View Full Version : New Seagate Drives Without 16Mb Cache That May Work In Replays
meehawl
09-12-06, 03:08 PM
Since most people seem to have trouble with newer PATA drives if they have a 16MB cache, I thought I'd compile a little list of newer Seagate drives with 2MB and 8MB cache. It is slightly possible that these might work with Replay units. Therefore, I suggest if someone does happen to try to upgrade with one of these models and is successful (or not!), they take note of their model number and post the results here.
DB35 7200.2 (http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_db35.pdf)
ST3500841ACE, 500GB, 8MB Cache OK (2006-10-14) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8667948&&#post8667948)
ST3400833ACE, 400GB, 8MB Cache
ST3300822ACE, 300GB, 8MB Cache OK (2006-10-14) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8657164&&#post8657164)
ST3250824ACE, 250GB, 8MB Cache
ST3200827ACE, 200GB, 8MB Cache
ST3160212ACE, 160GB, 2MB Cache
7200.10 (http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/100402369a.pdf)
ST3750840A, 750GB, 8MB Cache
ST3500830A, 500GB, 8MB Cache
ST3400820A, 400GB, 8MB Cache
ST3320820A, 320GB, 8MB Cache
ST3300820A, 300GB, 8MB Cache
ST3250820A, 250GB, 8MB Cache
ST3200820A, 200GB, 8MB Cache
7200.9 (http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/100389997c.pdf)
ST3500841A, 500GB, 8MB Cache Fail (http://planetreplay.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=59943#59943)
ST3400833A, 400GB, 8MB Cache
ST3300822A, 300GB, 8MB Cache
ST3250824A, 250GB, 8MB Cache
ST3200827A, 200GB, 8MB Cache
ST3160812A, 160GB, 8MB Cache
ST3160212A, 160GB, 2MB Cache
ST3120814A, 120GB, 8MB Cache
ST3120213A, 120GB, 2MB Cache
If your 2/8MB cache Seagate drive is not one of these listed models, then it is not a 7200.10 or 7200.9. It is probably a 7200.7 or 7200.8 - known to work fine in ReplayTVs.
sixt7gt350
09-13-06, 02:12 PM
Whoa. Dual 750GB drives. That would be a beast.
Could Replay's OS even handle that much space?
I guess that would be a record at high quality only box.
Would any of these drives be appropriate for old Showstopper boxes? My replacement 80gb Maxtor died over the weekend and I see no one makes 5400rpm drives any more except in laptop varieties that I doubt would fare well under the always-on environment of the ReplayTV.
Ideally I'd like something with 3 or 5yr warranty; 120gb would be optimal but 160gb would work (though I lose the last 23gb due to 137gb limi). And obviously it needs to be quiet and above all cool running -- the old units get HOT.
Since they are Seagates, I'll assume they are all 5yr warranty... Is there any difference between the units you've posted in terms of noise and heat, or "identical" except for Cache and Disk size?
I just picked up two ST3200827A with 200GB & 8MB Cache for less than eighty bucks a piece. I know there are better HD deals out there but what the heck... no rebate hastle. I've installed one already in one of my two 5040s and it worked great. GUI seems faster but that may be an illusion. The existing 40gig will be patched to work in a showstopper with dead drive disease.
I drooled over the 750 which is on sale at ChumpUSA for my DSM-G600 but allowed pre-buying remorse delay me to the point that when I arrived, they were sold out. Shucks!
Marc
Would any of these drives be appropriate for old Showstopper boxes? My replacement 80gb Maxtor died over the weekend and I see no one makes 5400rpm drives any more except in laptop varieties that I doubt would fare well under the always-on environment of the ReplayTV.
Ideally I'd like something with 3 or 5yr warranty; 120gb would be optimal but 160gb would work (though I lose the last 23gb due to 137gb limi). And obviously it needs to be quiet and above all cool running -- the old units get HOT.
Since they are Seagates, I'll assume they are all 5yr warranty... Is there any difference between the units you've posted in terms of noise and heat, or "identical" except for Cache and Disk size?
Although not used in a replay, I have a Segate 120 that is extremely quiet. I use it in my HTPC. It would be perfect for ReplayTV usage.
Marc
Although not used in a replay, I have a Segate 120 that is extremely quiet. I use it in my HTPC. It would be perfect for ReplayTV usage.
Don't suppose you have the model number available? Thanks Marc.
I just picked up two ST3200827A with 200GB & 8MB Cache for less than eighty bucks a piece. I know there are better HD deals out there but what the heck... no rebate hastle. I've installed one already in one of my two 5040s and it worked great. Can you do a 411-zones on the 5040 (with the new 7200.9 Barracuda) to confirm that drive model number? Too frequently what was listed on the retail kit was not inside. But this is potentially big news if the 8MB 7200.9 is working reliably in a 5K.
No stuttering, infrequent freezes, or unusual reboots (during normal activities) on this unit? How long has it been running with the new drive?
Don't suppose you have the model number available? Thanks Marc.
I will tonight when returning home. You bet.
Can you do a 411-zones on the 5040 (with the new 7200.9 Barracuda) to confirm that drive model number? Too frequently what was listed on the retail kit was not inside. But this is potentially big news if the 8MB 7200.9 is working reliably in a 5K.
No stuttering, infrequent freezes, or unusual reboots (during normal activities) on this unit? How long has it been running with the new drive?
I see I have my homework cut out for me tonight.
No problem. Expect a response approximately at 6pm central.
Marc
Can you do a 411-zones on the 5040 (with the new 7200.9 Barracuda) to confirm that drive model number? Too frequently what was listed on the retail kit was not inside. But this is potentially big news if the 8MB 7200.9 is working reliably in a 5K.
No stuttering, infrequent freezes, or unusual reboots (during normal activities) on this unit? How long has it been running with the new drive?
Sorry, it's the 26A not 27A.
It's a 700.8 Sorry for the confusion and the false hopes.
It works fine however.
Don't suppose you have the model number available? Thanks Marc.
It's Model ST3120026A Series 7200.7
It also has an 8 meg cache
Can anyone tell me in one or two sentences what the differences are between 7200.7 and 7200.8 or 7200.9? (I looked at the spec sheets and nothing really jumped out at me other... Just figure someone might know off the top of their head.)
It looks like I can get a 7200.7 160gb from BB for $50 with no rebates plus tax or 7200.9 160gb from Newegg for $56 plus $5 shipping.
I'll gladly pay the $6 extra to buy from Newegg if I know the drive is "better". I know the 7200.10 drives use perpendicular recording -- does this offer any specific advantage to DVR use?
Can anyone tell me in one or two sentences what the differences are between 7200.7 and 7200.8 or 7200.9? (I looked at the spec sheets and nothing really jumped out at me other... Just figure someone might know off the top of their head.)
I think the problem arises from compatibility from the embedded hard drive controller on the drive. It's either a controller bios or firmware glitch creating a backward compatibility with replaytv's older tech. Some people have noted problems with 16mb cache Seagate drives in the past with their replaytv's. I was lucky with my purchase of the 200 gig units as they appear to be working with no apparent problems.
Marc
meehawl
09-25-06, 08:52 AM
7200.10 (http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/100402369a.pdf) 16ST3400820A, 400GB, 8MB Cache[/b]
jasper2 reports (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8502867&&#post8502867) that a 16ST3400620A, 7200.10, 400GB, 16MB Cache, is incompatible with RTV 5040 and hangs during recording.
The ST3400820A is the 8MB Cache version of this 7200.10 drive and its Replay compatibility remains unknown.
Anyone tried the ST3250623A-RK 250GB PATA at Outpost.com for $69.99 shipped?
SEAGATE 3.5" PATA HARD DRIVE:
Outpost #: 4596257
7200 RPM
16 MB Buffer
Retail kit hard drive
5 Year Manufacture Warranty
Regular Price: $129.99
I'm tempted but really don't need it unless it works in a Replay... but kinda feel like ordering one just to find out. ;)
update: Found a post from Feb 20 that reports this drive works in his 5040... So I'll probably pick one up.
meehawl
10-01-06, 01:32 PM
Anyone tried the ST3250623A-RK 250GB PATA at Outpost.com for $69.99 shipped?
16 MB Buffer
update: Found a post from Feb 20 that reports this drive works in his 5040... So I'll probably pick one up.
This package probably won't work. Seagate changes the internal contents of the retail kit to be whatever model number is most currently available. Therefore you will probably get a 7200.10 or 7200.9. The 16MB cache makes it pretty likely that it will not work.
I actually ordered a retail kit from Outpost that said 7200.8 on the outside of the box according to the serial number and part number. The drive packaged inside was a 7200.9 with a completely different serial number and part number. It spectacularly failed in an RTV5040.
The reason this retail package worked back in February 2006 was that back then Seagate was still clearing out stocks of 7200.8 in the channel. 7200.8s are known to work in Replays.
But hey, if it works, please note the model number on the drive and post it here!
This package probably won't work. Seagate changes the internal contents of the retail kit to be whatever model number is most currently available. Therefore you will probably get a 7200.10 or 7200.9. The 16MB cache makes it pretty likely that it will not work...I agree the probability of this retail kit actually containing a 7200.8 is iffy at best. But perhaps cache size is not the issue since we've had reports of 16MB 7200.8 Seagates working reliably in 5xxx replays.
In fact we now have an initial (http://www.planetreplay.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=59667#59667) report of a 16MB 7200.10 working (http://www.planetreplay.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=59677#59677). Once (if) this is confirmed perhaps we can breathe a sigh of relief if 7200.9 proves to be the only Barracuda to avoid in 5xxx.
pinkfloyd
10-02-06, 04:30 PM
Dear meehawl ,
I am not able to get a Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3400632A 400GB 7200 RPM 16MB Ultra to work in my 5040 despite a recommendation that it would. I do not see this HD on your list.
The 5040 just keeps rebooting and it is not a grounding problem as stated in some forums.
What do you know about this Seagate?
rm -rf *.*
10-02-06, 06:39 PM
Reports of random reboots with 16mb drives are not uncommon, in fact, they are quite frequent. Get an 8mb cache drive for your RTV and use the 16mb cache drive for a DVArchive server.
Amazingly Smooth
10-02-06, 09:33 PM
Reports of random reboots with 16mb drives are not uncommon, in fact, they are quite frequent. Get an 8mb cache drive for your RTV and use the 16mb cache drive for a DVArchive server.
Of course, there are long-term implications with this. If the companies stop producing compatible drives, we will be stuck once our current drives expire.
meehawl
10-03-06, 10:06 AM
I am not able to get a Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3400632A 400GB 7200 RPM 16MB Ultra to work in my 5040 despite a recommendation that it would. I do not see this HD on your list.
It's not on the list because it's a 16MB cache 7200.9. To date, all reports of attempts to make 16MB cache 7200.9s work with Replays have been unsuccessful.
There is a single report that a 16MB 7200.10 model worked. More verification is required to be confident recommending this drive or similar 16MB 7200.10 models.
As noted in the list, Seagate is now selling to the public a line of "consumer edition" 8MB cache drives "designed for DVRs". They may work. Nobody's reported success or failure yet.
Seagate also now manufactures the Maxtor drives as their "low end" channel option. These may feature reduced cache and simplified pre-fetching algorithms more suited to Replays.
Amazingly Smooth
10-10-06, 05:27 PM
What about drives from WD or Maxtor? Also, once a list is complete it should be made a sticky.
Cheers
rm -rf *.*
10-10-06, 06:01 PM
I don't think I've ever seen any reports of the current WD's not working in RTV's. Does WD even make a 16MB cache drive yet?
Has anyone verified whether or not the ST3500841A works?
hdonzis
10-13-06, 04:07 PM
Actually, I used a WD 250GB WD2500JB in two different Replays and had the both lock up randomly when recording (and nothing else going on). They both worked great with the hard drive when I tried streaming, downloading, recording, and playing all at the same time. But, each one would lock up randomly out of the blue for no reason when they were only recording. I believe I've read posts of others using this WD model with no problem. And, if I had only had the problem with one Replay, I would have thought it was just one of those things. And, by the way, the two Replays are the two different version mother boards and they both exhibited the exact same problem with this drive. It still could be something with that hard drive itself and maybe not with the model...
Henry
Ed_Gein
10-13-06, 05:03 PM
Actually, I used a WD 250GB WD2500JB in two different Replays and had the both lock up randomly when recording...
Henry
FWIW, I installed a WD WD3200JBRTL about a month ago into my 5080 and have had zero problems (knock, knock)
rm -rf *.*
10-13-06, 05:19 PM
I've heard numerous reports of the WD320's working just fine in 5k's (and 4k's too, IIRC).
What's intereresting to note here is that Mikeyboy sells 160GB, 200GB and a 320GB drives - All of which are WD's.
This of course assumes the photos on his website (www.replaytvparts.com) are accurate - and they usually are (every time in the past that I can recall when Mike changed brands of drive, he updated the photos).
Anyone who has done businuess with Mike or been around here long enough to know those who have and has read his posts know that he won't sell anything that hasn't been verified to work 100% of the time via his own extensive testing.
I don't mean to call Mike out on this, as if I had to guess, the lack of a 250GB drive on his site is probably due to lack of demand for that size.
Just a random thought. I'll go back to re-organizing my humidors now...
Doubt if they will run in Replays, but Outpost.com has a great price on Seagate 400gb PATA (16MB cache) right now... $94.99 and free shipping! I bought 2 for use with DVArchive.
Segate 400GB Hardrive, PATA ST3400632A-RK for only $94.99 with Free shipping.
Limit 4.
link (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4596287)
rm -rf *.*
10-13-06, 05:36 PM
Ok - since people still can't seem to get it straight, I'll attempt to reduce the complexity of the 16MB cache issue by running it through the babblefish.com language translator while set to "translate english to hillbilly"
16MB cache drives:
in DVArchive server: 'dem wourk good in'der.
in ReplayTV's: 'dem eat, suck an' blow - all at der same time.
dfpavsfun
10-14-06, 05:29 PM
Seagate DB35 7200.2 drives working fine (so far!):
ST3300822ACE 300GB 8MB Cache in ReplayTV 5040
ST3500841ACE 500GB 8MB Cache in ReplayTV 5040
Also, no surprise here, but don't bother trying the Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3750640A 750GB (I know . . . I know . . . . it has a 16 MB Cache!).
(It does work just fine with DVArchive in one of my "desktop" boxes! . . . duh!)
11-12-06 UPDATE: Both units still working flawlessly. It appears that these Seagate DB35's are winners. I'll report back if any problems develop. :)
meehawl
10-29-06, 03:14 PM
Seagate DB35 7200.2 drives working fine (so far!):
ST3300822ACE 300GB 8MB Cache in ReplayTV 5040
ST3500841ACE 500GB 8MB Cache in ReplayTV 5040
It's probably worth noting that dfpavsun recently confirmed that his Seagate 7200.2 upgrades are still working fine in his RTVs three weeks after installation.
RFontenot
10-29-06, 11:55 PM
I installed a ST3200822A this weekend in my 5040. No problems so far. Got it at CompUSA for $49, after rebate.
Specifications:
Seagate ST3200822A
200GB 8MB Cache
7200 RPM
Ultra ATA/100
RF
hdonzis
10-30-06, 11:49 AM
I'm using the ST3200822A in a 5080. I noticed that it makes a lot of recalibration like ticking noises when it is sitting idle. I have had several show that haven't recorded fully and haven't been able to determine why. The guide says that the are less than 1 hour long. Also, sometimes when a show ends, instead of getting the end of show menu, it goes into a hard loop. I can pause and single step to the end, but if I press play it goes back into the hard loop.
Henry
I am upgrading 3 ReplayTV’s. I was wondering if anyone might have any specific drive recommendations for both 250GB and 300GB drives? (Brands and Model Numbers)
I have been looking at the following:
I feel the most important things for the new drives are:
ReplayTV Compatibility - Reliability - Quietness and Low Heat
Can anyone give positive or negative feedback on these?
Seagate:
250 GB – ST3250823 - 7200, 8MB
300GB - ST3300831A – 7200, 8MB
Maxtor:
250 GB – 4A250JO - 7200, 8MB
300GB – L01R300 - 7200, 8MB
Western Digital:
250 GB - WD2500JB - 7200, 8MB
300GB - WD3000JB - 7200, 8MB
Any suggestions, on these drives, or others would be greatly appreciated?
Thanks in Advance
Mikeyboy
11-04-06, 11:51 AM
I am upgrading 3 ReplayTV’s. I was wondering if anyone might have any specific drive recommendations for both 250GB and 300GB drives? (Brands and Model Numbers)
I have been looking at the following:
I feel the most important things for the new drives are:
ReplayTV Compatibility - Reliability - Quietness and Low Heat
Can anyone give positive or negative feedback on these?
Seagate:
250 GB – ST3250823 - 7200, 8MB
300GB - ST3300831A – 7200, 8MB
Maxtor:
250 GB – 4A250JO - 7200, 8MB
300GB – L01R300 - 7200, 8MB
Western Digital:
250 GB - WD2500JB - 7200, 8MB
300GB - WD3000JB - 7200, 8MB
Any suggestions, on these drives, or others would be greatly appreciated?
Thanks in AdvanceI would go with either WD mentioned.
hdonzis
11-04-06, 12:33 PM
I would go with either WD mentioned.
I used a WD2500JB from Best Buy in my 5040 with the newer motherboard back in March, and it seemed like it was working just fine except that it would hang out of the blue when it was just recording. I tried exercising the hell out of it by simultaneously recording, watching a show, and watching a show remotely with no problem. And, it would run fine for days and then suddenly be hung with the recording LED on. When I would reboot it, it had recorded whatever show for some number of minutes before it hung.
I shelved the drive and then tried it again in my 5080 with the older motherboard back in June. The exact same thing happened that it would hang out of the blue with the recording LED on.
I know that many people have reported great success with the WD2500JB and that you prefer using them. So, I would be interested in your expert opinion of my experiences...
Henry
Mikeyboy
11-04-06, 01:13 PM
I used a WD2500JB from Best Buy in my 5040 with the newer motherboard back in March, and it seemed like it was working just fine except that it would hang out of the blue when it was just recording. I tried exercising the hell out of it by simultaneously recording, watching a show, and watching a show remotely with no problem. And, it would run fine for days and then suddenly be hung with the recording LED on. When I would reboot it, it had recorded whatever show for some number of minutes before it hung.
I shelved the drive and then tried it again in my 5080 with the older motherboard back in June. The exact same thing happened that it would hang out of the blue with the recording LED on.
I know that many people have reported great success with the WD2500JB and that you prefer using them. So, I would be interested in your expert opinion of my experiences...
HenrySorry, I don't know what to make of it. Might be some sort of software corruption, or perhaps the drive is defective.
hdonzis
11-04-06, 01:20 PM
Sorry, I don't know what to make of it. Might be some sort of software corruption, or perhaps the drive is defective.
I reminage the drive each time before I installed it in each Replay. And, I had no problem with the Seagate drives I used instead in each of the two units. I guess if I ever put it in a PC I'll see if it works fine or not...
Henry
Mikeyboy
11-04-06, 09:00 PM
For what it's worth. Today I upgraded a 500 gig 7200.10 Seagate st3500630a for use in Replaytv 5000/5500 recorders. I ran into two problems. First the DC power connector which powers the drive made intermittent contact wih the pins, resulting in occasional disk spin down. Crimping the female pins down resolved that issue. The connector became an issue due to the extremely high current draw with this model drive. The same connector works fine with my other Maxtor or WD drives. Secondly, irregardless of which 5000/5500 I booted the Seagate from (tried two 5000 and one 5500 recorder). The results were identical. The recorder would boot, but would either reboot within minutes, or get caught in a audio loop within ten minutes of operation. It is my belief, this drive isn't compatible with the Replaytv 5000 or 55000 recorder. Also I'm fairly certain it isn't an electrical wiring problem, as the power supply maintained normal voltage output levels at all times.
RFontenot
11-04-06, 11:17 PM
I installed a ST3200822A this weekend in my 5040. No problems so far. Got it at CompUSA for $49, after rebate.
Specifications:
Seagate ST3200822A
200GB 8MB Cache
7200 RPM
Ultra ATA/100
It's been a full week since I installed the above drive and I've had no problems whatsoever.
RF
I installed a ST3300831A on Oct 21st in my 5160.
Specifications:
Seagate ST3300831A
300GB 8MB Cache
7200 RPM
Ultra ATA/100
Also in a 5040 I installed a dual drive set up using 2 Western Digital WD2500JB's on Nov. 4th
Specifications:
2 Western Digital WD2500JB's
250GB 8MB Cache
7200 RPM
Ultra ATA/100
Newegg has a pretty good deal on WD 7200.8 Drives Western Digital Click Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144309)
No problems so far. However I found the Seagate to be noiser and had to reopen the Replay and add some soft rubber mounts on the Drive in order to eliminate what seemed like a vibration humming sound.
mgraben
11-06-06, 11:33 AM
I've been running the same model (Seagate 7200.7 200GB - Model: ST3200822A - SN: 3LJ04M**) for 2-1/2 years in my 5040 without any problems. Knock on wood.
They're still available (160 & 200GB) on Pricewatch.com and in some store's bargain bins.
Mike
KwadGuy
11-14-06, 01:45 AM
So can someone explain, in technical terms, why a 16mb cache drive would not work? I would expect that the only thing of importance is that the drive adhere to the specs of the IDE data interface...What the drive does internally (e.g. the size of the drive's cache) shouldn't matter as long as the drive adheres to those specs.
Obviously, if the 16mb drives don't work, then either my simplistic thinking is wrong, or the spec is not complete, or the Seagate 16mb drives don't fully adhere to the spec.
Kwad
Mikeyboy
11-14-06, 09:20 AM
So can someone explain, in technical terms, why a 16mb cache drive would not work? I would expect that the only thing of importance is that the drive adhere to the specs of the IDE data interface...What the drive does internally (e.g. the size of the drive's cache) shouldn't matter as long as the drive adheres to those specs.
Obviously, if the 16mb drives don't work, then either my simplistic thinking is wrong, or the spec is not complete, or the Seagate 16mb drives don't fully adhere to the spec.
KwadI don't think we know the answer. All replaytv models were equipped, engineered around, and debugged with a certain generation Maxtor IDE hard drive. Likely no effort was spent testing "other" disk manufacturer drives, as this is a proprietary system.
With every Replaytv model, we've run into problems with one or more disk manufacturers model or firmware version, it's nothing new. The bottom line is more and more of the latest generation drives are leaving the 5000/5500 behind. I speculate it's the latest drive firmware programming that is buggy with the Replaytv hardware and operating system, as it probably isn't included in any of their trials.
hdonzis
11-14-06, 10:31 AM
I suspect it has to do with read and/or write latency. Sonic Blue was last using Maxtor QuickView drives which are optimized for video streaming with minimum latency. Computer hard drives are optimized for random access between multiple locations and also anticipate long idle times. While the larger caches make the drive faster when reading sequentially, it also increase the latency from random accesses. And, the drive recalibrations during idle times also significantly increase the latency when commanded to read or write.
Years ago video server drives came out with the drive recalibration removed. That was pretty much a requirement for the video server systems that they were using in hotels and such at the time. I think that modern drive firmware is improving more and more for the hard drive to operate better in a multiuser/server environment versus a sequential access/streaming environment.
The fact that the newer Seagate 7200.9 and 7200.10 drives are causing problems whereas the very latest DB35 7200.2 drives are not seems to indicate that latency probably plays a major part in the problem. I would suspect that the OS IO buffering was optimized around the drives that Sonic Blue was using and that with certain drives the buffer overflows and causes problems. It seems fairly unlikely that it has to do with the ATA/IDE interface. Although, if a drive model fails to boot, then it would likely have to be something else in the timing or interface...
Henry
So can someone explain, in technical terms, why a 16mb cache drive would not work? I would expect that the only thing of importance is that the drive adhere to the specs of the IDE data interface...What the drive does internally (e.g. the size of the drive's cache) shouldn't matter as long as the drive adheres to those specs.
Obviously, if the 16mb drives don't work, then either my simplistic thinking is wrong, or the spec is not complete, or the Seagate 16mb drives don't fully adhere to the spec.
Kwad
Do not have a technical answer but from all the posts I have read, I suspect that the 16MB Drives actually hinder the ReplayTV because media stream caching works better at 8MB and even better at 2MB.
Here are a list of drives I have had success with:
GB Brand Model Drive Line Cache/RPM
250 Maxtor 5A250J0 MaxLine II 2MB/5400
300 Seagate ST3300831A 7200.8 8MB/7200
250 West Dig WD2500JB Cavier 8MB/7200
250 West Dig WD2500JB Cavier 8MB/7200
80 Maxtor 4R080JO Diam 16 2MB/5400
160 Maxtor 4A160JO Diam 16 2MB/5400
250 Maxtor 5A250J0 MaxLine II 2MB/5400
Hope this might help?
hdonzis
11-15-06, 05:05 PM
I thought that this (http://www.wkblog.com/2006/10/migration_to_seagate_db35_driv.html) was a pretty interesting article...
And, if you link to here (http://www.weaknees.com/seagate-db35-hard-drives.php), there is some explanation of the benefit. With a bit more info here (http://www.weaknees.com/pdf/db35_wp.pdf)...
I've been using my ST3250823ACE drive for a week now without any problems...
Henry
The fact that the newer Seagate 7200.9 and 7200.10 drives are causing problems whereas the very latest DB35 7200.2 drives are not seems to indicate that latency probably plays a major part in the problem. I would suspect that the OS IO buffering was optimized around the drives that Sonic Blue was using and that with certain drives the buffer overflows and causes problems. It seems fairly unlikely that it has to do with the ATA/IDE interface. Although, if a drive model fails to boot, then it would likely have to be something else in the timing or interface...
Henry
Just thought I would mention that over on the SciAtl 8300 w/SATA thread, we are seeing similar problems with one of the 8300 OSs (Sara) and the Seagate 7200.10 (and maybe 7200.9, but not 7200.8). As you can guess by the thread title, the SciAtl 8300 DVR uses SATA rather than IDE.
xnappo
Has anyone tried the SV35 series drives in their 5k units, or are the DB35 a better drive for use in Replays? The original drive in my 5040 is finally starting to fail. :(
And assuming the DB35 is the better choice, anyone bought recently and know of a good deal on one?
Inextirpable
01-28-07, 12:05 AM
And assuming the DB35 is the better choice, anyone bought recently and know of a good deal on one?
Newegg has the DB35 Series 7200.2 ST3500841ACE in stock for $229.99. I like mine - it's been flawless so far and is very quiet. :)
jasper2
05-05-07, 02:01 AM
For what it's worth. Today I upgraded a 500 gig 7200.10 Seagate st3500630a for use in Replaytv 5000/5500 recorders. I ran into two problems. First the DC power connector which powers the drive made intermittent contact wih the pins, resulting in occasional disk spin down. Crimping the female pins down resolved that issue. The connector became an issue due to the extremely high current draw with this model drive. The same connector works fine with my other Maxtor or WD drives. Secondly, irregardless of which 5000/5500 I booted the Seagate from (tried two 5000 and one 5500 recorder). The results were identical. The recorder would boot, but would either reboot within minutes, or get caught in a audio loop within ten minutes of operation. It is my belief, this drive isn't compatible with the Replaytv 5000 or 55000 recorder. Also I'm fairly certain it isn't an electrical wiring problem, as the power supply maintained normal voltage output levels at all times.
Are you sure about the power draw being the problem? I could be off base here but the specs I read don't show this drive as beign that much more of a current draw than a 200GB st3200822A of which many people have as a dual drive configuration in their replays. Anyone else have any luck with this drive in a 5000 series replay yet?
I am using a Seagate 300GB drive with a 16MB buffer and so far, the only complaint is that the drive sporadically goes into a constant clicking mode, usually when the Replay unit is otherwise idle. As soon as I turn it "on" or hit Pause, the clicking stops. I have occasionally noticed the clicking while the drive is recording, but "off" (not outputting video).
I've had the drive in for 12 days. The first few days, I filled the drive (mostly with Documentaries from Zones) so I could verify it.
Come to think of it, I did not notice the drive clicking today. I have read of some drives constantly doing write verification when first installed, but that it stops after a while.
ReplayTV 5040 upgraded with extra fan and thermal sensor
Seagate ST3300631A - RK
300GB
7200RPM
16MB Cache
ATA100
adone36
06-03-07, 04:04 PM
The complaints with the drives is not that they "don't work", it's that every few weeks everything gets scrambled and you loose everything. Your report is not encouraging.
He gets high credit for describing the experience opposed to framing a conclusion.
jgilbert1
02-18-08, 05:41 AM
For what it's worth. Today I upgraded a 500 gig 7200.10 Seagate st3500630a for use in Replaytv 5000/5500 recorders. I ran into two problems. First the DC power connector which powers the drive made intermittent contact wih the pins, resulting in occasional disk spin down. Crimping the female pins down resolved that issue. The connector became an issue due to the extremely high current draw with this model drive. The same connector works fine with my other Maxtor or WD drives. Secondly, irregardless of which 5000/5500 I booted the Seagate from (tried two 5000 and one 5500 recorder). The results were identical. The recorder would boot, but would either reboot within minutes, or get caught in a audio loop within ten minutes of operation. It is my belief, this drive isn't compatible with the Replaytv 5000 or 55000 recorder. Also I'm fairly certain it isn't an electrical wiring problem, as the power supply maintained normal voltage output levels at all times.
I just purchased a 500GB Segate ST3500630A series 7200.10 drive for my ReplayTV 5000 series DVR. I have had the same experience of crashes reported by Mikey (but not the power problem). The 500 GB HDD replaced a 160 GB Maxtor (sorry, I don't have the model # because it's back in the box). The machine would boot successfully and then crash after about 10 minutes. Thereafter it would either go into an audio loop or the video would go blank and the machine would become unresponsive. In either case it would require a hard reboot (power cycle). I have two machines and the behavior was duplicated in both machines.
Previous posts report success with smaller drives. Whether latency is the issure or not, this model drive obviously has problems with the ReplayTV 5000 series. Does anyone have a suggestion for a 500 GB drive? Alternatively, any idea where I can get a 7200.8 or earlier new drive or should I go back to Maxtor?
John
hdonzis
02-18-08, 11:05 AM
I just purchased a 500GB Segate ST3500630A series 7200.10 drive for my ReplayTV 5000 series DVR. I have had the same experience of crashes reported by Mikey (but not the power problem). The 500 GB HDD replaced a 160 GB Maxtor (sorry, I don't have the model # because it's back in the box). The machine would boot successfully and then crash after about 10 minutes. Thereafter it would either go into an audio loop or the video would go blank and the machine would become unresponsive. In either case it would require a hard reboot (power cycle). I have two machines and the behavior was duplicated in both machines.
Previous posts report success with smaller drives. Whether latency is the issure or not, this model drive obviously has problems with the ReplayTV 5000 series. Does anyone have a suggestion for a 500 GB drive? Alternatively, any idea where I can get a 7200.8 or earlier new drive or should I go back to Maxtor?
John
The Seagate 7200.10 drives are known not to work in any capacity. I think the most successful drive currently is the Seagate DB.35 line of drives. The last model line anyone successfully tested was the 7200.3 model line. I'm not sure if that's what's currently available or not. Be sure and get the ACE model, which is the ATA/PATA model...
Henry
neumannu47
02-20-08, 09:18 PM
Thanks for posting this information. I did a search on Amazon.com for "Seagate DB35" and ordered one of the 500GB drives that showed up in the search results. Unfortunately, the drive is not a DB35. So, I'm going to shop around some more until I find a good buy on one. Hopefully they will not be discontinued in the mean time. The ST3500630A drive that I ordered incorrectly will work fine in my computer, so I'll probably just keep it.
hdonzis
02-20-08, 09:51 PM
Thanks for posting this information. I did a search on Amazon.com for "Seagate DB35" and ordered one of the 500GB drives that showed up in the search results. Unfortunately, the drive is not a DB35. So, I'm going to shop around some more until I find a good buy on one. Hopefully they will not be discontinued in the mean time. The ST3500630A drive that I ordered incorrectly will work fine in my computer, so I'll probably just keep it.
Yeah, saw your post on Poopli. That's sad. You have to be sure that it's a DB35 drive. The 7200.10 probably won't work in the Replay, but it should certainly be good for a computer drive...
Henry
jgilbert1
02-20-08, 09:56 PM
Thanks for posting this information. I did a search on Amazon.com for "Seagate DB35" and ordered one of the 500GB drives that showed up in the search results. Unfortunately, the drive is not a DB35. So, I'm going to shop around some more until I find a good buy on one. Hopefully they will not be discontinued in the mean time. The ST3500630A drive that I ordered incorrectly will work fine in my computer, so I'll probably just keep it.
I seriously considered keeping the Segate ST3500630 too for use as an external firewire backup drive since I paid about $165 for it (Other World Computing charges about $160 for one) but decided I didn't really need the drive at the moment. I have a 320GB Segate DB25 on order from replaytv.us. Their prices are a little high (~$230 for a DB35 and 250 for an SV25 500GB plus shipping plus 5%) and they charge for everything including the 5% credit card fee (annoying) but I've ordered from them in the past and they seem to have their acts together and provide tech support.
However, I have a few questions about RTVPatch.
1) Does the System partition know anything about the mpeg partition? Specifically, if I have a functioning 160GB drive and want to repair a corrupted 40 GB drive, can I use RTVPatch to mirror the system partition (and then patch it) successfully. RTVPatch knows that the drives are different sizes but only provides a warning.
2) Similarly, if I have say 5 hrs recorded on the 160 GB drive, can I successfully mirror the the mpeg partition from 160 to 40 GB as well even though the overall partitions are different. I know you can go small to large because I did it.
3) If I have two functioning drives (e.g. a 160 and a 320) and I mirror the mpeg partition ONLY from 160 to 320, do I need to patch afterward. (I think this wipes out the recordings).
I work on a Mac G5 but it appears that there is a version of RTVPatch that works on the mac os. So far, I've found it more convenient to run the floppy version of RTVPatch on a friends PC rather than trying it on the Mac. Also, I think I'll have to use my obsoleted G4 since the G5 has a SATA bus and the G4 is ATA. Has anyone successfully used a G4 to run RTVPatch? I've read some posts that reported difficulties. Since Macs haven't had floppy drives in years, I'd have to use one drive on the internal bus and the other on a firewire bus I assume.
And finally, I'm having difficulty networking two 5000 series boxes. They're connected to my router through a 4 port switch. Each has a unique IP address and they can see each other. I've opened unique ports on the router 29000 and 29010, I think, for each ReplayTV. (They apparently can't use the same port). When I try to transfer an mpeg file, it arrives at the receiving machine but won't actually transfer. After trying to 'receive' it, the file stalls at 0% transferred. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong.
My apologies for the lengthly post.
John
hdonzis
02-21-08, 02:06 AM
However, I have a few questions about RTVPatch.
1) Does the System partition know anything about the mpeg partition? Specifically, if I have a functioning 160GB drive and want to repair a corrupted 40 GB drive, can I use RTVPatch to mirror the system partition (and then patch it) successfully. RTVPatch knows that the drives are different sizes but only provides a warning.
Yes, the system partition keeps all the show information about the mpeg partition. So, mirroring a system partition from one drive to another drive with shows on it will not have the other drive's show information, so none of the shows will show up in the Replay Guide and they will simply get overwritten...
2) Similarly, if I have say 5 hrs recorded on the 160 GB drive, can I successfully mirror the the mpeg partition from 160 to 40 GB as well even though the overall partitions are different. I know you can go small to large because I did it.
You can mirror BOTH the system and mpeg partition from one drive to another and keep the show information. But, if you don't mirror the system partition and only mirror the the mpeg partition, then you won't see the shows on the mpeg partition...
3) If I have two functioning drives (e.g. a 160 and a 320) and I mirror the mpeg partition ONLY from 160 to 320, do I need to patch afterward. (I think this wipes out the recordings).
Patching corrects the partition tables for the partition sizes. There isn't any reason to ever skip patching. I can't hurt anything and the only time it wouldn't be necessary would be if you mirrored identical model hard drives...
And finally, I'm having difficulty networking two 5000 series boxes. They're connected to my router through a 4 port switch. Each has a unique IP address and they can see each other. I've opened unique ports on the router 29000 and 29010, I think, for each ReplayTV. (They apparently can't use the same port). When I try to transfer an mpeg file, it arrives at the receiving machine but won't actually transfer. After trying to 'receive' it, the file stalls at 0% transferred. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong.
IVS doesn't handle using the local LAN very well. IVS is only for transfers over the Internet. So, when you send a show from one Replay to the other on your Local Area Network, the sending Replay tries to contact the receiving Replay over the internet instead of over the LAN. The only way this is possible is if the router supports loopback. If your router doesn't support loopback, then you can't send shows to another Replay on your LAN (although, in that case you shouldn't be able to send the show the show shouldn't show up on the receiving Replay to accept).
So, you probably have two things to look at. Number 1, it is normal for the receiving Replay to sit at 0% for a very long time. So, the question is if it never moves from 0%. If it simply takes a long time and then the percentage increases constantly, then that is normal.
Number 2, if you had port forwarding set correctly for the receiving Replay but not for the sending Replay, then that would probably cause the receiving Replay to sit at 0% and eventually give a network error. In that case you should try using the IVS Tester for both your Replays to make sure that everything is configured properly...
Henry
jgilbert1
02-22-08, 06:08 PM
Henry,
Thanks VERY much for the info. That helps. I suspect that I haven't set up the router correctly. The receiving machine eventually times out with a message indicating a problem with the transfer. I'll RTFM the router manual again (it's a Linksys). But it's curious that the receiving machine gets enough information to indicate that I should 'Receive' the show but then doesn't do the transfer. This implys that the connection works at some level but not enough to transfer the mpeg data. Weird.
John
hdonzis
02-22-08, 06:16 PM
Henry,
Thanks VERY much for the info. That helps. I suspect that I haven't set up the router correctly. The receiving machine eventually times out with a message indicating a problem with the transfer. I'll RTFM the router manual again (it's a Linksys). But it's curious that the receiving machine gets enough information to indicate that I should 'Receive' the show but then doesn't do the transfer. This implys that the connection works at some level but not enough to transfer the mpeg data. Weird.
John
Well, that's what I said would happen if you setup the port forward correctly for the receiving Replay but not for the sending Replay. The sending Replay contacts the receiving Replay for the invitation to show up in the receiving Replay, which you see, so that port forward is working. But, then the receiving Replay contacts the sending Replay to download the show. And, since that is where you are getting an error, then you probably don't have port forwarding working correctly on your sending Replay. You should run IVS Test with the ISN of your sending Replay to confirm that it is configured correctly...
Henry
hdonzis
02-24-08, 01:31 AM
Henry,
Thanks VERY much for the info. That helps. I suspect that I haven't set up the router correctly. The receiving machine eventually times out with a message indicating a problem with the transfer. I'll RTFM the router manual again (it's a Linksys). But it's curious that the receiving machine gets enough information to indicate that I should 'Receive' the show but then doesn't do the transfer. This implys that the connection works at some level but not enough to transfer the mpeg data. Weird.
John
I was thinking about your comment about that you can't use the same port number for both Replays, and was thinking that when you changed whichever Replay from 29000 to 29010 that maybe you overlooked changing everything. You would have added a port forward in your router for port 29010 to the IP address of the Replay that you wanted to use port 29010, AND you would have to edit the IVS setting in that Replay as well to change it from 29000 to 29010. Anyway, using the IVS Test should easily show you if the Replays are configured correctly for the right port numbers and let you know if you router is configured properly to forward the port data...
Henry
MeBePlaying
02-24-08, 05:46 AM
Henry,
Thanks VERY much for the info. That helps. I suspect that I haven't set up the router correctly. The receiving machine eventually times out with a message indicating a problem with the transfer. I'll RTFM the router manual again (it's a Linksys). But it's curious that the receiving machine gets enough information to indicate that I should 'Receive' the show but then doesn't do the transfer. This implys that the connection works at some level but not enough to transfer the mpeg data. Weird.
John
Henry is spot on regarding checking to make sure you have two port forwarding entries in the router, pointing to the two replay's and check the ports configured on the replays.
Regarding the loopback of LAN traffic to your public IP on the WAN interface and back in using the static port forwarding: Linksys (at least on the WRT54G) decided to call the checkbox that TURNS THIS OFF as "Filter Internet NAT Redirection"
So, un-check this box to allow the loopback of packets destined for your public WAN IP with a source address from a host on your LAN.
It could be worse, check out the config for NAT Overloading in the Cisco IOS.
jgilbert1
03-05-08, 10:12 PM
Thanks, I'll try this. I thought I verified that the ReplayTV ports were set properly but it's possible that I didn't. I know I didn't turn off "Filter Internet NAT Redirection" on the router settings.
However, I have a new problem. After the debacle with the wrong Segate drive, I purchased a 320 GB DB25 (Segate) from replaytv.us. The drive arrived yesterday and I tried to copy the recorded programs from my old 160 GB Maxtor to the new 320 GB Segate drive with the following results:
Using RTVPatch on a PC (the floppy version). On my first attempt I did the following:
1. mirror the system partition
2. mirror the recordings partition (took about 90 min)
3. patch the drive
Result: The system apparently copied correctly but only the Program info copied (when to record what) but NO recorded programs. The ReplayTV reports about 160 minutes available at medium quality implying that IF the recorded programs were copied, they cannot be seen by the new drive.
I tried copying again, this time only mirroring the recordings and then patching the drive. Same result.
Does anyone understand what I'm doing wrong? I would REALLY like the old recordings on the new drive. What gives?
Thanks,
John
hdonzis
03-06-08, 01:38 AM
If you copy BOTH the system partition AND the MPEG partition, then your shows should show up. When you patch the drive, it asks you about preserving the shows and you need to answer this question the correct way. So, maybe you are answering this question the wrong way...
Henry
jgilbert1
03-06-08, 01:41 AM
I suspect pilot error as well. I'll try again tomorrow and pay closer attention. I think there is a question about resetting the mpeg partition, which I likely answered incorrectly.
Thanks,
John
neumannu47
03-17-08, 06:16 PM
After reading this forum and some other posts, I decided to buy a Seagate 8MB buffer 500GB DB35 hard drive. Prior to buying this drive, I got one from Amazon that was 7200.10 with a 16MB buffer. Even though it appeared to work in my 5060, I heeded the advice of people here and replaced it with the DB35, which is 7200.3.
As I watch the shows that were copied over to the new drive (from the original 160GB drive, not the new 500GB non-DB35 drive), there are periodic hiccups in the video. It seems that no one else has reported a problem with the DB35 drives.
Could the copy from the 160GB drive with RTVPatch been less than optimum? Could these glitches have been there before I changed drives? While I could always go back to the old drive, it's a hassle. Since I only record at standard speed, could these glitches have been there all along and I just never noticed them?
Any thoughts are appreciated. I bought two of these drives, so I hate to have to eat them.
hdonzis
03-17-08, 10:17 PM
I think if you had continued with the 7200.10 16MB that you would have experienced problems...
Not that it matters, but is it a ReplayTV 5160 with 160GB original drive or a ReplayTV 5060 with 80GB original drive (partitioned to 60GB)?
Did you look at the RTVPatch log file to see if it had any problems copying the shows over to the new drive? The log file should still be there for you to look at. Did you see it retrying while it was copying shows?
I'm going to anticipate that it's problems with the original drive. Although, why were you upgrading it if you weren't having problems? I think that the DB35 drives are pretty solid, although only a few people have used the 7200.3 model (with no problems). Please keep us apprised of how things work out...
Henry
neumannu47
03-17-08, 10:49 PM
It was a 5060 with an 80GB drive. The 160 was an upgrade. The 500 was a further upgrade. I didn't know about the log, so I'll have to look around to see if it still exists.
Edit: I found a log, but it was the wrong one. The last one must be on a different drive.
hdonzis
03-17-08, 10:54 PM
I didn't know about the log, so I'll have to look around to see if it still exists.
Yeah, you can see that the log grows forever (notice all the different versions of RTVPatch that you used?). Of course, the problem is finding a particular part of the log because it isn't dated. But, at least in this case you should only be looking for the end of the log or near the end of the log...
Henry
neumannu47
03-19-08, 07:18 AM
Hopefully this is the log. Also note that I am stilling seeing tiny freezes even on new shows recorded on the new drive. While I may be trying to convince myself that it's true, what I am seeing may be artifacts of high compression of the MPEG signal. At this point, I'm probably going to wait it out. My brother got the idential SB35 drive, but we haven't installed it yet. If there are no further posts by me on the subject, it is because the story is the same. If I decide the drive is okay or if it is a problem, I will try to remember to post it here.
RTVPatch version 2.5.3, built on Mar 2 2005, 18:56:07
\\.\PhysicalDrive0 (ST3500830ACE) : Used WinXP drive size detection
\\.\PhysicalDrive0 (ST3500830ACE) : Detected size = 312581808 sectors
\\.\PhysicalDrive1 (ST3500830ACE) : Used WinXP drive size detection
\\.\PhysicalDrive1 (ST3500830ACE) : Detected size = 976773168 sectors
\\.\PhysicalDrive2 (WDC WD3200JB-00KFA0) : Used WinXP drive size detection
\\.\PhysicalDrive2 (WDC WD3200JB-00KFA0) : Detected size = 625142448 sectors
*********************************************
***** Copying Partition Table and *****
***** System Partition *****
*********************************************
Copy from source '\\.\PhysicalDrive0' at offset 0
Copy to destination '\\.\PhysicalDrive1' at offset 0
Copying 1024002 blocks (500MB)
*********************************************
***** Copy Complete *****
*********************************************
Copy Complete
*********************************************
***** Copying MPEG Partition *****
*********************************************
2nd partition of source disk (\\.\PhysicalDrive0) is 311557806 num_blocks (152127MB)
2nd partition of target disk (\\.\PhysicalDrive1) is 975749166 num_blocks (476440MB)
Copy from source '\\.\PhysicalDrive0' at offset 1024002
Copy to destination '\\.\PhysicalDrive1' at offset 1024002
Copying 311557806 blocks (152127MB)
*********************************************
***** Copy Complete *****
*********************************************
NOTE: You MUST now apply the patch in order to make the disk work!
DO NOT CHOOSE TO RESET the MPEG partition
when applying the patch!
*********************************************
***** Copying Photo Partition *****
*********************************************
3rd partition of source disk (\\.\PhysicalDrive0) is 2048 blocks (1MB)
3rd partition of target disk (\\.\PhysicalDrive1) will start at sector 976771120
Copy from source '\\.\PhysicalDrive0' at offset 312579760
Copy to destination '\\.\PhysicalDrive1' at offset 976771120
Copying 2048 blocks (1MB)
*********************************************
***** Copy Complete *****
*********************************************
NOTE: You MUST now apply the patch in order to make the disk work!
DO NOT CHOOSE TO REFORMAT the Photo partition
when applying the patch!
*********************************************
***** PATCHING DISK *****
*********************************************
Target disk is \\.\PhysicalDrive1 (976773168 sectors)
***** Patching partition block...
Enabling RTV 4xxx/5xxx byteswapping functions
Original partition table values:
Partition 1, type 0x4d, start: 2, length: 1024000
Partition 2, type 0x4d, start: 1024002, length: 311555758
Partition 3, type 0x4d, start: 312579760, length: 2048
Partition 4, type 0x00, start: 0, length: 0
Partition 2 cluster size is 262144 bytes.
Partition 3 cluster size is 8192 bytes.
Changing partition 3 start sector to 976771120 (0x3a385830)
Photo partition size will be 2048 blocks (1MB)
Partition 2 will be 975747118 (0x3a28b82e) blocks.
***** Clearing volume sequence block...
***** Reading signature and FAT blocks...
***** Patching signature and FAT blocks...
Number of clusters is 0x1d145c.
CRC is 0x4d0e
XOR byte is 0xdb
*********************************************
***** PATCH COMPLETE *****
*********************************************
Patch complete
hdonzis
03-19-08, 11:31 AM
Assuming that's the correct log from your last operation, it looks pretty clean. That would be disappointing if there were problems with the 7200.3 drives. You can search through here to review other experiences. My recollection is that someone first posted that they didn't work, but then someone else posted that they did. Then, the first poster posted that he wasn't sure. So, I'm not sure that there's been more than 2 posts on the subject so far...
I guess if you could find a 7200.2 or earlier drive you could try it instead just to see if it made a difference or not. It's certainly possible that there's something else going on. Like, maybe the IDE cable got slightly damaged just from swapping drives or something. I suppose that's where putting your old drive back in might at least tell you if it's the Replay or the new drive...
Henry
neumannu47
04-02-08, 06:38 AM
Well, after living with this 7200.3 drive, I am not convinced that it is working correctly. There are micro skips and stutters from time to time. I guess it is possible that the TV station is sending the show that way, but I don't think so. If someone would do so, I'd like to send a show that has the stuttering to see if it stutters on your player. If I back up and hit replay, it stutters in the same place indicating that the stutter is in record instead of in playback.
If the problem turns out to be the new drive, I hope that it is perfectly usable as a regular PC drive. I bought two 500GBs, and I don't need that much PC storage right now, particularly since these are the second and third 500GB drives I bought for this unit. The first one was a 7200.10 that Amazon had listed in a confusing manner.
Has anyone else here tried this drive (Seagate ST3500830ACE)?
neumannu47
04-24-08, 11:56 AM
(Editing a prior post may not bump the thread, so I will reply to my own post.)
I am now convinced that there is a compatibility problem with this drive and the 5080. There are spits and sputters that were not present with my prior 160GB drive. Therefore, I will be moving this drive to a computer and hopefully installing a Western Digital drive, as recommended by Mikeyboy. The question is, which WD drive for a 5080?
This thread seems to have died. What's up? Did we ever end up with a comprehensive list of compatible drives?
Kudos for reporting good info while you are--presumably--experiencing a mini-low after concluding the drive has failed in the replaytv.
Please enjoy this picture of a beautiful woman in a mermaid custume for taking the time.
http://www.sznews.com/zhuanti/images/site3/20060913/0014224750740671ef2903.jpg
This thread seems to have died. What's up? Did we ever end up with a comprehensive list of compatible drives?
I can't make heads are tails of that thread..maybe if I sat down with pen and paper and toothpicks for my eyelids.
l8er's site has an acurate, yet aging, list of compatable drives.
http://www.replaytvupgrade.com/drivecompatibility.htm
One strategy would be to find an aging listed drive that is new/boxed.
EDIT: I take that back. I don't see a point in getting a drive smaller than 400 gigs. There's no reason not to record everything in high def. Also, having a perpetual lump of extra unused gigs will keep the replaytvs performance from getting cloggy (<--often underlooked).
BaysideBas
04-27-08, 09:45 AM
Just finished prepping and burning in a Seagate Barracuda 7200.10, 320 GB 16MB drive, model ST3320620A, firmware 3.AAE, with no problems in an RTV5000.
Boots normally, has been recording and buffering for 24 hours, no random reboots, no missing portions of programs. Looks promising.
Got the drive [barebones] from MWave for under $90.
Now to drop it into my friend's 5K and see how it holds up.
mfeldman
04-27-08, 12:27 PM
Let me know how it goes with that ST3320620A drive. :confused: I am about to try a ST3500641A-R that I picked up for $90 at Fry's. :) It has a 16gb cache.
adone36
04-27-08, 12:49 PM
Historically, they "install". In a week comes the post about scrambled programs, reboots, etc, etc.
If you are under the impression you will get some kind of performance improvement, forget it. You don't. Just go online and find an OEM supplier and buy a 5400rpm 2 or 8 meg cache drive even cheaper.
BaysideBas
04-28-08, 02:44 PM
Historically, they "install". In a week comes the post about scrambled programs, reboots, etc, etc.
If you are under the impression you will get some kind of performance improvement, forget it. You don't. Just go online and find an OEM supplier and buy a 5400rpm 2 or 8 meg cache drive even cheaper.No performance improvements expected, as to the choice? just try to find 5400 rpm 200-350 GB IDE drives these days. Scarcer than hen's teeth.
adone36
04-28-08, 02:55 PM
Maybe if you're talking retail boxes off the shelf at Costco. There is no such shortage from bulk dealers.
BaysideBas
04-28-08, 04:43 PM
Maybe if you're talking retail boxes off the shelf at Costco. There is no such shortage from bulk dealers.You keep saying that, but my research has failed to unearth any where I could buy in lots of less than 25. Maybe you posess the "open sesame" trick and I'm too lame to figure it out...
neumannu47
04-28-08, 06:44 PM
Maybe if you're talking retail boxes off the shelf at Costco. There is no such shortage from bulk dealers.
Tony, if you would be kind enough to post a link to a supplier that has them, I'll buy several.
neumannu47
04-28-08, 06:48 PM
Kudos for reporting good info while you are--presumably--experiencing a mini-low after concluding the drive has failed in the replaytv.
Please enjoy this picture of a beautiful woman in a mermaid custume for taking the time.
http://www.sznews.com/zhuanti/images/site3/20060913/0014224750740671ef2903.jpg
As hdonzis said, "Please keep us apprised of how things work out...", which is what I was trying to do. I was just trying to reciprocate. Sorry to wake you.
I installed the DB35 7200.3 750GB drive (ST3750840ACE) into a ReplayTV 5160.
It appears to work properly, but I have noticed some micro-stuttering several times through some shows.
Later: after several weeks, I've not noticed any stuttering. I'm completely happy with the larger drive.
MrPlastic
11-13-08, 10:25 AM
Just finished prepping and burning in a Seagate Barracuda 7200.10, 320 GB 16MB drive, model ST3320620A, firmware 3.AAE, with no problems in an RTV5000.
Boots normally, has been recording and buffering for 24 hours, no random reboots, no missing portions of programs. Looks promising.
Got the drive [barebones] from MWave for under $90.
Now to drop it into my friend's 5K and see how it holds up.
Bas, do you have an update on how this drive's holding up? Seven months should be enough of a torture test, and these drives are down to $70 at Newegg...
elorimer
12-10-08, 08:10 PM
Bad news: my Seagate 7200.7 160gb drive failed in my wife's 5040 and she lost her shows.
Good news: it has a year to run on the warranty.
Unknown news: they are shipping me a 7200.10 160gb 8mb drive to replace the failed drive. Is this likely to work in the 5040? The threads seem to come to mixed conclusions.
Stupid me: the Replay was HOT and the fan wasn't spinning, and I concluded the drive failed because the fan failed, ordered a new fan with pronto delivery, put in the old 40gb drive and then did a search here. Of course, the fan was fine and fired up as soon as the Replay started up.:o
hdonzis
12-11-08, 01:22 AM
I don't think that 7200.10 drives will work. It may be only 16MB cache 7200.10's, but I'm not sure...
You may be able to recover your lost shows using extract_rtv5 (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=17245&package_id=199244). If the drive is functioning at all, you can see what all you can recover...
Henry
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