or is it??? .... probably is but another nice eps. I am starting to like this show more and more... I wonder whats the little kid power

this show rocks, it just gets better every week.

well was that a quick end to my favorite superheroine...?
she isn't dead, she can't be. The police will come and revive her.

or is it??? .... probably is but another nice eps. I am starting to like this show more and more... I wonder whats the little kid power
2 parents with powers, that would be a bunch of crap if he doesn't have any. Knowing how smart he is I wouldn't be surprisded if he already knows how to use them already or even mastered them. Only time will tell.

she isn't dead, she can't be. The police will come and revive her.

Hopefully your right. The show wouldn't be as interesting witout her.
Save the stripper, Save the world

Was the picture quality utter crap for anyone else tonight?
Looked like they cut the bandwidth in half or just did a crappy upconvert of the SD version. Lots of blocking and blurry motion scenes. Worse I've ever seen :mad:

I hate to have to ask this question, but . . . my DVR stopped early, so I may have missed something. Eden had just came in and started talking to Isaac. Did anything important happen after that?

This show has already been renewed for NEXT SEASON!

Was the picture quality utter crap for anyone else tonight?
Looked like they cut the bandwidth in half or just did a crappy upconvert of the SD version. Lots of blocking and blurry motion scenes. Worse I've ever seen :mad:
Picture quality looked fine in NYC TWC, It looked so good that it gave me a chance to adjust my settings to see if I could get better, but I stuck with my vivd settings with some adjustments like I have most of the season.

I hate to have to ask this question, but . . . my DVR stopped early, so I may have missed something. Eden had just came in and started talking to Isaac. Did anything important happen after that?
not really, only Niki almost getting killed by DL when he found out she had the money all this time, the father not finding Claire's real parents, & Hiro's doubt of his powers. Were these parts after that scene?

This show has already been renewed for NEXT SEASON!
Is that confirmed? The only thing that was confirm was that NBC has ordered a full season. 22 or 24 episodes. But the ratings are good enough that this show is no where near the bubble come May sweeps when the usual announcments are made and bubbles are burst for lower rated shows.

the show starts in 1 min so I will respond later.
No, it doesn't. It started in ****ing 5 minutes. So I missed the end on my recording. I think. What is NBC's problem? They can't do anything right. They are the worst network for anything. Somebody buy this show and "Earl" and take them to another network for safety.

Thanks nuttyinnyc, I did see those parts, I'm sure that the scene with Eden and Isaac was the last scene, and I know that she was sent be Clair's dad to get him, I just didn't know if it ended there or if she did something to him.

I hate to have to ask this question, but . . . my DVR stopped early, so I may have missed something. Eden had just came in and started talking to Isaac. Did anything important happen after that?

My DVR cut out right there too...right around 60 minutes...Eden had just told Isaac her name and it stopped recording and I wasn't fast enough to goto the live feed...by the time I got to it, it was already on the preview...does anyone know when we can watch it on NBC.com? Is it tommorow morning sometime?

not really, only Niki almost getting killed by DL when he found out she had the money all this time, the father not finding Claire's real parents, & Hiro's doubt of his powers. Were these parts after that scene?
That all happened before. Any other moments we missed on DVR?

That all happened before. Any other moments we missed on DVR?
just the end voice over and next week on Heroes. So the only important thing you missed is that the show is going full speed ahead and no repeats going into a sweeps month. which means we might get 3 more new ones before the first repeat after thanksgiving. yeah!!!!! Hip hip hooray!!!

Thanks. Adjusting my SP right now. Stupid, stupid network. And the local affiliate is no better. We have all sorts of local issues, too.

I was a little shocked to see it go on past 10 pm, but then again it was a few seconds after 9 pm before deal switch to heroes. with comercials in between.

You can't set the DVR to end a few min later? Or start a few min before? I don't have a DVR, still in the learning stage

I was a little shocked to see it go on past 10 pm, but then again it was a few seconds after 9 pm before deal switch to heroes. with comercials in between.

You can't set the DVR to end a few min later? Or start a few min before? I don't have a DVR, still in the learning stage

well we can now...but we still need to know what happened after she came to the door...I guess it wasn't much ;)

Well, normally for me it wouldn't be a problem, Studio 60 starts right after Heroes but that crappy Friday Night Lights was on tonight. Sounds like there wasn't too much to miss.

I thought tonight had a bit more filler, and exposing things we already knew/suspected, which I guess is OK. What I'm really waiting to see is what pulls all these disparate people together. Is there some sort of Siren call?

I don't get why they clearly edited the show for Niki's husband's power to be a dramatic surprise - yet they blew it by showng him come through the wall on the previews.

well we can now...but we still need to know what happened after she came to the door...I guess it wasn't much ;)
she just introduced herself, nothing big. She is just a good little soldier keeping her mraks in line.

Well, normally for me it wouldn't be a problem, Studio 60 starts right after Heroes but that crappy Friday Night Lights was on tonight. Sounds like there wasn't too much to miss.

I thought tonight had a bit more filler, and exposing things we already knew/suspected, which I guess is OK. What I'm really waiting to see is what pulls all these disparate people together. Is there some sort of Siren call?
I said the same thing, there was to much filler, still a good episode. It reavealed a few things but we have already known them or figured it out already. They are saving the big battles till sweeps which is upon us now. In my view the series gets much better for the last three episodes then the holiday season break. BOOOOOO!!!

Father not as evil as originally thought. I think someone mentioned this a while back that he is the professor on the Xmen, just trying to help people with their powers but is looking for the more powerful ones for use as a team of his own. Hence the plant that was there trying to convince surresh to complete his daddies work, He is looking to catch Sylar also. Because Sylar is a menace that need to be stopped and with that brain thing he might be able to control people totally so they would join him, not the little parlor trick he did ont the lady cop. Just a few ideas for what will happen during the sweeps. Just pure speculation done with my psychic feelings and enourous eating appetite with no weight gain,
X-files theme of "trust no one" will be a factor. in the remainder of the episodes this year.

Amen. Actually, I've never been able to figure out why people who don't want to know anything about an upcoming show bother coming to a forum where the show is being discussed.

There's been an ongoing "debate" in the Lost thread where some people don't even want anyone to discuss what has been shown in a preview.

To me a spoiler has always been positive information gained in advance of a showing, like "Luke, I am your grandmother's son!" leaked before the actual showing of The Umpire Strikes Out.

Speculation, like this may be so and so isn't necessarily a spoiler.

As for links to other sites containing secret information, I am all for personal responsibility. I'm with Iteki..if you don't want to know, don't click.

It shouldn't be that difficult to understand why people would want to discuss a show without having upcoming plot points spoiled...

Claire's [biological] Father seems to be Sylar, at least that's the implication I'm getting (and her adoptive Father is trying to dissuade her from seeking the truth by introducing false parents.) Maybe Claire's adoptive father is trying to "save" these genetic abnormalities (or manipulating them for some other reason) rather than damn them as has been assumed thus far.... so they're not discovered by Sylar and consumed. He spared the quarterback, after all. Who knows, just a guess.

Overall, this episode was a little on the slow side as far as action goes, but not bad. It will pick up soon (there's always an eye of the storm after a show's intro.... just to pad it while keeping it interesting.)


Was the picture quality utter crap for anyone else tonight?
Looked like they cut the bandwidth in half or just did a crappy upconvert of the SD version. Lots of blocking and blurry motion scenes. Worse I've ever seen :mad:

Welcome to NBC HD. Take it up with NBC (actually, don't bother.)

Night night people I expect the west coast will have it at page 38 by the time my morning meeting starts

I don't get why they clearly edited the show for Niki's husband's power to be a dramatic surprise - yet they blew it by showng him come through the wall on the previews.

This gets to the issue raised by petergaryr which I quoted in the previous post. With TV shows and movies you have people who have creative influence over the content, and you have the marketing departments. With rare exceptions, the people with the creative influence have almost no say in how the marketing people advertise it, and the marketing people don't give a crap about what the people with creative influence think. Their job is simple. Get people to watch the show. They are not just trying to get the people who will like the show to watch it, they are not trying to enhance the experience for people who will watch it, they are trying to get as many people to watch as possible. That is their only concern, and they have no qualms about spoiling big surprises to get people to watch.

I know nothing can be done about having people discuss the content of previews, and even though I avoid watching them I still read message boards to hear others thoughts about what has actually aired and share my own feelings. That's the risk I take, being one of those who wants to avoid spoilers. But the content of the previews IS NOT something that is "meant" to be revealed. It's a perfect example: when the show was written and shot, it was meant to be a surprise. The marketing people get a hold that shot and their only thought is, "that might get people to watch, let's use it!". And that's how it ended up in the preview. I'm sure the folks with creative influence on the show were not happy about it, but they probably didn't have any say in it.

The over-spoiled previews do indeed suck the surprise out of the show. Luckily I've learned to turn it off so I can enjoy the next show.

Kind of a slowed down mellow episode this week. I guess I'll trade a DL scene for a Nathan scene but I kind of missed Matt and his headaches. Hopefully they'll develop him further next week.

How cool was that they threw in the Tales From Space comic from Back to the Future in there?

Same Tivo problem on the west coast. I had not padded the end time, but will now. The Tivo stopped just as the girl was introducing herself to Mendez, saying she was a big fan of his. My season pass for Studio 60 would have provided the missing ending, but probably would have failed to get the S60 conclusion. Ah well, I wasn't recording the football series. I'm not alone in that apparently.

Video seemed OK from Sacramento OTA, but I agree that the previews (when they're recorded) are too spoiler-ladened for me to enjoy.

well we can now...but we still need to know what happened after she came to the door...I guess it wasn't much ;)

She introduced herself as a big fan, then they flashed back to Niki laying in the floor, very still, didn't see any movement, they left us with the assumption of her being dead,(at least I think that's what they want us to assume) and Mohinder was narrating as the cameral panned over Niki, his words:

"Evolution is an imperfect and often violent process, morality loses it's meaning, the question of good and evil reduced to one simple choice, survive or perish."

Then they went to the previews, in the previews we saw Micah with the two Japanese dudes while Dad was running towards a burning car, and we also saw the Cop and Clea Duvall, they appeared to be investigating a crime, and Claire's little brother evidently saw Claire do something, because she told him "you can't tell anyone"

Claire's [biological] Father seems to be Sylar, at least that's the implication I'm getting
Would you like a "jumping to conclusions" mat? Because there is no indication that sylar is her father.

... With rare exceptions, the people with the creative influence have almost no say in how the marketing people advertise it, and the marketing people don't give a crap about what the people with creative influence think. Their job is simple. Get people to watch the show. They are not just trying to get the people who will like the show to watch it, they are not trying to enhance the experience for people who will watch it, they are trying to get as many people to watch as possible. That is their only concern, and they have no qualms about spoiling big surprises to get people to watch...


Well, no argument there. Networks, and their marking departments, are not in the entertainment business. They are in the business of selling airtime to advertisers. When shows don't attract the right demographic, they are history...regardless of where they are in plot development. They will cancel shows in the middle of a two-parter and never care that audiences are left hanging.

While it doesn't surprise me that the marketing department will want to do anything they can to attact the right type of viewer, I have also seen previews that are purposely misleading. I don't take anything in a preview as "actual" until it actually airs. Up to that point, it is just speculation and often a red herring.

I just wanted to say I enjoyed seeing Claire last night, and wish someone would post a few screencaps of her in her best.

I also really thought it cool having Niki and her alter ego "talking" thru a mirror.

nc

p.s. This show rulez.

I really liked the tie-in between Niki taking out the gamblers and Hiro.

"I should have saved them."

Is it me or is it possible, the bio-parents are plants by Claire's adopted father? They seemed to be acting the roles, not genuine at all, especially the end scene. Just my take.

Niki is a bad, bad girl. Seriously, there is absolutely nothing heroic about her alter ego. She just slaughters anyone who gets in the way of her perceived goals. So I assume part of her storyline will be the struggle between her good and evil sides. I want to know what the secret was that the kid told his dad... either I missed it or we were supposed to guess. I go back and forth on Claire's dad... they call him the face of evil, but who knows. I still say he is though since he carries around his pocket psychic and abducts mutants to, at best, wipe them.

I have to say, the girl being a spy caught me completely off guard. Bravo!

Is it me or is it possible, the bio-parents are plants by Claire's adopted father? They seemed to be acting the roles, not genuine at all, especially the end scene. Just my take.

Absolutely. I think that was the whole point of the coversation out by the car when bio-dad told him to let them know if he ever needed anything else.

well was that a quick end to my favorite superheroine...?

I'm sure she'll come through.

well guys, any feedack. this was a little slow in my book, more of a filler episode leading into 3-4 episodes of pure action during the sweeps period and a bomb that is suppose to go off in 2 weeks.

Yeah, it wasn't quite the kick in the butt is has been up to now. Nothing wrong with the ep, just a little slow.

No, it doesn't. It started in ****ing 5 minutes. So I missed the end on my recording. I think. What is NBC's problem? They can't do anything right. They are the worst network for anything. Somebody buy this show and "Earl" and take them to another network for safety.

It's not just NBC. ABC and CBS are overlapping by 30seconds to 1 minute and it's killing me. I'm having to pad recordings ALL THE TIME now. I'll give the Comcast/TimeWarner 6412 credit, it always caught this. But my Vip622 apparently needs it's hand held.

I don't get why they clearly edited the show for Niki's husband's power to be a dramatic surprise - yet they blew it by showng him come through the wall on the previews.

Yeah, this is a craptastic policy. I've stopped watching the previews for just this reason.

Is it me or is it possible, the bio-parents are plants by Claire's adopted father? They seemed to be acting the roles, not genuine at all, especially the end scene. Just my take.

Agreed...they were just appeasing her curiousity so she's stop looking into it.

I have to say, the girl being a spy caught me completely off guard. Bravo!


Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious from the start. She ratted him out on Sylars apartment (she was the only one besides him that knew). I was especially suspicious when she tried to mack on him to get him to stay. :-) She was just too nice to be anything but a plant.

I really liked the tie-in between Niki taking out the gamblers and Hiro.

"I should have saved them."

Now, what was the connection between Niki and the gamblers? Why did she take them out? Sorry if it's totally obvious; I must have missed that...

Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious from the start. She ratted him out on Sylars apartment (she was the only one besides him that knew). I was especially suspicious when she tried to mack on him to get him to stay. :-) She was just too nice to be anything but a plant.

Yeah, I thought so, too. Didn't know she'd be working with "evil-dad", though.

While it doesn't surprise me that the marketing department will want to do anything they can to attact the right type of viewer, I have also seen previews that are purposely misleading. I don't take anything in a preview as "actual" until it actually airs. Up to that point, it is just speculation and often a red herring.

I've been looking at previews that way since Lost last season showed Jin speaking in english.

Turns out, it was just a crazy, whacked out dream that Hurley was having...


And, I must say...this show gets better and better each week. One of my most anticipated shows each week.

Right up there with

Lost
The Office
and Prison Break

Now, what was the connection between Niki and the gamblers? Why did she take them out? Sorry if it's totally obvious; I must have missed that...



DL had figured out that it was a woman who set him up, stole his money, and killed his crew. He had heard that a woman had laundered some money through someone he knew. He was going to go check it out in the morning. She beat him to it (the money launderer and the gambling den guy were one and the same).

Now, what was the connection between Niki and the gamblers? Why did she take them out? Sorry if it's totally obvious; I must have missed that...

I missed that too. Were the gamblers the same people that Niki and her husband went to go see? The gamblers could have been the only people who knew the truth about Niki?

Regarding each week's previews for the next week: I didn't get to see last night's previews because my DVR cut off the last scene and a half just like others here, but I'm assuming they didn't show Niki alive and well in the next episode. Now THAT would have been a major no-no.

By the way, if any of you missed the last scene and a have due to your DVR, I just checked out the last 40 secs. on nbc.com "rewind". Didn't miss much, but it was enough to piss off the wife.

Now, what was the connection between Niki and the gamblers? Why did she take them out? Sorry if it's totally obvious; I must have missed that...
Those were the guys that she laundered the 2 million through that DL was going to use. DL said all he knew was that it was a woman who dropped the dime on him and took his money. He was going to see the gangsters to get a name. She took care of business before DL could get there.

Geez! WTH was with all the commercial breaks last night! Felt like I got to watch 3 minutes of show and 8 minutes of commercial each time. :mad:

So DL isn't a bad guy (well, not a REALLY bad guy), Nikki is a bad girl, the dad may or may not be evil, the other girl is a mole... man, this is like Twin Peaks here :)

Guess the whole walking through walls thing shouldn't have been that much of a surpise...if you read the web-comic, it clearly shows that DL has the ability...

I agree though, the previews ALWAYS spoil things...thats what they are there for...I actually stopped watching previews for Lost and 24 last season and it helps DRAMATICALLY with surprises....however, it always sucks when you turn on the TV 5 minutes before the show and they show that SAME EXACT SPOILER-FILLED advertisement and you get spoiled anyways....I ALWAYS hated that...down with previews, down with them forever....

So DL isn't a bad guy (well, not a REALLY bad guy), Nikki is a bad girl, the dad may or may not be evil, the other girl is a mole... man, this is like Twin Peaks here :)
Never saw Twin Peaks, but I really like this aspect of the show. The only thing I didn't like about last night's episode is that it left out certain main characters. Nathan, Matt and Simone.

I think they did a pretty good job casting this show. I do, however, think they could have gotten a better kid than Noah and the mole chick.

Now, what was the connection between Niki and the gamblers? Why did she take them out? Sorry if it's totally obvious; I must have missed that...

DL and his crew robbed "Linderman" of 2 mil. Evidently DL's crew gets killed(by who, I don't know-Bad Niki? The bodies in the desert?). Bad Niki launders the money and puts in in the attic(why she pulls it out while DL is still in the house is beyond me though).

My questions are, who's Linderman, and how is Nathan tied into him and why was he in Las Vegas to get 2 mil, and is it the same 2 mil that Niki ended up with?

I think Lindeman is gang-connected (old style), running the casino where Niki and Nathan trysted. DL's crew may have been killed before they could steal his money, leaving Niki to do the crime, or she may have stolen it from the crew (missed that) and killed them. Nathan, by coincidence was going to Lindeman (Godfather style) to get campaign funding.

DL and his crew robbed "Linderman" of 2 mil. Evidently DL's crew gets killed(by who, I don't know-Bad Niki? The bodies in the desert?). Bad Niki launders the money and puts in in the attic(why she pulls it out while DL is still in the house is beyond me though).

I think I can answer this one - "bad Niki" told "good Niki" to take the money and her kid and bolt, right now - right after telling her that she killed DL's gang as well as the gamblers. Good Niki got the money down from the attic and became Bad Niki just in time to bop DL across the room with the metal briefcase.

Would you like a "jumping to conclusions" mat? Because there is no indication that sylar is her father.

Hell yes I do.

I think Lindeman is gang-connected (old style), running the casino where Niki and Nathan trysted. DL's crew may have been killed before they could steal his money, leaving Niki to do the crime, or she may have stolen it from the crew (missed that) and killed them. Nathan, by coincidence was going to Lindeman (Godfather style) to get campaign funding.
It just seems too much of a coincidence that it's the exact same amount of money. It's not a major point, but this part of the story is a little murky, so far anyways. I guess DL and crew intercepted the money before it was to be given to Nathan and that's how the writers tie Nathan to Niki. But they slept together too, so I'm still unsure why the whole money thing.

It just seems that the rest of the characters have well defined reasons and actions, whereas the Niki/DL/Nathan group have this money connection that doesn't seem to tie into the big picture. At least I don't see it yet.

I think I can answer this one - "bad Niki" told "good Niki" to take the money and her kid and bolt, right now - right after telling her that she killed DL's gang as well as the gamblers. Good Niki got the money down from the attic and became Bad Niki just in time to bop DL across the room with the metal briefcase.
Yeah, but it just seemed to be a weird time to do it, why not wait until DL left? I guess I shouldn't dwell on it too much otherwise I'll end up down the "Lost" rabbit hole looking for reasons and explanations. :p

Well, no argument there. Networks, and their marking departments, are not in the entertainment business. They are in the business of selling airtime to advertisers. When shows don't attract the right demographic, they are history...regardless of where they are in plot development. They will cancel shows in the middle of a two-parter and never care that audiences are left hanging.

While it doesn't surprise me that the marketing department will want to do anything they can to attact the right type of viewer, I have also seen previews that are purposely misleading. I don't take anything in a preview as "actual" until it actually airs. Up to that point, it is just speculation and often a red herring.

True, they can sometimes be misleading, but more often, as was apparently the case with them showing D.L. coming through a wall, it reveals information that was meant to be a surprise, so that's why some people would like discussion of previews kept to a minimum on message boards. I always try to avoid them when watching them, and I understand the risks of going on a message board to read others thoughts on a show and share my own, but it doesn't hurt to ask others to be courteous of us fickle spoiler haters :D .

How cool was that they threw in the Tales From Space comic from Back to the Future in there?

Anyone notice the "9th Wonders" comic? Could that be Nikki, transformed into some huge blob with claws?

So is good Niki dead and now only bad Niki will be around?

I would like to see them have all episodes online. I would like my frinds to see the show but how can they get up to speed on the story.

Blaine

I think Lindeman is gang-connected (old style), running the casino where Niki and Nathan trysted. DL's crew may have been killed before they could steal his money, leaving Niki to do the crime, or she may have stolen it from the crew (missed that) and killed them. Nathan, by coincidence was going to Lindeman (Godfather style) to get campaign funding.

Not sure where all the confusion is coming in, so here's a rough timeline:

1) DL and his crew plan a heist to steal $2 million in mob money. Niki is in on the plan.
2) Bad Niki uses her knowledge of the plan to steal the $$ herself, kill DL's crew and leave evidence framing DL for the crime.
3) Bad Niki launders the $$ with the Gamblers. She puts the $$ in the attic.
4) DL escapes
5) DL learns that a woman set him up and that a woman also laundered $2million with the Gamblers
6) DL visits home, and tells Niki what he's learned.
7) Bad Niki leaves in the middle of the night, kills the money laundering/gambling crew so they can't finger her to DL.

There's no question Bad Niki stole the $$, killed the crew, framed DL, and killed the gamblers/money launderers. She a bad woman.

No question she's a bad woman. She needs a good spanking. ;)

No, it doesn't. It started in ****ing 5 minutes. So I missed the end on my recording. I think. What is NBC's problem? They can't do anything right. They are the worst network for anything.
Amen.

I've already padded my Season Pass by 5 minutes. Hope it's enough...

~Dan

I doubt that Niki is dead. What was more interesting to me is that she seems to possess some kind of super human strength.

Not sure where all the confusion is coming in, so here's a rough timeline:

1) DL and his crew plan a heist to steal $2 million in mob money. Niki is in on the plan.
2) Bad Niki uses her knowledge of the plan to steal the $$ herself, kill DL's crew and leave evidence framing DL for the crime.
3) Bad Niki launders the $$ with the Gamblers. She puts the $$ in the attic.
4) DL escapes
5) DL learns that a woman set him up and that a woman also laundered $2million with the Gamblers
6) DL visits home, and tells Niki what he's learned.
7) Bad Niki leaves in the middle of the night, kills the money laundering/gambling crew so they can't finger her to DL.

There's no question Bad Niki stole the $$, killed the crew, framed DL, and killed the gamblers/money launderers. She a bad woman.

I would put between 2 and 3 that DL is sent to prison. We are also yet to see how DL was framed exactly. What did bad niki do to frame him? I wonder if that will be addressed later on or not. Or maybe I just missed it.

Amen.

I've already padded my Season Pass by 5 minutes. Hope it's enough...

~Dan
sorry fellas that is by design. All networks do this. More advertising dollars. We still get 42-45 min per hr show. But they increase the commercial load which gets us to 1-6 minutes over but the the normal finish time. Rates still apply to the show that went over. At least with digital tv, the TV guide lets you know if the show is going over. Unfortunately DVR users get screwed because you set for the full hr of the season and assume you are done. LOST is the biggest culprit of the extend time issue. The networks other logic is,"you already missed 5 min, you might as well stay on this channel"
DVR user just need to check the program guide to see if it runs over, but that just ruins one of the DVR perks.

Father not as evil as originally thought.
Yeah...I don't know what to make of him yet...

~Dan

sorry fellas that is by design. All networks do this. More advertising dollars.
No, that isn't the case, here. Heroes started late, and ran late.

Lost is actually scheduled to run 1:01, 1:02, 1:04, or whatever. My HD-TiVo has never missed the ending of Lost (I don't have to pad)...

~Dan

Is it me or is it possible, the bio-parents are plants by Claire's adopted father? They seemed to be acting the roles, not genuine at all, especially the end scene. Just my take.
I thought that was obvious...Those weren't her real parents.

~Dan

My questions are, who's Linderman, and how is Nathan tied into him and why was he in Las Vegas to get 2 mil, and is it the same 2 mil that Niki ended up with?
Remember, after Nathan found out that he was taped, he demanded 4 mil for Linderman. 2 mil buys a candiate, 4 mil buys a congressman. He was in Vegas to collect the money, Nikki stole the money months before.

No question she's a bad woman. She needs a good spanking. ;)

Be my guest. Where do you want your body parts delivered? :p

I thought that was obvious...Those weren't her real parents.

~Dan

It would have been really obvious if you watched the Kyle XY season finale last summer. They used the same plot device but with a different twist.

I would put between 2 and 3 that DL is sent to prison. We are also yet to see how DL was framed exactly. What did bad niki do to frame him? I wonder if that will be addressed later on or not. Or maybe I just missed it.

If you get a chance, look at the extra content on the website. In addition to the regular episode, they're telling the story using a variety of media. Is this part of the big "convergence" that they talk about? I've watched episodes online, read a comic book, and skipped part of Monday Night Football just to keep up with this show!

so that's why they didn't say Save the stripper Save the world... :p

what about the sign in her neck? Does that means anything? She didn't have that before, only on her back.

I thought that was obvious...Those weren't her real parents.

~Dan
It was pretty obvious to me.

Remember, after Nathan found out that he was taped, he demanded 4 mil for Linderman. 2 mil buys a candiate, 4 mil buys a congressman. He was in Vegas to collect the money, Nikki stole the money months before.
Yes, I got all that, there just seems to be some missing linkage between DL/Niki/Linderman/Nathan. I guess the whole money thing is simply to link DL, Niki and Nathan together and it's not really important in the grand scheme of things, just as long they're connected up somehow.

BTW, I haven't seen it mentioned, and it was hard to see, but it looked like DL was wearing the symbol around his neck. You could almost catch it as he sat down next to Micah. Not positive, but it sure looked like it.

Now, what was the connection between Niki and the gamblers? Why did she take them out? Sorry if it's totally obvious; I must have missed that...



Yeah, I thought so, too. Didn't know she'd be working with "evil-dad", though.
We still don't know that he is "evil dad". He is bad ass dad, But nothing leads us to really belive he is working with Sylar. He could be part of a mysterious group that knows about powers people have. He is in search for all the ones that Sylar knew of to protect them from him. The "clean him out" was for the cop to not rmeber his Sylar encounter. The father needs to get all these powers together to fight a bigger evil. If he was that bad he would have killed the kid for raping his Daugther that he loves. Plus that looked like surprise on his face when he heard the save the cheer leader line from "spy" lady on the phone. I think he is trying to stop Sylar also. Now that he knows his daugther is marked, he will do his best to protect her more. She was too needy and friendly not to be a spy. Cmon she found all the research way too interesting to be anybody but a plant to find info. I think most everything will play it's way out in the coming weeks.

Geez! WTH was with all the commercial breaks last night! Felt like I got to watch 3 minutes of show and 8 minutes of commercial each time. :mad:


Right here is the screw DVR user moment. They had 2 brief scenes and went to comercials; at about 948 to 952 went to commercial, came back over 2 min later and back to show and the over flow in time. A 4 min scene!!I couldn't believe it!

I would put between 2 and 3 that DL is sent to prison. We are also yet to see how DL was framed exactly. What did bad niki do to frame him? I wonder if that will be addressed later on or not. Or maybe I just missed it.


The online comic mentions something about a gun with his prints.

http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

I think most everything will play it's way out in the coming weeks.

I hope not and disagree with that. If everything plays it's way out, we wouldn't have a show. I think there are a lot of people who are waiting for all the questions to be answered so they can watch a lot of Heroes doing superpower things.

To me, this show is much more about a character study than simple people with super-powers.

I'd be surprised if season one ends and everybody understands their own superpowers. Hiro, although he can use his powers, doesn't have them fully under control. Niki is just now figuring out this dual personality thing. The audience is just meeting new characters. Perhaps we're getting an X-Men movie-type roll-out of characters.

I hope not and disagree with that. If everything plays it's way out, we wouldn't have a show. I think there are a lot of people who are waiting for all the questions to be answered so they can watch a lot of Heroes doing superpower things.

To me, this show is much more about a character study than simple people with super-powers.

I'd be surprised if season one ends and everybody understands their own superpowers. Hiro, although he can use his powers, doesn't have them fully under control. Niki is just now figuring out this dual personality thing. The audience is just meeting new characters. Perhaps we're getting an X-Men movie-type roll-out of characters.
I mis-spoke when I said everything, In my mind I was thinking of things that will be played out soon(only about 3 things)but my fingers type "everything" I think 2 main points will be solved by the end of Nov sweeps. The bomb is stopped or postponed to a later date with the Help of Hiro and his trusty companion. It is obvious he runs into DL and brain kid, but after that meeting he contiues to NYC. The cheerleader will be found, by the four of them they save her life but she is promptly taken by her fathers goons. Thus continuing on the superb quilty of the show and not having them all together yet, but also taking care of 2 items that are suppose to happen really soon judging by the way Artisit and Mimic is setting up the pics in comic form. (save the cheer leader and stop bomb)

This is also where Peter gets his scar from the initial battle with Sylar.
It sounds like a good story for me, This is the time of year when the scripts get better or they get a special guest. This show meets the better script criteria, no guest starts are needed.
If this is what happenes, remember me. If it doesn't remeber also, so you can call me on it.

I haven't been abe to open NBC.com. Is there a new comic?

I haven't been abe to open NBC.com. Is there a new comic?
Yes there is.
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_006.shtml
Shows the backstory to the $2 million heist.

Yes there is.
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_006.shtml
Shows the backstory to the $2 million heist.
thanx, I was able to open through your link. It was weird I couldn't open it manually.

...Plus that looked like surprise on [Claire's dad's] face when he heard the save the cheer leader line from "spy" lady on the phone. I think he is trying to stop Sylar also. Now that he knows his daugther is marked, he will do his best to protect her more...
Or, he was surprised that his evil plan has been uncovered so early in the game... :eek:

~Dan

All my live I have wondered how to say "You are talking out of your ass" in Japanesse.

Now, I know :)

Is the money (2 Million) conterfeit? All had the same serial # 00005967T.

Is the money (2 Million) conterfeit? All had the same serial # 00005967T.
It's probably not supposed to be; what you saw is a suitcase-full of prop money.

I wonder if this is the same $2 million that Nathan referred to?

~Dan

Suresh's neighbor girl... I just couldn't help but feel that she would turn out to be a mole. Get friendly with Suresh with the plummer incident and keep an eye on his progress so that Syler (sp?) can get to the new discoveries first. Good call. She does seem quite mysterious, though, so I wasn't terribly surprised.

It's probably not supposed to be; what you saw is a suitcase-full of prop money.

I wonder if this is the same $2 million that Nathan referred to?

~Dan

Poor prop departments, things are tougher than ever for them since the advent of HDTV, DVRs, and the Internet.

We still don't know that he is "evil dad". He is bad ass dad, But nothing leads us to really belive he is working with Sylar.

I agree. While anything is possible, there are a few things that lean away from his being evil. The cop made it back home alive, the teen rapist being given a second chance (via memory erased), and such.

One thing that I noticed that hasn't been mentioned, which may or may not be important...

Isaac saw something on the painting of a woman. He rubbed what appeared to be the back-side of the woman and voila, the Symbol was painted over. That girl must have been Nikki, and Isaac must have seen it in his premonition.

As for the episode, I thought it was a bit slow... Too much on Claire's fake-biological parents stuff...

Mr. Bennet told Eden to "bring in" Isaac. Is it similar to what he did to Matt (and tried to do to Nathan)? Observe their "evolutionary" development and erase their memory of "abduction"?

Hong.

We seen that symbol on Evil Nikki (on her back just below shoulder) when she was having sex with the politician.

I wonder if that means that Evil Nikki is now going to be the dominant personality...

So, how did Niki get into the attic when she retrieved the money? When she dropped out of the hatch there was no chair or stool or ladder that she would have needed to get up in to the attic. Can she levitate or did they screw up?

Screwed up, I'd bet.

So, how did Niki get into the attic when she retrieved the money? When she dropped out of the hatch there was no chair or stool or ladder that she would have needed to get up in to the attic. Can she levitate or did they screw up?

She's very strong...she likely jumped up and pulled herself up. I'm sure she's just as strong when she's good Niki as bad, she's just never known about her strength? But then again if that were the case she'd likely have noticed by accident (breaking things when all she meant to do was touch them, etc). So forget I said anything. How do you say "talking out your ass" in Japanese again? :-)

I don't know if anyone noticed this, but Claire's dad has two pair of glasses. One pair has a crack in one lens, the left one, I think. He is wearing these when he is in bad ass mode. When he is in family mode, the lens in his glasses is not cracked. When he was on the phone with Eden, telling her to bring in Isaac, he was wearing the uncracked glasses, but was fiddling with the cracked glasses. He was wearing the cracked glasses when he confronted the QB.

My supposition, and just a guess so no spoiler, is that these are Claire's real parents and he has powers (maybe Mom too) and he pretends she is adopted to protect her. He's going to turn out to be a protector/Dr. Xaiver of these "mutants" to offset Sylar.

I've also had a bunch of beer tonight... :D

Is it me or is it possible, the bio-parents are plants by Claire's adopted father? They seemed to be acting the roles, not genuine at all, especially the end scene. Just my take.

Is the money (2 Million) conterfeit? All had the same serial # 00005967T.


With those astute powers of the obvious, have you two thought maybe you should apply to play the next Heroes on the show?

For any comic buffs in here, I thought it was cool that DL used the Vision's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_(comics)) signature move to incapacitate Nikki. The question I have is why does Bad Nikki only care for her son (but definitely enjoys DL), when good Nikki obviously loves DL (or does she?).

Stinky, was it you who first said you thought the Suresh Sidekick was a mole?

Why is it necessary to launder the $2 million through the gambler ??

As for the Nathan raising his price, I suspect that wouldn't go over well with the mobster... I don't think he's in a bargaining position.

For any comic buffs in here, I thought it was cool that DL used the Vision's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_(comics)) signature move to incapacitate Nikki.

Hey, thanks! I totally missed homage.

The Vision often used his ability to alter his density to attack his opponents by sticking his intangible hand in their chests and then rematerializing it, a process he described as "physical disruption." The process caused opponents great pain, and typically resulted in their incapacitation.

So, how did Niki get into the attic when she retrieved the money? When she dropped out of the hatch there was no chair or stool or ladder that she would have needed to get up in to the attic. Can she levitate or did they screw up?
Does it really matter?

Does it really matter?
Yep. Only 181 posts. It matters on AVSForum...apperantly. :rolleyes: (Not rolling my eyes at sdchrgrboy. Rolling my eyes at the fact that we must nit pick every show around here.)

got my shirt...not too happy about the quality cotton..i figured for $25 t-shirt, it would at least be half-way decent quality...I ain't wasting anymore money at CafePress

Poor prop departments, things are tougher than ever for them since the advent of HDTV, DVRs, and the Internet.
you aren't kidding, They have people that watch scene by scene, review every tape, check every prop but mistakes still happen. However, these technologies puts every aspect of a scene under a microscope. There are things people have pointed out that amazes me.

People need to remember that shows aren't filmed as we see them, there are many breaks and many takes. Then they have to put it all together. Little items might be missed. There are things that matter for some shows. But there are shows out there that just have honest mistakes and want you to enjoy it and take it for what it is. A TV show.

As for the Nikki thing, isn't it bad Nikki that stole the money and hid it. With her strength she could jump up there with no problem.

As for the Nikki thing, isn't it bad Nikki that stole the money and hid it. With her strength she could jump up there with no problem.

Yeah but Bad Nikki told good Nikki to go get the money and she was surprised when she saw the briefcase so it had to be good Nikki.

Unless good Nikki also has super strength but I think that if she does the writers would show her discovering the strength because it would be a big plot point.

So, how did Niki get into the attic when she retrieved the money? When she dropped out of the hatch there was no chair or stool or ladder that she would have needed to get up in to the attic. Can she levitate or did they screw up?There was likely a chair or stool that tipped her husband off. He did seem to be waiting when she dropped down.

Who needs a chair to be tipped off? Wouldn't the hole in the ceiling be enough? ;)

Bad Nikki threw DL across the room didn't she? That to me shows she has some sort of super strength?

There was likely a chair or stool that tipped her husband off. He did seem to be waiting when she dropped down.

In a little house like that I think crawling around the attic dragging a suitcase would be fairly hard not to notice.

- Tom

Bad Nikki threw DL across the room didn't she? That to me shows she has some sort of super strength?

Noone is saying that Bad Niki isn't superstrong. They question is whether Good Niki could have gotten up into the ceiling without a ladder or a stool.

Edited for spelling.

Whether something matters on this show or not is a matter pf perspective. When you have shows like LOST, JERICHO and HEROES that drop little hints in the story about other or future events they best not miss something because if we are filtering for these hidden clues then everything they show does matter.

Hehe, just watching Austin Powers Goldmember ... remember the scene with "Godzilla" and a guy is yelling "Godzilla, Godzilla!" and another guy interrupts him and explains he can't be called "Godzilla" for copyright reasons, blah, blah blah ?? That was Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka) ! :D

Hehe, just watching Austin Powers Goldmember ... remember the scene with "Godzilla" and a guy is yelling "Godzilla, Godzilla!" and another guy interrupts him and explains he can't be called "Godzilla" for copyright reasons, blah, blah blah ?? That was Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka) ! :D

LOL I remember that...atta boy Masi!

This morning on the Today show they were on set with Heros. The guy who absorbs powers was covered in gore, and the cheerleader was wearing a Vote for Petrelli shirt.

I know there's been some talk of each week's previews giving away little too much. Watching 'Lost' I realized that the folks from 'Heroes' should study the way 'Lost' does their previews.

'Lost' always manages to show you something really incredible from next week's show, then when you finally see it in context, it's still incredible but somehow entirely different from what you thought you were seeing in the previews. Most times it's still completely satisfying and because there's usually a twist, it's fresh and new.

I hope I explained that well enough. :)
Heroes, on the other hand, shows you an exciting preview, and generally what you see in the preview is pretty much what you get in the actual show--note that I said 'generally'.

Anyone else watch both shows and noticed this?

I know there's been some talk of each week's previews giving away little too much. Watching 'Lost' I realized that the folks from 'Heroes' should study the way 'Lost' does their previews.
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Anyone else watch both shows and noticed this?
Yes. Both shows give too many spoilers. I don't watch the previews any more (or promos during the week)...

~Dan

Anyone else watch both shows and noticed this? It must vary .... I know I've mentioned to my wife once or twice that the preview they showed for something wasn't what they implied (with the way they show a segment, cut to another, and imply they're related). The one I recall had something to do with Claire's dad and DL and him telling him to do something. I thought it had to do with Niki and Petrelli when it in fact involved the quarterback (or something like that).

According to EW, NBC has requested 2 or 3 additional episodes to add to the 22 episode season. Kring is evaluating the request.

Also a couple of spoilers included in the article.

I haven't made a good post about my sister in a while...

Anyway, my sister has four young children, and needless to say enjoys her television quality time immensely. She's rather insiteful on these new 'over the top' dramas, almost to the point of scary...here is what she said about heroes...

1) Hiro visited Peter Petrelli in the past because Peter was the only one he could visit without disrupting the continuem. When Hiro froze time, Peter who now shared Hiro's power via close proximity, was uneffected by the time freeze because of it. Notice Hiro has yet to be able to 'project' his power to anyone else like that. The whole world literally stops but him.

2) Peter may be the only hero who can defeat a fully powered up Sylar. Because if Peter was fighting Sylar, he would be able to use Sylars own power against him being an equal match. She thinks that Peter might even be somewhat more powerful than just the power he duplicates, for example: He didn't need to get high to paint.

3) Micah has 'some' power...how is he so aware of whats going on? His mom isn't really telling him that much. He even knows about what she is doing in the garage! He seems to know whats going on more than anyone appears to be telling him and more than what he is actually seeing. Its just very subtle...

Anyway...that was her thoughts on it...figured they were interesting and worth sharing...

2) Peter may be the only hero who can defeat a fully powered up Sylar. Because if Peter was fighting Sylar, he would be able to use Sylars own power against him being an equal match. She thinks that Peter might even be somewhat more powerful than just the power he duplicates, for example: He didn't need to get high to paint.


I took his to mean that neither does the painter (forget his name).

According to EW, NBC has requested 2 or 3 additional episodes to add to the 22 episode season. Kring is evaluating the request.

Also a couple of spoilers included in the article.

NBC has already renewed this show for NEXT Season!

Next season was a no-brainer. Getting a 24 or 25 episode first season was the good news.

for those who didn't read Hiro's bio, He was on Scrubs in season 4. I think it is safe to say he has a more secure job now.

Hiro (Masi Oka) is indeed my hero! He is another computer nerd that also has managed to make good in Hollywood.

- Tom (nerd but not movie star)

Next season was a no-brainer. Getting a 24 or 25 episode first season was the good news.
that is true, we should be happy when a hit show gives us 22 episodes in this day and age of television. Let alone 24 -25. That is good news, that means there will be a 2 hr season finale. This is the first show in recent memory that has started the season on premiere week and continued straight through november sweeps(11/27 last episode). I wonder how NBC will play out the remaining 14 episodes. I really do not want to wait until next year for a new episode, but if that will limit re-runs and stop them from giving us the one new then 3 repeats problem. I have no problem waiting until late January or Feb 5th. But I haven't seen or heard anything about NBC's plans hopefully they will make us fans happy.

Question: Did Nikki steal money from DL? I ask this because we now know he was framed by a woman(bad Nikki). I thought money was stolen from DL before he was framed. However she just got the money that was in the attic from the guys she murdered at the poker game. Are we suppose to believe there is more money somewhere else? Maybe buried in the grave

Question: Did Nikki steal money from DL? I ask this because we now know he was framed by a woman(bad Nikki). I thought money was stolen from DL before he was framed. However she just got the money that was in the attic from the guys she murdered at the poker game. Are we suppose to believe there is more money somewhere else? Maybe buried in the grave

She stole the money from the same gangster that the flying guy got money from, and DL worked for. The gambling guy was cleaning it for her and DL found out (told her about it) so bad Niki slipped out and killed everyone.

I want the kids power!!!

Radiation-Dude was interesting....looks like there may be a 'mutant-nation' soon. (man, too many frakkin' commercials)

can somebody tell me what happend after the father grabbed the phone?? it went over 11:00, my dvr cut it off. thats the second week in a row i just adjusted to record 5 minutes over

Question: Did Nikki steal money from DL? I ask this because we now know he was framed by a woman(bad Nikki). I thought money was stolen from DL before he was framed. However she just got the money that was in the attic from the guys she murdered at the poker game. Are we suppose to believe there is more money somewhere else? Maybe buried in the grave

Bad Niki has a name: Jessica.

can somebody tell me what happend after the father grabbed the phone?? it went over 11:00, my dvr cut it off. thats the second week in a row i just adjusted to record 5 minutes over
Niki put her phone down,and inserted a magazine into her handgun.

Ok...now we have the 'human torch' character...

Whats Micah now? Could be telekinetic...

Yeah, but is the human torch the source of the explosion in NYC?

To me it sounded like Nathan actually got the painting. So what's his plan?

Micha's more than telekenetic. In the end he reaches Petrelli's wife and "fixes" her.

I'm confused...

Didn't Simone's dad die in the pilot episode? Or did Peter just quit? I don't remember.

I don't have the old episodes on my TiVo anymore; somebody please set me straight...

~Dan

I'm confused...

Didn't Simone's dad die in the pilot episode? Or did Peter just quit? I don't remember.

I don't have the old episodes on my TiVo anymore; somebody please set me straight...

~Dan


He didn't die, Peter just quit. He found out he could fly and wanted to find his 'destiny'.

He didn't die, Peter just quit. He found out he could fly and wanted to find his 'destiny'.
Oh, ok. Thanks!

I thought I was losing it there for a bit...

~Dan

Best line of the night--in the preview for next week, talking about Claire's dad:

"And the big question: who's side is this guy really on?"

~Dan

I want the kids power!!!

The power to use out of order phones? :D

If I could manipulate electronics I would make sure D* has enough bandwidth to have over 100 HD channels!! :D

The power to use out of order phones? :D

It sure beats the high cost of cell phones!

I found it interesting that Mica knew the difference between Nikki and Jessica when he said, "Put my Mom on the phone". He evidently has met Jessica before.

When Hiro stops time, don't the "people with special powers" stay in motion and not "reeeze"? I was waiting to see Micah move or shout or something when the car exploded. Did anyone NOT freeze when the car exploded and Hiro "paused" time?

Very interesting show. many characters! It's starting to get really good with the people meeting up with each other. I just hope this show doesn't burn-out. It's very different, which is good. Stay the course, writers/producers.

nc

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I found it interesting that Mica knew the difference between Nikki and Jessica when he said, "Put my Mom on the phone". He evidently has met Jessica before.

Also interesting is the fact that he still gave away his location to her.

She stole the money from the same gangster that the flying guy got money from, and DL worked for. The gambling guy was cleaning it for her and DL found out (told her about it) so bad Niki slipped out and killed everyone. This is the confusing part .... it seems everything is tied together with this Linderman guy, including him having bought the "missing" painting that Isaac did and Peter wants back.

To me it sounded like Nathan actually got the painting. He did and it's being sent to some gallery. He told Peter he couldn't get it though.

When Hiro stops time, don't the "people with special powers" stay in motion and not "reeeze"? I was waiting to see Micah move or shout or something when the car exploded. Did anyone NOT freeze when the car exploded and Hiro "paused" time?



So far, the only person who has ever been able to stay in motion when Hiro stopped time has been Peter. I have seen two theories as to why he did: 1. The Hiro that stopped time then was FutureHiro, who has more mastery of his powers, and may be able to let other people in his little time bubble or whatever it is, or 2. Peter was unknowingly mimicing Hiro's power. Either way, there is nothing to suggest that anyone with powers is immune to Hiro's time stopping.

Actually I believe it is the second possibility. That Peters power is the ability to mimic or assume the powers of those around him. Thus the only flying when brother is around, the precognition with isacc and the time bending with Hiro.

Is DL putting his hand "thru" the car window the first we see of his powers?

It sure beats the high cost of cell phones!

I found it interesting that Mica knew the difference between Nikki and Jessica when he said, "Put my Mom on the phone". He evidently has met Jessica before.

yeah, looks like the poor guy's been dealing with this for a while.

When Hiro stops time, don't the "people with special powers" stay in motion and not "reeeze"? I was waiting to see Micah move or shout or something when the car exploded. Did anyone NOT freeze when the car exploded and Hiro "paused" time?

nc


I'm with the folks on the theory that only Peter can move when Hiro freezes time, because he absorbs Hiro's power when in close proximity. Everyone else freezes right along with the timeline.

Also interesting is the fact that he still gave away his location to her.


He's not afraid of her, she's never done anything but protect him. And he knows his mom is in there somewhere.

Is DL putting his hand "thru" the car window the first we see of his powers?

He put his hand through Nikki last week.

yeah, looks like the poor guy's been dealing with this for a while.

didn't micah tell his dad "mom has secrets too"

Actually I believe it is the second possibility. That Peters power is the ability to mimic or assume the powers of those around him. Thus the only flying when brother is around, the precognition with isacc and the time bending with Hiro.

I agree with this as well. That's why he can only fly/levitate when Nathan is around. Could only paint when Issac was around, etc. Can't wait to see how he gets mutilated when he tries to save the cheerleader, but then walks away from it.

didn't micah tell his dad "mom has secrets too"

Yes he did. We knew from the last episode that he knew about his mother.

Does it not seem that this show is getting a little out of hand? Which characters on the show DON'T have super powers?

Does it not seem that this show is getting a little out of hand? Which characters on the show DON'T have super powers?
well we need a mix good, bad and questionable. So far too many good guys and not enough EVIL(sylar) being the only true evil one out there. Dad and pal are still on the bubble. Nikki/Jessica can be evil, but the kid keeps them on the good side and what they do they do it for him.

Does it not seem that this show is getting a little out of hand? Which characters on the show DON'T have super powers?

Good point. Even the people in the commercials have a power: to annoy with constant interruptions of the flow.

well we need a mix good, bad and questionable. So far too many good guys and not enough EVIL(sylar) being the only true evil one out there. Dad and pal are still on the bubble. Nikki/Jessica can be evil, but the kid keeps them on the good side and what they do they do it for him.

I don't think I've seen anything good about Nathan. He is a manipulating, selfish politician who can fly.

He put his hand through Nikki last week. On the episode where he and Niki went to the gambler, the door had a pushbutton (combination) lock on it. I'm positive he used his power to open/unlock that door then.

I don't think I've seen anything good about Nathan. He is a manipulating, selfish politician who can fly.
Why is that bad? He is playing the part perfectly, an Emmy performance. He has you hating him like most of us feel about our politicians.
I think his brother keeps him on the good side. Once he gets elected he knows he can help more people with his powers, then he could with the power of his office.

We sure didn't see anything new last night. Cheerleader got her hand stapled and it healed (which was nothing more than a prosthetic hand riged to shoot blood and then ran backwards. Nikki's husband can go through things. Hiro stopped time yet again.

OK, maybe was saw one thing new: Micah can make calls on an out-of-order pay phone. Who didn't see that one coming? Someone on the previous page of this thread (his wife actually) already pointed it out that he knew what his mom was doing in the garage.

At the breakfast table, I kept thinking to myself, "Alright! Something cool needs to happen!", but it never did.

This episode really lacked any cool super powers that we haven't seen before.

On the note of "cool super powers": Now that the show has been renewed with more episodes ordered and an additional season, has the budget gone up for this show? The special effect on this show have been good, but too few and far between. Lost on ABC has some pretty spectacular and believable special effects. Any chance Heroes will get the same with the newly ordered episodes?

I know NBC is trying to save money.

I don't think I've seen anything good about Nathan. He is a manipulating, selfish politician who can fly.

That doesn't equate to evil, however. Just self centered. He cares about his brother and family, does anyone think he wants to see NY get nuked?

Yes he did. We knew from the last episode that he knew about his mother.

He knew his mother had a secret...didn't specify what that was (at least that we could see).

I actually got a bit of a chill when he told her "can you please just put my mother on?" in a totally calm voice. As if he'd been dealing with Jessica for a long time. Poor kid.

That doesn't equate to evil, however. Just self centered. He cares about his brother and family, does anyone think he wants to see NY get nuked?

I agree. He isn't evil. His speech about flying showed that. He said that he wouldn't be able to do any good or make a difference if he could fly. He thinks that being elected would allow him to do a lot more good and "make a difference" versus flying.

I agree. He isn't evil. His speech about flying showed that. He said that he wouldn't be able to do any good or make a difference if he could fly. He thinks that being elected would allow him to do a lot more good and "make a difference" versus flying.


His speech made me crack up because he repeated many of the things we've talked about here. His power allows him to get from point A to B very quickly as well as to observe things going on from a birds eye view. I suppose he can also access areas that others couldn't. But he has no superstrength or combat abilities to use once he gets there. So he sees his power as a disability, making him a freak of science rather than something that can be used for good.

Hopefully once the manure hits the fan he'll prove himself wrong.

Yeah, but is the human torch the source of the explosion in NYC?

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Micha's more than telekenetic. In the end he reaches Petrelli's wife and "fixes" her. They both sound completely valid. "Torch" fears he could blow up if shot. And if Micah can manipulate the electronic pathways of a telephone, why can't he have the potential to do the same with neuro-electric pathways?

We have never seen Linderman, correct? I wonder what his powers are.

Maybe Linderman is Sylar...

I agree with this as well. That's why he can only fly/levitate when Nathan is around. Could only paint when Issac was around, etc. Can't wait to see how he gets mutilated when he tries to save the cheerleader, but then walks away from it.

Actually, it has to be the first. If future Hiro risked a rift, like he said, to come back just to specifically talk to Peter, why would he do that if he couldn't talk to him. Was he just hoping that Peter would absorb his power "and" use them to unfreeze time so they can talk. At the time this happen, Peter was unsure of his power, he thought it might be just flying, he wasn't sure. He doesn't know he can absorb and use everyone's, it was still developing. Peter also wouldn't suddenly be able to know how to use all of Hiro's powers and enter someone elses time bubble or do whatever, it happens by accident, he doesn't know he has them. That is why he suddenly flew, he didn't know he could fly just by being around Nathan, he only had dreams. He didn't know he could draw the future, it suddenly appeared when he needed it. He doesn't know when has the power. I highly doubt Hiro risked all this to come back on a hope Peter would use it. He can control his power's easily in the future and pull people into his sphere of control. He had to know this otherwise he wouldn't be able to talk to Peter.

Overall, it seemed the episode was a bit slow, but good. And the friggin’ commercials again!

It's clear the Torch guy is a walking nuclear bomb as evidenced by the radiation and his little tirade to the cop and the FBI agent while holding the nurse hostage. "What if I just blew up and took out New York!?!"

Is it me, or was the last time we saw the cop he was in a quick stop holding a gun and passing out due to all the voices? It seemed a little disconnected that when we saw him again he was ok and at home with the wife. Did I miss something?

I’m getting more and more curious to see where Claire’s dad falls into all this.

Maybe Linderman is Sylar...

Naah, Linderman is Claire's dad!

Pimp daddy....ewwww.

Lost on ABC has some pretty spectacular and believable special effects. Any chance Heroes will get the same with the newly ordered episodes?

It does? I thought it was popular opinion that Lost has some very poor visual effects for a major show. As evidenced by the extremely bad parrot from last season. The smoke monster last week was a step up in the Lost FX deparment. So far this season I think Heroes has been superior in FX.

Actually, it has to be the first. If future Hiro risked a rift, like he said, to come back just to specifically talk to Peter, why would he do that if he couldn't talk to him. Was he just hoping that Peter would absorb his power "and" use them to unfreeze time so they can talk. At the time this happen, Peter was unsure of his power, he thought it might be just flying, he wasn't sure. He doesn't know he can absorb and use everyone's, it was still developing. Peter also wouldn't suddenly be able to know how to use all of Hiro's powers and enter someone elses time bubble or do whatever, it happens by accident, he doesn't know he has them. That is why he suddenly flew, he didn't know he could fly just by being around Nathan, he only had dreams. He didn't know he could draw the future, it suddenly appeared when he needed it. He doesn't know when has the power. I highly doubt Hiro risked all this to come back on a hope Peter would use it. He can control his power's easily in the future and pull people into his sphere of control. He had to know this otherwise he wouldn't be able to talk to Peter.


here's what i've been wondering about peter's powers. if he can fly only when the brother is around, what happens if he takes off in full flight in front of his brother, but his brother stays behind on the ground? once he gets out of "range", he won't be able to fly anymore and would plummet to his death...

here's what i've been wondering about peter's powers. if he can fly only when the brother is around, what happens if he takes off in full flight in front of his brother, but his brother stays behind on the ground? once he gets out of "range", he won't be able to fly anymore and would plummet to his death... I was thinking the same thing when he joked about racing around the Statue of Liberty: if one got too far from the other, Peter would probably fall to his death.

Well, he seems to absorb it for a period of time... for instance drawing after the first time they visited Isaac, Isaac wasn't still around.

So he saves the cheerleader, absorbs her power, uses it to save NYC, and gets that scar just as the power fades away.

I know, I'm reaching here. :p

I highly doubt Hiro risked all this to come back on a hope Peter would use it. He can control his power's easily in the future and pull people into his sphere of control. He had to know this otherwise he wouldn't be able to talk to Peter.

In that case he could have come back and talked to whomever he wanted...why Peter? Why not warn the cheerleader (hey, watch out for the this guy, he'll kill you on this date, etc)?

In that case he could have come back and talked to whomever he wanted...why Peter? Why not warn the cheerleader (hey, watch out for the this guy, he'll kill you on this date, etc)?

If you listen to his speech again, he says he has tried this numerous times and it didn't work, and that he was risking a rift just by being there.

Obviously things have been tried before, who knows what he/they did try. Plus, regardless if he warns the cheerleader, Sylar is coming after her. If he warned her to stay away, Sylar would just go to her house, or wherever, doesn't matter if he warned her, Sylar was coming for her and going to get her. If she even left the state, wouldn't stop Sylar from hunting her down. They needed someone that could save her, and defeat Sylar, and since they know Peter can absorb powers, he is probably the best candidate for the fight.

here's what i've been wondering about peter's powers. if he can fly only when the brother is around, what happens if he takes off in full flight in front of his brother, but his brother stays behind on the ground? once he gets out of "range", he won't be able to fly anymore and would plummet to his death...

They reported somewhere that he absorbs them for a period of time. I think it was a lot to, could of sworn it was like a day, but it might be a few hours. At any rate. As long as he didn't fly around the world for hours, he would be good to go. Better keep an eye on that watch, hate to be flying in the clouds and suddenly your time ran out.

Slight spoiler -

In that Entertainment Weekly article they talk about Hiro and his sword and that the sword becomes a major part of the show. Man, how cool will that be. Can't wait. Since it had a symbol on the sword like on everyone's back (the helix) I wonder if it has its own powers or something. Way cool. Can't wait.

Can you imagine how cool Hiro could actually be in a fight when he can control his powers more and just think them into being. He could stop time, slice you, appear behind you, start time again. Awesome, unstoppable (almost like Nightcrawler in Xmen but way better).

Highly recommend you read that Entertainment article, cool stuff in there.

If you listen to his speech again, he says he has tried this numerous times and it didn't work, and that he was risking a rift just by being there.

Obviously things have been tried before, who knows what he/they did try. Plus, regardless if he warns the cheerleader, Sylar is coming after her. If he warned her to stay away, Sylar would just go to her house, or wherever, doesn't matter if he warned her, Sylar was coming for her and going to get her. If she even left the state, wouldn't stop Sylar from hunting her down. They needed someone that could save her, and defeat Sylar, and since they know Peter can absorb powers, he is probably the best candidate for the fight.

Plus the fact that right now only Peter would be receptive, all the rest with the exception of maybe the cop don't particularly even want the power or aren't concerned with the big picture. The artist was seemingly beginning to get with the program, but he's been abducted and no telling what is going to happen to him.

Which brings us back to the Lindemann painting. I'll need to listen to the dialog again, but if Nathan was thanking Lindemann for sending the painting to a gallery, and the painter has been abducted with all the remaining paintings by the pixie who works with Claire's dad, doesn't that make it likely that Claire's dad has an extensive art collection, including Lindemann's painting? When Nathan flew from his abductors in Las Vegas was that before or after they had drugged him and probed his mind? If he'd been "probed" he may now be working subconciously for Claire's dad as the mindreading cop may be.

Slight spoiler -

In that Entertainment Weekly article they talk about Hiro and his sword and that the sword becomes a major part of the show. Man, how cool will that be. Can't wait. Since it had a symbol on the sword like on everyone's back (the helix) I wonder if it has its own powers or something. Way cool. Can't wait.

Can you imagine how cool Hiro could actually be in a fight when he can control his powers more and just think them into being. He could stop time, slice you, appear behind you, start time again. Awesome, unstoppable (almost like Nightcrawler in Xmen but way better).

Highly recommend you read that Entertainment article, cool stuff in there.

Considering that the basis of the 'Heroes' story line is Genetic Abnormalities leading to people w/ supernatural abilities. I don't see how you get a Sword which is an inanimate object w/ no genetic basis to alter, becoming embude w/ powers.

That said, stopping time and using the sword is a definate possibility.

Personally I think Peter's ability is the most inspiring, but potentially the most frustrating. It's not apparent that he's figured out that his ability is to use others abilities in which he's in close proximity to. He still seems to think his ability is to fly, when that's his brothers. Even though he took on Isaac's ability to paint the future, and Hiro's ability to stop time (Hiro stopped time, but Peter was able to move in time when it happened.) The frustration will come in when he can't do the things he 'thinks' are his powers when he needs to and the 'Hero' whom he takes the power isn't around.

Still not sure of the importance of Mohinder's character beyond being an observer, but maybe he's the counter to the Cheerleaders father.

CCourtney

Which brings us back to the Lindemann painting. I'll need to listen to the dialog again, but if Nathan was thanking Lindemann for sending the painting to a gallery, and the painter has been abducted with all the remaining paintings by the pixie who works with Claire's dad, doesn't that make it likely that Claire's dad has an extensive art collection, including Lindemann's painting? When Nathan flew from his abductors in Las Vegas was that before or after they had drugged him and probed his mind? If he'd been "probed" he may now be working subconciously for Claire's dad as the mindreading cop may be.

I think it was before he was probed because he was still in his clothes from the hotel room (sleep clothes) and they were taking him out of the van to inside the building.

All the paintings were taken from Isaac's apartment so I guess Claire's dad has them.

Yes, Nathan thanked Lindemann for giving him the painting and to send it right to the gallery. Then he told Peter he couldn't get it. I think it is all just because Nathan doesn't want to embrace what is happening so he thinks if he hides it from Peter it will all go away and Peter will stop.

Spoiler warning - in a future episode they revealed that Nathan really isn't bad as some think he is, and that something will happen that he has to embrace his power and realize he needs to start using it, thus making him a "good" hero.

Which brings us back to the Lindemann painting. I'll need to listen to the dialog again, but if Nathan was thanking Lindemann for sending the painting to a gallery, and the painter has been abducted with all the remaining paintings by the pixie who works with Claire's dad, doesn't that make it likely that Claire's dad has an extensive art collection, including Lindemann's painting? When Nathan flew from his abductors in Las Vegas was that before or after they had drugged him and probed his mind? If he'd been "probed" he may now be working subconciously for Claire's dad as the mindreading cop may be.

I was under the assumption he escaped before they did anything with or to him, I thought they dragged him outside from the room and then he escaped before they really got to him.

And if Micah can manipulate the electronic pathways of a telephone, why can't he have the potential to do the same with neuro-electric pathways?
What I don't understand is why he has a completely different power than either of his parents. That doesn't make sense. If anything, his power should be that his alter-ego can walk through walls. :D

~Dan

What I don't understand is why he has a completely different power than either of his parents. That doesn't make sense. If anything, his power should be that his alter-ego can walk through walls. :D

~Dan

Funny. But I am not sure that Niki's power is that she has an alter ego. I think that is a by-product of her psyche, and that her super power is super strength. The twist is that she has a multiple personality disorder, and her alter ego is the only one that has figured out how to use it.

One thing not commented on (at least I haven't seen) is that these people's superpowers have all suddenly been turned on recently. Was it the solar eclipse that caused it? Or is that a red herring and coincidental (it seems to be prominent in the opening titles of the show). Why all of a sudden do all of these people have these powers?

And if they have only recently been given these powers, Niki's alter ego was around long before the powers started, if she stole from her husband and set him up way in the past.

What I don't understand is why he has a completely different power than either of his parents. That doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense ?? Combine super-strength with the ability to pass through walls and other objects and what do you get ?? Duh....

We sure didn't see anything new last night. Cheerleader got her hand stapled and it healed (which was nothing more than a prosthetic hand riged to shoot blood and then ran backwards. Nikki's husband can go through things. Hiro stopped time yet again.

OK, maybe was saw one thing new: Micah can make calls on an out-of-order pay phone. Who didn't see that one coming? Someone on the previous page of this thread (his wife actually) already pointed it out that he knew what his mom was doing in the garage.

At the breakfast table, I kept thinking to myself, "Alright! Something cool needs to happen!", but it never did.

This episode really lacked any cool super powers that we haven't seen before.

Radiation man was new.

I think it was before he was probed because he was still in his clothes from the hotel room (sleep clothes) and they were taking him out of the van to inside the building.

All the paintings were taken from Isaac's apartment so I guess Claire's dad has them.

Yes, Nathan thanked Lindemann for giving him the painting and to send it right to the gallery. Then he told Peter he couldn't get it. I think it is all just because Nathan doesn't want to embrace what is happening so he thinks if he hides it from Peter it will all go away and Peter will stop.



Yes, I don't think they ever got a chance to probe Nathan before he flew away. Besides, it seems that one of the goals of the probes are to erase any memory of Claire's dad or the probe itself.

Regarding the Lindermann painting, I think it must be more than Nathan thinking it will all go away if Peter doesn't get the painting. Otherwise he wouldn't have called Lindermann in the first place to ask for it. He would have just told Peter he couldn't get it without making any calls.

What I don't understand is why he has a completely different power than either of his parents. That doesn't make sense. If anything, his power should be that his alter-ego can walk through walls. :D

~Dan

Actually they are all three sort of transmutive powers. Father able to transform substance for the ability to pass through the object. The son able to transform/manipulate electronic circuits. The mother able to transmute self into another entity - or at least create a Dopple Ganger, but of what after all it has substance.

CCourtney

Best line of the night--in the preview for next week, talking about Claire's dad:

"And the big question: who's side is this guy really on?"

~Dan

To me, this was horrible and I feel like I am joining the camp of the preview haters.

We already know that he may be good, may be evil, saying this seems to clinch the fact that he is good.

Overall, it seemed the episode was a bit slow, but good. And the friggin’ commercials again!



I agree... I was kinda disappointed with the speed of this episode.

Can't comment on the commercials as I rip those out before I watch the show. HTPC is the bomb! ;)

Funny. But I am not sure that Niki's power is that she has an alter ego. I think that is a by-product of her psyche, and that her super power is super strength. The twist is that she has a multiple personality disorder, and her alter ego is the only one that has figured out how to use it.

One thing not commented on (at least I haven't seen) is that these people's superpowers have all suddenly been turned on recently. Was it the solar eclipse that caused it? Or is that a red herring and coincidental (it seems to be prominent in the opening titles of the show). Why all of a sudden do all of these people have these powers?

And if they have only recently been given these powers, Niki's alter ego was around long before the powers started, if she stole from her husband and set him up way in the past.

I agree with this too. I think that some of the heroes don't know how to properly access their powers yet.

Niki is one, Issac is another. Peter needed no heroin when at Issac's place to finish a painting, but Issac says he needs to shoot up. I am pretty sure that Issac doesn't need heroin, but right now he doesn't know how to get to that different plane of consciousness by himself.

I suspect there is one person who can help these heroes harness their powers:
Claire's dad, the Professor X type.

As far as maybe Heidi having powers it is a possibility: As DL and Niki show, heroes are drawn together. It might be in their genetic coding to be attracted to other people with genetic variations.

Hell that other kid who filmed Claire could be a hero: ditto that for Claire's brother, who I believe is her blood brother and that she is not adopted at all.

Three random and unrelated thoughts:

1. At one point Claire's mother mentioned that she has never been sick except one bad cold she got as a kid. This lead me to believe that the mutation is related to this and the "cold" turns it on. I could be way off but it seemed to make sense at the time.

2. Did anyone else get the impression that the friendly neighbor that kissed the Indian scientist guy expected her kiss to kind of make him love her?

3. If Radiation man is the source of the nuclear blast in NYC, the following series of events would make sense to me: Peter saves Claire from Sylar and they go to NYC where they try to stop the blast. Radiation man winds up in NYC (somehow). Sylar goes to radiation man to try to take his power - in one timeline her whacks the guys head and everything goes boom; in another timeline Peter with Claire's power fight Sylar and gets the scar he becomes notorious for later.

Three random and unrelated thoughts:

1. At one point Claire's mother mentioned that she has never been sick except one bad cold she got as a kid. This lead me to believe that the mutation is related to this and the "cold" turns it on. I could be way off but it seemed to make sense at the time.



Does anyone actually think this was Claire's mother?

2. Did anyone else get the impression that the friendly neighbor that kissed the Indian scientist guy expected her kiss to kind of make him love her?Ya think? Seriously, that was an attempt to get him to stay. Appearently, she's in cahoots with someone that believes the scientist has vital information; info he himself is not yet aware of.

Does anyone actually think this was Claire's mother?
no, and I can't believe that there are some that do.

Does anyone actually think this was Claire's mother?
It was her "adoptive" mom who made that statement wasn't it?


ron

It was her "adoptive" mom who made that statement wasn't it?


ron

No, it was her assumedly fake biological mother.

No it wasn't. It was the adoptive mom. They were having the conversation in the kitchen over the cookies that they then threw away.

No it wasn't. It was the adoptive mom. They were having the conversation in the kitchen over the cookies that they then threw away.

I thought it was the discussion about health-related issues when Claire asked her biological mother if there were any issues?

Actually, it has to be the first. If future Hiro risked a rift, like he said, to come back just to specifically talk to Peter, why would he do that if he couldn't talk to him. Was he just hoping that Peter would absorb his power "and" use them to unfreeze time so they can talk. At the time this happen, Peter was unsure of his power, he thought it might be just flying, he wasn't sure. He doesn't know he can absorb and use everyone's, it was still developing. Peter also wouldn't suddenly be able to know how to use all of Hiro's powers and enter someone elses time bubble or do whatever, it happens by accident, he doesn't know he has them. That is why he suddenly flew, he didn't know he could fly just by being around Nathan, he only had dreams. He didn't know he could draw the future, it suddenly appeared when he needed it. He doesn't know when has the power. I highly doubt Hiro risked all this to come back on a hope Peter would use it. He can control his power's easily in the future and pull people into his sphere of control. He had to know this otherwise he wouldn't be able to talk to Peter.


Ummmm...yeah, that's what I was pointing out. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

It may have been on the 2nd or 3rd episode when Claire's father found the tape. As he finished watching, he said something like "You have dissapointed me". Does anyone recall what he said exactly? Maybe a clue to whether he is on the good or bad side.

Ya think? Seriously, that was an attempt to get him to stay. Appearently, she's in cahoots with someone that believes the scientist has vital information; info he himself is not yet aware of.

You mis-understand - I mean do you think this is her power!?

No, it was her assumedly fake biological mother.

Nope, it was her adoptive mom - to me her adoptive mother is her mother. I did even consider the fake mom worthy of comment :)

You mis-understand - I mean do you think this is her power!?Ah...okay. If it is, the scientist is certainly immune.

Nope, it was her adoptive mom - to me her adoptive mother is her mother. I did even consider the fake mom worthy of comment :)

Oh, okay. Sorry about that. I figured you were making a genetic link comment.

Does anyone think the eclipse has anything to do with any of this? It's the logo of the series after all.

I dont think so, Claire said she was adopted ...

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Hell that other kid who filmed Claire could be a hero: ditto that for Claire's brother, who I believe is her blood brother and that she is not adopted at all.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone think the eclipse has anything to do with any of this? It's the logo of the series after all.
Maybe for some, but it would appear that the cheerleader has not only known, but used her power for some time based on the ongoing video she's been making. In addition, I think the stripper mom kind of hinted to her friend that she's been seeing her alter-ego for a while. Finally, how long has the artist been painting weird stuff?

The cop, on the other hand, appears to have just recently discovered his powers. Hiro has been experimenting, but only recently successfully used his. I can't tell if the politician knew about his powers for any length of time. He seemed pretty old hat at using them when he rescued his brother.

It may have been on the 2nd or 3rd episode when Claire's father found the tape. As he finished watching, he said something like "You have dissapointed me". Does anyone recall what he said exactly? Maybe a clue to whether he is on the good or bad side.

It was near the end of episode 2, they were having a conversation, he said I'm not done protecting you from the world and then they talked a bit and she said you can't protect me forever, he said I know and it breaks my heart after a bit more conversation Claire left and he then viewed the tape and then he repeated "It really does break my heart".

What I don't understand is why he has a completely different power than either of his parents. That doesn't make sense.What doesn't make sense ?? Combine super-strength with the ability to pass through walls and other objects and what do you get ?? Duh....
Oh, of course: Super Strength + Walk Through Walls = Make Broken Phone Work

How could I be so stupid? :rolleyes:

~Dan

To me, this was horrible and I feel like I am joining the camp of the preview haters.

We already know that he may be good, may be evil, saying this seems to clinch the fact that he is good.
Actually, I thought it said nothing revealing about the dad at all, furthering our questions. It was a better preview than some of them which have given too much away. I hope they are be learning to tease rather than give away too much, otherwise I'll just have to quit watching the preview.

Noticed the dad and Mohinder were completely not in this episode. They do have so many characters right now, this show would almost be better as a 2 hour show every week. There's just no time. Even though that would end the season twice as fast.

Oh, of course: Super Strength + Walk Through Walls = Make Broken Phone Work

How could I be so stupid? :rolleyes:

~Dan
Why couldn't he have his own unique powers?

Both my parents are skilled at math - they actually met working at a bank. I, on the other hand, have no aptitude for numbers. I can't even remember a phone number for more than 5 minutes.

My entire family wore glasses by the 3rd grade. I didn't need them until junior high.

The rest of my family gets vertigo when they approach any height. I'm fearless in that regard - I've clung to the edges of 100 foot cliffs, dangled from multi-story towers built from logs lashed together with rope (while building said tower) and I've leaned through rooftop railings of 50 story or larger buildings.

Computers, for me, are like a natural extension of my body. For the rest of my family, computers are like an uncomfortable pair of shoes.

I can't name more than 3 TV shows (past or present) that I have in common with members of my family. Movies and music are pretty much the same way.

When I'm on a tour of someplace, I want to know where the locked doors, stairways, chutes, holes and passages go. I try every closed door to see if it opens. My sister wants to read every sign, poster or information sheet but will stay on what she thinks is the correct route. My parents just want to finish the tour and find someplace to sit down.

Everyone in my family drinks soda (like most people do). I've never liked it. Coke, Pepsi, Sprite, etc. I don't touch the stuff. It tastes aweful to me.

I've only been in a hospital once as a patient - when I was born. I'm almost never sick, I've never been seriously injured and I don't have any dangerous allergies. Each of the other members of my family has had at least two emergency room visits.

So, kids can very often display very different traits from their parents or other family members. Besides, we haven't necessarity seen the full extent of the kid's powers. He may yet have some of the cobined skills of both Mom and Dad.

On the note of "cool super powers": Now that the show has been renewed with more episodes ordered and an additional season, has the budget gone up for this show? The special effect on this show have been good, but too few and far between. Lost on ABC has some pretty spectacular and believable special effects. Any chance Heroes will get the same with the newly ordered episodes?

I know NBC is trying to save money.


Actually, the freeze of time was pretty poor on this episode. The flame shifts several times when it is supposedly frozen and there is a major shift of the entire scene when the put him in moving close to the car.

The Vegas freeze in the Casino was much better.

You mis-understand - I mean do you think this is her power!?


Nothing really "super" about that power. Most women of a certain age and appearance have the same power. It's called "coming on to a guy," and is guaranteed to keep 90% of said guys with said woman of a certain age and appearance for the better part of the night.

Oh, of course: Super Strength + Walk Through Walls = Make Broken Phone Work

How could I be so stupid? :rolleyes:

~Dan

Old time computer engineers would recognize Mikah's power as the strongest of all powers: The DWIM power

(DWIM stands for: Do what I mean!)

You are thinking narrowly...why assume his power is making broken phones work?

;-)

OK, I've seen my first few episodes over the past few weeks, and I'm really not trying to be a troll by asking this, but why hasn't Marvel sued NBC and/or Kring over this show? It's entertaining but it also strikes me as X-Men: The Beginning, e.g. when "mutants" first appear. I can almost imagine Claire being kidnapped and having adamantine bonded to her skeleton. :D

OK, I've seen my first few episodes over the past few weeks, and I'm really not trying to be a troll by asking this, but why hasn't Marvel sued NBC and/or Kring over this show? It's entertaining but it also strikes me as X-Men: The Beginning, e.g. when "mutants" first appear. I can almost imagine Claire being kidnapped and having adamantine bonded to her skeleton. :D

i've wondered this as well. it's so similar to XMen the Beginning i'd be shocked if a lawsuit and/or settlement wasn't in the works.

oleus

Why couldn't he have his own unique powers?

Both my parents are skilled at math - they actually met working at a bank. I, on the other hand, have no aptitude for numbers. I can't even remember a phone number for more than 5 minutes.

My entire family wore glasses by the 3rd grade. I didn't need them until junior high.

The rest of my family gets vertigo when they approach any height. I'm fearless in that regard - I've clung to the edges of 100 foot cliffs, dangled from multi-story towers built from logs lashed together with rope (while building said tower) and I've leaned through rooftop railings of 50 story or larger buildings.

Computers, for me, are like a natural extension of my body. For the rest of my family, computers are like an uncomfortable pair of shoes.

I can't name more than 3 TV shows (past or present) that I have in common with members of my family. Movies and music are pretty much the same way.

When I'm on a tour of someplace, I want to know where the locked doors, stairways, chutes, holes and passages go. I try every closed door to see if it opens. My sister wants to read every sign, poster or information sheet but will stay on what she thinks is the correct route. My parents just want to finish the tour and find someplace to sit down.

Everyone in my family drinks soda (like most people do). I've never liked it. Coke, Pepsi, Sprite, etc. I don't touch the stuff. It tastes aweful to me.

I've only been in a hospital once as a patient - when I was born. I'm almost never sick, I've never been seriously injured and I don't have any dangerous allergies. Each of the other members of my family has had at least two emergency room visits.

So, kids can very often display very different traits from their parents or other family members. Besides, we haven't necessarity seen the full extent of the kid's powers. He may yet have some of the cobined skills of both Mom and Dad.

Maybe you were adopted and nobody told you. ;)

One thing not commented on (at least I haven't seen) is that these people's superpowers have all suddenly been turned on recently. Was it the solar eclipse that caused it? Or is that a red herring and coincidental (it seems to be prominent in the opening titles of the show). Why all of a sudden do all of these people have these powers?

And if they have only recently been given these powers, Niki's alter ego was around long before the powers started, if she stole from her husband and set him up way in the past.

The creator said it has nothing to do with the solar eclipse and that in a future episode we will learn what really started it.

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Originally Posted by kucharsk
OK, I've seen my first few episodes over the past few weeks, and I'm really not trying to be a troll by asking this, but why hasn't Marvel sued NBC and/or Kring over this show? It's entertaining but it also strikes me as X-Men: The Beginning, e.g. when "mutants" first appear. I can almost imagine Claire being kidnapped and having adamantine bonded to her skeleton.



i've wondered this as well. it's so similar to XMen the Beginning i'd be shocked if a lawsuit and/or settlement wasn't in the works.

oleus

Well, there have been dozens of comics from different companies with similar themes, and Marvel doesn't sue all of them. As a long time X-Men reader, I certainly see similarities between certain powers on Heroes and X-Men, but I seriously don't see anything that could be worthy of a lawsuit. Not to mention Marvel EiC Joe Quesada is a big fan of the show, and Jeph Loeb is a writer at Marvel. If anything, I think the company attempting to get the licsence to do a comic adaptation would be more likely than a lawsuit.

I agree with this too. I think that some of the heroes don't know how to properly access their powers yet.

Niki is one, Issac is another. Peter needed no heroin when at Issac's place to finish a painting, but Issac says he needs to shoot up. I am pretty sure that Issac doesn't need heroin, but right now he doesn't know how to get to that different plane of consciousness by himself.

I suspect there is one person who can help these heroes harness their powers:
Claire's dad, the Professor X type.

As far as maybe Heidi having powers it is a possibility: As DL and Niki show, heroes are drawn together. It might be in their genetic coding to be attracted to other people with genetic variations.

Hell that other kid who filmed Claire could be a hero: ditto that for Claire's brother, who I believe is her blood brother and that she is not adopted at all.

Spoiler alert - It was said that we are going to find out Claire's dad is actually trying to help the heroes by helping them understand their power but he feels they are going to fast and he wants it to go a little slower so he is trying to cause it to happen at a more reasonable pace. They also said that Isaac doesn't need Heroin, that he was using it as an excuse, which is evident that Peter didn't need to use it.

Three random and unrelated thoughts:

1. At one point Claire's mother mentioned that she has never been sick except one bad cold she got as a kid. This lead me to believe that the mutation is related to this and the "cold" turns it on. I could be way off but it seemed to make sense at the time.

2. Did anyone else get the impression that the friendly neighbor that kissed the Indian scientist guy expected her kiss to kind of make him love her?

3. If Radiation man is the source of the nuclear blast in NYC, the following series of events would make sense to me: Peter saves Claire from Sylar and they go to NYC where they try to stop the blast. Radiation man winds up in NYC (somehow). Sylar goes to radiation man to try to take his power - in one timeline her whacks the guys head and everything goes boom; in another timeline Peter with Claire's power fight Sylar and gets the scar he becomes notorious for later.

1. It wasn't really Claire's mother. Her dad revealed at the end of the episode that he hired these people to pretend to be her parents just to make her happy, so what they said really had nothing to do with Claire.

2. She has a power, she can influence other people, not sure if it is by voice only or anyway. When Claire's dad was talking to her on the phone and she said she tried to talk him out of it, Claire's dad said you know you can do better then that. Hinting at her power. Wikipedia has her listed as having the power to influence others.

i've wondered this as well. it's so similar to XMen the Beginning i'd be shocked if a lawsuit and/or settlement wasn't in the works.

oleus

So if anyone says a person has the power to create flame, Marvel can sue them? The characters in the show are not the same, nor are they really all that close. Claire heals, that is it, no super strength, no claws, no tracking ability, no super senses nothing like Wolvering. So just because she can heal herself means Marvel should sue? The guy that had melted everything, actually, it wasn't fire, its reported that it is a form of radiation. If you really think about it, there are not that many similarities and I don't think Marvel would have a chance in a lawsuit, its generic power. Same as saying anyone that has a show with a cop and a gun can sue another show.

1. It wasn't really Claire's mother. Her dad revealed at the end of the episode that he hired these people to pretend to be her parents just to make her happy, so what they said really had nothing to do with Claire.


Argh!! I should have been clearer - her adoptive mother said this not the fake one. When say Claire's mother I mean her adoptive one. I would never consider a biological mother (whether fake or not) as someone's real mother - her adoptive parents are are here mom and dad no matter what.

What I was leading to is that I think the trigger for people getting powers is based on a virus. These people probably all got sick and that turned on the mutation. I guess we will see when they finally reveal how this al "really started".

Old time computer engineers would recognize Mikah's power as the strongest of all powers: The DWIM power

(DWIM stands for: Do what I mean!)

You are thinking narrowly...why assume his power is making broken phones work?

;-)


It's also the equivalent of waving a rubber chicken at it...we used to do that in the Computer Lab back in college when all other troubleshooting failed. You'd be surprised at how often it worked :-)

Maybe you were adopted and nobody told you. ;)

OUCH

"Does anyone think the eclipse has anything to do with any of this? It's the logo of the series after all."
I think it is symbolism that shows that something bright (Heros) are behind something dark (Humanity).
I can't believe how much I look forward to Monday nights. (Everybody Hates Chris, Heros, Studio 60) what a fun night!

Does anyone have any comments/theories on the short double line mark on both the policeman and Radiation Man? There was a quick scene when they showed an identical mark on both, on the nape of their necks. Could it be a mark that Horned Rim Glasses or his 'go deep' buddy put on the mutants after they've studied them? Or have they been there since the mutation occured?

"Does anyone think the eclipse has anything to do with any of this? It's the logo of the series after all."
I think it is symbolism that shows that something bright (Heros) are behind something dark (Humanity).
I can't believe how much I look forward to Monday nights. (Everybody Hates Chris, Heros, Studio 60) what a fun night!

The creator of the show said in an interview it definitely does NOT have anything to do with their powers. It was just an invent that occured.

Does anyone have any comments/theories on the short double line mark on both the policeman and Radiation Man? There was a quick scene when they showed an identical mark on both, on the nape of their necks. Could it be a mark that Horned Rim Glasses or his 'go deep' buddy put on the mutants after they've studied them? Or have they been there since the mutation occured?

They were saying that it is only on the two people that we know of that HRG's took. They were speculating that as your powers developed the symbol became more and more apparant. This appears to be the beginning of their powers. The cop said his powers are acting up lately, which goes back to what I said before. I think Claire's dad is trying to slow down their development so things don't happen to fast, so the symbol is slowly appearing on their backs.

They were saying that it is only on the two people that we know of that HRG's took. They were speculating that as your powers developed the symbol became more and more apparant. This appears to be the beginning of their powers. The cop said his powers are acting up lately, which goes back to what I said before. I think Claire's dad is trying to slow down their development so things don't happen to fast, so the symbol is slowly appearing on their backs.

When did HRG get to the radiation guy?

Why couldn't he have his own unique powers?
Because they are implying that since both parents have a genetically-caused super-power, the offspring would, too.

If Micah genetically inherited his power, it should be the power of one or the other parents, or a blend of both.

To say that Micah has a random power, unrelated to his parents' powers, breaks the whole point of him being the offspring of two people with special powers...

OTOH, it is a fantasy TV show, so I'm good with it... :)

~Dan

New online comic. More info on the Cop.
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_007.shtml

Anyone find it odd that the staple made Claire jump and squeal since she apparently hasn't been able to feel pain? If she was just putting on a show for her little brother, you'd think that she would have covered up the wound quickly so the brother couldn't see it heal.

Question: Does anyone think that Peter's dreams will come into play in the story line? On several occasions Peter has dreamed something that is strongly related to reality. He dreams he can fly. He has a dream with the dying old man, who we find out later had recently died. Does his dreaming have any relationship to his ability to actually absorb the powers from others? Or how about his apparent innocence? Most every character has revealed a flaw or dark side in their personality other than Peter. Hiro may be the exception.

To say that Micah has a random power, unrelated to his parents' powers, breaks the whole point of him being the offspring of two people with special powers...

OTOH, it is a fantasy TV show, so I'm good with it... :)

~Dan

How many offspring superheroes have you studied? Considering this is a 'fiction' show, I don't see where it's hard to believe that because their genes have mutated, that because two blue eyed parents must have a blue eyed child, that the child couldn't have a completely different power. (don't quote me on the blue eyed thing...I can't remember the dominance, etc.). Just tryig to say....it's fiction, I don't think it has to follow the laws of genetics as we know them. Their gentics have mutated, so not sure we can follow our laws.

When did HRG get to the radiation guy?

We don't, but since his symbol is the same, and the cop was abducted, we were leaping to that conculsion that perhaps HRG got to him, that is why it is different.

Because they are implying that since both parents have a genetically-caused super-power, the offspring would, too.

If Micah genetically inherited his power, it should be the power of one or the other parents, or a blend of both.

To say that Micah has a random power, unrelated to his parents' powers, breaks the whole point of him being the offspring of two people with special powers...

OTOH, it is a fantasy TV show, so I'm good with it... :)

~Dan

Nothing has been said that if both your parents are mutants then you have to have a power that is similiar to one of them or a blend. They only said that if they both do then their offspring are likely to have powers. It could be any power, it is just the fact that they will have some kind of power.