Considering most seasons are 24 episodes, a 30 episode order doesn't seem all that spectacular. Could it be they're going for longer seasons? Or maybe a couple 2-hour episodes?
thirty is big becasue these actors are under contract for a 22 or 24 episode. The distributor would need to rework conntracts for 6 more shows. It is a huge gain for us because it hasn't been done for a long time. Only game shows or news mags do more shows during the season. Remember the official season is 36 weeks long. With thirty episodes only the holiday repeat or holiday show schedule will not have new episodes. Sept 15 2007- November 25 2007 then Jan 6, 2008 - May 25, 2007 would mean new shows for all the ones with a thirty order. That is great for anyone like me that doesn't miss a show.

Thirty episodes, including a spin-off "Origins", Nice, that will help answer some of our questions. When did Nathan learn he could fly? Do we get to see all the attempts Claire had on film? what happened to DL before he went to Jail and his ensuring escape? This is only a few, but it will be nice to know. But we already know that there will be new characters introduced next season.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, based upon your reference above, and guess that with TWO Heroes series, my theories will finally be confirmed that all of "Our" Heroes are actually the 'Next" generation of Heroes, and that we will learn a lot more about the 'Original' Heroes (Lindemann, Petrelli, Takei, etc.) and their genetic bloodlines, as well as their interrelationship with The Company, all of which which preceded our modern group. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

I'm going to go out on a limb here, based upon your reference above, and guess that with TWO Heroes series, my theories will finally be confirmed that all of "Our" Heroes are actually the 'Next" generation of Heroes, and that we will learn a lot more about the 'Original' Heroes (Lindemann, Petrelli, Takei, etc.) and their genetic bloodlines, as well as their interrelationship with The Company, all of which which preceded our modern group. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind
Yes. I think that will be the the assumption, plus maybe of our current Heroes also. but even with 30 total episodes, it might still be a 24 episode season for Heroes and only 6 for Origins, unless it does really good in the ratings then 10pm on Monday might have both of them full time. There are a lot of Origins that we do not know about.

OT: Thanx for that advice William, I read the press release for NBC previously, but that didn't satisfy my L&O:CI curiosity. This morning I heard all three were renewed, but on NBC's schedule it wasn't there. I Clawed scratched and seacrh but I finally read it. L&O:CI will be repeating on NBC as filler for network gaps, thankfully, it is renewed for a 7th season to run on USA, which it is alreay USA's highest rated syndicated show(or what ever you want to call it) New shows should do much better and plus a season 8 might be almost guarantied because it will not have to sustain the viewership levels NBC would need to keep it on air. I will miss the lack of new HD episodes, but when it repeats on NBC it will be in HD so I can watch it again
Edit:CI will run same or next week on NBC saturday night's in HD. I think I could wait a week.

They said in the annoucnement that it will be 24/6. I think that the 6 though aren't going to be backstory, since that ties in too much with the main 24. I' guessing they are going to be independent episodes that tell a complete story in an hour.

They said in the annoucnement that it will be 24/6. I think that the 6 though aren't going to be backstory, since that ties in too much with the main 24. I' guessing they are going to be independent episodes that tell a complete story in an hour.
Wait a second, re read, interesting.

NBC "bulks up" with 30 combined episodes of "Heroes" and "Heroes: Origins," an innovative new spin-off that each week will introduce a new character -- one of whom will be chosen by viewers through the "Heroes" website on NBC.com to become a cast regular the following season.

So it may still show the origins of the 1st gen Heroes. Like Nikki & DL. claire MOM and nathan, Mom and POP Petrelli. Butthe announcement doesn't give much more then the above.

They said in the annoucnement that it will be 24/6. I think that the 6 though aren't going to be backstory, since that ties in too much with the main 24. I' guessing they are going to be independent episodes that tell a complete story in an hour.
Wait a second, re read, interesting.

NBC "bulks up" with 30 combined episodes of "Heroes" and "Heroes: Origins," an innovative new spin-off that each week will introduce a new character -- one of whom will be chosen by viewers through the "Heroes" website on NBC.com to become a cast regular the following season.

So it may still show the origins of the 1st gen Heroes. Like Nikki & DL. claire MOM and nathan, Mom and POP Petrelli. Butthe announcement doesn't give much more then the above.
Given my druthers (boy, that;s a word I haven't heard in a long time), I think it would be cool if at least one of the "Heroes:Origins" hour was devoted solely to the 'original' gen Heroes, how they met, their interrelationships and if/how/why they split up. Then they could always fill in a little more back-story of the 1st gen as they focused on each of the different family lines in either Heroes or Heroes: Origins.

Of course, the really curious ingredient here is if we carry this concept across the board, than Sylar must be the 2d gen of a superhero (possibly bad) or super villian, himself.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

IGN posted another interview with some of the cast members (Linderman, Nathan, and Ma Patrelli). I wouldn't consider anything there a spoiler as long as you're up to date on the episodes. The one piece of info I picked out from this is that it mentions the title for next season will be "Generations". I wonder if this one will guest star Shatner for a rematch with Linderman. :D

Link: http://tv.ign.com/articles/787/787740p1.html

Of course, the really curious ingredient here is if we carry this concept across the board, than Sylar must be the 2d gen of a superhero (possibly bad) or super villian, himself.


We don't know much about of his father yet.

Given my druthers (boy, that;s a word I haven't heard in a long time), I think it would be cool if at least one of the "Heroes:Origins" hour was devoted solely to the 'original' gen Heroes, how they met, their interrelationships and if/how/why they split up. Then they could always fill in a little more back-story of the 1st gen as they focused on each of the different family lines in either Heroes or Heroes: Origins.

Of course, the really curious ingredient here is if we carry this concept across the board, than Sylar must be the 2d gen of a superhero (possibly bad) or super villian, himself.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Druther, good one. One of those SAT words that are in the back of our minds, way back, but we did learn during SAT prep. Given my druthers I wish Heroes was on right now.
I feel the same way, but the Sylar thing. I think he is first gen. His mother looked to surprised with what he did to have a husband with special powers. Let alone her having any. Unless she is a single mom that doesn't know who the father was.

IGN posted another interview with some of the cast members (Linderman, Nathan, and Ma Patrelli). I wouldn't consider anything there a spoiler as long as you're up to date on the episodes. The one piece of info I picked out from this is that it mentions the title for next season will be "Generations". I wonder if this one will guest star Shatner for a rematch with Linderman. :D

Link: http://tv.ign.com/articles/787/787740p1.html
Wow, thanks for the link. That article definitely suggests that things are developing along a very similar line to what I've been thinking. :)

One thing in the article confuses me though:

"The revelations of Angela and Linderman's alliance, coupled with Linderman speaking about a previous generation of heroes, has made many wonder what sort of abilities Angela herself may have."

Did I miss something or forget it entirely? I mean I'm glad for the confirmation, but when exactly did Linderman discuss a previous generation of Heroes?? :confused:

We don't know much about of his father yet.
Exactly. Who knows, probably turns out the killed himself so he wouldn't have to be driven nuts by Sylar's mom. :D

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Chance favors the prepared mind

IGN posted another interview with some of the cast members (Linderman, Nathan, and Ma Patrelli). I wouldn't consider anything there a spoiler as long as you're up to date on the episodes. The one piece of info I picked out from this is that it mentions the title for next season will be "Generations". I wonder if this one will guest star Shatner for a rematch with Linderman. :D

Link: http://tv.ign.com/articles/787/787740p1.html
the title was announced today and mentioned above. Heroes: Origins

good article, no spoilers at all, only things that we have been thinking anyway. do you like Linderman's story on the Petrellis brothers birth? That would be a good reason, but that is only one weekend, how would the second brother be born? Thjey aren't twins.

The juicy plan for "Heroes":
NBC wants to keep you watching
By Hal Boedeker Orlando Sentinel Television Critic his TV Guy blog May 14, 2007

NBC has decided to give "Heroes" the bulk-up challenge. Fans, this is good news. It could be GREAT news.

The series will offer 24 original episodes next season. NBC will supplement them with six episodes called "Heroes: Origins." Those "Origins" installments will introduce a character each week. Viewers will decide, by voting at NBC.com, which one will join the series the following season.

The real upsides: You won't see a lot of repeats. And the show won't take long breaks.

NBC's goal was to stay more consistent in scheduling, said Kevin Reilly, president of NBC Entertainment.

One danger signal: The show has lost momentum in the spring. But "Heroes" remains the most-watched show introduced this season. It is also the most popular among the 18-to-49 crowd that advertisers crave.

"Heroes" creator Tim Kring came up with the "Origins" idea, and cast regulars could pop up in the "Origins" episodes. A separate unit will write and produce the "Origins" episodes.

Reilly offered several plans for scheduling "Heroes." The drama series could start in the fall and deliver 24 episodes, then "Origins" might appear.

Or "Origins" could run as a chunk in the spring.

I have to think the latter plan will be the way they go; NBC will want to save new "Heroes" for the May sweeps.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2007/05/the_juicy_plan_.html

The series will offer 24 original episodes next season. NBC will supplement them with six episodes called "Heroes: Origins." Those "Origins" installments will introduce a character each week. Viewers will decide, by voting at NBC.com, which one will join the series the following season.


Heroes Meets American Idol

Maybe one of the 6 will have singing ability as his/her superpower? :D

Exactly. Who knows, probably turns out the killed himself so he wouldn't have to be driven nuts by Sylar's mom. :D


To Sylar: "Son, please kill me so I don't have to listen to your crazy mom anymore. Just make sure I'm really dead. Eat my brains if you have to."

:)

Doesn't the fact that a "Hero" will be chosen by viewers indicate these "Origins" episodes will air earlier rather than later in the season? Because it will take some time to incorporate the chosen "Hero" into the script unless they write six different sets of scripts for the end. I can't see them having these "Origins" stories in March and April and somehow the chosen character can be made a substantial part of the season finale (unless the voted "Hero" is only going to do a lame cameo in a scene or two at the end). Intriguing possibilities though, and a sign NBC is gun-ho on the series and wants to milk it for all its worth! :)

I don't think they are going to incorporate the Origins poll winner until season 3.

Doesn't the fact that a "Hero" will be chosen by viewers indicate these "Origins" episodes will air earlier rather than later in the season? Because it will take some time to incorporate the chosen "Hero" into the script unless they write six different sets of scripts for the end. I can't see them having these "Origins" stories in March and April and somehow the chosen character can be made a substantial part of the season finale (unless the voted "Hero" is only going to do a lame cameo in a scene or two at the end). Intriguing possibilities though, and a sign NBC is gun-ho on the series and wants to milk it for all its worth! :)

I'm thinking that the new heroes introduced during the 07-08 season's set of origins will be written into the Season 3 plot. This gives them a chance to really build them up and give them a significant part of the story as opposed to just plopping them in mid-season as an obvious fanservice gesture.

the title was announced today and mentioned above. Heroes: Origins

good article, no spoilers at all, only things that we have been thinking anyway. do you like Linderman's story on the Petrellis brothers birth? That would be a good reason, but that is only one weekend, how would the second brother be born? Thjey aren't twins.

I think "Generations" is referring to the actual next season of Heroes, while "Heroes:Origins" is the mid-season replacement show.

Also, I think the bit about Linderman being the father might have been a joke, since the actors for both Linderman and Mrs. Petrelli were in on the interview. Of course with this show and it already using time-travel, who know. ;)

Doesn't the fact that a "Hero" will be chosen by viewers indicate these "Origins" episodes will air earlier rather than later in the season? Because it will take some time to incorporate the chosen "Hero" into the script unless they write six different sets of scripts for the end. I can't see them having these "Origins" stories in March and April and somehow the chosen character can be made a substantial part of the season finale (unless the voted "Hero" is only going to do a lame cameo in a scene or two at the end). Intriguing possibilities though, and a sign NBC is gun-ho on the series and wants to milk it for all its worth! :)
it is for a chance to be added to season 3, which bodes well for us, NBC is basically confirming to us that Heroes will be slated for a season 3 regardless of ratings errosion. At least we can hope!

I think "Generations" is referring to the actual next season of Heroes, while "Heroes:Origins" is the mid-season replacement show.

Also, I think the bit about Linderman being the father might have been a joke, since the actors for both Linderman and Mrs. Petrelli were in on the interview. Of course with this show and it already using time-travel, who know. ;)
But it does make sense, maybe Papi Patrelli was sterile. we never knew him. He looked at Linderman as a friend and Client. So you never know. they had sperm banks in the 60's, didn't they?

6 more hours!!!!!

The juicy plan for "Heroes":
NBC wants to keep you watching
By Hal Boedeker Orlando Sentinel Television Critic his TV Guy blog May 14, 2007

NBC has decided to give "Heroes" the bulk-up challenge. Fans, this is good news. It could be GREAT news.

The series will offer 24 original episodes next season. NBC will supplement them with six episodes called "Heroes: Origins." Those "Origins" installments will introduce a character each week. Viewers will decide, by voting at NBC.com, which one will join the series the following season.

The real upsides: You won't see a lot of repeats. And the show won't take long breaks.

NBC's goal was to stay more consistent in scheduling, said Kevin Reilly, president of NBC Entertainment.

One danger signal: The show has lost momentum in the spring. But "Heroes" remains the most-watched show introduced this season. It is also the most popular among the 18-to-49 crowd that advertisers crave.

"Heroes" creator Tim Kring came up with the "Origins" idea, and cast regulars could pop up in the "Origins" episodes. A separate unit will write and produce the "Origins" episodes.

Reilly offered several plans for scheduling "Heroes." The drama series could start in the fall and deliver 24 episodes, then "Origins" might appear.

Or "Origins" could run as a chunk in the spring.

I have to think the latter plan will be the way they go; NBC will want to save new "Heroes" for the May sweeps.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2007/05/the_juicy_plan_.html
You are slow today fredfa, you usually have things posted before we talk about it. Please do not let that happen again. Anyway, thank you for all the TV news articles in all the threads you post at!

Doesn't the fact that a "Hero" will be chosen by viewers indicate these "Origins" episodes will air earlier rather than later in the season? Because it will take some time to incorporate the chosen "Hero" into the script unless they write six different sets of scripts for the end. I can't see them having these "Origins" stories in March and April and somehow the chosen character can be made a substantial part of the season finale (unless the voted "Hero" is only going to do a lame cameo in a scene or two at the end). Intriguing possibilities though, and a sign NBC is gun-ho on the series and wants to milk it for all its worth! :)

They will be in Season 3, not 2.

Great episode tonight. I can't believe how many of the main characters died tonight.

7 days is too long to wait for next weeks finale.

I loved tonight's episode. Way to thin out a cast really quick. I only have a couple problems with the Linderman scene, though. Why didn't DL just phase Jessica, instead of stepping in front? Also, how on Earth did DL sneak behind Linderman when he was just shot?

By the way, does anybody know if the season finale is 1 or 2 hours? I really hope for a 2 hour finale to wrap up the season.

According to Zap2it, it's only 1 hour.

Well that is one way to keep the payroll down. . . wack a few characters before the end of the season so that nobody gets to uppity during contract negotiations.

So Hiro's true empowerment comes from Mr. Sulu (not a sword)......nice touch. He certainly went through a lot to obtain it....

Loved the comment about not running around NY with their underwear outside!

Hard choice for Bennett: shoot a little girl to save his daughter.

Loved the comment about not running around NY with their underwear outside!

Hard choice for Bennett: shoot a little girl to save his daughter.

My favorite line(s) tonight:
What am I thinking now Parkman?
Your last thought.

:D

Screw you NBC for throwing total spoilers at us during the preview...i'm glad I watched about 5 seconds of it before I deleted it...STUPID STUPID TO SHOW:

what-his-face alive with Micha STUPID STUPID STUPID, screw you NBC

Great ep

a little bit of everything tonight. Not often you see fists in skulls, cars flipping in the air, sword fighting, Japanese folklore and political intrigue in one show! George Takei as a samurai businessman was fantastic and there were some good lines tonight.

Nice to see they took some pointers from 24 in whacking characters without fanfare. HRG and his "your last thoughts" line was quick and decisive and the expression on McDowell's face was great. Especially the eyeball hemorrhage touch.

There were some continuity errors which for some reason really irked me (Linderman's corpse changing position amongst them), but overall, exciting stuff that has me looking forward to next week.

Looking forward to the show notes over at http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/ later.

Screw you NBC for throwing total spoilers at us during the preview...i'm glad I watched about 5 seconds of it before I deleted it...STUPID STUPID TO SHOW:

what-his-face alive with Micha STUPID STUPID STUPID, screw you NBC

Great ep

Did you miss the shot of Mohinder attending to a dying Parkman?

They spoiled half the damn finale. The NBC promo monkeys are goons. I've always hated them.

Damn, they were dropping like flies tonight. Great setup for the finale. I just hope Round 3 of the Peter-Sylar standoff actually amounts to something worthwhile. Of course, I have the feeling just as they are about to go at it, Peter loses control and blows.

Now for the questions.

1) What ability does Sylar have that makes him disappear the way he can? We've seen him do that when Parkman cornered him after he tried to get Molly and now again tonight.

2) Is D.L. actually dead and if so that brings up another question. If the future we saw a couple of episodes ago is on course to take place, then where did Sylar get his ability from?

Now for the two problems I had with tonight's show.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.

2) Peter saying he doesn't think he can take Sylar really annoyed me. Hello, you can do as much as he can, even more. Just don't turn around like an idiot when glass shards are poised to fly at you.

2) Peter saying he doesn't think he can take Sylar really annoyed me. Hello, you can do as much as he can, even more. Just don't turn around like an idiot when glass shards are poised to fly at you.

he doesn't know what Sylar can do, andhe doesn't know what he sponged off him. he got the telekinetics from a reaction. he hasn't realized any of his other powers. so what's it like to go up against a supervillain when you don't know what powers he has? ready to gamble your life to find out?

and as someone else said, superhero fights are like sports games; the stronger side doesn't always win. alot of it has to do with chance.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.
As opposed to being able to stop time and teleport. :rolleyes:

he doesn't know what Sylar can do, andhe doesn't know what he sponged off him. he got the telekinetics from a reaction. he hasn't realized any of his other powers. so what's it like to go up against a supervillain when you don't know what powers he has? ready to gamble your life to find out?

and as someone else said, superhero fights are like sports games; the stronger side doesn't always win. alot of it has to do with chance.

But he has to know that anything Sylar can do, he can do as well. Plus, he has other abilites that Sylar doesn't. If I were face to face with my clone and had more knowledge than he did, I wouldn't be scared to go toe-to-toe with him. What can my less than equal do to me that I can't do right back to him?

As opposed to being able to stop time and teleport. :rolleyes:

And I pretty much wrote off his training to him stopping time and spending as much time as needed to devote to it. They probably could have written a line of dialogue to confirm it, but as long as I can come up with an explanation that works, I will run with it instead of trying to find plot holes.

But he has to know that anything Sylar can do, he can do as well. Plus, he has other abilites that Sylar doesn't. If I were face to face with my clone and had more knowledge than he did, I wouldn't be scared to go toe-to-toe with him. What can my less than equal do to me that I can't do right back to him?


Just because Peter has the abilities doesn't mean he can use them proficiently. Sylar has one skill that Peter doesn't - the ability to understand how their powers work and how to control them quickly.

Peter is just winging it at the moment. If it hadn't been for invisible guy he wouldn't have the control he does now. He's a jack of all trades and master of none. That comes later as we've seen in his future portrayal.

However, once Peter is in Sylar's presence, he will absorb whatever he has, so, technically, Peter should be the stronger one if he is able to tap into all the powers.

great episode...counting the minutes to next weeks episode

Can't wait for next week. Way to go to kill of many characters so quickly.

I found myself thinking that Ando still dies and maybe they can't change the future. I also had the same thought that the Hiro training session(s) could have occurred outside of normal time. I am eagerly awaiting next week's episode.

YMMV

Can't wait for next week. Way to go to kill of many characters so quickly.

Seemed awfully anti-climatic, uneventful, petty whatever you want to call it for Linderman to go out like that, he was the man of intrigue, mystery, etc... just seemed like he went down too easy, you'd expect it would be a bit more difficult to take him out than that.

I found myself thinking that Ando still dies and maybe they can't change the future. I also had the same thought that the Hiro training session(s) could have occurred outside of normal time. I am eagerly awaiting next week's episode.

YMMV
I too suspect that Ando will die no matter what. If you watch carefully, when Ando is on his way with a sword to find Sylar, he has the unfinished comic book. I think Ando is destined to fulfill his destiny.

As for Hiro/Dad training session, the only way that it happens outside normal time is if Hiro's Dad (HD) has time stopping power as well. We have yet to discover what HD's power is. We also have seen if Hiro can pull someone (other than Peter) into frozen time with him, but it's unlikely ... it's been alluded to in the Graphic Novel.

The most likely (in my mind) time frame for the training session was about 4 hours. You see, HD has been training Hiro for years with the stories and toys. It was just a matter of "unlocking" the training, sort of like Karate Kid. The main thing is that Hiro now knows that to be a hero, he must be an ice cold killer. He must cut his own heart out to get the job done.

We'll see if he can do that ...

ft

Great episode, one question I have is how did Peter make Claire invisible when they were running through the crowd? I don't remember him being able to make others disappear as well.

Does anyone else feel sorry for Candace? I had thought that she was "evil", but last night's episode puts a more sympathetic spin on her character.

She seems to truly care for Micah and seems to be concerned for his well being.

She just seems to be a bit naive and had fallen for Linderman's manipulations.

Also, it seems as though the projection she gives off (the hot exterior) is not her true self. She is probably a "hefty" person as she alluded to in the conversation with Micah and had been taunted and teased for her size. That's probably why she is/was a little bit on the "evil" side. Just wants to get back at everyone.

I'm pulling for her to make it past the bomb and maybe next season.

ft

Great episode, one question I have is how did Peter make Claire invisible when they were running through the crowd? I don't remember him being able to make others disappear as well.
Well, it seems as though Peter (and Claude) can make object around them invisible as well. Hence, they don't need to run around naked to be invisible. Also, in one of the earlier episodes, Claude grabs an apple from a street vendor and it just "disappears".

So the inviso power probably extends to whatever these guys touch. Hence, he can make Claire disappear as well.

He should have probably protected Ted as well, but if he did, Sylar wouldn't have gotten Ted's power, and we wouldn't have the storyline.

ft

However, once Peter is in Sylar's presence, he will absorb whatever he has, so, technically, Peter should be the stronger one if he is able to tap into all the powers.

true, but while Peter is becoming aware of the powers he suddenly possesses, Sylar just needs to exhibit some quick thinking and creativity and it's another shard of glass in the back of Peter's head.

Plus of course there are some powers Peter won't know he has, which also gives Sylar the advantage.

Seemed awfully anti-climatic, uneventful, petty whatever you want to call it for Linderman to go out like that, he was the man of intrigue, mystery, etc... just seemed like he went down too easy, you'd expect it would be a bit more difficult to take him out than that.

I agree; that was just too easy. Linderman was a man who needed a lot more exposition before just casually knocking him off, and to do it with a truly expendable character! WTF?! I figured DL would get knocked off; his story was never fleshed out either and he might as well have worn a red shirt during his brief interludes on-screen. It was very clumsily handled.

Linderman, we hardly knew ye'. I mean, here's a guy who (via the comics) first appeared to be a good guy. Then, he somehow became a bad guy, a mobster. Then, he's a good guy again, wanting to save many lives. But wait....he's actually a bad guy because he wants to blow up New York in order to save those lives....? And then, before we can find out just what makes this guy tick, he gets a fist in the back of the head; exit stage left. Folks, this whole thing just makes no sense. :confused:

Well, it seems as though Peter (and Claude) can make object around them invisible as well. Hence, they don't need to run around naked to be invisible. Also, in one of the earlier episodes, Claude grabs an apple from a street vendor and it just "disappears".

So the inviso power probably extends to whatever these guys touch. Hence, he can make Claire disappear as well.

He should have probably protected Ted as well, but if he did, Sylar wouldn't have gotten Ted's power, and we wouldn't have the storyline.

ft

Same way DL can take Nikki with him, Peter can take whoever he touches with him too when he becomes invisible.

I loved tonight's episode. Way to thin out a cast really quick. I only have a couple problems with the Linderman scene, though. Why didn't DL just phase Jessica, instead of stepping in front? Also, how on Earth did DL sneak behind Linderman when he was just shot?

By the way, does anybody know if the season finale is 1 or 2 hours? I really hope for a 2 hour finale to wrap up the season.

I think Linderman walks forward and in front of DL when he goes down, Linderman is definitely moving. Maybe DL wasn't hurt enough that he phased through the floor and back up to be behind him.

I agree though, he should of just phased them both to protect them. But then I guess it wouldn't of been as dramatic.

Damn, they were dropping like flies tonight. Great setup for the finale. I just hope Round 3 of the Peter-Sylar standoff actually amounts to something worthwhile. Of course, I have the feeling just as they are about to go at it, Peter loses control and blows.

Now for the questions.

1) What ability does Sylar have that makes him disappear the way he can? We've seen him do that when Parkman cornered him after he tried to get Molly and now again tonight.

2) Is D.L. actually dead and if so that brings up another question. If the future we saw a couple of episodes ago is on course to take place, then where did Sylar get his ability from?

Now for the two problems I had with tonight's show.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.

2) Peter saying he doesn't think he can take Sylar really annoyed me. Hello, you can do as much as he can, even more. Just don't turn around like an idiot when glass shards are poised to fly at you.

1. Telekinesis. Why couldn't he just lift himself up with it?

2. Maybe DL isn't dead. We don't see him die, maybe he doesn't die. And also, the future can be changed. Perhaps with the way things play out, that future time line doesn't go exactly the way it was suppose to. Hiro tried to kill Sylar once already, in the future timeline I don't think he did. Perhaps things are changing just enough that we are on a different future track.

As we saw in the future episode, Peter made Ando and Hiro invisible to get away from Sylar so he is able to make others disappear with him.
As for Candace, that future episode also shows Sylar with her power so unless the future ep isn't accurate, he gets her power. Still wondering, as previous poster did, how Sylar gets DL's power or is it a similar power from someone else?
Really think they shouldn't have taken out Linderman, he had alot of answers about this whole thing. It seems DL and Jessica were almost engineered to produce Micah.
Still a fantastic eps if you just go along with it. Don't watch the previews cause those idiots always give away too much.

What was up with Hiro's dad and when he looked into the sword when he pulled it out of the scabard. The reflection was definitely not him, it was someone else completely.

refelction of him as a youth.

The previews of this show are always as bad as other shows like 24...might as well skip it since we've seen next week's eppy now! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Screw you NBC for throwing total spoilers at us during the preview...i'm glad I watched about 5 seconds of it before I deleted it...STUPID STUPID TO SHOW:

what-his-face alive with Micha STUPID STUPID STUPID, screw you NBC

Great ep

I always avoid previews for this show in particular. Also with Lost. I hate spoilers so I avoid any media (magazines, interviews, etc.) with these shows.

I agree through that this is a common problem with previews and it makes me wonder who the He(( puts these things together.

Kill DL, have Jessica the dominant personality and have Mica and Jessica learn a new family dynamic but PLEASE no more of the sap trio next season.

One more minor complaint... Peter knew Sylar was on to Ted, now why didn't he break Ted out of custody to prevent Sylar from becoming a living nuclear reactor? Getting out of town without Ted did not seem like the best course of action.

I think Peter was so focussed on thinking of himself as the bomb, that he didn't consider that Sylar would be the bomb. Probably thought that Ted in protective custody was as good as being out of town... though admitedly this was a mistake in thinking... but again Peter is really just getting the hang of this super-hero business.

I could be wrong... but this episode almost seemed to be setting up Hiro for a fall next week in the finale. The parable from his youth, and his close friendship with Ando... starting to make me think they could be setting up for Hiro to give his life to save his friend. Would definately be a bold move if they did that given Hiro's popularity.

The Linderman thing surprised me... didn't see that coming. I was surprised, though, that DL allowed himself to be shot. That didn't make much sense.

Since it is a fictional world... the jury is still out on whether or not they actually let the bomb explode. Wouldn't surprise me if they did... having the heros struggle so much to prevent it, and then realize they failed... could make for good character growth next season as they try to move beyond that failure... But I also wouldn't be surprised if they let the good guys win the day.

Interesting about illusion-girl... that we may or may not have seen what she really looks like. Adds a lot of instant empathy for her and why she would do the things she is doing for the Company.

Still wondering how valuable Molly really is as a tracker. So far it sounds like she can only track people she knows about... she thinks about them and knows where they are... so this is no different than the Company implanting trackers in people. They would still have to locate people with powers so they can tell Molly who to think about... I guess marginally easier than capturing and implanting... but still, it's not like she can Cerebro-style detect an unknown person with powers and track. She's just good for tracking people you already know about.

Now for the two problems I had with tonight's show.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.


Well Hiro can stop time (and who knows what his father can do) so it is possible that an hour of our real world time could have been months of training for them :) Just sayin :)

-Evangelo2

Screw you NBC for throwing total spoilers at us during the preview...i'm glad I watched about 5 seconds of it before I deleted it...STUPID STUPID TO SHOW:

what-his-face alive with Micha STUPID STUPID STUPID, screw you NBC

Great ep
All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!! I can't believe the 1st part of the "Seaon Fnale" like NBC is advertising was so darm good. At mid hour I was calling my friend to say the first have hour was good enough that even if the second half was not good it wouldn't matter. Was I ever wrong that second half was even better. This episode was so good that it might be hard to match it during the second hour. But I hope I am wrong about that too.
As for the preview there were 2 reveals but\ we know something that we really should not. However, we don't know the How? So it really doesn't ruin it that bad. I ould say watch it again, but from what I am reading only one was noticed.
OOps, I read on and there were three reveals. Do not watch it if you haven't already! The reveals do not bother me because it won't charge my enjoyment of the show. But reading this thread from the start it does bother a lot of people. Most of the time if they reveal something in shows like Lost, Heroes and 24 it is because the next problem trumps the current one.

I loved tonight's episode. Way to thin out a cast really quick. I only have a couple problems with the Linderman scene, though. Why didn't DL just phase Jessica, instead of stepping in front? Also, how on Earth did DL sneak behind Linderman when he was just shot?

Remember this, he loves Nikki with all his heart and heroes plays to the realism of this show despite the powers. In a seconds notice you are doing everything to save you love. it is easy to jump in front instead of grab her hand and focus on disappearing or fading(what ever you guys call DL's power)to let the bullet go through both of them. He did the fastest thing possible to save her.

Well that is one way to keep the payroll down. . . wack a few characters before the end of the season so that nobody gets to uppity during contract negotiations.
This show has a big cast, so each character is not making that much(for actors, it is still better then what some of us could make in a year whilc they work only 6 months at most). So cost doesn't become an issue in a shpow like this until the "STARS" get greedy. Even then a show like this can always make someone stronger or better then the guy that complained. Basic contracts are usually $2,500 to $5,000 per episode. Which is a good piecce of change, but not every cast member will get to be in all 23. While Heroes is high rated for NBC. It isn't at the point of cast rebellion staus for more money. Friends is the one that did it right. All six stayed unified to get more after season 1 and every2-3 years after that. . Bad example was ER and CSI. A couple of actors wanted more and the studio said maybe we can talk later, but what they ment is "we are writing you out of the show".

The studio with hits, like Heroes usually rework contracts so they reward the actors. But not all studios do this.

I could be wrong... but this episode almost seemed to be setting up Hiro for a fall next week in the finale. The parable from his youth, and his close friendship with Ando... starting to make me think they could be setting up for Hiro to give his life to save his friend. Would definately be a bold move if they did that given Hiro's popularity.


I was thinking the other way- that Hiro would have to sacrifice Ando in order to kill Sylar.

I was thinking the other way- that Hiro would have to sacrifice Ando in order to kill Sylar.
My take as well. In a certain sense, Ando IS Hiro's 'heart'. Hiro is simply too popular, and therefore too important for the show to ditch or place on hiatus. He is, however, very susceptible to 'Peter Syndrome", and may assume a lower profile role by perhaps Season 3.

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refelction of him as a youth.

But do you think it has anything to do with his power/ability or was it just him reflecting on his past life and what he use to be?

Damn, they were dropping like flies tonight. Great setup for the finale. I just hope Round 3 of the Peter-Sylar standoff actually amounts to something worthwhile. Of course, I have the feeling just as they are about to go at it, Peter loses control and blows.

Now for the questions.

1) What ability does Sylar have that makes him disappear the way he can? We've seen him do that when Parkman cornered him after he tried to get Molly and now again tonight.

The problem with Sylar is that he has a history that we do not know about. I think the FBI mentioned in the early episode when Parkman saved the little girl how many deaths have had a Sylar style killing(off with you head and gimme the brain.) Plus, when Mohinder learned how to get a list of Heroes he said that a lot of them have died, it is a good assumption that Sylar had a lot to do with some of them. These are all powers that we do not know he has.

2) Is D.L. actually dead and if so that brings up another question. If the future we saw a couple of episodes ago is on course to take place, then where did Sylar get his ability from?

This can not be answered, because I saw the preview. They showed something but I can't reveal what it was. So flip a coin and guess and see if you are right next week.

Now for the two problems I had with tonight's show.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.

I was saying that also, but it is true that he could have went back in time or stopped time and held on to his father so they can train. Anther Idea is that maybe he did train a little when he was younger but gave it up when he grew up and it is like a bicycle, you never unlearn but you have to practice again to get it right. His Father was just showing him how to bring on the rage by making him remember that story.

2) Peter saying he doesn't think he can take Sylar really annoyed me. Hello, you can do as much as he can, even more. Just don't turn around like an idiot when glass shards are poised to fly at you.

Not true, see above. Sylar is much more powerfull than Peter. Plus he only knows the powers that he sees someone use or the powers that we saw him gain. The meet with Ted is special because Ted has a lot of Rage so that probably transfered to Peter also which is why it flared up so fast. Never mind the fact that Sylar has killed Peter twice. Why would he think he could beat him? This is not annoying just true fear on Peter's behalf.

One of Sylar's powers could be the power of distraction - making people turn and look the other way. This could also explain why the glass hit Peter in the back of the head.

But he has to know that anything Sylar can do, he can do as well. Plus, he has other abilites that Sylar doesn't. If I were face to face with my clone and had more knowledge than he did, I wouldn't be scared to go toe-to-toe with him. What can my less than equal do to me that I can't do right back to him?
But you do not know more than him. Sure Peter can heal, but Sylar masters all his opowers and Peter doesn't know what he has untill he uses it. So if he can throw object the objects will fly and hit him and probably knock him out before Pete is able to use them. Say Sylar has the abilty to throw fire. Peter will get crispy before he will be able to react and use that power. So what ever happens he will always be 2 steps behind Sylar. It will take Sylar a few minutes to go nuclear so Peter can now do what he was going to have Claire do to him. Get close to him and shoot him in the head.
Even though we have heard that Sylar will return next year with this show you really don't know. Because Malcom made it seem like he will be around next season, but as we know right now he is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!

great episode...counting the minutes to next weeks episode
9180 min as of 12pm. Keep counting. I am with you.

Even though we have heard that Sylar will return next year with this show you really don't know. Because Malcom made it seem like he will be around next season, but as we know right now he is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!
Until he HEALS, HEALS, HEALS. I think those two characters importance to the story are related. I'm guessing that when they started 'Heroes', Sylar was originally intended to be a one-season pony buying the farm at the end of this year, with Lindermann as the continuing ambiguous plotting presence in the background. I think that has changed, and we will see Sylar as more of a persistent Magneto-like character with his own evil brotherhood.

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Sylar has the unusual ability to understand how things work, including special abilities--that's his special ability. Since Peter absorbs special abilities, it stands to reason that Peter has that same ability now...doesn't it? Sylar still has to take a moment to get control of his new abilities (super hearing comes to mind) and so does Peter--he stopped the reaction he got from Ted--like he suddenly found the secret to how it worked. The problem is, Peter still doesn't know everything he's absorbed from Sylar...that and Peter isn't really a fighter yet, he has very little training to fall back on--he's mostly instinct. His abilities are impressive, but they don't seem to give him enough confidence...yet.

It seems DL and Jessica were almost engineered to produce Micah.
Still a fantastic eps if you just go along with it. Don't watch the previews cause those idiots always give away too much.

The problem about this is we now know Linderman set the events for the election Years ago and the starting point was by getteing 2 heroes together(Nikki & DL). The problem that I have is: How would he know what type of power the kid will have? Obviously he easily help Nathan win. However, is there some type of of genetic code that Linderman knows that can predict what powers one will have. It is knoiwn that Mohinder has a code to find Heroes, so it isn't that far fetched of an idea.

.....and we will see Sylar as more of a persistent Magneto-like character with his own evil brotherhood.
A one-man brotherhood-band? Sylar's strongest power is greed; he doesn't seem like the sharing type. Enthralled with his powers, he seems to ignore women. I'm not even sure they could use a non-mutant female to trap him.

HMM.....
Who exactly healed Flying-man's wife....
Since he is also lying next to DL ..... This could be the way both of them end up just fine ...

Luckily, now Peter can hear Sylar's thoughts. Peter can probably dodge whatever Sylar throws at him.

David

Another question is with Eric Roberts and Linderman now "dead" who is pulling the strings for the Company and is there any real reason for HRG to take out Molly now? Of course, he doesn't know about Thompson and Linderman's "deaths" yet...

Another question is with Eric Roberts and Linderman now "dead" who is pulling the strings for the Company and is there any real reason for HRG to take out Molly now? Of course, he doesn't know about Thompson and Linderman's "deaths" yet...

I'm pretty sure he knows about Thompson's death. HRG pulled the trigger.

A one-man brotherhood-band? Sylar's strongest power is greed; he doesn't seem like the sharing type. Enthralled with his powers, he seems to ignore women. I'm not even sure they could use a non-mutant female to trap him.
Who said anything about sharing? We're talking 'minions' here. Y'know other super-powered beings who follow the main super-villian not out of dreams of conquest, but to ensure their own survival.

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Another question is with Eric Roberts and Linderman now "dead" who is pulling the strings for the Company and is there any real reason for HRG to take out Molly now? Of course, he doesn't know about Thompson and Linderman's "deaths" yet...
mommy Petrelli is now going to run the Company.

HMM.....
Who exactly healed Flying-man's wife....
Since he is also lying next to DL ..... This could be the way both of them end up just fine ...
Linderman Healed his wife, but from what we know and have seen so far a shot to the head can not be healed, but wait. The fist was removed. Is Linderman''s power only projected or internal also? If internal he will be back.

Luckily, now Peter can hear Sylar's thoughts. Peter can probably dodge whatever Sylar throws at him.

David
You see here is a man that has a good insight. Didn't even think of that. Sylar probably thinks of each move before using it. I can't see him just using his hand and one of his powers work with out any thought at all.

Best answer to Peter & Sylar III. I heard that next weekend there is a PPV for the event. 24.95. Well worth it! :p :) ;)

Who said anything about sharing? We're talking 'minions' here. Y'know other super-powered beings who follow the main super-villian not out of dreams of conquest, but to ensure their own survival.

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The problem with that theory, like rezzy said, is Sylar's greed. He wouldn't want superpowered minions, he would just kill them and take their power.

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weird stuff....

1. Telekinesis. Why couldn't he just lift himself up with it?

Possible, but not likely. If he did that last night on the crowded street, I'm sure all those people standing around would have reacted. It was as if he just disappeared.

Not true, see above. Sylar is much more powerfull than Peter. Plus he only knows the powers that he sees someone use or the powers that we saw him gain. The meet with Ted is special because Ted has a lot of Rage so that probably transfered to Peter also which is why it flared up so fast. Never mind the fact that Sylar has killed Peter twice. Why would he think he could beat him? This is not annoying just true fear on Peter's behalf.
But you do not know more than him. Sure Peter can heal, but Sylar masters all his opowers and Peter doesn't know what he has untill he uses it. So if he can throw object the objects will fly and hit him and probably knock him out before Pete is able to use them. Say Sylar has the abilty to throw fire. Peter will get crispy before he will be able to react and use that power. So what ever happens he will always be 2 steps behind Sylar. It will take Sylar a few minutes to go nuclear so Peter can now do what he was going to have Claire do to him. Get close to him and shoot him in the head.
Even though we have heard that Sylar will return next year with this show you really don't know. Because Malcom made it seem like he will be around next season, but as we know right now he is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!

The problem I have is sure, maybe Sylar is more in control of his powers, but there is one main difference between the two. Peter can regenerate, Sylar cannot. Sylar can throw everything at Peter, including the kitchen sink, but as long as he doesn't get something in the back of his head, he can just keep coming until he catches Sylar and snaps his neck or something. Game over.

Possible, but not likely. If he did that last night on the crowded street, I'm sure all those people standing around would have reacted. It was as if he just disappeared.




The problem I have is sure, maybe Sylar is more in control of his powers, but there is one main difference between the two. Peter can regenerate, Sylar cannot. Sylar can throw everything at Peter, including the kitchen sink, but as long as he doesn't get something in the back of his head, he can just keep coming until he catches Sylar and snaps his neck or something. Game over.
But even if Peter heals himself. It isn't a quick heal if he gets knocked out. Do you really think Sylar just continues to go boom? no, he takes Peter's powers which will have him almost immortal. Then go boom and guess what he gets to heal his own self after boom, if everything follows this path.

My favorite line(s) tonight:
What am I thinking now Parkman?
Your last thought.

:D
Nah, I'd vote for Jessica's line to Parkman, as she flashed her coquettish smile:

"Didn't I throw you out of a window, once?" :D

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However, once Peter is in Sylar's presence, he will absorb whatever he has, so, technically, Peter should be the stronger one if he is able to tap into all the powers.

The show has been sort of ambiguous when it comes to Peter's absorption of powers. If I'm not mistaken, he absorbed Sylar's telekinesis power, but none of Sylar's other powers. How come sometimes he involuntarily takes on a power, such as Ted's nuclear power, but then doesn't take on another power such as Sylar's super hearing? You'd think that the instant he got close to Sylar, everything would get really loud. Also, Peter met Hiro, so he should be able to control time.

But even if Peter heals himself. It isn't a quick heal if he gets knocked out. Do you really think Sylar just continues to go boom? no, he takes Peter's powers which will have him almost immortal. Then go boom and guess what he gets to heal his own self after boom, if everything follows this path.

I'm not sure why everyone assumes that Peter or Sylar would need to use a healing power if they "exploded." Ted's power has been consistently shown as not injuring him when it is used. For instance, after Sylar kills Ted and learns his power, we see Sylar practicing the power by producing small explosions out of his hands. Clearly his hands haven't been vaporized or otherwise injured at all. The "explosion" is just the same exact thing on a much larger scale. Peter or Sylar do not actually "blow up" into a million different pieces, they simply expel a huge amount of nuclear energy outward from themselves. Ted has clearly shown that he is impervious to radiation as well because he hasn't been affected at all by radiation poisoning even though his wife died from it.

P.S. For the sake of argument, assume I'm wrong and the person exploding is not impervious to the explosion. That person would be instantly vaporized and no healing power would be able to bring them back.

The show has been sort of ambiguous when it comes to Peter's absorption of powers. If I'm not mistaken, he absorbed Sylar's telekinesis power, but none of Sylar's other powers. How come sometimes he involuntarily takes on a power, such as Ted's nuclear power, but then doesn't take on another power such as Sylar's super hearing? You'd think that the instant he got close to Sylar, everything would get really loud. Also, Peter met Hiro, so he should be able to control time.

They have stated that Peter does absorb ALL of Sylar's power. As we have said over and over again. Peter just doesn't know he has the power until he calls it forth by remember how he felt, etc. He has the super hearing power, the way it works in Peter is he has to call forth how he felt about it and then that power is available to him, they are not always on as in other heroes (like Sylar and the others). His DNA resequences itself so he can use the power.

I'm not sure why everyone assumes that Peter or Sylar would need to use a healing power if they "exploded." Ted's power has been consistently shown as not injuring him when it is used. For instance, after Sylar kills Ted and learns his power, we see Sylar practicing the power by producing small explosions out of his hands. Clearly his hands haven't been vaporized or otherwise injured at all. The "explosion" is just the same exact thing on a much larger scale. Peter or Sylar do not actually "blow up" into a million different pieces, they simply expel a huge amount of nuclear energy outward from themselves. Ted has clearly shown that he is impervious to radiation as well because he hasn't been affected at all by radiation poisoning even though his wife died from it.

P.S. For the sake of argument, assume I'm wrong and the person exploding is not impervious to the explosion. That person would be instantly vaporized and no healing power would be able to bring them back.

Exactly, when he incinerated Claire's house he was fine. When he blew up that FBI van he was okay. He hasn't gotten radiation poisoning like his wife, and the online comics show him going nuclear in the desert and he is fine.

Linderman Healed his wife, but from what we know and have seen so far a shot to the head can not be healed, but wait. The fist was removed. Is Linderman''s power only projected or internal also? If internal he will be back.
Didn't Linderman say his power was that he could heal others, but that he could not heal himself?

OTOH, Linderman being killed by a dangerous, ex-con "mutant" seems like a good catalyst for legislation calling for rounding up all these dangerous mutants--maybe something called the "Linderman Act"...

~Dan

They have stated that Peter does absorb ALL of Sylar's power. As we have said over and over again. Peter just doesn't know he has the power until he calls it forth by remember how he felt, etc. He has the super hearing power, the way it works in Peter is he has to call forth how he felt about it and then that power is available to him, they are not always on as in other heroes (like Sylar and the others). His DNA resequences itself so he can use the power.

Peter only has to "call forth" a power when he is no longer in the proximity of the hero with that power. When he is in the proximity of the hero with the power, he automatically will use that power without thinking about it. This has been shown repeatedly over and over throughout the show. When he first met Claire and healed himself, it happened automatically. When he first met Isaac, he was able to paint the future automatically. When he was around his brother, he flew (actually he really only elevated) without thinking about it. The invisible man taught him that he can still use those powers later on because his body "remembers" them. The method he uses to "call forth" the powers is to associate the emotional feeling he had when he first absorbed the power. None of this applies to the situation where he is actually in proximity with the hero who has the power. If the show was consistent, Peter should erupt like the fourth of July when he comes into contact with Sylar, because he would be suddenly absorbing all of the powers (and using them uncontrollably if he had not previously learned how to control them all).

When you said that "they have stated that Peter does absorb ALL of Sylar's powers" are you referring to the characters in the show conjecturing about that (which should be given no weight) or did the writers say something about this?

I'm not sure why everyone assumes that Peter or Sylar would need to use a healing power if they "exploded." Ted's power has been consistently shown as not injuring him when it is used. For instance, after Sylar kills Ted and learns his power, we see Sylar practicing the power by producing small explosions out of his hands. Clearly his hands haven't been vaporized or otherwise injured at all. The "explosion" is just the same exact thing on a much larger scale. Peter or Sylar do not actually "blow up" into a million different pieces, they simply expel a huge amount of nuclear energy outward from themselves. Ted has clearly shown that he is impervious to radiation as well because he hasn't been affected at all by radiation poisoning even though his wife died from it.

P.S. For the sake of argument, assume I'm wrong and the person exploding is not impervious to the explosion. That person would be instantly vaporized and no healing power would be able to bring them back.
To anser both your questions, (really ides). Peter absorbs all powers but he doesn't use what he doesn't know he has. (easiest explanation for that one. Ted might always survive the blast he caused, but they are at a much smaller rate. The person who blows up NY will have to generate 10x or 100x the boom that Ted ever has showed us or used. But I think like Ted they will live but they wouldn't escape unharmed.

Didn't Linderman say his power was that he could heal others, but that he could not heal himself?

OTOH, Linderman being killed by a dangerous, ex-con "mutant" seems like a good catalyst for legislation calling for rounding up all these dangerous mutants--maybe something called the "Linderman Act"...

~Dan

That's a great point. Reminds me of the "Brady Bill" The more I think about this show, the more I think that the events that have been shown to occur in the "future" episode cannot be changed and everything will happen the same exact way. I don't think anything has happened in the last two episodes that would conflict with the "future" episode. It's almost like the "future" episode was simply a sneak peek at an episode from the third season, and the second season will simply be getting us to that point, and then at some point in the future the show will start back up again at the point where the "future" episode left off.

I'm also still waiting for the show to reveal who the "bad" heroes from the original gang of heroes are that supposedly "lost their way." Linderman and Peter's mom have both mentioned these bad heros, but they've never been revealed. The story will likely turn to this group as the next villians if and when Sylar wears out his welcome.

Peter absorbs all powers but he doesn't use what he doesn't know he has.

My previous post demonstrated that this is incorrect. Peter used the healing ability he absorbed from Claire (when he first met her) without any idea that he had the ability to heal.

I will welcome any explanations that resolve this example with the quoted statement.

My previous post demonstrated that this is incorrect. Peter used the healing ability he absorbed from Claire (when he first met her) without any idea that he had the ability to heal.

I will welcome any explanations that resolve this example with the quoted statement.

I assume you're talking of the time Claude threw Peter off the roof. On his way down, he thought about Claire, and thus was able to heal himself. When he thought of his brother, he was able to fly. And so on.

They have stated that Peter does absorb ALL of Sylar's power. As we have said over and over again. Peter just doesn't know he has the power until he calls it forth by remember how he felt, etc. He has the super hearing power, the way it works in Peter is he has to call forth how he felt about it and then that power is available to him, they are not always on as in other heroes (like Sylar and the others). His DNA resequences itself so he can use the power.
Peter wasn't using the super hearing power. Only Sylar has that. He has the mind reading power. If you watch again I think he says we have to go because I heard Sylar was near. Do you really think saylar was talking loud to himself?
Peter would not know that Sylar has this power, so he wouldn't be able to use it. But William, they only problem I have is the fact that Peter absorbed Ted's Power and had troublem controlling it at first. What I am pointing out with this is because of that the writers have a serious problem. They really need to explain his power more, because that "mimic idea has a lot of holes in it. Which will lead us to non-stop theories about him, whcih can be right or wrong or a little of both. When he met Parkman he started hearing his thoughts right away. He has faced Sylar twice, why didn't his powers autmatically start happening. But then when he meets TED the first time he immediately starts being radioactive. You see what I am getting at the inconsistencies of Peter Petrelli's Mimicing skills. Sure the "he needs to know the power to use it" crowd sounds good and I am one of them, but why was he able to absorb Claire's, Parkman, Nathan's, Isaac's & Invisble man's Powers, But why not Hiro's? Why not Sylar's? It isn't like he can pick and choose which one he gets to use at first, because all the gained powers came to use automatically.

How about that? Now we will really get this thread rumbling.

I assume you're talking of the time Claude threw Peter off the roof. On his way down, he thought about Claire, and thus was able to heal himself. When he thought of his brother, he was able to fly. And so on.

Nope, I'm talking about the first time Peter met Claire, right after his first encounter with Sylar outside of the prom in Texas.

Nope, I'm talking about the first time Peter met Claire, right after his first encounter with Sylar outside of the prom in Texas.

Peter's use of his powers started out as a subconscious reaction caused by necessity. His conscious control over the powers has increased as the show has progressed. He doesn't need to know some of his powers to use them, but it stands to reason that he may have powers that he doesn't know about yet.

I've thought about Peter's powers a bit more, and I think the apparent randomness about when he absorbs a power and when he doesn't can be explained if you classify the hero's powers into two groups. The "Automatic" powers happen without any proactive thought by the hero's. For example, Claire's body automatically heals an injury without Claire having to affirmatively think about it. In fact, the automatic powers, such as super hearing, usually require concentration to control, rather than to use. Conversely, the "Proactive" powers usually require mental concentration to use. For example, Nathan's power of flight requires him to actually concentrate on flying. Another proactive power is Hiro's time control. So, when Peter comes into contact with a hero with an Automatic power, it should immediately manifest itself. If Peter comes into contact with a hero with a Proactive power, it should not manifest itself unless Peter knows he can use it by trying to immitate the power.

This still not does not resolve the inconsistancy where (if it true that Peter absorbs ALL of Sylar's powers) Peter should have immediately had really sensitive hearing when he came into contact with Sylar (fight # 2) because that is an automatic power that takes concentration to control, not to use.

Peter's use of his powers started out as a subconscious reaction caused by necessity. His conscious control over the powers has increased as the show has progressed. He doesn't need to know some of his powers to use them, but it stands to reason that he may have powers that he doesn't know about yet.

For the sake of keeping this little discussion on point, when we are discussing Peter's absorption of powers, we are talking about the limited period of time when Peter is in close proximity to the hero with the power. We ARE NOT DISCUSSING PETER'S LATER USE OF POWERS AFTER HE HAS ABSORBED THEM.

There is clearly a difference between when Peter is actually next to the hero with the power, and later on when he has to somehow figure out how to use the powers he absorbed outside the presence of the hero with that power.

For the sake of keeping this little discussion on point, when we are discussing Peter's absorption of powers, we are talking about the limited period of time when Peter is in close proximity to the hero with the power. We ARE NOT DISCUSSING PETER'S LATER USE OF POWERS AFTER HE HAS ABSORBED THEM.

There is clearly a difference between when Peter is actually next to the hero with the power, and later on when he has to somehow figure out how to use the powers he absorbed outside the presence of the hero with that power.
First off, I still maintain that there is some other element going on with the way that Peter's powers work than any of us have yet to fully realize.

But separate and apart from that, I think there is another aspect to his access and use of powers that has not been fully considered yet, and that is how familiar the 'original Hero' is with his own power and how well he can control them. This could certainly address the distinctions some are drawing with regard to Peter's abilities with those same powers.

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Heroes DVD Update:

High-Def Digest

"Heroes: Season One' Coming to HD DVD This August
Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:31 PM ET
Tags: Disc Announcements, TV on High-Def (all tags)

Get ready to "Save the cheerleader, save the world" in high-def late this summer, when Universal Studios Home Entertainment unleashes 'Heroes: Season One' on HD DVD.

The break-out superhero series has been one of the few bright spots for beleaguered NBC this year, where it quickly amassed a huge cult following that should devour the show in high-def.

Tailor-made for HD DVD, Universal will give the show the full box set treatment on August 28, with a seven-disc set expected to include plenty of extras.

Though the studio has not yet released any tech or supplemental details, recent public comments from the show's creators indicate some fun goodies should be in store for fans.

No list price has been set, either, but we'll keep you posted."

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Chance favors the prepared mind

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First off, I still maintain that there is some other element going on with the way that Peter's powers work than any of us have yet to fully realize.

But separate and apart from that, I think there is another aspect to his access and use of powers that has not been fully considered yet, and that is how familiar the 'original Hero' is with his own power and how well he can control them. This could certainly address the distinctions some are drawing with regard to Peter's abilities with those same powers.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

That's a fair point.

On a completely separate topic, did anyone notice that Micah was visibly fatigued after using his power to rig the election. I can't remember any other instance where the use of a power appeared to fatigue a hero.

That's a fair point.

On a completely separate topic, did anyone notice that Micah was visibly fatigued after using his power to rig the election. I can't remember any other instance where the use of a power appeared to fatigue a hero.
There was the part where Peter was overwhelmed with the whole mind reading thing. He couldn't control it and it put him into a coma. Of course, the fall from the stadium might have had an affect as well.

Also, every time Hiro uses his powers, he fatigues the blood vessels in his brain. Looks like the poor guy is trying to pinch a loaf. ;)

I thought Micah got tired after his ATM-withdrawal also, but I could be remembering wrong.

Ando's meat. The whole parable about the Kensai and the dragon was easy to translate. Ando is Hiro's heart, and Hiro will have to choose between his death or the death of millions.

Now for the two problems I had with tonight's show.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.
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Greg Beeman addresses this question in his latest commentary:

I remember the only scene that worried me was the one where Kaito trains Hiro to be a swordsman. I was worried that it would seem foolish that Hiro learned so much in just a few hours. Nobody else was worried about this; they told me that as long as it came of magical it would be fine. Still I worried about it. The scene was just Masi and 60+ year old (? I think) George Takei bashing each other with Samurai swords. After some heated debate, the idea sprung up to add the story of Kensei and the Dragon, and layer two aspects of this. One Hiro’s memories of being a boy, playing with his toy knights and dragons while his father read. The other was to pan across picture books of the story. The art department created the picture book. Jesse and I sat with Ruth Amon, and we i.d’ed the key moments of the story. I actually did some rough sketches of the illustrations and Ruth got an in-house artist (the same one who painted the tapestry in episode 12) to do the books. They were all done in four days and I think they look beautiful. Then, George and Masi got together with a swordmaster/stuntman (a guy who’d worked on THE LAST SAMAURAI.) We all spent an afternoon together working about the dramatic beats of the fight, and then George and Masi went off to practice. It was amazing, Masi got it right away. It’s complicated, sword fighting, kind of like a dance routine. And George has an amazingly strong will. He memorized and willed himself to do the routine. On the day we shot we had two stunt doubles standing by. We never used Masi’s once, and George’s is used only a few times in the very wide shoots.

continued at http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/


So there is no reason Hiro learns so quickly, it's just down to the whether the audience buys the magic or not.

Ando's meat. The whole parable about the Kensai and the dragon was easy to translate. Ando is Hiro's heart, and Hiro will have to choose between his death or the death of millions.


I agree. I was angry after the story because we've waited all of this time for next week and they gave away the most important part of the season before it happened.

Ando being Hiro's heart was given away in the episode about the future.

Had Hiro and his Dad done this scene earlier in the season we may not have figured it out. but to do this a week before the finale is crazy.

I'm afraid that they'll end the episode as a cliff-hanger for next season.

I'm also still waiting for the show to reveal who the "bad" heroes from the original gang of heroes are that supposedly "lost their way." Linderman and Peter's mom have both mentioned these bad heros, but they've never been revealed. The story will likely turn to this group as the next villians if and when Sylar wears out his welcome.

Linderman and Momma-Petrelli are pretty sure their's is the right course, but that doesn't make them the Good Guys. Remember, they're willing to let 8 million people die to prove their point.

We've already met the next group of "villians": Peter, Claire, HRG, Hiro and HIRO'S FATHER! These are the Good Guys who will have to go up against the evil Linderman-Petrelli axis...I'm quite convinced that the Linderman-Petrelli axis is the break-away group Mr. Nakamura told Hiro about...

Anyway, I hope I'm right, because this would ensure a continuing role for George Takei (hopefully, they don't kill him off--nobody seems safe on this show. OH, MY!!!)

~Dan

I have to disagree with many regarding Linderman's death.

So many shows, once someone has the "Ring Leader" in death's hands, they tend to talk to them, or ask questions, or turn around....something that distracts them so the "Ring Leader" can either kill THEM or escape.

I loved how DL's hand came from nowhere and just DID THE DEED!!!!! That was realistic to me. No pussyfooting around...just do it. Actually, one of my favorite parts of last nights show as it didn't go 'corny' on us. Same way when HRG shot Eric. No stopping and saying "put the gun down" or "We won't let you do this anymore" ....just "Your Last Thoughts" and BAM!!!!

Greg Beeman addresses this question in his latest commentary:

I remember the only scene that worried me was the one where Kaito trains Hiro to be a swordsman. I was worried that it would seem foolish that Hiro learned so much in just a few hours. Nobody else was worried about this; they told me that as long as it came of magical it would be fine. Still I worried about it. The scene was just Masi and 60+ year old (? I think) George Takei bashing each other with Samurai swords. After some heated debate, the idea sprung up to add the story of Kensei and the Dragon, and layer two aspects of this. One Hiro’s memories of being a boy, playing with his toy knights and dragons while his father read. The other was to pan across picture books of the story. The art department created the picture book. Jesse and I sat with Ruth Amon, and we i.d’ed the key moments of the story. I actually did some rough sketches of the illustrations and Ruth got an in-house artist (the same one who painted the tapestry in episode 12) to do the books. They were all done in four days and I think they look beautiful. Then, George and Masi got together with a swordmaster/stuntman (a guy who’d worked on THE LAST SAMAURAI.) We all spent an afternoon together working about the dramatic beats of the fight, and then George and Masi went off to practice. It was amazing, Masi got it right away. It’s complicated, sword fighting, kind of like a dance routine. And George has an amazingly strong will. He memorized and willed himself to do the routine. On the day we shot we had two stunt doubles standing by. We never used Masi’s once, and George’s is used only a few times in the very wide shoots.

continued at http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/


So there is no reason Hiro learns so quickly, it's just down to the whether the audience buys the magic or not.

You can probably learn a lot about using a sword in only a few hours if you are young and healthy. You just have to make sure not to try and use it against a trained swordsman. ;)

But in the 21st century battling against other super powered mutants that's maybe unlikely anyway, especially since we've seen nobody else in the show with any interest in carrying or using a sword.

- Tom

I have to disagree with many regarding Linderman's death.

So many shows, once someone has the "Ring Leader" in death's hands, they tend to talk to them, or ask questions, or turn around....something that distracts them so the "Ring Leader" can either kill THEM or escape.

I loved how DL's hand came from nowhere and just DID THE DEED!!!!! That was realistic to me. No pussyfooting around...just do it. Actually, one of my favorite parts of last nights show as it didn't go 'corny' on us. Same way when HRG shot Eric. No stopping and saying "put the gun down" or "We won't let you do this anymore" ....just "Your Last Thoughts" and BAM!!!!

It made a good line but even that much conversation at that point was foolish and risky. He could equally well have delivered those lines after shooting with a bunch less risk.

I wonder how many people have died in similar situations because they paused to say "I told you so". ;)

- Tom

My crazy theory of the moment...

Keep in mind that while what I am speculating is possible... there is nothing official from anywhere to say this is true, but the show supports the possibility.

How about... Linderman is Nathan's father, not that far-fetched given Claire's power is similar to grandpa Linderman's if true... this has been speculated too.

BUT... Linderman is not Peter's father. Rather, Peter's father is the guy we have never seen, the one only talked about... AND, the kicker to my wild-guess theory... Peter's father is also Sylar's father, so they are brothers with a different mother. This is why they have similar but different powers... most of their power comes somehow from their father's DNA, but the slight difference comes from the mother.

As crazy theories go... not completely off the track.

My crazy theory of the moment...

Keep in mind that while what I am speculating is possible... there is nothing official from anywhere to say this is true, but the show supports the possibility.

How about... Linderman is Nathan's father, not that far-fetched given Claire's power is similar to grandpa Linderman's if true... this has been speculated too.

BUT... Linderman is not Peter's father. Rather, Peter's father is the guy we have never seen, the one only talked about... AND, the kicker to my wild-guess theory... Peter's father is also Sylar's father, so they are brothers with a different mother. This is why they have similar but different powers... most of their power comes somehow from their father's DNA, but the slight difference comes from the mother.

As crazy theories go... not completely off the track.



On this show, anything is plausible. I also contend, that this not a recent phenomina. It would appear that the "Hero" gene is latent in everybody & that there has been a generations long selective breeding program, which leads me to my larger point.

I still think that both parents are "Heroes" (whethere we get shown that or not) & some society (Bilderberger's *) have been waiting hundreds of years for this very moment. I


On a side note, it would not surprise me if Mrs Petrelli can not walk anymore.






* j/k

Peter wasn't using the super hearing power. Only Sylar has that. He has the mind reading power. If you watch again I think he says we have to go because I heard Sylar was near. Do you really think saylar was talking loud to himself?
Peter would not know that Sylar has this power, so he wouldn't be able to use it. But William, they only problem I have is the fact that Peter absorbed Ted's Power and had troublem controlling it at first. What I am pointing out with this is because of that the writers have a serious problem. They really need to explain his power more, because that "mimic idea has a lot of holes in it. Which will lead us to non-stop theories about him, whcih can be right or wrong or a little of both. When he met Parkman he started hearing his thoughts right away. He has faced Sylar twice, why didn't his powers autmatically start happening. But then when he meets TED the first time he immediately starts being radioactive. You see what I am getting at the inconsistencies of Peter Petrelli's Mimicing skills. Sure the "he needs to know the power to use it" crowd sounds good and I am one of them, but why was he able to absorb Claire's, Parkman, Nathan's, Isaac's & Invisble man's Powers, But why not Hiro's? Why not Sylar's? It isn't like he can pick and choose which one he gets to use at first, because all the gained powers came to use automatically.

How about that? Now we will really get this thread rumbling.

Peter doesn't always suddenly use a Hero's power. When he first was around his brother, he didn't suddenly take off into the air flying. He couldn't even do it himself until he realized how to call forth emotions to then call forth that power. When Peter first got telekenisis he didn't suddenly start flinging things around a room. He didn't even know he had it until Claude started hitting him with that stick and it made him angry, he called it forth for the first time.


I never said Peter used super hearing, I said he does have it though since he was around Sylar. His DNA knows how to duplicate the power, he just has to focus on it, call forth the emotion (he is an EMPATH as stated by Claude), and then he can duplicate the power. Since he doesn't know he has super hearing or that cold power, he doesn't know how to focus his empathic power because he doesn't know he even absorbed it. Once he knows, or calls it forth accidently (i.e. TK) then he knows how to get it again.

Claire's power is listed as spontanous regeneration. That is why he regenerated when he as dead, he didn't have to focus on it, it is spontanous.

Also, the show's writers and Mr. Kring said that Peter absorbs ALL of Sylar's powers.

How about... Linderman is Nathan's father, not that far-fetched given Claire's power is similar to grandpa Linderman's if true... this has been speculated too.

BUT... Linderman is not Peter's father. Rather, Peter's father is the guy we have never seen, the one only talked about... AND, the kicker to my wild-guess theory... Peter's father is also Sylar's father, so they are brothers with a different mother. This is why they have similar but different powers... most of their power comes somehow from their father's DNA, but the slight difference comes from the mother.


Don't think so. In the comics, Linderman and Papa Patrelli have not seen each other for years when Linderman suddenly drops by for a chat (to try to recruit Patrelli to the Cause). There's at least one baby playing on the floor. Now, assuming Nathan is older than Peter (all indications are that Peter is the kid brother), that would necessitate Nathan being fully Patrelli. It does leave open the possibility that Peter is half-Linderman.

One thing that has not been established, I don't think, is whether it takes both parents having powers to have offspring with them, or just one. There was no indication in the comics that Papa Patrelli (or Mama, for that matter) have any powers.

More proof that Peter has a lot more powers and absorbs them just being around people. There was a Q&A with one of the show's producer/writers on-line where people asked questsions. Here is one of them:

A whole load of people asked this question, but Hugo from Canada asked it best. "Peter met Eden in Mohinder's apartment back in episode 4, 'Collision.' Is it safe to assume that he absorbed her power even though she never used it in front of him? Furthermore, will Peter ever learn what Eden's power was, and therefore be able to use it himself?" We'll add that it certainly seems like that power could come in handy if you need to get some other powered figure under control.

It certainly would. Peter definitely would have Eden's ability in his arsenal , but he only met her briefly and even then, didn't know she had the ability. However, if Peter ever had an opportunity to sit down with Suresh, Peter might learn about a lot of different abilities he might be able to access . That is, if Peter is going to meet up with Suresh.

Two quick questions that quite honestly I don't feel like looking back through 138 pages in hopes of finding.

1) What exactly was Sylar's original power, before starting to take on others?
2) What power is it that he uses to cut people's heads open?

In that Q&A they also mention the part about Mohindar and the continuity problems with him and his sister and the different dates of her death. She said they basically messed up and didn't catch it.

They also said that what Candice was saying in the last episode was hints at how she truly looks and what you see is not the true Candice.

Also, a huge question solved, they said that the reason Hiro's time stop suddenly ended when he was with Sylar and touched him with the sword was that Hiro was so nervous at the prospect of killing someone he lost concentration and that is why the time stop was ended.

Entire Q&A here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10548

TONS of answers to speculation and they set a lot of things straight. I highly recommend it. There are no spoilers of what is coming, just answers to questions and speculation to set people straight on their vision and how things are working. Very interesting read.

Two quick questions that quite honestly I don't feel like looking back through 138 pages in hopes of finding.

1) What exactly was Sylar's original power, before starting to take on others?
2) What power is it that he uses to cut people's heads open?
He can "see" how things work and fix them. So he can see the difference in DNA in the new heroes. I'm guessing how he adapts himself to mimic the powers of others is part of his power as well.

As for 2, I'm pretty sure that's just telekinesis.

Two quick questions that quite honestly I don't feel like looking back through 138 pages in hopes of finding.

1) What exactly was Sylar's original power, before starting to take on others?
2) What power is it that he uses to cut people's heads open?

1. The ability to figure out how something works and fix it. So he looks at their brain and figures out how it is "wired" to do what it does and he can then fix his brain to do the same thing.

2. I believe it is just telekinesis, focused into a thin line.

My crazy theory of the moment...

Keep in mind that while what I am speculating is possible... there is nothing official from anywhere to say this is true, but the show supports the possibility.

How about... Linderman is Nathan's father, not that far-fetched given Claire's power is similar to grandpa Linderman's if true... this has been speculated too.

BUT... Linderman is not Peter's father. Rather, Peter's father is the guy we have never seen, the one only talked about... AND, the kicker to my wild-guess theory... Peter's father is also Sylar's father, so they are brothers with a different mother. This is why they have similar but different powers... most of their power comes somehow from their father's DNA, but the slight difference comes from the mother.

As crazy theories go... not completely off the track.
That is not a crazy theory. A few people including myself have already been thinking Lindermnan is the baby's daddy to Nathan. I went as far as saying Peter might be also. This is why she is so tight with Lindermann. If you remember Lindermann said Daddy Petrelli was considered a weak man, which lead to his death.

Peter doesn't always suddenly use a Hero's power. When he first was around his brother, he didn't suddenly take off into the air flying. He couldn't even do it himself until he realized how to call forth emotions to then call forth that power. When Peter first got telekenisis he didn't suddenly start flinging things around a room. He didn't even know he had it until Claude started hitting him with that stick and it made him angry, he called it forth for the first time.


I never said Peter used super hearing, I said he does have it though since he was around Sylar. His DNA knows how to duplicate the power, he just has to focus on it, call forth the emotion (he is an EMPATH as stated by Claude), and then he can duplicate the power. Since he doesn't know he has super hearing or that cold power, he doesn't know how to focus his empathic power because he doesn't know he even absorbed it. Once he knows, or calls it forth accidently (i.e. TK) then he knows how to get it again.

Claire's power is listed as spontanous regeneration. That is why he regenerated when he as dead, he didn't have to focus on it, it is spontanous.

Also, the show's writers and Mr. Kring said that Peter absorbs ALL of Sylar's powers.
But that is my problem why do some powers control or show him right away., but other powers he can use at his discretion. The super hearing was automatic for Sylar once he ate, or took the genetice part of the brain that gives power, we still don't know what he does. However, Peter should be able to have that extra hearing ability and it should be driving him crazy, but they do not give us any dialog or images that Sylars powers are messing up Peter's everyday activities. When he got Nathans Power, he basically had to kill himself (jump off a roof)to get it. He jumped off the roof, then Nathan saved him which finally gave hm the power. But, why is everybody forgiving this inconsistency?Or just dismissing it so freely. He should be going through every pain that Sylar probably had with some of the new powers he has obtained.

But that is my problem why do some powers control or show him right away., but other powers he can use at his discretion. The super hearing was automatic for Sylar once he ate, or took the genetice part of the brain that gives power, we still don't know what he does. However, Peter should be able to have that extra hearing ability and it should be driving him crazy, but they do not give us any dialog or images that Sylars powers are messing up Peter's everyday activities. When he got Nathans Power, he basically had to kill himself (jump off a roof)to get it. He jumped off the roof, then Nathan saved him which finally gave hm the power. But, why is everybody forgiving this inconsistency?Or just dismissing it so freely. He should be going through every pain that Sylar probably had with some of the new powers he has obtained.
Or maybe Peter is just stronger/better at the power control than Sylar. Also it's possible that the powers simply lie dormant until called upon.

Why is this such a big deal?

But that is my problem why do some powers control or show him right away., but other powers he can use at his discretion. The super hearing was automatic for Sylar once he ate, or took the genetice part of the brain that gives power, we still don't know what he does. However, Peter should be able to have that extra hearing ability and it should be driving him crazy, but they do not give us any dialog or images that Sylars powers are messing up Peter's everyday activities. When he got Nathans Power, he basically had to kill himself (jump off a roof)to get it. He jumped off the roof, then Nathan saved him which finally gave hm the power. But, why is everybody forgiving this inconsistency?Or just dismissing it so freely. He should be going through every pain that Sylar probably had with some of the new powers he has obtained.

A lot of stuff isn't explained in the tv show, some of it's in the online comics as well.

Sylar eats the brain, and Sylar has the ability to know exactly how the power works. He has a gift for analysis in a sense. He knows how things work, so he can exploit the powers to their full potential, although he does struggle with coping with things like superhearing.

I think it's a given that a show like Heroes isn't going to be anywhere near airtight as far as plot holes goes though.

However, I'll say that Peter's power in the beginning of the show was only AWAKENING at the time. His power was dormant for a long time before it started awakening. So in the beginning, even though he absorbed Nathan's power, he couldn't call it forth. Only in a desperate moment was he able to summon it (when Nathan caught him, lost his grip, and Peter "flew" according to Nathan at the hospital). Nathan saving him didn't give him the power at all. Just being around Nathan in the first place was enough. He already started having dreams about flying, which I suppose was his unconscious/superconscious mind telling him he had that ability now. There are a couple of powers/incidents Peter has that aren't explained though. For instance, his vision of the explosion, his vision of Sylar in jail, etc.

His superhearing power should have come naturally though, and I agree that's weird he didn't pick up on it before, nor did he have a difficult time coping with it. I don't think Peter even knows half the powers he has, which is his real weakness. I also think that it was Sylar's presence in his vicinity that "awakened" his dormant potential for superhearing, and thus he could hear Sylar at that time even though he had no clue he actually HAD that power. Basically that superhearing aspect was absorbed by him, but he didn't know about its existence, and it lay dormant until something could trigger it.

In that Q&A they also mention the part about Mohindar and the continuity problems with him and his sister and the different dates of her death. She said they basically messed up and didn't catch it.

They also said that what Candice was saying in the last episode was hints at how she truly looks and what you see is not the true Candice.

Also, a huge question solved, they said that the reason Hiro's time stop suddenly ended when he was with Sylar and touched him with the sword was that Hiro was so nervous at the prospect of killing someone he lost concentration and that is why the time stop was ended.

Entire Q&A here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10548

TONS of answers to speculation and they set a lot of things straight. I highly recommend it. There are no spoilers of what is coming, just answers to questions and speculation to set people straight on their vision and how things are working. Very interesting read.
Thanks William, you are right no real spoilers there, but outdated questions because if some of the events on Monday. They said a few questions but that page seemed to go on forever. It must have been top 25 questions for the week.

But that is my problem why do some powers control or show him right away., but other powers he can use at his discretion. The super hearing was automatic for Sylar once he ate, or took the genetice part of the brain that gives power, we still don't know what he does. However, Peter should be able to have that extra hearing ability and it should be driving him crazy, but they do not give us any dialog or images that Sylars powers are messing up Peter's everyday activities. When he got Nathans Power, he basically had to kill himself (jump off a roof)to get it. He jumped off the roof, then Nathan saved him which finally gave hm the power. But, why is everybody forgiving this inconsistency?Or just dismissing it so freely. He should be going through every pain that Sylar probably had with some of the new powers he has obtained.

They could just be showing some working right away for sake of dramatic effect on the show (i.e. Ted's power, Claire with a gun, roll credits).

But its been stated as fact now, Peter absorbs all he is around, he just doesn't know he has them, he needs to call them forth by recalling his emotions at the time. Once he learns, or realizes he has super hearing, he will figure out how to call it forth, until then, its there, waiting to be used.

Which leads to an interesting question, if this was real (yeah, I know) but could you imagine how many powers Peter could potentially have just from walking around, riding subways, etc. etc. Man, the guy could have hundreds if not thousands. That would be awesome.

His superhearing power should have come naturally though, and I agree that's weird he didn't pick up on it before, nor did he have a difficult time coping with it. I don't think Peter even knows half the powers he has, which is his real weakness. I also think that it was Sylar's presence in his vicinity that "awakened" his dormant potential for superhearing, and thus he could hear Sylar at that time even though he had no clue he actually HAD that power. Basically that superhearing aspect was absorbed by him, but he didn't know about its existence, and it lay dormant until something could trigger it.
I don't think Peter used super-hearing to detect Sylar in NYC. I think he used mind-reading.

If you recall, Sylar was around the corner. Why would he be talking to himself. Sylar was thinking about Ted and Peter heard his thoughts. That's why he knew that Sylar was nearby.

ft

I don't think Peter used super-hearing to detect Sylar in NYC. I think he used mind-reading.

If you recall, Sylar was around the corner. Why would he be talking to himself. Sylar was thinking about Ted and Peter heard his thoughts. That's why he knew that Sylar was nearby.

ft

That's correct. It was Parkman's mind-reading ability he was using when he "heard" Sylar.

Ando's meat. The whole parable about the Kensai and the dragon was easy to translate. Ando is Hiro's heart, and Hiro will have to choose between his death or the death of millions.


True, but that stuff also has another entirely different interpretation to it. One that's very mystical, as I think much of the show centers around mysticism, although it's not explicitly said.

Or maybe Peter is just stronger/better at the power control than Sylar. Also it's possible that the powers simply lie dormant until called upon.

Why is this such a big deal?
Why is this a problem?
Peter's immediate powers after meeting some one.
Regeneration, this was time delayed because you need to get hurt to use it.
Mind reading, Matt was reading his which led Peter to read Matt. Took time to control.
Radioactivity, once he met Ted he had it.
Invisability, He saw the guy because he was already invisable.
Drawing the future. Met Issac early then once he knew his true power, he knew that he can paint/draw also.

Powers he had but needed to let out
Flying, Had to alomst kill himself to prove he had it. Took if from his brother after rescue. Proved on roof after arguement with bro.
telekinesis, both of these were learned better after chosing a master for training.

Powers he should have or that he should know about, because he now knows That he Mimics. .
Stop time, or time travel. He has met future Hiro.
Special hearing, Sylar took time to solve this one, so it should have been an instant power for Peter.
All of Sylar's powers should have already transferred to Peter, But there are some that should have started right away(hearing) or be able to be used (liquidfying metal)with some discipline. That is the biggest problem of them all. We, the viewers aren't able to see the powers start automatically which is a problem.

They could just be showing some working right away for sake of dramatic effect on the show (i.e. Ted's power, Claire with a gun, roll credits).

But its been stated as fact now, Peter absorbs all he is around, he just doesn't know he has them, he needs to call them forth by recalling his emotions at the time. Once he learns, or realizes he has super hearing, he will figure out how to call it forth, until then, its there, waiting to be used.

Which leads to an interesting question, if this was real (yeah, I know) but could you imagine how many powers Peter could potentially have just from walking around, riding subways, etc. etc. Man, the guy could have hundreds if not thousands. That would be awesome.

I know, he's one of my favorite characters, just for that reason alone. He's the "max potential" or God walking on Earth basically.

And sorry, you guys are right, he was reading Sylar's mind. Though it begs the question how did he suddenly pick up only Sylar's thoughts and not everyone else's? Perhaps he does pick up everyone's thoughts but he can drown out those voices that he doesn't need to listen to somehow unconsciously?

And why didn't superhearing kick in for him when he met Sylar and faced off with him in Mohinder's apartment? Or when he realized Sylar was in the vicinity? That superhearing power should have kicked in automatically as it's a natural power like Claire's regeneration.

Entire Q&A here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10548

TONS of answers to speculation and they set a lot of things straight. I highly recommend it. There are no spoilers of what is coming, just answers to questions and speculation to set people straight on their vision and how things are working. Very interesting read.
Nice find. Now get us Tim Kring's private unlisted cellphone number, and we'll nominate you our Official Heroes Grand Poobah :) .


2. I believe it is just telekinesis, focused into a thin line.
I would tend to agree as it is the most likely, but until we get a full list of everything Sylar has gotten his hands on since he started his killing spree, I'll withhold final judgment .

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Why is this a problem?
Peter's immediate powers after meeting some one.
Regeneration, this was time delayed because you need to get hurt to use it.
Mind reading, Matt was reading his which led Peter to read Matt. Took time to control.
Radioactivity, once he met Ted he had it.
Invisability, He saw the guy because he was already invisable.
Drawing the future. Met Issac early then once he knew his true power, he knew that he can paint/draw also.

Powers he had but needed to let out
Flying, Had to alomst kill himself to prove he had it. Took if from his brother after rescue. Proved on roof after arguement with bro.
telekinesis, both of these were learned better after chosing a master for training.

Powers he should have or that he should know about, because he now knows That he Mimics. .
Stop time, or time travel. He has met future Hiro.
Special hearing, Sylar took time to solve this one, so it should have been an instant power for Peter.
All of Sylar's powers should have already transferred to Peter, But there are some that should have started right away(hearing) or be able to be used (liquidfying metal)with some discipline. That is the biggest problem of them all. We, the viewers aren't able to see the powers start automatically which is a problem.


Again, you're making the mistake that he got flight after his bro saved him. That's false. He awakened that power briefly under emotional duress, but he had it in him for a while, just by being around his brother. His dreams of flight are his indication that he had it, it just wasn't fully manifest in his consciousness.

They could just be showing some working right away for sake of dramatic effect on the show (i.e. Ted's power, Claire with a gun, roll credits).

But its been stated as fact now, Peter absorbs all he is around, he just doesn't know he has them, he needs to call them forth by recalling his emotions at the time. Once he learns, or realizes he has super hearing, he will figure out how to call it forth, until then, its there, waiting to be used.

Which leads to an interesting question, if this was real (yeah, I know) but could you imagine how many powers Peter could potentially have just from walking around, riding subways, etc. etc. Man, the guy could have hundreds if not thousands. That would be awesome.
Yeah, he would be or have absolute power. But the good thing is he is pure good and knows his gift is to protect the innocents. But then that leads us to a different or same question. He always thought it was flying that he could do, but now he knows different. Why wouldn't he go to a park and sit back and figure out which powers he now has? I know I would if I knew that I am able to absorb any power that passes me by. He tried like crazy to fly again.

And why didn't superhearing kick in for him when he met Sylar and faced off with him in Mohinder's apartment? Or when he realized Sylar was in the vicinity? That superhearing power should have kicked in automatically as it's a natural power like Claire's regeneration.

Thank You!! I have believed this should have happened also..

As for Sylar's thoughts. He has had the mind reading for a long time, about 2 month in real time. Or only one month. When Hiro first jumped into the Future he said it was Oct, something. Now we are up to November 7th. Any way, he can control it and only hears possible treats to him or his surrounding. That might be a bit far fetched, but does somebody have any other theories. How does he single out Sylar on the streets of NY?

Again, you're making the mistake that he got flight after his bro saved him. That's false. He awakened that power briefly under emotional duress, but he had it in him for a while, just by being around his brother. His dreams of flight are his indication that he had it, it just wasn't fully manifest in his consciousness.
I understand that with his brother, he should be able to take the powers since Nathan first knew he had them, but what more emotional distress then jumping off a building does he need to use it. If it wasn't for his brother he would be dead, and the Peter Petrelli conversations would have stop in Sept. Only when he was in disagreement with his brother on the roof, after the first jump, was he able to float. They are brothers, trust me they have had disagreements before. Why wouldn't the power show itself then?

Thank You!! I have believed this should have happened also..

As for Sylar's thoughts. He has had the mind reading for a long time, about 2 month in real time. Or only one month. When Hiro first jumped into the Future he said it was Oct, something. Now we are up to November 7th. Any way, he can control it and only hears possible treats to him or his surrounding. That might be a bit far fetched, but does somebody have any other theories. How does he single out Sylar on the streets of NY?


I think I already offered an idea: he does hear all those voices, but he drowns out the ones he doesn't need to listen to automatically, whatever his soul/superconscious mind registers as critical is filtered through his consciousness.

And by the way, you forget, Nathan DROPS Peter after first catching him (not shown, but Nathan tells Peter at the hospital). That's when Peter flies for himself. Nathan saves Peter, or thinks he's saving Peter by flying up to catch him, but Peter wasn't ever really in danger at that time. He was falling, but when that fall would have lead to certain death, I think his survival instinct kicked in (and I think would have kicked in if Nathan never flew up to catch him in the first place), and that's how he called upon that ability to fly.

Nice find. Now get us Tim Kring's private unlisted cellphone number, and we'll nominate you our Official Heroes Grand Poobah :) .


Yeah but, if we get his number he might not be in a talking mood. He just lost his baby(older) show. Crossing Jordan was cancelled. 6 Years not bad. Hopefully we get 6 min from heroes.

Yeah, he would be or have absolute power. But the good thing is he is pure good and knows his gift is to protect the innocents. But then that leads us to a different or same question. He always thought it was flying that he could do, but now he knows different. Why wouldn't he go to a park and sit back and figure out which powers he now has? I know I would if I knew that I am able to absorb any power that passes me by. He tried like crazy to fly again.

Perhaps he should meditate and know his Self :D . I think that would be the only way for him to truly be cognizant of what's really in his capacity. Until then, he wouldn't know what powers he has and how to call them out unless in a life or death situation where the power would come in handy.

I think I already offered an idea: he does hear all those voices, but he drowns out the ones he doesn't need to listen to automatically, whatever his soul/superconscious mind registers as critical is filtered through his consciousness.

And by the way, you forget, Nathan DROPS Peter after first catching him (not shown, but Nathan tells Peter at the hospital). That's when Peter flies for himself. Nathan saves Peter, or thinks he's saving Peter by flying up to catch him, but Peter wasn't ever really in danger at that time. He was falling, but when that fall would have lead to certain death, I think his survival instinct kicked in (and I think would have kicked in if Nathan never flew up to catch him in the first place), and that's how he called upon that ability to fly.
Ok, sounds like a plan for me. At least the Flying issue, makes better sense now.

Perhaps he should meditate and know his Self :D . I think that would be the only way for him to truly be cognizant of what's really in his capacity. Until then, he wouldn't know what powers he has and how to call them out unless in a life or death situation where the power would come in handy.
Maybe after he saves NYC, he will turn to the camera and let us know that he is going on a retreat during the winter. To get his mind straight. :rolleyes: ;) :cool: :)

I think Peter was using the mind reading ability too, but it is possible it was super hearing because Sylar is dumb enough to talk to himself like he did in the previous scene.

I did think it was a little silly how Peter and Claire were willing to drive out of the city and leave Ted there in police custody to go BOOOOM!!!!!...of course we know how that turned out.

As for the HRG and Mohinder standoff--here's an idea, take the girl away from the company and do it quickly before security shows up!!!!!!

...oh, and would someone please slap Nathan????? How can he even be considering this crap after Hiro told him the future doesn't turn out the way Linderman described??????

As for Sylar's thoughts. He has had the mind reading for a long time, about 2 month in real time. Or only one month. When Hiro first jumped into the Future he said it was Oct, something. Now we are up to November 7th. Any way, he can control it and only hears possible treats to him or his surrounding.
That’s strange. You’d think it was much more useful to hear possible tricks , no?

That is not a crazy theory. A few people including myself have already been thinking Lindermnan is the baby's daddy to Nathan. I went as far as saying Peter might be also. This is why she is so tight with Lindermann. If you remember Lindermann said Daddy Petrelli was considered a weak man, which lead to his death.
I expect that at some point (maybe next season) we will learn that unknownst to Nathan & Peter, they are half-brothers. This, of course, will appear to be less taboo, and will open the door for Peter and Claire to finally end up in the sack. :rolleyes:

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I understand that with his brother, he should be able to take the powers since Nathan first knew he had them, but what more emotional distress then jumping off a building does he need to use it. If it wasn't for his brother he would be dead, and the Peter Petrelli conversations would have stop in Sept. Only when he was in disagreement with his brother on the roof, after the first jump, was he able to float. They are brothers, trust me they have had disagreements before. Why wouldn't the power show itself then?

Peter has to trigger powers to learn them, this is important:

Again, this is for everyone, Peter has them ALL, he doesn't know he could fly until he saw it. He kept dreaming of it, but he didn't know he actually could. He has to witness a power to know that it came come out or to trigger it somehow. This is the key, it has to be triggered. When he was attacked by Claude, he triggered TK because of what he was feeling. When he fell off the building, his brother caught him and then dropped him, and then he flew. He couldn't fly again until he got in an argument with his brother and started floating. He has to have triggers. Getting hurt triggers his healing, anger triggers his TK, etc. etc. Matt reading his mind triggered his power. And the more you think about it, all he was thinking about in that last episode was how to not blow up the city and that he was afraid he was going to blow up. Claire told him Ted had that power. He meets Ted, all he has been thinking about, first on his mind is not blowing up, and this caused his power comes out. He was thinking about blowing up, thus his power from Ted manifested so fast, its all he was worried about.

Triggers are the key and explains all of his powers and explains why he doens't know others are there, something has to trigger it or he has to witness it first hand. It that simple guys, remember, this isn't Lost. :D

I think Peter was using the mind reading ability too, but it is possible it was super hearing because Sylar is dumb enough to talk to himself like he did in the previous scene.

I did think it was a little silly how Peter and Claire were willing to drive out of the city and leave Ted there in police custody to go BOOOOM!!!!!...of course we know how that turned out.

As for the HRG and Mohinder standoff--here's an idea, take the girl away from the company and do it quickly before security shows up!!!!!!

...oh, and would someone please slap Nathan????? How can he even be considering this crap after Hiro told him the future doesn't turn out the way Linderman described??????

Seriously, I agree. I also hated that he wouldn't grab Ted and go Invisible to save him. HELLO! Or when they where driving, why didn't he fly, etc. That whole scene was just weird.

Triggers are the key and explains all of his powers and explains why he doens't know others are there, something has to trigger it or he has to witness it first hand. It that simple guys, remember, this isn't Lost. :D
Great explanation. That's my thinking too (no really), but I'm not as eloquent as you.

I also think that Peter needs to know where the power came from to be able to trigger it. So it's unlikely that he'll develop his "persuasion" power.

However, if Sylar ever got to Peter's brain, would he get all of the powers that Peter has but has not triggered?

ft

And sorry, you guys are right, he was reading Sylar's mind. Though it begs the question how did he suddenly pick up only Sylar's thoughts and not everyone else's? Perhaps he does pick up everyone's thoughts but he can drown out those voices that he doesn't need to listen to somehow unconsciously?


The same way Hana can pinpoint only the data she needs from the trillions of bits of information swirling around her in the ether. Magic. ;)

That’s strange. You’d think it was much more useful to hear possible tricks , no?

Sorry I meant "possible threats" against him. Spell check doesn't work if you have the wrong word spelled correctly.


I expect that at some point (maybe next season) we will learn that unknownst to Nathan & Peter, they are half-brothers. This, of course, will appear to be less taboo, and will open the door for Peter and Claire to finally end up in the sack. :rolleyes:

OK, you have entered the world of the sick and the insane. Not that I want to say either way is ok for that situation. However, if they are half brothers they still came for the same mother. Cliare would be Peters blood Niece. I never expected you to have a crazy side. All your post are straight forward and mostly OT. I like it!Go Palladin!

Seriously, I agree. I also hated that he wouldn't grab Ted and go Invisible to save him. HELLO! Or when they where driving, why didn't he fly, etc. That whole scene was just weird.
Good explanation above Will but Claire didn't mention Ted's power until Peter all ready started to light up. But that is enough of that topic.

This is the same reason why DL went in front of the bullet instead of grabbing Nikki so the bullet would go right through. You react and sometimes that reaction is not the best. All Peter Knows is that somebody will blow the city up, but he also feels that Claire is destined to save the world, so he went to protect the one that he thinks is the most important one. IT just happend so fast. Plus it was at that point that Ted was telling him about the FBI warrant. If they didn't disappear then all three of the would have been in that truck. He was driving because he wouldn't know what happened to Ted if he flew out of town with Claire. Now he knows he has to stay in NYC to try to save NY.

After further review, there was no chance that Peter could have saved Claire & Ted at the same time. The FBI rolled up and had TED down before Peter even had time to react and protect Claire.

Plus they were coming out of the car rental place in case anyone was interested. No Sound at work, so I couldn't confirm if at this point Ted tells them of the FBI or was it earlier.

How do Sulu & Petrelli's mother fit in with each other ... Are they on Opposite sides" of the hiearchy, or will Sulu & Mrs. Petrelli end up running the "new company" together, ASSUming Lindermann & Roberts are dead ...

Greg Beeman addresses this question in his latest commentary:


Greg Beeman's blog is great. Not only does it answer a lot of questions about the logic behind the show, he makes a great effort to explain just how much more complex Heroes is than most shows, from the production standpoint. Very few people in the audience would realize just how much work is required to make the show appear to take place in NY (or Las Vegas, or India).

Greg Beeman's blog is great. Not only does it answer a lot of questions about the logic behind the show, he makes a great effort to explain just how much more complex Heroes is than most shows, from the production standpoint. Very few people in the audience would realize just how much work is required to make the show appear to take place in NY (or Las Vegas, or India).

I agree. It's one of the most honest, interesting and detailed TV related pieces I've seen. Far better than the Lost commentaries which stray too far into self indulgence and offer little of insight into the production of the show.

I hope Greg Beeman gets an audio commentary track on the DVD set.

Just a thought. Perhaps Peter doesn't have all of Syler's powers because he can only obtain the one Sylar is using at the moment. I don't think he got super hearing because Sylar was eavesdropping from a distance. For that matter has Peter or Sylar been able to use more than one power at a time. I haven't taken time to debugged this theory so feel free to explain it away.

As for Hiro learning swordsmanship in an hour (or however long it took) maybe Hiro's father's power is to insert experiences and skills into people's memory ala "Dark City".

This episode had quite a few incidents that could have gone far differently had our heroes used their abilities but inexplicably didn't. I thought Peter and Claire's plan to shoot Peter in the event of imminent nuclear immolation, was flawed. He should have given Claire a knife so it could be removed after the danger passed.

I continue to be confused about HRG's morality. Practically every new scene his role as good or evil flips. Not complaining, in fact it's one of the better plot lines and keeps me guessing. I thought for sure he knew the tracking system was a child. Even within that one scene he appears to swing toward good (when he appears to reveal that he didn't know it was a child) only to go bad again a moment later by holding her hostage at gunpoint.

I wonder if the original invisible man is around during all this although I'm sure Peter would spot him immediately.

Good explanation above Will but Claire didn't mention Ted's power until Peter all ready started to light up. But that is enough of that topic.


Yes she did. After she pulled the glass out of his head, they talked. She was packing her bags and Peter told her she can't go, etc. they talked for awhile. And Peter told her that he explodes, radioactive, etc. and Claire was all like, explodes, and she told him about Ted. Peter said Ted who, and Claire told him that he can explode. They then left. So that happened well before Peter met Ted (was even a different episode), so he knew about Ted's power. Also, all he was thinking about (even if he didn't see Ted) was exploding, stopping the bomb, I'm the bomb, etc. and those thoughts triggered Ted's power when he got near him.

Just a thought. Perhaps Peter doesn't have all of Syler's powers because he can only obtain the one Sylar is using at the moment. I don't think he got super hearing because Sylar was eavesdropping from a distance. For that matter has Peter or Sylar been able to use more than one power at a time. I haven't taken time to debugged this theory so feel free to explain it away.


YES HE DOES! Cripes people, its been discussed, proven he does. Sorry, not to vent on you but see my posts above. The Q&A with the writers states he has them all, and probably more he doesn't even know about. I've also seen Tim Kring say he has them all just by being around him (gotta find that dang article). Yet we keep getting people saying he doesn't. They stated he does.

Sorry, vent over. :D

How do Sulu & Petrelli's mother fit in with each other ... Are they on Opposite sides" of the hiearchy, or will Sulu & Mrs. Petrelli end up running the "new company" together, ASSUming Lindermann & Roberts are dead ...

Hmmm, I wonder too if this will be setting up something like two groups, one doing evil deeds with their hero powers and another group trying to save the world, doing good. Interesting. Sure seems that they way they talk about these "groups" they were each involved with that it will be something like this.

After further review, there was no chance that Peter could have saved Claire & Ted at the same time. The FBI rolled up and had TED down before Peter even had time to react and protect Claire.

Plus they were coming out of the car rental place in case anyone was interested. No Sound at work, so I couldn't confirm if at this point Ted tells them of the FBI or was it earlier.

He is invisible. Why didn't he just walk up to Ted on the ground, touch him like he did Claire, make him Invisible (he is still invisible so they would never see him going up to him) and run away?

Great explanation. That's my thinking too (no really), but I'm not as eloquent as you.

I also think that Peter needs to know where the power came from to be able to trigger it. So it's unlikely that he'll develop his "persuasion" power.

However, if Sylar ever got to Peter's brain, would he get all of the powers that Peter has but has not triggered?

ft

Okay, my last post for the day. :p

Interesting thought. My total guess would be that since Peter's DNA resequences itself so he can do his powers that Sylar would only see the last power Peter had resequenced to, so say TK and then Sylar looks and sees his brain can do TK. OR Sylar sees Peter's main ability only and that is his Empathy power and thus would gain the same power peter has, the ability to absorb other heroe's powers (great, just what Sylar needs, more powers).

YES HE DOES! Cripes people, its been discussed, proven he does. Sorry, not to vent on you but see my posts above. The Q&A with the writers states he has them all, and probably more he doesn't even know about. I've also seen Tim Kring say he has them all just by being around him (gotta find that dang article). Yet we keep getting people saying he doesn't. They stated he does.

Sorry, vent over. :D

No prob. As I said I haven't had a chance to thoroughly analyze my theory. I also haven't had a chance to read through all the posts, even regarding this weeks ep. I totally missed Kring saying as much, especially if it's more than 25 or 50 pages back in this, now 139 page 4000+ post, thread. I usually try to scan through previous post before posting to avoid rehashing but this thread is way too big even using search to be certain I'm not. Thanks for straightening me out on that. :)

For the most part I've always assumed Peter had all of Sylars powers. Knowing he does I'm now back to the harder to explain scenario which I won't even speculate on from here on out as it's enough to give a guy a headache. I'm content now just to see how it works out, if ever.

Peter has to trigger powers to learn them, this is important:

Again, this is for everyone, Peter has them ALL, he doesn't know he could fly until he saw it. He kept dreaming of it, but he didn't know he actually could. He has to witness a power to know that it came come out or to trigger it somehow. This is the key, it has to be triggered. When he was attacked by Claude, he triggered TK because of what he was feeling. When he fell off the building, his brother caught him and then dropped him, and then he flew. He couldn't fly again until he got in an argument with his brother and started floating. He has to have triggers. Getting hurt triggers his healing, anger triggers his TK, etc. etc. Matt reading his mind triggered his power. And the more you think about it, all he was thinking about in that last episode was how to not blow up the city and that he was afraid he was going to blow up. Claire told him Ted had that power. He meets Ted, all he has been thinking about, first on his mind is not blowing up, and this caused his power comes out. He was thinking about blowing up, thus his power from Ted manifested so fast, its all he was worried about.

Triggers are the key and explains all of his powers and explains why he doens't know others are there, something has to trigger it or he has to witness it first hand. It that simple guys, remember, this isn't Lost. :D


He didn't KNOW how to fly, but he did SUSPECT he could fly, because of his dreams, which are his superconscious mind telling him that he could do it. But you're right about the triggers in terms of how he can actually express his powers. However, the knowledge of those powers would be IMHO stored in his soul/superconscious mind and he'd get hints of his own potential through that.

Seriously, I agree. I also hated that he wouldn't grab Ted and go Invisible to save him. HELLO! Or when they where driving, why didn't he fly, etc. That whole scene was just weird.

Perhaps Ted's apprehension happened way too quick for him to think of a way out, or whether he SHOULD make the attempt in the first place.

He would have to fly with Claire as well, and that's something that draws unwanted attention to begin with.

Depending on how skilled Ted was with his power I'd have liked to have seen him use something similar to his EMP power to stun his FBI assailants (electrically, super bright light or maybe like the new microwave pain ray) but since the plot wouldn't allow it oh well. There's still Peter and Sylar and more seasons to come.

I continue to be confused about HRG's morality. Practically every new scene his role as good or evil flips. Not complaining, in fact it's one of the better plot lines and keeps me guessing. I thought for sure he knew the tracking system was a child. Even within that one scene he appears to swing toward good (when he appears to reveal that he didn't know it was a child) only to go bad again a moment later by holding her hostage at gunpoint.

That's one thing you shouldn't be confused about. Again, read Beeman's blog and he talks about this too.

HRG's loyalty lies with his family, especially Claire. Anyone who threatens them becomes a target. If the tracker had been an adult I doubt he would have hesitated. Now he's conflicted because he's trying to save his own daughter but has to kill an innocent child instead.

Perhaps Ted's apprehension happened way too quick for him to think of a way out, or whether he SHOULD make the attempt in the first place.

it seemed to me that Ted didn't want to be saved. As he yelled out on his way to the van about how they should lock him in a secure room. After realizing how dangerous he was when not in control, he probably accepted the fact that the safest place for himself and everyone else would be locked away in a secure place.

That's one thing you shouldn't be confused about. Again, read Beeman's blog and he talks about this too.

HRG's loyalty lies with his family, especially Claire. Anyone who threatens them becomes a target. If the tracker had been an adult I doubt he would have hesitated. Now he's conflicted because he's trying to save his own daughter but has to kill an innocent child instead.

That part I understand but even though he's looking out for his own and we all put our loved ones first, I'm still in doubt as to how much of his soul he's willing to sell for them. As speculated Hiro may be forced to sacrifice Ando (his heart) to save countless others(heroes and civilians alike) and most would probably say he did/will do the right thing and is a "good" guy. The question is, if HRG kills the little girl to merely protect Claire(his heart) and maybe the other heroes, from a less direct and ominous threat than a bomb, wouldn't that be considered amoral and selfish. One possible key difference though, is HRG isn't a super as far as we know.

His hesitation does indicate theres still hope for him but his history as a ruthless agent may mean he's beyond redemption.

Guess we'll find out next week.

That part I understand but even though he's looking out for his own and we all put our loved ones first, I'm still in doubt as to how much of his soul he's willing to sell for them. As speculated Hiro may be force to sacrifice Ando (his heart) to save countless others(heroes and civilians alike) and most would probably say he did/will do the right thing and is a "good" guy. The question is, if HRG kills the little girl to merely protect only Claire(his heart) and maybe the other heroes, from a less direct and ominous threat than a bomb, wouldn't that be considered amoral and selfish. One possible key difference though, is HRG isn't a super as far as we know.

I doubt he would risk his own life for any of the Heroes apart from Claire if it was on the line. He needs them right now but killing the kid isn't for their benefit. His conflict probably comes from the fact that he identifies with her situation. She's just another tool of the company to be tested and used in the same way that he's trying to save Claire from. Maybe he'll justify saving her based on that and it will be the turning point for him that will make him the guy who hides other heroes in the five year flash forward.

As for his soul, HRG sold that down the river a long time ago. Claire is the one good thing about his life he's trying to protect. In his time as a company man he's probably done more bad than he can make up for. Don't forget that he shot his friend without much hesitation when ordered to.

Maybe he'll justify saving her based on that and it will be the turning point for him that will make him the guy who hides other heroes in the five year flash forward.

Good point.

I don't want to rain on everybody's parade but preliminary overnight ratings from last night show Heroes came in third behind Dancing with the Stars (which almost doubled the "Heroes" audience), slightly behind the CBS sitcoms at 9PM and virtually tied with 24. The 18-49 ratings should put the show first in the demographic advertisers desire, but only two episodes into this new round of episodes the "Heroes" status as a hit is seriously in question. :(

Source: http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp


same thing happened with LOST and Jericho after their long hiatus.....no more of those please!

Heroes DVD Update:

High-Def Digest

"Heroes: Season One' Coming to HD DVD This August
Tue May 15, 2007 at 02:31 PM ET
Tags: Disc Announcements, TV on High-Def (all tags)

Get ready to "Save the cheerleader, save the world" in high-def late this summer, when Universal Studios Home Entertainment unleashes 'Heroes: Season One' on HD DVD.

The break-out superhero series has been one of the few bright spots for beleaguered NBC this year, where it quickly amassed a huge cult following that should devour the show in high-def.

Tailor-made for HD DVD, Universal will give the show the full box set treatment on August 28, with a seven-disc set expected to include plenty of extras.

Though the studio has not yet released any tech or supplemental details, recent public comments from the show's creators indicate some fun goodies should be in store for fans.

No list price has been set, either, but we'll keep you posted."

guess I'll get the 360 drive then... or hopefully a better multidrive is rollin by then.

And why didn't superhearing kick in for him when he met Sylar and faced off with him in Mohinder's apartment? Or when he realized Sylar was in the vicinity? That superhearing power should have kicked in automatically as it's a natural power like Claire's regeneration.Because Sylar (Mohinder being barely concious) was purposely quiet? He would've heard the sound of conflicting heartbeats, anyway. I think the power of mind-reading should've come into play, as the place was dead-silent.

Has anyone been following the comics? I'm bummed they're killing off the Hanna character with her barely having an impact in the TV show.

According to the comics she's had a huge impact on the plot.

The more I think about it... the more I am convinced of something I have seen others post about here...

I believe Peter's power is the ability to have all powers. So by that, he already has all possible powers... he just doesn't know how to access them. Peter needs to see a power work in order for him to associate it in some way in his head and then call forth that power. He still doesn't know how it works, but his DNA reconfigures in the way it "remembers" whenever he thinks about the person he encountered when he saw the power in use.

IF Peter had Sylar's power of understanding how things work... then Peter could have all the powers right now, because he could think of possible DNA configurations and poof there he goes.

Peter's limitation is the need to see a power work... this means two things, he will not know he has a power if he didn't see someone else use it... and if he encounters someone like Sylar he will only associate one power with that person, so even though he should be able to do all the things Sylar does... Peter doesn't yet have a way to associate multiple powers with a single person.

Sylar, on the other hand, has the power to understand how things work... and apparently the ability to reconfigure his DNA as well... only it seems like he needs to kill people and take them apart to see how they work. The "plus" for Sylar is that he knows how things work and gains a better immediate understanding of the power... also seems to more easily be able to use multiple powers at a time than Peter has thus far shown.

Sylar's limitation is that he has to kill the person to see how they work. He can't "absorb" the knowledge from afar, though once he has the knowledge he has a better control initially than Peter.

Either one of these guys having BOTH powers at the same time would be virtually unstoppable... Peter can be stopped because he limits himself unknowingly... Sylar can be stopped because he can't just take your power, so sending more than one person at him (like when the Hatian and Eden were able to tag-team and capture him way back).

Also the more I think about it... the more I think there is some shared lineage with Peter and Sylar. They are either half-brothers or cousins or something with a common gene in there that gives them the similar powers.

The parable, Hiro, and Ando...

In the parable, the hero has to cut out his own actual heart to save the woman he loves.

Some have said Ando is Hiro's "heart" but by the parable, this doesn't make sense. In the parable, the woman would have been that person's heart as well...

So to me, it logically follows that Hiro must be willing to sacrifice himself in order to save Ando.

OR... to really twist things around...

Perhaps Ando is the hero from the parable... and it is he that has to sacrifice himself to save Hiro. This would satisfy the corellary... Ando would be willing to sacrifice himself to slay the Sylar dragon and prevent Hiro from becoming future-Hiro.. in Ando's mind this would be him saving Hiro.

Not sure which way I want to look at the parable... I'm either leaning towards this last interpretation, meaning Ando is a goner... or the first one which would mean Hiro is a goner...

Hiro is popular, and a good character... but also has the potential to be too powerful... so I could see the writers going either way here.

Lower ratings for this show happen for a myriad of reasons.

1. It specifically targets a younger crowd, and a younger crowd typically works after high school/college during the evening. As much as I'm sure they'd love to get Monday's off every week somebody has to work it.

2. NBC shows every single show on it's website for free. Anytime you want to watch it.

3. Or... if you're willing to put up with it and get rid of the advertising, you can use a torrent program with people that already cut out all of the ads with a higher bitrate.

4. HD apparently still isn't tracked like analogue stations are. Is it still a small percentage? Sure... but when you start adding up all of the "small percentages not being counted when they tally you lose a good 2-4 million people.

5. Last but not least... Buzz. People that haven't watched a single episode yet but have heard about it... and are excited. People that don't want to watch it out of order. People that might be waiting strictly for the DVD or HD-DVD.

At some point and time people are going to have to re-evaluate how to properly tally a show's true popularity and how to target commercials for that crowd no matter where or how the show is watched. Going by a show's time slot is archaic.

Of course option "3" above is highly illegal, so let's not encourage that.

People watching on the web means fewer network viewers and/or fewer DVDs sold, which means no more episodes of Heroes - something I think we'd all like not to occur anytime soon.

The more I think about it... the more I am convinced of something I have seen others post about here...

I believe Peter's power is the ability to have all powers. So by that, he already has all possible powers... he just doesn't know how to access them. Peter needs to see a power work in order for him to associate it in some way in his head and then call forth that power. He still doesn't know how it works, but his DNA reconfigures in the way it "remembers" whenever he thinks about the person he encountered when he saw the power in use.

IF Peter had Sylar's power of understanding how things work... then Peter could have all the powers right now, because he could think of possible DNA configurations and poof there he goes.

Peter's limitation is the need to see a power work... this means two things, he will not know he has a power if he didn't see someone else use it... and if he encounters someone like Sylar he will only associate one power with that person, so even though he should be able to do all the things Sylar does... Peter doesn't yet have a way to associate multiple powers with a single person.

Sylar, on the other hand, has the power to understand how things work... and apparently the ability to reconfigure his DNA as well... only it seems like he needs to kill people and take them apart to see how they work. The "plus" for Sylar is that he knows how things work and gains a better immediate understanding of the power... also seems to more easily be able to use multiple powers at a time than Peter has thus far shown.

Sylar's limitation is that he has to kill the person to see how they work. He can't "absorb" the knowledge from afar, though once he has the knowledge he has a better control initially than Peter.

Either one of these guys having BOTH powers at the same time would be virtually unstoppable... Peter can be stopped because he limits himself unknowingly... Sylar can be stopped because he can't just take your power, so sending more than one person at him (like when the Hatian and Eden were able to tag-team and capture him way back).

Also the more I think about it... the more I think there is some shared lineage with Peter and Sylar. They are either half-brothers or cousins or something with a common gene in there that gives them the similar powers.


IMHO, you're off on the point that Peter necessarily needs to see a person use a power in order to know or suspect he has that power, or at least, the creators made a mistake if you were right. For one thing, Peter never saw Nathan fly, nor did he suspect Nathan could fly in the beginning. Yet he suspected that HE could fly. It was his superconscious mind telling him that, which is a crucial aspect, as far as I'm concerned to what's really going on with the Heroes. Genes are only part of the story, Heroes has a great deal of spiritual/mystical allegory to it, and the soul/superconscious mind is often being contemplated upon during the course of the show, most of the time by Mohinder as the narrator.

As for the dragon parable, there's a whole different interpretation that's very mystical. I don't think Sylar and the dragon are equivalent at all, as it is the dragon that bestows powers upon the legendary swordsman, and then asks for payment at the end. It has everything to do with kundalini, and the idea of immortality. Kundalini is the serpent power that resides in all humans, as latent cosmic potential, when awakened it supposedly bestows a man with God-like powers, as it travels up the spine and enters the brain (this is why the brain is so important in the show, as the brain is the destination for the kundalini energy which empowers the Heroes). The legendary swordsman is asked to cut his heart out, and that has something to do with the chakras, and how once the final chakra is pierced by the kundalini energy, the man becomes immortal in death.

As for Hiro being too powerful, I don't see where you get that idea. He's powerful, but his power is clearly limited. He can stop time, he can travel to the past and future, but he's limited in how much he can change things. As it is, he's far from the most powerful person on the show, though he would certainly rank up there. It'd have to be Peter, Sylar and then Hiro in that order IMHO. I really don't think they're going to kill off Hiro or Peter though. I hope not, they're my favorite characters on the show. I hope Ando survives as well, but he's most likely a goner unless Hiro can catch up with him in time. Which begs the question why doesn't he just stop time and look for Ando?

And I don't see how Peter and Sylar could be related. Other than how powerful they are and how much they seem to be polar opposites, there's no real clue given as to them being related in any way. If powers were clues to a person being related, then Nathan's power or Claire's biological mother's power would be similar to Claire's, or we'd see some kind of correlation between people's powers and their bloodlines. Which is clearly not the case, so no such assumption can be made.

The more I think about it... the more I am convinced of something I have seen others post about here...

I believe Peter's power is the ability to have all powers.
It would be a good theory if we weren't already told *definitively* by the Heroes staff that his power is to absorb other powers.

Of course option "3" above is highly illegal, so let's not encourage that.

People watching on the web means fewer network viewers and/or fewer DVDs sold, which means no more episodes of Heroes - something I think we'd all like not to occur anytime soon.

How is option 3 illigal? Network shows are able to be received free via OTA so why could I not D/L one I missed? Isn't that what a DVR does? And the DVR has better resolution since its not compressed. While I agree with shows on cable or any pay channels I just can't see how its illigal to D/L a show for free that I can get for free with my OTA antenna.

How is option 3 illigal? Network shows are able to be received free via OTA so why could I not D/L one I missed? Isn't that what a DVR does? And the DVR has better resolution since its not compressed. While I agree with shows on cable or any pay channels I just can't see how its illigal to D/L a show for free that I can get for free with my OTA antenna.

It's illegal. I know of friends who didn't know this before getting a letter informing them of it. It's ridiculous, but that's how it is.

How is option 3 illigal? Network shows are able to be received free via OTA so why could I not D/L one I missed? Isn't that what a DVR does? And the DVR has better resolution since its not compressed. While I agree with shows on cable or any pay channels I just can't see how its illigal to D/L a show for free that I can get for free with my OTA antenna.
It's illegal because morons wrote the laws. It makes ZERO sense that a show available for free could be obtained illegally by any means.

Yeah, all these Peter theories are getting a bit much. The producers have explicitly told us how his power works, and that he has all the powers from every mutant he's come into contact with. I wish we could get past all these wild theories ;)

I'll say again, Ando is a goner. No way they are killing off Hiro.

I believe some theorizers are missing something. When Hiro had his confrontation with Sylar, he was not able to maintain the time freeze because he lost his confidence; he lost his concentration. I believe Peter's powers and those of the others work in a similar manner. The "hero" must exercise some concentration, some will, for the power to be fully effective even though some effect is possible due to a subconscious or involuntary response to a stimulus such as fight or flight.

YMMV

I just saw the best preview commercial, it gave me goose bumps. It was about Molly. Spoiler tags since it was a preview.

Molly is lying in bed and Mohindar, HRG, and Matt are standing around here. They are asking her how her power works. Matt says, "So you can find anyone in the world." Molly says yes, except for one. Matt says, "Is it a bad guy, is it the boogeyman (referring to Sylar since Molly calls him the boogeyman)." Molly says no, its someone else, some worse. Someone a LOT worse. He can see me."

That must be a build up to season 2 or something. Oh I can't wait!

Yeah, all these Peter theories are getting a bit much. The producers have explicitly told us how his power works, and that he has all the powers from every mutant he's come into contact with. I wish we could get past all these wild theories ;)

I'll say again, Ando is a goner. No way they are killing off Hiro.

Yeah, I agree, he's probably toast. Interesting how his character has evolved. At first, he didn't want to get involved at all, just wanted to go back to Japan and continue his life. Now, he's become a brave hero, ready to charge into battle with Sylar like some kind of one-man Light Brigade. :D But since he has no powers, not even any martial arts or swordfighting skills, he really has no chance. While it would be fun to see him as Hiro's permanent sidekick, the fact that he's powerless would make him more of a liability than an asset in the chaotic world of superhero crime fighting his buddy Hiro is destined to live in.

I just saw the best preview commercial, it gave me goose bumps. It was about Molly. Spoiler tags since it was a preview.

Molly is lying in bed and Mohindar, HRG, and Matt are standing around here. They are asking her how her power works. Matt says, "So you can find anyone in the world." Molly says yes, except for one. Matt says, "Is it a bad guy, is it the boogeyman (referring to Sylar since Molly calls him the boogeyman)." Molly says no, its someone else, some worse. Someone a LOT worse. He can see me."

That must be a build up to season 2 or something. Oh I can't wait!


saw the same preview..... gave me big goose bumps

How is option 3 illigal? Network shows are able to be received free via OTA so why could I not D/L one I missed? Isn't that what a DVR does? And the DVR has better resolution since its not compressed. While I agree with shows on cable or any pay channels I just can't see how its illigal to D/L a show for free that I can get for free with my OTA antenna.

Actually it is pretty simple why it is illegal. If I own the rights to something, I can choose to sell it or give it away... but you do not have the right to give it away just because I do.

Things that are in the "public domain" can be given away, sometimes with a few restrictions, but things that are owned by someone cannot just be given away by anyone.

The reason why NBC, for instance, would enforce this... IF you get it for free from NBC via OTA or their Web site, then you are coming to them and they at least have a chance to get you to look at their other product... this is why they give it away! But if Joe 3rd party also gives their program away, then you don't come back to NBC for it... they potentially lose other revenue... and then it is harder for them to make the next thing to give away.

Think of it from their perspective... If you have a business and to promote your business you start giving away samples... if someone else comes up and takes a bunch of your samples and then gives them away at his place, you are not going to be too happy about that if it is taking customers away from you.

People sometimes misinterpret what "free" means. OTA is free to view in your home... but you can't charge people to come see OTA in your home... and you can't record OTA and sell it to your friends... or make copies and give them away either. Everyone can record their own OTA for their own use and that is fine... but one guy can't do it and give it to the neighborhood.

Think of it from their perspective... If you have a business and to promote your business you start giving away samples... if someone else comes up and takes a bunch of your samples and then gives them away at his place, you are not going to be too happy about that if it is taking customers away from you.

Bull. I would *LOVE* that. Because guess what happens when that guy runs out of free samples? He comes to me to BUY them. That is a great way to run a business.

The fact is, the media companies want to exert an undue amount of control over the product they give away for free. There is *ZERO* difference between me recording a show and downloading a show. I get the exact same experience and their logo is still right there on the screen.

And then, when they go to sell the show on DVD/HD, guess who buys it. That's right, me. The guy who got hooked on the free samples.

The parable, Hiro, and Ando...

In the parable, the hero has to cut out his own actual heart to save the woman he loves.

In the parable, the hero has done a life of heroic deeds when his old teacher comes back to demand the woman he loves.

Read literally, this would mean that _after_ Hiro saves the world, Sulu..err, his dad, will demand Ando's life.

If it isn't Su..Hiro's dad taking his heart, I don't see how the parable applies. Sylar is a different enemy, not in league with Hiro's dad.

Bull. I would *LOVE* that. Because guess what happens when that guy runs out of free samples? He comes to me to BUY them. That is a great way to run a business.

But this is not what you are advocating... in your example, you don't go back to NBC and buy this show... you download it from elsewhere, and those folks didn't buy it from NBC either!

If NBC puts the show up for free download, and you get it from NBC... then that's fair game. But if you get the episode anywhere else, not authorized by NBC, then simply put you are violating their copyright on the program.

If a guy is giving out free samples of your product, and he got those free samples by stealing them from you or copying them from other free samples... then he isn't paying you a nickel and you would be unhappy about that.

Think of it like this... NBC owns the show, and they give one viewing away for free on Monday nights... after that, they want people to pay them for it. This is no different than a movie theater giving a free viewing of a movie every now and then. Just because I went to the free showing of Spider-Man 3 when it opened doesn't mean I now have the right to go distribute that movie for free!

But this is not what you are advocating... in your example, you don't go back to NBC and buy this show...
Uh, yes I did, and I said as much.

Maybe you should read my post again.

Think of it like this... NBC owns the show, and they give one viewing away for free on Monday nights... after that, they want people to pay them for it.
So, then watching it on DVR is a no-no, too? Because that's what you're saying here.

Of course option "3" above is highly illegal, so let's not encourage that.

People watching on the web means fewer network viewers and/or fewer DVDs sold, which means no more episodes of Heroes - something I think we'd all like not to occur anytime soon.
whatever LOL...If you don't have a "box" you are not counted, so download'm if you miss'm or watch'm online...btw I don't currently record any tv--have to build me another media pc--so I download all the shows I've missed or I watch them online--and "Heroes" will be the first tv show I buy as a DVD set...well HD DVD:)

Uh, yes I did, and I said as much.

Maybe you should read my post again.


So, then watching it on DVR is a no-no, too? Because that's what you're saying here.

I clearly said that if you record from OTA you can watch again in your own home. This is permitted, that you can re-watch for your own use... but you are not permitted to give that recording to someone else nor are you permitted to get someone else's recording and watch.

If you record from the free OTA viewing, you can watch again later... but downloading from a non-NBC site is not permission to use.

I'm not going to bring the moral police on anyone here... but I do hate to see folks trying so hard to justify stealing. Steal if you want, and if you get away with it... fine... but no need to try and justify how you really aren't doing anything wrong, when you know that you are or you wouldn't be trying so hard to explain it.

I clearly said that if you record from OTA you can watch again in your own home. This is permitted, that you can re-watch for your own use... but you are not permitted to give that recording to someone else nor are you permitted to get someone else's recording and watch.

If you record from the free OTA viewing, you can watch again later... but downloading from a non-NBC site is not permission to use.

I'm not going to bring the moral police on anyone here... but I do hate to see folks trying so hard to justify stealing. Steal if you want, and if you get away with it... fine... but no need to try and justify how you really aren't doing anything wrong, when you know that you are or you wouldn't be trying so hard to explain it.
Actually that is completely untrue. If you record the show onto a DVD or VHS and give it to a friend to watch, it is *NOT* illegal. It's what we call Fair Use. Turning around and *selling* it is a copyright infringement and is illegal. The question is whether giving it to 1000 friends is fair use or not, as it has never been tested in court (and the media companies hesitate to actually go to trial).

And you can't steal something if it's free.

So, anyway ...

how can Peter heal himself if he doesn't know he has the power to? :)

So, anyway ...

how can Peter heal himself if he doesn't know he has the power to? :)

It is speculated that since it is spontaneous regenerating (as is listed as what Claire's power is) that his body can heal without thinking about it.

So, anyway ...

how can Peter heal himself if he doesn't know he has the power to? :)


Actually, that was explained. The first time, he was just around Claire, so his DNA automatically rearranged itself to mimic Claire's powers, since she was in the vicinity.

The second time, when Peter was pushed off the roof by Claude, he THOUGHT of Claire, and that triggered his body's mimicking Claire's power. That's when he realized he had to THINK of the person, or at least how that person made him feel in order to mimic that ability. It's like pulling up a stored database of powers associated with that particular person. So if Peter thought of his bro, he can fly. If Peter thinks of Sylar, he becomes telekinetic among other things.

His body remembers the powers associated with each person he comes into contact with, and if his mind recalls that particular person the body mimicks that person's powers.

Actually, that was explained. The first time, he was just around Claire, so his DNA automatically rearranged itself to mimic Claire's powers, since she was in the vicinity.

The second time, when Peter was pushed off the roof by Claude, he THOUGHT of Claire, and that triggered his body's mimicking Claire's power. That's when he realized he had to THINK of the person, or at least how that person made him feel in order to mimic that ability. It's like pulling up a stored database of powers associated with that particular person. So if Peter thought of his bro, he can fly. If Peter thinks of Sylar, he becomes telekinetic among other things.

His body remembers the powers associated with each person he comes into contact with, and if his mind recalls that particular person the body mimicks that person's powers.

The only flaw in that is when Claire pulled the glass out he regenerated. He wasn't alive to have his dna resequence, and the last power he was using was invisibility. That is why I go with spontaneous regeneration.

The only flaw in that is when Claire pulled the glass out he regenerated. He wasn't alive to have his dna resequence, and the last power he was using was invisibility. That is why I go with spontaneous regeneration.

DNA expression is how they explain the powers in general (although it's actually more mystical in origin though it's never explicitly stated). So Claire AND Peter were both "dead" when their DNA expressed its natural ability after the obstacle that obstructed the spinal column from the brain was removed. Their explanation in itself is flawed, since Peter and Claire both "die" and come back. Also, Peter's DNA only resequenced itself ONCE, and that was when he first came into contact with Claire. It doesn't resequence itself everytime, the DNA just adapts to the powers of the people he's around, and it's in "memory" or at least resequenced for the first time so the potential is stored there until Peter can tap into it.

In any case, my answer to VisionOn's question still holds more or less. I'm not saying that the regeneration isn't spontaneous, I am saying that at first Peter had to have a trigger for it. The first time, it was Claire herself. The second time it was just the THOUGHT of Claire. After that, it became part of his nature, and he no longer, I suppose, has to consciously think of her in order to do it, it just comes naturally, and automatically when it's needed.

All things considered... the power to self-heal would be much less useful if it were not an automatic/spontaneous thing...

We normal humans don't have to think about healing in order to heal... we just heal, eventually. I would imagine the power Claire (and now Peter) has is essentially a much accelerated version of the natural healing process. This kind of power, to my thinking, would be automatic and not require conscious thought.

For that matter... I think some of the other powers would fall in that range as well... like the super-hearing power. That seems to me like a similar automatic thing.. Perhaps you can concentrate and NOT hear things as well... but without thinking, it seems like you would hear more. Perhaps Claire and Peter, for that matter, could actually will themselves not to heal! Not sure why they would want to... although it would explain Peter's future-scar perhaps... if he consciously decides not to heal it.

The tricky part with Claire and Peter... is the coming back from the dead part... clearly you can't concentrate when you are dead... so what keeps it working and ready to go once the brain block is removed? And for that matter... how long could it still happen? Both Claire and Peter were dead for a significant period of time.. Claire made it to autopsy and Peter made it across town... Could they be in that "state" indefinately?

Oh, and for the strange... I wonder if Claire's power would prevent her from having children. Just thinking about some of the logistics and it seems like her healing power might prove counter to how the reproductive process works, at least some parts of it... She could, in a sense, be a genetic dead-end. By which I mean, her power is a genetic combination of something from her parents... but she would not be able to pass it to her children if she couldn't have them. Peter, or Linderman for that matter, could be able to pass the proper genes to their children.

Not sure the show will get into any of this kind of thinking.. but it popped into my head.

Can she ever cut her hair, or is it always at that fixed length? When she gets a bad head wound, or fire damage, it grows right back to the same length.

I've done some digging around the marathon of "Heroes" that Sci-Fi is running this weekend and things are a little more complicated than even I anticipated. I've confirmed this with my own Time Warner Cable schedule grid, Sci-Fi's online schedule (http://www.scifi.com/schedulebot/index.php3?date=20-MAY-2007&feed_req=) and the show's www.tv.com episode guide. So please pay attention or your "Heroes" marathon will be ruined before you start watching it:

-Sci-Fi is NOT starting the marathon with the Pilot episode at 9AM Saturday. At 9AM "Homecoming" (episode #9) starts the proceedings in order all the way 'till 10PM with "Landslide" (episode #22).

-at 11PM Saturday Sci-Fi airs episode #1 of 'Heroes' ('Pilot,' AKA 'Genesis') all the way to episode #7 ('Nothing to Hide') at 5AM Sunday. So Fred, whatever you do, START WATCHING THE MARATHON OF "HEROES" ON YOUR TIVO WITH THE 11PM SATURDAY SHOW. Now here's a twist to your viewing needs:

-Sci-Fi is NOT showing in their marathon episode #8 ('Seven Minutes to Midnight'). Guess Sci-Fi wanted to show episode #22 (the next-to-last before Monday's finale) on the marathon, so one episode had to go. So after you watch episode #7 from your TiVo recordings but before you watch episode #9 (the one that starts the marathon Saturday at 9AM), you have to go to www.nbc.com and watch 'Seven Minutes to Midnight' (#8) online.

So no joke this time, things got a little complicated for any newbie on this Sci-Fi marathon.

Last episode = snore-fest.

Last episode = snore-fest.

?????

I can't understand that. I haven't found many episodes this season to be dull at all.

Especially the last few, where things have been ramping up considerably.

What were you expecting?

As for the spontaneous healing, I never said it wasn't. I said that Peter had to first TRIGGER it. That's it. Once he triggers it, it's a part of him, and it becomes a part of his body's natural processes. Until then, it's only latent potential.

Can she ever cut her hair, or is it always at that fixed length? When she gets a bad head wound, or fire damage, it grows right back to the same length.

I think this should qualify as the same kind of continuity glitch as when her clothes sometimes heal too! Or when the blood outside disappears..

In "reality" if you stab Claire, she would bleed... then she heals over the wound, but any blood that had bled out would still be outside and need to be wiped off and her clothes would still be torn... sometimes they forget about these details, so we just learn to overlook.

Hair is dead, the part we see anyway... the only living part of hair are the parts just underneath the skin where it grows and pushes out.... So, in reality a person with a healing power wouldn't be able to grow back hair like that. You could heal the head-wound, but you'd have to grow back the hair just like anyone else.

Cutting off hair isn't the same as a wound that your body would try to heal... it just wouldn't register at all... so again, I just write this off to a glitch.. plus every time they want to run Claire through the ringer they would have to have weeks of her half-bald growing back hair and that adds nothing to the plot so better just to let it magickally grow back and move onward.

just noticed something while watching the sci-fi run. when Nathan got away from Bennette and the haitian, thought the haitian also blocked powers. guess not. never actually added that up til now...

too bad they not doing the 2hr finale. hopefully they keep the comics going til next season.

just noticed something while watching the sci-fi run. when Nathan got away from Bennette and the haitian, thought the haitian also blocked powers. guess not. never actually added that up til now...

too bad they not doing the 2hr finale. hopefully they keep the comics going til next season.
He does. But there are debates on *how* he does it, as obviously it's not just his presence that can block abilities.

I think it was pretty obvious that Nathan flying off caught them both by surprise.

OK, you have entered the world of the sick and the insane. Not that I want to say either way is ok for that situation. However, if they are half brothers they still came for the same mother. Cliare would be Peters blood Niece. I never expected you to have a crazy side. All your post are straight forward and mostly OT. I like it!Go Palladin!
Well, I’ve been offline since last Wednesday, so I have to assume that I have angered either the television network or internet deities. :)

Sorry to disappoint, but I’m not quite as crazy as that post may have led you to think.

I had been re-watching some of the recent eps, as well as the eps at the time Peter saved Claire, and began to notice a pattern. Seemed like every time Claire sees Peter since the rescue, she gets this expression on her face that's beyond gratitude and trust, more like “Oh Peter. You’re just so dreamy. Sigh."

Now I can understand this kind of response immediately after the rescue itself, but once she found out this guy was her uncle, it seemed more than just a little inappropriate (no offense to any Appalachians intended ;) ). Makes me think about how the actor who played the oldest Brady son had dated his TV mother in real life.


I continue to be confused about HRG's morality. Practically every new scene his role as good or evil flips.
Maybe I shouldn't own up to this, but I find HRG to be the most interesting character on this show, because he is conflicted between his obligations to the company (In my mind, HRG is either ex-armed forces or spook) and his family. BTW, now that we know the back story of Claire’s upbringing, why aren’t we questioning what the scoop on her ‘brother’ is?


I think it was pretty obvious that Nathan flying off caught them both by surprise.
That’s exactly the way it appeared to me as well. But as we now know more about what seems to be going on here, this does seem peculiar. The Company seems to have an awful lot of info about the Heroes, but they don’t know a high-profile D.A. like Nathan Petrelli, is a next-gen who can fly? Geez, that intelligence 'net' seems to have a hole in it big enough to drive a submarine through. :rolleyes:

I wish I could have taken advantage of the marathon to see how the continuity of different subjects held up throughout the first season. A friend who watched the pilot ep called me to mention that in the pilot, Isaac tells Simone that his Painting Prophecy Power (say that 3 times fast) was “EVIL”, something I certainly didn’t remember from that long ago, and now I’m wondering exactly what he meant, particularly in context of more recent events.

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I had been re-watching some of the recent eps, as well as the eps at the time Peter saved Claire, and began to notice a pattern. Seemed like every time Claire sees Peter since the rescue, she gets this expression on her face that's beyond gratitude and trust, more like “Oh Peter. You’re just so dreamy. Sigh."

Now I can understand this kind of response immediately after the rescue itself, but once she found out this guy was her uncle, it seemed more than just a little inappropriate (no offense to any Appalachians intended ;) ). Makes me think about how the actor who played the oldest Brady son had dated his TV mother in real life.




My wife and I have made the same observation. We both think there is some off set chemistry going on here.... :D

I've done some digging around the marathon of "Heroes" that Sci-Fi is running this weekend and things are a little more complicated than even I anticipated. I've confirmed this with my own Time Warner Cable schedule grid, Sci-Fi's online schedule (http://www.scifi.com/schedulebot/index.php3?date=20-MAY-2007&feed_req=) and the show's www.tv.com episode guide. So please pay attention or your "Heroes" marathon will be ruined before you start watching it:

-Sci-Fi is NOT starting the marathon with the Pilot episode at 9AM Saturday. At 9AM "Homecoming" (episode #9) starts the proceedings in order all the way 'till 10PM with "Landslide" (episode #22).

-at 11PM Saturday Sci-Fi airs episode #1 of 'Heroes' ('Pilot,' AKA 'Genesis') all the way to episode #7 ('Nothing to Hide') at 5AM Sunday. So Fred, whatever you do, START WATCHING THE MARATHON OF "HEROES" ON YOUR TIVO WITH THE 11PM SATURDAY SHOW. Now here's a twist to your viewing needs:

-Sci-Fi is NOT showing in their marathon episode #8 ('Seven Minutes to Midnight'). Guess Sci-Fi wanted to show episode #22 (the next-to-last before Monday's finale) on the marathon, so one episode had to go. So after you watch episode #7 from your TiVo recordings but before you watch episode #9 (the one that starts the marathon Saturday at 9AM), you have to go to www.nbc.com and watch 'Seven Minutes to Midnight' (#8) online.

So no joke this time, things got a little complicated for any newbie on this Sci-Fi marathon.
I recorded the Sci-Fi Channel marathon in order to catch up. It’s SD, of course, but I give Sci-Fi high marks for showing it OAR.

The episodes were shown out of order and, as noted above, several were skipped. I have no idea what that was about. Anyway, I am grateful for the chance to (mostly) catch up because I didn’t start watching the series until recently. It’s a really good show. I got a particular kick out of the way Claire and Bennett/H.R.G. collaborated to get even with the quarterback. Good stuff!

I think it was pretty obvious that Nathan flying off caught them both by surprise.

That’s exactly the way it appeared to me as well. But as we now know more about what seems to be going on here, this does seem peculiar. The Company seems to have an awful lot of info about the Heroes, but they don’t know a high-profile D.A. like Nathan Petrelli, is a next-gen who can fly? Geez, that intelligence 'net' seems to have a hole in it big enough to drive a submarine through. :rolleyes:

exactly what I was thinking/saying...

as for Isaac, that's why he said he could finally be a hero before he died. He always thought it was a curse.

As far as the company not knowing, remember Bennet is only middle management and didn't know the real plan.

As far as the company not knowing, remember Bennet is only middle management and didn't know the real plan.
Yes, but The Company should certainly have known, and if I was sending two of my agents (HRG and The Haitian - will somebody please give that guy a name already?) out on an 'assignment' to capture/bring in/question Nate Petrelli, I would probably clue them in at least to the fact that their prey could escape by taking off like a supersonic jet from a motionless position, and preparing them for that contingency.

OTOH, if you are suggesting that Linderman had them do this to force Nate to fly, as part of his secret agenda, well obviously that's a different story.

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Can she ever cut her hair, or is it always at that fixed length? When she gets a bad head wound, or fire damage, it grows right back to the same length.

Claire's perpetual healing ability also makes her a perpetual virgin too.....just a thought... :)

Claire's perpetual healing ability also makes her a perpetual virgin too.....just a thought... :)

Another thing I was wondering in that general area is if she would be able to have a period. Seems like a futile effort.

I pretty much said the same thing, in a more vague way, in an earlier post when I wondered if Claire's power would allow her to have children. My thinking is not.

Yes, but The Company should certainly have known, and if I was sending two of my agents (HRG and The Haitian - will somebody please give that guy a name already?) out on an 'assignment' to capture/bring in/question Nate Petrelli, I would probably clue them in at least to the fact that their prey could escape by taking off like a supersonic jet from a motionless position, and preparing them for that contingency.

OTOH, if you are suggesting that Linderman had them do this to force Nate to fly, as part of his secret agenda, well obviously that's a different story.

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It's also obvious that Nathan tried *very* hard to hide his ability. Even after his brother came to him telling him stories of flying, he kept it secret. It's possible the company knew he was a hero, but didn't know what he could do because he never used his ability.

Completely OT, but do you really type that stuff out every time instead of setting up a signature???

Another thing I was wondering in that general area is if she would be able to have a period. Seems like a futile effort.
You've taken this waaaaaaaaaay too far.

You've taken this waaaaaaaaaay too far.

I'm not sure about that. Isn't one of the main plot lines the fact that these heroes have parents that have powers and the grandparents have powers and so on?

So Claire either can't have children at all or maybe her second power is the ability to crank out baby heroes one after another for the rest of her life. Her reproductive system would basically be as good as new after each child and possibly could last decades past a normal person.

I'm not sure about that. Isn't one of the main plot lines the fact that these heroes have parents that have powers and the grandparents have powers and so on?

Um, not so far. There have only been two families we've seen that have powers - the Petrellis and the Sanders - and even they are only two generations deep. Everyone else has been a single hero that we know of.

I think the next season is supposed to be exploring some of the familial ties and generational connections amongst the heroes.

Also I think Hiro's father must have some kind of power that just hasn't been displayed yet.

I was near a TV yesterday when someone was interviewing the cast of Heroes. I heard one of them say the last 3 minutes of tonight's episode will be the first 3 minutes of Season 2.

I also heard that the actor that plays Hiro has an IQ of something like 186.

Um, not so far. There have only been two families we've seen that have powers - the Petrellis and the Sanders - and even they are only two generations deep. Everyone else has been a single hero that we know of.

There have been references to a at least a few more characters whose "genetics" run in the family.

I was near a TV yesterday when someone was interviewing the cast of Heroes. I heard one of them say the last 3 minutes of tonight's episode will be the first 3 minutes of Season 2.

I also heard that the actor that plays Hiro has an IQ of something like 186.
Not surprising. He uses parts of the brain most of us just have vacant signs on. What is the theory about a human brain? Isn't the average person just using 20 pecent of the brain, I think that number could be lower. He is a smarty head. But his parents probably hate his career choice. I know a couple of high IQ people, and there life dream is nothing near the occupation that Dad and Mom had in mind. Think about it, life imiates art. When it came to Hiro's daddy wanted him to run his company, But Hiro showed him that the mission was more important so the high paying job was given to the sister, while he was able to complete the beginnings of his mission. Now he has the belief and honor from daddy he alwasy craved.

As for the first Item Heroes Season 1 is suppose to end up right were S2 kicks off. All items are suppose to be answered which might lead to questionable cliffhanger, if any. But I think episode 22 & 21 had a good enogh cliffhangers that a third one not needed. Just let it end with a bang. Big bash at my house but 24 leads the way with Heroes getting the double play right after. I know this has upset a few of you. But I don't want to watch a replay before I play the new one. This is why 24 takes the lead. Heroes did start in second after 24 premiered but was so good during the third part of the season that 24 was dropped to second. have fun tonight guys, hopefully there will some brain movement by the time I check AVS at 7am.

The last few episodes have started with the ending 2-3 minutes of the previous episode so I'm not surprised that the finale will follow the same formula.

Not surprising. He uses parts of the brain most of us just have vacant signs on. What is the theory about a human brain? Isn't the average person just using 20 pecent of the brain, I think that number could be lower.
No, we use all of our brains, just typically not more than 20% at a time.

No, we use all of our brains, just typically not more than 20% at a time.
I knew it was one way like that, Just got Heroes in my brain so am focused on sci-fi talking about true body use. Me not so smart right now, but eating brains foe speacial abilities sounds really cool! Walking through walls a must use power. And shape shifting yourself to be anyone, and shifting the environment in the mind of your target. It can't get much better then that. Imagine being Trump for a day and get to bring a honey to the presidential suite at the Trump Taj mahal. The only thing needed would be a signature and the staff knows to be hush hush about his arrival. You know he has his choice of women. Or be Mr Gates and send money to district 55 to restock the whole districts computers or course with a 40% markup. You still get the computers but keep the mark up and it still gets good press for mt. gates but he doesn't remember it. But that is why he is stepping down to be more giving. You see sci fi mode thinking of what good I could do if I was able to have each power. Some personal gain but I would give back also.

No, we use all of our brains, just typically not more than 20% at a time.

This reminds me of a very old movie with Rip Torn and Meryl Streep. "Defending Your Life." There was much talk about how large a percentage of your brain was used by living humans vs. the "angels" that were running the way station.

This reminds me of a very old movie with Rip Torn and Meryl Streep. "Defending Your Life." There was much talk about how large a percentage of your brain was used by living humans vs. the "angels" that were running the way station.
I love that film. "A very old movie"? Geez, you must be a fairly young guy. It came out in 1991!! Do you also refer to The Godfather as a 'very old movie'? That one was 1972. How 'bout Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)?? Scarface (1983)?? Apocalypse Now (1979)??

Just out of curiosity, if 1991 makes it a 'very old movie', how would you characterize films like The Wizard of Oz, Casablanca, North by Northwest, or Rebel Without a Cause? Are they categorized as pre-civilization?

Too many damn young whippersnappers at this site :mad: ;) . Ahh (bones creak in the background), that rant actually felt pretty good. :D

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Um, not so far. There have only been two families we've seen that have powers - the Petrellis and the Sanders - and even they are only two generations deep. Everyone else has been a single hero that we know of.
C'mon now, you don't doubt that Sulu will end up having powers, do you? I not only expect it, but I’m waiting for the return of Simone Deveaux’ father as another 1st gen, and somehow I suspect a ‘powered’ Simone will unfortunately end up being on that same train at some point, as well. Now I know you don't think they introduced them for the sole purpose of killing off a few non-powered ancillary characters for the hell of it, so what other purpose do they serve?

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Here's a headline I spotted in today's Japan Today.

"Many young employees ready to explode, warn experts"

So how do you stop an exploding man?

pretty anticlimatic

I thought that was a great way to end the season. The only complaint I have is that Sylar is living after that. I really love him as a character, but there is no real reason that he should have survived that. I thought it would have meant so much more if Hiro had been able to actually kill him.

Also, was anybody able to make out the flashes in Sylar's eyes when he was dying? I assume that by the way they glazed over that they were visions of the future.

So any guesses at who is the villain that is worst than Sylar? Think it's anybody we've seen already?

Wow.... not sure what I think of the finale. Some new twists, answered questions, and another very disappointing showdown with ??? and ??? (don't want to spoil it for anyone that decided not to watch the preview or the episode yet).

I thought that was a great way to end the season. The only complaint I have is that Sylar is living after that. I really love him as a character, but there is no real reason that he should have survived that. I thought it would have meant so much more if Hiro had been able to actually kill him.

Also, was anybody able to make out the flashes in Sylar's eyes when he was dying? I assume that by the way they glazed over that they were visions of the future.

So any guesses at who is the villain that is worst than Sylar? Think it's anybody we've seen already? Someone or something (more than likely the entity Molly talked about) dragged Sylar into the sewer. I don't think he is alive.

A let down. . .

So that's how Save the Cheerleader....Save the World works!

OKAY! So how long to next season?......HHmmm


Djoel

A let down. . .

Maybe spoilers...

Really, I thought, from an entertainment standpoint, it was a home run! While it would have been cool to see the two duke it out, that would have been a little cliche...

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I particularly enjoyed Micah showing off his skills to Molly. That got a nice "Awwww.... That's my boyeeee!!!" from me.

Regarding the "Volume Two" epilogue: Did anybody else expect Hiro to get up and come face-to-face with a living, breathing T-Rex? That would've been MUCH more satisfying, in my opinion.




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Things heated up real quick when Nikki/Jessica joined the fray. :D But then it cooled off just as quickly....:(

For those who were surprised that Sylar survived, remember he wasn't originally supposed to but his character became popular enough they knew they'd need to bring him back next season.

Things heated up real quick when Nikki/Jessica joined the fray. :D But then it cooled off just as quickly....:(

Yeah, it reminds me of Buffy's first season. I loved the show and all, but the fight scenes simply sucked. Then they went ahead and hired a great fight coordinator (Jeff Pruitt) for Season Two, and the differences were like night and day.

That said, I thought Nikki vs. "Jessica" was rather well-done. Also, Nikki vs. D.L. from earlier in the season was also pretty good.

OKAY! So how long to next season?......HHmmm


Djoel

Last I heard, they are going to run a “Heroes: Origins” at the beginning of the fall season. Viewers will vote for the heroes we like, and they will become part of season two, which I believe starts in January. It is sort of like American Idol: Heroes.

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I particularly enjoyed Micah showing off his skills to Molly. That got a nice "Awwww.... That's my boyeeee!!!" from me.

Regarding the "Volume Two" epilogue: Did anybody else expect Hiro to get up and come face-to-face with a living, breathing T-Rex? That would've been MUCH more satisfying, in my opinion.




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Where did you guys get the impression that Sylar was alive? I must have missed something.

Where did you guys get the impression that Sylar was alive? I must have missed something.

...there was a blood trail leading to the sewer.