He took the video down now :confused:

Haven't read the spoiler, but with all the comments, I can't wait until tonight!

tonight is the night people... it sets the stage for the final 5 episodes...
Isn't it axiomatic that in a serialized program of this nature, an episode is usually going to be setting the stage for the succeeding episodes.

I guess anything is possible, but I can't really recall an instance where a contemporary episode of a series set the stage for past episodes. :rolleyes:

saw the episode from the canada channel.... i have to say, there is a big surprise tonight
Y'know, when I saw others complain about your posts of this type, I thought that they might be unnecessarily harsh. But now I'm kinda finding myself in agreement that this is the kind of schoolyard drivel you'd find in lower grade school. Seriously, please tell us what possible purpose you think these "I know something you don't know" comments serve.

I don't get it. Is this supposed to be some kind of viral marketing? Are you trying to encourage people at this thread to watch "Heros"? To state the obvious, aren't you preaching to the converted, as who is going to read and/or post at a Heroes forum, if they don't watch the show??? And these 'tidbits' really don't provide any psuedo-spoiler comments that are actually informative.

yeah seriously.... dont see the spoiler pics...... because

tonight we see the person behind some of the problems and its someone that will surprise you
So, how 'bout taking a step back and see if you wouldn't find this at least somewhat annoying, if you weren't the one posting it. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Is there some reason the show is on one day early in Canada?

Is there some reason the show is on one day early in Canada?


Global has the rights to Heroes. It also has the rights to 24, Prison Break and the Black Donnelys...they can't show all of those shows on a Monday night, before Black Donnelys came along, they would show Prison Break, 24 and then Heroes so we didn't have to tape one. Since Black Donnelys, they moved Heroes to Sunday nights.

Isn't it axiomatic that in a serialized program of this nature, an episode is usually going to be setting the stage for the succeeding episodes.

I guess anything is possible, but I can't really recall an instance where a contemporary episode of a series set the stage for past episodes. :rolleyes:


Y'know, when I saw others complain about your posts of this type, I thought that they might be unnecessarily harsh. But now I'm kinda finding myself in agreement that this is the kind of schoolyard drivel you'd find in lower grade school. Seriously, please tell us what possible purpose you think these "I know something you don't know" comments serve.

I don't get it. Is this supposed to be some kind of viral marketing? Are you trying to encourage people at this thread to watch "Heros"? To state the obvious, aren't you preaching to the converted, as who is going to read and/or post at a Heroes forum, if they don't watch the show??? And these 'tidbits' really don't provide any psuedo-spoiler comments that are actually informative.


So, how 'bout taking a step back and see if you wouldn't find this at least somewhat annoying, if you weren't the one posting it. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind


oh man... cry me a river....

dude i am a fan of the show and excited about how good this is... sorry if me trying to hype everyone into tonight's show is bothering.... from now on i will put it in spoilers....

spoiler tags are used by anyone.... if you dont want to read it, then dont highlight it... its simple as that... before i didnt do it because i forgot how to(yes i know)

Some pics from the fine folks up north... do not download this zip file unless you want to spoil the show. How do you do the spoiler thingy?

http://www.hostclip.com/dl/1c4498816cbf8518dae5919e07acd167

I had to download this. I'm not sure what would be a spoiler and what wouldn't, so I'll tag it all:

Ali is smokin'. Good to see Ando is still around. Great news for Hiro!

I just looked at the thumbnails mostly, and didn't scrutinize them too closely. I didn't really see any major spoilers

I had to download this. I'm not sure what would be a spoiler and what wouldn't, so I'll tag it all:

Ali is smokin'. Good to see Ando is still around. Great news for Hiro!

I just looked at the thumbnails mostly, and didn't scrutinize them too closely. I didn't really see any major spoilers


The last couple of pics are the big cliff hangers!


Ali isn't going anywhere on this show...too many people watch the show just for her. For the Ali lovers...download the zip after the show, there's some smokin' pictures of her.

I'll grab some stillframes tonight if you guys want from a 1920X1080i source...these seem to be in 1280X720. Just let me know what shots you want in PM.

He took the video down now :confused:

No its there, just click on download again near the top right.

Great episode tonight...

Now I will have to watch this awesome episode again tonight in HD.

Great episode tonight...

Now I will have to watch this awesome episode again tonight in HD.

quiet you

This hiatus thing is pathetic. How can it go away again for weeks, they were just gone for weeks. Man, studios are really pathetic. Just air your freaking episodes. This constant waiting makes viewers loose interest.

This hiatus thing is pathetic. How can it go away again for weeks, they were just gone for weeks. Man, studios are really pathetic. Just air your freaking episodes. This constant waiting makes viewers loose interest.

As long as ratings sweeps are used to determine ad rates, this will continue. The only way to avoid it is to do 1/2 seasons (really 1 full seasons worth of eps run consecutively during 1/2 of the season) ala 24.

But doing this would leave networks with HUGE holes in their schedules, they would need to produce more content, which is expensive enough as it is.

This hiatus thing is pathetic. How can it go away again for weeks, they were just gone for weeks. Man, studios are really pathetic. Just air your freaking episodes. This constant waiting makes viewers loose interest.


this isnt LOST you know.... this is heroes

last time it went on hiatus it came back stronger then ever....

as long as the interest is there, i doubt anyone would leave the show....

this isnt LOST you know.... this is heroes

last time it went on hiatus it came back stronger then ever....

as long as the interest is there, i doubt anyone would leave the show....

Besides, this 'hiatus' is normal for all shows, not some calculated programming move. They only have 22-24 episodes during a season that is twice that long.

Besides, this 'hiatus' is normal for all shows, not some calculated programming move. They only have 22-24 episodes during a season that is twice that long.
Which is twice as long as you'd get in places like the UK, 10-12 eps, and it's gone for the year, like HBO and SHO.

The point with these hiatuses for shows like Heroes, Lost, Jericho and other serialized shows, is to have long blocks with no reruns. I much prefer it to last years Lost schedule, when there would be two new episodes, then two to three weeks of reruns, then one new show then a couple of reruns etc. Smallville is in the middle of that right now, there will be a new episode next week and the next, and then another month of reruns. I don't really mind a hiatus, as long as I know it's coming, and that it's only temporary.

The point with these hiatuses for shows like Heroes, Lost, Jericho and other serialized shows, is to have long blocks with no reruns. I much prefer it to last years Lost schedule, when there would be two new episodes, then two to three weeks of reruns, then one new show then a couple of reruns etc. Smallville is in the middle of that right now, there will be a new episode next week and the next, and then another month of reruns. I don't really mind a hiatus, as long as I know it's coming, and that it's only temporary.

I totally prefer that to the "is tonight a rerun or not?" system.

Let it go..... admit it..you blew your chance of asking a beautiful talented actress an intelligent question.Like..."would you have lunch with me?" :p

A) Heroes looks like utter garbage

B) Why does it feel like I missed an episode?
WTF?

AND WHY IN THE HELL DID THEY SHOW HER ALIVE? I DON'T WATCH THE GOD-DAMN PREVIEWS AND THEY HAVE TO SHOW US THAT "WANT TO SHOOT ME AGAIN?!?"

WHAT THE HELL

NBC YOU SUCK

I think Mohinder knows more than most people here think he does.

:rolleyes:

We've got what looks like a 3D image without the glasses here on FiOS in Northern Virginia.

We've got what looks like a 3D image without the glasses here on FiOS in Northern Virginia.
This is a WRC-DT NBC 4 issue, not the network or Fios. WBAL-DT 11 in Baltimore is fine (OTA). How WRC is messing it up to get this tri color look is beyond me. Hey, fixed at 9:32 PM...

That was incredibly lame...the whole Simone thing...

They had to spoil it in the commercials for Spiderman 3 and then it was just a faux-spoiler...stupid...total scam tactic

That was some pretty good PS3 product placement in tonight's ep.

This is a WRC-DT NBC 4 issue, not the network or Fios. WBAL-DT 11 in Baltimore is fine (OTA). How WRC is messing it up to get this tri color look is beyond me. Hey, fixed at 9:32 PM...

The worst part is that this is no less than the second time they've blown out the color. At least they fixed it this time relatively quickly.

um wow....thats all I can say....

this show is so dirty...so so so amazingly dirty

Who called the Sylar Vs. Peter showdown? :D

The end of April is so very far away...what a great setup...

Amazing episode tonight.

Some bad news... No new episodes of Heroes until April 23rd.

Who called the Sylar Vs. Peter showdown? :D

Everyone who's been watching...

That was incredibly lame...the whole Simone thing...

They had to spoil it in the commercials for Spiderman 3 and then it was just a faux-spoiler...stupid...total scam tactic

Yep - stupid, stupid, stupid. It's like they are doing everything possible to force us to skip all commercials. First, the previews after the show give everything away - then they plaster those previews on all their sister channels throughout the week - now, they try and throw spoilers for the current show in during the commercial break.

The moral of the story:
1) Never flip to an NBC/U channel when you are just channel surfing.
2) Tivo any show you want to watch on any NBC/Universal property.
3) Make sure you skip every second of commercials during the break - even if you need to miss the first few seconds coming back from the break.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What is so crazy is that the show is already a hit. I would think you'd use these tactics when you are trying to convince people to watch a show they AREN'T following.

I know you're being sarcastic, but its pretty true....

what an episode......

now a freaking 2 month hiatus.....

one question i ask?... mohinder ? alive or dead?

what an episode......

now a freaking 2 month hiatus.....

one question i ask?... mohinder ? alive or dead?
****** up, but alive.

Interesting ep, but I think I actually liked last week's better.

Well, at least we finally know where Peter's scar apparently comes from.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

I know you're being sarcastic, but its pretty true....

If you're talking about my post, that's not sarcasm, it's disgust (don't know the smiley code for that).

I don't normally avoid previews at all, but what I posted is exactly what I've been doing lately. SciFi, USA, etc. all get Tivo'd and I never flip to them anymore - at least not until summer.

Interesting ep, but I think I actually liked last week's better.

Well, at least we finally know where Peter's scar apparently comes from.


Excellent point you bring up in your spoiler. I forgot about that.

Who called the Sylar Vs. Peter showdown? :D
Actually, someone here (months ago) said it looks like only Peter could take on a powered-up Sylar, when the only power he had at the time was the ability to fly. Anyways, Mohinder sorely underestimated him while simutaneously playing down his intelligence to the viewers. Never flinch; 'once an evil mutant, always....etc,'.

BTW, tonight was only good, while last week was excellent.

BTW, tonight was only good, while last week was excellent. :D

Perhaps someone could answer these questions about last night's episode...

Was Issac Mendez's latest painting a picture of himself or Peter Petrelli?What was Linderman referring to when he mentioned Peter's problem to Nathan? Do you think he was referring to the encounter with Sylar or something else?What was the assignment HRG and company was sent to do in New York? Or was that assignment simply meant as a test for HRG?

If you're talking about my post, that's not sarcasm, it's disgust (don't know the smiley code for that).

I don't normally avoid previews at all, but what I posted is exactly what I've been doing lately. SciFi, USA, etc. all get Tivo'd and I never flip to them anymore - at least not until summer.

oh you used the sarcasm emoticon so I thought you were disagreeing with me :)

I totally agree...but I had to watch the preview for the next ep....April 23rd is SO very far away so the chances of me not actually seeing something within that time is slim to none (especially with the all fronts marketing push being made by NBC)

Perhaps someone could answer these questions...
Was Issac Mendez's latest painting a picture of himself or Peter Petrelli?


It looked like himself...but now that you bring it up, it makes more sense that it was Peter...

What was Linderman referring to when he mentioned Peter's problem to Nathan? Do you think he was referring to the encounter with Sylar or something else?

Perhaps Peter's sudden ability to go nuclear and wipe the city out?

What was the assignment HRG and company was sent to do in New York? Or was that assignment simply meant as a test for HRG?

I think a better question is where did this other Person come from? The Shape-shifter...they hadn't mentioned her before this episode right? And she just suddenly appears with no intro? Kinda weird...maybe the comic for this week will introduce her...

And what happened to Wireless? She just rolled out...



By the way, those shouldn't be spoilers since the episode airred...

I think a better question is where did this other Person come from? The Shape-shifter...they hadn't mentioned her before this episode right? And she just suddenly appears with no intro? Kinda weird...maybe the comic for this week will introduce her...They introduced her at the end of the episode last week. HRG's boss said she would "clean up the mess" he created.

By the way, those shouldn't be spoilers since the episode airred...Since so many on this forum record to DVR to watch later in the week, I prefer not to post specific events (without the spoiler tag) from an episode until a few days after the air date. Heroes just ended on the west coast 30 minutes ago.

They introduced her at the end of the episode last week. HRG's boss said she would "clean up the mess" he created.

Ahh gotcha...just must have forgotten with everything that happened

Since so many on this forum record to DVR to watch later in the week, I prefer not to post specific events from an episode until a few days after the air date. Heroes just ended on the west coast 30 minutes ago.

Its too hard to set a limit on it....its not a spoiler if its aired...

And I've been guilty of this, but you just gotta stay away from the forums until you've seen the episode or you risk the chance of being spoilerized...

Great episode, just great. Love the new bad girl shapeshifter. Awesome abilities, great special effects too, the way the immediate space around her warps. Peter starting to use his abilities more often, like invisibility, at his brothers office. Hiro and Ando reunited!
This show is just firing on all cylinders!!

The Shape-shifter...they hadn't mentioned her before this episode right?

i don't think she's a shape-shifter, she's more of an illusion inducer. remember when she took Simone's image, she mentally erased the image of the dead body on the bed.

i don't think she's a shape-shifter, she's more of an illusion inducer. remember when she took Simone's image, she mentally erased the image of the dead body on the bed.

I agree! That's how I saw it. Otherwise I can't see how she could have masked Simone off the bed.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that NO ONE saw the "mom & the Haitian" connection coming...NOBODY!!!!!!! however, now that that's out of the bag--is the mom special too?...or maybe Pete and Nathan are Linderman's kids and he's special?...how did the mom and the Haitian meet?...what does she know about "the company"?

BTW, I'm guessing others have noticed this as well, but all of Isaac's paintings come true--I don't think they can change what he sees--so the explosion in New York will happen I believe, but how it happens may still not be understood--some of his paintings aren't very clear.

My predictions:

I don't think HRG is in trouble for some reason, in fact I think he's going to get a promotion, and the illusionist is going to take a dirt nap...don't know why, but I feel something twisted coming...maybe he will be saved by Claude?

As for Sylar and Peter, I'm guessing Peter is going to snap out of it and fight back before his cranium is removed and Sylar will escape again. Mohinder will live.

Nathan will give up politics to save his soul, once he finds out what Linderman expects of him.

DL is going to get killed by Jessica, then Niki is going to kill Jessica...again. Of course this time it will be Jessica's consciousness that dies.

oh, I think there's going to be some sort of showdown in New York leading up to the explosion...I think all the heroes will be there for this fight, and I'm guessing it will be against "the company" or Lindermans group or something.

...lol I bet I'm wrong about most of this!

I think a better question is where did this other Person come from?
Who cares? She's smokin' hot.. :p :D

This show has got a lot of great eye-candy. :)

AND WHY IN THE HELL DID THEY SHOW HER ALIVE? I DON'T WATCH THE GOD-DAMN PREVIEWS AND THEY HAVE TO SHOW US THAT "WANT TO SHOOT ME AGAIN?!?"

WHAT THE HELL

NBC YOU SUCK

actually I thought this was actually quite a clever misdirection. Everyone was so busy talking/complaining about how Simone comes back from the dead that the other more interesting and revelatory twists were not at the top of the agenda.

So NBC showed the least interesting clip in the guise of it being a huge thing, when it was actually only a small part and there were better and more interesting things to come.

Hey? Did anyone see the cool, new Dell commercial last night on NBC? Yeh, it was broadcast in HD and included an episode of "Heroes"!

nc

now that we have almost 2 freaking months, here is my predictions:

at least 2 heroes will die..... my guess will be Isaac and Claire

there will be a showdown between the heroes and the company.

the explosion will take place and then it will be stopped as well.... i think since Hiro stressed of saving the world, he will do it...

Peter will kill Sylar.....but will sacrifice himself as well....


i hope i am wrong about claire

Well, it looks like somebody's going to save Peter from Sylar's nasty index finger laser brain surgery at the last minute, but not before he gets his trademark scar. And that Ando sure is resourceful, isn't he? I rolled my eyes when he showed up at just the right time in his security guard outfit, but then just rolled with it like everything else. Those two seem to be having so much fun you've got to enjoy them regardless. And now we've seen two people do the "stop bullet in mid flight" thing, Sylar with telekinesis and Hiro with, well, whatever. Finally, HRG's in some serious trouble, ain't he?

Wonder how "the Company" manages to find all these mutants and recruit them to do its bidding when the Company is basically anti-mutant and would kill them at the drop of a hat...? Claude figured that out and barely got away. Eden wasn't so lucky. The Haitian has split. Now, they have another one in the hot-chick illusionist. WTF? Doesn't seem like an outfit that would engender such loyalty.

Raven - Claire can't die.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that NO ONE saw the "mom & the Haitian" connection coming...NOBODY!!!!!!! however, now that that's out of the bag--is the mom special too?...or maybe Pete and Nathan are Linderman's kids and he's special?...how did the mom and the Haitian meet?...what does she know about "the company"?

My guess, either she or her husband are (were, in his case) special, with the power to "dream" the future - and Peter absorbed the ability from them. That's the only way I can figure she knew HRG had Claire in custody, and that Claire was Nathan's daughter. One of them worked for the Company, and that's how they knew the Haitian and that he could be trusted.

That's probably wrong, like everything else I've guessed about this show.

Who cares? She's smokin' hot.. :p :D

This show has got a lot of great eye-candy. :)

"Smokin' hot!" :D

No doubt, she's at the top of the show's eye-candy food chain for me. Loved that plaid catholic-school-girl skirt too. Wow.

Raven - Claire can't die.

If she couldn't die, she wouldn't need to be saved.

As for the rest of the show, I agree with the many others here that last week topped it, though this one was excellent. Some parts I particularly liked:

The meeting with Linderman (finally). It did not disappoint. Malcolm Mcdowell was perfect in this role, and the whole scene was highly reminiscent of Neo meeting the architect.

The showdown between Peter and Sylar. Wow was it gruesome.

Claire giving the haitian the slip, and the cute smile on her face as she did so.

The redeeming of HRG's wife.

The reveal of Peter/Nathan's mother as more-than-she-appeared-to-be.

Parkman's cameo was well-done.

The Nikki/Jessica scenes were better than normal this go around and more tolerable.

Did I mention the shape-changer girl? :D

My guess, either she or her husband are (were, in his case) special, with the power to "dream" the future - and Peter absorbed the ability from them.

Momma Petrelli or her husband wouldn't need powers to know where Claire was. They are a powerful family that is involved with Linderman and probably Primatech, so it isn't a stretch to assume they found out using non-supernatural means. On TV, Kennedy-esque families always know everything about everything.

Don't we already know that Peter absorbed the power to glimpse the future from Simone's father? Not that Poppa Petrelli couldn't have had some power. Both of his sons do, and we already know that it is genetic.

The meeting with Linderman (finally). It did not disappoint. Malcolm Mcdowell was perfect in this role, and the whole scene was highly reminiscent of Neo meeting the architect.

It was??? The only correlation I can see is that both the architect and Linderman are old guys with white hair and a beard...

Claire and Peter will probably sacrifice themselves to save the world....

by the way, claire can die....

It was??? The only correlation I can see is that both the architect and Linderman are old guys with white hair and a beard...

That and the fact that his manner was so measured and perfect, and that alot of information was revealed in a very "talky" manner. Plus, Nathan threatened him, only to take the "other door" instead.

I'm a big Matrix fan so it's possible that was influencing me.

Is there an actual "ignore" button, or were you guys just using that term to mean you're ignoring a poster yourself.

I don't like reading Raven's "speculation" because I don't know how much of it is fueled by what he actually knows. So, I'm looking to "ignore" him too, a first for me here on AVS.

Who called the Sylar Vs. Peter showdown? :D

The end of April is so very far away...what a great setup...


It was discussed VERY early on....

Yeah, even as I was explaining to my fiance that Heroes was going to go on hiatus I saw the announcement for the return date and said "WTF!!!" :-) It's going to be a long wait.

Is there an actual "ignore" button, or were you guys just using that term to mean you're ignoring a poster yourself.

I don't like reading Raven's "speculation" because I don't know how much of it is fueled by what he actually knows. So, I'm looking to "ignore" him too, a first for me here on AVS.

what are you talking about.... i am posting a prediction like everyone else... what makes my "speculation " any different from everyone else's....

trust me... i dont know much about this show but from what i read on the net....

what are you talking about.... i am posting a prediction like everyone else... what makes my "speculation " any different from everyone else's....

its very specific for some reason...and doesn't really read like a predicition

LOL.... really..... how specific... lol.... dude seriously, i am not an insider of the show..

its very specific for some reason...and doesn't really read like a predicition

Ditto.

Raven - I just don't want to read your "speculation" based on the fact you've claimed to know things about the show in advance. Therefore, I have no idea what is actual "speculation" and what is "prediction." It's impossible to know the difference.

On the ignore button, nevermind guys, I found it under the user's profile.

The ignore function is real. Just click on a members name, pull up their public profile, then in the top section there will be a "Add xxxxx to my ignore list".

Thanks, CP.

Looks like you beat me to it.

Yeah, but still thanks for pointing it out. There might be others that want to use it too. :)

What was it that fell from where Sylar had Peter in his grip? Was it hair? I saw the blood, just didn't know what the other, er, part is.

nc

A lock of hair.

Don't we already know that Peter absorbed the power to glimpse the future from Simone's father?

Was that where he got it from? I don't remember, I thought Mom said something like "your father was a dreamer too".

I also put Raven on my ignore list. No offence meant, but I just don't like what he's written before. If I see someone quoted him, I also skip that person's post.

wow.... thanks guys.... for the good of discussion. i wont post in this thread anymore...

LOL.... really..... how specific... lol.... dude seriously, i am not an insider of the show.. When you say things like "you will see that she is more important then you guys think...." and "i cant say... but what i can say is next weeks episode will be the best one yet..." in response to people asking you where or how you're getting your information, what's the harm in pointing to the website you're reading it from ??

A lock of hair.

I remember reading that Peter was doing away with the "emo" look in his hairstyle, because it was too difficult to shoot for continuity reasons.

This was an artful way to go about that change. :)

i understand but seriously... wont post on this thread anymore.... sorry if i bothered peeps with my posting

I remember reading that Peter was doing away with the "emo" look in his hairstyle, because it was too difficult to shoot for continuity reasons.

This was an artful way to go about that change. :)

That and Hiro said once "You look better without your Scar." Wonder if Sylar gave him this scar?

My predictions:
Okay. Predictions are always fun and potentially embarrassing, particularly in retrospect. :)

I don't think HRG is in trouble for some reason, in fact I think he's going to get a promotion, and the illusionist is going to take a dirt nap...don't know why, but I feel something twisted coming...maybe he will be saved by Claude?

What has happened that could possibly suggest this to you? HRG reaffirmed he couldn't be trusted to be loyal to' the company' last night. Unless somehow he becomes instrumental in saving NYC, or bringing about a truce between the Heroes & the Company, there's been no viable basis to support that.

As for Sylar and Peter, I'm guessing Peter is going to snap out of it and fight back before his cranium is removed and Sylar will escape again.
You're guessing??? :eek: Future Hiro's already told us Peter will have a disfiguring scar, and seeing as it hasn't appeared yet, and seems to be occuring as a result of this battle with Sylar, I'd say this is more simple deductive reasoning than a guess. :)

DL is going to get killed by Jessica, then Niki is going to kill Jessica...again. Of course this time it will be Jessica's consciousness that dies.
Obviously, I've missed something. When did we learn that Nikki had ever killed Jessica before? :confused:

...lol I bet I'm wrong about most of this!
I think your gift for prophecy has finally kicked into high gear. ;) :D

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Chance favors the prepared mind

That and Hiro said once "You look better without your Scar." Wonder if Sylar gave him this scar?

That's one of the big remaining mysteries I think. Since he has Claire's healing ability, how exactly does he get a scar?

One interesting thing to consider, what with all the talk of heroes "dying" and so forth...does Peter retain their ability after they've died? If not, it would be an interesting contrast to Sylar who *only* gets their ability in the case of their death.

That and Hiro said once "You look better without your Scar." Wonder if Sylar gave him this scar?

I'm not going to swear to this, but I think Future Hiro's state4ment was more along the lines that he didn't recognize Peter at first (this is in the dark subway car, of course), without the scar.

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

That's one of the big remaining mysteries I think. Since he has Claire's healing ability, how exactly does he get a scar?

I agree, this is a problem. I suspect it will ultimately have something to do with the intensity of Sylar's power, and that Peter's healing power in contrast, was sufficient to save him from death, but not disfigurement.

IOW, I don't have a clue. :)

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

I agree, this is a problem. I suspect it will ultimately have something to do with the intensity of Sylar's power, and that Peter's healing power in contrast, was sufficient to save him from death, but not disfigurement.



That makes as much sense as anything.

It's also interesting that Nathan has some pretty significant scarring on his face along his cheekbone. I'm assuming it's not makeup and that Pasdar actually has the scars himself.

Maybe Hiro mistook Peter for Nathan?

... or Sylar was able to extract Peter's healing power before he breaks free.

That's one of the big remaining mysteries I think. Since he has Claire's healing ability, how exactly does he get a scar?

I have a feeling the writers changed the story since that scene on the subway between Hiro and Peter regarding the scar. Others have stated that the original story line has been altered since the very early episodes (originally nuke was going to be set off by terrorists with stolen bomb rather than Peter exploding). It definitely doesn't make a lot of sense to have Claire's healing power and also have a scar, and I'd say there is a very good chance that when the "scar" line was written the writers had not yet contemplated Peter absorbing Claire's power. But, I'm sure the writers will think of a clever way to handle this potential conflict.

... or Sylar was able to extract Peter's healing power before he breaks free.
That's a good possibility as well. Theoretically, Peter is potentially the most powerful HERO (I'm not counting Sylar). In fact, too powerful, which makes him a prime candidate for getting killed off. At least, if he loses Claire's healing power, he won't be omnipotent.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

I'm not going to swear to this, but I think Future Hiro's state4ment was more along the lines that he didn't recognize Peter at first (this is in the dark subway car, of course), without the scar.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

But Hiro also said that (after the explosion) Peter had talked to him about wishing he could have been more involved. That is the reason Hiro went to the past to give Peter direction "save the cheerleader".

Now that Peter has met with future Hiro, he has saved her, he has gained her powers and he has become much more involved. The timeline has changed. Original Peter never met Claire and probably did get his scar from this encounter with Sylar. New Peter has Claire's power and this is the point where he gets to make a difference and be more involved.

Now that Peter has met with future Hiro, he has saved her, he has gained her powers and he has become much more involved. The timeline has changed. Original Peter never met Claire and probably did get his scar from this encounter with Sylar. New Peter has Claire's power and this is the point where he gets to make a difference and be more involved.

I hadn't even thought of it from a "changed timeline" angle. Good point.

Not sure if the following is a spoiler, and I have no idea if this has been posted before.... but yesterday on the Stern show Takei (Hiro's father) said (he's the show's official announcer and sits in for an entire week every six months or so) that the show's creators/writers told him to "Brush up on his samurai sword skills [for upcoming shows]."

... or Sylar was able to extract Peter's healing power before he breaks free.

I don't think Sylar's ability allows him to "extract" somebody elses power. Sylar's original power was the ability to see how things worked, or, more specifically, to see how something was broken and then fix it. Because the hero's mutations are actually errors in their DNA, Sylar noticed the error when he first met another hero. When he cuts into a hero's head, he is simply trying to learn how they are "broken." He then has the ability to "fix" his own DNA by adding the other hero's "error" to his own DNA code. Usually the process of slicing into the hero's head has the side effect of killing the hero. Theoretically, Sylar could learn a healer's power without actually killing them because they would regenerate.

Also, I don't see how Sylar using his telekinesis to cut open Peter's head rather than a knife would make any difference as to Peter's ability to heal the cut.

The one wildcard with Syler that gives the writers an unfair advantage against the rest of us is that we have no idea what unknown powers he has learned from all of the undescribed heroes he has killed. Anytime there seems to be an inconsistency, the writers can always explain it away by saying that Syler learned some power from a hero yet to be introduced (by way of flashback).

But Hiro also said that (after the explosion) Peter had talked to him about wishing he could have been more involved. That is the reason Hiro went to the past to give Peter direction "save the cheerleader".

Now that Peter has met with future Hiro, he has saved her, he has gained her powers and he has become much more involved. The timeline has changed. Original Peter never met Claire and probably did get his scar from this encounter with Sylar. New Peter has Claire's power and this is the point where he gets to make a difference and be more involved.

Best explanation so far.

But Hiro also said that (after the explosion) Peter had talked to him about wishing he could have been more involved. That is the reason Hiro went to the past to give Peter direction "save the cheerleader".

Now that Peter has met with future Hiro, he has saved her, he has gained her powers and he has become much more involved. The timeline has changed. Original Peter never met Claire and probably did get his scar from this encounter with Sylar. New Peter has Claire's power and this is the point where he gets to make a difference and be more involved.

The Peter that never met Hiro wouldn't of survived his encounter then with Sylar because he wouldn't of had Claire's healing power. So he wouldn't be alive to have a scar to recognize.

Best explanation so far.
I don't know about that. There are serious problems in reconciling these issues, as William points out. Let's not forget that Hiro was unable to alter events in order to save Charley. Why is this different?

Damn, as much as I enjoy playing with the concepts, I always hate trying to reconcile the various permutations of time-space continuum issues. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

The Peter that never met Hiro wouldn't of survived his encounter then with Sylar because he wouldn't of had Claire's healing power. So he wouldn't be alive to have a scar to recognize.

We have no reason to believe that that particular Peter's scar came from an encounter with Sylar. It could have been a scar from something else.

Maybe Hiro mistook Peter for Nathan?

Would you forget a man that flew in and landed in a diner parking lot?

The Peter that never met Hiro wouldn't of survived his encounter then with Sylar because he wouldn't of had Claire's healing power. So he wouldn't be alive to have a scar to recognize.Not necessarily.

Suppose Isaac Mendez's latest painting was of Peter (initially, I thought the painting was of himself, but after watching it again, I'm not so sure). If he could tell enough from the painting to describe the location, he'd probably call it in to the "company."

HRG was just taken into custody. He gets a call from Issac describing the painting where Sylar is about to kill Peter. HRG determines that the location is Suresh's apartment. They all rush over, stop Siler / save Peter, and HRG either dies in the process, his boss / assistants die, and/or he distinguishes himself in such a way that they decide he deserves another chance.

Alternatively, perhaps they already knew that Siler was in New York through some other fortune-telling hero, and that was their primary reason (their "assignment") for being in town.

Also, Peter was going to meet Claire anyway (remember she is in NY now and has met his mother) so he would have gotten her power then, possibly even in the continuation of the cliffhanger scene where Sylar gets stopped somehow by other means (HRG and the shapeshifter, perhaps?).

Hiro's intervention caused him to meet her earlier, because he went to Texas at Hiro's urging.

Would you forget a man that flew in and landed in a dinner parking lot?

Probably not. :D

Seriously, Hiro knows who Nathan is obviously...but maybe he made a mistake when he contacted Peter on the (dark and cloudy) subway. It's out there, I know. ;)

That makes as much sense as anything.

It's also interesting that Nathan has some pretty significant scarring on his face along his cheekbone. I'm assuming it's not makeup and that Pasdar actually has the scars himself.

Maybe Hiro mistook Peter for Nathan?

The actor was in a severe automobile accident...those are his.

For those that ever watched the vampire flick 'Near Dark', he was the Texas teenager that was taken in by the vamps.

BTW, tonight was only good, while last week was excellent.


Agreed...

Well, it looks like somebody's going to save Peter from Sylar's nasty index finger laser brain surgery at the last minute, but not before he gets his trademark scar.


I'm sure Peter saves himself...


Wonder how "the Company" manages to find all these mutants and recruit them to do its bidding when the Company is basically anti-mutant and would kill them at the drop of a hat...? Claude figured that out and barely got away. Eden wasn't so lucky. The Haitian has split. Now, they have another one in the hot-chick illusionist. WTF? Doesn't seem like an outfit that would engender such loyalty.


Given the alternative of death, dismemberment, and dissection (not necessarily in that order), I'm sure there are some who would participate. Especially if they were recruited young.

What I found odd, and maybe I missed something that would make it make more sense, was when they recruited HRG 15 years ago, it seemed he actually thought he was interviewing for a job at a paper factory. Then they drop a bomb on him with the Invisible man and explain that he'll need to blindly do what they ask of him. Without batting an eyelash, he's still interested in the job. :confused:

That and Hiro said once "You look better without your Scar." Wonder if Sylar gave him this scar?

I'm pretty sure he said that Peter 'looked different' or he 'didn't recognize' him....Especially since his English is perfect in the future, he wouldn't just come out and say 'you look so much better without the disfiguring scar of shame' :-)

On Peter's scar-

Do we have evidence that he can use more than one power simultaneously?

Maybe he is busy using some other power, so he can't use the healing ability at a critical juncture....

Also, I don't think Sylar will be able to steal any powers from Peter, other than the ability to absorb powers.

What I found odd, and maybe I missed something that would make it make more sense, was when they recruited HRG 15 years ago, it seemed he actually thought he was interviewing for a job at a paper factory. Then they drop a bomb on him with the Invisible man and explain that he'll need to blindly do what they ask of him. Without batting an eyelash, he's still interested in the job. :confused:
No, in that interview they talked about secrecy and how he's not really selling paper. The whole thing with Claude was that he was caught off guard by the fact "one of them" was able to be in the room and hear him being candid without his knowing.

HRG clearly knew what he was getting into. I just think Claudes way of making himself known threw him for a loop.

What I found odd, and maybe I missed something that would make it make more sense, was when they recruited HRG 15 years ago, it seemed he actually thought he was interviewing for a job at a paper factory. Then they drop a bomb on him with the Invisible man and explain that he'll need to blindly do what they ask of him. Without batting an eyelash, he's still interested in the job. :confused:

Cpanther, I remember it differently. The discussion about paper was just a sham...HRG knew what he was getting into. I don't have that ep anymore (darn fiance deleted before I could protect it!!!!!), but I'll see if I can find a transcript.

I don't know about that. There are serious problems in reconciling these issues, as William points out. Let's not forget that Hiro was unable to alter events in order to save Charley. Why is this different?

Damn, as much as I enjoy playing with the concepts, I always hate trying to reconcile the various permutations of time-space continuum issues. ;)

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Perhaps Charley just had to die. Maybe some deaths are mandatory to keep the fabric of the universe together. Claire would have died if not for Peter, but another cheerleader died in her place. Maybe the universe was okay with that trade. Just because Hiro couldn't save Charley, doesn't mean that he can't save anyone.

Cpanther, I remember it differently. The discussion about paper was just a sham...HRG knew what he was getting into. I don't have that ep anymore (darn fiance deleted before I could protect it!!!!!), but I'll see if I can find a transcript.
The closest I could find is this site:

http://www.kilohoku.com/heroes.html

However, last week's episode isn't up yet. Perhaps by next week they'll be caught up.

Perhaps Charley just had to die. Maybe some deaths are mandatory to keep the fabric of the universe together. Claire would have died if not for Peter, but another cheerleader died in her place. Maybe the universe was okay with that trade. Just because Hiro couldn't save Charley, doesn't mean that he can't save anyone.
Hmmm. That's not bad: when someone is saved, another has to die in their place.

Of course, that wouldn't explain the ever-expanding world-wide human population, though.

Perhaps Charley just had to die. Maybe some deaths are mandatory to keep the fabric of the universe together. Claire would have died if not for Peter, but another cheerleader died in her place. Maybe the universe was okay with that trade. Just because Hiro couldn't save Charley, doesn't mean that he can't save anyone.

Also, don't confuse the possibility that Hiro failed to save Charlie with the fact that it was impossible to do so. Hiro failed to save Charlie because he sent himself back to Japan when he tried to kiss her. He then saw a degradation and loss of his powers, preventing him from returning to Texas before it was too late. Whether those events were caused by some cosmic certainty is not known at this time.

Without the ability to make a difference and change the future, the characters would be stuck playing a scripted role in their lives. Not much of a show. The fact that Hiro popped into the post cataclysmic NY future doesn't mean that it still can't be changed. It's no different than when he popped in just prior to the explosion. Why could he change that future but not the one after the blast?

Hmmm. That's not bad: when someone is saved, another has to die in their place.

Of course, that wouldn't explain the ever-expanding world-wide human population, though.

That's like my theory of the world wide conservation of body fat. For every pound someone takes off, someone else in the world has to put one on!

I think this shows what happens to Peter and Suresh. It was in the preview so I'll use spoiler tags.

In the preview for upcoming episodes, Peter is shown flying away with Suresh on his shoulders, going out over a dark city. HRG and the Haitian are standing there watching him fly away. I bet then that HRG gets there in time to stop Sylar from doing anything more to Peter, but not before Sylar does something to Peter to get the scar. But it showed Peter flying away.

I think this shows what happens to Peter and Suresh. It was in the preview so I'll use spoiler tags.You sure that wasn't the old preview where Peter saved Claude? HRG and the Haitan aren't working together anymore, as far as we know.

You sure that wasn't the old preview where Peter saved Claude? HRG and the Haitan aren't working together anymore, as far as we know.

Of course they are, just not in the physical sense...yet. HRG is trying to find Claire, and the Haitan knows he will come looking for Claire. They both knew the Haitian had to go Deep so nonbody else from The Paper Company, could track Claire down. The Haitian didn't take Claire, HRG told Claire to go with him.

The infamous video has been redone, taking out the music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZHYpB4gcr4

Check it out.

Okay. Predictions are always fun and potentially embarrassing, particularly in retrospect. :)



What has happened that could possibly suggest this to you? HRG reaffirmed he couldn't be trusted to be loyal to' the company' last night. Unless somehow he becomes instrumental in saving NYC, or bringing about a truce between the Heroes & the Company, there's been no viable basis to support that.

Simple, because we expect him to be in big trouble the way his scene ended, but then we see that Mom knows about Claire (Claire's going to want to know what's going on with her family, at that point I suspect Mom's going to play her hand and save HRG and family)--and maybe there are some things about "the company" that we were lead to believe are true, but actually aren't.

You're guessing??? :eek: Future Hiro's already told us Peter will have a disfiguring scar, and seeing as it hasn't appeared yet, and seems to be occuring as a result of this battle with Sylar, I'd say this is more simple deductive reasoning than a guess. :)

I thought future Hiro was referring to a future without Claire, thus Peter wouldn't be able to heal, and would probably get himself killed--since he has that ability now, why would he get a scar? In future Hiro's timeline, it's possible he never even faced Sylar.

Obviously, I've missed something. When did we learn that Nikki had ever killed Jessica before? :confused:

We are still assuming that Niki/Jessica's dad killed Jessica right? I see a couple of twists that could explain things--one is Niki, not knowing her own strength when she manifested accidentally killed Jessica and it drove her crazy making her develop the dual personality--why would she kill jessica? maybe Jessica had an ability and was using it for evil purposes and Niki was going to stop her--another twist would be that Jessica had the ability to move her consciousness to take over another person, and she did that before her body died. All I'm saying is that we are being lead to believe that Niki's dad is guilty (he was an abusive drunk), but remember when he asked her if she really forgot what happened?...and his role in what happened?...then he denied killing anyone?--she said "that's right, it was an accident..." So something happened and we don't have the whole picture, but I'm guessing Niki's guilt over what happened is causing her dual personality--and she's repressed her memories for some reason--so she could be the one with blood on her hands, not the abusive father.

I think your gift for prophecy has finally kicked into high gear. ;) :D

LOL...I knew you would see things my way LOL
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The infamous video has been redone, taking out the music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZHYpB4gcr4

Check it out.

LOL that IS great

and I have that shirt

I thought future Hiro was referring to a future without Claire, thus Peter wouldn't be able to heal, and would probably get himself killed--since he has that ability now, why would he get a scar? In future Hiro's timeline, it's possible he never even faced Sylar.

Remeber "Save the Cheerleader, save the world." If Peter doesn't save Claire, he doesn't get her power. Sylar would cripple Peter in Mohinder's appartment (leaving the scar), and then Sylar would go on to destroy NYC (possibly when Sylar aquires - and can't control- Ted's power). That explosion would result in worldwide panic and/or nuclear war. Since Peter has Claire's ability to heal, he can recover from his run-in with Sylar and stop the explosion, thereby saving the world.

All speculation of course, but it seems more likely than some of the off-the-wall guesses that are being made on this thread :)

BTW, the only part I didn't like about the last episode was Ando's appearance. He's been gone for what, a couple of days? If they were going to bring him back so quickly, why have Hiro send him away in the first place? They could have just as easily written the episode with Ando tagging along to deliver the painting, and it would've made a lot more sense.

The infamous video has been redone, taking out the music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZHYpB4gcr4

Check it out.
Yeah, it's pretty clear from the audience response (their boos) that they caught on that you were "joking." :rolleyes: Btw, for future reference, calling someone "halfway decent" is generally considered an insult.

Isaac's new painting... It's definitely Isaac as Hiro witnessed in the first time jump. I was also confused about who it was because of the cartoony style, but Peter does not have that curly hair, nor does he have a beard/goatee. The background was definitely Isaac's studio (with paintings and what seems to be a barrel of the gun that he used to kill Simone). I think Isaac is going to die.

Mrs. Petrelli knows The Haitian and she also speaks French. It is possible that she and/or her late husband was involved in finding The Haitian initially. Papa Petrelli worked as Linderman's lawyer, so she must know Linderman as well. It somehow occurred to me that she and Linderman could have been a lover (Nathan and/or Peter's real father?).

BTW, for those interested, take a look at the latest graphic novel. Mr. Bennet may not sit quietly.

I wonder if the Illusionist can also become a male (or completely disappear)? Probably, but two people she became so far were females. What technology can tell if that is real or not ("The Company" must know)?

The Nikki/Jessica storyline has gotten a lot better. DL is suspecting something. Nikki seems to be coming back (she can do something without Jessica knowing just like Jessica did before).

So, Linderman wants to put Nathan into the White House. Is it because he is his son? Does he want a "mutant" nation?

I think at the conclusion of "Vol. 1", Sylar would be neutralized one way or the other since that seems to me to be the biggest storyline.

Hong.

I think Isaac is going to die.Um, yeah....I think Hiro told him that already (at Ando's urging). But unless super-Hiro can somehow alter timelines, Isaac is doomed. Though you think he would've moved his studio's location by now.....everyone and their mom is popping by.

Question: I can't remember if we were given proof that the Linderman Group (LG) is the one running the Company. Are we assuming that the company that HRG works for is owned by the LG, or do we know that as fact? If they are not in fact the same, perhaps they are working for differing ends when it comes to the mutants.

Question: I can't remember if we were given proof that the Linderman Group (LG) is the one running the Company. Are we assuming that the company that HRG works for is owned by the LG, or do we know that as fact? If they are not in fact the same, perhaps they are working for differing ends when it comes to the mutants.
They haven't said anything for sure, but everything they have implied has been that they're separate entities.

What video game was Nikki playing with her son?

EDIT: I did some research on Wikipedia and found that it was Heavenly Sword for the PS3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Sword

It's pretty cool that they have an unreleased game on the show!

Pretty cool or blatant product placement? ;)

BTW, the only part I didn't like about the last episode was Ando's appearance. He's been gone for what, a couple of days? If they were going to bring him back so quickly, why have Hiro send him away in the first place? They could have just as easily written the episode with Ando tagging along to deliver the painting, and it would've made a lot more sense.
I think they did it to show the strength of their friendship. Hiro wanted Ando to leave because it was too dangerous, while Ando stayed to do what he could to save his friend. Both are self-sacrificing for each other.

What video game was Nikki playing with her son?

EDIT: I did some research on Wikipedia and found that it was Heavenly Sword for the PS3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Sword

It's pretty cool that they have an unreleased game on the show!

I am guessing the son used his special computer powers to download an advance version of the game direct from PS3 HQ. Pretty cool powers...... :)

I am guessing the son used his special computer powers to download an advance version of the game direct from PS3 HQ. Pretty cool powers...... :)
But it also requires a larger suspension of disbelief, since no one has a PS3 for gaming... ;)

BTW, the only part I didn't like about the last episode was Ando's appearance. He's been gone for what, a couple of days? If they were going to bring him back so quickly, why have Hiro send him away in the first place? They could have just as easily written the episode with Ando tagging along to deliver the painting, and it would've made a lot more sense.I think they did it to show the strength of their friendship. Hiro wanted Ando to leave because it was too dangerous, while Ando stayed to do what he could to save his friend. Both are self-sacrificing for each other.
Seems that Mr. Linderman wanted Hiro to have the sword but didn't want Hiro to know that. Hiro was banned from the hotel for cheating but Ando was not only not banned he was hired as a security guard and then was assigned to guard the museum? Come on that's way too convenient. Linderman and Hiro's "dad" wanted Hiro to have the sword.

Linderman and Hiro's "dad" wanted Hiro to have the sword.What did I miss that makes you think George Takei's character is not Hiro's real father?

I think Isaac is going to die.
the image of Isaac's head chopped off could be a shapeshifter taking Isaac's image, then getting killed. wouldn't put it past the show's producers.

Seems that Mr. Linderman wanted Hiro to have the sword but didn't want Hiro to know that. Hiro was banned from the hotel for cheating but Ando was not only not banned he was hired as a security guard and then was assigned to guard the museum? Come on that's way too convenient. Linderman and Hiro's "dad" wanted Hiro to have the sword.
I don't remember anything that said Ando was actually hired as a security guard. He had a uniform, but that doesn't mean he was an actual guard. It just means he found a better way inside.

I think they did it to show the strength of their friendship. Hiro wanted Ando to leave because it was too dangerous, while Ando stayed to do what he could to save his friend. Both are self-sacrificing for each other.

I love that aspect of the show, a non-superpowered guy mixed up in all the danger, just to help out his friend.

Someone explain to me why you guys refer to Bennett as HRG. His drivers license in that one episode just said Bennett on the name line. What is HRG.

Someone explain to me why you guys refer to Bennett as HRG. His drivers license in that one episode just said Bennett on the name line. What is HRG.

Horned Rim Glasses

Also for the person that made the comment about it being Mohinder that Peter was flying off with while the Hatian and Bennett watched is wrong i think. This was a flashback piece from the episode when Peter flies off with the dude that was teaching him to control his powers. If you go back and watch that episode the exact scene is there. Sorry to spoil your theory. Looking forward to April 23.

One question though... was that the cheerleader with brown/black dyed hair in that one shot on upcoming episodes part at the end?

Claire and Peter will probably sacrifice themselves to save the world....

by the way, claire can die....

but she won't she already signed on for next year she said on the today show. :D

the image of Isaac's head chopped off could be a shapeshifter taking Isaac's image, then getting killed. wouldn't put it past the show's producers.
Except the new hero isn't exactly a shapeshifter. Shapeshifter's can't make dead bodies lying on beds disappear. ;)

If you remember the Pilot episode, Isaac dies.

Except the new hero isn't exactly a shapeshifter. Shapeshifter's can't make dead bodies lying on beds disappear. ;)

If you remember the Pilot episode, Isaac dies.

Hiro's one attempt to go back and change the past makes it look like maybe that can't work. But it's still uncertain whether visions of the future are more flexible.

And the dead Isaac was in a visit to the future.

- Tom

PS - I'll bet we never see Ando in Japan to take the phone call at the time of the atomic blast.

Hiro's one attempt to go back and change the past makes it look like maybe that can't work. But it's still uncertain whether visions of the future are more flexible.

And the dead Isaac was in a visit to the future.

- Tom

PS - I'll bet we never see Ando in Japan to take the phone call at the time of the atomic blast.
No I understand that the future could be changed, but in the pilot we saw Isaac with his head split open in his studio. Now he paints someone lying with his head split open in his own studio. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it's not Peter he painted. ;)

I love that aspect of the show, a non-superpowered guy mixed up in all the danger, just to help out his friend.I predict (and it's just a prediction) that jumping through time-and-space hoops with Hiro will rub off on Ando, giving him some type of ability of his own. We still don't know who reversed that gunshot, or do we?

but she won't she already signed on for next year she said on the today show. :D


thank god.... i didnt want her to leave...

I predict (and it's just a prediction) that jumping through time-and-space hoops with Hiro will rub off on Ando, giving him some type of ability of his own. We still don't know who reversed that gunshot, or do we?
Yes we do, it was Hiro. ;)

I've got one thing that is bugging me a little, and don't recall seeing it mentioned much here. We have seen Hiro's father (Sulu) twice now, once when he comes back to the US and confronts Hiro and Ando with Hiro's sister. Then later (although it's actually earlier, I am going in episode order), he is seen seemingly part of "the company", and actually is the one who gives Claire to Bennett/HRG, and seems to have been involved with the fire that ended up not killing Claire or her mother :). That's the part that doesn't seem to getting much discussion. At first I thought I was mistaken, that it was another "generic japanese" gentleman on the roof with Claire and HRG, but I just checked, and it is him.
It raises questions about how come Hiro isn't subject to the same control and scrutiny as Claire, does his father and "the company" not know he's "special", ok, maybe not the first time when he was a kid, but the 2nd time he literally tells his father he is a "hero" and has a destiny.
Wouldn't they want to control/study him like they do all the others?
Maybe they will build and expand on his role in "the company" and his present role in future episodes.

I've got one thing that is bugging me a little, and don't recall seeing it mentioned much here. We have seen Hiro's father (Sulu) twice now, once when he comes back to the US and confronts Hiro and Ando with Hiro's sister. Then later (although it's actually earlier, I am going in episode order), he is seen seemingly part of "the company", and actually is the one who gives Claire to Bennett/HRG, and seems to have been involved with the fire that ended up not killing Claire or her mother :). That's the part that doesn't seem to getting much discussion. At first I thought I was mistaken, that it was another "generic japanese" gentleman on the roof with Claire and HRG, but I just checked, and it is him.
It raises questions about how come Hiro isn't subject to the same control and scrutiny as Claire, does his father and "the company" not know he's "special", ok, maybe not the first time when he was a kid, but the 2nd time he literally tells his father he is a "hero" and has a destiny.
Wouldn't they want to control/study him like they do all the others?
Maybe they will build and expand on his role in "the company" and his present role in future episodes.
Saying you have a destiny and saying you can bend space-time are two completely different things. Sulu probably doesn't know that his son has abilities.

Saying you have a destiny and saying you can bend space-time are two completely different things. Sulu probably doesn't know that his son has abilities.


It just seems odd to me that he doesn't seem to know anything, particularly since he's at least some part of "the company". I know Hiro has met most of the other heroes, but don't specifically recall him meeting any of "the company", even HRG. If his father is on the inside, why would he have no idea what Hiro has been up to in the States? For that matter, Sulu surely would have at least seen or heard about the paintings and the explosion, which Hiro is an integral part of. I've got an idea this will be expanded on later.

Saying you have a destiny and saying you can bend space-time are two completely different things. Sulu probably doesn't know that his son has abilities.

I have to think he does...he's just not letting on.

You sure that wasn't the old preview where Peter saved Claude? HRG and the Haitan aren't working together anymore, as far as we know.

Yes, they were wearing different clothes and the building, etc. looked different, different camera angle completely, etc.

Mrs. Petrelli knows The Haitian and she also speaks French. It is possible that she and/or her late husband was involved in finding The Haitian initially. Papa Petrelli worked as Linderman's lawyer, so she must know Linderman as well. It somehow occurred to me that she and Linderman could have been a lover (Nathan and/or Peter's real father?).

Maybe he's blood-related to *all* the heroes, possibly even their father? Maybe the old guy really got around. ;)

I wonder if the Illusionist can also become a male (or completely disappear)? Probably, but two people she became so far were females. What technology can tell if that is real or not ("The Company" must know)?

Ewww, please don't raise the possibility that the hottest new character on the show might be a dude. :(


The Nikki/Jessica storyline has gotten a lot better. DL is suspecting something. Nikki seems to be coming back (she can do something without Jessica knowing just like Jessica did before).

Agree that Nikkie/Jessica was actually tolerable this time.

i understand but seriously... wont post on this thread anymore.... sorry if i bothered peeps with my posting
wow.... thanks guys.... for the good of discussion. i wont post in this thread anymore...
thank god.... i didnt want her to leave...
You've really turned out to be quite the man of your word, haven't you? :rolleyes:

Well, I'm sure you've taught the guys who questioned your veracity with regard to certain information, a lesson. :p

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One question though... was that the cheerleader with brown/black dyed hair in that one shot on upcoming episodes part at the end?Looked like Claire to me...

Looked like Claire to me...

Ditto. Looks like she goes undercover.

Maybe he's blood-related to *all* the heroes, possibly even their father? Maybe the old guy really got around. ;)
I considered that possibility as well. From what we know at this point, it appears that the purely 'evolutionary' aspects of how the heroes got their powers, is less important than is their bloodlines or the experimentation that may have been performed on them or their parents.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Lindeman got around a lot, but the connection to the Petrelli wife might simply reflect a powerful man wanting an "ear"of his own among each of his top people, so he can keep track of what they're really doing,

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Oh, I'd be surprised/disappointed if he was all of their fathers (afterall, heroes are supposedly showing up all over the world according to the suresh list), but he could be blood-related to some of the main characters (most likely Nathan/Peter/Claire).

I've got one thing that is bugging me a little, and don't recall seeing it mentioned much here. We have seen Hiro's father (Sulu) twice now, once when he comes back to the US and confronts Hiro and Ando with Hiro's sister. Then later (although it's actually earlier, I am going in episode order), he is seen seemingly part of "the company", and actually is the one who gives Claire to Bennett/HRG, and seems to have been involved with the fire that ended up not killing Claire or her mother . That's the part that doesn't seem to getting much discussion. At first I thought I was mistaken, that it was another "generic japanese" gentleman on the roof with Claire and HRG, but I just checked, and it is him.
It raises questions about how come Hiro isn't subject to the same control and scrutiny as Claire, does his father and "the company" not know he's "special", ok, maybe not the first time when he was a kid, but the 2nd time he literally tells his father he is a "hero" and has a destiny.
Wouldn't they want to control/study him like they do all the others?
Maybe they will build and expand on his role in "the company" and his present role in future episodes.When I saw the most recent episode with George Takei (Sulu), I figured either 1) he wanted to protect his son from the company, just like Bennett wanted to protect Claire; or 2) the company already knew about Hiro, but Takei wanted to protect him from the bomb in New York and/or Sylar, both of which he had almost certainly heard about through company channels.

Another possibility is the company as we know it with HRG has no jurisdiction over Japanese citizens, if not Hiro specifically. It's possible that Takei's company is the Japanese equivalent of their paper factory and Hiro is their responsibility.

When I saw the most recent episode with George Takei (Sulu), I figured either 1) he wanted to protect his son from the company, just like Bennett wanted to protect Claire; or 2) the company already knew about Hiro, but Takei wanted to protect him from the bomb in New York and/or Sylar, both of which he had almost certainly heard about through company channels.

Another possibility is the company as we know it with HRG has no jurisdiction over Japanese citizens, if not Hiro specifically. It's possible that Takei's company is the Japanese equivalent of their paper factory and Hiro is their responsibility.
Or it's honestly possible he doesn't know about Hiro's powers.

Remember: they didn't manifest themselves until that day in the office in the first episode. In addition, his personality tends to lend itself to others underestimating his potential.

Oh, I'd be surprised/disappointed if he was all of their fathers (afterall, heroes are supposedly showing up all over the world according to the suresh list), but he could be blood-related to some of the main characters (most likely Nathan/Peter/Claire).
I didn't mean to suggest it was quite as expansive as you've interpreted it. I don't think Mr. L's love juice is solely responsible for every single Hero out there. But now that the eclipse theory has either gone out the window or been abandoned, there will have to be some kind of alternative explanation for the dramatic physical and widely variable changes being experienced by quite a number of people. IOW, a unifying theory that will add at least the semblance of legitimacy to how the HEROES (and villians) came to be, other than wish fulfillment.

Yes, the Petrelli spawn are certainly prime candidates due to the nexus that has now been introduced. And I certainly wouldn't be surprised to find a few others in the mix. In fact, I'm having serious doubts as to whether Nikki's dad is her biological father.

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Yes, the Petrelli spawn are certainly prime candidates due to the nexus that has now been introduced. And I certainly wouldn't be surprised to find a few others in the mix. In fact, I'm having serious doubts as to whether Nikki's dad is her biological father.


Ditto, but that brings up the disturbing possibility that she and Nathan are blood-related. Ew.

Ditto, but that brings up the disturbing possibility that she and Nathan are blood-related. Ew.
I second that one. There are too many V.C. Andrews novel adaptations out there already...

Just a thought, but I don't think we can say for sure that Issac's painting is of himself. I think there is a chance that it could also be Mohinder.

The dude in the painting had curly hair, a gun and dark facial hair (this is more descriptive of Mo than Issac). I don't know why Sylar would want Mo's brain, but I don't think we should rule him out completely.

I'm still like 90% that it's Issac, but I just wanted to throw that out there.

Heres an idea....

What if the exploding man is Cylar? Im thinking that he may have found the first genetic flaw in Peter, but didnt know what would happen until he updated his own DNA with the change. Somewhere in this process Peter flies away, leaving Cylar with his new found gift of going boom.

Is it doable?

I predict (and it's just a prediction) that jumping through time-and-space hoops with Hiro will rub off on Ando, giving him some type of ability of his own. We still don't know who reversed that gunshot, or do we?

We've already seen an escallation of Hiro's power in the last episode when he transported Ando and himself. I don't think he's done that before. It's nice to see a "normal" sidekick mixed up in this as well. Gives a different aspect to the story.

Also, did Isaac "shoot-up" for his latest painting? (distraught for shooting I saw him open the box and drop the needle, but wasn't clear on wether he did or not.

What did I miss that makes you think George Takei's character is not Hiro's real father?

Sulu gave baby Claire to HRG to raise as his daughter (and watch for the development of powers). Sulu could be doing the same thing with Hiro. Either Sulu has powers too, Hiro is adopted, or Hiro being a company man's son is an amazing coincidence.

Sulu gave baby Claire to HRG to raise as his daughter (and watch for the development of powers). Sulu could be doing the same thing with Hiro. Either Sulu has powers too, Hiro is adopted, or Hiro being a company man's son is an amazing coincidence.

Another spoiler from Howard Stern

Sulu said that his character, as far as he knew, was unaware of how special Hiro was. It doesnt mean the show's writers dont know about it, just that Sulu gets one show's script at a time.

Gotta a problem with the statement "save the world". My memory might be faulty but when Hiro timeshifts forward and observes a bombed out NY, I thought I could see cranes clearing/rebuilding and cars moving on the road. Just because NY gets bombed that does not indicate the end of the world. Perhaps the writers have something bigger in mind with the world comment and not just the NY explosion.

I deleted the episode from by DVR. Can anyone confirm the NY background activity?

I have absolutely no spoilers, but here are some observations and a (probably wrong) speculation.

We have no evidence that the future (per Isaac's paintings) can be changed.

We have a future leap by Hiro/Ando that shows that NY has exploded.

We very tellingly see reconstruction work going on. The city will apparently recover, in fact the damage looks limited to a portion of Manhattan.

Future Hiro said, "Save the cheerleader, save the world" not "save NYC."

What if: Sylar successfully absorbs Peter's power and could then access other Hero's powers without killing them. He could be considered a threat to all of humanity (the world.) Peter is able to recover from the head injury due to saving Claire and realized that using Ted's power is the only way to stop Sylar forever. He confronts Sylar again and explodes. That part of NYC had to be destroyed was to put it mildly, unfortunate. Peter may or may not survive/Cliffhanger.

Next season, the Hero's are on the run from a "normal" human population that is intent to exterminate them all for revenge for the destruction of NYC.

Opinions?

Edited--cross posted with tdtobat--yes NYC is not completely destroyed.

I deleted the episode from by DVR. Can anyone confirm the NY background activity?

I dunno about cranes, but I definitely saw cars moving along on the road in the background.

There were cranes moving/lifting material. Looked like a couple of new towers being built.

Gotta a problem with the statement "save the world". My memory might be faulty but when Hiro timeshifts forward and observes a bombed out NY, I thought I could see cranes clearing/rebuilding and cars moving on the road. Just because NY gets bombed that does not indicate the end of the world. Perhaps the writers have something bigger in mind with the world comment and not just the NY explosion.

I deleted the episode from by DVR. Can anyone confirm the NY background activity?

There is definitely crane activity and cars moving around. Definitely.

Also, this wasn't revealed in the show, but the writer/creator of the show said this about the NY bombing and what you are seeing, so sorry, I have to put it in a spoiler.

Hiro and Ando teleported into the futrue 5 years AFTER the explosion. That is why there is rebuilding, etc. Also about the painting, they said it was a picture of Isaac. He painted his own death.

I have absolutely no spoilers, but here are some observations and a (probably wrong) speculation.

We have no evidence that the future (per Isaac's paintings) can be changed.

We have a future leap by Hiro/Ando that shows that NY has exploded.

We very tellingly see reconstruction work going on. The city will apparently recover, in fact the damage looks limited to a portion of Manhattan.

Future Hiro said, "Save the cheerleader, save the world" not "save NYC."

What if: Sylar successfully absorbs Peter's power and could then access other Hero's powers without killing them. He could be considered a threat to all of humanity (the world.) Peter is able to recover from the head injury due to saving Claire and realized that using Ted's power is the only way to stop Sylar forever. He confronts Sylar again and explodes. That part of NYC had to be destroyed was to put it mildly, unfortunate. Peter may or may not survive/Cliffhanger.

Next season, the Hero's are on the run from a "normal" human population that is intent to exterminate them all for revenge for the destruction of NYC.

Opinions?

Edited--cross posted with tdtobat--yes NYC is not completely destroyed.

The problem with this is that Peter has already dreamed future DIALOGUE with his brother Nathan to the extent of "I absorbed his power....now I can't stop it!!!". Technically this doesn't prove it's Peter (some have theorized that Sylar absorbed illusion/shapeshifter girl's powers and just appears as Peter), but it felt like a brother to brother moment to me.

What if: Sylar successfully absorbs Peter's power and could then access other Hero's powers without killing them. He could be considered a threat to all of humanity (the world.) Peter is able to recover from the head injury due to saving Claire and realized that using Ted's power is the only way to stop Sylar forever. He confronts Sylar again and explodes. That part of NYC had to be destroyed was to put it mildly, unfortunate. Peter may or may not survive/Cliffhanger.

Next season, the Hero's are on the run from a "normal" human population that is intent to exterminate them all for revenge for the destruction of NYC.

Opinions?


Sacrificing half of NYC is not heroic and it's not something the writers would have Peter do. You don't kill a million people to get to one. As far as we know Sylar has to extract the brain of heroes to learn their power, which means he can't extract Peter's power without killing him.

As for the Hero's being hunted by humans - it's too X-Men for me.

Sacrificing half of NYC is not heroic and it's not something the writers would have Peter do. You don't kill a million people to get to one.

Excellent point.

As for the Hero's being hunted by humans - it's too X-Men for me.

Me too, but it is a viable way to keep the story moving. I would prefer that to a "Hall of Justice/Superfriends" type scenario.

That and the fact that Heroes is a bonafide hit. Many of the viewers are unfamiliar with the X-men storyline(s).

That and the fact that Heroes is a bonafide hit. Many of the viewers are unfamiliar with the X-men storyline(s).
True. Trilogy of X-Men movies made over $1.15 billion at the box office, but nobody saw them. ;)

Off subject, I know, but I just saw a news article that the latest edition of Captain America comic on the newstand is all about the Death of Captain America. They decided to end it and he was killed in the comic. Kind of depressing, I liked old cap.

True. Trilogy of X-Men movies made over $1.15 billion at the box office, but nobody saw them. ;)

I'd be willing to bet a sizable portion of the Heroes audience hasn't.

What if: Sylar successfully absorbs Peter's power and could then access other Hero's powers without killing them. He could be considered a threat to all of humanity (the world.) Peter is able to recover from the head injury due to saving Claire and realized that using Ted's power is the only way to stop Sylar forever. He confronts Sylar again and explodes. That part of NYC had to be destroyed was to put it mildly, unfortunate. Peter may or may not survive/Cliffhanger.
Umm, kind of overkill actually, if we’re going to speculate. Let’s say Ted has Ted’s powers, Sylar has Ted’s powers, or Peter has Ted’s powers. Doesn’t matter. Whichever one can be stopped the same way. Peter has Nathan’s power of flight, and Nathan's confrontation with HRG taught us that it isn’t the ‘winged-bird power’ as it originally appeared, but more along the lines of a jet-stream rocket-fuel speed flying. Whoever is going to blow (including himself), Peter just has to get them high enough up in the atmosphere so that the explosion doesn’t destroy the 8 million population of NYC, even if it takes out a fair amount of the skyline. After all, this was the very first power that Peter ever realized he had.

Next season, the Hero's are on the run from a "normal" human population that is intent to exterminate them all for revenge for the destruction of NYC.
Well I sincerely hope our country/NYC is a lot more successful at “revenge for the destruction of NYC” that time around. :(

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We've already seen an escallation of Hiro's power in the last episode when he transported Ando and himself. I don't think he's done that before. It's nice to see a "normal" sidekick mixed up in this as well. Gives a different aspect to the story.I thought Hiro transported them both when they initially came to America.

the image of Isaac's head chopped off could be a shapeshifter taking Isaac's image, then getting killed. wouldn't put it past the show's producers.


Yes, this makes sense since the shapeshifter is not a likeable character at all while I do give her the benefit of the doubt that she is a halfway decent actress.;)

Yes, this makes sense since the shapeshifter is not a likeable character at all while I do give her the benefit of the doubt that she is a halfway decent actress.;)
I like her. Quite easy on the eyes. ;)

I like her. Quite easy on the eyes. ;)

Nice to look at yes, but she's heartless..Look at how she treated Simones death in front of Issac...

I thought Hiro transported them both when they initially came to America.

No, he transported himself the first time...and into the future at the same time.

But when he teleported back to Japan (and the present), he and Ando then came to America via plane.

Off subject, I know, but I just saw a news article that the latest edition of Captain America comic on the newstand is all about the Death of Captain America. They decided to end it and he was killed in the comic. Kind of depressing, I liked old cap.
He'll no doubt get better.

Nice to look at yes, but she's heartless..Look at how she treated Simones death in front of Issac...
That's why I like her - she's an ass. :)

Off subject, I know, but I just saw a news article that the latest edition of Captain America comic on the newstand is all about the Death of Captain America. They decided to end it and he was killed in the comic. Kind of depressing, I liked old cap.

Yes, sad. Assassinated going up the steps of a courthouse, or so I read on the web. I don't keep up with comics anymore, but I'll ask my brother, he still does.

He'll no doubt get better.
Was he turned into a newt?

Yes, sad. Assassinated going up the steps of a courthouse, or so I read on the web. I don't keep up with comics anymore, but I'll ask my brother, he still does.
Just read it and it's actually a very good issue. The guys at Marvel insist that he's "really dead" - Steve Rogers, that is, not Captain America, as someone else will soon wear his costume.

He'll no doubt get better.
Get better? Cap was nearly 90 years old; this is as good as he gets.

Nice to look at yes, but she's heartless..Look at how she treated Simones death in front of Issac...

She makes a good badguy, ummm, badgirl! ;)

Just read it and it's actually a very good issue. The guys at Marvel insist that he's "really dead" - Steve Rogers, that is, not Captain America, as someone else will soon wear his costume.


A Moment of Silence for the Captain.............................

We can at least comfort ourselves that he is in Heaven and finally reunited with his Life-Partner Bucky. :-)

IOW, a unifying theory that will add at least the semblance of legitimacy to how the HEROES (and villians) came to be, other than wish fulfillment.
well unless Mohinder's dad's formula includes "who Linderman slept with", i don't think it has anything to do with Linderman's specific genes. and it doesn't have anything to do with covert operations unless an a scientist in India is privy to that info.

A Moment of Silence for the Captain.............................

We can at least comfort ourselves that he is in Heaven and finally reunited with his Life-Parnter Bucky. :-)

That is so wrong. :D

That is so wrong. :D

:-)

What next Iteki, apple pie and motherhood?

:)

Just read it and it's actually a very good issue. The guys at Marvel insist that he's "really dead" - Steve Rogers, that is, not Captain America, as someone else will soon wear his costume.
- I haven't read comics since the late 90's, but didn't Marvel implement a "Dead is dead" policy so they couldn't pull any more cheap stunts?

- I haven't read comics since the late 90's, but didn't Marvel implement a "Dead is dead" policy so they couldn't pull any more cheap stunts?
Unless it's profitable enough to pull a cheap stunt...

...of course, that doesn't rule out prequals, others taking the hero's place, etc....

- I haven't read comics since the late 90's, but didn't Marvel implement a "Dead is dead" policy so they couldn't pull any more cheap stunts?

Bucky came back as the Winter Soldier, Aunt May came back somehow, Nick Fury also...

I haven't read comics in a few years, but I doubt we won't see Steve Rogers back whenever they release a Captain America movie.

That's why I like her - she's an ass. :)

And, has a nice one of those too.

Did I mention I love that plaid skirt of her? :D

X-Men Psylocke and Colossus also returned from the dead not long after the "dead is dead" policy went into effect.

(So I guess we're going to keep this thread alive by going seriously off topic for the next six weeks.)

What next Iteki, apple pie and motherhood?

:)

No sorry, I won't attack any more American Institutions :-)

X-Men Psylocke and Colossus also returned from the dead not long after the "dead is dead" policy went into effect.


Don't forget Hawkeye. He wasn't dead for more than a year before coming back a few months ago.

But Hiro also said that (after the explosion) Peter had talked to him about wishing he could have been more involved. That is the reason Hiro went to the past to give Peter direction "save the cheerleader".

Now that Peter has met with future Hiro, he has saved her, he has gained her powers and he has become much more involved. The timeline has changed. Original Peter never met Claire and probably did get his scar from this encounter with Sylar. New Peter has Claire's power and this is the point where he gets to make a difference and be more involved.


This makes the most sense. I do feel the timelines can be changed. If not, Hiro and Peter meeting in the subway would not have happened. There has to be a first time Hiro goes back to see Peter, hence the timeline changes once he does so....

The Peter that never met Hiro wouldn't of survived his encounter then with Sylar because he wouldn't of had Claire's healing power. So he wouldn't be alive to have a scar to recognize.


Peter has other abilities which would have allowed him to get away from sylar. He may also get all of Sylars powers the moment they fight as well..So this theory Peter got a scar fighting Sylar before meeting or saving Claire and now that he saved her keeps him from getting any type of scar is very plausible..

Peter has other abilities which would have allowed him to get away from sylar. He may also get all of Sylars powers the moment they fight as well..So this theory Peter got a scar fighting Sylar before meeting or saving Claire and now that he saved her keeps him from getting any type of scar is very plausible..

So here Peter can get all of Sylar's eclectic powers including telekinesis, in addition to Claire's power of self-healing, but Sylar can't heal because he hasn't "gotten" Claire's powers yet. Peter could reverse the trick on Sylar, possibly killing him or making him flee for dear life. It would be interesting to watch next episode. :)

Who's to say he couldn't get the power to heal from Peter?

Well he would have to kill peter in order for that to happen. But, I think many of you are forgetting that Peter already has all of Sylar's powers (when he first fought with Sylar at the homecoming game) whether he can use them yet or not. He has already shown telekinesis when meeting with Isaac right before Simone's death. In theory, the only powers Peter doesn't have is the super hearing and the liquifying abilities Sylar gained in the last few episodes. So if Peter can use those powers Sylar should be at a significant disadvantage.

Just like when the guy on the roof was teaching Peter to control his powers, I think that Peter will reverse it on sylar and save himself.

Well he would have to kill peter in order for that to happen. But, I think many of you are forgetting that Peter already has all of Sylar's powers (when he first fought with Sylar at the homecoming game) whether he can use them yet or not. He has already shown telekinesis when meeting with Isaac right before Simone's death. In theory, the only powers Peter doesn't have is the super hearing and the liquifying abilities Sylar gained in the last few episodes. So if Peter can use those powers Sylar should be at a significant disadvantage.
We don't know that he has to kill Peter - only that he so far has done it. He may not realize it's possible to absorb powers without harming someone. Perhaps the heat of battle with Peter will allow that. On the other hand, if he carves open Peters head and takes the powers, Peter may still be able to heal himself and continue the fight.

Nathan Petrelli is said to have two kids (in addition to Claire). We haven't seen these children, have we? So we don't know their ages or whether they might "manifest" soon?

We don't know that he has to kill Peter - only that he so far has done it. He may not realize it's possible to absorb powers without harming someone. Perhaps the heat of battle with Peter will allow that.
probably not since he (allegedly) scalps Isaac in the future.
Nathan Petrelli is said to have two kids (in addition to Claire). We haven't seen these children,
i think they were at the breakfast when Nathan gets interviewed and Peter busts in?

So here Peter can get all of Sylar's eclectic powers including telekinesis, in addition to Claire's power of self-healing, but Sylar can't heal because he hasn't "gotten" Claire's powers yet. Peter could reverse the trick on Sylar, possibly killing him or making him flee for dear life. It would be interesting to watch next episode. :)Maybe I missed it, but I still don't know/understand how Sylar survived that fall at Claire's school. Pete's injuries were healed because of Claire obviously, but I guess Sylar survived by landing on Peter(?) :rolleyes:.

Maybe I missed it, but I still don't know/understand how Sylar survived that fall at Claire's school. Pete's injuries were healed because of Claire obviously, but I guess Sylar survived by landing on Peter(?) :rolleyes:.
Maybe Peter had been eating a lot of cookie dough ice cream leading up to that encounter. A little spare tire might have made the difference.... ;)

Maybe I missed it, but I still don't know/understand how Sylar survived that fall at Claire's school. Pete's injuries were healed because of Claire obviously, but I guess Sylar survived by landing on Peter(?) :rolleyes:.

I don't remember if Peter or Sylar hit the ground directly after the fall. It would not surprise me if Peter crashed hard, while Sylar used his telekinesis powers to cushion his fall, possibly even using Peter to absorb the brunt of the hit, with the telekinesis power providing additional cushion. Can anyone clarify if it was shown that Sylar fell on top of Peter, or if it was vice versa?

Sylar couldn't get Claire's powers because he hasn't ever come into close proximity with her.

Nathan Petrelli is said to have two kids (in addition to Claire). We haven't seen these children, have we? Yes, in some of the very early episodes there were a few scenes at his home and the kids were there.

Yes, in some of the very early episodes there were a few scenes at his home and the kids were there.I wonder if those kids were extras or under contract.

Or perhaps we'll see entirely new actors playing those kids in a season or two.

Can anyone clarify if it was shown that Sylar fell on top of Peter, or if it was vice versa?I'm pretty sure he landed on Peter. He got up and trucked outta there as if he didn't feel a thing. I may still have that ep on DVR.

I'm pretty sure he landed on Peter. He got up and trucked outta there as if he didn't feel a thing. I may still have that ep on DVR.

He was hurt, he bled and was limping when Eden and the Haitian took him down.

I hate heroes, I really love this show. (dispite it's second fiddle status on Monday night 24 gets the first run treatment.) both breaks they leave with a great episode and good cliffhanger. Even though the dream in the end pt 1 was a little over the top. I am all for a 24 type season next year. But this no repeat 3 cliffhanger 3 part season one has been one of the best decissions any network has done in years. I for one will probably really miss this show during the long summer break. Knowing NBC they will stream it out later next season so they can maximize even more ratings. What are they going to leave the 3rd part off with, everyone good vs/ bad getting ready to do battle? Everyone is slowly meeting, the bomb will be stopped and the bad has to come up with another plan. Decepticons retreat!!!!!

I hate heroes, I really love this show.
Umm, since this thread is devoted to the show 'Heroes', I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're one of the new characters they're going to be introducing; and that your power is the ability to incomprehensibly contradict yourself without realizing it. :rolleyes:

Sylar, beware! :D

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Major spoilers about season 2 here:
http://heroes-spoilers.blogspot.com/index.html

I haven't read them, but apparently they're big. (Remember to use the spoiler tag if you want to actually discuss them please)

Major spoilers about season 2 here:
http://heroes-spoilers.blogspot.com/index.html

I haven't read them, but apparently they're big. (Remember to use the spoiler tag if you want to actually discuss them please)
Okay, now normally I generally tend to avoid 'spoilers', but its Monday, and while I have a Jack Attack to look forward to this evening, I'm jonesing because the next Heroes fix is like a month and a half away, and I deleted a bunch of eps on the DVR to make space for the HBO-HD original SW trilogy and some HD BSG.

The bad news or good news (depending on how you look at it) is that this linked spoiler-blog is no great shakes. 95% of what is in there, you already know from the eps that have been shown, and most of the other 5%, you have probably already guessed or suspect.

Jokell apparently hasn't read them, but I don't think there are many in here that he would probably characterize as "big" himself , after the fact. Couple of decent general statements about Season 2, and maybe a couple of things that weren't quite as clear in the episodes, but IMO, these simply aren't the kind of 'spoilers' that will ruin the show for most of the regular fans, particularly if you've kept up with the episodes.
"Major spoilers"?? Most seemed more like sargents or lieutenants to me. YMMV :)


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This quote keeps floating in my head...

"All of this has happened before. And all of this will happen again."

Hong.

Okay, now normally I generally tend to avoid 'spoilers', but its Monday, and while I have a Jack Attack to look forward to this evening, I'm jonesing because the next Heroes fix is like a month and a half away, and I deleted a bunch of eps on the DVR to make space for the HBO-HD original SW trilogy and some HD BSG.

The bad news or good news (depending on how you look at it) is that this linked spoiler-blog is no great shakes. 95% of what is in there, you already know from the eps that have been shown, and most of the other 5%, you have probably already guessed or suspect.

Jokell apparently hasn't read them, but I don't think there are many in here that he would probably characterize as "big" himself , after the fact. Couple of decent general statements about Season 2, and maybe a couple of things that weren't quite as clear in the episodes, but IMO, these simply aren't the kind of 'spoilers' that will ruin the show for most of the regular fans, particularly if you've kept up with the episodes.
"Major spoilers"?? Most seemed more like sargents or lieutenants to me. YMMV :)


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Sorry, meant to link to this page:
http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=thud&id=8969

If you're into spoiler reading, how bad is that one? I didn't read it. ;)

This quote keeps floating in my head...

"All of this has happened before. And all of this will happen again."

Hong.

BSG fan? :)

Sorry, meant to link to this page:
http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=thud&id=8969

If you're into spoiler reading, how bad is that one? I didn't read it. ;)
Spoilers, yes, but the author's derision is tiring:

For the last couple of weeks I have been toying with an editorial called “Heroes Is the Most Compellingly Bad Show on Television.” The basic concept was to explain why I tune in to Heroes (or, more accurately, why I TiVo it) even though I think the show is poorly plotted, written and acted.
Followed by several paragraphs of "I am a comics geek" rant.

Who's to say he couldn't get the power to heal from Peter?

It appears that from everything we know about Sylar, he has to study the brain in order to determine how it is "wired" in order to re-wire his power. Its different then Peter. Peter can absorb, Sylar studies.

Umm, since this thread is devoted to the show 'Heroes', I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're one of the new characters they're going to be introducing; and that your power is the ability to incomprehensibly contradict yourself without realizing it. :rolleyes:

Sylar, beware! :D

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You like that power, i think it is great but it can be bad at times.

Okay, now normally I generally tend to avoid 'spoilers', but its Monday, and while I have a Jack Attack to look forward to this evening, I'm jonesing because the next Heroes fix is like a month and a half away, and I deleted a bunch of eps on the DVR to make space for the HBO-HD original SW trilogy and some HD BSG.

The bad news or good news (depending on how you look at it) is that this linked spoiler-blog is no great shakes. 95% of what is in there, you already know from the eps that have been shown, and most of the other 5%, you have probably already guessed or suspect.

Jokell apparently hasn't read them, but I don't think there are many in here that he would probably characterize as "big" himself , after the fact. Couple of decent general statements about Season 2, and maybe a couple of things that weren't quite as clear in the episodes, but IMO, these simply aren't the kind of 'spoilers' that will ruin the show for most of the regular fans, particularly if you've kept up with the episodes.
"Major spoilers"?? Most seemed more like sargents or lieutenants to me. YMMV :)


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But now you make me want to read them, Damm you!!! However, after that shocker during the "jack attack" I might be able to hold out until Monday.

Nathan Petrelli is said to have two kids (in addition to Claire). We haven't seen these children, have we? So we don't know their ages or whether they might "manifest" soon?

The thing is, we don't know if a "hero" sleeps with a "non-hero", if their kid will be a "hero."

We do know when two "heroes" have a kid, their kid is a "hero." (DL + Nikki/Jessica = Micah, Nathan + Claire's mom = Claire)

For us to know for sure if Nathan's other kids would be heroes, we would need to know if his wife (played by Rena Sofer) is a hero herself. Otherwise we have no idea and so far no indication that a hero/non hero pairing yields a hero.

Before we ever hear about Nathan's kids I think we'll hear about Parkman and whether his soon to be kid is a hero. Of course, that assume Parkman's wife is preggo with his kid, and not the guy she cheated with.

hmmmmm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070317/tv_nm/nbc_heroes_lawsuit_dc_1

Hmmmmm, I'm not entirely sure the idea of a guy who can fly is original either. Or the invisible guy. Or hearing other people's thoughts. UH OH! :D
Hopefully this lawsuit isn't taken seriously enough to open up a floodgate lawsuits. Let's face it, after 80+ years of comic books, probably every single possible super ability has been done countless times.

If NBC really did meet with them though, that's pretty crappy.

The show is not great because they came up with an idea that no one had before. The show is great because of superior writing. The personal interaction between the characters was not an idea it is a skill and as cavalierlwt said there is no really original idea here anyway.

[QUOTE]The show is not great because they came up with an idea that no one had before. The show is great because of superior writing.[QUOTE]
i agree but that has nothing to do with whether or not they copied someone else's idea. it remains to be seen just how similar these 2 characters are. did the original one also need drugs, draw comics, predict the 'end of the world'?

I hope 7% is a good show. would not be good to have a lackluster comeback ep.

with each month long hiatus this show has, i find myself thinking more and more about not tuning in again...

i said it before and i'll say it again...these long breaks do a great job of killing interest in a new show...

If you're thinking about the show now, I'm pretty sure you'll turn it on when it returns. Will it be "good enough" to hold your interest once it returns? We'll see.

While it would be nice to have a continuous run of episodes, you don't find too many shows that need this, and the networks probably aren't willing to take that risk, especially on a brand new show. 24 was an exception, but worked well with Fox's schedule of covering baseball well into the "normal" fall schedule.

While my wife might disagree, TV doesn't run my life and I can live with the breaks that they throw at us. I will be there when this show returns (April 23?).

[QUOTE]The show is not great because they came up with an idea that no one had before. The show is great because of superior writing.[QUOTE]
i agree but that has nothing to do with whether or not they copied someone else's idea. it remains to be seen just how similar these 2 characters are. did the original one also need drugs, draw comics, predict the 'end of the world'?

According to a friend of mine who is involved in the suit, there are a great number of similarites. If in fact NBC stole their pitch they might have a real case. Art Buchwald won his case over the movie "coming to America", because the ripped off his idea for the movie.

Of course, comic books have a rich history of ripping off books and other comic books for their material. If the TV show was merely inspired by the artists work (rather than stealing their idea for a TV series) they are not going to win anything. I don't think Jack Kirby was compensated for "Star Wars", although it is obvious that Lucas borrowed heavily from Jack Kirby's "New Gods".

I don't think Jack Kirby was compensated for "Star Wars", although it is obvious that Lucas borrowed heavily from Jack Kirby's "New Gods".Was 'capt. Jack' still alive back in '77?

Jack Kirby died February 6th, 1994. He was still working in '77.

with each month long hiatus this show has, i find myself thinking more and more about not tuning in again...

i said it before and i'll say it again...these long breaks do a great job of killing interest in a new show...

just be glad you never started watching Men in Trees on Thursday.

I can live with 5 weeks off air as long as the previous episode finished well and there is other stuff to watch.

It's not even April 1st and people are already jonesing for something Heroes-related. :eek:

Its going to be a loooong month. :D

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Jack Kirby died February 6th, 1994. He was still working in '77.OK, thanks. That's not to say his family couldn't benefit if he were truly ripped-off.

OK, thanks. That's not to say his family couldn't benefit if he were truly ripped-off.

"May the source be with you!" Salutation used by the New Gods

"Orion wields the awesome power of the ASTROFORCE", sounds like the "force" to me.


Major plot element is that, unbeknownst to the young hero Orion, he is actually the son of the villain Darkseid. Darth Vader bears a strong resemblance to Darkseid and an even stronger resemblance to another Kirby creation: Dr. Doom.

The Storm Troopers strongly resemble the "Bugs", etc.

But, unless Kirby had written a screenplay, or pitched "The New Gods" as a movie to Lucas, there isn't a strong case. I think that he borrowed so heavily from Kirby's work that he really should have worked out a deal to compensate D.C. and Kirby, but he wasn't legally obligated to.

Jocasta: "Oedipus, marry me and we will rule Thebes together."
Oedipus:"Never"
Jocasta: "Oedipus, don't get a complex about this, but I am your Mother."
Oedipus:"Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"


Yep, love those original ideas about complex family relationships.

Darth Vader bears a strong resemblance to Darkseid and an even stronger resemblance to another Kirby creation: Dr. Doom.I thought I was the only one who felt that way. Everytime I see Vader, Doom immediately springs to mind. I even started a thread concerning this when the Fantastic Four went into production.

edit> Here's that thread: http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=491202&highlight=Doom

For those who missed any episodes (and if you did, shame on you :( ;) ), SciFi is running a five episode Heroes marathon tonight (obviously not in HDTV, but this is the only Heroes thread I know of).

Actually, now that I think about it, for those who have UHD, this will be the diametric opposite of your BSG viewing habits. :)

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It's not even April 1st and people are already jonesing for something Heroes-related. :eek:

Its going to be a loooong month. :D

I've been missing it since week 1 of the off time. PB & 24 just dont cut it. CSI Miami is cool but getting old as well.

sure this show can be annoying too but it just seems a lil more entertaining to me. Also like the comics. havent viewed the interactive versions though to see whatever supposed to be extra.

just read some spoiler stuff and saw a few pics. thats why I brought this back up so soon... :D

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_library.shtml