't enough for front.

Same here. I have the 140s as back - mostly for collecting dust. IMO the 150 isn't enough for front.
When I had the 150's, I used them by themselves in a stereo setup. I thought they sounded quite good, especially for the price.

When I had the 150's, I used them by themselves in a stereo setup. I thought they sounded quite good, especially for the price.
Agreed. 150s sound quite good and are great value given the current discounted price, but my point was that if budget permits, I would certainly upgrade to either 250s or 360s as front L/R. I chose 360s for front L/R for my setup.

my question is , is the 8 inch subwoofer good enuf? or shud i have gone with a 10 inch.
It kind of depends on your expectations from this sub, it will probably be not enough for house crumbling bass, but it might be able to provide decent bass for your room.

Good thing is that you can always take it back to CC, if you don't get enough bass for your taste and get another (bigger and better) one.

But I want to try connection both (Y connector on the LFE input) just to see what it does.
Let us know, how it works for you.

Same here. I have the 140s as back - mostly for collecting dust. IMO the 150 isn't enough for front.
I agree for the most part BUT if the room is SMALL then the 150's should be sufficient. That is, as long as the 150's are mated to a decent powered subwoofer. In larger rooms the 150's would distort quite rapidly and as such the 250's or the 360's would be more ideal.

I have the 140s as back - mostly for collecting dust.
If your receiver has options for A+B speakers, you might very well use them for another room. :D

Let us know, how it works for you.

Well I picked up the PS 8. Having both subs running, the bass is more distributed across the room. I've tried with the PS 12 and PS 8 in different positions, currently have the PS 8 up front next to the 250s, the PS 12 in the rear where it can really rattle the seats. Having 2 subs active is definitely an improvement on the sub sound in my room, but....

I think there is a problem with the PS 8, it sometimes goes into auto standby mode and does not reliably recognize the LFE signal. When it does this, I need to cycle the power to get it to recognize the LFE signal again. My PS 12 has never had this problem. The PS 8 will do this when connected in parallel with the Y cable or when it's the only sub connected, I've tested it both ways.

So I think I'll return the PS 8 to CC - not sure if this is a problem with just the one I purchased or not.

An arrogant and insulting post from an obviously arrogant and insulting person. Frankly, YOU were the one who lied :eek: and then accuse others of doing the same thing. We tend to judge others by our own standards, don't we? You lie and so expect that others are as well. Just because you have no ethics don't assume others don't. How many people do you know who own Dunlavy? or Triangle? Not very many and I have owned them all. Or Axiom? I love to buy and play around with obscure brands of speakers because I can. I have also owned Infinity RS1's, RS2's, Infinity Overture 2's, and have a pair 150's. If you aren't going to believe anybody unless you can "see" the actual speaker and listen for yourself why are you even here? Somebody asked about SVS and I responded. I am a 150 owner so I have as much right to be on this thread as anybody. Check any of my other post over the 4+ years I have been around here and you will see I have NO agenda. I push NO speaker brand.

Frankly, if I had a budget of what the 150's cost and wanted a speaker for my HT system in that range, knowing what I know now, I'd look for a few used pairs of RS2's and mate them with an Infinity CC2. Absolutly wonderful Infinity speakers that have a brilliant midrange. Don't know why Infinity went away from the RS series. I always found them to be outstanding. And the CC center channel speakers were some of the best center channel speakers Infinity ever produced. But who knows maybe I'm just a lier like you, whose agenda is to get people to only buy used speakers. Yeah, that's the ticket. I think I'll waste my time on an internet site to BS people into buying used Infinity speakers.

I wouldn't accept any advice from anybody who openly admitted to posting a lie, as you have just done, for any reason.


atdamico,

You're right I can be arrognant and insulting at times. Don't take it personal, my post was not directed specifically at you, it was a generalization about things I read around here. Sorry I ruffled your feathers.

I believe you about the SVS speakers - so much I am close to ordering a set just to see how good they sound in my setup.

I too like the older Infinitys, I have a pair of QEs (pre RS) with Emit tweeters which I still use for music, but not in the HT. They sound fantastic.

I think there is a problem with the PS 8, it sometimes goes into auto standby mode and does not reliably recognize the LFE signal. When it does this, I need to cycle the power to get it to recognize the LFE signal again. My PS 12 has never had this problem. The PS 8 will do this when connected in parallel with the Y cable or when it's the only sub connected, I've tested it both ways.

So I think I'll return the PS 8 to CC - not sure if this is a problem with just the one I purchased or not.
It is normal for subs to get into standby mode after 10-15 minutes of system inactivity (when no signal is detected), but they should power back on (without having to power cycle them), when signal is available again.

I think you will be fine with only PS12.

It is normal for subs to get into standby mode after 10-15 minutes of system inactivity (when no signal is detected), but they should power back on (without having to power cycle them), when signal is available again.

I think you will be fine with only PS12.

Well the PS-8 went back to CC. I tried it in another setup with another receiver and had the same problem.

I agree the PS-12 is enough for the room. But I did end up moving to sub to the rear of the room (behind the seating area), instead of up front by the 250's.

I set the 250's up front to "large" on my Pioneer 1015, and sub to "plus" mode. All other speakers are in "small" mode.

Am currently really liking this setup, the bass is more evenly distributed across the room.

At 4X the MSRP of the Primus 250's, my B&W 602's were a definite, audible step up. I am not at all convinced that anything less would have been. (The 250's sounded better to me than the $450 Klipsch's that I initially thought of as an "upgrade".)

What impresses me most is the imaging, you can't tell where the sound is coming from when listening to 2 channel music with the 250's.

If you think the 602's are a definite step up, think I'll be auditioning them soon!

What impresses me most is the imaging, you can't tell where the sound is coming from when listening to 2 channel music with the 250's.

If you think the 602's are a definite step up, think I'll be auditioning them soon!
Imaging is very definitely a strong point of the Primus's.
If you audition the 602's and want to give them a fair shake, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. First, if the showroom is large (compared to our own room), they will sound better when you get them home. Second, the Primus 250's emphasize the bass "presence" region (around 100-150hz), while the 602's do not. This can initially make the 602's seem bass-shy. Listening to something with stong, extended bass will cure this illusion. Finally, the 602's are a bit less sensitive than the 250's, so be sure to level match (and bypass the tone controls if you have that option.) :cool:
I love my 602's, but the 250's are wonderful speakers in their own right. Enjoy them while you have them!

I have an older Infinity setup. LR are Kappa 7.1's. Center is Video 1. Surrounds are old Infinity bookshelfs that have been wrecked. Powered Velodyne 15" sub.
Getting a new Yamaha 2700 7.1 receiver soon and need new surrounds and middle surrounds. I was thinking of either the 250 or 360 for L & R surrounds, and the 150's for the two middle surrounds. I mostly use it for HT, but also some for music.
Thoughts on the 250 or 360 for LR surrounds? How would they mesh with the Kappa's?
Thanks.

I got a lot of information from Infinity, via email. They have been super responsive and very helpful!
Looks like I am considering the Primus 360 for LR surrounds and Primus 150's for middle surrounds. And keep the Kappa 7.1's for the fronts.

The old surrounds I had were the SR2002's. Small bookshelf Infinity speakers. Anyone have any information on these? They would need to have the woofer reconed. Would it be worth it?

What speakers would be comparable to the Kappa 7.1's? For a street price of about a grand per speaker? ANyone have any ideas?

I have an older Infinity setup. LR are Kappa 7.1's. Center is Video 1. Surrounds are old Infinity bookshelfs that have been wrecked. Powered Velodyne 15" sub.
Getting a new Yamaha 2700 7.1 receiver soon and need new surrounds and middle surrounds. I was thinking of either the 250 or 360 for L & R surrounds, and the 150's for the two middle surrounds. I mostly use it for HT, but also some for music.
Thoughts on the 250 or 360 for LR surrounds? How would they mesh with the Kappa's?
Thanks.
If you are not too much into multi channel music, do you really need 360s as surround speakers?

Primus 150s/160s should be enough for surrounds and rear surrounds. FWIW, I use 150s as surround in my 5.1 setup - mainly HT. As far as music, goes I mainly listen to 2 channel music and have 360s as fronts.

If you are not too much into multi channel music, do you really need 360s as surround speakers?

Primus 150s/160s should be enough for surrounds and rear surrounds. FWIW, I use 150s as surround in my 5.1 setup - mainly HT. As far as music, goes I mainly listen to 2 channel music and have 360s as fronts.
So, you think the 360's are overkill for surrounds? I am concerned about that too.
Thoughts?

So, you think the 360's are overkill for surrounds? I am concerned about that too.
Thoughts?
IMHO, 360s are overkill for surrounds. 150s are good and I think 160s will perhaps be better. If you like, run it by Infinity folks again to see what they think of this combination - 160s for surrounds and 150s back/rear surrounds.

Thanks. Didn't know about the 160's. I'll take a look.

IMHO, 360s are overkill for surrounds. 150s are good and I think 160s will perhaps be better. If you like, run it by Infinity folks again to see what they think of this combination - 160s for surrounds and 150s back/rear surrounds.
I agree. Remember that movie soundtracks typically don't send much bass to the surrounds anyhow.

Just checked CC web site and the price of 150s are now $30 after rebate.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Infinity-Bookshelf-Speaker-PRIMUS-150/sem/rpsm/oid/75519/catOid/-12950/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

So any one still planning to get them, should get them now. They do not seem to have any other primus line speakers any more. Must be getting close to being sold out.

Just checked CC web site and the price of 150s are now $30 after rebate.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Infinity-Bookshelf-Speaker-PRIMUS-150/sem/rpsm/oid/75519/catOid/-12950/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

So any one still planning to get them, should get them now. They do not seem to have any other primus line speakers any more. Must be getting close to being sold out.

I just got two. They're pretty nice for surrounds. However, how do I apply for the rebate? No paper came with the speakers and I don't see anything on their web site to apply for the rebate, but I might have missed it.

Help anyone?

I just got two. They're pretty nice for surrounds. However, how do I apply for the rebate? No paper came with the speakers and I don't see anything on their web site to apply for the rebate, but I might have missed it.

Help anyone?
The rebate form can be downloaded or printed from CC web site
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Infinity-Bookshelf-Speaker-PRIMUS-150/sem/rpsm/oid/75519/catOid/-12950/rpem/ccd/RebateDetailsPopup.do?oid=75519

The rebate form can be downloaded or printed from CC web site
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Infinity-Bookshelf-Speaker-PRIMUS-150/sem/rpsm/oid/75519/catOid/-12950/rpem/ccd/RebateDetailsPopup.do?oid=75519
Thanks. Worked just fine.
Peace.

Does anyone know if the c25 would be a good match for the older rs525 towers?


rs525 specs:
Frequency Response: 52Hz - 25kHz (+/-3dB)
Crossover Frequency(ies): 2.8kHz
Sensitivity: 92dB (2.83 volts/1 meter)
Nominal Impedance: Compatible with 8 ohms
Power Rating: 20 - 150 watts/RMS into 6 ohms
Woofer: 6.5" IMG
Tweeter: 1" ferrofluid cooled polycell

Primus C25 is specifically designed for primus series of speakers. Even though, I have no experience with RS525s, but I doubt that C25 will be a good match for them.

Perhaps you should call or email Infinity, they might be able to suggest something.

Hello people hope all is well. I have a question regarding the Primus 150's. I have the 360's up front matched with the C25 center and the 150's taking up rear duty comprising a 5.1. I want to put the 150's up on my wall as rear speakers are supposed to be. Do any of you have a similiar set-up? If so, how did you mount the 150's? I also want to be able to angle them. Anybody know of any brackets I could buy at a reasonable cost? How high should the 150's be placed? I was guessing say 5'-6' off of the floor. Is that a good idea? Please help if you can. Thanks and have a great day. :) :) :)

Cheers,

Phil

Hello people hope all is well. I have a question regarding the Primus 150's. I have the 360's up front matched with the C25 center and the 150's taking up rear duty comprising a 5.1. I want to put the 150's up on my wall as rear speakers are supposed to be. Do any of you have a similiar set-up? If so, how did you mount the 150's? I also want to be able to angle them. Anybody know of any brackets I could buy at a reasonable cost? How high should the 150's be placed? I was guessing say 5'-6' off of the floor. Is that a good idea? Please help if you can. Thanks and have a great day. :) :) :)

Cheers,

Phil
I have exact same setup with 150s for surround. I am using these speaker stands (in case interested)

http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-EF-SATB-Foundations-Adjustable-Satellite/dp/B0002481EQ/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/104-3415770-5799932?ie=UTF8

From floor to the top of 150s, is about 4' 8" in my setup. General guideline for surround speakers are placing them above the ear level, so anything between 1-2' above ear level should be fine. Try out different hights and see which one sounds better to you.

Count me in as a huge Primus believer. My 360s with Onkyo 703 just ROCK the house with beautiful music. Just added an SVS 25-31pci and the music is just HEAVENLY. I am falling in love with music all over again!!!

Hey audiofreak,

This is waht I used to mount my 150's on the wall. I bought them at futureshop (since i live in canada).

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10007784&catid=10014

Most wall mounts that I saw were flimsy could only hold 10 pound speakers. these are heavy duty & can hold up to 55 pound speakers.

Question to you Infinity 150 owners. If you buy 5-7 speakers from circuit city online, can you actually get 5-7 $20 rebates? Sometimes rebates are limited to 1 per customer.

Anybody know for sure?

vann's has a huge deal on primus speakers. no tax, no shipping. I just picked this set up:

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542199665

Hey audiofreak,

This is waht I used to mount my 150's on the wall. I bought them at futureshop (since i live in canada).

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10007784&catid=10014

Most wall mounts that I saw were flimsy could only hold 10 pound speakers. these are heavy duty & can hold up to 55 pound speakers.
Yeah those are nice BUT I am in US. Need to find something here and more affordable. But, thanks for your help.

Tried to order the Infinity Primus 150s from cc website today, but order would not go through. Called their 800 number and was told the warehouse doesn't have anymore and that I could not order them because they are on closeout and will not get anymore in. The only way to get them is if a cc store still has some. Of course, no store within 100 miles of me had any.

Anyone else have the same experience.

Hey audiofreak,

This is waht I used to mount my 150's on the wall. I bought them at futureshop (since i live in canada).

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10007784&catid=10014

Most wall mounts that I saw were flimsy could only hold 10 pound speakers. these are heavy duty & can hold up to 55 pound speakers.
They are nice, but kind of expensive for $30-40 speakers.

Tried to order the Infinity Primus 150s from cc website today, but order would not go through. Called their 800 number and was told the warehouse doesn't have anymore and that I could not order them because they are on closeout and will not get anymore in. The only way to get them is if a cc store still has some. Of course, no store within 100 miles of me had any.

Anyone else have the same experience.
It does say "out of stock online" on CCs web site now.

Hello people hope all is well. I have a question regarding the Primus 150's. I have the 360's up front matched with the C25 center and the 150's taking up rear duty comprising a 5.1. I want to put the 150's up on my wall as rear speakers are supposed to be. Do any of you have a similiar set-up? If so, how did you mount the 150's? I also want to be able to angle them. Anybody know of any brackets I could buy at a reasonable cost? How high should the 150's be placed? I was guessing say 5'-6' off of the floor. Is that a good idea? Please help if you can. Thanks and have a great day. :) :) :)

Cheers,

Phil

If you don't need to angle them, they mount flush using wall anchors and screws for the keyhole slots. I have mine about 5 ft. up on the side walls, and some 140's in back mounted the same way. I also tried them on stands, but like the sound better up higher than the stands.

vann's has a huge deal on primus speakers. no tax, no shipping. I just picked this set up:

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542199665

The package prices are quite good - did you go with the 7.1 or 5.1 setup?

5.1. I ordered at like 3 pm on tuesday, and had the tracking numbers by 5 that night. +1 for vann's.

Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceblrc
Hey audiofreak,

This is waht I used to mount my 150's on the wall. I bought them at futureshop (since i live in canada).

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pr...784&catid=10014

Most wall mounts that I saw were flimsy could only hold 10 pound speakers. these are heavy duty & can hold up to 55 pound speakers.

Axs:

They are nice, but kind of expensive for $30-40 speakers.
Hey Axs,
You are right but, they are cheaper & more stable than speaker stands that i was looking at. Also. most stands were only 36" high. I needed the speakers to be higher than that. I did buy them before i started to read this forum.

Tried to order the Infinity Primus 150s from cc website today, but order would not go through. Called their 800 number and was told the warehouse doesn't have anymore and that I could not order them because they are on closeout and will not get anymore in. The only way to get them is if a cc store still has some. Of course, no store within 100 miles of me had any.

Anyone else have the same experience.

I tried to order the 150's on tuesday but the website cleared my cart when I tried to order two. I called the 800 number and was told they were on closeout and they only had 1 left.

The wed site said none were in the local 3 stores But

I happened in my local CC today, In the speaker area they had a set so I asked them if they had any in an unopen boxes. I lucked out and walked out with what they said were the last two.

So I would check the local stores in person or at the very least over the phone

Bob

Got mine in CC (Chicago) last two days but they said they can't match the online price with the mail in rebate instead they offered me for a pair $82.++ so I grabbed it coz its $6 dollar difference compared online. And they have 4 spkrs left. When my onkyo 504 arrived next week and if sounds good I'll will get the last pair.

OK Primus owners, thought I would mix it up a little and see what kind of music you guys listen to. I'm mostly an acoustic rock type, like clear and crisp sound.

Tonight the wife dropped in a Black Eyed Peas CD and said "let's see how this sounds on those speakers of yours" and turned up the volume. Simply incredible. For movies I know I needed that PS 12 sub - now I know what it can really do for music.

Just to let anyone searching for primus know. If you visit CC in person they still may have the display models in stock sitting on a shelf somewhere. In my case they did and I got 150's for rear surrounds @ 30 a pair. A few dings on them but they sound good.
Its probably already stated here somewhere but their moving to Kef, Boston and Dennon lineups.

Even though I'd ordered onkyo 504. I still have a second thought for pioneer 816 to the drive the primus.And if pio 816 used for primus 150.It would be ok even if pio 816 has 110 watts?

And if pio 816 used for primus 150.It would be ok even if pio 816 has 110 watts?
It will be fine. Just don't crank up the volume all the way up (max).

If you don't need to angle them, they mount flush using wall anchors and screws for the keyhole slots. I have mine about 5 ft. up on the side walls, and some 140's in back mounted the same way. I also tried them on stands, but like the sound better up higher than the stands.
Great point BUT my couch is against the back wall so I really need to angle the 150's inward. Stands wont work becuase I want to be able to place them higher than what most stands go. Kinda looks like I may just have to put them on the back-wall and fire them straight out into my room. I may experiment w/it and see how it sounds.

Great point BUT my couch is against the back wall so I really need to angle the 150's inward. Stands wont work becuase I want to be able to place them higher than what most stands go. Kinda looks like I may just have to put them on the back-wall and fire them straight out into my room. I may experiment w/it and see how it sounds.
For 5.1 setup, generally speakers are placed on the side with 90-110 degree angle in to main listening position.

If possible, use some make shift arrangement to place speakers at different height and see what works best for you. As I mentioned earlier, I use a stand which is about 43-44" (I think it can be increased another 2-3", if needed) and 150s are placed on top of it, so total height from floor to top of the speaker is about 56-57". If that works for you, that stand was something like $45, when I got it.

Putting these on back wall perhaps not a good idea for 5.1 setup, but if it works for you nothing wrong with that too.

For 5.1 setup, generally speakers are placed on the side with 90-110 degree angle in to main listening position.

If possible, use some make shift arrangement to place speakers at different height and see what works best for you. As I mentioned earlier, I use a stand which is about 43-44" (I think it can be increased another 2-3", if needed) and 150s are placed on top of it, so total height from floor to top of the speaker is about 56-57". If that works for you, that stand was something like $45, when I got it.

Putting these on back wall perhaps not a good idea for 5.1 setup, but if it works for you nothing wrong with that too.
Yeah I will experiment and see what I can come up with. Right now am so busy w/packaging gear because sold some of my stuff. Still got more to sell and trying to get it ready for shipping as well.

I've had this Primus set up for about year in Cherry I purchased from Circuity City Powering it with an Onkyo 603 Rcvr. It does well enough for my viewing and listening needs. Nothing extraordinary by any means but is plenty enjoyable


http://www.excelia-hifi.cz/newobr/InfinityPrimus.jpg

I have been using 150s up front, along with the C25 center. Overall, I have been very happy with this setup. However, I always felt the center channel could be a little better. When I bought a new sub (Infinity SW-12), I really did not need my Mirage FRX-S8 (8" sub) anymore.

Rather than sell the Mirage, I tried using the center channel pre-out, and directing it to the 8" sub. I found this added that little bit of extension I thought the C25 was lacking. I am fortunate with the ayout of my viewing room, because I can put the 8" sub directly under the C25, which sits directly under the screen. This gives me a 3-way center - and really improved the lower frequency dialogue. You really need a musical sub to do this - boomy ones would not work.

Just a tip if anyone else feels the same way about the C25. I bought my mirage sub years ago for $40, and I still see them & it's energy 8" counterpart sell on ebay for < $100. They are quite good subs, but don't have enough output to really amaze in low freq LFE.

I have been using 150s up front, along with the C25 center. Overall, I have been very happy with this setup. However, I always felt the center channel could be a little better.

I have heard this a lot about the C25 and I love my 150's. My solution was to go with the Beta C360 as my center. My plan is to get Beta 40's or 50's to replace the 150's up front and use the 150's as surrounds.

Any suggestions or comments about my planned solution or other folks' experience with the Primus line matched to the Beta centers (C250 or C360)?

Thanks.

I ran out and got some of the Primus speakers from CC to match the Inifity CC-3 center channel and the BU-1 12" sub that I already have. I picked up a pair of 250's (under $200) and put in an order for 3-Primus 150's for surround and rear channel. The CC-3 was a pretty good center speaker in it's day and it seems to match well to my ear (it also has it's own tone control a.k.a. voice matching) but should I spring for another primus for the center channel. If so, could I get by with another 150 or should I get the actual Primus center channel speaker (much more expensive)?

Opinions?

I had considered the same thing hbehrman is doing, buying the Beta C360 center to go with my 250s. I ended up following the advice on this board and going with the primus C25 instead though. I suppose if you plan on upgrading the fronts to Betas anyway it was probably a good idea. How does it sound now with the mixed front? I would guess that the C360 might be a bit overpowering compared to the 150s, but who knows.

RichE, maybe you could try using the 150 as center first to see what it sounds like. Or just buy the C25, do an a/b comparison, and take back what you decide not to use. I'd be surprised if the 150 did as good a job as the C25, but who knows. Might be minimal difference in sound quality for a somewhat big price difference. Of course their clearance price for the C25 is a bargain anyway.

Rather than sell the Mirage, I tried using the center channel pre-out, and directing it to the 8" sub. I found this added that little bit of extension I thought the C25 was lacking. I am fortunate with the ayout of my viewing room, because I can put the 8" sub directly under the C25, which sits directly under the screen. This gives me a 3-way center - and really improved the lower frequency dialogue. You really need a musical sub to do this - boomy ones would not work.


how did you hook this up? was there a center channel pre-out from the receiver? how did you hook both up at the same time? I have the dayton 10"...would this be too boomy, if I crossed it over(from the sub) at say, 120hz?

Yes, I used the center channel pre-out.

If your dayton is an extra sub in your system, you might want to give this a a try. If you don't have a pre-out for center, then you could also try this if the sub has speaker wire in and out connections on the back.

I tried running dual subs, but one is enough for me. Using the other to help the center made a bigger difference.

wheres the best place to order the 250's or 360's ?

I have a small room will the 360's be to much ? also Im looking for the C25 also

can some one help :confused:

theres a seller on ebay that has 2 pairs of 360's for a really good price.

I am using Primus 250 mainly for stereo music. I'm thinking of upgrading to the Primus 360. Has anyone compared the two? Is the 360 boomy or muddy in the bass? Thanks.

I have heard this a lot about the C25 and I love my 150's. My solution was to go with the Beta C360 as my center. My plan is to get Beta 40's or 50's to replace the 150's up front and use the 150's as surrounds.

Any suggestions or comments about my planned solution or other folks' experience with the Primus line matched to the Beta centers (C250 or C360)?

Thanks.

I set up Beta 50's front with Beta C250 center and compared them to Primus 250's in front with the C25 center at home.

First of all, after much listening, I returned the Beta's (even though I payed less for them on open box) because the sound was darker and lacked the clear midrange of the Primus, and the bass seemed a little heavy. However the highs were more musical on the Beta's.

The center C25 center channel was loader and definitely was a better match to the Primus than to the Beta. However the C250 center has much more base. I kept the C25 and returned the C250 which I bought for about the same price.

I really like the Primus 250s. Now, I am thinking of buying the 360's, but don't know if they are much better

theres a seller on ebay that has 2 pairs of 360's for a really good price.
Just keep in mind the shipping charges too. IMO, if you end up paying anywhere in the range of $350 (inclusive of s&h) for a pair of these from ebay, you are better of by getting it from an authorized dealers like crutchfield or vanns (no preference here). It will be a little extra $$, but you will get 5 years warranty. Infinity will only provide warranty support, if you bought it from authorized dealers.

I set up Beta 50's front with Beta C250 center and compared them to Primus 250's in front with the C25 center at home.

First of all, after much listening, I returned the Beta's (even though I payed less for them on open box) because the sound was darker and lacked the clear midrange of the Primus, and the bass seemed a little heavy. However the highs were more musical on the Beta's.

The center C25 center channel was loader and definitely was a better match to the Primus than to the Beta. However the C250 center has much more base. I kept the C25 and returned the C250 which I bought for about the same price.

I really like the Primus 250s. Now, I am thinking of buying the 360's, but don't know if they are much better
It really depends on individual taste and preferences, so it is good way to decide about audio purchases.

However, Beta 50s are also very good speakers but they need a little bit more space to perform, so if you had placed them closer to the wall they might sound like what you experienced. You need to place them good 3-4' away from the wall.

I have a pair of 250's and a PS8 that I will sell for half of what I paid. Because of their size and weight, however, shipping would cost as much or more than I am asking for the speakers themselves. If someone is interested and can pick them up in Oklahoma City, PM me.

Question for current owners of these speakers: has the Primus line been discontinued as I've heard rumors of around the net?

I've been thinking about upgrading my HTiB speakers, and the Primus (150 mains, 140 surrounds & C25 center) look like a no-brainer option. For budget reasons I have to upgrade piece by piece though. I'd hate to buy my mains only to have the rest be discontinued and unavailable later when I can afford to add them.

If they are being discontinued, is there a replacement in the works with an equivalent price/performance value, or is Infinity moving on to something else?

they are being discontinued, but I haven't seen the replacement. a couple of options...vann's has some good deals going right now on packages(I know you want to piece it, but an fyi). they have a set with 4 150's and the c25 for 300(shipped, I think), and they have(or had) the 250's, 150's, c25, and ps10 for 599 shipped. I got in on that deal. they had it a while back, then sold out quickly, reopened the sale, then sold out again. you can call to see if they'll get the 250's again. hell of a deal, I think. mine will be delivered today, as well.

Question for current owners of these speakers: has the Primus line been discontinued as I've heard rumors of around the net?
Not really sure, if Infinity is discontinuing them or not. Primus line is still showing up on Infinity's web site. CC is not going to carry them now and for that reason they had primus speakers for discounted price for a while. I still see lot of online stores carrying them.

I've been thinking about upgrading my HTiB speakers, and the Primus (150 mains, 140 surrounds & C25 center) look like a no-brainer option. For budget reasons I have to upgrade piece by piece though. I'd hate to buy my mains only to have the rest be discontinued and unavailable later when I can afford to add them.
I would go with 150s for surrounds too. There is not that much difference in price of 150s vs 140s. Even if they are discotinued, you may still find them on eBay.

I still see lot of online stores carrying them.

My local Ultimate Electronics still carries them.

Not really sure, if Infinity is discontinuing them or not. Primus line is still showing up on Infinity's web site. CC is not going to carry them now and for that reason they had primus speakers for discounted price for a while. I still see lot of online stores carrying them.



Spoke to a retailer yesterday about the Primus 360's - the reason that they're on heavy discount at Vanns, Crutchfield, etc. is that they're being replaced with a "new" Primus. So the Primus series isn't being discontinued, but all of these individual models are...

So here's the real question - is it worth $300+shipping for a pair of these? Even if they just hold me over for 2-3 years until I get a new pair of "real" speakers? If you push, you can find them at this price these days, new A stock... I was thinking of getting the Wharfedale Diamond 9.6's for around $1k, but now I'm tempted to get the 360's as my hold-over speakers until I get something really nice in a few years... What do you all think???

J

I am new here and looking into setup HT using the 2x250, 4x150 and PS8. However, my entertainment center doesn't have a good place for center speaker, say C25. Is it ok for me to use 250 as center speaker?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

I am new here and looking into setup HT using the 2x250, 4x150 and PS8. However, my entertainment center doesn't have a good place for center speaker, say C25. Is it ok for me to use 250 as center speaker?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
I think that will work fine, but how are you going to place 250, if you say you don't have space for C25. 250 also is a big speaker.

Another option will be to use either a speaker stand for center channel speaker or a wall mount.

Spoke to a retailer yesterday about the Primus 360's - the reason that they're on heavy discount at Vanns, Crutchfield, etc. is that they're being replaced with a "new" Primus. So the Primus series isn't being discontinued, but all of these individual models are...

So here's the real question - is it worth $300+shipping for a pair of these? Even if they just hold me over for 2-3 years until I get a new pair of "real" speakers? If you push, you can find them at this price these days, new A stock... I was thinking of getting the Wharfedale Diamond 9.6's for around $1k, but now I'm tempted to get the 360's as my hold-over speakers until I get something really nice in a few years... What do you all think???

J

Yes..I love my 360's they will hold you over nicely.

I think that will work fine, but how are you going to place 250, if you say you don't have space for C25. 250 also is a big speaker.

Another option will be to use either a speaker stand for center channel speaker or a wall mount.

Thanks for the reply.
The bottom of entertainment center is drawers, and above TV are cabinets. The whole center is enbedded in the wall. So I can mount the center speaker above the cabinet, but that will be 7' above ground. Not sure if this works.

However, on the side of TV are two cabinet about 3' tall. I am going to put 250 in there, and open the cabinet door when listening. This can keep it away from kids also.

I heard that if I put center speaker on the side of TV, you will feel the sound comes not from screen. So I want to use two 250 speakers to balance it.

I heard that if I put center speaker on the side of TV, you will feel the sound comes not from screen. So I want to use two 250 speakers to balance it.
This will effectively eliminate any advantages that using a center speaker would otherwise have. You might as well save some $ by just using a phantom center instead. :cool:

So I can mount the center speaker above the cabinet, but that will be 7' above ground. Not sure if this works.
That should work too. Just tilt the speaker to point to the ear level at the main listening position.

That should work too. Just tilt the speaker to point to the ear level at the main listening position.

So based on Pulliamm's and your comments, I probably still use c25 and mount it tilted toward my ear level.
Thanks again.

Has abybody tried the Primus 250 or 360 with the DENON AVR1507 (or 1707) 7.1 receiver?

Is this any good?

The 1507 has 7x85 Watts, but I don´t know about the current though...?


Any help is appreciated

Has abybody tried the Primus 250 or 360 with the DENON AVR1507 (or 1707) 7.1 receiver?

Is this any good?

The 1507 has 7x85 Watts, but I don´t know about the current though...?


Any help is appreciated
Both Primus 250 and 360s are very easy to drive, so you should be fine. Denon AVRs you have mentioned seem to be decent ones with enough power to drive these speakers.

Can I ask
Currently can someone supply a URL for their best Primus prices.
Are they more warm / bright?
Wil it be an overkill to partner them with a THX Ultra reciever in a large space, plus a SVS SB12+?
Plan B- try them out with my Panny XR57 in a study room setting

Can I ask
Currently can someone supply a URL for their best Primus prices.
Are they more warm / bright?
Wil it be an overkill to partner them with a THX Ultra reciever in a large space, plus a SVS SB12+?
Plan B- try them out with my Panny XR57 in a study room setting


Price Grabber lists some good prices. But, the lowest ones are not from authorized dealers, so they will not be covered by warrantee

Has anyone compared Primus 250's and 360's?

Has anyone compared Primus 250's and 360's?

I have a pair of 250's connected to my Pioneer A/V receiver right now, and I am very happy about them. I should get delivered a pair of 360's this coming week. I am also curious about how they compare to each other, but should be able to answer that question soon.

The 250's sound and look great, specially for the price, but I found them slightly lacking in the deep bass, and very directional (off-axis they sound completely different). I hope the 360's will have more punch.

So basically my setup will be to have the 360's as my main speakers and the 250's as surrounds.

I have a pair of 250's connected to my Pioneer A/V receiver right now, and I am very happy about them. I should get delivered a pair of 360's this coming week. I am also curious about how they compare to each other, but should be able to answer that question soon.

The 250's sound and look great, specially for the price, but I found them slightly lacking in the deep bass, and very directional (off-axis they sound completely different). I hope the 360's will have more punch.

So basically my setup will be to have the 360's as my main speakers and the 250's as surrounds.

Please let us know how they compare. I wonder if the midrange speaker and higher crossover improves the top end also.

I had considered the same thing hbehrman is doing, buying the Beta C360 center to go with my 250s. I ended up following the advice on this board and going with the primus C25 instead though. I suppose if you plan on upgrading the fronts to Betas anyway it was probably a good idea. How does it sound now with the mixed front? I would guess that the C360 might be a bit overpowering compared to the 150s, but who knows.



I saw Heart on Soundstage in HD on Saturday night and it sounded friggin' incredible. Of course it sounded bright, but a lot was acoustic guitar which lent itself to that. Best sound I have heard yet. I should note that this was Dolby Surround 3 Stereo mode (i.e. analog), digital must be beyond my comprehension at this point. Can't wait to get floorstanders to fill in the low end.

Please let us know how they compare. I wonder if the midrange speaker and higher crossover improves the top end also.

Here are a few first impressions, FWIW :

- The 360's are much heavier and bulkier compared to the 250's. Hence lower W.A.F. for the 360's. :p

- They have a strong family resemblance. Actually they look the same, the 360's just look like 250's on steroids. The finish is exactly the same, the five-way binding posts are the same too.

- Sound: I haven't had the time to do a lot of comparative listening, but one thing is obvious, the 360's are louder/slightly more efficient than the 250's across the board, over the entire spectrum. I was wondering about the midrange too, but actually the two-way 250's and the three-way 360's sound almost the same to me, same tonality. I know that's rather vague, I expect to be able to pinpoint more differences between the 360's and 250's by listening to more recordings from different sources and at different volume levels.

Short version: they sound the same, but the 360's are louder. For a smaller room, the 250's are fine, for a bigger room, the choice would be the 360's.

My next buy will be the center speaker, obviously the Primus C25 is the one I have in mind.

I LOVE the c25. I think my favorite thing about my system is finally having adequate rears(the 150's)

I just ordered

the 360's ($380 pr at Crutchfield)
C25 ($120)
150's ($102 pr)

now I just need a SUB ? :confused: I think the PS12 might be 2 big for my room

any suggestions ?

budget?

and what is your ht/movie mix?

I say under $350 shipped , but the size of the box is a big thing.

I mainly watch SPorts , SPorts, Movies on the HDA1 and Listen to alot of Rap and Hip-Hop

depending on how much you want to spend. haven't heard any of these, but this is what I was thinking for my own research.

~200-230 shipped: bic h100
~350: hsu has a sub for 299 + shipping

I tried the infinity ps10, and I personally didn't care for it. I'm going to try the ps12. if you got the speakers from crutchfield, they can usually make you a deal on the sub. I'd call and see what they can do.

Anybody have experience with Onkyo TX SR604 with Infinity speakers? I have ordered 2x 250, 2x 160, 1 TSS center 1000, and PS-12. and is looking for a receiver around $350.

depending on how much you want to spend. haven't heard any of these, but this is what I was thinking for my own research.

~200-230 shipped: bic h100
~350: hsu has a sub for 299 + shipping

I tried the infinity ps10, and I personally didn't care for it. I'm going to try the ps12. if you got the speakers from crutchfield, they can usually make you a deal on the sub. I'd call and see what they can do.

what do you mean give deals at crutchfield ?

Yur sying i could have got a better deal on my 360's and c25 at crutchfield if I called ? :mad:


well I do want the ps12 or 10 they are $299 and $350 at crutchfield

and you can get $20 off from a Promtional code

you think they can give me a better deal

^^I have that combo(with the c25) with the 602. I love that receiver, but I am an onkyo fanboy. why did you go with that center over the c25?

^I'm not sure...I called to ask about a package deal, and they did knock a little off, but I don't know that it was more than $20. just call and ask. I got mine in a package deal, but my thoughts are, if you spend 350, you may have better options.

I just ordered

the 360's ($380 pr at Crutchfield)
C25 ($120)
150's ($102 pr)

now I just need a SUB ? :confused: I think the PS12 might be 2 big for my room

any suggestions ?

With those 360's you might not need a sub, but if you are going to buy one I highly recommend the PS 12. No such thing as too big for the room, you can always dial it down.

Anybody have experience with Onkyo TX SR604 with Infinity speakers? I have ordered 2x 250, 2x 160, 1 TSS center 1000, and PS-12. and is looking for a receiver around $350.

If you want a good receiver to go with the Primus look at a the Pioneers. I have the 1015 and it cost less than $350. The auto calibration on the Pioneer receivers is well worth the money, you will not be disappointed.

Here are a few first impressions, FWIW :

- The 360's are much heavier and bulkier compared to the 250's. Hence lower W.A.F. for the 360's. :p

- They have a strong family resemblance. Actually they look the same, the 360's just look like 250's on steroids. The finish is exactly the same, the five-way binding posts are the same too.

- Sound: I haven't had the time to do a lot of comparative listening, but one thing is obvious, the 360's are louder/slightly more efficient than the 250's across the board, over the entire spectrum. I was wondering about the midrange too, but actually the two-way 250's and the three-way 360's sound almost the same to me, same tonality. I know that's rather vague, I expect to be able to pinpoint more differences between the 360's and 250's by listening to more recordings from different sources and at different volume levels.

Short version: they sound the same, but the 360's are louder. For a smaller room, the 250's are fine, for a bigger room, the choice would be the 360's.

My next buy will be the center speaker, obviously the Primus C25 is the one I have in mind.

Thanks for the info. Thats interesting. If your amp has a speakers A & B switch, and the speakers are roughly in the same place, and someone can switch and adjusts the volume for you, that would be the best way to compare. I would think the increased base extention should be noticeable, if not also the midrange. I remember reading a Sterophile post suggesting to put spikes on the bottom of the 360's to help prevent any slight bass resonance if used on a rug.

If you want a good receiver to go with the Primus look at a the Pioneers. I have the 1015 and it cost less than $350. The auto calibration on the Pioneer receivers is well worth the money, you will not be disappointed.

I agree. I have the Pioneer VSX-816 (7x100W) driving the Primus 360's (main) and 250's (surround). The Primus are relatively efficient and the Pioneer drives them effortlessly, getting barely warm even after many hours playing at reasonable levels. The auto-calibration feature is quite neat and the remote is very complete, although it does take a while to learn how to use the wealth of features available on the Pioneer.

Neither the Pioneer nor the Primus are "audiophile-standard" components but I think both brands provide good value. For example, the Pioneer receiver's front panel and buttons are plastic, and the Infinity Primus speakers are finished in "wood grain" vynil. Does that have any effect on how they sound? No.

Reviews:

Pioneer VSX-816-K/S (7x100W): check the digitaltrends review.
Pioneer VSX-1016TXV (7x120W, THX2, HDMI): there's a review on CNET.

I just ordered

the 360's ($380 pr at Crutchfield)
C25 ($120)
150's ($102 pr)

now I just need a SUB ? :confused: I think the PS12 might be 2 big for my room

any suggestions ?

I bought the PS10 because it is smaller than the PS12, and a surround sound installer told me that it had tighter base. I don't think any single subwoofer is going to give earth shattering base for movies without distortion. I would get the PS12 if you like more base, and don't mind the size. I would get PS-10 if you want to fill in the base more naturally without really noticing it. You may want to reseach other subwoofers - some might be better deals - and any tonal difference may not be noticeable in a subwoofer? I bought the Infinity so that all the speakers looked the same.

Thanks for the info. Thats interesting. If your amp has a speakers A & B switch, and the speakers are roughly in the same place, and someone can switch and adjusts the volume for you, that would be the best way to compare. I would think the increased base extention should be noticeable, if not also the midrange. I remember reading a Sterophile post suggesting to put spikes on the bottom of the 360's to help prevent any slight bass resonance if used on a rug.

Yes, I'll definitely try the A/B switching and volume adjustments to get a better idea of how they compare. I have a wooden floor so spikes are a no-no here at home, but the Primus' rubber feet seem to do a good job absorbing resonances.

What I did find out in the last two days is that speaker placement and orientation are surprisingly critical. Both the 250's and the 360's sound much better (to me, at least) if I place them a few inches (6~10") from the wall, and slightly turned inwards.

I agree. I have the Pioneer VSX-816 (7x100W) driving the Primus 360's (main) and 250's (surround). The Primus are relatively efficient and the Pioneer drives them effortlessly, getting barely warm even after many hours playing at reasonable levels. The auto-calibration feature is quite neat and the remote is very complete, although it does take a while to learn how to use the wealth of features available on the Pioneer.

Neither the Pioneer nor the Primus are "audiophile-standard" components but I think both brands provide good value. For example, the Pioneer receiver's front panel and buttons are plastic, and the Infinity Primus speakers are finished in "wood grain" vynil. Does that have any effect on how they sound? No.

Reviews:

Pioneer VSX-816-K/S (7x100W): check the digitaltrends review.
Pioneer VSX-1016TXV (7x120W, THX2, HDMI): there's a review on CNET.



Thanks for the recommendation. I got the VSX 1016 at Amazon for $374 with free shipping. Although it's not in stock right now, I purchased from them because Amazon is an authorized dealer. Hope they will get the unit very soon. I guess other merchants in Amazon market place can't be considered as authorized dealer.

I guess other merchants in Amazon market place can't be considered as authorized dealer.
You may be right about that. However, there are many other retailers, who also sell product using Amazon (J&R, one call etc.) who are authorized dealers too.

I always call manufacturer and check with them if Amazon (or any one else I am considering a purchase from) is an authorized dealer or not. Many manufacturers also have this info on their web site.

Yes, I'll definitely try the A/B switching and volume adjustments to get a better idea of how they compare. I have a wooden floor so spikes are a no-no here at home, but the Primus' rubber feet seem to do a good job absorbing resonances.

What I did find out in the last two days is that speaker placement and orientation are surprisingly critical. Both the 250's and the 360's sound much better (to me, at least) if I place them a few inches (6~10") from the wall, and slightly turned inwards.

I also found that towing in my 250's slightly created a better sound image.

I need speaker wire for my infinity Primus setup and i dont know what to get any advice ?

I need speaker wire for my infinity Primus setup and i dont know what to get any advice ?
Just replied to your question in another thread, but here it is again

I use 16 gauge speaker wire bought from Radioshack, but monoprice, BlueJeanCable, Home Depot etc., anything is fine so long as you use appropriate wire gauge for the length of cable you need.

Check out your speaker's impedance rating (Primus series is 8ohm) and figure out the length of cable needed for your longest run and then use the wire table in the link (roger russell) posted below to find out what gauge will work best for you.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

I need speaker wire for my infinity Primus setup and i dont know what to get any advice ?

The advice from axs is very, very good. If you are willing to do some math, you can also calculate the resistance of your cables if you know the approximate cross-section of the wire using the formula :

R = (k x l) / s

where R = resistance of your run of cable, k is the specific resistance (in Ohms at a temperature of 20 C), a constant that depends on the metal used (copper : 0.017, silver 0.016), l is the total length of the wire in meters (multiply by 2 for speaker cables of any given length), and s is the cross-section (in mm2).

An example :

16-gauge copper cable (1.5 mm2), 30-feet (approx. 10 meters) speaker cable length =>
R = 2 x 10 x 0.017 / 1.5 = 0.23 Ohms

Since 0.23 Ohms is approximately 3% of the 8 Ohms speaker impedance of the Primus, it will not change in any significant way the sound from your speakers.

If using silver wire you would get R = 0.21 Ohms, which just shows that silver speaker cable is not worth the extra cost, imho.

Just replied to your question in another thread, but here it is again

I use 16 gauge speaker wire bought from Radioshack, but monoprice, BlueJeanCable, Home Depot etc., anything is fine so long as you use appropriate wire gauge for the length of cable you need.

Check out your speaker's impedance rating (Primus series is 8ohm) and figure out the length of cable needed for your longest run and then use the wire table in the link (roger russell) posted below to find out what gauge will work best for you.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

Thanks

Is this fine?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=4118261&type=product&productCategoryId=cat08055&id=1051384702997

Thanks

Is this fine?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=4118261&type=product&productCategoryId=cat08055&id=1051384702997
It depends. What is your longest run for a speaker?

You can save some money on even these if you check out your local radioshack. I got mine for about $11 for 50' spool of 16 gauge speaker wire.

hi guys, i have a new home theater and after reading a few pages here im still confused as to what crossover freq to use

i have the primus c25 center, 360s for fronts, ps12 for the sub & 150s for rear (5.1 setup) powered by a onkyo 604 (new HDMI model)

so my understanding is that I should set ALL speakers to small? and the center to 100, the rest to 80? what about the sub? on my receiver I can individually set the crossover on each channel, it ranges from full band to 200, and i think the lowest the sub crossover goes is 80

TIA, trying to get this right :)

It depends. What is your longest run for a speaker?

You can save some money on even these if you check out your local radioshack. I got mine for about $11 for 50' spool of 16 gauge speaker wire.

If you have a local Big Lots store in your area, check them out. I picked up 100 feet of 16 gauge wire recently for $5.99 to wire up some speakers in the garage.

I've attached a pic of the package label - which I though was pretty funny. Big Lots sells a lot of stuff cheap - including "Speaker Wipe" :D

This is even better deal, unfortunately I don't have any Big Lots in my area.

hi guys, i have a new home theater and after reading a few pages here im still confused as to what crossover freq to use

i have the primus c25 center, 360s for fronts, ps12 for the sub & 150s for rear (5.1 setup) powered by a onkyo 604 (new HDMI model)

so my understanding is that I should set ALL speakers to small? and the center to 100, the rest to 80? what about the sub? on my receiver I can individually set the crossover on each channel, it ranges from full band to 200, and i think the lowest the sub crossover goes is 80

TIA, trying to get this right :)

Hi,

That's a rather nice speaker setup you have there! The following is as far as I understand, so somebody please correct me if I am wrong :

1) You should always try to set the crossover frequencies to the subwoofer as low as possible. So all your speakers should be set to SMALL on the receiver, as you have done already.

2) The 360's (front) are fine down to 50 Hz, so set them to 60 Hz crossover on your receiver.

3) The 150's (surround) should be OK crossing at 80 Hz.

4) The C25 (center) should be OK crossing at 80 Hz too, although I guess 100 Hz is acceptable.

5) Set the low-pass filter on the subwoofer itself to a frequency slightly above the highest one set above, so 85~105 Hz depending on how you set the C25.

6) Test with a few movies with different sound tracks. Your own ears are the judge, in the end. :)

If you have a local Big Lots store in your area, check them out. I picked up 100 feet of 16 gauge wire recently for $5.99 to wire up some speakers in the garage.

I've attached a pic of the package label - which I though was pretty funny. Big Lots sells a lot of stuff cheap - including "Speaker Wipe" :D


LOL!!! Nice find...

thanks for the help :)

the LFE crossover can only be adjusted in increments of 20, so I cant set it slighter above the center freq. (ie - only 80, 100, 120 etc.) so what do you recommend I do in this case? I dont know if I should choose 80 or 100 on the center...

how i have it setup right now

360s - 60
c25 - 100
sub - 80
rear - 80

Hi,

That's a rather nice speaker setup you have there! The following is as far as I understand, so somebody please correct me if I am wrong :

1) You should always try to set the crossover frequencies to the subwoofer as low as possible. So all your speakers should be set to SMALL on the receiver, as you have done already.

2) The 360's (front) are fine down to 50 Hz, so set them to 60 Hz crossover on your receiver.

3) The 150's (surround) should be OK crossing at 80 Hz.

4) The C25 (center) should be OK crossing at 80 Hz too, although I guess 100 Hz is acceptable.

5) Set the low-pass filter on the subwoofer itself to a frequency slightly above the highest one set above, so 85~105 Hz depending on how you set the C25.

6) Test with a few movies with different sound tracks. Your own ears are the judge, in the end. :)

thanks for the help :)

the LFE crossover can only be adjusted in increments of 20, so I cant set it slighter above the center freq. (ie - only 80, 100, 120 etc.) so what do you recommend I do in this case? I dont know if I should choose 80 or 100 on the center...

how i have it setup right now

360s - 60
c25 - 100
sub - 80
rear - 80

My guess is adjusting the LFE crossover to 80Hz should be OK.

As for the center, there should be a very small difference between adjusting it to 80 or 100 Hz. According to wikipedia, adult male voice frequencies fundamentals range from 85 to 155 Hz, and for adult females, from 165 to 255 Hz. The center channel is mostly used to reproduce movie dialogues. If you want to use 100Hz, I would suggest you watch a few movies (Saving Private Ryan in Dolby 5.1 is a sure bet) and try to place the male dialogues by closing your eyes; they should be right in front of you. Of course if your sub is right under your center it won't make much of a difference! Also remember that loudspeakers are considered omnidirectional below 250Hz, so in any case it shouldn't make much of a difference in terms of bass.

There is however one advantage to not having the speakers crossover (from center to sub) above 85Hz: the full range of male (and female) voices will be reproduced by the center speaker, and in the case of the C25 that's exactly what it has been designed and optimized for. In theory that should make dialogues clearer. So imho, 80Hz crossover frequency for sub-to-center is best.

[Edit] I just noticed on the first page of this thread, axs has posted a very good answer to a similar question! :o

I have setup my Primus 250's and 360's side by side in my medium-small living room. This is an almost rectangular living room with a wooden floor, heavy rugs, shelves with books, a (real) piano, furniture, plants, etc (i.e. no particularly annoying resonances, as far as I can tell).

My receiver is a Pioneer 816 (7x100W). I am testing with digital processing turned off (i.e. direct mode, stereo). Following the tip by CGB21, I have setup the 360's as my zone A, and the 250's as my zone B. The Pioneer has a "speakers" button on the front panel that allows switching A -> B -> AB -> A.

Listening tests:

Music:
- Vivaldi's four seasons: I really have no way to tell which speakers are playing. At least when playing classical music at low-medium levels, the 250's and 360's sound very much alike.

Tone testing:
- I tested a few pure sine wave tones (generated on a laptop connected to the AUX input on the receiver).
- 2KHz: the speakers sound exactly the same, but the 360 is slightly louder.
- 440Hz: the speakers sound very similar and play at the same volume. The 250's have a slightly different sound, which I can only describe as slightly "nasal".
- 75Hz, 55Hz and 45Hz: surprise! The 250's actually play slightly louder compared to the 360's. The sound is again similar, with a slightly more pronounced "nasal" tonality from the 250's. I was also surprised to hear the 250's playing back a 45Hz tone without any significant attenuation.
- 40Hz, 30Hz, 20Hz: at 40Hz the 250's response falls off sharply, whereas the 360's go as low as 30Hz. At 20Hz neither the 250's nor the 360's have any significant sound output.

Right now I am listening to music with the receiver set as AB. The sound is sweet. :)

Future tests:
1) Testing at louder levels.
2) Testing different kinds of music.
3) Testing the four speakers in a Dolby Pro II setup.
4) Obviously, the inevitable 5.1 testing; I am waiting for my subwoofer for that.
5) Any other test suggestions ? :confused:

How do i tell if my 150's are defective or not connected right ? they seemed messed up to me. Or i dont have them hooked up right or the settings arent right on my reciever (panny xr57)

How do i tell if my 150's are defective or not connected right ? they seemed messed up to me. Or i dont have them hooked up right or the settings arent right on my reciever (panny xr57)
What is the issue? Are they sounding strange in some way?

Little more info about the issue will be helpful. I guess you can start with checking out the connection, if they are loose or something. Also check the connection and see if wire polarity is reversed, if yes, do the correct wiring and try again.

What is the issue? Are they sounding strange in some way?

Little more info about the issue will be helpful. I guess you can start with checking out the connection, if they are loose or something. Also check the connection and see if wire polarity is reversed, if yes, do the correct wiring and try again.

They just seem real low :confused: as if there not on or working right.

I press the Test Button on the Panny and everything seems ok.

They just seem real low :confused: as if there not on or working right.

I press the Test Button on the Panny and everything seems ok.
As suggested earlier, check speaker wire polarity first. Generally one of wire is marked with white line, so make sure you have connected + terminal on speaker to + on receiver and - terminal on speaker to - on receiver. Making a reverse connection may cause this.

Are all the speakers sounding like that or only 1 or 2 are like that?

I live in an apartment and my room is about 12 by 15 ft and I am considering getting the 250's. Its for a two channel system. Are the 250's a good choice?

As suggested earlier, check speaker wire polarity first. Generally one of wire is marked with white line, so make sure you have connected + terminal on speaker to + on receiver and - terminal on speaker to - on receiver. Making a reverse connection may cause this.

Are all the speakers sounding like that or only 1 or 2 are like that?

so you think i have the speaker wire revered ? on the reciever or the speakers? :confused:

I kind of thought that my self

I live in an apartment and my room is about 12 by 15 ft and I am considering getting the 250's. Its for a two channel system. Are the 250's a good choice?

Like many people in this thread, I think the 250's sound extraordinarily good, even when compared to much more expensive speakers. For a 12 x 15 ft room, they'll provide more than enough volume. Just make sure your amplifier/receiver can provide at least 2 x 50W (the 250's are rated up to 150W).

so you think i have the speaker wire revered ? on the reciever or the speakers? :confused:

I kind of thought that my self
You will have to check both ends. Just as an example, if you have connected the wire with white marking to + terminal on receiver, then make sure that end is connected to + terminal on speaker too. Wire without marking will be connected to - terminal on receiver and speaker.

Generally it is good idea to make some kind of rule for connection ... like wire with white marking will be for + terminal and follow that for connecting each speaker. This way you can make sure, the connection is right.

I live in an apartment and my room is about 12 by 15 ft and I am considering getting the 250's. Its for a two channel system. Are the 250's a good choice?
Where do you live? Is there any chance you will be in Oklahoma City at some point? If so, PM me.

Hi,
I have recently purchased 5.1 HT - infinity TSS 750 system and onkyo SR 703 receiver.
I am not quite happy with the system performance when playing music, though quite satisfied with movies. So, I have decided to upgrade the system with primus 360s for fronts and keep satellites and sub woofer to make 7.1system. My question is, do 360s match with TSS 750 ? or should I purchase matching central and surround speakers for 360s ? Any feedback is appreicated.

PULLIAMM,
what is your choice between 250s vs 360s for a room size 16'X12'. I can buy 250s' lot cheaper than 360s from a local store.


thanks.

Hi,
I have recently purchased 5.1 HT - infinity TSS 750 system and onkyo SR 703 receiver.
I am not quite happy with the system performance when playing music, though quite satisfied with movies. So, I have decided to upgrade the system with primus 360s for fronts and keep satellites and sub woofer to make 7.1system. My question is, do 360s match with TSS 750 ? or should I purchase matching central and surround speakers for 360s ? Any feedback is appreicated.
thanks.
If you were getting 360s for a separate 2 channel system, it would have been fine, but trying to integrate these 2 to make a 7.1 perhaps is not a good idea. You have a good receiver though.

Some of the issues with this system is that the satellites and center can't go below 120hz (even if it performs at rated specs) and even sub will not go any lower than 360s (rated specs for primus 360 are 38hz-20khz and TSS sub is 34hz-150hz), so it will be almost useless for all practical purposes. Also center will not be matching with 360s.

If you can return TSS-750 and get primus 150s for surrounds and C25 for center along with primus 250s/360 for mains that will make a much better system than trying to use TSS-750 with primus 360s. You will also need a decent sub.

Just my 2 cents.

Hi,
I have recently purchased 5.1 HT - infinity TSS 750 system and onkyo SR 703 receiver.
I am not quite happy with the system performance when playing music, though quite satisfied with movies. So, I have decided to upgrade the system with primus 360s for fronts and keep satellites and sub woofer to make 7.1system. My question is, do 360s match with TSS 750 ? or should I purchase matching central and surround speakers for 360s ? Any feedback is appreicated.

PULLIAMM,
what is your choice between 250s vs 360s for a room size 16'X12'. I can buy 250s' lot cheaper than 360s from a local store.


thanks.


If the tweeter in the two speakers is the same (I think it is) then they should sound pretty good since the midrange in the 360s is 4 inches and the woofers in the TS are 3.5 both are of the same material. You stated movies are OK so this way you add 2 speakers for better music and you get a 7.1 movie system. As for the sub being useless - its not true the extension and SPL will be better than the towers.

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PULLIAMM,
what is your choice between 250s vs 360s for a room size 16'X12'. I can buy 250s' lot cheaper than 360s from a local store.

See my post above where I compare the 250's and 360's side by side. For a 16' by 12' room they'll both do fine.

If you were getting 360s for a separate 2 channel system, it would have been fine, but trying to integrate these 2 to make a 7.1 perhaps is not a good idea. You have a good receiver though.

Some of the issues with this system is that the satellites and center can't go below 120hz (even if it performs at rated specs) and even sub will not go any lower than 360s (rated specs for primus 360 are 38hz-20khz and TSS sub is 34hz-150hz), so it will be almost useless for all practical purposes. Also center will not be matching with 360s.

If you can return TSS-750 and get primus 150s for surrounds and C25 for center along with primus 250s/360 for mains that will make a much better system than trying to use TSS-750 with primus 360s. You will also need a decent sub.

Just my 2 cents.

thanks.
Unfortunately, is too late to return.

PULLIAMM,
what is your choice between 250s vs 360s for a room size 16'X12'. I can buy 250s' lot cheaper than 360s from a local store.

In a room that size, I would say go for the 250's. The 360's are more of an advantage in really big rooms.

If the tweeter in the two speakers is the same (I think it is) then they should sound pretty good since the midrange in the 360s is 4 inches and the woofers in the TS are 3.5 both are of the same material. You stated movies are OK so this way you add 2 speakers for better music and you get a 7.1 movie system. As for the sub being useless - its not true the extension and SPL will be better than the towers.

Apodaca, thank you very much. I am quite relieved by your reply. I will give it a try to integrate 360s with TSS 750.

Gigapod,
thanks. I have read your comparision. I have listened to 250s, they are very good, thought 360s may be even better.

Apodaca, thank you very much. I am quite relieved by your reply. I will give it a try to integrate 360s with TSS 750.

Gigapod,
thanks. I have read your comparision. I have listened to 250s, they are very good, thought 360s may be even better.

I have both the 250s and the 360s their both great speakers. You wouldn't be disappointed with either.

thanks.
Unfortunately, is too late to return.
Well, good luck then. Let us know your opinion after you add the new mains to your system

BTW, I really think you should at least change the center to primus C25 along with either primus 250 or 360 as fronts.

Well, good luck then. Let us know your opinion after you add the new mains to your system

BTW, I really think you should at least change the center to primus C25 along with either primus 250 or 360 as fronts.

I second this one.

If the tweeter in the two speakers is the same (I think it is) then they should sound pretty good since the midrange in the 360s is 4 inches and the woofers in the TS are 3.5 both are of the same material. You stated movies are OK so this way you add 2 speakers for better music and you get a 7.1 movie system. As for the sub being useless - its not true the extension and SPL will be better than the towers.
I hope you are right. Center channel speakers are designed to match the other speakers in the same product line, so C25 will be a good match for all primus speakers, but same can't be said about the other product lines from Infinity.

Hi,
...
My question is, do 360s match with TSS 750 ?
...

You'll find lab measurements for the TSS 750 and Primus 360 here:

TSS 750 (http://www.hometheatermag.com/subsatloudspeakers/204infinity/index1.html)
Primus 360 (http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/605infinity/index3.html)


Although the speakers come from the same company and use the same driver technology (MMD), they don't seem to match in terms of frequency response or efficiency.

You may be able to overcome some of this by carefully adjusting your receiver.

Just tell us how it goes after you install your new main speakers.

Could not resist anymore. I have ordered pair of 360s from Vanns. I am hoping I can adjust current center channel and sub with 360s.

I have setup my Primus 250's and 360's side by side in my medium-small living room. This is an almost rectangular living room with a wooden floor, heavy rugs, shelves with books, a (real) piano, furniture, plants, etc (i.e. no particularly annoying resonances, as far as I can tell).

My receiver is a Pioneer 816 (7x100W). I am testing with digital processing turned off (i.e. direct mode, stereo). Following the tip by CGB21, I have setup the 360's as my zone A, and the 250's as my zone B. The Pioneer has a "speakers" button on the front panel that allows switching A -> B -> AB -> A.

Listening tests:

Music:
- Vivaldi's four seasons: I really have no way to tell which speakers are playing. At least when playing classical music at low-medium levels, the 250's and 360's sound very much alike.

Tone testing:
- I tested a few pure sine wave tones (generated on a laptop connected to the AUX input on the receiver).
- 2KHz: the speakers sound exactly the same, but the 360 is slightly louder.
- 440Hz: the speakers sound very similar and play at the same volume. The 250's have a slightly different sound, which I can only describe as slightly "nasal".
- 75Hz, 55Hz and 45Hz: surprise! The 250's actually play slightly louder compared to the 360's. The sound is again similar, with a slightly more pronounced "nasal" tonality from the 250's. I was also surprised to hear the 250's playing back a 45Hz tone without any significant attenuation.
- 40Hz, 30Hz, 20Hz: at 40Hz the 250's response falls off sharply, whereas the 360's go as low as 30Hz. At 20Hz neither the 250's nor the 360's have any significant sound output.

Right now I am listening to music with the receiver set as AB. The sound is sweet. :)

Future tests:
1) Testing at louder levels.
2) Testing different kinds of music.
3) Testing the four speakers in a Dolby Pro II setup.
4) Obviously, the inevitable 5.1 testing; I am waiting for my subwoofer for that.
5) Any other test suggestions ? :confused:

Thanks for the review.

I've been thinking of buying the 360's for the front, but I will continue using my 250's for a while since I'm also using a PS-10 sub. I will continue to watch if you have more to say after you have lived with them a while.

You'll find lab measurements for the TSS 750 and Primus 360 here:

TSS 750 (http://www.hometheatermag.com/subsatloudspeakers/204infinity/index1.html)
Primus 360 (http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/605infinity/index3.html)


Although the speakers come from the same company and use the same driver technology (MMD), they don't seem to match in terms of frequency response or efficiency.

You may be able to overcome some of this by carefully adjusting your receiver.

Just tell us how it goes after you install your new main speakers.

Its by no means intended to be a perfect match > He asked if it would work and how it would sound. Most important thing is the tweeter and since both have the same one - it will match at above 3k fairly well.

Its by no means intended to be a perfect match > He asked if it would work and how it would sound. Most important thing is the tweeter and since both have the same one - it will match at above 3k fairly well.

that is correct. Here is what I received from Infinity support.
While the PRIMUS 360 speakers will work well with the TSS750 it will not
be a perfect match. Only you can listen and decide whether or not the
TSS750 center speaker is a good match. Should you determine that you
must have the PRIMUS center, you can feel safe to know that at least the
rear and back speakers will work nicely along with the sub.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Joe Chinnici
Internet Support Specialist


I may have to buy atleast primus center. But, I will wait until I listen to my 360s.

Thanks for the review.

I've been thinking of buying the 360's for the front, but I will continue using my 250's for a while since I'm also using a PS-10 sub. I will continue to watch if you have more to say after you have lived with them a while.

After almost two weeks of daily use and quite a few listening sessions, I still hear little difference between the 360's and 250's when playing jazz, classical or electronic music (my Jazz recordings date from the 1950's and may not quite have the level of detail required for speaker comparisons). However, when switching between them in the middle of a note or song, one can tell they have different frequency responses, not so much in the high frequencies, but between 200~2000 Hz, which is basically the range of human voice. The 250's seem to emphasize slightly the midrange frequencies, the 360's seem more neutral, with a flatter response. The difference, however, is very subtle.

I cannot say I prefer either. Some instruments seem to stand out better on the 250's, and some on the 360's. It seems that playing on both sets of speakers simultaneously (mode A+B on the receiver) gets me the best of both worlds. :p

I have played music at louder levels and both speakers can hold their own; the sound is still similar. They could play even louder but I wouldn't want my neighbors banging at my door... :eek:

I don't have bookshelves that I can use for speakers and I am not very satisfied with speaker stands, which is the main reason I prefered the 250's vs. 150's as surround speakers. So I am now going to move the 250's to their surround position.

I also just got delivered a 12" active subwoofer which I bought used for $130, a german Magnat Alpha 30a. It does reach frequencies into the low 20's and has its own 180W amp; after turning down its volume control it matches quite seamlessly the Primus 360's and 250's (I am crossing over at 80Hz on the receiver).

I have done all my listening tests until now in "Direct" mode on the receiver: no level-matching, no equalisation whatsoever. My future tests will be done in a 4.1 setup, with Dolby II Pro music surround mixing and the Pioneer's automatically calibrated acoustic equalisation settings.

CGB21, since you already have the 250's and the sub, you may want to add the 360's to your setup. IMHO they would be worth the investment.

After almost two weeks of daily use and quite a few listening sessions, I still hear little difference between the 360's and 250's when playing jazz, classical or electronic music (my Jazz recordings date from the 1950's and may not quite have the level of detail required for speaker comparisons). However, when switching between them in the middle of a note or song, one can tell they have different frequency responses, not so much in the high frequencies, but between 200~2000 Hz, which is basically the range of human voice. The 250's seem to emphasize slightly the midrange frequencies, the 360's seem more neutral, with a flatter response. The difference, however, is very subtle.

I cannot say I prefer either. Some instruments seem to stand out better on the 250's, and some on the 360's. It seems that playing on both sets of speakers simultaneously (mode A+B on the receiver) gets me the best of both worlds. :p

I have played music at louder levels and both speakers can hold their own; the sound is still similar. They could play even louder but I wouldn't want my neighbors banging at my door... :eek:

I don't have bookshelves that I can use for speakers and I am not very satisfied with speaker stands, which is the main reason I prefered the 250's vs. 150's as surround speakers. So I am now going to move the 250's to their surround position.

I also just got delivered a 12" active subwoofer which I bought used for $130, a german Magnat Alpha 30a. It does reach frequencies into the low 20's and has its own 180W amp; after turning down its volume control it matches quite seamlessly the Primus 360's and 250's (I am crossing over at 80Hz on the receiver).

I have done all my listening tests until now in "Direct" mode on the receiver: no level-matching, no equalisation whatsoever. My future tests will be done in a 4.1 setup, with Dolby II Pro music surround mixing and the Pioneer's automatically calibrated acoustic equalisation settings.

CGB21, since you already have the 250's and the sub, you may want to add the 360's to your setup. IMHO they would be worth the investment.
So based on your tests so far, if you had to choose only one pair from these - which one you will keep and why?

So based on your tests so far, if you had to choose only one pair from these - which one you will keep and why?

I think it depends on one's budget, room size and upgrade options. Assuming a budget of $500 to buy a new receiver and main speakers for a small to medium size room, I would get the Pioneer 516 or 816 and the Primus 250's. With a $700 budget for a slightly larger room I would get the Pioneer 816 or 1016 and the 360's. In either case I would upgrade to 360's as main and 250's as surround speakers as soon as possible (that's more or less what I ended up doing) !

My budget until now:

Primus 360's : $ 380
Primus 250's : $ 280
Sub (used) : $ 130
Pioneer 816 : $ 290
Cables : $ 60 (speaker cables and optical spdif cables)
Hi-Fi cabinet (used) : $ 100

Total : $ 1240. Approximately 2/3 of my budget spent on speakers. I wanted a 12" sub so I went with a used one, because a new one would have been too expensive. Imho a smaller sub is not worth adding to this system, since the 360's and even the 250's will go just as low in most cases, with reasonable efficiency.

The C25 will have to wait until 2007 I think...

I was trying to find out from 360s and 250s, if you could keep only one pair, which one will be it?

Just a hypothetical question, but trying to get your point of view. From your tests it seems like you had hard time in deciding which one you liked more.

Newbie here,

I have a few questions; thinking about ordering the Vanns's 7.1 package including 2- 250's, 4-150's, 1-C25 and the PS10 sub. Room is in a hard walled basement 14 x 22 with only a 7 foot ceiling

Is the C25 wall mountable? How do most place the surround and rear channels? Wall Mount? (seems like that wouldn't be desirable due to inability to "acurately point or direct the speakers), stands or some sort of shelf mount?

Should I consider upgrading to the PS12 sub, or for my room size, is the PS10 okay? I plan on buying the Onkyo 604 to run the system?

Thanks for any help

I was trying to find out from 360s and 250s, if you could keep only one pair, which one will be it?

Just a hypothetical question, but trying to get your point of view. From your tests it seems like you had hard time in deciding which one you liked more.

Tough question! What I have been doing since yesterday is listening to the 360's only. I'll do that for a few days, then switch to the 250's for a few days too.

Right now, in musical terms I would be just as happy to keep either pair - if I got to keep the subwoofer too. Without the sub I would prefer the 360's to the 250's, simply because they have (slightly) better bass.

I have a few questions; thinking about ordering the Vanns's 7.1 package including 2- 250's, 4-150's, 1-C25 and the PS10 sub. Room is in a hard walled basement 14 x 22 with only a 7 foot ceiling

That 7 x 14 x 22 is almost a 1 x 2 x 3 ratio, and with hard walls, you can expect some nasty resonances around 54Hz and particularly 80Hz. Check the whitepapers by Dr. Toole on Infinity's website - "Loudspeakers and Rooms - Working Together" is a nice one to get started.


Is the C25 wall mountable? How do most place the surround and rear channels? Wall Mount? (seems like that wouldn't be desirable due to inability to "acurately point or direct the speakers), stands or some sort of shelf mount?

AFAIK the C25 is not wall mountable. The 150's are of course wall mountable. You have an example of wall-mounting in this article (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_4/infinity-primus-speakers-10-2003.html).


Should I consider upgrading to the PS12 sub, or for my room size, is the PS10 okay? I plan on buying the Onkyo 604 to run the system?


The PS10 is okay for a room of that size, but imho the PS12 with its 300W amp is a better investment (you won't be tempted to upgrade so soon). AFAIK the Onkyo 604 is a fine 7.1 receiver and quite up to the task of driving the six Primus speakers. You will probably get many replies about the Onkyo in the receiver area of this forum from people who actually own one.

Thanks for the information, I'm ordering the PS12

First off, great info in this thread so far from all the contributors! After doing some of my own research and reading through this thread, I'm leaning towards getting the following for my 5.1 HT setup:

Primus 250 (2)
Primus 150 (2)
Primus C25
PS-12

I just purchased an Onkyo TX-SR603X and with these speakers, I'm hoping to get a great music and movie watching experience. I'm on the fence as to whether or not to go with the 360 towers vs. the 250 towers (I live in a small condo) but the $100 that I save I can always be put towards the iPod dock for the Onkyo ;)

So now, before I lay down the cash, anyone know the best place to buy these? I'm leaning towards vanns...

Thanks

Vanns is an excellent place..I got my 360's from there. Super fast shipping and double boxed for safety..

Vanns is an excellent place..I got my 360's from there. Super fast shipping and double boxed for safety..

Yes, they seem to have a very good reputation here and the fact that they are an authorized online retailer of Infinity is another plus.

Besides ebay though, am I going to be able to beat the price at vanns right now? Unfortunately, CC has sold out of their stock of Primus, atleast according to their website. I might stop by my local store to check just in case they have any left. If not, I think I'm going to make the call to vanns this weekend.

Thanks.

Besides ebay though, am I going to be able to beat the price at vanns right now? Unfortunately, CC has sold out of their stock of Primus, atleast according to their website. I might stop by my local store to check just in case they have any left. If not, I think I'm going to make the call to vanns this weekend.

Thanks.
You can check 2 other sites, if you are OK with refurbished or discontinued (I think now Primus is discontinued). The following is from Infinity web site:


In addition, select sites have been authorized to sell only refurbished and discontinued products. These are www.TheAudioVideoSource.com and www.HarmanAudio.com. Refurbished and discontinued products sold through these dealers carry the standard Infinity warranty included with the product.