I don't know about you, but without any powers, I would give the Haitian pretty good odds at beating the crap out of Sylar.

without any powers a chalkboard can take out Sylar. :)

Also, I think there could a reason that Future Hiro stopped time when he went back to talk to Peter. Maybe Hiro cannot stay in the past as the time flows. He seems to be able to go to the future (from the point of his original timeline) and come back, but not go to the past (or it is very difficult when the time flows).

Hong.
Actually, Hiro can function fully when he travels back in time. He traveled back 6 months when he tried to save Charlie. Didn't work out the way he wanted, however.

Did he mention Peter specifically? I remeber originally he said he could prevent Hiro from using his powers somehow and I thought in that other scene he just said, we need to stop the Haitain, or something general like that.

At any rate, the Haitain seems to be able to prevent some powers that are mental related from working, not sure how many of Peter's are in the category, the whole Haitain plot line for his powers is very vague and unexplained.
Not exactly specifically, but he did say "we" - meaning both he and Peter.

So far the impression given from the show is that the Haitian can block *all* powers, although they have been vague on explaining how it works. And it also seems that just his presence does not block abilities, and that he has to concentrate for it to work (i.e. Nathan flying away when he was kidnapped).

It's fire vs. ice

I wonder which would win then. Especially if they both can regenerate, how does that battle end?

Not exactly specifically, but he did say "we" - meaning both he and Peter.

So far the impression given from the show is that the Haitian can block *all* powers, although they have been vague on explaining how it works. And it also seems that just his presence does not block abilities, and that he has to concentrate for it to work (i.e. Nathan flying away when he was kidnapped).

Hmmm, just seems odd that he has two powers then, blocking powers and erasing memories. Kind of changes the whole show if that is true. I wish they would explain it more.

I JUST FIGURED IT OUT! Man, it hit me like a brick.

The Haitian doesn't have two powers and yes he CAN block ALL heroes powers! Its so obvious now.

His ability is to impact memories, removing them, etc. his whole power is memory related. So all he is doing with his power is blocking the memory from the person on how to use the power, how to call it forth. If you can't remember how to call it forth, how it works, etc. you can't use it.

Not a bad theory, actually. ;)

Why not just go back in time when Sylar was born and kill him? Sounds simple enough.
Hiro already learned from his waitress girlfriend's death that you can't go back and change the past.

I wonder which would win then. Especially if they both can regenerate, how does that battle end?

we'll never know. Since the good guys have to win this season those events will never take place. Sylar might kill DL but I think Claire will be safe for another season, so Peter will always have that advantage.

Hiro already learned from his waitress girlfriend's death that you can't go back and change the past.

How about the Twilight Zone episode when they went back to kill Hitler as a baby?

we'll never know. Since the good guys have to win this season those events will never take place. Sylar might kill DL but I think Claire will be safe for another season, so Peter will always have that advantage.

Hey, that brings up another interesting question: If a person with powers that have been absorbed by Peter dies, can he still use that power? Obviously Sylar can, but what about Pete?

I JUST FIGURED IT OUT! Man, it hit me like a brick.

The Haitian doesn't have two powers and yes he CAN block ALL heroes powers! Its so obvious now.

His ability is to impact memories, removing them, etc. his whole power is memory related. So all he is doing with his power is blocking the memory from the person on how to use the power, how to call it forth. If you can't remember how to call it forth, how it works, etc. you can't use it.
Actually, I think we were already told the part about memories by Thompson, how the Hatian could pluck memories out of peoples' brains. Think it was in the 'Company Man' ep, after HRG told Thompson how Mrs. HRG had found out things she wasn't supposed to know.

So yeah, I guess you could extrapolate that into stealing memories of someone's powers, or how to use them. Wonder if the Haitian will remain the only character that doesn't have a real name?

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Hey, that brings up another interesting question: If a person with powers that have been absorbed by Peter dies, can he still use that power? Obviously Sylar can, but what about Pete?
I said this once already and I'll say it again. I've got this real funny feeling that Peter's powers don't work exactly the way we think they do. Something is going on there that we don't know about yet.

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Hiro already learned from his waitress girlfriend's death that you can't go back and change the past.
1 + 2 does not equal 4. Just because Hiro couldn't save Charlie doesn't mean the past can't be changed. In fact, "future Hiro" *IS* changing the past just through contact with Peter and "current Hiro."

Hiro already learned from his waitress girlfriend's death that you can't go back and change the past.I'd still like to know what happened when Hiro went six months into the past. It would seem that he could've either rescued Charlie, or killed Sylar. If not, then what's the point of having the ablility to travel back and not be able to affect anything?

Hiro did come back and warned Peter, but he froze time also, if that makes any difference.

edit: (thejokell beat me to it :p)

The show's creator says he has a reason as to why he gets the scar and they all agreed it made sense.

My assumption is that perhaps he fights a hero that can cancel powers or something and that prevented the scar from ever healing. Or even more far fethced, maybe Hiro's sword has an ability built into it that it cancels power and Hiro slashed Peter and it couldn't heal.

Will be interesting to see how it goes.

I also think the sword has some importance beyond being just a weapon, otherwise, Hiro could have used any sword.
I think this is backed up by the fact that even though it is a sword from history, it has the 'Heroes' symbol on it. The same symbol that appears on Jessica's shoulder and in Papa Suresh's genetic computer code. I think it also shows up in some of Isaac's paintings.

All except that part. I still don't see how anyone with Ted's powers could protect himself from a nuclear explosion that he himself starts, with he himself at the epicenter. It's not remotely the same thing as the EMP/Bennet house fire incident. Whoever caused the explosion ought to have been vaporized along with everything else at ground zero.

Not to beat a dead horse on the Ted power topic but...
I think it's perfectly logical (in the context of the Heroes world) that Ted (or whoever is using the same power) is unharmed when he goes nuclear.

I mean, if he was affected by the nuclear energy what kind of crappy power would that be? You test it once to see how it works and your dead? :)

I said this once already and I'll say it again. I've got this real funny feeling that Peter's powers don't work exactly the way we think they do. Something is going on there that we don't know about yet.

I agree. I think Peter actually has ALL powers but needs others to show theirs to show him what's possible so he can recreate the effect.
I thought Invisiguy, Claude, implied something along those lines.

Not to beat a dead horse on the Ted power topic but...
I think it's perfectly logical (in the context of the Heroes world) that Ted (or whoever is using the same power) is unharmed when he goes nuclear.

I mean, if he was affected by the nuclear energy what kind of crappy power would that be? You test it once to see how it works and your dead? :)

It's funny that I don't have a problem with any of the other powers being impossible according to the natural laws of the universe we live in. So I guess it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect someone could be protected against being vaporized at ground zero of a nuclear explosion. But for some reason that one really bugs me. :p

I agree. I think Peter actually has ALL powers but needs others to show theirs to show him what's possible so he can recreate the effect.
I thought Invisiguy, Claude, implied something along those lines.
Hmmm. This could get interesting. Not sure why he would need to actually recreate the effect though, but I like the idea of it being symbiotic somehow.

Maybe his Hero genome has some kind of reciprocal effect with the other Heroes genomes that works to their mutual benefit. Has anyone noticed whether any other Heroes' power has gotten stronger after being in some proximity of Peter? That's probably not directly on the money, but I feel like we're hovering in the zone.

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why didn't peter's scar regenerate?

and do you think he absorbed nikki's power to be a skank.

why didn't peter's scar regenerate?

He keeps it as a badge of honor?

and do you think he absorbed nikki's power to be a skank.

Haha, and all along I thought her power was being a smokin' hottie!

-- David

"Not thinking?" That's classic. One of the most interesting, complexy written episodes of any show in recent memory and you criticize the writers for what may or may not be an error of artistic license because of what you perceive is a hard-and-fast rule of Claire's fanciful powers.

The answer to your question is YES..:rolleyes:

The "not thinking" also occurred when Mohinder left Sylar unconscious on the floor after hitting him with the chalkboard when "by past experience" he should have known to kill him the moment Sylar was knocked out.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the show. I just don’t see how they didn’t re-shoot those scenes after watching them in the cutting room floor. It would have made more sense if after Mohinder hits Sylar with the chalkboard. Then Sylar falls out the window and then runs away. However I wouldn’t see Sylar running away unless he felt he was in danger from Peter meaning Peter put up a better fight than the one they had or he was unable to cut him open because he could re-generate making it too difficult to do while he was conscious.

There are lots of little things the writers could have done better and I as a Big Fan have the right to call them out on so in-case they read this forum they can be more careful next season.

The "not thinking" also occurred when Mohinder left Sylar unconscious on the floor after hitting him with the chalkboard when "by past experience" he should have known to kill him the moment Sylar was knocked out.Mohinder doesn't seem to have killer instinct, so he didn't finish the job at a ripe opportunity (though weak and bloodied, he probably could've torched the place). He chose to look after an injured Pete instead. But after seeing some of the the awful acts that Sylar had commited, I personally wouldn't have a problem taking him out. Nor would future-Peter.

The answer to your question is YES..:rolleyes:

The "not thinking" also occurred when Mohinder left Sylar unconscious on the floor after hitting him with the chalkboard when "by past experience" he should have known to kill him the moment Sylar was knocked out.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the show. I just don’t see how they didn’t re-shoot those scenes after watching them in the cutting room floor. It would have made more sense if after Mohinder hits Sylar with the chalkboard. Then Sylar falls out the window and then runs away. However I wouldn’t see Sylar running away unless he felt he was in danger from Peter meaning Peter put up a better fight than the one they had or he was unable to cut him open because he could re-generate making it too difficult to do while he was conscious.

There are lots of little things the writers could have done better and I as a Big Fan have the right to call them out on so in-case they read this forum they can be more careful next season.

I assume you did not read Greg Beeman's blog last week? Basically, the true reason Mohinder took Sylar out with a chalkboard, and didn't go out the window, was budget cuts.

http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/2007/04/episode-19-07.html
"Several significant cuts were made, literally a day before shooting. First, we had a really great location for, what we called, “the bowels of Prima-Tech”, HRG’s company. It was a place where they’d built and tested jets with a lot of cool rooms for cells and corridors. We brought those scenes back to the existing cell that we’d built on stage for Sylar, and to the halls and corridors that surrounded our sets. Also, originally, HRG, Matt and Ted were going to have their dialogue scene (“wait a second, your middle management”) on the run, while stealing a car. We moved that back to the diner set we owned. There were also more beats of action in the Sylar/Peter fight, including that Sylar was pushed out a window by Suresh and fell several stories to the pavement.

At the end of the day I think most of these compromises have no negative impact on the show. Adam and the art department dealt with all the changes quite well. The only one that continues to perturb me is how Sylar is taken out. The world’s most fearsome villain, immediately after taking care of Peter, who has about 14 powers, gets knocked out by a chalkboard?!? Oh well."

Hiro already learned from his waitress girlfriend's death that you can't go back and change the past.
People keep saying this over and over. I think you are reading in way too much out of one example.

In this case a very inexperienced Hiro could not save her. Also, she was dying anyway. This does not mean that he can't change the past. It means that she died, perhaps differently than originally. Remember that there was a picture of Hiro in her "memorial" at the diner. That is certainly a change, though an insignificant one.

There is a major difference with Clair in the two timelines. In the future HRG knows where Claire is and has been orchestrating her moves. In the current timeline HRG does not know where Claire is. Of course he may have found out sometime in the intervening 5 years. It's not clear.

Anyway, you can't take one example and make it a rule.

I JUST FIGURED IT OUT! Man, it hit me like a brick.

The Haitian doesn't have two powers and yes he CAN block ALL heroes powers! Its so obvious now.

His ability is to impact memories, removing them, etc. his whole power is memory related. So all he is doing with his power is blocking the memory from the person on how to use the power, how to call it forth. If you can't remember how to call it forth, how it works, etc. you can't use it.

Not sure I agree with this. To clear memories, it always appears the Haitian has his hand on the victim's head. If he made them forget how to use their powers, they wouldn't try so hard to use them. When Mat was trying to read Bennett's mind several episodes ago (with the girl agent), he couldn't because the Haitian was around. The Haitian didn't know Mat was there. I find it odd that the Haitian has a power that can block ONLY a Hero's 'Powers' even when the Haitian doesn't know the Hero is around. I don't really have a hypothesis on it, but I can't accept this one....not yet anyway.

I think what Hiro learned from going back into time with Charley was that he couldn't directly change the past. I think he believes that if he directly interacts with the past all he'll do is screw things up more (I don't necessarily agree this is the way it should be, but I think this is the way it's preceived from Hiro's point of view). Based on that, I think Hiro has decided to try to influence the past without directly interacting with it (Save the Cheerleader, Save the world).

Not sure I agree with this. To clear memories, it always appears the Haitian has his hand on the victim's head. If he made them forget how to use their powers, they wouldn't try so hard to use them. When Mat was trying to read Bennett's mind several episodes ago (with the girl agent), he couldn't because the Haitian was around. The Haitian didn't know Mat was there. I find it odd that the Haitian has a power that can block ONLY a Hero's 'Powers' even when the Haitian doesn't know the Hero is around. I don't really have a hypothesis on it, but I can't accept this one....not yet anyway.

Looking at it to narrowly. His power is memory related, in general. So he can do multiple things. Like Hiro, his power can do multiple things around a central theme (i.e. he can time travel, he can teleport, he can reverse time, etc.) So the Haitian can do multiple things. Plus, how do we know they didn't know Matt was there? They could of seen him on surviellance, etc. Perhaps the Haitain can use his power in a broader sense, blocking the memories in a wide range or something.

Hey, that brings up another interesting question: If a person with powers that have been absorbed by Peter dies, can he still use that power? Obviously Sylar can, but what about Pete?

Why wouldn't he be able to use the power? Peter's DNA reconfigures itself to duplicate the power. Once he absorbs a hero's power, the DNA would always know how to do that, even if the person wasn't alive.

Why wouldn't he be able to use the power? Peter's DNA reconfigures itself to duplicate the power. Once he absorbs a hero's power, the DNA would always know how to do that, even if the person wasn't alive.

Well, that's certainly an interesting theory, but I don't recall that explanation being given either on the show or in the comics. Of course, it's quite silly to be debating stuff like this, but I don't think Peter has been called upon to use a power that comes from someone who has been killed. When that happens, we'll see.

If you go back and tell yourself to stay in bed then the self that goes back would cease to exist because once you stay in bed there is no reason to go back in time.


I think he is saying that from his point of view, time would still advance. Therefore "relative" to you or I as outside observers, time would still advance, so there would be in effect two of him. Its just that you or I as observers would only be able to detect one.


I think in Einsteinian physics this is why you can really never go backwards in time.

Well, that's certainly an interesting theory, but I don't recall that explanation being given either on the show or in the comics. Of course, it's quite silly to be debating stuff like this, but I don't think Peter has been called upon to use a power that comes from someone who has been killed. When that happens, we'll see.
Actually he has. In his fight with Sylar he was using Ted's power (at least that's how it appears, they were both using Ted's power). The only way Sylar would have it is if Ted were dead.

Also they both have a telekinetic ability, so that's another hero that Sylar killed but Peter was using that power.

Well, that's certainly an interesting theory, but I don't recall that explanation being given either on the show or in the comics. Of course, it's quite silly to be debating stuff like this, but I don't think Peter has been called upon to use a power that comes from someone who has been killed. When that happens, we'll see.

Yes, Mohindar explained it in detail. He clearly states that Peter's DNA re-writes itself so it can mimic the powers it comes in contact with. It was when Mohindar was trying to convince Nathan that he could help Peter, etc. So yes, Peter's DNA rewrites itself, thus, its re-written, no sense in have to have the other person around, the DNA already knows how to re-write itself.

Actually he has. In his fight with Sylar he was using Ted's power (at least that's how it appears, they were both using Ted's power). The only way Sylar would have it is if Ted were dead.

I thought the same thing too when I first saw the "showdown." I assumed that Sylar was burning bright (a Ted ability), but it wasn't until seeing a screenshot a few pages back that I noticed Sylar was forming ice instead.

Its been bothering me... why on earth did Sylar keep the Haitian around? As the "president" he could have had the Haitian knocked out and brought to him and taken his power at any point in the last five years.

Since this episode shows us that the Haitian can block Peter (Hiro mentioned it and Peter did not dispute it) this ability would have been invaluable to him as Peter is the only one (Shown so far) who could go toe to toe and overpower Sylar.

Other than perhaps Peters mimic ability no single ability would be as invaluable to him as the Haitians... and yet he just has the Haitian running around suppressing people who posed him no real threat.

I said this once already and I'll say it again. I've got this real funny feeling that Peter's powers don't work exactly the way we think they do. Something is going on there that we don't know about yet.
I agree. I think Peter actually has ALL powers but needs others to show theirs to show him what's possible so he can recreate the effect.
I thought Invisiguy, Claude, implied something along those lines.
Hmmm. This could get interesting. Not sure why he would need to actually recreate the effect though, but I like the idea of it being symbiotic somehow.
Maybe his Hero genome has some kind of reciprocal effect with the other Heroes genomes that works to their mutual benefit. Has anyone noticed whether any other Heroes' power has gotten stronger after being in some proximity of Peter? That's probably not directly on the money, but I feel like we're hovering in the zone.

Okay, this one is still bugging me. Kind of like when the parasite from Wrath of Kahn crawls into Chekhov’s ear. Let’s go back to your thought that Peter has ALL of the others’ powers. Unless we’re being intentionally misled by the show’s creative team, its been indicated that there is a very strong connection between Peter’s abilities and the other Heroes’ powers. The only other thing I can come up with is to invert the equation, i.e. if Peter’s not getting his powers from the other Heroes, than they must be getting their powers from him(??). Now how would something like that work? A powers generator?

Does that mean that everyone we’ve met so far with powers, has come into proximity with Peter at some point, but off-camera? Would he be able to grant them powers at a distance? This seems to fly in the face of what we have been told so far, and I think Papa Petrelli will have something to do with all this. Any other ideas out there?

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Peter, Sylar and to some extent, the Haitian are each the "Deus ex machina" of the show as long as there is some vagueness to their abilities. I wouldn't expect them to fully define their powers.

Okay, this one is still bugging me. Kind of like when the parasite from Wrath of Kahn crawls into Chekhov’s ear. Let’s go back to your thought that Peter has ALL of the others’ powers. Unless we’re being intentionally misled by the show’s creative team, its been indicated that there is a very strong connection between Peter’s abilities and the other Heroes’ powers. The only other thing I can come up with is to invert the equation, i.e. if Peter’s not getting his powers from the other Heroes, than they must be getting their powers from him(??). Now how would something like that work? A powers generator?

Does that mean that everyone we’ve met so far with powers, has come into proximity with Peter at some point, but off-camera? Would he be able to grant them powers at a distance? This seems to fly in the face of what we have been told so far, and I think Papa Petrelli will have something to do with all this. Any other ideas out there?

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I truly doubt that is the case as it really seems like Peter gains new powers when he is around a new hero, if not, he should be able to do them all, all the time.

Its been bothering me... why on earth did Sylar keep the Haitian around? As the "president" he could have had the Haitian knocked out and brought to him and taken his power at any point in the last five years.

Since this episode shows us that the Haitian can block Peter (Hiro mentioned it and Peter did not dispute it) this ability would have been invaluable to him as Peter is the only one (Shown so far) who could go toe to toe and overpower Sylar.

Other than perhaps Peters mimic ability no single ability would be as invaluable to him as the Haitians... and yet he just has the Haitian running around suppressing people who posed him no real threat.

Technically we don't really know that the Haitian can block Peter (I believe he can) but Hiro said we need to stop the Haitian, that could simply be referring to the fact that both of them where standing there and they were doing it together. They never said, we need to stop the Haitain because they block your powers Peter.

Don't know if this helps you or not, but I agree. Also, maybe Sylar was afraid of the Haitian that if he got close he couldn't do his powers or that maybe Sylar can only do one power at a time. So if he used the Haitian power, he couldn't do anything else. Soon as he switched to the another power to kill someone, the other person would have control of their power again. Just a thought.

I thought the same thing too when I first saw the "showdown." I assumed that Sylar was burning bright (a Ted ability), but it wasn't until seeing a screenshot a few pages back that I noticed Sylar was forming ice instead.

Other sites are posting that it was Peter using Ted's power for sure and that you could tell because of the battle and the sounds Peter's power where making and the effect. I have no idea, it was just cool whatever it was.

did anyone else notice that maybe sylar went to do something in the end only because the haitan was killed .... that way he can us his power...

Other sites are posting that it was Peter using Ted's power for sure and that you could tell because of the battle and the sounds Peter's power where making and the effect. I have no idea, it was just cool whatever it was.

I think the other sites are wrong.

Look at these two posts in this thread- 846 and 3749.

I think we can safely say he knows what they were trying to show. ;-)

The only other thing I can come up with is to invert the equation, i.e. if Peter’s not getting his powers from the other Heroes, than they must be getting their powers from him(??). Now how would something like that work? A powers generator?

Does that mean that everyone we’ve met so far with powers, has come into proximity with Peter at some point, but off-camera? Would he be able to grant them powers at a distance? This seems to fly in the face of what we have been told so far, and I think Papa Petrelli will have something to do with all this. Any other ideas out there?

This sounds ridiculous to me. I think the simplest explanation is the correct explanation. I think that Peter gets new powers from being in contact with other heroes. Now lets say that other hero gets in a terrible car accident on the way home from work and is now dead. Peter will still have the power! I doubt his powers are reliant whatsoever on whether or not the other heroes are still alive.

What I want to know is, since the Haitian can suppress powers, is Peter ever able to mimic the Haitians power? When Peter gets close to the Haitian, he loses all his powers, including the ability to learn powers. So it seems as though the Haitian has a built-in defense against Peter's power!

This sounds ridiculous to me. I think the simplest explanation is the correct explanation. I think that Peter gets new powers from being in contact with other heroes. Now lets say that other hero gets in a terrible car accident on the way home from work and is now dead. Peter will still have the power! I doubt his powers are reliant whatsoever on whether or not the other heroes are still alive.

What I want to know is, since the Haitian can suppress powers, is Peter ever able to mimic the Haitians power? When Peter gets close to the Haitian, he loses all his powers, including the ability to learn powers. So it seems as though the Haitian has a built-in defense against Peter's power!

Two things: One, the Haitian would have to concentrate and actively try to block Peter's power, if Peter came across teh Haitian when we was sleeping or doing something else, etc. he could absorb it. Two: if the Haitian's power is all about memory and he is supressing the ability of the person to call forth their power then Peter would absorb it. For example, the Haitian was blocking Matt's power when they had him captured, but when Peter really tried he got something. HRG even made a comment it was impressive. So perhaps this side effect of the Haitian's power is not perfectly able to completely stop a Hero from using their powers. And if the Haitian's power is indeed memory related only, then Peter is never trying to absorb another person's power, he doesn't think about it. His DNA automatically adpats itself when in the prescence, so I think it would adapt even if the Haitian was physically trying.

This sounds ridiculous to me. I think the simplest explanation is the correct explanation. I think that Peter gets new powers from being in contact with other heroes. Now lets say that other hero gets in a terrible car accident on the way home from work and is now dead. Peter will still have the power!
I'm just trying to see if UTV2TiVo's idea that Peter has ALL of the powers, is potentially reconcilable with what we think we know to date. Whether it is or not, I continue to believe that there is still a puzzle part missing.

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Two things: One, the Haitian would have to concentrate and actively try to block Peter's power, if Peter came across teh Haitian when we was sleeping or doing something else, etc. he could absorb it. Two: if the Haitian's power is all about memory and he is supressing the ability of the person to call forth their power then Peter would absorb it. For example, the Haitian was blocking Matt's power when they had him captured, but when Peter really tried he got something. HRG even made a comment it was impressive. So perhaps this side effect of the Haitian's power is not perfectly able to completely stop a Hero from using their powers. And if the Haitian's power is indeed memory related only, then Peter is never trying to absorb another person's power, he doesn't think about it. His DNA automatically adpats itself when in the prescence, so I think it would adapt even if the Haitian was physically trying.
First, we don't know if the Haitian needs to concentrate or not. It could simply be his presence, we don't know.

As for his power being only a memory blocker, that doesn't make any sense. Parkman still knew *how* to use his power, he just couldn't. It was only when concentrating hard (to the point of hurting himself) that he got through. If the Haitian was blocking his memory, he wouldn't even remember how to use the power in the first place.

First, we don't know if the Haitian needs to concentrate or not. It could simply be his presence, we don't know.
Evidence suggests that just the presence of the Haitian doesn't cancel powers. It seems that he has to do something to either turn it on/off or direct it somewhere.

Back when Haitian and Eden caught Sylar the first time, Eden was able to use her persuasion power on Sylar. So just the presence of the Haitian doesn't block powers. Either he has to turn it off or point it at someone.

There hasn't been any evidence suggesting that he can direct it at all.

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I agree that he has to concentrate, but in reality we don't know for sure how his power works at all. All we know is that sometimes he can block powers. ;)

Looks like there is already a planned release date for Season 1 on DVD (and HD-DVD). Right now, it is scheduled to come out August 28. I can't wait to pick this up, and to see what extras they come up with to put on it.

Source (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7257)

Looks like there is already a planned release date for Season 1 on DVD (and HD-DVD). Right now, it is scheduled to come out August 28. I can't wait to pick this up, and to see what extras they come up with to put on it.
Source (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7257)

FWIW, the one extra that I've read which will definitely be on there will be the original 72 minute pilot episode. :cool:

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First, we don't know if the Haitian needs to concentrate or not. It could simply be his presence, we don't know.

As for his power being only a memory blocker, that doesn't make any sense. Parkman still knew *how* to use his power, he just couldn't. It was only when concentrating hard (to the point of hurting himself) that he got through. If the Haitian was blocking his memory, he wouldn't even remember how to use the power in the first place.

Could be memory blocker in how to use the power, or it confuses the person, its more like a memory block. Remember, it seems like all these heroes are not that good at using their powers yet, perhaps he hasn't perfected it, and it causes someone to find it hard to access the power (i.e. you try but it doesn't work for some reason). You know you have it, just hard to get it to work. Perhaps the Haitian is not that good with his power just like everyone else. When Matt concentrated really hard and kept trying he override the Haitians power to block so obviously its doing some kind of blocking, which eludes to he is blocking you from accessing that memory some how.

I have a feeling we will never know for sure, I don't think the creators will keep the Haitian around that long. If they have to kill of heroes, he might be a good one because he isn't pivotal to the story.

Regarding the concerns about Hiro & time travel, As far as the time travel effects are concerned, a show can take any of the 3 main ways to "look" at how time travel will affect the past/present & I wonder how this show will handle them:

A) Single rigid Timeline - With this idea, If someone goes back & kills Hitler on May 1 1935, He therefore "changes" history .. when you go back to your present, WWII never happened, People killed in the war actually lived instead & had kids, ect .. You may even cease to exist, your parents may have never met or never been born!

B) Single "flowing" Timline - Someone goes back in time to May 1 1935 , for 6 hrs & kills Hitler while there. Since each minute of 1935 flows & "equals" one minute in 2007, the change is on the same timeline, but will never "catch up" to 2007, (when the changes hit May 2, 1935 it will be May 2 2007, & when the changes have been a around for a year to 1936, the present will have moved on up to 2008, thus the change happened but never "catches up") , In 10 years, A time traveler in 2017 could visit 1935 thru 1945 & see Hitler was killed, but if he traveled to 1946 & up, he would arrive where Hitler had never been killed yet.

C) - New Timeline - Killing Hitler in 1935 causes a "new" timeline that branches off from that point. The original timeline remains unchanged, & there is also a new line starting from the change point & going off in a new direction with it's own new history & events.. Think of a horizontal line becomming a Captital letter "T" The top line is the original timeline, the bottom vertical line starts on May 1 1935 & continues down it's own path, not effecting anyone on the original line.

Good TV shows & movies tend to stick with 1 concept & stick with it for consistancy, while others jump between different conceps of time in the same plot, & cause inconsistancies & things that don't make sense to the viewer
("How come in episode "X" he was able to chage the present, but in episode "Y" the same things had no effect ") ...
We'll see how Heros takes this on ....

You guys do realize that you think more about this show then the writers do ;) Its a simple fact that there will be holes in this show. I can't believe so many theories exist, character details that go way out there and so on. People get caught up in details making too many asumptions. Shows like this have a cult following but at some point the writers will sadly "kill it" somehow. New writers, old writers bored with it and so on.

Just enjoy it will it lasts and if someone's "head hurts" from over thinking a TV show then maybe its time to enjoy the sunshine a little more ;)

I'm a fan of time-travel tales and movies, but this series is a mess. I no longer care about any of the characters, either. What a disappointment it has become.

I'm a fan of time-travel tales and movies, but this series is a mess. I no longer care about any of the characters, either. What a disappointment it has become.
Hahaha. Right. This show has only gotten better from the start.


But you're right, and I'm sure the other people in this thread would agree with you.

I am HDMe over on DBSTalk, but looks like someone else beat me to that moniker over here... I've been a reader for a while, but decided to jump in on the Heroes thread.

Some things could be simpler than folks may realize... One very simple and possible solution to the time-travel problem could be... Hiro hasn't changed anything significant yet.

He thought Claire died, and he thought saving her would stop the explosion... but perhaps he was wrong on one or both accounts. IF so, then going back into the past didn't change anything in any meaningful way to the future... so when he goes back to the future nothing has changed and he has all of his memories.

What we haven't seen is in-depth analysis of how others were affected by his changes because we never saw the "original" future prior to the pilot episode.

Another "out" is a variation on time-travel theories some writers adopt... That being the future is not-written yet so you can change it... but you can't change the past. So Hiro goes to the past and changes something, but other events change accordingly and recreate the same eventual future.

But Hiro going to the future, then returning with new information... he can change his own future. IF he changes his future then the other Hiro and that future cease to exist and we don't see it again.

Same for Hiro going back to the past... if he changed something significant, then he would cease to exist at that moment.

Just one possible theory of course... and it hinges upon the fact that the bomb has not yet been prevented, so technically Hiro hasn't changed anything. IF the bomb is prevented, then we find out if the future is different.. but not really until then.

Another theory about Peter vs Sylar in terms of how their abilities work. Sylar has the power to figure out how powers work and then apparently he can manually adapt himself accordingly. Peter, however, seems to automatically reconfigure himself to new abilities but has no clue how that is happening.

I am inclined to think that Sylar's power requires the brute-force method, and helped to crazy him up in the process... but the result is that he is able to adapt more quickly to the new powers than Peter. I also believe that Sylar has no abilities except those which he has killed to acquire, aside from his own natural one of course.

Peter, on the other hand... I think perhaps he has the capability for all possible powers right now. The catch is that he doesn't know how any of them work or how to control them. When he is near someone with a "new" power or sees a new power at work, he then instinctively mimics that power... but he always had the potential, he just doesn't know how to configure himself.

Sylar, in my opinion, has the potential to start "guessing" at configurations at some point. Think about how he was fixing timepieces... after some point of fixing different ones over and over, he would develop the skill to create a new timepiece that had not been seen before. I believe Sylar, if left unchecked, will eventually and inevitably stumble upon the code himself and thus be able to manifest any power he can dream up.

Peter, however, technically has all the power capabilities already... but lacking the understanding of how things work he is not able to call new powers forth until he sees someone else do it. Peter gets better with his powers with practice, but at no point becomes more likely to learn a new power than the one before because he gains no relevant experience to help him in that way.

I also have a contradictory theory... which works in a different way... IF Peter doesn't have all the abilities, but rather does need to acquire them as Sylar does... then it is possible that Peter did not have the ability to mimic multiple powers until he faced Sylar that first time. In the beginning Peter only had flight when with Nathan, but after Sylar was able to manifest powers when alone. It is possible that he attained Sylar's ability to "understand" and that is what allowed him to retain powers from that point forward.

Two somewhat competing Peter theories... but I could go with either of them.

Now to end my lengthy first forum post! Thanks for listening.

Hahaha. Right. This show has only gotten better from the start.


But you're right, and I'm sure the other people in this thread would agree with you.You forgot to add......:rolleyes: this!




It is possible that he attained Sylar's ability to "understand" and that is what allowed him to retain powers from that point forward. <Spock voice> "Fascinating". </Spock off>

They said he can only heal others.
When he was in the kitchen with linderman and had the gun pointed at him, wasn't his quote, something to the effect of if you kill me, you kill us both???

I'm a fan of time-travel tales and movies, but this series is a mess. I no longer care about any of the characters, either. What a disappointment it has become.


i've got to say i'm having a really hard time getting motivated to keep up with it myself. i'm tempted to leave this one to the "comic book guy" types and reclaim my monday nights...

They already used the Haitian's power to capture Sylar the first time. The rest of the time they don't know where Sylar is.

I would guess that the Haitian's power trumps Peter's absorbing power. Peter only came in last night after the Haitian was out of commission.


But if Peter absorbs others powers by simply being in the room with the other person, doesn't he now have the Haitians powers?

i've got to say i'm having a really hard time getting motivated to keep up with it myself. i'm tempted to leave this one to the "comic book guy" types and reclaim my monday nights...Buh bye. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out of the group.

I also have a contradictory theory... which works in a different way... IF Peter doesn't have all the abilities, but rather does need to acquire them as Sylar does... then it is possible that Peter did not have the ability to mimic multiple powers until he faced Sylar that first time. In the beginning Peter only had flight when with Nathan, but after Sylar was able to manifest powers when alone. It is possible that he attained Sylar's ability to "understand" and that is what allowed him to retain powers from that point forward.
I like this theory. Its just a theory, and the writers probably aren't going that route, but it currently fits with everything we know. It was always odd to me that on the rooftop that time with Claude, when Peter uses telekinesis, he attributes that power to Sylar when that's not even Sylar's original power.

It was always odd to me that on the rooftop that time with Claude, when Peter uses telekinesis, he attributes that power to Sylar when that's not even Sylar's original power.

That is a potential flaw in Peter's association of his powers to particular people. It works when each person he encounters only has one power... but when facing someone like Sylar, how would he differentiate between multiple powers acquired from him?

Actually... when I think about it... this makes for an excellent catalyst to Peter becoming the bomb.

Just a wild theory I formulated right now during this reply... but if Peter has mentally associated telekinesis with Sylar, but Sylar is nearby and using another power (say Ted's for instance) this could be how Peter might accidentally go nuclear as he would be channelling Sylar and not realizing it.

Again, the key flaw being Peter associating people with the powers he has... it could render him unable to control another power from Sylar. When you think about it, during both of his face-to-face encounters with Sylar in the current timeline, both times Sylar has just been using telekinesis.

i've got to say i'm having a really hard time getting motivated to keep up with it myself. i'm tempted to leave this one to the "comic book guy" types and reclaim my monday nights...

Yeah, I'm with you. Now that we have about 80 story-lines, slipping forward and backwards in time, occasional subtitles and subplots... this thing wears me out to watch. It's too much of a chore for me. Can barely follow what's happening now, and I've watched every episode.

Looks like these guys are really invested, though. Good for them. Of course, they'll be waiting in line to get tickets to Spiderman 3, and I'll be waiting for the DVD release.

It started out fun for me, but quickly became what I hoped it wouldn't.

But if Peter absorbs others powers by simply being in the room with the other person, doesn't he now have the Haitians powers?

Yes he would.

That is a potential flaw in Peter's association of his powers to particular people. It works when each person he encounters only has one power... but when facing someone like Sylar, how would he differentiate between multiple powers acquired from him?

The shows creator already verified that Peter absorbed ALL of Sylar's powers. The thing is, Peter doesn't know he has them until he sees someone using it. Its there, in him, he could do it, but he doesn't know all the powers he has. He could walk by someone on the street that has a power and he would gain it, but since he never saw the person do something, he would never know he gained it, unless he accidently called it forth (kind of like when he realized he had telekinesis from Sylar).

But if Peter absorbs others powers by simply being in the room with the other person, doesn't he now have the Haitians powers?
Has Peter ever been in the vacinity of the Haitian? How close does he need to be to the other "hero"?

In Peter's first battle with Sylar, he gains the TK power, as evidenced by the flying locker doors. I don't recall how close (physically) Peter got to Sylar. May have been about 20 feet.

Also, Peter gets the time stopping power from Future Hiro in the Subway. When Peter first realizes that time had stopped, Hiro was at the other end of the train. That was about 25 feet or so.

I think the first time Peter was near the Haitian was at the Police Station in Texas. Not sure if the Haitain was ever within 25 feet of Peter. Maybe since the Haitian was working for Mother Petrelli, he knew what Peter's powers were and knew enough to keep away.

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Has Peter ever been in the vacinity of the Haitian? How close does he need to be to the other "hero"?

In Peter's first battle with Sylar, he gains the TK power, as evidenced by the flying locker doors. I don't recall how close (physically) Peter got to Sylar. May have been about 20 feet.

Also, Peter gets the time stopping power from Future Hiro in the Subway. When Peter first realizes that time had stopped, Hiro was at the other end of the train. That was about 25 feet or so.

I think the first time Peter was near the Haitian was at the Police Station in Texas. Not sure if the Haitain was ever within 25 feet of Peter. Maybe since the Haitian was working for Mother Petrelli, he knew what Peter's powers were and knew enough to keep away.

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He was touching Sylar when they fell off the ledge during their first battle/encounter.

I too wonder how close he needs to be to gain powers.

He was touching Sylar when they fell off the ledge during their first battle/encounter.

I too wonder how close he needs to be to gain powers.
Yes, but that happened after Peter used the TK powers in the hallway. The scene that I'm referring to was after Claire gets away in the locker room, Peter is in the hallway and Sylar is after Claire. Sylar TKs a few trash cans??? at Peter and Peter defends himself by TKing the locker doors.

At that point, Sylar was no closer than about 25 feet.

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Yes, but that happened after Peter used the TK powers in the hallway. The scene that I'm referring to was after Claire gets away in the locker room, Peter is in the hallway and Sylar is after Claire. Sylar TKs a few trash cans??? at Peter and Peter defends himself by TKing the locker doors.

At that point, Sylar was no closer than about 25 feet.
Sylar and Peter both tumbled off the building and landed on top of each other. That closes the gap from 25 feet to Zero feet.

Plus, we still don't know how Sylar survived that fall. Or how he jumped super-high when running from Parkman and the FBI chick (where did she go? She was semi-regular at the begining.) Or why he's no longer wearing a ballcap all the time covered over half his face, like he did in the first 11 episodes! Hahaha.

As I was rethinking the last episode, I realized there was kind of a glaring hole... the illusion. How the heck is the illusion ability strong enough to have fooled the tv viewing audience? Millions, if not billions of people watching? Seriously, that was just a bad oversight.

Yes, but that happened after Peter used the TK powers in the hallway. The scene that I'm referring to was after Claire gets away in the locker room, Peter is in the hallway and Sylar is after Claire. Sylar TKs a few trash cans??? at Peter and Peter defends himself by TKing the locker doors.

At that point, Sylar was no closer than about 25 feet.

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I don't think Peter controlled the lockers, I always felt it was Sylar throwing them at him, Peter looked to be protecting himself, like they where going to hit him, he was scared of them.

As I was rethinking the last episode, I realized there was kind of a glaring hole... the illusion. How the heck is the illusion ability strong enough to have fooled the tv viewing audience? Millions, if not billions of people watching? Seriously, that was just a bad oversight.

Excellent point. You are right, how the heck did that work? Hmmm, oh well, I doubt the writers care, I don't think they analyze the show as much as we do. :D

Sylar and Peter both tumbled off the building and landed on top of each other. That closes the gap from 25 feet to Zero feet.

Plus, we still don't know how Sylar survived that fall. Or how he jumped super-high when running from Parkman and the FBI chick (where did she go? She was semi-regular at the begining.) Or why he's no longer wearing a ballcap all the time covered over half his face, like he did in the first 11 episodes! Hahaha.

Since he has TK, couldn't he lessen his own fall and fall slower? Couldn't he just TK himself up and out (not flying, just straight up), just like he throws people around?

As I was rethinking the last episode, I realized there was kind of a glaring hole... the illusion. How the heck is the illusion ability strong enough to have fooled the tv viewing audience? Millions, if not billions of people watching? Seriously, that was just a bad oversight.

He didn't have to fool billions... he just needed to fool the television cameras. The rest was easy... people just believe anything they see on TV.

At any rate, there hasn't been much detail or elaboration given on the nature of this power, so there's no reason to think it shouldn't work on television cameras.

He didn't have to fool billions... he just needed to fool the television cameras. The rest was easy... people just believe anything they see on TV.

At any rate, there hasn't been much detail or elaboration given on the nature of this power, so there's no reason to think it shouldn't work on television cameras.
Agreed. Some people here are assuming the illusion power has a single mechanism, and that it must be directed to the mind of the viewer. That's not necessarily the case. For all we know, the illusion power stems from an ability to bend light waves and create a 'living' image that flows with the movement of the one casting the illusions. Doesn't matter how many people are watching it under those circumstances.

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Sorry, bending light waves doesn't cut it because the illusion also covers SOUND. If it was just an optical thing then sure, but it's not. The implication becomes that it is either true shape shifting (which I think we've pretty well ruled out) or mental manipulation. And if it's the latter, then that was just an ugly hole ;)

Or maybe it works in a way that you just don't understand. ;)

Sorry, bending light waves doesn't cut it because the illusion also covers SOUND. If it was just an optical thing then sure, but it's not. The implication becomes that it is either true shape shifting (which I think we've pretty well ruled out) or mental manipulation. And if it's the latter, then that was just an ugly hole ;)
So let me just make sure I understand you here. You're more than willing to accept the notion that he can mentally create sound, but not physically create sound the way everything else in the world does? :eek:

Okaaaaaay. :rolleyes: Waitress! Check please! :p

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Yes, I am. Bending light to create illusion is one thing, and in fact can already be done. See the "invisible man" cloak that the Japanese developed. Pretty cool stuff. But to be able to reproduce sound would require physical changes to the throat :)

The fact is this is a cool show, and I try not to nitpick. But this particular episode, as cool as it was, had a million and one holes in it. I'll cut them some slack since it wasn't intended to be one of the original episodes, but they could have done a little better to cover the inconsistencies. I'll say it again... Parkman would have known who the president was....

The fact is this is a cool show, and I try not to nitpick. But this particular episode, as cool as it was, had a million and one holes in it. I'll cut them some slack since it wasn't intended to be one of the original episodes, but they could have done a little better to cover the inconsistencies. I'll say it again... Parkman would have known who the president was....

Yep, Parkman and the Haitian too; both of 'em would have known, not to mention Nathan's wife and his mother! Just one of the many inconsistencies and implausibilities (I'm not including impossibilities, since that's part of the deal) you have to overlook to enjoy this show. There are a bunch of 'em....

Yes, I am. Bending light to create illusion is one thing, and in fact can already be done. See the "invisible man" cloak that the Japanese developed. Pretty cool stuff. But to be able to reproduce sound would require physical changes to the throat :)
Ahh. So, whoever was imitating the President would have needed special vocal powers in his throat....kind of like Eden had. But the only one who was around when Eden died was Sylar, and of course, he couldn't have.....Wait a second.....:p

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Yep, Parkman and the Haitian too; both of 'em would have known, not to mention Nathan's wife and his mother! Just one of the many inconsistencies and implausibilities (I'm not including impossibilities, since that's part of the deal) you have to overlook to enjoy this show. There are a bunch of 'em....
I'm not disagreeing as to the existing inconsistencies, etc., but if Sylar possessed Eden's vocal powers (and we still do not know the full range of her abilities), I don't see why Nathan's family would necessarily be immune.

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But of course he DOESN'T have Eden's powers ;)

I'm not disagreeing as to the existing inconsistencies, etc., but if Sylar possessed Eden's vocal powers (and we still do not know the full range of her abilities), I don't see why Nathan's family would necessarily be immune.



Well, we still don't know what power his mother has, but you know, a mom just knows her kids. I mean, Sylar just radiates evil. Would have been awfully tough to fool those two women for years; and there's no way he would have had all of Nathan's background history to keep the story up. They woulda' figured it out before long.

But of course he DOESN'T have Eden's powers ;)
Says who? Did you miss the episodes where it sounds like he's been taking elocution lessons from Linda Blair - "Father Damian, your mother..." :D . And speaking of mothers....
Well, we still don't know what power his mother has, but you know, a mom just knows her kids...
Oh no, You're not going to get me to attack motherhood here with Mother's Day like a week away. But it was pretty clear that mom always liked Peter best. ;)

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And speaking of mothers....

Oh no, You're not going to get me to attack motherhood here with Mother's Day like a week away. But it was pretty clear that mom always liked Peter best. ;)



LOL! :D

Yes, I am. Bending light to create illusion is one thing, and in fact can already be done. See the "invisible man" cloak that the Japanese developed. Pretty cool stuff. But to be able to reproduce sound would require physical changes to the throat :)

The fact is this is a cool show, and I try not to nitpick. But this particular episode, as cool as it was, had a million and one holes in it. I'll cut them some slack since it wasn't intended to be one of the original episodes, but they could have done a little better to cover the inconsistencies. I'll say it again... Parkman would have known who the president was....

Well changing the voice could also be about manipulating sound waves. I can see your point, but with this show I definitely am going to cut them some slack, and if I can latch onto even the flimsiest of rationalizations I will. For example with Parkman, perhaps Sylar was careful not to meet up with him face to face. After all, even the real President would be hesitant to meet up with a guy who can read thoughts, especially if he has something to hide. The next question would be, why isn't Sylar tempted to procure Parkman's abilities for himself? Well, I guess he found it useful to have a seperate person with that ability doing his dirty work (same with the Hatiain).

Not that I'd try to overlook everything... but for the most part with a show of this kind I don't want to scrutinize the powers too much. I mean look at the wireless character... a character who can connect to the internet... with her mind! If she was born 30 years earlier it'd be pretty useless.... good thing Al Gore invented the internet, because otherwise it would be pretty useless to have the ability to connect to it encoded into our DNA! (see how it goes?)

Also, it's possible Sylar killed a different "hero" that had true shapeshifting abilities. There's a 5 year gap in our knowledge where anything could've happened.

Not that I'd try to overlook everything... but for the most part with a show of this kind I don't want to scrutinize the powers too much. I mean look at the wireless character... a character who can connect to the internet... with her mind! If she was born 30 years earlier it'd be pretty useless.... good thing Al Gore invented the internet, because otherwise it would be pretty useless to have the ability to connect to it encoded into our DNA! (see how it goes?)

Yeah, Hanna is probably the one with the oddest "power", the one most completely at odds with reality (man, I feel really silly writing that). Not only would she have to be able to "tap-in" to the electromagnetic spectrum surrounding her; she would have to be able to locate the data that interests her and filter everything else out. It really doesn't make a lot of sense. :rolleyes:

And you do know that Gore never said he "invented the Internet", don't you? (Hasn't that one about run its course by now?) And that he was in part responsible for legislation that facilitated the development of technology that became the backbone of the Internet, right? As a public service, I offer this explanation (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp) of what he really said. :)

Says who? Did you miss the episodes where it sounds like he's been taking elocution lessons from Linda Blair - "Father Damian, your mother..." :D .

The show already said so. Well, in interviews. They clearly said she blew her brains out so Sylar couldn't get her powers. Plus, he has never used it to make someone do something. Sylar has always switched to that "evil voice" when doing that stuff. Eden's power caused people to almost blank out, and do it zombie like. Sylar has yet to make anyone do anything by saying those lines. I think its safe to assume he doesn't have them.

Yeah, Hanna is probably the one with the oddest "power", the one most completely at odds with reality (man, I feel really silly writing that). Not only would she have to be able to "tap-in" to the electromagnetic spectrum surrounding her; she would have to be able to locate the data that interests her and filter everything else out. It really doesn't make a lot of sense. :rolleyes:

And you do know that Gore never said he "invented the Internet", don't you? (Hasn't that one about run its course by now?) And that he was in part responsible for legislation that facilitated the development of technology that became the backbone of the Internet, right? As a public service, I offer this explanation (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp) of what he really said. :)

I read what you linked. He clearly didn't say invent. You are right, he clearly states he created the Internet. Good catch. :)

The show already said so. Well, in interviews. They clearly said she blew her brains out so Sylar couldn't get her powers.
Actually, I don't read interviews that often, all I remember is a couple of people on this thread speculating that was the reason she blew her brains out. Gotta link by any chance?

Eden's power caused people to almost blank out, and do it zombie like.
No, that's the way Parkman always reacts whenever anyone mentions donuts. :p Besides are you going to tell me you'd respond to Eden the same way you'd respond to Sylar? ;)

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Also, it's possible Sylar killed a different "hero" that had true shapeshifting abilities. There's a 5 year gap in our knowledge where anything could've happened.Exactly. Why are people still nitpicking over a potential future that hasn't actually happened (has it?). Alliances/allegences may have changed/occured; anything could have happened in those skipped-over years.

I have lost interest in Heroes!! Which I can't believe this is happening.. since I was a huge fan of this show when it started. When the show came back from hiatus(which was a huge mistake).. I really wasn't excited to watch the return of the show. I lost interest in the story(which is silly now), and the characters.

Oh well...

The show already said so. Well, in interviews. They clearly said she blew her brains out so Sylar couldn't get her powers. Plus, he has never used it to make someone do something.

This power would pretty much render everything else Sylar has done since then as monumentally stupid. Why go through the machinations of pretending to be another guy when Mohinder shows up? He could just tell Mohinder to do what he wants and give him the data.

If we know anything about Sylar, from the flashback to how he acquired his first extra power... we know he is a smart guy. Twisted and psychotic, but smart... which is why I still like one of my conspiracy theories, especially ties into why he was willing to kill off everyone with powers in that future episode.

I think Sylar is smart enough that if he is not killed soon, he will eventually figure out the pattern to how each power works and no longer have to track down and kill people to add new powers. At some point he will acquire enough powers that he can interpolate the data for the rest and then he will have all the powers without need for killing to get them.

And you do know that Gore never said he "invented the Internet", don't you? (Hasn't that one about run its course by now?) And that he was in part responsible for legislation that facilitated the development of technology that became the backbone of the Internet, right? As a public service, I offer this explanation (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp) of what he really said. :)

It was just a throw away comment, I had to mention the creation of the internet and it was just staring me in the face. Didn't intent to open up a political debate. :D

It was just a throw away comment, I had to mention the creation of the internet and it was just staring me in the face. Didn't intent to open up a political debate. :D

Nah, no debate. Gore's got a good sense of humor about it, fortunately. But it's amazing how many people still think he said that.

This power would pretty much render everything else Sylar has done since then as monumentally stupid. Why go through the machinations of pretending to be another guy when Mohinder shows up? He could just tell Mohinder to do what he wants and give him the data.

If we know anything about Sylar, from the flashback to how he acquired his first extra power... we know he is a smart guy. Twisted and psychotic, but smart... which is why I still like one of my conspiracy theories, especially ties into why he was willing to kill off everyone with powers in that future episode.

I think Sylar is smart enough that if he is not killed soon, he will eventually figure out the pattern to how each power works and no longer have to track down and kill people to add new powers. At some point he will acquire enough powers that he can interpolate the data for the rest and then he will have all the powers without need for killing to get them.

That is one of the big reasons I hope they kill of Sylar. Awesome villian, great run, but it better not drag on season after season, they need to kill him off permenantly and move on.

Somehow I doubt he's going to die this season. My guess is he will be defeated, but will return next year.

Somehow I doubt he's going to die this season. My guess is he will be defeated, but will return next year.
I agree. They've invested too much time in developing Sylar and he is the only true villian in the series (the jury's still out on just how evil The Company is, particularly as H.R.G. has developed into the good guy I always figured him to be).

Sylar was pretty much a solo act this year, so they can easily keep him going next year as the leader of a 'team' of super villians engaging in X-men type battles with our Heroes.

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Sylar was pretty much a solo act this year, so they can easily keep him going next year as the leader of a 'team' of super villians engaging in X-men type battles with our Heroes.

Once Sylar "comes out of the closet" I'm sure he won't have any problems finding some friends. Now if he can just resist cutting into their skulls... :eek:

They just need to find a way (Mohinder? drugs?) to "fix" Sylars ability at it's current state (before he gains mimicry) so that he can't add any more. That would still leave him as a powerfull enemy but not invincible.

I think Sylar is smart enough that if he is not killed soon, he will eventually figure out the pattern to how each power works and no longer have to track down and kill people to add new powers. At some point he will acquire enough powers that he can interpolate the data for the rest and then he will have all the powers without need for killing to get them.

So what has he been doing the past 5 years? Has he been so busy attending to presidential duties since New York blew up that he hasn't been able to concentrate on "powers"?

I am bothered by the theory that Sylar has been using Nathan's form for 5 years, posing as the president. Even if he hasn't been Nathan that whole time, it seems he hasn't made any progress toward whatever goals he has. In the real-time events we see on-screen, Sylar seems to have a timetable that is fast track for acquiring new powers and defeating those who bring them to him. Has he been on a 5 year vacation or off figuring out "the pattern to how each power works"? :confused:

So what has he been doing the past 5 years? Has he been so busy attending to presidential duties since New York blew up that he hasn't been able to concentrate on "powers"?

I am bothered by the theory that Sylar has been using Nathan's form for 5 years, posing as the president. Even if he hasn't been Nathan that whole time, it seems he hasn't made any progress toward whatever goals he has. In the real-time events we see on-screen, Sylar seems to have a timetable that is fast track for acquiring new powers and defeating those who bring them to him. Has he been on a 5 year vacation or off figuring out "the pattern to how each power works"? :confused:

I'm not sure we know how long "Nathan" was president. In the current timeline, Nathan is running for office (not President's office) and is elected I believe the day before the bomb goes off. Supposedly this calls attention to the folks with powers in the world, and Nathan, with help from Linderman we presume, uses that to springboard a presidential campaign.

It is entirely possible that the future 5 years from now is a Nathan who is just in his 1st year of the presidency. It's also not clear how long Sylar was acting as Nathan. Presumably Nathan ran and won the election... and soon thereafter was replaced by Sylar.

Also evident is that Sylar has calmed down a bit in 5 years... not jumping to cut everyone's head off and see what's inside all the time... he made an exception for Claire apparently for old times sake... but it seems like future Sylar is more into planning. The current psycho-Sylar would try and take out people himself as a first option... not try and have Mohinder kill them off for him under the guise of a "cure" being administered.

Perhaps crazy Sylar is a good thing for the world... because he makes mistakes and gets caught and thinks only for the moment. The worst thing that could happen is he gets more sane and uses more of his smarts to go with his powers.

They just need to find a way (Mohinder? drugs?) to "fix" Sylars ability at it's current state (before he gains mimicry) so that he can't add any more. That would still leave him as a powerfull enemy but not invincible.

The company didn't seem to want Sylar dead... not sure if that was because they wanted to see what made him tick OR because they had plans for him... otherwise it would seem like they could have had the Haitian go deep inside him and make him forget the last year so he wouldn't know he had any powers.

Even if he hasn't been Nathan that whole time, it seems he hasn't made any progress toward whatever goals he has. In the real-time events we see on-screen, Sylar seems to have a timetable that is fast track for acquiring new powers and defeating those who bring them to him. Has he been on a 5 year vacation or off figuring out "the pattern to how each power works"? :confused:
Well, he's created a world where the heroes are forced to hide and are possibly lynched just because of who they are. Can't believe a few didn't 'fall' his way.

Actually he has. In his fight with Sylar he was using Ted's power (at least that's how it appears, they were both using Ted's power). The only way Sylar would have it is if Ted were dead.

Also they both have a telekinetic ability, so that's another hero that Sylar killed but Peter was using that power.


No, Peter didn't absorb the telekinetic power from anyone OTHER than Sylar. If Sylar didn't have that ability, Peter wouldn't either, because he never came into contact with the guy who had telekinesis originally, living or dead. And if Sylar had Ted's power, Peter could easily have absorbed it from Sylar as well. Or he might have absorbed Ted's power before Ted was killed by Sylar. He could have had the power before Sylar obtained it.

As for Parkman not detecting Nathan is a fake, it could be as simple as he never questioned who he was working for. He doesn't know Nathan well enough to question anything Nathan/Sylar does. If he didn't have control over his powers he would probably have detected Nathan as a fake, but the irony is he DOES have great control over his powers in the future which prevents him from picking up on things he needs to know unless he consciously decides he needs to know them.

And Nathan's wife and kids could have been knocked off by Sylar, simply through engineering a few "accidents" to get them out of the way. The house was empty when Sylar/Nathan met Claire, so I presume something happened to them, along with the mother.

........The current psycho-Sylar would try and take out people himself as a first option... not try and have Mohinder kill them off for him under the guise of a "cure" being administered.



That brings up a good question: What was up with Mohinder in this future scenario? He's now gone from trying to identify "special" people with a desire to help them to a willing participant in what amounts to genocide? C'mon. What happened to this guy? Is this just....dare I say it.... bad writing? [ducks]

And Nathan's wife and kids could have been knocked off by Sylar, simply through engineering a few "accidents" to get them out of the way. The house was empty when Sylar/Nathan met Claire, so I presume something happened to them, along with the mother.

Uh huh. So, I guess, maybe, stuff like school and shopping are out of the question? ;)

No, Peter didn't absorb the telekinetic power from anyone OTHER than Sylar. If Sylar didn't have that ability, Peter wouldn't either, because he never came into contact with the guy who had telekinesis originally, living or dead.
You have no way of knowing that for sure. There are enough gaps in the story that it could be either way.

You have no way of knowing that for sure. There are enough gaps in the story that it could be either way.

Peter meeting the original person with telekinesis would have been coincidental beyond belief since they had no connection whatsoever, thus no reason for their paths to cross. It would have been such a fantastic occurence, in fact, that it would surely have been woven into the plot at some point previously. Sorry, objection denied. ;)

Nah, no debate. Gore's got a good sense of humor about it, fortunately. But it's amazing how many people still think he said that.

Gosh, don't you think Al Gore took credit for "creating the internet?" It sure sounds like it from reading the quote.

Gosh, don't you think Al Gore took credit for "creating the internet?" It sure sounds like it from reading the quote.

Read it again. An unbiased observer might call it "puffery (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/puffery) ", and if every politician guilty of that crime were prosecuted, there would be mighty few of 'em left standing. ;) Al Gore likes technology, gadgets and stuff, just like most of us here. He can be a bit nerdy, just like some of us as well. His interest in technology, and the willingness to push legislation that favored the creation of it, certainly had something to do with the creation of the infrastructural backbone that became the Internet. Let's not condemn him for the crime of puffery, shall we? It got him plenty bloodied during the '00 campaign, but that was a long time ago. And let's not get too off-track or you know what the consequences will be; no need for further discussion on this off-topic topic. Back to the far more entertaining and relevant subject of superheroes, please...

Read it again. An unbiased observer might call it "puffery (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/puffery) ", and if every politician guilty of that crime were prosecuted, there would be mighty few of 'em left standing. ;) Al Gore likes technology, gadgets and stuff, just like most of us here. He can be a bit nerdy, just like some of us as well. His interest in technology, and the willingness to push legislation that favored the creation of it, certainly had something to do with the creation of the infrastructural backbone that became the Internet. Let's not condemn him for the crime of puffery, shall we? It got him plenty bloodied during the '00 campaign, but that was a long time ago. And let's not get too off-track or you know what the consequences will be; no need for further discussion on this off-topic topic. Back to the far more entertaining and relevant subject of superheroes, please...

It's just that I sort of think of Al Gore as a superhero, anyway. You know, ....... streaking through the sky in his chartered corporate jets. Kind of a heavyset Nathan.

It's just that I sort of think of Al Gore as a superhero, anyway. You know, ....... streaking through the sky in his chartered corporate jets. Kind of a heavyset Nathan.

Great. Last word; good for you. Now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion... :rolleyes:

How 'bout that Mohinder? Anybody else bothered by his startling transformation from powerless but well-meaning hero to willing dupe for Sylar in offing people with powers? And why, if he was once able, 5 years ago, to spot Sylar's personality and lead him on for awhile, has he lost that perception when Sylar impersonates Nathan? Inconsistencies in character? I'd say so (and that's why 'Heroes' isn't 'Lost'. ;) )

Great. Last word; good for you. Now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion... :rolleyes:

How 'bout that Mohinder? Anybody else bothered by his startling transformation from powerless but well-meaning hero to willing dupe for Sylar in offing people with powers? And why, if he was once able, 5 years ago, to spot Sylar's personality and lead him on for awhile, has he lost that perception when Sylar impersonates Nathan? Inconsistencies in character? I'd say so (and that's why 'Heroes' isn't 'Lost'. ;) )

The reason he figured out Sylar before wasn't that he guessed based on personality. He discovered that the guy he was going to meet originally had died. Therefore, Sylar couldn't be who he claimed to be.

And why, if he was once able, 5 years ago, to spot Sylar's personality and lead him on for awhile, has he lost that perception when Sylar impersonates Nathan?
Probably because of the decidedly different circumstances. If Mohinder hadn't read the news item indicating that the hero Sylar was pretending to be had died, he probably would have never recognized Sylar for who he was, until it was too late.

But I see Neocortex has beat me to that one. ;)

AND Mohinder knew that he would probably never be able to 'cure' the Heroes of their powers. He may not have liked it, but he certainly recognized, particularly as a geneticist, that when two competing species occupy the same territory, Darwinian theory will likely assert itself.

Inconsistencies in character? I'd say so (and that's why 'Heroes' isn't 'Lost')
I watch and enjoy both shows, and based on the first half of their respective seasons, I’m quite grateful that Heroes isn’t Lost, because Lost was horrible. Viva la difference! :cool:

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Oh, and let's not forget that Mohinder wasn't acting on his own volition, but in response to an order from the President of the United States, and that he was an "old friend" of Nathan's as well.

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Peter meeting the original person with telekinesis would have been coincidental beyond belief since they had no connection whatsoever, thus no reason for their paths to cross. It would have been such a fantastic occurence, in fact, that it would surely have been woven into the plot at some point previously. Sorry, objection denied. ;)
Maybe he met someone else with telekinesis. The point is that there's no way to know for sure.

Not to kick the time-travel horse to death...

But in the very first episodes we see that there is an Isaac and he is painting the future... and he gets killed in the future by Sylar...

So, what I keep wondering... even in traditional time-travel stories IF we assume Timeline 1 was the original timeline where things had not yet happened... why would people in that timeline not have done what they are doing now? That being, looking at Isaac's paintings and trying to change things.

Now, if Hiro had come back and said "The painting looks like it predicts XX, but it actually is predicting YY... so make sure you do this different than we did." then that would be helpful... but the cryptic "Save the cheerleader" clue seems to only ensure that the timeline continues to enfold just as it did before... with people running around trying to stop things they saw in Isaac's paintings... and ultimately failing to do so.

I think this supports my "they haven't changed anything yet even if it seems like they have" theory... and explains why future Hiro still has his memories intact of past events.

I would expect, for instance, someone in the future to go back and say "it wasn't Sylar, it was Peter" and that would be helpful knowledge that most folks didn't have the first time around. Apparently Peter knew the first time around, just as he does now, but is unable to prevent it himself even with foreknowledge of the event.

Anyway, just kicking the thought around the room while waiting for tomorrow night.

How 'bout that Mohinder? Anybody else bothered by his startling transformation from powerless but well-meaning hero to willing dupe for Sylar in offing people with powers? And why, if he was once able, 5 years ago, to spot Sylar's personality and lead him on for awhile, has he lost that perception when Sylar impersonates Nathan? Inconsistencies in character? I'd say so (and that's why 'Heroes' isn't 'Lost'. ;) )Yeah, the flash-forward episode is getting beat to death. Again; this is a potential future, one that while certainly possible, hasn't yet occured. Nearly anything could have happened in those lost five years. Mohinder could've had a memory wipe; who knows.

It's also possible that there are mutants with similiar, if not the same abilities.

Except would Peter have gone to Texas to save Claire if Hiro hadn't visited?

No, probably not; but I'm assuming future-Hiro visited Peter under circumstances unrelated to present-Hiro's five-year jump. Maybe I missed it, but saving Claire seems be related to some other event yet to be revealed. Because it doesn't appear the exploding-man would be enough to destroy the world......?

FHiro explains that he tried to kill Sylar, but he regenerated with Claires powers and still exploded.
But FHiro is still under the assumption that it was Sylar who exploded and not Peter.

And i usually give shows that show possible or alternate futures or alternate realities a buy when they use the same (but different) characters.
They could have used a new scientist or new people in homeland security instead of the ones we are familiar with, but we wouldn't have enjoyed it as much.

FHiro explains that he tried to kill Sylar, but he regenerated with Claires powers and still exploded.
But FHiro is still under the assumption that it was Sylar who exploded and not Peter.


But in that timeline he Sylar didn't have Claire's power when during the explosion, she was still alive.

Well, he's created a world where the heroes are forced to hide and are possibly lynched just because of who they are. Can't believe a few didn't 'fall' his way.
Some probably did, remember HRG said to Parkman, let the harmless ones go, tip him off to the dangerous ones. Parkman would report to Nathan/Sylar who these people were, then Sylar could kill them and absorb their powers.

Finally a new episode tonight. It sure seems like a long time between episodes! :D

Finally a new episode tonight. It sure seems like a long time between episodes! :D

Its not the years,...its the mileage.

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Did anyone else, other than me, see Nathan/Sylar in the Oval Office and think, "I wonder if that's the set from the West Wing did they make a new one."?

ft

I don't think it was the same, it looked a little different somehow (can't put my finger on it). Besides, I would have thought that the West Wing Oval would have been struck after production completed on the last season. Union rules or something like that....

This needed to be bumped up anyway, so I just want to express my fervent hope that this episode does not cause us to blow another week wrangling the space-time continuum. :)

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This needed to be bumped up anyway, so I just want to express my fervent hope that this episode does not cause us to blow another week wrangling the space-time continuum. :)

I just posted a bunch of stuff that completely explained everything about every possible time-travel scenario ever conceivable in this or any other show that will ever air.

Then I saw your post... so I went back in time and told myself not to post those thought-provoking messages.

;)

Did anyone else, other than me, see Nathan/Sylar in the Oval Office and think, "I wonder if that's the set from the West Wing did they make a new one."?

ft
Good eye. From the Beaming Beeman blog:

A couple of other points of interest. We had to find an oval office set for Nathan’s scenes as president in the future. The set we used was the one built for WEST WING. I always assumed we’d just go to Warner Brother’s studios for the day, but it turned out that the set had been dissembled. So we had to drive it over and rebuild it. A complicated endeavor.
http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/



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If ever there was a show where I would want to marathon an entire season, this is it. It's going to be brutal waiting for the next episode to come.

Comments on tonight's episode:
- Seemed we learned a bit more about the illusion ability. She really can screw with people.
- Sylar is even more messed up mentally now than previously.
- Either Sylar has an ability that we aren't aware of yet, or Hiro is still working on having control over his power. Referring to how the time-freeze was stopped.
- If Peter had just had somebody shoot Ted before meeting him, the whole problem would be solved.
- Looks like next episode features George Takei using a new katana. Nice.

Also, did anybody else have flashbacks to watching Carrie during the scenes with Sylar and his mom? It was eerily similar.

Not quite sure how Sylar's mommie issues figure into all this, but I agree he is one messed up person.

Kind of a cool scene where Peter is starting to absorb Ted's power.

So what is Nathan's mom's ability other than being controlling, manipulative.....

That certainly was sudden. I'm guessing Pete will fly away?

So what is Nathan's mom's ability other than being controlling, manipulative.....That's the power of Jezebel.....

Great episode tonight. I can't wait until next Monday to see how Peter handles Ted's power.

Also, I would like to know how Sylar un-froze time when Hiro was about to kill him.

I wish they would get rid of Micah. I find him very annoying.

So what is Nathan's mom's ability other than being controlling, manipulative.....

I still think she's an oracle of sorts.

Anyone catch that Bennett has no idea what the "Walker System" is that's used to find these 'special' people?

Kind of weird that she's like Professor X connected to Cerebro all by herself.

And to Mike4HDTV -

I don't think Sylar stopped Hiro's power, I think Hiro had a 'lapse' when he paused trying to kill him. He lost his concentration.

But, at least we now know why Sylar thinks he needs to be 'special.' All he wanted was to be accepted by his mother for being who he was. He could never reach her whacked out expectations.

can't wait for the season finale...I still hate how they have the same person on two different shows at the same time (Nathan's wife was on 24 as well tonight)

I didn't see Isaac's head/ face frozen this time around! The first time Hiro saw Mendez body
I thought it was iced up???

DJoel

So, Molly Walker. Her power is she can see where people are? That's it? I was thinking it was gonna be something huge the way Eric Roberts' character said she is the only one who can stop Sylar. Definitely not as big as I expected.

As for Sylar "breaking" Hiro's time freeze, did Hiro just lose concentration from being so nervous or does Sylar have some sort of ability that can enable him to interrupt a power?

Haunting scenes with sylar and his mother made this one of the better episodes of the season.

After tonight I'm wondering if the writers are really going where I get the impression they are going -- blow up New York. I don't know where the idea came from it's just a gut feeling I got during the final scenes of the show. Great setup for next season, trying to make things right, Hiro gets better using his abilities and goes back one more time to correct this, everyone else in hiding.

Haunting scenes with sylar and his mother made this one of the better episodes of the season.
Really? I think this was one of the weaker episodes. Very little in the way of exposition, and I never had a moment where I was jumping in my seat saying "cool!"

There was very little in the way of hero usage of powers. I expect the next two weeks to be fantastic episodes, however. The way they set up Peter meeting Ted should make for a good start to next week.

So was this the first episode to be directed by John Badham?

Actually, I see he directed the "Fallout" episode.

Now I am officially confused about something.

HRG helped hide Claire from his boss... His boss was mad and tried to trick HRG until HRG escapes.

Now that same boss is talking with Nathan about Linderman's big plan... the plan which involves Linderman having collected all that future-predicting artwork and knowing everything about everyone...

So... how is it that HRG's boss doesn't know where Claire is? The only way he wouldn't know, is if Linderman is keeping him intentionally in the dark... BUT that doesn't make sense if he would then allow such close contact between the guy and Nathan... Linderman has to know who Claire is, and where she is likely to run to... so I can't believe they wouldn't have already been looking at the Petrelli's for her.

Seems like a plothole to me as no matter how I slice it, it makes no sense that they haven't come looking for Claire at the Petrelli's.

On a different note... interesting how they almost made us feel sorry for Sylar... obviously had some issues growing up, trying to impress and win approval from his mother... you got the sense that he really didn't want to be a mass-murderer, and if she would have said she appreciated him, he would have stopped right there. Of course he is nuts, but still... someone like Hiro it made perfect sense why he would be torn between the psycho-serial-killer he had thought Sylar to be and the troubled man he witnessed with his mother.

Hiro is turning out to be kind of the moral compass of the show in several ways. Some folks have done good but not always for good's sake, whereas Hiro seems to be thinking about what is right. I am guessing, though, that he had yet another fake sword and his father has the real one. Something that important to his family history would not likely have gotten away from the way they portrayed his father in previous episodes. I also have to think his father knows about him... and is waiting for him to prove himself in some way before giving the sword to him.

So... how is it that HRG's boss doesn't know where Claire is? The only way he wouldn't know, is if Linderman is keeping him intentionally in the dark... BUT that doesn't make sense if he would then allow such close contact between the guy and Nathan... Linderman has to know who Claire is, and where she is likely to run to... so I can't believe they wouldn't have already been looking at the Petrelli's for her.Linderman almost certainly knows that Claire is in the care of the Petrelli's. We learned last night that Linderman and Nathan's mother are communicating and/or working together in some capacity.

For all we know, the plan from the very beginning was to turn Claire over to Nathan's mother when she manifested an ability. Nathan's mother is clearly aware of Linderman and what he is planning, yet doesn't perceive it as a threat to Claire. To me, that suggests there is no threat to Claire, at least not from Linderman's group. HRG could never have known that because he was low-level management, and had no idea about Linderman and the Petrelli connection.

From her conversation with Nathan, she is well aware of Linderman's plan to blow up NY, and from her comment, "you don't know everything about me", probably helped engineer it.

Her "protectiveness" over Claire, to get her out of the country, may be just a ploy because somehow she knows that Claire could somehow interfere with the plans.

(if you) Save the Cheerleader (then she will) Save the World?

It's looking now like maybe the Linderman group (I assume it's the same as HRG's and Thompson's "Company") wants the bomb to go off so that they can have public support to initiate their plan of containment (extermination?) against people with powers. The fact that Linderman, Candice, the Hatian, Eden, Claude (at least at first), Mom Petrelli (and now Nathan) etc. also buy into it yet they have powers is a little confusing for me. Or maybe it's referencing an historical precedent: Hitler had Jewish blood, yet wanted to exterminate all the jews....? It's almost like I'm missing something obvious here. :confused:

Whenever we have learned about the parents of a Hero, each of the mom and dad also had powers. Can guess as to what Sylar's mother's power was?

Whenever we have learned about the parents of a Hero, each of the mom and dad also had powers. Can guess as to what Sylar's mother's power was?
Not necessarily. We only know that the parents of two heroes had powers - Claire and Micah. The rest of them we have no information about, and even the Petrelli's parents are still a mystery.

Good episode, not awesome, but good.

Sylar didn't unfreeze time. Hiro lost his concentration, his nerve, and since he has to concentrate to use his power, he lost the time stop. I thought this was obvious since time unstopped exactly when Hiro got very nervous and unsure of himself. I think that is also why they took the time to show Sylar's mom falling (they didn't need to do that) so that everyone knew that the entire time freeze was stopped by Hiro, not just Sylar being immune or something.

This episode also answered a question a lot of people asked, if a hero like Sylar and Peter and can use two powers at the same time. We definitely see Sylar doing two things at once so that is pretty cool.

From her conversation with Nathan, she is well aware of Linderman's plan to blow up NY, and from her comment, "you don't know everything about me", probably helped engineer it.

Her "protectiveness" over Claire, to get her out of the country, may be just a ploy because somehow she knows that Claire could somehow interfere with the plans.

(if you) Save the Cheerleader (then she will) Save the World?
Yeah, I've never bought into the cover story that they need to send Claire off to Remulac (a small town in the south of France ;) ) so she couldn't prove an embarrassment for Nathan's political career. Hell, they could just stick her in a Motel 6 on the outskirts of Ceveland. In my mind, there's only one real reason they need her far out of the way, and that has to be the 'exploding man' scenario (I can't help it, but every time I hear that phrase, the voice of John Candy's character from SCTV whispers "Yeah he blowed up real good!", in the back of my head).

Peter already has Claire's powers, Ted can't get them, so that only leaves Sylar. If he can get access to Claire's power to regenerate (Peter already has it) before he becomes the 'exploding man', then he won't be destroyed when he goes "newcleah' (with apologies to Mr. Bush). Of course, this begs the issue as to whether Ted Sprague' will be impervious to the bomb, by the nature of his own power, in which case my theory on Claire goes to hell in a handbasket.

Whenever we have learned about the parents of a Hero, each of the mom and dad also had powers. Can guess as to what Sylar's mother's power was?
Yes, obviously it was the power of GUILT! (okay, that’s clearly intended as a joke (j/k) before anyone decides to get highly offended). Actually, I'm thinking possibly the freeze power as a tie-in with mom/Audrey's snowglobe obsession.

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It's looking now like maybe the Linderman group (I assume it's the same as HRG's and Thompson's "Company") wants the bomb to go off so that they can have public support to initiate their plan of containment (extermination?) against people with powers. The fact that Linderman, Candice, the Hatian, Eden, Claude (at least at first), Mom Petrelli (and now Nathan) etc. also buy into it yet they have powers is a little confusing for me. Or maybe it's referencing an historical precedent: Hitler had Jewish blood, yet wanted to exterminate all the jews....? It's almost like I'm missing something obvious here. :confused:
I keep thinking it somehow ties in with the old adage ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’, but I’m still unsure how.

BTW, did anyone else notice the yellow lights occasionally flashing outside the window of mom’s apartment? What was that all about?

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Umm...

How could Sylar obtain his mom's 'power' (I dont think she had one) without killing her...his 'ability' is to manifest another's power by forcibly obtaining it (and killing the other). He's not Peter.

From what we know, the following had only ONE parent with powers...

Peter Petrelli
Nathan Petrelli - Read the comics, it's pretty obvious that their father had no abilities.
Possibly Sylar - I don't think his mom had any powers...except to make Sylar feel inadequate and 'non-special.' And I still think that Linderman could be Sylar's dad...
Hiro (maybe)
Chianti - Suresh's sister.

And then there are countless others who we have no idea about their heritage...

Jessica/Nikki
DL
Eden
Sprague
Parkman
The Haitian
Wireless girl
'shapeshifter' girl
and more.

I think the 'super hero' gene is the dominant gene, but I think only one parent has to have a power.

Not necessarily. We only know that the parents of two heroes had powers - Claire and Micah. The rest of them we have no information about, and even the Petrelli's parents are still a mystery.
I posted some time back that the problem with the whole Heroes' premise was the absence of a satisfactory unifying theory. The more interconnections that come up, the more I'm convinced that this will ultimately boil down to genetics and bloodlines, as anything else would prove more problematic to rationalize.

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I agree Sylar didn't unfreeze time. I believe when Hiro touched Sylar with the sword, he brought Sylar into his time "pocket". Just like Hiro touching Ando enables Hiro to bring Ando with him, Hiro touching Sylar unfroze him. If I remember correctly, time didn't resume until after Sylar turned to look at Hiro. Sylar turning is what caused Hiro to lose concentration.

From what we know, the following had only ONE parent with powers...

Peter Petrelli
Nathan Petrelli - Read the comics, it's pretty obvious that their father had no abilities.
Possibly Sylar - I don't think his mom had any powers...except to make Sylar feel inadequate and 'non-special.' And I still think that Linderman could be Sylar's dad...
Hiro (maybe)
Chianti - Suresh's sister.

That's assuming Mama Petrelli has powers. There is no indication to that effect right now. Same with Hiro.

And what powers did Suresh's dad/mom have?

Seems to me that no one in that list has a single parent with powers that we know of.

And what powers did Suresh's dad/mom have?



Since Mohinder has no powers, it's irrelevant.

Did anyone else, other than me, see Nathan/Sylar in the Oval Office and think, "I wonder if that's the set from the West Wing did they make a new one."?

ft

Good eye. From the Beaming Beeman blog:


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Wasn't the West Wing set built from components of the "Dave" set (later used for "The American President")? Warner Brothers has had an Oval Office set in their stash since before the West Wing began. I got a good look at parts of it in their properties storage area arounf 1998 or 99. They had it partially assembled in a small room like an "Ethan Allen" room display. The room was so small, the carpet was rolled up on the edges, but the desk and most of the other furniture components were displayed.

That's assuming Mama Petrelli has powers. There is no indication to that effect right now. Same with Hiro.

And what powers did Suresh's dad/mom have?

Seems to me that no one in that list has a single parent with powers that we know of.
Jokell,

True. However, I think that ultimately the operative term will be "with powers that we Know of", and that by the time we're done, everyone of them will turn out to have at least one parent with a dominant or recessive 'power' gene.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Since Mohinder has no powers, it's irrelevant.
He claimed Mohinder's sister did.

Jokell,

True. However, I think that ultimately the operative term will be "with powers that we Know of", and that by the time we're done, everyone of them will turn out to have at least one parent with a dominant or recessive 'power' gene.

I doubt Hiro's father has a power. The point is we don't know, so making a list saying that we know one parent of theirs has powers is a bit premature.

Again, the only heroes that had any parents with powers that we know of are Claire and Micah.

He claimed Mohinder's sister did.


I thought we'd already been told that Suresh's sister had some sort of power. She was inflicted by the same 'disease' as Molly Walker, so I was assuming that it was a disease that 'only' affected those with special abilities. Why else would they want (and think/know) Suresh to (could) help?

Also, I was just making a point that there are many characters that (at this point) we know only had one parent that had special powers or no parents to have special powers. Thus, killing (at this point) the notion that in order for someone to have powers, BOTH parents need to have powers as well.

Also, only Molly Walker's dad had a power, since Sylar killed him by lopping his head off and not her mother's.

It was kinda creepy hearing Mollie describe to Mo that Sylar "cut their heads off and eats their brains". At least that confirms that he really did to that and not just cut the tops of the heads off.
Also, do we know who Sylar got the 'freezing' power from? I can't sem to recall. Was it from someone in the very early episodes when all we knew was that he was a serial killer? Wonder if he got it from one of Mollie's parents since he cut off the tops of their heads?
All-in-all, a very good episode, really sets up the finale well. Peter needs to fly away from Ted for real though. I think Micah is going to be used to manipulate the voting machines to ensure Nathan wins.

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I thought we'd already been told that Suresh's sister had some sort of power. She was inflicted by the same 'disease' as Molly Walker, so I was assuming that it was a disease that 'only' affected those with special abilities. Why else would they want (and think/know) Suresh to (could) help?

Also, I was just making a point that there are many characters that (at this point) we know only had one parent that had special powers or no parents to have special powers. Thus, killing (at this point) the notion that in order for someone to have powers, BOTH parents need to have powers as well.
Ah, I understand now. ;)

I don't believe they established Mohinder's sister had a power, only that she had a very similar disease (I guess the same) to Molly's. But I don't think being a hero is a prerequisite for the disease - at least, I don't think they established that last night. I'll definitely watch it again tonight, though. :)

It was kinda creepy hearing Mollie describe to Mo that Sylar "cut their heads off and eats their brains". At least that confirms that he really did to that and not just cut the tops of the heads off.
Also, do we know who Sylar got the 'freezing' power from? I can't sem to recall. Was it from someone in the very early episodes when all we knew was that he was a serial killer? Wonder if he got it from one of Mollie's parents since he cut off the tops of their heads?
All-in-all, a very good episode, really sets up the finale well. Peter needs to fly away from Ted for real though
We never see the "freezing" hero, and Sylar got to him before the first episode.

Oh ok, that explains it.

Ah, I understand now. ;)

I don't believe they established Mohinder's sister had a power, only that she had a very similar disease (I guess the same) to Molly's. But I don't think being a hero is a prerequisite for the disease - at least, I don't think they established that last night. I'll definitely watch it again tonight, though. :)


The only reason I 'assume' that it's a disease that only affects 'supers' is that Mohinder and the numerous other 'nurses' use no protection and have no fears of 'catching' whatever it is that Molly has.

Of course, it could be genetic which means they couldn't 'catch' her disease anyways.

And yes, I used way to many ' ' in that post, lol.

Maybe a modified version of this disease will be used by the Company on other Heroes. They might find a way to use it to eliminate the ability to use powers without killing the person. That's how they might take out Sylar while still being able to leave him in the show. Sounds plausible to show up next season.

ok, I only was able to watch it once last night, OH THE HORROR!! This is not aloud but after taking a ride with my friends to go up to upstate NY, really not far only about 50 miles up And my friend getting pulled over doing 100 in a 55, Better him than me I was going 90. Needless to say I got home at 955pm so I was able to watch Heroes first then 24. Anyway back to the episode. Hiro and Ando claimed that the comic book claim that he was suppose to kill Sylar on election night, which they both claimed is 2 days away. While all our other heroes are on election night. Does anybody think Hiro will be able to change the past again to save isaac and maybe Simone. know to be still on contract as every Hero is whom passed on. You already have 5 of them together HRG, Ted, Matt, Claire & the best one of them all Peter. I don't think it will Peter or Ted I think it will be Sylar but he escapes after the bomb still wondering How because he can only take powers not Mimic like Peter. Prediction Invisible man will pop up and help Peter control the big boom, but in the process punches HRG.

24 was good last night but Heroes has won the view first battle for the remainder of the season. .

Best line of the night: Peter - remember when I tried to fly, we all know how that ended up
Claire- You can fly(to her biological Daddy) COOL! There might be others but this one stuck with me.

I could probably look this up but there previews are miss leading. They say after last night "only 3 episodes untill the season finale " Do they mean 3 plus the 2 hr finale? Or, there are three episodes left with one being the finale?

PS still found it weird that Ted could start a car. Is is radio active not electric. Melting the snow is realistc not starting a car. But that is my gripe! I know everything in this show plays with the bounderies of logic. So I should not complain and enjoy the show.

Whenever we have learned about the parents of a Hero, each of the mom and dad also had powers. Can guess as to what Sylar's mother's power was?
Belief and love for a Serial killer that ends up killling her. Also giving this socialpath assperation to be the president. Hiss hearing problem which Sylar has now should have triggered the two Japamese out side the window But he never noticed. The Lady in the garage had it full time this is why she try to drown out/control with the Ipod playing.

Hiro being scared to go with his destiney, there is someone in the room in the end sceen with Hiro & Ando. If you guys go back and listen to that sceen again you will see Hiro show Ando the broken sword but if you hear in the baxckround,there is the sound of removing a sound from it's case. I won't say who it was, but they did spoil it on the preview.

ok, I only was able to watch it once last night, OH THE HORROR!! This is not aloud but after taking a ride with my friends to go up to upstate NY, really not far only about 50 miles up And my friend getting pulled over doing 100 in a 55, Better him than me I was going 90. Needless to say I got home at 955pm so I was able to watch Heroes first then 24. Anyway back to the episode. Hiro and Ando claimed that the comic book claim that he was suppose to kill Sylar on election night, which they both claimed is 2 days away. While all our other heroes are on election night. Does anybody think Hiro will be able to change the past again to save isaac and maybe Simone. know to be still on contract as every Hero is whom passed on. You already have 5 of them together HRG, Ted, Matt, Claire & the best one of them all Peter. I don't think it will Peter or Ted I think it will be Sylar but he escapes after the bomb still wondering How because he can only take powers not Mimic like Peter. Prediction Invisible man will pop up and help Peter control the big boom, but in the process punches HRG.

24 was good last night but Heroes has won the view first battle for the remainder of the season. .

Best line of the night: Peter - remember when I tried to fly, we all know how that ended up
Claire- You can fly(to her biological Daddy) COOL! There might be others but this one stuck with me.

I could probably look this up but there previews are miss leading. They say after last night "only 3 episodes untill the season finale " Do they mean 3 plus the 2 hr finale? Or, there are three episodes left with one being the finale?

PS still found it weird that Ted could start a car. Is is radio active not electric. Melting the snow is realistc not starting a car. But that is my gripe! I know everything in this show plays with the bounderies of logic. So I should not complain and enjoy the show.

There are 2 more episodes left. The finale airs May 21.

Ted's power has already been shown to be way more diverse then we thought. He created an EMP pulse. If he can create an electromagnetic pulse of that magnitude, he can probably manipulate it to the degree to recharge a dead battery.

Hiro and Ando claimed that the comic book claim that he was suppose to kill Sylar on election night, which they both claimed is 2 days away. While all our other heroes are on election night.
Actually Hiro says he kills Sylar the day *after* the election. And the rest of the heroes are on the same day - the day before the election.

BTW, did anyone else notice the yellow lights occasionally flashing outside the window of mom’s apartment? What was that all about?


Aren't the lights for roomates, call for privacy. 2 yellows for heavy petting, one yellow for B@#$ J#$s, and 1 red for sex in the bedroom 2 reds for sex in every room, come home later. :p :D :( t0, -tired to continue!

There are 2 more episodes left. The finale airs May 21.

Ted's power has already been shown to be way more diverse then we thought. He created an EMP pulse. If he can create an electromagnetic pulse of that magnitude, he can probably manipulate it to the degree to recharge a dead battery.

That leads me to think he could be the hero in the last two novels with electricity coming from his hands. Just a thought.

There are 2 more episodes left. The finale airs May 21.

Ted's power has already been shown to be way more diverse then we thought. He created an EMP pulse. If he can create an electromagnetic pulse of that magnitude, he can probably manipulate it to the degree to recharge a dead battery.
Thanks William I forgot about that, during the escape HRG tells Matt that TED needs to go blue, Which powered the EMP they needed to shut down electricity in the whole buiding

a thing i didnt realize was Ted, HRG and the other were there to kill the little girl...she is the Walker tracking system....

this is a great show... you have to pay attention to details....


btw, who is tim kring.... writing hasnt been this good in years...

Actually Hiro says he kills Sylar the day *after* the election. And the rest of the heroes are on the same day - the day before the election.
Are you sure? when Mommy Pertelli came in the office with Nathan he said he didn't expect to see her tonight(assuming it is at his Victory party) Then she told him "why would I be with you on the most inportant night of his life?" Why would the day before mean more then election day? Any others here that can preview it online, (I get no sound at work) or are at home that can clarify this.

a thing i didnt realize was Ted, HRG and the other were there to kill the little girl...she is the Walker tracking system....

this is a great show... you have to pay attention to details....


btw, who is tim kring.... writing hasnt been this good in years...

But her tracking sense isn't working right now. Even if Ted & HRG try to kill her Matt will defend her because that is the same girl that found and saved at the house in LA.

As for Tim Kring, Crossing Jordan is his also. That show is not as bad as I thought. It grew on me and keeps me entertained Last year on Sunday nights and this year on Wednesday.with little watch before LOST starts.

I posted some time back that the problem with the whole Heroes' premise was the absence of a satisfactory unifying theory. The more interconnections that come up, the more I'm convinced that this will ultimately boil down to genetics and bloodlines, as anything else would prove more problematic to rationalize.

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Chance favors the prepared mind
Don't think to much into it because it will drive you crazy with the inconsistent nature of the show, You just turn into Sylar. Just enjoy it because it is a very enjoyable show, One of the first in three Years(LOST being the other. There have been many question of How why, when, where and what? But when the day ends most of us talk facts or theories about the episodes then trying to explain reality.
The one thing I remember we people were trying to explain a Power was way back to the first month. When Hiro froze time in the Casino.

Wasn't the West Wing set built from components of the "Dave" set (later used for "The American President")? Warner Brothers has had an Oval Office set in their stash since before the West Wing began. I got a good look at parts of it in their properties storage area arounf 1998 or 99. They had it partially assembled in a small room like an "Ethan Allen" room display. The room was so small, the carpet was rolled up on the edges, but the desk and most of the other furniture components were displayed.
To ease your minds The Oval office is basically always the same during filming the only differences will be in the hanging Pictures maybe floor and cabinets or desk witch the first lady sets up during the transition stage. Watch Heroes again and the best current ones to match up would be 24, Dave, Mars Attacks, An American president, and the 2 movies with the teenage daughter trying to be independent, let me not forget the best of the all The West Wing. They always try to make it current but most first ladies do not make drastic changes to the Oval office, which is why most of the Shows above are so similar.

All-in-all, a very good episode, really sets up the finale well. Peter needs to fly away from Ted for real though. I think Micah is going to be used to manipulate the voting machines to ensure Nathan wins.

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Good prediction but NYC doesn't use electronic Voting machines We press on a candinate and pull a lever. I do not recall the machines being pluggedin, Ethier way, I like where you are going with the need of Micha.

a thing i didnt realize was Ted, HRG and the other were there to kill the little girl...she is the Walker tracking system....


I do not think HRG had that extensive of security clearance. He still thinks it is still a computer that gives the facts away.. To add to that he has a Parents instinct which will stop him from Killing her, Matt also. Ted on the other hand has already lost everyone he has every loved.

What I found most ironic about the story last night was that HRG and Matt actually brought Ted to New York... where he encounters Peter and passes along his powers. If they didn't do that NYC would be safe (from the Exploding Man at least).

Also cool was how Micah is being set up to manipulate the election for Linderman and Molly Walker is the one behind the "Walker tracking system." Bet HRG doesn't know that! lol

I do not think HRG had that extensive of security clearance. He still thinks it is still a computer that gives the facts away.. To add to that he has a Parents instinct which will stop him from Killing her, Matt also. Ted on the other hand has already lost everyone he has every loved.



well thats what i meant.... they will then realize that the system isnt even a system but a little girl

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Anyone catch that Bennett has no idea what the "Walker System" is that's used to find these 'special' people?

--SNIP--

What is "Walker's" power that stopped Sylar. Is it the virus? Does it only effect the Heroe's or is it some kind of manifestation of her powers that , while protects her from Sylar (any other Hero too?) it is also slowly killing her.

I am convinced that Mohinder is a Hero. Just a hunch.

Also, to be true to canon, thus far every set of parents that we see on the show had powers so I would expect both of the Mothers in last nights episode to have some sort of power as well.

(& to include Georgre Takei next week as well).

Are you sure? when Mommy Pertelli came in the office with Nathan he said he didn't expect to see her tonight(assuming it is at his Victory party) Then she told him "why would I be with you on the most inportant night of his life?" Why would the day before mean more then election day? Any others here that can preview it online, (I get no sound at work) or are at home that can clarify this.
Because as of that moment, that was the most important day of his life. The next day would only be more important if he wins. ;)

It's definitely the day before the election.

well thats what i meant.... they will then realize that the system isnt even a system but a little girl
OK bro we are on the same page!!!! Grat minds think a like. But her being a little girl would sway Matt and HRG. Becuase they have or will have kids.

If ever there was a show where I would want to marathon an entire season, this is it. It's going to be brutal waiting for the next episode to come.

You're in luck, if you can do without the HD (personally, I could not) and don't want to wait for the DVD. Friend of mine called me yesterday with the heads-up that Sci-Fi will be running an all-day Heroes marathon on May 19 (2 days before the finale) and showing 21 of their episodes.

P.S. That Micah kid must have a helluva lot of self-control. Once Candace/Nikki started heading to the shower in that towel, the last thing I'd be looking for is a way to escape. More like waiting patiently for her to drop the soap. ;) BTW, I think last night has conclusively settled the issue of whether Candy is a shape shifter or an illusionist.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

i cant watch regular tv anymore... HD spoiled me so much

What is "Walker's" power that stopped Sylar. Is it the virus? Does it only effect the Heroe's or is it some kind of manifestation of her powers that , while protects her from Sylar (any other Hero too?) it is also slowly killing her.

I am convinced that Mohinder is a Hero. Just a hunch.

Also, to be true to canon, thus far every set of parents that we see on the show had powers so I would expect both of the Mothers in last nights episode to have some sort of power as well.

(& to include Georgre Takei next week as well).

Walker's power is to locate anyone anywhere. So Sylar can never run or hide, they can always track him and find him. I don't think it has anything to do with teh virus. Or at least I hope not, sounds kind of corny to me. Plus Mohindar is curing her, the virus will be gone from her system.

Good prediction but NYC doesn't use electronic Voting machines We press on a candinate and pull a lever. I do not recall the machines being pluggedin, Ethier way, I like where you are going with the need of Micha.

I don't think they keep the results on a bajilion legal pads either ;). Electronics (more than likely) play a pivotal role in any election today. Whether it be the actual votes, or the system to input the numbers for record keeping (or that get transfered into results).

I have a feeling Linderman will tell Micah to 'go mess with the numbers a little, make Petrelli win.'

Though, I would be FLOORED if that's not what he is used for.


It's kind of odd to think that South Carolina uses electronic voting machines and New York still uses levers and paper. Oh well, strange world, eh?

Good prediction but NYC doesn't use electronic Voting machines We press on a candinate and pull a lever. I do not recall the machines being pluggedin, Ethier way, I like where you are going with the need of Micha.

NY also doesn't have super heroes running around the streets. :D My point is that in this TV show, they are probably going to have that NY does have voting machines, just rolled them out, etc. etc. Its the only way Micah can gurantee Petrelli wins. If its all paper based then there is nothing he can do. They already said Petrelli was way behind in the polls and Linderman already hinted that they have a way to fix that, it only makes sense they will use Micah for voting machines.

btw, who is tim kring.... writing hasnt been this good in years...

The creator of the show.

Since Mohinder has no powers, it's irrelevant.

You could argue Mohiner's ability is that his blood is special and can cure the ailment of Shanti and Molly (and presumably others with that condition).

In my book, that is an ability of sorts, or at least makes him special.

I think Mohindar will have a power. My reasoning is that when Eden attempted to use her power of persuassion on him to stay he didn't, he looked at her funny and then just said he was still leaving. I wonder if his power is not so much a power but like he can't be affected by mental powers. I know, far fetched, but I always go back to when Eden kept trying to persuade him and it didn't work.

I think Mohindar will have a power. My reasoning is that when Eden attempted to use her power of persuassion on him to stay he didn't, he looked at her funny and then just said he was still leaving. I wonder if his power is not so much a power but like he can't be affected by mental powers. I know, far fetched, but I always go back to when Eden kept trying to persuade him and it didn't work.
But Eden never used her power on him. HRG asked her to but she said she didn't need to, because he would be back anyway.

It seems like the show is setting up a ton of different ways that a nuclear bomb explodes in NYC. A lot of people have guessed that Micah will be used by Linderman to rig the election (which could be true), but Micah could also be used to tap into the US Missile Defense System and fire a nuclear missile at NYC. I think the painting of Micah showed him to be somewhat responsible for the explosion. The other possibilities for the explosion are:
- Ted blows up
- Peter blows up
- Sylar kills Ted, steals his power, then blows up

It seems that the Linderman group really wants an explosion to occur in NYC, and they seem to be providing for several alternatives to make sure it happens. Nathan may be responsible for implementing the explosion in a way that has not yet been revealed (his mother mentioning that he has cold feet seems to indicate that an affirmative act is required on his part).

PS still found it weird that Ted could start a car. Is is radio active not electric. Melting the snow is realistc not starting a car. But that is my gripe! I know everything in this show plays with the bounderies of logic. So I should not complain and enjoy the show.

I was thinking that he just warmed up the engine and battery. Warm engine needs a LOT less power to turn over, and warm battery has more juice than cold one.

Now I see the story has moved from stealing liberally from X-Men to now going after Steven King. The Sylar scene with mommy is straight from Carrie. Sad.

Also, to be true to canon, thus far every set of parents that we see on the show had powers so I would expect both of the Mothers in last nights episode to have some sort of power as well.

(& to include Georgre Takei next week as well).

Not necessarily. We know that Hiro's father works for the "company." Perhaps he is hiro's father the same way that HRG is Claire's.

The creator of the show.


wow... this i know.... but what are his past works....

wow... this i know.... but what are his past works....

CROSSING JORDAN comes to mind....

wow... this i know.... but what are his past works....

You should of been more specific. :D You simply asked who he was.

I actually have no idea, but I did read that he had to hire some writers that where fans of comics, sci-fi, etc. because he didn't know anything about it and doesn't understand some of that stuff. Pretty impressive show for a guy that doesn't know about comics/sci-fi.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0471352/

Here is Tim Krings IMDB entry. Crossing Jordan and Providence are his two main credits, neither of which exactly give any indication that he could pull off Heroes. Granted, he has surrounded himself with some great talent, especially Jeph Loeb, Greg Beeman and Bryan Fuller. (Actually he first worked with Jeph Loeb way back on Teen Wolf Two in 1987!)

Not necessarily. We know that Hiro's father works for the "company." Perhaps he is hiro's father the same way that HRG is Claire's.
I don't think so. My guess is that Hiro's father, Lindemann, Petrelli's father and certain others in the same echelon do not work for The Company, but rather ARE The Company, and all have powers. OUR Heroes are the second generation of that group.

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I actually have no idea, but I did read that he had to hire some writers that where fans of comics, sci-fi, etc. because he didn't know anything about it and doesn't understand some of that stuff. Pretty impressive show for a guy that doesn't know about comics/sci-fi.

I remember the Entertainment Weekly article that covered HEROES around the time of it's debut. Mentioned that some of Kring's cohorts warned him that some of his superpower ideas were too close to things like X-MEN.

Example: At one point, Kring considered a character whose power was the ability to manipulate metal. Kring imagined a scene where this character threw cars with his/her powers. His co-writers warned him that the world has already seen Ian McKellan do that more than once on the big screen as Magneto.

Of course, there are several X-MEN-ish nods in this show (healing, psychic ability, power absorbtion, telekinesis, shapeshifting, etc). But the "real world"-ness of it all (not to mention no leather or blue and yellow spandex tights :D ) keeps it, for me at least, enough away from Marvel/DC/DarkHorse territory to make it a complete rip-off.

Although tight leather or spandex would benefit some of the female characters, no? :D

I remember the Entertainment Weekly article that covered HEROES around the time of it's debut. Mentioned that some of Kring's cohorts warned him that some of his superpower ideas were too close to things like X-MEN.

Example: At one point, Kring considered a character whose power was the ability to manipulate metal. Kring imagined a scene where this character threw cars with his/her powers. His co-writers warned him that the world has already seen Ian McKellan do that more than once on the big screen as Magneto.

Of course, there are several X-MEN-ish nods in this show (healing, psychic ability, power absorbtion, telekinesis, shapeshifting, etc). But the "real world"-ness of it all (not to mention no leather or blue and yellow spandex tights :D ) keeps it, for me at least, enough away from Marvel/DC/DarkHorse territory to make it a complete rip-off.

Although tight leather or spandex would benefit some of the female characters, no? :D
Mmmmm....Claire in spandex....




I mean, when she turns 18! :eek:

Mmmmm....Claire in spandex....




I mean, when she turns 18! :eek:

Already have seen Nikki/Jessica in tight black leather (actually vinyl) in JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK.

Nice...and of legal age! :p

I don't think it is a coincidence that Molly has this "virus", and she can't use her powers. I think it is right--whatever virus she has suppresses the superpowers, and eventually kills the person. In that sense, she could be the thing that stops Sylar.

The "Molly virus" is only of value before she gets cured, presumably... but knowing how the Company operates, it seems to me that they would have saved and cultivated lots of samples before allowing Mohinder to actually cure her. Much in the way governments today have samples of virii in storage for contingencies.

I do not see HRG, Matt, or Ted killing a little girl. HRG and Matt for obvious reasons as they have (or soon to have in Matt's case) kids of their own... but Ted has always been shown as a caring person, he has only used his powers against the Company for what he perceives them having done to him and causing the death of his wife. No way would Ted kill a child either... he might not even knowingly kill an adult, given how he reacted to going out of control back at HRG's house and seemingly wanted not to explode.

More on the virus... it could very well be that it is this virus that leads to the "cure" future-Mohinder has developed that Sylar-Nathan wanted to kill all the others with powers in the previous episode... which again leads to my thinking we will hear from this again.

Also odd if they think only two people (Molly and Mohinder's sister) have ever had this virus... considering both also seem to have had the same power. It would seem that Mohinder's father was most likely using his daughter to help him locate people with powers originally... so interesting that this power would seem to also come with a terminal disease.

Going way way back... to some early show discussion (but I wasn't here back then)... It always seemed to me that Jessica/Nikki has two powers. From what we know, they appear to have been twins but Jessica died. My theory has always been that Nikki has the power of super-strength but apparently never knew it... and Jessica had the power to "jump" bodies and take control.

So Jessica "dies" but jumps into her sister before that happened... and from then on has taken over from time to time (pre Heroes shows) and used Nikki's powers to go off and do things for Linderman. I am really surprised more has not been explored in this vein. Could be that sometime in the future, rather than a merging of Jessica/Nikki's personalities what happens is that Jessica "jumps" elsewhere leaving Nikki to her own super-strength and Jessica off elsewhere in someone else's body who has a different power.

And on the Company... In some ways, it is starting to seem like the Company may have been an old-time Justice League... one that used to be heroes fighting villains, but came to think that it was a never-ending battle that they could not conclusively win... and thus decided at some point to try and take-over and mandate their way of how things "ought to be"... so while they appear to be villains in the story, they may see themselves as the heroes, doing what is necessary... and perhaps at some point at least a few of them come to realize (perhaps through their kids) that they had become too jaded and made some wrong steps... then next season could be about that splintering of the Company as some of the old Guard choose to support their kids and a more optimistic view of the future... while others and their kids become more determined...

So we end up with good vs bad with much of the "bad" actually being former good... and then a couple of folks like Sylar mixed in who is notsomuch a real villain as he is a thorn for both of the other teams.

I just watched the last episode a few minutes ago on my DVR, a pretty good one. The picture quality seemed abnormally bad for some reason, could just be my cable, though.

I noticed Sylar was called Gabriel in it. Is that his real name? Maybe the writers chose it as some odd reference to Archangel St. Gabriel, I thought he was the angel of mercy... but that really wouldn't make any sense seeing as [Sylar] he spends his time eating brains.

I watched OTA, and last night it looked unusually grainy for the first few minutes.

Gabriel is the villains' birth name....Sylar is a name he gave himself, though I'm not sure why he chose that particular one. His favorite watch?

I watched OTA, and last night it looked unusually grainy for the first few minutes.


Yeah, I agree.... and especially during parts when the picture would "fade in or out" (if that makes any sense,) as in immediately before the picture would fade to black for a split second to transition into a different scene or immediately after it would do so, although the noise was still there even when the scene wasn't in transition. I noticed it most heavily in the beginning like you did, but that might be because I started not paying as much attention to the picture quality as I did the episode itself as it wore on..... although I did pay enough attention to the point where the lackluster PQ was always in the back of my head during the broadcast. The PQ of Heroes has never been what I would call "great," but this one was notably below the bar to my eyes. I don't know what sense that makes, though. Luckily for the show it's pretty friggin' good, and below-the-bar PQ isn't enough to keep me from watching.

Read it again. An unbiased observer might call it "puffery (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/puffery) ", and if every politician guilty of that crime were prosecuted, there would be mighty few of 'em left standing. ;)
Say that again in your head, slowly. Sounds nice, doesn't it?

Gabriel is the villains' birth name....Sylar is a name he gave himself, though I'm not sure why he chose that particular one. His favorite watch?

The way they played it in the flashback episode... was that happened to be the watch he looked at when asked what his name was by his first victim.

Since he doesn't have the healing ability yet, he certainly can't call himself Timex! :)

If Linderman is part of this company and they report to him or whatever, why didn't they just ask him to come in and heal Molly with his healing powers?

If Linderman is part of this company and they report to him or whatever, why didn't they just ask him to come in and heal Molly with his healing powers?
Maybe she's contagious to other "special" people and they don't want to risk exposure, even if contamination was improbable or unlikely.

If Linderman is part of this company and they report to him or whatever, why didn't they just ask him to come in and heal Molly with his healing powers?
Separation of Powers between Church and State? :rolleyes:

There could be any number of reasons that we are not yet privy to. Perhaps I should have said Were The Company, instead of Are The Company.

Obviously HDME2 is thinking along similar, but possibly not identical lines as I am. We know very little of the back-story for The Company at this point. They may be all be part of the same group currently. They may all have been part of the same group at one time, but splintered off into different factions, based upon ideology, greed, etc., etc.

There was quite a bit of speculation about Devereux's father in the beginning with Peter's dream of flight. He probably was part of this same group too. Like evryone else, I'm just casting a net for the bigger picture here, which we may get sometime soon, or have a Lost-like wait ahead of us. More likely, we'll start getting hints or cryptic answers by the very end of this season or the beginning of next.

But if you're looking for a quick fix answer to your question, it would have to be that we do not know the extent of Lindemann's healing abilities. He may have tried to cure Molly and was unsuccessful, because the condition was so specific to a certain genetic structure which only Mo currently has. Or the faction which has Molly may now be rivals of Lindemann. Zaphod has also offered a reasonable explanation. The bottom line is that it is too early in the mystery that is Heroes, to offer an absolutely correct answer.

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There was quite a bit of speculation about Devereux's father in the beginning with Peter's dream of flight. He probably was part of this same group too.

AND

... that we do not know the extent of Lindemann's healing abilities.

I am now wondering if Linderman might have "healed" Simone after her shooting by Isaac. Might she have some power not realized yet--Assuming her father was an associate/friend/adversary to Linderman.

I am now wondering if Linderman might have "healed" Simone after her shooting by Isaac. Might she have some power not realized yet--Assuming her father was an associate/friend/adversary to Linderman.
Entirely possible I guess, but see this is fraught with peril, as we now start getting into very messy territory.

These are Heroes, not accountants. And the action, danger and excitement they are faced with is what makes this kind of show fun to watch. The high stakes in the battle between good and evil can only be life and death, not whether you lost the Jenkins account. :rolleyes: Once you establish a method which can compromise serious injury/death etc., the gamble becomes superfluous or is over.

In fact, I think it possible that the very specific Molly issue was remedied by Mohinder, because it was, by its nature, a one-shot (actually a two-shot when you count Mo's sister) and cannot be used as a constant fail-safe; and also did not require any intervention by Lindemann which might provide the limiting gauge for his healing powers. The creative team has to be very careful not to abuse the possibilities, or it will compromise the raison d'etre for super-powered humans in the first place.

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Are we to assume that according to the time line of the "flash-forward" episode, Mohinder never met Molly?

When Mohinder met Nathan (Sylar ?) in the Oval Office, didn't Nathan ask if Mohinder had developed a "cure?" Wouldn't Molly's virus be considered a "cure" that eliminates the powers of the infected hero? Maybe Mohinder couldn't find a way of (1) replicating the virus or (2) effectively infecting the heroes.

Are we to assume that according to the time line of the "flash-forward" episode, Mohinder never met Molly?

When Mohinder met Nathan (Sylar ?) in the Oval Office, didn't Nathan ask if Mohinder had developed a "cure?" Wouldn't Molly's virus be considered a "cure" that eliminates the powers of the infected hero? Maybe Mohinder couldn't find a way of (1) replicating the virus or (2) effectively infecting the heroes.
Whoa, slow down. You're talking about Zaphod's speculation as if it was something that we actually saw take place. There's no real basis for presuming that Molly's virus could infect, or would have any effect whatsoever on another hero. Nathan was talking about a way to eliminate the Heroes' powers, and so far there's been nothing to indicate Molly's virus would do that.

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Are we to assume that according to the time line of the "flash-forward" episode, Mohinder never met Molly?

When Mohinder met Nathan (Sylar ?) in the Oval Office, didn't Nathan ask if Mohinder had developed a "cure?" Wouldn't Molly's virus be considered a "cure" that eliminates the powers of the infected hero? Maybe Mohinder couldn't find a way of (1) replicating the virus or (2) effectively infecting the heroes.
Molly's virus isn't the cure, it's a disease. It just so happens that before it kills a hero they lose their powers.

Regardless, Mohinder would have already met and cured Molly in this future, so even if that's what Nathan/Sylar wanted, the disease would've been gone already.

Are we to assume that according to the time line of the "flash-forward" episode, Mohinder never met Molly?

When Mohinder met Nathan (Sylar ?) in the Oval Office, didn't Nathan ask if Mohinder had developed a "cure?" Wouldn't Molly's virus be considered a "cure" that eliminates the powers of the infected hero? Maybe Mohinder couldn't find a way of (1) replicating the virus or (2) effectively infecting the heroes.

Since nearly the beginning Mohindar was trying to work on a cure. He wanted to use Peter to help him do this. A way to block/revert back/change a heroes DNA so they would not have their power. That is what he was talking about when they mentioned the "cure".

in the next episode, we find out that nathan is actually the riddler!
http://bp0.blogger.com/_hM91Q1377fg/RkDHZFuus_I/AAAAAAAAAI0/J39XVKDPFWw/s400/future+petter+%26+green+Nathan.JPG

in the next episode, we find out that nathan is actually the riddler!
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And judging by the long black coat and those crazy-ass powers in the "flash-forward" episode, Peter turns into Neo from The Matrix!

"Whoa".

What? Nathan gets his head chopped (that looks like a "blue" screen suit)?

Hong.

What? Nathan gets his head chopped (that looks like a "blue" screen suit)?

Hong.
Wouldn't his head need the green then? Rather than his torso and legs? Because his arms don't have the green either...

If Linderman is part of this company and they report to him or whatever, why didn't they just ask him to come in and heal Molly with his healing powers?

Don't know how this plays in the show... but to my way of thinking there is a difference between healing and curing.

We know, for instance, that Claire heals broken bones and comes back from the dead... but has she never ever had a cold or the flu?

My assumption is that the healing only applies to the body, and not the disease... as an example...

Hit Claire with a hammer, and she heals... hit her again, and she heals... keep hitting her and she keeps healing... BUT if you don't stop hitting her with a hammer then she will be awfully busy doing that.

Think of a disease in the same way... she could heal herself from the damage done by the disease, but it would be a full-time job unless and until the disease was cured/removed by other means.

I think it would be a completely different power that would make a person immune to disease.

Linderman's healing power is probably much like Claire's, except obviously he can heal other people but not himself... but he wouldn't be able to cure cancer or a virus.

That said... It *may* be possible for something like a virus if it could be purged somehow that ordinarily would be fatal... like say a complete blood transfusion and extreme radiation treatment for Molly, then and only then could Linderman heal her from *that* damage once the virus had been purged.

As an aside... it could also be that Linderman's healing ability only works on normal people, and not those with powers.

And judging by the long black coat and those crazy-ass powers in the "flash-forward" episode, Peter turns into Neo from The Matrix!

"Whoa".
the Matrix similarities bugged me about that 5 years into the future episode,the guards and the metal detectors,the heavily armed and helmeted cops all showing up,Peter's Neo-like coat,etc.

The talk: NBC's 'Heroes' to Thursdays
On Monday the network reveals its fall lineup
By Toni Fitzgerald MediaLifeMagazine.com staff writer May 11, 2007

Last year, ABC shook up Thursday night by moving its top-rated drama, “Grey’s Anatomy,” into the 9 p.m. slot. The network has dominated the night ever since.

Now NBC is rumored to be mulling a similarly bold move to revive ratings on a night it long dominated but in recent years has fallen way behind.

The big change: Sliding “Heroes,” the season’s top-rated new show among adults 18-49, into the 10 p.m. timeslot the long-fading “ER” once ruled as TV’s most-watched show. “Heroes” currently airs Monday at 9 p.m.

If this rumor is true, the move would be announced on Monday at the network's upfront schedule presentation to media buyers.

The network is expected to once again rely heavily on new dramas, with only two of its highly touted bunch from last year returning and at least five new ones on tap for next year. Its strategy: Concentrate on quality, and assume viewers will eventually discover good programming. That also means a number of lower-rated older shows, such as "Crossing Jordan," will be purged.

"Heroes" was one of last year's new programs, and at some levels, moving it to Thursday would make sense.

“It’s the same type of show [as ‘Grey’s’], which was a hit new show last year when they moved it,” says one media researcher. “It’s a very young show that’s created appointment viewing. If you were to pick a hit show that could move, I think that might be it. Otherwise, there’s not too many top-rated shows out there that are new and could move around.”

The move would give NBC the dominant Thursday presence it’s been lacking since “Friends” left three years ago.

Further, the competition in the timeslot is the weakest of any hour on Thursday night. ABC cycled several shows through the slot, none of them gaining much traction. While CBS’s “Shark” performed decently among total viewers, the network is expected to replace it with a new show that can better hold “CSI’s” lead-in audience among 18-49s.

Yet further, moving “Heroes” also would allow NBC to move “ER,” which has been fading all season but is still higher-rated than most of its dramas. By putting that show on another night, perhaps Wednesday, NBC could see gains on two evenings.

But of course NBC could decide to keep “Heroes” where it is, and it would have good reasons for doing so.

The show’s ratings have slipped after a two-month batch of reruns, and the network may be reluctant to dismantle its most successful night.

There's also the concern that ABC might schedule its new “Grey’s Anatomy” spinoff Thursday at 10, which would suddenly make that timeslot a lot tougher.

In any case, whether “Heroes” moves to Thursday or not, the bulk of NBC's comedy-heavy Thursday schedule is expected to remain intact when the network releases it on Monday.

Though NBC’s comedy lineup has drawn low ratings, it indexes very highly with affluent viewers, and it has won the respect of media buyers. Many praise “My Name is Earl,” “The Office,” “30 Rock” and “Scrubs” as the funniest comedy lineup on any network since the 1980s.

“Really, it’s the type of night for NBC that doesn’t necessarily deliver the quantity of viewers but the quality,” says the media researcher. “They may keep it intact.”

The one show in danger of being canceled or perhaps returning at midseason is “Scrubs,” which has hit season lows recently and has become very expensive to produce with star Zach Braff’s recent salary bump. NBC may try new comedies “Lipshitz Saves the World” or “The IT Crowd,” both getting positive buzz this week.

NBC has loaded up on drama pilots to help boost its fourth-place season-to-date 3.1 rating in 18-49s. “Lipstick Jungle,” about three women executives, “The Bionic Woman,” a remake of the 1970s show, and “Chuck,” about a computer whiz, reportedly have received orders, as have time travel drama “Journeyman” and “Life,” about a police officer.

As expected, yesterday the network renewed low-rated first-year drama “Friday Night Lights,” rumored to be moving from Wednesday to Friday.

“Law & Order” and “Law & Order: Criminal Intent” are still under consideration but probably will not return because they are too expensive. “L&O: Special Victims Unit” has already been renewed and should remain on Tuesday, with two new dramas airing before it.

NBC has also renewed “Medium” and “Deal or No Deal,” with speculation that the former could return to Mondays after struggling on Wednesday. “Sunday Night Football” will return in the fall with a revamped pre-show.

And Donald Trump’s “Apprentice” could return, but likely at midseason. Though Trump has been claiming the show was renewed, NBC has not confirmed it.

“Crossing Jordan,” “Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip” and “The Black Donnellys” will all be canceled.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/printer_12022.asp

10:00 PM? Suckage. That means I probably wont watch until Friday. :(

10:00 PM? Suckage. That means I probably wont watch until Friday. :(

Agree, I hate Lost at 10pm.

Personally, I prefer all shows to be on as early in the evening as posisble. Since I (and most of you) DVR these shows, earlier the better and then watch when you want.

I hate this decision if it pans out. Man, I can't stay up that late since I get up so early, so no watching until the next day. So no reading the forum on here until I can watch it. Avoiding Internet boards/posts to reveal stuff, etc. etc. This sucks.

There are a lot of ways the little show magnets end up on network schedule boards this week before the upfronts.

I am sure even more drastic schedules have been considered.

I wouldn't worry about this too much unless and until we hear that NBC has actually made a move.

NBC won't move 'Heroes' to 10:00 PM on Thursdays. Given the nature of the show and it's targeted demographic, that makes no sense. And, since they seem to be high on rebuilding their Thursday night comedy block, they can't move it to 9:00 either. Ergo, it stays where and when it is, anchoring Monday night.

the Matrix similarities bugged me about that 5 years into the future episode,the guards and the metal detectors,the heavily armed and helmeted cops all showing up,Peter's Neo-like coat,etc.

Now all we need is for Sylar to gain a cloning ability so he and Peter can fight in the rain for the survival of humanity.

NBC won't move 'Heroes' to 10:00 PM on Thursdays. Given the nature of the show and it's targeted demographic, that makes no sense. And, since they seem to be high on rebuilding their Thursday night comedy block, they can't move it to 9:00 either. Ergo, it stays where and when it is, anchoring Monday night.
Seconded! NBC has become acclimated to having a thursday night monopoly over the past few decades, and unlike the dramas floated in as clean-up, Heroes is much closer in tone, due to its pacing and fantasy aspect.

However, this would be an incredibly stupid move on NBC's part due to the aforementioned demographics, the available timeslot, and because almost any decent drama will fill the bill for closing up the Thursday night schedule. Heroes is going to stay right where it is (don't try to pull in all the kiddies at 8:00, NBC!), and will probably form the cornerstone for something other than a block of stupid reality/lame game shows (hey, does anyone still remember when you didn't have to be a moron to qualify as a game show contestant?) and create a formidable Monday, particularly with 24 on the fade.

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Don't know how this plays in the show... but to my way of thinking there is a difference between healing and curing.

We know, for instance, that Claire heals broken bones and comes back from the dead... but has she never ever had a cold or the flu?
Her adopted mother specifically mentioned in an early episode how she was "unusually" healthy as a child.

I think it would be a completely different power that would make a person immune to disease.

Linderman's healing power is probably much like Claire's, except obviously he can heal other people but not himself... but he wouldn't be able to cure cancer or a virus.

That said... It *may* be possible for something like a virus if it could be purged somehow that ordinarily would be fatal... like say a complete blood transfusion and extreme radiation treatment for Molly, then and only then could Linderman heal her from *that* damage once the virus had been purged.

As an aside... it could also be that Linderman's healing ability only works on normal people, and not those with powers.

In the online comic Linderman cured his mom, she was terminally ill with cancer I believe, then his parents turned on him. I don't know if his ability can cure others with special abilities though.

The thing is, the company didn't "need" her--they already have a tracking system in place, but they used her to get to Mohinder, who has his father's formula for determining who carries the trait, which is much more valuable than a "where's waldo" ability...that's probably why Linderman didn't want to cure her himself, she isn't THAT important to his plans.

NBC won't move 'Heroes' to 10:00 PM on Thursdays. Given the nature of the show and it's targeted demographic, that makes no sense. And, since they seem to be high on rebuilding their Thursday night comedy block, they can't move it to 9:00 either. Ergo, it stays where and when it is, anchoring Monday night.

I agree. Also, doesn't moving a top-rated 9PM show to a 10 PM timeslot as an "anchor" not really work? You lose any ability to retain viewers for later programming (like Heroes now leads into...something I don't watch, but I'm sure some people do just because it is on after Heroes and they are too lazy to change the channel). By definition, a 10PM show can't be used as a lead-in for anything but the local news, and you risk loosing viewers to other, stronger lead-ins on other networks. They might get a slight ratings boost for Heroes following their Thursday comedies (which target similar demographics), but Heroes couldn't possibly help out the comedies, right? Wouldn't they rather spread those shows around a bit to help prop up two different nights?

Heroes has not yet had the chance to show it can sustain an audience between seasons. Moving it to 10PM has much more risk than ABC moving Lost to 10PM, and we all know that move didn't work out as well as ABC was hoping.

The only thing that makes sense about the move is that it would allow the producers even more leeway with violence and darker themes, but they don't exactly seem to be holding back at 9PM anyway.

I will watch (and/or DVR) Heroes whenever they move it to!

I could certainly see NBC moving Heroes to 10:00 PM; they've had more than a few complaints about the violence level of the show (Sylar's brain munching not exactly being neat and clean), and moving it to an hour later would make most of those complaints moot.

I could certainly see NBC moving Heroes to 10:00 PM; they've had more than a few complaints about the violence level of the show (Sylar's brain munching not exactly being neat and clean), and moving it to an hour later would make most of those complaints moot.
Why should they even care??

Right now, Heroes has a tight grip on the advertiser's ideal target demographic group of 18-49 year olds. I find it highly unlikely that particular group is complaining about the level of violence. Most of that demographic tends to work as well, and a 10:00 slot may end up losing them as broadcast viewers, and/or relegate them to DVR viewers, as a few members have already acknowledged in posts on this same thread.

The only ones I can see bitchin' about the violence are parents of younger kids, and to them all I can say is why should NBC jeapordize its income because you're too damn lazy to use your V-chip?

I, for one. do not wish to see this show directed toward the lowest common denominator. :mad:

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Why should they even care??

Right now, Heroes has a tight grip on the advertiser's ideal target demographic group of 18-49 year olds. I find it highly unlikely that particular group is complaining about the level of violence. Most of that demographic tends to work as well, and a 10:00 slot may end up losing them as broadcast viewers, and/or relegate them to DVR viewers, as a few members have already acknowledged in posts on this same thread.

The only ones I can see bitchin' about the violence are parents of younger kids, and to them all I can say is why should NBC jeapordize its income because you're too damn lazy to use your V-chip?

I, for one. do not wish to see this show directed toward the lowest common denominator. :mad:

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Amen brother!!!! First of all the government spent millions to have a protection on our TV's and nobody uses it. The cable and sat industry has Parent control and they don't use that. If you go into this show and think you will not see Viloent images you are just being Naive. It is official heroes is staying at 9.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070514nbc01

Thirty episodes, including a spin-off "Origins", Nice, that will help answer some of our questions. When did Nathan learn he could fly? Do we get to see all the attempts Claire had on film? what happened to DL before he went to Jail and his ensuring escape? This is only a few, but it will be nice to know. But we already know that there will be new characters introduced next season.

NBC is really trusting some of it's current shows with extended orders. 30 episodes for some shows, that hasn't been seen since the 60's. Thank god, get Medium out of Lost & CSI:NY path. Can't wait for tonight, but they did ruin the ending of last week with the preview for this week. 2 hrs of 24 and 1 hr of Heroes. I have been watching Heroes first but tonight they might get second fiddle because of the 2 hr finale for 24.

Amen brother!!!! First of all the government spent millions to have a protection on our TV's and nobody uses it. The cable and sat industry has Parent control and they don't use that. If you go into this show and think you will not see Viloent images you are just being Naive. It is official heroes is staying at 9.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070514nbc01

Thirty episodes, including a spin-off "Origins", Nice, that will help answer some of our questions. When did Nathan learn he could fly? Do we get to see all the attempts Claire had on film? what happened to DL before he went to Jail and his ensuring escape? This is only a few, but it will be nice to know. But we already know that there will be new characters introduced next season.

NBC is really trusting some of it's current shows with extended orders. 30 episodes for some shows, that hasn't been seen since the 60's. Thank god, get Medium out of Lost & CSI:NY path. Can't wait for tonight, but they did ruin the ending of last week with the preview for this week. 2 hrs of 24 and 1 hr of Heroes. I have been watching Heroes first but tonight they might get second fiddle because of the 2 hr finale for 24.
Considering most seasons are 24 episodes, a 30 episode order doesn't seem all that spectacular. Could it be they're going for longer seasons? Or maybe a couple 2-hour episodes?

So excited to see they announced it will stay on at 9 PM. But more importantly, did you guys read Fredfa's post about the Heroes: Origin spin off series that will air this Summer? Check out his post in the Hot of the press thread. Sounds awesome!!!!!!!!