Well, that sucks. The writers chose to knock off perhaps the most attractive exotically beautiful woman on a series today. Let's hope Hiro can bring her back. Or maybe she survives that shot?

Well, that sucks. The writers chose to knock off perhaps the most attractive exotically beautiful woman on a series today. Let's hope Hiro can bring her back. Or maybe she survives that shot?


since the promo said "someone dies", it's not likely. then again, nobody ever dies permanently in the comics...

very good episode. is stan lee's gig now just to make cameo appearances in movies/tv shows? it's getting tired and a little sad. i know you guys worship him and all, but enough already with the forced pop ins. it was great the first time i saw him in a walk on role. the second and third times as well. after that it started to get...stale...

that mohinder guy isn't too bright. he takes this guy (sylar) along with him, despite knowing things weren't quite what they seemed at the apartment of the guy who could melt things. they visit a woman with super hearing (who is openly suspicious of sylar). then, finding her dead with the exact same methodology sylar uses (which mohinder knows all about) a few short hours later, he doesn't suspect anything? on top of all of this, sylar suddenly has hearing problems and is acting irrationally. this guy gets the idiot of the year award...

Well, that sucks. The writers chose to knock off perhaps the most attractive exotically beautiful woman on a series today. Let's hope Hiro can bring her back. Or maybe she survives that shot?

I did read somewhere that the writers had planned to have someone die ... and it was someone fans may have grown attached to ... and that many fans were not going to like who. So, unfortunately I think she is dead, dead.

Peter could turn back time to save Simone (Simone wasn't the only one who "died" tonight.) He'd probably be better at it then Hiro at the moment too. Too bad he's going psycho.

Is it correct to assume that people have to use their powers around Peter for him to absorb them? Or can he just pick up powers from being near people?

Hiro's power showed a different side tonight. Like he was able to focus it and limit it to just the area around Hope's gun.

that mohinder guy isn't too bright. he takes this guy (sylar) along with him, despite knowing things weren't quite what they seemed at the apartment of the guy who could melt things. they visit a woman with super hearing (who is openly suspicious of sylar). then, finding her dead with the exact same methodology sylar uses (which mohinder knows all about) a few short hours later, he doesn't suspect anything? on top of all of this, sylar suddenly has hearing problems and is acting irrationally. this guy gets the idiot of the year award...

Agreed, and I have to pin this on the writing. Mohinder hasn't been written to be a stupid character, but they need him to be a complete moron to keep the story going in a certain direction. If Mohinder doesn't realize who his new buddy is by the midway point of the next episode this is going to piss me off.

Peter could turn back time to save Simone (Simone wasn't the only one who "died" tonight.) He'd probably be better at it then Hiro at the moment too. Too bad he's going psycho.

Is it correct to assume that people have to use their powers around Peter for him to absorb them? Or can he just pick up powers from being near people?

Hiro's power showed a different side tonight. Like he was able to focus it and limit it to just the area around Hope's gun.

Isn't it also the first time we saw him reverse an event?

Peter could turn back time to save Simone (Simone wasn't the only one who "died" tonight.) He'd probably be better at it then Hiro at the moment too. Too bad he's going psycho.

Is it correct to assume that people have to use their powers around Peter for him to absorb them? Or can he just pick up powers from being near people?

Hiro's power showed a different side tonight. Like he was able to focus it and limit it to just the area around Hope's gun.I was thinking this as well.

For added effect, they could have Peter turn back the clock, step in front of Simone, take the bullets, and then heal himself. Or simply step in front of Simone and stop the bullets in their tracks.

That said, remember what Hiro said earlier...that you can't go back in time to save someone's life. Once they're dead, they're dead, i.e. god's will.

What was up with Peter being such a jerk with Isaac, tossing him around and busting up his paintings? Doesn't he realize Isaac was trying to find him to save him? It didn't seem to fit, or maybe I missed something obvious (jealousy over Simone?). Aren't all the Heroes supposed to be kind of "in it together"?

Peter could turn back time to save Simone (Simone wasn't the only one who "died" tonight.) He'd probably be better at it then Hiro at the moment too. Too bad he's going psycho.

Is it correct to assume that people have to use their powers around Peter for him to absorb them? Or can he just pick up powers from being near people?

Hiro's power showed a different side tonight. Like he was able to focus it and limit it to just the area around Hope's gun.

Great episode. I wonder if Hiro is the one who actually reversed the bullet. I wonder if there is another hero somewhere who actually performed this feat? Hiro and Ando both seemed to legitimately not know what happened. I guess his power could have activated on it's own in the face of danger, similar to how Peter's powers worked when they simply had to, but I can also see another unknown hero being responsible. It will be interesting to find out how it goes.

I was extremely surprised when Simone got shot, and it was a nice camera view to show the closeup of the key in her hand. She has been trying to give that key back to Issac over the last several episodes and if he had taken it back, then she wouldn't have simply walked in unannounced like that.

I love seeing the progression of Peter and his ability to actually recall his powers on demand. He actually reminded me a lot of Neo from the matrix tonight. Especially with his all black outfit. I love his character.

What was up with Peter being such a jerk with Isaac, tossing him around and busting up his paintings? Doesn't he realize Isaac was trying to find him to save him? It didn't seem to fit, or maybe I missed something obvious (jealousy over Simone?). Aren't all the Heroes supposed to be kind of "in it together"?

I actually wonder if Peter has absorbed some of Sylar's personality from their contact earlier, like one of the previous posters mentioned. It didn't really seem in his natural character to behave in the way he did. Although it could just be simple jealousy. Remember that he misinterpreted what was going on between Simone and Issac on that rooftop when the invisible guy took him to spy on her. And then while at Issac's place he saw the painting that showed them on the roof together hugging. He could have simply been reacting to his emotions at the time.

Anyone have problems with the NBC HD during the last few minutes of Heroes, during the battle between Peter, and the guy who paints the future?


Started having strange interference, and it looked the picture temporarily went into SD. Don't know if it was a local, WNBC Time Warner thing, or if it was a national thing.
I definitely saw that here in NYC,the SD was momentary for a second.Also during the rooftop scene earlier when Peter took off with invisible man,there was a momentary glitch in the picture.

i told u that someone other then a hero dies....

great episode.... next week is even better... answers and a new problem arise for the heros

At this point, who has Sylar gleened powers from and what are they?

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What an awesome show. This episode was fantastic. While I originally didn't like the concept of Peter's powers (it made the other characters less unique) when he started using them all it really gave me goose bumps. Was sort of like superman or something, doing a lot of things at once. Man, that was excellent.

The only thing I didn't like was the end promos. I hate that whole Windows Vista crap. They are showing the previews in tiny little pop up windows, who cares, give me my full HD screen of promos, knock that stupid crap off.

that mohinder guy isn't too bright.

I'm wondering if Mohinder is on to Sylar but just hasn't revealed his knowledge. Or perhaps even further - he knew he'd come across Sylar and expected/planned for it.

Wow....Peter's turning out to be one bad mofo. Too bad he doesn't have the ability to heal others. WiFi-girl is kinda neat, also.

What's interesting is that he did it subconsciously, using a power he didn't even know he had. So does it only apply to powers Sylar used in his presence? Or did he soak up all of Sylar's powers?

Does anyone know how Sylar was able to sneak up the super hearing lady? I remember her saying that she didn't hear his footsteps and Sylar said that's because he didn't make any. Does ths mean that he flew? If so, when did Sylar get ability to fly?

Well, that sucks. The writers chose to knock off perhaps the most attractive exotically beautiful woman on a series today. Let's hope Hiro can bring her back. Or maybe she survives that shot?

She's cute but did nothing to advance storylines, very expendable story wise and now there is a big rift between Isaac and Peter.

Good to see Peter getting a hard edge to him.

Does anyone know how Sylar was able to sneak up the super hearing lady? I remember her saying that she didn't hear his footsteps and Sylar said that's because he didn't make any. Does ths mean that he flew? If so, when did Sylar get ability to fly?

He does have telekinesis. That could explain it.

that mohinder guy isn't too bright. he takes this guy (sylar) along with him, despite knowing things weren't quite what they seemed at the apartment of the guy who could melt things. they visit a woman with super hearing (who is openly suspicious of sylar). then, finding her dead with the exact same methodology sylar uses (which mohinder knows all about) a few short hours later, he doesn't suspect anything? on top of all of this, sylar suddenly has hearing problems and is acting irrationally. this guy gets the idiot of the year award...


Neither he nor his father had a lick of common sense in regards to Sylar. I guess being a genius geneticist doesn't necessarily translate to being a good judge of character.

What was up with Peter being such a jerk with Isaac, tossing him around and busting up his paintings? Doesn't he realize Isaac was trying to find him to save him? It didn't seem to fit, or maybe I missed something obvious (jealousy over Simone?). Aren't all the Heroes supposed to be kind of "in it together"?

Well the guy did rat him out to HRG...and drove away the only man who could teach him how to control his powers. Not to mention putting the moves on his new girl. And heck, this was before he shot her full of holes. I wouldn't want to be Isaac next episode....

Does anyone know how Sylar was able to sneak up the super hearing lady? I remember her saying that she didn't hear his footsteps and Sylar said that's because he didn't make any. Does ths mean that he flew? If so, when did Sylar get ability to fly?

He has the ability to move through the air, not sure it translates to flying. Remember when Parkman shot him at FBI headquarters? He got up and 'flew' up and out. It may just be telekinesis on himself, as opposed to actual flight.

i wonder if Mohinder doesnt start seeing a connection to all the heros dieing after meeting them.. LMAO.... the writers better not make this into a stupid show...

Mohinder's dad was right - he is an idiot.

Did HRG have the Haitian with him on the roof? If Peter picks up the Haitian's suppression power, the game is over between him and Sylar.

He seems to have Eden's voice. When did he encounter Eden?

I want to jump into this show midstream, were is the best Heroes' primer?

I want to jump into this show midstream, were is the best Heroes' primer?

Full episodes are online:

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Full episodes are online:

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Welcome!

Thanks Iteki, but, I don't have time right now to get caught up. I tried viewing last night for the first time and nothing really made sense to me. I suppose I'm looking for a source that will condense everything and get me "up to speed" quickly.

since the promo said "someone dies", it's not likely. then again, nobody ever dies permanently in the comics...

I'm glad I avoided all promos this week - the death came as a complete surprise. Although avoiding previews has become very difficult with them plastered all over all the NBC/U properties. I don't flip anymore to NBC owned channels, 100% Tivo now.

As far as Peter's abilities, I had assumed the power just had to be used near him (he specifically said Sylar "used" the telekenesis against him) - but IIRC, Claire never used her healing around Peter before he fell off the roof, so apparently he can access their power when he's close enough. So, the only way he wouldn't have absorbed all of Sylar's powers is if there's a requirement that the power has to be used around Peter - or specifically accessed.

I'm glad I avoided all promos this week - the death came as a complete surprise. Although avoiding previews has become very difficult with them plastered all over all the NBC/U properties. I don't flip anymore to NBC owned channels, 100% Tivo now.

As far as Peter's abilities, I had assumed the power just had to be used near him (he specifically said Sylar "used" the telekenesis against him) - but IIRC, Claire never used her healing around Peter before he fell off the roof, so apparently he can access their power when he's close enough. So, the only way he wouldn't have absorbed all of Sylar's powers is if there's a requirement that the power has to be used around Peter - or specifically accessed.

I saw the preview and I just assumed it would be one of Cylar's victims. The ending was a complete surprise. I was surprised, but I must say they have not made her a character that is central to the plot. This could be an interesting way to turn Peter into a quasi villian for the rest of the season.

As for Claire's power it is entirely possible it could be working all the time, but she only notices it when she gets hurt. Maybe if she runs her power kicks in to keep her stamina going.

As far as Peter's abilities, I had assumed the power just had to be used near him (he specifically said Sylar "used" the telekenesis against him) - but IIRC, Claire never used her healing around Peter before he fell off the roof, so apparently he can access their power when he's close enough. So, the only way he wouldn't have absorbed all of Sylar's powers is if there's a requirement that the power has to be used around Peter - or specifically accessed.

As much as I can recall of that ep, Peter didn't start healing until Claire approached him. I don't know that the was specifically healing at the time (at least visibly, she may have had internal injuries that were healing).

As much as I can recall of that ep, Peter didn't start healing until Claire approached him. I don't know that the was specifically healing at the time (at least visibly, she may have had internal injuries that were healing).Peter only has to be around someone w/ a power and he can absorb it. Remember when Peter he met Issac, Issac couldn't use his power, so Peter painted it for him.

Peter only has to be around someone w/ a power and he can absorb it. Remember when Peter he met Issac, Issac couldn't use his power, so Peter painted it for him.

If that holds, then Peter should have all the abilities Sylar has, up to the point they met...if only he can tap into them.

But that still falls into the "accessed" category. If he was around Sylar and never accessed each of the powers, he may not have them all. If they ever meet head-to-head, there's no question he should be able to match his abilities - they just have an "out" if they don't want him to have all of those powers now.

But that still falls into the "accessed" category. If he was around Sylar and never accessed each of the powers, he may not have them all. If they ever meet head-to-head, there's no question he should be able to match his abilities - they just have an "out" if they don't want him to have all of those powers now.

And, of course, the advantage Peter has is he can skip right past that "taking off the top of the head" process required by Sylar to gain a power.

If that holds, then Peter should have all the abilities Sylar has, up to the point they met...if only he can tap into them.Right, that explains Peter's new ability last night, telekinesis.

I don't remember how many deaths the FBI said Sylar was responsible for. I don't think its more than 10? So, Peter should have those additional powers.

Telekenesis was used against Peter - that's why he has that one.

...remember what Hiro said earlier...that you can't go back in time to save someone's life. Once they're dead, they're dead, i.e. god's will.I completely missed him saying this. Well, at least I don't remember Hiro saying it. Kinda like the universe "self corrects" or something. :rolleyes:

Telekenesis was used against Peter - that's why he has that one.

But as another poster pointed out, Peter was able to use Isaac's 'draw the future' power without Isaac actually using it around him.

UNLESS...I seem to remember Peter and Mohinder went to visit him, but he didn't answer the door, he was in his painting trance. Was Peter close enough to him then? I don't have the eps, can anyone confirm that it was Peter at the door? Or just Mohinder?

True, but heused Isaac's power. Nobody doubt's he can access another hero's power - only if he can later access a power that he hasn't already used, or was used in proximity to him.

Especially enjoyed the surround sound effect of Peter's voice when he went invisible in Isaac's studio.

Mohinder's dad was right - he is an idiot.

Did HRG have the Haitian with him on the roof? If Peter picks up the Haitian's suppression power, the game is over between him and Sylar.

He seems to have Eden's voice. When did he encounter Eden?

I don't remember Peter meeting Eden, however he did use Eden's voice while getting angry at Isaac. It is safe to assume that Eden was successful at blowing off her head with the gun before Sylar could take that power from her. It will be interesting to see how Peter handles Sylar the next time they meet. Sylar's new "super hearing" power seems like it will hurt Peter as he tries to figure it out.. I think Peter next episode is going to try and use Hiro's power to save his girlfriend and somehow stop the bullets from hitting her..We shall see...

I completely missed him saying this. Well, at least I don't remember Hiro saying it. Kinda like the universe "self corrects" or something. :rolleyes:

That would be like the "Final Destination" films then. However if you can't change what happens, what is the point of being able to travel thru time. I for one believe the show views time travel as changeable, like a "multiverse" where there are infinite possibilities except we are only seeing a few of them on the show. The Hiro of the future told Peter to save the cheerleader. This means in that Hiro's future Claire was killed. If Claire was killed in that future, then how could she be saved in the past... This contradicts Hiro's other statement mentioned by RustyC where he couldn't save his girlfriend with the brain tumor...The only other explanation would be if you can only save someone in the past if they are murdered by someone and their life didn't end from disease or on their own. That would be the only explanation as to why Claire was able to be saved and Hiro's girl was only saved temporarily so she would die of natural causes and not murdered by Sylar as she was...

I didn't notice anywhere here mentioned that in one of the first episodes (maybe the first?) Hiro walks in Issacs apt and picked up the very gun Issac used to shoot Simone. Then the cops bust in ..

I wonder now if that future event unfolds the same way it was first shown...

Also nice to see Matt and Radioactive Ted teaming up.

Next week will be very interesting.

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Also nice to see Matt and Radioactive Ted teaming up.



:D

He's becoming quite the outlaw...I like it!

I didn't notice anywhere here mentioned that in one of the first episodes (maybe the first?) Hiro walks in Issacs apt and picked up the very gun Issac used to shoot Simone. Then the cops bust in ..And they find Issac with his head removed. Going back to my statement earlier - who takes off the top of Issac's head? Do Sylar and Mohinder make it back to NYC or does Peter do it in a fit of rage? The latter is unlikely, since I think there are a few more "days" before Hiro gets there, and that body would be in pretty bad condition by then.

If the rats eat Issac's brain, do they get his power? :eek:

That would be like the "Final Destination" films then. However if you can't change what happens, what is the point of being able to travel thru time. I for one believe the show views time travel as changeable, like a "multiverse" where there are infinite possibilities except we are only seeing a few of them on the show. The Hiro of the future told Peter to save the cheerleader. This means in that Hiro's future Claire was killed. If Claire was killed in that future, then how could she be saved in the past... This contradicts Hiro's other statement mentioned by RustyC where he couldn't save his girlfriend with the brain tumor...The only other explanation would be if you can only save someone in the past if they are murdered by someone and their life didn't end from disease or on their own. That would be the only explanation as to why Claire was able to be saved and Hiro's girl was only saved temporarily so she would die of natural causes and not murdered by Sylar as she was...You missed my Lost reference. :p Charlie's a goner. I share your view of the Heroverse's timeline. I guess we'll see how this all plays out next week.

On another note, I thought Sylar used the lion's roar on Claire's mom when he knocked the phone out of her hands.

And who is super text-messaging lady working for? And did anyone else think she was wearing a superhero outfit (like skin-tight black leather). She must think a lot of herself.

And who is super text-messaging lady working for? And did anyone else think she was wearing a superhero outfit (like skin-tight black leather). She must think a lot of herself.

Read the online comics (NBC.com/Heroes/novels/). There is a 4 "issue" arc that introduces Hana, the new "wireless" hero, along with her backstory and why she's after Jack Bennet (HRG).

Thanks Iteki, but, I don't have time right now to get caught up. I tried viewing last night for the first time and nothing really made sense to me. I suppose I'm looking for a source that will condense everything and get me "up to speed" quickly.

If you are looking for video, NBC also has a two-minute replayewind that recaps the episodes. Go here: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/ and click on the Two-Minute Replay text.

NBC airs this on the SD channel letterboxed correct? NOT HERE IN THE UK, KING OF WIDESCREEN TV. seriously, tuned in to this last night and it's 4:3 centre-cut, no letterbox, no anamorphic. (the show just started over here)

Neither he nor his father had a lick of common sense in regards to Sylar. I guess being a genius geneticist doesn't necessarily translate to being a good judge of character.


are you saying he was book smart and brain dead? :D you know what they say about common sense. You either have it or you don't as it can't be taught.

Great episode tonight. It was cool to see Stan Lee tonight.

Next week's episode should answer a lot of questions about HRG.

Stan Lee? Where? I didn't see Stan Lee. Please tell me when Stan Lee was seen in the show. Thanks.

Stan Lee? Where? I didn't see Stan Lee. Please tell me when Stan Lee was seen in the show. Thanks.

Bus driver when Hiro was getting on.

Does anyone know how Sylar was able to sneak up the super hearing lady? I remember her saying that she didn't hear his footsteps and Sylar said that's because he didn't make any. Does ths mean that he flew? If so, when did Sylar get ability to fly?

Remember that house where several people had their heads opened and supposedly Sylar did it?

We don't know what powers Sylar gained from that. We may find out as Peter has all powers Sylar had at the time of their confrontation.

And, of course, the advantage Peter has is he can skip right past that "taking off the top of the head" process required by Sylar to gain a power.

We don't know that Sylar needs to kill people to get their power. That is the only way he knows now, but since he is a psychopath he won't take the time to figure out if there is another way.

Remember Issac thought he only painted the future because of getting high on heroin. That wasn't the case, but he was okay with trying to find another way. Sylar is not.

We don't know that Sylar needs to kill people to get their power. That is the only way he knows now, but since he is a psychopath he won't take the time to figure out if there is another way.

Remember Issac thought he only painted the future because of getting high on heroin. That wasn't the case, but he was okay with trying to find another way. Sylar is not.

Maybe he doesnt need to take off the top of the head to acquire the power. Maybe he's just a greedy bastard and wants exclusivity of that power. Maybe killing the person lets him think that he has it all to himself?

Anyone have problems with the NBC HD during the last few minutes of Heroes, during the battle between Peter, and the guy who paints the future?


Started having strange interference, and it looked the picture temporarily went into SD. Don't know if it was a local, WNBC Time Warner thing, or if it was a national thing.

Had the same problem with Verizon FIOS so I believe it was WNBC.

Agreed, and I have to pin this on the writing. Mohinder hasn't been written to be a stupid character, but they need him to be a complete moron to keep the story going in a certain direction. If Mohinder doesn't realize who his new buddy is by the midway point of the next episode this is going to piss me off.

ITA. Mohinder has become artificially stupid at the behest of the writers, because they need it to be so to advance that particular plot thread. He had best undumb himself, or this is going to get old very quickly.

Maybe he doesnt need to take off the top of the head to acquire the power. Maybe he's just a greedy bastard and wants exclusivity of that power. Maybe killing the person lets him think that he has it all to himself?

I always assumed he killed them for the same reason. His original power allows him to see how things work, but his ego makes him want to be the only one with powers.

I always assumed he killed them for the same reason. His original power allows him to see how things work, but his ego makes him want to be the only one with powers.
He enjoys killing.
Dale (super hearing) asked him what that other sound was in his heart. He replied, "Murder".

Also, can we assume Ted Sprague has learned to control his radioactive-ness in the Nevada desert cabin (nice Unabomber spoof there) as it seems ok for others to be around him now?

Great episode this week.

I always assumed he killed them for the same reason. His original power allows him to see how things work, but his ego makes him want to be the only one with powers.


Exactly! Should be a nice showdown when he finds out Peter has "1 upped" him!

:eek:

I'm glad I avoided all promos this week - the death came as a complete surprise. Although avoiding previews has become very difficult with them plastered all over all the NBC/U properties. I don't flip anymore to NBC owned channels, 100% Tivo now.


i'll tell you something else that's seriously irritating me. if you want to promote windows vista, that's fine. but to make me sit through the promo for next week's show in a freaking simulated vista window that's skewed to the side and is the size of a postage stamp, it's too much. is this supposed to be a selling point of vista?

"look, we can watch videos that are distractingly off to the side and are really small!!!"

Also, can we assume Ted Sprague has learned to control his radioactive-ness in the Nevada desert cabin (nice Unabomber spoof there) as it seems ok for others to be around him now?


Yeah - they had a small scene where they showed him in a cabin making mini-explosions in his hands in a previous episode.

We don't know that Sylar needs to kill people to get their power. That is the only way he knows now, but since he is a psychopath he won't take the time to figure out if there is another way.

Remember Issac thought he only painted the future because of getting high on heroin. That wasn't the case, but he was okay with trying to find another way. Sylar is not.


It is obvious Sylar has to kill to g et the power since it invloves removing the brain. I don't buy the theorists who think he is doing it only for pleasure. I do agree he probably wants to be the only one left and perhaps has higher ambitions after he completes that task.. Peter is the only one who can stop him if things continue the way they are. And Peter does have claire's power so he has a 1up on Sylar already. However Sylar has a lot more control over his powers. I do agree that Mohinder needs to smarten up and figure out he's being played. Mohinder is looking real dumb these past few episodes..

I wonder if taking on some of Sylar's powers also caused him to take on some of his personality traits...now that would be a cool twist.Yeah, I kind of had the feeling he was about to go darkside, or something. Some one said early in the thread, that only Pete would be able to defeat a powered-up Sylar. That was a good call (I think Claire's real mom would give him a good run for his money, also). And by destroying Hearing-aid Lady, it appears he bit off a bit more than he can chew.

I predict Wifi-Girl won't last very long; once Sylar picks her brain, he'll be unlocking all kinds of accounts and classified stuff. He could possibly gain access to NORAD/Pentagon/White House :eek:.

It is obvious Sylar has to kill to g et the power since it invloves removing the brain. I don't buy the theorists who think he is doing it only for pleasure. I


I never said he was killing for pleasure, just that so far he only knows of killing as the only way to get a power.

Just like Issac thought heroin was integral to seeing the future, but its not.

If the writers can make it so that Issac's power does not revolve around heroin (but he thought it did), it is just as plausible that Sylar's adding of powers does not necessarily need to including killing the subject (but Sylar thinks it does).

We don't know that Sylar needs to kill people to get their power. That is the only way he knows now, but since he is a psychopath he won't take the time to figure out if there is another way.Well he was really po'd when Eden shot herself in the head. I got the impression that he needs to touch people's brains to understand and absorb their powers, kinda like his watch-fixing. They'd have to be dead for that, except that Claire and Peter could self heal.

I guess if Sylar could have reacted quicker he could have stopped Eden's bullet (and HRG's bullets too). After all, Peter was able to stop those tasers (makes me think Peter's stronger and faster). Then Sylar could have gotten Eden's voice.

ITA. Mohinder has become artificially stupid at the behest of the writers, because they need it to be so to advance that particular plot thread. He had best undumb himself, or this is going to get old very quickly.

Maybe Mohinder is onto Sylar. He's just keeping mum about it until he has a chance to get away unnoticed. Would you just announce to this super-mutant killer "Hey, you're Sylar! Allow me to call a policeman to take you into custody." thereby almost assuredly giving your brain a breath of fresh air? My man Mo's just playin' him until he can get the upper hand. ;)

Good episode.

I think Peter "absorbs" all the powers of the evolved people that he come in contact with, regardless of whether those powers were used in his presence. As he was trying to learn from Claude, the way he brings up a power is by consciously thinking about it. That is, he has to know what he wants to bring out. He thought of Claire's smile when he healed himself from a fall onto a taxicab. He probably stopped objects because he remembered how Sylar was throwing things at him. I think this includes just looking at (that is being in proximity) someone.

The "voice" when Peter threw Isaac, I am wondering if it's something that Sylar picked up that we have not (yet) seen in the episodes. Maybe when Peter thinks of Sylar to use telekinesis he brings out a bit of some other powers that Sylar had.

Hiro's localized time-reversal. When I saw it I thought had to be someone else, and was hoping for someone else to show up. (BTW, why did the NGC officer guy take Hiro with him? It's not like Hiro knew where Ando was headed? And why did Hope take Ando anyway?) But it could be Hiro's new expanded ability, a localized space-time distortion. I wonder if Ando will really just go back to Japan...

I remember the show's creator worrying about the potentially disproportional power of Hiro's. That's why they included the story about Hiro's attempt to save Charlie (but failing). I remember they wanted to let the audience know that there is a limit to Hiro's ability.

I wonder how many Sylar incidents Mohinder will need to realize he is traveling with Sylar. I guess any new evolved humans will get killed by Sylar until Mohinder realizes this.

Hong.

I got the impression that he needs to touch people's brains to understand and absorb their powers, kinda like his watch-fixing.


Yes, and my point is, this is true, AS FAR AS HE KNOWS.

How many times do I need to give the Issac example to show that people may not fully understand how their powers work????


AS FAR AS SYLAR KNOWS, he needs to kill. That may not be true.

As far as Issac knew early on, he needed heroin to paint the future. That ended up not being true. It is not implausible that the writers could have written Sylar to be able to gain powers others way, he just doesn't know yet.

Again, I am not saying there is another way. I am just making the point that AS FAR AS SYLAR KNOWS, he needs to kill. It may not be true.

I guess if Sylar could have reacted quicker he could have stopped Eden's bullet (and HRG's bullets too). After all, Peter was able to stop those tasers (makes me think Peter's stronger and faster). Then Sylar could have gotten Eden's voice.

Not necessarily. Peter knew what's coming for him since he saw Claude go down. He had time to prepare himself where as Sylar wasn't expecting either.

BTW, was that distance between Peter and the Haitian close enough to absorb his power? :p

Hong.

I forgot about the bullet. I had assumed it was Ando, or another hero nearby because a time reversal wouldn't have made the bullet knock the gun back out of her hand - it would have also reversed the combustion.

Maybe I saw that scene wrong, but it didn't look like a simple time reversal.

I forgot about the bullet. I had assumed it was Ando, or another hero nearby because a time reversal wouldn't have made the bullet knock the gun back out of her hand - it would have also reversed the combustion.

Maybe I saw that scene wrong, but it didn't look like a simple time reversal.Ando did have quite the stunned look on his face when the gun backfired. And it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he develops a power of his own. I don't think we've seen the last of him.

I forgot about the bullet. I had assumed it was Ando, or another hero nearby because a time reversal wouldn't have made the bullet knock the gun back out of her hand - it would have also reversed the combustion.

Maybe I saw that scene wrong, but it didn't look like a simple time reversal.


It looks as if Hiro can reverse time locally in a bubble as well as reversing time where the whole planet is involved. I can't seem to come up with any other explanation and I don't believe Ando has any powers at all. The show can get cheesy if every main character develops a power of some sorts..

I think in a show called "Heroes" about people with superpowers, it wouldn't be too far fetched for all the main characters to have some power.

I think in a show called "Heroes" about people with superpowers, it wouldn't be too far fetched for all the main characters to have some power.

I think Mr. Muggles should have a power...wouldn't it be funny if he/she was the most powerful hero? ;)

I guess if Sylar could have reacted quicker he could have stopped Eden's bullet (and HRG's bullets too). After all, Peter was able to stop those tasers (makes me think Peter's stronger and faster). Then Sylar could have gotten Eden's voice.Peter also has Hiro's ability to manipulate time. It's quite possible he used some combination of telekinesis and time slow.

I suspect in order to use telekinesis, they've got to actually focus on the object, and that may not be possible at a bullet's normal speed.

I think Mr. Muggles should have a power...wouldn't it be funny if he/she was the most powerful hero? ;)Yeah, baby....bring on Frank the Pug.

I think in a show called "Heroes" about people with superpowers, it wouldn't be too far fetched for all the main characters to have some power.


Well, I just think all of them getting powers would be to cheesy. There is a long list and we have seen quite a few powers already that are familiar to us from X-Men and DC comics except for the melting of metal which is new to me. A Peter vs Sylar fight is definately going to happen again, and what is interesting is that Sylar can fly using his telekenetic powers however I don't feel he can match Peters speed while flying. I think Sylar is going to kill and get Nathans power some time in the future in order to make a "Matrix Reloaded" type of fight happen in the sky..What I don't understand is why didn't the Haitian erase Sylars memory completly and make him harmless... That would have been the first thing I would have done if I was Bennet..
I super-hero cat would be a funny twist now wouldn't it. ;)

Yeah, I kind of had the feeling he was about to go darkside, or something.

After the last few episodes, I keep getting the feeling that we're seeing Peter go through an Anakin Skywalker type transition here--a good hero who becomes mad with power (abilities). We're assuming he's going to save the world, but we also know he is the cause of the world's end. The Dark Side of the Force is powerful indeed....

Peter also has Hiro's ability to manipulate time. It's quite possible he used some combination of telekinesis and time slow.I think you're right. That makes a lot of sense. Since he was showing off all his powers. I'm gonna have to watch the episode again.

But I don't think he's turning evil. Just that he hasn't been able to sleep and is worried that he will be responsible for the death of millions and doesn't want to die or kill himself either. I think anyone would go crazy in his situation. Especially considering how much he cares for the well being of others. More so than his own life. Remember him saving Claire even tho he thought he was going to die? Maybe Simone getting shot because of him will get him back on track to saving the world again.

Catch up with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28TV_series%29

that'll work, thanks TeeJay...

We're assuming he's going to save the world, but we also know he is the cause of the world's end.Really? The world ends because of Peter? :rolleyes: I think all we've seen is that Peter is having visions of himself exploding. Was Simone in those visions? We don't know what's going to happen.

Really? The world ends because of Peter? :rolleyes: I think all we've seen is that Peter is having visions of himself exploding. Was Simone in those visions? We don't know what's going to happen.When I saw those visions, I always imagined the cause was his inability to control the powers from "radiation man," whom I presumed was with him, as every other hero seemed to be. Clearly it was no coincidence that 5+ heroes were in the same place at the same time, so there was some sort of gathering going on, perhaps to stop Sylar in New York. At the rate Sylar is gaining new abilities with Mohinder's help, before long he'll be quite the villain.

In fact, I would not be surprised if HRG explains about Sylar next week and one or more of the others agree to join his cause in some way.

Well, that sucks. The writers chose to knock off perhaps the most attractive exotically beautiful woman on a series today. Let's hope Hiro can bring her back. Or maybe she survives that shot?

But they kept the blondes and got rid of Missi Pyle!

I feel like I won the lottery!!!!!

After the last few episodes, I keep getting the feeling that we're seeing Peter go through an Anakin Skywalker type transition here--a good hero who becomes mad with power (abilities). We're assuming he's going to save the world, but we also know he is the cause of the world's end. The Dark Side of the Force is powerful indeed....

I've just been catching up on this thread since 2/14 and I'm glad to see someone finally say it.

When we watched this episode last night and simone died, I said to my wife, "uh oh, Peter's going to go all Anakin on us now." He was already becoming a little drunk with power, Simone's death is a catalyst for more.

Btw, excellent reading in this thread, guys. It reminds me of the old days of the Lost thread. Good stuff.

Some thoughts:

Loved the Stan Lee cameo

Was that Dawber from "Coach" playing the NGC guy? :D

Agree with the "Mohinder is being really stupid" chatter. I can't tell if he's being written that way, or if the actor playing him is just that poor...guess it could be both. I really really really doubt that he is "playing" Sylar though.

I was sort of baffled by Hiro's "localized time-shift" too. It was not consistant with his power usage as shown previously, that's for sure.

Love that "Wireless" girl. Very sexy and with a great accent and outfit. Hope she stays around awhile, but I doubt it. I think she's a short-termer, like Eden.

Really? The world ends because of Peter? :rolleyes: I think all we've seen is that Peter is having visions of himself exploding. Was Simone in those visions? We don't know what's going to happen.

Yes, she was in those visions, with Isaac.

Was that Dawber from "Coach" playing the NGC guy? :D



Yup, good ol' Patrick Star. ;)

I think Mr. Muggles should have a power...wouldn't it be funny if he/she was the most powerful hero? ;)

"I must save the world....but first I have to pee...."

I wonder how many Sylar incidents Mohinder will need to realize he is traveling with Sylar. I guess any new evolved humans will get killed by Sylar until Mohinder realizes this.

Hong.

I'm having a hard time figuring out who the bigger idiot is: Sylar or Mohinder. Why doesn't Sylar just take Mohinder's list? He's obviously got one printed up. How many corpses will have to pile up before Mohinder gets a clue? :-)

Btw, excellent reading in this thread, guys. It reminds me of the old days of the Lost thread. Good stuff.



Moment of Silence For the Old Days of the Lost Thread.....

I think Hiro, faced with a bullet coming straight for his head, despeartely lashed out with his power and was able to focus it so much that he reversed the bullet only, which caused the gun to do something like a backfire (the bullet in the barrel). It seems more plausible that he can reverse just the bullet then it is that another hero happens to be there that can do something similiar, etc.

I am dying to find out how Peter gets a scar if he can obviously heal himself. And even if his healing power is blocked or something, then when he gets it back he should heal it. They are also using that scar moment, I believe, to change Peter's hair. He has always said that he hates his hair and that he wants to shave it off or do something and he worked with the creators to come up with something that would explain why it had to happen and he was happy with the results. I can't wait for that episode, what can cause him to get a scar if he can heal? Should be interesting!!!

Agree with the "Mohinder is being really stupid" chatter. I can't tell if he's being written that way, or if the actor playing him is just that poor...guess it could be both. I really really really doubt that he is "playing" Sylar though.

I think Mohinder knows more than most people here think he does.

I am dying to find out how Peter gets a scar if he can obviously heal himself. And even if his healing power is blocked or something, then when he gets it back he should heal it. They are also using that scar moment, I believe, to change Peter's hair. He has always said that he hates his hair and that he wants to shave it off or do something and he worked with the creators to come up with something that would explain why it had to happen and he was happy with the results. I can't wait for that episode, what can cause him to get a scar if he can heal? Should be interesting!!!

I read somewhere (can't remember where off the top of my head) that it was the producers who had a problem with the hair as it was causing continuity issues when editing. They asked him to cut it, and he agreed as long as they let him shave it off. I'll try to find the article....

I think Mohinder knows more than most people here think he does.

If that is the case, he is tremendously irresponsible then by letting a murder happen like that.

Moment of Silence For the Old Days of the Lost Thread.....

Indeed...

poor Lost..... might be canceled as well... not to mention the story has gotten so confusing

Wasn't Niki (or rather Jessica) supposed to murder Nathan? She doesn't strike me as a procrastinator.

poor Lost..... might be canceled as well... not to mention the story has gotten so confusing

Not a chance. LOST makes a lot of money for ABC. Unless ratings absolutely tank, it will go at least 4 seasons and probably 5. And I've been having a lot harder time following the story and character motivations for 'Heroes' than LOST, but that's just me.

I think Hiro, faced with a bullet coming straight for his head, despeartely lashed out with his power and was able to focus it so much that he reversed the bullet only, which caused the gun to do something like a backfire (the bullet in the barrel). It seems more plausible that he can reverse just the bullet then it is that another hero happens to be there that can do something similiar, etc.

Or the producers of the show don't really understand how reversing the bullet like that is not the same as reversing time...

I'm having a hard time figuring out who the bigger idiot is: Sylar or Mohinder. Why doesn't Sylar just take Mohinder's list? He's obviously got one printed up. How many corpses will have to pile up before Mohinder gets a clue? :-)

Sylar just loves the game of scamming Mohinder. He is just plain evil. He will kill mohinder as soon as he tires of the fun.

ratings for lost are hitting an all time low but i also think ABC will stick with it

ratings for lost are hitting an all time low but i also think ABC will stick with it

I agree. Even if its only one more season to wrap things up.

IMHO Andro is Hiro's sword. (if an inanimate object can give you power why not a person?)
Hiro seems to lose power without Andro present.

Peter also has Hiro's ability to manipulate time. It's quite possible he used some combination of telekinesis and time slow.

I suspect in order to use telekinesis, they've got to actually focus on the object, and that may not be possible at a bullet's normal speed.

Maybe the gun fired at Hiro was at the same moment the gun was fired at Peter and it was Peter's use of Hiro's power that saved Hiro's life?

Ando and Hiro remind me of C3PO and R2D2. They're the comic relief and always getting into trouble. Something will be missing from the show if Ando is really off the show.

IMHO Andro is Hiro's sword. (if an inanimate object can give you power why not a person?)
Hiro seems to lose power without Andro present.

That's a great theory and very likely. Nice work.

Not a chance. LOST makes a lot of money for ABC. Unless ratings absolutely tank, it will go at least 4 seasons and probably 5. And I've been having a lot harder time following the story and character motivations for 'Heroes' than LOST, but that's just me.

If by "character motivations" you're implying the acting, then I really agree. Lost is in another league in quality of acting.

I still love Heroes, but it's definitely more light-hearted fare than Lost is.

If that is the case, he is tremendously irresponsible then by letting a murder happen like that.

I don't think he's got it all figured out yet. That said, personally, I think he already senses that something isn't quite right with "Zane", even if he isn't letting on to it, or it hasn't been disclosed to us. And in the off chance he did know what might happen, there's the remote possibility that his motives aren't entirely altruistic, anyway. Granted, all impressions indicate that they are, right now.

Something to also consider is that even if he knows/finds out, what would he do? Confront Sylar? Sounds like a sure way to become his next victim. He'd have to be more cunning than that.

I think we'll find out how much Suresh knows or see him figuring things out in the next episode or two. From the viewers' perspective, things seems to line up sometimes obviously, but from Mohinder's point, it's not neccesarily so clear, in their short time together, though that seems to be changing. Watching Mohinder arrive at the hotel and pause as he and Sylar departed was foreshadowing, IMO.

I'm not sure I entirely buy the idea that Mohinder is leading Sylar right to all these folks and ensuring their demise. If we believe that the apartment in NY was Sylar's, he already had a map of his own, nearly identical to Chandra's and with what appar to be more pins and connections between them. So, he's already got a base from which to work. Yes, Sylar is most likely with Mohinder to help fill in the blanks as Mohinder carries on his father's work and moves it forward. However, I don't think Sylar is being provided with information/people/connections he hadn't already surmised. Yet.

As further substantiation of Mohinder's possible knowledge, don't forget the "Sylar/Patient Zero" cassette found in said apartment. Is something on it ringing true to "Zane Taylor"? I guess that's what I'm waiting to see...

I'm not sure I entirely buy the idea that Mohinder is leading Sylar right to all these folks and ensuring their demise. If we believe that the apartment in NY was Sylar's, he already had a map of his own, nearly identical to Chandra's and with what appar to be more pins and connections between them. So, he's already got a base from which to work. Yes, Sylar is most likely with Mohinder to help fill in the blanks as Mohinder carries on his father's work and moves it forward. However, I don't think Sylar is being provided with information/people/connections he hadn't already surmised. Yet.



Sylar lost that base...Eden told HRG about it and they cleaned it out. When Mohinder returned the apartment was empty.

Now if he'd absorbed Charlie's power BEFORE that happened, then he would remember every detail of the list/map...but he didn't.

Sylar lost that base...Eden told HRG about it and they cleaned it out. When Mohinder returned the apartment was empty.

Now if he'd absorbed Charlie's power BEFORE that happened, then he would remember every detail of the list/map...but he didn't.

You're are right. Though I'm not certain how much of Sylar's mind was "cleaned out" . Enough to not still have some residual memory or understanding of what he'd figured out before he was taken by the Haitian?

You're are right. Though I'm not certain how much of Sylar's mind was "cleaned out" . Enough to not still have some residual memory or understanding of what he'd figured out before he was taken by the Haitian?

Sorry I was referring to his physical apartment that Mohinder and Eden stumbled upon. I don't think HRG or his crew cleaned out his memory at all. The powers that be wanted him 'studied'. They only wipe memories of Heroes after they've been studied and 'released' back into the wild (albeit with tracking isotopes). They never intended to release Sylar, just study him.


What I meant was that if he had perfect recall like Charlie, he would have a photographic recall of his map/list from his apartment. But he didn't take Charlie's power until after that apartment had been looted by HRG and his crew.

Sorry I was referring to his physical apartment that Mohinder and Eden stumbled upon. I don't think HRG or his crew cleaned out his memory at all. The powers that be wanted him 'studied'. They only wipe memories of Heroes after they've been studied and 'released' back into the wild (albeit with tracking isotopes). They never intended to release Sylar, just study him.


What I meant was that if he had perfect recall like Charlie, he would have a photographic recall of his map/list from his apartment. But he didn't take Charlie's power until after that apartment had been looted by HRG and his crew.

Ah, gotcha. I guess the question then becomes, how much of the map does Sylar recall or have an understanding of, in his mind/? During One Giant Leap Mohinder and Eden found the map, but it appeared that Sylar was developing an understanding of it, because it had many more connections and papers linked to several of them, than did Chandra's.

I guess it's possible that the answer is little to none. Which makes just as much sense. Either way, it would make sense that he follow Suresh, even if finding him seemed to be purely by chance.

Forgive me if this has seemed obvious to others--I just thought of it.

Hiro comes back to tell Peter--Save the Cheerleader, Save the World. I had always assumed that Claire was necessary to defeat Sylar, but what if Hiro had said that to Peter just to ensure that they were together in the same place at the same time, so Peter could absorb Claire's powers? Therefore, by saving Claire, Peter has given himself one of the best tools for fighting and defeating Sylar, and, thus, saving the world...

Forgive me if this has seemed obvious to others--I just thought of it.

Hiro comes back to tell Peter--Save the Cheerleader, Save the World. I had always assumed that Claire was necessary to defeat Sylar, but what if Hiro had said that to Peter just to ensure that they were together in the same place at the same time, so Peter could absorb Claire's powers? Therefore, by saving Claire, Peter has given himself one of the best tools for fighting and defeating Sylar, and, thus, saving the world...

That would work. Claire has been saved (at least for now). I don't see a direct connection between her life being spared and the world being saved, unless something (or exactly) what you suggest is the reason.

Thanks Iteki, but, I don't have time right now to get caught up. I tried viewing last night for the first time and nothing really made sense to me. I suppose I'm looking for a source that will condense everything and get me "up to speed" quickly.
Typical, no one has time for anything these days

Ah, gotcha. I guess the question then becomes, how much of the map does Sylar recall or have an understanding of, in his mind/?

If you read the online comic about Sylar's whereabouts from the Bennet residency to the Tayler residency, you might get some answers (that is Sylar's list from Papa Suresh).

Hong.

IMHO Andro is Hiro's sword. (if an inanimate object can give you power why not a person?)
Hiro seems to lose power without Andro present.I do happen to think Ando has a much bigger part to play than even he realizes. Time will tell.



After the last few episodes, I keep getting the feeling that we're seeing Peter go through an Anakin Skywalker type transition here--a good hero who becomes mad with power (abilities). We're assuming he's going to save the world, but we also know he is the cause of the world's end. The Dark Side of the Force is powerful indeed....I don't think he'll actually go Vader, but he's definitely developing an edge. It's time to kick butt first, and take names later. :mad:

I do happen to think Ando has a much bigger part to play than even he realizes. Time will tell.



I don't think he'll actually go Vader, but he's definitely developing an edge. It's time to kick butt first, and take names later. :mad:

Peter isn't exactly over the edge. It's not like he didn't have good reason to have issues with Issac as was mentioned previously.

It still looks like a Peter/Sylar confrontation is the most likely outcome with Peter representing the "good guys".

Peter isn't exactly over the edge. It's not like he didn't have good reason to have issues with Issac as was mentioned previously.

It still looks like a Peter/Sylar confrontation is the most likely outcome with Peter representing the "good guys".Agreed.

They are finally showing that Peter has (or is getting) a backbone, whereas he was pretty much a wimp before. It's been a gradual process as his confidence has improved. No one would believe that the "old" Peter had a chance against Siler, regardless of his abilities.

Mohinder's dad was right - he is an idiot.

Did HRG have the Haitian with him on the roof? If Peter picks up the Haitian's suppression power, the game is over between him and Sylar.

He seems to have Eden's voice. When did he encounter Eden?

Yes he was on the roof with him, he even had the IR goggles on and shot the teaser gun that Peter stopped. My question is how was Peter able to use his powers with the Haitian guy standing a few feet from him? I guess his suppression powers do not apply to Peter? Did I miss something?

Yes he was on the roof with him, he even had the IR goggles on and shot the teaser gun that Peter stopped. My question is how was Peter able to use his powers with the Haitian guy standing a few feet from him? I guess his suppression powers do not apply to Peter? Did I miss something?

Obviously the Haitian wasn't using his powers, or else they wouldn't have been invisible in the first place. ;)

Yes he was on the roof with him, he even had the IR goggles on and shot the teaser gun that Peter stopped. My question is how was Peter able to use his powers with the Haitian guy standing a few feet from him? I guess his suppression powers do not apply to Peter? Did I miss something?

Does the Hiatian guy (one of these days we have to fine out his real name!) actually have to touch someone to block the memories? I know there have be a few scenes where he has done that.

If physical contact is required, that would explain it.

Does the Hiatian guy (one of these days we have to fine out his real name!) actually have to touch someone to block the memories? I know there have be a few scenes where he has done that.

If physical contact is required, that would explain it.
Don't forget, he was able to supress the cops ability to read thoughts from a distance.

Don't forget, he was able to supress the cops ability to read thoughts from a distance.I suspect he may have to focus, just like any other hero must do to use their powers. Seems to me it might be hard to focus on something you can't actually see.

I suspect he may have to focus, just like any other hero must do to use their powers. Seems to me it might be hard to focus on something you can't actually see.
Except he could see them, since he was wearing IR goggles.

It looks like he just wasn't using his powers, maybe because they wanted to take Peter by surprise?

Yes he was on the roof with him, he even had the IR goggles on and shot the teaser gun that Peter stopped. My question is how was Peter able to use his powers with the Haitian guy standing a few feet from him? I guess his suppression powers do not apply to Peter? Did I miss something?

A. He was more than a few feet away, maybe there is a range limitation.
B. Maybe he wanted Peter to get away.
C. Wasn't Peter near him for a few minutes while being questioned in Texas? Maybe he has adopted the Haitian agent's power as well without realizing it.

My take is that Peter is not turning to the 'dark side', he is just very alienated right now by the feeling that everyone has turned against him, notably his brother, Simone and Isaac. Not to mention this lingering concern that he might explode and take most of New York with him. His idealism is gone, but that does not mean that he will be any less of a 'hero' when it matters.

He only needs to touch someone when he is erasing memories not when he wants to suppress powers. We have seen him suppress powers several times and he only needs to be in the vicinity. If they wanted to catch Peter wouldn't it make sense to use the suppress power so he couldn't be invisible or fly off the roof before they were even detected (instead of shooting taser guns).

A. He was more than a few feet away, maybe there is a range limitation.
B. Maybe he wanted Peter to get away.
C. Wasn't Peter near him for a few minutes while being questioned in Texas? Maybe he has adopted the Haitian agent's power as well without realizing it.

My take is that Peter is not turning to the 'dark side', he is just very alienated right now by the feeling that everyone has turned against him, notably his brother, Simone and Isaac. Not to mention this lingering concern that he might explode and take most of New York with him. His idealism is gone, but that does not mean that he will be any less of a 'hero' when it matters.

He was a lot closer than when he was blocking Mind Reading guy and he was completely off the screen when he was suppressing syler (when they captured him). Plus if he wasn't close enough than get closer, Peter and the other guy were busy fighting each other they never would have noticed.

Peter isn't exactly over the edge. It's not like he didn't have good reason to have issues with Issac as was mentioned previously.No, not over the edge, just getting an edge. As in starting to take charge.

Maybe his powers can only work on one person at a time. Maybe the paper company didn't want Peter to get the Haitian's skills (or for him to know he has them). Otherwise, he could just shut Sylar and any other hero down. Peter really is too powerful already.

Can he definitely suppress all powers? It seems like he has the ability to suppress mental skills like mind reading or persuasion but I don't think we've seen suppress physical skills.

Wasn't he there when Nathan flew away?

He only needs to touch someone when he is erasing memories not when he wants to suppress powers. We have seen him suppress powers several times and he only needs to be in the vicinity. If they wanted to catch Peter wouldn't it make sense to use the suppress power so he couldn't be invisible or fly off the roof before they were even detected (instead of shooting taser guns).

Does the Hiatian guy (one of these days we have to fine out his real name!) actually have to touch someone to block the memories? I know there have be a few scenes where he has done that.

If physical contact is required, that would explain it.

I thought they mentioned his name in this episode...of course, I can't remember it...but I thought they (HRG) did...

Can he definitely suppress all powers? It seems like he has the ability to suppress mental skills like mind reading or persuasion but I don't think we've seen suppress physical skills.

Wasn't he there when Nathan flew away?

Yup. And all he did was what Mr. Bennett did: looked up as Nathan made a vapor trail in his jammies.

FWIW, Sylar steals his powers from people brains (although I haven't seen him use any physical power yet) and the Haitian can damage people's brains. The Haitian can definitely block conscious thoughts like Matt's telepathy and Sylar's telekinesis. It's likely the heros with physical powers wouldn't have to think or concentrate under pressure situations, their minds just react subconsciously to the situation. Fight or flight.

I'm sure the writers went over the limits of the Haitian's abilities with a fine-toothed comb. Maybe over a game of Marvel HeroClix. That must have been a fun discussion to have been in on. As opposed to the discussion for D.L.'s powers. "Let's give him Kitty Pryde's power so he can open locks, escape from prison, and take a bullet in the head from his wife." "Umm, okay."

I'm having a hard time figuring out who the bigger idiot is: Sylar or Mohinder. Why doesn't Sylar just take Mohinder's list? He's obviously got one printed up. How many corpses will have to pile up before Mohinder gets a clue? :-)I think Sylar lacks serious people skills, so by hanging out with Mohinder they get introduced to each new person and most likely get a demo of their powers. Sylar would never be able to hook up with each one on his own, but rather he's only been able to stumble across those who seem to be blatant about using their powers (though that doesn't explain why he tracked down Claire…)

I think Sylar lacks serious people skills, so by hanging out with Mohinder they get introduced to each new person and most likely get a demo of their powers. Sylar would never be able to hook up with each one on his own, but rather he's only been able to stumble across those who seem to be blatant about using their powers (though that doesn't explain why he tracked down Claire…)

That's a fair explanation...lord knows how long he has to 'stakeout' someone before figuring out their power. Now Mohinder does the legwork for him. Ok.

Can he definitely suppress all powers? It seems like he has the ability to suppress mental skills like mind reading or persuasion but I don't think we've seen suppress physical skills.

Wasn't he there when Nathan flew away?

Yeah, somehow people suddenly think the Haitian can block all powers. He has never done that. He couldn't stop Nathan from flying, and actually couldn't stop Matt from reading minds. He still read their minds when on the table and when he tried so hard he got a nose bleed, but he still got a word out. I think the Haitian can just block mental abilities because it is related to his mental power.

I think Sylar lacks serious people skills…)

I would say that ANYONE who steals brains would have a problem getting a date :eek:

A lot of people forget that Ando HAS to go back to Japan because in a few days, when Hiro goes and visits Isaac he calls Ando in Japan. This all happened in the future in the beginning of the show. So doesn't this all mean that Ando actually has to go back to Japan then?

Yeah, somehow people suddenly think the Haitian can block all powers. He has never done that. He couldn't stop Nathan from flying, and actually couldn't stop Matt from reading minds. He still read their minds when on the table and when he tried so hard he got a nose bleed, but he still got a word out. I think the Haitian can just block mental abilities because it is related to his mental power.I interpret all the hero abilities as mental "powers."

HRG sent the Haitian after Sylar several times, without hesitation. From what I recall of the online comics, that he was able to single-handedly recapture Sylar after his initial escape attempt.

A lot of people forget that Ando HAS to go back to Japan because in a few days, when Hiro goes and visits Isaac he calls Ando in Japan. This all happened in the future in the beginning of the show. So doesn't this all mean that Ando actually has to go back to Japan then?
True, but we have to assume that the future can be changed. If it couldn't Simone wouldn't be dead because she was supposed to die in the "Peter-bomb." Plus it'd suck if the future HAD to come true, because we'd know that everyone's just going to die...

I would say that ANYONE who steals brains would have a problem getting a date :eek:
Great....there goes my pickup line...

"Hey, baby, I like a girl with a big brain..."

I don't think anyone has brought this up yet...

There was an explosion just before Hope showed up to shoot Hiro. Afterward, when they are arresting hope and the NGC guy, you see a car on fire. Are we just to assume that the car exploded as a result of the shoot out? Or is there some connection between the explosion and the bullet going back into the gun???

Just an observation.

I don't think anyone has brought this up yet...

There was an explosion just before Hope showed up to shoot Hiro. Afterward, when they are arresting hope and the NGC guy, you see a car on fire. Are we just to assume that the car exploded as a result of the shoot out? Or is there some connection between the explosion and the bullet going back into the gun???

Just an observation.

Nahh...probably just Hollywood explosives. Because we all know that cars are bombs on four wheels. Anytime a car is on fire or is shot at, it blows up right?

Assume the car exploded as a result of the shootout. There were more shots after the explosion before Hope came over to the bus. Neither Hope nor the NGC guy appeared to be great shots.

I was cracking up hearing about 50 rounds in the background and apparently nobody was hit. I pictured Leslie Nielson in "Police Squad" and a bad guy on opposite sides of the same dumpster firing at each other and missing.

I interpret all the hero abilities as mental "powers."

HRG sent the Haitian after Sylar several times, without hesitation. From what I recall of the online comics, that he was able to single-handedly recapture Sylar after his initial escape attempt.

True. I guess I should rephrase it as having to do exclusively with the mind (i.e. erasing memories stored in the mind). Since heroes appear to only have one power (with a couple exceptions) the rest are focused around that power. If he can erase memories, I don't think he can block all powers, just a power that has to do with mental capacity (i.e. reading minds).

I was cracking up hearing about 50 rounds in the background and apparently nobody was hit. I pictured Leslie Nielson in "Police Squad" and a bad guy on opposite sides of the same dumpster firing at each other and missing.

adding even more to that, how do you blow up a car with pistol fire? lol

Peter's powers are finally starting to show... I can't wait for Peter vs Sylar....it seems Peter is the only one that maybe able to compete with him.

adding even more to that, how do you blow up a car with pistol fire? lol
You obviously don't watch enough crappy movies:

Jack Slater: "I think the taxis are bulletproof." (Referring to the lack of an explosion when he shoots at a taxi).

:D One of my favorite guilty pleasure movies. So bad it's good.

adding even more to that, how do you blow up a car with pistol fire? lol
Did I just see a discussion on realistic physics/gunfire in a thread about a show where invisible, telekinetic people fly ? ;) :D

Did I just see a discussion on realistic physics/gunfire in a thread about a show where invisible, telekinetic people fly ? ;) :D
LOL!

I interpret all the hero abilities as mental "powers."

I somewhat agree.

I think I remember Mohinder or Papa Suresh talking about the abilities. I remember he said that the key was the "brain" and that the brain was what's controlling the genetic mutation (I don't remember which episode, though).

This is why I think Sylar can adapt himself by studying the brains and why the Haitian can immobilize other evolved humans (and why Peter can probably block the Haitian).

I do think there must be a range limitation and a time limitation which is needed for the Haitian to concentrate. Maybe Nathan surprised him (I don't think they knew what power Nathan had).

Hong.

I somewhat agree.

I think I remember Mohinder or Papa Suresh talking about the abilities. I remember he said that the key was the "brain" and that the brain was what's controlling the genetic mutation (I don't remember which episode, though).

This is why I think Sylar can adapt himself by studying the brains and why the Haitian can immobilize other evolved humans (and why Peter can probably block the Haitian).

I do think there must be a range limitation and a time limitation which is needed for the Haitian to concentrate. Maybe Nathan surprised him (I don't think they knew what power Nathan had).

Hong.

But again, they knew that Peter was going to be invisible yet he wasn't using his powers to "visiblize" (yeah I made it up) him. Why would they need the IR goggles in the first place if the Haitian can just keep them visible?

But again, they knew that Peter was going to be invisible yet he wasn't using his powers to "visiblize" (yeah I made it up) him. Why would they need the IR goggles in the first place if the Haitian can just keep them visible?

I'd think they would need the goggles initially to actually locate them. The haitian doesn't seem to be able to suppress abilities simply by being in the vicinity. It appears he has to make a conscience effort in order to do that. How would he be able to prevent them from using their abilities if he didnt even know where they were?

I was cracking up hearing about 50 rounds in the background and apparently nobody was hit. I pictured Leslie Nielson in "Police Squad" and a bad guy on opposite sides of the same dumpster firing at each other and missing.

Ha! And firing everything they could find and then throwing the weapons at each other as I remember.

Yep, I left that out cause it didn't apply, but it usually ended with them running out of bullets, throwing their guns at each other - then continuing to throw about a dozen empty guns at each other. :D

Are we sure it is the haitian doing the suppression and not some other method, i still think that might be a distraction. I don't equate wiping memory with suppressing powers, they seem different.

I'd think they would need the goggles initially to actually locate them. The haitian doesn't seem to be able to suppress abilities simply by being in the vicinity. It appears he has to make a conscience effort in order to do that. How would he be able to prevent them from using their abilities if he didnt even know where they were?

Are we sure it is the haitian doing the suppression and not some other method, i still think that might be a distraction. I don't equate wiping memory with suppressing powers, they seem different.I don't think his ability is really "suppression." I think it has more to do with impeding mental focus. And it just so happens that heroes can't use their abilities without that focus. We saw that Parkman was able to use his ability, just for an instant, but it took prolonged concentration, gave him a headache, and probably killed a few brain cells.

We don't know anything for sure, but his ability to impede others' abilities was certainly implied with several scenes. We do know that he can (or could) take Sylar solo, so whatever he can do, it's pretty powerful against heroes.

I agree that while many of the "powers" have physical manifestations, they are basically all mental abilities, at their core. At least everyone whose mind he has been able to "control". That would align with the notion that the Haitian's power isn't specifically suppression or memory "wiping", it's mental manipulation.

I agree that while many of the "powers" have physical manifestations, they are basically all mental abilities, at their core. At least everyone whose mind he has been able to "control". That would align with the notion that the Haitian's power isn't specifically suppression or memory "wiping", it's mental manipulation.

I agree, except for Claire. It doesn't appear she has to concentrate on healing - she was dead and sliced open on a table and was still able to heal herself. ;)

I agree, except for Claire. It doesn't appear she has to concentrate on healing - she was dead and sliced open on a table and was still able to heal herself. ;)

Only after the piece of wood was removed from her brain.

Only after the piece of wood was removed from her brain.
She was still dead. Can't really concentrate when you're dead.

She was still dead. Can't really concentrate when you're dead.

That is right, the piece was removed and she suddenly healed/came back from the dead. Her eyes where white then they go better. It definitely healed her without thinking about it.

I am trying to rack my brain around which hero is going to die on the show. Here are my thoughts:

According to E! on-line, a hero is definitely going to die and it is one that you would never expect because of their power. I am assuming then it has to be Claire, since we all feel she can'r really die. I have no idea who else it would be. Worse off, I can't figure out who I want it to be. I kind of like them all.

I am trying to rack my brain around which hero is going to die on the show. Here are my thoughts:

According to E! on-line, a hero is definitely going to die and it is one that you would never expect because of their power. I am assuming then it has to be Claire, since we all feel she can'r really die. I have no idea who else it would be. Worse off, I can't figure out who I want it to be. I kind of like them all.

Really? I wouldn't mind if it was Nikki. I don't like the character although it would have to happen AFTER Peter absorbs her power first. :)

She was still dead. Can't really concentrate when you're dead.

Well the theory as it was posed was that their power resided in their brains. You don't have to have a conscious thought to do something, most of our bodily functions are autonomous, such as breathing, our heartbeat, blinking, etc.

Really? I wouldn't mind if it was Nikki. I don't like the character although it would have to happen AFTER Peter absorbs her power first. :)

Not sure if it's really a spoiler if you're just guessing about what could happen. But in any case... I really hate her character, her family, and the entire storyline surrounding her. I wouldn't be sad in the slightest if she were to be killed, as long as her kid and husband could die at the same time. ;)

That is right, the piece was removed and she suddenly healed/came back from the dead. Her eyes where white then they go better. It definitely healed her without thinking about it.Keep in mind that your brain doesn't die when your heart stops beating. It keeps working until it is completely starved of oxygen, at which point brain death occurs. Complete brain death takes a long time, but most humans lose cognitive function after their brain is deprived of oxygen for 10-15 minutes. Many people who have "died" on the operating table [before they were revived] claim to have had various dreams while they were unconscious.

Claire's brain physiology is clearly different from our own, and we don't know what level of brain function is required for her ability to work. Clearly, she doesn't have to consciously think about healing.

Keep in mind that your brain doesn't die when your heart stops beating. It keeps working until it is completely starved of oxygen, at which point brain death occurs. Complete brain death takes a long time, but most humans lose cognitive function after their brain is deprived of oxygen for 10-15 minutes. Many people who have "died" on the operating table [before they were revived] claim to have had various dreams while they were unconscious.

Claire's brain physiology is clearly different from our own, and we don't know what level of brain function is required for her ability to work. Clearly, she doesn't have to consciously think about healing.


[MOD EDIT] Grey's Anatomy SPOILER: Just ask Meredith Grey ;) She was dead yet still 'alive' in some sense for almost 2 hours lol.

Not sure if it's really a spoiler if you're just guessing about what could happen. But in any case... I really hate her character, her family, and the entire storyline surrounding her. I wouldn't be sad in the slightest if she were to be killed, as long as her kid and husband could die at the same time. ;)

I think these are all spoliers because the site said it WOULD happen.

Well, if I had to pick, I guess I would pick Nikki, unless they change it so its not the stupid split personality, more just an ass kicker. But the site the said this would happen said it would be Claire. Well, she said you can tell by the discussion thread who it was and when I looked at the discussion thread it was all about Claire.

did anyone get another Wonderfalls flashback with the mounted fish in the Montana garage?

So tonight's episode aired a bit early in Canada (yesterday) - and wow is it awesome. Make sure you're watching tonight! :D

So tonight's episode aired a bit early in Canada (yesterday) - and wow is it awesome. Make sure you're watching tonight! :D

Is it shown in HD? The only prefeed I found is in SD :(

I'll stick to watching it without commercials in HD.

Is it shown in HD? The only prefeed I found is in SD :(

I'll stick to watching it without commercials in HD.

Yes it was shown in HD last night.

So tonight's episode aired a bit early in Canada (yesterday) - and wow is it awesome. Make sure you're watching tonight! :D

Wow is right, that was awesome.

Great episode. I'm glad he really was a good guy.

best episode yet!!

So, Hiro's dad has more of a backstory. Cool.

Other than this being the best episode so far (I agree), the special effects of the crispy critter Claire were awesome.

Wow! what an amazing episode!! This just keeps getting better and better.

-Pete

Best episode yet!

All I can say is WOW!

Looks like Tim Kring learned a few lessons in what no to do from Lost. Hey, they even use a few backstories! Got to say they could have done a better makeup job making people look younger, HRG look the same - minus the glasses.

Amazing episode. Seeing little Hiro was cool.

Since Ted is captured, how will Peter meet him and absorb his powers?

Fantastic episode. HRG is rapidly becoming one of the best TV bad guys since Sloane on early Alias.

That was a great hour of exciting, dramatic and downright cool television.

Outstanding episode, probably the best so far, and it certainly advanced the story, or at least made a lot of it more clear. Really glad to see HRG was not the 'evil sleaze ball' he appeared to be. I was intrigued by the highlights for next week with Sylar.
It appeared that he was under the control of Mohinder, is it possible that Mohinder has figured it out and will save himself??

Outstanding episode, probably the best so far, and it certainly advanced the story, or at least made a lot of it more clear. Really glad to see HRG was not the 'evil sleaze ball' he appeared to be.

well he did plug his friend three times, so it wasn't all good! :)

well he did plug his friend three times, so it wasn't all good! :)
Point taken. I was really thinking in terms of his dealings with Claire, it seems the rest of his actions were part of his history prior to his adopting Claire. It appears she changed him. He took a bullet to save her from 'his boss'. That says to me he isn't ALL bad, but your right, he has some disturbing history for sure.

Great episode,
my recorder quit right when the haitian plugged HRG on the bridge, can someone fill me in on what happened after that?

That was it. Claire cried as the Haitian put his hand on her fathers head...To be continued.

That was it. Claire cried as the Haitian put his hand on her fathers head...To be continued.

thanks I'll look forward to next week..

Yes it was shown in HD last night.

What station shows it?

EDIT: Nevermind...found it. Global.

well he did plug his friend three times, so it wasn't all good! :)

Was it just me or did it seem like HRG wasn't trying to pull the trigger, it almost seemed like he was shocked that the gun fired? Something about the scene seemed funny, it did appear that he was doing it on purpose after the third shot, but something just seemed strange about the first two shots.

Was it just me or did it seem like HRG wasn't trying to pull the trigger, it almost seemed like he was shocked that the gun fired? Something about the scene seemed funny, it did appear that he was doing it on purpose after the third shot, but something just seemed strange about the first two shots.
I noticed that too. At first I thought someone invisible had pulled the trigger for him and I was expecting him to react. It did look like there was 'something amiss' with the shooting.

Looks like Tim Kring learned a few lessons in what no to do from Lost. Hey, they even use a few backstories! Got to say they could have done a better makeup job making people look younger, HRG look the same - minus the glasses.Hear, hear! How about that - creating new mysteries while solving old ones in less than 2.5 seasons? It can be done! Who knows if we'll be singing the same song in 2 seasons, but it's nice to have something to look forward to (at least as far as TV). I'll accept the lack of good makeup if the writing keeps up.

best episode I've seen to date!

Great episode! I remember the first episode I ever saw. Sylar was stalking a little girl the police were protecting in the basement of the police station. Who was that little girl and what happened to her? I must have missed that episode.

Quality Entertainment tonight ;)

Was it just me or did it seem like HRG wasn't trying to pull the trigger, it almost seemed like he was shocked that the gun fired? Something about the scene seemed funny, it did appear that he was doing it on purpose after the third shot, but something just seemed strange about the first two shots.

Yeah I know what you mean. The first shot seemed almost accidental like he fired too early and the second was the same. After that he obviously just thought screw it.

Unless of course there was also a young Persuasion Girl hiding in the car as a fail safe by the company and she made him shoot. Hmmm ...

Aside from HBO's Rome, I haven't seen anything on TV recently that rivals last night's episode.

Point taken. I was really thinking in terms of his dealings with Claire, it seems the rest of his actions were part of his history prior to his adopting Claire. It appears she changed him. He took a bullet to save her from 'his boss'. That says to me he isn't ALL bad, but your right, he has some disturbing history for sure.

I get what you were saying, that's why he makes me think of Sloane from Alias. Sloane would follow orders to the letter and kill whoever was necessary in the interests of his organization, but would risk his own life for his wife. HRG feels the same way about Claire. He was willing to sell out his wife but would do anything he could to protect Claire.

Plus if this episode had totally redeemed him, HRG wouldn't be as interesting.

Past cynicism gone. :o :o Holy S**t! I was nervous and scared, laughed and cried. That was the best of this show period. It really opened and explained so much in one powerful episode. The intensity of drama in this episode was on par with my all time favorite show, Deadwood. I am a believer now. If only all tv would be like this. Good bye sitcoms, reality tv and all the other crap. This was that good. :eek:

wow that was one helluva an episode!!! Next weeks episode looks damn good too.

Why can't we have more shows like this? (ahem take a few lessons LOST writers/suits!)

Since Ted is captured, how will Peter meet him and absorb his powers?Does he need to? It's been said that Peter's implosion would be because of his inability to control the powers he's absorbed, not because of Ted's powers per se. Remember a few weeks back when Claude had to knock Peter out when he started to lose it?

I thought the FBI had Ted and Peter in the same building at the same time.

Recap from point HRG got shot:

HRG to Haitain dude - "Go deep. Take anything that would lead them to her."
Claire hugs HRG - Sobs
HRG - "I love you Claire-bear"
Haitain places his hand over HRG's head

To be continued...

Next Monday...
Mohinder holding big needle to Sylar "Its going to hurt"
Narrator "This is it the episode that leads you to the final chapters"
Shot Hiro and Ando on Simone's rooftop
Shot of Claire getting out of car
Simone "Do you want to shoot me again?" Opening bloody coat.
Shot of Issac in shock and HRG
"As a new hero arrives"
Shot of HRG's new partner (woman from lab where Matt was tied down)
Woman to HRG "You do remember assignments don't you?"
"Another fills his destiny."
Hiro gets his sword
Shots of Peter, Issac, Nikki, and Nathan
Nathan punches Nikki
"Meet the man behind it all"
Shot of back of Linderman's head

Spiderman 3 sneak preview next week.

Thankfully they got rid of the vista windows

Dang Simone's a hero too. I think Peter got his dreams power from Simone's dad.

Well, if Simone isn't dead, then we got lied to, because someone (and I'm not counting Dale) was supposed to die in that episode. Not that I'm upset, of course.

wow that was one helluva an episode!!! Next weeks episode looks damn good too.

Why can't we have more shows like this? (ahem take a few lessons LOST writers/suits!)

While I agree in general that Heroes in season 1 is far more interesting than Lost season 3 (or 2 for that matter), to be fair, Lost was pretty damn good in season 1. Let's just see how Heroes holds up after multiple seasons. I'll be there watching though!

He has gray hair...


My guess is Donald Sutherland..


Jack's real dad...


Charlie

My guess is Donald Sutherland..

That was my first thought too.

my guess its the Architect from the Matrix....i swear he wrote this code

While I agree in general that Heroes in season 1 is far more interesting than Lost season 3 (or 2 for that matter), to be fair, Lost was pretty damn good in season 1. Let's just see how Heroes holds up after multiple seasons. I'll be there watching though!


thats what i am afraid of too... after introducing them, where do they go from here.... ala Hulk tv show or Justice League...

but then again with writing like this, all i can think of is awesome episodes...


last nights episode was by far the best but next weeks is even better.... if you think this episode was good... next week will blow you away

He has gray hair...


My guess is Donald Sutherland..


Jack's real dad...


Charlie
I thought it kind of looked like Mohinder's dad. Maybe he wasn't actually killed by Sylar. :confused:

Also, has anybody noticed how much that same rooftop in NY shows up? Wasn't that Simones dads apartment? Maybe he really isn't dead and has something to do with all this.

They seem to have increased the special effects budget.

Awesome episode, stunning. My mouth nearly hit the floor when Claire walked out of her house, all fried up. That was so freaking cool. Tonight is proof why this is the best show on TV.

He has gray hair...


My guess is Donald Sutherland..


Jack's real dad...


Charlie

They showed the side of his face with a beared. His face looked to 'thick' to be Donald. I've been wrong many many times before though.

its the freaking Architect from the Matrix..... he wrote the code

Excellent episode. One question. At the end with Parkman on the table, Hana was in the room, did she double cross Ted, to get him captured and expose HRG for hiding Claire or did she just infiltrate the operation?

I completely disagree. This was an aweful episode...very disappointing!

If a mother witnessed her teenage daughter getting shot, the mother would go nuts! Wouldn't she? Claires mother has no idea that she can regenerate herelf, so why wasn't the mohter more, MUCH more upset!

Totally pretentious.

nc

I completely disagree. This was an aweful episode...very disappointing!

If a mother witnessed her teenage daughter getting shot, the mother would go nuts! Wouldn't she? Claires mother has no idea that she can regenerate herelf, so why wasn't the mohter more, MUCH more upset!

Totally pretentious.

nc

There's always one in the bunch, right? Too funny. :)


Absolutely GREAT episode. Hereos rocks! Focusing on 1 smaller group of heroes, instead of all of them, seemd to really increase the drama and tension. I was glued to the screen last night.

I completely disagree. This was an aweful episode...very disappointing!

If a mother witnessed her teenage daughter getting shot, the mother would go nuts! Wouldn't she? Claires mother has no idea that she can regenerate herelf, so why wasn't the mohter more, MUCH more upset!

Totally pretentious.

nc


wow ... for one scene.... you judge the rest... wow...

I think Claude (invisible man) pulled the trigger on Claires father while the Haitian was holding the gun. Same bridge that he shot Claude.

seeing as it's a show about people with superpowers who bend time, fly, turn invisible ect.
realisim doesn't exactly play in to the equasion.

I completely disagree. This was an aweful episode...very disappointing!

If a mother witnessed her teenage daughter getting shot, the mother would go nuts! Wouldn't she? Claires mother has no idea that she can regenerate herelf, so why wasn't the mohter more, MUCH more upset!

Totally pretentious.

nc

She had just returned from the hospital after collapsing - after all the tests and god only knows what drugs being pumped into her, then seeing strange men in her house and her daughter shot, she was probably in shock.

Biggest question last night..... what happened with the first shot by HRG at Claude? Clearly, Mr. Bennet was surprised by it, but then kind of "got into the mood" and pumped a few more into him. And I thought from their conversation in the car that HRG was going to let Claude go.....? If Claude actually thought HRG was going to plug him, wouldn't he simply have turned invisible and gone on the lam when they got out of the car? Is there another invisible person that was secretly in the car with them and who actually pulled the trigger on the first shot? And does Claude also have Claire's ability to heal? He seemed to have suffered no ill effects from those chest shots... Basically, none of that scene really rang true to me. Either they deliberately planted a bunch of red herrings or....and this is going to hurt....the writing just, um, sucks.

And what's with the Eric Roberts character? How does he get to get the head of this big secret organization if he's such a hothead? He comes into the Bennet house and just starts blasting away with no thought of the consequences.....? WTF?!

I'm curious who Haitian guy was talking about when he told HRG that he was answering to someone more important in Claire's life than HRG. Or did I misunderstand that conversation?

I think Claude (invisible man) pulled the trigger on Claires father while the Haitian was holding the gun. Same bridge that he shot Claude.

No. Remember that HRG told the Haitian where to shoot him so that
1) He wouldn't die (but 2 inches higher would kill him.) and.....
2) There would be a plausible explanation for the escape of the Haitian and Claire.

Biggest question last night..... what happened with the first shot by HRG at Claude? Clearly, Mr. Bennet was surprised by it, but then kind of "got into the mood" and pumped a few more into him. And I thought from their conversation in the car that HRG was going to let Claude go.....? If Claude actually thought HRG was going to plug him, wouldn't he simply have turned invisible and gone on the lam when they got out of the car? Is there another invisible person that was secretly in the car with them and who actually pulled the trigger on the first shot? And does Claude also have Claire's ability to heal? He seemed to have suffered no ill effects from those chest shots... Basically, none of that scene really rang true to me. Either they deliberately planted a bunch of red herrings or....and this is going to hurt....the writing just, um, sucks.



I think it was an implanted memory by the Haitian and that was where the splice was between the real and implanted memory. Same bridge as Claire. I think the Haitian was the one that the Invisible Man was protecting.

So how come Claire's hair did not burn yet her clothes did. I thnk the hair would go before cloth.

LOL!

I think it was an implanted memory by the Haitian and that was where the splice was between the real and implanted memory. Same bridge as Claire. I think the Haitian was the one that the Invisible Man was protecting.

Interesting..... but has it been determined that the Hatian can actually implant memories as well as simply remove them? Don't remember that being mentioned...

Amazing episode. Seeing little Hiro was cool.

Since Ted is captured, how will Peter meet him and absorb his powers?

Peter has already met him and absorbed his power a while ago.
-Evangelo2

And I thought from their conversation in the car that HRG was going to let Claude go.....? If Claude actually thought HRG was going to plug him, wouldn't he simply have turned invisible and gone on the lam when they got out of the car? That's what happens when you don't let fiction be fiction ! :D To be honest, I thought the same thing. As soon as HRG pulled the gun out, if I were the invisible man, I'd have disappeared.

Another thing I thought was strange was they showed Claire regenerating right in front of neighbors who had gathered on the street in front of their house. These people were standing not far behind Claire's mom and dad and she was walking straight at them. I would think somebody would've noticed.

As for the Lost comparisons, I think Heroes is an awesome show just like Lost. Yes, I'm one of those who have no gripes with Lost and love it now as much as the first season. No matter how good Heroes truly remains, the gripes will start and they'll just keep growing. Once the newness wears off, the critics will start to come out. By Heroes third season I predict the posts on this thread will begin to sound very similar to the Lost thread. After all, Heroes had a hiatus very similar to Lost's, but there wasn't nearly the same amount of complaining about it.

I'm curious who Haitian guy was talking about when he told HRG that he was answering to someone more important in Claire's life than HRG. Or did I misunderstand that conversation? I presumed it meant that although the Haitian worked for/with HRG, he still has to take orders from HRG's "boss", for instance. Who that is, I don't know... Linderman ?? I thought the Eric Roberts character at first, but that doesn't seem likely now.

Just thought that it could be Nathan, but Nathan really didn't know that Claire lived, so that won't work.

Another thing I thought was strange was they showed Claire regenerating right in front of neighbors who had gathered on the street in front of their house. These people were standing not far behind Claire's mom and dad and she was walking straight at them. I would think somebody would've noticed. Yeah, that would be hard to explain, now wouldn't it ??

Also, how did the Primatech people get Ted and Parkman back to their "labs" ??

stop spoiling the previews please....I work hard at not watching them all week...they totally ruin this (and other) great shows...please use the spoiler tags

Awesome episode...

My only gripe is, where did Eric Roberts come from at the end of the episode? How was he alerted to the house so quickly?

Loved the back-story...it was great seeing little Hiro

Other than the flashback scenes being in black& White, did anyone else see the effect of like skipped frames or quick zooms in and out? I think it was when the cop heard the others thoughts. Just was very subtle, and I was wondering if I was just seeing things :)

nc

Other than the flashback scenes being in black& White, did anyone else see the effect of like skipped frames or quick zooms in and out? I think it was when the cop heard the others thoughts. Just was very subtle, and I was wondering if I was just seeing things :)

nc

no I noticed the quick-zooms....cool effects

I caught those quick edits all happening when Parkman was hearing thoughts, nashvillecat. I also saw alot of pixelation during Ted's meltdown though, that I don't think was intentional.

Biggest question last night..... what happened with the first shot by HRG at Claude? Clearly, Mr. Bennet was surprised by it, but then kind of "got into the mood" and pumped a few more into him. And I thought from their conversation in the car that HRG was going to let Claude go.....? If Claude actually thought HRG was going to plug him, wouldn't he simply have turned invisible and gone on the lam when they got out of the car? Is there another invisible person that was secretly in the car with them and who actually pulled the trigger on the first shot? And does Claude also have Claire's ability to heal? He seemed to have suffered no ill effects from those chest shots... Basically, none of that scene really rang true to me. Either they deliberately planted a bunch of red herrings or....and this is going to hurt....the writing just, um, sucks.

And what's with the Eric Roberts character? How does he get to get the head of this big secret organization if he's such a hothead? He comes into the Bennet house and just starts blasting away with no thought of the consequences.....? WTF?!
I took it that the gun just had a hair trigger - HRG may not have meant to pull it initially but knew that he had to, which is why he kept shooting. And if there was an invisible person doing the shooting, don't you think HRG would've felt the force on his finger?

And were we watching the same show? Claude was obviously in pain from the shots - what makes you think he suffered no "ill effects"???

I presumed it meant that although the Haitian worked for/with HRG, he still has to take orders from HRG's "boss", for instance. Who that is, I don't know... Linderman ?? I thought the Eric Roberts character at first, but that doesn't seem likely now.

Just thought that it could be Nathan, but Nathan really didn't know that Claire lived, so that won't work.

The Haitian stressed that it wasn't someone more important in the "Company", but more important in "Claire's life"...family/friend. I think it was HRG himself that told the haitian never wipe Claire's memory and guide her on how to deal with being different. Then had the Haitian make him forget, for plausible deniability.

As to the whole Linderman thing, I think Linderman is Nathan and Peter Petrellis real father. It has already been said that Mr. Petrelli was working with Linderman, and when Nathan was going to take Linderman to trial their father would go down too...and surprisingly enough, Mr. Petrelli died, by suicide. But we only have Nathans word on that. I think he faked his death and I think Linderman is his alias.

This theory would also explain why the Haitian is protecting Claire. When Haitian guy told HRG that he was answering to someone more important in Claire's life than HRG, he was in reality working for Claires GRANDFATHER. And Linderman giving (if he was able to choose who received what power) Claire total healing power makes sense if he is her Grandfather.

And were we watching the same show? Claude was obviously in pain from the shots - what makes you think he suffered no "ill effects"???

I think he meant no long term ill effects since we have seen him hanging out with Peter obvioously alive and well. Aside from the gunshots he appeared to fall off ther bridge (although they didn't show for sure). Either likely should've killed him.

I think he meant no long term ill effects since we have seen him hanging out with Peter obvioously alive and well. Aside from the gunshots he appeared to fall off ther bridge. Either likely should've killed him.
Yeah but that is years later. He went invisible before "falling" off the bridge, so I don't think that really happened. And if he received medical attention fast enough he wouldn't necessarily die from his wounds. And after the years that passed I'm sure he wouldn't notice any "ill effects" from the shooting...

I took it that the gun just had a hair trigger - HRG may not have meant to pull it initially but knew that he had to, which is why he kept shooting. And if there was an invisible person doing the shooting, don't you think HRG would've felt the force on his finger?

Perhaps he did; we don't know. He just all of a sudden "got with the program", but the initial surprise at the first shot was clear.

And were we watching the same show? Claude was obviously in pain from the shots - what makes you think he suffered no "ill effects"???

Certainly he was in pain right then. But he was still able to use his power to disappear and then when we meet him post-flashback, he has fully recovered. From at least 3 point-blank chest shots. Uh huh. :rolleyes: I'm willing to suspend disbelief as required for this show, but not when they commit such blatant inconsistencies. That said, there may be a "plausible" explanation within the 'Heroes' universe; i.e. he somehow absorbed Claire's power (like Peter can), or some such.

I saw him grab the rail with his hand just before he went invisible. I don't think he went off the bridge at all.

And when I said an invisible hand pulled the trigger, I meant when the Haitian was holding the gun getting ready to shoot Mr. Bennet. I think Claude was there and pulled the trigger to do the first shot. The Haitian was surprised that the gun went off.