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Heroes Creator Solves Finale's Biggest Mystery
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Tv-Guide-News/Heroes-Creator-Solves/800015727

At the conclusion of the Kirby Plaza skirmish on Heroes' first-season finale, why didn't Peter just fly his explosive self up, up and away, instead of making Nathan take one for the team, as well? Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."

When assured that viewers are, Kring confirms that — as many have theorized — radioactive Peter's other powers were "incapacitated" at that pivotal moment, and "somewhere in there is the explanation" for having Nathan grab his bro and do the "flying man!" thing. "But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"

"Yes, I will admit that there’s a very tiny window of logic there," Kring continues with a laugh. "But what can I say? It's requires the proverbial suspension of disbelief." Which, when airing opposite 24, a season finale is certainly allowed.

"But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"

C'mon, Kring...that may be true but don't admit it!! How long has this guy been in showbiz, anyway? :eek:

A better answer would've been something like "We thought it was obvious that radioactive Peter couldn't control his powers and we didn't want to insult the intelligence of the viewer with redundant exposition." Thereby insinuating that anyone who questions it must be a simpleton. :rolleyes:

Really, I didn't have so much a problem with Nathan flying Peter away as the overall lameness of the Peter/Sylar/Hiro fight, which was probably due to budget restrictions. I think most people are in the same boat. (Oh, my other issue was the lazy writing and complete punt on Peter's little time travel thing: "How did I get here?" "Does it really matter?" To some people, yes, we'd like to know how the h311 that happened...maybe it'll be revisited at some point but I doubt it.)

Also, Beeman's blog was fluff this week. He didn't say anything remotely interesting. Bummer.

This post sounds a bit too harsh. The finale wasn't completely awful by itself, just a letdown after the season's worth of build up. I was entertained (as long as I didn't think about it too much), and I guess that is the important thing.

Also, Beeman's blog was fluff this week. He didn't say anything remotely interesting. Bummer.

I noticed that as well. I'm thinking he's either just tired or he didn't want to address all the negative response to the finale.

I think 400 years of cross breeding across many nationalities can pretty much dilute strong regional traits regarding appearance. Anyway, we'll see next season. For now, that's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. ;)
I'm thinking DL would be a real stretch to be decended from Hiro's roots...even in 400 years.

TV Guide News Report
Heroes Creator Solves Finale's Biggest Mystery
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Tv-Guide-News/Heroes-Creator-Solves/800015727

At the conclusion of the Kirby Plaza skirmish on Heroes' first-season finale, why didn't Peter just fly his explosive self up, up and away, instead of making Nathan take one for the team, as well? Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."

When assured that viewers are, Kring confirms that — as many have theorized — radioactive Peter's other powers were "incapacitated" at that pivotal moment, and "somewhere in there is the explanation" for having Nathan grab his bro and do the "flying man!" thing. "But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"

"Yes, I will admit that there’s a very tiny window of logic there," Kring continues with a laugh. "But what can I say? It's requires the proverbial suspension of disbelief." Which, when airing opposite 24, a season finale is certainly allowed.
If this is going to be his approach to show, It's over and done I'm afraid.

Although I personally wasn't let down, I'm at least glad that we have another season of Heroes ahead of us.

It was harder to sit through the VM finale last night and know that I wasn't going to get to enjoy that show again.

Some of the comments I've seen on this thread are so pessimistic or fatalistic ("It's over and done I'm afraid"), I wonder if everything else in your lives (work, spouses, kids) lives up to what appear to be extremely high expectations, and how you handle it when they don't.

Although I personally wasn't let down, I'm at least glad that we have another season of Heroes ahead of us.

It was harder to sit through the VM finale last night and know that I wasn't going to get to enjoy that show again.

Some of the comments I've seen on this thread are so pessimistic or fatalistic ("It's over and done I'm afraid"), I wonder if everything else in your lives (work, spouses, kids) lives up to what appear to be extremely high expectations, and how you handle it when they don't.
Well, I'm neither pessimistic nor fatalistic about Heroes future. OTOH, hope does not spring eternal.

But as far as the rest of the stuff in my life goes, generally I change their schedules, send them away on hiatus until they do as they're told, and often replace them with better known family members that have a higher audience Q!

Is there an alternative? ;)
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Some of the comments I've seen on this thread are so pessimistic or fatalistic ("It's over and done I'm afraid"), I wonder if everything else in your lives (work, spouses, kids) lives up to what appear to be extremely high expectations, and how you handle it when they don't.
The man basically said he wanted Nathan to save the day even if it didn't make any sense--or it's up to you to have it make sense in your own mind...how does that bode well for the show when the fans dissect it in every way they can?????...why are we discussing any of the aspects of this show, when it's creator says it doesn't matter how or why something happened, just that it happened???????

I hope he changes his approach for next season and puts more thought into the details...btw, that's optimism:)

I think 400 years of cross breeding across many nationalities can pretty much dilute strong regional traits regarding appearance. Anyway, we'll see next season. For now, that's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. ;)


Actually, I think I like that theory better now that I've given it some thought. ;)

Well, that didn’t take long. I’m gonna have you convinced on the Starbuck issue before too long. ;)

here is a message from the Director of heroes Greg Beeman from another website:

So, while you guys may have to wait 3 months or so for the next installment, let me encourage you with the following news: First we here at HEROES are already all back at work. Episode 1 is being written as we speak and we begin shooting episode 1 in about 1 short month. I have heard the writers pitch out the story lines for the next season and lemme tell you they are freakin’ awesome. There are new characters. New powers. Some of the characters you have come to know and love, in fact, DID die last night. And ALL those who survive will be moving on in new and unexpected directions. We are all ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED to not repeating ourselves next season – but in bringing you a freshly conceived show. Also, the reason we are beginning so early is that we are all committed to long runs of the show next year with very few, and very short hiatuses. We don’t want to be off the air with new episodes for 5 or 6 weeks anymore.

The man basically said he wanted Nathan to save the day even if it didn't make any sense--or it's up to you to have it make sense in your own mind...how does that bode well for the show when the fans dissect it in every way they can?????...why are we discussing any of the aspects of this show, when it's creator says it doesn't matter how or why something happened, just that it happened???????

That's exactly why I gave up on this thread for a few weeks leading up to the finale: it seemed like the people here were spending more time arguing over the subtleties of the characters' powers (particularly Peter's) than the writers did. The writers have explained each the powers to the extent that they understand them, and further argument is just masturbation.

I'm OK with some dangling inconsistencies with the powers because they are supernatural and ultimately defy explanation anyway. But more pedestrian dramatic elements like, oh, say motivations, should be self-consistent. And on Heroes, they aren't. (Or don't seem to be, stay tuned until next year, blah blah blah.) To be fair to Heroes, this is not uncommon in popular TV (or movies, books, video games, etc). But it is what keeps Heroes in the realm of popcorn entertainment (bordering on guilty pleasure) as opposed to something that is appreciable on a deeper level.

The world needs popcorn entertainment too, and so far I've found Heroes to be one of the best shows on TV in filling that need, disappointing finale and all.

TV Guide News Report
Heroes Creator Solves Finale's Biggest Mystery
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Tv-Guide-News/Heroes-Creator-Solves/800015727

At the conclusion of the Kirby Plaza skirmish on Heroes' first-season finale, why didn't Peter just fly his explosive self up, up and away, instead of making Nathan take one for the team, as well? Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."


So, "theoretically" are we also not supposed to think about why it is that not a single one of them noticed Sylar was gone?

I'm sorry, I love this show, but that is the laziest writing I have ever seen.

That's exactly why I gave up on this thread for a few weeks leading up to the finale: it seemed like the people here were spending more time arguing over the subtleties of the characters' powers (particularly Peter's) than the writers did.
Amen. Same thing happens in the Lost thread, which I've basically given up on.

Fans can come up with reasons for anything.

Everyone knows that a low altitude N-bomb is more devastating than one on the ground.

It took both brothers to get the acceleration and altitude to make the bomb "safe", although fallout should still be an issue.

Have you forgotten about the Petrelli's? Ma has some sort of power since she's part of the conspiracy, although we don't know what it is yet, and Linderman said that Pa Petrelli had a power too, although even the comic didn't hint at what it might be. We'll find out next year.

And we have also met both of Claire's parents (have you actually been watching the show?) - Nathan and Firestarter, both of whom obviously have powers.

And, of course, Micah.archiguy,

You're getting a little condescending, aren't you? And yes, I have been watching the show. Very closely, in fact.

You were the one who said that a "hero" must have "hero" parents. My examples are correct, as far as has been shown on TV or in the Graphic Novels. Sylar mother didn't seem to be a "hero" and his dad was not featured. As for Mohinder's sister, if she did in fact have powers, she would have come from non-powered parents.

Of course I realize that Angela Petrelli had sons that have powers. That's blatantly obvious. You're using the wrong example to back up your previous statement.

Maybe you should re-read your posts.

ft

Well, that didn’t take long. I’m gonna have you convinced on the Starbuck issue before too long. ;)

The willingness to be flexible and adaptable with regard to new information is an important characteristic of a leader (read into current events any way you like. ;) ) As to your second sentence, awww Dude, you were supposed to have changed your mind about that after last Saturday's show! :(

archiguy,

You're getting a little condescending, aren't you? And yes, I have been watching the show. Very closely, in fact.

You were the one who said that a "hero" must have "hero" parents. My examples are correct, as far as has been shown on TV or in the Graphic Novels. Sylar mother didn't seem to be a "hero" and his dad was not featured. As for Mohinder's sister, if she did in fact have powers, she would have come from non-powered parents.

Of course I realize that Angela Petrelli had sons that have powers. That's blatantly obvious. You're using the wrong example to back up your previous statement.

Maybe you should re-read your posts.

ft

I don't need to re-read my posts, but I re-read yours. Here's what you said:

"For the most part, we don't know both parents of a hero. The exception being Mohinder's sister, who was alluded to having powers. Both parents don't seem to have powers."

You were wrong. You forgot about Nathan, Peter, Claire, and Micah. We know both parents for each of those. Since they're all principal characters, that's what generated the comment. While you may think it's obvious, and it is, that's not what you said. Anyway, methinks you doth protest too much. It's all rather silly in the final analysis, is it not?

I don't to get into the subtleties because mdr25, but I will say that we don't really have an idea as to what type of nuclear reaction peter is capable of.

I don't need to re-read my posts, but I re-read yours. Here's what you said:

"For the most part, we don't know both parents of a hero. The exception being Mohinder's sister, who was alluded to having powers. Both parents don't seem to have powers."

You were wrong. You forgot about Nathan, Peter, Claire, and Micah. We know both parents for each of those. Since they're all principal characters, that's what generated the comment. While you may think it's obvious, and it is, that's not what you said. Anyway, methinks you doth protest too much. It's all rather silly in the final analysis, is it not?
OK, my bad. I worded my thoughts poorly.

What I meant to convey was that we do not know of any hero that have two non-hero parents, with the possible exception of Mohinder's sister.

I was replying to your speculation that Hiro's dad must have a power since Hiro has a power. While I agree that Hiro's dad probably has a power, it's not gospel that a hero must have hero parents (one or both).

ft

I was replying to your speculation that Hiro's dad must have a power since Hiro has a power. While I agree that Hiro's dad probably has a power, it's not gospel that a hero must have hero parents (one or both).

ft

Au contraire, I think we're almost certain that the ability to have powers is inherited. The only question now is: does it take only one or both parents to have a power before an offspring has one? For that answer, we'll have to wait until next year.

I haven't listened/read to any of the podcasts, blogs, etc. I wonder if the producers have addressed this question yet? I'm guessing no, or somebody would have posted the "definitive word" by now.

Au contraire, I think we're almost certain that the ability to have powers is inherited. The only question now is: does it take only one or both parents to have a power before an offspring has one? For that answer, we'll have to wait until next year.

I haven't listened/read to any of the podcasts, blogs, etc. I wonder if the producers have addressed this question yet? I'm guessing no, or somebody would have posted the "definitive word" by now.
Well, that's the point that I was disagreeing with. Mohinder's sister has been alluded to as having a power, yet neither of her parents had powers. Right now, she is the only one that may fall into that category.

As for needing one or both parents, it's pretty likely that it doesn't take both parents. Maybe one or perhaps none is required.

Based on the graphic novel, it didn't seem as though Papa Petrelli had powers and at least one of the two Petrelli sons was his, most likely Nathan. There's speculation that perhaps Peter is Linderman's son, but there's no real evidence so far.

Also, Nikki's dad didn't seem like he had powers and the same goes for DL's mom, and Sylar's mom.

My personal thinking is that lineage has nothing to do with whether you can have powers or not. I'm thinking it's just a mutation of sorts.

It's all fun speculation until Season 2.

ft

As to your second sentence, awww Dude, you were supposed to have changed your mind about that after last Saturday's show! :(

Believe it or not, I still haven't watched it yet! The wife doesn't care for it, so I've been getting to all the other season finales this week on the DVR instead.

Maybe tomorrow night...

The wife doesn't care for it, so I've been getting to all the other season finales this week on the DVR instead.


:eek: I know a good divorce attorney.... :p

:eek: I know a good divorce attorney.... :p

Nah, she has a few other attributes that out weigh that. ;)

Even harder to believe is that I've still managed to avoid spoilers of this ep, even though I've been frequenting lots of threads here at AVS occupied by BSG fans like yourself. ;)

Anyway, back to Heroes...

So, how did Peter get that scar anyway?

So, how did Peter get that scar anyway?

He tried to cut his own hair, and it went very, very wrong and because he inflicted his own injury it didn't heal.

Au contraire, I think we're almost certain that the ability to have powers is inherited.
No, you're certain that your opinion is right. But right now, let's list the heroes that are known to have parents with abilities:

Claire
Micah

Wow. You're right - that's proof right there. Now, let's list heroes who's parents you assume had powers, but we have no proof of:

Nathan
Peter
Hiro

Damn, that's another very long list. Real quick, let's run down the heroes that have no known parents with abilities:

Parkman
Ted
Isaac
Sylar
DL
Nikki/Jessica
the Haitian
Charlie
Claud Raines
Hana
Brian Davis
Eden
Linderman
Meredith Gordon (Claire's mom)
Sanjog Iyer
Dale Smither
Zane Taylor
Candace

And that doesn't include characters that have *only* appeared in the comics or on Suresh's list/map. But you're right, incontrovertible proof!

Well, that's the point that I was disagreeing with. Mohinder's sister has been alluded to as having a power, yet neither of her parents had powers. Right now, she is the only one that may fall into that category.

As for needing one or both parents, it's pretty likely that it doesn't take both parents. Maybe one or perhaps none is required.

Actually, you bring up a good point. We know that Mohinder's pop didn't have powers, but we don't yet know anything about his mother, which gives credence to the "one powered parent" theory. I'm afraid I can't remember what the deal was with his sister... :o

Based on the graphic novel, it didn't seem as though Papa Petrelli had powers and at least one of the two Petrelli sons was his, most likely Nathan. There's speculation that perhaps Peter is Linderman's son, but there's no real evidence so far.

Right. The comics make no mention of Papa Petrelli having powers, but Linderman says he became one of the SuperGroup (just coining a phrase), so maybe he did after all. We'll find out next year.

My personal thinking is that lineage has nothing to do with whether you can have powers or not. I'm thinking it's just a mutation of sorts.

I'm really liking Irmo's theory about the eclipse being the origin of the heroes. After that, they were inherited. That makes the most sense to me. Right now. ;)

He tried to cut his own hair, and it went very, very wrong and because he inflicted his own injury it didn't heal.

Or a shaving accident gone horribly wrong.

I'm really liking Irmo's theory about the eclipse being the origin of the heroes. After that, they were inherited. That makes the most sense to me. Right now. ;)

Does that mean I can be like that poster in the Lost thread and claim "I thought it first!" and get all self-congratulatory? :D

And that doesn't include characters that have *only* appeared in the comics or on Suresh's list/map. But you're right, incontrovertible proof!

That's a pretty comprehensive post (and took some work), fair enough! :D In my defense, we don't know anything one way or another, yet, about the lineage of those folks with powers on your third list. But within the framework of the show, it makes sense to me. Anyway, let's have a "gentlemen's bet" on it - we'll revisit the issue next year when we know more. ;)

Does that mean I can be like that poster in the Lost thread and claim "I thought it first!" and get all self-congratulatory? :D

Well, I would. ;)

That's a pretty comprehensive post (and took some work), fair enough! :D In my defense, we don't know anything one way or another, yet, about the lineage of those folks with powers on your third list. But within the framework of the show, it makes sense to me. Anyway, let's have a "gentlemen's bet" on it - we'll revisit the issue next year when we know more. ;)
Agreed. ;)

For the record, I think power-enabled parents will pass on the "hero" gene/dna sequence/whatever, but I don't think it's required for having a power. I suspect that some people gain the power on their own, a la X-Men.

What about Molly's parents? Wasn't her father killed by Sylar by Sylar slicing open her father's head, presumably to "eat his brain" and learn his ability? But yet Molly's mom was pinned to the wall with knives, her head was not cut open and brain was not eaten. (or was it cut and eaten? I can't recall now) Seems like only one parent was needed in her case. (or maybe both)

Or a shaving accident gone horribly wrong.

he was probably using one of those new 8 bladed razors they'll have in five years time.

For the record, I think power-enabled parents will pass on the "hero" gene/dna sequence/whatever, but I don't think it's required for having a power. I suspect that some people gain the power on their own, a la X-Men.

That's pretty good, too. Did we see an eclipse during the first episode? Maybe that's the trigger...

That's pretty good, too. Did we see an eclipse during the first episode? Maybe that's the trigger...

Indeed, we did.

But the show's producers have said that the eclipse had nothing to do with it...

It took both brothers to get the acceleration and altitude to make the bomb "safe", although fallout should still be an issue.
What fallout? It's not like Peter is a real nuclear bomb - he just emits lots of energy.

What fallout? It's not like Peter is a real nuclear bomb - he just emits lots of energy.
In gas stations all over the tri-state area, microwave burritos spontaniously cook...

What fallout? It's not like Peter is a real nuclear bomb - he just emits lots of energy.

Then how did Tim's wife die? Wasn't it radiation posioning?

That's pretty good, too. Did we see an eclipse during the first episode? Maybe that's the trigger...
Sure, if we're ready to flush Darwin and most of what's been uncovered with gene theory down the toilet, well than yeah, anything's possible. :rolleyes:

Personally, I thought it was only those rare individuals who know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie-Pop. ;)

Next!

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Then how did Tim's wife die? Wasn't it radiation posioning?

yes it was, but based on what we've seen, Ted emitted lots of different types of energy. Some that cause spontaneous combustion, some kind of invisible radioactive energy, and some kind of controlled fission.

We've seen that power have lots of different effects. Killing his wife, burning the house, killing all the flowers, making energy ball type things. They would have to be all different forms of energy (maybe based on his mood) because otherwise some of the characters would be dead from being too close to Ted.

And I've just realized something. In the future Sylar/Peter confrontation, VFX guy confirmed it was fire vs ice.

Ted couldn't create fire in his hands. Claire's mom could. That means Peter would have had to have met Claire's mom at some point.

Sure, if we're ready to flush Darwin and most of what's been uncovered with gene theory down the toilet, well than yeah, anything's possible. :rolleyes:



Well, I thought it was pretty clear by now that Darwin has nothing to do with the 'Heroes' universe. ;)

In fact, in some less evolved parts of the south and midwest, it's felt that Darwin doesn't have anything to do with our universe. :p

Then how did Tim's wife die? Wasn't it radiation posioning?
I think it's more like being exposed to X-Rays or other similar radiation types. When the X-Ray machine is on, it's dangerous. When it's off, it's safe. However, if you have enough X-rays, you can be harmed by them.

It's not like a nuclear explosion where matter is scattered and remains in the air, on the ground and in the water supply. You get a jolt, when he goes off, but as soon as it's over, it stops. There is no actual matter dispersed. Hence, no fallout.

Well, I thought it was pretty clear by now that Darwin has nothing to do with the 'Heroes' universe. ;)

In fact, in some less evolved parts of the south and midwest, it's felt that Darwin doesn't have anything to do with our universe. :p
Hey, they're just science-fantasy fans.

Like us.

But different. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Hey, they're just science-fantasy fans.

Like us.

But different. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Waaaay different. :D

Was this Volume One final episode the only one that Mr. Kring wrote? If so, he should let his other geeks writers write the episodes.

Hong.

Well, I thought it was pretty clear by now that Darwin has nothing to do with the 'Heroes' universe. ;)

In fact, in some less evolved parts of the south and midwest, it's felt that Darwin doesn't have anything to do with our universe. :p
:p :D

C'mon, Kring...that may be true but don't admit it!! How long has this guy been in showbiz, anyway? :eek:

A better answer would've been something like "We thought it was obvious that radioactive Peter couldn't control his powers and we didn't want to insult the intelligence of the viewer with redundant exposition." Thereby insinuating that anyone who questions it must be a simpleton. :rolleyes:

Really, I didn't have so much a problem with Nathan flying Peter away as the overall lameness of the Peter/Sylar/Hiro fight, which was probably due to budget restrictions. I think most people are in the same boat. (Oh, my other issue was the lazy writing and complete punt on Peter's little time travel thing: "How did I get here?" "Does it really matter?" To some people, yes, we'd like to know how the h311 that happened...maybe it'll be revisited at some point but I doubt it.)

Also, Beeman's blog was fluff this week. He didn't say anything remotely interesting. Bummer.

This post sounds a bit too harsh. The finale wasn't completely awful by itself, just a letdown after the season's worth of build up. I was entertained (as long as I didn't think about it too much), and I guess that is the important thing.

I never thought this show really aspired to being logically consistent, just entertaining. There are a ton of holes to the story, but that doesn't matter, IMHO, as long as it's entertaining.

In any case, there are better explanations for why Peter couldn't just fly up: for one, he spent too much energy trying to contain his atomic power. Any diversion away from that and he feared he might explode. Thus, a second party would need to be involved. That would have been either Hiro or Nathan. Hiro was busy taking out Sylar, or something to that effect, so Nathan comes by and saves the day.

I loved the season finale, I was just disappointed with the actual fight between Peter and Sylar.

As far as Peter's time travel thing, it seems to me that it's similar to the time when he blacked out and "traveled" to the future, where he saw himself explode. He was still in the present, in body, but in the future in consciousness. Same principle I think goes with what happened here. I think his consciousness essentially time traveled.

The man basically said he wanted Nathan to save the day even if it didn't make any sense--or it's up to you to have it make sense in your own mind...how does that bode well for the show when the fans dissect it in every way they can?????...why are we discussing any of the aspects of this show, when it's creator says it doesn't matter how or why something happened, just that it happened???????

I hope he changes his approach for next season and puts more thought into the details...btw, that's optimism:)

I hope so too, but seriously, the show never really makes a huge effort to cover up its plot holes (and there are plenty). It's often to the fans' credit that they can actually make some of it logically consistent.

here is a message from the Director of heroes Greg Beeman from another website:


All I can say is Peter better be back, along with Hiro (which is obvious). They're my favorite characters on the show.

Some random, yet connected thoughts...

When Ted almost blew up back at the Bennett house, Claire was able to get close to him and hit him with the tranquilizer gun. That put Ted under, and stopped the disaster. So I was wondering why they (both Claire and Noah, since we know his name now) didn't think of doing that to stop Peter?

On a related note... I was wondering if it is possible to knock Claire unconscious. Not counting the back-of-brain vulnerability... it seems to me you couldn't knock Claire out because she would heal pretty much instantly... so maybe a second or two, then bam she is back awake again.

So... can you drug her? How long before her body took care of the drugs in her system?

This relates to my above thinking about Peter... while not explicitly explained on the show... if Claire's healing powers would prevent her from being drugged or knocked unconscious by conventional means, perhaps that is what they were also thinking about Peter... but then again, earlier in the very same episode he was going all glowy, then he passed out.

Of course this becomes interesting too... if he passes out and the Ted-power goes away... then the problem with Peter going nuclear wasn't about lack of control! Being unconscious (passing out) is pretty much out of control, just like drugging Ted... and yet both times this quelled the nuclear activity... so it would seem that Peter trying to control the power was actually the problem!

Trying to control it made it uncontrollable... whereas simply not thinking about it, or switching to another power would have cured the situation. Even Peter should have realized this based on experience just that day.

I thought it was strong emotions that made it flair, like fear or anger.

So... can you drug her? How long before her body took care of the drugs in her system?


depends on the drugs I imagine. Since they are not strictly damaging anything, the body has no reason to heal.

Just watched it last night, it was entertaining but very sloppily written.

Why didn't Peter just fly his own stupid ass into the sky? Suddenly he wasn't able to use his flying power but he was still able to use every other one?

Lame.

What fallout? It's not like Peter is a real nuclear bomb - he just emits lots of energy.


Then why did Ted constantly harm everything around him with radiation (like exposed atomic bomb material would do?)

Just watched it last night, it was entertaining but very sloppily written.

Why didn't Peter just fly his own stupid ass into the sky? Suddenly he wasn't able to use his flying power but he was still able to use every other one?

Lame.

We are going with he was losing control of all his powers at the time. Since the Radiation powers had the least control off, it was the most flashy say then his others powers he has had longer.

Then why did Ted constantly harm everything around him with radiation (like exposed atomic bomb material would do?)

Ted would be considered the fallout not the power itself alone. No Ted, no fallout since he would not be able to emit radiation particles.

At least that what I think. Who knows?

We are going with he was losing control of all his powers at the time. Since the Radiation powers had the least control off, it was the most flashy say then his others powers he has had longer.

That's what we call sloppy writing, especially considering he's supposed to use Claire's power simultaneously while exploding..

That's what we call sloppy writing, especially considering he's supposed to use Claire's power simultaneously while exploding..

we already discussed this. Ted didn't explode. He gave off energy and radiation. So there's no reason to think that Peter would either.

In the same way that Cyclops' head doesn't explode when he fires his eye beams or Claire's mom doesn't burn internally when she lights up.

And Ted can emit different kinds of radioactive energy, not just radioactive fallout. As in the episode where he emits an EM pulse. "Burn bright, not hot!"

We are going with he was losing control of all his powers at the time. Since the Radiation powers had the least control off, it was the most flashy say then his others powers he has had longer.

maybe thats one of the things minor cliffhangers we'll have answered next season...

where's Sylar?
Did Peter and Nathan somehow survive?
Why didn't peter just fly himself?
why could sylar stop bullets and not a slow running man?
Will officer parkman live?
who will adopt Molly?
What was the whole dream sequence with Simones dad all about?

...and the most important one...

Will we even still care by september?

:D

we already discussed this. Ted didn't explode. He gave off energy and radiation. So there's no reason to think that Peter would either.

In the same way that Cyclops' head doesn't explode when he fires his eye beams or Claire's mom doesn't burn internally when she lights up.

And Ted can emit different kinds of radioactive energy, not just radioactive fallout. As in the episode where he emits an EM pulse. "Burn bright, not hot!"

That doesn't have anything to do with what I was talking about.

I said that the fact that Peter miraculously lost the power to fly while retaining other powers (like regenerating himself after blowing himself to Hell) is sloppy and forgettable writing.

It's a hackneyed way to get rid of another character for season-finale-caliber dramatic impact.

I said that the fact that Peter miraculously lost the power to fly while retaining other powers (like regenerating himself after blowing himself to Hell) is sloppy and forgettable writing.

no you missed the point, Peter won't have to heal because he is unaffected by his own power. He emits energy, it doesn't damage him. Like most energy based super heroes - human torch, iceman, electro etc.

After he's discharged all his built up energy, the only damage he's likely to have is when he forgets (or is unconscious) to fly and plummets to the ground. Then he'll need to heal. By which time he won't have any other power in the way.

It's just sloppy writing man, "Look, Peter miraculously can't fly anymore! Even though he was just fighting Sylar with about 5 thousand other powers it looks like Nathan will have to fly him out of here." I get it, you love the show, I do too - that doesn't change the fact that the finale script had some huge weak spots. Nathan could've flown him up to orbit (and based on the speed he traveled in past episodes that wouldn't have taken but a fraction of a second) and dropped him to float in extremely low gravity and flown back to Earth.

The finale wouldn't have had enough dramatic impact without the death of a known character, they found a sloppy way to kill one off for easy drama.

It's just sloppy writing man, "Look, Peter miraculously can't fly anymore! Even though he was just fighting Sylar with about 5 thousand other powers it looks like Nathan will have to fly him out of here." I get it, you love the show, I do too - that doesn't change the fact that the finale script had some huge weak spots.

if you look back you'll see I was the first one who thought this was a poor finale - especially the weak ass fight. Even Tim Kring stated that he basically didn't have a reason for Peter not flying apart from wanting a cool sequence with Nathan.

But Ted's power is in keeping with most other takes on energy based superheroes in the comic book universe, so that doesn't seem particularly wrong. They don't get injured by their own powers.

I don't understand why everyone has such difficulties with Peter and his powers.

It's been made more than clear that Peter has difficulties controlling his powers and using the correct one. He's gotten better, but at the time he was doing everything he could to not explode - I suspect if he had tried to fly it would have interrupted what little concentration he had and boom.

It also, frankly, allowed Nathan and Peter to make the ultimate sacrifice and show that there are higher callings, things worth dying for. "You saved the cheerleader so we could save the world."

A lot of people wanted some huge super fight between Sylar and Peter, but at least to me it was never about that; it was about this group of people with no real heroic streaks in their lives getting together in one place in an attempt to stop Sylar. They each did what they could, just as it would be in "real life"; you wouldn't instantly be Superman, you'd be fumbling through doing something useful with your powers, scared out of your mind, not wanting to die but realizing you had to kill Sylar or he'd kill you. Think United 93, not Die Hard.

I think people want the characters to act as if they're the Justice League rather than say a bunch of ordinary people who've discovered they can do something special and want to try to do something good.

I don't understand why everyone has such difficulties with Peter and his powers.

It's been made more than clear that Peter has difficulties controlling his powers and using the correct one. He's gotten better, but at the time he was doing everything he could to not explode - I suspect if he had tried to fly it would have interrupted what little concentration he had and boom.

It also, frankly, allowed Nathan and Peter to make the ultimate sacrifice and show that there are higher callings, things worth dying for. "You saved the cheerleader so we could save the world."

A lot of people wanted some huge super fight between Sylar and Peter, but at least to me it was never about that; it was about this group of people with no real heroic streaks in their lives getting together in one place in an attempt to stop Sylar. They each did what they could, just as it would be in "real life"; you wouldn't instantly be Superman, you'd be fumbling through doing something useful with your powers, scared out of your mind, not wanting to die but realizing you had to kill Sylar or he'd kill you. Think United 93, not Die Hard.

I think people want the characters to act as if they're the Justice League rather than say a bunch of ordinary people who've discovered they can do something special and want to try to do something good.

Good points. I especially agree that Peter had erratic control over his powers and he was probably on overload at the end, feeling he couldn't stop from destroying a large chunk of NY.

Actually, I think the best part was having Nathan come in at the last moment as a real hero...not the politician....willing to sacrifice himself to save thousand of people.

Actually, I think the best part was having Nathan come in at the last moment as a real hero...not the politician....willing to sacrifice himself to save thousand of people.

Yeah, but it was done in such a lazy way. We never saw Nathan make any real decision. Originally, he didn't think there was a bomb. Then he thought he should try to stop it. Then he decided he couldn't stop it. Then he decided he could and flew in at the last second to save the day. My problem is that all these changes of heart were either not convincing or not shown. The viewer was left to rely on their own knowledge of the uncaring-older-brother-who-redeems-himself-at-the-end archetype to make any sense of why he helped out.

With writing like that, Heroes will never be anything more than fluffy entertainment. Like I said a few days ago, though, that is fine by me.

maybe thats one of the things minor cliffhangers we'll have answered next season...

where's Sylar?
Did Peter and Nathan somehow survive?
Why didn't peter just fly himself?
why could sylar stop bullets and not a slow running man?
Will officer parkman live?
who will adopt Molly?
What was the whole dream sequence with Simones dad all about?

...and the most important one...

Will we even still care by september?

:D

HAHAHA :o

All things considered... I think it is safe to say that both Nathan and Peter will be back next season. Why do I say that? Consider the old truism about these kinds of stories... They didn't show the bodies!

Everyone else who died was shown as dead... all of Sylar's victims were clearly shown without head-tops... we saw other folks shot point-blank in the head... and so forth. The only reason not to show Peter gone or Nathan sick/dead from radiation poisoning is because they want to bring them back. Will it be plausable to bring Nathan back? Maybe not, but you can be sure he will return.

The gripe I have about Peter not controlling himself... is that he already controlled himself, several times. I suppose you could make a case for him absorbing some of Nikki/Jessica's personality when he got her strength... but we never really got an explanation of what was going on there with her. I always thought Nikki was strong, and Jessica really was Jessica her twin who had jumped bodies before dying and could jump elsewhere.

But back to Peter... his problem was thinking too much about the radiation power... given his limited control and belief that he can only use one power at a time... he could have thought about a more benign power and ended the whole deal. If he couldn't think of it... then Nathan could have helped him with that perhaps.

I wouldn't have minded Nathan flying in at the last minute to help his brother... but flying him off was kind of weak. Nathan turning into the good guy he really wanted to be all along was enough, and talking his brother calmly out of the explosion would have been something more believable and explained the "need" for Nathan at the same time.

A lot of people wanted some huge super fight between Sylar and Peter, but at least to me it was never about that;

all people wanted was some consistency and payoff. In the previous battle Peter goes invisible and throws Sylar against a wall, and Sylar pins Peter to a wall, starts slicing open his skull and then sends a wave of glass after him. And they were both unprepared for that.

In this version Sylar grabs Peter by the neck, Peter punches him a few times, and then Sylar is stabbed by a slowly running man. Even though in the previous scene he can stop bullets in mid-air without actually seeing them being fired at him.

For some reason between the last fight and this one both Sylar and Peter (conveniently for the producers) forgot they actually had any powers. Even one's they were using three scenes earlier. Peter can use invisibility to run away from his brother, but just stands around in plain sight when he's trying to save the world?

The show made a big deal out of both of them acquiring amazing abilities all year, teasing everyone with glimpses of how powerful they could be in a fight ...

and then it turns into David Blaine getting knocked around by a parking meter, followed by a one round boxing match.

As copy-cat as this plot has been so far, no doubt next season will center on Parkman's unborn child. She'll be "the one" who will somehow have the answers to everything. Sure, it's been done dozens of times in other shows. That's why it's sure to happen here.

all people wanted was some consistency and payoff. In the previous battle Peter goes invisible and throws Sylar against a wall, and Sylar pins Peter to a wall, starts slicing open his skull and then sends a wave of glass after him. And they were both unprepared for that.

In this version Sylar grabs Peter by the neck, Peter punches him a few times, and then Sylar is stabbed by a slowly running man. Even though in the previous scene he can stop bullets in mid-air without actually seeing them being fired at him.

For some reason between the last fight and this one both Sylar and Peter (conveniently for the producers) forgot they actually had any powers. Even one's they were using three scenes earlier. Peter can use invisibility to run away from his brother, but just stands around in plain sight when he's trying to save the world?

The show made a big deal out of both of them acquiring amazing abilities all year, teasing everyone with glimpses of how powerful they could be in a fight ...

and then it turns into David Blaine getting knocked around by a parking meter, followed by a one round boxing match.

Except, I think Sylar planned it that way to some extent. Or at least he should have planned that out in theory, since he was intent on Peter being the bomb, and not himself. And he should have known Hiro was going to stab him, as he saw it in Isaac's comic. So I would think he would make it look like he died, and absorb the blow Hiro gives him by anticipating it, making sure it's not a fatal strike, and slink away when no one's looking.

Except, I think Sylar planned it that way to some extent. Or at least he should have planned that out in theory

"You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that." ;)

Help me out here...

Why didn't they simply slap Peter silly (or even shot him) to prevent him from blowing up, and then remove the bullet (if they went with shooting) so he can regenerate (as he did before when a piece of glass was removed from his head)?

Yeah, but it was done in such a lazy way. We never saw Nathan make any real decision. Originally, he didn't think there was a bomb. Then he thought he should try to stop it. Then he decided he couldn't stop it. Then he decided he could and flew in at the last second to save the day. My problem is that all these changes of heart were either not convincing or not shown. The viewer was left to rely on their own knowledge of the uncaring-older-brother-who-redeems-himself-at-the-end archetype to make any sense of why he helped out..I don't buy that.

Perhaps you didn't see it, but all season I've seen Nathan struggling with what he was "expected" to do by his Mother and Linderman compared to what he thought was actually right. Aside from when he went to kill Linderman, one of the few times we saw the "real" Nathan, not politician Nathan or "Mama's" Nathan.

I think Claire's words actually stung. I think Nathan's realization was a strong one, and I saw it as completely justified by what I've been seeing all season. Nathan's honestly a good man when forced to decide something for himself; we finally saw that Peter's devotion to his brother wasn't just blind but was actually based on something, something he learned about him growing up rather than the limited number of moments we saw this season.

Perhaps it's because I was watching the show as a good drama rather than picking it apart plot point by plot point, but it all just worked for me, and I honestly saw the finale as one of the finest hours of television I've seen in a long, long time. I knew from spoilers how the finale would play out, but that didn't stop me from having an incredibly strong emotional reaction when Nathan did in fact show up and fly away with Peter.

As far as Hiro and Sylar, I still say the reason Sylar didn't do anything is he just couldn't believe that Hiro was actually attacking him with the sword - more or less a "you've got to be kidding" response.

Help me out here...

Why didn't they simply slap Peter silly (or even shot him) to prevent him from blowing up, and then remove the bullet (if they went with shooting) so he can regenerate (as he did before when a piece of glass was removed from his head)?Because Peter was unable to control his powers, which was why he was blowing up. In theory, they could have shot him (which was what he wanted Claire to do, but she couldn't.)

But if the bullet had been removed at some point and he regnerated, he would have ended up in the same state, unable to control his powers and about to blow up.

As far as Hiro and Sylar, I still say the reason Sylar didn't do anything is he just couldn't believe that Hiro was actually attacking him with the sword - more or less a "you've got to be kidding" response.It was going to happen per Isaac; no real biggie. But my problem, as others have noted, was with the weak showdown. No real payoff there, but I'm still on board.

See, I don't think the showdown was weak at all. As I said, it was very haphazard, very what I'd expect from a group of ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. This wasn't some super crime fighting group, it was a group of ordinary people who had to do something to defeat Sylar. I can't stress a sort of United 93 vibe enough; people realizing they had to do something and just taking action because they couldn't stand by and do nothing. No real plan, just the need to do something.

Peter was more or less disabled from the get go, much to his surprise. Matt apparently didn't know about Sylar's telekinesis or he would have known shooting him would never work. Nikki hauled off with the parking meter to try and defend Peter. HRG should have known he couldn't do much, and Claire just plain couldn't shoot Peter.

Now if it had been an X-Men finale fight, that would have disappointed me as I would have wondered when they had all had a chance to go to Hollywood blockbuster fight school.

Now if it had been an X-Men finale fight, that would have disappointed me as I would have wondered when they had all had a chance to go to Hollywood blockbuster fight school.

LOL yeah right, if it had been a great fight you would have been disappointed!!!??? "Awww man, that was TOO awesome!!! it should have been pathetic at best!!!...I hope they don't make that mistake next season!!!" :rolleyes:

We get what you're saying about them not being an organized crime fighting unit, but Peter did go there looking to fight(stop) Sylar--yet he just stood there getting choked. Peter managed to control Ted's ability before--what changed????..."you saved the cheerleader, so WE could save the world"...WHAT??? what does that mean exactly??? You saved the cheerleader, and that enables me to fly you up to the edge of our atmosphere and we can go BOOM together???? I don't know, it all got a bit too sloppy for me to make sense of, but the show has promise and I will tune-in next season.

Oh, was it just me, or did anyone else expect Claude to show up, right before Nathan sacrifices himself, and knock Peter out with a right cross to the jaw?...then look back at the gawkers and say something like "what?...are you people bloody stupid or just suicidal????"LOL...not kidding, I was expecting that to happen because that scene was just taking too long.

LOL yeah right, if it had been a great fight you would have been disappointed!!!??? "Awww man, that was TOO awesome!!! it should have been pathetic at best!!!...I hope they don't make that mistake next season!!!" :rolleyes:
Frankly, yes, I would have. I would not have thought it was awesome, I would have rolled my eyes and thought "great - a Hollywood sellout ending. We've watched these "ordinary people" all season and suddenly we're watching Neo at the end of The Matrix - joy.

We get what you're saying about them not being an organized crime fighting unit, but Peter did go there looking to fight(stop) Sylar--yet he just stood there getting choked. Peter managed to control Ted's ability before--what changed????
I'm not sure what in Peter's repertoire was supposed to stop the choke hold Sylar had on him; Sylar certainly wasn't about to let go, and it's not like say going invisible would have made a difference.

The fact that he was near Sylar for that long is what changed; though Sylar didn't have abilities per se, from Sylar's comments it appeared that Peter absorbed the multiple powers Sylar had obtained from eating brains. All those new powers, atop Ted's twice and the adrenaline from fighting Sylar made it impossible for him to control things. Peter almost lost it earlier in the episode; it's not hard to imagine that he knew he couldn't back it off the last time.

I thought the ending with Peter and Nathan was perfect. I'm sorry it disappointed you, but it would have disappointed me had it been done differently or had it been some knock down, drag out X-Men super battle between Peter and Sylar.

Peter blew up because he knew he would. Claire made it possible for the world to be saved because it was her comments to Nathan that convinced him to do the right thing and, by removing Peter from New York, caused them to save the world. It wasn't Claire that saved the world, it was her actions, her statements that caused Nathan to.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

Oh, was it just me, or did anyone else expect Claude to show up, right before Nathan sacrifices himself, and knock Peter out with a right cross to the jaw?...then look back at the gawkers and say something like "what?...are you people bloody stupid or just suicidal????"LOL...not kidding, I was expecting that to happen because that scene was just taking too long.
Actually, that would have been pretty cool... ;)

Invisible Claude saving the day... that actually would have made a perverted sense... and it would have been funny.

See, I don't think the showdown was weak at all. As I said, it was very haphazard, very what I'd expect from a group of ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances.Since they have a potential (and brief) showdown in Five Years Gone, I'm not really upset about it. I imagine budgetary constraints had something to do with this. As long as they set aside funding for a crazy encounter at next season's finale.....

Frankly, yes, I would have. I would not have thought it was awesome, I would have rolled my eyes and thought "great - a Hollywood sellout ending. We've watched these "ordinary people" all season and suddenly we're watching Neo at the end of The Matrix - joy.

I don't think anyone wanted a matrix style, or even a hollywood sellout ending, but it wouldn't have hurt to give us something to cheer about. I liked the episode when Peter found out he could use Sylar's ability while training with Claude--nothing super spectacular about those scenes, but when HGR and Haitian showed up, Peter did "something unexpected" and I thought that was great. I didn't get that from the finale, though I suppose some people did.


I'm not sure what in Peter's repertoire was supposed to stop the choke hold Sylar had on him; Sylar certainly wasn't about to let go, and it's not like say going invisible would have made a difference.

He could've at the very least TK'd Sylar across the courtyard.

The fact that he was near Sylar for that long is what changed; though Sylar didn't have abilities per se, from Sylar's comments it appeared that Peter absorbed the multiple powers Sylar had obtained from eating brains. All those new powers, atop Ted's twice and the adrenaline from fighting Sylar made it impossible for him to control things. Peter almost lost it earlier in the episode; it's not hard to imagine that he knew he couldn't back it off the last time.

I thought the ending with Peter and Nathan was perfect. I'm sorry it disappointed you, but it would have disappointed me had it been done differently or had it been some knock down, drag out X-Men super battle between Peter and Sylar.

Peter blew up because he knew he would. Claire made it possible for the world to be saved because it was her comments to Nathan that convinced him to do the right thing and, by removing Peter from New York, caused them to save the world. It wasn't Claire that saved the world, it was her actions, her statements that caused Nathan to.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

Ok here's my problem, Peter lost control of the abilities in him before, and Claude knocked him out--the time before he fell unconscious and had that "time-walking" dream--so Peter knows now that if he loses consciousness, it stops happening--really simple--no need for Nathan to sacrifice himself, just knock him out and fly him off to the middle of a desert. They FORCED that ending, and the creator admitted it--it made no sense--and although you have done an excellent job of imagining a scenario that makes it work, it's not what actually happened.

I can do it too: Peter insisted Claire shoot to kill because he didn't want to take the chance that just knocking him out would stop the explosion. DL wanted to phase, but he didn't have time, so he stepped in front of Nikki. Candice's ability doesn't require her to be conscious to change her own appearance, just to affect others. Nikki has super strength, but her blow to Sylar didn't do much because she doesn't know how to access all of her strength, and Sylar has the ability to absorb a lot of physical force without it doing much damage. Sylar was weakened by the fight and couldn't stop Hiro from running at him with a sword.

...you see? I can do it too, but I've had a lot of experience, being a Star Wars fan and all. LOL

Its a TV show.........................................that's not over. What is this ranting about?

I always felt the Nikki/Jessica character was just "Sybil"(1970's Sally Fields TV movie for those to young to know WHAT THE HELL I am talking about) on STEROIDS. Her character is a complete waste IMHO. Off her next year. Not a cool ability.

I was underwhelmed by the season finale, but it was then end of Season 1, and there is much more to go.

Like who the heck is it Molly is AFRAID TO THINK ABOUT because SHE(I think she said it was a she, but I am probably wrong) can SEE HER if she does?

If Mr. Linderman is still alive? He seems to have the power to heal(himself at will?), and can give that power to other people.

Who knows. But it will be fun to watch. If they don't SCREW IT UP(NBC) scheduling wise.

Like who the heck is it Molly is AFRAID TO THINK ABOUT because SHE(I think she said it was a she, but I am probably wrong) can SEE HER if she does?.
'Fraid not, Molly specifically refers to that individual as "he" and "him". Don't know how you heard it as 'she', but thought it best to reign you in, before you started an unsupported train of thought on this track.

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Invisible Claude saving the day... that actually would have made a perverted sense... and it would have been funny.
Probably, but it still would not have afforded the gratification many seemed to have expected, and not entirely without reason.

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...just watched the episode again. In the time-walking dream, I wish the writers would have added a few extra lines between Charles Devoe and Mrs. Petrelli, to make sense of his condition...why? because he's obviously part of the "inner circle" to some extent, but maybe at odds with the Linderman Group.

Mrs Petrelli:"...well then, one of us is going to be right, one of us won't"

Charles:"ahhh, I'm glad I won't be alive to see which one that is"

Mrs Petrelli:"Charles, let Linderman help you...please"

Charles:"...I'd rather die"

Mrs Petrelli:"you are in my prayers Charles"

Charles:"I could use them"

...then we could speculate on what happened between Charles and Linderman, instead of wondering why Charles is dieing when Linderman could cure him...and let's not pretend he doesn't know of Linderman's ability--he obviously knows everything that's going on. This isn't a major gripe, I just thought that scene was rather odd since he knows Linderman.

Was going through my SA 8300HD DVR looking for what I could delete, as space is practically gone (if anyone has suggestions for an auxilliary drive that's 'real' user friendly, please post or PM) when I happened to check on the final Heroes ep (had the whole series in HD at one point, but real estate on that drive is getting precious).

Anyway, I noticed something that I don't recall anyone mentioning (doesn't mean they didn't, of course),which struck me as odd and potentially meaningful. Mention has been made of when Hiro kills Sylar, and the images in Sylar's eyes when he's on the ground, with stills of those he killed and possibly ate their brains, e.g. Charley. Going in slo-mo, for the first time I noticed the final image in his 'eye' was Sylar himsel,f with his head on the ground, in the exact same position he was in when the 'eye' zoom shot occurred.

Not sure what to make of it , but its just too strange not to have some kind of meaning. Had Sylar been taken over or controlled by some other being, prior or subsequent to Hiro's death stroke, like Molly's 'really, really' :rolleyes: evil guy? Is he seeing himself in the third person sense, from a prior prophetic painting vision? IOW, whyTF would he be seeing himself as an objective image lying on the ground, as opposed to his own subjective vision? :confused:

Enquiring minds want to know. ;)

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Was going through my SA 8300HD DVR looking for what I could delete, as space is practically gone (if anyone has suggestions for an auxilliary drive that's 'real' user friendly, please post or PM) when I happened to check on the final Heroes ep (had the whole series in HD at one point, but real estate on that drive is getting precious).

Anyway, I noticed something that I don't recall anyone mentioning (doesn't mean they didn't, of course),which struck me as odd and potentially meaningful. Mention has been made of when Hiro kills Sylar, and the images in Sylar's eyes when he's on the ground, with stills of those he killed and possibly ate their brains, e.g. Charley. Going in slo-mo, for the first time I noticed the final image in his 'eye' was Sylar himsel,f with his head on the ground, in the exact same position he was in when the 'eye' zoom shot occurred.

Not sure what to make of it , but its just too strange not to have some kind of meaning. Had Sylar been taken over or controlled by some other being, prior or subsequent to Hiro's death stroke, like Molly's 'really, really' :rolleyes: evil guy? Is he seeing himself in the third person sense, from a prior prophetic painting vision? IOW, whyTF would he be seeing himself as an objective image lying on the ground, as opposed to his own subjective vision? :confused:

Enquiring minds want to know. ;)

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Interesting point since there is some speculation as to whether he crawled into the sewer or was dragged by a "whatever".

An evil Sylar possessed by an even more evil entity? Hey, I'm in!

An evil Sylar possessed by an even more evil entity? Hey, I'm in!
That's my guess as well. I think the producers planned all along for Sylar to die and move on next year. But because he was so popular, they signed the ACTOR (Zach Quinto, I think) for next year. So I think we will see the same actor possessed by an even worse villain.

Tim Kring stated this earlier this year - Zachary Quinto had became popular enough that they signed him as a regular for next season.

I don't think anyone wanted a matrix style, or even a hollywood sellout ending, but it wouldn't have hurt to give us something to cheer about.
Something to cheer about? How about when Nathan flew in and he and Peter flew out?

Cheer, perhaps not, but I was in tears - it was one of the most moving things I've seen in a long time, and I had known from spoilers it was coming in advance.

Anyway, I noticed something that I don't recall anyone mentioning (doesn't mean they didn't, of course),which struck me as odd and potentially meaningful. Mention has been made of when Hiro kills Sylar, and the images in Sylar's eyes when he's on the ground, with stills of those he killed and possibly ate their brains, e.g. Charley. Going in slo-mo, for the first time I noticed the final image in his 'eye' was Sylar himsel,f with his head on the ground, in the exact same position he was in when the 'eye' zoom shot occurred.
Weren't they all images that Isaac had painted as well? Since the "clouded eye" vision power was actually Isaac's, it would make sense if the last image was the one Isaac had seen of a dead Sylar…

I would just as soon seen Sylar gone for good.

Bring on a new villan. I can't stand it when a villan just keeps coming back from the dead or near death.

For god sakes as soon as he was on his hands & knees Hiro should have taken his head off. :mad:

He's definitely going to be back, but I'm hoping we get a few new villains next year to mix things up.

Weren't they all images that Isaac had painted as well? Since the "clouded eye" vision power was actually Isaac's, it would make sense if the last image was the one Isaac had seen of a dead Sylar…
Hmmm, actually I'm not sure now that you mention it. I remember the comic book drawing of Hiro's sword stab, but I don't remember if there was a picture of a dead Sylar lying on the sidewalk that way. Does anyone know if there's a gallery of all the paintings done by Isaac, and by Peter and Sylar using Isaac's power? Don't think there is one at the official site.

But your remark, if true, opens up a whole new area of inquiry. First, there was no real reason for Sylar to process those 'clouded eye' images at the time of his 'temporary demise'. Take it a step further. We know that Sylar would figure out what made each power 'tick', and eat the Heroes' brains to 'take' their power. Are you suggesting that he also got some of their personality as part of the package? What about those he killed that had no powers, e.g. the snotty cheerleader? Because that's the only way this would make sense, i.e. if the clouded eye images were not only reflecting a part of Isaac's power, but a part of his 'personality' as well. Maybe I'm reading too much into what you're trying to say. Can you offer more on your theory?

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Maybe I'm reading too much into what you're trying to say. Can you offer more on your theory?


after hearing Kring explain Nathan, I'm thinking 90% of anything we see on the show is there just because the producers thought it looked cool.

I'm not sure what in Peter's repertoire was supposed to stop the choke hold Sylar had on him; Sylar certainly wasn't about to let go, and it's not like say going invisible would have made a difference.

Time stop and/or teleportation.

2 interviews with Tim Kring. VERY interesting. No spoilers, but he talks about the direction the show almost went, things that changed and why. Very enlightening.

Part one: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10657

Part two: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10663

Hmmm, actually I'm not sure now that you mention it. I remember the comic book drawing of Hiro's sword stab, but I don't remember if there was a picture of a dead Sylar lying on the sidewalk that way.Right. Desmon----er, Issac's comic showed Sylar being thrust through, but didn't show his death if I'm remembering correctly. And if I were Hiro, I'd have chopped him into a million pieces just to be sure. Screw honor.

Right. Desmon----er, Issac's comic showed Sylar being thrust through, but didn't show his death if I'm remembering correctly. And if I were Hiro, I'd have chopped him into a million pieces just to be sure. Screw honor.
No Rez, it really wasn't an issue with honor, but rather the weapon. Sulu had neglected to train him in the art of the ancestral veg-a-matic. ;)

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Full article: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10692

Okay guys here is an awesome Q&A with the writers of Heroes to answer some burning questions. Great article. No spoilers, they simply answer questions about past episodes.

This one is important so I am posting it here since everyone asks about Peter and why didn't he just fly away.

"OK, the next question is easily the most asked question concerning "How To Stop An Exploding Man." About 40 or 50 different people asked this, but Shaun was the first to ask. We think we know the answer to this, but we'll go straight to the experts on this to make sure. Shaun asks, "Was the fact that Nathan was needed to fly Peter away just done for dramatic effect since Peter has flight, too, or does this prove Peter only has access to one power at a time?"

It’s the later. Peter even says, “I can’t stop it. I can’t do anything.” Peter was helpless. There were two options. Kill Peter. Or Nathan could fly him away and try to save them all. Now, if Peter or Nathan survived and how – remains to be seen. "

They also explain why Molly was still an attractive person when she was knocked out (well kind of).

"OK, likely the second most frequently asked question this week was about Candice. Treads asked first, so here we go. "In 'Landslide,' it seemed you guys went out of your way to make sure we knew Candice's true form wasn't that of a beautiful, skinny brunette. Yet when Candice gets knocked out cold by Nikki, she reverts back to the cute brunette. If she was unconscious and seemingly unable to control her power, shouldn't she have reverted to her true form, which presumably would be an overweight or obese person?"

OR – she was still barely conscious – OR – her subconscious so strongly desired to be thin that she was able to maintain that form – OR – people might be over thinking this.

There's always that!

If the question really is, “Are we going to get to see what Candice really looks like?” The answer is – yes. Sooner than you think. "

Interesting on the Haitian:

"Memnarch also asks, "Where the heck has the Hatian Sensation been? Wouldn't he have been able to stop Sylar? Or was he ordered not to be there...?"

The Haitian was doing something incredibly important which will be revealed in Season Two. "

Sylar and the sewer:

Continuing with Sylar, Jeff from Philly wants to know, "Did Sylar crawl into the sewer or was he dragged? Is it safe to say we haven't see the last of him?"

Look at those marks – did they look like crawl marks or drag marks. Is there even such a thing as crawl marks? The answer is on the film.

And why the showdown at the end wasn't bigger:

Alright, we also got a large number of questions regarding the final fight sequence in "How To Stop An Exploding Man." The majority of our readers wrote in very satisfied, but there was a very vocal group who were hoping for more, we guess. Courtney Ashton wrote in with the best put question along those lines, so here we go. "The season finale was a real nail biter, but I must say I thought there would be a bit more action in the fight between Peter and the heroes vs. Sylar. What was the thinking behing not making a big, comic book-like 'flashy' showdown?"

To stay true to the show, we wanted to make sure everything rested on character, and that all the choices made, finale or not, seemed true to our characters. Claire jumping out the window. Niki stepping in to help Peter’s fight with Sylar, Hiro’s fight with and then stabbing of Sylar, and of course, the final moment with Nathan. No matter what we put forward, we suspect it may have fallen short of the high expectations – but for the people who thought we could have leaned into the action a little bit more, we hope to make it up in spades when we get back.

More on Peter and absorbing powers and what he has now:

Suburban Hobbit wants to know, "Has Peter now acquired every power of those present at Kirby Plaza? Or only those that got very close to him? What’s his range, anyway?"

With everything we’ve seen in the show so far – Peter has every ability he encountered in Kirby Plaza. That would make him one powerful guy. But, a lot of that depends if he survived the big boom or not.

A lot more in the link I posted.

Alice wants to know if the ending to season 1/beginning to season 2 is an homage or not. "In the final episode for season 1, Hiro lands between two opposing 'armies' - this reminded me alot of the opening scene for 'Army of Darkness.' Is this an homage to one of the greatest cult movies of all times or do I just have Ash on the brain?"

Ash on the brain, I’m afraid. I heard there’s a cure for all that Bruce Campbell worship. It’s called "Bubba Ho-Tep."


I rather liked Bubba Ho-Tep, wonder if he is taking a shot at Bruce?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10692

Some more fuel to the hereditary fire here: It seems like this week's comic shows that the Haitian did indeed have a parent with an ability. I won't spoil anything if you haven't read it yet, but it's worth checking out. You get to see what his father's ability is, as well as the first time he uses his own ability.

Niki stepping in to help Peter’s fight with Sylar, Hiro’s fight with and then stabbing of Sylar, and of course, the final moment with Nathan. No matter what we put forward, we suspect it may have fallen short of the high expectations – but for the people who thought we could have leaned into the action a little bit more, we hope to make it up in spades when we get back.
<snip> Did Nikki even know Peter, or Sylar? Why did she join in? Or was it really Jessica, who got turned on by the action and just wanted to play a bit?

Did Nikki even know Peter, or Sylar? Why did she join in? Or was it really Jessica, who got turned on by the action and just wanted to play a bit?

I don't recall. She might only know Peter from the news reports/Nathan connection. Not sure.

Some more fuel to the hereditary fire here: It seems like this week's comic shows that the Haitian did indeed have a parent with an ability. I won't spoil anything if you haven't read it yet, but it's worth checking out. You get to see what his father's ability is, as well as the first time he uses his own ability.

Maybe my browser is hosed. The last graphic novel I see is 'Death of Hana G. PtII'

Maybe my browser is hosed. The last graphic novel I see is 'Death of Hana G. PtII'
You can try to refresh the page, clear the cache, or manually change the addess to "...novel=35" instead of 34. I had to do this type of change to get Hana G. pt2.

I don't recall. She might only know Peter from the news reports/Nathan connection. Not sure.
She didn't know any of them, which is why it was very strange she got involved at all.

She didn't know any of them, which is why it was very strange she got involved at all.

The more I thought about it, she did know Matt and she witnessed Sylar throwing bullets back at Matt and nearly killing him. That probably helped her make the decision on who she would "attack" in the fight.

Yeah i don't think she knew any of them before that moment. Just a split decision (IMO).

The more I thought about it, she did know Matt and she witnessed Sylar throwing bullets back at Matt and nearly killing him. That probably helped her make the decision on who she would "attack" in the fight.

Yep. She knew parkman was "decent" and must have considered Sylar a threat.

Yep. She knew parkman was "decent" and must have considered Sylar a threat.
But didn't they show up outside AFTER Parkman was shot?

Didn't she know Hiro? She knew Ando (but he wasn't there this time). Was Hiroe there when she joined the fight?

Didn't she know Hiro? She knew Ando (but he wasn't there this time). Was Hiroe there when she joined the fight?
No, he only showed up at the end. And she never met Hiro and Ando wasn't there.

Full article: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10692



Suburban Hobbit wants to know, "Has Peter now acquired every power of those present at Kirby Plaza? Or only those that got very close to him? What’s his range, anyway?"

With everything we’ve seen in the show so far – Peter has every ability he encountered in Kirby Plaza. That would make him one powerful guy. But, a lot of that depends if he survived the big boom or not.

A lot more in the link I posted.


the writers are clearly pretending they know what the hell they're doing. They're making it all up as they go along. What's frustrating is they tend to break from story logic often as a result.

For one, there should be no question that Peter survives, for 2 reasons: one is his power to regenerate. The most important though is we see the Future Peter post-explosion, and he even confessed to exploding in that future timeline.

I'd be really pissed if Peter wasn't in the second season.

As for Peter only being able to use one power at a time, that doesn't make sense IMHO. If Sylar could use multiple powers at once (he seemed to be able to, during several scenes), he should be able to as well. Though it could have been that the exploding power was drawing too much power from him that he couldn't divert any attention to any other power, or something to that effect.

For anyone interested in more behind-the-scenes on Heroes, there is a short article about the visual effects, and link to a podcast interview here:

http://www.fxguide.com/article432.html

I am not at all a fan of the 'one power at once' idea.

- Tom

As for Peter only being able to use one power at a time, that doesn't make sense IMHO. If Sylar could use multiple powers at once (he seemed to be able to, during several scenes), he should be able to as well. Though it could have been that the exploding power was drawing too much power from him that he couldn't divert any attention to any other power, or something to that effect.

Unfortunately, as I have been saying for quite some time now, they either had to kill Peter or limit his powers somehow, because otherwise, he would simply make the rest of them superfluous, and they'd have to rename the show 'Hero'.

I am not at all a fan of the 'one power at once' idea.
- Tom
Unfortunately, they made him interesting enough to become a very popular character, and now it 's become the 'be careful what you wish for' scenario, so they don't want to kill him.

My suggestion: Send him off on an interplanetary mission where there are no other Heroes for him to overshadow and he can use his full compliment of powers, and split program time between him and the 'Earthers'. Of course, so much for the idea of 'ordinary folks with powers'.

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As for Peter only being able to use one power at a time, that doesn't make sense IMHO. If Sylar could use multiple powers at once (he seemed to be able to, during several scenes), he should be able to as well. Though it could have been that the exploding power was drawing too much power from him that he couldn't divert any attention to any other power, or something to that effect.

Your missing what the writers said, it isn't that he can't access more then one power, its that at that one time he couldn't. They even had him explain why he couldn't. He said he was out of control, he couldn't control anything. He couldn't control ANY of his powers, so he couldn't call any of them forth because he was going out of control. No control over powers meant not being able to call up even one, let alone two.

Anyway, I noticed something that I don't recall anyone mentioning (doesn't mean they didn't, of course),which struck me as odd and potentially meaningful. Mention has been made of when Hiro kills Sylar, and the images in Sylar's eyes when he's on the ground, with stills of those he killed and possibly ate their brains, e.g. Charley. Going in slo-mo, for the first time I noticed the final image in his 'eye' was Sylar himsel,f with his head on the ground, in the exact same position he was in when the 'eye' zoom shot occurred.


It sounds like he saw his life flash before his eyes...

It sounds like he saw his life flash before his eyes...
Actually seemed much more like he was seeing the end of his victim's lives pass before his eyes, as he was in the process of killing him.

But that still wouldn't explain why he would be witnessing his own death(?) laying on the sidewalk from a 'third-person' perspective, not unless there was a horizontal full-length mirror coincidentally located about 20' outside the shot, which would provide him with that perspective :rolleyes: , and I don't remember seeing one of those. ;)

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casting news from Zap2it:

'Sopranos' Actress Joins 'Heroes'
Dania Ramirez set as regular for next season
June 1, 2007


Dania Ramirez on 'The Sopranos'
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2679/daniaqx1.jpg




The number of "Heroes" in the world will grow by at least one next season.

Actress Dania Ramirez, who's coming off a recurring part on "The Sopranos," has joined the NBC hit's cast for next season. She'll be a regular and play a character with powers, according to The Hollywood Reporter, but the show is keeping any other details under wraps.

"Heroes" put out the call for several new characters last month -- including a surrogate mother for Niki's (Ali Larter) son and a boyfriend for Claire (Hayden Panettiere) -- but Ramirez is expected to be the only series regular among the new group. It will also up the female contingent on the series; "Heroes" ended its season with only two women, Larter and Panettiere, among its nine surviving regulars.

Ramirez recently wrapped up a recurring part on "The Sopranos," playing A.J.'s (Robert Iler) fiancee; her ending of the relationship sent him into a spiral of depression. She also co-starred in NBC's drama pilot "Fort Pit" this past development season.

Her other credits include "X-Men: The Last Stand," "Romy and Michele: In the Beginning" and a guest stint on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."

Actually seemed much more like he was seeing the end of his victim's lives pass before his eyes, as he was in the process of killing him.

But that still wouldn't explain why he would be witnessing his own death(?) laying on the sidewalk from a 'third-person' perspective, not unless there was a horizontal full-length mirror coincidentally located about 20' outside the shot, which would provide him with that perspective :rolleyes: , and I don't remember seeing one of those. ;)

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the whole building was glass so he could have seen himself through that Pallidin, :rolleyes: Seriously I am part of his life flashing before his eyes. It is like the theory, if you die in your dream you will not wake up, well he saw the end, he can paint the furture so why can't he see it. But his other powers are strong enough to help him escape from that area and survive. Trust me those manholes are heavy so he had some telekinetic power left to move it.

Do we think Parkman & DL will live?

I think Parkman will live but DL will die.


Well, I should say I *HOPE* Parkman will live and DL will die. ;)

Seriously I am part of his life flashing before his eyes. It is like the theory, if you die in your dream you will not wake up, well he saw the end, he can paint the furture so why can't he see it. But his other powers are strong enough to help him escape from that area and survive. Trust me those manholes are heavy so he had some telekinetic power left to move it.
Well, we can't be certain of the limits to the prophetic powers, but I think you're reaching a little on this one.

As to the escape, go a little further up on this thread and the interview with Kring. I think its fairly clear, that he's trying to dismiss any confusion that Sylar crawled to the manhole, but rather that he was dragged there, and by someone/something else. So there's no real evidence of any other powers at that time.

Do we think Parkman & DL will live?
I think Parkman will live but DL will die.


Well, I should say I *HOPE* Parkman will live and DL will die. ;)
As we are fond of stating on the Galactica, "So say we all".

DL is dead weight, and a goner who should either be dead or comatose (or should be) by Season 2; and I think the string theory episode, as well as others, suggest that Nikki's domicile life is going to be downplayed, and she'll become the tough bitch we're all looking forward to.

However, I am concerned that as a TV regular who probably has a decent Audience Q, Greg may get seduced to move on to some other program for more money.

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Yeah I could really care less about either character, but if I have to choose I go with booting Parkman. He's done nothing but annoy.

Yeah I could really care less about either character, but if I have to choose I go with booting Parkman. He's done nothing but annoy.
I've actually really liked his character so far this year. Other than his "I'm gonna go shoot Sylar" bit in the finale, of course... ;)

Yet another reason why the finale came up a bit weak. By now, Parkman should've had an idea of what he was up against. He tried gunning down Sylar once before (as FBI agent) to no avail. Why would things be different now?

FYI, Heroes Season 1 is now available for preorder on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Heroes-Season-1-HD-DVD/dp/B000QTD5TS******pd_rhf_p_1/002-5666022-4926420

Just ordered. ;)

Yet another reason why the finale came up a bit weak. By now, Parkman should've had an idea of what he was up against. He tried gunning down Sylar once before (as FBI agent) to no avail. Why would things be different now?

Though likeable, Parkman's a bit, um, impetuous.

Hmm...last link isn't working. Here's Season 1 on HD-DVD again:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QTD5TS/002-5666022-4926420

To be fair, they did establish that Parkman has at least one learning disability of some kind (perhaps dyslexia?)... because early on they made mention of him having failed the detective's exam several times but the FBI agent made a special arrangement for him to take a verbal exam as a thank you for his help.

So I think it is safe to say, as far as Parkman goes, that sometimes he is going to seem smarter than others... so this does allow some leeway with things like trying to shoot Sylar in the heat of the moment and not thinking it through.

To be fair, they did establish that Parkman has at least one learning disability of some kind (perhaps dyslexia?)... because early on they made mention of him having failed the detective's exam several times but the FBI agent made a special arrangement for him to take a verbal exam as a thank you for his help.

So I think it is safe to say, as far as Parkman goes, that sometimes he is going to seem smarter than others... so this does allow some leeway with things like trying to shoot Sylar in the heat of the moment and not thinking it through.

I think they said it was Dyslexia in one episode.

I think they said it was Dyslexia in one episode.
Now I'm no expert, but I don't think dyslexia would keep him from remembering that you can't shoot Sylar...

Now I'm no expert, but I don't think dyslexia would keep him from remembering that you can't shoot Sylar...
But you're wrong, because he was actually trying to kill a guy named Ralys (okay, that was in bad taste, sue me :o ).

Did you order the Season 1 DVD or HD set?

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But you're wrong, because he was actually trying to kill a guy named Ralys (okay, that was in bad taste, sue me :o ).

Did you order the Season 1 DVD or HD set?

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HD. Why bother with the SD? :D

HD. Why bother with the SD? :D
Agreed. Too bad you couldn't have gotten it on the BETTER HD disk format, though. :D ;)

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4k? Didn't know they were releasing those disks yet! :)

Now I'm no expert, but I don't think dyslexia would keep him from remembering that you can't shoot Sylar...

Of course, not, I was responding to someone else's question if he had a problem getting into the academy or something.

Now I'm no expert, but I don't think dyslexia would keep him from remembering that you can't shoot Sylar...

Agreed... but Parkman has been established not as a character who has worked to overcome his dyslexia, but rather has been held back by it.

Evidence as him failing the written detective's exam more than once and it never occurred to him to ask if there was another option.

I know a guy, in the real world, with dyslexia and you would not know it if he didn't tell you... he has worked hard to overcome and learn in spite of the difficulty... whereas Parkman strikes me as a character who has held himself back and tends to not push through it.

Only the acceptance of his new power has seemed to give him some ooomph... like putting his marriage back together and trying to find the company and such... this all is a pretty recent thing for him to be pushing forward with things, so I figure he is bound to make a few mistakes along the way.

4k? Didn't know they were releasing those disks yet! :)
That's what you get for modding in the 'dungeon' forum. ;) :p

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I've actually really liked his character so far this year. Other than his "I'm gonna go shoot Sylar" bit in the finale, of course... ;)

Yeah that was a bit silly.

I find it odd that the actor playing Nathan (Adrian Pasdar) was the one they used for Global TV's fall launch promotion. Why use a dead character, unless they plan on bringing him back. So my thought is, he flies Peter up there, since Peter can't control any of his powers, and drops him off and flies away. But then wouldn't Nathan be really messed up and such from the radiation of holding Peter so close? Wonder how this will play out.

Spoiler on wether Sylar returns or not next season (answer is definitely in here).



LOS ANGELES, Calif.(June 13, 2007) -- While "Heroes" fans have been wondering what will become of the show's resident evil-doer Sylar, Access Hollywood breaks some news on the super-powered villain's future on the show.

Zachary Quinto, who plays Sylar on the hit NBC drama, will return as a series regular next season, a rep for the actor confirmed to Access.

As Season One ended, it appeared everyone's favorite group of mutants might have finally thwarted Sylar's plans for destruction once and for all as Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka) thrust his samurai sword into Sylar's chest.

However as the show ended, a quick pan back to the scene of the attack revealed a blood trail leading from where Sylar's body lay into the sewer, suggesting our villain wasn't quite done yet.

Before he stepped into the breakthrough role as the power-sucking "Hero," Quinto appeared in guest spots on "CSI," "Touched By An Angel," Charmed" and "Six Feet Under."

According to his bio, Quinto "would next love to play a young Spock in a the new 'Star Trek' movie."

Spoiler on wether Sylar returns or not next season (answer is definitely in here).



LOS ANGELES, Calif.(June 13, 2007) -- While "Heroes" fans have been wondering what will become of the show's resident evil-doer Sylar, Access Hollywood breaks some news on the super-powered villain's future on the show.

Zachary Quinto, who plays Sylar on the hit NBC drama, will return as a series regular next season, a rep for the actor confirmed to Access.

As Season One ended, it appeared everyone's favorite group of mutants might have finally thwarted Sylar's plans for destruction once and for all as Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka) thrust his samurai sword into Sylar's chest.

However as the show ended, a quick pan back to the scene of the attack revealed a blood trail leading from where Sylar's body lay into the sewer, suggesting our villain wasn't quite done yet.

Before he stepped into the breakthrough role as the power-sucking "Hero," Quinto appeared in guest spots on "CSI," "Touched By An Angel," Charmed" and "Six Feet Under."

According to his bio, Quinto "would next love to play a young Spock in a the new 'Star Trek' movie."


Damn, I'm so bored I peeked. :) Did anyone actually doubt this? I thought that this was not just the consensus of our group here, but that it had been leaked by the press while we were still in session.

Now there may be some potential news that doesn't qualify as a spoiler. At the official Heroes site they have a list of characters. If its current and accurate, it looks like we may have lost Candace (too bad), D.L. (see, they DO listen), Ted (I was starting to like him); and that those peripheral Heroes, Claire's incendiary Mommy, and Molly, will not be regulars. Maybe

On the Really potentially bad news side is that Isaac, Michael and Simone are listed. Let's hope this was an update oversight. ;) YMMV.

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Yes, this was old news, and is in no way a "spoiler."

The trade rags and show runners said Zachary Quinto would be a regular in the second season well before the end of the season one, so there was never any doubt as to Sylar's fate.

As far as characters go, don't forget Kring also said because characters are dead doesn't mean they won't be back; we've already seen they make extensive use of flashbacks and alternate timelines.

Yes, this was old news, and is in no way a "spoiler."

The trade rags and show runners said Zachary Quinto would be a regular in the second season well before the end of the season one, so there was never any doubt as to Sylar's fate.
On the other hand, some of us don't read those magazines or watch the entertainment news shows and had not heard this. Saying the news is "out there" and therefore not a spoiler is a red herring. Sorry, but some of us don't read the gossip columns or search the credits listings on IMDB to see who shows up in the cast.

When stuff like that gets reported without at least the benfit of spoiler tags in a thread where general aspects of the show are being discussed, it eliminates the ability of people who don't want to see spoilers to participate. It's inconsiderate, at the very least.

Having said that, the fact that Sylar disappeared was enough for me to assume he'll be back.

On the other hand, some of us don't read those magazines or watch the entertainment news shows and had not heard this. Saying the news is "out there" and therefore not a spoiler is a red herring. Sorry, but some of us don't read the gossip columns or search the credits listings on IMDB to see who shows up in the cast.

When stuff like that gets reported without at least the benfit of spoiler tags in a thread where general aspects of the show are being discussed, it eliminates the ability of people who don't want to see spoilers to participate. It's inconsiderate, at the very least.

Having said that, the fact that Sylar disappeared was enough for me to assume he'll be back.
If you've read this thread at all that shouldn't have been a spoiler. It's been discussed many times here.

On the other hand, some of us don't read those magazines or watch the entertainment news shows and had not heard this. Saying the news is "out there" and therefore not a spoiler is a red herring. Sorry, but some of us don't read the gossip columns or search the credits listings on IMDB to see who shows up in the cast.This also wasn't an entertainment news only type of thing; in fact it was mentioned in the regular section of my local newspaper.

MAJOR season 2 spoilers:

http://www.fangasm.com/01television/heroes/heroes-season-two-spoiler-roundup000375.php

For all you fans of Ali. Here are some links about the film Marigold. It is supposed to come out August 12th.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0329354/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2EaEWzHMk8&mode=related&search=

For all you fans of Ali. Here are some links about the film Marigold. It is supposed to come out August 12th.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0329354/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2EaEWzHMk8&mode=related&search=

She's also in RE: Extinction which should be out this Summer

So where is the Justice in this? ( Hayden Panettiere)

http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2456

Enjoy. Funny as heck I say.

So where is the Justice in this? ( Hayden Panettiere)

http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2456

Enjoy. Funny as heck I say.
Aw hell, Live and Let Live :p

So, does this mean that Jackie was right about Claire after all? :D

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Hey im jealous I admit it :)

That's....just....wrong....

New pictures from Entertainment Weekly.

How tall is this girl? 3' 6"? Either that or HRG is a Giant!!!

How tall is this girl? 3' 6"? Either that or HRG is a Giant!!!

5 foot, 1 inch. Gotta love the Internet:

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Hayden-Panettiere-1153.html

New pictures from Entertainment Weekly.

is she 18 yet?

5 foot, 1 inch. Gotta love the Internet:

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Hayden-Panettiere-1153.html

:rolleyes: Because everything posted on the internet is necessarily accurate and reliable!

:rolleyes: Because everything posted on the internet is necessarily accurate and reliable!

Oh, absolutely. I believe everything I read on the Internet...just like everything I see on TV. :D

Unfortunately, I suspect that some people actually do. :eek:

is she 18 yet?
17 - born August 21, 1989. August 21st this year you're good to go. ;)

17 - born August 21, 1989. August 21st this year you're good to go. ;)

In Jersey, he's good to go now. ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png

In Jersey, he's good to go now. ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png
Whoa, interesting map...9 years old?? :eek:

Some of you pervs are probably planning a trip around the world right now.:D

Some of you pervs are probably planning a trip around the world right now.:D


Nah U.S. law where you live still applies. So if you take a trip to Thailand(for example) and do something less then nice, expect a visit from the police :)

So where is the Justice in this? ( Hayden Panettiere)

http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2456

Enjoy. Funny as heck I say.

Fun while it lasted.
http://www.hollyscoop.com/hayden-panettiere/hayden-doesnt-make-out-with-her-dad-on-heroes_11581.aspx
From Jack Coleman:

Let me squash immediately whatever misguided notions anyone may have gotten from a picture taken a couple of days ago of Hayden and me on the set. There were two papparazzi hanging around all day across the street taking pictures of Hayden's every move. In the scene we were shooting Claire (Hayden) kisses her father (me) on the cheek. The angle at which the photo was taken created in a very misleading image. In one picture I am in short sleeves, that was a rehearsal, in the other I'm in a jacket, that was during a take.

That's it. Please go no further with this nonsense.

Sincerely,

Jack Coleman

Fun while it lasted.
http://www.hollyscoop.com/hayden-panettiere/hayden-doesnt-make-out-with-her-dad-on-heroes_11581.aspx
From Jack Coleman:

Let me squash immediately whatever misguided notions anyone may have gotten from a picture taken a couple of days ago of Hayden and me on the set. There were two papparazzi hanging around all day across the street taking pictures of Hayden's every move. In the scene we were shooting Claire (Hayden) kisses her father (me) on the cheek. The angle at which the photo was taken created in a very misleading image. In one picture I am in short sleeves, that was a rehearsal, in the other I'm in a jacket, that was during a take.

That's it. Please go no further with this nonsense.

Sincerely,

Jack Coleman

Smart PR move, or doth he protest too much?

I say smart PR move.
Never thought he was into to her in the first place.
If he was and she is of (age) consent so what? But I do believe he telling the truth.

Hayden just flipped when she heard about this. Was creeped out about why someone would write such *&^$%%$ & then started laughing about the whole thing. She confirmed what Jack Coleman said regarding when the photos were taken.

I saw this on Entertainment Tonight or something similar.

Well they've certainly tried to put that one to rest. :rolleyes:

So, now what are they going to do about those photoss that have surfaced with Jessica slipping Micah the tongue, huh? :eek: :D

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You know... an even better answer from them would have been if they knew people were hiding in the bushes taking pictures and they intentionally staged something to mess with the paparazzi's minds.

I know being famous has to come with alot of baggage, and you can't want fame and not also deal with some of what comes with that... but sometimes the paparazzi and other media folk do get out of hand and run with stuff.

Hayden is at it again., and she is having fun. I love her in the stormtrooper helmet.

http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2497

Seesh I can't wait for season 2.

Hayden is at it again., and she is having fun. I love her in the stormtrooper helmet.

http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2497
Geez, that photo spread and comments are probably the most over-compensating bit of PR I have seen in quite awhile, and almost creates legitimacy for the original paparazzi nonsense, or why would the publicists be going to this much effort for something as trivial as Hayden hugging/kissing Jack (a fellow actor, NOT her father).

This whole thing is so ludicrous (including Jack's need to offer any explanations), that I'm shifting into the camp that thinks this was all a publicity stunt.

<Yawn emote> ;)

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Geez, that photo spread and comments are probably the most over-compensating bit of PR I have seen in quite awhile, and almost creates legitimacy for the original paparazzi nonsense, or why would the publicists be going to this much effort for something as trivial as Hayden hugging/kissing Jack (a fellow actor, NOT her father).

This whole thing is so ludicrous (including Jack's need to offer any explanations), that I'm shifting into the camp that thinks this was all a publicity stunt.



Somehow I don't think those pics of Hayden tounging, respectively, a statue and her bosom buddy, are "approved" PR shots. There's going to be some photoshopping goin' on in the blogosphere tonight..... :eek:

Yeah you would think she has a PR person would would never allow stuff out like this. But lets face it she is still young, and this is all harmless fun.

Maybe its one of those viral PR campaigns which seem to be popular of late?

It's not like Hayden licking things is anything new...
http://thesuperficial.com/2007/04/hayden_panettiere_licks_her_fr.php
http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2166

It's not like Hayden licking things is anything new...
http://thesuperficial.com/2007/04/hayden_panettiere_licks_her_fr.php
http://wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2166

I loved the caption: If you're a guy and you're looking at these pictures, the police are already on their way over. :p

Somehow I don't think those pics of Hayden tounging, respectively, a statue and her bosom buddy, are "approved" PR shots. There's going to be some photoshopping goin' on in the blogosphere tonight..... :eek:
Nah, Its just that we've been around long enough to remember when this kind of thing would be looked at askance. This is harmless stuff when the competition for this kind of PR is Lindsay's 'cars and drugs don't mix' campaign, or Paris' (m)orall technique. Now Alex Baldwin's phone call to his kid IS a PR nightmare (although that kind of laundry never should have been aired in the first place.)

Yeah you would think she has a PR person would would never allow stuff out like this. But lets face it she is still young, and this is all harmless fun. ;)

Maybe its one of those viral PR campaigns which seem to be popular of late?
Maybe. Or maybe its just being made to look like one for plausible deniability purposes. Lots of actresses had to get a little steamy in order to get past the public's perception of them as nothing more than a 'sweet young thing'.

Who came up with that phrase anyway - "sweet young thing? Should that still be permissible in the PC quagmire that has warped our country? :rolleyes:

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Nah U.S. law where you live still applies. So if you take a trip to Thailand(for example) and do something less then nice, expect a visit from the police :)You'd probably be let go. After they (bamboo) caned you, or something.

I saw a commercial for Season 2 with a countdown timer. I SOOOO can't wait for this show to start again, its driving me crazy!

I saw a commercial for Season 2 with a countdown timer. I SOOOO can't wait for this show to start again, its driving me crazy!
Then glom onto the dvd set that's due out soon, which is said to have lots of extras, as well as the original pilot. That should tide you over for a while. :)

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This came out in Fredfa's thread today....


"Heroes": Latest DVD Announcement
(From Rich Heldenfels’ Akron Beacon Journal blog)

The official word:

Ordinary people with extraordinary abilities link a group of complete strangers that may determine the future of the world when Heroes: Season 1 comes to DVD and HD DVD August 28, 2007 from Universal Studios Home Entertainment. The most acclaimed and addictive new series of the 2006-2007 television season, Heroes: Season 1, which was created by Tim Kring (“Providence,” “Crossing Jordan”), features an extraordinary ensemble cast that includes Sendhil Ramamurthy (Blind Guy Driving), Milo Ventimiglia (“Gilmore Girls”), Adrian Pasdar (“Judging Amy”), Hayden Panettiere (Bring It On: All Or Nothing), Ali Larter (Final Destination), Noah Gray-Cabey, (“My Wife & Kids”), Leonard Roberts (“Smallville”), Santiago Cabrera (“Empire”), Tawny Cypress (NBC’s “Third Watch”), Greg Grunberg (“Alias”), Masi Oka, (NBC's “Scrubs”), Jack Colman (“Dynasty”), James Kyson Lee (NBC’s “Las Vegas”), Zachary Quinto (“24”), Ashley Crow (NBC’s “American Dreams”), Cristine Rose (NBC’s “Friends”), Jimmy Jean-Louis (Monster-in-Law), Eric Roberts (“Less than Perfect”) and Malcolm McDowall (“Entourage”). Electrifying intrigue, compelling mythology and soaring imagination make the NBC epic drama the must see event of the year. Praised for its “propulsive, surprisingly and emotionally charged storytelling” by Entertainment Weekly, Heroes nabbed the People’s Choice Award for Favorite New Drama Series and a Golden Globe® nomination for Best Drama Series of 2007, even before completing its first season. Heroes is television’s number-one new show of the 2006-2007 season.

"Heroes is one of those rare television series with such broad popular and critical appeal that it has become an instant cultural phenomenon," said Craig Kornblau, President of Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Universal Studios Digital Platforms. "With the extraordinary array of compelling bonus content offered on both the DVD and HD DVD respectively, this title, which has already generated tremendous anticipation among consumers, is well poised to be one of the greatest, must-have DVDs of the year.”

The seven-disc DVD set is packed with revealing bonus features, including five featurettes, over 50 deleted scenes plus the 73-minute Tim Kring cut of the original series premiere that has never aired on television and much more. The seven-disc DVD version is priced at $59.98 S.R.P. Preorder close is July 24, 2007.

SUPERHUMAN EXTRAS

Heroes: Season 1 reveals some of the show’s hidden secrets with interviews, mini documentaries and extensive profiles, including:

• Unaired Pilot: The Tim Kring Cut with Audio Commentary – A full 73 uninterrupted minutes of the original, unaired, extended pilot episode, as Heroes’ creator Tim Kring first envisioned it, with a character never seen.

• The Making of Heroes – From concept to pop culture phenomenon, a behind-the-scenes look at the hottest new series on television

• Special Effects – The secrets behind the eye-popping visuals that give the Heroes their amazing powers.

• The Stunts – A back stage look at the show’s hair-raising stunts.

• Mind Reader – Matt Parkman’s mind reading abilities reveal your inner Hero with a series of simple tests.

• Profile of Artist Tim Sale - A look at the Eisner Award-winning comic book artist (Spiderman, Batman, Daredevil) behind much of the Manga-influenced artwork used in the show.

• The Score - Go behind the scenes with Wendy Melvin and Lisa Coleman (of Prince’s The Revolution) as they create their ASCAP Award-winning musical score.

• 50 Deleted and Extended Scenes

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/heldenf...ment/#more-1200

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SWEET!....jam packed with extras...need to scrap some extra money together for this.

SWEET!....jam packed with extras...need to scrap some extra money together for this.
If you don't have the cash and can wait. the holiday season is the best time to pick up all these TV shows on DVD. I have to have them brand new so Blockbuster is out, if you miss the sale the first week which will be at best $45, the price stays high until the holiday season then you might have to go through some circular shuffling (well worth it)and then you can get them for $20 for a $50 set and $25 for a $60 set. As low as $15 for $50 set. Just trying to save you guys some dough. Something to think about.

But that is cool, a 7 disc set with a second pilot episode. I saw every episode so I am in no rush, but I could always catch up on NBC.com.

Holy cow!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

TV Notebook
Quinto is Spock
From Rob Owen's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette 'Tuned In Journal' Blog - July 23, 2007

E! Online is reporting what has been rumored since a Post-Gazette interview last year with Pittsburgh native Zachary Quinto (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06337/742543-237.stm): He's been cast as Spock in the new "Star Trek" movie. (He also discussed the possibility in a May podcast: http://www.post-gazette.com/podcast/audio/hearandnow_tunedin_20070528)

Quinto plays the villain Sylar on NBC's "Heroes," and last week NBC Universal Television Studios president Katherine Pope told me that if Quinto got the "Star Trek" job, the studio would find a way to work out schedules so he can do both. It would be a benefit to both "Heroes" and "Star Trek," so that makes sense. Quinto's been listed as the rumored actor for the Spock part on his IMDB page for some time.

Quinto's casting also makes sense in a "six degrees of separation" way. Quinto stars in "Heroes" with Greg Grunberg, who starred on "Alias," which was created by J.J. Abrams, who is producing and directing the new "Star Trek" film.

This afternoon I left a message for Quinto, but haven't heard back. I'll be on the set of "Heroes" tomorrow and he's expected to be there. E! is reporting that Quinto's contract is "with the business affairs team at Paramount, which is generally considered the last stop on the deal-negotiation train. The deal only awaits sign-off from outside counsel."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07204/803854-352.stm

He at least has the look down-pat....

WARNING: potential spoilers for the second season of "Heroes" are included in this visit to the set of the show. I'd put spoiler tags on the story but I don't want to read it because I don't want to know what happens either. So let's compromise, OK? ;) If you don't want to know anything about the second season of the show skip this story.
Summer Press Tour Notes
'Heroes' set visit; PIT tunes in to 'Point'
From Rob Owen's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette 'Tuned In' Blog - July 25, 2007

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. -- Yesterday was an exhausting but rewarding run around Los Angeles for TCA's day of set visits to "The Closer," "Two and a Half Men," "Cold Case," "Brothers & Sisters" and the new "TMZ" TV show (airing in syndication this fall in Pittsburgh on WPMY, Channel 22).

At some point I hope to write about many of these programs, but first let's talk "Heroes," returning for its second season on Sept. 24. I was on the set yesterday morning, but I couldn't get Pittsburgh native Zach Quinto to discuss his casting as Spock in the new "Star Trek" movie (with his connection to director J.J. Abrams through "Heroes" co-star Greg Grunberg -- Abrams and Grunberg are friends who worked together on "Alias" -- it seems like the stars have aligned; maybe Paramount will officially announce Quinto's casting in San Diego this weekend at Comic-Con), I did get some hints about the second season of "Heroes." Clues, more than outright spoilers, follow.

On Stage 12 at Sunset Gower Studios, "Heroes" creator Tim Kring explains that while season one comprised one chapter in the "Heroes" story, season two will be broken into at least two chapters, giving new viewers more entry points to the series.

Series star Masi Oka, AKA Hiro, gives a group of TV critics a tour of the "Heroes" set and I was quite surprised by our first stop: The apartment set of deceased artist Isaac Mendez. I sort of figured that set wouldn't be used anymore, but is. And its current occupant, whose identity remains secret, has set up a lab of some sort in the apartment.

Milo Ventimiglia, who plays Peter Petrelli, is being interviewed by some reporters in the corner and he's no longer scruffy. He's gotten a haircut and all GQed up. And now his brother, Nathan (Adrian Pasdar), is sporting a crazy-man beard. Hmmm...

It appears genetics professor Dr. Mohinder Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) has a new roommate, and judging by all the dolls and the dollhouse in his apartment, it's a little girl. Molly Walker (Adair Tishler), perhaps?

An outdoor street set indicates some portion of the new season will be set in Ireland, and there's an interior set for an Irish pub.

"This is where Hiro goes back in time and saves 'The Black Donnellys,'" Oka quips.

Krings says other locations will include Japan, Egypt, the Ukraine, Haiti, Mexico and Central America, where a new character, Maya (Dania Ramirez), and her twin brother come from.

"She's on the run from the cops," Ramirez says. "Her ability is dealing more with the darker side, which has caused the cops to be after her. She's trying to get to the U.S. and its making her journey to try to cross borders harder."

Her dialogue will be largely in Spanish and subtitled in English until she begins to integrate with other "Heroes" regulars deeper into the season. No word on whether her twin brother has powers.

The Bennets are now living in hiding in a luxurious house in California that's been built on Stage 4 (complete with "Brady Bunch"-like Astroturf grass in the backyard!). At this stop on the tour we also get a demonstration of some of the prosthetic effects, including Claire's crushed face, which contorts wildly, and Peter's head, with a huge shard of glass sticking out the back. Eww and cool!

Noticeably absent from the set and "Heroes" press conference is first-season series regular Leonard Roberts as D.L. Hawkins. He's also not listed in press materials.

"I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that," Kring says.

I snooped around near the cast trailers and I did find one labeled "D.L.," so maybe he will return. Or maybe his trailer just hasn't been assigned to someone new.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07206/804196-352.stm

Thanks for the 'spoiler' tags, they are definitely necessary. I read the article since I am not too concerned about spoilers, but I will echo your warning for sure to those who are sensitive about finding anything out about the fall shows.

wow.... one of the spoilers at the bottom could probably point to the fact of letting the viewers vote if a hero should come back

wow.... one of the spoilers at the bottom could probably point to the fact of letting the viewers vote if a hero should come back
Since they're already filming the season, wouldn't the vote have to have taken place already?

Since they're already filming the season, wouldn't the vote have to have taken place already?


i think its those character episodes they were talking about

Okay, you want a ton of spoilers from another story from another TV reporter in L.A. that just visited the "Heroes" set this week? Then click here (or don't) if you dare: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/archives/118705.asp.

i think its those character episodes they were talking about
But those are for introducing new characters. The character in the spoiler you mentioned is not a new one.

true but was those episodes for new characters or returning....

wow.... one of the spoilers at the bottom could probably point to the fact of letting the viewers vote if a hero should come back

I know I read someplace after the 1st season ended, Kring saying that the Origins series would spotlight new, as opposed to existing characters, and that at some point, viewers could vote for which one of them I guess would join the regular team for the following season. However, its been a while and I'm not sure if I got it exactly right.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Okay, you want a ton of spoilers from another story from another TV reporter in L.A. that just visited the "Heroes" set this week? Then click here (or don't) if you dare: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/archives/118705.asp.

Hey, cool. The VFX presentation made paragraph two! Glad to see somebody picked up on the term Crispy Claire.

Heroes goes HD in the UK on BBC.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49291819,00.htm

According to info dropped @ Comic-Con over the weekend, filmmaker and comic book afficianado/merchant Kevin Smith has been tapped to write & direct an installment of HEROES:ORIGINS to air in April/May '08.

Looks like there's a repeat on tonight. I really thought they were through showing season one, seeing as how the season set(s) comes out soon, if not already released. Anyways, I think I didn't record it the first go round, so I'll definitely grab it tonight.

Just saw a promo spot for the S1 DVD - 7 discs, including "73 minute never before seen premiere episode"

My understanding is that the never before scene episode is basically the pilot plus a few minor changes and some elements folded in from the second and/or third episodes. The exploding/nuclear man plotline is folded in, whenever that happened.

I'm not sure if the episode choice is intentional or not, but there's an exchange (on the train) between Mohinder and Peter in this episode that lends itself to where (I think) the series is going with Origins:


Peter: Suspend the skepticism, at least until you meet him. (Isaac)
Mohinder: The default scientific position is skepticism.
Peter: Your father managed to get around it. I don't know, he took a pretty big leap. You 'gotta respect that.
Mohider: I did more than respect it. I believed him. I had to - I was his son.
Peter: Can't be the only reason why you believe him...
Mohinder: Well, look what's happening to our planet. Overpopulation, global warming, drought, famine, terrorism. Deep down, we all sense something's not right. My father always talked about how an entire species will go extinct while others, no more unique or complex will change and adapt in extraordinary ways. He...had a romantic take on evolution.
Peter: And you don't? You're both geneticists.
Mohinder: That is also evolutuion. We're all just variations of the last model.
Peter: [laughs] Yeah, we're just cheap knock offs of our fathers.

Heroes goes HD in the UK on BBC.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49291819,00.htm

Yep - BBC HD is simulcasting both the BBC Two and BBC Three showings on Wednesday nights - and it looks absolutely cracking (let's hope that if BBC HD continues past the trial stage it continues to broadcast at 19Mbs H264...)

To keep the networks on-time (a BBC hour slot is 58-59 mins of programming rather than the 40-something of a US hour slot) - and ease the HD simulcasting - there is a short companion show "Heroes Unmasked" (kind of like a making-of DVD Extra) shown after the BBC Two/BBC HD simulcast, before the BBC Three/BBC HD simulcast. This is also in HD, at least in part. Wouldn't surprise me if this was sourced from extras material shot for the DVD/HD-DVD release?

Looks like there's a repeat on tonight. I really thought they were through showing season one, seeing as how the season set(s) comes out soon, if not already released. Anyways, I think I didn't record it the first go round, so I'll definitely grab it tonight.

Of course they started with episode four, so anyone who didn't watch the first time around must have been really confused tonight.

Of course they started with episode four, so anyone who didn't watch the first time around must have been really confused tonight.


Nope they are letting the actors comment on their favorite episodes as they lead up to the new start of Heroes.

Heroes cast host favorite episode (http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/08/13/heroes_cast_hosts_favorite_episodes_aamp)

To keep the networks on-time (a BBC hour slot is 58-59 mins of programming rather than the 40-something of a US hour slot) - and ease the HD simulcasting - there is a short companion show "Heroes Unmasked" (kind of like a making-of DVD Extra) shown after the BBC Two/BBC HD simulcast, before the BBC Three/BBC HD simulcast. This is also in HD, at least in part. Wouldn't surprise me if this was sourced from extras material shot for the DVD/HD-DVD release?

It was shot specifically for the BBC, by a BBC crew that followed the cast and crew of the show for a few weeks. That's not to say the material won't be on the DVD, but if it is, then NBC repurposed it from BBC.

Wow waited all day for this thread to light up.

Hayden Panettiere (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0659363/) is 18!

Thought you guys would go nuts. Oh well.

Wow waited all day for this thread to light up.

Hayden Panettiere (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0659363/) is 18!

Thought you guys would go nuts. Oh well.

Yeah; yesterday they were pervs, today they're just horny dudes. Amazing what a difference 24 hours makes. :D

Yeah; yesterday they were pervs, today they're just horny dudes. Amazing what a difference 24 hours makes. :D

32 states have their age of consent for sex set at 16. So in those states, they've been just horny dudes for several years now. :D

But Hayden lives in California and in that State the age of consent is 18. She is now legal everywhere, even at home!!!!

Hayden has some competition this season...She is no longer my favorite female on the show...

The addition of Kristin Bell is definitely a bonus. :D

Wow waited all day for this thread to light up.

Hayden Panettiere (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0659363/) is 18!

Thought you guys would go nuts. Oh well.

She announced this on Letterman last night.

You shoulda seen what she was wearing in HD.

She announced this on Letterman last night.

You shoulda seen what she was wearing in HD.

Well, post a screen shot then. :)

Well, post a screen shot then. :)

Not a screen shot, but this is what she wore on the show:
http://usemycomputer.com/archive/2007-8-22.html#P49340

Even better, check out Kristen Bell, whoa!! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/KristenBellRollingStonePhotoshoot20.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/KristenBellRollingStonePhotoshoo-1.jpg

Not a screen shot, but this is what she wore on the show:
http://usemycomputer.com/archive/2007-8-22.html#P49340

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/HaydenPanettiereLeavesTheLateShowWi.jpg

What I think we can take from this last page of postings: Hayden may be cute, and now she's legal, but she ain't no Kristen Bell. My oh my; no wonder that girl is in such high demand.

It's hard to understand why the audience for 'Veronica Mars', a really clever little show with so much Kristen, was so minuscule.

What I think we can take from this last page of postings: Hayden may be cute, and now she's legal, but she ain't no Kristen Bell. My oh my; no wonder that girl is in such high demand.

It's hard to understand why the audience for 'Veronica Mars', a really clever little show with so much Kristen, was so minuscule.

Bell is a classic beauty who will probably look fantastic 40 years from now, not sure that can be said about Hayden.

Bell is a classic beauty who will probably look fantastic 40 years from now, not sure that can be said about Hayden.

40 years from now I won't care what either of them look like.... :D

40 years from now I won't care what either of them look like.... :D

Yeah, well, me neither, but since I've said nice things about her maybe she'll visit my gravestone on occasion. :p

Well between Hayden P, Ali Larter, shape-shifter girl (name escapes me) and now Kristen Bell....the hottie factor on HEROES has gone thru the roof.

S2 promo
http://www.movieweb.com/video/V07HP0Zcu7VFIA

Well between Hayden P, Ali Larter, shape-shifter girl (name escapes me) and now Kristen Bell....the hottie factor on HEROES has gone thru the roof.

Actually, Missy Peregrym's character of Candice can better be described as "illusion casting girl" since she doesn't actually change shapes, but I see your point. ;)

Actually, Missy Peregrym's character of Candice can better be described as "illusion casting girl" since she doesn't actually change shapes, but I see your point. ;)

Apparently Candice won't be around in season 2, but Missy Peregrym will be a regular on the CW's "Reaper" which ironically is getting the old "Veronica Mars" timeslot on Tuesdays.

I watched "Remember The Titans" last night. Hayden plays the 9 or 10 year old, football breathing daughter of one of the coaches. Very cute role.

I watched "Remember The Titans" last night. Hayden plays the 9 or 10 year old, football breathing daughter of one of the coaches. Very cute role.

Yup...its scary when you go, "hey look, thats the hot chick on Heroes that I want to bang out" and only 6-8 years ago she was this little girl...disgustingly scary

:D:D:D

Who is buying the DVD on Tuesday?

Yup...its scary when you go, "hey look, thats the hot chick on Heroes that I want to bang out" and only 6-8 years ago she was this little girl...disgustingly scary

:D:D:D

Who is buying the DVD on Tuesday?

Not me. Got the HD DVD on pre-order now.

Bought the DVD set and watched disc 1 so far...I can't believe how much I forgot about the beginning of the season...and the un-aired Pilot episode is worth the watch...its pretty much the same thing as Genesis except:

You can see Kring originally wanted to lace the show with a terrorist-aided by special powers plot-line but I'm glad someone decided against that. I think that would have taken away from how great and different this show is. It would have made it just like every other show out there involving terrorists (except this one has special powers)...pretty cliche plot-line at this point. It gives me hope that someone at NBC knew what they were doing when they changed that concept around. I didn't listen to the commentary, but I wonder if Kring talks about how he came to change the overall series arc around so dramatically...maybe I'll go back and listen.

DVD PQ is excellent...I wish I had an HD-DVD player as its hard going from watching it in HD when it aired to DVD but I'll manage...it still looks very good. Well worth the $38 I paid for it...

The addition of Kristin Bell is definitely a bonus. :D
I know I am being lazy, but who is Kristen Bell?

I know I am being lazy, but who is Kristen Bell?
never mind I scrolled down and read the rest. Where is she from? I see Veronica Mars, anything else?

Check post #4719, above.

S2 promo on NBC is a spoiler x 100. I think we all knew who would survive but why place them on the promo. I know there have been problems with previews in the past but I thought this one was the worst. I personally don't mind but I know there are people fumming about it.

S2 promo on NBC is a spoiler x 100. I think we all knew who would survive but why place them on the promo. I know there have been problems with previews in the past but I thought this one was the worst. I personally don't mind but I know there are people fumming about it.

I'm pretty sure we all know who survives just due to the cast of the second season. Don't check IMDB if you don't already know I guess...

One of my co workers who was working the movie detail last week just had to text me and tell me of a certain scene they had just finished which involves one of the characters! Luckily I stopped him before he told me more.:mad:

S2 promo on NBC is a spoiler x 100. I think we all knew who would survive but why place them on the promo. I know there have been problems with previews in the past but I thought this one was the worst. I personally don't mind but I know there are people fumming about it.

Thanks...I'll be avoid it at all costs...

I'm pretty sure we all know who survives just due to the cast of the second season. Don't check IMDB if you don't already know I guess...
Some people avoid sites like that because of that reason, it reveals the complete cast. no surprises for anyone! But It was unfair what NBC does when we have 2 people shot, 2 blown up and 1 stabbed in the season finale. Some want to be shocked with the reveal of how did x cast member survived.
Also don't watch the NBC fall preview because that doesn't help either.

The addition of Kristin Bell is definitely a bonus. :D
Is she going to be a regular on the show or only on a few espisodes.

Some of the cast members were on the Today show this week hyping the new season and the DVD release. So you can't watch morning shows either.

Is she going to be a regular on the show or only on a few espisodes.

She is signed on for 13 episodes.

That is why I always argue with people, How can you tell what is and isn't a spoiler? Information at our finger tips, the media age. How does one avoid the info they do not want to learn? The post above can be considered a spoiler because now you technically know when she might die. It is just endless information that is accessible to us that spoils any surprise that we use to look forward to every season on every show and every network. F@#$ it!!!! All I know it is 25 days to the premiere and I can't wait!!!!!!! Who is with me?

All I know it is 25 days to the premiere and I can't wait!!!!!!! Who is with me?

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All I know it is 25 days to the premiere and I can't wait!!!!!!! Who is with me?
I'm with you. Can't wait.
My biggest gripe lately is that there is just too much time when a series I like is off the air. It helps if they have a recap show a week or an hour before the series resumes.

Haven't bought any version of the newly released DVD sets, but I have been watching some of the actor's favorite episodes (reruns) over the last few weeks.

Seems to me the DVD for season 1 is over priced about 25%. I was all set to buy.:(

A $100 for the HD DVD set & $50 for standerd DVD!

Seems to me the DVD for season 1 is over priced about 25%. I was all set to buy.:(

A $100 for the HD DVD set & $50 for standerd DVD!

I don't know where you shop but Amazon has the HD for $70 and the SD for $40. DeepDiscount is slightly lower......

Here are a few new Hayden pics. She sure looks a lot better in person then on the show. She is growing up to be a beautiful young lady.