For those who missed any episodes (and if you did, shame on you :( ;) ), SciFi is running a five episode Heroes marathon tonight (obviously not in HDTV, but this is the only Heroes thread I know of).
Actually, for those who missed several episodes (especially early ones) I think at this point you'd be best off not watching right now and just wait for the DVD set to hit in August.

(I can't imagine trying to explain everyone's backstory to someone coming in now...)

I take it we're not going to see any NBC reruns. I'd sure like to capture the first ep in HD.

Actually, for those who missed several episodes (especially early ones) I think at this point you'd be best off not watching right now and just wait for the DVD set to hit in August.

(I can't imagine trying to explain everyone's backstory to someone coming in now...)
NBC has all the episodes available online. Full screen mode is not too bad either.


http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes_01.shtml
NBC.com > 24|7 Video > Rewind > Full Episodes > Heroes

I caught a piece on one of those entertainment shows the other night about the 10 year old kid that plays Micah. I didn't know he was a certified prodigy/genius. Pretty amazing little kid really. The showed him playing the piano and he was great.


ron

he did the morning/talk shows and was pretty good on the Damon Wayan's show "My Wife & Kids". Also seem him on a few other shows as a 1 show guest.

I was watching Remember the Titans the other day and realize Claire was in it. def just grew up but not much changed in the face.

I caught a piece on one of those entertainment shows the other night about the 10 year old kid that plays Micah. I didn't know he was a certified prodigy/genius. Pretty amazing little kid really. The showed him playing the piano and he was great.Yep. I watched a few times back when it was on, and he carried that show on his back. He played the piano well, and spoke fluent latin.

Unless you also speak fluent Latin, are you sure?

I take it we're not going to see any NBC reruns. I'd sure like to capture the first ep in HD.

Since the last new episode of Heroes aired I bought an HDTV (an Olevia 747i 47" 1080p LCD :) ) and I'm dying to see the last two or three episodes (particularly "Company Men," one of the single best hours of network TV I've ever seen in my life) in HD. I know Sci-Fi will probably repeat them, but any chance NBC will repeat the last couple of episodes in HD before the April 28th return? :(

Unless you also speak fluent Latin, are you sure?You got me...I was just puttin' you guys on. His latin is actually terrible.....

NBC has all the episodes available online. Full screen mode is not too bad either.

http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes_01.shtml
NBC.com > 24|7 Video > Rewind > Full Episodes > Heroes
If you don't mind the poor resolution and, at least in my case, can stand the episode stopping quite frequently to rebuffer… (I think I made it about five minutes into Episode I without giving up.)

I caught a piece on one of those entertainment shows the other night about the 10 year old kid that plays Micah. I didn't know he was a certified prodigy/genius. Pretty amazing little kid really. The showed him playing the piano and he was great.


ron

You know, when that kid first appeared on the show, there was something about him - a "naturalness" and ease in how well he acted his part. But he's more than just another Dakota Fleming.... There's something in his eyes; you can just tell the kid is super-bright (if not super-powered). My wife commented on the same thing. It's hard to quantify, but it's something you don't see very often in kids that age; certainly not in the kid who played Walt on LOST, for example, who seemed just like any other child actor. Nope, this one is different.

If you don't mind the poor resolution and, at least in my case, can stand the episode stopping quite frequently to rebuffer… (I think I made it about five minutes into Episode I without giving up.)
Yes, I only watched about a minute of Ep 1. I do recall that buffering problem from something else I watched at NBC.com though, the final eps of that show about the preacher who talks to Jesus, I seem to recall it had the same problem.

There's always BT for the legally challenged. :p

Since the last new episode of Heroes aired I bought an HDTV (an Olevia 747i 47" 1080p LCD :) ) and I'm dying to see the last two or three episodes (particularly "Company Men," one of the single best hours of network TV I've ever seen in my life) in HD. I know Sci-Fi will probably repeat them, but any chance NBC will repeat the last couple of episodes in HD before the April 28th return? :(
you might be out of luck, these shows do not generate ratings good enough for repeats so as of right now repeats of Hero's will be left to you. Either by going online and seeing it for free or waiting for the DVD collection in August or September. The only repeats you might see on NBC is a gap filler for the schedule or the Saturday night repeats. Before next season you might get the last 2 episodes leading into the season premiere, but that may be it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

If you don't mind the poor resolution and, at least in my case, can stand the episode stopping quite frequently to rebuffer… (I think I made it about five minutes into Episode I without giving up.)
It wasn't that bad for me. As long as you dedicate yourself to only watching the show. Once you start surfing at the same time the delays start. I don't get the stoppage you get just a slow down of the PQ. It does look very good. I am catching up with my other shows that I missed last week. Full screen is out of the question with DSL.

D*mn promo clips!!! (I hope they are doing a creative editing like "Lost".)

Hong.

Wow, for those of you who do happen to read the online novels, this week's offers a huge revelation that people have been speculating at for most of the series.

Linderman and the Petrelli's father were in Vietnam together, and Linderman has a power.

Can someone tell me when new episodes should be back?

2 weeks from yesterday, the 23rd.

Not that I think this will have much overall impact in the HD Disk format wars, but it has been announced that the 'Heroes' first full season apparently will be available on HD-DVD, with no mention of Blu-Ray. If I'm not mistaken, this will make two popular science fiction series that are to be released on that format, as it has been claimed or hinted that BSG will also be released on HDDVD, with no mention of BD.

"Heroes Breaks Ground With HD-DVD Release

April 9, 2007

Is there anything easier than getting spoiled by a nice HDTV? I curse every network that is not available in at least 720p in my area; thankfully, NBC is not one of them. Once you’ve watched an episode of Heroes, or anything of equally cinematic value, it is just impossible to go back to standard definition. This is part of the reason why my LOST season two DVD set has gone largely unwatched, and I have such little room left on my DVR. Well, the producers of Heroes, with the blessings of NBC announced at Wizard World that they will be breaking even more ground with their runaway smash hit by producing the first full season box set of Heroes available In HD-DVD.

If you haven’t been keeping score, there is something of a format war brewing in the world of High Definition disks. Two formats are vying for domination, HD-DVD and BluRay. Technophiles have managed to find virtues in both formats, but having seen them side-by-side, I cannot say I see a lot of difference. In the end, though, it isn’t even technology that wins these wars. It is software. Many moons ago when the studios decided to embrace VHS over the technically superior BetaMax format, the additional lines of resolution became entirely irrelevant to consumers who wanted to make sure they could choose from a diverse catalogue.

Heroes is, to my knowledge, the first television show to select a format. However, in the end, this probably won’t matter much as many of the studios have made deals with electronics manufacturers to back specific formats. Don’t worry though, players capable of playing both formats are beginning to become available; now if the pricing gets resolved, we’ll be all set.

The producers were very tight lipped about any extras the set might include other than the legendary 72-minute cut of the Heroes pilot."

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/heroes-breaks-ground-with-hddv-5646.aspx

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I have been trying to follow the HD DVD/Blu Ray format war, although I haven't actually invested in either technology yet, but I believe that Universal Studios is the only major studio left that is exclusively HD DVD. Several studios support both (WB), and quite a few more (Fox, Sony) are exclusively BD. Until Universal completely changes direction, there will not be a BD release of Heroes (or BSG).

2 weeks from yesterday, the 23rd.

Thanks

Back on the topic of the HD DVD release, there is already a 3 page long thread about it over on the HD DVD forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=831858

HD-DVD is an interesting choice considering that BR players are outselling HD-DVD at an over 2-1 ratio currently. Might become a moot point as the original article pointed out that multi-players are becoming more common. Sounds like the whole DVD+/- war all over again :)

HD-DVD is an interesting choice considering that BR players are outselling HD-DVD at an over 2-1 ratio currently. Might become a moot point as the original article pointed out that multi-players are becoming more common. Sounds like the whole DVD+/- war all over again :)
True on a technicality. Last article I read said 93% of BluRay player sales are PS3s.

Plus the show is a Universal NBC property, it makes perfect sense that it's going to be an HD-DVD.

HD-DVD is an interesting choice considering that BR players are outselling HD-DVD at an over 2-1 ratio currently. Might become a moot point as the original article pointed out that multi-players are becoming more common. Sounds like the whole DVD+/- war all over again :)

Isn't that because BR is "included" in the new Playstation consoles? I know I won't be buying into HD optical until there's a decently priced universal player for both formats. Screw 'em and their splendid little format war; I'm sitting this one out. :mad:

HD-DVD is an interesting choice considering that BR players are outselling HD-DVD at an over 2-1 ratio currently. Might become a moot point as the original article pointed out that multi-players are becoming more common. Sounds like the whole DVD+/- war all over again :)

I don't think they had a 'choice'...the studio backed that format already.

True on a technicality. Last article I read said 93% of BluRay player sales are PS3s.

Plus the show is a Universal NBC property, it makes perfect sense that it's going to be an HD-DVD.

Well, I think that is also partly due to the fact that the PS3 is the cheapest BluRay player on the market. I know a couple of friends that have bought a PS3 just to have a BluRay player, they aren't gamers.

*Everything* is moot right now regarding HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray. When Joe Sixpack starts buying substantial numbers of standalone players, then we'll see what happens. Right now they are not even dipping their toes in the water. They say $299 is one important price point, but $199 is the point where a device becomes nearly universal. Also not to be overlooked: porn. It may sound stupid, but porn availability has an impact as well.

In the meantime, our original topic, I've been recording Heroes via firewire from my Cable box, so I was hoping to just let that tide me over till the HD disc wars are settled. Unfortunately Comcast delivers *horrible* bitrates/encoding for 'Heroes'. I'll post a pic of what I have to deal with, you'll weep in sympathy! :rolleyes:

I know a couple of friends that have bought a PS3 just to have a BluRay player, they aren't gamers.
I think the first and last computer game I ever played was Pong. :p :D

If Universal ever starts supporting Blu-ray, I'm there. Until then DVD will do.

Heroes!

I think the first and last computer game I ever played was Pong. :p :D

Yeah, me too; never much saw the point in it. Although, in the interest of full disclosure, I did enjoy the occasional fling with Ms. Pac Man. ;)

Yeah, me too; never much saw the point in it. Although, in the interest of full disclosure, I did enjoy the occasional fling with Ms. Pac Man. ;)
Yep, same here, and I did mess around with Duke Nukem and Wolfenstien until I got nauseous and a headache and that was the end of that. :p

Old people are funny. :D

Old people are funny. :D

With any luck, you'll be a funny old person too, someday. ;)

way to truly get off topic peeps :rolleyes:

Wow, for those of you who do happen to read the online novels, this week's offers a huge revelation that people have been speculating at for most of the series.

Linderman and the Petrelli's father were in Vietnam together, and Linderman has a power.

no need for comics when its also in the show ;)

Wake up little thread. 3 days to show time. I know I can't wait. The previews have been a full of slight spoiler's but they are long enough to add to my angst, I want to see it now!!!

For all those people who needed a refresher course in HD, not the NBC rewind, The last 3 shows are being replayed on NBC in it's HD glory. So everyone tune in and enjoy. I know I will.

Wait, this show is still on the air? ;)

Wait, this show is still on the air? ;)
Not for another 3 days... ;)

It can't come soon enough!

yes another three days but you can catch up. You get a taste today at 7 pm and then a full meal sat night, but then they surprise us with a (Inset your best desert here)sara lee's pound cake and a brand new episodes.

wow... i cant wait... this show will probably help nbc with the ratings... hopefully they wont do this again next year

I am counting every minute. Its driving me freaking crazy!

My wife gets TV Guide. I suggest you don't read it if you're trying to avoid spoilers. Unfortunately, I was blind-sided.

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I need the dot....

I really dislike this new programming trend with these large gaps in the season. Ugh!

I need the dot....

I really dislike this new programming trend with these large gaps in the season. Ugh!
You can't satisfy everyone. There will always be complaints. 24 & AI has ruined us for life. These are the 2 shows that have proven that people will watch with steady ratings if the show is run continuously. But the networks have been making millions by expanding 22 shows over the 35 weeks season so it is hard for them to change, especially when there is very limited quality shows being produced. The way Lost ran would have been better if they evened out the series.(10 then13). Heroes actually did it the best, three parts with no repeats. But at least we know when the new ones are coming. Plus NBC can maximize it's profits by getting their s3cond highest rated show on the air through all three sweeps periods. well, at least a couple of the later sweeps period weeks. We have to remember(it is babseball season so I will use it as a comparison) Bsaseball pitches use to go 9 innings regularly, with no complaints and do that for 35-45 games a season. But todays pitchers need to get to the seventh then they have someone else to finish the game. Just like TV. they use to have a 25-30 episode season, but now these over paid actors complain when they have to work for 24 episodes. then after or during those 24 episodes the Networks need to find a temporary replacement. Some have become full timers. Medium comes to mind from last year. Butm the replacement usually doesn't come close to getting the ratings the original show did, Daybreak comes to mind for this situation.

Basically the bottom line is no one will ever be satisfied, but I give it to the netwqroks to actually try to ease the viewers pain with their attempts to ease the replay blues.

I need the dot....
I really dislike this new programming trend with these large gaps in the season. Ugh!

What new trend? There have always been big gaps between new episodes during the season. If you have 52 weeks in a year, and only make 23 episodes a seaon, you have to have some big gaps.

The only change is that now sometimes they decide not to have reruns in between.

What new trend? There have always been big gaps between new episodes during the season. If you have 52 weeks in a year, and only make 23 episodes a seaon, you have to have some big gaps.

The only change is that now sometimes they decide not to have reruns in between.
Yeah, but they used to run series through May with only a few scattered repeats in there. Then they'd run repeats from there until around July when they would bring in summer filler shows.

The Fall season also used to start in September, not November. I think the X-Files was one of the first to start that late.

They ran repeats. That is a key. They don't anymore, they fill it with new shows, to keep trying new things. I would of loved to of seen Heroes re-ran from the beginning or something, would of enjoyed watching some of them again. And no, I don't, and not everyone can, go to the Internet to see them again, or a cable channel to watch them.

They ran repeats. That is a key. They don't anymore, they fill it with new shows, to keep trying new things. I would of loved to of seen Heroes re-ran from the beginning or something, would of enjoyed watching some of them again. And no, I don't, and not everyone can, go to the Internet to see them again, or a cable channel to watch them.

but, but, you are on the net now!! why can't you? :) I am assuming you are still using dial up. I could be wrong but that is the only reason I can figure out, why you aren't able to watch online. Oh wait I have another one. You are very young and mom & dad blocks the NBC site.

To be honest I don't care why,(not the nasty don't care) but those earlier episodes were great so if you could find a way to see them do it.

for producer, TV has always been the rerun blues but it is a flaw in the industry, but it will nave be the way we want to because most shows despite the constant gaps once a show has a core set of viewers they will always watch and complain and never give up. Look at the some top show. ER has always had this problem, even worse some year because the official start of the season was the first week in Sept and it only runs 22 a year, however during first five years ER still averaged well over 30mil viewers. The next 5 over 20mil and now it is still a strong 12+mil. CSI started in the mid to upper 20's and has held strong. As you can see the networks know that people will watch if the show continues great stories. LOST is similar to Heroes in it's first year, The ratings kept climbing the 1st year of lost even though it was running the old show some then show repeats schedule. The thing that has decreased viewers was that LOST didn't sustain that great writing during it's sophomore year which lead to big declines in Viewership. NBC decided to maximize the shows exposure with limiting the lay off period and run three part continuous showings. A bold move by NBC in my eyes, plus they get their second highest(Deal oi No Deal is 1st) show play through all 3 sweeps periods.

Like I said earlier, no matter what they do everyone will nopt be happy.

but, but, you are on the net now!! why can't you? :) I am assuming you are still using dial up. I could be wrong but that is the only reason I can figure out, why you aren't able to watch online. Oh wait I have another one. You are very young and mom & dad blocks the NBC site.
Not too many people want to sit in front of their computer for 45 minutes watching a crappy quality video.

Not too many people want to sit in front of their computer for 45 minutes watching a crappy quality video.

Tell that to YouTube.

I wish they would repeat all of the episodes. I never watched it but I love Sci-Fi so I'd probably really like it.

but, but, you are on the net now!! why can't you? I am assuming you are still using dial up. I could be wrong but that is the only reason I can figure out, why you aren't able to watch online. Oh wait I have another one. You are very young and mom & dad blocks the NBC site.
I have a 640K DSL line and the episodes don't play for more than 30 seconds to a minute at a time without pausing for minutes to rebuffer. I made it about three minutes into one episode before giving up and closing the window.

I can watch it on-line, I don't watch them on-line. I don't want to watch it on a small monitor. I prefer to watch it on TV. A lot of people out there, millions of viewers probably can't watch it on-line, if you even are on-line, you have to have a high speed connection otherwise it is choppy.

I've tried. I have a 6 mb Internet connection at home through Time Warner. I have a state-of-the-art PC with the best graphics card on the market right now. Yet when I sit here watching a show on-line, its not the same as my 60" plasma, sitting on the couch relaxing. Its in my chair at the computer, 21" screen, its just not the same, nor enjoyable.

Oh, and I am a full grown adult, but a kid at heart. :D

Well, someone had to bring this back up to prominence, as it FINALLY returns with the last five season episodes.

According to the synopsis in my local paper (spoiler alert) - The Heroes discover the hatch which the 13th Colony used in order to reach Earth, and through a massive cross-over, resolve almost all of the dangling plotlines in most of the current episodic series - (/spoiler alert). :)

Can't wait. :cool: ;)

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Well, someone had to bring this back up to prominence, as it FINALLY returns with the last five season episodes.

According to the synopsis in my local paper (spoiler alert) - The Heroes discover the hatch which the 13th Colony used in order to reach Earth, and through a massive cross-over, resolve almost all of the dangling plotlines in most of the current episodic series - (/spoiler alert). :)

Can't wait. :cool: ;)


...thus truly becoming Heroes to all but the producers of DVDs who had hoped to get even more revenue by selling episodes which were once viewed for free.

Well, someone had to bring this back up to prominence, as it FINALLY returns with the last five season episodes.

According to the synopsis in my local paper (spoiler alert) - The Heroes discover the hatch which the 13th Colony used in order to reach Earth, and through a massive cross-over, resolve almost all of the dangling plotlines in most of the current episodic series - (/spoiler alert). :)

Can't wait. :cool: ;)

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Too funny.

I saw "spoiler" out of the corner of my eye so I quickly scrolled up to prevent seeing it.

Then I slowly had the urge to read what you wrote, so I exposed your spoiler, line by line.

Ha ha!

My wife gets TV Guide. I suggest you don't read it if you're trying to avoid spoilers. Unfortunately, I was blind-sided.

guess you dont read the comics either than... ;)

even after reading the comics and tvguide, I'm still happy its back and ready to roll. Good cast and story really does make a difference.

Here's a long one, but I wanted to get all my predictions down before the season starts to conclude. Not all of it's original, but it's what I consider the most likely scenario:

After watching some of the preview clips that aired during Saturday night's mini-marathon, I started thinking about where Heroes will be heading. I think there is an excellent chance that the city will be blown up. After all, the paintings have all been accurate up to this point. This will cuase Nathan to bring the existence of the Heroes to the public view. My only concern is that this will cause Heroes to suddenly become a clone of the 4400. I'm sure it will somehow find a way to keep itself unique, though.

The explosion will likely be caused the the final confrontation between Peter and Sylar. Peter will decide it's the only way to destroy Sylar. Seeing as how both of them are really powerful and have the potential to be even stronger, they both can't continue into season 2. My guess is that Sylar will be killed, and Peter's fate will be left ambiguous. They will imply that he might have died, but won't confirm it. Then they can bring him back half way through the next season, probably saying he was saved by using Claire's healing ability. After the explosion, he goes into hiding to keep from hurting anybody else and to gain greater control over his abilities.

The othe alternative for Peter is that after the explosion, he sort of takes over for Sylar as the villain. Then you get that Professor X/Magneto relationship with Peter/Nathan. Nathan will probably be the unofficial organizer of the good Heroes. The advantage to Peter over Sylar as villian is that Peter can actually recruit more villians to work with him, since he doesn't have to kill them in order to get extra power, and since that's not his goal anyway. Also, Peter won't be a villian to the same "absolute evil" degree that Sylar is. He'll have the same role as Magneto. Nathan wants to keep everyone safe through dialogue and minimal damange, while Peter will fight against persecution of the Heroes by the group that contrls the paper company.

My predicted death count by the end of this season:
Isaac: Keeping him around forces the writers to keep using him to predict everything. I think they're going to want to get away from that.

Syalr: Just too powerful to keep him around and not have him as the central focus of Season 2. And the creators already said they want to start a new main story for next season.

Ted: I'm not sure how, but since the explosion is the focus of this season, having him around just keeps the whole explosion possibility around continuously.

Peter: I give 50/50 odds, with the outcomes stated above.

Mr. Bennet or The Haitian: Might end up giving his life to save Claire.

Phew. I guess that makes up for lurking here for so long.

i just hope the writers dont mess with the crew for next season.... i am happy with the cast and will not look forward to a whole new crew

Syalr: Just too powerful to keep him around and not have him as the central focus of Season 2. And the creators already said they want to start a new main story for next season.

they also already said Sylar is back in S2 along with at least 3 other characters.

they also already said Sylar is back in S2 along with at least 3 other characters.


I must have missed that. It will be interesting then to see what they do with him then. I guess it's possible that he becomes the new central threat. Right now he's just a major subplot to the destruction of NYC. Maybe they find a way to cap his ability to keep getting new powers?

they also already said Sylar is back in S2 along with at least 3 other characters.


Umm. Isn't this a huge spoiler??? Where's the spoiler tags?

Umm. Isn't this a huge spoiler??? Where's the spoiler tags?
Hey Steve, we agree. I think telling us Sylar will live is the biggest of all spoilers. Because we know people will die people will live and a battle will be waged, but tell us he is there next year just ruins the climatic clifhanger it for some people.

Hey, this IS the best new show on television! Its been gone for weeks. Good scripting, good pacing. But instead, this thread had been relegated to way down in the forum, because some are still fixated on talking about 'Lost' popping noises. :mad: :D

Any more of this nonsense, and you're all getting hired as extras for the Exploding Man episode. Now get back in your seats, and fold your hands on your desks.

"It saddens and hurts me to think that the boys I raised to believe in The Ten Commandments have returned to me, with filthy mouths and bad attitudes! GET OUT, and DON'T COME BACK...until you've redeemed yourselves!" :p

The "Penguin"

but... can anyone confirm the producers said that?

They ran repeats. That is a key. They don't anymore, they fill it with new shows, to keep trying new things.

There's that, but also the perception among network executives that for serialized shows, like Heroes, Lost, 24, etc, fans don't want to watch repeats. That's why you'll see repeats of gawd-awful episodes of Law&Order, but not Lost and 24. I personally don't understand that point of view, but I don't run a network.

Great episode tonight. Heroes is probably the best show on tv now. It's a 1000x better than Lost or 24.

I loved the episode, but some of the characters are lacking in common sense. For instance, don't turn you back on someone trying to kill you. Also, the next person that renders Sylar unconcsious better finish the job. Seriously, just decapitate him or something the next time he gets knocked out.

The best scene tonight was Peter vs Sylar. I wonder if Peter absorbed all of Sylar's powers during their fight.

Peter: I give 50/50 odds, with the outcomes stated above.




in one of the very first episodes, Future Hiro tells Peter (on the subway) that he looks different without his scar.

I think he sticks around.

I loved the episode, but some of the characters are lacking in common sense. For instance, don't turn you back on someone trying to kill you. Also, the next person that renders Sylar unconcsious better finish the job. Seriously, just decapitate him or something the next time he gets knocked out.


Maybe thats what Hiro really needs the sword for!!

Note to self: if I ever find someone with a piece of glass stuck in their brain, be sure to remove it before pronouncing them REALLY dead.

I predict an antithesis will show up; quite possibly himself from a parallel timeline or something. Stay tuned.I know they've met before, (EDIT: that's wrong....they met briefly by phone, not face; Hiro quickly hanged up) but Future-Hiro wasn't smiling. Actually, he looked a little p!ssed. And I'll have to rewatch tonight's ep again as Isaac was claiming redemption, but I'm not exactly sure what he did to obtain it.

BTW, is Simone gone for good? Peter gave her a long hard look after Ike shot her in the Parasite episode. I though he was about to heal her or something. Perhaps Hiro will do something about that....

I know now they've met before, but Future-Hiro wasn't smiling this time. Actually, he looked a little p!ssed. And I'll have to rewatch tonight's ep again as Isaac was claiming redemption, but I'm not exactly sure what he did to obtain it.I thought that was the significance of getting the new comic issue to his publisher before he was killed. Isaac knew he was going to die, so what would have been the point of doing the work on that issue if it wasn't going to serve some greater purpose?

Or perhaps he sent the next round of paintings -- showing Sylar's ultimate demise -- to the Linderman group.

BTW, is Simone gone for good? Peter gave her a long hard look after Ike shot her in the Parasite episode. I though he was about to heal her or something. Perhaps Hiro will do something about that....Simone is dead and buried.

Pretty retarded episode....one the first Heroes episodes I kept falling asleep during. Hope the next one is better.

this was a pretty badass episode but my freaking dvr cutoff when hiro was in the apartment

this was a pretty badass episode but my freaking dvr cutoff when hiro was in the apartment

Always set your DVR's for 1:02 or 1:03 time record. Learned this a loooongg time ago with Heroes

this was a pretty badass episode but my freaking dvr cutoff when hiro was in the apartment
this is what happens:
future Hiro steps out of the shadows,and says,"You".current Hiro says,"me?"
next week's episode takes place 5 years in the future.

There's that, but also the perception among network executives that for serialized shows, like Heroes, Lost, 24, etc, fans don't want to watch repeats. That's why you'll see repeats of gawd-awful episodes of Law&Order, but not Lost and 24. I personally don't understand that point of view, but I don't run a network.That's because it's not really perception.

Fox tried to rerun 24 last summer, and the ratings were so horrible that they skipped huge chunks of the season and quickly wrapped things up over the course of a few weeks.

It's much better to wait and release the episodes to DVD and syndication.

I like the ep as a whole but everyone grabbing Peter's head and not noticing such a huge chunk 'til Claire was just utter stupidity.

not even the comics have given away what powers Mom's got.

wonder if Linderman is going to use Micah to transfer the NY tag system to Vegas or some other system overhaul...

but... can anyone confirm the producers said that?
just read interviews...

Always set your DVR's for 1:02 or 1:03 time record. Learned this a loooongg time ago with Heroes
My Sony DVR cut out as well. However, since we were watching about 15 minutes behind, I was able to catch the last two minutes on timeslip.

Good thing the wife came down and asked if I wanted to watch Heroes "live".

ft

wonder if Linderman is going to use Micah to transfer the NY tag system to Vegas or some other system overhaul...


just read interviews...

I have a feeling that Micah will be messing with the electronic 'polls' and voting systems in NY to make sure that Nathan wins...and will continue to do that until Nathan is in the white house...

Why is it that the people in superhero stories always want to 'better' the world, but destroy a city or the world itself...

Linderman is crazy...

Its back! SWEET! Love this show. Now, just gotta wait another week.

Good episode, I knew Claire was going to remove that piece of glass.

Can't wait for Peter to learn his new powers from Sylar (hearing).

I have a feeling that Micah will be messing with the electronic 'polls' and voting systems in NY to make sure that Nathan wins...and will continue to do that until Nathan is in the white house...

Why is it that the people in superhero stories always want to 'better' the world, but destroy a city or the world itself...

Linderman is crazy...


you know i didnt think about that.....

Did anybody get the feeling from seeing the previews for next week's show that this is the episode the "Heroes" team put together after NBC ordered an additional episode for this season? I don't think the producers/writers could afford to mess with continuity within their 22-episode timeline, and just decided to add a 'What if' episode to beef-up the count for the season. Then again, there was an episode earlier this season called 'Six Months Ago' so this might be the counterpart episode set in the opposite timeline. :rolleyes:

they probably did that too show the outcome of what Hiro is in.... he is in the future of what he didnt do

Also, the next person that renders Sylar unconcsious better finish the job. Seriously, just decapitate him or something the next time he gets knocked out.

Couldn't agree more. When Sylar gets knocked out in the apartment, and then gets left there without being dismembered, my wife and I just sat there and laughed. Anyone in their right mind, who knew of his power, would cut that guy up, put him in a bag, and find the nearest oven to burn him to ashes. At the very very least, cut his head off or run it over with your car.

Great episode tonight. Heroes is probably the best show on tv now. It's a 1000x better than Lost or 24.

Not that I dont agree with you but you are comparing season 1 to shows later in the season year 3+ . Season 1 to season 1 I would say 4400 is better of the shows in the last 5 years.

Yeah, I guess Mohinder reverts to 'idiot status' for that bonehead move for real. He should have killed Sylar while he had the chance since he of all people knows exactly what this guy can do. Makes no sense.
As for the ending with the the Hiros, rezzy is right, future Hiro looked really pissed to me, like our Hiro screwed things up somehow.
I think Isaac really was trying to show us something, since he knew what would happen and how.
All in all, a very good episode. Glad the super-family is united. Hope Peter figures out his newfound powers soon, and that Claire tells him his one true weakspot. Wonder what mom's power is?

Couldn't agree more. When Sylar gets knocked out in the apartment, and then gets left there without being dismembered, my wife and I just sat there and laughed. Anyone in their right mind, who knew of his power, would cut that guy up, put him in a bag, and find the nearest oven to burn him to ashes. At the very very least, cut his head off or run it over with your car.


Yeah...especially since he's the one who killed Mohinder's father...you'd think he'd at least remove head from neck there lol

Once again Mohinder teams up with the wrong guy.

well... maybe he isnt the wrong guy.... since linderman is behind the company.... maybe linderman isnt such a bad guy....

Sorry, how did Mohinder get Peter across town?

Though it was pretty obvious that Claire was going to save him with the glass in the back of the head...

It was nice to have Heroes back, but honestly its been so long, thats its hard to regain the connection I had with it...networks need to stop taking these absurdly long breaks so their audience won't fragment...

Killing Sylar when's knocked out isn't dramatic or tv-worthy ;) They have to make sure he's at full strength for everyone to really appreciate his death...

I'm wondering how Nathan and Peter both end up getting powers.... Of course, we don't yet know what the Petrelli Mom can do, but (and I'll put this in spoilers for those who haven't read the on-line comics) it doesn't appear as that the Petrelli Daddy who met a young Linderman in Vietnam had any powers other than being a gung-ho soldier who later became a lawyer and started working with Linderman.

I was thinking both parents need to have powers to pass the "powers gene" onto their children (as in Claire with Nathan and "Firestarter Mom")...?

well... maybe he isnt the wrong guy.... since linderman is behind the company.... maybe linderman isnt such a bad guy....

did you see last night's episode? He wants to blow-up New York City....

Sorry, how did Mohinder get Peter across town?



They flashed a shot of Mohinder's cab when he was at the door. At least I think it was his cab. Would have been kind of awkward otherwise...."My friend? Oh, don't mind him. He never says much when there is a large piece of glass embedded in his brain."

did you see last night's episode? He wants to blow-up New York City....


....a mere 0.07% of the population of the world. :D At least they had Linderman say that line without a "Bwhaaaaaaaa".

did you see last night's episode? He wants to blow-up New York City....

Poor New York, it's always getting destroyed in the movies (and it's a target in real-life too, unfortunately). Kind of like Tokyo in mutant-monster movies. But maybe things are looking up for cinematic New Yorkers - they actually dodged the nuclear bullet in CBS's 'Jericho' (I love that show!), while many lesser cities went up in smoke. Don't usually see that; maybe it's the start of a trend. :p

They flashed a shot of Mohinder's cab when he was at the door. At least I think it was his cab. Would have been kind of awkward otherwise...."My friend? Oh, don't mind him. He never says much when there is a large piece of glass embedded in his brain."

Maybe he just told the cabbie he was filming Weekend at Bernie's 3?

Hey, it's New York, you probably could get a dead body across town in a cab :)

I also have a feeling that Linderman is MUCH older than he lets on...especially how he was talking about his 'friends' and how they discovered their powers and tried to make peace with everyone....until his friends decided to use their powers for personal gain. They way he talked about it, I got the impression that his time with 'friends' was a loooooooong time ago...not just 25 years ago or something.

He fits the mold though...he's a recluse, has visions of grandeur (like any evil villain), speaks of the 'good ol' days', and has the power to bring things back from the brink of death (or bring things back to life).

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that Linderman is incredibly old (he can bring things back to life it seems...) and potentially 'immortal.' Though, it wouldn't explain the fact that why he's 'old' now unless the aging process stopped for him around 50-60ish...

I also think that Mrs. Petrelli is an oracle of sorts. She knows a lot...possibly like a Professor Xavier from X-Men (but with more omniscience)

I also think that Mrs. Petrelli is an oracle of sorts. She knows a lot...possibly like a Professor Xavier from X-Men (but with more omniscience)

Isn't it obvious? All those dreams Peter was having about the future? We've been wondering all along where that power was coming from, and Mrs. Petrelli does seem to see a lot of things to come...

Remember when Peter was unconsious in the hospital and all those 'visions' he was having? Him expoding, etc...?

His mother was by his bedside that whole time, wasn't she?

I also have a feeling that Linderman is MUCH older than he lets on...especially how he was talking about his 'friends' and how they discovered their powers and tried to make peace with everyone....until his friends decided to use their powers for personal gain. They way he talked about it, I got the impression that his time with 'friends' was a loooooooong time ago...not just 25 years ago or something.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that Linderman is incredibly old (he can bring things back to life it seems...) and potentially 'immortal.' Though, it wouldn't explain the fact that why he's 'old' now unless the aging process stopped for him around 50-60ish...


I alluded to the on-line comics in a post above. If you read them, that's not the way Linderman's backstory has been constructed. There's nothing unusual about his life span, or how he came about discovering his power. Pretty much the same as everyone else.

Do yourself a favor and read the comics (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_library.shtml); they're fun and each chapter only takes about 3 minutes to read (there are now 30 chapters). They fill in a lot of backstory on the characters. For instance, we've seen hardly anything of Hana, aka "Wireless", but the comics go into her background, motivations and character in much greater depth.

I'm wondering how Nathan and Peter both end up getting powers.... Of course, we don't yet know what the Petrelli Mom can do, but (and I'll put this in spoilers for those who haven't read the on-line comics)

I was thinking both parents need to have powers to pass the "powers gene" onto their children (as in Claire with Nathan and "Firestarter Mom")...?
Yeah, I have to agree, once Linderman showed his power, I said to my wife, he's definately the father of Nathan and Peter.

This sets up a "Luke, I am your Father" scene. :)

Yeah, I have to agree, once Linderman showed his power, I said to my wife, he's definately the father of Nathan and Peter.

This sets up a "Luke, I am your Father" scene. :)Actually, I got a different impression. My impression is that Linderman and Mrs. Petrelli are brother and sister.

Actually, I got a different impression. My impression is that Linderman and Mrs. Petrelli are brother and sister.

Now THERE's a thought!

I feel a backstory coming on. :eek:

Yeah, I have to agree, once Linderman showed his power, I said to my wife, he's definately the father of Nathan and Peter.

This sets up a "Luke, I am your Father" scene. :)

Nice try Rob, but no cigar. Again, disproven by the comics, chapter 28. By the time Linderman and the elder Petrelli meet again, Nathan and Peter have already been born.

You people really need to start reading them. I know there will be those who feel like they just need to watch the show and they'll get all the answers. And maybe eventually, that will be the case. But at this moment in the 'Heroes' story, there's a lot of background information that can only be found in the comics. Looks like they've set it up that way. May be the only way to get people to watch a Nissan commercial. ;)

Yeah, I guess Mohinder reverts to 'idiot status' for that bonehead move for real. He should have killed Sylar while he had the chance since he of all people knows exactly what this guy can do. Makes no sense.
...

I think Isaac really was trying to show us something, since he knew what would happen and how.

Considering the number of times Sylar has come back from being supposedly unconscious or incapacitated I'm not surprised they didn't stick around. He only needs to be partially conscious and he could flip them across the room with his finger. Mohinder thought he had him trapped and weakened once and was very very wrong.

Isaac has probably put the key to his demise in the drawings for the latest comic. Which was on it's way to the printer before Sylar showed up.

Thought it was a decent episode with some cool scenes but it felt disjointed. The Parkman/HRG element was great sequence but it felt like it was directed by someone else.

The Nikki/Jessica storyline started to have potential when she became Nikita, but they've made her storyline dull to the point where it's dead weight again. They need to start explaining her character now or at the least give her some face kicking to do.

Considering the number of times Sylar has come back from being supposedly unconscious or incapacitated I'm not surprised they didn't stick around. He only needs to be partially conscious and he could flip them across the room with his finger. Mohinder thought he had him trapped and weakened once and was very very wrong.

I think I can halfway buy the idea that Mohinder didn't kill Sylar when he had the chance because (a) he was in too much of a shock from (b) being suckered by Sylar earlier with the intravenous lever and (c) the apparent death of Peter that he just got the hell out of there. This still doesn't explain why he returns to his apartment after Peter's Mom threw him out of the mansion. Wasn't he afraid Sylar would be there, waiting for him? :rolleyes:

From Fredfa's "Hot Off the Press" thread on this forum:

Overnights in the 18-49 Demo
Returning “Heroes” hits new series low
NBC hit drama pulls a 5.3 rating in 18-49s
By Toni Fitzgerald MediaLifeMagazine.com staff writer April 24, 2007

NBC’s “Heroes” didn’t fly quite as high as usual last night upon its return from a long hiatus. The first-year hit drama fell to a series-low 5.3 adults 18-49 rating, according to Nielsen overnights, airing opposite ABC’s potent “Dancing with the Stars” for the first time.

The show still won its timeslot, but it finished behind “Stars” during the two shows’ shared half hour at 9 p.m. “Stars” averaged a 5.5 to “Heroes’” 5.2.

It marked “Heroes’” lowest performance since a 5.5 for its second episode back in October. The show went on hiatus for much of March and April, and it was down 20 percent from its most recent original episode, which averaged a 6.6 on March 5.

Certainly “Heroes” was not helped by the continuing softening of lead-in “Deal or No Deal” opposite “Stars.” “Deal” averaged a 3.3 last night at 8 p.m., down 39 percent from the 5.4 it averaged leading into “Heroes” on March 5.

And "Heroes," the season's No. 1 new show in 18-49s, is still a hit by any measure. It was last night's No. 1 show in 18-49s as well.

“Heroes” may simply need a week or two for viewers to become aware that the show is back. Long hiatuses have been difficult for broadcast shows this year, with ABC’s “Lost” and CBS’s “Jericho,” two similarly mysterious, action-packed shows, both showing deep declines after leaving the air for several months. Though “Heroes” wasn’t gone for as long, and its declines aren’t as serious, the network may nonetheless want to reconsider future long momentum-sapping absences.

Meanwhile, ABC finished first among 18-49s last night with a 4.1 average rating and an 11 share, with NBC second at 3.9/10, CBS third at 3.8/10, Fox fourth at 2.8/8, Univision fifth at 1.9/5 and CW sixth at 1.2/3.

At 8 p.m. ABC led with a 4.5 for the first hour of “Stars,” followed by NBC with a 3.3 for “Deal.” CBS was third that hour with a 2.3 average for a repeat of “How I Met Your Mother” and an original “New Adventures of Old Christine” (2.4), with Fox and Univision tied for fourth at 1.8, Fox for “Drive” and Univision for “La Fea Mas Bella.” That left CW sixth with a 1.2 average for “Everybody Hates Chris” (1.3) and “All of Us” (1.1).

NBC took the lead at 9 p.m. with a 5.3 for “Heroes,” while ABC fell to second with a 4.5 average for the last 30 minutes of “Stars” (5.5) and the first half hour of “The Bachelor” (3.5). CBS was third with a 4.0 average for “Two and a Half Men” (3.9) and “The King of Queens” (4.1), Fox fourth with a 3.9 for “24,” Univision fifth with a 2.0 for “Destilando Amor” and CW sixth with a 1.1 average for “Girlfriends”(1.2) and “The Game” (1.1).

CBS took the lead at 10 p.m. with a 5.1 for “CSI: Miami,” with ABC second with a 3.4 for the end of “The Bachelor.” NBC was third with a 3.1 for the premiere of “The Real Wedding Crashers” and Univision fourth with a 1.8 for “Cristina.”

ABC finished first for the night among households with a 9.6 average rating and a 15 share. CBS was second at 7.7/12, NBC third at 6.3/10, Fox fourth at 4.6/7, Univision fifth at 2.4/4 and CW sixth at 1.7/3.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_11644.asp

P.S.: the ratings above are actually for the 18-49 demo. When overall ratings are tallied "Heroes" actually came in third behind "Dancing with the Stars" and the CBS sitcoms "Two-and-a-Half Men" and the other one. :(

You guys should read the latest on-line heroes graphic novel. Its all about Hiro in the future. Explains a lot of what has happened, etc. Good one this time.

I can't stand that Peter had his back turned to Sylar when he had all the glass flying through the apartment. Who turns their back on the man that is trying to kill you. Its not like there was anything to look at over there, its a small apartment.

This still doesn't explain why he returns to his apartment after Peter's Mom threw him out of the mansion. Wasn't he afraid Sylar would be there, waiting for him? :rolleyes:

Didn't he call HRG for backup only to get Eric Roberts instead? I assumed Mohinder wanted to let the company know where Sylar was so they could take care of him. Only to find out that they were too late.

I can't stand that Peter had his back turned to Sylar when he had all the glass flying through the apartment. Who turns their back on the man that is trying to kill you. Its not like there was anything to look at over there, its a small apartment.

maybe he was going for the gun?

In any case Sylar didn't need the random glass spray. He could have heard InvisiPete thanks to his newly acquired super hearing.

I'm just surprised that Peter hasn't tried using Hiro's power at all. Just stop time, cut off Sylar's head, and call it a day.

I'm just surprised that Peter hasn't tried using Hiro's power at all. Just stop time, cut off Sylar's head, and call it a day.
Hiro's been having trouble stopping time. There's no way that Peter has been able to perfect that power.

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I'm just surprised that Peter hasn't tried using Hiro's power at all. Just stop time, cut off Sylar's head, and call it a day.

Has Peter been around Hiro when he's time jumped? It would seem to me that Peter needs to be in the vicinity of a power being used to a) absorb it and b) understand what it can do.

Has Peter been around Hiro when he's time jumped? It would seem to me that Peter needs to be in the vicinity of a power being used to a) absorb it and b) understand what it can do.

Yes, when future Hiro came back in time to tell Peter about the whole save the cheerleader, save the world bit.

Yes, when future Hiro came back in time to tell Peter about the whole save the cheerleader, save the world bit.

Oh yeah. Someone needs to remind him, he's probably forgotten. He's had a lot in his mind lately! :D

The Comics are awesome...just caught up on all the ones I missed...really well done

Can someone offer up a transcript of the subtitles between Hiro and Ando in future NY? There was a storm alert here which covered up part of it. I think I got the gist of it, Hiro wants to find Isaac, he thinks he's not dead because he thought Sylar had been captured... not sure if I missed anything.

Can someone offer up a transcript of the subtitles between Hiro and Ando in future NY? There was a storm alert here which covered up part of it. I think I got the gist of it, Hiro wants to find Isaac, he thinks he's not dead because he thought Sylar had been captured... not sure if I missed anything.

there was an amusing Ando line to end that sequence which you missed, but you basically got the idea.

Don't forget you can watch the episode online:

http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml

Anyone willing to list each abilities thus far? i.e.

Sylar
telekinesis
Super Hearing
Photo Memory
Liquify Objets

Peter
telekinesis
Self-Heal
Invisible
Thermo-nucler
fly

Just a start....

From Fredfa's "Hot Off the Press" thread on this forum:

Overnights in the 18-49 Demo
Returning “Heroes” hits new series low
NBC hit drama pulls a 5.3 rating in 18-49s
By Toni Fitzgerald MediaLifeMagazine.com staff writer April 24, 2007

NBC’s “Heroes” didn’t fly quite as high as usual last night upon its return from a long hiatus. The first-year hit drama fell to a series-low 5.3 adults 18-49 rating, according to Nielsen overnights, airing opposite ABC’s potent “Dancing with the Stars” for the first time.

The show still won its timeslot, but it finished behind “Stars” during the two shows’ shared half hour at 9 p.m. “Stars” averaged a 5.5 to “Heroes’” 5.2.

It marked “Heroes’” lowest performance since a 5.5 for its second episode back in October. The show went on hiatus for much of March and April, and it was down 20 percent from its most recent original episode, which averaged a 6.6 on March 5.

Certainly “Heroes” was not helped by the continuing softening of lead-in “Deal or No Deal” opposite “Stars.” “Deal” averaged a 3.3 last night at 8 p.m., down 39 percent from the 5.4 it averaged leading into “Heroes” on March 5.

And "Heroes," the season's No. 1 new show in 18-49s, is still a hit by any measure. It was last night's No. 1 show in 18-49s as well.

“Heroes” may simply need a week or two for viewers to become aware that the show is back. Long hiatuses have been difficult for broadcast shows this year, with ABC’s “Lost” and CBS’s “Jericho,” two similarly mysterious, action-packed shows, both showing deep declines after leaving the air for several months. Though “Heroes” wasn’t gone for as long, and its declines aren’t as serious, the network may nonetheless want to reconsider future long momentum-sapping absences.

Meanwhile, ABC finished first among 18-49s last night with a 4.1 average rating and an 11 share, with NBC second at 3.9/10, CBS third at 3.8/10, Fox fourth at 2.8/8, Univision fifth at 1.9/5 and CW sixth at 1.2/3.

At 8 p.m. ABC led with a 4.5 for the first hour of “Stars,” followed by NBC with a 3.3 for “Deal.” CBS was third that hour with a 2.3 average for a repeat of “How I Met Your Mother” and an original “New Adventures of Old Christine” (2.4), with Fox and Univision tied for fourth at 1.8, Fox for “Drive” and Univision for “La Fea Mas Bella.” That left CW sixth with a 1.2 average for “Everybody Hates Chris” (1.3) and “All of Us” (1.1).

NBC took the lead at 9 p.m. with a 5.3 for “Heroes,” while ABC fell to second with a 4.5 average for the last 30 minutes of “Stars” (5.5) and the first half hour of “The Bachelor” (3.5). CBS was third with a 4.0 average for “Two and a Half Men” (3.9) and “The King of Queens” (4.1), Fox fourth with a 3.9 for “24,” Univision fifth with a 2.0 for “Destilando Amor” and CW sixth with a 1.1 average for “Girlfriends”(1.2) and “The Game” (1.1).

CBS took the lead at 10 p.m. with a 5.1 for “CSI: Miami,” with ABC second with a 3.4 for the end of “The Bachelor.” NBC was third with a 3.1 for the premiere of “The Real Wedding Crashers” and Univision fourth with a 1.8 for “Cristina.”

ABC finished first for the night among households with a 9.6 average rating and a 15 share. CBS was second at 7.7/12, NBC third at 6.3/10, Fox fourth at 4.6/7, Univision fifth at 2.4/4 and CW sixth at 1.7/3.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_11644.asp

P.S.: the ratings above are actually for the 18-49 demo. When overall ratings are tallied "Heroes" actually came in third behind "Dancing with the Stars" and the CBS sitcoms "Two-and-a-Half Men" and the other one. :(

this sucks.... goes to show you the asshats in nbc have no idea what they are doing

A 5.3 isn't bad, but it's a dramatic dropoff from the 6.2 to 6.9 share that NBC was pulling for the last few episodes.

I wonder how much the drop in ratings -- due to the hiatus -- will ultimately cost NBC (Heroes) and CBS (Jericho) next quarter. Is it a $500,000 mistake? A $5,000,000 mistake? A $15,000,000 mistake?

Anyone willing to list each abilities thus far? i.e.

Sylar
telekinesis
Super Hearing
Photo Memory
Liquify Objets

Peter
telekinesis
Self-Heal
Invisible
Thermo-nucler
fly

Just a start....

I would think Peter can do everything Sylar can do now...

Also, Peter can hear thoughts as well (same as Greg Grunberg)

this sucks.... goes to show you the asshats in nbc have no idea what they are doing

Or how utterly moronic most the American viewer ship is when they'll watch Dancing with the Stars over a AAA show like Heroes.

The only 'morons' on TV are ABC because they put Lost on at 10PM Wednesdays...

heroes is so good... i hope this doesnt hurt them...

Anyone willing to list each abilities thus far? i.e.

Sylar
telekinesis
Super Hearing
Photo Memory
Liquify Objets

Peter
telekinesis
Self-Heal
Invisible
Thermo-nucler
fly

Just a start....

Peter now has all the Sylar abilities (this was confirmed by the creator). Just being around a person allows Peter to gain that ability

Sylar also has Cryokinesis (as demonstarted in the first few episodes by freezing his victims).

Peter was also around the Haitain so he got the Haitains power. He also was around Eden before she died so he has her voice power. He also was around Hiro so he can do time manipulation.

Add to that, all of Sylar's abilities and everything Peter can do is mind boggling.

So to sum it up we have:

Here are the powers for Sylar:

Cryokinesis (freezing people)
Super hearing
Telekenesis
Photo Memory
Liquify objects

Since Peter met Sylar now, he has all of these abilities:

Cryokinesis (freezing people)
Super hearing
Telekenesis
Photo Memory
Liquify objects
Flying
Self-healing
Mind reading
Powers from the Haitain
Ability to force someone to do what he says (from Eden)
Time travel


Peter is like the superman of the series, rather impressive.

Or how utterly moronic most the American viewer ship is when they'll watch Dancing with the Stars over a AAA show like Heroes.

Nice, bash people as moronic when you can't form a grammatically correct sentence. Look, us TV snobs that don't "get" why shows like American Idol and Dancing with the Stars consistently do well in the ratings are forgetting that they are FAMILY FRIENDLY programming. If I was watching with kids under 15, I'd choose those crummy shows over the graphic content in 24 and Heroes. (Better yet, I'd find some other way to spend time with them, but that is a different discussion.) So that immediately cuts off a large chunk of the viewing public. Combine that with the fact that the show is serialized, which makes it difficult to pick up new viewers despite strong word-of-mouth, and it isn't really hard to see why the ratings aren't a slam dunk.

A 20% drop off really hurts though...I hope the networks are listening and decide the months long mid-season hiatus thing isn't worth the risk.

So to sum it up we have:

Here are the powers for Sylar:

Cryokinesis (freezing people)
Super hearing
Telekenesis
Photo Memory
Liquify objects

Since Peter met Sylar now, he has all of these abilities:

Cryokinesis (freezing people)
Super hearing
Telekenesis
Photo Memory
Liquify objects
Flying
Self-healing
Mind reading
Powers from the Haitain
Ability to force someone to do what he says (from Eden)
Time travel


Peter is like the superman of the series, rather impressive.
Didn't Sylar try to use Eden's voice last night? How did he get that? I thought when she killed herself she robbed him of the opportunity to grab her power.

I don't pay attention to this stuff, so dumb question ahead. Are ratings still decided by Nielson families (i.e. people who STILL don't have a DVR)?

Of course, people watching it live are probably who they're most concerned about, since everyone else is skipping the commercials, which drive the dollars.

Just curious how ratings are determined now, and I'm too lazy to Google :)

mproper, I do pay a bit of attention to ratings stuff, and I can't really answer your question. Basically, yes ratings are still decided by Nielson families, and Nielson has been counting DVR users for several months now, but commercial skipping is something they're still working on. I don't know if you read fredfa's Hot Off the Press thread at all, but there are often articles there about how ratings are measured and he potential changes.

Peter is like the superman of the series, rather impressive.He hasn't impressed me yet. But I think the next time he meets Sylar, things will get quite interesting. Oh yeah---WiFi-girl is a little too smug. Once Nikki finds out she aided in her sons' abduction, she's gonna' cut her in two. :eek:

He hasn't impressed me yet. But I think the next time he meets Sylar, things will get quite interesting. Oh yeah---WiFi-girl is a little too smug. Once Nikki finds out she aided in her sons' abduction, she's gonna' cut her in two. :eek:
That wasn't WiFi Girl, we haven't seen her in awhile since Parkman and nuke-guy hooked up.

That wasn't WiFi Girl, we haven't seen her in awhile since Parkman and nuke-guy hooked up.What ever do you mean? Of course that wasn't WiFi-girl. You knew perfectly well I meant Shape-shifter Girl......!

Didn't Sylar try to use Eden's voice last night? How did he get that? I thought when she killed herself she robbed him of the opportunity to grab her power.

maybe he scooped up the bits of her brain and ate them - or whatever he does. Only gaining a tiny part of her power in the process.

So to sum it up we have:

Here are the powers for Sylar:

Cryokinesis (freezing people)
Super hearing
Telekenesis
Photo Memory
Liquify objects


I can't believe people are missing out his newest power! The ability to paint really terrible pictures of the future!

Obviously he can absorb powers, but unfortunately not talent. :)

So to sum it up we have:

Here are the powers for Sylar:

Cryokinesis (freezing people)
Super hearing
Telekenesis
Photo Memory
Liquify objects



isn't there evidence of another? During his escape from Parkman and the FBI he leaps a huge distance into the air to escape. He could be telekinetically throwing himself in the air but it seems a bit odd. Even for telekineseis.

Well, we know Sylar will never be able to take Ali Larter's Power - to be a smoking hottie.

A 5.3 isn't bad, but it's a dramatic dropoff from the 6.2 to 6.9 share that NBC was pulling for the last few episodes.

I wonder how much the drop in ratings -- due to the hiatus -- will ultimately cost NBC (Heroes) and CBS (Jericho) next quarter. Is it a $500,000 mistake? A $5,000,000 mistake? A $15,000,000 mistake?You all forget about the competition here.

If Heroes or Jericho had been on against Dancing with the Stars or American Idol last fall, they never would have drawn the ratings they did.

Remember, ratings aren't relative, they're a zero sum game; those incredibly high Nielsen numbers for one show come at the cost of others.

It's the best show on TV IMO. It passed Prison Break & 24 IMO.

Killing off many main characters and moving rapidly to a cheesy ending is not the best way to handle the series that started out so good in my opinion. What made Heroes appealing early on was the feeling of wanting to get to know the characters more and the suspense or cliffhangers present at the end of each. However the characters, apart from only the Nikki/Jessica/DL storyline, were what made the show interesting and wanting to see what happened next. They really messed up the whole love triangle between Peter and Isaac. Even though I am not liking the way things are panning out, I will still watch this show until the end of the season since I do care about the remaining characters.

The future Hiro meeting our current Hiro is interesting. However if Hiro can't save the life of Charlie because it was pre-destined, then how can he change anything? I still don't know if the multiple timeline theory is in place, or that there is one timeline that if a change occurs in the past all future events are changed. Meaning future Hiro that we see changes or disappears from existence each time an event unfolds and he makes a difference by coming back into the past. For example, future Hiro coming back in time and telling Peter to "save the cheerleader" implies she was not saved in his future. The moment Claire is saved, that future Hiro ceases to exist as the timeline changes. This theory of mine is better than the multiple timeline angle that we have seen with Back to the Future already..

Since time travel is a made up concept, you can do anything you want with it for the sake of a story.

For example, in Back to the Future, Doc Brown was concerned about not meeting a version of himself because it would create a really messy problem in the space/time continuum. Apparently that isn't a problem in Heroes, since present and future Hiros can chat without a problem.

Not sure about Sylar's voice. It changes when he says something but the people are not doing what he says. When she us to do it originally the people would act differently, do it right away. When Sylar changes his voice the people don't do it. Isaac looked at the gun instead. Weird, don't know why they keep showing us changing his voice, unless its just like his evil voice or something.

Anyone notice the painting Sylar was doing? What is up with that guy he was painting. He was green and had really long fingers. Kind of weird.

It was an alternate future, where I think HE is president. I loved Hiro's string timelines so he could keep it all straight. Very funny.

Anyone notice the painting Sylar was doing? What is up with that guy he was painting. He was green and had really long fingers. Kind of weird.

I think it was supposed to be a duplicate of the painting that Linderman showed Nathan, just painted using Sylar's art style. This way it's clear that he now has Isaac's ability and is able to use it. The same way that Peter initially painted the future using stick figures, each person will have their own style. Of course, Sylar's style is demented and evil looking. Go figure.

Anyone notice the painting Sylar was doing? What is up with that guy he was painting. He was green and had really long fingers. Kind of weird.

I'm not so sure- I still thought it was Nathan, but a little different take on whether he is a good guy or a bad guy. Hard know as he really can't paint. ;-)

I don't think it's Peter.

After reading the Chapter 30 online novel, it occurred to me that Hiro should just travel back in time and keep Sylar from being conceived. Seems like it would solve alot of problems. :)



Mitch

maybe he was going for the gun?

In any case Sylar didn't need the random glass spray. He could have heard InvisiPete thanks to his newly acquired super hearing.

I'm sure it wasn't a random spay at all, he heard him indeed.

I think it was supposed to be a duplicate of the painting that Linderman showed Nathan, just painted using Sylar's art style. This way it's clear that he now has Isaac's ability and is able to use it. The same way that Peter initially painted the future using stick figures, each person will have their own style. Of course, Sylar's style is demented and evil looking. Go figure.

I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.

I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.

Wow, that's pretty good! Now we can possibly see how and why they'll bring Sylar back next season.

I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.

That's a neat theory. Nice job.

I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.


wow... sounds like a nice theory.... i wonder if linderman has that ultimate plan for sylar.... wasnt that the reason why the company caught him before...

I'm sure it wasn't a random spay at all, he heard him indeed.Exactly. Sylar used his hearing to determine what direction to throw the glass.

I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.Did the painting really show Sylar? I missed that, I'll have to go back and look.

I like the ep as a whole but everyone grabbing Peter's head and not noticing such a huge chunk 'til Claire was just utter stupidity.
Perhaps they noticed it, but didn't realized they had to pull it out to allow him to heal. Only Claire would know that. We know because we saw Claire do that very thing a couple of times, but the others would not have the benefit of that knowledge. Except for Mohinder, I don't think anyone else even knew he could heal. Since he did it once in front of him during his fight with Sylar, I would guess Mohinder thought Peter was really dead when he didn't do it again.

I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.

I never thought of that, though I do see the possibility of Linderman getting rid of Nathan and using shape-shifter 'Stick It' girl in his place...never thought of Sylar doing it....

Interesting thought

Well, we know Sylar will never be able to take Ali Larter's Power - to be a smoking hottie.

If I had that power, I'd spend a lot more time in the shower. And spend a lot more on Dove liquid shower gel.

If I had that power, I'd spend a lot more time in the shower. And spend a lot more on Dove liquid shower gel.

LMAO! Funniest post I've read in a long time!! :D

Well, we know Sylar will never be able to take Ali Larter's Power - to be a smoking hottie.

The only person who pwns Ali is...me: http://one.revver.com/watch/204401

:D lol

Peter now has all the Sylar abilities (this was confirmed by the creator). Just being around a person allows Peter to gain that ability

Sylar also has Cryokinesis (as demonstarted in the first few episodes by freezing his victims).

Peter was also around the Haitain so he got the Haitains power. He also was around Eden before she died so he has her voice power. He also was around Hiro so he can do time manipulation.

Add to that, all of Sylar's abilities and everything Peter can do is mind boggling.

If Peter has all of Sylar powers as of their encounter, then when Claire revives him, shouldn't he be going nut-so with headaches and all that because of the hearing? After all, he just gained super-hearing and we saw that Sylar needed some time getting used to it.

If Peter has all of Sylar powers as of their encounter, then when Claire revives him, shouldn't he be going nut-so with headaches and all that because of the hearing? After all, he just gained super-hearing and we saw that Sylar needed some time getting used to it.

Not really. There's a difference in how their powers are used. Sylar gains the innate abilities of other by studying their brains and rewiring his own to give himself their powers. Peter absorbs others' abilities, but those powers aren't readily available or "always on" like Sylar's. Peter has to recall the person to mind in order to make his body mimic their ability.

I'm also wondering if Peter can only use one ability at a time.

The only person who pwns Ali is...me: http://one.revver.com/watch/204401

:D lol

Give it a rest, she is still an extreme hottie with an ongoing role on the coolest show on TV. The general public would know you from this "youtube-esque" rabbit punch that you keep posting the link too and what else?

Not trying to be an a** but it's not cool to insult someone just because you can.

Peter absorbs others' abilities, but those powers aren't readily available or "always on" like Sylar's. Peter has to recall the person to mind in order to make his body mimic their ability.

I'm also wondering if Peter can only use one ability at a time.

I thought this too- but then how did he heal from being dead?

I thought this too- but then how did he heal from being dead?
My take is that there are two types of powers.

Voluntary and Involuntary. Kinda like muscle actions.

Peter's powers that he's mimic'd falls under both categories.

Healing and Precog dreaming are involuntary.

Flying, Inviso, TK, Precog doodling, mind reading and presumably super-hearing are voluntary.

ft

I thought this too- but then how did he heal from being dead?

The same way Claire healed from being dead. Remember she was cut open on the autopsy table when the stick was pulled out of her.

The stick in Claire and the glass in Peter interrupted the nervous system and the healing could not take place. Once the object was removed from the nervous system the healing process finished and they're back alive and well.

CCourtney

I thought this too- but then how did he heal from being dead?

I agree with the original though. When Clyde was teaching Peter he told him how he has to focus on a power. That is why when he was thrown off the building he didn't just fly away. The creator of the series specifically said that Peter gains a person's power by just being around and that he gains all of Sylar's powers when they are in proximity.

As for the healing, well, I guess you could make all kinds of stuff up, like it healed him because he was dead, or its the last thing he used in their fight, or was the last thought when he was dying so it kicked in, etc. Or just the writers didn't want him dead. :D

Healing and Precog dreaming are involuntary.

Flying, Inviso, TK, Precog doodling, mind reading and presumably super-hearing are voluntary.We don't know whether his healing is involuntary, as Claire was present. In the past, Peter had to concentrate to use his abilities, if the hero with that ability wasn't around. You can't concentrate if you're unconscious.

We don't know whether his healing is involuntary, as Claire was present. In the past, Peter had to concentrate to use his abilities, if the hero with that ability wasn't around. You can't concentrate if you're unconscious.
Peter has used his healing abilities many times when Claire wasn't around.

1. When Peter first falls in Texas with Sylar, he dies. But since he had bumped into Claire in the hallway, he starts to heal before she gets there. Also, after she leaves, his foot is all twisted still. He puts it back in place and presumably it heals.

2. When Claude (inviso guy) throws him off the roof, he falls onto the cab. He probably died. But he revives and heals. One inconsistency with my theory is that he tells Claude that he was thinking about Claire.

3. When Sylar trims Peters forehead, it heals rather quickly. Looks involuntary to me.

4. When the glass is pulled out of his head. Peter undies and heals.

There may be more, but his healing seems to be an involuntary action.

Killing off many main characters and moving rapidly to a cheesy ending is not the best way to handle the series that started out so good in my opinion. What made Heroes appealing early on was the feeling of wanting to get to know the characters more and the suspense or cliffhangers present at the end of each. However the characters, apart from only the Nikki/Jessica/DL storyline, were what made the show interesting and wanting to see what happened next. They really messed up the whole love triangle between Peter and Isaac. Even though I am not liking the way things are panning out, I will still watch this show until the end of the season since I do care about the remaining characters.

I'm not certain what you mean by killing off many main characters. As far as I count only one main character has been killed and that's Isaac. Simone (Isaac and Peter's) love interest was only a prop to tie Isaac and Peter together. The rest of the deaths were from less important characters or used to provide Sylar with his powers which is needed for the plot line.

Living known individuals with powers
Claire
Hiro
Miccah
Nikki
Nathan
Peter
DL
Sylar
The Hatian
Matt
Ted
Linderman
Eden
Claude
Hana

I suspect Angela Petrilli also has a power but yet to be seen.

And based on other information there's likely to be many more people with powers to come into the show as it progresses.

CCourtney

EDIT: Added Hana to list of living chars w/ powers

Living known individuals with powers
Claire
Hiro
Miccah
Nikki
Nathan
Peter
DL
Sylar
The Hatian
Matt
Ted
Linderman
Eden
Claude


Good list, but you left off Hana (Wireless).

Exactly. Sylar used his hearing to determine what direction to throw the glass.

only the piece that hit Peter was shown on impact, the rest was fired in a 180 degree arc which you can see when Sylar releases them. Sylar is also looking quizzically in the wrong direction at the time as well.

I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.That's quite interesting....I wonder what Petrelli's version will look like. It's gonna be hard for him to create a game-plan to defeat Sylar, them having the same abilities and all. Pete's fling with him though brief, was interesting (and a nice teaser). And I'm guessing they won't have a final showdown til the end of next season.

Anyways, I like how they're gonna' forward-flash instead of backwards like Lost. But they'll have to flashback again to the past (present?), to show what happened in the previous five years that were skipped over.

Good list, but you left off Hana (Wireless).

Yes, you're correct. Memories going in my old age LOL

CCourtney

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I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.



That's quite interesting....I wonder what Petrelli's version will look like (once he realizes the ability). It's gonna be hard for him to create a game-plan to defeat Sylar, them having the same abilities and all. Pete's fling with him though brief, was interesting (and a nice teaser). I'm guessing they won't have a final showdown til the end of next season.

Anyways, I like how they're gonna' forward-flash instead of backwards like Lost. But they'll have to flashback again to the past (present?), to show what happened in the previous five years that were skipped over.


Very good observations, I think you guys are on to something there. I normally try to avoid the previews but next week's does look interesting. Nice idea, maybe it will clear up the two Hiros arc a bit so we can understand why future Hiro is mad at our Hiro. As for the painting and Sylar, that would definitely be a good direction for the show to go, and seems highly plausible from they way both of them were looking their versions of the painting.

That's quite interesting....I wonder what Petrelli's version will look like (once he realizes the ability). It's gonna be hard for him to create a game-plan to defeat Sylar, them having the same abilities and all. Pete's fling with him though brief, was interesting (and a nice teaser). I'm guessing they won't have a final showdown til the end of next season.

Anyways, I like how they're gonna' forward-flash instead of backwards like Lost. But they'll have to flashback again to the past (present?), to show what happened in the previous five years that were skipped over.

Actually Peter has more abilities than Sylar. Peter has all of Sylar's abilities by being in proximity to Sylar. And Peter has the abilities of many other people he's come in contact that Sylar hasn't killed. Part of Sylar's innate ability to take someones power requires him to kill that individual to figure out how they tick.

To counter that advantage, Sylar has more control over the powers he's gained, and it would appear more in depth knowledge about the powers by the nature of his own power.

CCourtney

It could be the Peter only has the abilities that Sylar uses in his presence & not "all" of them.

Why didn't Peter just saw off the top of Sylar's head using Sylar's telekinetic ability when he had the chance. Even if he and Sylar each lopped off the top of each other's head simultaneously, Peter would just need Clair to stick the top of his head back on and he would come back to life. Problem solved.

:D True but then the story line would be dead.

Why didn't Peter just saw off the top of Sylar's head using Sylar's telekinetic ability when he had the chance. Even if he and Sylar each lopped off the top of each other's head simultaneously, Peter would just need Clair to stick the top of his head back on and he would come back to life. Problem solved.

the same reason he fell onto a car when he got thrown off the roof. As mentioned above he needs practice and some understanding of what he can do to control it.

I suspect Angela Petrilli also has a power but yet to be seen...
Anyone care to guess what her power is...other than Super Bitchiness? :confused:

I still think she's an 'oracle' of sorts...

Possibly even closer to a Professor Xavier type super hero...

A couple of things: Peter already has the ability to paint (he even painted in one episode when Isaac wouldn't). The other is, Hiro has met himself (once), but briefly by phone. So my prediction of himself as an antithesis from another timeline still stands, if it happens.

And maitak's theory of Shape-shift Girl sounds......well, very sound.

Of course, the real problem here that everyone is trying to sidestep around, is that Peter is SO powerful and in so may diverse ways, that the writers will either have to kill him off (please, no Phoenix tagbacks, okay?) or handicap him, because other than Sylar or his clone, who else can he have a challenging match with?

Bottom line suggests that something terrible is going to have to happen to Peter at some point, so they don't have to change the show's title to ''Peter and the Sidekicks". The writers are going to have to limit his capabilities one way or the other.

The more powers he gets, the less usefullness he offers this series, unless he becomes Sylar's successor or something.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Anyone care to guess what her power is...other than Super Bitchiness? :confused:When she alluded to having a power and then they cut to showing Nathan and Peter's faces all of a sudden lighting up with surprised looks on them like, "Woah!", it seemed like she was probably demonstrating for them. Of course we didn't get to see though... It was a good tease :).


ron

Give it a rest, she is still an extreme hottie with an ongoing role on the coolest show on TV. The general public would know you from this "youtube-esque" rabbit punch that you keep posting the link too and what else?

Not trying to be an a** but it's not cool to insult someone just because you can.

I don't keep posting to this video.
http://one.revver.com/watch/204401

Just thought I would bring it up again, once. Now twice since you had to throw your 2 cents in.

Check out this link: http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=49863

Most want Nikki/Jessica off, her character is the worst.

All I did was do her a favor by letting her know that she happens to play one of the most unpopular characters on a great show. She has a right to know so she can complain to the writers to make her character more interesting (and finally resolve the Nikki/Jessica BS) before the producers get wind of the unpopularity of her character (see the link above) and can her. Not only that, I joked with her about being a half-way decent actress and the crazy closed-minded fanboys there got bent out of shape, probably only because she is a hottie.

I don't know about the general public, but this video did air on the March 9, 2007 episode of G4's "Attack of the Show." Olivia Munn even had some (dumb) comments specifically directed towards me.

I don't keep posting to this video.
http://one.revver.com/watch/204401

Check out this link: http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=49863

All I did was do her a favor by letting her know that she happens to play one of the most unpopular characters on a great show...
Thanks for posting that, pappy. It makes me like the beautiful and talented Ali Larter even more than I already did. It's rare to see someone with that much grace and humor under criticism from a completely unknown person with little or no media influence whatsoever. If I were the least popular character on the most popular show, I doubt much would affect me on my endless trips to the bank either. I guess it's far better to be the worst character on the best show than the best character on a cancelled show. :D

All I did was do her a favor by letting her know that she happens to play one of the most unpopular characters on a great show. She has a right to know so she can complain to the writers to make her character more interesting (and finally resolve the Nikki/Jessica BS) before the producers get wind of the unpopularity of her character (see the link above) and can her. Not only that, I joked with her about being a half-way decent actress and the crazy closed-minded fanboys there got bent out of shape, probably only because she is a hottie.



Dude, you are really that stunningly clueless? Calling her a "halfway-decent actress" is an insult. The other people there were shocked, rightly so, at that lack of good taste and probably embarrassed for her. To her credit, she kept her composure and tried to laugh it off.

It's shocking you're so enthralled by your classless moment of fame that you're actually proud of making an a$$ of yourself and embarrassing an actress in public.

I still think she's an 'oracle' of sorts...

Possibly even closer to a Professor Xavier type super hero...

This is the 2nd time you've mentioned Professor X, but I'm not seeing the connection. He is a telepath, not an oracle. He has no ability to see or predict the future. Evidence suggests Mrs. Petrelli may be able to see the future, but it doesn't seem like she has any telepathy abilities.

I don't mean to keep picking on you, ncxcstud, but can you explain this a bit more?

It could be the Peter only has the abilities that Sylar uses in his presence & not "all" of them.

It was already stated the Peter gains all of Sylar's powers by just being around a person and that they stated Peter gained ALL of Sylar's powers just being close to him. They don't have to use the power for Peter to get it.

Just watched ".07%" last night. AWESOME! I was out of my chair when Sylar was doing in Peter! I was worried that the hiatus would have hurt Heroes. No way, this show is excellent. MacDowell is a great character here.

One observation - looks like Claire has gained a little weight, huh?

nc

One observation - looks like Claire has gained a little weight, huh?

Please don't start. We don't need another skeleton on TV.

One observation - looks like Claire has gained a little weight, huh?

nc


I think she looks fantastic, in a none sort of creepy, she's really young , way :p

It was already stated the Peter gains all of Sylar's powers by just being around a person and that they stated Peter gained ALL of Sylar's powers just being close to him. They don't have to use the power for Peter to get it.

But he doesn't know what they are or how to use them yet.

This is the 2nd time you've mentioned Professor X, but I'm not seeing the connection. He is a telepath, not an oracle. He has no ability to see or predict the future. Evidence suggests Mrs. Petrelli may be able to see the future, but it doesn't seem like she has any telepathy abilities.

My personal theory is that either Mr. Devereaux or Mrs. Petrelli have the power to dream the future. That's how Peter got that ability. Actually, I would bet that it's Mr. Deveruaex (I know I spell it differently this time, I figure one of them is correct) that has the pre-cog dreaming power.

Didn't Peter say that we dreamt that he was flying through the city to Simone? I think he also said that he was thinking of her dad when he fell asleep. Peter's abilities mainfest themselves when he visualizes the people from whom he got the powers from.

So lemme think this through. Peter is born with the power to "absorb" other people's special powers.

The "special" people that are closest to him are Nathan, mom, and Devereuax. He got flying from Nathan and pre-cog dreaming from Dev. What else can he do that hasn't been explained?

I guess that's the big question and it hasn't been revealed on the show, and I'm guessing it hasn't been revealed in the Graphic Novels either. I'm sure they've hinted at mom's powers, but I'm just too thick to see it.

ft

Living known individuals with powers
Claire
Hiro
Miccah
Nikki
Nathan
Peter
DL
Sylar
The Hatian
Matt
Ted
Linderman
Eden
Claude
Hana

I suspect Angela Petrilli also has a power but yet to be seen.

CCourtney

EDIT: Added Hana to list of living chars w/ powers
Two more for your list:
Candace (Shape shifter)
Claire's biological mother

But he doesn't know what they are or how to use them yet.

Right, he probably doesn't even know he has super hearing now, among other things.

I have to say, there is something that's getting a little darker about Peter. Maybe it's just self-confidence, but he's got this kind of dangerous guy vide to him now.

Question, wasn't the diner that HRG/Parkman/Ted in the same one Hiro was in where the girl got killed? That was just plain funny, the three of them sitting around a table.

I have to say, there is something that's getting a little darker about Peter. Maybe it's just self-confidence, but he's got this kind of dangerous guy vide to him now.

Question, wasn't the diner that HRG/Parkman/Ted in the same one Hiro was in where the girl got killed? That was just plain funny, the three of them sitting around a table.

Yes it was the same, and the same waitress that talked to Hiro (not the one that died, the other lady). I made the same comment to my wife.

I have to say, there is something that's getting a little darker about Peter. Maybe it's just self-confidence, but he's got this kind of dangerous guy vide to him now.

Question, wasn't the diner that HRG/Parkman/Ted in the same one Hiro was in where the girl got killed? That was just plain funny, the three of them sitting around a table.

Oh and also, its the exact same table Hiro and Ando where sitting at with Isaac. Pretty cool.

Two more for your list:
Candace (Shape shifter)....
I don't understand why some people keep referring to Candace as a "shape-shifter." Everything I've seen to date suggests that she can create illusions, not 'morph' her actual shape.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

I don't understand why some people keep referring to Candace as a "shape-shifter." Everything I've seen to date suggests that she can create illusions, not 'morph' her actual shape.



Yeah, that's how I see it too. She can project an illusion of her appearance into the mind of anyone she chooses.

In Greg Beeman's latest blog, he explains why the diner was the same. http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2007/04/episode-19-07.html

I have to say, there is something that's getting a little darker about Peter. Maybe it's just self-confidence, but he's got this kind of dangerous guy vide to him now.

Well, as I’ve mentioned before, there seems to be only a couple of ways that the writers can keep Peter in play, because he’s way too powerful, without making all of the other Heroes seem superfluous or redundant:

First, martyr him and kill him off in the process of saving some other Heroes or mankind itself;

Second, undo his omnipotence by having his powers leak away from him. Nothing so far indicates that after he absorbs them, he can keep or maintain them forever.

Third, the plot twist of turning him into a villainous Sylar replacement, with some kind of theme that the strain of containing and controlling a vast number of powers has driven him mad.

IOW, they may be developing that ‘dark side’ as foreshadowing that will lead, (or appear to lead), to that third alternative.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Wow... sweet blog!

It was already stated the Peter gains all of Sylar's powers by just being around a person and that they stated Peter gained ALL of Sylar's powers just being close to him. They don't have to use the power for Peter to get it.

Actually, just reading Beeman's blog again I noticed even he doesn't seem sure of that. In answer to a fan question about that very same thing he replies:


Guess what? I don’t know. Obviously, though, Peter only absorbed the telekinesis – which Sylar was actively using. And he did not absorb freeze-o power, super memory or the incredible pot-melting ability.

http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2007/03/blog-fan-questions-week-3.html


Has it been confirmed since then?

Actually, just reading Beeman's blog again I noticed even he doesn't seem sure of that. In answer to a fan question about that very same thing he replies:


Guess what? I don’t know. Obviously, though, Peter only absorbed the telekinesis – which Sylar was actively using. And he did not absorb freeze-o power, super memory or the incredible pot-melting ability.

http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2007/03/blog-fan-questions-week-3.html


Has it been confirmed since then?

The shows creator Tim Kring has already stated it in interviews a couple times. He referred to the scene with Sylar and Peter and stated that eys, just being around Sylar caused Peter to absorb all of Sylar's abilities.

Behind the Scenes With Heroes Creator Tim Kring and "Hiro," Masi Oka

David Kushner from Wired magazine

Tim Kring doesn't know Magneto from Wolverine. You'd never know it from watching Heroes, his hit show about everyday people with extraordinary powers.

Tim Kring has never been much into comic books. As a kid growing up in Santa Maria, California, he was more into running track and playing acoustic guitar. "The idea of the dialog bubbles always bothered me," he says. (That's a major tip-off - a true comics fan knows those things are called speech balloons.)

As an adult, Kring found success as a writer and creator of mainstream TV dramas - Chicago Hope and Providence in the 1990s, Crossing Jordan in 2001. His only brush with geekdom was when, at the age of 24, he sold his first script to the so-lame-it's-cool show Knight Rider.

Now, lo and behold, he's television's lord of the geeks. Kring is the creator of Heroes, the Monday night NBC drama that's one of the few breakout hits of the 2006-07 season. It regularly scores 15 million viewers and ranks in the Nielsen top 20. So how does a guy who doesn't know Magneto from Wolverine find himself running a smash show about ordinary people who suddenly and inexplicably develop amazing superpowers?

In today's increasingly splintered TV landscape, a successful series has to cater to multiple audiences, and Heroes is both a mass-market success and a cult hit. But other TV creators who bridged the mass/niche divide - Lost's JJ Abrams, Ron Moore of Battlestar Galactica, Joss Whedon of Buffy the Vampire Slayer - were intimately familiar with the sci-fi and horror genres they were reinventing. Kring? Not so much. He freely admits that his show was partly an attempt to recreate the success of Lost, which explains why Heroes follows a similar formula: a dozen central characters, a touch of the supernatural, and an overarching mystery with clues dribbled out gradually.

To compensate for his ignorance of the superfriends genre, Kring hired a team of comics-savvy writers who dubbed themselves the League of Heroic Scribblers. Kring acts as a mainstream counterbalance. The result is a show that straddles two worlds, bringing geek sensibility to the masses and mainstream TV polish to the caped-crusader crowd. It's Topic A whether you're standing around the watercooler or hanging out at a Star Trek convention. And even though Heroes may have been the product of reverse engineering, the experiment has been such a success that it may well end up surpassing other cult touchstones.

There's a framed Heroes comic book on the wall of Kring's office in the NBC building in Los Angeles. T-shirts and caps and other tie-in merchandise pack his shelves. Reports of the show's top-rated premieres in countries from Australia to Singapore form a stack on his desk. Tacked on the bulletin board is an illustration of a brawny caped crusader with Kring's mug Photoshopped in.

Lanky, with graying hair and wearing faded jeans, Kring still can't get over his success. He just returned from France, where fans accosted him to pitch new superheroes, like "a character who could make amazing wine because he could affect the weather over his tiny little plot of land."

It all started when NBC execs came to him in 2005. They were desperate to match the success of serial dramas Lost and 24, and they liked his track record, especially the police procedural Crossing Jordan, which is still popular in its sixth season. Kring looked to the zeitgeist for a concept. "I was noticing how agitated most people are about the world in general, the big issues that are really hard to fix," he says. He also saw drama in "a mild-mannered person who reveals something extraordinary you never saw coming." Those themes became the crux of Heroes.

Next, Kring surrounded himself with geeks. "I needed to know whether I was reinventing the wheel in a bogus way or a unique way," he says. So he got on his bat phone and called up the hottest comic book guys in town, like Jeph Loeb, who had been writing for Marvel and DC and scripting episodes of Smallville, a prime-time soap about a hunky teenage Superman. Loeb says that he was there "to make sure Kring wasn't crashing into the guardrails."

Kring's approach was counterintuitive to someone from a comics background, says Greg Beeman, another Smallville vet who came to Heroes as an executive producer. "I'd think, 'We need an ice guy! We need a fire guy! We need a guy who shoots rays out of his eyes!'" Beeman says. "Tim thought in terms of distinct characters." He started with a character's personal struggles and predicaments and assigned special abilities to suit. A harried single mom gets superstrength. A clock-watching Dilbert type learns to control time. A prison escapee is suddenly able to walk through walls. And when Kring's protagonists develop their powers, they don't strap on spandex and capes - they grapple with these strange developments like believable human beings. "That's the real secret of comics in the first place," Loeb says. "Peter Parker's dilemma is infinitely more interesting than Spider-Man's."

Kring and his team put together a story line about a group of nine budding heroes banding together to save the world from the "apocalyptic event" - a nuke that could obliterate New York City. When the show premiered in September, Variety wrote that it was "destined to leave a small but outspoken fan contingent grumbling next summer at Comic-Con about its cancellation." But something surprising happened. It attracted a huge, loyal audience, and it was renewed for a second season after just four months.


Masi Oka, who based Hiro's wide-eyed innocence on an anime character, wants Heroes to include more geeky references: "Sometimes I try to sneak one in there."
Photograph by Carlos Serrao Masi Oka, who plays salaryman Hiro Nakamura on Heroes, is scarfing down baked chicken in the back of a strip club in Van Nuys, California, on a break from filming the April 30 episode. "Tim's a great barometer for people who are not into comics," Oka says. "If Tim understands it, the whole world will. The writers might geek out and come up with some time- traveling, mind-bending fifth-dimensional thing. Tim says, 'Whoa, what does that mean?'"

On the show, Oka's character is an office worker who lacks fashion sense, loves comics and videogames, and quotes Star Trek. But in a cheeky conceit, the chubby nebbish Hiro is the central hero of Heroes. And it's his geekiness that gives him an edge. Because Hiro is so well versed in the myth and lore of superheroes, he's the one with the clearest sense of what to do with his powers.

Oka himself is a geek made good. Before he pursued acting, he was a CG artist at Industrial Light & Magic, crafting f/x for films like War of the Worlds and Revenge of the Sith. (He still does occasional work for the company - no one else knows how to use the programs he coded.) His endearing performance on Heroes earned him a Golden Globe nomination for supporting actor. And for today's shoot, he's ditched his standard nerdy wardrobe for the much cooler "Future Hiro" outfit - a black tunic, soul patch, and badass samurai sword.

[some semi-spoilers for next week]

The episode is set five years in the future - Kring feels they've finally earned enough trust to show their audience the time- traveling, mind-bending fifth-dimensional thing. The situation is grim. The heroes were unable to prevent the apocalyptic event in New York, and it wiped out millions. Now they're being hunted and killed like terrorists. Hiro is in a Vegas strip club to deliver a vitally important message to Ali Larter's single-mom character, Niki, who in this alternate reality is reduced to making her living as a lap dancer.

Meanwhile, the League of Heroic Scribblers takes pains to keep geeks entertained. Marvel Comics luminary Stan Lee has a cameo. George Takei, Captain Sulu from the original Star Trek, plays Hiro's dad. And while the idea of a Larter striptease is appealing, the real fanboy money shot will be the episode's extended allusion to the "Days of Future Past" story line from X-Men issues 141 and 142.

Oka loves the geeky references. "Sometimes I try to sneak one in there," he says. He based Hiro's wide-eyed innocence on a character from the Dragonball anime, and he's hoping the show will include more nods to Japanese manga.

Back in his office, Kring admits that most of these allusions sail over his head. "In the writers' room, they use code I don't understand," he says. But he endorses Oka's idea of adding more manga references. Kring's not after fan service for geeks, though; he's thinking about how to broaden Heroes' appeal to the Asian market.

A modern TV creator like Kring can't think about just the next episode. He has to think about a world audience and plan several seasons out. "A big complaint for Lost was that you had to wade through too many shows before something happened," Kring says. He is committed to wrapping up story lines each season instead of sinking too deeply into a meandering mythology. "The apocalyptic event in Heroes will be resolved in season one, and we'll move on to something else in season two."

A modern TV creator also has to think outside of the boobtube. "When I pitched Heroes, I knew an important element to getting on air was how it can incorporate the Internet," he says. "I'm sort of a student of television, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that things are changing quickly. Production costs are going up. We're losing eyeballs. We have to reach people in other ways."

Which is why Heroes has recently introduced a female character who can physically interface with the Web. She's already a featured character in the tie-in webcomic, and she guides fans through an alternate-reality game, giving them codes so they can hunt for clues on MySpace pages and blogs purportedly written by the characters. (Kring and his team of superfriends have also set up 9thwonders.com, a site with illustrations, interviews, and message boards where fans can gather to dissect the previous week's episode.) "My job has changed from being in the writing and editing room," Kring says, with some surprise, "to managing a brand." Not bad for a guy who used to write dialog for a talking car.

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In Greg Beeman's latest blog, he explains why the diner was the same. http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2007/04/episode-19-07.html

For those that don't want to read the whole thing, the short explanation is that they didn't have enough money to shoot the scene where they wanted to, so they had to work with an existing set. Also, he explains that originally the fight between Peter and Sylar was scripted to have more action and was supposed to end with Suresh pushing Sylar out of a window, but they didn't have the money for all those effects shots.

From the blog: "At the end of the day I think most of these compromises have no negative impact on the show...The only one that continues to perturb me is how Sylar is taken out. The world’s most fearsome villain, immediately after taking care of Peter, who has about 14 powers, gets knocked out by a chalkboard?!? Oh well."

It is good to know it wasn't the writers' fault that scene was kinda weak (especially the gaping plot hole of Suresh leaving Sylar knocked out but alive...presumably Sylar would've bolted after being thrown out of the window).

I don't keep posting to this video.
http://one.revver.com/watch/204401

Just thought I would bring it up again, once. Now twice since you had to throw your 2 cents in.

Check out this link: http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=49863

Most want Nikki/Jessica off, her character is the worst.

All I did was do her a favor by letting her know that she happens to play one of the most unpopular characters on a great show. She has a right to know so she can complain to the writers to make her character more interesting (and finally resolve the Nikki/Jessica BS) before the producers get wind of the unpopularity of her character (see the link above) and can her. Not only that, I joked with her about being a half-way decent actress and the crazy closed-minded fanboys there got bent out of shape, probably only because she is a hottie.

I don't know about the general public, but this video did air on the March 9, 2007 episode of G4's "Attack of the Show." Olivia Munn even had some (dumb) comments specifically directed towards me.

wow, what a dork in that video. It's only a TV show. She is a real person. People need to get a life

For those that don't want to read the whole thing, the short explanation is that they didn't have enough money to shoot the scene where they wanted to, so they had to work with an existing set. Also, he explains that originally the fight between Peter and Sylar was scripted to have more action and was supposed to end with Suresh pushing Sylar out of a window, but they didn't have the money for all those effects shots.

From the blog: "At the end of the day I think most of these compromises have no negative impact on the show...The only one that continues to perturb me is how Sylar is taken out. The world’s most fearsome villain, immediately after taking care of Peter, who has about 14 powers, gets knocked out by a chalkboard?!? Oh well."

It is good to know it wasn't the writers' fault that scene was kinda weak (especially the gaping plot hole of Suresh leaving Sylar knocked out but alive...presumably Sylar would've bolted after being thrown out of the window).
Interesting blog, and it does explain the rather glaring hole in the scene, as it was shown didn't make much sense to me either.

Interesting blog, and it does explain the rather glaring hole in the scene, as it was shown didn't make much sense to me either.

I agree. It felt like a whole scene had gone missing. Now we know why. It still could have been edited a bit better, though. Perhaps a quick scene showing Sylar coming to, seeing Mohinder and Peter gone, and high-tailing it out of there.

Not that I dont agree with you but you are comparing season 1 to shows later in the season year 3+ . Season 1 to season 1 I would say 4400 is better of the shows in the last 5 years.
I will take a bite of this comparison, Comparing season 1's I think 24 should be on everyones list in the top 5. . Lost in my view is the #1 for season 1. Heroes is #3 for this year but when you compare season one Heroes would be #2 and 24 would be #3. for this year it is switched only because it gets the DVR treatment while I watch 24 1st now in its sixth year. I don't watch GA or DH but these 2 might be on anothers list. other shows season 1 that caught me and dragged me into the must see weekly list would be:
The Shield
L&O:CI DaNofrio made that show
Las Vegas Just a guilty pleasure that I watched religiously.

I don't understand why some people keep referring to Candace as a "shape-shifter." Everything I've seen to date suggests that she can create illusions, not 'morph' her actual shape.

I was just using the same description as most other people. I didn't really think about what her real ability is when I posted. Having said that, I agree with you that her ability is probably the power to create illusions. When the Eric Roberts character entered, she said something like "I could make him (HRG) see thing that would make him want to rip his eyes out". This supports creating illusions more than it does shape shifting.

I was just using the same description as most other people. I didn't really think about what her real ability is when I posted. Having said that, I agree with you that her ability is probably the power to create illusions. When the Eric Roberts character entered, she said something like "I could make him (HRG) see thing that would make him want to rip his eyes out". This supports creating illusions more than it does shape shifting.

Yeah, it definitely is illusions. In the one scene where she is Simone laying on the bed/matress in the apartment, when it changes, she doesn't just change, that whole area of the apartment changes.

If anyone is interested, Youtube has 3 short sneak peeks at the next episode, Five Years Gone. They are all about Future Hiro. Freaking loved them, got me pumped up for that show!!

I think Sylar will kill the girl that can impersonate people and he steals her power, then impersonates Nathan after he gets elected. The two different versions of the painting represents what each painter sees. The one by Isaac shows it as Nathan since that's what he visualizes, the one by Sylar shows that it's actually Sylar.

I like the the way that sounds, but that will make Sylar to powerful. I think Sylar needs to scratch and claw his way to the top. If he comes in touch with total power like you describe. Then you can end the show right there because he will have everything at his command to stop the other heroes or capture them and kill them one by one.

We need him to keep on killing but not to a grand scale. Also have the other heroes always trying to find him but they are always ending up two steps behind his next victim.

I have a question/thought for you guys.
We know Peter is a mimic. But he also travels a lot. Shouldn't it be possible that he has all of the powers that Sylar has? Also while walking through the streets of NYC, Wouldn't it be possible he can mimic other powers just by walking right next to someone who has power? Plus there might be a few powers that he might have not mastered yet or known about that needs to surface.

If anyone is interested, Youtube has 3 short sneak peeks at the next episode, Five Years Gone. They are all about Future Hiro. Freaking loved them, got me pumped up for that show!!
I am ready to wait for the 4 days. But thank you, I will make sure I don't click on that when I download the weekly comic.

I have a question/thought for you guys.
We know Peter is a mimic. But he also travels a lot. Shouldn't it be possible that he has all of the powers that Sylar has? Also while walking through the streets of NYC, Wouldn't it be possible he can mimic other powers just by walking right next to someone who has power? Plus there might be a few powers that he might have not mastered yet or known about that needs to surface.Theoretically, he should have all of his powers plus one Sylar doesn't: invisibility. I bet he almost wet his pants when Pete went ghost.

Theoretically, he should have all of his powers plus one Sylar doesn't: invisibility. I bet he almost wet his pants when Pete went ghost.We know Peter can fly, turn invisible, and heal. If Sylar can do any of these things then we now know he only has to meet a Hero to gain their power, because he has yet to ingest any of the originals.

There is something that I haven't seen discussed - If Sylar has the super-hearing, he should have known exactly where Peter was from his heartbeat.

Sylar shouldn't have needed to do a random spray of glass to get Peter, although it did look cool!

There is something that I haven't seen discussed - If Sylar has the super-hearing, he should have known exactly where Peter was from his heartbeat.

Sylar shouldn't have needed to do a random spray of glass to get Peter, although it did look cool!

Already covered...it was probably not a random spray.

Already covered...it was probably not a random spray.

Looking in the wrong direction, fires 180 degree arc, waits for reaction ... that's says random to me.

If he knew where Peter was he could have just sent a massive volley of glass to that area of the room instead.

as said, already covered. He waited til he heard peter and then bam, nothing random about it...

I was just using the same description as most other people. I didn't really think about what her real ability is when I posted. Having said that, I agree with you that her ability is probably the power to create illusions. When the Eric Roberts character entered, she said something like "I could make him (HRG) see thing that would make him want to rip his eyes out". This supports creating illusions more than it does shape shifting.

This would also explain why HRG knew that she was a phony Claire when she hugged him. She looked and sounded perfect but felt differently. This would also take care of the issue as to whether she can create inanimate objects, like clothes, cell phones or weapons carried by the people she copies.

This would also explain why HRG knew that she was a phony Claire when she hugged him. She looked and sounded perfect but felt differently. This would also take care of the issue as to whether she can create inanimate objects, like clothes, cell phones or weapons carried by the people she copies.I don't think that was it. He just didn't believe they had caught Claire.

I don't think that was it. He just didn't believe they had caught Claire.

Sorry, I'm inclined to go with Viventis' theory on this one. It was the hug that clearly tipped him off. She just didn't "feel" right; watch his expression.

Looking in the wrong direction, fires 180 degree arc, waits for reaction ... that's says random to me.

If he knew where Peter was he could have just sent a massive volley of glass to that area of the room instead.The arc didn't look that wide to me.

Sylar has super hearing, not echo-location. We haven't been given any indication that this ability allows him to pinpoint a person in a room from their heartbeat. I suspect he can only tell the general direction.

Sorry, I'm inclined to go with Viventis' theory on this one. It was the hug that clearly tipped him off. She just didn't "feel" right; watch his expression.This is her ability, she's obviously had a lot of experience with it. If her ability was really that limited, she would avoid all body contact, especially a "full" hug. No one would mistake her body type for Claire, and she would know that.

What is more likely -- she is that stupid, or HRG has some common sense? We know they've been probing HRG all week with questions, and he knows they'd do just about anything to get answers.

I have a question/thought for you guys.
We know Peter is a mimic. But he also travels a lot. Shouldn't it be possible that he has all of the powers that Sylar has? Also while walking through the streets of NYC, Wouldn't it be possible he can mimic other powers just by walking right next to someone who has power? Plus there might be a few powers that he might have not mastered yet or known about that needs to surface.

Peter DOES have all of Sylar's powers already. See a few posts up on all the powers (that we know of) that Peter has compared to Sylar.

Yes, if Peter walks down the street and passes someone with a super power he would gain that too. However, he would never know he has it unless he saw someone doing something with it because he has to recall how he felt at that moment, sort of focusing on the power to call it forth, so he couldn't do that if he doesn't know if he has it.

In regards to Peter healing from having Claire's power, Claire's healing power for herself is listed as spontanous regeneration. So maybe the writers are just taking some liberty with this that this is the one power he doesn't have to focus on in order to use it.

This is her ability, she's obviously had a lot of experience with it. If her ability was really that limited, she would avoid all body contact, especially a "full" hug. No one would mistake her body type for Claire, and she would know that.

What is more likely -- that she is that stupid? Or HRG has some common sense? We know they've been probing HRG all week with questions, and he knows they'd do just about anything to get answers.

Yeah, I lean towards he probably just realized that it wasn't her because she is suddenly in her cell and the way she was acting. They create an illusion, she probably can't duplicate exactly how they act. Perhaps the act of Claire hugging her father was so out of character for Claire, combined with the things she was saying, the way she was acting, etc. tipped him off. Plus she is suddenly in his cell and got in so easy, probably all just didn't add up to HRG.

Yeah, I lean towards he probably just realized that it wasn't her because she is suddenly in her cell and the way she was acting. They create an illusion, she probably can't duplicate exactly how they act. Perhaps the act of Claire hugging her father was so out of character for Claire, combined with the things she was saying, the way she was acting, etc. tipped him off. Plus she is suddenly in his cell and got in so easy, probably all just didn't add up to HRG.I think everyone's reading way more into it.

I think the writers wanted to convey that HRG's connection with Claire is so strong that he could "feel" that something wasn't right. He had a feeling that it wasn't her.

Contrast that to Micah's relationship with his mother, who is so fractured that he couldn't "feel" that it wasn't Jessica/Nikki. Also, HRG might have had his wife mind-wiped so many times that he doesn't even know her anymore. That's why he got snookered in the hotel. A last example was with Issac and Simone. In this case, I think he was just in shock at what happened.

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Looking in the wrong direction, fires 180 degree arc, waits for reaction ... that's says random to me.

If he knew where Peter was he could have just sent a massive volley of glass to that area of the room instead.

He was using his hearing...he doesn't need to look in the right direction.

This would also explain why HRG knew that she was a phony Claire when she hugged him. She looked and sounded perfect but felt differently. This would also take care of the issue as to whether she can create inanimate objects, like clothes, cell phones or weapons carried by the people she copies.
I'd assume that the intent was to show that the daddy/daughter relationship is so strong that he "senses" something is wrong. It appears our newest villain is an illusionist, and as such, can create the look of whoever she chooses. What about the "feel" in the tactile sense, not the emotional way? Do her actual cotton clothes "feel" like a polyester cheerleading outfit? (The outfit was the giveaway to me, btw) Does her illusion of the character's hair feel as though it has gel in it when the real person uses hairspray? What about smell? It would be a stretch (even by Heroes standards) to assume she can reproduce that effect precisely.

Maybe illusion girl assumed Claire had implants, and that's why the hug didnt' "feel" right. ;)

Some questions remian. Does illusion girl have to see the actual person, or just a photo? When did she see Nikkicca? Or Claire? How does she know how they talk/act? Is the illusion only seen by those she wants to see, via a form of mind trickery, or does she somehow bend space to create a more physical ruse?

here is a great reason to love this show... :)

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Some questions remian. Does illusion girl have to see the actual person, or just a photo? When did she see Nikkicca? Or Claire? How does she know how they talk/act? Is the illusion only seen by those she wants to see, via a form of mind trickery, or does she somehow bend space to create a more physical ruse?

I would think it would have to be that she makes you see what you want from your mind only. For example, when she impirsonated a dead Simone. She got the clothes right from that day, where the gun shot wound was, etc. I don't know if she had time to observe all that ahead of time.

here is a great reason to love this show... :)

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I tell ya what, bring her over to my place and I'll feel her for a while and let you know how it works ;) She can be the cheerleader, Simone, or especially herself. I'm not picky ;)

I tell ya what, bring her over to my place and I'll feel her for a while and let you know how it works ;) She can be the cheerleader, Simone, or especially herself. I'm not picky ;)
Yeah, you say that now... until she turns herself into Parkman while you're "sealing the deal" :eek: :D

I feel the need to bathe... in rubbing alchohol. *shudder*

Our gorgeous impersonator girl reminds me of a villain on the last season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, “The One,” who was as talented as our Heroes girl is, but could only impersonate folks who had died – and we never saw him unless he was impersonating someone. For obvious reasons, I enjoy our Heroes girl most when she is being herself. :)

Peter DOES have all of Sylar's powers already. See a few posts up on all the powers (that we know of) that Peter has compared to Sylar.

Yes, if Peter walks down the street and passes someone with a super power he would gain that too. However, he would never know he has it unless he saw someone doing something with it because he has to recall how he felt at that moment, sort of focusing on the power to call it forth, so he couldn't do that if he doesn't know if he has it.
That makes sense Will, so he has infinate powers but he has to have the need or the visual proof to be able to try it. But here is another one. I understand having the power but he does lose the power. Doesn't he? It is only a temporary fix. So why would he be able to take her powers if he is already dead. I know this is a TV show but I don't think that is good enogh. Don't get me wrong, I love the show but be a little realistic to Sci-fi fans. If she died by having a chicken leg/branch(yeah I went old school with that one) and came to life when removed, how would he be able to live just when she removed the glass? Dead is dead. You lose your life force it, it is gone, Period. But if that is my only fault then we are getting some good sci-fi here.

I would think it would have to be that she makes you see what you want from your mind only. For example, when she impirsonated a dead Simone. She got the clothes right from that day, where the gun shot wound was, etc. I don't know if she had time to observe all that ahead of time.
That's a good take. So, given that reasoning, does everyone else see her the way she intends, or just the person whose mind she's invading to get the memory?