When Micah left, Jessica and Nikki weren't talking to each other much yet. So he didn't know.

Did anyone else get the idea that perhaps Syler is able to take on the special abilities from those people he kills? Hence, if he were able to kill the cheerleader, he would become virtually invincible. If he were to kill radiation man, then he could potentially blow up cities. That would explain why he targets those with special abilities.

This has been discussed ad nauseum before. It's why people think Peter may be the only one who can fight him, as he takes on other people's abilities. However, why didn't he heal along with Sylar after they fell? More to the story I think.

Peter was able to use Claire's abilities after she had created some distance between them. I wonder if there is a time factor involved where he can retain their abilities for a set amount of time.

Have we ever seen Sylar do anything that couldn't be done with telekinesis? It's possible that's his one and only power.



He was shot several times and survived, and then flew away (episode with the little girl at FBI Headquarters.

Out of all the people Sylar has killed so far, is the Cheerleader the First one that didn't have special abilities? I guess I'm confused as many of us thought he could 'Sense' those with the abilities, which is how he's found them all this time. ?Then how did he end up with the wrong cheerleader? If he didn't sense it, and know which cheerleader, how did he end up in that state, that town, and that school, then to kill the wrong one? I guess I'm not following this logic.

Other than my confusion on this, best show of the season!


He has the professors list...he read it in his mind and then killed him.

Out of all the people Sylar has killed so far, is the Cheerleader the First one that didn't have special abilities? I guess I'm confused as many of us thought he could 'Sense' those with the abilities, which is how he's found them all this time. ?Then how did he end up with the wrong cheerleader? If he didn't sense it, and know which cheerleader, how did he end up in that state, that town, and that school, then to kill the wrong one? I guess I'm not following this logic.

Other than my confusion on this, best show of the season!My guess is not that he can sense these abilities in others precisely but is led to others the same way we might find them, through stories of their deeds. After all, the dead cheerleader had taken public credit for the rescue, while "our" cheerleader had sought to remain anonymous. Considering the blond hair and cheerleader outfit, we were all led to believe the painting predicted Clair's death; even her own father.

YMMV

I was a bit let down by last night's episode. Peter meeting Claire wasn't exactly bringing "them all together to fulfill their destiny."


Great ep, but I was let down as well. I was hoping for a bit more of a battle between Peter and Sylar. Not a 'fall down go boom' battle :-)

Great ep, but I was let down as well. I was hoping for a bit more of a battle between Peter and Sylar. Not a 'fall down go boom' battle :-)Such an "early" encounter/final battle wouldn't leave much for the rest of the season. We would lose a major subplot.

YMMV

Such an "early" encounter/final battle wouldn't leave much for the rest of the season. We would lose a major subplot.

YMMV

Well I didn't expect them to settle it all in one fight. But one good 'hey, how did you do that?' moment would have been nice. I can wait, but I guess I was expecting more :-(

I was surpised Sylar was captured so 'easily', but hopefully we'll learn more about him now.

Peter was able to use Claire's abilities after she had created some distance between them. I wonder if there is a time factor involved where he can retain their abilities for a set amount of time.

He can only use the power for a short amount of time (like less then a day, maybe a few hours), but it is definitely a short time then it wears off.

Well I didn't expect them to settle it all in one fight. But one good 'hey, how did you do that?' moment would have been nice. I can wait, but I guess I was expecting more :-(

I was surpised Sylar was captured so 'easily', but hopefully we'll learn more about him now.

Why is everyone surprised Sylar went down? He isn't immune to other hero powers, the girl has the power of suggestion, she told him to stop, he did, that is her power, it worked like it was suppose to, not sure where the surprise comes in.

Why is everyone surprised Sylar went down? He isn't immune to other hero powers, the girl has the power of suggestion, she told him to stop, he did, that is her power, it worked like it was suppose to, not sure where the surprise comes in.

He's rolled through every hero he's come against and eaten their bleeping brains. Again, I wasn't surprised he went down, just that he went down with relative ease.

This has been discussed ad nauseum before. It's why people think Peter may be the only one who can fight him, as he takes on other people's abilities. However, why didn't he heal along with Sylar after they fell? More to the story I think.

I think it was because Peter took the brunt of the damage from the fall. The power healed him, thus he woke up, and then had to put his body back in place for it to finish the healing (like Claire does). Plus Sylar appeared to still be limping at the end when he was approaching Edan so he might still of been hurting. Maybe like he landed on Peter or something so the fall didn't hurt him as bad.

Just my opinion, but I think the painting that Isaac painted is of Radiation Man going thermonuclear.

Definitely him, it all makes sense, everything he as done is radiation so that explains the explosion and that picture sure looked like that.

Well I didn't expect them to settle it all in one fight. But one good 'hey, how did you do that?' moment would have been nice. I can wait, but I guess I was expecting more :-(

Well...that's one of the reasons I try to avoid watching previews of the next episode...the episode rarely lives up to the teasers...

I bet the writers hate it when the previews promise something like 'everything will change'...when they know full well they are misleading the audience...I doubt the writers/directors have anything to do with these previews...NBC marketing dept prob to blame here...

I think I've read this somewhere else on the forum...perhaps about LOST and its previews...

That said, I loved the episode and love this show...

Syler certainly seems to have a lot of abilities -- a finger that acts as a laser cutting tool, freeze drying victims, moving at incredible speed, superhuman strength, telekinesis, etc.

Did anyone else get the idea that perhaps Syler is able to take on the special abilities from those people he kills? Hence, if he were able to kill the cheerleader, he would become virtually invincible. If he were to kill radiation man, then he could potentially blow up cities. That would explain why he targets those with special abilities.

Yes, he can asborb the powers of those he kills. I believe this has already been stated and it is listed on various sites as his power/ability.

A couple points...

1) Did the paintings ever ACTUALLY SHOW Claire dying? Because from what I remember, what happened was exactly what was painted. So did they actually change anything, or did they simply fulfill their destinies? I think the latter.


Yes, one of the paintings showed Claire on the steps/bleachers, with the top of her head missing and she is laying in a pool of blood. It is on the episode that Peter comes to Isaac and then takes his power and finishes a painting for him that Isaac couldn't finish. Peter finishes the bottom half.

Great ep, but I was let down as well. I was hoping for a bit more of a battle between Peter and Sylar. Not a 'fall down go boom' battle :-)

Yeah, that I didn't follow too well. Looked like Sylar went for Peter and then they both just fell off the back of that amphitheater wall. Did Peter deliberately throw them both off while Sylar had him by the neck (trying to "sacrifice" himself in order for the fall to hopefully kill Sylar as well)? Did Sylar's momentum as he rushed Peter carry them off the edge? What the heck happened there?

And Peter didn't know about Claire's regenerative power at the time, so he couldn't know that the fall wouldn't kill him. But he seemed to know how to "put himself back together" (I kept waiting for Claire to tell him he'd be okay in a few minutes, but she was frustratingly mute - kinda' thought I was watching LOST there for a minute ;) ).

It almost seems like Sylar is just a "dumb" killing machine, perhaps an experiment gone awry. Since HRG and Eden both knew about Sylar, why didn't they just try to find him and neutralize him before? Seemed pretty easy once they decided to do it.

Yes, one of the paintings showed Claire on the steps/bleachers, with the top of her head missing and she is laying in a pool of blood. It is on the episode that Peter comes to Isaac and then takes his power and finishes a painting for him that Isaac couldn't finish. Peter finishes the bottom half.


True, but I think someone else made the point that the cheerleader in the paintings wasn't Claire, but the other cheerleader.

It almost seems like Sylar is just a "dumb" killing machine, perhaps an experiment gone awry. Since HRG and Eden both knew about Sylar, why didn't they just try to find him and neutralize him before? Seemed pretty easy once they decided to do it.
Seems to me that Sylar, Eden and HRG are in this together.

True, but I think someone else made the point that the cheerleader in the paintings wasn't Claire, but the other cheerleader.

Then it didn't come to pass either because Sylar didn't finish the job, he didn't take the top of her head off and take her brain (because she was telling Claire to run, which I don't think you can do without a brain, he stopped when he saw Claire healing, so either way they did change the paintings.

Seems to me that Sylar, Eden and HRG are in this together.

Yeah, it was like HRG was telling them to bring in Sylar, like they knew him all along or something, it was weird. Hopefully it plays out that HRG does whatever it takes to get the job done.

Yeah, it was like HRG was telling them to bring in Sylar, like they knew him all along or something, it was weird. Hopefully it plays out that HRG does whatever it takes to get the job done.


They do seem to know him... I get the impression Sylar is one of the ones they brought in to study, and something went wrong. Dunno. None of HRG's people seem as if they would go along with Sylar's agenda.

Then it didn't come to pass either because Sylar didn't finish the job, he didn't take the top of her head off and take her brain (because she was telling Claire to run, which I don't think you can do without a brain, he stopped when he saw Claire healing, so either way they did change the paintings.


If he had taken her brain and gained her powers, he could have quickly performed a running roundoff, double Backflip with a tripple Spin and caught Claire, but little did he know the powers he could have gained :D

Who was the black guy at the end with Eden, the one who helped her take Sylar ?? Hasn't everyone thought he was DL ??

p.s. Isn't there something sexy about a blonde (Nikki/Jessica) and a machine gun ? You need a machine gun added in to think that of her ?? :D

You need a machine gun added in to think that of her ?? :D
Actually, you're right. I should have said

What's more sexier than Nikki/Jessica? Nikki/Jessica with a machine gun.

;)

nc

Who was the black guy at the end with Eden, the one who helped her take Sylar ?? Hasn't everyone thought he was DL ??

He's the 'mind zapper' guy that helps HRG kidnap the heroes and learn their powers. He then wipes their memories of the experience.

Who was the black guy at the end with Eden, the one who helped her take Sylar ?? Hasn't everyone thought he was DL ??

That's the Haitian guy that can erase memories.

I just realized, anyone who hasn't been watching this show from the beginning, hasn't really a clue as to what is happening...

So, here's all the reruns!

http://imdb.com/title/tt0813715/tvschedule

Considering the blond hair and cheerleader outfit, we were all led to believe the painting predicted Clair's death; even her own father.

My thoughts exactly. I always thought it was strange, at least in my eyes, that Isaac's painting of the cheerleader reaching out even resembled Claire.

New theory.... NATHAN PETRELLI is Sylar.

Think about it...
1. Similar build/stature (I'd love to see a screencap from the end of lastnight's episode. I thought it even looked like Petrelli).
2. Both can fly (FBI HQ episode)
3. We have no reason to think that Nathan doesn't have powers that he hasn't "advertised"
4. Nathan tried to destroy the painting
5. He's comfortable with his super powers. Notice that he flew to catch his brother, and wasn't freaked out about it. Also, he flew to get away from HRG, and certainly seemed to know what he was doing, as he zipped around.
6. He's a politician... naturally a bad guy... plus the mob connection makes him a shady character.
7. Perhaps that explains why he ran instead of staying to finish off Peter/Claire. He was freaked out to see that his brother was actually there.
8. Nathan lives in NYC, as does Sylar (we saw his old "apartment")

So, does this show always run long by a few secs or so? Missed the last few secs.

So, does this show always run long by a few secs or so? Missed the last few secs.

Yes... and NBC doesn't advertise that it does so. I set my TiVO to always record 5min over on this show. Other shows run over, but the TiVo automatically picks it up.

Unfortunately, she has spoilers mixed throughout the article instead of the end, so I'll just post her recap. If you want the spoilers you can go to the actual article Here (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=abab4c8c-0c2c-4604-9eeb-189f840281aa)


Here’s what we learned…

Peter and Sylar are formidable opponents, given that they have more or less the same power: The ability to steal or borrow powers from others. Clearly, in my mind, this is all leading up to a Peter/Sylar bad-ass battle for the world at the end of the season (which I just might need some adult diapers in order to watch).

Eden, aka Stinkerbell (so named by Dr. Anna Graham for her mole-ish demeanor), is far more powerful than anyone would’ve expected, no? Who would have thought the unassuming Pixie would have the power to take down the big Sycho himself? Boo-yah! (Sidenote, Milo Ventimiglia tells me Eden’s power of persuasion is actually the power he’d choose for himself. "That’s the one that could best serve the world," he says. "You could walk into a foreign country and end a war.")

Sylar is now in the captivity of H.R.G. (Horn Rimmed Glasses, aka Claire’s father), along with Senor Nuclear Explosivo (radioactive Ted), and something tells me this will be significant, since Sylar’s plan is to blow up Manhattan and all.

Now, the fun stuff! Thanks to a few recent interviews with the cast members (drool, sigh, bow down to worship and adore), I can tell you that here’s what lies ahead…

New theory.... NATHAN PETRELLI is Sylar.


No way. Nathan would never try to kill Peter.

What's more sexier than Nikki/Jessica? Nikki/Jessica with a machine gun.

Actually, it looked more like a high powered single-shot sniper rifle, but who's counting. ;)

New theory.... NATHAN PETRELLI is Sylar.

Think about it...
1. Similar build/stature (I'd love to see a screencap from the end of lastnight's episode. I thought it even looked like Petrelli).
2. Both can fly (FBI HQ episode)
3. We have no reason to think that Nathan doesn't have powers that he hasn't "advertised"
4. Nathan tried to destroy the painting
5. He's comfortable with his super powers. Notice that he flew to catch his brother, and wasn't freaked out about it. Also, he flew to get away from HRG, and certainly seemed to know what he was doing, as he zipped around.
6. He's a politician... naturally a bad guy... plus the mob connection makes him a shady character.
7. Perhaps that explains why he ran instead of staying to finish off Peter/Claire. He was freaked out to see that his brother was actually there.
8. Nathan lives in NYC, as does Sylar (we saw his old "apartment")

They already announced an actor that will play Sylar, and in this episode we've seen pictures of his face, it definitely is not Nathan.

It's funny, but I thought the brief shot of the face sort of reminded me of Mohinder. Just the shot of his eye when in the locker room made me think of him. Looking at the screencaps though, I didn't see the same resemblance. Later tonight I'll post some screenshots if someone else hasn't already.

So, does this show always run long by a few secs or so? Missed the last few secs.

The show usually goes an extra minute. NBC's schedule showed this for last night and also shows it going to 10:01 next week so you might want to check your recording times for next week.

See this schedule. (http://www.nbc.com/Schedule/schedule_day-20061120.shtml)

Pompom and Circumstance

On ''Heroes,'' the long-awaited ''Save the cheerleader'' episode ends in a tie; plus, Mohinder finally decides whether he wants to quit or not
by Gilbert Cruz

That's it?

Seriously?

I feel duped. I feel had, took, hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray. I have been digging the show as much as y'all have the past few weeks and have been looking forward to this episode for just as long. You know, ''Save the cheerleader, save the world.'' But — and don't lie to yourself, you agree — this was a letdown.

Why was it a letdown? Possibly because the potentially awesome showdown between Peter and Sylar (whose face we finally got to kinda see, so everyone put aside those theories that Hiro/Peter/Eden/H.R.G. is actually the villain) turned out to be slasher-movie-level stupid. I'm talking 'bout Sylar not really chasing the people he was trying to kill but instead standing still and then walking very slowly, à la Michael Myers. Was his heart not in it? I'm talking 'bout Sylar throwing locker doors at Peter, and the latter running away like a scared rabbit. And I'm talking 'bout the pair actually grappling for only a hot second before slamming hard onto the Texas pavement.

And that was it.

Okay. We are only nine episodes into a brand-new show. Maybe my expectations were too high. I don't blame myself, however. Don't blame yourselves either. Blame NBC. Their marketing people are very good. Which sorta makes them very bad.

Tell you what, though: I was not sad to see Jackie the cheerleader die (though she did have one of the night's best lines — ''Public schools suck''). I mean, that character was not played with any subtlety whatsoever. She was a grade-A beeyotch, and if Sylar hadn't offed her, I would have reached through my 17-inch television screen and sliced her dome off myself.

So, Peter got arrested and Sylar got away — almost. Eden, dressed like an extra from The Matrix Revolutions, used her Jedi mind trick to slow him down, and then the Haitian put him to sleep. As it turned out, our show's powerful bad guy is much like any other guy: He can get knocked on his ass by a pretty girl whispering sweet nothings to him. But is H.R.G.'s paper factory strong enough to hold a super villain?

In addition to the cheerleader plotline, chapter 9, titled ''Homecoming,'' gave us a bit of almost everyone (except for Matt Parkman, poor Matt Parkman), but it focused on Mohinder again to an almost excruciating degree. Okay, we got it. He was at a crossroads. He had to figure out whether to follow in his father's footsteps or not. There was a message on his computer screen that read, ''Do you want to quit or not?'' It's all as subtle as that bizatch of a cheerleader. But if I were Mohinder and I had finally come across a freaky kid who had been invading my dreams and that kid played coy by telling me, ''You already have the answer you seek,'' I would have punted his soccer ball over the wall. And then the inevitable came, as Mohinder finally decided that no, he wasn't going to quit and found his father's list of people with special powers. And it's a long list, kids. This show could potentially go on forever.

But things might not last too much longer for D.L., because Jessica is pissed. She's so pissed that she went out and bought a pretty awesome rifle to take her husband out. I'm feeling sorta blah about Niki and her family's story line. I don't think I'm the only one. Maybe it's the fact that the show is called Heroes, and I don't want to follow someone who is not clearly either good or bad. Simplistic? Yes. So what?

What do you think? Were you as disappointed with this episode as I was? What is up with Isaac's new painting of that Human Torch-looking thing? Is Jessica's bullet going to kill D.L. or pass through his body? Are the Texas cops going to put a hurting on Yankee boy Peter? And are you all looking forward to next week's episode, when lots of major questions will supposedly be answered?

I kept waiting for Claire to tell him he'd be okay in a few minutes, but she was frustratingly mute - kinda' thought I was watching LOST there for a minute ;) ).


Why would she? She knows little of other people with other powers. She would not guess Peter had the "power borrower" power; she assumed Peter was like herself and was about to say so but then thought better of it and let it go as if she was only willing to trust a stranger "so far". Considering how little she knows I would say it was well played by her. Now as to why Peter was so comfortable with the power is another question. He popped those joints back into place like he had done it a bunch of times in the past. I am trying to remember if he watched Claire do it but will have to go back and watch it over.

As for Hiro:

Charlie is just drawn to him. Every time she meets him she just seems to like him right off. She beckons him over to be in the photo with her after meeting him for a few seconds EVEN after he says he is there to save her life (who would not think he is a wacko). I like Charlie; I hope she does get saved in the end but I fear she helps Hiro over the 6 months they know each other and then Hiro can't save her.

The show usually goes an extra minute. NBC's schedule showed this for last night and also shows it going to 10:01 next week so you might want to check your recording times for next week.

See this schedule. (http://www.nbc.com/Schedule/schedule_day-20061120.shtml)

Agreed. My recording is 1:01 so the listing is correct.

What do you think? Were you as disappointed with this episode as I was? What is up with Isaac's new painting of that Human Torch-looking thing? Is Jessica's bullet going to kill D.L. or pass through his body? Are the Texas cops going to put a hurting on Yankee boy Peter? And are you all looking forward to next week's episode, when lots of major questions will supposedly be answered?

I don't watch "coming attractions" ever - on any show - so if this is where you are getting all these "supposedlies" than stop watching the previews. They are NOT going to wrap up the entire show in one episode. You are only going to get so much per hour (44 minute) long show. I even expect we MAY need to wait til season 2 show 1 to resolve the current "save the world" crisis.

I don't watch "coming attractions" ever - on any show - so if this is where you are getting all these "supposedlies" than stop watching the previews. They are NOT going to wrap up the entire show in one episode. You are only going to get so much per hour (44 minute) long show. I even expect we MAY need to wait til season 2 show 1 to resolve the current "save the world" crisis.


Just to clarify, that was a posted article from ew.com, not my commentary.

Actually, it looked more like a high powered single-shot sniper rifle, but who's counting. ;)

Ok, I should have said...

What's more sexier than Nikki/Jessica? Nikki/Jessica with an high powered single-shot sniper rifle.

(Alright, so I beat this one into the pavement ... lol)

nc

:)

I always watch the previews - until this past episode of Heroes. Heroes seems to do the impossible - more happens on the previews than in the show itself.

This episode was supposed to finally bring all of them together and we'd find out "the meaning of Save the Cheeleader, Save the world" .... what exactly did we find out about that phrase? Even when Peter asked Claire "Did I save the world?", she said, "Duh...I dunno". So apparently the mystery behind the phrase "Save the Cheeleader" was that they need to try and save the cheerleader.

If they are promising "many answers" next episode, it's probably to questions nobody is asking. ;)

Just to clarify, that was a posted article from ew.com, not my commentary.

Thanks. I did miss that.

I always watch the previews

You should stop doing that. Those things will rot your brain! (leaving little for Syler) :)

Who is this?

http://imdb.com/name/nm0703820/

Is it Niki's friend, the one that babysits Micah every now and then?

I am starting to believe that "Save the cheerleader, Save the world" does not mean that if you save the cheerleader, you save the world. I am starting to believe that they are two separate things.

However, we may see, at the end of this season, why saving the cheerleader actually saved the world. Just to repeat the idea originally introduced earlier in this thread, Claire is most likely going to have some influence on radiation man later.

Here's a question I have: If Peter takes on the powers of someone around him, can he take on multiple powers if there are more than one around him at the same time?

I always watch the previews - until this past episode of Heroes. Heroes seems to do the impossible - more happens on the previews than in the show itself.

This episode was supposed to finally bring all of them together and we'd find out "the meaning of Save the Cheeleader, Save the world" .... what exactly did we find out about that phrase? Even when Peter asked Claire "Did I save the world?", she said, "Duh...I dunno". So apparently the mystery behind the phrase "Save the Cheeleader" was that they need to try and save the cheerleader.

If they are promising "many answers" next episode, it's probably to questions nobody is asking. ;)

Another thing about the previews, they show previews that are weeks in advance, in the first episode they actually showed the scene where Nathan Petrelli escaped from HRG and the Haitian dude, it was just the lift off part, they also showed Claire running up those steps early on, possibly in the previews after the pilot ep.

Jessica's rifle's caliber seems larger than a typical 7.62 sniper rifle,I'm guessing it's one of those .338 Lapua type rifles,also that rifle had a large muzzle brake,generally 7.62 rifles don't have those.

New theory.... NATHAN PETRELLI is Sylar.

Think about it...
1. Similar build/stature (I'd love to see a screencap from the end of lastnight's episode. I thought it even looked like Petrelli).
2. Both can fly (FBI HQ episode)
3. We have no reason to think that Nathan doesn't have powers that he hasn't "advertised"
4. Nathan tried to destroy the painting
5. He's comfortable with his super powers. Notice that he flew to catch his brother, and wasn't freaked out about it. Also, he flew to get away from HRG, and certainly seemed to know what he was doing, as he zipped around.
6. He's a politician... naturally a bad guy... plus the mob connection makes him a shady character.
7. Perhaps that explains why he ran instead of staying to finish off Peter/Claire. He was freaked out to see that his brother was actually there.
8. Nathan lives in NYC, as does Sylar (we saw his old "apartment")

Nope... I went back and looked at the video in slow-motion with VLC and it's not him.

I don't watch "coming attractions" ever - on any show - so if this is where you are getting all these "supposedlies" than stop watching the previews. They are NOT going to wrap up the entire show in one episode. You are only going to get so much per hour (44 minute) long show. I even expect we MAY need to wait til season 2 show 1 to resolve the current "save the world" crisis.

Actually last night's show was just shy of 36 minutes.

Actually last night's show was just shy of 36 minutes.

I'm sure you meant 46 minutes, didn't you?

That's the exact gun featured on Discovery channel's Dangerous Weapons series. Very new, with some special kickback. If she hit him, he's gone unless he can let objects pass through him.

She would not guess Peter had the "power borrower" power;

Actually, he told her this exact thing. That he sort of absorbs other people's powers, so she would know he absorbs powers, thus she should of said something to him when he was lying there on the ground all busted up. It would of been perfect. My wife and I turned and said the same thing, why didn't she tell him he will be alright, trust me, or something, she was directly told he absorbs powers.

Actually, he told her this exact thing. That he sort of absorbs other people's powers, so she would know he absorbs powers, thus she should of said something to him when he was lying there on the ground all busted up. It would of been perfect. My wife and I turned and said the same thing, why didn't she tell him he will be alright, trust me, or something, she was directly told he absorbs powers.

He told Ando this, not her.

Jessica's rifle's caliber seems larger than a typical 7.62 sniper rifle,I'm guessing it's one of those .338 Lapua type rifles,also that rifle had a large muzzle brake,generally 7.62 rifles don't have those.
Wasn't it as helluva lot heavier than she made it out to be? It looked like she would have not been able to even hold it up!

nc

That's the exact gun featured on Discovery channel's Dangerous Weapons series. Very new, with some special kickback. If she hit him, he's gone unless he can let objects pass through him.
Yeah, it would be helpful for him if he had that power... ;)

~Dan

Actually, he told her this exact thing. That he sort of absorbs other people's powers, so she would know he absorbs powers, thus she should of said something to him when he was lying there on the ground all busted up. It would of been perfect. My wife and I turned and said the same thing, why didn't she tell him he will be alright, trust me, or something, she was directly told he absorbs powers.

I don't think Claire had any idea that Peter has powers of any kind, let alone the same as hers. As far as i can remember, Claire has never met anyone else with powers.

And Peter doesn't know for sure that Claire has any powers either, though he might suspect she does since he's at least aware that others have powers too (Nathan, Hiro, etc.) and that she's at least "important" enough to somehow "save the world."

No one's mentioned it yet, but by far the most "heroic" thing of the episode was Peter risking his life to save Claire - someone he's never even met - even though he was pretty sure it would lead to his own death. Bravo!

Here's your Sylar.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0704270/

I'm sure you meant 46 minutes, didn't you?

Nope... 36 minutes and 45 seconds of content.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2002/heroesaj2.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroesaj2.jpg)

she's at least "important" enough to somehow "save the world."


Since it's far in the future Hiro that comes back to warn Peter, it's possible that we won't know for quite some time.


No one's mentioned it yet, but by far the most "heroic" thing of the episode was Peter risking his life to save Claire - someone he's never even met - even though he was pretty sure it would lead to his own death. Bravo!

Very true...it took guts.

He told Ando this, not her.

Really? :confused: Man, I could of sworn it was her. But your probably right.

If this is the case, while Peter's powers are cool, his are the worse because he never knows when he absorbs something or not. Like he could of had Syler's powers, but it doesn't do much good if you don't even know you have them.

Ramdon thoughts...

I am still not convinced that Sylar is absorbing other's abilities by eating brains. With telekinesis, we can explain most of the things. Slowing bullets (or deflecting them). Throw himself up. Tear the skulls. The freezing of the heads is a bit tricky, but he could have moved the ice. I mean if he could tear the skulls in precision like that he could probably apply ice in precision just the same. The fall with Peter is also tricky. Maybe Sylar has more than one power to begin with.

Peter and Nathan... I am beginning to think that it would be a great storyline to have them stand on the opposites. Peter is a "hero" in a sense that he still followed his "destiny" despite knowing his demise. Nathan seems to care only for himself. Two brothers, one a hero, the other a villain. I think this would work.

I agree Peter will get introduced to Matt. Also, I think Nathan will come to Peter's rescue again since I doubt Mr. Bennett is willing to let Claire testify for Peter.

So Hiro did go back 6 months in time. He seems to have changed the timeline where Ando is because the older waitress seems to know who Hiro is. However, it seems something still happens to Charlie because in front of the picture wall, there seems to be a shrine for Charlie. The old waitress told Ando that Hiro split a few weeks ago, so something must have happened to Charlie then. Maybe Hiro went back further to fix that too. :p Anyway, it seems Charlie will definitely have her demise.

I like how they are planning for the next few episodes. Hiro goes back 6 months, and they will be able to tell the stories of what happened for the past 6 months to each character.

About the paintings. I agree that the painting of the slain cheerleader is indeed that of Jackie in hindsight. I don't think anything really changes. The pictures that Isaac drew will guide the actions of the characters, but they do not change anything. The scenes of the paintings will happen, but what happens between those scenes are completely up for grabs.

As for Jessica's assassination attempt of DL... We will see how fast DL can dematerialize the bullet, after the past stories unfold (what a teaser).

Hong.

No one's mentioned it yet, but by far the most "heroic" thing of the episode was Peter risking his life to save Claire - someone he's never even met - even though he was pretty sure it would lead to his own death. Bravo!
True, and I second the Bravo! for Peter.

He learned of his mission from Future-Hiro, who also made a comment about him looking different without the scar, so that may have given Peter the feeling that he would somehow live, to meet Hiro sometime in the future. Not a safe bet, however, since by saving the cheerleader, he might have be altering the future and negating the chance of his ever meeting Hiro...

~Dan

Wasn't it as helluva lot heavier than she made it out to be? It looked like she would have not been able to even hold it up!

nc
I think those type of rifles are usually around 15 lbs or so,she could carry it one handed the relatively short distance back to the van. :)

Peter and Nathan... I am beginning to think that it would be a great storyline to have them stand on the opposites. Peter is a "hero" in a sense that he still followed his "destiny" despite knowing his demise. Nathan seems to care only for himself. Two brothers, one a hero, the other a villain. I think this would work.
I thought Nathan was being an evil a**hole when he covered the painting in black paint. But, when I saw the photo, showing Peter dead, it's quite clear he did it to save his brother.

Nathan's a slimy-politician jerk, but he's on the side of Good.

~Dan

Nope... 36 minutes and 45 seconds of content.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2002/heroesaj2.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heroesaj2.jpg)

I come up different, I cut out the recap at the start of the show, and cut out all the previews at the end and this is what I ended up with. Also, in your snapshot from hdtv2mpeg2 it only shows 54 min and 56 seconds total, what happened to the other 6 minutes.

Really? :confused: Man, I could of sworn it was her. But your probably right.

If this is the case, while Peter's powers are cool, his are the worse because he never knows when he absorbs something or not. Like he could of had Syler's powers, but it doesn't do much good if you don't even know you have them.

He didn't have time to tell her...'oh my god' 'ahhhh!' 'get help!' 'run!' was the best they had time to do. But she did see with her own eyes that he was healing like her. Let's hope she convinces Daddy to help get him off the hook.

i get close to what rebkell gets. but generally i don't trust's HDTVtoMPEG2 times. i usually get different times compared to when i actually cut the ads.

i get close to what rebkell gets. but generally i don't trust's HDTVtoMPEG2 times. i usually get different times compared to when i actually cut the ads.

Ditto, on not trusting the times, but I'm pretty confident there was more than 40 minutes of heroes, after the commercials were removed.

41 to 42 minutes is the normal amount of time per one hour scripted show. The extra few minutes added to some shows are almost always 100% commercials.

Odd...indeed. I just cut some CSI episodes I need to watch. They also appear at 36-37 minute shows. I never paid attention until then... I just make sure the exclude and include markers are in the right spot. ;) I also cut out the stupid recap in the beginning. It seems someone in the family will be halfway paying attention and see the recap and be a idiot and say "Didn't we see this already?" Same thing on "Grey's Anatomy"... LOL. So I just cut the recaps now.

This episode was supposed to finally bring all of them together and we'd find out "the meaning of Save the Cheeleader, Save the world" .... what exactly did we find out about that phrase? Even when Peter asked Claire "Did I save the world?", she said, "Duh...I dunno". So apparently the mystery behind the phrase "Save the Cheeleader" was that they need to try and save the cheerleader.


I think the "Save the cheerlader. Save the world. is not really a logical progression. In other words, I don't think it is suppose to mean literally if you save the cheerleader then you save the world. I think it is more like a series of events that must be done - first save the cheerleader, second save the world. I expect the next few episode to build up to the save the world part.

Of course one thing does bother me - strictly speaking, Peter did not save the cheerleader last night - Jackie (poor poor Jackie) still bought it! :)

Edit: I see ckenisell already beat to this conclusion - man you people post fast and furious ;)

Odd...indeed. I just cut some CSI episodes I need to watch. They also appear at 36-37 minute shows. I never paid attention until then... I just make sure the exclude and include markers are in the right spot. ;) I also cut out the stupid recap in the beginning. It seems someone in the family will be halfway paying attention and see the recap and be a idiot and say "Didn't we see this already?" Same thing on "Grey's Anatomy"... LOL. So I just cut the recaps now.

I don't know why and I have no logical reason behind it, but it may be related to the 4400 MB Clip size you have set. Is that a good setting for burning the clips off to a single layer DVD?

I still think it is STCSTW. At least for Peter. Someone else may have to "save the politician .. save the world" (frightening thought!) but I belive Claire WILL be needed at some final event. She may only be the first one. As for Siler being unbeatable - Bennet had no such thought. He told Eden take him out as if he had not the slightest doubt she had that ability.


SILER

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN

After all, the dead cheerleader had taken public credit for the rescue, while "our" cheerleader had sought to remain anonymous. Considering the blond hair and cheerleader outfit, we were all led to believe the painting predicted Clair's death; even her own father.She set her self up for that. Which is why I suggested a while back that Sylar could possibly mistake her for Claire. Someone else said, 'he senses the powers of people endowed with such'. That doesn't make much sense because he bypassed Hiro (in the diner); unless Memory-Girl's presence overshadowed his.

I don't know why and I have no logical reason behind it, but it may be related to the 4400 MB Clip size you have set. Is that a good setting for burning the clips off to a single layer DVD?

I'm thinking it is because of the VBR nulls in the MyHD app when it records. It just throws off the HDTV2MPEG program.

And the answer is no... I just set it to 4400 when I was playing a lot of stuff with standard windows apps and not the MyHD app. If I want to keep something I usually use the 100meg method with some PARS to boot, then burn it.

She set her self up for that. Which is why I suggested a while back that Sylar could possibly mistake her for Claire. Someone else said, 'he senses the powers of people endowed with such'. That doesn't make much sense because he bypassed Hiro (in the diner); unless Memory-Girl's presence overshadowed his.


Granted she was a jerk...but she didn't do anything to 'set her self' up for murder at the hands of a power stealing mutant. lol

There is a lot we don't really know, maybe in some future Clair does die and Syler gets her powers and they can no longer stop him.


I think the "Save the cheerlader. Save the world. is not really a logical progression. In other words, I don't think it is suppose to mean literally if you save the cheerleader then you save the world. I think it is more like a series of events that must be done - first save the cheerleader, second save the world. I expect the next few episode to build up to the save the world part.

Of course one thing does bother me - strictly speaking, Peter did not save the cheerleader last night - Jackie (poor poor Jackie) still bought it! :)

Edit: I see ckenisell already beat to this conclusion - man you people post fast and furious ;)

Granted she was a jerk...but she didn't do anything to 'set her self' up for murder at the hands of a power stealing mutant. lol

Yeah, that would have been hard to predict.

I'm thinking it is because of the VBR nulls in the MyHD app when it records. It just throws off the HDTV2MPEG program.

And the answer is no... I just set it to 4400 when I was playing a lot of stuff with standard windows apps and not the MyHD app. If I want to keep something I usually use the 100meg method with some PARS to boot, then burn it.

Thanks, I may start doing that, I've never made pars before, I've used a few ;) . I've been trying to figure out a good way to archive, that should work great, pars to recover any bad or missing files, that would be great, it would take two 4.7G DVDs for a show, but it was hit and miss on whether a 1 hour show would fit on 1 anyway.

Odd...indeed. I just cut some CSI episodes I need to watch. They also appear at 36-37 minute shows. I never paid attention until then... I just make sure the exclude and include markers are in the right spot. ;) I also cut out the stupid recap in the beginning. It seems someone in the family will be halfway paying attention and see the recap and be a idiot and say "Didn't we see this already?" Same thing on "Grey's Anatomy"... LOL. So I just cut the recaps now.

I've found the HDTV2MPEG2 reports too short a time length pretty consistently. I've been using VideoRedo, just get the occasional glitch.

"Homecoming was 43:09 from the start of the recap to the Universal LOGO at the end. If you cut off the recap and the credits (from the "Heroes" on the globe to the "To Be Continued") it was 41:30, And that cut will fit on a single DVD (originally recorded with a MyHD MDP-130, edited with VideoReDo)

I save the recaps and credits on a seperate disk for completness but the MyHD can play an episode from the disk.

2 things:

They may well have "saved the world" by "saving the cheerleader" since they caught Sylar there at the end.

A poster above commented on how similar Sylar looked to Mohinder (the closeup revealed dark eyeliner around the eyes...a look common with people of Indian ethnicitys). My wife actually pointed this out last night and posited the theory that Sylar is related to Mohinder in some way, even going so far as saying he was Mohinder's brother. But, could he (she) be his long lost sister? Sylar is a fairly foreign sounding name afterall.

2 things:

They may well have "saved the world" by "saving the cheerleader" since they caught Sylar there at the end.

A poster above commented on how similar Sylar looked to Mohinder (the closeup revealed dark eyeliner around the eyes...a look common with people of Indian ethnicitys). My wife actually pointed this out last night and posited the theory that Sylar is related to Mohinder in some way, even going so far as saying he was Mohinder's brother. But, could he (she) be his long lost sister? Sylar is a fairly foreign sounding name afterall.

The actor portraying Sylar has already been announced, and he is a male. Unless they did something really wonky like transferring Shanti's consciousness into another body and renaming her Sylar, I'm not sure the "sister" theory pans out.

The "brother" theory is interesting, but also pretty farfetched - hopefully some more backstory tidbits will be doled out to us in the next episode.

Ramdon thoughts...

I am still not convinced that Sylar is absorbing other's abilities by eating brains. With telekinesis, we can explain most of the things. Slowing bullets (or deflecting them). Throw himself up. Tear the skulls. The freezing of the heads is a bit tricky, but he could have moved the ice. I mean if he could tear the skulls in precision like that he could probably apply ice in precision just the same. The fall with Peter is also tricky. Maybe Sylar has more than one power to begin with.

Peter and Nathan... I am beginning to think that it would be a great storyline to have them stand on the opposites. Peter is a "hero" in a sense that he still followed his "destiny" despite knowing his demise. Nathan seems to care only for himself. Two brothers, one a hero, the other a villain. I think this would work.

Could be right, I think though there has to be another reason why he goes after the brain and eats them (well, they are gone at least). Where do they go, if he does eat them, why? There has to be something else to why he is doing it the way he is doing it.


About the paintings. I agree that the painting of the slain cheerleader is indeed that of Jackie in hindsight. I don't think anything really changes. The pictures that Isaac drew will guide the actions of the characters, but they do not change anything. The scenes of the paintings will happen, but what happens between those scenes are completely up for grabs.

But the brain of that cheerleader was not removed, as was depicted in the painting. The painting clearly showed the brain gone and the top of the head gone. Since he stopped early, I think the painting was changed. Might be minor but I think it points out that what Isaac paints doesn't have to come to pass.

I think the "Save the cheerlader. Save the world. is not really a logical progression. In other words, I don't think it is suppose to mean literally if you save the cheerleader then you save the world. I think it is more like a series of events that must be done - first save the cheerleader, second save the world. I expect the next few episode to build up to the save the world part.

Of course one thing does bother me - strictly speaking, Peter did not save the cheerleader last night - Jackie (poor poor Jackie) still bought it! :)

Edit: I see ckenisell already beat to this conclusion - man you people post fast and furious ;)

Why didn't Peter save the cheerleader? He threw himself and Sylar off the edge which stopped him, and made Claire go to the stadium which prevented Sylar from getting her.

I think the save the cheerleader part is that if they save the cheerleader then she is key to saving the world. Maybe she is the only one that can end up saving everyone from the explosion or something and if she were to die, then in the end the explosion, or whatever happens.

Why didn't Peter save the cheerleader? He threw himself and Sylar off the edge which stopped him, and made Claire go to the stadium which prevented Sylar from getting her.

I think the save the cheerleader part is that if they save the cheerleader then she is key to saving the world. Maybe she is the only one that can end up saving everyone from the explosion or something and if she were to die, then in the end the explosion, or whatever happens.

She does not need to be THE key. She may only be A key but the first one that was "at risk".

As for Siler: if you look at the screen caps in my earlier post you could well believe he is related to Mohinder. He also resembles the kid. I originally suspected mohinder's nay=saying friend but there is little resemblance there. In the end he may just end up being someone else we have not met. If you looked at that list there are a LOT of special people out there.

Good, interesting posts above...

I thought the theory that Sylar is Chanti is a bit far-fetched...but she is going to play a role in this somehow methinks...

Now, if Sylar *is* the little soccer-playing Indian kid...at least in some sort of "projection"...maybe he is playing Mohinder into continuing his father's work...for the sole reason that it identifies individuals for Sylar to target?

She does not need to be THE key. She may only be A key but the first one that was "at risk".

As for Siler: if you look at the screen caps in my earlier post you could well believe he is related to Mohinder. He also resembles the kid. I originally suspected mohinder's nay=saying friend but there is little resemblance there. In the end he may just end up being someone else we have not met. If you looked at that list there are a LOT of special people out there.

Of course she doesn't NEED to be the key, it is only a theory, no one knows how they will make this play out in the end.

Of course she doesn't NEED to be the key, it is only a theory, no one knows how they will make this play out in the end.


I'm going to have to trust future Hiro on this...if he says saving her saves the world then we'll just have to wait and see how. Never argue with a man carrying a sword :-)

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But the brain of that cheerleader was not removed, as was depicted in the painting. The painting clearly showed the brain gone and the top of the head gone. Since he stopped early, I think the painting was changed. Might be minor but I think it points out that what Isaac paints doesn't have to come to pass.

Well, but that is the basis of time travel stories. Things in the present have to catch up to the timeline, so, yes it would be interesting to see if the painting has "corrected" itself, or remains a testament to what would have occured.

Was just thinking, they can go anywhere with the storyline of this show. With Hiro gone back in time to 6 months ago, they can do backstories on the present cast that we know of, especially the politician guy to show when he devolped or discovered his powers, or even earlier Claire, before she started filming herself. They could show us the stories of the people that Sylar already killed, how they developed their powers, to end with how he killed them. Or even focus on Sylar himself along with Mohinder's dad. Just random thoughts.

Did anyone else who watched it via D* on channel 82 (NY DNS feed) see a horizontal band of discoloration at the top of the screen. It is about two inches on my 50" plasma. I've checked other programs and its not the panel, its definitely the show.

Yes, purple/green depending on the shot. I noticed this during last week's SNL on D* 82 NY as well.

Was just thinking, they can go anywhere with the storyline of this show. With Hiro gone back in time to 6 months ago, they can do backstories on the present cast that we know of, especially the politician guy to show when he devolped or discovered his powers, or even earlier Claire, before she started filming herself. They could show us the stories of the people that Sylar already killed, how they developed their powers, to end with how he killed them. Or even focus on Sylar himself along with Mohinder's dad. Just random thoughts.

Make sure you watch next week's episode. ;)

Yeah, that would have been hard to predict.Hard to predict? We already knew she was a thunder-stealing jerk by claiming to be the cheerleader who rescued dude from the fire. What I did was predict that Sylar may unintentionally slay her thinking she was Claire.

Hard to predict? We already knew she was a thunder-stealing jerk by claiming to be the cheerleader who rescued dude from the fire. What I did was predict that Sylar may unintentionally slay her thinking she was Claire.

He was referring to OPs statement that the cheerleader 'set herself up' for her death. Doubtful she could have known that taking the credit for Claire's heroics would result in her head being sawed in two by a psychopathic mutant.

Okay.....I should have said unknowingly set her self up, as I doubt she wanted to be beheaded or hollowed-out.

Hard to predict? We already knew she was a thunder-stealing jerk by claiming to be the cheerleader who rescued dude from the fire. What I did was predict that Sylar may unintentionally slay her thinking she was Claire.

Hard for HER (the bitchy cheerleader) to predict!

edit: Oh, someone already explained.

Jessica's rifle's caliber seems larger than a typical 7.62 sniper rifle,I'm guessing it's one of those .338 Lapua type rifles,also that rifle had a large muzzle brake,generally 7.62 rifles don't have those.

nah...

i really didnt see a good enough side shot of her rifle, but it might be ACCURACY INTERNATIONAL's rifle, from the stock design.

they do come with muzzle brakes, especially the .338s.

http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/AW.html#asm338

2 weeks ago, for FOX's STANDOFF, in the episode where they also had a sniper, he (the older brother) used a AI rifle too. nice HD side shots of it.

suprised the heck out of me. normally, tv shows would just use a standard remington 700 (like the younger brother did in STANDOFF), but i guess someone wanted to show off... lol...



EDIT: oops... not an AI rifle but a BLASER LRS2 model:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/blaser_lrs2_lev1.jpg

but it costs as much as AI... on sale for $4k... lol... without optics.... ;) she bought it off that dude with optics, for "2 large"... got a heck of a deal.

best thing about it from the scene, is how there was NO RECOIL at all, when she shot the last 2 shots... must be those magical muzzle brakes...

of course she's less than 100 yards from target and she's a lousy shot... like most high end tacti-cool rifles guarantee 1/2" groups at 100 yards.

the overall largeness of the rifle,and that muzzle brake threw me,I thought for sure it was a more powerful round than .308.Also they make this rifle in 5.56,surprising they would chamber it for such a puny round.
http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&productid=66

pretty clear pic,if anyone cares. :D
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7808/aliriflepx4.jpg

2 thoughts:

First, Jessica/Nikki's superpower is super strength, at least. Hefting any gun shouldn't be an issue, even a minigun.

Next, save the cheerleader save the world, IMO, refers to the fact that they KNEW where Sylar would be, and when. Happened to be at the cheerleader's demise, so that's where the saying comes from. If the paintings had shown him killing Nikki, for instance, it would have been save the porn queen save the world. Or save the politician save the world if it was Nathan. If they don't catch him (and neither HRG/dad nor FBI was able to find him except for the paintings), then in a few days he is in NYC and attempts to kill radiation man, blowing up the city, setting off some sort of nuclear war. (and that mistakenly, he doesn't appear to be all that bright, just a killer) By catching him and preventing his attack on the guy, they saved the world. -- At least that's the most logical with what we know. Could be way off base, of course.

that is a really clear pic you got roger, very nice. Camera? TV?

2 thoughts:

First, Jessica/Nikki's superpower is super strength, at least. Hefting any gun shouldn't be an issue, even a minigun.

Next, save the cheerleader save the world, IMO, refers to the fact that they KNEW where Sylar would be, and when. Happened to be at the cheerleader's demise, so that's where the saying comes from. If the paintings had shown him killing Nikki, for instance, it would have been save the porn queen save the world. Or save the politician save the world if it was Nathan. If they don't catch him (and neither HRG/dad nor FBI was able to find him except for the paintings), then in a few days he is in NYC and attempts to kill radiation man, blowing up the city, setting off some sort of nuclear war. (and that mistakenly, he doesn't appear to be all that bright, just a killer) By catching him and preventing his attack on the guy, they saved the world. -- At least that's the most logical with what we know. Could be way off base, of course.
Spiky, I disagree, I think the paintings have nothing to do with the phrase. I think she (the cheerleader) has everything to do with saving the world. I think part one is she will help stop the explosion. That is still in line to happen. As someone pointed out already, The last drawing probably was radiation man going nuclear. She needs to be there to stop him plus I think as do others here. Explosion is just begining of a darker evil to be found later. I don't think capturing Sylar is the save the world part at all.
Happy Thanksgiving all!!! Hope you all ate well.

that is a really clear pic you got roger, very nice. Camera? TV?
I got that from the heroes-tv site,a lot of shows have fans that will usually cap almost every frame of an episode,lol.

wow, three days with no post, there must have been a lot of people on Vacation last week. less than 5 hours till the last new episode of the year. Is it going to be a total flashback and last week was the cliffhanger that is suppose to tide us over until January? I really hope we get the cliffhanger today, but we will know at 10:01.

Where we last left off, Peter mister copy a superhero was being arrested for the murder of the cheeleader. Daddy mcnasty was finding out the powers his daugther has, which he already knew she had. Hiro is still back in time saving and apparently hitting(go Hiro) ms waitress prettiness. Ando is on his thousandth cup of coffee at the same diner for a couple of days. And Daddy no wall can hold me, used his power and the bullet flew right through him and took off before she shot again. (At least that is What I think happened, there is no way she missed him with that canon) I don't think she would aim at the car and shot with out a good shot. Suspended Po Po was enroute to find remians of Explosion man of NOV 08. Lets hope we will continue with the up hill good episodes.

This is the 2nd to last episode for the year. This episode deals with Hiro going back in time 6 months, and what happend to eveyone else 6 months ago.

Next week 7/4 deals with what happend after Home Coming.

wow, three days with no post, there must have been a lot of people on Vacation last week. less than 5 hours till the last new episode of the year. Is it going to be a total flashback and last week was the cliffhanger that is suppose to tide us over until January? I really hope we get the cliffhanger today, but we will know at 10:01.

Where we last left off, Peter mister copy a superhero was being arrested for the murder of the cheeleader. Daddy mcnasty was finding out the powers his daugther has, which he already knew she had. Hiro is still back in time saving and apparently hitting(go Hiro) ms waitress prettiness. Ando is on his thousandth cup of coffee at the same diner for a couple of days. And Daddy no wall can hold me, used his power and the bullet flew right through him and took off before she shot again. (At least that is What I think happened, there is no way she missed him with that canon) I don't think she would aim at the car and shot with out a good shot. Suspended Po Po was enroute to find remians of Explosion man of NOV 08. Lets hope we will continue with the up hill good episodes.

There is a new episode next week.

There is a new episode next week.
you guys make me so happy!!! I thought the last week of sweeps would be the last show till Jan 22nd so now I have one more newbie before the break. I read it here and other places that the last week was this week. At least we will find out what happens to everyone before the break.

GREAT SCOTT!

Hiro is now Doc Brown. Awesome.

Very interesting episode. Very interesting scenes with Sylar.

i damn near choked to death when he said great scott

Thank goodness. A time travel episode where it is clear that the past cannot be changed!

Overall, a good episode and next week looks really good.

So Nikki/Jessica has a multiple personality disorder?

^^^ has to be more than that, she is freakishly strong to just have a disorder.

I liked Sylar's backstory/origins. I really didn't realize who he was until he invited Tele-kinesis Man over (I caught a clue when I saw that upsidedown watch). I also liked how they wrapped up why Hiro didn't exactly immediately return to the present.

^^^ has to be more than that, she is freakishly strong to just have a disorder.

Oh, for sure. Any votes for more than just adrenalin? Demonic possession?

i damn near choked to death when he said great scott


I had to play it back a few times (with subtitles) to be sure he really said it!

i dont really get the whole sylar part, did i miss something? how did he take the guys power to move stuff?

Next week is the last episode before the break. Let the dead pool begin. . .

Thank goodness. A time travel episode where it is clear that the past cannot be changed!

Things did change in the past. Not the least of which may be Charlie not being killed by Syler.

Oh, for sure. Any votes for more than just adrenalin? Demonic possession?

Well...just as Isaac 'the painter' Mendez relies on the drugs to release his 'inner hero', Niki 'Jessica' Sanders relies on her psychosis to release hers...

My guess is that as Isaac realizes his talents as he gives up the drugs, we shall see Nikki overcome her psychosis to fully realize hers...

Meanwhile...what exactly is Sylar's power now? He seemed to take to wet-work rather easy for an amateur murderer....

...and...

How does Hiro's heartache play a part of forming the man Hiro is destined to become....

Nevermind...to much Smallville on the brain...

i dont really get the whole sylar part, did i miss something? how did he take the guys power to move stuff?

They have not shown that yet but he takes their brains out so use your imagination.

great episode...i love how they humanized Sylar and how he isn't some masked evil bad-guy now...you actually kind of feel like he's a regular old guy...

Heroes is great, sad to see it go on break

i love how they humanized Sylar and how he isn't some masked evil bad-guy now...you actually kind of feel like he's a regular old guy...

:eek:

Remind me to stay away from your neighborhood!

Sylar's power... he is somehow absorbing other people's power by killing them and taking their brains. What he's doing with the brains is unclear... eating them? Who knows.

kill them, eat the brains, absorb their power. Just like the Aztecs used to do with human hearts.

Although if he does something else with the brains that's more creative, that would be more in keeping with the show.

Mmmm...brains! Munch, munch, munch...

Off hand, I can't think of anything more creative to do with someone's brain, and gain power from it. Cannibalism has always been about absorbing the "life force" of your adversary--well, ritualistic cannibalism, not the Donner party type of cannibalism.

I was kind of fearing a "backstory" episode, but this was a very good episode. Very informative. Too bad about Charlie, she seemed like a very good person.

I liked the way Nathan found out he could fly. No control over his power at all that time.

~Dan

Oh, for sure. Any votes for more than just adrenalin? Demonic possession?

Since the entire show postulates a world where interesting humans can have super powers I don't think the usual stretched explanations are needed. ;)

But the show also has a lot of hung up super heroes that only have access to their powers under drugs, strong emotion, etc. so it is possible only Jessica can access those powers (for now).

- Tom

Thank goodness. A time travel episode where it is clear that the past cannot be changed!

Overall, a good episode and next week looks really good.

So Nikki/Jessica has a multiple personality disorder?

But if he can travel to the future, as we have seen, then does that mean he can't change the "present" either? By traveling to the future, the question is what exactly is the past and what can't be changed.

As alluded to above, do we really know he can't change the past?

We don't know at this point whether Sylar still killed Charlies in the current time line; I wouldn't put it past the writers to reveal that Charlie did die, but it was her aneurysm that killed her this time around. She's dead either way, but it's possible she wasn't murdered in the current timeline.

The bigger question is why he couldn't teleport from his company's exercise field in Japan (not just not back to Charlie, but apparently not anywhere.) Strong emotions clouding his abilities?

As alluded to above, do we really know he can't change the past?

We don't know at this point whether Sylar still killed Charlies in the current time line; I wouldn't put it past the writers to reveal that Charlie did die, but it was her aneurysm that killed her this time around. She's dead either way, but it's possible she wasn't murdered in the current timeline.

The bigger question is why he couldn't teleport from his company's exercise field in Japan (not just not back to Charlie, but apparently not anywhere.) Strong emotions clouding his abilities?

On second thought, and after reading other comments, it is probably true that Hiro did change things in the past. Charlie most likely died as the result of the aneurysm instead of being killed by Sylar, however, Hiro made those last days for her more pleasant than they would have been.

Part of Sylar's ability seems to be understanding how something works as soon as he gets a look at the inner mechanism, somehow this translates into him being able to understand (and aquire) a person's superpower by looking at their 'inner workings'--namely, their brain! God I love the gore factor on this show!!
It's just a matter of time until someone complains about the gore and violence though, and maybe ruins it for all of us.

kill them, eat the brains, absorb their power. Just like the Aztecs used to do with human hearts.

Although if he does something else with the brains that's more creative, that would be more in keeping with the show.

Well, there is that whole freezing thing. Apparently to Sylar iced brains are better than the usual stir-fry that Hannibal Lecter prefers. :eek:

No discussion on the immunity that Claire's Dad has to Eden's powers? Supposition that he may be immune to mental powers?

He would almost have to be in order to pursue/apprehend the Haitian that was already on his team...assuming that's what happened there too.

This show keeps surprising me. I was expecting a boring flashback episode and this one was one of the best of the season. Well done, there is some serious talent behind the scenes here.

No discussion on the immunity that Claire's Dad has to Eden's powers? Supposition that he may be immune to mental powers?

Um, I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the Haitian dude. Remember that he was able to block the cop's mental abilities. He's probably protecting HRG against her mind control abilities.

As a side note, I had no idea Eden was Bene Gesserit-trained! Pretty effective use of The Voice. :D

The bigger question is why he couldn't teleport from his company's exercise field in Japan (not just not back to Charlie, but apparently not anywhere.) Strong emotions clouding his abilities?

Perhaps he can't teleport to someplace he's already been, or already is? Though they weren't clear on how he returned from Japan -- did he manage to teleport somewhere, since he told Ando he took the bus? Or did he end up back in Japan recently in the past, and had to take trains, planes and automobiles to return to Texas?

As a side note, I had no idea Eden was Bene Gesserit-trained!

Bwah! :D

I think the Haitian must have some type of blocking abilities

Thank goodness. A time travel episode where it is clear that the past cannot be changed!

Overall, a good episode and next week looks really good.

So Nikki/Jessica has a multiple personality disorder?


I think Jessica is the personality (sister) she created to protect herself from the pain her father inflicted upon her. That's why Nikki doesn't remember why her dad feels so guilty.

It was nice to see Jessica beat him down and send him packing.

^^^ has to be more than that, she is freakishly strong to just have a disorder.

I think the strength is a recent phenomenon, just like all the others. But Jessica seems to be able to tap into it when she needs it. Nikki isn't aware of it, because she's only used it when she's Jessica? Dunno. Hopefully we'll learn more soon.

Great ep

i dont really get the whole sylar part, did i miss something? how did he take the guys power to move stuff?

As others have stated he's definitely eating their brains. It's Mohinder's father's fault. He suggested that if we had a soul, it would be in the brain. He's eating their 'souls' and taking their powers.

yuck

The bigger question is why he couldn't teleport from his company's exercise field in Japan (not just not back to Charlie, but apparently not anywhere.) Strong emotions clouding his abilities?


He mentioned to Ando that his power was bigger than himself. Implying that the rules of time and space can be bent but not broken? She was going to die, he could not save her. He learned the hard way that some things are meant to be and he can't change them however he likes.

I'm not sure I agree with others that have stated that Sylar didn't get her this time around. Why else would Ando still be waiting for Hiro at the cafe. Hiro wouldn't have had a reason to go back in the first place.

I think what Hiro changed was Charlie's outlook on life. She was able to enjoy life and not be afraid of death as much.

I wonder how they'll handle the 'paradox' of Hiro walking into the Diner with Ando...or did that no longer happen? If so, does Ando remember the same timeline as Hiro? Apparently he does, given their conversation.

Um, I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the Haitian dude. Remember that he was able to block the cop's mental abilities. He's probably protecting HRG against her mind control abilities.

As a side note, I had no idea Eden was Bene Gesserit-trained! Pretty effective use of The Voice. :D


Break out the family Atomics!

One thing I don't get....

Nathan Petrelli KNOWS that it was the mobsters boys who caused his wife's paralysis....but he's still doing business with him? To the tune of $4million?

There's more to that story/relationship...

I found it amusing (despite the tragedy of his wife's injuries) that when faced with Fight or Flight he literally (and purely instinctively) chose Flight :-)

Hiro can change the past. When they first entered the diner, Charlie didn't know Hiro, but now she did meet him in the past. I can't recall, but didn't they show the picture that Hiro was in previously with only Charlie in it? Perhaps something like death cannot be changed though.

I think Jessica is the personality (sister) she created to protect herself from the pain her father inflicted upon her. That's why Nikki doesn't remember why her dad feels so guilty.


No, Jessica was real; we saw her gravesite. They were identical twins, and the father "caused" her death.

I wonder if Nikki had no special powers, but Jessica did and figured it out at a very, very early age (she was only 11 when she died), and somehow...she transfered herself into the recesses of Nikki's psyche.

I'm pretty sure Nikki and Jessica were twins as well...

Also, my wife and I want to change the name of our cat now....he's been named Siler (same pronunciation, slightly different spelling) for 4 years now...he won't mind...the cat's deaf, lol. Sylar is a twisted individual...does he kill out of jealousy or a misguided way to 'fix' individuals like he does with watches...

I don't think Sylar eats the brains of his victims. I think his ability is somewhat similar to Micah's...he sees how things work, specifically in human brains instead of electronics (which seems to be Micah's ability)...and he can 'fix' his brain by matching it to his victims. Though, his 'fix' doesn't help out the person he's working on, sine they die. But, from that episode it seems that Sylar is a bit psychotic (aren't all bad guys) who feels that these 'special' people aren't worthy of their powers. Or, he's applying that first guys thoughts to all his potential victims...he didn't want the power/gift...so he (sylar) assumes no one else wants it either.


I really liked this episode too, showing when each of these heroes first begins to discover their powers...

Hiro could of changed the past (but I don't think so). We don't know what the shrine was for that we saw after Hiro left, it could of just been that she died from the tumor in her brain and not Sylar. There seemed to be little activity into the death of her by the police, the place seemed calm. Ando was waiting for him to come back because he said to wait, that is why he didn't go with Peter, he said he had to wait for Hiro. I personally think Hiro didn't change anything, but this is an explanation, that perhaps he changed the way she died, but that she still had to die to fullfill destiny, etc. I guess we will know if Sylar suddenly has perfect memory now.

Um, I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the Haitian dude. Remember that he was able to block the cop's mental abilities. He's probably protecting HRG against her mind control abilities.

As a side note, I had no idea Eden was Bene Gesserit-trained! Pretty effective use of The Voice. :D

I think everyone has the Haitian dude wrong. I don't thing he can block a Heroe's powers, I think his power is also mind oriented. So people that have powers related to the mind he can block or something. Because the cop had mind powers, and so does the girl, I think that is the only reason why the Haitian can do that.

Remember, when they had Nathan, HRG told the Haitian to take him down, he started to but Nathan flew away. If he could block powers Nathan couldn't fly.

Also, it might be that Claire's dad has a power, maybe his power is that no mind powers work on him or he has a mental power to block his mind, etc. or that no hero power works on him.

No, Jessica was real; we saw her gravesite. They were identical twins, and the father "caused" her death.

Yes but I think Nikki 'became' Jessica as a survival mechanism.

Unless Jessica transferred consciousness at death over to Nikki and they share the same body. Creepy.

If so, which power belonged to which? Was Jessica's gift the ability to shift consciousness and Nikki has the strength but is unaware of it?

EDIT: looks like someone beat me to the punch.

Ando was waiting for him to come back because he said to wait, that is why he didn't go with Peter, he said he had to wait for Hiro.


yes, but if Charlie died of a tumor, why would Hiro have gone back in the first place?

Thank goodness. A time travel episode where it is clear that the past cannot be changed!

Overall, a good episode and next week looks really good.

So Nikki/Jessica has a multiple personality disorder?
I will put my 3 cents to all the POST from peter's post #1617 and anyone that followed.

1st issue:
I still think Hiro can change the past. It just hasn't caught up to them yet. Just think of it this way the explosion was suppose to happen on Nov 8. There were blocks destroyed before Hiro left. So there is a time line that was happening and people did die. However he teleported to save his ass but plans to prevent that future from happening. It is along the same line of him going back in time. He has her going on the bus which will make her miss her death time line with Sylar, It was obvious despite her Aneurysm she still was alive when the time line had her in the diner for the Sylar confrontation, plus there was no indication that the Aneurysm was inoperable . So what I am thinking is Hiro and Ando need to go back to the time line he created by meeting her. A la "back to the future". He made a tangent in the time line by meeting her 6 months earlier. If they go back to the same time line he created she will be in the middle of her trip to Japan. Maybe even able to get the surgery there for the her boo boo in the head. In others words when he decides to go back to Japan because he wants to learn his powers better, he teleports them back and they end up in Japan when she is and they will meet up again. Like they showed he has problems with his powers but he has made it to where he wanted to go. He was on the roof of his office which was proven by the guy asking "where is Ando you guys were on vacation in NYC." Then he made it back to the diner, there was the shrine in the background but I think they didn't zoom in because that time line could've been changed already.
OK, so I have 2 theories for How he DID save her from the head crunch.

2nd issue:
It seems to me that they are making Nikki a possession more then a split personality. Jessica went to good ole dad's apartment and told him that she had to protect Nikki because she was blocking out the memories of what he use to do to both of them. I know it is suppose to be a Genetic thing. But it seems like they open many doors what Nikki was going through. She definitely is a good seed and a bad see separated. Maybe they were twins and the father killed her which lead them to become one, Wonder twins activate!!! Does she lose this ability when she gets her kid back and is free from all her troubles? I don't think so, because danger can be ahead on every curve of the road of life.

3rd issue:
I can't believe no one has been talking about mr petrelli. He left his wife to die. This is why he has so much guilt. He took off and then played it off that he was thrown from the car. I know he is an slimy lawyer and soon to be politician. He was ready to name names and back out to pressure by the same mobsters that are trying to buy him an election win. Plus Peter showed that he had other powers then just "the Mimic" He had a dream of the whole car crash. Before he was just seeing images of flying never anything that showed what will or is happening at the time he dreaming it. Not that that dream thing will help if they are only in the future.

4th issue:
One episode left :confused: :( . This is a good thing thing. Remember these breaks or mini vacation are the best thing the networks have done since showing 13 wk seasons for some shows. We don't have to endure the re-run blues. Which has been happening for thirty years ever since they went to a 35 week season and the stars have dictated a 22-24 episode season. I think we are use to the re-run blues but some shows are just that good that when you see 2 new, four rerun, 1 new, 5 rerun, 4 new, 1 run, etc. It does ruin a momentum of a series and messes with our psyche .

5th issue:
Haitian man, How did daddy dearest ever capture him? :confused: He is a powerful genetic person. He can fight any power by blocking the mind. You can not react with out thinking first. So his blocking can almost stop anybody once he gets in there. Do we think he and daddy have had a prior relationship? What about Eden she was a bad gen freak, she used her power for the good of Eden. But you would think she would have a cleaner police record considering how easy it was to get out of the tickets from Po Po read mines.

6th issue:
Last but not least. Sylar. He was little bit off from the begining and Shresh just brought the bad out of him once he knew he could have powers. But I am with you guys. How the hell is he getting every ones power? Maybe he was a mimic also so as long as he has the brains close to him he can pull power from them. Maybe he does eat them and absorbs and keeps the powers before nature runs it's corse. I tell you guys, he was a little scary before he was the bad ass we have seen now. I still can't believe he was taken down so easy by to gen types. Like they have said if it wasn't from the paintings they would never have had the chance to get him because he is like a ghost and doesn't leave trails.

This was a very good flashback episode. I was on the edge with you guys. I didn't expect much and this episode put me at the edge of the bed with anticipation waiting for the commercials to be over.
Well that is all, let the debates begin. See if people share my thoughts or down right disagree.

I think in the 'new' future...Charlie died of her brain annurysm, not by Sylar. She initially died by Sylar, if I remember...people talked about her head being cut open and such...

The 'future' now has people being too calm about her death to make me think that she was murdered in some way.

Also, I think Hiro is suffering from what Peter Parker did...he's doubting himself now...so he can't use his powers because he doesn't believe (deep down inside) that it will do him any good.

3rd issue:
I can't believe no one has been talking about mr petrelli. He left his wife to die. This is why he has so much guilt. He took off and then played it off that he was thrown from the car. I know he is an slimy lawyer and soon to be politician. He was ready to name names and back out to pressure by the same mobsters that are trying to buy him an election win. Plus Peter showed that he had other powers then just "the Mimic" He had a dream of the whole car crash. Before he was just seeing images of flying never anything that showed what will or is happening at the time he dreaming it. Not that that dream thing will help if they are only in the future.


I don't think Nathan Petrelli left his wife to die on purpose. 6 months ago is when these individuals 'discovered' their powers in 'inauspicious' ways. The cop here's his wife say he's her hero, jessica comes out to play, micah takes the computer apart (pretty damn quickly I might add), Sylar finally learns what his 'gift' is, Peter has a dream...

Most of these have come when there's an extreme emotion, depression for the cop, stressfulness for nikki, pure joy from micah, though peter was just sleeping...weird... Nathan's was terror and the fear of his life...it doesn't seem he 'made' himself fly like he did when he was getting away from HRG and the Haitian, but more of an 'whoa, holy crap...what's going on' moment.

I dont' think he abandoned his wife at all...that just happened to be the moment when his power revealed itself...at the most inopportune time...

3rd issue:
I can't believe no one has been talking about mr petrelli. He left his wife to die. This is why he has so much guilt. He took off and then played it off that he was thrown from the car. I know he is an slimy lawyer and soon to be politician. He was ready to name names and back out to pressure by the same mobsters that are trying to buy him an election win. Plus Peter showed that he had other powers then just "the Mimic" He had a dream of the whole car crash. Before he was just seeing images of flying never anything that showed what will or is happening at the time he dreaming it. Not that that dream thing will help if they are only in the future.


Here's a thought...when Peter had those dreams...car crash, him flying, Simone's father, etc...maybe he was just mimicing another power of someone close to him that isn't aware they have this power yet...the question is who? (Simone maybe?)

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but did anyone notice that Sylar looks a little too much like Clark Kent to be a coincidence?;)

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but did anyone notice that Sylar looks a little too much like Clark Kent to be a coincidence?;)

sylar was on 24. i think season 3. milo, was it?

No, Jessica was real; we saw her gravesite. They were identical twins, and the father "caused" her death.I am not yet convinced that Nikki and Jessica are 2 different people. If Nikki had a psychic break because of her father's behavior, part of the coping mechanism might have been to create the alternate personality of Jessica. Part of the healing process might have included "burying" Jessica so that Nikki could move forward with her life with her past now buried.

YMMV

Just read this...the reviewer touches on many of the things people have said here, and a few others.

FROM EW.COM:

The Evolutionary War

''Heroes'' flashes back six months to explain how the good guys and bad guys became who they are, and why Hiro couldn't save Charlie

by Gilbert Cruz

I'm constantly impressed by how much information is crammed into an hour of Heroes. Unlike Lost, which restricts itself to focusing on developing one or two characters per night, Heroes goes all out. (I'm not fond of comparing the two shows, but there are few other series that have such large casts and such an enormous amount of character information to impart.)

Sure, there are episodes where we only get a glimpse of certain heroes (it's usually Matt who gets the shaft), and there have definitely been episodes that feel stretched as thin as drum skin (such as the last one), but this one, titled ''Six Months Ago,'' was pretty dense. We saw a bit of everyone save Isaac, but most important, we got a backstory on Sylar, who looks remarkably like a walking Clark Kent costume. (It almost feels as if the show's creators were shooting for a through-the-looking-glass Superman.)

Our supervillain, the man who Mohinder once said was his father's ''patient zero,'' turns out to have been Gabriel Gray, a simple man frustrated with his predictable life and looking to be something more. ''I wanted to be different. Special. I wanted to change. A new name, a new life. The watchmaker's son...became a watchmaker.'' Who can't understand that sense of entrapment, of living out a life that already seems sketched out for you in advance? So when Chandra Suresh mistakenly pegged Gabriel as having powers and then dismissed him as normal, the man flipped out, took his new name from a watch face, and — as far as I can tell — started to eat people's brains.

And although the actual scene where Sylar killed his first victim was punctuated by an overheated, 1940s-radio-ish exclamation (''It is in the brain....I can fix it. It's an evolutionary imperative!''), it was thrilling to see the moment when he turned. The Gabriel-Chandra subplot was my favorite part of the night because it crystallized something that's been in the back of my mind for a while about Heroes — this odd push-pull between science and God, evolution and the idea of a creator.

Think back to one of the first scenes of the very first episode, with Mohinder teaching a class, talking about God and evolution and the theory that man uses only one-tenth of his brain power, and then look at Chandra saying, ''If the soul exists, scientifically speaking, it exists in the brain.'' Then consider that Gabriel just happens to be a watchmaker. (Richard Dawkins' book on evolution, The Blind Watchmaker, takes its title from a pre-Darwin analogy that states that the existence of a watch, as complex as it is, presupposes a watchmaker. Therefore, since humans are far more complex, there had to be someone who created them.) Throw in the fact that Sylar seems to be full of a very Christian sort of guilt — recall Mohinder uncovering that weird room full of crosses and ''I have sinned'' graffiti — and it's clear there is a subtle, complicated conversation going on in this show.

Of course, it's all about evolution, with these powers being activated in a certain part of the brain. And one feature that species have evolved to ensure their survival is the fight-or-flight response — an instinct that takes hold most explicitly in the stories of Nathan and Niki. Let's dispense with Niki first, and quickly, because I still find her story the least interesting. It's probably because I'm still not sure what her power actually is. When Niki's formerly abusive father showed up, the persona of her dead sister, Jessica, kicked in, allowing Niki to kick paternal ass. Is this an evolutionary response, this channeling of dead people? It all seems a little too supernatural to me, too much out of tune with the rest of the show.

It's a little easier now to see why Nathan is so dismissive of his flying abilities, for on account of them he abandoned his wife seconds before their car was rammed by Linderman's people into a highway divider — again, fight or flight. Well, he definitely flew, and his wife is paralyzed because of it. I wonder if she remembers seeing his empty seat right before the accident. Does she have any idea what her husband can do?

Finally, let's talk about Hiro, our tragic Hiro, who couldn't save his Charlie. Not that he didn't try, not that he didn't go back six months in time, take a job as a busboy in some small Texas town, win her over with a beautiful origami crane display, and then give her a ticket to Japan. That was all for naught, because she would have died anyway from a brain aneurysm. Or as Hiro put it, ''I teleported. Forward. Backward. But I couldn't save her....This power...it's bigger than me. I can't change the past.'' For all the assumptions one makes about how powerful these abilities — and specifically Hiro's — would make your average Joe, they still have limitations.

For proof of that, we need only look to Mohinder's closing narration: ''These people, their future is written on their DNA. Just, as the past, it seems, is written in stone. Was the die cast from the very beginning? Or is it in our own hands to alter the course of destiny? Of all our abilities, it is free will that truly makes us unique. With it, we have a tiny but potent chance to deny fate. And only with it can we find our way back to being human.''

I leave this episode wondering who is in control of all of this, if anyone. Does God exist in the world of Heroes, and is he pulling the strings? Sylar couldn't escape capture, Hiro couldn't save his gal, and Peter and Claire couldn't deviate from their destined-to-cross paths. Does their free will matter at all?

What do you think? Were H.R.G. and Chandra working in different ways toward the same end? Could anyone get powers by eating certain parts of the brain (or doing whatever it is Sylar does)? And judging from the previews for next week, which hero is going to die?

I think in the 'new' future...Charlie died of her brain annurysm, not by Sylar. She initially died by Sylar, if I remember...people talked about her head being cut open and such...

The 'future' now has people being too calm about her death to make me think that she was murdered in some way.

Also, I think Hiro is suffering from what Peter Parker did...he's doubting himself now...so he can't use his powers because he doesn't believe (deep down inside) that it will do him any good.

I hear what you are saying but think of it. In the time line she died a day or 2 days ago. She was living it up all happy and still being a waitress. I know an aneurysm can take you out without notice. Why in the new time line does she die earlier? That is why I can't believe the Aneurysm does her in. I really think she got on the bus to the airport after she dumped him. She will be in Japan.

sylar was on 24. i think season 3. milo, was it?

Not even close. For a refresher, the character of Milo is returning to '24' this season.

I don't think Nathan Petrelli left his wife to die on purpose. 6 months ago is when these individuals 'discovered' their powers in 'inauspicious' ways. The cop here's his wife say he's her hero, jessica comes out to play, micah takes the computer apart (pretty damn quickly I might add), Sylar finally learns what his 'gift' is, Peter has a dream...

Most of these have come when there's an extreme emotion, depression for the cop, stressfulness for nikki, pure joy from micah, though peter was just sleeping...weird... Nathan's was terror and the fear of his life...it doesn't seem he 'made' himself fly like he did when he was getting away from HRG and the Haitian, but more of an 'whoa, holy crap...what's going on' moment.

I dont' think he abandoned his wife at all...that just happened to be the moment when his power revealed itself...at the most inopportune time...

But remeber in the episode that Peter found out his brother could fly Nathan told him that he has know for awhile. Do you think it only took him 6 months to master a take off and and Sonic boom? He even landed good considering he had no shoes. I doubt a person would be able to fly that easy and that fast in such a short time. Think of Spidey when it travels from web to web, he isn't exactly graceful. You are right Peter was just boring. A dream, ha!

Iteki, did I write that? a bunch of my points were right there with the writer of the article. It was a good article though. Long but I am use to that.

Hiro speaking to himself on the phone was interesting...

yes, but if Charlie died of a tumor, why would Hiro have gone back in the first place?

She didn't initially die of the tumor. So Hiro went back, remember, it is one time line (they tried to show us this by Hiro talking to himself). So Hiro teleported when she died, slightly changed things, and continued on in this new time line, unable to teleport back (or fear of it) so he took a bus, train, etc.

I also think she died a little earlier then at the restaurant because there was already a shrine there with her picture after Hiro left, right behind Ando, they couldn't of set it all up that fast, she had to of died before the restaurant attack. Also notice how calm it is and no one has questioned Ando (like they said they were going to).

In addition, Hiro did change the future, a little, because there is now a picture of him with her at her birthday, wouldn't of been there if he didn't go back.

Ando has his own superpower - super colon! How many gallons of coffee did he consume and how will this defeat Sylar?

Iteki, did I write that? a bunch of my points were right there with the writer of the article. It was a good article though. Long but I am use to that.

I know what you mean, he even used the phrase fight or flight, which I posted earlier, before I read the EW recap.

Seems most of us Heroes watchers are on the same page, at least in general.

Timelines not withstanding :-)

Regarding that long post above with the numbers:

I don't think the Haitian was taken by HRG or anything, maybe they just agreed to work together. Also, I don't think he can block a Hero's power, he couldn't block Nathan from taking off and flying away, even though he was prepared (he was told to go ahead and take em down). His power is definitely mind oriented (he can wipe memories), but I don't think it is blocking the powers. Since his power is mind oriented, he probably is just immune to that effect or something. Also remeber, when they had Matt tied down, HRG said that he wouldn't be able to use his powers or something like that because of the man standing there. But Matt proved them wrong by reading thier mind, and it caused HRG to say that he was farther along then they thought. So the Haitian couldn't block it then either. Its a different kind of power.

She didn't initially die of the tumor. So Hiro went back, remember, it is one time line (they tried to show us this by Hiro talking to himself). So Hiro teleported when she died, slightly changed things, and continued on in this new time line, unable to teleport back (or fear of it) so he took a bus, train, etc.

I also think she died a little earlier then at the restaurant because there was already a shrine there with her picture after Hiro left, right behind Ando, they couldn't of set it all up that fast, she had to of died before the restaurant attack. Also notice how calm it is and no one has questioned Ando (like they said they were going to).

In addition, Hiro did change the future, a little, because there is now a picture of him with her at her birthday, wouldn't of been there if he didn't go back.

yes, but Ando shouldn't remember the original timeline, should he?

Greato Scotto!

Regarding that long post above with the numbers:

I don't think the Haitian was taken by HRG or anything, maybe they just agreed to work together. Also, I don't think he can block a Hero's power, he couldn't block Nathan from taking off and flying away, even though he was prepared (he was told to go ahead and take em down). His power is definitely mind oriented (he can wipe memories), but I don't think it is blocking the powers. Since his power is mind oriented, he probably is just immune to that effect or something. Also remeber, when they had Matt tied down, HRG said that he wouldn't be able to use his powers or something like that because of the man standing there. But Matt proved them wrong by reading thier mind, and it caused HRG to say that he was farther along then they thought. So the Haitian couldn't block it then either. Its a different kind of power.
I was the post with all the numbers, but Haitian man must be able to block something. Why do you think Sylar is not able to escape? Haitian man is on gaurd. I think Nathan was able to escape before haiti's powers were able to knock him out or erase the memory of seeing them. Even Matt's power was to strong which is why HRG said, you are more developed then we thought. Plus if they were suppose to erase (clean out)the meeting he had with them. Why was Matt able to remeber so fast?

Sylar - I'll agree with the other posts that he looks to "fix" the peoples brains which would allow him to "fix" his own to mimic theirs. Just like a watch's inner workings, he has to crack open the skull to get a look at the mechanics inside.
Remember, before he killed Telekenisis guy, he said something along the lines of "You're broken inside, let me fix it". Just like he did with Suresh's watch.

Nathan - I can see why now he views his power as more of a curse and wants to surpress it. It manifisted itself at an inopportune time, pulling him out of the car. I'm pretty sure he feels guilty for allowing the car to crash and paralyze his wife. He seemed a little more "family oriented" before the crash. Affectionate to his brother and wife. A good DA wanting to go after the bad guys. The manifistation of his powers and the subsequent crash seemed to change that.

yes, but Ando shouldn't remember the original timeline, should he?

He only remember's certain pieces of it that Hiro didn't change. That Hiro left to save this girl. In the previous episode, Ando looked really confused at certain points, like looking at the girl photo, maybe they were trying to show us that he changed to, just slightly.

I was the post with all the numbers, but Haitian man must be able to block something. Why do you think Sylar is not able to escape? Haitian man is on gaurd. I think Nathan was able to escape before haiti's powers were able to knock him out or erase the memory of seeing them. Even Matt's power was to strong which is why HRG said, you are more developed then we thought. Plus if they were suppose to erase (clean out)the meeting he had with them. Why was Matt able to remeber so fast?

No, Sylar was knocked out by the girl. She told him he didn't want to do this, and he stopped. She then told him to sleep, and he started to. Haitian man just held him while he collapsed.

More online comics

More on Eden (not sure if this one was posted yet) - http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_009.shtml

Female FBI agent hunting Sylar - http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_010.shtml

Sylar - I'll agree with the other posts that he looks to "fix" the peoples brains which would allow him to "fix" his own to mimic theirs. Just like a watch's inner workings, he has to crack open the skull to get a look at the mechanics inside.
Remember, before he killed Telekenisis guy, he said something along the lines of "You're broken inside, let me fix it". Just like he did with Suresh's watch.

Nathan - I can see why now he views his power as more of a curse and wants to surpress it. It manifisted itself at an inopportune time, pulling him out of the car. I'm pretty sure he feels guilty for allowing the car to crash and paralyze his wife. He seemed a little more "family oriented" before the crash. Affectionate to his brother and wife. A good DA wanting to go after the bad guys. The manifistation of his powers and the subsequent crash seemed to change that.

I think it is obvious that Sylar's power is to see how things work. His power isn't so much to fix things. Remember, he told that guy he had been working on that watch for a LONG time, if he could fix he could just do it. I think his power is to know how things work and how you would fix it (but he can't like Micah just touch it and it becomes fixed). Once he has the person's brain (he has to take it out to study it), he can then know what needs done to utilize that power, or re-map his own brain into that pattern.

I think this power also explains how he can "sense" the others out there like he said. He can't pinpoint them, he just knows they are there. So when he got close to the school, he knew the cheerleader was there, just can't tell exactly which one. This also explains how he knew that little girl was in custody and where to find her, she must have a power too.

On another note, not related to the characters, this is the only show I can ever remember that when it is over I am actually very upset because I don't want it to stop, I want another episode, I want to know. Pretty cool!

No, Sylar was knocked out by the girl. She told him he didn't want to do this, and he stopped. She then told him to sleep, and he started to. Haitian man just held him while he collapsed.

He didn't drop until Haitian man grabbed him from behind and put his hand on his forehead. Eve put him into submission, but Haitian actually knocked him out. (as he did to Matt).

On another note, not related to the characters, this is the only show I can ever remember that when it is over I am actually very upset because I don't want it to stop, I want another episode, I want to know. Pretty cool!


LOST was like that for me in Season One... Deadwood and 24 as well.

Now Heroes.

Yes but I think Nikki 'became' Jessica as a survival mechanism.

Unless Jessica transferred consciousness at death over to Nikki and they share the same body. Creepy.

If so, which power belonged to which? Was Jessica's gift the ability to shift consciousness and Nikki has the strength but is unaware of it?

EDIT: looks like someone beat me to the punch.

But if they are IDENTICAL twins, wouldn't their genetic makeup be the same?

Would they have the same power, i.e., super strength?

Could be that Jessica found out her power in a very bad time and the dad accidentally killed her. Nikki created the Jessica persona to deal with the death of her identical twin sister, Nikki hides the power with "Jessica."

No, Sylar was knocked out by the girl. She told him he didn't want to do this, and he stopped. She then told him to sleep, and he started to. Haitian man just held him while he collapsed.

It looks like the Hatian man was holding something between his hand and Sylar's mouth though to help 'knock' him out...the dude (IMO) wasn't just 'catching' him.

I am not yet convinced that Nikki and Jessica are 2 different people. If Nikki had a psychic break because of her father's behavior, part of the coping mechanism might have been to create the alternate personality of Jessica. Part of the healing process might have included "burying" Jessica so that Nikki could move forward with her life with her past now buried.

YMMV
There was definitely a real Jessica and a real Nikki and they were sisters. When the Jessica possessed Nikki goes to see the father in his motel room he mentions that she's not Jessica, she's Nikki. There was even discussion about the father abusing Jessica. It seems clear that Jessica was an abused twin sister of Nikki's that died, probably directly due to something the father did as archiguy previously noted. If Jessica were a alternate personality created by Nikki to try and "forget" the abuse by the father, it would seem quite a stretch that Nikki's husband and even the father would acknowledge Jessica's existence, especially to the point that there is an actual gravesite.

Random stuff...

Nikki/Jessica... According to the tombstone, Jessica died at the age of 11 or so. I don't think the show is yet clear whether they were twins or not. It is possible that Nikki's abuse started after Jessica's death and Nikki assumed an alternate personality (of Jessica) to cope with the abuse.

Sylar (Gregory Grey)... I think one of his original ability is to be able to figure out defects or how things (should) work. He said to his first victim that he was "broken". The dialog with Papa Suresh was clear that their super powers originate from the brain. I think he is taking out the brains of his victims to study them, not necessarily to eat them (but still possible). I suspect he is able to apply how the super powers work to himself after studying them. I think Sylar clearly has the desire to be "special", so he could be going after other "special" people to truly become unique (and to get more powers).

Papa Suresh and his daughter... Papa Suresh briefly mentioned that these genetic mutations are usually defects. I am assuming that his daughter had some powers, but it is also what killed her. In the same vain, I think Charlie's aneurysm could be a side affect of her power.

Hiro/Ando/Charlie... Hiro seems to think that there is a limit to his ability, which could be true or not (he may not have fully realized his power). I don't know why Hiro had to "jump" (to a time much closer to the current timeline since someone said "you and Ando are supposed to be on a vacation") right when they were about to kiss. Maybe, Charlie's aneurysm got worse after Hiro's sudden disappearance and that her die early. As for Ando and his knowledge, I think this is an inherent problem in any time travel stories.

One funny thought that I had during the thousand paper crane scene... The only way Hiro can do that was to stop the time, make thousand paper cranes himself (how long would that take?), install all of them in the diner, and restart the time. Poor guy... What a man can't do for a woman he loves.

Peter/Nathan... Peter might have something more than borrowing the power. He might be somehow connected to Nathan since Peter was able to "see" the accident in his dream. This is not really Isaac's ability. It's more of a remote viewing. Not sure if they are going to go anywhere with this. Also, I somehow suspect that Papa Petrelli's death could have been caused by Linderman, relating to DA's investigation.

Mr. Bennet/Haitian/Eden... Still not clear how Mr. Bennet can be immune to Eden. The camera work seems to suggest that Haitian had something to do with it, but still not clear. Maybe Mr. Bennet does have some power since Haitian seems to be obbeying Mr. Bennet.

Hong.

Other than removing the top of the skull, has there ever been any evidence that Sylar actually eats brains?

- Tom

If he (Haitian mind control dude) can take control of someone's mind, he can block, erase, kill, whatever to the person. It's not that his power is blocking other powers per se, but he certainly seems to be able to do stuff to people, like make them stop whatever they are doing. He appeared to be working hard to counteract the suggestion power to help his boss in that one scene last night. My assumption was he was working on HRG's mind to keep it working properly in that case. And last week, the sleep (on Sylar) come from a suggestion from Eden, not any action by the Haitian.

And why does he have to be a converted bad guy? Perhaps HRG did something for him, saved his life, simply hired him, convinced him to help people, whatever.

He didn't drop until Haitian man grabbed him from behind and put his hand on his forehead. Eve put him into submission, but Haitian actually knocked him out. (as he did to Matt).
Either way. He nodded to her acknowledging her work, suggesting it was all her. I think sleep just takes a few seconds, unlike a bullet or other incapacitations. I did like the way he unceremoniously let Sylar fall to the ground. :)

Wasn't there something that suggested Simone's father had been dreaming about events in the present/future? Something about Peter flying? Could it be that he was the one seeing the world through dreams, and that Peter inadvertently used him as a mimic source first?

It is difficult to tell whether he had already started working with Simone's dad 6 months ago though. Was the party for his graduation, or for landing a job?

Wasn't there something that suggested Simone's father had been dreaming about events in the present/future? Something about Peter flying? Could it be that he was the one seeing the world through dreams, and that Peter inadvertently used him as a mimic source first?

It is difficult to tell whether he had already started working with Simone's dad 6 months ago though. Was the party for his graduation, or for landing a job?
The party was for his graduation, Peter said he was going into Home care and Nathan bought him white womens shoes as a graduation present, but you do make a good point I like where you are going. However Peter wasn't near Simone's father when he had the dream about the accident. He was home and in bed. I don't think the father had anything to do with Peters

Other than removing the top of the skull, has there ever been any evidence that Sylar actually eats brains?

- Tom

It's an assumption to be sure...but how else does he permanently absorb other Heroes' powers?

Other than removing the top of the skull, has there ever been any evidence that Sylar actually eats brains?

- Tom
We are all assuming, there hasn't been any proof as of yet! Gobble gobble, mmmmmm me like brain, brain good!!!

But judging by the blood factor with have seen so far. This show might have been rated R if it was a movie. We all want it to be something cool like hime eating them.

Sylar (Gregory Grey)... I think one of his original ability is to be able to figure out defects or how things (should) work. He said to his first victim that he was "broken". The dialog with Papa Suresh was clear that their super powers originate from the brain. I think he is taking out the brains of his victims to study them, not necessarily to eat them (but still possible). I suspect he is able to apply how the super powers work to himself after studying them. I think Sylar clearly has the desire to be "special", so he could be going after other "special" people to truly become unique (and to get more powers).



Hong.

Agreed, and I'll even go so far as to say that he is definitely NOT eating brains.

He didn't drop until Haitian man grabbed him from behind and put his hand on his forehead. Eve put him into submission, but Haitian actually knocked him out. (as he did to Matt).

Hmmm, I think there was a white cloth on his hand when he grabbed Sylar. From what I can recall, Sylar was stumbling when the girl said to go to sleep.

It's an assumption to be sure...but how else does he permanently absorb other Heroes' powers?

I think he can look at something or just hear it and knows what is wrong with it, like he did with that watch. I think he looks at the brains and knows what is wrong, meaning, they are different then everyone else so he sees that and knows what makes this brain different. I don't think he eats them, just studies them.

LOST was like that for me in Season One... Deadwood and 24 as well.

Now Heroes.

Oh man, Deadwood was awesome, can't wait for the movies coming soon. 24 was almost like that for me too, especially two seasons ago when Jack shot that guy in the leg and cut his head off just so he had something to infiltrate that gang. Man, that was intense.

Oh man, Deadwood was awesome, can't wait for the movies coming soon. 24 was almost like that for me too, especially two seasons ago when Jack shot that guy in the leg and cut his head off just so he had something to infiltrate that gang. Man, that was intense.


"I NEED A HACKSAW!"

The frozen victims had their brains removed, nowhere to be found (IIRC). Thus implying something more then just 'having a look at'

noob alert: what's HRG?

noob alert: what's HRG?

Horn Rimmed Glasses (Claire's Dad)

One thing that has bothered me--How did Papa Suresh make his list? Especially if these people are only beginning to realize their powers, how did he know they were ones to be targeted?

One thing that has bothered me--How did Papa Suresh make his list? Especially if these people are only beginning to realize their powers, how did he know they were ones to be targeted?

When young Mohinder came into his father's office after reading a draft of his book, he said that they could use the Human Genome Project to find them.

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/project/about.shtml

Now, how that equates to names and locations I have no idea :-)

And he didn't know at first that they would be targeted. He inadvertently set Sylar upon his quest. Sylar used Suresh's research to find other Heroes.

From eonline....there are some spoilers in Kristin's section...I'm pasting the recap only here:

Heroes Recap: "Chapter 10: Six Months Ago"
by Dr. Anna Graham

Sorry for the length, team, but it's flashback week, so there's lots of interesting backstory to cover here.

Hiro jumps back in time to save cute Charlie. He romances her, as only Hiro can—well, as only Michael Scofield and Hiro can (paper-crane mash notes for everybody!)—and they fall in love. He's about to carry her off to Japan, away from the threat of Sylar, when she reveals she has a blood clot in her brain. She's due for a deadly aneurysm any minute now. They're about to kiss when Hiro inadvertently flashes away to Tokyo, and he realizes he can't change the past. Well, sure he can, but hopelessness and lamentations seem to be the point of it all.

Dr. Niki Jekyll is a good-natured, one-year-sober, nickel-and-dimed-in-America sweetheart. Ms. Jessica Hyde is a murdered 11-year-old girl who takes over her surviving twin sister's mind to help Niki survive childhood abuse and/or unravel any other little snafus that knot up her life. Micah's power is that of every modern kid: a seemingly supernatural ability to understand and manipulate technology. (He's a hacker/phreaker/engineer-to-be. Whee!) D.L. is kind of helpless in the face of Niki's issues, but we knew that already.

Linderman is a Mob boss. Daddy Petrelli is his lawyer. District attorney Nathan is asked to prosecute Linderman. (Completely unbelievable conflict-of-interest-much?!) The boys decide not to betray bad old dad, but no matter. Linderman goes after Nathan and Mrs. Nathan anyway. They're on the way home from a party celebrating Peter's graduation from nursing school when a black SUV roars up behind them. In the middle of a speech about how it's his willingness to protect his family that separates him from the lesser invertebrates—like his brother, Peter—Nathan literally flies away from the oncoming danger that's about to snap his wife in half. It's awesome.

Claire-bear gets in a tug-of-war with Jackie and accidentally puts her hand through a glass-pane cabinet. The cut is so bad it needs stitches. Chandra calls Mr. Bennett and tells him his daughter is special. When Mr. Bennett returns from his fact-finding mission to New York, the cut is completely healed, giving him a little clue as to the nature of his baby girl's special power.

Eden, in a Jackie O 'do, drives a Ferrari faster than the speed limit and gets pulled over by Parkman. She persuades him to go eat some doughnuts instead of citing her, and he ends up hanging out in his squad car until minutes before the detective test. He flunks, due to distraction and dyslexia.

Mindfreak helps Bennett capture Eden, and Mindfreak somehow manages to strip Eden of her powers, at least in regard to Bennett and Mindfreak. Mr. Bennett reveals that Eden has a loooong rap sheet (she invented her own morality, he says), and he wants her to redeem herself by helping him. His most immediate goal is persuading Chandra Suresh to remove Claire from his superpower spreadsheet.

Enter Gabriel, whose nifty but anachronistic day job as a watchmaker treads into the territory of creation-by-omnipotent-deity versus evolution. (Dun-dun-dun!) Chandra Suresh identifies him as a possible super, but repeated testing reveals no powers.

Gabriel does, however, have some rage issues, which lead to eyebrow-raised disapproval/dismissal/rejection by Chandra. On his way out the door, Gabriel grabs a sticky note with the name of one Brian Davis, who turns out to the guy who plays David the Junior Coroner on CSI. Brian has the power of telekinesis, much to his own dismay. Gabriel, who uses Keyser Soze's old move creating monikers from the brand name of a nearby object, starts calling himself Sylar and under this alias offers Brian "the cure," which turns out to be massive head trauma.

Gabriel Sylar, you see, apparently graduated from the Death Eaters Medical Academy of Grenada. He knows the mystery of life is in the brain, but he's not so much with the fine motor skills that most good doctors Shephard/Shepherd (Jack or Derek—take your pick) would employ to remove the invasive power, so he just opens up the skull and pokes around with a fork until he finds something yummy. Mmmm...delicious brains. (Let us call him McZombie)

Next week on Heroes: Claire-bear makes moon-calf eyes at Peter.

The frozen victims had their brains removed, nowhere to be found (IIRC). Thus implying something more then just 'having a look at'

Unless Sylar has a brain room where he keeps them for further study. Perhaps he initially just removes the brain, takes it back to the shop and then studies it at his leisure, perhaps while eating some fava beans and sipping a nice chianti.

Once he knows the source of the power, he can then adjust himself accordingly.

"Whose brain is this?"
"Abby somebody"
"Abby Normal?"

...sorry, mild Young Frankenstein detour.

I think this power also explains how he can "sense" the others out there like he said. He can't pinpoint them, he just knows they are there. So when he got close to the school, he knew the cheerleader was there, just can't tell exactly which one. This also explains how he knew that little girl was in custody and where to find her, she must have a power too.Sylar is a liar; he couldn't sense anything. His statement wasn't even convincing. That's just a line-of-crap he fed Suresh in order to locate & gain the abilities of the other mutants. If it were truly the case, he should have sensed & killed Hiro before he could foil his plans for Charlie.

Sylar is a liar; he couldn't sense anything. His statement wasn't even convincing. That's just a line-of-crap he fed Suresh in order to locate & gain the abilities of the other mutants. If it were truly the case, he should have sensed & killed Hiro before he could foil his plans for Charlie.

I know...if you can't trust a psychotic mutant serial killer, who CAN you trust? :-)

So now we know how gabe started out it is a bit funny that he won't even fix his own watch (with the busted crystal)! Damn I hate people like that!

Other than removing the top of the skull, has there ever been any evidence that Sylar actually eats brains?

- Tom
I'll bet he's after one or both of these portions of the brain. I've read books and seen a few films that seem to focus on these areas as having great significance in controlling the rest of the brain and body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamus
Hypothalamus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituitary_gland
Pituitary gland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One thing that has bothered me--How did Papa Suresh make his list? Especially if these people are only beginning to realize their powers, how did he know they were ones to be targeted?
Probably by amassing huge amounts of genetic data from people all over the world and seeing the traits and how they might interact to produce a result that will cause an evolution in the species. There are programs in Europe where vast amounts of genetic data is studied and some of the results are apparently astounding, they can trace lineage back to Genghis Khan for example. Supposedly the man is the most prolific father in world history, siring over 1000 children, something like that anyways.

Nathan - I can see why now he views his power as more of a curse and wants to surpress it. It manifisted itself at an inopportune time, pulling him out of the car. I'm pretty sure he feels guilty for allowing the car to crash and paralyze his wife. He seemed a little more "family oriented" before the crash. Affectionate to his brother and wife. A good DA wanting to go after the bad guys. The manifistation of his powers and the subsequent crash seemed to change that.

Yeah. So guilty that he's sleeping with sexy blonds in Las Vegas 5 months later.

Ok, back to a question asked a page or two back -- Who Dies?

If they are going for minimal impact Jessica will take our her/Niki's husband. If not the only ones who APPEAR to be safe are Hiro, Peter, and Clare.

i vote peter's bro... that wuss/weasel...

who need flight anyways... lol...

Ok, back to a question asked a page or two back -- Who Dies?



Jessica

Jessica
Simpson? :D


And since its on NBC, we can watch it in 1080i!

I don't know what that means, but I totally want it!

I wish she would die.

Simpson? :D


And since its on NBC, we can watch it in 1080i!

I don't know what that means, but I totally want it!
As long as there's not a snowstorm, or even a light rain in New York City, and/or they don't foul up the audio streams...

i vote peter's bro... that wuss/weasel...

who need flight anyways... lol...
Scummy politicians getting killed! Doesn't get any better than that.

Jessica

I hope she does....by far my least favorite character on the show.

A character is definitely getting killed off, and it is a main character, and they say you will be shocked who it is, the reason is that the actor/actress stalled in contract negotiations and didn't finish them so they are killing him/her off. The big news is that they are going to kill off another hero soon, and ANOTHER after that, so that makes three, in the next few episodes. One of the heroes getting killed actually sacrifices themselves somehow, not much detail on that.

Man I love this show.

I think whoever gets killed is going to be from the Niki/Jessica/DL/Micah group. But Ali Lartner is the main eye-candy (good for ratings), so she's probably safe. Or maybe Hiro's "sidekick" Ando. The other heroes, maybe with the exception of Isaac, are all too integrated into the story. They could kill off Simone, too, and nobody would much care. On the other hand, the most "famous" actor on the show is Adrian Pasdar who plays Nathan. Only he (and I'm putting this in spoilers because it refers to William's spoiler above).....

....is a well-known enough actor to actually be difficult in contract negotiations (he presumably has other options - the others, not so much). That said, if they kill him off, what happens to the super-power of flight?

From the look of Chandra's list, there are plenty of other mutants out there they can bring in to replace anybody they kill off.

Sylar is a liar; he couldn't sense anything. His statement wasn't even convincing. That's just a line-of-crap he fed Suresh in order to locate & gain the abilities of the other mutants. If it were truly the case, he should have sensed & killed Hiro before he could foil his plans for Charlie.
I do believe Sylar now has the power to sense people using their powers In the diner Charlie was constantly using her powers that is why he was able to sense her and not Hiro. Remember he could have killed Hiro first because he was in the bathroom at the same time she went in the back storage area.
If you don't like that theroy there is one more, Slyar already had her targeted because he did have one of the maps connecting the HERO's. He problem has figured out Hiro on his map

Same with Lost - I hate when they promise "someone will die". Just do it. Most non-fans aren't going to tune in just to see some character they aren't familiar with bite the big one.

Ok, back to a question asked a page or two back -- Who Dies?

If they are going for minimal impact Jessica will take our her/Niki's husband. If not the only ones who APPEAR to be safe are Hiro, Peter, and Clare.

Kristin on eonline drops some hints in her recap...and if it is who I think it is then it's not good. I could be wrong however.

I think whoever gets killed is going to be from the Niki/Jessica/DL/Micah group. But Ali Lartner is the main eye-candy (good for ratings), so she's probably safe. Or maybe Hiro's "sidekick" Ando. The other heroes, maybe with the exception of Isaac, are all too integrated into the story. They could kill off Simone, too, and nobody would much care. On the other hand, the most "famous" actor on the show is Adrian Pasdar who plays Nathan. Only he (and I'm putting this in spoilers because it refers to William's spoiler above).....

....is a well-known enough actor to actually be difficult in contract negotiations (he presumably has other options - the others, not so much). That said, if they kill him off, what happens to the super-power of flight?

From the look of Chandra's list, there are plenty of other mutants out there they can bring in to replace anybody they kill off.

Perhaps Peter is able to absord his power if he's present at his death? I'm hoping it's Nathan and not Peter....

So now we know how gabe started out it is a bit funny that he won't even fix his own watch (with the busted crystal)! Damn I hate people like that!

You know the saying - shoemakers have the worst shoes!

Why you got to take the brother out. :) You could actually take out the girl who has the power of suggestion or the other guy that's working with the cheerleader's dad. Both of them could be snuffed and I wouldn't miss them nor would their demise be significantly detrimental to the storyline.

Ok, back to a question asked a page or two back -- Who Dies?

If they are going for minimal impact Jessica will take our her/Niki's husband. If not the only ones who APPEAR to be safe are Hiro, Peter, and Clare.

From the look of Chandra's list, there are plenty of other mutants out there they can bring in to replace anybody they kill off.
Speaking of these other mutants, does anyone recall if the mutants that Sylar has been killing, the 5 or 6 before he got to the house where Matt found the little girl, have ever been identified, other than the one we found out about this week, his first kill? It probably doesn't matter in the overall storyline, but it could explain how Sylar does some of the things he does when killing.

Speaking of these other mutants, does anyone recall if the mutants that Sylar has been killing, the 5 or 6 before he got to the house where Matt found the little girl, have ever been identified, other than the one we found out about this week, his first kill? It probably doesn't matter in the overall storyline, but it could explain how Sylar does some of the things he does when killing.

Right. We'll just never know what powers the offed "redshirt" heroes had. But we can be reasonably sure that one of 'em had the power to instantly freeze stuff, like Superman's super breath.

Same with Lost - I hate when they promise "someone will die". Just do it. Most non-fans aren't going to tune in just to see some character they aren't familiar with bite the big one.

I agree. I don't see how that information will either cause someone to tune in or tune out. It just "spoils" things for the fans and deprives them of a startling moment, which most enjoy. :mad:

Does anyone consider reading the online Heroes comics as spoilers? Is it better to figure out what is going on by just watching the show, or getting hints/cheats from the comics?

The preview on-line of next weeks episode might reveal who is shot, it looks like...

That Simone (the african-american girl that was girlfriend of Isaac, and that Peter likes, is falling to the ground while someone is holding her, then they show someone's gun. Not sure why she would be falling to the ground, also, I don't see her as a "hero" but she is represented whenever they show the Hero cast lined up, so she must be a supporting hero or sidekick. I also don't find this surprising or shocking like they lead it up to be. Guess we will see.

Does anyone consider reading the online Heroes comics as spoilers? Is it better to figure out what is going on by just watching the show, or getting hints/cheats from the comics?

No, they are released for a reason and give backstory, not of things that haven't been shown yet. The things in the comics will never be revealed in a future episode so you are not learning anything that will be shown later, which is what a spoiler is.

Also, Hiro has a great blog that he writes things. Doesn't really reveal anything, but it is fun reading it. When he went back in time, his blog stopped for that day also, like he couldn't write it since he was no longer there. Pretty cool stuff, especially since Hiro is my favorite so far.

Any info that doesn't come from the show, or the previews immediately following the show, is considered a spoiler.

Don't know if it would be considered a spoiler but I want to work on the side of caution


How about this guys? All of us feel it might be someone else who dies. We all think that Jessica is going to miss Daddy might do some Heroish thing to not get shot. Micah and daddy drives off and she won't fire anymore because she has that high power rifle. But what if DL is the one that dies. Big surprises!! See a real "HERO" dies and we really don't expect it. That would really suuck! However, NBC's "one hero won't survive" promotion, is a hit because they got what they wanted. The have all you guys talking about it and wondering who it would be.

Speaking of these other mutants, does anyone recall if the mutants that Sylar has been killing, the 5 or 6 before he got to the house where Matt found the little girl, have ever been identified, other than the one we found out about this week, his first kill? It probably doesn't matter in the overall storyline, but it could explain how Sylar does some of the things he does when killing.

On Dr. Suresh's PC, the one with the huge list of names, there are a TON of names that show up in red and say 'deceased'.

Not all were killed by Sylar, but he's been at this for 6 months, so who knows how many he's gotten to?

I don't think it will be nathan -- remember hiro saw a newspaper in the future that showed nathan winning the election by a landslide. So unless they have already changed the future (which is possible I guess) it won't be him.

On Dr. Suresh's PC, the one with the huge list of names, there are a TON of names that show up in red and say 'deceased'.

Not all were killed by Sylar, but he's been at this for 6 months, so who knows how many he's gotten to?

I think part of it too is because some have defects with their power (i.e. the girl in the restaurant with Hiro had a tumor in her brain). So some get the powers but their body can't handle it, while some can.

One funny thing about the names on Papa Suresh's PC was that except for two (one being Hiro) all were from U.S. Maybe other countries don't collect DNAs in this universe...

Hong.

Just another reason why the U.S. is the greatest country in the world: more mutants! :D

One funny thing about the names on Papa Suresh's PC was that except for two (one being Hiro) all were from U.S. Maybe other countries don't collect DNAs in this universe...

Hong.

Americans are more evolved.

Example:

Being fat means they can survive longer in the case of a nuclear war or global warming related weather disaster (or during reality-show induced starvation challenges)

Watching gobs of teevee instead of going outside means they are less likely to die from a shark attack, car accident, or over-exertion

Overspending on luxury items means that even if they do die early, their quality of life is much better

Blind patriotism and general feelings of superiority over other nations builds self-esteem, which has positive impact on well-being and life expectency

Overspending on luxury items

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I do believe Sylar now has the power to sense people using their powers In the diner Charlie was constantly using her powers that is why he was able to sense her and not Hiro. Remember he could have killed Hiro first because he was in the bathroom at the same time she went in the back storage area.
If you don't like that theroy there is one more, Slyar already had her targeted because he did have one of the maps connecting the HERO's. He problem has figured out Hiro on his map

Hiro is supposed to be in Far East, not Texas. Would you go looking for him in a small town Texas diner?

Likewise, he didn't go for the kill for the second hero at the High School - again, as if he didn't realize it was someone with abnormal powers.

Was there anything to suggest he knew the were assembling in Texas?

It seems he was just on the Texas leg of the death by Sylar tour.

I don't think it will be nathan -- remember hiro saw a newspaper in the future that showed nathan winning the election by a landslide. So unless they have already changed the future (which is possible I guess) it won't be him.

I'll tell you one thing, contract dispute or not, if a certain cheerleader or a Star Trek loving oriental gentleman bites it, I suspect fan protest will kill this show faster than Sylar can eat brains.

I'll tell you one thing, contract dispute or not, if a certain cheerleader or a Star Trek loving oriental gentleman bites it, I suspect fan protest will kill this show faster than Sylar can eat brains.

or Peter, IMHO. Hope he's not the one with the contract dispute.

maybe they could have a character swap with lost! everytime a character gets killed off on one show, they show up on the other one. that way we'd get to keep seeing our favorites no matter what.

If Hiro dies, I hope it's because he accidentally teleports to outer space. That last "oh sh*t" look on his face would be priceless. :)

I don't think it will be nathan -- remember hiro saw a newspaper in the future that showed nathan winning the election by a landslide. So unless they have already changed the future (which is possible I guess) it won't be him.

Unless he mistranslated it "Nathan wins" instead of "Nathan dies"
;-)